FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Dean Alioto

Tonight, director Dean Alioto joins us to talk about his two documentaries: The Alien Perspective and Live Beyond Earth... an amazing, open conversation!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
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Applying this harpy found and there's now in the possession
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Speaker 4 (00:45):
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this work.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
This is day to Black.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
It's your host, Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
I gotta get my crystals in place. How can I
start the show without crystals in place? This is fade
to black? How you doing? Everybody? Today is Monday, November tenth,
twenty twenty five. I am Meryrol Jimmy Church. Let's do
this man, all right, So we've got a short week.
I'm fade to black this week. Tonight, Dean Aliotto's with

(01:33):
us and we are going to be talking about making
Disclosure films and his works as a filmmaker and a
director and everything that he does. He's even done some
acting too as well, and he says he plays drums.
That remains to be seen. But for the rest of
the week, Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday, we are off air because

(01:54):
I am TV Production out shooting more Beyond Believe. Yeah,
so it looks like I'm just going to give everybody
the heads up that the way that the new scheduling
over at Gaya is going to play out. Instead of
me shooting on Fridays, which I have been doing for

(02:15):
a long time, and that goes all the way back
like three years when we were shooting into the Vortex,
I always shoot on Fridays because that fade to black
Monday through Thursday. So that's going to change. We are
going to start shooting starting now Beyond Belief midweek, and

(02:36):
it's just the scheduling and how everything is working out,
and that's what they would like to do from now
on and throughout twenty twenty six. So that's what we're
going to do. I'll do one show on Monday and
then I've got to fade to black and then I've
got to go Beyond Belief. It's just the way that
it is, kids, all right, So I'll see. I'm just

(02:57):
getting everybody that heads up. This is the schedule has
just been presented to me. Okay, so I think what
we will do? Why not fill up the schedule. I'm
going to take a look at it. I'll talk to
Michelle and we'll see if we'll do a show on
Monday and do a show on Friday after I get back. Man,

(03:20):
it's a lot of work. But you know what, it's
my bliss. You know, it's when you find it, you know,
your feet other Dian and I were just talking about
that during sound check, finding your bliss being happy and
this audience makes me happy. My next event coming up,
I've got a full slated fully Slam twenty twenty six.

(03:42):
But the next event that is coming up is the
Conscious Life Expo, which is February twenty through the twenty third,
twenty twenty six at the Lax Hilton. I've been hosting
this event for the last twelve thirteen years. Tickets are
now on sale at Conscious Lifeexpo dot com. The tickets
went live earlier this week. All right, all right, Oh,

(04:05):
I just wanted to say really quick. I went out
to the Love Ride a road out with a lot
of friends yesterday and Kostatic and it was so much fun.
And not only the music and the stage, but it's
it's the it's the people, it's the family. It's what

(04:26):
the Harley community is and they have that many. I
have no idea, you know, five ten thousand by it,
I have no idea. It was a lot in one place,
just so many smiling faces and the music and everything else.
It was so much fun. And so there's some pictures
I posted up on social media, which I don't do often,

(04:49):
but they are there, all right, So that explains what
I was doing out there in Castaic Lake. All right. Tonight,
Dean Aliotto is with us and and like I just mentioned,
making disclosure films, making UFO films, making films about et man,
that's a good gig. That's a good gig. And we

(05:10):
were just talking about the McPherson tape, and if you
guys haven't seen it, go and check that out. It's
a really really good film, found footage film. But he's
got two documentaries out, The Alien Perspective and Life Beyond Earth,
and you can get both now, and I'm sure they're
both on Amazona. Lask Dean about that. But we've got

(05:30):
the links for Dean below and over on our website
and throughout social media. He's got a great eye for film.
I like the way that he edits. I like the
way that he frames. I like his interview style and
he has the best of the best. It's really really cool.
So we're going to be talking about all of that
and much more. Here he is. You know, I normally say, Dean,

(05:55):
you know, my good friend. But although we're friends, right,
you're like the guy I want to hang out with.
You know what I mean? You you look smart.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I get that a lot. I get that a lot.
It's it's a burden.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Well you you look good, You're intelligent, you can carry conversation.
You are you know, you're the person people want to
hang out with. You know.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Well, thank you that. That's very kind of you.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
By the way, when you were talking about your crystals,
I thought I was getting a getting treated to a
Christopher Walking impersonation. You said, I've got to get my
crystals lined up?

