FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: RL Poole

Tonight, author and researcher RL Poole joins us to discuss his challenge to Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Put up or shut up about ET!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, this Hope Radio for the NASSIS headline of July eighth,

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nineteen forty seven.

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Speaker 4 (00:45):
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this work.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
This is Day to Black. It's your host, Jimmy Church
on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
All right, well, well, well, good evening. How you doing
Fade to Black? Today is Monday, November third, twenty twenty five.
Let's do this Mayana. I'm Jimmy Church in case you
didn't know that, but that's why you are here, all
right here, we are right now kicking off a brand
new week on Fade to Black. Tonight. R. L. Pool

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is with us. We're gonna be talking about Pool's razor.
What is that tomorrow night. Grant Cameron is here, the
one and only three I at lists. That is the
discussion tomorrow night. He's also got another book out, uh,
and it's Grant Cameron. What are you gonna do? Right?
You're just gonna have fun and talk about three I Atlas.

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Wednesday night, another big show. Danny Gohler is here and
I have talked about him a lot on this show.
Finally we have him on DMT and he is Go
and check out his videos of him watching the Code

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with lasers. Yeah, that's Danny Gohler. It's absolutely incredible. So
that's Wednesday night, and then Thursday night another huge show. Man.
What a great week. Anita Morjani is with us. We're
going to be talking about her book Dying to Be Me. Yeah. Wow,

(02:36):
what a great week here on Fad to Black. I
just love hanging out with all of you, getting my
knowledge on this week. Four first time guests back to back.
How incredible is that? That's absolutely incredible. Now, I do
want to mention I've got the Conscious Life Expo coming up.
I have the Sedona Ascension Retreat coming up. I have

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the Contact Modalities Expo coming up. All of these are
in twenty twenty six. Following that with Contact in the Desert,
then after that, I had to Peruve for the INCA
Celebration of the Sun and I come back from that
and I'm heading over to the UK for the Monty
Python Tour of Scotland. I've got that coming up, all

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of this in twenty twenty six, as well as Easter Island,
and all of the links for everything that I'm doing
are below. All right, all right, I was gonna say
something today. Oh man, it involved my Harley. It was weird.
I was just thinking about a five minutes. I was

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like that, I've got to tell and now it's it's gone. Whatever.
It was good too, I'm telling you it was man,
it was a man. I can't remember what it was.
It's gone, It's gone forever. All right, let's get to it.

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One of the things that I've talked about a lot
over the years, and this goes back a long ways,
but I've had a lot of physicists on the show,
a lot of people that I respect, and a lot
of scientists. And the reason why I love doing that
is because what I do in my personal life, I

(04:23):
am a student of the WU conspiracies and of course
UFOs and life after death and consciousness and all of
these things. But I love science, and so I use
science to support my crazy I need that so I

(04:44):
don't jump in the deep end of the pool. How
many times do I have to talk about tonight, Auro
Pools on the show. Yeah, just jump into that deep end.
But one of the challenges that I have put up
over the years, I've dropped a few names here and
there about people that are well respected out there. They're

(05:05):
rock stars that had PhDs and that could not stand
up to me. They couldn't, they couldn't. They their arguments
don't hold water, all right. And one of them who's

(05:25):
been a frequent target of mine, Neilda grass Tyson. Okay,
And and I've mentioned him so many times, and there's
reasons for that. And this goes back if you followed
this show, This goes back over ten years, okay, And
it's been a repeated thing. And I've almost had him

(05:51):
on the show a few times, still working on it.
He I'll say this before we get into tonight discussion.
He likes to he likes to answer questions that don't
challenge him, right, and so he can always stay right

(06:14):
where he needs to stay. I'm not that kind of person.
And although I don't have a PhD, there is a
lot of science that supports things today that you cannot
comfortably be a critic of the subject of UFOs and
et and contact and life in the universe and what

(06:34):
is visiting us there isn't that strength anymore because back
then we didn't have the data set that we have today,
and certainly the data set that we've been running since
nineteen ninety five. And that is my position, is also
rl Pool's position, and he's got a bold challenge out

(06:56):
there right now to Neil deGrasse Tyson and the scientific
establishment's dismissal of UFOs. And we're going to be discussing
all of that tonight, and certainly his book, which is out.
We've got the links for that below today. It's a
different kind of party. It just is I've depended on
my own eyes and my own experiences, and then I

(07:18):
go back to the science. All right. It's time now
for the science to start looking at what we are doing,
all right. He is a life member of the American
Mensa with an untestable IQ. I don't know what that
means he is, because I'm not that smart. He's a
proven abduction experiencer of the last four decades, an author

(07:38):
of Beneath the Haunted Sky, The Evidence for Alien Abduction.
He's made a name for himself by challenging the common
narrative and winning. We're going to do all of that tonight,
and hopefully, if I'm lucky, I won't agree with him
and we can have a fun discussion. Let's do all
of that. Aropool is right there, untestable, untestable. I Q.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Oh yeah, well that's intimidating.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
That's intimidating. Before we before we get started, r L,
you get the first time guest disclaimer. All right, so
let's get that out of the way. Next time you're
on the show, you won't have it, but you get
it now. And the disclaimer is this, r L. It's
just you and I sitting on my couch having a
conversation as friends. And where that conversation starts and starts
where it ends, it ends. But we're gonna end as friends. Now.

(08:28):
You have to accept so we can.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Move on without even saying so.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
See, yeah, that's because you're a member of MENSA. You know,
you know that's yeh. So you you just heard my
my opening little diatribe. And for this audience, for this audience,
they have heard me talk about this subject over and
over again, and they know my position on this, and

(08:57):
then to have you on the show, well, well we
can't just sit here and agree with each other because
that's boring. So at some point, many points, I'll play
devil's advocate in all of this and and and lift
it out of you instead of just being a fanboy. Okay, deal,
I think that sounds like a lot of fun. Actually, okay,

(09:19):
good good. I had I had before we get started,
I had I had a I can't remember exactly what
kind of attorney he was, criminal, civil, whatever, but uh
so he wanted to come on and do this court

(09:41):
challenge of him being the defense attorney for the UFO community.
And I was going to be on the stand, and
and then we switched roles. I put him on the
stand and I became the prosecutor. Right, I gotta say
I chose the wrong career.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I could have been a good litigator.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes, right, there's a lot of good arguers out there now.
The thing is is that I did that eleven times
before I even started writing the first page of that book.
I've played both sides of that court. And but it's
easy when you already know you're right. See it's easy.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, okay, here here that that sort of answers my
first question. But uh, let's let's laser focus. This why
why Neil de grass Why Neil de grass heysen, Because
there's plenty out there, you know, to to go after.

(10:43):
He's certainly very visible and and a fun target. I
would say he's a pretty fun and he's and he's
so polarizing, right he. I know, he's got his fan base,
he does, and it's big. And everything that he says,
they take his gospel and any dogma, they take his truth.

(11:05):
And that's fine. But I don't know if he fully
is fully cognizant of those that just think he's totally
full of shit. You know, I don't know if he
cares either, but he is. He's certainly a fun target, isn't.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
He He can be. I mean, he certainly presents himself
as an easy target. But that isn't why I chose him.
I chose Neil de grass Tyson specifically because he is
the most popular, He is the most influential, and he
is the most regrettably outspoken scientist on this topic. And

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he does so not just with skepticism, but with derision,
with mockery, with scorn, with disrespect. And this is what
tip the scale in his favor when I decided to
go after a single face of this opposition.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Now I'm going to rephrase that. Can I paraphrase that?
Can I rephrase?

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Okay, sure, it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
What you are saying is that he honestly doesn't This
isn't a belief. He knows in his own mind that
he is the smartest person in the room at any
given moment.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh, of course, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
And no, yes, I say he's an astro narcissist. He
is the job description that I've Wow, that's good, Houston.
The ego has landed when it comes to Neil degrass Tyson.
But it's not just about personalities. It's about what that
personality causes us to do. Right when we're never wrong,

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when we're always the smartest person in the room, well,
no one can tell us anything now. We we lack humility,
we lack the ability to believe others. And what he does.
I don't look at his skepticism. I think that's a
wrong term, because skepticism is an educated disbelief. This is

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someone who's looked into the subject, is it well educated?
It says this doesn't add up for me. And I
can tell you why someone who doesn't look who's looked
at one per.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
You froze up. You froze up.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
R l.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Okay, if you can hear me, and I'm hoping that
you can exit and come back, Exit and come back.
Let's get this reset. Everybody, exit and come back.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
R l.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Okay. I'm looking at some of the comments. Yeah, yeah,
that is a pretty good description. That's from Night's Glory.
Tonight our guest is R. L. Pool and he's got
a new book out and it is a direct challenge

(14:20):
to Neil deGrasse Tyson about the science side of supporting
what is going on right now with ET and ET contact.
And in the meantime, I will uh, okay, Yeah, So

(14:42):
just waiting for RL to come back because here's here
is here's a basic there's no reason to bring this
up in the interview, because this is my take. Here's
the basic approach to any of this. You cannot say

(15:04):
that we have not been visited by e T. You
cannot say that that that is, you don't have any
facts to back that up. There are no facts when
we look at the eyewitness accounts, including my own eyeballs,

(15:25):
the things that I've seen and done and experienced that
is real. Nobody will ever take that away from me
and the other experiencers out there that and I have
had hundreds of people with me right and to witness
these things. It's it's absolutely incredible when it goes down.
And right now, yeah, of course we have Congress and

