FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Les Velez

Tonight, author and researcher Les Velez joins us to talk about Alien Abductions and his work with the group OPUS for experiencers.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:28):
This Hope Radio for the Masses headline of US. July eighth,
nineteen forty seven. The Army Air Force has announced that
applying this help be found and there's now in the
possession of the ARBA.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
The game we'd changed the game change.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this work.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
This is Day to Black.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
It's your host, Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
All Right, good evening, how you doing. How you doing?
It's Fade to Black. Yeah, it is Monday, October twentieth,
twenty twenty five. Let's do this man. Yeah, I'm your
Stummi Church. Kicking off another week here on Fade to Black. Tonight,
Let's Villez is back with us talking about et abduction.

(01:31):
Tonight we're gonna be talking about UFOs all night long.
Very excited about this. Some three i atlasts for sure.
And tomorrow night Trey Hudson is back. He's got a
new documentary out. It's called Helm and Lens and The
Metal Project. Also that documentary all of this is launching
tomorrow night. Trey Hudson joins us Wednesday night, John Caruth

(01:55):
is here. What is a poltergeist? Just in time for Halloween?
What else is just in time for Halloween? Thursday? Yeah,
we're off air because I am going to a Halloween
party with some friends. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of let

(02:16):
the cat out of the back tonight. Dead Elvis. I'm
gonna do Dead Elvis, which means I have to shave
my go tea that Elvis didn't have a go tea.
I don't know if you guys know this, but I'm
gonna do Dead Elvis. Yeah, I'm gonna do Dead Elvis. Yeah.
I got a couple of friends coming over to help
me with my makeup. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

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So that is going down Thursday. Yeah, we'll post pictures. Yeah,
it's my favorite time of the year. I really enjoyed
this time of the year. From my birthday last week
and then that rolls into Halloween, which rolls into Thanksgiving,
and then of course Christmas and then New Year's. Man,
it's just a great couple of months right there for

(02:59):
me personally. There you go last night, well I woke
up this morning. Well, probably like some of you, I
would say most of you, I just don't know where
all of you live all right. But woke up this
morning and saw the headlines major worldwide Internet outage. I

(03:20):
was like, oh, holy crap, what And I thought, well,
it's not that worldwide because I'm reading about it on
my iPhone. I apparently slept through the Great Internet Outage
of twenty twenty five, and wasn't that interesting the panic,
Because the panic is real. Anything goes on with the Internet,

(03:42):
everything is. Everything is connected these days. Traffic lights, your
food distribution, your wallet, your banking. Yeah, of course, you
know social media. That's a small part of it. Everything
else on this planet is Internet now. And what would
happen if it all just went away? Dark Ages? Yeah,

(04:08):
Dark Ages. I have seven events coming up in twenty
twenty six, in combination with everything else that I do,
which is of course Shooting Beyond Believe and this show
Fade to Black. In addition to all of that coming
up in twenty twenty six, the Conscious Life Expo that

(04:28):
is February twentieth through the twenty third right here in
Los Angeles at the lax Hilton. Right after that is
the Sedona Ascension Retreat March twentieth through the twenty second
in Sedona, Arizona. After that the Contact Modalities Expo May
first through the third and Delavan, Wisconsin at Delavan Lake.

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And then it's Contact in the Desert May twenty eight
through June first, twenty twenty six. Tickets on sale coming
up this Thanksgiving Day. After that, I go to Peru
with Brian Forster for the INCA Celebration of the Sun.
That is a huge event and it's absolutely amazing. That
is June twenty third through July first, twenty twenty six.

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After that, I go over to the United Kingdom for
the Monty Python Tour of Scotland that is August first
through the ninth, twenty twenty six. I come back from that,
go back to Peru with Brian Forrester, this time to
Easter Island.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, very busy twenty twenty six. Yeah, yep, yep. So
when I post those pictures on social media, let's we'll
appreciate that I work. I work seven days a week.
I get very very few days off, and my days
off now are precious to me. Right riding my Harley,

(05:48):
spending time alone. I love hanging out with people, but
I do it so much that actually just not being
around people that is what is precious. So when you
see me post pictures going Okay, I'm doing it, think
about that I've got a couple hours off somewhere and

(06:08):
I just get to go and do something because everything
else is just a service to the community out there
getting stuff done all year long, and I couldn't do
it without all of you. It's it's just it's my
life mission, it is my bliss, just like Less Bellez Less.
I'm not exactly sure when Lesson I first met, I

(06:33):
do remember, I do remember this. I'm gonna have to
ask Less. He pulled up, Man, where were we? He
pulled up and like my memory, I don't want to
embarrass him. Maybe I'm not. He pulled up in like
a new Cadillac, right. He pulls up, Man, and it

(06:54):
was just glowing. He's glowing, gets out and he's like
Jimmy Less all right, cool. And that was the first
time that I've met Less. I have followed him because
he lives here in California, of course, and he's always
been a member of Moufon and of course he created OPUS,
the Organization for Paranormal Understanding and Support. The other things

(07:18):
around us is he's a graduate of the University of
Vermont Bachelor of Science degree in Business administration. After that
he went to the US Army and got into the
civilian life and worked for an engineering firm. But then
he joined moufon in nineteen ninety one. He did everything
field investigator, training coordinator, assistant state director in Northern California,

(07:43):
which is when I met him. Chairman of the AEERC,
the Abduction Experience or Research Committee, and the team leader
of ART, the Abduction Response Team. So we're going to
be talking about all of that tonight and much more.
I would like to welcome back to Fate to Black,
the one and only spell as Less is right there, Less,
Good evening.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Age, Jimmy, how are you birthday?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah? Thank you, thank you, thank you. Brother. We're the
same age, so happy birthday to you Less. Do you
remember do I have that right? Was it like a Cadillac?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Well, and I still have that same Cadillac, So it's
like eleven years old.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Now, so it was brand new when I first met it.
It looked new. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, yeah, it was in Sacramento. We met in Sacramento.
You were you were doing some gig there and I
was there, and uh yeah, I definitely remember that, and
then you had a little uh soiree up in your suite.
I remember, and uh we went up there and had
a really nice time chatting with people who had a

(08:48):
great time.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I remember all of that. We had such a
good time, and I remember Richard Dolan was there. Yeah.
Uh you And it's all a fog now think about
things like that. But that that moment that you pulled
up in the Cadillac. I never forgot that. Man. It's

(09:10):
just weird. You know, the rest of the conference I
don't remember, but I remember less in the Cadillac, remember
less in the Catalac. Welcome back, my friend. It's good
to see you. It's good to see you, to see you. Now.
I want to jump into this because there's a lot
of different things to talk about tonight. I do want
to talk about opus and abductions, and we'll spend the

(09:31):
majority of the show on that. But right now, we've
got something cruising through our solar system. You know, it's
called three I Atlas. It's got a lot of attention.
It's behaving very strange. I've got my own opinions. What
are yours? What do you think is going on with
three IE Atlas?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, I think. I think what we're dealing with is
basically an aberration to a normal comment. And I'm not
really of the camp that believes that this is some
alien object that's coming into our solar system. I believe
it's probably some weird natural phenomena that that's happening. Now.

(10:14):
The latest thing that I've heard, and I don't know
if you've read much about this part of it, but
supposedly a beam of light has been shown our way
in some way, shape or form, which I'm not sure about.
I have not heard other than other than that fact alone,
as to what it could possibly be. But I'm just

(10:38):
thinking that it's it's more of a natural phenomena than
a something that's extraterrestrial in nature.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Okay, I'm not into debating, but I'll argue with a friend. Okay, Okay,
So this is this is this is where I'm kind
of tripping out a little bit less right now as
you and I are talking, I mean right in the now.

(11:09):
Now we have not one but two comments up that
we can look at and observe two at the same time,
and then we have this third object three I Atlas.
So now we've got three in our sky at the
same time. And I don't know if any time in

(11:29):
history anything like this has ever happened before. If three
Eye at Liss turns out to be a comment, then
we've got three comets at the same time. That's crazy.
But we have two comments up there that we know
are comments, and we can compare those two to three
Eye at Lias and they're not the same. That's right.

(11:53):
Just back up and go. You know, something is strange here,
and it just maybe I'm okay with this. Three I
at lists maybe an et probe that's out checking out
the Milky Way and it cruised through our star system.
And that's that's kind of where I'm feeling right now.

(12:16):
Only you know why, because we have two other comments
that we can look at. I went outside right before
the show, right after our soundcheck. Right I'm outside, and
I looked at the comment that's right below. It's Swan,
the one that's right below the big Dipper, and you
can see it naked eye. You look right at it,
and I took a picture of it, you know what,

(12:38):
So check this out. I took this picture. I wasn't
planning on showing this on the show, but so I
took this picture and you this how do I say
this with with a cell phone you can see it perfectly,

(13:02):
but oh no, you can't see it.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Crap.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Well it's right there, it's right there, and you can
see the green tail coming below it, or it's above it,
and that's a comet and you can see it with
your naked eye. Three I atlas. Everything that we know
about comments three eyes doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's different. And one of the things
that I don't know if you saw this thing about
this remote viewer guy, it was talking about the fact
that this is an object that's alien controlled and that
they're coming here to pick up the star seeds.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Okay, so right, right, right, right right. I don't jump
in the deep end of that pool, you know. Plus
we have back with comet hail Bop and and everything
that happened with that. You know what, I'm just not
going to go there. And I love it. I love

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the wu I love the Do you know how many
remote viewers have emailed me about what they've read about
the comment and what they found out.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I've got it, yeah, you know, I've.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Got twenty five emails, twenty five different versions to the story.
You know, I've got radio communications and things that are
going back and forth. All right, all right, all right, yeah,
anything is possible. See, that's the other thing. Last you
and I have been at this for a long time.
One thing that you and I have learned. Anything is possible.

