FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Brooke Ashley

Tonight, psychic-medium Brooke Ashley joins us to discuss the history of Halloween, spirits, ghosts, and what makes Halloween the coolest day of the season... and how she invistigates haunted locations... this is a not-to-miss show!!!

Episode Transcript

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This is Day to Black with your host Jimmy Church
on the Game Changer Radio Network. All Right, good evening.
How you doing? How you doing? It's fade to black?
Well you do that, that's why you're here. It's Tuesday,
October twenty eighth, twenty twenty five. Let's do this. Maynah. Yeah,

(01:23):
I'm in a great mood. I'm in a great mood.
It's Halloween week, man. How many times do I have
to say it on the show? How many times? How
many years have I said? Halloween is the best? Man?
It is? It is. I need everybody to just absorb
my world for a second. Absorb my get in my

(01:43):
head it, get get in there, Get in there. October
tenth is my birthday. A couple of weeks later, it's Halloween.
A couple of weeks later, it's Thanksgiving. Couple of weeks later,
it's Christmas. A couple of weeks later, it's New Year's.
This is my time, man, man, man, I love Halloween.

(02:04):
I do, I do. I love Halloween so much. I
had such a great time. As you can see, my
go tea is back. It didn't take long, right, it
didn't take long. I had to shave my go tea
so I could be dead Elvis for a Halloween party,
which was absolutely amazing. And going to that Halloween party,

(02:26):
which was vampire theme. That was the theme, all right,
So I went with my friends who were vampires, and
I was dead Elvis. I didn't have the vampire teeth.
I should have done that, by the way, anyway, And
I guess the trend is to get the glued in
eye teeth, right, that's whatever. And I don't know how
you eat. I guess you pulled. I don't know. I
don't know how that works. But I was pretty jealous

(02:48):
to see the eye teeth, you know, not the whole
you know, it's pretty cool, pretty cool. But anyway, I
just wanted to share this with you. I really enjoy
putting on the blood. Yeah, yeah, my friend Amy came
over and Romeo and they were all and I said, okay, Amy,

(03:10):
I've got all this blood. She's looking at my counter
and I had like three, four or five different kinds
of blood, dark blood, light blood, coagulated blood, drippy blood, paint,
blood spray, blood stuff in, jar, stuff in you know.
I had all the tubes and and she's like, let's

(03:30):
go and then fish drip ah, and then you know,
and I went and I looked in the mirror and
I went, I like that guy. You know, that's what
Halloween allows us to do, to just jump into costume
and be somebody else for the evening. It is so

(03:51):
much fun. And and here we are, right in the
middle of Halloween week and we've got three I at
what's happening this week? We've got two the comments in
the sky this week. It looks like ET is going
to do a drive by and say hello to this planet.
I do think that three I Atlas is a UFO.

(04:12):
Notice I said UFO, not craft, not you know, extraterrestrial spacecraft. No, man,
it's a UFO. It's a UFO. That's what's going on,
all right. So what a great week. And the Dodgers
won last night the Dungeons the Dungeons. Right now it
is it's the top of the seventh. Toronto Blue Jays

(04:34):
are up two to one over Los Angeles. Yeah. Yeah,
it's Game four of the World Series tonight. Last night
it went eighteen innings. I'm not going to talk any
sports tonight, but I did stay up till midnight to
watch that amazing game. And here we are, Dodgers down
two to one, top of the seventh. All right. This
week on Fad to Black last night, the Leo King

(04:55):
was here talking about three I Atlas David Palmer, and
after the show last night, David and I texted throughout
the ballgame. Just oh man. We spent like six seven
hours together last night. Tonight, Brooke Ashley is here, Psychic

(05:15):
Medium is with us, and we're going to talk about
the history of Halloween and all kinds of other fun stuff. Tonight, kids,
Tomorrow night is our three I Atlas Special because it
is October twenty ninth, the Arrival Thursday night. Jim Harold
is with us, our annual Halloween special every year. Jim

(05:36):
Harold is here with us, and of course he's host
of one of the Tippity Top podcast on Planet Earth.
All right, Campfire, the Paranormal Podcast. And he's just amazing
and it allows me to kind of take the night
off because he's the best host and I could just

(05:57):
just kick back and listen to the amazing Jim Harold
every year. And that is Thursday night right here on
Fade to Black. All Right, I'm just gonna make this
really quick. I do have seven events coming up in
twenty and twenty six. First up as the Conscious Life
Expo February twenty through the twenty third here in La
After that the Sedona Ascension Retreat March twenty through twenty

(06:20):
second in Sedona, Arizona. After that the Contact Modalities Expo
May first through the third in Delavan, Wisconsin. After that
Contact in the Desert May twenty eight through June first,
and then I head south to Peru for the Inca
Celebration of the Sun with Brian Forrester that is June
twenty third through July first. Right after that, I packed
my bags and head over to Scotland for the Moni

(06:41):
Python Tour of Scotland August first through the ninth. I
come back from that, unpack my bags, pack them again,
head back to Peru and this time to Easter Island,
and that is November of twenty twenty six. Coming up
in twenty twenty seven, I'm going to Egypt with Sarah

(07:03):
Brestman Cosme and we're going to host this tour over
there for the totality. That's right, the total eclipse is
happening over Luxer, Egypt, and we're going to be there
with one hundred of our closest friends. All right, So
that's everything that I've got coming up right now. Tonight

(07:25):
it is Brooke Ashley. We're gonna be talking about Halloween
all night tonight. She's a psychic, she's a medium, and
talking about how we got here? What is the season
that I just referred to you? What is Halloween? What
is it that exists between worlds? And does it get thinner?

(07:48):
You know Sam Hayne and those traditions, all of this stuff.
It just fascinates me and the history of it and
how we got here too. How do I say this
Disney Halloween outfits on the kids? Right? How did we
get here? And now she's an investigator with Earthly Imprint Paranormal.

(08:10):
For the past five years, she has trained with some
of the best in the field developing a clear and
compassionate approach to spirit communication. I would like to welcome,
for the first time to Fade the Black Brooke Ashley.
She's right there. What's going on? Brooke?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
How's it going, Jimmy?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I'm good. We had a little scare there, didn't We
had a little scarred Okay, I want you. I'll tell
everybody what the scare was here in a second. But
did I panic, No, not at all. Did I freak out?

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Calm, cool and collected.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I was pretty calm, like the cool side of the pillow. Yeah,
like the cool side of the pillow. So we're doing
we were doing sound check and everything's fine. You know,
we're just doing our thing. And then the swirls came
on the screen. I went, oh, no, you know, so
I looked down. Still got the internet? Uh, you know. Anyway,

(09:01):
the bottom line is we lost the internet and uh
and so I called I said, look, don't freak. It's
not a big deal rebooting everything and we'll be fine.
In a couple of minutes. Show starts intent but we'll
be fine, kid, right, you got it?

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
And then you know, everything came back and everything's fine,
and here we are, so Brooke, you get the first
time guest disclaimer. You won't get it the next time
you're on the show. But I'm going to give it
to you now. And it is this, Brooke. It's just
you and I sitting on my couch having a conversation
as friends. Where the conversation starts, it starts where it
ends it ends. But we're gonna end as friends. Now.

(09:41):
You have to accept so we can move on.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
I accept.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
What they call is that like a coven? You know
what I mean? Is that like an agreement? You know
that it.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Is, But I think it would be an interesting coven.
The church coven?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, now you sleep played. Oh wow. I had some mugs.
Some friends of mine, uh gifted me some mugs many
years ago, maybe ten years ago. Got a case of them,
and they said, the Church of wu. Okay, Now now

(10:18):
I dig the play. I dig the play on words right,
the wo and everything, the Church of I get it.
And then I thought to myself, these are for friends only, right,
you don't want to sell these? You know what I mean?
You don't, you don't want, you don't want. And suddenly, oh,

(10:40):
Jimmy churches started a church. It's called the Church of Wu. Yeah, yeah,
he's ordained. I knew he's a warlock. I knew it.
I knew it. So yeah, but yeah, Church of w
still got them, still got him. I still got the
Church of Wu coffee mugs. So I have to ask

(11:02):
you this. It's a softball question, but it's an honest one.
We all got here for our own strange personal reasons. Okay,
but most of the time it's a crazy ass and
or uncle, you know what I'm saying. You know, something

(11:24):
like that, How did you get here.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
With the mediumship and all of this? Yeah, yeah, well
that's kind of a crazy ride, Jimmy. I can go
right into the bulk of it, which would be pretty heavy,
very quickly. But I'm adopted, and I find that trauma

(11:48):
tends to bring some extra stuff out in people. So
I find the more trauma in your childhood, the more
open you become as you get older, due to the
fact that you need to tap into those psychic abilities
or extra things earlier in order to protect your environment
or protect yourself. So that's the heavy part of it.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Got heavy, Not that heavy. Not that that's chapter one
of my book. That chapter one of my book. I
was adopted and one of the things. And I'm glad
you brought this up, okay, because I was trying to
figure out a way to put this into words that
would make sense to people that maybe weren't adopted. Right.

