FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Trey Hudson

Tonight, author and researcher Trey Hudson joins us to talk about his two new documentaries: 'The Meadow Project' and 'Helm and Lens'... amazing stuff!!!

Episode Transcript

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I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
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This is Day to Black.

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It's your host, Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
All Right, good evening, how you doing Fade to Black?
Everything good, everything's good around here. Today is Tuesday, October
twenty first, twenty twenty five. As Jimmy Church, let's do
this Mayen Yeah, try. That's from the movie Friday. I
stole it. Chris Talker, Yeah yeah. You ain't got no jump,

(01:32):
you ain't got nothing to do. Let's do this man,
all right, all right, all right, let's do it. Where
am I tonight? Trey Hudson's on the show this week
on Fade to Black. It's a short week this week
because it's Halloween. Last night, Les VLEs was here and
another amazing conversation with Leus talking about alien and et abductions. Tonight,

(01:57):
Trey Hudson is back with us as promised. His documentaries
are out. We are going to be talking about them
and the rest of the world of height Strangeness tonight
with the one and only Trey Hudson. Tomorrow night, John
Caruth is here. What is a poltergeist? Yeah, we need
that just in time for Halloween, because Thursday we are

(02:19):
off air. I am going to be at a Halloween,
a friend's Halloween party, and it's going to be great. Yeah,
So I'm taking the night off. Yeah, yeah, all right.
I do have seven events coming up in twenty twenty
six in combination with everything else that I do around here.
It's a busy schedule, but we squeeze it all in.

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All right. Now, come and hang out with me in
twenty twenty six. You can do it at the Conscious
Life Expo February twentyth through the twenty third at the
Lax Hilton. I was talking to Mah maybe later I'll
give up his name. I'll give up his name. But
I was talking to a rock star friend of mine

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today and he's coming to the Conscious Lifeexpo and I'm
so excited about this. Flying in from out of town
and got all the arrangements made and I'm really looking
forward to embarrassing him and pulling up on stage at
some point. And that is February twenty through the twenty

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third at the Lax Hilton. After that the Sedona Ascension
Retreat March twentieth through the twenty second, twenty twenty sixth
and Sedona, Arizona. After that the Contact Modalities Expo May
first through the third in Delavan, Wisconsin at Delavan Lake.
After that it's Contact in the Desert May twenty eight
through June first, twenty twenty six. Tickets on sale next

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month on Thanksgiving Day. Then I head south to Peru
with Brian Forrester for the INCA Celebration of the Sun
June twenty third through July first. After that I go
over to Scotland for the Monty Python Tour of Scotland
that is August first through the ninth, and then I'm
back to Peru and Easter Island and that's going down
November twenty twenty six with Brian Forster. And you can

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do all of that that you need to do with
the links below and go and check out the schedules
and stuff. I will be going back to Egypt in
twenty twenty seven with Sarah Breskman Cosme for the Total Eclipse.
That's right, totality is happening over the city of Luxer

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and we will be there and it is going to
be amazing. So come and join us for that. That's
going to That is a serious, once in a lifetime thing,
all right. So with that, let's just get started. Trey
Hudson is here tonight. He's got a short documentary that
is out. It's called The Helm and Lens. We're going
to be talking about that. He's got the new Metals

(04:49):
Project documentary out. We're going to talk about that, and
not only the new film, The Metal Project and that
mini documentary, but we're gonna talk about how all of
this ties into his books, all of the research he's
doing at the Meadow and which is like many locations

(05:10):
in the United States, it's a hot spot for unexplained phenomenon.
He's the director of the Anomalous Studies and Observation Group ASOG,
which investigates high strangeness phenomena through through a multidisciplinary experiencer
centered approach. With the background in psychology and anthropology from
the University of West Georgia. He also served done Doundune

(05:33):
as a US Army Military intelligence officer, which means I
can't tell a fib on the show tonight because he
will know. I would like to welcome back to pay
to Black, the one and only Trey Hudson. He's right there, Trey,
So what you know? I Trey, I have so much
respect for you. But I'm just gonna let everybody know.

(05:57):
Don't believe, let everybody know. Uh, Trey and I before
the show, we're discussing how to cheat on a polygraph.
This is the thing you are, uh when when you

(06:19):
know former intelligence officer and what that entails is none
of my business. I'll try to get it out of
you at some point. I have tried, and you've you've
put up a pretty good wall. But have you ever
issued a polygraph? No? I I would I never. Uh,
somebody else did it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah they have.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Uh, your various agencies have polygraphers, which you know those
are not the guy that makes muddy eight millimeter movies.
That's another that's a pornographer. But these are polygraphers, right.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Uh that that was good? No, No, that's fine, Okay,
your intelligence man. See see you're trying to get inside
of my head, and you're using it with sex and
pornography like you intelligence officers do.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
That's well, that's the that is the old the intelligence.
That's the second oldest profession, and the second oldest profession
oftentimes uses the first oldest profession. And it's actually called
in the intel business called the honey trap.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
And that is there have been many, many, many guys
and gals you know, you just can't say, can't say no,
they can't say no, well no, you know probably and
you know when that comes up in a movie, you know,
the honeypot, the honey trap. And you see that come up,
you see it as the plot twist. You see this
coming as a viewer, right, and then you step back

(07:43):
and it could be a true story. Right, you're watching
it is true as a documentary and you see this
park come up and you go, didn't he know? Well, no,
he didn't. Otherwise people get blinded by that. Yeah, and
money whatever the art of the you're going to do

(08:06):
something bank robbery, didn't you know that they were undercover? No?
Obviously I didn't, or I wouldn't have done it. And
it's the same thing with the honey trap, isn't it
It is.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean that's something that you know, at the end
of my career, something that was becoming really problematic is
virtual honey traps, you know. And you know, when I
would give briefing, I'd say, you know, guys, look, you know,
I'd look out in the audience. You know, I said,
none of you are Brad Pitt. So if you're getting
a friend request, you know, on Facebook or whatever social

(08:39):
media from some smoking hot Russian babe, it's probably really
a guy working for Russian intelligence named Igor with hair
coming out of the collar of his shirt on his back. Okay,
you're being catfished. That's, you know, the oldest trick in
the book. And you know, we actually had a few
cases where, you know, with these guys would get called

(09:01):
in that we would bring them in. I would have
some I'd sit there in front of them, and I'd
had two very you know, stern looking special agents and
we'd say, okay, no more, you know, no more you know,
online friendship with four nationals. And then a year later,
the same guys back in front of us, and it's like,
you know, come on, dude, you know, we warned you,

(09:23):
we told you what would happen, and you know, here
we are again. So yeah, it's uh, it's it's the oldest, uh,
the oldest primal drive, you know, the little reptilian part
of our brain, you know, the madubla oblata you know,
is just driving that uh that need to reproduce and uh,
foreign intelligence agencies uh absolutely take advantage of that.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
They do, they do. I I today, So you're buying
me a drink, lady, I know exactly. Listen, I just
like everybody else. I'm not you know, everybody has this
happened all day long where you'll get pms, you'll get emails,
you will get text, you'll get WhatsApp, well whatever it is, right,

(10:04):
you get these things and they're coming in all the time. Hey,
what's going on? How you doing? What are you doing?
What do you and it's block block block block block
block block block. I've never responded, but people do. Oh yeah, people,
I was reading this article and then we'll move on.

(10:26):
I'm only interested in this because of your background, and
people need to hear this, you know, you know from
somebody like you where it doesn't get talked that much,
and people that get burned like that. They don't go
out and brag about it. They don't go out and
tell their friends that they got catfish, they got burned.
They send somebody five thousand dollars, they sent out some

(10:50):
bitcoin today whatever, you know, whatever it is. You know,
their new girlfriend that lives in and wherever needs money
because as her mom is in the hospital and she
needs to fly to and ah ah. And why criminals
do it? Because people, it works, It works. It's got

(11:16):
to be a numbers game too as well. They're sending out,
you know, hundreds of thousands of those kinds of messages
probably on the hour, right, I'm not kidding. And it
only takes a few you know, you only need that
one person to click. It's fascinating to me. But staying

(11:38):
on this as in not as a catfish thing, but
maybe three eye Atlas is a catfish? What do you
what do you? What do you think is going on
with three eye at Lias. We're getting ready from tomorrow
and forward to have some pretty observation capabilities on three

(12:02):
I Atlas. Can we count on the government to tell
us the truth about what this object is, if it's
a comet or not?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, I think it's the comment, I mean, it has
all the signatures of a comet. You know, the folk
scientists I've talked to, you know, are pretty convinced that
a comet. Uh, it's so big, and it's being observed
by so many people, extra governmental. You know, you have
tons of private astronomers. My brother in law is a
very accomplished amateur astrophotographer, so there's a lot of amateurs

(12:36):
out there watching this thing. So it's started doing anything
really hinky, like you know, going in a you know,
a strange trajectory or something, or if it started, uh
looking at the spectral analysis of you know, that the
gases coming off of it, it started looking weird. You know,
that would be really hard to cover up because you
just have so many eyes on it. And but you know,
I think it's a comet.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You know, I remember, you know, I remember Hale Bop
and the you know, the Heaven's Gate people, ah, you know,
and the craft you know, cruising along in the tail
of hail Bob. And then I remember, uh, you know,
the last scare with you know, the I can't remember
the name of the thing. It was a very odd name,
but uh, you know, people worried about that being an

(13:19):
extra I mean, it is an extraterrestrial origin obviously, but
you know it being some under some sort of intelligent control.
So I think this this is probably is going to
be a comed are.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
You talking about Oh.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, oh Muama, Well I call it.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, I called it Muma for about two months.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Hook is untight, but uh yeah, I think it's the comment.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Uh but you only think it's a comment based on
what you've been told though.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, yeah, yeah, based on what I've been told, But
you have it's It's one of those things. It would
be like if you had a two hundred foot alien
land in the middle of the World series. People are
gonna notice that, and that's gonna be hard to cover up.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
A yeah, you're you're, you're one hundred percent right. That's
the difference. This time around. It's a big object and
everybody's looking at it, and amateur astronomers are pretty damn good, yo,
they excellent. Every every asteroid that comes close to Earth,
it's the amateurs that discover it. It's not oh yeah,

(14:34):
you know, it's not the University of Hawaii, right, you
know with their No, it's it's some guy or gal.
You know, that's got a really cool setup at their
house and they're looking up into the stars every night.
And that's where Last week we had a fly by
sixty thousand miles from Earth, right, fifty feet fifty seven

(14:55):
foot asteroid discovered on octoberber thirteenth. It passed Earth on
October fifteenth.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
You know, yeah, you know, you know, you have to
kind of wonder, you know, it's one going to sneak by,
and Paul's all kind of unpleasantness here on Earth. You know, hopefully,
you know, hopefully it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
But well with omuh Ohmua was trippy about that. And
I'm just based on Avi Lobe's book Extraterrestrial, right, I
think that was that was not natural because it turned

(15:37):
and it sped up, and it slowed down and it's
sped up again without any gravitational effects on it. That's
pretty bizarre. And yeah, that is that's a tough one
to explain away. We never got any clear shots of it.
By the time we knew what was going on, it
was gone. We only had eleven days and that was it.

