FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Jim Harold

Tonight, host of the Paranormal Podcast, Jim Harold, joins us once again for our annual Halloween Special!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:26):
This Hope Radio for the Masses.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
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really changed, the game Game Changer.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this work.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
This is Day to Black.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's your host, Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
All right, welcome, how you doing Fade to Black?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Who?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Man? I got to be on my A game tonight. Yeah,
Jim Harrold is here. Today's Thursday, October thirty, two thousand
and twenty five. I need to be the media professional. Yeah,
no mistakes. I can't say the word um not allowed tonight.
Jim Harold is here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Let's do this, man,

(01:35):
Let's have a good time. Tonight is Halloween Eve. Tomorrow
is Halloween. So happy Halloween to everybody. I say this
every night on the show. This is my favorite time
of the year. And we've had an amazing week this week.
Monday night we had the Leo King here talking about
three I Atlas and Wow. Tuesday, I Brooke Ashley was here.

(02:01):
We talked about the history of Halloween. Last night we
had a three I Atlas special event because it was
October twenty ninth, and tonight our annual Halloween special with
Jim Harold. He is here once again this year. Jim
and I are friends, but and you know, once in
a while we chat, but it's just once a year. Man.

(02:24):
We get all caught up on the family stuff and
get all of that out of the way. Very excited
Jim Harold is back with us tonight and we're going
to share some stories and everything else, and you know,
try to try to get scared. And here's the other
thing with Jim, and again, I'm just going to be

(02:46):
a media professional. Every time he's on the show. After
the show was done, something happens in my house every
single time every and it's like, man, I gotta call Jim.
I got to tell him what just happened. This is
a story for campfire We've got. It's just like it's
just the way that it is. I'm very excited Jim

(03:08):
Harold is here. I am going to jump straight into
the show tonight and I want to do that our
time is always limited and we run out of time.
Every time Jim is on the show, We're going to
go through some of his scary stories. He is the
absolute best with that true paranormal stories. I've got a

(03:29):
few true paranormal stories too, I may share tonight as well.
So we're going to do that tonight. It is the
Halloween season. And let's not forget why Jim is here.
Jim is here because he's my friend, but he is
also a radio professional, a veteran. He understands what it

(03:53):
means to be a host, what it means to put
out top quality media. He is an absolute pioneer in
everything that we do. I have looked up to him
for a very very long time. And if you follow Jim,
which most of you do, you know recently he did

(04:16):
a couple of posts and he doesn't do this often
about where Campfire is right now in the world of
not only podcasting but media in general. It's absolutely incredible.
He's got his book series. Of course, they can't Fire
book series, and we'll talk about all of that and
much more tonight. The one and only Jim Harrold is here. Jim,

(04:37):
how you doing.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I'm doing well, and thank you for the kind words.
And but I have to take a little objection. I
say um plenty, so you can count how many times
I say I'm tonight. So thank you, though, that was
a very generous, generous introduction the word um.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
The word um is kryptonite and broadcast right. And when
I was in school, one of see I just did
it right, one of one of the teachers said, okay, now,
this is this is the one thing if you're going
to learn anything, never say the word. Use another word,

(05:16):
but don't say it. And I remember going, man, you
just messed me up for the rest of my life.
That's not even.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I've got a bad thing about saying you know. And
it just comes in conversationally. It's like, you know, it's
like stop that, just pause or something. So we all
have our little things that we say. I mean, there
are people who are letter perfect, you know, Paul Harvey,
broadcasting legends, and people who never utter a wrong syllable.

(05:47):
I am certainly not in that class.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
No, neither am I There is see I just did it. Now,
Now that it's there, you can't get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
And with.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Golf, okay, there's a trick that you can do. Yeah,
there's a trick that you can do with golfer. If
you have somebody that you just want to terrorize, maybe
you've never beaten, and you just want to ruin their game,
then you just go up first t box and go,
hey man, just wondering when you backswing, do you inhale

(06:24):
or exhale? That's it. Bet a thousand dollars before you
say those words, because now you've ruined their game, right,
that's it, that's it. That's it.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
They're overthinking. If they're focusing on the breath, they're not
focusing on the shot.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And that's what by saying that the word, never say it,
You've just ruined Why Why do that? Just why do that?
This is why do that? Congratulations though, and okay, I'm
gonna I'm gonna do my best Howard Stern. I don't
do impressions, but I'm gonna do Howard Stern right now.

(07:05):
This is what Howard Stern would say right now to you.
He would go, So, Jim Harold, you've got a media
empire that you've built, and now you're hanging out with
Mick Jagger. What's that like? And that's really true? Do
you feel it? Do you feel the success.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, I mean, I think you're overstating a little bit.
We had a really good chart position in the top
one hundred of all podcasts, believe it or not, of
all podcasts, not some subcategory, all podcasts. I looked up
and I saw Mark Maron and I saw Trevor No.
This is on the Spotify charts for the US, and
it started last week. We got as far as eighty.

(07:49):
I think today I was ninety three. But that's of
all podcasts.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Say, that's insane.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
In a way, it probably is a it's a Halloween spike.
I won't stay there, but hopefully, you know, we'll keep
some of those listeners. But I'm just like, you know,
twenty years and I'm suddenly in overnight success, Jimmy, I
don't know why.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Well, see, but that's exactly my point. And I appreciate
you saying you're overstating it. I am not. There's a
lot of people in this game, okay, and to be there, congratulations,
it's just got to feel pretty good.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, even if it's a temporary appearance, it did feel good.
I got twenty of screenshots, Yeah, I got plenty of screenshots.
I'm like, Okay, where am I at today and people say, well,
you shouldn't care about that, but come on, we're professionals.
We want to do well. And that's like you know,
you win award or you rank high on the charts.

(08:45):
It's beyond you know, ad money or anything. It's like
a sense of accomplishment, like, wow, I did something. All
the big networks Wondery and all these huge networks and
just Jim Harrold there and you know, and you've you've
had the same success, so you know what that's like.
When you appear in those kind of places, with those

(09:05):
kind of people, it's like, wow, I did that. So yeah,
I took a moment to say, yeah, good job. Now
let's get back and keep doing more of that so
we can even do better.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Well, here's here's the cool part. One day, your wife
is going to be speaking to your grandkids and go,
he was number eighty five on Spotify once your grandfather.
You know, yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty incredible, pretty incredible.

(09:36):
It's Halloween and I want to get the stories of
flying tonight and we always have such a good time
with this, and this is what I thought. I thought
I'd change it up a little bit. Okay, I'm going
to share with you a true campfire story, my own,
and so I'm going to kick it off with there,

(09:58):
and I want to see where your brain goes after that. Okay,
this is a one story. I've told it a few
times on the air, and I've even had maybe one
or two people that were with me on this particular
night on the show. And to do it a little
more set up. Last year, I went back to Indianapolis.
You and I were just talking about Indy a few

(10:19):
minutes ago, and I went back to Indy and we
had a get together of all of our you know,
high school friends at at a friend of mine house,
Kurtz House, and this story comes up again. And there
was like three or four of us out of the
five that were there for this. We were all there
that night last year. And the story, well, the version

(10:46):
of it that I'm going to present pretty much is
what everybody is an agreement of. Okay, so this is
what happened. We have a little spot off of these
train tracks and a dirt road out in the country
in a cornfield, and that you could only access on

(11:09):
this dirt road. But we could pull back there as
kids do with your parents' car and park behind the
trees where we could drink. Okay, all right, and it
was we called it the Electric Company because in front
of us there was a field about the size of

(11:30):
a football field and grass surrounded by cornfields all the
way around, but with these transformers, right, and that's sat
in front of us, behind this chain link fence. So
we called it the Electric Company. And so we would
go and we backed the cars up and sit and
drink and do the things that kids do. So we're

(11:51):
there and I'm sitting behind the steering wheel, I'm in
the driver's seat, I'm driving, and I've got to one
person in front, three in the back seat, and we're
smoking pot, drinking beer. And this fog rolls in as

(12:12):
we're sitting there, and so the chain link fence and
the field and the cornfield, all of that is gone
now and the car is surrounded by this thick fog.
You could only see to the hood of the car. Okay,
this thick fog. We were not really paying any attention
to it. But it's probably midnight or so. And then

(12:35):
suddenly out of the fog in front of us comes
this figure in blowboy and he comes out of the
fog and he had a hood on. I couldn't see
his face. And we're in the middle of the country, man,
there's no nothing around us. We're in a cornfield. Where's it, right?

(12:57):
And we all freak. I remember grabbing the steering wheel like,
oh crap. And he walks right up to my window
and he looked and I can't see his face. I
can only see the hood and he's in black and
he's looking down at me. And everybody is screaming. Right,
It's like pandemonium. And I rolled down the window a

(13:23):
crack about that far. I roll it down and he
leans into the window and he says, have you seen
my dog?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
What? God?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I roll up the window and everybody is screaming, and
he's just standing there.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, like his dogs like coojah, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
What did he say? I said, have we seen his dog?

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Ah?

Speaker 1 (13:50):
We're screaming. He turns and walks back into the fog
and disappears. The next night, next night, we were back.
Now we spent a lot of this is you know
our neighborhood?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
This you know?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
This is it right Cumberland? Yeah, we know where we're at.
We went back the next night, uh, and looking around
and there's no houses for miles, right, there's nothing. There's
nothing but Cornfields. What and the direction that he came from.
He came from the east from where he the front

(14:26):
the hood of our car for the next ten miles
is Cornfields's cornfield. There's nothing there, man, there's nothing. What
the heck? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Have you seen.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Do you think it was a time traveler of some sort,
maybe from the past looking for his dog.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
One hundred percent ghost, one hundred percent, one hundred percent
spirit shadow being. If he would have had a scythe
that would have been a different story all the time.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Oh yeah, yeah, with red eyes.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
But he had that look, you know, he had a
hood on. And this was nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
It was man, scariest thing ever, scariest thing ever. Yeah,
all of this last year when we got together and
we were telling the story. The wives that were there
that may have heard the story or whatever but had
never heard it directly like this, when we're all talking,

(15:29):
they were just all saying the same thing. What and yeah,
And I'm telling you, even as adults at the age
of sixty, still was a scary, scary moment. Yeah, something
that could have gone in any direction.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, yeah, so you know it kind of if you
want me to share a story here, it actually ties
in really well with one of the top stories I
was going to tell you tonight about a young person
experiencing something they shouldn't have experienced. Aubrey just called in
maybe literally three weeks ago on the campfire, and she's