(12:32):
But and I'm not sure if even the adoption part
plays out as much as maybe early on in my
life my parents before I was adopted got divorced, and
then I was adopted later. That's a whole thing. But
here's the crazy part. Why I agree with you, is

(12:55):
you have to as a kid, adapt to your surroundings.
It's a natural thing to do. You just adapt. And
if you don't have parents, you know, you don't have
a dad around or this or that, and you know,
and you just you know what you may do. But

(13:15):
what happened to me with that is I had nobody
to tell me that shit ain't real, right. I didn't
have anybody to tell me that UFOs or ghost or
goblins or fairies or and you know, no, And so
that allowed me to just go down my own path, right,

(13:38):
And I didn't have adults around me. But I'm being
serious to tell me that, no, that's not what life
is about. It's about this. I didn't have that. And that's,
like I said, that's like chapter one of my book.
It's a very interesting thing that I have develop the

(14:00):
way to think about it and approach it instead of
playing the victim card or any of that. Now, you know,
it's all part of the journey, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
It is. I agree with that, the victim stuff. I
think it's interesting too, because I find that I never
really saw myself that way. I was four when I
got adopted. My sister was seven. We were adopted together
to the same family. Luckily, my mom is a little
bit woo woo, so I think that's probably what fostered it,
my adoptive mother mm hm. But yeah, I just think

(14:30):
that it's interesting. It's an interesting concept, and you know,
I yeah, I don't know. I just think it's the
more that you're kind of cracked open at a younger age,
the more that you're able to kind of explore and
be in that space. I think the sky's kind of
the limit with that imagination, because kids have that. Anyways,

(14:52):
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
What about that? I kind of know what you mean.
I can't these are the things I know what you're saying.
Saying I should say, these are the things that we explore,
you know, trying to figure that stuff out, and that's
the joy of it. I have an enormous amount of
empathy for people that live in a two D existence

(15:17):
that don't ponder the trippy stuff. How boring feels bad.
I feel bad for you. I feel your pain. You know.
You know. I had a uh, okay, this is how
we're going to start this show off. I had a
friend roommate when I was twenty twenty one, name is Olivia,

(15:39):
and he said this mess me up for months, maybe
a year. He goes, man, he was an atheist. He
was French, which made him better than all of us,
right right, that's what they think. So anyway, he goes,
you know what happens when you die? Man, you know
what happens? And I'm like what you know? He goes this,

(16:05):
you turn into worm food and you achieve your place
and evolution. I was like what, And that's he thought
that way? I feel solid. What No, that's not what happens.
So I see him. That was forty years ago. I
see him six months ago at a club I go Olivier, remember,

(16:30):
and I told him the story. He goes, I never
said that. I said, dude, dude, he goes no, man,
I'm all in the spiritual. I said, screw you, you
fake you phony dude. I cried in my bedroom for
three months. You know what I mean. You can't. You

(16:50):
can't just go and say that stuff. Well, that was
kind of like my dad's stuff. But what do you
you know, with people that don't consider spirits, you know,
and afterlife another you know, you know what I mean,
another dimension? How do you how do you communicate with them?

(17:14):
You're a medium? How do you how do you tell
them what you do well?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
And that's the thing. It's kind of funny you bring
it up, because that's you just describe my adoptive dad.
He is that way you are warm food. When you
pass away, that's it. You're done. There's nothing else. And
him and I've always had kind of a complicated relationship,
like love him the pieces. He's my hero, but at
the same time, he's so black and white, and it's

(17:39):
been hard for me to like foster that relationship because
I was always the woo woo kid or the witchy
kid or the weird kid. And he's so straight arrow,
he's so straight edge, and the thing is the thing
that I find is there's no point in attempting to
explain what you do because they're never going on see

(18:00):
it your way. He stopped talking to me a year ago,
and I have not spoken to him for a year
because I started doing mediumship, and he is like, you know,
like he might as well be Harry Houdini's like got
his pitchfork out. So it's that's kind of how it
is with him. And I find the best way to
explain myself is to not explain myself.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, you know, what can you do? I I just
make this really brief. My mom and my brother were here,
my brother's wife and their son last summer, were driving around,
and you know, I'm showing them the sights and everything,
and and I bring up and I say something, and

(18:46):
I go, well, you know, we did this over here
in a movie that I filmed, and we filmed it
right over here. And I'm looking at my mom in
the mirror, and she's got this blank look on her face.
She didn't ask me what the movie was, she didn't
ask me what it was about. She didn't. She had
this point and I said, have you ever seen anything

(19:07):
that I've done? And this guilt, like this look on
her face came over and I didn't want to put
her in that spot. But there's no sense in carrying
on this conversation if they don't and honestly they don't know,
you know, they live in a whole nether thing the

(19:28):
opposite of what we do here, and you know what,
and we'll just leave it go. There's no sense I
can't change, you know, you can't know what. I'm going
to turn my mom into an abductee. It's not gonna happen, right.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Right, Yeah, No, I agree with that completely. My mom.
I love her to pieces and she tries to be supportive,
but it's the same thing. I don't even bother asking
her if she's seen anything I've done because she'll straight
tell me no, oh really, how come I didn't want to?
And I just think, okay, things have been very different
and since I walked into medium ship five years ago,

(20:02):
and I don't know how to talk to her anymore.
So it's like we will. I will, like lower my
expectations when I'm around her. We will talk about two
D things and I will leave the rest on the
table at home.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Can you do you know, what can you do? Have
you ever asked her if she's seen a ghost?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
She has, And the thing is that same weird.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
That's the other thing, right, they want it both ways.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
And they can't have it. The weird thing is my
mom is like literally like a little Buddha, like she
does tight. She every day she believes. She doesn't believe
there's like this, like you know, man in a robe
in the sky. She was raised Catholic. She cut away
from that at twelve, Like this doesn't make sense at all.
This is like kind of a narcissistic way of thinking. Like,

(20:49):
I don't get it. She told me she even had
an outer body experience where she, like astro traveled. But
what I do is to listen.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's too freaky.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I love that well, I was. This comes up a
lot on the show. Halloween is this very very very
special holiday for the entire the world. Right, it's very
special and I love it so much. But there's another
strange component with this, which is exactly what we're talking
about here. No matter what who you are, your family, jobs, religion, politics, ethnicity,

(21:32):
none of that matters. Everybody's got a ghost in their house.
And everybody talks about it, and your grandparents will tell
you that they're you know, they've got a ghost that
that occurs everywhere. But the idea of spirituality or not
becomes this polarizing thing, and you can't. You can't have

(21:56):
it both ways, right, Either you believe in ghosts and
there's something going on that we don't understand, and spirits
and everything else or not. But you can't have it
both You can't be an atheist and have a ghost
in your house. It doesn't work that.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Way exactly exactly. And I think it's funny because I
feel like you touched on something that's kind of interesting.
It's like, you can't have it both ways. I swear
that is just human nature in everything you think of
so many things. You think people want to have it
both ways. They really do. But it's an interesting factor
because people, Look, here's something I'm going to point out, right,

(22:35):
you can't have it both ways. Churches who are against
Halloween still have harvest parties where kids dress up and
get candy. It's like, well, which one is it? You
know what I mean? So I notice how all all
across the board, everybody kind of wants to be involved.

(22:56):
In Halloween, whether or not it looks this way with
the gore and all of the scary or it doesn't,
but it seems as though everybody kind of wants to
be involved in it.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Somehow. There is a ginormous I'm not gonna say the name,
there's a ginormous church up the street, and I mean
like big, right, right, big, big, thousands of cars every weekend,
just huge church and new and it's cool any anyway,

(23:29):
they party on Halloween, right, I'm going by. They've got
the tents up, They've got all the pumpkins out, you
know what I mean, They've got this harvest the thing
that you're talking about. And I'm like, a not so sure,
but you can't. People just love Halloween, you know, And

(23:50):
that's an example of wanting it being a little hypocritical,
you know what. Just let your stuff hang in the breeze.
It's okay, Hey, you know it's okay. What's your When
we look at the history of Halloween, what's your favorite
part of it?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
I find it fascinating, just the whole idea of where
the costuming came from, or trying to disguise yourself, so
having the bonfires to keep away like negative spirits or
protect yourself from spirits. And then the idea that you
would put on masks or you would put on animal clothes,

(24:32):
like animals over you to try to disguise yourself or
to blend in with the spirit world or confuse the
spirit world so that you wouldn't be in trouble with
the spirit world essentially. And I always found how interesting
is it that this tradition's over two thousand years old
and some of those aspects are still to how far

(24:57):
they've gone, the costuming, the covering your face to trying
to you know, look different, and all of that stuff
staying the same from the beginning all the way till now.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, have you when you look at the Day of
the Dead and how South and Central America and so
forth celebrate that and we're Disneyland compared to that, you
know what I mean? And taking it to the next level.

(25:30):
And it's very very cool. Peru they have their they
have their winter Solstice celebration that they do every year
and it's a cusco and they have a million people
show up in that little city and the costumes and
the drea and the parade which goes on the parade

(25:51):
is like sixteen hours. It's it's a million The Rose Parade,
Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York, rookie rookie rookie stuff
compared to what goes on and people like doing that,
they do you know, man, a couple of days. I

(26:12):
get to just do this and dance and have fun.
I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. And
it's weird. Yeah, you know, all the blood, all the monster.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I feel like it's interesting too, because if you look
at other cultures, the way that they revere the dead
is so different than this country. We tend to shy
away from it. We tend to not want to talk
about dead.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Why is that? Why is that? Like in Mexico, the
celebration of the dead is extraordinary. If you don't know
what's going on, it's frightening skull mask, you know. But no,
it's beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I think it's probably just it's such a cultural difference.
I feel like we don't carry traditions so deeply here.
It's like when people started to come to this country
and they were it's like, okay, we're going to do
the American way. How many people would change their names,
They wouldn't speak, you know, their language, if they could

(27:18):
help it. Like people who were coming in through Ellis Islands,
it was almost like they wanted to shed things that
made them connected to their culture. So I feel like
a lot of it got washed away through time. And
if you look at other cultures, they're so they revere
their dead in such an honest way, in such a

(27:41):
kind of I don't want to say, in your face,
but they don't shy away from it. I have my mentor.
Her name is Cindy Kaysa. She spends a lot of
time in Indonesia, and she talks about the fact that
in Indonesia they have this whole celebration for their dead.
They literally keep their loved ones in their home for

(28:02):
a year before they even bury them.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
What, no, they don't, is that true? M h.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
They do? They do so they will keep their loved one.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
No no, no, no no no no no no. I draw
the line. I draw the line there.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah. Yeah, And they bring them food, they bring them drinks,
they talk to them, they spend time with them, and
then a year later they bury their loved ones. So
it's this idea of it being such a beautiful thing
to them, not a scary thing. And I think that
this country tends to turn it into such a scary
thing or something we don't want to talk about or

(28:37):
we don't want to deal with. And I think it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
There was, uh God, I gotta think of the documentary
series came out last year on Netflix. Up Up a
Mother God, God, Mother Mother of God. A small cult,
right that was bouncing around between like God, I don't know, uh,
somewhere in New Mexico to Colorado, and I think they

(29:04):
were in Sidona from moving around. But anyway, the leader
of the cult, this woman dies and she dies from
taking one of those silver drinks, right whatever, I don't
mess with that stuff. But anyway, she was she drank too,
and she she died, but she turned her skin turned

(29:28):
green gray, and the last videos of her like the
last year of her life. We're just writing. Anyway, they
kept her body. They kept her body, man, They moved
it from state to state. They you know, they came.
She was already gray before she died, right, but now
she's Oh man, I think that I think six months