(16:01):
Eleven days and it's gone. And the data that we've
collected is all the data we will ever collect on it. You
ever have, right, Yeah, it's gone. It's gone. So if
this comment or this object whatever it is, which seems
to be metallic in nature, a lot of metal coming
off of this thing, aluminum, nickel, iron, and so just

(16:27):
based on that, I find it strange. But if it
does anything crazy, this is one of the points that
Avul brings up. Let me run this past you. It
is on its trajectory that it is doing without any
gravity assist from the Sun. Okay, yeah, and it is

(16:52):
in a heliocentric orbit, which means it has nothing to
do with the Sun or our solar system. It's doing
its own thing. So that that feels strange to me.
It just feels strange. And if that's the case. If
that is the case, then it's a comment whose origins

(17:16):
would have to be. If it wasn't developed here in
the art cloud, which they're saying it wasn't, then that
means it came from somewhere else, And the next closest
thing at that speed is a long ways away. So
they backtracked it and they traced it back to the
origins of the Wow signal. Now that feels a little

(17:37):
weird to me.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
And you did hit on something that we have to
be really really careful of. You know, this even ties
into my you know, my own research is we have
a set of optics on how we think things look
that we're familiar with, and based on that experience, we
project that on how unknown things should look. Now, you know,

(18:01):
a alien and that's such a thrown around word, but
a spacecraft or vessel from somewhere some other intelligence. You know,
we think that it's supposed to look like a sphere
or an orb or a cube or whatever, and we
think that it's supposed to behave in a certain way.

(18:23):
It's supposed to you know, exhibit these kind of you know, uh,
ballistic patterns. It's supposed to you know, be made of
this kind of material under a spectral analysis that's supposed
to show these kind of signatures. And you know, if
we ever encounter something that is truly from the others,

(18:43):
it might be so frigging bizarre and so strange that
we won't ever recognize them for what it is. That's
like an ant doesn't recognize a coca cola can as
a Coca cola can. It's just something pretty freaking weird,
you know, its world, and you know, it might not
even say that coca cola can is you know, connected

(19:07):
to some sort of higher intelligence i e. Humans, But
I know some people that are not as right as
an ant. But that's another story. But uh, you know,
so that's you know, we're the ants in this case,
and it might be something that's so strange and unusual
we might not recognize it for what it truly is,
which may be something you know from another uh you know,

(19:28):
other intelligence.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, and that's the problem with science right there. That's
the problem with science and cosmology in general. We base
everything on our knowledge base and so our you know,
the current laws of physics, you know, the known laws
of everything has just got to fit right into this

(19:49):
this narrow thing for them, and instead of the opposite
should occur. If we're dealing with something that came from
out there to hear, it is way beyond us. So
we need to expect anything. Let your imagination go, this
is your opportunity to do that. Right, don't narrow and go, oh,

(20:12):
it has to be a They're forcing it into being
a comet, right, they force it into being a rock.
They force it into being whatever it is that fits
our knowledge base and how we know things. It shouldn't
be that way, should it.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, you know, we need to be careful how we
use our neuro linguistics. Is you know, if you notice
I said it appears to be a comet, I don't
know what it is. I mean, I'm not there standing
on it looking at it. So far the indicators show
that it most likely.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Is a B or C.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
But you know, you hit on it, you know, spot
on like before. I believe it was van Hook that
developed the first simple lenses, that made the first microscope. Okay,
so by using the logic of science, is so bacteria
didn't exist before then because we couldn't see them, so
they didn't exist. You know, the mimosa theory of the

(21:10):
spreading of disease, which is vaporous things in the air.
You know, that was truth until we discovered you know,
microbes and germs and et cetera, et cetera. You know,
we are blinded by our own knowledge, our own arrogance,
our own big headedness.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, it's it's true though. If you go out and
you're with your daughter and you're making sand castles at
the beach, and you take the sand bucket and you
go out into the ocean, and you scoop up the
water and there's no sharks in the bucket, So there's
no sharks in the ocean, right right, right, it's the.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Same or there's no there's no life in that world.
Life are so small you can because you can't see.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
It, therefore there's nothing. You know. It's just like, ah,
that that argument. We haven't discovered anything, we haven't seen
any what you.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Maybe you have and you don't have a way to
detect it.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
It's like they're craziest thought. You know. Literally, if you
scoop up some water and there's nothing in it, then
therefore there's no nothing that lives in water. That that's
that is just dumb.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's just dumb, and it's it's anti scientific. I mean
that kind of attitude. It's anti science. So you know,
it always tickles me when I hear people you know, well,
you know there's not you know, we're it, we're the apex,
you know, intelligence in the universe. Well, why, well, because

(22:41):
nobody's ever made contact. What do you know if they
made contact? If I'm beaming, if I'm on my ham
radio beaming a signal to you know, a tribe in
the Amazon that doesn't mean I don't exist because they
can't receive the signal. That just means they can't receive
the signal.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
The the the time scale that extraterrestrial life would have
to be and would have to match ours. Yes, right,
if it's off just a little bit, they could be
not only invisible, but the signals that they are sending

(23:21):
are just noise to us. They are not accessible at
all if they're stretched out past what or compress you know,
to what we would normally expect a signal, a carrier
signal with video, you know, TV, radio, whatever it may be, laser,
it doesn't matter. But the information could be stretched and

(23:46):
could just be nothing to us and there is nothing
to observe. But that doesn't mean that there's nothing there.
And to say, one last point then we'll move on
to the other high strangeness of the night is that
it's a numbers game. For astrophysicists and astronomers, it's a
numbers game, and they know now they're getting a better

(24:08):
grip on the size of everything we didn't understand just
thirty years ago. We had a different understanding of what
the universe is and exoplanets and everything else, and the
count that we have today of the amount of galaxies
and the amount of stars and planets that are in
individual galaxies in the observable universe is a number that

(24:31):
is so big we can't we don't understand it. It's
that big. It's like it's a crazy big number. So
it's a numbers game to them. And they know that
there's too much out there, so there's got to be
life everywhere, but we don't have any evidence of them
being here. And I'm like, what, who's saying that? Who's

(24:55):
saying that the two thousand astrophysicists on this plant? There's
not that many, right, how many astronomers professional astronomers are
on this planet? You know, ten thousand. It's not that
big of a number. Yeah, what about the millions and

(25:16):
millions and millions of witnesses to this? They are outnumbered
by that, and that they need to flip it around
and understand that anything is possible and we glow in
the dark. We should be of interest out there, just
like we are looking for interesting things. Well so are they.

(25:38):
And leave it at that. Why would you just dismiss
You can't dismiss it?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, And I think what we have to do is
you know, I think the smart way is look at
indicators and signatures, maybe not necessarily proof of their presence,
but the detritus of their movement through our existence. You know,
their tracks, their trails like that. There their litter, their
cosmic litter they leave behind them, and that might, you know,

(26:06):
be a way of starting to figure out exactly what's
going on. But you did an excellent segue on what
the subject of tonight's discussion is, because you know, they're here,
and they're here in ways that people do not realize,
and the stuff we're going to talk about tonight may

(26:27):
disturb some people.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well is it because you combine an open mind with
your intelligence background to get to these answers? Yeah, you know,
I think so.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I You know, I try to keep an open mind,
you know, and I'm not as open minded as I
like I like to think I am. I mean, nobody is.
But you know, I am not a scientist. I'm an analyst,
and I analyze the data and when I get a
piece of data, I corroborate that with hopefully independent sources,

(27:03):
and you know, when it starts pointing towards a conclusion,
you know, I say that indicators point to a B
or C. You know, when we were studying this back
during the Cold War, you know, we would get a
radiation signature that matches a piece of Soviet equipment like
a ZSU twenty three four. Twenty three four anti aircraft

(27:27):
system uses a particular type of radar unit with a
particular radiation signature, and we would pick that up with
our equipment. We'd say, okay, that's where we think there's
this particular piece of Soviet equipment, and doctrinly that Soviet
piece of equipment is right on the edge of a
one motorized rifle regiment in another so we start saying, okay,

(27:48):
so now we think that that's the edge of these
two regiments, so we can go ahead and fix fix
that enemy for us. We know that a regiment motorized
rifle regiment has made of so many tanks, so any
BTRs et cetera, et cetera, you know, armored personnel carriers,
and we can start drawing all of this data and
painting a picture of the battlefield. It's called IPB intelligence

(28:08):
preparation of the battlefield through the interception of one radiation signature.
And so that's where an analyst comes in now can.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
They say it?

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Could I you say with scientific certainty that I can
tell you that, you know, the the seventeen Soviets Guards
motorized rifle regiment is right there. No, I can't say
with certainty, but I could say indicators point to it,
and a good tactician would act on that.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Fascinating, fascinating. Your films are out. Yes, Uh, well, let's
talk about the Metal Project first, and then what is
going to be incredibly interesting is the surprise, uh, with
your your new short the helme and the lens, and
we'll circle back to that. Right, Let's talk about the

(28:53):
Metal Project.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, you know, I'm kind of like a bad toe fungus.
I've been here so many times and you just can't
get rid of me with that, you know, topical ointment.
So but so here I am again.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
You know, the Metal project is something we've been working
on since twenty sixteen, and it is an area of
extreme high strangeness, you know, located somewhere in the America
south Land, and uh, it's generated too books. You know,
we have been researching this area, like I said, for
the past nine years, and you know, some of our

(29:28):
findings are quite breathtaking. And the methodology that we started
on is very different from the methodology we ended up with.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Probably our most amazing thing was a cube like and
I'm going to use the term portal. You know, and
people will see this in the film. Is we dispatched
teams to it and they disappeared, you know from our
thermal It's completely gone, completely obliterated. We did, you know,
multiple times, trying to recreate that. We even in the

(30:00):
film people even see a recreation we did with both
live camera and thermal simultaneously tracking our team as we
try to recreate the uh, you know, the the loss
of the heat signatures of our team.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Uh. Can we stay right there for a second. People
are fascinated with this and and saw I was the
cube visible. I know, it's a dark field night and
it was the cube visible.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, No, it was not, it was not. It was Uh,
it was dark. And what we have found that thermals,
you know, high end thermal units from at In or
Flee or whatever company you want, really seem to work well. Uh.
And so the cube actually uh and I completely forgot
about this, and this is in the film during the interview.