(16:05):
probably in her mid mid twenties now late twenties, and
she was attending the University of Pittsburgh twenty nineteen. So anyway,
it's an urban campus, right, So she parked her car.
You know, there's not much parking, so she parked a
little ways from the campus by some hospitals. So anyway,
it was daytime in the fall, and she's walking back
to her car. She had her AirPods popped in listening

(16:27):
to her tunes. A regular afternoon, there were people. There's
nothing sinister or weird about it. So on the opposite
side of the street there's a bus stop and there's
a woman there with a black jacket on. She said
it might have been a leather jacket, and she was
an attractable woman. She was kind of smiling and like
intently steering at Aubrey and she had this striking, vivid

(16:50):
red hair. It was so red that it gleamed in
the sunlight. Now she appeared normal and attractive. She just
stood there looking at Aubrey through the crowd with this smile.
Aubrey didn't think much of it. She glanced away, continued
walking towards the crosswalk, and when she looked again moments later,
the woman had somehow moved to those trees right to

(17:12):
the bus stop corner, now much closer, almost an impossible distance.
She would have to been a sprinter to cover that.
And all of a sudden, this woman's right next to her,
and there's people around, but nobody else seems to notice her.
Now at this street corner, this woman's there, and she's

(17:36):
not really smiling, this time in a friendly way. She
bears her teeth at Aubrey. It's this strange, fixed, menacing smile.
She kept staring directly at Aubrey. Now, Aubrey thought, look,
it's a metropolitan area, it's the city, let's face it,
there's some disturbed people in the places. This is just

(17:57):
some weird lady and whatever. So as she was walking
down the hill towards this service lot, she was looking
down at the road to avoid potholes. And she looked
up and guess who was standing directly in front of
her in the middle of the road, inches away the
red haired woman. Aubrey nearly runs into her, stopped short

(18:19):
tries to sidestepp her, but the woman's face had completely transformed.
Her mouth had stretched unnaturally wide, almost up to her eyes,
showing way too many teeth crowded in her mouth at
odd and weird ankles, and the smile went all the
way up if you're watching on video, up almost to

(18:39):
her eyes. Her eyes were sunken. They had a grayish
film over pain pale green irises. It was kind of
like a snapchap filter or something. So anyway, this grinnet
looked inhuman, something you'd expect from a Halloween mask, but
it was real, And Aubrey said she had this incredible
sense of fear and dread, old sweat, unlike anything that

(19:02):
she'd ever experienced, pure dread. So she quickly sidestepped this woman.
She not looking back. She hurries to her car, terrified
she'd see her again. She backed out of the car
lot started to drive up this steep exit road and
guess who was standing at the top of the hill
in front of her, blocking her path. The woman the
woman again. The woman's face looked normal but angry, and

(19:26):
it was glaring at Aubrey from beneath her brows. Now,
I loved what Aubrey said, and she said so much
better than I can say here. But she basically said, well,
I hope she gets out of the way because she
was gun in her car. She drove straight towards her,
her hands tight on the wheel, and she kept looking
at the woman's chest, not her face, because she couldn't

(19:47):
bear to look at her face. Woman stepped aside the
last moment, raised one hand in anger, like she was
trying to grab her door, and then Aubrey sped away.
Aubrey said she got on the freeway as soon as
she could. She pulled over. She started crying. She was sobbing.
She was terrified. She calls her boyfriend and he said

(20:09):
it's just some weird person in the city. But Aubrey
says it wasn't human, but she doesn't know what it
was now. What she does say is that she's never
had a paranormal experience in her life before this, and
never had a paranormal experience after this. But this happened,
and she has no idea what this woman was, what
she represented or anything. So I don't know. It's kind

(20:33):
of like my.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Hair on my arms, right, that's hereat I had that
happen to me with a woman at the DMV. That's
another story. But here's the thing. Here's the I love
the part of that. Let me ask you this, Do

(20:55):
you drive your car through it? I think I do.
I think that's the right reaction.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Gun it, And I think it's the right reaction. I
think I might be too conscientious, but I think I
think that's the right reaction. I could see myself say, oh,
I might get sued, but I mean maybe that time,
you know, because it's it's fight or flight, right, I
don't blame her a bit.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the way she said it.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
And the thing was about Aubrey, she's a young lady,
tells a very good story. This was on two or
three weeks ago, and I believed. I believed her one
hundred and ten percent, and she really had the conviction
of what she was saying. And the way she said that.
She's like, well, I hope you get out of the way.
I love the way she said that. But because you
could tell don't mess with Aubrey or you know, you'll

(21:43):
get the horns.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Didn't follow her home. She made it home safe.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
No, she made it home safe. It was interesting a
couple of days ago, and I've got to look into this.
I think it was on YouTube somewhere. A commenter said,
there's a Japanese lure like this of a woman with
a very kind of unnatural smile, and I forget what
it's called, and I need to research it and find
out what it is. Like this is a thing like

(22:09):
what la Verona is in the Hispanic culture, or black
eyed kids are in our culture. This is a thing
apparently in the Japanese culture. So I've got to research
more into that. But again, I think our reality is
so much more bizarre and strange than we give it
credit for. So who am I to say that Aubrey

(22:31):
didn't see something like that. Maybe it was from another dimension,
another time, another parallel universe. I don't know. Maybe it
was a demon, so many possibilities, but I think it
was something.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, it reminds me of the black Dahlia. Remember her
her face? Yeah yeah, yeah, hut to make her smile, right, Yeah, Yeah,
that's that's that's free. Okay, all right, all right, I
got another campfire. This is true story, excellent true story.
Let's trade. Let's well, this is as far as I'm
gonna go. I'm not as good as at storytelling is

(23:06):
Jim Harold, but I'm gonna do my best. It's like
getting on stage with you know, Eddie van Halen, What
are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Well,
you're just gonna hang. You're just gonna hang. You're just
gonna do what you can. And Eddie, Eddie would say, oh,
you're doing fine. And that's what Jim Harold's gonna say, Church,
You're doing fine. So nineteen eighty eight, I'm at a

(23:34):
nightclub and I'm meeting some French I'm throwing a party
at a nightclub, and I'm meeting some friends at my
girlfriend at her house, which is a backhouse in the
heart of Hollywood, heart heart of across the street from
Scientology on Franklin if you know that area that is
right there. It's across from the Hollywood Bowl and she

(23:57):
has a backhouse. So I drive it's you know, probably
two thirty in the morning. Club closes at two. We're
all meeting at her place. And I get there and
I am first the house in front. Nobody lived in Okay,
but she lived in the back house. So I pull
into the back where the garage is, and the house

(24:19):
is off to my left, and I'm waiting for everybody
to pull up behind me. I'm sitting in my car
and I just glance over at the house and it
had a front porch and a big picture window. Jim like,
I don't know, eight foot by four, you know, just
a big picture window in the living room right there.

(24:40):
And I glance over at the house, just minding my
maybe the radio is playing whatever, and I see somebody
pulled back the curtains and look at me, and I went, oh,
I guess her roommate's home. And then I get mad.

(25:04):
They know I'm here. Why are the lights off? Why
didn't you come up? Why didn't you know? And so
I was a little bit angry that I was sitting
outside for ten minutes. And so I get up and
I go to the front door and I wait for
the front door to open. They look out, they see

(25:24):
me sitting in my car. Right it's me, And I'm
saying that nobody comes to the door. So then I knock.
Nobody answers, and now I'm pissed. And I wait for
a few more minutes and I go back to my
car and I sit in my car. Now I'm burning up, right,
I'm angry, man.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
God.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Sure, Finally two cars pull up behind me, and one
is my girlfriend Kira, and behind her is her roommate
with her her boyfriend Chris. They get out and I
look and it's her roommate, who I thought was the

(26:09):
one that looked through the window, right, And and they go,
what's going on? Because somebody's in the house. What And Chris,
big dude, He's like, what what I said?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Man?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Somebody looked out at me from the front window, and
I went up and knocked on the door. Nobody answered.
So now we're all ready, we're all ready to go.
And uh, you know, storm in. It's a little it's
a back it's a back house, right, it's like two
bedrooms in a living room, in a kitchen. Small. Nobody there, nobody.

(26:47):
We went through the whole house. Uh, the back doors locked.
There's nothing in there. I've got everybody freaked out. I'm
freaked out, and I go back up, Jim, I go
back up to the curtain and I pulled it back
and looked at my car just like what I saw.
And I just kind of did this a couple of
times and went, well.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (27:12):
The next day, Okay, the landlord comes over and we're
all there, and the landlord then tells us that he
can't rent the front house out because his son committed

(27:33):
suicide there a year before by lighting himself on fire
in the liberty right. And I went and I looked
through the back door as he's telling the story, and
I just looked into the house and I just backed out.
And I think that was like the last time I
was there. I think that I think everybody moved out.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
That that's amazing. We've we've had stories of peace, people
who were in cars and people would look out and
look in the car and they would see more people
than were actually in the car, that kind of thing.
But since we're doing personal stories, I do if we
have time before a break, I do have a personal
family story which is one of my favorite stories. I
may have told it to you before, but it's so

(28:18):
good and it's so much shapes I think the reason
that I do what I do, that I'd love to
share with.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, go go.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
So this is my dad and my mom. You're going
back to about nineteen seventy. Jim Harold was a baby then,
and they went to visit grand Mammy and Grandpappy in
West Virginia, where they were from. I grew up in Ohio,
born and raised, but they were both from West Virginia.
And they dropped little Jimmy off to Grandma to watch

(28:47):
so they could drive out into a secluded area. Now, Jimmy,
I don't want to know why they were driving out
to a secluded area. That's their bus.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Innocent enough, innocent enough.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes, in the nineteen sixty eight Buickle Saber, so a
nice big land yacht, you know that big engine. But anyway,
they drive out and it's like a mile out of
dirt road, and you know these rural areas, they are dark,
they are pitch black. There's no street lights, there's no
light pollution, there's nothing like that. So anyway, they're sitting

(29:18):
there contemplating the mysteries of the universe, I suppose. And
my dad said, and my dad's still with us, just
turned ninety years old, God bless him. My mom unfortunately
passed a number of years ago. But anyway, my dad
and my mom always said, and I heard this story
probably the first time when I was like four or
five years old, as long as I can remember, the

(29:40):
whole sky lit up and this was where a sustained
period of time. And my dad said, and my mom said,
they agreed except for one little part about the whole story,
said that it was so illuminating that you could read
you know, those big, big speedometers they used to have
on the old car in an analog clock. You know