(29:53):
maybe before before the authorities caught up with them. And
and you know, you can't transport you know, a body down,
you know, across state lines and anyway, and it would
put flowers around it.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
They kept her in a room like oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
But that's exactly I mean for us, it sounds so crazy,
but I guess in Indonesia, you know, but the Egyptians
did that too, you know, they think about that the
mummification process, and they would bring food and you know
when you got buried, you were buried with the things

(30:33):
that you needed in the afterlife clothes, right. Yeah. It
was crazy how they how they looked at it so
many thousands of years ago. It seemed very advanced for
a culture that you know, the rest of the world was,
you know, still living in caves when when Egypt was

(30:54):
doing these very advanced things, but for the same things
that you're talking.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
About, right, yeah, yeah, definitely, I agree. I think each
culture has if you dive into each culture, it's probably
got some incredible stories about how they deal with they're dead,
loved their dead loved ones, and the rituals that kind
of surround that. But they all of them seem to
be a lot more in depth than and I mean,

(31:19):
if you think about there are other cultures who think
burying your dead is like horrible, right, and we bury
our dead in the ground, and there are other cultures
who are like, no, that's so cruel, why would you
bury them? I know that in India they have that
river that is it the Ganges, and they they light

(31:42):
them on fire and push them out to see in
the Ganges. So it's kind of like a crematory sort
of situation, right. So it's it's interesting because maybe what
we think is not morbid, another culture would think is
totally morbid, right, So it's just cultural difference.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
What are the what are the actual origins of Halloween?
I know we have sam Hane and is it before that?
What are we talking about here as far as time
time wise?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, it was about two thousand years ago sam Haine,
and it is Celtic in nature, so it's going to
be in kind of that area. Druids were a bit
of a part of that as well. But you have
like with your druids, like your Druid culture, they would
be your astronomers and your judges and your teachers and
spiritual teachers and stuff like that. So it's kind of

(32:37):
that comes from that culture. And I know it's over
two thousand years old, so they say, but that's really
where it stems from, as all of those traditions to
bring in, you know, a good harvest, things of that nature,
protect yourself during winter and fall. It's that whole region

(32:58):
over there is really where it came from.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Is it something that then spread into you know, I'm
going to say, going into the east and then you
know south from there and kind of spread through because
you also had the Vatican at that time in Christianity

(33:21):
dealing with the Druids and the Pagans and what was
going on there, trying to chill things out and maybe
even combine holidays and do some stuff and work together. Right,
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, So about the eighth century, I believe, I think
it was Saint George the Third. I think it was.
He made it all Saints Day or Hallow's Day, trying
to combine it kind of with Christianity. But a lot
of the traditions that were original to this holiday or
this these rituals with the Celtics kind of stuck. Even

(33:58):
though I don't think he really wants them too, they
kind of stuck. So like dressing up and having the
fires and all of that stuff kind of stuff. But
I know it was around the eighth century where they
tried to blend that with the Christianity, and I think
that's where it kind of meshed.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
And well they did that. They did that with Easter,
Sunday and Saturday, you know, the first day of the
week and the day of worship. That was an agreement
with the Pagans. A lot of people don't understand. They
don't you know, the church was just trying to chill
stuff out because of what was going on. But the

(34:39):
first day of the week and Sunday and Easter, people
need to go and check and see what's really going
on there. It was a combination of different things to chill.
They always wanted to control the narrative, and they certainly
did that with Halloween.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I don't think it's a huge
secret that they would want to control the narrative. I
think that's pretty across the board with both those things,
you know what I mean that they kind of have
their hands in for sure. But it's I feel like
there's some there's pagan kind of traditions or pagan things

(35:20):
in all of the holidays really because Christmas as well,
Christmas as well, and so it's kind of interesting. Uh
if you dig into like the church, where some of
these traditions blend and why they blend.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I I often wonder there was there was a movie.
Maybe you've seen that. There was a documentary and called Zeitgeist.
Did you ever see it?

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I haven't heard of that.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Okay, watch the chat blow up? Okay, so zyke guy.
When that came out, it it went viral before viral
was a word. I'm talking about hundreds of millions of

(36:16):
views and the documentary and you could only get it
like you know, if somebody burned you a CD and
then and then eventually YouTube started and then it was
available there. And but what Zeitgeist was? Yeah, Zeitgeist as old. Yeah.
Watch everybody start talking about this movie. Okay, so this movie,

(36:40):
this documentary. The opening half hour of the movie, the
first ten minutes is dramatic, but the first half hour
of the movie is all about how religion was either
made up or combined from other elements around the world

(37:03):
into a story. Yeah Christmas, you know, uh the Resurrection?
Uh Okay, So I don't want to get two sideways
into this, but zeiiteis opened up the eyes for a
lot of people and There was a lot of debunking

(37:23):
that went into that movie from people that didn't want
this story out right, you know what I mean. They
controlled it for so many years, and now the lid
is off and Zeitgeist did that for a lot of
people where you stop and you go, huh. So Jesus
is like Osiris is the same as every other religious

(37:47):
icon in the world, from every religion. It's all based
on the same thing. It's not a Christian thing, it's
not a Catholic thing, it's not a Jewish thing, it's
not an Islamic thing, it's not a Hindu Buddha picks right,
It's all related. It was a very crazy revolution for
a lot of people. Revelation, I should say for a
lot of people.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Wow, Well, I'm definitely gonna have to watch it because
I love those types of rabbit holes. I watch a
lot of History Channel and a lot of Look. I
was a Christian for a really long time. I grew
up Christian, I grew up in a Christian church and
was very deep into the beliefs. I didn't really subscribe
to the hypocrisy of the church, and I didn't really

(38:28):
subscribe to this whole fiery depths if you don't do
what you're told sort of thing. I felt like that
didn't never make sense to me. But I started watching
the History Channel a lot when I was a teenager,
and I was just like, oh my gosh, they're like
putting the truth and historical fact in here with all
of these things about you know, the religion like Christianity

(38:53):
or the Bible or and I thought, it's always fascinating
to me. So I love to watch that kind of stuff.
I mean, I think that they were saying, if I
remember correctly, that Jesus wasn't even mentioned until fifty years
after his crucifixion, is what they're saying. Like, I think
it was fifty years and the Roman Church was the

(39:15):
one who kind of put it into effect.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah see, and here's back to the tonight we're talking
about Halloween. Is that just the mere mention of what
you just said, reflecting back on what you said earlier
in the show about belief systems, right, and somebody is

(39:37):
where they are at, you're not going to say anything
to change their mind. I it's my words of wisdom.
I say that so often there are how to offend everybody. Okay,
I'm sure able to do. There are there are people
that is a vast majority of this planet have a

(40:00):
religious belief system that is unwavering. So they hear something
like what you just said. And we've all heard the
evidence of this, right, okay, we have, and that is
it's a problem. Jesus is a problem. All right, But

(40:22):
I like the baby Jesus. Okay, all right, But anyway,
Jesus is a problem for everybody. But here's the answer.
This is how firm there You can't question God? Yeah,
that's it. Yeah, let's the answer. Let's the answer. You
can't No, no, no, no, nope, I'm not going to

(40:43):
question God. Everything is done for a reason. Everything he
wasn't mentioned. There are plenty of texts that do. There's
a okay, it's just that you cannot reason somebody away
from there how they were raised. You can't do it.

(41:05):
You can't do it. You're not going to reason me
off of ghost. There's no way. There's no way you're
gonna do that. You're not going to reason me off
of UFOs. It ain't gonna happen. You believe what you
want to believe. But no, you're a psychic medium, is
somebody going to reason you out of that.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Absolutely not. I will say it's interesting. It's interesting, right
because I think one of the things that I learned
along the way is that every time I think I
know something, I don't know anything. So I'm the first
one to say I could be wrong about everything. I
don't know. This is my experience from everything that I've

(41:44):
had coming through my lens in my life. So this
is what i can say I've experienced. But I'm never
going to be the first one to say I know
for sure that this is the answer. So you know,
I can only take in the things that make sense
to me and kind of leave the rest. You know.
Maybe you know, ten years from now, I'll believe something

(42:06):
totally different than I believed today, you know, because I
know that maybe twenty years ago I would have believed
differently than I believe now. So I think I like
to keep it open ended. I think I get a
little tripped up when someone refuses to stay open ended,
and then the hypocrisy kind of comes out, and it's like, well,

(42:26):
you just have to trust and believe, Like, well, could
I see proof. I would like to see proof that
any of what you're saying is true. Well, you just
have to believe, but you don't believe anything I'm saying.
And I have a belief that I just have to
believe that. So why do I have to believe your
belief but you don't believe. It's just the hypocrisy of
it that kind of wigs me out a little bit,

(42:46):
you know.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, I'm a walking hypocrite too. I'm a walking paradox.
But I think I would rather admit to that in
that I have the right to change my mind. Yeah,
and I don't think that that is being hypocritical or
you know, paradoxical or anything. You're not. No, I'm entitled

(43:09):
to change my mind. It's called learning. Yeah right, it's
called growth. I am certainly a different person like you are.
You know, twenty years ago my views on things were
radically different, you know. But yeah, no, I'm a hypocrite,
I admit it. It's called having an open mind, having
open dialogue. I love talking to people that I don't

(43:33):
agree with. That's some of the fun and most spirited
conversations that you can have. What do spirits? I know
this is going to sound strange, but it's my twisted mind. Yeah,
how do spirits view us celebrating Halloween.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
You know, I really couldn't answer that question because when
I'm connected to the spirit world, it's almost like they
have such a disconnected view of this world. It's so
it's they become I feel like when people pass away,
or for what I've noticed, people pass away and they
move on to the other side. My experience is the

(44:19):
ego gone. There is no ego, So when they go
to the other side, worldly things don't really compute all
that much to them. And if they are talking about
worldly things, it's just to let their loved one know
that they see it. They see what's going on with them.
They saw the baby that was born, or they saw
that you graduated. They're so proud of you. But when
it comes to things like Halloween or you know, that

(44:41):
sort of thing. I'm not sure everybody says the veil
is thinner around Halloween, but my take on it is
not necessarily that the veil is thinner, but that we
are more aware of the spirit world. We are opening
ourselves up to the spirit world because of Halloween and
the idea of it. So things that people maybe wouldn't

(45:02):
pick up on other times of the year would pick
up on because they are allowing themselves to open up
because of the time of year. That's when everything's spooky
and where.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
You're expecting, you're expecting it.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, exactly, yeah yeah. So is it is it that
the that it's thinner that the villa center, or is
it that people are more aware around that time of year?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Okay, I don't know what's going on, but two days ago,
I've got the twenty twenty five fly invasion going on
in my house. Okay, flies, and my house is spotless clean.