(14:38):
I don't dismiss anybody's experiences. I just I don't. I've
seen too much weird stuff myself, and I hear it
come out of my mouth this crazy, and I'm like, what,
I got to stop saying that, because I know how
crazy it sounds. I do, But I just want the
same respect out of everybody else that I give them.

(15:00):
I listen to everything. I really can't dismiss anything because
I've experienced too much strangeness, haven't you.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Oh? Absolutely? You know. It's like you said, I mean,
we've experienced so much in the last couple of years,
especially with the congressional hearings that have been going on,
that you know, like, oh, that is this an alien
craft that has come through our solar system from another
galaxy now to this one the AI Atlas situation. Anything

(15:36):
is possible? Is it probable that this is an alien craft?
I tend to lean like, okay, it's maybe forty nine
percent maybe or less than that, even that it is
some kind of alien craft, but it's unusual, there's no
question about it where it's come from. And so you know,

(15:56):
right away we start to imagine certain things and conjecture
certain things that are possibilities in all of this, and
so I'm open to it. I'm open to it. I mean,
if they all of a sudden stop that damn thing
right outside our atmosphere, that's a whole nother another ballgame.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, we uh tomorrow and forward right three, I Atlas
is going to be out from behind the sun and
we will be able to point everything at it and
see what will be interesting. Here's the difference. What will
be interesting is will will they share what they find? Right?

(16:40):
Will they share what? If it is et? Are they
going to share that? But here's the other. This is
the problem. The government's not in the control of this
narrative like they used to be. There are too many
amateur astronomers with amazing telescopes and videok abilities that we'll

(17:01):
be tracking this too as well, So you can't you
can't make stuff up. There's too many people that are
going to be looking at this and just like last
week on the fifteenth, we had a fifty sixty foot
asteroid come within sixty thousand miles of Earth on the fifteenth.

(17:22):
That's pretty close, right, considering the Moon is two hundred
and fifty thousand miles away, so it was, you know,
very close twenty five percent of the distance front to
the Moon and it's fifty It was discovered two days
before by amateur astronomers, right, And that's they're always looking
to the sky. They're looking at all the time, and

(17:47):
that's the one thing that the government is not in
control of, but's like.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, I mean it's it's like these Ham radio operators
that listen in on what NASA is talking to the
to the uh, the astronauts on the Moon and all
of that. I mean, we've we've gotten some really interesting
information that way. So yes, it will be interesting to
see what comes forward now with this object coming closer

(18:17):
and closer to us.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, yeah, don't forget. We just had the rapture last month,
and you and I still are still here, So yes,
we are. We missed the rapture. You and I are.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, or bad very bad.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Bad seeds, bad seeds, and so having this come through.
My question is the same that I think is on
everybody else's mind. If it turns out to be extraterrestrial,
some kind of interstellar probe just sent here to check
things out, can the world handle it? And my aunt, yes,

(19:00):
what is yours? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
I think that probably seventy to eighty percent of the
people on this planet will be able to handle it,
but the rest will have a difficult time with it.
Whether you're a devout Christian or Christian nationalist or what
have you, I think those groups might have a really

(19:23):
difficult time in handling all of this. I don't want
to get into politics, but the bottom line is that
I think the majority of the people and I agree
with you, that we'll be able to handle this. And
we've been talking about this for years and years, that
we're not alone in this universe, and so now all
of a sudden, if this actually comes to fruition that

(19:44):
we have definitive proof that we're not alone, it's like
this conscious dissonance that we all have dealt with for
years and years will vanish, will disappear, because there no
choice in the matter. It's like they are here, we

(20:05):
know about them, and they are not here in a
majority of cases, and I'm not saying all the cases,
but in a majority of the cases, they're pretty benevolent.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, I would say that that's the case. I mean,
if they weren't, you and I wouldn't be talking right now.
And I know that that's that's been something that's been
repeated for a long time, but you know, it's something
new that kind of thought. But I tend to agree
with that side. Here's the other thing. What if it

(20:38):
is an ET probe and it doesn't stop and it
keeps on going. And I guess my answer to that
would be, well, they took a look and they saw Earth,
and they went yep, trailer park. You know, they've still
got The smartest person on the planet is Neil de
grasse Tyson. They're not ready, They're not ready. They're not ready.

(21:01):
Let's just keep going. We'll be back in one hundred years.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Time is not right, not.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Quite right. So I mean, I going we'll jump into
the abduction phenomenon here in a second. But one of
the things that you have heard, we have all have
heard over the years, is this constant regurgitating of this

(21:31):
mantra that Earth is not ready. And then on the
flip side of that, the contactes and others are looking
for somebody to come and save us, to give us
the secrets of everything. And I just don't think that's
how it's supposed to play out. Waiting for somebody to

(21:54):
come and save this planet, or them saying that we
are not ready, that we need to think about cleaning
up the planet and the animals and pollution and nuclear
this and that. I think those are all trivial matters
to e T. I don't think that that would be
a reason for not contacting us. I think it would
be more of a consciousness evolution thing that we haven't

(22:15):
done yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I have to disagree with you a little bit there, Jimmy,
because of the number of people that my organization and
me personally have dealt with that these these people that
have been abducted, okay, almost without exception, come back with
a totally different worldview that is very positive. That we

(22:40):
do need to, as you mentioned, the better stewards of
the planet, to be better to one another, to be
more loving. These are all very positive.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I totally agree with you. I totally yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
And and and so I think that if if enough
people we reach a critical mass with regard to this
way of thinking that this place could be a lot better. That, yes,
we're fucking up the planet, excuse my French, when we're
doing a great job with that.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
That was a correct use of the word, by the way, oh.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Oh, thank you, And that if we continue to do this,
we're not going to have a planet that you and
I can live on, or our grandkids can live on,
or anybody can live on. And we need to take
drastic action very very soon because of what's going on.
I mean, you know, we got the Gulf Stream that's

(23:40):
starting to slow down, and what are the ramifications of that.
I mean, there's so many ramifications as far as what
the global climate is doing. You know, whether the sea
levels are rising, which they are, there's no question about it.
I had a relative that was in the in the

(24:00):
Air Force, high up in the Air Force, and he
told me like ten years ago that yes, the sea
levels are going to rise by three meters that's nine feet.
Can you imagine some of these places are going to
be underwater? You know, New York City has got a
real big problem coming up if that or you know,

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raises that high. But I mean, the bottom line on
all of This is the fact that I think the
majority of the people that have had contact are coming
back with positive feelings about how we should move forward
in our lives and how we deal with the planet.
And I think that that's extremely important. Now, yes, there

(24:43):
are people that have had terrible situations experiences, but luckily
that's a small number of people, maybe twenty five to
thirty percent of the people that have had contact, But
the vast majority have been very positive.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
I've got a twisted mind, I will admit that. Okay,
So if you look inside my head, man, okay, but
here's my take on that. And this is where the
government has got it flipped over backwards. But maybe the
cabal and whoever's running this planet, maybe it's what they want.

(25:27):
But hear me out. If you tell us that we
are not alone in the universe and that we have
made contact, then the entire mindset of the planet changes,
and now we have a reason to be Earthlings and

(25:48):
take care of this place for our space brothers and sisters.
You want to clean up your apartment before your parents
come over, right, okay, and you want to take you
know what I mean? If you tell us that you
know we have a goal a reason for the future
and our children and our grandchildren, future generations. But if
you tell us that we are alone in the universe, bucket,

(26:11):
let's party. Let's burn this sucker down. There's no reason
for anything free, Heroine, you know what I mean. I'm
serious that the mindset of the planet would change for
the negative, and and it would be chaos. There wouldn't

(26:32):
be a Do you know how dark of a thought
that would be, that we are just alone in the blackness?

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Well, I think I think, you know, you bring up
an interesting point because I think that's what religion is
all about. I think this is like a control mechanism, okay,
And unfortunately religion has gone in directions that maybe are
not not as positive as it should be, you know.
And I think what we've lost with with our civilization

(27:01):
and spirituality and being and being open to being good
to one another and and and doing the right things
with each other.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Uh. And you're right again, Luss, you are so spot on.
I like the way you think. If if if if
if if if. If it's disclosed that we are alone
in the universe, then there is no religion. There is nothing,
There's absolutely nothing. We're in a two d chemical existence

(27:40):
where nothing matters consciousness, this everything, and that who fah,
you would have worldwide problems at that point. It's saying
that we're not alone in the universe changes everything. It's
one of the paramount you know, it's a non trivial question.