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Did I I've never? Oh, man, I gotta work on
I got to work on that.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's like a walk in, Like you know, someone walks
into your soul. It's a walk in, you know.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, you're you're very very kind.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, thank you so much. And the the beginning of
this conversation is going to be easy and in traditional
because because I am very curious about this, and so
is everybody else. When when I look at somebody that's uh,
had you know, success at a career. It's able to
go and get stuff done. You have to deal with funding,

(07:18):
you have to deal with distribution, you have to deal
with studios. You've got to have people say yes, you
have to negotiate, and you're in that other world, that
world of normis that we call Hollywood, which is which
is nuts, but it's a whole other thing to do
this with a with a UFO aspect to it and

(07:42):
an ET aspect to it. And the only way that
that happens is because of your dedication and something personal.
What what brought you in here? What? What was the thing?
Did you have a crazy aunt a crazy uncle?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I did not related to that, but I did.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
I think what it was was. I always kind of
harkened back to where I feel like there were there
were three moments in my life where my imagination was
giving major fertilizer.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
The first one was the divorce, you know, divorce being
divorce parents.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
My mother I grew up in was born in San
Francisco but grew up in Sacramento for a while, and
my brothers, my two brothers and my mother had moved
to the Bay Area.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
Back to the Bay Area, and.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I was with my father for three years, and for
some reason, I would look out my window apartment window,
and I would look at the stars, and as lonely
as my life was, I felt like there was someone
else that was out there that was probably feeling going,
you know, going through the same thing I was.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
And for some reason I took solace in the stars.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
All the flickering felt like heart beats out there, and
so that really kind of got me going and got
me an interest in in sci fi. And then I
would say I had a great teacher who would read
me science fiction or would read fan to see like
the Hobbit, that was terrific. But then you know Spielberg,
He's the gateway drug for everyone.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Close Encounters.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I'm watching a movie that is really almost a religious movie.
It's spiritual and there's no bad guys, and yet I'm gripped.
It feels like a full on action film, which it is,
among other things. And so I saw that, and then
when I saw ET, I went, oh, I'm a screwed
up middle child. This is my life, but it's celebrating

(09:28):
what's you know, what would be a broken home and
it's bringing magic to it. And so when I saw that,
how I felt I wanted to instill that in others.
And so that kind of you know, got me into
doing this. And it's funny when you're mentioned about how
challenging it is to get movies made and all the
distribution all that stuff. All filmmakers want to do the
same thing, hopefully, which is they want to tell a

(09:50):
new story, and distributors and stuff don't always like that,
give us more of the same, but new. We just
call it new familiar, and that is actually, you know,
a term. And so when I set out to do
these documentaries, well I've got some investors, but a lot
financing you know, myself.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
It was an opportunity for me to do that.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
And so the first thing I did is I looked
at all the documentaries. I really dug and I ran
the other way to the other side of the room,
which was, instead of looking at from the usual perspective,
which is all we have, which is the humans perspective,
it was, let's go take a look at it on
the other side from the alien's perspective. As a hypothetical,
who would be interested in talking about that.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, it turns out there's a crapload.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Of people, including doctor Mitchell Kalku, who's in the first one,
The Only Perspective, and doctor Dinah Pisalka, who was fantastic
in Life Beyond Earth, the newer second documentary. So that's
kind of how it all, you know that came about.
That's my gateway journey.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
I was. I don't know if you've caught it yet.
It just came out. Apple TV's got so excellent, Uh
Scorsese documentary series called Mister Scorsese. Have you seen it?

Speaker 3 (11:00):
I have?

Speaker 5 (11:00):
Okay, he talks about he talks about this exact subject,
you know, when he was trying to find himself early on,
where he had stuff in his head. He had the vision,
but studios didn't want that. They wanted just the normal
thing and just go out and we'll pay you to

(11:22):
And I think he said it was John Cassavettes and
I know his Cassavetti's daughter, and I've been up to
his house so many years ago. But anyway, so I've
always been attached to Cassavetties aside from his films, just
a really cool guy. But he was the one that
went to score and said, exactly what you're saying, dude,

(11:45):
is that the film you want to make them? Go
make it because you just wasted a year of your
life on bullshit.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Right, And he was like a father and he goes,
don't ever do that again, don't.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Ever do it again, no matter what, go and if
this is what you want to do, uh go do it,
which was mean streets right, and yeah, oh man, and
it's so hard even.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (12:08):
Let me ask you this because when I first started
broadcast and uh, and I was in school. One of
our instructors who work for CNN by the way, you know,
so we have these adjunct professors come in and teach,
you know, for a couple of weeks and do the
thing or longer. But he was in and he was
teaching us about editing. Uh loops. Donuts is what they're

(12:32):
called in in in news, which is a video that
you speak in the center and then you have the video.
It's called a donut. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I said
to him, I go so uh and he's talking about
the process. You know, your news director is going to
give you a story and assignment. You're gonna go out
and do it? I said, what if? What if? What if?

(12:54):
What if you had a story about a UFO? Would
you take that to your news director? He goes, what, dude,
I love my career. I would never do that. No,
that's the kiss of death. Never ever say UFO again,
no kind of thing. I was like, well, I know
what I'm gonna do. If that's your advice, right, and

(13:16):
throwing it back at you when you decided to make this,
you know this this kind of transition or do these
parallel while you're doing other stuff? Did you get some
reactions like that? What UFOs?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, it's funny because our generation if I if I
may say that and risk dating ourselves.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
It's only I mean, it's.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Only been recently that UFOs have been kind of cool
and the way that it's accepted. And every single time
you know, they do a clip, they don't always do
the X Files theme, you know. So, yeah, we were
that nerdy kid that was in the you know, Bigfoot
Permuter triangle UFO and and so for me as a filmmak,