(45:46):
It smells like a freaking hospital, right, all right, I'm
proud of that. Well, a hospital that's been saged. That's
what's what my house smells like. But these flies, and suddenly,
two nights ago, not last night, I was watching the

(46:07):
World Series, but two nights ago, I started to freak
myself out with this. Oh didn't this happen in the Exorcist?
Didn't this go down in the Omen? It was the flies.
First I've seen the conjuring, I've seen the flies come
out of the Mummy's mouth, you know, whatever, you know,
And I'm like freaking out and did something die somewhere

(46:29):
in my house? Am I gonna have to go room
for room for room in rooms that I haven't been
in it six months, right, and look to see if
I don't know, a squirrel got in the house and
I don't know is that. I got worked up and
I was like, it's Halloween, man, it's Halloween. The veil

(46:50):
ist stan, I've got flying. There's something going. I got
freaked out. Why because we expected, Brooke, we expected it's
that time of the year and it's just been going
on for thousands of years. It's fall, it's spooky, it's crisp,
it's cold, and there's a haunted castle you know, in
town with Dracula in it, and these.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Are right right, Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think that it's
interesting because when you I definitely feel like you can
kind of manifest things that you don't think you can manifest.
People are way more powerful than they really give themselves
credit for. It's incredible to see what some people can
manifest without even realizing they're doing it. So putting your

(47:35):
energy in a space where you're thinking the spooky, you're
thinking of the macabre, you're inviting that in. What can
you manifest by doing that? Because this time of year flies,
don't I mean they're kind.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Of I know, man, man, man, man, I'm telling you,
I got all worked up, so I thought that it
was all under control, and it kind of is. You know,
maybe we'll see right it's gonna, you know, come in
behind us right now. But that's the other that's the
other part is do we have the ability to freak

(48:16):
ourselves out and then suddenly we're manifesting it. I'm at
a Halloween party last week and somebody says to me
in the conversation, have you seen, you know, because it's
a Dracula theme thing, have you seen the new Nosferatu?
And I go, I have pretty scary huh? I go, yeah, man.

(48:38):
Everything about that movie was scary. The music, the way
it was filmed, the dude's voice are right right. That
movie scared the crap out of me. And and somebody
at the table goes, you should watch it tonight when
you get home after the price. No, I don't. I

(49:00):
don't why you get scared? You know what I mean?
Do we have the ability to manifest like that? You
watch a scary movie and the next thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Absolutely, I'm a psychic medium and when I watch like
the conjuring films, my clairvoyance is wild. I saw you.
I saw you like you're peeking your head around the
corner from the pantry, like I know you are always there,
but I saw you, like right, And you have to
think about it this way. Think about like paranormal locations,

(49:33):
like maybe one of the asylums or something. You have
people coming in there with their intentions. They're freaking themselves out,
they're scared, they're putting the intention that something awful is here,
there's a bad shadow figure, and so people are experiencing
these things over and over again, and you get the
same vein of people, different people experiencing the same type

(49:55):
of phenomenon. There is a black shadow figure in this
specific room in the hospit middle that their head hits
the ceiling, and more than one group of people are
noticing it. Right, It's happening over and over to people. Well,
is that an agrigor? Is that like a manifestation of
all of the people who've been coming in there, just

(50:16):
pouring into the room, then creating an agagre that becomes
its own entity, then starts to behave the way that
people are expecting when they come in there for something
to behave. So you're pouring the energy in, you create
the agrigre and now you're stuck with this entity that
is in the space.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
People enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, there's.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Well it's thrilling. Yeah, you know, it's it's fear is fun.
I hate to say it, but for some people. Man,
go to Knotsbury Farm, right, what do they call that?
I forget what they call it? The Halloween week there
with all the haunted houses and jumping out. Yeah, they're noisy,

(51:07):
they're scary, and they're you know they're doing and you
can't wait to go into the next room. Yeah, you
know you've got to, right, you've got to elevate past
the last dose of fear you just have.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Well, uh yeah, fear is fun. There's a reason why
scary movies are so so.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Popular, that's true. I mean people flock to the movie
see theaters to see the scary ones. That's why they're
always really very popular films. And what it makes you
think that what is that is it? We are so
immersed in our daily lives and the majority it's like
groundhogs day. They just want to feel something intense so

(51:50):
that they know they're still alive. They're saying, you know,
you just groundhogs Day, Groundhogs Day, and then when you
get this rush, it's a dopamine hit. Really, it's any
other yeah, yeah, so it's people are looking for that dopamine.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Hit here in Los Angeles. You know, we're the movie
capital of the world. Right, Everybody in Burbank is in
the film industry. It doesn't matter if you're making costumes,
if you're catering, if you're acting, screenwriter, director, set design, whatever, right,
everybody works in the film and television industry here. So
Halloween at these houses are pretty friggin amazing. And they

(52:32):
will blocks and you know, I'm talking about blocks of
houses where everybody, special effects people, costume people, make up
people live in these houses and they out do one
another with Halloween. So I'm out there with my two
daughters and they were like eight, eight years old, and
we're on the street and at the end of the street.

(52:56):
I'm not making this on all that is holy, they
had a guillotine and they were beheading monsters. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. Guillotine head bounces out and falls into the

(53:17):
basket and you're watching that. You know, it's whatever. Some
some monster. Right, it's being laying his head down in
this guillotine. I'm standing there with my I'm like, how
are they doing this? And I'm watching this the head
falls and everybody's screamed my daughter, right, it was out

(53:39):
of it had the biggest crowd. Yeah, it was just insane.
Now it was it over the top?

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Was it? Uh politically incorrect for sure? Right, beheading of
you know, in front of kids who were loving every
minute of it. By the way, spring blood. It was
crazy anyway. I don't know how they pulled it off.
So I you know, I'm standing there kind of a

(54:09):
dick like, Okay, I'm gonna figure this out. And I
never did. And my daughters, two girls too little, you know,
a or did not want to leave. They wanted to
see some more action. It's what It's weird how I
think that's why Halloween is where it's at. We enjoy it,

(54:29):
We enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah, I was adopted into the wrong family. I should
have been on that block. That would have been the
block for me growing up.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I'm not in any of There are people that are
listening to the show going. I know that street in Burbank, right, Yeah,
I've been there. We drove there just for that reason,
and yeah, the haunted houses and everything on the street,
it was just just amazing. How but that guillotine, I
just I've never My daughters still talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(55:02):
it was absolutely nuts. Is there is there a Halloween
like in China, Japan? God?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
That's I feel like everybody celebrates it in some aspect,
But you know, I'm not really sure, like does the
date change, does the you know, is it on a
different date, do they do it differently? You know, I'm
not sure, but I feel like it is it's a
all across the globe, whereas other things, like you know,

(55:34):
Thanksgiving obviously is you know, for specific places, but I
feel like this one is across the globe. I feel
like people celebrate it across probably in different ways maybe,
but I'm pretty sure it's global.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
And so we were talking about this earlier, but I
want to ask you directly. Do people have a more
heightened presence of ghost and spirits and things on and
around Halloween? Is that activity increased poltergeist?

Speaker 1 (56:11):
You know what, Probably it's probably PK energy, to be
honest with you, absolutely, because the focus all these people's
minds are focused on this one kind of thing, and
that really can change the energy of the room. It
can change the energy of anything you're doing. It's like
I said before, like our minds are so much stronger

(56:31):
than I think that we really realized that PK energy
just gets like poured into the space. So people are
just so much more open, and I think the fact
that not only so, like maybe you're more open during Halloween.
So okay, well I'm more open, but everybody else around
you is open as well and enjoying Halloween and the

(56:51):
spook of it and the ghosts and the goblins. So
then their PK energy is pouring into whatever space is
you're in. So say you go to a bar, say
you go to where where it is you're going, all
that energy is being pushed into the space. So I
don't know, you know, it seems like that would be
the if you weren't really the biggest believer, that would
probably be the time you might see something.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, the universal universal straightening out? Yeah no, oh man,
I just find that it's so funny. Somebody just posted
Japan has adopted American Halloween.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Huh huh, because it's cool and everybody loves it.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
It is so much fun. Okay, quick question, two quick questions.
Do you have a favorite This isn't trivial, This is
not a trivial question. It's a non trivial question. Do
you have a favorite scary movie?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I love the conjuring films because I've been and experiencing
paranormal activity since I was a small child, and I
just thought it was kind of normal. And I didn't
realize until later that not everybody lives in an incredibly
haunted house, probably with elementals and multiple other things. So
those make me feel not alone in my haunting kind

(58:18):
of background. So I love the conjuring films. I also,
if we're talking about like slasher movies, Halloween one and
two are probably my absolute favorite.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah, that's up there. That's up there. The reason why,
I well, first thought, that says a lot about you,
And that's so interesting. My daughter Nicole the Legend of
Sleepy Hollow, the one with Johnny Depp. Yeah, she could

(58:50):
not watch it. Though I mean could not watch it.
She would literally not I'm not saying this in metaphor.
She would bounce off the walls. Yeah, she'd like run around, ah,
just just you know. And and I only found out

(59:12):
about that by accident. She was channeling. She was channel surfing,
or maybe I was, and I stopped and that scene
was the movie was on and it was him on
the horse headless. Woo.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
You know, it's interesting. I would be interested to know
if there was something in her nightmare dream state growing
up that was very similar to that that terrified her
and it kind of came back when she saw it,
because that kind of reaction to something of that nature,

(59:49):
it's I find that there's some sort of connection in there.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
She won't even talk. She's thirty years old. Okay, we'll
not talk about it. Talk will not No interesting. Yeah
yeah yeah yeah. So for me, it was I liked
Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the thirteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Now, so this is why I'm bringing it up. How
you manifest things. So me and my friends were in
our early twenties. I'm probably twenty twenty one years old.
We go camping at Crystal Lake where the film is done, right, yeah, okay,