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the hearings and the media and the other side of
what is now supporting what we have been talking about
for years. And now we have Atlas, and this is
pushing the conversation out there. Now we have the conversation
happening that that is where we are today. You cannot

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dismiss what has been witnessed in the skies for you know,
thousands of years. You just can't do that. So there
is no proof that we aren't visiting. Now what do
we have proof of that? Every star has a planet,
Every star in the known universe, every star that's that's

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that's insane. And the numbers are are so big. With
that that supports what is going on here on Earth.
It just makes sense. And I say it over and
over again. I'm just waiting for RL to come back.
But setting the stage for this that there must be

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not quite infinite the amount of life life out there
in the universe, but it's a lot, and it is
a huge number. So with that, how much of that
is aware of Earth? Well you've got to flip the coin.
And this is where I would go back at Neil

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de Grass or anybody else that wants to say, no,
it's very, very simple. We are looking for exoplanets. We
have found ten thousand exoplanets where thirty years ago we
were at zero, we were at one, and now this

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is what we know, this is what science is supporting now.
So it's a numbers game where the old school version
of the intellectuals out there who base their stuff on data,
it's that simple. They base their stuff on data, and

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if the data isn't there, then they are going to
come to a conclusion some type of theory, some type
of idea, all right. And what came out of that
the Fermi paradox, the Drake equation and other stuff. So
with that it was easy for them to say, ah,
we don't have any proof that there's other planets outside

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of our star system. Well that changed, right. We have
things like asteroid venue and amino acids and proteins and
stuff floating around on asteroids, and that's just insane. Which
supports some of the old theories of panspermia and ways
of seating planets. Well, it turns out that that is

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now supported by science. So the amount of life if
we have asteroids just floating around in the vacuum of
space with all of the ingredients for RNA and DNA
on it, how much life is truly out there? Well,
the answer is simple, a lot, a lot. So in
our primitive, trailer part planet that we live on, this

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primitive thing, where we can now look out and detect
exoplanets and look inside of their atmospheres. That's a crazy
part of our evolution as human beings that we are
able to do that now in this small window of
the last one hundred years of science, right that we

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have developed these technologies and satellites and the James Web
and Mars and Saturn and Jupiter and Voyager and Pioneer
ten and Pioneer eleven. These are incredible things in history.
So if that's where we are at right now, where

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are we going to be in one hundred years, in
fifty years and one hundred years in two hundred years. Now,
take another civilization like ours that got the start on
us by whatever a thousand years, a million years and
what are they doing? Well, they're doing. We don't have

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another way to look at it except for we have
an example of one us. So if that's what we
are doing, they're doing the exact same thing. And if
they've had a leap on us, right they've detected us
and they have come out here and checked us out.

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I'm not talking about one civilization. I'm talking about thousands, thousands, thousands.
It's an astronomical number. And they don't have to looking
at those planets, just like us looking at other planets.
If they look at us two thousand years ago, you know,

(20:51):
if they're two thousand light years away or five thousand
years ago or a million years ago, what kind of
life did they see here? Would they come here to?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Well?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Okay, maybe possibly, but it is a beautiful blue planet
with all the ingredients for life on it. We've got
trees and something that they can detect that they can
you know, all of the other animal life that is
on this planet, so they can see that it is
one of those. So it would glow in the dark,

(21:22):
and that's what we are looking for right now. We're
looking for that glow in the dark planet that that
thing that is just like Earth, that we can detect
a biosphere and that we can see that there is
life on that planet. Well, we are one of those planets.
And so yes, I am absolutely confident when I say

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a lot has found Earth, a lot, a lot, and
there isn't another way to look at it. And so
when we take a look at the science community, I
think that there are those out there now who astro physicists,
theoretical physicists, cosmologists, astronomers that are when your life is

(22:08):
completely based on numbers and you're looking at the size
of the universe and how many galaxies, how many stars
in each galaxy, the formation of stars and then the
formation of planets, and how all of this happens in
such a structured way where we now know that the
question of just being alone is answered right there are

(22:33):
you know, the only planet, the only star system with
planets in it where we've got eight nine planets. Here
we're looking at exoplanets right now, one at a time.
We found a few star systems like Trappis that have
more than one planet. Okay, now we have eight. If
we just base what we have right now on our

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own milky Way where there is between five hundred billion
and a trillion stars. Well, then that is at least
a trillion planets a trillion right here in our tiny
little milky way, let alone and Drameda and everything else
that is around us. Right, you need to really stop

(23:19):
and think about that. And that's where science is starting
to back up, going ah, well, you know there's a
lot of life out there. There has to be. So
I did a thing about ten years ago. I guess
RL has got some serious computer problems, maybe lost his
power or something, because he has not come back in

(23:41):
is this? I mean, how crazy of a thought is
this when we back up and we think about numbers
and the possibility of an identic Earth being out there. Okay,

(24:04):
trip on this. If you have a deck of cards
and you're playing poker with your friends, and you shuffle
the deck and you've got four friends in front of you,
there's five of you playing cards, and you deal out
five hands, You look at your cards, you play the handout,
you take the deck, and you reshuffle. How long until

(24:25):
you deal out an identical hand again? Well, theoretically speaking,
it can happen on the next hand. Okay, it may
not happen on the next hand. It may not happen
in the next week, but eventually you will shuffle those
cards enough to the point where you will deal out

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identical hands. Particles only combine so many ways, that's it.
It's not infinite. So how many iterations do you go

(25:09):
through with a planet until you deal out another identical
hand the same as Earth? I mean, my cousin Benny, identical, identical?
How many Well, it's not a question of that being impossible.

(25:34):
It's just a question of where is that planet, because
it's out there, that out there, right now, there is
another Earth. This is not the multiverse. Not talking about that.
I'm not talking about the multiverse, not talking about anything
like that. I am saying that, right now, out there

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there's a planet the same as ours, just because everything
combined the same way, just like dealing that hand on
a deck of cards. That's a crazy thought, isn't it.
That It could be idea where you would step off
the ship and huh wow, what it's the same as Earth,

(26:24):
you know. I mean languages that think historically it's just identical.
That Again, that is not the multiverse. That is the
amount of life out there. I say it so much
I'll say it again, when you deal with uh, when

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you deal with physics and probabilities, and one of the
basic thoughts is in the world of probabilities, anything that
can happen eventually.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Will.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Anything anything. So if you just look at it that way,
what I just said to you is it's just fundamental.
It's basic that out there right now, there's another planet,
another Earth, identical to this one, identical. When we jump

(27:27):
into the other parts of physics that I find so
compelling and so interesting, where we're dealing with multiple dimensions
and frequencies and the idea of the multiverse. And now

(27:48):
let me explain something really quick. This is part of
a future podcast I'm putting together, but i'll share it
with you now. The ideas of the multiverse that some
people look at, a lot of people look at they
get a little bit confused about what the multiverse is. Now,

(28:15):
are there other universes out there?

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Like?

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Of course, and I've seen ideas behind it, you know, bubble,
you know, just just you know, we're not the only one.
But no, when I'm talking about the multiverse, talking about
another because another version of us that is happening right now,
it's just not visible to us. Everything is in the

(28:40):
same position. We're sitting in the same spot. It's not
next to us, or how do we get to the
multiverse to see it. No, no, it's existing right here,
right now, just at a slightly different frequency. And that's it.
And then the two of them bleed together once in
a while where the infusion starts for so many is

(29:05):
wait a minute, that's a lot of matter, that's a
lot of stuff. That's a lot of so there's another
version of us infinitely that's existing, and that's what we're like.
You can travel to that universe and say no, no, no, no, no,

(29:26):
no no. What the multiverse represents is right now in
this exact same spot, just had a different frequency. That's all, okay,
And to an infinite amount, and inside of that, all
the probabilities happen. Anything that could possibly happen here will

(29:46):
eventually happen in one of these multiverses that are right here,
right here, just in a different frequency. And now when
we pull that into play, when we're talking about E.
T and contact, what we are witnessing sometimes it may

(30:11):
be a visitation interdimensionally from that multiverse out That is
a crazy thought, isn't it. When when you see something
and there's so many TV shows that that illustrate this
brilliantly and do this where you know, like Superman two

(30:33):
as well, where you're going to an alternate version of
this existence and and uh, you know, whether it's like
The Man in the High Castle or Fringe or uh,
you know, all of these shows that that that represent
that going into well and you know, somebody looks up

(30:54):
and they see a strange airship in the sky or
they see the cities a bit there, feels the same,
kind of looks the same, but it's obviously another version
of this world. All right, and we see that a lot. Well,
I go back to a classic example for me, and

(31:16):
that is the beer can UFO. All right, we all
saw that and it was huge. We all saw it,
and then it phased out. Okay, the experience itself was real.
We all saw it. And for me to see what

(31:40):
I saw through those binoculars, it was insane. It was
absolutely incredible. Okay, RL is back, and so just let
me finish this up before I bring RL in. And
then it phased out. Is that an example of an
actual object in the sky that that phased out and

(32:02):
cloaked or did whatever it did. Is it just purely
a physical thing in the moment, or is it the
universe is overlapping for a second and it just popped
in from there. It doesn't change the experience. And that's
the part where we need to depend on science more
to look at this, because there is certainly something going