(28:00):
It's like the biggest question, it's the biggest one. Are
we alone? What is out there? We've been asking that
since the dawn of man.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, and you know, you talk about the Big Bang
and everything, and my big question is what the hell
was there before the Big Bang? And who was in control?
Who was in control of that? And I think this
is when we start to really wonder about the fact
that is there some mega intelligence that's running the show

(28:36):
that we just don't have an understanding. We're dealing with
a different reality. This reality that we're dealing with here,
as you say, two planes, you know, two dimensional kind
of a thing, but now there's a third dimension and
a fourth dimension and now multiple dimensions that we're dealing with.
And this is the kind of thing that it's hard

(28:57):
to get our minds wrapped around all of this. And
we're starting to you know, pick away at the edges
of this whole phenomena which is remarkable that's been with
us forever. I mean, this reality that we're dealing with
these entities, whether they're extraterrestrial in nature, whether they're time travelers,

(29:21):
whether they're interdimensional in nature, whether it's our military, or
is it all the above, or anything you could possibly
think of. I mean, it's incredible our ability.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
This is what I really enjoy. Well, hold on less
at any point in time. You can go back one
hundred years, right, you go back one hundred eighteen ninety.
There was a physicist, a scientist. I can't remember who
this is attributed to, but this was the famous quote
in eighteen ninety. We've learned everything. There's nothing left to know.

(30:03):
Right Well, you back that up twenty years you could
say this, and you look right now at twenty twenty five,
and we have learned a lot. And as Earthlings now
our ability to understand, which increases every day, We understand
more and more and we know things. Our ability to

(30:25):
now think about things like extra dimensions and interdimensional this
and that, and consciousness and the size of the universe.
These are things that weren't possible just fifty years ago,
you know, sixty years ago, seventy years ago, and today
the average person average on this planet, because of the

(30:47):
Marvel Universe, knows what the multiverse is right, understands the
basics of time travel, understands what quantum is and the
quantum worlds. And that's crazy that just like average people
can have these conversations that were just absolute science fiction

(31:08):
fifty years ago.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Oh absolutely, that timeframe fifty years how far we have come.
Right now? I work out three times a week and
when I got one of the machines, it's a Pelkorn machine,
and they have a section that you can tap into
called Science Tech, and some of the articles that are

(31:31):
in Science Tech are just blows your mind of talking
about quantum, talking about various other topics and how to
go into DNA and manipulate that and then cause certain
things to happen in a certain way that would cause
us to be less susceptible to certain diseases and things

(31:54):
of that nature. Science is progressing at a rapid pace
now with AI on top of all of that. I
tell you, Jimmy, within the next ten years, you're not
going to recognize anything anymore. It's going to be just
so different, so different, and hopefully hopefully you and I

(32:16):
will still be here to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
So last last week I had Lawrence Kraus on the show.
And Lawrence one of the big thinkers, you know, one
of those rock star physicists, and he's wrote some powerful
books and I've followed his career and he's influenced me
a lot. But here's the thing, and having somebody you

(32:40):
know of his, you know level, on the show, I
write a Harley you know, I'm not some PhD dude,
but I'm interested in the stuff and I am pretty smart,
and I have a logic side of my brain. And
there I caught Lawrence and I'm not busting his chops.

(33:01):
It's the intellectual community in general think this way that
they they want to compare and et advanced et civilization
to what we know now, and that doesn't work. Anything

(33:22):
that's out there that can visit this planet his way
beyond where you know a guy like Lawrence Cross who
understands physics and theoretical physics and crazy, he's very, very smart.
But where we are going to be in fifty years
or one hundred years, You're going to look back at

(33:44):
string theory or Brian Green or any of these intellectuals
that are running for Lawrence Cross today and look at
it as the stone ages where we are going to
be and so trying to figure out how et is
getting here, We're going to have a whole different outlook
on it in fifty years or one hundred years versus
the way we understand the laws of physics today. Right,

(34:06):
I'm not crazy thinking that I might.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Absolutely you're right on. I mean, I've always kind of
laughed at some of our physicists that said, well, that's impossible,
you can't do that bullshit exactly. I mean, it's like,
come on, open up your minds. You've got to be
able to think beyond what you know. You have to

(34:30):
understand the possibilities that exist, that there are physics that
we don't understand, and we're finding out more things every
day about the things that we don't understand. And I
think that the fact that these entities, whoever they might be,
are coming here in a way that we totally don't understand,

(34:51):
have no you know, no concept of even understanding it.
And so I think that we need to be more
open minded. Our scientific community needs to be more open minded.
And there is a there now it's starting to happen.
There are more and more people coming forward that are
opening up their minds to to try to understand this.

(35:15):
You know, you know Gary Nolan's group, the Sole Group,
you know that, you know, bringing those people together. I
mean that's fantastic. I mean absolutely fantastic. And and and
uh Robert Powell and his SCU group that's looking at
all these phenomena as well. I mean, it's it's it's

(35:37):
it's great. It's great that we're starting to open up
a little bit, opening up our Kimona if you will.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Yeah, you know, I asked Lawrence about that last week,
literally asked him that question. You know, what, what do
you think about the criticism that you know, science, the
science community doesn't have an open mind? He's bullshit? Well
got him more fully. Oh no, no, no, no, no no.

(36:04):
I was like, see that's the problem right there. Right then,
you've got the blinders on. You've got the blinders on.
This is my take, this is my I'm going to
give you my take. I want you to laugh. Okay,
but I think what I'm about to say I think
is fact. Okay, it's not imagination. Right now, on some

(36:28):
planet in the Milky Way, there's a husband and wife
watching TV. Right e t right kick him back, and
he turns to his wife and says, hey, you want
to go to Earth and get some in and out.
We can be back in a half an hour before
the kids get home from school. All right, let's go
and because it's easy, right, you know, you and I

(36:52):
can jump in your Cadillac and go to in and
out and be back before the show starts. Right. Why,
you know, one hundred years ago, one hundred and fifty
years ago, that would be some black magic voodoo shit
now nobody would even understand. But today it's just what

(37:14):
you do, and it's got to be the same thing
for et Well.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
You know, you know Arthur C. Clark, you know, famously
said that, you know, all of this looks like magic
to us, what the aliens can do, and it totally
is for us at this point in time, it's totally magic.
And so anything is possible, Absolutely anything is possible.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Let's let's talk about abductions for a second. I'm going
to start here. When okay, when you look at the
subject of abductions, something that I've researched for fifty years, right,
and you look at this, they are what we don't

(38:00):
hear about today is like the classic abduction, all right,
the classic, the classic thing, and we have you know,
going back to like George van Tassel, certainly Betty and
Barney Hill, or Travis Walton or Pasca Goula and everything else,
you know, where we can look at very specific cases

(38:25):
and the methodology to it, and it seems that pattern
has changed, or has it. And the other thing is
we certainly don't have a lack of people making contact today.
We hear about it, probably more so than ever. So
has have abductions changed over the years or do they

(38:48):
still occur in the classic sense and we just don't
hear about it.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
No, there is still occurring in the classic sense, very equly.
And the only reason why it seems like it's happening
more and more is the fact that we're able to
communicate the way we can communicate with our social media,

(39:13):
with the various groups that are out there now, there's
more and more groups that are paying attention to this
kind of thing besides opus, and so I think that
people are now, especially with the congressional hearings that are
going on, they're feeling a lot more comfortable and coming
forward and talking about their cases. These cases all start

(39:36):
off the same way. It is a mind blowing situation
for the person that has has contact like this, especially
in the first one or two instances, and it's it's terrifying.
It's terrifying. It's it's very negative to be pulled out
of your bedroom or out of your car, or wherever

(39:57):
you happen to be in your office, it can be
anywhere that these kind of things go on, and they
they do not understand what's going on. They have no
you know, they have no conception of the outcome that's
going to occur, and so it's it's it's a very

(40:21):
difficult time for these people. And so what we found,
and we've done a number of studies. The first one
was the Omega three study that we did was funded
by move On back in twenty oh seven, and we
found that these people did not have a psychopathology. They

(40:44):
were totally saying they came back with a change worldview.
These people that did have experiences, their temporal lobe activity
was quite different. And so we've been looking at that
kind of factor. But the bottom line is at as
these things continue to go, people begin to accept what's

(41:05):
going on. And they find that at a certain point
they don't want them to stop. They want to continue
because of the the the relationship that is developed with
these entities, uh, you know, whether they're extraterrestrial, whether they're
in a dimensional, whatever their energy beings or whatever they
may be, like in the case of Chris Bludsoe, you know,

(41:28):
and and the female entity Angel. So it is a
reality we just bill do not understand. Uh and and
and it's dramatic and how it affects people. Some people
have an extremely difficult time in trying to deal with

(41:48):
this kind of thing. And I mean it wrecks their lives.
They can't talk to their family members, they they have
issues at work, they're afraid to bring this up. And
so that's what Opus is about. We try to help
these kind of people.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Do you think that, Okay, here's so the classic story.
I'm gonna use metaphor. I'm just gonna make this up, right,
But Okay, So I was driving, I saw I saw
a light, pulled the car over, craft landed, three beings
came out and pulled me out of my car through

(42:24):
the windshield, right followed floated me across. I did my
feet didn't touch the ground. The next thing you know,
I'm on a metal table in a round, stainless steel
room and stuff started to go down. Okay, there's that,
which is a physical experience. Right then I have mine

(42:53):
and I was regressed. And during that regression, it was
revealed to me that I went on a ship for
five seconds and saw it and observed it, and then
I was back on the ground. Vivid, right, vivid. And
it's now that memories unlocked in my head. It's crazy