(01:00:38):
the summer camp. So we go up there. We set
up a couple of tents and I was just with
a friend of mine last month that I did this with.
We talked about it. Yeah, so we and we go
up the hill and so they tell me Crystal Lake
is just right over. This's like really so and there

(01:01:00):
were these big rocks. Anyway, that doesn't matter. So we
go and this fog comes in and we go up
over the hill and there it is, man the doc
right that Crystal Lake and it looks just like it
does in the movies. And we're there at night and
it's a black lake and it's not moving. It's like
a pond and it's just freaky. And this FOG's rolling

(01:01:23):
in and you really can't see. And I'm telling you,
we manifested terror.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
You did?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah? Ohoo, fah my heart and I had my friends
behind rocks, yeah yeah, and it's echoing and I make
it back. We eventually I get back to the campsite alone.
Everybody comes in and my friend Rob and this other girl, Adrian,

(01:01:53):
she's so cool. Anyway, start pulling up the tent. Let's
go on, We're out of here. Is a good idea.
Just put this fire out. Yeah, we're out. We're out
of here. We manifested the terror.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
You do. And I think that there's lots of different ways, Like, so,
you guys are coming in there with that idea and
then this fog rolls in. Right. It's just like if
we weren't there, would that have happened? If we weren't
in the in that mindset, would that have happened? Right?
But think about like when you're a kid and you
play light as a feather, stiff as a board. Right,

(01:02:28):
I've played that and our friend was on the ceiling
with just a two little fingers of a couple of us. Like,
I mean, that's like manifesting. It's wild, it's crazy, and
so it kind of messes with you because when you
start to dive into am I manifesting this? Then you
don't know, like what is outside of yourself and what isn't.

(01:02:50):
It's like, am I manifesting? Everything? Is everything? Like this
in a simulation? And I'm manifesting is anything outside of myself?
It's kind of wild to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I love that light as a feather, right, Yeah, first
time I saw that, I was, oh man, I was
probably six seven, right, And my memory goes, my sisters
had some friends over or something and they want, I
don't even know what they're doing, never heard of it.

(01:03:23):
I'm sad, you know, I'm just standing there watching and
they all get around right and they're doing the thing.
And and when they lifted her up there there wasn't
that many of them. Yeah, you know, I don't know,
six girls, seventh, one in the middle, whatever. Two fingers
and I remember the whole thing. Okay, two fingers and
I was what and man, I had a heart attack.

(01:03:47):
Yeah that was levitation, Man, that was levitation. That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
It's mind blowing. I think that it's mind blowing. And
it's like one of those things that kind of let
me know when I was young and witchy like, and
these were like my church friends. I was doing this with,
you know, church friends. We're all like, what maybe twelve
at the time, eleven and she was on the stage.

(01:04:15):
It's just crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
What about Can I ask you about we gi boards?

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Yeah? Oh yeah, you who. I don't touch them. I
had a bad experience with them, and I think that
they can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
I also feel like your feelings about any sort of
situation is going to direct how something's going to happen.
So I say, if somebody has a fear of something,

(01:04:42):
leave it. Don't do it because your fear is going
to manifest into that space. So are weg boards necessarily
a problem. Maybe they're not. But because of my belief
of what's happened to me in the past, and I
still hold on to that and I haven't quite let go,
I wouldn't mess with a wigi board now because I

(01:05:04):
know that my negative feelings about them that are still
in the back of my mind somewhere could project something
into that space once again through my own fear. So
I say, if you have a fear of something, I
would leave it alone. I wouldn't if even if it's
like reserved in the back of your mind a little bit,
don't touch it, because that fear could manifest something. Maybe

(01:05:30):
for maybe wigi boards are better for people who really
don't hold any preconceived notions or fears around it. It's
probably a little bit safer for them to mess with,
So I personally wouldn't. I had a bad experience when
I was about twelve playing with one of those, and
one of the most terrifying things in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
So not ry. You know, we're going to take a
break right here, but you just if you're gonna whip
one of those out, and I don't have a problem
with WIGI boards. It's just that you've got to set
some boundaries. Okay, we're not gonna do any stupid shit. Okay,
all right, let's talk to Elvis. That's okay, that's in bounds. Okay,

(01:06:08):
We're not gonna summon bi Alzebub. You know what I mean, Yeah, exactly,
We're not doing that. So anyway, let's take our break.
Our guests tonight, Brooke Ashley, and we're talking about well,
Halloween and other fun stuff, and we're gonna be doing
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Fad to Black. I am your host, Jimmy Church, and
I broke Ashley Is with a psychic medium. We're talking
about Halloween tonight and why it is just so dang
cool doing that and much more. You know, I was,
I was just thinking, and I don't know how this
slipped by me. My two I mean my two favorite
scary movies, The Omen the Original and The Shining and

(01:10:53):
and and I'll tell you why. The real right that
is it's not some dude in a mask with a
knife killing college kids at their fraternity. No, no, no, no,
those were for me at such a young age. There's
a documentary. You know, those were real movies. The reason

(01:11:16):
why I asked you your favorite who do you dress Halloween?
What's your costume this year?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
My gosh, I haven't worn a costume in like the
last two years.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
What that's illegal?

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
I am a mother of almost eighteen year old son.
I am tired. I do not go anywhere. You know, Jimmy,
the amount of partying and drinking that I did. I'm
forty one, so in the first i'd say twenty seven
years of my life, I could probably put most people
under the table.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, pump the brakes. Yeah,
you have an eighteen month old son?

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Eighteen year old son?

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Oh? Eighteen year old? I thought she said eighteen month
and you're forty one. I was like, how does how
did that work? Oh? You have an eighteen year old son? Yep, Okay,
all right, that makes sense? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
I retract, Yeah, I retract all the thoughts that I
just had. But I think that I like, I like
to see what adults wear on Halloween because their personality
is really coming at the twisted you know what I mean?
We all have twisted thoughts. We just don't express them

(01:12:35):
except on Halloween. I'm at this. I me at this
Halloween party last weekend, this vampire. She was totally cool, vampire. Right,
black dress, thing, you know, beautiful makeup, great, the whole thing.
But around her waist she had this thick silver chain, right,

(01:12:58):
a big you know, like a toechain around her waist
and tied hanging from the toechain was a bloody severed foot. Yeah,
now picture that, and she was sexy. She was cool.
She had this thing, beautiful, man, this whole severed foot hanging,

(01:13:22):
bloody severed foot hanging from a chain, and I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Yeah, she did it big, she went extra, she went
all out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
I think for me, what's going on up here? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah? You know I never could. I was always quite
a few beats behind other girls my age, So I
could never do the sexy thing because they did it better.
And it wasn't cool to be like funny you know
in that environment. Funny on an everyday basis, but not

(01:13:54):
in that environment. You know, you want to be like
the other girls in that environment. So I don't know
what you do. It's like for most women, a lot
of times are young younger ladies. It's like, oh, sexy nurse, sexy, referee, sexy.
So I mean, I have a great appreciation for people
who can think well outside the box when it comes

(01:14:15):
to their costumes. I always love a good jokey costume.
I'm one for the funny costumes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Back in the day, me and my friend Rob went
as the Menendez brothers. Yeah when is the Menendez brothers?
And man, we had so much fun with that. Isaad
lacas sweaters right with a you know, dress shirt underneath,

(01:14:47):
with blood spatter all over our faces. I had a
tennis racket, he had a shotgun and when we showed up.
We did this twice at two different Halloween parties. Everybody
got it. It was twisted, I mean, but being able

(01:15:08):
to express yourself like that, and we had so much
fun going, Okay, man, more blood, yeah, more blood.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Yeah that's shock value, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
It was great and everybody got it. I was like,
are they gonna get you know, are they going to
get who we are? Everybody did. But but yeah, that's
that's one of the things adults. Kids can do whatever
they want, all right, but adults they plan this stuff out.
Halloween costumes are not some afterthought. You know, there's planning

(01:15:40):
put into it, and you really get to look into
somebody's mind.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
That's true when I my son is a little bit interesting.
He's a pretty cool kid, but big horror buff As
a young kid, he wanted to be a director, and
he wanted to be the next John Carpenter and all
of that. So young age, he never really fell into
the category of oh, let me just grab a costume
at the store because he was too young. He wanted

(01:16:07):
to be like the crazy killer clown. He wanted to
be things that they didn't have costumes for his age.
So I had to learn how to get really creative,
really fast. I handmade him a scorpion costume one year.
It was so cool, it looked so good. I handmade
him a leather face costume. I had to go to
the Yeah it was I had to go to the

(01:16:29):
good Will and I like hand cut out in blue tie,
I got a shirt. I handed the apron all of
that stuff because they just didn't make it for his
I think it was seven at the time, so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
He knew who leather face was. Exet What kind of
mother are you?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Yeah, blame my mom. She's the one who started letting
him watch these movies.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yeah, yeah, oh man, yeah, I I had. I like
to say, I'm a pretty hard guy. Okay, I write
a Harley. I listened to heavy metal. You know. Leather
Face was too gritty for me. That was it seemed

(01:17:16):
too real. Is that? Is that the way to put it?
That's why. Also like Rob Zombie's House of a Thousand Corpses. Yeah,
I was so beside myself with anticipation leading into that
and the way that he shot it, it was it

(01:17:39):
was almost too perfect. It was too gritty, it was
too scary, and he got inside of your head. And
that's what Texas Chainsaw for me too as well. It
got into my head. I only watched it once only.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Yeah, my I the House of a Thousand Corpses made
me like physically ill, so I just oh, but the
original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. My son said it was boring.
It bored him. He said it's too boring, like it's
not fast enough for him. And I'm just like, oh
my gosh, it's right. I'm like, okay, kid, whatever we say. Like,

(01:18:16):
he doesn't watch horror movies anymore. He really likes the
paranormal stuff. But really doesn't. I think he has about
two hundred and fifty DVDs of He started with black
and white horror film, so he started with Frankenstein from
the thirties and Dracula, all of those original movie monsters.
That's where he kind of started and then kind of
went out from there. But the thing was he always

(01:18:39):
kind of understood that none of it was real. He
understood scripts at a really young age. He understood costuming,
he understood all of those things that are really young age,
and he really wanted to be like a director. So
I think the only thing that kind of saved me
from being like, uh, I might have a problem on
my hands is the fact that he really wanted to

(01:19:01):
like he understood the production value of it and realized
that it wasn't real.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
And House of a Thousand corpses. Uh. There is the
famous scene in the beginning when the teenagers pull up
to get gas and they go in and that's when
they okay, so and and everything kicks off. That place

(01:19:31):
is it's called the Four Aces Motel, and it's right
next to my house out here, okay, and so somebody
tells me about this and I went, really, so I

(01:19:54):
I find it, and I go and I'm gonna I'm
gonna show you right now, I'm going to show you
this and the uh, the the way that Rob shot
that film, the way that he did it. Let me

(01:20:14):
go here, hold on for a second. I just love technology.
There it is okay, you remember from the movie right
that is next to my house, and it's it's yeah,
oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. I take all my friends,

(01:20:35):
anybody that visits out of town. You know, they want
to see two things. They you know, they want to
see Lockheed Skunk Works. I take they want to see
the Four Aces Motel. And and it's right there, out
in the middle of the desert and it's everything. What
was that movie with John Cusack Double Indemnity or whatever

(01:20:57):
that was also shot here. That is a terrifying movie
too as well. And uh but anyway, so when you
pull up to this, I'm gonna say, there's residual scary there.
I don't, I don't know, I don't, I don't know.