(30:02):
that never kept good time.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I missed those so much.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Those cars were so cool. They have personality. But anyway,
the point is is that, I mean, it was just like, ah,
you know. So anyway, then my dad said, he turns
to his left. Now this is the part my mom
did not see, and he said, a man with a
welding mask was standing there. That's the way. But now

(30:26):
I remember, these are assault of the earth people. My
dad was a steel worker for thirty five years. My
mom was what they used to call a homemaker now
you call stay at home mom. So these were not
people with pyramids under their beds. They weren't getting in
touch with the oneness of the universe. Very kind of
feet on the ground people. So anyway, he turns and
he there's a man with a welding mask, that's what

(30:47):
he called him, and said the man put his hand out.
Then my mom said they turned and there was a
hill with a bank, and then in her words, I
saw a bunch of birds, the biggest birds I ever
seen in my life. And they said they had these

(31:07):
huge wingspans, these birds. And at that time they decided
to get the hell out of Dodge. So my dad
goes out fully expecting to see something in the news
about some kind of explosion or something that the like,
they're not thinking, you know X file. You know, there
wasn't even the X files back then, but you get

(31:27):
the idea. They weren't thinking anything like that. Uh, And
they left and they never heard another thing about it again.
And uh, you know, I've heard that. And there's one
other family ghost story that I've heard.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
But here's who let me let me comment.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, yah yah yeah, yeah, yeah, yea yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
These set up for my story and the setup for
your story are similar. Out in the out of the country, right, yeah.
Dirt road, dirt road. Yeah, I got a guy in
a black could you got you know, your parents.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
A man in a welding mass whatever, what does that
you know? And so you have to yeah, maybe that's
the way, but that was his frame of reference, right,
Was it a man actually in a welding mask? Was
he in a spacesuit? Was he in an etui? They're missing?
Was their missing time? And I'll tell another thing that

(32:24):
occurred to me. You've probably interviewed Mike Clelland before the
Messengers about the owls. Sure, uh, And he's always interesting,
And I said, could this been some kind of screen memory?
Because he was describing some story and as he was
it was clicking with me. It was clicking with me.
And I'm like, you know, could could those because he

(32:48):
always talks about the owls being screen memories? Could these
birds have been screaming? Because it's kind of an et story,
It's kind of a cryptid story. It's one of these
high strangeness kind of things. You know, not too long
from the time of the Silver Bridge, maybe three years,
but it was a different part of West Virginia was
a more northern part up towards Maryland, so different part
of the state. But you know, West Virginia was once

(33:11):
known as wild, wonderful West Virginia. A lot people say
weird wonderful West Virginia though, because there's so many spooky
stories that eminate from there. So I don't know what
they experienced, but I fully believe, I fully believe that
they experience it. And there's another family story I could
share later maybe, but the point being, I think that
set the stage for me because the story never changed,

(33:32):
and my mom was not into the paranormal, though my
dad would watch things like In Search of and Unsolved
Mysteries and stuff. But again, you know, just regular folks the.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Veil. I think that's where I'm coming closer to am
I thinking on all of this gym, and I know
that you and I have talked about this so many
times over the years, but you know, what is it?
What is the phenomenon? What is goinging on here? And
we all think I'm getting closer with my feet on

(34:05):
the ground, thinking that just maybe two worlds or many versions,
we're all existing at the same place. So I guess
the best example, and we're seeing a bleed through of that.
The best example would be here here, you and I

(34:27):
are doing this. You know, I'm in my studio, you're
in your studio. But maybe right now we're doing the show.
But I've got a friend standing here, right that there's
somebody here, so and then momentarily the frequencies or whatever

(34:51):
allows me now to see that version of the world
when somebody is standing here. Yes, I think it's a ghost, right, right,
And they probably think you're agost the other vert right,
And I'm kind of physics says that this stuff is

(35:13):
the way it works, right, the multiverse and multi world
theory and dimensions. I'm just what, there's too many ghost sightings,
There's too many, too many vanishing Okay, all right, all right,
I'm going to tell you another alternative world story. It

(35:36):
was a Sunday. I'm twenty years old, nineteen years old.
I wasn't old enough to drink, but I have my
own apartment. I had moved out of my parents' house
and in Indianapolis, and so on the Sunday, and I
did this on a lot of Sundays. I would gas
up my car and just go for a drive. I
still do it to this day, right my days off,

(35:56):
just fill up, drive and then have the tank, turn
around and come back and see what I discover. And
I was out doing this on the Sunday, and I'm
coming back from driving out east. I probably went one
hundred miles one hundred and fifty miles east and turn
around and I'm coming back and it's in the middle

(36:17):
of the day. It's probably one in the afternoon, and
I'm in the neighborhood where I grew up and on
this street, which was Washington Boulevard, US forty, and I
turn at the local dairy queen that I know well
and out here in the country, this is the same

(36:39):
street that the electric company's on, but the electric company's
like five miles away. And I turn and I'm heading
into my parents' neighborhood. And as I'm driving through this
clump of trees, I pass this four rent sign and

(37:00):
that catches my eye in the trees and I look
and it's a white house with an ing, small white
house with an in ground swimming pool in the front yard.
And I blow past it. I went what for rent?
It's summer in ground pool. And I whip my car

(37:21):
around and I go back. I park my car Jim
as I live and breathe walk. I walk into the
front yard. I walk past the for sale sign and
I look at the in ground pool, and then I
look to my left and on the other side of
the yard it's a channeling fence and there is a
small family plot of gravestones in the trees, and I

(37:45):
could see them. There's like five or six and that
kind of freaked me out for a second. But i'd
look at the d ground pool. I look at the
gravestones inground pool. Yeah, yeah, in ground pool. Trump's gravestones. Right.
So I so I go up and I'm looking at
the window and I see this little living room and
I see a fireplace and then it's all small like

(38:06):
a kitchen area and another door. Oh man, let's go
get my buddies. But this is it. I'm gonna. I'm
gonna rent this house. So I go back and I
jump in my car. I go back and I pick
up two of my friends, Curtain Jim and maybe even
a third, and I'm telling them about man ingroundpl front

(38:27):
yard and where is it, dude. It's down the street
from Dairy Queen. What are you talking, dude? Come on, man,
you're not gonna So we all drive back. The house
is gone. It's gone gone. And they were like church.
I was like, no, no, no, no, it's here and

(38:48):
go back to Dairy Queen. I turn back around and
we're coming back, and I'm like, oh, what's going on.
There's only two streets out there. Two that's it. There's
nothing else out there. And I zig zag and I
went back. And I gotta tell you, even as an adult,

(39:09):
I've gone to Google Earth and looked up and down.
There's only two streets out there off of Washington Boulevard
and it's like County Line Road in German Church Road
or something and nothing. I have been back as an
adult and have driven up and down those streets. I'm
always looking for empty lots. I was looking for, you know,

(39:31):
maybe they tore the house down, remnants from the in
ground pool, looking for the gravestones. There was a chain
link fence in the yard right that was nothing. House disappeared.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I you know, it reminds me because I've heard a
lot of not exactly the same story, but very very similar,
and that gets into the idea of alternate realities and
time slips. The story it reminds me of is there
was a woman in New England and this is in
the eighties, so it's pre cell phones and all that stuff.
So she went to night school at this college about

(40:08):
an hour and away. And it's January and it's cold,
and she's driving on the freeway and her car breaks down.
It's like, you know, what's seven thirty eight o'clock a night.
It's cold. She pulls over to the side. She's like,
oh my god, what am I going to do? I'm
stuck here. I've got no way to communicate. I can't
walk or whatever. And she looks down and luckily there

(40:29):
was like a two lane road running parallel, and there
was this gas station and it was open, and she said,
thank god, I'm saved. And she wasn't really dressed for it,
but she said, I'm not going to just sit here.
I'm going to climb down this embankment and go over
there and get some help. So she walks down the
embankment and she goes in and I think the time

(40:51):
I think was like five to eight or something, and
she's talking to the attendant. She's telling them the situation.
I need some help. He's like, man, can't really help
you much, ma'am. It's five to eighty. We're about ready
to close, he said, but the owner lives here and
he might be able to help you. He lives on
a property right of joining this. All of a sudden,
the guy like, he doesn't like spontaneous. It's not like

(41:12):
Samantha and Bewitched. I mean, he's just gonna go blink.
But he just kind of shows up. She didn't see
him walk in. He just kind of shows up. He
tells her situation. He's like, of course, I'll take a
look at it. And he goes up on the road
and he looks at and he said, well, I can't
fix it tonight, but what I can do is give
you a tone. And she said, oh, thank you so much.
He says, well, where do you go to your garage?

(41:34):
And she tells him and he takes her there and
he hasn't even asked for any money, and and she
asks him, well what do I owe you? And he says, well,
you know, twenty bucks or whatever was wherever was it
was like extremely fair. And he said, you got to
get home. I'll give you a ride home. And she's like, oh,
thank you, thank you, thank you. And then she realized

(41:55):
she's on a cash so she's got to go inside
when she gets at her house to get a check
to pay the guy. And she goes and gets checked,
comes back, and the guy goes before excuse me, before
she goes, he says, tell your parents not to worry
about a thing. Everything's going to be fine, which that
didn't really make much sense to her. But anyway, she

(42:17):
gets checks, pays and says goodbyes, and you know, she saved.
The car is in the shop, she's at home. Everything's cool.
So a couple days later, they're going to town and
same direction, go shopping and they usually stay on the expressway,
but they say, she said, get off at this exit.
I want to show you where this older guy is
kind of very fatherly kind of guy. I want to

(42:38):
show you where this guy came from, because he's probably
one of the nicest people I've ever met. He went
out of his way for me. He didn't have to
do it. They go down and sure enough, the service
station is there, but it looks like it's been boarded
up for about fifteen years. Don't know what that means.

(43:04):
What does that mean? What does that mean? It's just
like your disappearing house.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
At that point. At that point, what do you do?
First off, you pee a little bit. That's okay, yeah,
just a little bit. But what do you what do
you do? Do you run? Do you do you think
about it? Do you investigate?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I think I just drove fast. Well that's the thing
I've noticed by a lot of people who have these experiences.
You just go on with your life because you really
have no choice. But it's something. I mean, this woman,
this was a story from thirty forty years ago, so
it sticks with you your whole life.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Okay, let's stuck with you, right right, right, right right, Okay,
I don't want to stretch this neck. I'm gonna I'm
gonna share. This reminds me of another story I like
doing it that we've never done it this way. But
I took pictures of this and I posted it on line.
I was out in the desert riding my Harley maybe

(44:06):
a year ago, and I'm going up to a little
town called right Wood. It's a pretty cool little hippie
community skiing in the mountains. And although I live in
the desert, but the mountains are right there, and so
you can go from the Mahabi desert up into the
mountains instantly, you know, a couple of minutes, you're at altitude.