(30:49):
Uh session section is one of my team members. We
were on a team up on top of a ridge
and he was looking down into the meadow with his
thermal and he said, Trey, that's weird. He goes, there's
a a utility box down there, you know, like the
kind of boxes you see on the side of the
road that hold fiber optics and telecoms and stuff like that,
you know, the big green boxes. And he said, I

(31:11):
have never noticed that before. He said, that's weird. We've
been all over that area. And so I bring my
thermal up and I'm like, Daryl, those are deer. And
he goes, what are you talking about. It was a
cube down there, a box and he brings his thrum
all up and now he sees the heat signature of
deer and he goes, that's you know, that's really weird.

(31:32):
And so you know, once again, we try to rationalize,
never overestimate a human being's ability to rationalize the the
unusual or the strange. So it's like, oh, well, I
must have imagined that, you know. And unbeknownst to us
is while we were seeing that from our vantage point,
our teams down in the meadow proper were actually seeing

(31:53):
these these cubes appear on their thermals and disappear and
then reappear in other areas. It was like jumping around
the meadow. And we also saw some heat signatures of
small beings that were not deer. They were started off
as small heat signature, started off as a small heat signature,

(32:14):
got big, got small, got big, and then split into
two two separate heat signatures. And those strange creatures actually
show up later while we're filming the individuals going into
the remnants of that cube like thermal anomaly. There's small
beings that are actually watching us from a small group

(32:36):
of trees that I did not correspond with any location
of our known team members. So it's almost like we
were observing, but we were actually the subject that was
being observed.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Now, you know, that's a great point. If it's like
the tree falling in the woods, right, if you guys
weren't there, would they have been there?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well, you know that that's an excellent question, is uh,
you know we're we the subject of an experiment. Could
be you know, it could be uh. We think that
we were able to uh establish contact, you know, two
way communication using a tool from the paranormal rule called
the EST's protocol. Uh that's in the film too, that session.

(33:26):
And you know, just about everybody who has seen the
video of that EST's protocol agrees that it does appear
that there is two way communication going on between myself
and the individual I had acting as a receiver using
the EST's method. So, uh, you know, that's that's the
trick is when does the lab rat start talking to

(33:46):
the scientists? You know, are are we the lab rat
now starting to you know, interact with a scientist and
as the scientist I e. The others actually interested enough
to uh hold a two way conversation. Uh, you know,
there for a moment they were, and then near the
end of the conversation they started to become a little agitated.
When I started questioning you know, specific phenomenologies you know

(34:08):
with these cubes or portals, you know, electromagnetic fields, gravitational energy,
you know, things like that. It became very agitated and
didn't want to talk to us anymore. It actually told
us to leave.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
And all of your years out there investigating, you've got
a lot of sense or stuff. You've got a lot
of equipment in video too as well. Yeah, with you
and imaging any did you guys ever observe anything in
the sky.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, we've seen a couple of you know, UFOs, and
you know, nobody had.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Hung up on what term I use UFO U A P.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's you know, I know some people get real emotional
about that, but I'll just say UFOs.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
We have seen some UFOs.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I do have a really good video of a set
of UFOs that I have not been able to figure
out what they are, and so I sent them over
to Mark D'Antonio with moufon and so Mark's been looking
at him. He's a friend of mine and trying to
figure out exactly what I captured on video because I
did all the you know, the move on stuff and
I couldn't figure it out.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
So you know, we have that.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
And this area is also very well known. You know,
the general area geographical area is well known for UFOs
is also well known for Bigfoot. You know, we have
we have a a bigfoot on video on thermal. But
the weird thing is it's a large, hulking figure, big head,
sitting on big block shoulders that's colder than the ambient temperature,

(35:43):
not hot or colder. And we have seen that in
other places. We've researched where you have explained that, uh my,
this is the indicator to me is that perhaps sasquatch
or what people call sasquatch is not necessarily a always

(36:04):
a physical being.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Could have just gotten out of a swimming pool. He
could have, you know, it's shrinkys, Jerry's shrinky you know,
might have. But I'm just thinking, you know, what would
cool down? Maybe a creek nearby. Well, it could be,
it could be.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
But you know, the interesting thing is is every time
you hear the traditional folkloric ghost stories, you know, or
haunt stories, what's one of the things that seemed to
be present in every story?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Got cold? And he got colder? Yep.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
And it seems like that is a when I talked
about indicators or signatures, that seems to be a thermal
signature or precursor of high strangeness. So what if these things,
for whatever reason, when they're winking in and out of
you know, their dimension, into our dimension, if they appear
cooler and the surroundings initially, And like I said, there

(37:03):
was another place in another state that we were doing
some research and caught some pretty cool video of a
what appeared to be a sasquatch type creature moving through
the forest, and it was colder once again than the
ambient temperature. And I actually went back and looked at
some footage by anthropologists who were studying baboon populations in

(37:28):
the jungle, and they were using a UAV equipped with
thermal and so I was like, Okay, how does a
primate present itself when looked at through a thermal, A
high end thermal. And even with a primate that's very hairy,
the hands in the face is brilliant, very hot compared

(37:49):
to the surrounding temperature. But the thing that we caught
not only at the meadow, but this other location where
it was a universal one temperature, you know, it was
a universal gray just a few degrees colder than the
ambient temperature. You know.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
It scares. Stuff like that, the sound of a chambered weapon.
I swear to God that works every time. It works,
every time, it works every time. I've never told this story.
I'll make it. Breathe man. Six months ago, I'm in
bed house is dark, and man, I got stuff going on.

(38:27):
I can hear things on the you know, and there's noise,
and man, you know, I'm not getting freaked out. But
you know, my ghost is like active on this particular night,
I swear to god, man, I pulled something out from
under my bed and I chamber it. I laid it
on the bed next to me. Silence. Hmm. It was crazy.

(38:51):
I was like, ah, all right, so I haven't had
to use it again. But it worked. It was the
only way I could calm down.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I was like, yeah, yeah, like maybe I can do
something if it gets hairy. And I you know that
that is that is one thing I mean, I you know,
you know, we can have all kinds of really sexy
stuff you.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Know where I live.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Uh, and you know we are equipped because you know,
we've in this area. There's a murder murderous death gault
you know that had murdered some people, you know in
this area. So you know, we uh we we tend
to protect ourselves, want to protect ourselves.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
But uh, you.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Know, we've never had to draw down on anything. But
you know, quite frankly, I don't know what it would do.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
You know, I don't know. It's for us, it's for us.
It has nothing to do. Look, I have, uh, next
to my bed on my nightstand. I have a black
six D mag light. Okay, now it's a great flashlight,
but that's not what it's built for. Right, It's built
to change somebody's attitude. That's what that's built for. And

(40:01):
I have a couple of uh, you know, aluminum bats,
you know, behind doors and stuff. Just I live alone,
you know, yeah, and that's not going to do anything
with a ghost, no, you know what. But but it's there, right,
It's it's there. I think about that all the time.

(40:23):
What what about what about bigfoot? In a situation like that?
I hear squatchers talk about, you know, never go squatching
without your side arm, and I think Sasquatch would.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Know, you know, I I don't I hear that, you know.
I hear people say the same thing.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
It's like, oh, you know, if you go out there
with a negative intention, you know you're armed, and you
know all of that. And I respect their opinion, you know,
I you know, based on you know, the years of
doing stuff. Is a firearm to me is a tool,
just like you know my knife or you know, my
handy talkie. It's it's a tool. And if I don't

(41:06):
need that tool, it's gonna stay. And it's you know,
it's toolbox. I eat the holster, and I'm not even
gonna think about it, uh.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Out yet Mountain lions and bears, you.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Know, we we do we you know, in this area,
we do have mountain lions and bears and you know,
big feral hogs you know, with razor sharp tusks and
all of that. So, I mean, it's just it's a
it's a tool. And I think that people that go
out and use a firearm or you know, a pointy
stick or their samurai sword as uh you know what

(41:36):
one of my firearms instructors called a ballistic binkie, you know,
their little pacifier in their mouth to make them feel better,
to make them feel safer. I think that that intent
is projected. You know, I'm fearful, but I've got my
ballistic pacifier in my holster. So I feel better now
because I'm you know, I've got it, you know, got
it with me. But you know, those of us that

(41:57):
have you know, basically look at firearms as wet or
knives as weapons or or as tools rather not as weapons,
look at them as tools, misspoke. I don't think that
intent is there, So I think that you know, these entities,
I do think going in with the right attitude does help.
I don't believe in provoking. I think that's what you're
just being a butthole. So I go out there and

(42:18):
be a butthole, you know, go out there and be friendly, right,
and so you know, I, you know, that's kind of
the way we look at it. But you know, I
do have a forty four magnum I take out there
with me, and you know, other sundry toys and stuff.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Well, that's the whole point with the Metal Project. Let
me ask you, Okay, let me ask you. That's the
whole point of the Metal Project. Is it is remote?
How close done wants to give anything away, but how
close by is like help? It's it's not, it's not.

(42:55):
In the film, you.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Know, we had three researchers. You know they're from now
you might know them. Joel Thomas, Tony Merkele, and Wardheiny
were the researchers that came out. And one of the
things that Tony talks about he says, this is the
most remote place we have ever been. He said it
is so in the film. He says, it's so remote

(43:18):
that it was miles and miles and miles and miles
of dirt and gravel roads with no cell reception, you know.
So we've actually had to metavac people out of the
meadow that have had strange medical problems, and it's so remote.
You know, we can't contact nine to one one. There
is no nine to one one. So you know what

(43:39):
we do is when wherever I issue an operations order,
I've got the latitude and longitude to a the closest
heliport or hell spot rather, you know, for air evac,
and also the latitude and longitudes and addresses of the
closest hospitals. Because you know what we had to do
with this individual is we had to literally one of
our medics packaged them up and took him by POV

(44:02):
privately owned vehicle to the er because you know, we
wouldn't be able to contact anybody. Now we can because
there is a very high mountain in this region, you know,
I'm talking like forty miles away that we can't hit
it with a five watt Ham radio. You know, we
can't hit the repeater with our radios, and so we

(44:22):
could call him ay day over Ham radio network and
hopefully somebody would be monitoring you know, that frequency and
could relay a latitude and longitude, you know, two responders.
But it's you know, it's a lot quicker for us
to package somebody up put them in a vehicle. Like
like I said, we have medics on the team, package
him up, you know, get a driver in a medic
and try to get to an area where we could

(44:43):
get reception and maybe either meet emergency responders or take
them on to the hospital.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Are there other I mean, there's some obvious things, but
are there other hotspots in the United States, like the
metal that people don't know about? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Absolutely, I think they're common. I think they're a whole
lot more common than people think. If folks really start
digging into researching. That's you know, that's one of the
things I enjoy doing is I'm a research geek and
a map geek. Is you know, I start looking at Okay,
what areas have like a lot of UFO sidings and
you can go to MOFON or the National UFO Reporting Center,