(01:21:17):
It it's meant to it's what it is. It's a
desert motel out in the middle of the desert. There's
nothing around it there, it sits it's got that crazy
four aces logo right, no vacancy right, whatever, you know.
But if you just go up and it's it's made
to look like what you think it's gonna look like,

(01:21:41):
and there's something resident it's it's not. And I know
that I know the owner there, you know, and I
know the guy that manages the property, and and uh,
they own another piece of property that I shot a
film at too as well. But there's something about it
that it's it's it's scary and there's a reason why

(01:22:03):
Rob Zombie shot that movie there. It is just so realistic.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort
of murder in that location. And I don't know what
the room numbers are, but I'm curious about the room
number six personally. That would be my question, like to
the owner and ask him does he know the history
of it, because I'm positive, I'm positive that there was
a murder at that hotel at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I'm gonna leave that right there. I'm gonna leave that
right there. It's it's it's it's pretty when you have
movie sets like that, ghost towns, you know, houses and
things that are that are used over and over again
their original you know it's out at Paramount on the

(01:22:53):
lot they're going to build something. But this is on location, right,
this is this is a real place at one point,
and I'm telling you there's something residual there that is
really really spooky. Now, you made me wonder about room
number six in the movie with John Cusack. What was

(01:23:14):
that movie called? I'm gonna put this back over to
Bill John Jessica. The movie with John Cusack where he
was at the hotel and not the Bates Motel dealing

(01:23:34):
with a serial identity. Yes, identity, that's what it was
called identity, And one of the rooms at the hotel
it was the one that John Cusack was dealing with.
I'm wondering if it was Room number six.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Curious because mediums can also pick up residual energy of
things that were placed into the space that aren't true.
If there was a movie there and that premise was
being poured into the space, we could pick up on that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
As a psychic medium and going out and doing paranormal investigations,
what do you feel when you go on location? What
are you looking for?

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
So I kind of just open myself up and I
just ask kind of my guides to show me what
it is that I need to see in the moment
for what it is I'm looking for. So if I'm
being asked to kind of tap into a specific timeframe,
then I'll say, Okay, I really just need like the
late eighteen hundreds. Show me the late eighteen hundreds into

(01:24:39):
the like nineteen ten area. That's what I would like
to see tonight. And then I just opened myself up.
And we work with Claire's So everybody calls it a
sixth sense, but it's multiple senses underneath that six So
it's clairvoyance, clear cognizance, clere sentience, and a clear audience.
So hearing, seeing, feeling, and just knowing those are way

(01:25:00):
that we receive information. So I go into a space
and I just open myself up to whatever it is
I'm going to receive, whether I see it, feel it,
hear it, know it. I could hear a name, I
could see a person like I see a man in
a blue suit, I hear the name John. I know
that there's a problem with a ledger, or I know
that there's fighting over money. I know that there's two

(01:25:20):
businessmen in here that are having a problem with each other,
or someone tried to shove somebody out of the business,
or I know that there was a woman here who
would have lost her life. Those are the kinds of
things that kind of come at me when I'm at
a location and I don't have a set specific way
of wanting that information to come. It just comes, and
usually I like to have someone around me who can

(01:25:42):
validate that information. I've worked with Chris Fisk a bit.
He was on the Ghost of Devil's Perch, that whole
series Ghost of Devil's Perch with Dave Schrader, Cindy Kasa,
and Katie's staff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
So good, so good, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
So Chris is a friend of mine and he brings
me into locations in Butte, Montana and says, go to
town Brook, what are you picking up on? So I
will just tell him what's going on in this space.
Thank God for Chris, because he is like historian. I mean,
the guy has the keys to the city. He's the
historian of Butty. He knows everything there is to know
about Butte. So I don't have to do any of

(01:26:18):
the research myself. I just tell him what I'm getting
and he'd be like, oh my god, yes, you're spot on.
Things of that nature. So it's so much fun working
in a space where somebody already knows everything there is
to know about the history because I don't have to
wait to get my answer.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
That that was one of First off, Schrader's really good. Okay,
I think he's my buddy. I've worked with him for
five or six years on Coast to Coast. Right, love Schrader,
But that the way that that was presented. First off,

(01:26:57):
I didn't know that that city was at haunted that
the first thing. But there was a lot of it's
all about evidence for me, and that was just coming
out over and over and over again. It's the evidence,

(01:27:19):
and that's what people want. We all love a good story,
but we also we want evidence so we can go, oh, okay,
it is real.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Yep, absolutely, I agree, And Butte is hands down the
most haunted city I've ever been to in my entire life.
I never run out of things to investigate in that city.
I've done the Dumas four times, the Cabbage Patch, I've
done the Myra Brothel, the Copper King Mansion, and then

(01:27:52):
Chris brought me into silver Bow a couple of times.
And I'd have to say, it's funny because silver Bow
Center was not featured on that show. I would be
very cautious to go in there again, to be honest
with you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Those cabbage Patch scenes. Man, remember what was the sheriff's name,
But that that sheriff was just hilarious. He's like, okay, man,
I'm I'm at you know, Okay, I'm over at this

(01:28:26):
place and you need to come down here. There's more
stuff going on. Yeah, that was That was crazy. And
those cabbage Patch scenes were just insane. That's the one,
isn't that where Dave got sick and fell.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
He got Yeah, he like got punched. It was almost
like a place memory he walked into getting shot, like
a place memory type of situation where he just hit
the ground. He thought he hit the ground. Yeah, h yeah,
I've been in the cabbage Patch. It's an incredible It's
incredible how Bute protects its history because there's not much
left of the Cabbage Patch, and that was a huge

(01:29:00):
chunk of the area at the time. It's now dwindled
down to a couple of cabins that's protected in the
back of the maira brothel, and they do a really
good job protecting what's left of it. But it's a
fascinating place because those buildings that still stand there are
the few that they have. That's it. That's what it
was back then, so it hasn't changed and they preserved

(01:29:21):
them really well. But that place is crazy haunted. Silver
Boat Center most haunted place I've ever been in my
entire life. And I've been to Sheboygan Insane Asylum.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
So you brought this up earlier, I want to circle
back to it. I don't know if I would investigate
a hospital, yeah, I don't. I don't know. Prisons are

(01:29:55):
also kind of freaky to me because bad stuff down there.
I mean bad, you know, I mean bad, the worst
of the worst. But hospitals are also just just like
scary to me. I don't Maybe it's the video game
Silent Hill. I played it like way too much. I

(01:30:18):
don't know, but that'll do it totally. But are you
okay with places like that? You just wander into an
old haunted hospital mm.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Hmm, yeah, I'm one hundred. I don't know why I
don't have fear. I'm like, I'm like, yeah, let me
get in there. I don't think there's a single place
that I would feel like, you know, unless I got there,
and I started to experience things that made me feel
like I needed to get out. I'm never like, bring

(01:30:53):
it on. It's kind of how I say, that's how
I feel about it. Well, sheboygan, Insane Asylum was probably
one of the most active places I've been. And I
did that with Dave and Shane and Dave Strader and
Shane Pittman, and you know, picking up on different stuff
throughout the building. But I mean, me and my partner
were seeing things that other people weren't saying. I saw

(01:31:15):
a full blown shadow figure walk across the door, and
Dave was in his recorder. Everyone's watching Dave watch his
recorder and I'm look at and my partner's like, did
you see I'm like, I saw that. And then we
were seeing ghost lights across because you know, it's in
like a kind of a U shape. We were seeing
ghost lights on the other side, and people were kind
of packing up ready to leave. I'm like, am I

(01:31:38):
am I seeing that? Martin's like, yeah, no, what is that?
I don't know. And there was something about it that
didn't make us stop and tell anybody else. I don't
know if as we were afraid it would stop or
we wouldn't see it anymore. Maybe we didn't want to
call attention to ourselves. But yeah, it was very active.
But I didn't feel threatened necessarily, even though I should have,

(01:31:59):
because there was an entity calling my name into the
voice recorder repeatedly, So that could spook a couple of people,
but not me. I don't spook very easily.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Dave is a great investigator, and he has a really
good open mind, and he knows how to notice things
and he's really good at that. Shane attracts that shit,
yeah he does. And I love Shane, I know, I know, right,
Shane is amazing, But he's a magnet for this stuff,

(01:32:29):
isn't he.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
It's because he's mediumistic, and the sooner that he dives
into that and taps into that, the better he'll be
able to control the situation. But he's he's a moth
to a flame to them, so it'll keep happening to him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Sometimes I feel so bad for Shane, right, you know,
I love the guy, right, But that I think that's
another thing that what if Okay, let's say you're doing
an investigat and you have somebody there, camera, person, sound, whatever,

(01:33:07):
production assistant that is being a bump on a log. Man.
This shit ain't real, man. I'm only here for the money,
you know, I got to pay rent next week. And
that's why does that mess up an investigation? Do spirits
pick up on that when somebody's being just negative.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
I find that it probably puts an uptick and energy
because it's a challenge to them, and so hey be
pessimistic and don't believe in it all you want because
you're just going to make it better for me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
I love that. That's a good attitude. That's a good attitude.
Have you ever there's a reason for this question. Have
you ever seen anything strange in the sky?