(44:27):
It's amazing. So I'm up there taking pictures and there
was just a fire up there, and so I was
taking I parked my Harley. I'm way up high, so
the Mahabi Desert is below me. It's majestic. It's just beautiful, right,
And I'm out there taking pictures of the fire line
because you could see the burnt trees and then where

(44:51):
the fire stopped right, and then everything was under pretty
dramatic photography, you know, to have the opportunity to see.
So I go up with this. I'm not very far
from my from the road from where I park my bike,
maybe twenty yards over a couple of things, and I
come over this ridge and I look, jim a grave,

(45:17):
a grave with a four foot tall cross made out
of temp you know, like you know, big big tall
cross and the grave and I just stopped. I going,
what just in the middle of nowhere? Man, there's nothing, nothing, nothing,

(45:37):
This is the mountain desert. And but the grave had rocks,
and the grave was pretty big. It was like four
feet by maybe eight or ten feet, and then a
perfect square of rocks with this gravestone. I was like,
whoo what there's no name, right, nothing and it's in

(45:58):
the middle of the desert. So I take a bunch
of pictures and I come back and I post it
and Okay, that was a year ago. I have not
been able to find this grave. I've been back, I know,
and I'm so freaked out now. I don't want to

(46:20):
because I don't want to turn this into something that
it's not right. I could very easily be walking a
few degrees in the wrong directions and just walk past it.
But I have looked probably a half a dozen times.
I've stopped. I know, I've walked over and it's gone. Man,
I can't find it. I can't find a time slip.

(46:41):
I don't know what's the purpose of it. I don't
know why was I meant to find it at that
moment and see it. I don't know. You can see
the pictures in my social media. It's it's pretty substantial.
It's not small. It's not like a little, you know,
cemetery thing was it was big. Can't find it well.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Coincidentally, because I was going through some stories and I'm like, well,
what stories am I going to talk to Jimmy about tonight?
And I found one. It's a few years old, but
I thought was kind of a neat story, neat little
ghost story. Not too elaborate, but it has to do
with a graveyard. So anyway, this caller, her name was
Alana right, and her husband was into genealogy, so he
was looking up his grandparents great grandparents generations back and

(47:26):
found this one old cemetery where he had multiple great
grandparents buried in things. So these graves weren't kept up.
So they both went to this graveyard where his great
grandparents were. The husband cleaned up the grave, cleared them off,
took care of the grass and everything so he could
do some stone rubbings. Now, during this whole process, Alana

(47:50):
kept hearing someone saying thank you, thank you, and she
was wondering if it was her husband's great grandparents. So anyway,
their car is parked within eyeshot of these graves. So
they go back to the car because he's gotten his rubbings,
he cleaned up the graves, Alana keeps hearing thank you.

(48:12):
They get into the car, it won't start, and Alana
turns and she looks out the window and she says
she saw her husband's grandparents standing by their graves waving by.
She rolled down the window, she waved back. The grandparents

(48:37):
disappeared and then the car started.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
That's not only is that true? I would I would
like to experience something like that. I what is it about?
What is it about the addiction fear? Is it the adrenaline?
You know, you get it once and now you want
to get that feeling again. What is it?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
It's a roller coaster effect, right, that's why we watch
horror movies.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Well you do this, you campfire and the paranoid everything
that you. People resonate with this because you know, you
get your imagination going and get the chills.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Well, the thing is is that people tell me and
I don't know if this is a compliment or a curse,
if it's negative or positive. People say, I listened to
the campfire to calm me down and I can fall asleep,
And I'm like, brought to you by somemon X. But
but it's funny. I just saw there's a study that

(49:47):
a lot of people are soothed by watching horror movies.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I saw this at no, no, it was just sent
to me. I was going to Renee, who's listening now?
Sent that survey, right, the horror movie survey, And that
was a pretty complete survey, by the way. That was
that was pretty amazing to see how in depth it was.
Horror movies rate up there with comedies number one, Horrors

(50:18):
like number three out of all of the genres that
are out there.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
It is.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
It's crazy. And you know what else I saw on that? Okay, yeah,
they're shining and you know, and the extor system all.
Do you know what they classed?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I don't know if you caught this Alien is classified
as a horror movie. Did you? Well?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
It makes sense, it does.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I heard the crap out of it.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
That was my very That was my very first VHS
when the eighties when we got a VCR. I got
a VCR and my first like official not recorded off
of TV or anything, was Alien. What a great movie.
I got it.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
I love it. I gotta confess. I watched Alien start
to finish two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I watch Oh man, it holds up there, and I
gotta tell you, did you ever see that scene in
Spaceball's where they make fun of the scene where the
alien comes out of John Hurtstock.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
But then but then in Spaceball's I think it's Michigan
j Frog and he's like.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Hello, my baby, Hello, He's got a top hat, he's
got a top hat that. Yeah, it's great. It's a great, great,
great scene. It's probably better than the Alien scene. Actually, yeah,
it's the way that they did the way that they
did that. But uh, looking back at this, uh, the

(51:44):
horror movie aspect, we we know, going into it with
a comedy or a drama or some action film, you
probably hopefully are going to be some prize by the
ending a horror movie. You know what's happening, You know

(52:04):
what's going on?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, right right, it's not when they go and say
let me go investigate. It's not gonna have a happy ending.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
No, No, don't go in that room, don't go in
the woods, don't.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Go in the don't split off from Yeah, don't split off.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
From the group. Don't drive a split off from the group,
right right, right, But we do it, we watch it anyway.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
But why do we ride roller coasters?

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I know, you know, it's it's a similar kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Do you have a favorite scare you just mentioned Alien.
Do you have a favorite horror movie from your childhood?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I think so, And it's probably not one that a
lot of younger people will know. And it's probably not
one that people would think because Shining is definitely up there.
Exorcist is definitely up there. The Omen's definitely up there, yep,
Because I go for those kind of psychological things much
more than the Friday thirteenth or Saw type stuff, although
I'll watch those, but I think that psychological horror is

(53:02):
much scarier. Rosemary's Baby way up there.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Now, let me tell you why those are my top
five as well. Okay, And I like where you're thinking
with this. The reason why I look back at those
films as an adult, I've I've realized those films were
shot by directors that made them real. Rosemary's Baby was

(53:31):
a real situation in a real you know, apartment building,
The Exorcist, right, it's right, the Omen, you know these
and they were shut the shining right, they weren't. These
weren't horror, you know, that wasn't the setup. The setup
was normal people, normal thing.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
And then so I like Hereditary. Hereditary is a lot
like that too in a more modern movie. Yeah, a
little yeah, yeah, that's so. And with Rosemary's Baby and
the Omen and in some of those movies, there's actually
real life corollaries in terms of well, Exorcist is based
on a real case, as you know, Saint Louis, but

(54:13):
of a boy. But if I remember correctly, but there
were horrible things that happened to people connected with Rosemary's Baby,
and also horrible things in real life and people connected
to the Omen. They were essentially cursed films. I mean
Roman Polanski, Sharon Tate was his wife. We all know
what happened to Sharon Tate shortly after that movie. Charles Manson,

(54:37):
I believe. I don't know if it was the person
who scored the movie or something, but somebody who was
very involved in Rosemary's Baby fell out of a window
to their death. And there's actually a scene in Rosemary's
Baby where somebody falls out of like a window from
a building to their death. The OMEN, I think Gregory
Peck's plane was struck by lightning, and then I I

(55:00):
think another person was killed during the making of the Omen,
or was later killed and decapitated or something. I mean,
just weird, weird coincidences, weird stuff if they're coincidence.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
And I uh, I believe. Let me ask you this.
The power of the mind is strong, and if you
fear something, and if there's something that's emotional to you,
that there is the power to manifest this stuff and

(55:33):
you can turn around and make it real. Slender Man.
It's a great example of that, you know what I mean?
Or what what Tulpa's Yeah, Tulpa's or you know a
modern example, a great example of it is Forbidden Planet.
And if you think about it, the monster that they
were fighting was the ultimate monster from their minds, and

(55:58):
that's why they couldn't defeat it, and they couldn't necessarily
see it or make it physical, but it would show
up because it was created. It was the ultimate opponent, right,
created from the created from the d Yeah. Yeah, that's
that's I have. Uh, we're gonna head to a break.

(56:19):
I talk about this stuff all the time, Jim, And
if I have Pandora's boxes is the wrong, but it's close.
If I if I have a fear, it's I'm gonna
go upstairs after the show, after dinner and get ready

(56:40):
for I'm going to go into my bedroom. I'm gonna
turn on the light and there's gonna be something standing
in there. You know what I mean. It's just like
it and it's it's like I'm asking for this to happen,
and so I think about it every night. Oh I
do there's Jim. There is not a night that I
don't go up those stairs and go into my bedroom

(57:02):
that I don't have that thought like tonight.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I think about it from times it's time. I wouldn't
say every night, but I do think about it sometimes.
The thing that I worry about is the idea stuck souls.
That's like my phobia, is this idea of stuck souls.
That somebody dies suddenly or through tragic circumstances. You know.
I mean, some people die and they're like, you know,

(57:24):
ninety five years old. They've had a good life, you know,
it's just the natural progression. But then there's people who
die in the prime of life or just some tragic, horrible,
unexpected circumstance. And then supposedly some people say they're stuck
and they don't know they're dead, or they don't want
to move on and know those kind of things that
terrifies me. That's the kind of thing that scares me.
I don't maybe it's just because I've literally heard thousands

(57:46):
of stories. Says, I'm sure you have too, but but
it doesn't For some reason, it doesn't bother me that much.
Sometimes it does, but most of the time it doesn't,
do you remember Maybe I'm jaded. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
You remember the movie, uh What Dream May Come? Yep,
fantastic movie and I think that and it was so
different and so creative. But I think that that tapped
into a lot of our fears. What if we just
got stuck and didn't know it right? Because that was
the whole scary part for her was she didn't even

(58:22):
know you know that Lorgatoria wouldn't. It's like it's like
like sixth sense, right, Yeah, yeah, totally, totally totally. Just
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Tonight is our annual Halloween special with the one and
only Jim Herald. He's been doing this with us for
years and I really look forward to it and we're
just telling scary stories tonight in celebration Halloween. Halloween is
tomorrow night, and Jim, So, you've got Campfire one through

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five out, but Campfire six is due this month.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
No, No, that must be an old bio. I should
have updated my bi Six is out. Six has been
out for a year. So that's my bad. That's my bad, everybody,
not Jimmy's. Not Jimmy's. That's on me. Now six is out.
I was gonna do seven this year, but man, it's
been so busy. I just like, it's hard to get
a book out every year. It really, it really is.