(45:21):
you know, and plot these things. Okay, what areas have
like you know, a mess buttload of you know, bigfoot sightings. Okay,
you go to b f RO you can plot those. Okay,
what areas have a lot of really cool ghost folklore.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Okay, so now.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
You're starting to see these little concentrations, and you know,
odds are that's probably an area that the locals or
historically has been called a haunted area or an area
with haints, depending on what part of the country you are,
or if you're in the American West, you know at
that area that the Native Americans have always held as

(45:56):
either sacred or cursed. And these areas most likely are
a spot of extreme high strangeness and they're just they're
out there, just waiting for people to research and investigate.
But I do have to warn people is this type
of research is not for the feint of heart. It's
it can be dangerous psychologically, it can be dangerous metaphysically,

(46:19):
and it could be dangerous, you know, health wise. You
know people, you know, of the four people that went
into the uh the remnants of that cube and disappeared
off the thermal, only two of them are left alive.
Half of them are dead. That's that's insane.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
You know what what what? What? What tipped you off?
How are you tipped off to the meadow? The meadow
is uh? What tipped me off?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Is it's an area that was a folklorically, uh known
as a haunted area. This region, you know, the South
is very you know, very dialed into uh you know,
the ghosts and things like that. It's just part of
our culture. And you know that comes a lot from
the Celtic the Scots Irish culture and coming over to

(47:05):
America's south land and bringing you know, that culture you
know with them. So you know, there's a lot of
a lot of ghost stories, a lot of uh you
know areas about you know, haunted roads and cemeteries and
all of this. So that's really what got me into
it is I started off as a ghost guy, you know,
and uh so I started looking into it and I
found out that, wow, there's like a lot of move

(47:27):
one reports in this area, like a lot. And then
I started digging into Bigfoot and I'm like, wait, now, I
forget that Pacific Northwest stuff. There's like a lot of
Bigfoot reports in this area and it's actually kind of
known as a big footy kind of area. And uh
we just happened to discover an area that was so
convenient logistically because it was a big open field in

(47:49):
this this region that was already you know, really kind
of a hot spot. This big open field was an
area where we you know, we could put multiple teams
out because it's about an eight acre meadow. You know,
we could teams up on top of a high ridge.
We had a big view of the sky. We could
do track traps of anything moving across this meadow. You know,
it was like a creature. We could track it. And

(48:11):
it was just logistically a good place to be. It
made sense and we hit pay dirt, you know, first
time out.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Is there anything historically tied to the area, you know, Battle,
Indian Battle of Yeah, any anything sake, anything else.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah, there's a lot of you know, back in the
Uh you know, years ago, there were a lot of
conflicts you know, not only between the various tribes, but
also between you know, white settlers as they moved through
this region. Now I'm not going to go into detail
because it would give away kind of what area this
is in, but you know, there were a lot of
famous battle, very famous battles with very famous UH you

(48:50):
know American historical figures and stuff you know, in this region.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
And so you know it's an area that is UH
is looked at as.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
UH strife. You know, there's a lot of strife in
this area. And also in this area, there's a lot
of forgotten communities. You know, You'll go and you'll find
cemeteries in the middle of the woods. You will find
foundations of homes and communities you know, out in the
middle of nowhere. So it's an area that's been continuously
populated and that's been forgotten. You know, it's been pushed

(49:24):
to the you know, to the the side story of
our history, and it's you know, it's there for people
to really look at, you know, if they want to
dig into it. And I think that all of that energy,
you know, trapped. You know, I don't know if people
are kind of drawn to this area because it has
a strange energy, or if you know, they just happen

(49:44):
to have these communities in this area. But you know,
wherever you have people, you're going to have the folk
lore get generated. And some of that folklore is based
on fact I Ego's folklore. Uh You'll read about old
newspaper accounts of wild men, you know, being chased by
the sheriff's posse. You know, those are you know, kind
of a proto Bigfoot type story, and you know, the

(50:07):
stuff's out there people just need to, you know, go
back and start looking through their you know, their historical
archives and their local communities and finding it.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Do you have a a more common visitor to the meadow?
Do you have repeat performances?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's kind of we call the trifecta
of high strangeness. If you go out to the meadow, uh,
you and you have an open invitation, you know that
uh is you're going to see orbs, You're going to
hear disembodied voices, and you're going to uh, you're going
to see shadow people. Those those that's pretty common.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
That's scarce the crap out of me. Man, You're right.
It's not for the faint of heart. No, I mean
it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I mean it's it's it's funny because you know, I'll
tell people, oh yeah, that's that's shadow people, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I mean yeah, yeah, we see them all the time, you.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Know, orbs. Yeah yeah, oh wait, wait here come the
disembodied voices. Do you hear him singing?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
It's like, what is that?

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, those are strange mountain voices, you know, singing, you know,
out in the middle literally out in the middle of nowhere.
So yeah, that's that's pretty common.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
We were in Perud like six months ago, and we're
at this. We're in this cave in the Sacred Valley,
and uh, it's it's it's insane what this is. Anyway,
So we're up there and we're doing this little ceremony.

(51:37):
We've got a shaman with a drum and he's singing
in the native tongue and stuff and and and so
when he comes out, he does it for about ten
minutes and we're all sitting there. It's like twenty of
us in this cave. In the back half of the
cave is bricked up. No access to the back of

(51:58):
the cave, right, it's just the front, and we're all
sitting there and Trey, as I live and breathe, he
stops the drums and from behind the brick wall, children's laughter, right,

(52:23):
and like kids playing in a park on a merry
go round, you know, little kids, that laughter, that thing,
and my eyes pop open and I'm looking and somebody goes,
did you guys hear kids laughing? I go, you heard
what it was? Right? What? And it's like, you know,

(52:44):
and when we talk about disembodied voices, it's one thing
to hear somebody discuss it and say what they've heard
and how this goes down. It's a whole nother experience
to hear it for yourself.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's unnerving, you know. And the weird thing
is it really hard to record, which is the crazy thing.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I mean, we've been.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Out there and there's another film director friend of mine
that was out there on a visit and he and
I were sitting there and the voices were so loud
it was hard to hold a conversation, he and I.
But they don't seem to record.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
It's really weird. You know, we can't seem to pick
them up on digital recording equipment.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
You know. It's just one of those weird things. Can
you share that with what the first time? For me?
Its just it really messed with my head. The first
time you heard a disembodied voice, what changed in you?
You know?

Speaker 2 (53:43):
It's actually the first disembodied voice I heard was as
a ghost guy.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
And yeah, I mean I've heard EVPs, I've heard disembodied voices,
I've heard disembodied footsteps, and I guess what it does
is it's very humbling because you know, as human beings,
I guess you know, we have that that that ego
drive to think that we're you know, we're it, you know,

(54:11):
we're human beings. Where the apex predator on planet Earth?

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Where all that there is?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
And then you have to kind of take a deep
breath and say, you know, there's something else out there.
And you can look at that two ways that that's
an existential crossroads. Is you can say there's something else
out there and there's something else beyond you know, this
Euclidean world, this this world of matter, and either that

(54:39):
can scare the hell out of you or you can
take comfort in that. I take comfort in that, you know,
because it lines up with my belief system. I find
it very encouraging that there's something else beyond this three
dimensional world.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
When a skeptic says it was just no, no, you
were not there.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
You did not hear.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
It, it's like a skeptic trying to convince you that
the car that you saw dry by was red and
not yellow. No, dude, it was yellow. I know what
I saw. No, it was red, and let me tell

(55:28):
you why. No, stop stop, stop stop. And it's the
same thing with some of this unexplained phenomena we may
not know what it is or what's causing it. I
think we're getting a better understanding of that. But you
can't dismiss the experience. And you know what I mean,

(55:49):
That's what I tell people all the time. It's my
eyes that I believe. It's my ears that I trust
when it comes to this. The firsthand experience. Fun documentaries,
love them. You know, we need to share the knowledge,
and it's a whole other thing to experience it in
the first person.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
And that is and you hit on it when you
did the introduction. Is we look at things from two perspectives.
We look at it from the empirical. You know, if
we can capture data, that's cool. If I can capture
data on my Geiger Counter, hey groovy, I'm all for that.
The experiential is just as important, maybe even more so important,

(56:33):
because you have all of this phenomenon going on. And
I'm not just talking to high straining this phenomenon. I'm
talking about phenomena of love, phenomena of experience, of joy,
of sadness. If there's not a human being to experience
these things, why the hell bother, what's the point. And

(56:53):
that's why the best piece of detection equipment, the best
piece of data, best meter that can detect, measure, and
experience any of this stuff is the human being because
it's all about the experience.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I find it fascinating to think about where we are
today and how the craziest stuff we just take for granted,
the craziest stuff banking on your cell phone. It's just like,
wait a minute, stop right there, that's the most basic

(57:31):
of basic, right, ordering off of Amazon and getting something
delivered the next day. The idea behind that where you
could buy anything on planet Earth, right, and now I've
been delivered to your house the next day, and you
do it off of your phone where you're looking at

(57:52):
videos of the product, right, so mundane to us. Oh,
try to describe that to somebody one hundred years ago.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
And I don't even not even one hundred years ago.
I know, if you told me when I was in
college writing research papers that all of the knowledge of
the world is here at my fingertips, anything anything you know,
especially using you know, AI as a research assistant, you know,

(58:22):
to find you know, different data and research papers and all.
I would have told you were out of your f
in mind, because I had to go spend time and
hours in the library looking at books, you know, and
papers and things like that. If you had told me
that the tricorder and the communicator from this original Star

(58:43):
Trek series were going to be reality in my lifetime,
I would have called you a fool. Who was the fool?
So when you have people say that, oh, that phenomena
is not real because it doesn't fit within our scientific
understanding of the.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
Universe, who's the fool? That's right? And who's the dreamer?
And I don't want to. I don't want to dismiss
somebody's educational path. I don't want to dismiss their research.
I don't. But you build a bubble around you and
that is your understanding and you just stay right there.
That's fine. I do your thing, But don't dismiss somebody else. Yeah, don't.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah, don't dismiss their their lived experience because it has value,
even if you don't think it does, it has value
to them.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
It's like subspective. It's like somebody dismissing you, you know,
as a as a as a physicist, we're going to
dismiss your research because it doesn't fit us. Well, no, no,
we don't dismiss you, and you can't dismiss everything else
that's out there. I'm not a religious person. I'm not.