(43:17):
to me now I didn't know about it before. Did
did that experience happen as a physical experience for me
and I didn't remember it? Or or less? Was it

(43:39):
an inter dimensional experience that is just as real as
anything else, like a d MT trip or whatever? Right
going to another dimension? Was it? Yeah? Was it that?
I don't know. I don't know, But to me, it
seems that et any advanced race less would understand extra

(44:04):
dimensions and may exist in another time scale that's beyond
our own that we don't even see or experience unless
we are in that dimension. And that may be a
large part. This is why I say that back before
World War Two, radar was a different situation, and we

(44:30):
didn't have, you know, that was emerging technology. We didn't
have satellites, we didn't have sensor systems orbiting the Earth,
we didn't have anything. But today we can see a
physical craft coming right, and they know that now, so
that now they have to get around the ability of

(44:51):
getting detected right. And so maybe there is a serious
interdimensional component to this with contact that we never had before.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Totally totally. I mean, you know, you you talk about
your particular situation, I mean it could be out of
body type of a phenomena that happens, and this is
very common as well. And these these are the kind
of things whether you know they're dreams of being out
of body, it's all possible. And we again, we just

(45:26):
don't fully understand how these mechanisms really work. I mean,
we talk about time travel, we talk about time and space,
you know, types of variations where people can be brought
back before they're taken, or taken before they're brought back.
I mean, this is just an amazing manipulation of time

(45:50):
and space that these entities seem to be able to have.
And so talk about messing with your mind, they certainly
have that ability, uh to telepathically do things to us
where we we I've been told I've been on a
ship before. Okay. One one day and one of the

(46:13):
support group meetings that I was running, a person came
up to me and said, I've seen you before, and
I said, oh, really at a UFO. No, no, no,
I saw you on board the craft. Well I kind
of blew it off. I didn't think much about it,
and then it was like a year and a half later,
a totally different person came up to me after the
meeting and said the same damn thing, and I said, word,
do you forgot? No? No, no, you were. You were
sitting on this bench naked. You were freaking out. They

(46:35):
told me to go over to you to calm you down.
And so at that point I decided to go get regressed.
And so I went and got regressed. I had three
separate past lives, very different past lives.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
With clothes on or offlos with clothes on.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
It was. I was totally closed, but I had no
recollect of doing anything on a board on board a craft.
And then I talked to a person subsequently and they said, well,
perhaps in that particular lifetime, one of your past lifetimes,
you were abducted and that's when you you know, this

(47:14):
person tapped into it. And that's the thing about this
whole phenomena, that they are able to mix time and
space in a way that it just it's very difficult
to put your finger on it and to understand it
the way that we normally understand things.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
When uh. One of the criticisms that we all hear
that I that I've said myself is that with regression,
people are influenced by the movies, by things that they've read,
things that they've been told their friends, and they're going
to formulate something in their imagination and that's all it is,

(47:56):
and and so forth. Okay, all right, I've said that too.
But then I was regressed and I had that experience,
and I don't hold that faith, and it's not believed,
it's more of a faith. I don't look at it
that way anymore. But the description that I gave of

(48:17):
who was in the room and I was there, I've
never heard anything like that. And I have repeated this
on the air, but also to friends and experiencers and
therapists and so forth, and they all said, wow, really no,
So what came out of my mind has surprised me.

(48:40):
What came out of my mouth was interesting even to me.
I had never heard a description like that in the past,
so obviously I was an influenced. There was no steel
examining table in the room or anything like that. And
I didn't even see the walls, you know. I couldn't

(49:01):
describe any of that. It was just all black. It
was like everything was floating.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
And well, when you were talking to the therapist, I mean,
the bottom line is how you reacted to it. And
I remember mine. I was so emotional, so emotional, and
you were probably very emotional when you were talking about this.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
No, I wasn't. No, as a matter of fact, And
I played some of the video clubs. We did this
for my TV show, Okay, And so I'm lying on
the couch. Sarah's next to me right here, Sarah Brestman
cosme she's amazing. So she's doing the session and I
go this and I remember less. I swear to all

(49:41):
that toly when this moment happened, I was so confused.
I didn't know what was going on. But my arms
are on my I'm like that, and this is what
comes out of my mouth. Jimmy doesn't know about this,
and I went, who's talking? Is there somebody else in

(50:05):
the room here right there? You know, there's three of us.
This is my thought process.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I was.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I was a little frightened that this voice came out
and just said this. I was like, what do you mean?
I don't know about this? What are you talking about? Okay,
well you're about to find out, you know, something like that.
And and this memory was just unlocked. Poop, just like that.
It was only five seconds. That's it. That's it beginning

(50:36):
to end. Yeah. The only way, the only way I
can describe it less is I was beamed up. I
know it's a Star Trek thing, but just imagine that.
It was like I was beamed up. I looked around
the room. This dude looked at me and nodded his head,
like what's up, and he turned back around. I look

(50:57):
and just as I absorbed the room room, I'm back
on the ground looking up at the craft. And I
remember seeing the craft. I saw that. I was with
a group of friends and we all saw it pull in.
It was gold. It was gold. It was like gold,
and was right above us, not very far a thousand

(51:18):
feet or so, and stopped right a butt and we're
all looking at.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
It like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Whoa, because it approached us from a distance and then
stopped and then went straight up into the stars above us.
It was crazy. And that's apparently when that whole five
second thing happened.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
You know, that's incredible. I mean, you didn't you didn't
have enough time to even get emotional. It just happened
so quickly for you. But I mean most of the
people that have had experiences that go get regressed. It
becomes a very emotional type of a situation where they're

(51:59):
telling this story of what happened to them. And that's
that's the part for me that it seems to make
me believe that these things are actually happening. It's not
just a thought process that's going on. This is real.
And of course they come back with marks on their body, implants,
and various other telltale signs of the fact that something

(52:24):
has happened to them.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah. I came back with Fender and Gibson tattoos on
my forearm. It's proof, man, it's proof.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah. The the other part of this with with your group,
I love the TV show People of Earth, and I've
watched it, you know, so many times both seasons. I
wish they would have continued it. It was too good.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Is that it's it's dude, it's real. I've been to
many meetings. Right, they're spot on. But that's pretty close,
isn't it. Are your meetings very similar? Well?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
You know, Well, the thing is, you know, years and
years ago now, since Opus has been in business since
nineteen ninety four, so over thirty years. You know, we
had a lot of local support type meetings in northern
California that I facilitated, and so they were very very

(53:29):
much like that, very much like that. Nowadays, what we
do is we have a confidential online support group where
we have over five hundred people from around the world
that are chatting, you know, twenty four to seven with
one another about their experiences and by the way, did
you have that kind of experience, I've had this kind

(53:51):
of particular experience. Did you have one of those? And
so these people are kind of talking about what they
experience and understand that they're not alone. And it's proved
to be probably the most helpful thing for these people
to understand that they are not alone, because most of
the time. They can't talk to family members, they can't
talk to clergy, they can't talk to their fellow workers

(54:15):
because they're afraid of you know, people thinking they're crazy.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Oh they're not. The truer words have never been spoken.
In nineteen ninety five less. I'm not going to tell
the whole story. It doesn't matter. But I had a
little thing that happened. I was living alone in Sherman
Oaks and I had somebody show up in my bedroom
at two o'clock in the morning. All right, And so

(54:43):
after that, which, by the way, I slept with the
lights on for the next ten years after that, and
the TV. I'm not joking about that.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
I believe it. I believe it.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I didn't tell anybody, nobody, not not my closest friend,
not my family, no, no, no, no. I was I
was freaked out about the experience, but I didn't have
a way to explain it. So what do I do?

(55:16):
You know? And right after that happened another strange thing,
like a month later. I've never talked about this on
the air. I had two friends over at my condo.
This is in Sherman Oaks, and in the middle of
the day and we left to go to lunch Chinese. Well,

(55:38):
we walked right up to Venture Boulevard. We were coming
back from lunch and I see this guy walking out
of my condo. And the kind of minium building that
we had. It was four condos on the first floor,
four condos on the second floor. That's it. It wasn't
like a hundred room building. It was eight eight condos,

(56:00):
three story parking on the first floor. I lived on
the second floor in the back. But it wasn't a
busy building. There was nobody ever there. There's only you
know what I mean. Okay, all right, So we're walking
up the sidewalk and I see this guy walking out
from my building across the street and I just noticed him.

(56:23):
Now what was he wearing and this and that? He
looked burglarish to me. He looked, I don't know, dressed dark.
You know, there's something weird about him. Anyway, we don't
pay him any attention. I just noticed him. But we
walk into my building. Go back, we're walking in. My

(56:45):
apartment was broken into. Yeah, yeah, the whole front thing
was cracked open, door was open, and we walked in
and I went, holy crap, and we called the police.
Police showed up and I'm and nothing was taken. You know,
I have things. I have nice things, guitars, big watch collection,

(57:09):
you know, I had stuff. Nothing, nothing was taken. It
was weird. The whole thing just was unsettling to me.
Got the police report, owner of the building came by
and repaired him in insurance and put in a steel
door frame and all of that, which I felt better about.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
But the timing was weird. Yeah, seeing that guy all
dressed up in black.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I was, Yeah, that was That was a very strange
period for me. That was a very strange period.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I can imagine. I can imagine.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
You know, Well, it's only because we're all out there,
like you said, searching for answers. We have our deeply
personal reasons for doing this. I have mine, but these
are things that we keep to ourselves, you know, we
just don't talk about it. And going having Opus and

(58:08):
other groups like that, and the stuff that you did
with move on To as well. When that started was
there was no place for anybody to go. And I
really wanted people to hear that on this show, that
there were places, there are people out there to go
and talk to. And I think that's the most important
part of Opus and groups like yours.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Absolutely, thank you, Jimmy, and appreciate you having me on
to talk about this because there's a definite need for
this kind of assistance for people that are having these
kind of experiences because you know, you generally speaking, you
can't go to your local psychologist or psychiatrists and start
talking to them about this because they start feeding you.