(32:25):
on that is completely unexplained. But we now have the
ability as humans as earthlings to understand and digest more
of this as we move along. All right, RL, how
you doing.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm fine? What did that? Miss? My gosh, you were
you were so deep into something.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I wrote a book. I wrote a book while you
were gone. We're going to publish it.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yes, you had time. Sorry about that. Right in the
middle of what I was saying, my internet just completely
cut off, no reason whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
It's fine. Well, I don't get a chance to talk often,
so the audience just got thirty minutes of me just
letting loose. I mean, because of you know, my frustration
I have. I have said. We were talking about Neil
der Grasteysen and why why he's the perfect person to
to to, you know, pose a challenge like this too,

(33:19):
And you're right, it's because of his status. It's because
of his ego, and he no matter what somebody says
to him, no matter what it is, it doesn't matter.
He'll challenge anything. He'll flip bit back. No, actually you're wrong,
and let me tell you what.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
He's never wrong. He's like Jordan Peterson of science. Somehow.
It's you know, he wants to keep going deeper and deeper.
I saw him on Joe Rogan number one, three four seven.
I'll never forget it. Joe Rogan was asking him about
why does gravity work the way it does. It's a
it's an interesting question and one that we are good

(33:55):
to explore. He said, Well, you know, we don't get
caught up in that in science. If we can, if
we can describe its behavior and we can predict its actions,
we say that we understand it, and then we move on. Wait,
what what that's that's your threshold? I could do that
with a cuckoo clock. I could. I could describe a

(34:17):
cuckoo clock, and I can predict that once an hour,
a little birdie is going to come out and tweet
at you. That makes me no closer to a clockmaker
in any way. We do not understand it, and then
it's like saying that now that I can tell you
all about a cuckoo clock, I understand time. No you don't.

(34:41):
There are layers and layers, and he is an extremely
uncurious person about topics in which he has very strong opinions.
And so when you are ninety nine percent sure about
something and you've only looked at one percent of the information,
well that mass tracks I think. And he is very

(35:04):
representative of a large populace of science enthusiasts, and he
is responsible for what he communicates to the public, and
what he is communicating, at least on the topic of
UFOs is completely wildly in some cases not only incorrect,
but but damn it wrong. Do you think reckless?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Do you think that, well, he's going to come out
on the wrong side of the fence here eventually, right,
But do you think that he cares? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I think it's about ego. I don't think it's about legacy.
I think it's about ego because if UFOs are true,
think about it for just a moment, Jimmy. If UFOs
are real, and they are and they're here doing impossible
things that defy our physics, well then our physics is wrong.
Which means he's wrong, which means everything that he's learned,

(36:04):
really most of his entire life, is wrong. And I
think that is a surprise to him to find that out.
And I think he wants to resist anything that exposes
the fact that human beings were not quite as smart
as we think we are. We're not quite as capable,
we're not as tuned in to the fundamental forces of

(36:25):
the universes we would like to be, and we simply
have to accept some of our own limitations, I think,
in that way, and be humbled when we see something
that so clearly defies what we call laws. Physics is
the only place I know where when there's something that
defies the laws of physics, they don't change the laws.

(36:51):
They debate the existence of the thing that broke them.
I mean, it's such a weird transfer.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Well, it is, it is, it is. And here is
the ex tension of that problem is that the positions
that are taken today are based on current knowledge of
the laws of physics. Current okay, Any any advanced civilization

(37:18):
is onto another level of an understanding of all of
that stuff that they don't want to consider, contemplate, or
ponder because it is outside of where they are driving,
and they don't. Except but here's the problem with that.
The discussions that we are having today about the multiverse

(37:41):
or interdimensional stuff, or quantum science and quantum mechanics and
quantum physics, that's all insanity. Where these things were voodoo
black magic two hundred years ago. But today we just
blurt these these things up because our level of understanding
increases every day, and we have uh an understanding. But

(38:04):
you can't look at an advanced civilization as having the
same understanding that we do today. They are they have
moved on. And that's that's the part that you know,
we don't defies all the laws of physics on how
they would get How do you know how they're getting?
How tell me how you know?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Right?

Speaker 2 (38:23):
How they here?

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah? So so here's what well, because the only way
that a scientist, a physicist can imagine is linear travel,
just stupid linear through the universe travel. Oh, we're going
to try to get up to light speed. Okay, good
for you. You're still too slow. You're still too slow, because

(38:45):
that isn't how they do it, obviously. But when we
have mitchi Okaku, who was on News Nation, uh he's
another one likable guy like I like the way he talks,
you know. But he says, we have these frame by
frame where they are exceeding any speed that our craft

(39:07):
can do. That they are doing trans medium motion. They
can dive into the water without a splash, come back out,
go straight up into space. We have nothing that can
do that. It doesn't have control surfaces, it doesn't appear
to have any type of propulsion that we can identify.
The right angle, high speed turns that it takes produce

(39:30):
g forces that no human pilot could withstand. That these
are materials that we have not even the closest imagination
to know how to construct or build. And then he says,
but we need evidence, like what you just said, all
of these things that are evidence, okay, and then says,

(39:53):
but we need evidence which, by the way, they have
not ever taken the time to define. You see, we
have these kind of scientific blowhards like Neil de grast
Tyson who are out in the public sector saying things
to you, to manipulate you with words. And he says,
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That is Sagan's razor. That's

(40:22):
what that is called. And it is a lie. It
is a lie. That is not how science works. There
are no such things as extraordinary claims. There are just claims.
There is no extraordinary evidence, just evidence. We do not
in science have the luxury of raising the threshold for

(40:45):
evidence in proportion to our stubbornness to believe the results
of what the evidence says. And for someone who is
out here telling us that he needs extraordinary evidence, he
has yet to tell us what even baseline evidence is.
Because once they do, you see, they have painted themselves
into a corner. For whatever evidence that you can tell

(41:09):
me about that is gettable by any human metric, well
we already have it. What do you want? You want
ground effects? You want abduction reports, you want physical injuries?
You want pilot reports? Do you want radar? Do you
want sonar? Would you like some flear? How many ways
can I present this same evidence to you of the

(41:32):
thing you keep saying doesn't exist? Right, So I imagine that
it's very much like vampires. Okay, it'd be silly for
a moment vampires. Imagine for a moment, Jimmy, that I
told you that vampires exist. Okay, and I'm being one

(41:53):
hundred percent sincere. I'm dead serious, I really believe it.
Vampires exist, And you say up, okay, Twilight, I'm gonna
back away slowly and smile and die nine dial nine
one one in my pocket because I don't believe in vampires.
There's no evidence for vampires. Okay, that's fair. But what

(42:17):
if that changed? What if next week on your Facebook
feed you're seeing people who are all these people seem
to be posting pictures of what they're calling vampire sightings
and oh, oh wow, that looks like a vampire. Like
I've never seen one, but that's what I think one
looks like right there, and all of these people, oh wow,

(42:40):
Now there's videos of these vampire sightings. People are now
reporting being abducted and fed on by vampires and returned.
And then our military Jimmy starts coming out with reports,
starts coming out with footage that well, we're encountering and
engaging vampires over the United States airspace, and we have

(43:04):
them on sonar, we have them on flear, we have
them on every way radar, sonar, every way that we
have to track something, we have it, even visual confirmation
by a top gun. Excuse me, Flight Commander and Commander
David Fraber from the USS nimits. But we're all wrong,

(43:26):
you see, we're all wrong. It's Neil deGrasse Tyson who's right,
you see. And now imagine like all of those things
were true about vampires, Like how long would it take
you before you started wearing a garlic necklace around the
house and sleeping with a wooden steak? Like you wouldn't
need to bring me a vampire for me to understand.

(43:46):
I'm pretty sure vampires exist based on all of this information.
You see, if it were any other subject, it would
be treated, even something as ridiculous as like vampires, it
would be treated more seriously than this. And the reason
it's not is because of people like Neil deGrasse Tyson
who say, I won't believe in vampires until you bring

(44:07):
me a vampire.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
That wouldn't That wouldn't be enough. That wouldn't be enough
for Neil. No, No, it's simply it wouldn't. It wouldn't
there if if you and I werover at Neil's house
talking about this, right, and then all of a sudden,
backyard teleported down beamed up right next to his pool,

(44:30):
and we go out there and and hang out and
have a long conversation with us in et. Neil is
not announcing contact the next day. He is not. No, no, no,
he will in his mind explain it away rationally. They

(44:55):
drugged my you know, RL put d MT in my
you whatever, whatever, you know what I mean. And and
you know I hallucinated.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
And I'm not saying I didn't. I'm just saying that's
had nothing to do with the aliens, Okay, right right,
I was just I want him to loosen up a bit.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yeah, it just I don't I don't know. I had
a sighting. I have always been in a position in
the media to have influence. Okay, I've been you know,
I've been blessed. I'm lucky, I'm humbled. And when I
one night, I was with a large group of people

(45:33):
and we saw we had an incredible sighting. It was
the green chrome ball and uh uh something used to
plural green chrome balls. But that's another story. And uh
And I got in my car and I had this
thought and I spoke it out loud. If Anderson Cooper

(45:59):
was with us to night to see that, does he
go on c and En tomorrow? No he doesn't, he doesn't. So,
but I I'm not like that. So I chose to
go public with it. All right, that that's my position.
But I'm if Neil had that experience, he's not going public.