(59:56):
I don't know if you are. I know we've talked
about it, but but there are points in my life
where right now I'm going, you know, religion doesn't seem
so far fetched. It's like, it's really weird to me.
I've got through these phases with religion and with what
I know now about science. Uh, religion checks a lot

(01:00:21):
of boxes in the world of science.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Well, you know, and you yeah, I'll give you an example.
It's you know, I talked about it in one of
the chapters of my latest book is you know the cube,
the cube motif, the whole Metal Project cube. Right, you
go back and you look. Uh, the cube is talked about, Uh,
you know in ancient texts. It's it's the Temple of Solomon,

(01:00:46):
where the whole the arc of the Covenant was kept,
was a cube shaped room. It was a cube. It
was where the sacred was, it was where the the
voice of God was was inside of this cube. Uh.
In Mecca there's a thing called the Kaba, which is
a giant black cube which is held in high esteem

(01:01:06):
by Muslims. When Conservative Jews pray. They wear small black
leather cubes and I can't remember the name of it,
forgive me, on their arms and on their head that
holds little tiny sacred scrolls.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
What's the name of the cube in Mecca? The kaba
abb a man that looks pretty. That's pretty Cubish, Cubish.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And the weird thing is is you know what's in
the corner of the cobbo. Yeah, a meteorite, a meteorite
which was worshiped by the Polytheistic people before Islam, you know,
ran off the Polytheist and there was something special about
that meteorite that they stuck it in the corner of
this ancient Polytheistic pagan shrine before it was taken over

(01:01:58):
by Islam. So otherworldly, other worldly cube. There you go,
you move forward. And the John the Revelator, when you
know he was imprisoned and wrote the Book of Revelations
when the New Jerusalem came down, it was a perfect cube,
fourteen hundred miles on each side.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Yeah. Somebody just posted hold on, so check this out.
I love this. Hold on. Somebody just said, actually it
is a stone with Profet Abraham's footprint, and yes, and no,
and I'll say this, Yeah, that's fine. Okay, that's what

(01:02:40):
you want to say or what you want to know
about it. That's fine. It's not tested. It's so worn out.
It's been kissed and touched by millions and millions and
millions and millions of people, so it's been reshaped and
everything else. So, uh, is there the footprint of Mohammed

(01:03:04):
in that? Is that? What he said? Abraham profit Abraham's footprint.
That would be pretty interesting if a meteorite had, you know,
little footprint embedded in it. But by all accounts, we
can't test it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Yeah, and that's you know, and that's that's that's what
the word faith means. You know, you have to take
some things on faith.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
But you know, moving forward with a cube motif you
go into alchemy, and the alchemist had something called the
prima materia, which was the prime material, which is the element,
the basic element of all matter, and the alchemist represented
it as a black cube. That was how they symbolized
it as a black cube. So you know, and then

(01:03:52):
you go and you look at the uh, you know,
the famous Carl Higden case in Wyoming where he was
taking aboard a cube shaped craft, you know, and these
cubes seem to be everywhere. You know, Katie Page talks about,
you know, the boxes and cubes at the Colorado ranch.
I got to go actually see the place where those
cubes were there in Colorado, Skinwalker Ranches.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Had cubes, the meadow has had cubes. So you know, now,
what about Cuba? That has to be a very sound kidding.
Remember the testimony in Congress then we got to take
a break. The testimony at the last uap UFO hearing
was about the cube out at Vandenburg and it was read,

(01:04:40):
by the way, and I find that so many When
I asked Lawrence Krause, I had Lawrence Krause on the
show last week, by the way, right, and mister big time.
I love Lawrence, I really do his his very bright mind.
But when I asked him about that, you know what
he said, they're lying, they're making it up. I'm like, man,

(01:05:05):
as we were talking about the military under oath at
Congress and they just want to write a book. Really,
that's the closed mindedness I'm talking about. Yeah, you know
just that not no, it's a lie. Oh you know,
what are you going to do? Tray stay right there,

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I'm your summi church. Tonight, Trey Hudson is with us.
He's got two films out, The Meadow Project and a
short documentary called The Helm and the Lens, and we're
talking about all of that tonight in the high strangeness
that he investigates. Trey, where can everybody check out The
Metal Project? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Both books are out in Amazon right now, and you know,
just go in and go in the search bar on Amazon,
type in Trey Hudson or that idiot Hudson or you
know something I just Trey Hudson. That'll work and you
know it'll come up. The two books of the Metal
Project and Return to the Meadow.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
The really cool thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
About The Metal Project is that talks about our explorations
into the Meadow from about twenty sixteen, our very early
stuff up until about twenty twenty, and then Return to
the Meadow is from twenty twenty to roughly November of
last year. And the really cool thing about the the
second book is since then, I have brought a psychotherapist

(01:10:42):
onto our team, my brother Shay, who you know, is
our psychotherapist hypnotherapist, and we've done some hypnotic aggression with
some of our team members that have had some of
the most bizarre high strangeness. And the stuff that came
out of those hypnot regression sessions was, uh, depending on

(01:11:05):
the optics, could be terrifying or could be enlightening, you know,
depending on how you looked at it. But uh so
we had some uh, you know, some pretty cool stuff
with that. So both books are available on Amazon. And
then the films, uh, we just released those. I'm very
proud of those. I worked with Merkele Films and Dark
Hollar Studios on those. I'm really proud of that project.

(01:11:28):
You can go to merclefilms dot com and there's a
really cool bundle that has the Metal Project, Lens and Helm.
And then something we're doing with this film is we're
crowdsourcing some of the research.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Is there's an.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Unedited footage of some of the expeditions that we did
during our week of filming out there and people can
actually go and watch this unedited footage and if there's
something that we missed, that we did not experience or
did not detect, you know, let us know, because you know,
that way the viewer can be part of the experience
and actually be part of the research team themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
We've got the link up in the chat for Merkele
Films and uh yeah, here we go. There it is
and uh oh, this is just it's a it's right there.
I'm scrolling through Merkles. Really cool. So everybody head over

(01:12:23):
to Merkele Films and self explanatory from from there out.
Oh oh oh, I have to mention you just breezed
past this. You did my brother in quotes air quotes
explain good sir. Oh, well, that's that's your fault. M

(01:12:45):
that's not my fault.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Is we have a it's really strange, is uh is.
I work with my alma matero University of West Georgia
that has a trans personal and Humanistic psychology department that
does parapsychology and stuff like that. And I was speaking
to a professor out there. I'd gone and done some
lectures there on the Meadow project, and you know, I

(01:13:07):
told him. I said, we're you know, we're looking for
a you know, a hypnotherapist because there's some regression you know,
work that I want done, you know, with some of
our team members, and we need to have somebody that
we can reach out to. And he recommended a guy
by the name of Shae Hudson s h a Ye,
who also happened to be a former Army intelligence guy.

(01:13:27):
So you have Shae Hudson and Trey Hudson both together
in the Anomalos Studies and Observation Group. Well, Shay and
his lovely wife Christy had a chance of meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Uh. I think I met you at a contact in
the desert. I believe maybe the third time. It was
a while ago. I mean I've known them for such
a long time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
And it was funny because I said, yeah, you know,
if you see Jimmy Church and like, well, you mean
the Jimmy Church. He said, yeah, just you go up
and tell him. I said, Hi, you know, it's okay
because I'm in a messy jim a. If you see
these two guys, you know you're they're friends of mine,
and so Jimmy, uh, you know, took a look at
Shaye and he's like, he kind of looks like Trey.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
They had this their brothers. I just assumed. I just assumed,
you know, it was just the funniest thing. And he
pulls me aside, he goes, we're not brothers, and I'm
just like, now you're messing with me, right, You're just
messing with me because you are right. No, we're not. Ah,
So it's stuck. It just stuck, and it will never

(01:14:33):
go away. I love those two. Those two are the
coolest of the cool and they're listening right now, and
so we that's it. Fanboy stuff is ending right now.
But uh, just the title Helman lens that allows your

(01:14:55):
nogging right now to just just go into a man. Yeah, yeah,
it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Let me backtrack a little bit. Is you know, we
filmed the Metal Project. And the cool thing about the
Metal Project of the film, the ninety minute feature film,
is you will see the portal video. You will see
the bigfoot cold Bigfoot thing we talked about. You will
hear the people that actually experience this stuff being interviewed,

(01:15:26):
you know, the actually experiencers themselves. And then you'll get
to be with Tony and and Joel and Ward as
they do their own investigation. So there's a lot of
really cool stuff there in the Metal Project. The first
time that the actual portal video has been made public,
you know, very wide, so it's out there. And so

(01:15:50):
you know, whenever you make a film, and you know
this from you know, working with guy and stuff, this
stuff ends up on the cutting room floor. You can't
cram everything into a ninety minute film. So one of
the things that ded up on the cutting room floor
was a god helmet session that we did with one
of our team members named Sean. Shaan's a retired police officer,
former marine, you know, pretty pretty you know, nuts and

(01:16:11):
bolts kind of guy, and the session that he did
was just too cool to discount, you know, it was
too cool not to put somewhere. So I was discussing
it with Wardheini, the director, and uh, there's a gentleman
by the name of Stephen Leah who was with Hidden

(01:16:33):
World's Quantum Imagery and some of your listeners may remember
him from both the Skinwalker Ranch show, Secret of Skinwalker
Ranch and also Mystery of Blind Frog Ranch. He has
a process called a quantum analysis where he'll take still
images and he is able to collapse the waveform using

(01:16:54):
a patented technology and pull quantum data out of this
still image, and he was the one that discovered the
big keyhole like uh anomaly under blind Frog Ranch using
this quantum analysis from from imagery. And so Steven volunteered
to take a look at some of our data, not

(01:17:19):
only with the Moto project in general, but with Sean's
God Helmet session specifically. Now people that aren't familiar with
the God Helmet was developed by Stanley Corn. I've got
my notes right here Stanley Corn and Michael Persinger at
Lorenthian University in Canada, and that the theory behind it

(01:17:39):
was they were studying people that have mystical experiences, and
they would take the part of the brain that is
responsible for your fight flight or fight or flight and
also responsible for mystical religious topic experiences, which happens to
be your left amygdala, you know, in your brain, and

(01:17:59):
then they would bombard the leftimygdala with electromagnetic energy and
have people inside of a Faraday Cage sound booth, and
people would talk about having the feelings of a spiritual presence,
you know, some beings were with them, they could feel them,
they saw God, you know they had these experiences.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Well, maybe just.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Being the diabolical guy I am. I'm like, hey, maybe
I can take some of our team members and I
can bombard their migdalas with electromagnetic fields. So I purchased
a god helmet and we rigged it up to where
it's field deployable. I can actually take it into anywhere.
It runs off of a battery pack, you know, with
a laptop and all of that, And thought, what if

(01:18:47):
we take that that technology and we do it at
the meadow? How cool would that be?