(58:53):
If you're a psychiatrist, what's your favorite drug? You know,
they want to start giving you drugs to suppress all
of this. But it's happening. It's a real factor that
needs to be dealt with in a different way. And
so we do have therapists and hypnotherapists that are familiar
with the topic that people can go to and they
will listen and not be judgmental, uh and and help

(59:17):
you as best they can. But yeah, so this is
this is a very important situation for people, and we
hopefully can help people in some way, shape or form
get them through this so that they can deal with
life in a normal way.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Our guest tonight, the one and know only Les Fellas,
is with us. We're talking about abductions. We just spent
the first half of the show also talking about three
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host swimming Search tonight. Lesvillez is with us talking about
et abductions. Tonight we jumped into three I atlas, which
everybody is interested in these days, the media, al those
three letter agencies and of course the public. It's very

(01:04:09):
interesting what's going on right now to have three objects
in the night sky at the same time. It's absolutely incredible.
And our guest tonight is Les fell As. He's right there.
Less Camille. Camille just jumped into the chat.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Oh hi, Camille.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
You know what I'm gonna say this. I've known Camille
for a long time, and she's been to my house
and things like that. I've known it for a long time.
She is about as cool as it gets. She's the
cool side of the pillow. Less, did you freeze?

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yes, No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
I just said Camille is cool.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I've interviewed her. I've interviewed her.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, she's she's amazing. She's you know she here's the
other part. She's a professional. She is uh an actor.
We don't say actress. Yeah, we say actor these days.
You don't get on a plane and say stewardess.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Do you No?

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
But anyway, she's just a professional and a talent, but
she's an experiencer. Here's the other part, going back to
I want to talk about opus. There was a funny
scene in People of Earth that got it. So it
just makes me wonder if those writers infiltrated our community,

(01:05:45):
I swear to you, because they just got so much right.
And one of them was so they got a new
person in the group, right, and who introduced themselves as
an abductee, and everybody goes, who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
We're experiencers. We don't use the word abduct tee anymore.
And it was just so funny. I was like, well

(01:06:07):
that was spot on, you know, But it's it's really true.
Experiencers with with your group. Are there still mentions of
the classic form of abduction or are they more like
mine which may be interdimensional?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
No. I think the the initial stage of these experiences
is an abduction, there's no way around it. However, as
these things continue, they become more of an experience, okay,
and thus the terminology experiencer or contact ee, if you will.

(01:06:50):
So we have abductee experiencer contact E. But certainly abductee
has certainly fallen out of favor of late, and we
have more people talking about their experiences, and certainly the
beginning phase is still for most people, almost without exception,

(01:07:15):
an abduction. I mean, they didn't think about this whole
topic at all most cases, and all of a sudden
they're yanked out of their environment wherever it might be,
and taken on board a craft in most cases, examined

(01:07:36):
and then put back, sometimes with their clothes that they
had before they were abducted, or without it, or with
somebody else's. There's so many variations to when you really
get down to the nuts and bolts of the whole experience.

(01:07:59):
They and very substantially, but the basic parts of the
abduction experience or experience for these people is pretty similar.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
What about somebody that feels not knowing that something occurred,
or maybe it's missing time or whatever it may be.
You have a fork in the road, there a decision
to make. You can go and try to find out

(01:08:32):
what happened or not and just leave it alone. I
was very okay with not finding out Okay, I really
was was like, whatever happened, I'm going to leave it
right there. What do you what kind of advice do
you give to someone that's at that fork in the road.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Yeah, that's a good question, Jimmy. We have that all
the time where people ask us, Okay, I've been thinking
about hypnosis and I'd like to maybe understand what happened
to this certain period of time which I can't remember
anything about. And so what we often tell people is

(01:09:17):
the fact that you need to be very sure because
once the toothpaste is out of the tube, it's hard
to put it back in, so you may not want
to understand what happened. So you have to be very
very sure. So we always caution people that they need
to be of a certain mind that you're willing to

(01:09:42):
go down that road and find out whatever it is
down there, because it could be dramatic, it could be scary,
it could be a lot of different things. But we
certainly don't want them to just willy nilly, just sign
up and then find out something that will make them
even in worse shape than they were before they started

(01:10:04):
the process.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
Yeah, it's always been a concern of mine in doing
a show like this because I know how fragile I felt,
and I don't I didn't want to be tipped either way.
I had so many different therapists approached me when I

(01:10:26):
told my story on the air many times about what
happened in nineteen ninety five with this thing that was
in my room. Okay, Jimmy, you need to be regressed.
No I don't, no, no, no. The way that it
happened and the way that it went down, I need
to leave it right there. I'm not interested in anything

(01:10:50):
else that is in or around it. I don't want
to know. But Jimmy, no, no, you're not hearing me.
And if I do any other sessions in the future,
by the way, I've only done one and it was
exhausting to me. I mean, I was just I could
not imagine doing that a couple times a year, you know.

(01:11:11):
But anyway, now that I've had the experience of doing
a session, I don't know if I want to go
back and investigate other things. And in my past I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Agree with you. I agree with you because I mean
people have asked me, he said, Okay, now that you've
had multiple past lives, do you want to now go
back and look at your situation with regard to may
possibly ET contact NHI contact, And no, I'm perfectly fine

(01:11:49):
not understanding anymore about that situation. But here's here's a
maybe it's it's not a philosophy, but a uh something
that to think about is the fact that I believe, Okay,
this is a theory. That's what I was going for,

(01:12:10):
A theory that we've all had an experience, whether we
consciously remember it or not. I'm firmly am starting to
believe that fact that we've all had some kind of
an experience like this, whether we consciously remember it or not,
because of the things that have happened to me, but

(01:12:34):
also talking to all these other people. You know my book,
you know, I wrote a book a couple of years
ago called The Unknown Other and the the The thing
about aliens and how they interact with the with the

(01:12:57):
people in the physical and the psychological effects of all
of that and the extent existential proposition of alien contact
is where I was going with that. So I really,
I really really believe that in some way, shape or form,
we've all had an experience. And I and I think

(01:13:22):
that a lot of us can't remember those things. Maybe
and that's a good thing. Maybe that's a very good
thing that we don't remember those kind of things.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
I I I think dreams, okay, I think when we dream,
we are in another reality, just not this one, and

(01:13:53):
we are accessing that where time does it make any
sense in a dream? You know, the and you wake
up and you're just like, how did I just dream
a week's worth of stuff in six hours? Right? It
doesn't make sense? But yet it happens. And is that
evidence of just another reality? And we access that that

(01:14:18):
is just as real as this one. It's just that
our eyes are open. I'm convinced of that. I don't
know if you have done DMT. It's none of my business,
but I have. I've done it twice. And here's the
crazy thing about it, and both it's just, you know,
a five to ten minute thing. Well one was a

(01:14:40):
little longer. But you're straight before and after? Right? What
Straight's the wrong word? But you're back in this reality
like that, right? Okay? But it was real. That was
the crazy part if you okay, less, I know that
you party at Woodstock, Okay, So here's the deal with that.

(01:15:03):
When you go and you do some kind of drugs
and you hallucinate, you are or imagining things. You're doing
it in this reality. You're you know, you're on your
front or backyard, or you're at the car. You are
in that reality where you see something happen. Okay, that's

(01:15:25):
not the case of DMT. You are you are someplace else.
It's not there's nothing that you can relate to. This.
It's completely new, and it's it's strange and just it's
just uh, the ability to access this. And that's the

(01:15:49):
fascinating part that there is another reality that's right here,
another multiverse that is right here. We just don't see it, right,
That's that's that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a way of connecting with that
other reality. Whether it's your ayahuasca uh that you you
would be taking, or d M T or any other
lsd Uh. These are kind of things that open up
our senses in a way that we can't access normally. Uh.