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Do you think that it's connected?

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
I think it's all connected somehow, Bigfoot, aliens, ghosts, there's
a connection. There's a thread through that that I just
can't put my finger on. One of my very close friends.
I don't know if you know who he is, but
his name is Toby Johnson or Tobe.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
He's been on the show many times.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
He's one of my best friends.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
And now he's been on twice. I don't know, Bill,
how many times has Toby been on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
He's fascinating, he's great. Yeah, so he just to listen
to him and the rabbit holes that he will go down.
It just she takes you with him on every rabbit hole.
You're just like falling down the rabbit hole with Tobe.
You're like, yeah, yeah, in this thread that he has
about bigfoot being not bigfoot, but something else is which

(01:34:52):
is connected to something else, which is connected to I
think Tobe has talked a bit about bigfoot and the
connection to abductions or abductees. Even you know that there's
a there's a vein or a thread there. So I
don't know. I think it's all interconnected in a way
that we cannot comprehend. We won't comprehend no matter how

(01:35:12):
far we go down the rabbit hole and we want to,
I don't think we'll ever get that answer.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Well, so to that end, if we look at the
possibilities of everything being connected, and I believe that it is,
and we look at spirits and ghosts and bigfoot and orbs.
You mentioned ghost lights, right, that that fundamentally that everything

(01:35:39):
just may be the result of something basic. Yeah, And
I don't know what that is, you know what I mean,
But they seem to happen around the same time in
the same areas and once you open your mind up
to it and you you know, you're looking for things,

(01:36:00):
and suddenly you know what I mean? And so could
could all of this? When Toby or other certain Bigfoot
researchers talk about Bigfoot being spirit, you know, that lives
in trees and that you know, comes out in the well,
I don't think that that's too far fetched. When when

(01:36:22):
a skeptic, this goes back to what we were talking
about with Sam Hayne. When a skeptic goes wo man,
you know, we've been talking about this for years, you know,
lepercuns and trolls and ghosts and and the old man
in the wood. I'm like, listen to yourself, exactly exactly right. Right,

(01:36:46):
today we call about different angels, right, but but we
use different words today to describe it's an interdimensional being.
Well back in Ireland, that was an evil troll under
the bridge or a leprechaun. You know, today we talk
about martians and little green men. Have you ever seen

(01:37:06):
the cover the Box of Lucky Charms? Right? Yeah, right?
You know so is that has this been going on
for thousands of years and today we just use other
ways to describe.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
It, I think so, because if you look back at
like hieroglyphs and things of that nature, there are ones
that show it's very clear it looks like an alien
ship in the sky, like on a hieroglyph, or you know,
if you look at these ancient drawings, you know what
I mean, Why does every deity look like a bird

(01:37:44):
with a person at his hand? And every culture you
know what I mean, Like there's something going on there.
But I'm a big believer that time isn't like time
doesn't exist, you know, and everything's kind of maybe happening
all at the same time, and we're in this meat suit,
and so we have to put time on everything. That's

(01:38:05):
just how we function, right. But it's an illusion. So
when you see like I'll give you a quick example
of that. I was doing an investigation at the Doumas
Brothel with a couple of friends of mine, Kim and
Scott Horn. So my partner Martin, and Kim and Scott
were in the basements called the cribs. I was all
the way up on the third floor doing ghost box

(01:38:25):
estes ghost box with the headphones on, plugged into a
ghost box, scanning the radio frequencies. I had a walkie
talkie in my hand. So the idea was they were
going to be talking downstairs or asking questions and they
would have the walkie and anything I heard, I would
walk you over to them. So we're in two totally
separate sties.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
Well done, that's good, that's strong.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Yeah. So they start apparently going off on a conversation
and they're going down a rabbit hole and they're talking about, well,
what if we are not the people to them? What
if we're the ghosts and we're haunting them? And apparently
right at that moment, I heard on the ghost box
and radioed over, you're the spirits?

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
So weird?

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Is it the conversation that they were having that put
that energy into the space, And then I'm just it's
creating something in the space and that's what is being
picked up on by me. Or is it actually a
conversation and we are kind of the spirits and they're
the ones investigating us? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
Doesn't sound strange at all? No, it doesn't, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Yeah, I know, right, it's if your mind is in
that space to think beyond the box. Some of the
stuff that people say is really not far fetched. You know,
if you have your mind kind of in that space
of openness. It's really not far fetched, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Yeah, Well if the concept and this is science, it
isn't me. This is science about multi worlds, multiverse and
dimensions and parallel worlds, right, these discuts math. The science

(01:40:09):
behind it says well, this is possible. All right. So
if that is the case, you know, separated by visibility
and frequency and whatever it may be. But in this
version of us here right now, there's me sitting in

(01:40:29):
this studio talking to you. At the same time, there
is another verse of this happening right now. But maybe
in that other world there's somebody else standing here next
to me. Yep, Okay, all right, it's there's two of
us in this room instead of one in the studio.

(01:40:53):
And then for a split second, I see it. Yep,
that world is revealed to me. So this, to me is.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
A ghost exactly follow me now, I absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
If you flip the script right and we go into
you know, into whatever that that other alternate world is, yeah,
I'm the ghost. Yeah, if we you know what I mean,
if we come into focus for a minute and you know,
somebody's going in, honey, you're not gonna believe it. I
just saw there's this guy sitting in a chair and

(01:41:35):
there you know.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
You know what I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
What is science says, this is part of the reality.
So when we talk about ghosts or things that have
been going on since the dawn of man, this is
nothing new. This didn't start with Zach Began's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Where is he in the classe?

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Eric Goodman, Yes, so you know what
I mean, And I'm okay with that. It happens so
often with me and you were mentioning it earlier, right
where you start to ignore, you know, something looking around
the corner where yeah, you know that. I accept it

(01:42:20):
more about it's just the way things are. It's not
something here trying to scare me. It's just some things
we just don't understand yet, right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
Yep, agree with that completely. The possibilities are wild to
think about, right. I think it's fascinating. But I mean
the sciences. It's funny how much the sciences try to.
I feel like they're getting better at blending with these
types of beliefs. But for the longest time, of course,

(01:42:51):
science is science, and this is like woo woo when
it's out there, But is it really if you think
about it. I mean, think about the things that Tesla
used to talk about. Nikola Tesla used to talk about
these wild things. He believed very highly in crystals and
the power of crystals. Well, look at what it runs,
look at what runs off of crystal technology, you know,

(01:43:12):
not to mention the fact that we have that, like
we accept things in science, like theoretical physicists, you know,
like what was Sheldon on the Big Bang theory? Yeah, right,
and it's all theory, right, it's not you can't prove it.
It's theory, but it's science. And that's okay. Well, why

(01:43:38):
is what we theorize too wild? You know, where does
it end? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
No, you're right about that and so much here we
have our community, you know, you and I and our
you know at the Church of WU, right, and it's
so wonderful, and we are dealing with stuff that we
don't necessarily see. We can feel, we can taste, as

(01:44:05):
you mentioned. Oh you didn't mention taste, by the way.
I think that's another that's a that's another buoyance. That's
another boy is that. But in the world of theoretical physics,
they don't see ship, they don't they don't they nobody

(01:44:27):
was around for the Big Bang, So, but they can
tell us about it and how the math. They can't
see an atom with their eyes. They can't see an electron.
They can't know this is math, string theory, string theory,
the smallest, smallest, smallest thing that that that will never
get solved. Right, But they can't see it. But they

(01:44:52):
are moving towards right. But when it comes to consciousness,
they're in denial. When it comes to spirituality, they're in denial.
Life after death or goes Wait a minute, it's the
same stuff that you are working on.

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
Yep, right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
You want us to interdimensional wormhole time travel, multidimensional quantum
computers that work in another dimension in a parallel world.
You want us to accept that, But you don't believe
in ghosts.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Come on, it's wild. It's wild to me. I don't know.
It goes back to that whole denial thing or that.
You know, you can't force someone to change their beliefs,
but it's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
You know, what do you think power is a spirit?
What do you think is behind that? I mean, I
gave you my interdimensional right, but I love asking different
mediums and investigators. You know, when you see something like
that in the shadow figure. What's that made of?

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
My personal theory is PK energy. It's agregoric energy or
and it's not necessarily so people said, well, that has
to be from people in the space, right, Well, how
would they know about this priest right that's stuck in
the space with this name if they never researched it,

(01:46:21):
So how can they put that PK energy in the space. Well,
I also believe that we as people put our PK
energy into the space as we're living, creating kind of
an agregor of our own energy, and then we die,
and then the shadow figure who's stuck behind. Maybe it's
just this manifestation of all of this PK energy from

(01:46:44):
all of these emotional roller coasters that this person was
going through internally or whatever it was that was poured
into the space while they were alive and stays behind
after their death. Maybe that's what's going on right heavy?

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
I like that?

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
What do you do? Let's close out with this? This
is always I think it's on everybody's mind, But I
love asking psychics and mediums this question. How do you
handle walking into somebody else's house? You could be there
for dinner. Right, you could be there picking them up

(01:47:23):
to go somewhere, But do you have to go in?
How do you deal with that? Does it just all
light up?

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
I'm glad you kind of asked me that question, because
I am going to be the medium that's different than
probably the other ones that you've spoken to. I am
very lucky in the fact that I am in the
off position at all times. I do not have to
protect my energy or keep them at bay or tell
them back off. I'm not working right now. I don't

(01:47:50):
need to do that. When I work, I turn the
light switch on, kake, time to work, switch the awareness.
Here we go, and then when I'm done, back to
normal state of mind. It's the weirdest thing because a
lot of other mediums are not like that. They're so
blown open. They're like, oh my gosh, the spirit is
bugging me. They won't leave me alone like I told
them to go away. I don't have that problem at all.
I'm in the off position at all times, and when

(01:48:13):
I'm ready to work, turn the light switch on.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Okay, that was a good political, politically correct answer.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
No, it's the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
No, no, okay, no, fair enough, But you're not telling
me the whole truth. Do you go? Okay, so what
I'm going to get it out of you. It's my job.
I've been doing this for a long time. But but
so let's say you go to a house for the
first time. Mm hmmm, have you turned on the switch?