(14:00):
I wanted to tell those stories fictionally. I wanted to
have actors and everything portraying real incidences. And then it
wasn't until I would like do documentaries for A and
E Bravo that I started working in that space and
I thought, Okay, it's time for me to take that
skill set, that side of my career and fold it
into this and and so I.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Feel like, I don't know, it's it's it's for me.
I mean my first.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Film that I did, the McPherson tape that was based
on reading's Whitley Streemers book and just freaking me out
more than any Stephen King novel and going, Okay, this
is truly terrifying. How would I would I tell this story?
And so for me as a storyteller, which is what
we are, even if you're in radio are you know
you're we're all kind of working from the same edges,

(14:46):
coming inwards telling stories. We bring people on and we
want to discuss, and it's all fireside chat, right, it's campfire,
and so it's I don't know, I feel like it's
something that is an existent thing, that we're not alone,
that there's something else that's out there, and just the
knowledge of that feels like we're a part of something

(15:08):
much bigger than our lives. And so I kind of
keep coming back to that at least for me my journey.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
So you mentioned Christopher walking with me, Yeah you are.
Steve Vai yeah, wow wow.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I usually get I usually get Jeff Goldblum.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
I'll take Steve Oh yeah, yeah, no, no Goldbloom kind
of no Steve v Okay, Steve v Steve I who
is an alien by the way, he is, Uh, he is.
He's an alien. He had an album It's called Alien
Love Secrets and wow wow, and yeah he is. He's

(15:51):
he's fully into it, fully into it now.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
The The the other part of this is it seems
like then we're going to dive deeper. It seems like
it's almost a paradox making these comments like we are.
But it seems like it's a pretty easy thing to
get greenlit in Hollywood if you have some alien invasion movie,

(16:18):
you know what I mean, something like that, that those
are coming out, you know, probably once a week, twice
a week, something is released in that, you know what
I mean, And it's almost a paradox.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Well, it was funny.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I was talking, I think to Leslie Kane about this
because they've been trying to get her movie UFOs, Generals,
et cetera. The long title on the record, on the record, Yeah,
on the record, her thing going. And for me, I
always want to see the latest and greatest of what
is in the UFON news portrayed. And I told her

(16:54):
I was forecasting this. I said, there's going to be
a plethora, a crapload of UFO movies come out because
of you know, everything from the nimtz Uh deal to
you know, what's going on even now with the with
the Buga spheres.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
It's all fodder for for filmmakers.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
But it's the way they portray it because I don't
put a lot of stock in alien invasion movies, even
though I've done them, because if they wanted to take
us out, they would just send something that would be
the size of a fille flying out with a pathogen
and wipe us out. And if and they could program it,
you know, genetically, that it would take out all the
humans but leave the animals if they like the animals,

(17:38):
you know, et cetera. And so I feel like there
is this kind of you know, observational thing, you know,
and and without jumping ahead, but doing these documentaries I
started out, you know, I always use the analogy like
the Beatles, you know, Paul McCartney is that they're coming
from their planet. John Lennon is that they're coming from
another dimension, you know, and maybe George's that they're coming

(18:03):
from you know, the future.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
And so there's all these different theories that you.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Start to like, you know, I like Paul Moore, I like,
you know, the the extra tempstrial theory as Michael Masters
has it.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
But I'm also interesting ones that I haven't heard.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Like when I first met Louel Azanda, the first thing
I said to him is I said, I think these crafts,
these crafts are living, breathing. I think they are organic,
and he right away he jomped and said, yes, absolutely,
And then I kind of doubled down and I said,
it's interesting that people have seen loved ones to cease
loved ones on these crafts are near craft And so

(18:38):
that got me thinking that maybe they're traveling in the
astral plane where people will describe seeing ghosts and they say, no,
it's as real, like I can touch it. It's as
real as here, and then in a blip they're gone,
or you could see through them. And so if we
could figure out technology wise to be able to travel
and change your vibration and be able to do that.

Speaker 5 (19:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
It's again it's great fodder for writers, but it's also
good for us as as you know, truth seekers, to
test the metal of them, you know, and out there.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
I often say that doing this show coast to coast,
you know, TV shows and film that, and I've chalked
up Dean, this is crazy. Three thousand, three thousand shows. Right,
it's insane. Right, it's insane. But it's like going to college,

(19:35):
you know what I mean. It's twelve years every night
listening to a professor right, teaching a class, learning, and
it's crazy. How I have evolved on the subject. How
have you evolved? Where did you start out and where
are you now?

Speaker 3 (19:53):
That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I think I started out just being blankant. We saw
him in the sky, so obviously they come from another
planet outside, you know, from outer space. It wasn't until
I read Jacques Rolai's book Dimensions and got a chance
to meet him. He actually came to the premiere, and
this is a long long time ago for the McPherson tape.

(20:17):
We went out to dinner after and all I want
to do was talk about UFOs, and he just wanted
to talk about filmmaking, but reading dimensions just knocked me
on my butt because it was like, all right, hold on,
I need to stop being so linear. And so at
some point I would say that, you know, going to
UFO conventions and science conventions and talking to people like yourself,

(20:40):
it starts to become this intuitive thing what resonates with you.
And I'm still of the belief that it could be
all of the above. You know, we interview doctor Nick
Bostrom out of Oxford who created the simulation reality hypothesis
that we're living in a simulation and there's merit to that.