(01:16:23):
And uh, you know the Shamans, uh the Native American
uh Indians uh have been able to tap into the
these other realities. They they they know they know that
there is this other reality that exists, and uh uh
sometimes uh Uh, we can do that without the use

(01:16:47):
of hallucinogenics or with them, and uh, it's it's uh,
it's remarkable that uh uh, this is a spirituality that
exists that most people don't don't have the capability of doing,

(01:17:11):
or or or even wanting to do it for that matter.
You know, they want to get up in the morning
and have breakfast, go to work, come home at night,
have a beer, watch TV, go to bed, do the
same damn thing over and over and over again. You
and I are lucky that we have the capability of
having conversations like this and you doing this kind of

(01:17:34):
show and me doing what I do to to help people,
because you are doing a great service, Jimmy, I mean,
with your show and bring forward all these type kinds
of topics. So thank you very much for what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Well. I appreciate that. The the for me, what's fascinating
with it big is now I have a large body
of work that you know, covers it a long time,
and I'm able to see how I have changed. That's
the crazy part, because yes, I do what I do,

(01:18:14):
and I do it every single night, every day of
the week. I you know, that's it. Whether i'm doing this,
or when I'm not doing this, I'm taping a TV
show or I'm not doing a movie, or out at
a conference seven days a week, four weeks a month,
twelve months a year. But I have changed, and anybody

(01:18:37):
that would have it's going to college. So I have
been going to college for over a decade straight, learning, right,
just learning, interviewing the best and the brightest and learning.
And I have definitely evolved. I had a different way
of looking at things that I assumed that's the world worked,

(01:19:02):
and then doing this show as a service to others.
But what I've learned about the supernatural, the paranormal, et conspirat,
whatever it may be. Science supports all of the stuff
that I'm questioning. And that's the part. You know, if
science didn't support it, then we're nuts, right, We're just correct.

(01:19:28):
But science supports all of this, the multiverse and extra
dimensions and faster than light and entanglement and all of
these crazy things that we wondered about before. Now science
is saying no, you know, actually we're showing you that
this is all real. Here is the math, and this

(01:19:49):
is why. And that's the crazy part. And that's how
I have evolved. I'm actually more sane now than I
was fifteen years ago. Very good, yeah, and I'm okay
with it. How did you last I've never asked you
this before. How did you get started?

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Oh? My goodness. All right, Well, we have to go
back to when I was eleven years old and I
was living in Connecticut at the time, and it was
coming into the house. It was already dusk, and it
was late October, and I looked to my right and
here's this object over a tree line, maybe a thousand
feet away, totally silent, totally silent, just moving slowly. And

(01:20:34):
at first it just scared the crap out of me, okay,
because I've never seen anything like it. It was self illuminated.
It was oval in shape, and no sound, no nothing.
It just kept moving slowly away, and I ran in
a house and I tried to get my father to
come out, and by the time my father came out,
it was gone. He says, Oh, it's probably just a

(01:20:55):
beacon of light reflecting off a cloud. And I didn't
believe that. I didn't leave that at all. And so
shortly thereafter, I went to the library and started picking
up books on UFOs and back in those days, this
is the late fifties. Georgia Danski was the big writer
back in those days, talking about his contact with the

(01:21:16):
Venusians and his incredible photographs of the Venusian craft and everything.
I really got hooked on it. And then I got older,
kind of forgot about everything, you know, went off to college,
got in the service, got married, did that whole nine yards.
And in nineteen eighty five I moved out to California

(01:21:38):
and picked up the San Jose Mercury News one day
and saw this article about Stanton Freeman come into San
Jose City College to talk about UFOs and the government
cover up, and I'm going, holy crap, I got to
go see this guy. That was like a switch was turned.
It was like, you know, I definitely had to go
see him. So I expected to see a handful of

(01:22:00):
people there, and when I got there, the auditorium was packed.
There was like three hundred people there, and he gave
one of his inimitable you know, lectures and showing all
the redacted information that the CIA had done and everything.
And so I walked out of there and I said,
oh my god, I got to get involved with this.

(01:22:21):
And lo and Beholds move On had a table in
the foyer and they had a monthly journal that they produce,
and so I started to get that. And after a
while that wasn't enough for me, and I found out
that they had a field investigator training course that you
can take to investigate cases. So I did that. I

(01:22:44):
became an investigator, and all the cases, almost without exception,
people were telling me that not only did they have
a sighting, but they had contact with these non human intelligences.
In the first case, I said, oh, I don't know.
I was kind of a nuts and bolts kind of
a guy, and so I was rather skeptical about the

(01:23:06):
first case. But then the second case, the third case,
they were all telling me the same thing. So the
next thing I know, a person asked me, said, do
you know of other people that are having similar experiences?
And I said, yes, I do. I start to facilitate
a support group in my office in San Jose, and
that's when things got really interesting, and there's some incredible

(01:23:30):
stories that came out of there. I'll tell you one
quick one, how much time we got I guess we've.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Got we have all life for you less?

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Man? So this couple, they were amateur pilots, and they
had gone have a little picnic, I guess in a
state park north of Santa Cruz, Boutana State Park, and
they were coming out of the park at dusk, and
this park is basically on the side of it a

(01:24:02):
pretty steep area, and they noticed this light over the ocean,
and it caught their attention, and it started to get
bigger and bigger and bigger, until literally it was over
their head and it was a triangular craft. And this
thing was making no sound. It was about the size
of a small Leer jet and it went slowly into

(01:24:25):
a canyon behind where they were standing, and they noticed
this other light over the ocean in the same scenario.
This thing got bigger and bigger, and it literally was
over their head once again. And the first one they
felt they were looking at it. The second one they
felt it was looking at them, and they became frightened

(01:24:46):
and moved up underneath this big pine tree, and I
went up there with them to investigate this particular case.
At that point, they felt like they were on remote control.
They felt like they were floating, and they started to

(01:25:06):
go down this hill. And this hill is even during
the day it's dark because it's highly wooded and it's
a lot of rocks and things like that, and they
felt that they just kind of glided along that path
down to where their car was, and that's the last
thing they remember. For three hours. They showed up at

(01:25:29):
a restaurant, okay, which is only like ten minutes away,
so it wouldn't take them three hours to get there.
And they don't recollect how they got there. So we
had many discussions about that. They didn't want to get
have hypno therapy done on them. Okay, So this happens

(01:25:51):
probably twenty five thirty years ago. I got a call
from them about six months ago. Oh really, Scott, Yeah,
they called me up. They said, we need to talk.
We need to talk to you. I said, okay, oh,
I need to I need to back up just a

(01:26:11):
little bit. They did come to one of our support
group meetings. Uh after this happened. Okay, they had both
developed a rash on their bodies and they had gone
to their doctors and doctors couldn't figure out what it was.
It wasn't there's a lot of poison oak and poison
ivy up in that area, but it wasn't that, and

(01:26:35):
neither doctor hers or his could understand or could figure
out what it was. They didn't understand what it was.
So they took a picture of this rash and they
showed it to the people in our in our support group,
and almost without exception, each one of those people had
a very similar rash. One of the people in our

(01:26:57):
group said, I think I know what that's from, and
so he said, okay, can you please tell us and said, yeah,
it's a reaction to the fluid that they dip you
and when they bring you on board the craft to
sanitize you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
M I thought you were going to say it was
the last supper or something, but see, this is but
this is what you know. You need to be careful
about what you want to know, right, what is it
that you want to find out? Because of things like this,
Suddenly a door opens that you were just not expecting.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
So they did not remember that, Okay, okay until, like
I said, about six months ago, I got to think
I lost you. Yeah, we're back, okay. So the reason
why they called is that she started to remember the

(01:27:53):
fact that she was dipped in this fluid. It came
to her without hypnosis it finally consciously it came up,
it bubbled up in her. And I mean that's the
kind of case that just blows your mind, the fact that, yeah,
you have this experience and then you have this reality,

(01:28:15):
this recognition that yes, something did happen like that, which
I've never heard before from anyone, that they were dipped
in a fluid to sanitize you. That's a first for me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, So six months ago they called.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
You, yeah, yeah, and then she remembered the fact and
that's why they called because she wanted to tell me
that she remembered the fact that she was dipped in
this fluid. So, I mean, those are the kind of
things that are just incredible to me that they would

(01:28:50):
do something like that to begin with. But it was
the cause of that rash that they.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Had when and I always think about it's a bad example,
but no, it is a good example. The movie Communion, Right,
so when Bud has got his experience or group in
New York, you know, getting or was it or right,
the experience or group? Yeah, and they're they're at the

(01:29:22):
apartment and doing that and how not only I don't
want to say arguments, but I don't think it's one
race of et visiting this planet. I think it's thousands.
I don't think it's fifty seventy. I think it's thousands,

(01:29:43):
thousens of thousands. And everybody's experiences are just different. Why
does everybody's experience have to be exactly the same? And
that is something that critics want to you know, everybody's
got these crazy Well why would you think everybody's experience
would be the same.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Yeah. One of the things that we just recently finished
the first phase of the Omega four study, which we're
going to probably publish here shortly, is the fact that
the majority of experiencers are dealing with either the short
grades or the tall grays. Okay that that seems to

(01:30:24):
be the number one, but the other other groups are
are the interdimensionals of the energy beings and poltergeist activity
is very prevalent, and you know, you talk about the
orbs that are been so prevalent of late, So there's

(01:30:45):
all kinds of and I agree with you one hundred
percent that we're not dealing with one race. We're dealing
with multiple things, whether they're interdimensional, time travelers, extraterrestrial. So
you going to have a plethora of entities that people
are dealing with, and they are. They're dealing with multiple

(01:31:08):
types of things, whether they're Nordics, whether they're Reptilian, whether
they're praying mantis types. It's all over the place. But
it seems like there's a conglomeration of four or five
major groups that seem to be interacting with us predominantly.