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But we have six of them out, and each one
has sixty five to seventy stories in it, and we
basically take the best. We take a two or three
year sample and we take what we think are the
best stories, and we just clean them up a little
bit to make them more readable, but we keep the
true intent to it, the true voice of the storyteller.
So if you like, I mean, I hate say it,

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it's a great bathroom reader. You want a quick story
or two or some people read it when they go
to bed, you know, kind of like what we were
talking about earlier. It helps them to go to bed
reading a reading a spooky story. So those are all
available on Amazon, and you literally type in Jim Harold
Campfire and they'll pop right now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Jim Harold dot com everybody, and we've got it up
in the chat, but Bill and Jessica and John, if
you could get that access up into the chat one
more time. What is it? What is it about that
the dream state of going into we like I do.

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I like a good nightmare once in a while, and
I went through a really bad period. It was a
good period, a bad period of reading scary stuff and
listening to scary stuff before I went to bed, and
I would do it to set to make sure that

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the chess pieces were placed out correctly for really good,
terrifying dream. Do you ever do that? Wow? Do you
ever do that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
No, I've ever done that. I've never tried to kind
of bring on a nightmare. It's just I don't remember
having Mainly, when I have nightmares, they're like a job
that I had fifteen years ago and my boss is
po'd at me. That's my nightmare. I don't have monsters
coming out of me or coming at me or out

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of me for that matter, or at me or anything.
It's like always like a boss from like fifteen years
ago disappointed in me. It's just a really there's something
psychological going on there. But yeah, I don't really have
a lot of horrible, terrifying dreams. Now, it's always possible

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that I forget the dreams, you know, they do say
that as a thing. Definitely, you sometimes forget your dreams.
But it's so funny you mentioned dreams because dreams have
been coming up a lot on the show, and we
just had a call the other day. I don't even
think it's been up on the show yet. I'm not sure.
I don't. Sometimes when you're dealing with all these stories,
they kind of blend one to another. But we had

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a young lady from Tennessee and she told the story
and it wasn't particularly scary, but it's interesting because it's
a phenomenon that you see in the dream state sometimes.
Is she had a dream that she was in like
a body of water, like a river or something, and
there were alligators and her dad was looking at her
and he was on a boat. So you know, it

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was kind of scary dream, but not, you know, not horrible.
She gets up in the morning, there's a little just
she just told me this two weeks ago, and she
tells her mom and she's like, uh, do me a favor.
Don't tell your dad the dream but go ask him
the dream he had last night. So she goes and

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asks her dad, Hey, Mom, said you had an interesting
dream last night. What did you What did you What
was your dream?

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Well, you know, he said, it was the weirdest thing.
You and other members of the family were in the world,
and they were all these alligators and I was standing
on a boat looking at you. And that's it. That's
the story. And I often say the best campfire stories

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end with a question mark, not a period. And this
is a thing because I actually just recently for one
of my Plus Club shows, I spoke to a dream
expert and I threw that story out to him and
he said, that is common people co experienced dreams, and
that's why I believe. And along with and we had
another amazing story from a woman from the UK who

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had a similar story, who had that kind of a dream,
but it was actually a premonition of a potential car
accident that almost happened a year later, but literally because
of the dream, something that happened in the dream, they
didn't do what they did in the dream. They did
it differently and they didn't get in a car accident,

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but they were in exactly the same, the exact same.
It was like a Florida or something like that. Everything
matched up, and her and her boyfriend had exactly the
same dream. And this this dream expert told me that
is definitely a definitely thing. I believe that there's dreams
where you know, Jimmy, you go to the grocery store,
you are the produce section, you get ahead of cabbage,

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and then that night you're dreaming you're flying on a
head of cabbage. It's just nonsense, maybe, or maybe our
our brain is filing things, but I think that there's
these other dreams where we tap into something. Just had
an amazing story of someone who literally saw the nine
to eleven attacks. Very serious guy, very smart guy, Mark

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from New Hampshire, very earnest guy. And he said he
had the dream of the I had a dream of
a plane, an American Airlines plane with when they had
the silver side of it and the blue and red stripe.
And this was a few days before nine to eleven,
and that a crab in some kind of a building

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and he was out in California and he was hesitant
to fly home until he realized the plane that was
going to fly on was not American Airlines and he
wanted to call the airline and tell them, and his
friend said, no, don't do that. Don't do that. They're
never going to believe you that there's going to be
some kind of plane crashing into a building. They're not

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going to believe it. And then he had another friend
who had to fly from the coast and he said,
I will not let you fly if it's on American Airlines.
It was not, and they flew and they were okay.
So anyway, morning of nine to eleven, he's asleep. Phone rings.
It's his friend that he was staying with on the coast.
He said, turn on your TV. And it's the planes

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crashing into the Twin Tower. He said, oh my god,
that's what you dreamed. And he said, no, that is
not what I dreamed. I did not dream these, you know,
huge tall buildings. These were not very large, you know,
massive skyscrapers. That why I dreamed. So anyway, a few
days later, the video of the Pentagon attack comes out

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and Mark sees it and he goes, oh my god,
that's what I dreamed. There was green grass, it was
a lower profile building. That is exactly what I dreamed.
And he really had almost PTSD from it because he
felt so guilty that he didn't let anybody know. But Jimmy,
I ask you, what could he have he done? And

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I told him, I said, Mark, don't beat yourself up
over this. And you could tell it still impacted him.
It still impacts him. There is absolutely nothing because one
of two things would have happened. First of all, they
were thought, Okay, this guy's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
They probably get calls like that all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
The time, exactly exactly. Then let's say he did call,
and let's say it did happen. Did he have anything
to do with it? Did he have any foreignoledge of it? No?
When situation Nope. And he even talked about how he
went to visit the nine to eleven exhibit in New

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York and how he saw some of the records and
that was very, you know, impactful to him. But you know,
there's something about the dreams. And I also look at
these calls about people who connect with their loved ones
and it's not like the average dream people say it's
more real than real, it's more real than reality. And

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then there's some kind of closure, there's some kind of communication,
and I believe that's totally real, because something when we
dream sometimes I think we enter a state where you
talked about the veil before the veil is thinned somehow.
I don't know what it is, but I believe it's
a real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
The last month, two months ago, but this is recent.
Speaking of dreams, I have this dream and of some
friends of mine in Indianapolis. So I'll wake up and
I remember the whole thing. It was really cool. So
I call my friend and his wife picks up Michelle

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and h I or Julie, and I go, Julie, I
dreamt about you guys last night. She goes, oh, really,
what I said? I just it was crazy. Bruce was
selling a purple sixty nine Dodge Challenger online very specific. Yeah,

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and I so I I see it, and I said,
don't sell the car. I'm going to buy it. And
I drive out to your house and it's part in
the front yard. And then he wouldn't. I never bought
the car because he wouldn't tell me how much it was.
And then the dream ended. She goes, what kind of car?

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I go, nineteen sixty nine purple Dodd's Challenge. She goes, really, yeah,
it's crazy, right, She goes, I bottom one for his
birthday twenty years ago. It's sitting in the barn. Nobody's
seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Whoa Wuchael, what.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Now to your point? Oddly specific? Right, And Julie and
I just sat on the phone with each other, going
that is the craziest thing. She goes, oh, won't start.
It just sits in the barn and he keeps meaning
to get a star, but nobody knows about it. Just
it's been in the barn for twenty years. I didn't

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know about it, you know, and how weird. And I've
been telling him to sell it. I've been telling him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
And and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Like your friend, you know, like Mark and his story, right,
and then you get the validation of it afterward, like
I did with with my phone called it Julie. And
that's when you've got to step back and go. Man.
The skeptics and the critics about this kind of stuff
that want to pooh pooh it and say it's this
or it's that, don't know what they're talking about. They

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haven't been through the experience.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Right, Well, let me ask you this. I'm gonna if
I can't turn the tables on you for a minute. Now,
you've experienced a lot of things. You've shared several of them. Tonight,
I ask this of my guests of Campfire who have
multiple experiences. Do you think you are more sensitive than
the average person? And maybe that's why you're finding yourself

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exposed to these different things? And furthermore, is that why
you do what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
I'll save this for the interview on Campfire that was
supposed to happen for the last five years. That's a
great question, and I'm thinking about that more and more now,
you know, at this place in my life, and I
I kind of answer it in this way. This is

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my this is my own resolve of the issue. Okay,
so it's kind of personal, but I feel that because
of the lack of parental or adult guidance as a child,
parents divorce young. You know, my mom's single mother. She's

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doing her own thing, raising five kids, and so I
didn't have adults around me to guide me. You know,
I'm six years old, seven years old, eight years old,
nine years old, going through that period of my life
where I was free to do what I wanted, right.

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I didn't have an adult that say no, or this
isn't this or and I fell into UFOs the paranormal
at a very young age, you know, and I just
really enjoyed the subjects and so I feel that that
allowed me to open my mind and accept this kind

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of stuff and also pay attention to it. Pay attention
to synchronicities, pay attention to coincidences, pay attention to these
things because they all happen for a reason. Deja VU's,
you know these things, and so yes, as I have
gone through life, I probably experienced just as much as

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everybody else. Okay, but I see it right, you know
what I mean? Yeah, I pay attention to it. I'm
looking for it. I want those things. So yeah, yeah,
and I think that totally answers your question. It and
it put me okay, all right. So the second half

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there was a multi layer question. So the back half
of it was is it why I do what I
do now? Trip on this? When I was six years old,
seven years old, I was very young. I had a
recurring dream and vision when I was awake of me

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doing this, okay, wow, And I didn't know what it was.
I didn't know what it was. It was me sitting
in a studio talking into a microphone, interviewing somebody and
telling stories in the dark, right, But I didn't. I
didn't know. I had the glass right, the studio, the microphone,

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the head for the whole thing doing what I'm exactly this,
But I didn't get it. I didn't understand I told it,
but it was. It was a constant thing. When I
started doing radio and I was in a radio studio
at you know, at a network, and in there, I