(21:00):
So it it kind of changes, not like the weather,
but it does morph into things.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
And so for me, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Where I'm sitting right now is that I'm actually more
at peace with it than I've ever been because I
feel like there is some divine, if you will, divine
plan that's going on. Does that mean that you know
something's going to happen? Doesn't mean at lis this and
that I don't think it needs to happen like that.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Myself.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
You know, I'm not going to debate you. I'm not
because I'm just going to repeat what you said earlier.
All of the above you know, and that's that's kind
of why I just I don't. I've seen so many
things everybody has right, okay, but that doesn't mean you

(21:55):
know what it is, right right, that's it could.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's an important distinction. That's a very important distinction, because
when I say it doesn't have to be like that,
what I means is it doesn't have to be this moment.
Because every time I'm on a panel, you know, like
Contacting the Desert, Linda Moulton, how was talking about you know,
she's getting twenty twenty seven, And I made the joke
in a nice way. Don't get mad at me, Linda,

(22:21):
But I made a joke. I said, if I betted
against every date that was ever given, I could finance
my films no problem.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Because whether it's a.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Moving target or it's just that for thousands of people,
maybe millions, they've had disclosure with having you know, for experiencers,
they've you know, met them up close and personal. And
so for me, the hearings, I'm not really interested in
any more hearings unless they drop, you know, a tailpipe

(22:50):
of a UFO, or they drop an alien arm, or
we start bringing experiencers into this. Why would you not
invite the people who are you know, have with very
convincing cases, been face to face and communicating with them.
And so for me, I don't know that it needs
to be this cataclysmic, huge, you know, event type movie situation.

(23:13):
I think it can be something that's that's already started,
and I think it has and so I feel like
it's going to be much more of a gradual thing
and we'll find ourselves in it.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
And that's just me reverse engineering where we've been.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I could be totally wrong, and part of me really
wants us to be wrong. I want that landing on
the White House.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Right, h yeah, yeah, we all we all want that.
And is there anything now? Because man, I just want
to ask this properly, and I don't want you to
take this the wrong way. Once you have exposed yourself
as you have to so many different ideas and perspectives,

(23:54):
and some of it gets way out there on the
wu Wu scale, right, is there they're a way to
shock you now? And would the world be shocked with
something or would they just go, well, you know what,
anything's possible.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
All right?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I always uh when I think about getting something really valid,
There's two things I think about one is I think
about how, you know, if I look at a truth
as being something that you need to kick the tires
or you need to go on a date with it,
you're not going to give it up everything on the

(24:36):
first date, Like give your heart on the first date.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
It's going to take you a while. So you need
that process.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
If you dive back in, then there's no discerning, there's
no critical thinking going on, and God knows we need that.
I mean, if I could change the DNA of humans,
it would be to change them to to have more
critical thought these days. I mean, because of all the
distractions and you can all la carte information you can,
you know, you can be parked at one true and
that's it, and that's bad. And so for me, I

(25:04):
feel like what shocks me? Well, you know, I talk
to people about how they say they want to see
you know, some of my friends they say they are
not involved in this. They go that I really want
to see an alien, and I go, you do, do
you seriously want to see one?

Speaker 6 (25:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, I go, okay, and they go, but I don't
want to see one on like you know, in the dark.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
That would be scary, And I go, fair enough, so.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Imagine you're on your deck, if you have a deck,
and you're sitting there and you've got a nice tea,
it's noon, and you're talking, yaking away on the phone,
and you look to your left and coming around the
corner is a chimpanzee and it just pokes its head
out for a little bit and then it leaves.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
How jacked up.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Are you from having something so out of context, this
cuminoid creature, even though we've seen chimpanzees at zoos and stuff.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
It should not be there.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
And it disappears and you get up and you go
over and it's gone. That is a psychological break with reality,
you know. It's it's like, you know, John Mack, would
you know, had you know the perfect name for it?
And it's so imagine now an alien coming around the

(26:20):
corner and poking and looking at you. What the human
mind does? It's really interesting. There is a safety valve,
it's a defense mechanism. It starts to erase some of
the detail so that you can't really take it all
in because it becomes too much.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
You know. Ontological shock is what John Mack called it.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
That I'm looking for, that I'm chasing that moment where
I go, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
This is it. But I'm girding myself.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Because I don't, you know, want to have it be
something that is so you know, I think it gives
you what you can handle.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
And I've gone to sever le.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Alien abduction support groups, experience and support groups with Yvonne Smith,
her wonderful support groups, and I've been invited to go
and I've gone like three or four of these and
I've even filmed there and there's some footage of it
in Life Beyond Earth my New Duck. And I got
to tell you these people were chosen, as much as
that sounds hokey, they were chosen because they could handle

(27:23):
this information even though they went through traumatic you know,
the five degrees of you know, like a breakup of relationship.
They went through it and they came out stronger because
of it. So sorry, that was a long answer.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
No, that's a great answer. That's a great answer. And
what do we do and how do you tackle the
skeptical side of the abduction phenomenon And the reason why
I say it or ask the way that I do.
I've seen what I've seen, I've experienced. I don't know
if I've been abducted. But I've had you know, I've

(27:58):
got some crazy day and so when somebody wants to
talk about this, we need to stop and listen. It's
a very uncomfortable subject to go and speak about. And
then what happens. You have the skeptics and the debunkers
flood in on this, which is exactly the fear that

(28:19):
these experiencers have, you know, is the ridicule. So how
do you tackle that?