(46:23):
I I just I just well, I don't think that would.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Be the way I'm going public. I don't I don't want,
you know, no offense to anybody. But I don't want
to do all this. I don't like attention. That's not
why I do this. I do it because I feel
like people have to have their guard up, they have
to be informed, they have to be told the real truth.
And the way that I'm able to take him on
so successfully that okay, yeah, I'm in mensa and stuff,

(46:48):
but he's an astrophysicist. I should not be able to
out argue an astrophysicist on this subject. Except for one
tiny detail is that I've been repeatedly abducted by a
species that we know is the small grays, and that's
happened to me over the course of forty years. So
when he dismisses alien abductions, well, I automatically know he's incorrect.

(47:14):
So the way that I wrote this book and the
way that I formulated my arguments is I decided to
kind of back engineer and say where did they go wrong?
Because it's true, I've experienced it several times in my
own lifetime. I've had to deal with that trauma, that
complex PTSD, that ontological shock, the very jarring experiences it

(47:41):
can sometimes be. And to hear someone openly using science
as a cudgel to mock people like myself, Who do
you think I don't know that I sound crazy? Yeah,
if you credit me with being intelligent, then you know
I'm aware of how this sounds when I say little

(48:02):
gray people have abducted me for forty years. Yes, And
that's how important it is. That's how important it is
that people like myself, who know we're going to be
mocked right off the bat, will still come and tell
you anyway, when we hear the horror stories about the

(48:22):
men in black or the government, or people having their
reputations destroyed, what have you, we still come forward anyway.
It's that important, It's that true that I'm willing to
risk what I have and who I am in order
to tell other people so they don't have to feel alone,

(48:46):
that they can trust their own reality that they're not
going crazy, and also might be able to prevent it.
In my book Beneath the Haunted Sky, The Evidence for
Alien Abduction, I talk about how I've been able to
successfully stay abduction free for the last two years by
changing some behaviors, by changing my schedule a bit and

(49:12):
noticing how they operate, and then putting things in contravention
that discourage it. You don't have to have amazing technology.
You just have to think in terms of, well, how
do they like things? Do it the opposite, right, It's
not a hard concept. So if they have habits, if
they have methods, well, then those things can be exploited

(49:34):
a bit to turn things to their disadvantage. Not to
make it impossible, but just it's risky, and they are
risk averse. It's one of the things I know about them.
But when people like myself put it all on the line,
how can someone of any empathy not say, let me

(49:55):
at least hear this person out. They seem to be
very sincere.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Well at some point and I went through this, you
you just can't give a shit about yourself anymore. You
have to think about everybody else, And and that's that's
a tough It's so many don't want to give that up, right,
They want to keep the facade. They you know, and

(50:20):
and and wear the mask. I took the mask off
a long time ago. And the science community and specifically
theoretical and astrophysicists, cosmologists, astronomers. Uh. Those they're Intelligentia, they're
very smart. They've they've been on an education path and

(50:40):
they're in the zone and you know, that's just where
they are. But for some reason they are reticent to
to expand thought. I had Lawrence Krauss on the show too.
I had Lawrence Kraus on the show to Yeah, I
had them on the show too weeks ago and I

(51:02):
sent him my book and uh, yeah, so anyway, Lawrence
is on it and he said, uh, he goes the
same thing that you had said earlier. But it's the
common thing. Well, you know, you approach the speed of
light and infinite mass and time stops and you know, no, no, no, no,

(51:22):
I'm like, dude, what makes you think that that is
how it's done. Take your imagine, why would you think,
why would you think? Take your imagination, pop it out
and let it go. And you're still not close to
what they're doing. You're not.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
So they explained to me. If you want to know,
they gave me like a very shorthand explanation. Sure, I
don't know if it will make much sense. And even
if people don't believe me, this is what they said. Okay,
so one of my you asked questions, you know, and
you know, like what you said earlier was so cool.
You said when I had that sighting that I kind

(52:03):
of just put my thoughts out there. You know, your
intentions and your thoughts out That's a very important thing.
And I've done this throughout the years of my abductions,
and sometimes they answer you. Most of the time they don't.
Sometimes they answer you and the answers don't make sense.
But this is what they told me about how they travel,

(52:27):
he said. Notice the bubbles in a glass of soda.
He said, Now, notice that the bubble will travel from
the bottom of the soda to the top, and that
everything inside the bubble is immune to the effects of
the soda around it. And he said, that's what they do.

(52:51):
They basically create a singularity around their ship, which pops
them out of our dimension to a to its own dimension,
and inside that dimension, the laws of space, time and
our dimension do not apply. He said. It takes them
about forty five minutes to get wherever they're going. That's it.

(53:15):
And the reason is because they're popping out of our
dimension and then back in at another point. They kind
of just go around the whole linear travel thing. They
wouldn't I think if you kind of like offered that explanation,
if you guys drive here, like, no, we wouldn't be
able to do that. But what he told me is
that's what they do is they create a bubble, and

(53:37):
inside this bubble they don't even have seat belts because
there's no inertia, there's no anything inside there. It's a
completely empty space and it's its own tiny little dimension
that doesn't have to obey the laws of ours.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, what about what about bathrooms kitchens?

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I didn't see any, of course, now I have. I've
only gotten one tour of a ship during my abductions,
only one time, and uh, it was it's a bit uncomfortable.
So I hope your audience is okay with this. But
they take you and they take your genetic material. I

(54:22):
guess if that's the politest euphemism that I could use.
And it was after one of these instances in which
I was awake that one of these beings came and
got me. A male He is dressed in like a
black uniform, like a turtle deck kind of thing. He
had two gold dots on the collar. Any motioned for

(54:45):
me to come with him. I did. And they speak
to you inside your head, and it makes you think
you're crazy because they speak to you in your You
hear yourself talking in your voice inside your head, but
they're not your thoughts. You're not generating it. So at

(55:07):
first it's a very strange experience. But the first thing
he said to me was what do you do when
when evolution stops being your friend? He said that to
you that that's the first words I ever heard at another.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
What do you do when evolution stops being your friend?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
That's what he said.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
You consult Neil Degrass heyst and that's what you do. Okay,
So okay, So what happens next? This is interesting.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
So he's giving me a little tour of the ship,
and he takes me to this bench, and on this
bench is a canister, and the canister has these little
pipes that go out and connect to the wall of
the bench on the back, and it looks like it
has some measuring markings that are lit up, and inside
the canister is a little gray embryo. It's a little

(56:05):
little guy or a little gallon there gray. And he
is explaining to me that this is how they have
to incubate and state they're young because they are evolving
out of existence. And he said that their brains are
on kind of a runaway train of evolution, and as

(56:27):
their brains become more powerful, their bodies are becoming smaller
and more frail in this weird counterbalance, and that the
males are born either sterile or sometimes without genitalia whatsoever.
That the females are born so small that they cannot

(56:47):
carry their young to term or survive giving life birth
to them. So what they are doing is they are
hybridizing their genetic line with human genes which they have
influenced through time to create a hybrid species and therefore

(57:09):
kind of turned back the clock on evolution and have
the benefit of our big, strong, tough bodies. Were like,
I'm like a silver back gorilla compared to them, you know,
as far as like size and strength and so that
with they're also highly capable intellectual and they're evolved psychic abilities.

(57:33):
You see, people think that when because Grace can talk
to you inside your head that you're psychic. It doesn't
work that way. They explain that too, They said, the
conversation only happens inside your head. You don't transmit anything
to them. They come into the room and listen and
talk to you, and then they leave. You don't get

(57:53):
to You don't have the evolved part of the brain
that can send, transmit, or pierce another person's mind. We
are only receivers. We are not transmitters in that way.
So it was a very it was a very very
awakening visit that I will never forget what.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
We're going to head to a break here in about
ninety seconds. Do you recall what the inside? Everybody asked
this question, but I understand why we're fascinated with it.
What did you see? What did it look like?

Speaker 3 (58:31):
So it was kind of divided. I was in a
room that was a white room. It had like a
table bed kind of table, and it had a row
of oval windows and I could see out and I
saw space. I didn't see planets, I didn't see sky.
I saw space. When he came and got me, the

(58:54):
doors opened, I walked out and it was kind of split.
There was a very low, large area to my right
that had like a very simple low guardrail, and behind
it were other humans like me and their pajamas, males females,
and they were all kind of wandering around, kind of lost, dazed.

(59:18):
They have some way of like keeping you nerved in
a way where you're like awake, but you kind of
don't know what's going on. You're kind of out of it.
I've experienced this myself. And so it was like a
gray floor, gray walls. There was a man who was
standing like very very close to one of the walls

(59:39):
and he was talking to it like it was a person,
like he was like hallucinating or something. I saw a
woman and like a nightgown that had teddy bears on it,
and she was barefoot, and she was just walking around,
just awestruck, just like she was trying to figure out

(01:00:00):
where she was. And it was like a very like
dark slate, gray flat. The other side was beige. It
was well lit, and it seemed to be that's where
the other grays were working. They all had black uniforms
like the person I was being escorted by, and they
were all standing and they seemed to be all looking

(01:00:23):
at different monitors complete silence. There was complete silence on
the ship. There was no noise that I could determine.
And when he spoke to me, I did not speak
out loud because it was so quiet. It makes you
feel weird about breaking the silence. I didn't want my

(01:00:43):
voice to It felt sacred. That's silence, and I didn't
want to break it. So I would just answer back
inside of my head and I saw, oh, you hear me, yeah,
and he said, yeah, I'm in there. That's how we
do this. This is I'm in your head, so I
can hear you while I'm in there, but when I'm not,

(01:01:03):
you can't get to me. And that's how we explained it.