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swear it was the craziest day javu. It was just
like weirdness every night, every night, or just come on, hi,
I'm your host, hummy church, and people are listening to me,
and they're listening to the show, and I'm tripping on
the daye of that's what's going on with me in
the studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
It really is something else. Well two things. First of all,
I looked, I surreptitiously looked while you were talking. The
last time you run, apparently was twenty twenty one, and
that's absolutely ridiculous. So as soon as we get done tonight,
I'm sending you an email so we can book.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
And then you send me an email last month. You
send me an email last month, I'll post it right now.
You want me to post it up for everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
No, so you don't need to post it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
You don't need Jimmy, Jimmy, jim Harold. Here that slipped
between the cracks man, let's get a show going right away,
and Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Okay, well we'll do it. We'll do it. I want
to do it. Let's let's get it. Let's get it going. Oh.
I was going to say, something is weird, not that
I want to make it about me, but just interestingly enough,
a weird little synchronousy about me and the fact that
I'm into this stuff. You know. Part of it, I
think is when I grew up. You know, I'm in

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my mid fifties, so in the seventies the seventies, people
forget we're a very kind of a cult spooky time.
You know. There were a lot of different TV shows,
a lot of popular media. But what was interesting is
I grew up in a very industrial area. People say,
you live on the wrong side of the tracks. Well,
I could literally see the train tracks from my house,

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so I almost lived on the tracks. So it was
very I mean, my dad was a steal worker, and
unlike everybody else that he worked with, he didn't move
out to the suburbs. He stayed like within ten minutes
of the steel mill, so you could you could look
out the front window and there was like a bof
blackstockygen furnace and there's fire belching out of it. So

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that gives you the scene. But what was weird is
I had a group of kids I was close to
an elementary school and we totally lost touch for thirty
years and when we reconnected through Facebook. And Facebook does
have its bad elements and it's getting worse all the time,
but it helps reconnect you with people sometimes who you've

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lost track of. Each one of the two there was
a girl I was very friendly with and there was
another guy I was very friendly with, and both of
them totally independently ended up working in spooky stuff. One
woman does spooky crafts and sells spooky crafts and does
those kind of things. Another guy does an internet movie

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horror host thing. And I mean, it's not exactly the
same thing, but it was like something in the ether,
something among those kids that grew up in that neighborhood.
Maybe because it was so gritty and industrial and I
don't know that gave us an appreciation for it. Maybe
was the horror hosts that we followed as kids. But
I always found it fascinating that three of us into

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dependently made a big part of our careers in the
world of the spooky. I just thought that was kind
of uncanny. You know, three kids in the same elementary
school class ended up working in that field.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Do you know who Ryan Murphy is? Yeah, okay, American
Horror Story and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Glee all that, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Yeah, And he is, you know, he's he's one of
the power people here in Hollywood, sure, an immense amount
of success. He was my neighbor growing up. Trip on
that right, rode the same school bus. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
right down. And so we were last year, we're driving

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around my old neighborhood with some friends, were taking pictures
of you know, everything, and and Kurt, who's driving, he
goes him in It's Ryan Murphy's house right there. I go, yeah,
that's right, wow, right, you know what I mean? And
so I stepped back and I thought about this. We

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grew up in the same neighborhood, same school, same friends,
same teachers, right, same environments, same everything. What happened to him?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Right? What?

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
You know, although we kind of you know, we both
left Indianapolis and came to Hollywood and and built a
career and you know, me doing what I'm doing. But
he his stuff is so it's great, it's great, it's great,
but it's twisted, man, it's way twisted. Same you could

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literally hit a rock or hit his house with a
rock from my house rightly eight houses away. And you know,
what's the what's the difference or is it the same?

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Did we drink the same water and and there you go. Yeah,
it's it's bizarre like you and your friends.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Uh yeah, I don't know, it's just it's synchronistic. I
got to share one quick story because I wanted to
tell you this one. We were talking before about movies
and I brought up the sixth sense and I kind
of had an ulterior motive because you know that famous
that famous scene, you know, I See Dead People. Well,
this is actually this story. I entitled it I Smell
Dead People. And it's a short. It's a quick hitter.

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This is Emily from Florida. Her mom works in the
psychiatric field. She actually works the facility where folks live
who are dealing with issues in those kind of things.
And this facility was in a small town, and it
had been a three story hospital. Now that the top
two stories are where the patients lived, and the bottom

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floor was for offices for the staff and the administration. Now,
some patients had access to those offices on that lower
floor to see their doctors and their social workers. And
Emily's mom said, and Emily had been there too, She said,
you know, this was not what you would think. It
was very bright. It was very airy, very pleasant, not

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scary or dark. So one evening apparently, or one day,
she said, she was in her office and one of
these patients came into her office. And this female patient
walks in and starts sniffing in the air in her office,
and the woman thought, well, Emily's mom thought, you know,

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these patients sometimes they'll be a little eccentric. They'll do
some things you don't expect. But she asked the patient,
she said, is everything okay? And this woman keeps sniffing,
and the patient says, I smell dead skin, and she
turns around and walks out. So it took her back
a little bit, Emily's mom, but she thought, you know, again,

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these people have some eccentricities. That's probably what's going on.
She actually walked the patient back to her room. So anyway,
later in the day, she's talking to some co workers
and I kind of do like a double take, and
they said, uh, you know the floor we work on,
And Emily's Mom's like, yeah, right, that used to be

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where the morgue was for the hospital that was here before.
Emily's mom was speechless.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
What do you do with that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
You know? I read the other day, Jim, check this out.
I did not know this. I do a fader fact
every day, right, some some facts, some crazy thing, and
I have a dark mind.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
If you get in there, it's it's pretty scary. But
I like fun facts, different facts, all right. Not how
many vertebrae are in a giraffe's neck, you know, I
don' don't care about that. But so I read this
fact and I did you know that fifty percent of

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the air on the is dead skin?

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Oh god, right, just unpacked that and yeah that's delicious.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Oh man, mind the gap to of the air you
breathe on the subway is dead skin cells. Yeah yeah, yeah,
No more subways for me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, it makes me want to take an uber or
taxi or something.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
But which goes back to your point. Though people can
smell that. I'm sure if.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
They know what they're right, right, And well, I mean,
was she smelling some kind of remnant or was it
more of a ghostly thing. I was thinking more of them,
like again, because it's the show, you know again, it
might just be it might be physiological, but I was
thinking maybe she was sensing the spirits, thus the dead skin.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Yeah, I'm going darker than that. She was smelling real
dead skin.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Yeah. I think that's scarier than actually the ghostly explanation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Yeah, it's unbelievable to me. How uh, how do I?
How do I say this? When when I see something
where I feel something and it could be it could
be a movie, could be a documentary, could be a book,
It could be a song, could be driving around in
the car. But I'm always on the brink of what if?

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What if? What if? I I write my Harley a
lot and I live out here in the desert, so
one of the things. And when I say desert, it's
the Mahave Desert and you get out there and there's nothing,
and it's majestic. When you're on a Harley riding around,

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it's straight up. What you think it is is very
very cool, but you see strange stuff. And I have
pulled up two old abandoned homes that are sitting in
the middle of nowhere, right, there's nothing, nothing out there.

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And I pulled up and a parked and walked around,
and I just thought to myself, this is the moment
where no Speratu shows up, right, this is the moment
where some ghost shows up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
I'm just picturing him coming to him out rock Rack
and white Nose. For who's coming out? This is it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
This is the man with the hook. You know. I
go back to my Harley and there's a hook on
my bike, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
But that makes me yeah. But here here's another one.
And this goes back to one of your earlier stories
about the house not being there, and there's been books
written about this premise I think Blake Crouch might have done.
When there's different ones, but the idea that that you
go one day out on your ride, you go on
your your half a tank where you go out and

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then you come back, and then you come back and
your house is not there and nobody knows you. It's like,
but I'm Jimmy Church and like, who's Jimmy Church. We
have no record of a Jimmy Church.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
You know what they say. In the world of physics,
jim Everything's will happen any you know these probabilities.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Any possible permutation could happen. Like basically, we're doing this
show in another multiverse. But I'm in front of the
guitars and you're in front of the jellyfish.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
Right right right by the way. I tried to find
those jellyfish. I can't. I can't find them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
I think they're like. I looked for a replacement because
people would like nobody gives a damn, would I say,
all they care about the jellyfish, the jellyfish. So I
tried to find a backup jellyfish so when these die,
I can just put them right back. Can't get them in,
can't get them at least the one, at least the
one I have. I think it's hammicker women or whatever

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you say that. And my wife got him for me
for Christmas, gosh, like ten years ago. And I'm like,
they're gonna eventually that And then some people are like
are they real? And I'm like, yes, I would put
poor little jellyfish in a tiny, tiny tank I'm just
that statistic I would do that. No, of course they're

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not real, but they're pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
I went through that years ago when I would do
my AMAS and I want people to ask me about
UFOs or ghost you know, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Ask about your guitar.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
That's what the dude?

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
What about that? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
What about that guitar?

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Can I see that? And I remember doing people there
are people listening right now that remember those days where
literally I would end up taking you know, fifteen twenty
thirty guitars. That was the show. Okay, here you'll know this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Is that true about Les Paul that he got in
a car accident and he actually had his arms set
in such a way that he would be able to
still play the guitar?

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Is that true that I've heard?

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
That? Is that true?

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
I've heard the same thing. I met him, I met
him and talked to him. I met him a few times,
but I remember the first time I met him in
New York and uh and he had come up because
he was a recording pioneer, you know, multi track.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Yeah, he did the sound on sound.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
That stuff right right right, And so I worked for
a company that he he loved. It was called the
Leasas that built those multi track recorders. So anyway, so
we're we're talking in New York at a trade show
and uh, I got to tell you, he said to me.
And he was not young. He was not young when

(01:31:51):
I you know, and this is thirty years ago. But
he goes, he goes, hey, man, I'll put you on
the guest list tonight, I'm playing you know, he names
the bar and playing Reds on Broadway, you know, tonight
with my trio. I'll put you on the guest list.
And I said, all right, how you know what I mean?

(01:32:14):
For everybody, that's a Les Paul right there, that's a
Les Paul. I've got a bunch of Les Paul's, but
I put that one up for Ace freely right after
he passed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Well they're heavy, yes, polls are they're heavy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Very very heavy. Guitar haven't changed in its design since
they came out when he first nineteen fifty three, nineteen
fifty four. And it's still the same guitar today, same design,
same idea, and there it is right there. But for
somebody like that, that has just changed, you know, the world.

(01:32:50):
How how many people can say that? Not many, you know,
And I'll give you an example, and then I'll want
your example. There is music. There is the world before
Elvis and after Elvis, right right, you know what I mean.

(01:33:12):
You know what I mean. And that happens once in
a while. Do you have an example of that. Who
changed the world?