(01:31:30):
And of course there's all kinds. There's the blues, there's
the whites. I mean, whatever you can possibly think of
is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Mine that I've seen. I don't want to come across
as some crazy you know that I've had this crazy
amount of experiences and things. I don't want to come
off that way, But I have seen some stuff. And
when people ask me if I'm an experiencer, if I've

(01:32:03):
made contact, I don't want to cross that line because
I'm not. I don't have any proof. I only have
you know, the experience itself. I don't. I don't. I
don't know what it was. But the beings that I
saw during the session, are you ready less? They were black?

(01:32:29):
They were black black, not blue, not white, not gray,
not this, not green but translucent energy. Noop, they were black, black,
and I don't know if they had clothes on, you know,
But what what what I saw, And I've said this publicly,

(01:32:52):
so I'm not, you know, doing some big reveal, But
what what I saw very tall, thin like in shape, thin,
not not not like stick figures, but but but tall, thin.
But they were fuzzy, not furry, not not not fuzzy

(01:33:18):
like like a Teddy bear, fuzzy on the outside, like jittery,
you know, like out of focus or something very very
hard to to describe. But they looked they looked like,
I don't know, man, it kind of looked like hairy.

(01:33:42):
I don't know, I don't know. Just so anyway, but
the heads were oval, very tall, oval, eyes, mouth, nose,
ears that I could see. My memory of it was uh,
not fright. I was totally cool with it. It was weird.

(01:34:03):
I did not go oh shit, I didn't do any
of that. I just you know, and it was like
I knew who they were. Yeah, it was weird, man,
Like I was hanging out with some friends and yeah
I was trippy. And so I scanned the room and
the reason why I know the facial features the two dudes.

(01:34:28):
Everybody was sitting but the two There were two in
the middle of the room that were standing talking to
each other. They were facing each other. One guy had
his back to me and the other guy was facing
but they were they were together. How do I hear?
Let me straighten out the camera. They were like this
to me right there slightly, but they were talking to

(01:34:49):
each other, and they had something in their hands, you know,
they were like pointing at something, and so that's what
was going on. Anyway. The guy with his back to me,
he goes like this, this is what he does. He
goes just like that, just like that, just like that.

(01:35:11):
It was and I was totally cool.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Yeah, yeah, he acknowledged you. He acknowledged you. Yeah, okay, he.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Didn't give me. It was one of those things. If
you walked in to an office that you worked at,
right and something in the middle of the room just
turns and sees you and gives you one of those
and then goes back to the conversation. You're not going
to freak out. And neither did I. It was like that.

(01:35:39):
It was very It was it was I did not
I did not trip anyway. So when he turned his head,
I could see, you know, I could see his and
the guy that was facing him, I could see and
so the face was black, but I could see, man,
I don't want to my memory says that they had

(01:36:03):
like blue eyes blue. That's that's what I feel. But
I could see the red when they talked. I could
see like the inside of the you know, it was weird.
I don't know if I saw teeth, but everything just
it seemed like it was all quick. Nothing took me
by surprise. So I thought that all the facold features

(01:36:28):
were there, nose, you know, it wasn't like I went, oh, whoa, whoa, dude,
you look strange. I didn't feel that. I didn't. I
didn't get any of that and then the other and
I want to throw this. I'm giving you this information
because I want to know if you heard anything like
this in your in your groups. I heard this. Hold on,

(01:36:51):
I'm pointing. I heard this guy here that was sitting right.
He's like hun and he's like talking into something like
a radio a microphone. I'm saying these things because I
don't I don't have another way to kind of put it.
But he's having a conversation, and the conversation was like

(01:37:16):
Californian street talk. Well, no, it wasn't like, hey, dude, No,
it wasn't like that, but but it serves up as
seal beach dude. You know, it wasn't. I don't mean
it like that, but what I do mean it was
very natural without an accent and so, but it was

(01:37:38):
in English, and I heard him say something like, hey man, hey,
what's going on? Yeah, we're here. Everything cool, Everything is cool.
How you doing? We're cool?

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Did you did you see their mouths moving?

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
He was, he was leaning over. I was, I was,
I was if it was only five seconds less, you know,
So I just kind of stand the room. But I
heard him talking. And as I looked at these guys
over here that were I could see them side view.
I could still hear this guy talking over here, and
I scanned, you know, I just kind of looked at

(01:38:15):
the whole room and kind of gave him one of
these and then they turned around and say goodbye, and
I was gone. But during that scan of the room
is when I heard this. That was the only noise
in the room was this guy talking, and it was like,
hey man, how you doing. We're cool? Everything good with you? Yeah,
we're good. Good. Good to see. It's good to see
you too, all right, cool boom, I was gone. But

(01:38:37):
I heard that it was like a very very like
two friends they knew who each other were. Now, wasn't
talking to twenty nine Palms Marines. I don't know, you know,
I don't know who he was talking to, but it
seemed like he was talking to somebody on the ground.

(01:38:58):
You know, I don't know anything is fact. I'm just
it was very it was very unoffensive.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Well one, you know, you've talked about the fact that
anybody else has had similar situations. Well, yeah, there's been
a number of cases where people have described these entities
as being dark. Okay, shadow people very much, shadow people.
Not often they don't describe the eyes as you have.

(01:39:28):
But I've had cases where people talk about these entities
matter of fact. One of the people in my book
of the Unknown Other and the Existential Propersition of Alien Contact,
her name is Stacy. She was a nurse practitioner and
she happened to be telepathic, clairvoyant, a channeler, and so

(01:39:50):
she was working in this critical care area and this
person walked in, six foot tall male, and she telepathically
heard him say I'm here for your help, and she said, well,

(01:40:11):
you know logically, yes, I'm a nurse, I'm here, I'm
going here to help people and things like that, but
she was able to see that this person wasn't who
she was seeing on the outside. There was another person
in this person that turned out to be a lot

(01:40:35):
smaller than this guy. Happened to be like six foot tall.
She said, it was like five foot tall. It was
more bird like. It had feathers on the side of
its head, and it had incredibly blue eyes sunken in
with a facial area over here that was projecting. The

(01:40:58):
eyebrow area was projecting, and like a beak, like a beak,
and and and all he wanted for her to do
was to hold his hand, and and and and then
she said, well, okay, I'm going to go get the doctor.
The doctor comes in, it's in there for a few moments,

(01:41:21):
goes out of the room, and she says, so, what's
going on. He said that, The guy said he's fine,
and he left. You mean he didn't prescribe anything, nothing. No.
She had two other people show up that that same
day with the same kind of features. She couldn't tell

(01:41:44):
if they were male or female, but she kind of
felt that they were more male than female, but presented
outwardly a certain look more natural to you and I.
But she was able to see because of her exception
or capability to perceive this kind of thing. These were

(01:42:05):
entities that were coming to her for assistance, and all
she needed to do was to touch them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
I mean, they talk about unincredible stories. But the blue eyes.
That's what triggered me on talking to talking to you
about this particular case. Was she said they were vividly
blue eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Yeah. I've had a few people, more than a few,
suggest to me that I was seeing, you know, some
kind of shadow entity. No, no, no, no, no, it
was definitely physical. It was It was nothing. It It
wasn't like everybody was lit up, you know, and it

(01:42:49):
was all vivid. It wasn't like that. The room was dark,
but not black dark. I don't mean it like that.
I'm just saying, isn't like all lit up. And I'm
sure I looked just as dark to them too as well,
if you know what I mean. Because the room was

(01:43:09):
a lit up, but they were definitely solid. There was nothing. No,
this was I maybe they had black clothes on, I
don't know, but the room was dark. But definitely the heads,
the shoulder, the hands. You know, I saw them holding right,
So this is all black, you know, this is just

(01:43:30):
like not not dark black like vanta black. Yeah. Crazy,
it was crazy, but yet all of these details were here.
You know, I can't I could see it. Yeah, it
was greaty oval again like an egg shaped like an egg.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
The eyes the eyes were like normal eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Like normal normal eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, interesting, okay, yeah yeah yeah and normally
I mean, I rem remember.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
I remember slender Man. I remember slender Man. Uh, and
what was going on with that? I was listening to
Creepy Pasta and I was listening to all the slender
Man stories that I could, and I was watching the
slender Man videos. Slender Man scared the crap out of me,
and I loved getting scared. We all do. Right. This

(01:44:22):
wasn't that I didn't at all trip at trip like, No,
it was. It was very strange. And here's the other
part about it. I would do it again, right, I'm
okay with that. You mentioned that earlier, right, I have
the experience continued. Maybe it has, I don't know, but

(01:44:46):
there was something familiar to me and something familiar to them.
There was no freaking out. There was no freaking out.
It stopped short of yo, church, what's up? It stopped
short of that. You know, it was like that. It

(01:45:06):
was it was, yeah, it was, it was. It was weird.
It was very and had I here's the other thing. Last,
If I hadn't have done the session, I would have
never had this exposed to me. I would have never
known about it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Yeah. Yeah, interesting, isn't it? Isn't it interesting? I mean
how you can open up certain parts of your mind
in certain ways that it would never be able to
do otherwise. And then it comes forward and it's like,
holy mackerel, what the hell just happened? And this is,

(01:45:47):
like I say, another reality that we just do not understand.
That is here. It's been with us forever, forever, since
we've been.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
You know, what's you know? You're a professional. You got
a professional background. I am too, and I live a
very normal exist, well as normal as anybody could be
that does what I do for a job. But realistically speaking, man,
I do my own laundry, I shop, I go out,