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host human church. Tonight. RL pool is with us. We're
discussing his challenge to Neil de grass Heysen. His book
is out and the links are below. You can head
straight over to Amazon. RL. What is Pools razor.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Well? Pools Raiser is a way of applying logic that
cuts through the illogic that we're often told, and it
involves ways of thinking that are crystallized logic. And this
paralyzes astrophysics who are in denial about and still holding
on to these outdated beliefs about UFOs and extraterrestrials. And

(01:07:47):
one of these little rules is that that which does
not exist cannot create evidence for itself. Yeah, it seems
to be kind of self evident. Well, I know, crazy talk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Right, right, well, you know, it's it's such a basic,
fundamental thing, but it's also non trivial. You go to
the ocean, you scoop up a handful of water, and
there's no sharks in your hand. So therefore sharks do
not exist.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Right, right, right, right, Yes, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
You can't look at it that way.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Right, And so this is my one of my other
problems with Neil deGrasse Tyson is he talks about wanting
extraordinary evidence. How about giving me just what regular, plain, old,
everyday common evidence would be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
We need to have a threshold of evidence. We need
to have a type of evidence. We need to have
a method for collecting that evidence, you see, because we
cannot test this in science the way that you test
a ham sandwich. It doesn't work that way, you see,

(01:08:58):
because two hundred, two hundred and fifty years ago, Neil
de Grasse Tyson would have been a lightning denier right
by the same threshold of evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Yeah, yeah, well we execute people on eyewitness testimony. But yet,
but yet an eyewitness to a UFO is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Well, you see, he he likes to play this game
as well, this bit of well, you know, in a
court of law, eyewitness testimony is very high value evidence,
and in science it is the lowest and he loves
to make that derisive. It is the lowest form of evidence.

(01:09:43):
Ha ha ha. But it is evidence though, right you
just said so yourself. It may be the lowest form
of evidence possible, but we have we make up for
the quality of evidence by having a large, voluminous, mountainous
amount of it that he has not bothered to even

(01:10:05):
go through. And the value of this type of evidence
is that we can put it together and create a composite.
But you're touching on something I think a little deeper
than that, if I may, is that what I'm reporting,
what other people are reporting with their abductions and their assaults,

(01:10:26):
is we're reporting a crime. Just if anyone cares, this
is a crime, and as a crime, it should be believed.
Just like if someone you know gets assaulted. Do you
think you go into the police station and they say, okay, well,
we need you to do your own assault kit, and

(01:10:47):
we need an ear lobe from the perpetrator, and if
you have a photograph of them actually assaulting you, that
would be super helpful. On what planet would that be acceptable?
I'm reporting other people have reported that we are being
taken out of our beds, out of our homes. We
are being exposed to beings that we did not invite

(01:11:10):
into our homes, that we had no desire to meet,
that are usurping our self agenda, that we lose our
own agency, that we are exploited, that we are traumatized,
and then we are returned. I don't know where else
in the cosmos do you think you can't just come

(01:11:31):
down here in Interstellar Bill Cosby people like, no, you
can't do that. And I feel like it's wrong. It's
a crime, and it should be treated that way. It
should be treated as a legal thing. And this isn't
about national security. I think that is just one of
the it's adorable. Well, but UFOs are just restricted to

(01:11:54):
the United States. It's a global security.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Global thing. We are not the only ones. And then science,
science is up against a few different paradoxes where you
can't you can't have it both ways. And in one
instance it's okay to accept what we do to progress

(01:12:21):
science and biology. We go down to the Amazon, we
bag and tag new species, we bring them back here,
we dissect them. We take the mothers away from their children, right,
and and and come back and cut them open and
see what they're made of and check their dinas. But
for et to do this on this planet, it's no,

(01:12:44):
they wouldn't. What do you mean, It's what we do.
We are constantly now, bag and tagging a species is
one thing. We do it with plants, we do it
with you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Yeah, but it's our planet. Yeah yeah, but but it's
it's our planet though, right, You see that's the difference
now if we.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Go but but when we go to what do we do?
When we went to the Moon, we we brought rocks back,
we brought dirt and back. We brought everything that we
could from the Moon and we brought it back. And
we're doing that on Mars right now. We're going around
in school. We don't know how we're going to get
the stuff back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
But you call it bringing back rocks and dirt. I
call it prospecting.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
What it is. Well, we just did that with asteroid Benu.
You know. We went out there, scooped it up, brought
it back, landed it in the desert out in Utah
and and observed. Well e t of course that's what
they're doing, you know, it's it's about science and and
learning about the neighborhood that you that you live in.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
It's it's not a restretch to exploit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Sure, well, certainly we we we are interesting. We are
looking for or interesting stuff too. That's what we're doing.
We're out there looking for exoplanets and looking into their atmospheres.
And et is doing the exact same thing. Don't tell
me that they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
You don't have any We're really good at it and
we're terrible. Yeah, we're at the very beginning stages of
something they've probably been doing for millions of years.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Why does science, although it's changing somewhat, but why is
the majority of science so adamant that we are all
there is and there's no reason to contemplate something else.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Well, we're nothing if not anthropocentric as a species. You
have to admit. I mean, there are people out here
who are even like, oh, aliens are just us from
the future, Like everything has to be about us. And
I can assure you I've met them personally, I've been
this close to them before. They're not us, They're from
somewhere else and they started a long time before humans did.

(01:15:04):
But I think that we we we have things that
limit us, like Drake's equation. See again, science kind of
being that gatekeeper, that psychological, everlasting gobstopper that won't get
out of the way. That oh well, Drake's equations says,
if you add up all of these things, oh oh,

(01:15:26):
you mean all of these things that there are variables
but no measurements for it's it's blue sky and pie
in the sky. But the truth is is that it's
too limiting. I say, oh, well, all of these and
in the Drake equation, all of the variables are like
a planet like ours, that has water like ours, that
has carbon based life like ours, like you have no

(01:15:47):
idea what's out there. There could be graphene based, methane based,
There could be you know, carbon based, oxygen based. There
could be all kinds of different types of life in
an infinite and constantly expanding universe that we, in our
limited minds could never imagine. And so to take this

(01:16:11):
very narrow slice and say, oh, well, this percentage is
some minuscule amount, Well, fine, multiply that times the infinity
of the universe that is constantly destroying and creating over
and over, like a pulse engine that goes on for eternity.
And now what you're talking about is not a possibility

(01:16:33):
anymore but a foregone conclusion. It will just be a
matter of when and where, but not how right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Well I tend to it. Well, I agree with everything
that you just said. But let me put on the
science hat for a second. Eyewitness testimony is not physical.
An experience is aren't physical enough for science. It needs

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to be observed and it needs to be measurables. Whether
it is a piece of something uh or sensor data,
but whatever, it needs to be observed and be measurable.
Can you give me that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
R L? Sure? I mean again, we want something tangible,
we want something solid. I get that, okay. But if
we get that solid piece, we get that piece of
a UFO, we get that alien body. Well, now we
really don't need a physicist anymore, do we. Joe the
bus driver can figure this out. We don't need any

(01:17:40):
help from Neil deGrasse Tyson or Michio Kaku. Now, if
you've been hitting the head with a brick here it is,
Oh okay, I can accept. But how do we prove lightning?

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Well, I've seen that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
But where is the alien body?

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Right? Where's the alien body. Okay, I will produce that
evidence for you the moment you tell me how to
do that. You see, science wants to give us all
of these little side quests that I love so much that, Oh,
why don't you steal a radio knob off of the ship?
I'll tell you what. Why don't you try it the

(01:18:18):
next time you're abducted? And you see how that goes.
You see when scientists say you need to bring me
this kind of evidence, well, then you need to give
me a method for collecting it. If you haven't given
me a type of evidence and a method for collection,
And how about this one? How about what you're going
to do with it when I give it to you?

(01:18:41):
How are you going to use this piece of evidence
that you are demanding, that you are telling me how
to collect, and that you're going to test. How are
you going to test it so we know whether there
is a threshold between human and nonhuman? You see, no
one puts this stuff back on science. It says, why
don't you do your own homework? Why don't you do

(01:19:04):
your homework instead of telling all of these people who
are not scientists do your homework for you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Here here's the crazy part. Oh, there's so many crazy parts, right,
But one of the basic ideas in the world of
physics and quantum physics and theoretical physics is you can
change the state of matter by observing it by looking

(01:19:39):
at it. Right now, isn't Isn't that the craziest ship
that could ever come out of a scientist's mouth. But yet,
don't talk to me about UFOs, don't talk to me
about consciousness, don't talk to me about these things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:54):
But yes, we need hard evidence for these things, except
for gravitational waves and quantum computer like, as long as
they want to believe in it, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
They entanglement, entanglement, really, you're gonna convince me of that.
But you don't believe in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Ghosts, that's right, that's right. And we don't believe in aliens,
no matter how much evidence is for them. I'm sorry.
But if there was like a bigfoot tracking thing in
the government, like the Bigfoot, like sasquatch, has become a
problem that we need a whole couple of offices dedicated
just to this task that doesn't exist. I mean, everyone

(01:20:30):
would say, come on, come on, they exist, Why do
you have these offices? Yes, these UFOs exist. People from
every walk of life, from every continent, from every time period,
from every generation, have reported the same pretty much thing
that I've reported to you. Some type of species. They

(01:20:54):
can be different. Minor the little grays for my whole life.
But some are the tall, some are Nordy. You know,
there are lots of different species. But when people tell
me the grays don't exist, I have to kind of
laugh a little, because I like, the only way that
you know what a gray is to deny it is
because people like me told.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
You that's right, that's right, that's right. Do you think
do you think that Neil de grasse Tyson actually believes
that we are being visited by ET but he won't
say it because of his fan base. If he's a

(01:21:35):
sensible person, If he's a sensible person, and he knows
it's a numbers game. We are being visited by a
crazy amount of species. I mean it's like an insane amount.
So he understands numbers and how big those numbers are,
but he.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Can't twisted around. Actually he tries to twist for his
fan base. Yes, yeah, so he has taken the character
arc of the skeptic, the die hard skeptic despite the facts.
But I wanted to say, you said something there just
a minute ago, and he said, oh, how did you

(01:22:19):
put it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Oh do you think he believes?