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Well, if it's music, If it's music, the next one,
the next logical one are the Beatles.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
In other fields, I don't know. If you talk sports,
Michael Jordan, possibly maybe we're seeing another one with Otani
in baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
Uh yeah yeah, and uh Eric von dan can change
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
Oh yeah, yeah, Hey, I got a story about Eric Vondana.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Yeah, give it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
I've been winding to interview him for years. And I
got with his assistant and he's very gracious, and they
set up the interview. It was via phone. This is
Eric von Donekon. Very nice, but he was very gracious.
He was very gracious. So anyway, I had gotten this
new twelve track recorder and it was before the roaguecaster

(01:34:12):
and before I had the Apollo, and you know, this
is maybe ten twelve years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
And then.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
I, you know, did that and I'm like, damn, that
was a good interview. That was really good. Jim, you
should be proud of yourself because you know, I remember
watching a little kid Chariot of the Gods. It's like,
you know, I knew who Eric don donagan was way
before ancient aliens. So I mean, like, to me, I'm
like an old soul. I really gravitate to people like him,

(01:34:41):
the late Brad Steiger and people like that. Who I
loved Brad. He was fantastic. But anyway, so I'm like, oh,
this is so great. Let me listen back to it. Well,
remember this was a new twelve track recorder. Jim armed
the wrong track, so I had thirty lovely minutes of silence. Well,

(01:35:05):
luckily he was very gracious and we readed the interview,
but I must say it was nowhere near as good
as that first interview. And then I subsequently interviewed him
again when he had his next next book. So yeah,
but that's my Eric Bondanak and that's the only time
I've ever done that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
I've got an Eric's story. It's not paranormal, but it's
just like yours. Very cool. Checking my email in the morning,
this was two years ago. Three years ago, got an
email from Eric Vondanakin. So I opened it up and
it says, Jimmy, Eric, I want you to be my

(01:35:47):
first guest on my new podcast, Wow, when are you available?
And I'm reading one, I'm like, how did I what? So,
of course, you know, I said sure, And so it's
about a week later we do it. You know, he's, uh,
he's in Switzerland, of course, and I'm here in California.

(01:36:09):
And I don't get nervous. I've done way too many.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
I was out of my mind. I was out of
my mind, jim I was out. I didn't I had
no So he comes on and uh, it's it's a recording,
but he comes on and he's in his blue jacket, right,
and so he does the intro, he does the bio,

(01:36:35):
he does all that stuff. But then he goes, so, Jimmy,
I'm not making this up. You can go check it out.
First question I have to get, So, Jimmy, how did
you how did you get your start? I said, Eric,
you yeah, few, and just exactly what you just said.

(01:36:58):
How many of you know through your own experience, how
many like us in this community have that exact story.
I would say one hundred percent or close to it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Yeah, it was Chariot the Gods in search of Charles
Burlet's books about the Bermuda Triangle. Those were the gateway
drugs for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
For sure?

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
Other sightings? Do you remember that show?

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Citing sightings were good? The interesting thing. I'm in the
Cleveland market. And Tim White, who hosted that, later became
an anchor at our local NBC affiliate, which I was
at Monday doing an interview. So it's really kind of
but it was wild that he became an anchor here
after that. And I didn't realize this because I recently
saw Henry Winkler speak when he was doing his book

(01:37:50):
tour and he was a producer on that show, which
I must have forgotten or never noticed. He was a
producer like.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
An had his production company still does. Yeah, yeah that
makes sense. No I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Yeah, and yeah and uh yeah. It's one of those
things that just how it all in circles. But really,
I mean, for me, most people think of Leonard nanmoy as.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Somebody read that. Read what I just posted, can you see?

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Yeah, that's a great one. I've got the DVD set,
love it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
I do too, And I and Darren.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Between between playing Cole Check and the Dad in Christmas Story.
He is a god. He's a god in my book.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
Well, just I'm just gonna say this. Yeah, about a
year ago, I went, I don't have a DVD player anymore,
but The Nightstalker went through my thing because I found
the DVD set. So I went and I ordered it,
you know, just bought it from Amazon, and and I
sat and watched and binge every Night Stalker episode, just

(01:39:03):
thinking about how great that series was.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Yeah, it was, and it was ahead of its time,
ahead of its time. I think a great inspiration for
things like The X Files. And I worked with a
guy when I was in radio. I worked with a
sales rep who dressed just like Coltrak. He had the
same A nice guy, nice guy. But I'm like, my god,

(01:39:29):
he got his thing. He got his wardrobe from Darren mcgammon.
I was going to tell you one quick other interview
story and then I'll shut up when we can get back.
One of my favorite interviews was and I don't even
remember how this happened, was Rain Wilson from the Office
and he has a show called Radio Rental, and then
he had another show called dark Air and it was

(01:39:51):
basically a parody of Art Bell and so forth. And
I believe me, I have a deep belief in this stuff.
I think it's real. But I do think sometimes in
life you have to have fun with topics, whether it's religion,
whether it's politics, whether it's sports, sometimes you just got

(01:40:11):
to laugh. So he played this character called Terry Carnation.
So they were promoting this dark air podcast. So he
came on for a half hour twenty five minutes a
half hour, and he was in character and I interviewed him,
and I was the straight man, and this was all improvised.
There was no script, there was no direction, and for

(01:40:33):
thirty minutes, I interviewed him as though he was a
real Art Bell style paranormal host, the premise being he's
been a paranormal host for thirty years and he was
improving the whole time. And it's all I could do
but like just burst out laughing. It was some of
the most fun that I've ever had. I wish when

(01:40:54):
I did it it would probably an Now it's been
five six years ago before I moved into this house.
I wish I had better quality cameras and stuff, but
it's still it holds up it is hilarious since, like
I held my own for twenty five minutes with the
Rain Wilson. But he was so funny and I could
tell that he actually because I did talk to him
a little bit, he had a real respect for this

(01:41:16):
stuff and has a real interest. And he actually has
a spiritual podcast now. I think it's called soul Boom
that gets into esoteric and spiritual, not as much ghosty
stuff but more kind of high level, kind of like
deepoc Choper kind of stuff. But the point being, you

(01:41:36):
could tell that, yes, he was having fun with it,
but he did have a real respect for it and
he was fantastic because he was running like for the interview.
And I get a call from LA or he wasn't
running like, but it was a couple hours before the interview.
I get a call with from an LA area code
and I usually don't answer those because I figured there's spam.
But I'm like, well, I am interviewing Rain Wilson today,

(01:41:59):
maybe I should answer this. Maybe it's his assistant. And
I answered the phone and he picks up and he says,
is this Jim Harold. I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, well,
this is Rain I'm like, excuse me. He's like, this
is rain. I'm running a little bit late today. Could
we push our interview back an hour? Well, let me
see if I can fit in in. Absolutely, we can

(01:42:23):
do it. I mean, you know, I just thought was
the most fun. And I've never done a comedy episode
of any of my shows, but that was the one,
and I loved doing it. It was so much.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
There's a comedian and you should look him up.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Oh you have a film?

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
No, no, Brent Pella. Are you familiar with Brent Pella?

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
He's the conscious bro and he and now he is.
He is top notch, international, world class comedian, Brent Pella.
And just like what you just said, if you can't
make fun of yourself, if you can't laugh at yourself, right,
and his alien stuff. He goes full makeup and does

(01:43:06):
these videos. It's crazy. Uh, plays great, but but that's
that's not what makes it. Well, that's part of what
makes him so brilliant. But he knows the conscious community.
He knows the seven Chakras, the pineal gland and crystals
and yeah sage and and and and and all that

(01:43:29):
new agey stuff, which which I love. Those are my friends.
And things. But if you want that is the easiest
stuff to crack on. If you want to bust you
know what I mean? You could and you go and
watch Brent's videos. So what we did last year at

(01:43:49):
the Conscious Life Expo is we had him as a
special guest and the room was packed and we did
late night. Think we had an open bar, and I
think we put maybe five six hundred people in this room.
I introduce him and he goes out and to he

(01:44:11):
this is the Conscious Life Expo. He is the conscious bro.
This is a guy cracking jokes on about the audience
that he is speaking to. This isn't that a nightclub?
This is at the Conscious Life Xpo, right, And I
gotta tell you I was nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
I was, you know, either well, yeah, it's going to
go one way or the other. Right. People loved it.
People love Yeah, people loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
And I never want to make you know, I really
a big thing for me. It's really important for me
when people come on the campfire and share their personal stories,
I'm not making fun of them. In fact, I believe
the vast majority of people come on and I believe
a vast majority of people being one hundred percent serious.
So I want to take their stories seriously, so I
don't want to make light of them. But like I said,

(01:44:59):
in an other context, like what you did, like what
I did, or even I forgot about it until you
mentioned this, gentleman. But I've also interviewed Ufo Phil a
couple of times, who was a lot of fun. I
mean occasionally, you know, as long as you're not mixing it,
you know, as long as you're not making fun like
being the Morning Zoo where Hey call in with your

(01:45:19):
ghost stories. Aha, that never happened. I hate that stuff.
But as long as you're being respectful, but you do
these little comedic things in other venues, I think it's
just fine. I think it's a nice release valve kind
of because this stuff gets pretty heavy sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
Yeah, I remember, I remember this UFO Phil guy. Yeah.
Should I have him on the show? Is he good?