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
I do it? I do it. I do it. Well,
did you do anything? You do anything? For dollar? Jimmy,
you know that. I tell you what. I'm in the
middle of a binging the TV series Fringe for like
the third time, and these ideas which are presented so
well in Fringe. I think the brain is probably the

(01:19:19):
most perfect invention that we know of in the entire universe,
the human grand It's incredible, and we know nothing, we
know nothing about it nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
And we and we think it's a three dimensional organ
and it's not. That's how you do remote viewing and
telekinesis and all that stuff, and that's that's that is
part of what this experiment was. So we took Sean
during this filming in November and we hooked them up
to the God helmet and the experiment that we ran

(01:19:49):
was a forty hrtz signal that runs around the brain
and it creates something called a hemispherical intrusion. You're making
different parts of the brain cooperate with one another that
usually don't work together. Your right brain and your left
brain have very distinctive roles, you know, as you go

(01:20:10):
through life, and they don't talk to each other that often.
But by having a rotating forty herd signal, now the
brain is now becoming more holistic. It's the same theory
as binural beats that the Monroe Institute uses with hemi sync.
So we did twenty minutes of juicing up his brain

(01:20:33):
with a forty herd signal. Then the program jumped over
to just emitting the signal to his left amigdalo. So
the footage is I want you to imagine this is
in the documentary helm and lenses. He is in a
tent or a canopy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
I'm watching it as here describing it. So I'm just
letting you know the meta. I'm watching the helm and
the lens right here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
And so he's sitting in a canopy and his left
side is that's where we're pumping the signal into. And
on his right side viewer left is kind of an
open wooded area. Now, the interesting thing is that open
wooded area to his left is actually the trail to
the meadow. That's actually he walked past the past the

(01:21:20):
canopy down to the meadow. So we took we filmed
this and we asked, we interviewed him or what did
he experience, and he describes having visions of four beings
around him. You know, he felt like there were four
beings around him and he had these these visions of
these beings and he had those visions of going down
a long hallway and at the end of the hallway

(01:21:43):
was a black cube. And so you know, this is
this is his experience. We did not tell Stephen Leah
any of this. All we did is we sent him
the uh, the footage of him sitting in the chair
going through the god helmet session. So Stephen never saw

(01:22:05):
the interview. So Stephen uses his quantum analysis methodology, his
protocol and we're Wardheini the director and I are with
Steven as he's going through this, and he goes, Okay,
you sent me this video of a guy having his
brain waves measured. He goes, but for some reason, he goes,

(01:22:27):
there's something weird going on with the left side of
his skull. It's like something is entering the left side
of a skull.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Sean looks very no nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah, he's a he's a very no nonsense like I said,
you know, retired as a cop, you know, metro Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
He is who you want with you at a bar.
Oh yeah, yeah, he's Yeah, he's a no nonsense guy.
But he's got he is geared up. Yeah. Wow, wow,
this is it's so pretty incredible. It's shot by the way,
let me just say this shot really well. It is

(01:23:09):
very well shot, very very good production. VI. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
this is uh it starting to scare me. I'm starting
to get a little nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Oh, it gets weird because you know, Steven says, you know,
I don't know why this is. You're just measuring the
guy's brain waves, but why is why did it look
like there's energy entering the left side of his head.
And it's like, Steven, we were pumping electro magnetic energy
into the left side of his head, and he goes,

(01:23:40):
do this guy know y'all are doing that, and it's like, yes,
he volunteered for it. And he goes, yo, yo, you
shouldn't be doing that to this poor guy, you know,
and for something. And about that time he he confuses
him and thinks his name is Kyle, so you will
hear him talk about Kyle the whole time, but it's
actually shot. And then he starts doing you pulling this data,
collapsing the quantum field and pulling this data out right

(01:24:01):
before our eyes, and he says, there's something going on
with his head. He goes, there's a trus a toroidal
field right where his head is. And he says, there's
like a black spot, you know, right on top of
right on his forehead. And I said, have you ever
heard of something called the third eye? And he goes, no,

(01:24:23):
I said, that is you know, people say that that
is a manifestation of the pineal gland, you know, as
it awakens. And he says, yes, it's like this toroidal
field is, you know, energy is rotating around his head.
And he goes and the really odd thing is, he goes,
when I look out to the left side of you know, screen,

(01:24:43):
left to his right side. He goes, it's like there
are these things pumping out of the right side of
his head and they're manifesting to the left of the canopy.
And he says, there are faces and he calls them
a cranel malefacial signatures, which are basically heads. There are

(01:25:05):
all these heads floating around like demon heads.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
Was he seeing those? I mean, I could pull up
the audio. I'm not going to do that. Yeah, but here,
hold on, I don't even know if everybody can hear this.
From that, it turned into can you hear that? I
just started seeing faces? Okay, that was reminiscent of a
human face. Yeah, I can't play the audio. Sewn is

(01:25:31):
describing what he's seeing. Could he see the skulls the faces?

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
No, no, he just he just Sean experienced the beings.
But where it gets really weird is the faces we're
manifesting to the left of the screen. Sean's right into
the area that leads down to the meadow. And then
Stephen goes, why am I seeing these faces and boxes

(01:26:01):
or cubes? That doesn't make any sense. What do cubes
have to do with this? And then we explained to
him that the portal originally was in the form of
a thermal cube and that's how we detected it. And
what is also weird is I sent some video to

(01:26:25):
one of Moufon's photo analysts, Seth Feinstein, and he used
some of the same techno quantum technology, and he's like,
why am I seeing a big box in this video
you sent me that y'all were taking out at the
meadow And I said, well, Seth, that's where the cube was,

(01:26:46):
and he goes, dude, I'm telling you it's still there
in a quantum state. It never left. It still exists.
And as this quantum analysis is being done with more
and more stuff in the meadow, and this is this
is the disturbing thing is these entities and these beings.

(01:27:06):
We thought that it was a one off when we
dealt with them with the portal in a one offer,
and we dealt with them with the esties, it's not.
They are around us at all times, every single moment
of every single day. Not only are we not alone,
we're never alone. These things are always with us, and

(01:27:31):
they choose when and where to interact with us.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
Have you put the god helmet on yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
And nothing is that is, you know, nothing as phenomenal
as that. We have two individuals that have had some
pretty phenomenal experiences. One of them is very personal that
I'm not going to share without permission of the person.
But it changed their life. They were actually communicating. I'm

(01:28:00):
not going to go into details. They actually we're communicating
with one of our dead team members after the got
Helma session and it was one of those things that
they were not expecting it. They were literally leaving camp,
going home, and here's this dead team member that they
didn't even didn't even know, they didn't know the guy,

(01:28:22):
and he's talking to them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
There's an attraction. You guys are sending off. How do
I say this? You guys are sending off a beacon.
You're lighting a flare and you're lighting a flay. You
got us frigging Hollywood World premiere spotlight show going on?
You know what I mean? When when he brought a bigfoot? Okay,

(01:28:45):
so it's the chicken or the egg? Why is bigfoot there?
Is bigfoot there because of you? Is bigfoot there because
of the entities? Is bigfoot there just to watch the show?
As was he called in? Was bigfoot there first and
there you know what I mean, there's it's like this,
But why is you know, is it because you guys
are lighting off the rescue flare? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
But well two ways of looking at that is the
god helmet. What we have found is we can take
a team member, we can run them through a god
helmet session, and it boosts other people's experiences at the meadow,
not just there's other people. It's like priming the pump
for high strangeness for that expedition. So I think it's
doing two things.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
I think, like you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Said, it's like lighting a flare on a dark night,
you know, like you know, like off the coast of
San Diego, if you see you know, a military flare
from an aircraft, you can see it for thirty or
forty miles, you know, forever. So it's like that that
bright beacon in the dark. And I don't mean dark allegorically,
I'm just using that as an example. And or by

(01:29:53):
using the god helmet, is it opens up that receiver
we talked about, you know, receiving a single on a
ham radio frequency. It opens up that frequency band that
gated you know, limits on what you can perceive and
now the person that goes through that can perceive more
that It doesn't mean it's brand new. It means they're

(01:30:14):
just now able to perceive something that's always been there.
And that's the you know, that's the part that's really amazing,
is that these things are always there. And when I
started having you know, the quantum analysis done on some
of our older work and some of our current work,
it validated the last nine years of our research. You know,

(01:30:37):
it absolutely coincides with what we've been saying and what
we've been experiencing for the last nine years.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
I can't, I can't take my eyes off of this. Yeah,
it's I can't take my eyes off of it. We
put up the links, everybody, and let me back out
of this for a second here. Oh I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Yeah, it's you can't take your eyes. It's just so breathtaking.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
It's Have you thought about Ah, probably not, you're such
a straight shooter. Have you thought about the god helmet
and the meadow with d MT? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
And absolutely, Uh, there's a reason why I kind of no,
I know exactly why you're asking, because I actually, uh,
the professor uh that I work with at University of
West Georgia just wrote a paper on Alauaska and uh
in consciousness. He just wrote a paper on it, and

(01:31:49):
he and I have talked about you know, this kind
of stuff is absolutely, absolutely absolutely cybercillin d MT. I
think would be uh, very interesting to do. I think
it would be very dangerous if not done properly.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
It's got to be done properly.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
And that's and it's not an accident. We have a
psychotherapist on our staff. I think would have to be
done very carefully. But I think that we are doing
something very similar with the god helmet that d m
T does, you know, using the chemical uh, you know
process in the brain and it basically opens up you

(01:32:32):
know what you know Huxley called the Doors of Perception,
you know that, and you know which was a book about,
you know, expanding your awareness through the use of various substances.
And I think it's I think it's breathtaking and there's
been so much study done on that that people that
go through these experiences. And I talked about it earlier

(01:32:54):
when you ask me, how did I take it? And
I found it very comforting and I found it very enlightening.
I took great comfort in that knowing that there's more
out there. Other people could be terrified with it. And
that's why you have to be in the right state
of mind. And this stuff is not for the faint
of heart.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
I was so before I did d MT. I did
it twice because of the research I'd done into it.
It was a little I got I'm not gonna lie.
I was a little scared. I was a little frightened.
I did it for research purposes only. This wasn't some
you know, e ticket to Disneyland. That wasn't my intention.