Speaker 3 (28:25):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I have some friends, one of them good buddy of mine,
who when I first met him at Alien Con several
years ago now, he was all in, full on, and
then it's kind of like his heart's been broken by
some people in the UFO community who have a spouse

(28:47):
that certain things are going to happen that didn't, and
instead of editorializing them out of the picture, it becomes
representative of the whole. And so I find myself having
to kind of, you know, pull him back. I've had
to be pulled back where it's like, Okay, this this
aspect of it is just such bs, I don't even
want to explore that anymore. And then I'll have, you know,

(29:10):
someone come up. Dave Foley will go Dean. Now's not
a good time to pull back. You got to get
back in it, man. And so when I've got friends
of mine or people that are skeptic, I just say,
are you open minded? And if they say yeah, but
I'm not about that, then I don't go any further.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
There's nothing to discuss. You have to have an open mind.
That's all I need.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
And then I'll walk you through what is for me
empirical evidence, you know, testimony, you know, sightings and stuff,
and what isn't and then they can decide. But I
don't want to be that person that has to convince people.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
It's not my job.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
You never will though, you never will, You.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Never will exactly. It's a fool's Errand.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, it never happened one of my This is
something I say a lot. I'm going to say it
to you because we just said it. Right. But you
can never reason anybody out of a belief system. Yeah,
you can't do it, no matter what the facts are right,

(30:15):
no matter it doesn't matter religion, politics, finance, what how
to frame a house correctly, whatever it is, doesn't matter.
You're not going to reason somebody out of a way
that they were raised and that's it. All you're doing
is cementing their belief system.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
They fortify themselves exactly, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
It is interesting how people's beliefs are a reflection of
their insecurities and fears. And what I mean by that
is the most radical beliefs that they have stem from that,
not a belief in you know certain things, you know,
good versus evil, you know, basic broad thing, but you

(31:02):
know things that are that are out there that are
super super conspiratory. Everyone I've talked to that that, I've
heard that stuff. It's I can reverse engineer it to
these moments of insecurity. And you know, it's funny you
look at all the billionaires. What are all the billionaires today,
the most wealthiest people. What are they all have in common?

Speaker 5 (31:21):
All of them they've downloaded their consciousness for after death,
have done Walt Disney, They've all been They've all frozen
their heads. Yeah yeah, and I don't know what what
did they all have in common? They were all bullied, Oh,
even even the ones that were born into trust funds.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Well probably not not to get political or anything, but
if you look at as an example, Trump, he was
he was bullied by his father. Uh you know that's well, uh,
you know documented. But I'm talking not about political figures.
I'm talking about people like Elon Musk who was bully

(32:08):
treated as a nerd. His father, the stuff that he did.
I had read his auto or his biography Bill Gates.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
I could see that with Bill Gates.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Bill Gates absolutely Steve Jobs.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
And you know, one of the best movies made by
any of these tech billionaires is Mark Zuckerberg. And Mark Zuckerberg.
You know, if you see the social network this guy was,
you know, he wanted to be accepted at Harvard, you
know the cream Billa Krum and you have these you know,
the Winklevosses, you know, treating him like he's kind of

(32:42):
nothing of other people treating him crappy his girlfriend, but
all of them, Jeff Bezos, all these guys were treated
as nerds. And you know they weren't star athletes, none
of them were.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
And so you know, they say the meek shall inherit
the earth. Maybe that's what.

Speaker 5 (33:00):
Have you seen the documentaryy Tura? Have you seen that yet?

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Tura? No?

Speaker 5 (33:09):
Yeah, yeah, the b movie Karate Queen from the fifties.
She did a faster pussy cat kill kill. She was
the stuff. Okay, yeah, Tura. So that documentary it just
came out. It's it's really really good. Just got out
of theaters. Check it out. Anyway. That was her deal too.

(33:33):
She had a rough, rough childhood, so she decided she
was going to get even and and use her co
stars as as the you know, just to get out that,
you know, just to get it out and get it
out because of the trauma that she had growing up.

(33:56):
And then you are forced into looking at your own
life and thinking about others and why do they act
like they do?

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Right? Why it's hurt. There is wounding, great wounding.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
If you look at as an example, Mackenzie Bezos, you know,
Jeff Bezos ex wife.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
What is she doing with her billions?

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Giving it away?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Giving it away?