(01:46:22):
I hang out, I do my thing. I just rode
to the Kern River with twenty five other Harley riders
and went in and had lunch and sat down with
everybody and just you know, everything. And then and then
I'm talking about being on spaceships for my job, and

(01:46:42):
it's just like so I can't express I'm just I'm
just normal, you know what I mean. I'm just normal.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
I got this crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Thing going on, but the rest of my life is
absolutely normal, except for my art house. My house is
completely on it. You know what I said to myself
today last I swear to god, you know what I said.
I saw this light flash and it reflected off of
some books that were on my coffee table, and I looked,

(01:47:11):
and so I spun my leg around on the couch
and I waved it in front of the window, trying
to make.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
The same thing right right, And it didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
And I spun around and I went back to what
I was reading, and I said, Man, I'm tired of
this shit. I'm just tired. Oh my god, I don't
need to And you know, but other than that, I
just looked just this normal existence. Everything's normal, just as
normal as anybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Well, I think you know, you talk about poltergeist activity,
you know, being living in a haunted house. My brother
and his wife had one hell of an experience. They
refurbished this seventeen hundred's house in Griswold, Connecticut, and one
night she came home with bags of groceries in her hand,

(01:48:03):
and there was a side room and there was a
big wing back chair in the room and there was
a TV in there, you know, normal stuff. And so
she came up to the door and yelled out to
my brother and said, Mark, opened the door, my hands
are full. And he didn't move, and nothing happened. And

(01:48:24):
she yelled again and nothing happened. So finally she got upset.
She put the groceries down, opened up the door, walked in,
and she was going to give him hell. And of
course it wasn't him sitting in the chair. It was
this ghost sitting in the chair and scare the crap
out of her. But there was two ghosts that lived
in the house. There was a male and a female.
And every time the female would show up, you would

(01:48:46):
smell jasmine. And one night I had to sleep in
the room where they used to hear footsteps in this room.
I swear I did not sleep very well that night,
and I get my arms and my legs all up
underneath the covers. But it's real that stuff happens, and

(01:49:09):
so if that kind of thing happens, okay, anything is possible.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
That's right, that's exactly it. I there is probably such
a basic fundamental of the causality, some basic thing that
ties all of this together, just some little you know,
some little thing that we haven't quite figured out yet.

(01:49:36):
But when we do all of it right, ghosts, life
after death, paranormal consciousness, this that alter but all of
this et what you see in the sky things, it's cloaking,
you know. Those are the words that we use today
because we don't have another way to describe it. But
what if it's just all the same thing, it's just

(01:49:59):
something we haven't figured out.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
It's all connected, It's all connected. That's what I believe.
I believe it's all connected, that all these phenomena in
some way, shape or form are connected, and we just
it's part of a puzzle. It's part of a big
puzzle that we still don't understand yet. But we're putting
the pieces together slowly but surely. And I think, you know,
with our understanding of physics now that's coming along, whether

(01:50:25):
it's quantum theory or string theory, or whatever theory you
want to talk about. It's starting to you know, congeal
a little bit more than we've ever been before. And
so it's fascinating time to live. I mean, we're living
in an incredible time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
The other part of this, though, I had less. I
had less. I had Lawrence Cross on the show last
week and he said this, I'm in a paraphrase, but
he goes, Jimmy, you know in the past you had
things like ghost and lepards and trolls. And I said, man,

(01:51:03):
are you listening to what you're saying. Just listen to
what you are saying. It's been around forever. This isn't
a modern phenomenon. And you know, folklore or mythology or
witness accounts and the way they described things in the past,

(01:51:23):
they didn't have another So maybe ets were called lepre
cons because we didn't have another word for it. There
are ghost stories from Greece, you know, in BC era,
that are the exact same. It's the movie Poltergeist but

(01:51:47):
was written in three hundred BC, the same thing. There's
a there's an old it's a crazy story. It's three
hundred BC, and the story teller says this, So this
is like a true account. I bought a new house
from my realtor. And again this is pretty much how

(01:52:11):
it's written, right, they had real estate agents when he
bought a house. Some things don't change. Mortgage rates had
gone down, and so he bought that house anyway, So
he says, I bought it. As soon as I move
into the house, I heard chains rattling in the yard,
and I went out, and so going on to describe

(01:52:35):
this ghost and this entity that was hanging out at
the house had turned out it was the previous owner.
And this is this is two thousand, three hundred years ago.
It's been going on forever.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
Oh absolutely, And you know we've dealt with demonic possession
of you know, we've had exorcisms that have been done there.
So there's good, there's evil there, all all the above.
I mean, it's happening. And we've we've dealt with a

(01:53:13):
lot of these types of things, uh that have come
across our our our website and uh uh and we
try to help these people as well. But yeah, there's
all kinds of aspects of this thing. And that's what
I say. Number One thing are the grace Okay, that
seems to be the top of the thing. The second

(01:53:34):
thing interdimensionals that seems to be very popular orbs okay,
and poltergeist. Poltergeist activity is very prevalent with all of
these kinds of things as well.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Why we've got four minutes left? Why? Why why do
abductions occur?

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
I think that this is something that has been with
us forever. Okay, it's a process. It's a process that's
going on. It's a process. It's a journey. It's a
spiritual journey that people are involved in, and it's a
recognition that there is something beyond this reality, okay that

(01:54:21):
interfaces with us. And so yeah, sure are these entities
coming here because they're in trouble and they need our DNA,
they need our they need our blood, they need our sperm,
our eggs, things of that nature. Yeah, that's probably going
on as well. It's not one thing, it's multiple things.

(01:54:42):
And that's why it's so hard to just say it's
this and nothing else. It's multiple things that are going
on at the same time. You know, the hybrid process,
where why are they doing that kind of thing? Well,
is it they want to integrate and basically take over all?

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
If they they're successful in hybridizing all of us. Okay,
you and I may be hybrids too, who knows. And
you know, there's there's a lot of theories about you know,
when we were our genes were manipulated, our DNA was manipulated,
if it was manipulated. But Gary Nolan talks about the

(01:55:26):
fact that, you know, geologists say our planet is four
point five billion years old, but in order for us
to be where we are, the planet should be nine
billion years old. And so there's all kinds of theories
that are floating around. That's saying, wait a minute, something
happened to us as to and that's why we are

(01:55:47):
where we are right now.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
And it's this is where I go back to science. Now,
you say four and a half billion years, Okay, well,
the planet has been habit for about two billion years,
and you know, once the molten lava settled down and
all that stuff, and then the atmosphere and things had
to settle it. Okay, But when you really look at this,

(01:56:15):
Homo sapien sapien has only been here at most for
two hundred thousand years, and two hundred thousand years ago
we just appeared boop, no evolution, right, this perfect forehead, right,

(01:56:38):
the physique, no hair, the layers of fat that we
have under our skin. Nothing matches the rest of the planet, nothing,
nothing else in any other speech, the beauty our jalla,
this thing all compare us to Neanderthal or chrow magnet.
That's two.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
By the way, Jimmy, I'm must be more advanced to
you because I have less hair.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
You're smarter. That means your brain, your brain is more
active and the electromagnetic radiation dissolves the hair on your head. Yeah. Yeah,
I have less brain activity, so therefore more hair. But
I'm being very serious. Less we just appear. Talk about

(01:57:24):
no time for evolution, you know, the missing link. There
is no missing link. We just appeared. Well, when you
look at Zachariah Sitchen's work and some of the research
that has gone into that all points back to this
same timetable of about two hundred thousand years ago. Well,

(01:57:47):
that explains a lot. Science supports the WU in this
case that there may have been some alien crisper snip
snip action on our DNA two hundred thousand years ago,
And I'm okay with that. It answers the question, right,
where's the missing link? Well, there isn't one. There was
just a right. I'm okay with.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
That, sure, sure, absolutely absolutely, I agree. I believe that
there's been manipulation, there's no question about it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
Less, thank you so much, my friend. Great to have
you back on the show. Where can everybody chase down
your work and get a hold of opens.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. Just go to our website opusnetwork
dot org. It'll give you the whole rundown. If you
need some help, you can hit the support button there
and we'll get back to you within seventy two hours.
We can put you into an online support group confidential
online support group, or we can refer you to mental

(01:58:47):
health practitioners or hypno therapist that that's what you're looking for.
And I got a book on Amazon called The Unknown
Other and the Existential Proposition of Alien Contact, which talks
about the physical psychology and a lot of other interesting
stories from some of the people in the support group.
So I think you really enjoy it, And thank you, Jimmy.

(01:59:09):
I really appreciate being with you. You're always a lot
of fun. And I love you man, and thank you
for what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
Love you right back. Less, thank you so much. Just
thank you from the community for all of your work
over the years. Man, We really appreciate it. Thank you
so much, Thank you, les Vellas everybody, and we do
have Less's links below in the description, over on our
website and throughout social media if you need to reach out,

(01:59:36):
Opus is right there for you. All Right, great conversation,
Thank you so much, Less, And I want to remind
everybody what I am doing tomorrow night, which is oh
tomorrow night. Trey Hudson is here and he's got a
new documentary out. It is called The Helm and the Lens. Also,

(01:59:57):
the documentary is now out for the Metal Project. So
tomorrow night we'll be talking about all of that much
more with Trey Hudson. Until then, I'm Hero's Jimmy Church,
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