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Oh? I think that he leaves that if there were
aliens advanced and telling her that they would want to
come visit him. I honestly believe that. But I thought,
come on, Neil, do you really think that these aliens
are going to pick you up and take you on
board just to have you point out everything they're doing wrong?
You know? Oh, I know what I was going to say.

(01:22:48):
The Gray when I was being given the tour of
the ship, he starts walking away and leading me through
the ship, and he stops almost like a like on
a dime, like he forgot to say something, and he
turns around and he looks at me and he says,
you know, there are several other species which interact with

(01:23:09):
your planet, and they don't all like you humans. And
I believe he was warning me that we are not
well liked because we are considered a kind mara species,
that the Grays have kind of tinkered with us through time,

(01:23:31):
and the last time they did, he said, was when
we showed the trait of blue eyes. That was not
a spontaneous mutation, but one that was done because of
them splicing their DNA into us. But he told me

(01:23:51):
himself that there are several other species that interact with
this planet, and they don't all like us very much,
and so to be very cautious, and so I don't
like the idea of reaching out to UFOs with our
brain waves or laser pointers or anything. We should we
should keep our head down, We should be safe, and

(01:24:11):
if we see one of these craft, we should go
the other way. Because until our government is going to
start responding to this appropriately and proportionately to protect us,
then you are, without meaning to, putting yourself at the
mercy of an advanced species who can blow by. There's

(01:24:32):
no bouncer at the door of this planet. They just
come right in.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Yeah I don't, I don't. Yeah, Yeah, you're right, you're right,
except I don't know if they really give a crap.
There isn't a reson for if we went to another planet,
you and I and we encountered another civilization that would say,

(01:24:57):
in the Middle Ages, you know, you like us, right
like our Middle Ages or whatever? Do we give a
do we feel threatened? Do we give a crap. No,
they're not threatening to us. We are not threatening to
any Well what about our nuclear weapons? And you know,
and it rips a hole in time. Uh, we are

(01:25:18):
not a threat to anybody a friend of mine, but
that which is not a threat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
You don't also don't have any fear about hurting. You
don't have any respect for them, You don't have any
care at all. So it's kind of making my point.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Well, they're not afraid of you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
They also don't need to respect you or your sovereignty.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Or Yeah, but I don't know if they would waste
their time with being dicks.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Okay, who is they? Because you understand what out there.
I don't think the Grays would. Oh. Also, one of
your viewers, I think her name was Erica, she asked
a very good question. She said, do you believe everything
they tell you? She was asking me, huh and no, No,

(01:26:07):
I don't believe everything they tell me. But I find
that everything that I have found out about seems to
be true. It seems to make sense and fit and
actually fill in the blanks and a lot of questions
I've had in my own life. So I don't think
that they've ever lied to me. But there are lies
of omission, things that you're not told that you probably

(01:26:31):
should be that could change the context. So I'm very
aware of that. And I thought that was a great question.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Yeah, no, that is a that's a really good point.
If I don't know, Uh, I have a friend, a physicist.
His name's Isaac Arthur. And if you have, if you
don't follow him, look him up as soon as we're
done with the show tonight and go check out his work.
He's amazing science and futurism with Isaac Arthur. And he

(01:27:00):
is super smart. Not as smart as me, but he's
damn smart. And he said he said to me one time,
and it really caught my attention. He goes, look, man,
e T doesn't have to if they want to get
rid of this. They don't point a laser at the planet.

(01:27:21):
They don't. They don't. They don't have to come in
here with some virus. They don't have to change our
app you know. You know what they do. They pull
into our star system at the speed of light. They
hit their brakes, point the ship at Earth and dump
their garbage, and the garbage hits planet Earth at the

(01:27:43):
speed of light. That's they don't have to then I
have to do it. We're thinking about all these you know,
grandiose things. No, no, it could be that simple. And
because that hasn't happened, I would say that it's we

(01:28:04):
are just not interesting enough for them to to be negative,
to be positive, or to do anything, to do research
science and check us out and DNA and all. Yeah, okay,
but they are they gonna come here and be Jesus
and cure us of cancer. I don't know if they
really give a crap.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
No, no, there there is a a clinical distance between
us for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Well look, look, you do you have a dog.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
I've had dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Okay. Do you have a cat? Do you have a bird?

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Cats? I have cats?

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Okay, you have cats plural.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Ya's curled up around my leg right now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
And she does not give a shit about you. But
that's that's another that's another, that's another discussion. You are
paying for her existence. She's got you so trained, you know.
But anyway, but here's my point. You can not lean
down to your beautiful cat and teach your cat how

(01:29:06):
to build a cell phone. It ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Right, And that's how they see us. They see us
very much. The way we see dogs that we're smart
enough to be useful, but not to be a threat.
We are physically dangerous. We're physically dangerous, like you know,
this big silver back gets up off that table. You
little guys better be somewhere else if I'm not in

(01:29:31):
the mood right because physically there's no competition. But they
have enormous intellect, unmatchable technology, and they have biological upgrades
that we do not, in the form of psychic ability.
Even if they don't speak to you, they can get
in there and hear what you're doing. They know where

(01:29:53):
you're going, why you're going there, what you're doing, what
you want to do. They can read you, and they
can adjust strategy without even having to hear you say
anything or even have you make a move. What can
they stages that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
That's such a good point. So let's say back to
Neil de grass Tyson. Let's say Neil asks them, right,
they're face to face, You and I were at Neil's house,
right e t is there and Neil goes, okay, so
how do you guys get here? And they explain, is

(01:30:33):
Neil gonna go Oh, I get it, No, he's not.
There's nothing that could be said to Neil at that
point that he will understand it's way beyond all of that.
It has to be.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Yes. I think he at that point he blows the circuit, right,
he pops a resistor. At this point he meant somebody smarter.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
He meant somebody smarter.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Back out right. And so they would say Neil de
grass Tyson right that, because they would be very superior.
Where people like Neil de grass Tyson they think they're
very smart, but in comparison to whom that the beings
who are coming here, the ones who have successfully evaded

(01:31:20):
the United States government, our best tracking and weapons, and
they have science helping them complicit in the denial and
everything else, what makes him think that he alone but
be able to guess their motives. They operate on a
level we can't comprehend. This is why the answers that

(01:31:41):
I was given by some of these by one of
these grades was so important to me, because I was like, Oh,
that's why you're doing this. You're not being mean to
me necessarily. This is a means to an end on
your part. It's not personal, and it's not personal. You see,
I'm not chosen or special. I mean they did do something.

(01:32:05):
They had some sort of ceremony, I want to call
it that where I was just I came to myself
standing in my pajamas on a pedestal, and one of
them came across to me on a pedestal, stood this
close to me, I mean very very uncomfortably close, and
stared at me in this completely black room. It felt huge,

(01:32:26):
but I couldn't tell how big or small the room was,
but I felt like I was being watched by a
lot of eyes, you know, you just have that feeling.
And We're standing there and staring at each other, and
I'm I'm looking at them, I'm looking at him in
front of me, and I thought, you know, I guess
I should be scared, but they're kind of cute. Honestly,

(01:32:51):
they're not scary to me. They're kind of cute. And
after about two minutes it felt like an eternity. But
after about two minutes, he raised his right arm and
I'll never forget how he did it. It was so strange,
like he was underwater. They moved strangely compared to us.
When you ask a human to point, they just do that,

(01:33:12):
you know, but not them. He raised his arm almost
like from the back, and then slowly uncurled his finger
and he touched me right here on my chest, over
my heart and inside my head. This voice boomed a
single word, Guardian.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Of what? Guardian of what?

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Are you the guardian or is he no?

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
I it's that they they label us like dogs. You know,
you have the hurting group and the working group. They
classify your genetics for use, and so I was part
of what they call the guardian group. They will use
my DNA to make bodyguards, guardians, the ones who protect

(01:34:01):
them so whenever they get into trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
A physical brain.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Oh it's a physical thing. Well, I think it's both
that I'm not afraid of much. Something about being autistic,
like short circuits, some of your fear, at least in
my case, which can be good or bad. Oh, whoever
said skinny Bob is super cute, Skinny Bob, that's them,

(01:34:30):
Just so you know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Oh, skinny Bob's skinny Bob.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
That's real. That is that face you saw? Was the
face I saw that I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
That's not the face. It's not the face. It's not
the face that I saw. And you know what, you
know what I find interesting about that is that's another
I think that's another problem where skeptics and debunkers have
it wrong, right, because they go, everybody's seeing, you know,

(01:34:59):
diff different things and different types of ships and different
types of beings. Why is it just one species visiting?
Why would you think that that is a really really
bad position. And and here's and here's the problem with that.
Let me flip this back to you. Why doesn't science

(01:35:25):
all of it except this idea. I don't know how
they're getting here, but we need to find out that's
it just like this, that have that mentality, and that's
exactly what's missing and how it's fundamental, it's like the

(01:35:48):
one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
And so they use this lack of evidence as the reason. Well,
there's no evidence, there's no reason to really even look
into it. We have pictures, we have videos, we have radar,
we have flear, we have so we have people who
have been abducted. It's like saying that lightning doesn't exist.
You say, oh, well i've seen lightning. That's an anecdote.