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
I think it was fun. I haven't talked to him
in years. He's on Georgia's show all the time you're
used to be. But I had him on a couple
of times. He was a lot of fun. He's totally
in character the whole time. One of the things was
he talks about his leader is Zaxon And I said, yeah,
he says his leader as I said, well, I said, Ufo, Phil,

(01:46:04):
I have a question. Why is your leader named after
an eighties video game? And he said, well, I am
not aware of any of such a relationship. And but
he does have very good skin. I mean, he's very funny.
He's very funny.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
What do you make of in a little time that
we have left? I would love to tell some more
ghost stories, but there's something more important going on and okay,
and and that is it's twofold one. Over the last
five years or so, you started to put on the
UFO jacket and you know what I mean, and and

(01:46:44):
started talking about this a bit more. Don't don't react,
don't react to that. Just go with just just go
just go with this, just go with it. But what
I have found with you is that your knowledge of
the UFO subject and things is as well researched, and

(01:47:04):
you know what you're talking about with it. And and
now all of the sudden, you being in media, me
being in media three I Atlas and what is going
on right now with that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
That is the wildest thing. Yes, but I want to
I just want to clarify something. I know, it's kind
of thought that maybe I've gravitated more towards the UFOs.
My second guest in two thousand and five was Stanton Friedan. Yeah,
you tell me that every single time I have always
I have always done UFOFF. You don't have to know

(01:47:40):
what you know why it is, though I know why
it is. See, when I started the Paranormal podcast, which
was so early I got the name the Paranormal Podcast.
But when I started that in two thousand and five,
to me, I always felt the paranormal included UFOs, and
included cryptids, and included ghosts and all this weird stuff

(01:48:01):
that we can't categorize, at least in recent years, paranormal
equals ghosts. And I never meant it that way. I
meant it frankly like Coast to Coast, where one night
it's cryptids, one night it's UFOs, the next night it's
ghost next time it's time slips, then it's simulation theory,

(01:48:21):
it's the Egyptian Pyramid exactly exactly, That's exactly what I
was shooting for. So but but anyway, three, I atlas
Avi Lobe, who I've gotten to interview a couple of times.
I don't know if I'll be able to get on
again him on again. He was just on Rogan, and
I mean, when somebody's on Rogan, it's difficult to get

(01:48:41):
him on again. But but.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
You know, I'm not convinced. But it seems very unusual.
He just released an article and there's like about eight
different things that are like within point zero zero zero
five percent happening by chance. Okay, And one of the
things the Wow signal, you know, the Wow signal from

(01:49:07):
nineteen seventy seven from my home state, Ohio State University.
And I have a graduate from Ohio State University, my
youngest daughter. This last year. The gentleman who found that
very powerful signal, so much so he wrote on his
computer pronoun from nineteen seventy seven wow exclamation point. That's
where it gets the name Wow signal three I Atlas

(01:49:30):
seems to have originated from the same area and Stariu. Yeah, exactly, exactly,
And that is less than a percent chance to have
happened just by chance.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
Yeah, universe is a big place and for that to
be lining up is pretty scary. Over the last twenty
four hours, all right, two different observatories. Now the paper
was just submitted for publication today. It'll probably be published tomorrow.
I have the names of the two astronomers that wrote

(01:50:05):
the paper. Anyway, I read the briefing on it. Three
I atlas just brightened substantially. And this is they have
no reason for this, none three eye atlases. People are

(01:50:26):
imagining that it is orbiting our Sun and that it's
close to the Sun, it's going to heat up like
other No, three eye atlas. Three eye atlases passing the
Sun by a significant amount. The reason why it's behind
the Sun not because it's orbiting the Sun. We are

(01:50:47):
orbiting the Sun. We are on the opposite side. Three
eye atlases coming down this way. Here's the Sun, here's
Earth and so and a better way to put it
is as three eye atlas. Let me change cameras. So
here's the Sun. Three I atlas is going this way,
and Earth is coming around the Sun. So eventually we'll
be on the same side of the Sun because of

(01:51:08):
Earth's orbit, and three eye Atlas is going this way.
Three Iyeatlysis is not orbiting the Sun. It's going straight
through our star system. So but while we're we were
over here we had two satellites that were imaging satellites
that just caught three ie atlasts brightening by a significant amount.

(01:51:29):
Now I looked at some of the data sets. We'll
see more of it in the paper in the paper
when it's published, but it's looking like it kicked up
between thirty and fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
Like why aren't we seeing more images from NASA? I mean,
I know they're talking about the government shutdown and things,
but seems a little suspicious to me that what they
released one picture or something. Why is that? I know,
why are they hiding? And then and I can't remember
the name of the organization, but one of your organization
might have been Setty or somebody. They changed their guidelines

(01:52:04):
for what we would do in the case of alien contact.
They haven't done that for fifteen years. And then there
was another organization, and again I don't have it off
the top of my head, but they kind of had
basically what is like an alert like we're going to
be watching the skies more closely for things like asteroids

(01:52:25):
and so forth, like an asteroid warning system. Between November
of this year and January of next year. Seems coincidental
to me, so I just you know, I'm not willing
to say it's absolutely ET, but bois.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Du Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Yeah, if it walks like a duck and it talks
like a duck, maybe it's TUCK. And I've heard I've
seen things. Now this I haven't necessarily seen from a
reputable source, but I've heard some squabblings on X and
things that maybe it's sending out prime numbers. There's some
thought that they're sending it somehow sending out a signal

(01:53:04):
of prime numbers, which I believe is exactly the way
you would think that if an ET entity was trying
to reach us or something, that might be one of
the ways they would do it. Now, that's that's more heresay.
I don't have anything to back that up. But I've
heard people talk about that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
I I just like you. I've got a lot of
contacts and a lot of people and that I've talked
to about this, both from the science side and from
you know, our family of WU and trying to everybody's asked,
you know, asking the same questions. I don't have any

(01:53:40):
secret information. I would be lying if I said that
I did. But what I do find very interesting is
that my science friends that may or may not be WU.
But you know, scientists are all kind of saying the
same thing. It's it's simply not a comment that they

(01:54:03):
don't know what it is. Are they leaning towards et?
Are they going in this direction? No, not yet, but
they're open to it because comment is not what it is.
And by this is where the dangerous zone is for me, Jim,
maybe for you. Two is that I think that the
government and the propaganda that was put out about three

(01:54:28):
I atlas being a comment was completely premature. That was
based on data sets, you know. But they I don't
think they wanted to freak people out, you know, and
just wanted to go. But here's the problem. We have
two comments that we can see right now in the sky, right,
Swan and Lemon are at the same time in the sky.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
I just thought of something. It didn't occur to me
to just this instant. Isn't it interesting that President Chump
Trump some people would say President Chump, but President Trump
and uh G just got together in South Korea. Now,
of course it's to talk about trade. But you wonder,
did three I atlas come up? Did three I atlas

(01:55:12):
come up? In that meaning between Trump and g.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
I can tell I can tell you this. Every thing
that every country has, every military, every university, every telescope,
every satellite, every every spectrauma, every piece of is pointed

(01:55:37):
at that thing right now. There isn't anybody not looking
at it. I just I literally, we have a lot
of information, right, but it just hit me. It just
hit me.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Now, how often do you see the president of the
United States and the premiere of China get together? Not often?

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Interesting timing, Yeah, twice twice every ten years, maybe interesting timing. Well,
it's so funny when you talk about things like that.
There are people assume that this stuff goes on all
the time. It doesn't. You can look at gap, but
it's like, who is the last president that went to China? Nixon?

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
Nixon? Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
That was fifty years ago. So no, this does not
You're right, it's high and.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Well it wasn't technically in China. They were in South Korea.
But still no, but you know what I'm saying, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yea.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
And our world leaders, yes, are they talking about this? Yes?
Are the intelligence agencies talking You know that they are.
This is a big, big, big deal. But we don't
have any information coming at us. You know it's imaged.
You know that they've you know what if it's sending

(01:56:52):
out a signal and we're not being told about it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
And we have the best telescopes trained on it. We
have telescopes in the sky than we've ever had. And
you get these like the one. The one picture literally
looked like a fly. If you go outside your house
and you have your porch lighte and you take a
picture of a fly with your cell phone, that's what
it looked like. And I'm like, you're telling me they

(01:57:17):
can't do better than that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Yep, yep, I called b Yes, yep, yep, yep, I
called yes. So over the next over the next two weeks,
this is this is what this is not in the
government's control right now. It's it is out of their control.
There are too many I've got a ginormous telescope sitting
in there, and it's a baby telescope, but I can
see a lot with it. There are so many amateur

(01:57:40):
astronomers out there with with gear that can now image
and track this thing now that it will be on
the same side of the sun here very shortly. And
so they are not going to be able to fudge
images or mislead the public is all over this, and uh,
it's going to be very internet. Right now, we have

(01:58:00):
a lack of information because it's on the other side
of the sun and the only people that are imaging
it are satellites. And but in a second, it's going
to be the citizens of this planet looking at that,
and it's going to be very, very very interesting. Now
my point is it just lit up, Jim. What if
it does something crazy? What if it hits the brakes?

(01:58:23):
You don't know me.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
If it reorients, yes, it would apparently be under intelligent control.
And I think that's the test of it, you know,
if it if it reorients, if it pivots in some way,
then that says there's intelligent control. It's not just a comment.
What do they say that? What do they say that?

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
What do you say? I don't care about them? What
do you say? What goes through your mind?

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
You talked about moments that change everything. Talk about the
moment that changes everything. That is the moment that changes
everything because it throws into question our reality, religion, you know,
and maybe that's the reason why the truth has been
kept from us for so long because the powers that
be think we can't handle it. Can we handle it?

(01:59:11):
Remains to be seen. You know, people went pretty crazy
in twenty twenty, and that was a pandemic. As horrible
as it was, that's something that happens in the course
of human history. This would be something that's never happened
in the course of recorded human history. Maybe it happened
in the past if you believe ancient aliens and chariots
of the gods. So it would truly be the ultimate

(01:59:34):
game changer in every aspect of our lives. But like
most things, I think people would learn to live with it.
I think people would learn to live with it, but
it would be a hell of an adjustment.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
Is it the ultimate non trivial question that we have
been asking since the dawn of man? Are we alone?
It is, isn't it. It's got to be up there
one of them?

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
I think there's three of them. I think is there
a God? I say yes? Is there an afterlife? I
say yes? And are we alone? I say no? And
I think those to me, If you answer those three
big questions, a lot of stuff falls into place.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
We can start, Yeah, we can continue on with the
evolution you know what I mean, we can evolve as
a species.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
Sure, sure, no. I think it would make a big
difference if we knew the answer to any of those questions.
And what we do is hopefully try to get people
to think about You do it and I try to
do it, get to people to think. Aside from just
telling spooky stories, which I love and giving people an opportunity,
I love the idea of making people think. And you know,

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a lot of people the covees, these paranormal hosts, they're
just a bunch of goofy guys and stuff. But we
help make people think about big important questions. So maybe
we're not so goofy after.

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
All, you're not, Jim. Thank you so much, man, another
great night on the show, and listen seriously, it's merld
dot com. We have the links below. Everything that you
need is right there. Jim. Another fantastic night. Thank you
so much. My friend and I just saw your email
come in. Yeah, very cool. Thank you so much, Jim.
I have a good have a good, safe and amazing

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Halloween tomorrow night with you and the family.

Speaker 2 (02:01:18):
Okay, thank you so much, Jim, Thank you, sir, stay spooky.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
The very best, Jim Harold everybody, and it's very simple
Jim Harold dot com. The links are below, of course,
the Campfire, the Paranormal Podcast, all of that. He is
absolutely the best of the best. Thank you, Jim. Happy
Halloween everybody. As you all know, you know what I'm
about to say. Today is my Friday. Okay, it's your Thursday,

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