Speaker 2 (34:21):
She doesn't have that past, She doesn't have that insecurity.
She doesn't need to build a rocket and put on
a cowboy hat and go on it and be a dick.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, it's that shape, like.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Literally a phallic similar right right, right, Yeah, she doesn't
need that.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
Yeah, it's clear. The lack of empathy. I don't know
what it's like. Uh, And I don't think you do
either either, I don't know what it's like to have
a billion dollars. Maybe you do, okay, but I don't
know what that's like.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Let's clear that, yeah, okay, right now.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Fair enough, But the lack of sympathy and compassion for
earth and for children and for people and world hunger,
they don't give a crap.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Man.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
You know, it's so easily things could be solved. And
maybe I'm being naive, maybe it can't be solved easily,
but it sure seems to me that money can fix
a lot of things and build a lot of schools
and farms and heat houses and medicine and all of
those things just with the wave of a hand. But

(35:32):
I guess I mean, do you ever ask yourself? When?
When is? When is it when you have too much money?
At what point do you just have too much? Because
I live pretty good? Okay I do, man, I live good.

(35:53):
I do. I'm not rich, but man, I don't need anything.
I don't want anything. I don't, so add a billion
dollars to where I'm at right now, I think I
could give a lot of that away.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
When you have too much? Here's when you have too much?
When you start purchasing things only because other people cannot,
which is why we have yachts. Yachts aren't that great.
They're fun for a while, but you're not going to
really live on that. You're not going to do your work,
You're not going to raise a family on a yacht.
But there's something about the big fu I have a yacht.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
When you start doing that, that's when it's time to
spread the wealth. And the thing that's funny is you
get so much more out of sharing.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
What you have with others.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I had a great spiritual teacher who told me, you know,
I would see a homeless person, I would think I
would have pity and go, oh my god, that's like,
that's so brutal. And I was part of this program.
We would go out to downtown LA and we would
feed the homeless.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Love them.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
The program is called feeding your Soul because it was
feeding your soul literally. And he would say, don't pity
these people, for all you know, this is someone that
is ten times more evolved than you and has decided
to come back under these circumstances to learn a deeper lesson,
whether it's karma, you know, being you know, paying off

(37:17):
some karma or it's them trying to feel what it's
like to have so many you know things, oppressiveness against
you and have an understanding and then going into the
next life. I always say that our existence isn't a sprint,
it's a marathon. We need to allow ourselves to go
several laps to get to something.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
We are evolving, you know, somewhere, and Buddhists believe this.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
They believe this whole experience that you and I are
involved and listeners are involved in this is all one
big school. And the good news is that all of
the people who believe in this and have kind of
passed this information on if you will, they believe we're
all going to get the finish line. We might not
get there at the same time, but we're all going
to get there. So when it comes to to kind

(38:04):
of I guess bring it back to the UFO phenomenon,
we're seeing trailers and teasers, by seeing these UFOs, by
having these interactions with these beans, to something that's.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Going to be phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
But as far as joining a galactic federation, we're we're
an zero point seven type species. We're not even a
full one. And so I don't even think that Dorman
lets us wait in line to get into the Galactic
Federation Club, you know, no, all of us.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
That's that velvet rope is staying locked. Yeah, yeah, staying locked. No,
you're right about that, though. I don't even think we're
point oh seven if that's what you said, or point seven.
We're way below that. Zero point seven, yeah, zero point
seven because my, uh my neighbors across the street just

(38:52):
installed solar that's on their house, not around the sun. Right,
you follow what I'm saying. That's we're still working on that.
We're not we're not harnessing the true power of the
sun yet, I have no idea not doing it right. Yeah,
that's true too.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
They literally had the panels around the outside on the roof.

Speaker 7 (39:12):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Well, but my point being, uh, if we go with
Michio Kaku's version of this and others too as well,
to fully harness the power of our sun versus where
we are right now on trailer park Earth, you know

(39:33):
what I mean, It's that's a ways out. Yet, that's
a ways out. I what do you? Okay, this is
a great turning point. I wanted to I wanted to
get here. One of the things that I talk about
a lot is how do we gauge what an advanced
alien species are are doing. We only have an example

(39:57):
of one us, So what are we doing what from
their perspective? Look at our perspective first, and our perspective
is we have the James Web, we have tests, we
have Hubble. We're looking at and searching for exoplanets and
looking into their atmospheres. We can get out there a
pretty good distance. But what we are doing is we

(40:17):
are looking for stuff out there, alien life, evidence of that.
We want to know these things scientifically, not what you
and I have seen in the skies, but that's where
we are on an evolutionary scale. Et from their perspective
has to be doing the exact same thing. And if

(40:39):
they are more advanced than us, then they thousands and
thousands of civilizations know about planet Earth. How do we
teach people to switch around their perspective from our view
to the alien's view looking back?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
All right, there's a couple of ways I believe we
can do that, and we explore this in the documentaries
and other aspects of it. We can do it by,
I would say, primitively, by looking at the species that
we are more evolved than ourselves and seeing where we
came from reverse engineering, which is really weird because you