(01:36:11):
Well i've seen lightning. Okay, well i've seen UFOs. Well
we have pictures of lightning. I have pictures of UFOs.
But we have videos same, well, lightning. You know, I've
been struck by lightning. Okay, well I've been abducted. How
far down the road would you like to go with
this game? Before you realize that we're both studying something

(01:36:31):
that is in the sky. It is not predictable, it
is not reproducible, It is outside of our control. It
is a non natural phenomenon, so we cannot study it
the same way that we tried to study other things
on this planet. You could say, oh, well, lightning before
there was the ability to detect, Like Benjamin Franklin was

(01:36:55):
hanging out a window with a kite with a key
tied to it, probably drunk out of his mind in
the middle of a thunderstorem I'm saying here, lightning, lightning, right,
just to try to prove that this is a real thing.
And so one of the things that I heard them say,
which was very unfortunate on the News Nation program, was

(01:37:17):
if someone is abducted, you should try to steal something
off the ship. You should grab something and stick it
in your pocket and try to smuggle it out. And
I thought, my god, you're not thinking at all like that.
You don't do that, You don't do that. If you're
ever abducted, be calm, do nothing, survive first.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
I would try. I would trade T shirts. I would
give him this Harley Davidson T shirt for their Zeta
reticular T shirt. That's what I would do.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
It has to be needed.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Don't steal that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
That's wrong. But yeah, man, because it's wrong. It's because
you don't know what you're grabbing. It could be poisonous,
it could be radio it could kill you, it could
kill others, it could be contaminated. Right. Yeah, they have
technology we can't even dream of. And he's like, hey,
grab just grab some random thing, shove it in your

(01:38:13):
pocket and bring it to me. And here's my question.
Even if I did, Okay, let's say I did. I
grabbed something off the Medical Trust stuff in my pocket,
didn't kill me. I hand it to you?

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Now what? Now? What?

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Oh you're gonna look at it through a microscope? Are
you gonna you don't understand and they're not going to
understand it. Yeah, right, you're not going to understand what
you're looking at. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
I was with that. I was with a physicist six
months ago, and uh man, I want to say who
it was, but I just can't I don't want to
put him on the spot. But I was with this
physicist and so we were talking about this subject, and
you know, it's a pretty pretty famous person. And I'm

(01:38:59):
not intimid at all by intelligence. I'm not. I learned
from that. I suck it in. Be my friend. Let
me you know, you know, you know, you know what
I mean, teach me something. But this physicist said to me,
I saw I'm telling him about the beer can sighting
that we had and this giant ship and it was

(01:39:19):
it was crazy. It was huge and there was like
thirty of us and we all got to watch it
and it was incredible. So I tell him the story
and he goes, how big was it? I go, I
don't know, maybe five hundred feet tall, and it was
spinning and then it just phased out and goes, you
imagined it? Oh, I go, I what? No, Well, thirty

(01:39:42):
of us are we all imagined it? No? I saw
it with my own eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
You were shrimming man.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
And he tried to convince me that I imagined it, and
he gave me a long list of stuff. It's the movies,
it's the books that you read, it's the people that
you interview, and you just you know, and no, it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
Was just your brain towash yourself Jimmy into.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. I Carl younged me into this.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
You've brainwashed yourself into this. It's not that you have
a firm grasp of the obvious at any given moment
in your life. And you see, this is what they do.
They want to gaslight, they want to pathologize you that
people see what they want to see. Let me ask
you this, just radar see what it wants to see?
Does fleers see what it wants to see? Do top

(01:40:36):
gun commanders out engaging one of these targets over the water?
Is this what he wants to I guarantee r L
R L.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Yes. But we had those same top gun commanders in
the Roman Army see these things right, yes, yes, professional
eye witnesses militarily picked the country. It happened right, flying
shields in the sky, what you know. However, they wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
To even intervened in some battles that showed up, and
then everybody said, you know what, I don't I think
this is a bad omen. Let's all just go home,
right right right?

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
You look at the Nuremberg etchings, you know those woodcuts.
Oh my gosh, right, and you just wanted to so
the modern historical version of me and my beer can
it's in the Neuremberg woodcuts, or it's in the Roman army,
or it's it's you know what I mean, it's Charlotte

(01:41:40):
Magi and it's Helene, what name somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
I'll give you a perfect example. In the Book of Exodus.
I took a picture. I was playing liffele ball with
my son in two thousand and six, and I took
a picture of a UFO in the sky that we saw.
It was a long, metallic cigar shaped object. And then
when it was approached by jets from right Pad Air

(01:42:07):
Force Base, which I lived right next to, it turned
white like shields up. And then it turned at an
angle and disappeared. And before it did, I took a picture.
I actually caught it before it took off. And I
was reading a book of Exodus, and it said, and
the Lord appeared in a pillar of a cloud by

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day and a pillar of fire by night. This is
two thousand years ago. And I was looking at my
picture and I say, uh wait, a pillar of a cloud.
So a long, skinny uniform. It looks like a pillar
and fuzzy and white like a cloud. And that's a

(01:42:50):
very good description of my picture. And then he said,
and a pillar of fire by night. Well, you and
I would be able to tell. Oh, that thing's so
bright in giving off light. I can see it in
the daytime, but in their time, the only thing that
gave off light was fire. So he described it as
a fuzzy pillar of a cloud by day, and then

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at night it glowed.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
And it guided them through the desert at night, illuminating
the ground. You know when you that, that is one
of the most interesting passages. The Bible is just full
on Independence day. You know, it's just it is. It
is so science, it's so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
But that I took a picture of the same thing
two thousand years later.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
I know you did, you know? And that example an exit. Okay,
so here's here's the crazy part. You read that part
of Exitus right where you know, guiding right everybody through
the desert and illuminating so they don't get lost and
helping them out. And it's in the sky and it's illuminating.
Where does that that's the Old Testament. That is an

(01:43:57):
old story. Okay, that's old. That's old that's thousands of
years old. What were they seeing in the sky because
back then it was just birds and locus locus. We
got the you know, can't you know? But anyway, what
are they seeing in the sky that they put it
into those kinds of words. They don't have movies and

(01:44:20):
books and h g wells.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
And chariots of the gods. My friend, you know, Eric Fondanika,
I met him. He actually signed this old moth eaten,
dog eared copy of my book at Yeah, there is
right there, he signed it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
I have a few of those.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
Yeah, this is my oldest possession actually, and I keep
it around because he was the one who actually really
pulled the wool from our eyes and said, look, they've
been talking about this the entire time, you know, but
it is it has never been revisited and put into
the context in which we could get the actual meaning

(01:45:03):
and extract that from it the way that we should.
They were using the best terms they had at the time.
We're using the best terms we have at the time
right now. And our science has no excuse for defending
this outdated outlook on the universe or on their fellow man.

(01:45:24):
If you think that I'm out here doing this for
riches and attention. I saw your comment in the comment section. Yeah,
I said something about my book because I'm here to
tell you about my book, because my book will educate you.
Trust me when I tell you there's no condos that
will be bought in Florida with your money. If you
spend it on a book, you will get far more

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out of it than I will. And that isn't what
it's about for me. It's about getting people to know
the real information because there's so many fakes. There's so
many frauds, so many phonies, people who know they don't
have to prove anything they say, where I feel like
I have to prove everything you know, and I try
my very best. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Yeah, that is It's such an interesting point. I want
to go back to. I mean, I could stay on
what you just said. First off, when when you go
to when you go to a conference and you see,
you know, the authors selling their books at their table

(01:46:27):
and people one of the it just infuriates me that
they're just trying to make money off of this. Okay,
let me explain something to everybody. Traveling to the conference
costs money. Eating for three days or four days hotel rooms,
travel everything else. So you can sell a handful of

(01:46:52):
books at twenty bucks each. All of those authors, I
guarantee you are doing it for the glory, are doing
it for the spirit, are doing it for the contributions
to share their own experiences, because they are losing money
by going to that conference. If you think that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
Now you come out of pocket, you're not going every
single time.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
And that's one of the things that I love about
this community. You know, we're all family and we're in
this together, and we're pushing this thing forward. I am
happy that it is out more than it ever has
been in the past. The teasing and the tinfoil hat
aspect of it is now starting to be lifted. It's

(01:47:40):
not fully gone, it's not fully gone, but it's starting
to be lifted, and I feel pretty good. But that
doesn't mean we take our foot off of the neck
of the man. No, No, we keep our foot on
you just and push down. That's what you do right now.
I know we need to getting.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
The best information out too. It's not just Oh, I
wrote these because I wanted to be an author. I
wrote these because I felt like I'm the only one
who can tell you this like, this is my experience
and this really happened to me, and I've collected evidence
over decades, and I want other people to know, Hey,
if this happens to you, you're not alone, You're not crazy,

(01:48:22):
and don't believe people who tell you are. Believe in yourself,
and don't back down. If you know this has happened
to you, you have those same signs. It's almost like
a checklist in my book of what to do and
how to know. Then I'm helping my fellow abductees. I'm
helping people from possibly not getting abducted by avoiding certain

(01:48:45):
kinds of behavior. That I present validation for people who
have experienced the same onto logical shock, abduction and assault,
and that it is also about public awareness and feeling
that they have the license to push back against the

(01:49:06):
cognoscity the intelligentsia of science and say, hold on, what
about this and what about that? And the way you're
using words and the way you're using science, why aren't
you doing this job? And put the onus back where
it belongs. Instead of putting it on the people who
are the victims of this abduction and ontological assault, put

(01:49:28):
it on the people who should be investigating it right,
And that's what this book is about, is how to
do that quickly, efficiently, and with every argument that they
can muster, because they're just arguments, they are not rooted
in fact. And it is people like me who have
been really abducted and tell you the truth, that are

(01:49:49):
the walking, talking proof of that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
What do you think about in the little time that
we have left? What do you think about three I Atlas?
What's your take?