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
For sure? Okay, Okay, that's that's the We're sure all
right now. Now we're getting somewhere, Okay, So do you
keep it to yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
You know, I surround myself like I don't have normal friends,
Jimmy My friends are like Toby Johnson and Alicia Pfeiffer
and like, you know what I mean. So when I
walk into someone else's location or space, they usually are
asking me to tap into the location anyways. So I

(01:49:21):
kind of get that where I don't have to really
hide it from the person because they're kind of expecting that.
So say I Tobe and Alicia asked me to come
over to their location, They're like, what are you picking
up on? Because they're out in the middle of the
woods doing Bigfoot research, you know, literally in the middle
of nowhere in the woods. So it's usually my friends
are I just live in this world where that's kind

(01:49:41):
of the expectation when I come over. What's going on here?
My friend Jeff, who runs a shop in Port Towns
in Sacred Portal, who actually introduced me to Toby. I
think I've been there Sacred Portal, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
And Poor Towns in Washington. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah,
that's a cool little town by the way. That's a
haunted ass town by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
Yeah, that's all a lot of work there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:06):
Oh, I know, you do a lot of work.

Speaker 1 (01:50:09):
Out in Townsend definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
You know how many people listening to the show have
been to Port townshend None. Right, it's tiny, it's tiny,
and to get there, that's that's work to get the
poor town. It is like the I think it's the
northern most town in the United States before you get

(01:50:34):
to Alaska. Well, yeah, where do you go from Poor Towns?
And after that Canada you go to Victoria.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Yeah, it's pretty up there. It's on the peninsula.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
It's like the farthest northwest and it's a tiny, cute,
cute que town.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Full of vampires, a job full of vampires.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Full of full of it, full of gluey and all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Yeah. But I think I've been to that shop. I
think into that shop. I love walking.

Speaker 1 (01:51:02):
Yeah, it's a great shop, and Jeff and trees Hoo
are fantastic. But Jeff brings me over to his mom's
house in one of the bordering cities there. And it's
not like, let's go over to my mom's house for lunch.
It's a my mom is experiencing outrageous paranormal activity. Could
you please come over here and tell me what is
going on on the land so I don't really have

(01:51:25):
to hide it from people when I tap in because
the people I hang out with, that's probably why they're
having me over at their thoughts in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Right right, right right. Somebody just posted Port Angelus is
the most northern town as Yeah, they're next to each other.
They're next to each other. Yeah, I didn't claim to
be Marco Polo everybody, jeez, man, but that's not right.
Port Angelis Church Port Angelus, man. But I've been to both.

(01:51:58):
I've been to both. Book.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
Yeah, there's some good areas on the peninsula. I love
that Forks is real good. Crescent Lake is like one
of the most beautiful hidden gems ever. But the thing
is that whole peninsula. If you come in to you know,
Washington State. You're having a drive like three and a
half hours from the airport to get there, so it
is a trek if you're flying in.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Oh Man Bridges Islands, just proof. It's endless. It's but beautiful,
absolutely beautiful. But okay, so you go, you turn on
the switch. And the only reason why I bring this
up I have a very dear friend of mine. You

(01:52:44):
may know her Amy Amy Hoye, and she's an amazing
psychic medium. Man, I almost want to tell you about
her new TV show, but I don't think I can
mention it yet. Oh yeah, she's doing she's doing. Man,
I'm I'm not going to say the network. New home

(01:53:05):
buyers are looking at houses and she goes in and
reads the houses and tell them if it's a good
idea or not.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
That's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Yeah, that's a great show. It's a great I'm so
I'm so apologetic if I didn't say the network. I
didn't say the name of the show. I didn't say anything.
But that's what it's about. Anyway. She's amazing and she's
a neighbor of mine and I I go out a lot.
We you know, we hang out. We met in Egypt, yeah,

(01:53:37):
we live in this tiny little town together, but we
met in Egypt. Isn't that weird? Yeah? It meant to be.
But anyway, so she goes into house and I look
straight at her. Okay, what's going on? Yeah, there's stuff
going on? And do you want to hear about it?
And no, I don't? You know? But she do you? Okay?

(01:54:04):
So let's say, if it's something bad, and that's what
I'm always afraid of, you don't hear about the good witch,
you hear about the bad stuff. If it's something negative,
do you reveal it to them?

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
I think that my idea of what's negative might be
different than others idea of what is negative because I'm
looking at it from a standpoint of why is this?
Why am I viewing this as negative? What are they
trying to show me? Is this a spirit who's showing
me who they were as a person because they want
to atone for that, or they're trying to be honest

(01:54:37):
about who they were as a person. Maybe they're not
that way now, but that's how they're presenting themselves to
me because they want me to know who they were, right,
So they may not still be that way. So it's
about listening. When I go in, listening to what's going on,
trying to feel into the situation. What's needed in the situation.
Does somebody need to be prayed for? Does somebody just

(01:54:59):
need to be acknowledged? What's going on in this Is
it residual? Is it intelligent? Those kinds of things as well.
If I find something to be of a little bit
more of a negative aspect to it, Okay, why is
it that way? And what can we do to kind
of appease that situation? Where can we meet in the
middle with this spirit or this situation? Where can we

(01:55:21):
meet in the middle so that we both can share
this space and be at peace?

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Yeah? Key keyword, share word, share this space.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
M yep, Yeah, because that's what it is. You have
to They're always around us. Spirit is not separate from us.
We're just there's that's the illusion that spirit is separate
from us. We are not separate from the spirit world.
So they're around us all day every day. We may
not be completely aware of it at all times, but
they're always near us. So we are sharing the space

(01:55:54):
when it comes down to it, right, So it's about Okay,
if something is presenting itself in a way that I
can see or I'm feeling or I'm experiencing. How do
we come to a conclusion of sharing this space? What
do you need? What can I do?

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
What? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Hey, maybe he's an old guy who doesn't like noise,
and you know, you're playing your drum set all day,
you know, so maybe it's right, okay at this time,
this is the only time. But at this time, I'm
going to play the drums okay, and you're going to
deal with it, but I'll be quiet from this time
to this. So it's about reasoning with the spirit in

(01:56:32):
the space, you know, because maybe he's just a grumpy
old guy who wants his quiet and you're just too loud,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
I hope everybody's listening to you right now. They've all
heard me talk about what goes on here. Okay, places
on it. But I have chosen to just deal with it,
share this space, and that's it. I'm not I freaked
out like twice and I didn't like that. Yeah, I

(01:57:02):
live alone, so it's an opportunity for a lot of
people to freak yourself out, yeah, you know, and to
get scared. And I would say that that only amplifies
the situation. Yeah, or you can go, man, what do
your thing, I'm gonna watch this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
That's the better way probably to handle it. I would say,
the more energy you give it, the more it's going
to manifest. Sometimes you just have to go okay and
move on with your day and not give it that energy.
Sometimes you're feeding it, you're feeding that space, and the
energy of you paying attention and getting a reaction just

(01:57:48):
pushes more energy into the space for it to manifest
even further. So yeah, sometimes I think just kind of
going oh okay and moving on with your day is
probably the best way to handle it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
It's so funny to me, and I get it. I do.
I understand people want to know, all right, So why so, Jimmy,
why don't you have camera set up in your house?
Why don't you have a medium come over? Why don't
you Why aren't you burning this? Why don't you pouring
salt in front of your doors? Whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
Right? And I understand that because I used to think
that way, and well I do in certain situations. Not here,
this is where I live. If I'm going somewhere else, okay,
all right, okay, so we're at we're at the Avalon

(01:58:40):
Hospital in Crescent Heights. Whatever, Okay, I don't give a crap.
I don't live there. Let's go in and pull the
zach begans, you know, if you know what I mean.
But I don't think you want to do that where
you live.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
No, you don't. I think I've heard, and I don't
even know exactly where this came from, but I heard.
Never investigate your own house. Just never investigate your own house.
I feel like it stirs things up. And what if
you find something that you can't handle, that you don't
want to you don't want to know, and now you
can't un know it. So it's probably better not to

(01:59:18):
investigate your own house.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Yes, somebody said to me, and then we'll wrap the
show up. Somebody goes, so, Jimmy, you need to put
cameras at the bottom of your stairs and catch this
entity coming from the second floor to the first floor.
And I no, no, I don't. That's that's the last
thing I want to see. I mean, the very at

(01:59:43):
the very at the bottom of the list would be that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Oh great, let me catch the shadows.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Yeah yeah, let's yeah, let's just oh man, let's you know,
I have all these moving shoes in my closet, right,
and it went on. It's chilled out the last year.
But the first three years, uh, three years after I
bought the house, it was like every day, right, and
these piles of shoes in the middle of the floor,

(02:00:11):
and it was crazy. And so I went and got
Motion time Laps cameras. I never set them up. They're
still in boxes. I never pulled them out. And but Jimmy,
you need to fill these falling shoes. And I got
I had I had the cameras. Brook, I'm serious, I'm

(02:00:31):
saying it. I was like, okay, all right, I'm right
choice and I was like, what am I doing? Do
I really do I really want to see that little
walking shoes on the flow man? No?

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
No, definitely not. Probably the better choice just to keep
the cameras in the box and keep your sanity.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
You know what a fantastic show tonight and a great conversation.
We've got your website up of course, Meetbrook Ashley dot com.
We've got that up, Wore. Can everybody reach out to
you and follow what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
You can follow me on Facebook at Mediumship with Brooke Ashley.
So it's just Mediumship with Brook Ashley on Facebook. That
would also be the same for my Instagram. You can
also catch my YouTube Specter and Spooks podcast all one word.
I just did a short series for Halloween. Speaking of Halloween.
They're just really fun spooky stories about ten to fifteen

(02:01:28):
minutes each narrated by me. So you can catch that
at Spectrum Spooks Podcast on YouTube as well.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
Thank you so much, Brooke. I look forward to our
next conversation. Perfect nice. Thank you so much. You're great,
Brooke Ashley. Everybody, and again, thank you so much, brook
Happy Halloween. We've got Brooks links up below, over on
our website and throughout social media. She's got a lot
of stuff out there, and she's right. So it is Facebook,

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and it's YouTube TikTok, and if you head over to
her website, which we have below, everything else that you
need is right there. I am your host, Jimmy Church.
I do want to remind everybody that tomorrow is October
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What's gonna be revealed?

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
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