(41:21):
know we come from whether whatever your belief is. We
have fossils that appear to show that we came from
the sledge and here we are, you know, millions of
years later, and you know we're headed. But with technology
being where it's at, technology has surpassed our ability, our
emotional evolution.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
And so when you look down.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
At us and you see that what we are, which
is we're still having wars, we're still having borders. We're
still basically saying these people are good, these people aren't,
and saying with the whole swath of people, whether it's
where they're from, religion, color, et cetera, we're still doing that.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
This is extremely unproductive. This is not taking.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Everyone making sure that everyone is set up, everyone is
all good to go. Once we do that where we
look at someone and we go, oh, that person is
an extension of me. When we get to that place
and we've all collectively gone there, we will be doing
things like.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Going to Mars no problem.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
We will be doing things like going off planet, and
we will figure out at some point how to go
faster than the speed of light, our full time or
change our matter where we are here and relocate you know,
somewhere else. That is going to happen. But we have
to go through this stage. And so when I think

(42:47):
of an advanced species, I think they've already.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Gone through that. I don't think that they came out
fully formed and like, oh we have this in great enlightenment.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I think that they had to go through that, and
so the good news is is that they survive that.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
Right, Well, isn't that the ultimate question for et? How
did you guys do it?

Speaker 3 (43:05):
How did you do that?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Which, yeah, contact it was something that that Segan was
wrestling with.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
But I think that's an indicator that they can do that.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
So when they look at us, I think their perspective
on us is, oh, they're in kindergarten.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
They're still working it out.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Hopefully they don't blow themselves up, and they, you know,
join us. But but this is part of our schooling.
You don't learn anything, you know this, You don't learn
anything from your successes. You learn from those things that
are your weaknesses, things that you need to work on,
stumbling things, examples. Those are the things that we learn.
Those are the things that are ingrain and shore us

(43:44):
up to continue, you know, advancing. So we have to
allow ourselves. I keep budding against people that are very impatient.
The aliens need to come down now, we need to
join the brotherhood, this and that, And I say, I
think they are selectively with with like you want to
go to you a conventions. I look and I see
a lot of open minded people who do care what
other people are doing and how they're getting along. Right,

(44:06):
I would say that that's a predominant trait that I
hope is there. But again it's you know, it's it's lame,
but it's the old thing. We're only as strong as
our weakest link. And until we work that crap out,
we are still going to be a planet that is
too dangerous. Not to mention, what do we do with

(44:26):
our celebrities. We bundle them up, we hold them up,
We put them up on a pedestal, and at some
point someone goes eh, and they push the pedestal down
and they topple them, and we relish it, and we
relish it yes, and then we give them another shot
later on, and then we knocks.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
It's a crazy vicious cycle. So for them.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
I think their perspective on us is that they do
see the potential. They do see that love. I mean,
my dog, I'm gonna drop a plug for my daughter's boyfriend.
He's in the band Lord here On and we went
to a stadium to see him play. And I'm looking
at all these people and he's up there, you know,

(45:13):
playing the guitar, doing background vocals. And I'm looking at
and I've known this guy since he was a kid,
you know, in high school.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
You told me about this, We talked about this. We yeah, continue,
it's coming back. This is a wonderful finish. I remember,
I remember this.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
So I'm looking at there at everyone puts up their
phones and they're not using it for this. They're doing
the light you know, like the lighters. And I'm looking
at this is at the LA Forum, the Kia Theater,
and you know that, you know it, you know it
really well. And I'm panning my camera going across all
of this everyone, and I'm and I'm nudging my girlfriend partner, Ali,

(45:51):
and I'm going look and my daughter Ruby, look at.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
All these people.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
They're all smiling and taking this experience in because I
believe when you're singing your expressing your soul, and there's
nothing more tender. What makes me cry is a really
good voice.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
I'm a baby. I just like lose it.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
And I'm looking all these people and I have a
documented and they're all just smiling and taking this in
like a meditation, and I go, that is humanity at
its best. Or when there's a crisis and people are
doing the assembly line of getting rice out and everything,
that is humanity, and we have that as much as
we have the ugly parts.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
So I don't know where I went with their No.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
I often think about the metaphor is always laid out
from the people with PhDs that ET would look at
us like bacteria. You know, what could they teach us?
Could we? Or do we ponder looking down at an

(46:55):
ant farm, going okay, you guys ready for the internet?
Well you can't do that right, And that comparison is
always made, but it's a good one. Would what could
we understand if you ask ET, okay, we want the
technology of hell you're traveling faster than the speed of light,

(47:19):
give it to us. Do you honestly think that we
could understand that at our level of things, whatever that
may be. I don't I'm not so sure that we
would understand.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
So, yeah, first of all, anti gravity, which is what
they're using, I mean, that's the basis. However, they're getting
them to move back and forth up and right. I
think they're skipping time myself, because it makes sense that
they could go from here to this.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
So they're moving inside their craft.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
At the same speed, which is this gliding speed, but
they're they're relocating. In my opinion, anti gravity can be
weaponized and we can be taking people that we don't
like and send them off the planet and countries. So
that's not good. So we're not ready to really understand that. Emotionally,
temperamentally wise, we're not We're not able to handle that.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
So with regards to that specific question, could we understand
that we have to be in a different frame of
mind to understand that. I mean I went to UH
I've been to m I T and and and cal
Tech and and talk to some of the professors there,
and it's it's like they're on the spectrum where they
can understand things like doctor Diana Powell with the telepathy tapes,