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
I am reserving judgment on it right now. I know
that there's been a lot made about this, but I
have to say it's funny to me in a way
that av Lowe, a person who is obviously a very
intelligent and scientific person, wants to look way way out
there at something that we can't touch or you really

(01:50:23):
get to or anything, and say, I'm pretty sure that's extraterrestrial. Meanwhile,
people like me on the planet, I've met them. You know,
no one cares, no one, no one wants to hear
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, except because I'm one of you. Okay,
But here's here's the difference. I know av low Okay,
I know him. I've had dinner with him, I've hung
out with him. He's been on my TV show. It's
been on this show many times.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
I wanted to return my email.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Well, I'll do that. I'll do that. I'll text him
right now. But here's the thing. AVY is data driven.
AVI is not about the WU. He doesn't want to hear.
Do not bring up reptilians to AVI? Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
No, can we bring up radar? Can we bring up
flear No?

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Hold on hold on r l okay?

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
The reason why he says what he says about anything
is because it's supported by the data that he has.
That's it. And so the data that he sees on
three I Atlas or Oma right or or Boresov is uh.

(01:51:38):
The data says it is not this right, it's not
a natural object. It's not behaving this way, it's not
doing this, it's not doing that. The the angle, the speed,
the trajectory, the changing, whatever it may be. The reflection
that was rotating right, and it was flashing every eight hours,

(01:52:01):
and so the conclusion that he came to is that
it must have been flat and it was doing this
every eight hours. The reflection was going to almost nothing
to full reflection, and the only thing that would do
that is something that and also on the edges of it,
so he you know, he felt like it was a

(01:52:21):
flat piece of a round, flat piece of metal all
right now only because of the data. And so when
it comes to three I at lists for him to
come to the conclusions that he is very vocal about,
it's because the data that is there. Me, well, I

(01:52:43):
don't think it's natural. I don't think it's natural.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
This is Pool's day, this is Pool's razor. Data without
context is meaningless. We have to have context for the data.
So while it may be true that this doesn't look
or act like anything we have I've encountered before, that
doesn't make it alien. And I've been abducted by them, right,

(01:53:07):
So if anybody's going to believe something is extraterrestrial, it
would be me. And even if it were extraterrestrial, it
could be it could be a defunct piece of technology,
maybe a ship that is dead or dying, or maybe
out of control in some way that is just being

(01:53:27):
whipsawed around by the physics of the of the celestial
objects around it. It could be. However, we have lots
of data on objects that have been far closer to
us than three I outs that he doesn't seem to
be interested in looking at regardless of the data.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Right, I'm not busting your chops, but I don't want
you to be a paradox either. So let me let
me help you out here in that you talked about
evidence earlier, right, and and the scientific community and they're
crying for evidence. Well, well, if this turns out to
be that something that can be measured and observed, that

(01:54:07):
becomes evidence like the real kind, and that that would
certainly change the course of history.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
And it can as long as they're willing to make
a delineation between human and non human. That's the hard
part that I think science is having a very difficult time.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
Did you hear well, Michio Kaku said last week and
obviously said the same thing. Well, we all can say this,
but if that thing changes speed or changes direction, it's
alien period period people. That's that's it, that that is intelligo.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
So they've set the bar pretty low, really, and I
think fair. If it changes speed, it's being controlled. If
it changes direction, it's being controlled. If it is being controlled,
it is being controlled by someone awful of this planet,
And therefore, by any definition they would be alien or extraterrestrial.

(01:55:06):
So I think that's very logical. Don't you think only
they were so even with their logic.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
I know right now, that's the paradox, right right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
I don't think I'm paradoxical at all. I think I'll
be very consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
I'm just messing with you. I'm just messing with you,
of course. But there's eight and a half billion people
on this planet that want this answer of us, you know,
being alone or not. And for so many they they
they will. They can hear from me, they can hear
from you. They can hear from Travis Walton and whatever, who.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
I met by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
Yeah, he's a great guy. He's a great guy. He
was on the show last week or the week before.
He's been on the show many times. I just love
that guy. You can hear from people like that. But
that for the world, what they want is an announcement
from the.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
Old and we need the government to tell us where
babies come from. Disclosures already happen.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
If you have the Internet, good news. If you have
access to Amazon, good News, you can buy books that
people like myself have put together all of our evidence
and our stories. You can read you can go watch
hundreds and thousands of hours of video. You can go
to zero one three five. I've in zero one three five.

(01:56:26):
Go look at Skinny Bob. That's them, the ones that
I've met. That's a real film. I don't care what
anyone tells you. I know I've been face to face
with them. Skinny Bob is the real deal. So disclosures happened? Now?
Do they want to officially gift boxed and you know,
made out to us and given to us by the government,

(01:56:49):
because you know, we trust the government so much everything
they see.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
No, totally, I totally get you, totally gets you. But
here and the words that you just spoke, I have
spoken a lot, and I was speaking. I had It's
about twenty five hundred people packed room, twenty five hundred

(01:57:13):
that's a big ballroom.

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
Full of people.

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
And I stood on that stage RL and I said,
disclosures already here. I don't need disclosure. I've seen what
I've seen. I've witnessed what I've witnessed. I've seen, and
that place booed me off the stage. Twenty five hundred
people yelling and screaming, throwing tomatoes, lettuce, heads of lettuce,

(01:57:36):
hitting me on the stage. You know why, that's not
good enough for them, for the husband, for the wife,
for the daughter, for the friend that can not talk
about this stuff with their family or their friends, or
their coworkers or anything else until that announcement goes on TV.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
So they can turn to the official validation say that
they need that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
And I've changed my tune. I totally get it. I
totally I can adapt, I can change my mind. And
that's one of the things that I accept for them.
They needed to They need that. They need it so bad,
you know, they needed so so they can just turn
and slap their husband right and go see. See, this

(01:58:24):
is what I've been on about.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
Hey, listen, you think I don't have a list if
I told you so this man, of course I do,
you know, I of course right. But it's more than that.
This is about are we going to make it? Are
we going to evolve past this? Because if we can't
evolve past the idea that this is happening to us
while our physicists are out in the forest on their

(01:58:47):
great hunt for a tree, right, we have to be
back at home taking care of this. We cannot leave
it to size. We can't leave it to the military.
We have to take care of ourselves. We have to
inform ourselves. We have to make it our personal responsibility
to find out on our own where we have the evidence.

(01:59:10):
We have abduction witnesses who will tell you for free
all day what they know. And we have people, we
have people like you who are doing these amazing shows
bringing us on, not being afraid of any fallout from
that and saying, hey, these people are worthy of being
listened to. Please give them your time. This cooperation with

(01:59:32):
us should be enough that we validate each other. We
do not need the gas lighters to validate us. This
is this is an abusive, toxic relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
So true.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
We have to validate ourselves, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
So true. We're out of time. I do want to
I do want to say this really quick. The question,
and we've alluded to this a few times tonight, but
the question I would have for E.

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
T U.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
It's not about propulsion systems, it's not about communication, it's
not about any of that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
My question to ET is how did you guys survive?
How did you guys get past it? Because if we
don't figure out how to survive here before we you know,
knock each other out and end the human race. If
we don't get past this, we don't get to be
et So what did they do?

Speaker 3 (02:00:28):
You know?

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
That's the advice I've just how did you guys survive?
Just tell us that and we can move on. And
that's that's my question. I think that's it's it's it's
so crucial that it is. There's so many, so many
species on this planet kill themselves out. We're trying to
do that now. And yeah, yeah, you know, And that's

(02:00:49):
that's what I would that's what I would want to
get from E.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
T r L.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
What a great conversation tonight, man. I look forward to
our next one. And where can everybody chase you down?
The follow your work?

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
I don't really do social media, but I do have
a YouTube channel. It is called The Haunted Sky and
my handle in there is UFO UAP Magnet. And of
course you can get my book Cosmic blind Spot Why
Neil deGrasse Tyson is wrong about UFOs or Beneath the
Haunted Sky The Evidence for Alien Abduction on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
Very easy links for RL's books are below, and Bill
has got everything up right there in the chat. Thank
you so much, Bill, By.

Speaker 3 (02:01:34):
The way, your audience is amazing. I loved all the comments.
Thank you really.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
Appreciate it's the absolute best, the absolute best. They are
the best. RL. Thank you so much. Be safe out
there and I look forward to our next conversation. Thank
you so much. Bye, have a great night, perfect night
of the show, great way to start off the week
here on Fade to Black. I do want to remind
everybody tomorrow night right here Grant Cameron and we're gonna

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be talking about three I at List and also his
new book and so much more. It's always great when
Grant is on with us. RL. Thank you so much.
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