(01:33:34):
I just wanted to understand it. Yeah, So anyway, I
was nervous. It was so extraordinary and so profound. It's
such a paradigm shift. First off, there was nothing scary
about it at all. It was it was enlightening. But

(01:33:59):
this is that's what it exposed me, and this is
why I tie it back into the meadow. There is
a bonafide real thing that we do not perceive. It's
a real world. It's just the same as the one
we're visiting right now. You go and you see it

(01:34:22):
and your brain is processing it and it's like wait, wait, wait, wait,
and it has nothing to do with this reality. It's
it's just another world, another universe, whatever you want, another dimension,
and quite possibly this is what you guys are experiencing
at the meadow.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Exactly what we're experiencing at the meadow is is I
think we're reaching kind of the same conclusion using a
little bit different means. But it's important that both using
chemical DMT, cyberclin whatever, and electromagnetic stimulation of various parts
of the brain, specifically the amygdala, is you're creating an
awareness beyond our three dimensions, you know. But it's the

(01:35:06):
same phenomena, just using different methodology. Like you know, I
can you know, cure depression using an orbit clast in
a lobotomy, or I can cure depression using medication, same ends,
different methods, you know. One's you know, pretty brutal.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
One isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
I'm not saying d MT or doubt helmets one's better
than the other. They're just different paths to the same
same destination.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
I think I can only imagine doing it at the
same time. What about Sean? Can I ask about Sean?
How's he doing his as his world changed? Uh? Well,
you asked, do you really want to hear this next?
I do? I do want to hear it. Watching him
on the screen, I wasn't listening. I was just but
watching him just you know, he's using his hands and

(01:35:54):
describing the experience. You could tell it was very profound
to him.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
It was so you know, after that, that was That
was in November. So we went to another expedition. There's
we we kind of have a cross pollin pollination, you know,
in this part of the country of different research groups.
So there was another research group that has a lot
of the same members. I'm not in charge of this
other group had gone to a location uh in another state,

(01:36:23):
and we're looking at primarily bigfoot right now, We've I've
experienced you know, bigfooty kind of stuff there. And you
know there's some names I'd mentioned and you would recognize
them that have experienced big footy stuff there. So we
went there, uh and went to an area that we
had experienced stuff before. That was the area where I

(01:36:43):
told you that another team member on another expedition had
filmed a a sasquatch type creature with a lower body temperature, uh,
you know than the ambient surrounding this is. This was
that place. So we went back to that place. We
had multiple teams set up and Sean and as we
say here in the South, bless her heart, a brand

(01:37:04):
new member of this team. You know, it was just
this was her first experience. She and Sean were sitting
in an area that they call ambush Alley and it's
like a sunken road that goes through a hill. And
they caught ambush Alley because it'd be where you would
militarily ambush somebody. And so they're sitting there and we're
all in radio communications and Sean comes over the radio

(01:37:28):
and he says, we're starting to experience phenomenon. This is
in June, just a few months ago, right after about
five months or six months after his got home and experience.
He says, we're having experience. We're experiencing phenomena around us.

(01:37:50):
They're all around us. And then he says, yes, I
can hear them moving. They're all around us. And then
the next radio train, his mission is something to akin
to I don't know what's happening. Where am I. Something's wrong.
I don't know where I am. And then it's like

(01:38:14):
you know, are you you know? Are are you okay?
Do we need to send a team to get to you?
And he says, I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
This is this is big Sean. Yeah, wow, Sean Sean is.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
He is?

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
He is lawn. You can tell he is. He's a
serious guy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
So we we started dispatching teams to him. Now, unfortunately
we were behind a gated area on public land, so
we were on foot, so we were hoofing it to
him as fast as we could. And the other team
that got to had a er nurse and he got there.

(01:39:05):
They were both very upset, very agitated, and we started
debriefing them. And during their debriefing, they said the environment changed,
like the trees that were in front of them in
the normal environment were not there anymore, and this fog

(01:39:27):
came in and like surrounded their little capsule of reality.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Here we go, and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
It got so weird that they grabbed hands and they said,
I don't know if I'm real anymore. I don't know
who I am. And they were totally under I'm not
going to say control, but they were at the mercy
of whatever this phenomenon was, because there was absolutely nothing

(01:39:56):
they could do, and it was so severe, so profound,
they didn't even know if they were people anymore. And
then they didn't know if they were going to come back,
and they were visibly upset.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
It's just as scary as it as it can be, right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
And so we were able to get there. We were
able to you know, kind of get everything calm back down, hydrate.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Uh. They wrote there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Uh, they went back to the camp, kind of talked
a little bit about it. They wanted to be alone,
you know, they didn't they want people fawning over them.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
And they wrote their statements and submitted their statements, you know,
for for records, and their world was different. So I
have to wonder, since that was such a profound happening,
such a profound experience away from the meadow, if Sean
was not touched by that gout helmet session, if it

(01:41:04):
did not open a door.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
To where.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
His reality is not necessarily always based firmly on terra firma.
That's right, that's right, that he can wink in and out.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
And how many times do we have to hear this story? Right,
Once somebody has an experience, something changes where now you know,
the mind is open and you perceive things that you've
never noticed before. You know that that went past you before.

(01:41:44):
I think there was something to.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
That yeah, yeah, absolutely. A very mundane example is I
bought a camper. You know, I'm over sixty years old
and I'm tired of sleeping on the ground, so yeah,
I use a camper.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
You and I talked about that, and you know, before then,
I never really noticed campers, but now they're everywhere because
I'm dialed into recognizing campers. And I think that's the
same phenomena is, you know, this stuff probably goes on
around us all the time and we're just hey, we're
not paying attention because it's you know, it's not on

(01:42:22):
our you know, not on our radar screen. And number two,
we don't have the ability, we don't have the psychological
or psychic ability to recognize this stuff. And when you
finally open up that eye, that other eye, you open
up your vision, but beyond the infrared and ultra violet,
you open up that radio frequency, beyond the gated you

(01:42:44):
know reality that we are all told ever since we're
little kids, this is what is real, and anything outside
of this doesn't exist. I think your world becomes very strange,
and it becomes very wonderful too.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
You know, the ancient cultures have been documenting this, have
been writing this down. Have been referencing this on every front,
whether it's spirituality or non spiritual, or it's religious, or
it's just experiences in general, the afterlife and spirits and

(01:43:18):
other dimensions. And it's like one of the most documented
things that we have, you know what I mean. It
feels like we're just waking up to this again. Something
was shut off, something was shut off in US. I
don't know what it was, but now it's starting to
come back.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
I think during the Enlightenment period, you know, we all culturally,
especially in the West, were dropped and prostrated ourselves before
the altar of science. You know, all hal science. You know,
if it can't be explained by science, it doesn't exist.
And you know, don't hear what I'm not saying. I'm
very happy for science. We have people living now because

(01:43:59):
of open heart surgery and radiation treatments for cancer and
you know, wonderful things. But you know, I think that
we lost that that magical part of ourselves that's always
been there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
You know, kids are born with it, and then we
just programmed it out. Yeah, yeah, I think So.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
There's a there's a really cool, uh science fiction story
called Mimsy Whimsy where the Murrah Groves I think that's
the name of it. It's from a uh Lewis Carroll
poem and it talks about how aliens uh in this
story come down and they give these kids these really weird,
non euclidian, multi dimensional toys to play with, and it

(01:44:35):
certain kids are build up this ability, you know, to
experience these multi dimensional creatures, and it's they're not dumbed
down by you know, education. You know, they're not told
that it's not real. You know, they're not told it's
all imaginary. That their their awareness is expanded by these creatures.
So it's it's kind of a cool uh story that
kind of you know, goes along that premise that kids,

(01:44:58):
you know, talk about the imaginary play uh you know,
playmate in the corner, or you know, they're they see
their Paul Paul in their bedrooms at night, you know,
things like that, and or the monsters you know under
the bed, the other the other unseemly part of you know,
other worlds. And we're quick as adults number one to

(01:45:20):
calm the kids down so they're not afraid, because we
don't want our children to be afraid or you know,
fearful is you're imagining that that's not real, when in fact,
you know, if we really go back and we look
at our cultural consciousness, if we look at our genetic memory,
we know, deep down, you know, in a very primal state,
that yet is reel. It's all too real.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
My my uncle Bill, who's been on Fade to Black
as a guest. Right, my uncle Bill, helicopter pilot, three
tours in nom Okay. All right, Now, my uncle Bill,
when I was a kid, I'm going to say I
was five, and if I was five, he would have

(01:46:03):
been fifteen, okay, all right, or eighteen in that area.
I'm five six years old. I think he's about ten
years older than me. I'm sixty two. He's probably seventy
two now anyway. So when we were kids going up
to my grandparents' house, he still lived there. And on
the second floor, this is a Michigan, was a bedroom

(01:46:28):
that me and my brother Mike slept in. All right.
In this bedroom next to the bed was the attic door.
It's like three foot by three foot right right next
to the bed. Right there. My frigging uncle Bill is
in the next bedroom over and this is what he

(01:46:50):
does about five son of a bitch. And I'm in bed, right,
it's Christmas. I'm in bed. And he's like, okay, Jimmy,
the door next to you, that's where the monster lives, right,
And I'm looking. I'm looking at the door, man, it's
right next to the bed. And he tells me this

(01:47:13):
whole story about the monster that lives in the attic
behind the door. Now is there a monster? Right? Well? Yes,
to me, there was right, there's only no. It's like
Schrodinger's cat until you open up the door. Maybe there's
a monster there. And I don't know. I don't know,

(01:47:35):
but this is part of my growing up. I never
had I almost called you say I did. I did. Man.
Now she's laughing at that. Right now, he's like, got him,
I got him, I got him, I got him. Job

(01:47:55):
job done. Is that I never had anybody tell me
that this stuff doesn't exist. I never did. No. I
never had any teachers, any anybody else tell me that
UFOs aren't real, that monsters that when you and I
were growing up, it was all about the Lockness monster,

(01:48:15):
wasn't it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know the Bermuda
triangle in search of with I never I never had
anybody tell me no. So I was able to just
go and research and think about these things.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
Yeah, and that and that's that's kind of cool that
you mentioned that, because, you know, the same thing in
my family. I'm actually looking at a copy of the
book Gods of Aquarius. That was you know, when I
was a you know, little little kid. My dad bought
that book and I just thought it was absolutely the
coolest book in the world, you know. But Brad Steiger
and uh, you know, he and I would discuss this stuff,
and you know, probably one of the before he passed

(01:48:51):
away from COVID, the biggest fan of the Meadow project
was my father, because he was always very interested into
this stuff. And so, you know, I think, you know,
you and I had kind of the same upbringing. Is
you know, we were never told no. You know, I
was the kid sitting on the back of the bus.
I didn't have a football magazine. I had a UFO
magazine or a big Foot magazine. And uh, you know,

(01:49:14):
maybe that's maybe that's why we're cut out of the
same cloth to be interested and explore these mysteries. You know,
maybe they're those of us that you know don't find
it strange that that maybe the monster is behind the door.
But maybe the monster really isn't a monster. Maybe it's
just something we don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
It's amazing. How uh uh. I'm going to use the
word programming. But what we're taught as kids from our
family and our parents stays as the foundation throughout your life. Yeah,
So whatever that is, if it's a science background, if
it's a religious upbringing, what is sports, right? You know,

(01:49:54):
whatever it did, whatever it did, you know, you stay
right there and you I wonder about other things, but
where you are is where you are, and that's okay
for me and for you. I never had I never had.
I never had any adult guidance and sensibility around me

(01:50:16):
to to steer me off of this path. And I
know that I'm going to say this so I can
offend everybody, and I'll just just everybody at one crack. I.
Science has taught me one thing, that there is something

(01:50:41):
intelligent and spiritual behind it all. It hasn't. Science hasn't
taken me off of it. Science wants to take me
off of that, right, And there's more atheists and science
than anything else. But it's such a small minority. I'm
I'm more and more, uh, leaning towards there's something else,

(01:51:07):
there's another intelligence. Call it what you want as far
as the label goes. But there's too many miracles when
it comes to us, there's too many.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
I agree, I agree, Yeah, I mean it's just yeah, statistically,
you look at you know, human beings being here and
Earth being in the perfect Goldilock spot and all that,
it's like, yeah, there seems to be And you hear
the term intelligent design. That's you know, that's the secular
you know term out there. And you start hearing more

(01:51:40):
and more scientists saying, you know, we start looking at
this from you know, different optics and science, and there
seems to be some structure to it. It doesn't seem
to be random or accidental. And uh, you know, once again,
I find comfort in that. You know that that makes me,
uh makes me happy, you know, it makes me content.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Do you remember Time Life had that book series on
the Supernatural they advertised it on TV. I had a neighbor.
Now this is going back. We're talking about seventy two. Yeah,
you know in there, Yeah, that's going back. And I
remember a neighbor of mine got the set of books.

(01:52:26):
That's cool, and I was sitting there. Now I was younger.
It might have been yeah, seventy two, so I was
like nine eight years old and I pounded those books.
Oh yeah, I mean I couldn't believe it. And then
we moved. I moved and I had another neighbor that
had the same set of books. My parents didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
But I was okay, now you're going to make me
go on eBay and try to find a set of
those books and spend two thousand dollars to get a set.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
Now, thank you, thank you, Jimmy. I wonder what they're called.
Hold On, somebody put up the name. What was that
book series? Hold On? Time Life? It was Time Life? Right,
Time Life? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, Supernatural Supernatural.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
I think they had like one book on like UFOs
and one book on Telekonese or psych.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
Twenty eight volumes. Yeah, there you go, wow, Wow, there
it is right there. There's the addition Night Creatures. You
can buy the whole set. Okay, thirty three volumes, four
hundred bucks, that's not too bad, and twenty two here
eBay one fifty nine there it is Vampire's.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
Ghost and Mysterious Powers.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean we're a big celebrity like you.
That's that's Chump chain Man Man Man, the UFO Phenomena,
Psychic Voyages, Spirit Summonings. I'm looking at that the titles
of the book Visions and Prophecies. I totally remember that.
Remember that vision there it is phantom Encounters, Hauntings, Mind

(01:54:04):
over Matter man. That is great. Yeah, yeah, you can
get a couple of you can buy the set. So
you're gonna have a set next time we talk. I
think so. I think so. It takes me right back
to my childhood. Yeah, sure to have Uh didn't I

(01:54:27):
mean Encyclopedia Britannica, right, or you know Time Life. If
you're a kid and you see this and it's Time Life,
well then it's real. Oh yeah, it's legitimate. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Well it's like you know the series In Search of It.
It's got Leonard Nemore from Star Trek on it. It's
got to be good. And you know, I ended up
buying the entire set on DVD of In Search of
you know, and that's in the.

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
Time Life series. You know that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
I remember those two you know, uh, Crillion Photography. I
remember reading about Crillion Potography.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
You know me, I did go I got in Search
of And I forgot how incredible that was. I mean
I watched it when it was, you know, in its
first run on TV. And who was the other guy,

(01:55:21):
the the detective guy he'd wear the the the London
fog with the heck, that's that was Robert? Was that
Robert Stack? Yeah? Robert Stack? What was that? That was
Unsolved mystery Man? That was the best. Yeah, that was
the best. Yeah. We we have versions of it now,

(01:55:43):
but back then, to me, it was just like sixty minutes.
There wasn't any different it was. It was legit to
me like that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
But but you know what I think is the coolest
thing for me personally is you know, I grew up
watching you know, in search of and Unsolved Mysteries, and
you know, all of these shows Sightings, sightings, and I'm
living it now. I'm that guy and that's and I
get to share this with everybody, and that is so rewarding.

(01:56:12):
That is so incredibly you know, just meaningful to me
to not only do this, but to take other people
on the journey. Is I explore some of these mysteries myself.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
Isn't it a great feeling? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
It's fantastic. I mean It's just I you know, I
tell people that thirty four years in the government was
my job. This is my vocation, this is what I
love doing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
I Uh, when people ask me about that, they have
a perception of me, and I try to just like
get it all corrected. Man, I'm just you. I'm no different,
you know. Just so we're talking about time life sightings,

(01:56:55):
unsolved mysteries right in search of uh, chariots of the gods,
you know, oh yeah, right right right, that's Coast to
Coast Coast to Coast. Man. I'm I listened to Coast
to Coast before I was a host of Coast to Coast.
You know, I'm just like any I was going to

(01:57:17):
these conferences, I was doing all of this stuff. I
was going to the move on meetings, and you know
that's I'm just like, who the the people that listen
to the show, that are in the chat or part
of the live audience, or that listen to it later.
I was that person. I couldn't you know the first
search I did when I got the internet back in

(01:57:39):
ninety three, ninety four whenever that was.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Oh gosh, yeah, you're talking about news groups and all
that kind.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
Of before there when I finally got whatever it was,
like Mosaic or whatever that first search engine was. That
was a big deal, right to download the search engine?
Yeah right, the first dude UFO. That's a that was
my first search. Yeah, I know what other people's first

(01:58:09):
searches are. That wasn't mine, right, Mine was UFO. I
went straight there, and I uh, I felt and it
turned out to not be wrong. I felt that UFOs
and the subjects of of of et and abductions and

(01:58:30):
everything else was what the Internet was built for. I
really and I don't think I'm wrong. I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Yeah, well, I mean there are people, you know, there
are you know, people that would have never met each
other or never heard these experiences or heard other people's experiences.
You know, there were people that were sitting there silently
thinking they're going crazy because they have never talked to
another person that had a like experience. You know, they're

(01:59:00):
people thinking that, you know, I must have seen something,
you know, and I imagined it because you know, these
things can't be real. I'm told they're not real. And
then you know through you know, new originally news groups,
you know, I remember being on news groups back and
AOL dial up days, you know, and then uh the

(01:59:21):
world Wide Web and uh forums, you know, people in
the different forums. I remember talking to a friend of
mine that was on the Coast to Coast forum. You know,
for years I talked about a lot of this stuff.
And you know, now, you know, with the explosion of
you know, podcast and YouTube channels and you know, uh
internet radio and all it's, people are not so isolated now.

(01:59:44):
And the people that you know we're having you know,
tremendous anxiety because of their experiences, they find a kindred voice,
you know, they find a you know, a kind ear
to talk to.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
Yeah, you're right though, to find a community. Back in
the day that there was a group called Paraanett Yeah, man,
and I just felt like I'm home, you know, these
are my people. And before that, the newsstand next to

(02:00:15):
my house, which was huge, one of the biggest in
the valley, on the corner of Van Eyes and Ventura Boulevard,
the Sherman Oaks newstand, ginormous, ginormous, one UFO magazine. Right.
Everything else there that you would want is that Borders books,
you know down the street. Okay, but this is that

(02:00:36):
that suddenly you had the Internet now right where if
you wanted to try to research this, you had an alternative.
You couldn't go do a newstand. You couldn't go into
a bookstore. Bookstore, you know, you remember that paranormal shelf. It
was like this wide.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Atlanta, Yeah Times and yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:57):
Yeah, Bermuda Triangle. You know, all the Roswell books and
so which I bought at my local borders. I bought
every book. I still have them, every book that they
had on the UFOs and the paranormal about everyone, Yeah,

(02:01:17):
every single thing is anything new that was released. When
Colonel Corso came out right the day after Roswell, that
was a big deal to me. Oh fresh meat, you know.
And I was able to go and buy. But the
Internet is what opened it up for me.

Speaker 2 (02:01:33):
Well, you talked about the Internet, and you know, you know,
they're pluses and minuses to the Amazon Empire.

Speaker 3 (02:01:40):
I'm not going to go into that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:41):
But the cool thing is guys like me, I can
write a book and I can get that book out
to millions of people where the big gatekeepers in the
publishing world would have never given me a foot in
the door.

Speaker 3 (02:01:58):
And now you have all.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
Of these voices, legitimate voices with an interesting story to
tell now have opportunities to share their information, their knowledge,
and their experiences through the Internet, you know, be it
printed word or ebooks or audio books, you know, through
this amazing, this amazing mechanism called the Internet.

Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
What a time to be alive. I know, I know,
I know, And it goes back to and I just
feel that I'm right that the Internet really helped this
community out. Yeah, it was just built for this community.
It was exactly for those reasons that you're just suggesting
right there. All of those gatekeepers for television, for radio,

(02:02:41):
for book publishing magazines, all of that is removed. Yep.
You don't have anybody there to tell you no right,
no pass pass. We don't validate parking if you get
out here. And no, those days are over. Those days

(02:03:03):
are over. And I want to thank you for everything, Trey,
that you have done. Once again. Uh, we have got
uh the links up for everything and you can uh
head straight over and check out the films and everything
else that they offer. What else do they have?

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
Let's see here, hold on for a second, and while
you're looking, Uh, what I recommend to people is to
get the full meadow experience. Is to do the books
and the film because the books, especially the first book,
really goes into a lot of the experiences that they
talk about in the films, and there's a lot more data,
especially like in the hypnotic regression stuff that's in the

(02:03:43):
second book that's touched on in the film. So you know,
it's kind of a you know, it's kind of a
full meal deal. So if you don't get a little toy.

Speaker 3 (02:03:51):
How do you spell uh the name of the company?
B well, which company is that the film company? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:04:00):
That's uh, it's Merkle Films. Oh, it's Myrkelefilms dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:04:07):
I was doing Burkele for some reason. No Merle. Yeah.
So everything is right here. And so when you first
jump in to their website, the Metal Project is right
on the top, and uh, everything is right there Myrkele Films.
Thank you so much, Bill for yeah there it is.
Thank you for putting that up in the chat once again, Trey,

(02:04:30):
I'll see you soon, my friend. Behave and be well,
and just thank you for everything. Thank you, Take care,
Trey Hudson, everybody. Trey's links are below and over on
our website and throughout social media. It's Merkelefilms dot com.
Go and check it out. And of course his books
are right there on Amazon and we do have let me, uh,

(02:04:54):
I've got to do one thing really quick so I
can pop this up in real time. It is Trey
Hudsonresearch dot com. And you head over there. Books are
there and everything that he is doing, and you can
reach out to Trey. All right, thank you so much.
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