(48:34):
they are understanding things that that we can't comprehend.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
But but a sign.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Of of of a of a a good teacher, which
I think these beings are, is the ability to be
able to communicate that lesson to be able to help
them achieve that. Doctor Mitchell Calcu says in the second
documentary Life Being on Earth. He says, I don't think
that they would waste their time with us aliens. I

(49:01):
think that they would look upon us as ants and
maybe even step on us if they wanted to. And
then you cut to Dave Foley's bite and he's saying, yeah,
I don't think that's true because we have entomologists, so
it's not a good equation. So we should tell all
those people, why are you bothering with ants?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
They can't talk back to you. They're learning from us, I.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Believe, maybe not as much as we could learn from them,
but they're definitely learning from us. I believe that it's
this two way thing. Otherwise they wouldn't swing by and
do drive bys and stuff.

Speaker 5 (49:30):
Well, for sure, this is a beautiful blue planet. Of
course they would want to visit and check us out
just for a scientific investigation only. That would make a
lot of sense. But here's my Pandora's box though, this
is my Pandora's box. Those good folks at cal Tech

(49:52):
and MIT and Stanford and wherever you want to point
right Harvard, they operate in the current laws of physics
box right, and if it if it violates that, then no,
that's the answer, right, No, violate all laws. Okay, so

(50:12):
they stay they stay right there. If it comes down
to et going, look, this is how we do it.
We think about it. Our consciousness opens up a wormhole
and we cross a galaxy like that. Now do we

(50:35):
have that tech? No, we don't. Will we have that tech?
We have to evolve into that. But what if it's
something like that that is beyond numbers and beyond equations
and beyond what science wants to study, which is consciousness.
It could be something as fundamental as that, right, I.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Endorse that it is when you think about where technology
is gone. It comes from having spokes, right, and engines
and combustible all this stuff, and then you get to
a point where you're doing solid state, where everything is
almost one piece.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
It is.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I think it is as simple as and and experiences
have confirmed this is as simple as manifesting, believing, wanting.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
To do stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
People talk about how these craft operate and a lot
of them say it's telepathic.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
I think that the mind and again, these experiencers, I
keep going there.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
My next documentary is all about experiences, so I'm in
the thick of it. But I keep going to the
fact that that when experiencers are with the beings, they
always for the next week or two have heavy, heavy
telepathy side effects where they'll walk by someone and they'll

(51:56):
have this weird feeling of oh wow, this person's grandfather
is dying, or their sisters dying.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
It stays with them for a little bit, but it's
interesting how it doesn't sustain. And so I think it's
something that when you look at how molecules are in
matter is I think that it is a leap that
we can't intellectually get there yet. So I'm endorsing what
you're saying. I think that we're not quite there yet
some of us, and I think there is a portion

(52:22):
of people that maybe could handle it. But again it's again,
it's like giving you a child a gun or a
computer who's three years old, two years old these days,
because they're on it when they're one and saying can
you build me a software program? They will eventually understand that, right,
but not at that moment. And so when I think

(52:43):
about their technology as a fictional sci fi writer, I
love to think that it's something that is a connection.
Like when you yell at water crystals, how they've been
able to see that you do that, you send it,
you know, negative energy, it becomes this grotesque, fractured thing,

(53:03):
and then when you send it love, it becomes this
beautiful thing that's quantifiable. So we haven't even tapped into
the power of the soul and positive thinking.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
And I'm not talking about the secret.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I'm talking about being able to to manipulate things that
are outside of you.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
And so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I just feel like we will understand that when we
let go of everything else that we've learned. You know,
sometimes you have to unlearn things. We have so much
crep to unlearn. I don't know how we make that
space right now.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
So we've got ourselves so buried now. But in here's
here's the crazy part. I don't like to agree with
my guests. I like to argue with them so we
can elevate the conversation. You know what I'm saying, you know, yeah,
mix it up. And but I have to agree with
you here. But but but right, there's a butt. But

(54:03):
but there, there's a serious butt there, and and that
is the the world of science. Will not touch consciousness,
will not discuss physicism. No, no, it is the most agnostic, atheist, nonspiritual.

(54:23):
Everything is chemistry and numbers. Right, that's the world they
live in. And there's nothing to nothing to see here
because they can't measure it. They don't want to talk
about it all right.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
But.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
They will tell you that if you look at a particle,
you can change its state by observing it. It's like,
what kind of what kind of bullshit is that you
can't have it both ways? Right? You are talking more
woo than the woo wooest of my woo woo friends
by saying that, and you're telling me, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Right, is using a jargon that fits for them that
they can look at it and go, okay, that's safe
now for me to go there.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
I laugh my ass off when I when I.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Talk to some of my buddies that are professors and
they'll say, no, no, no, that's just not possible. And
it's like, no, you don't know what isn't possible? Even
Einstein allowed for things spooky science, it's it cracks me up,
the hubris of it, and we have broken recently, we've
found ways to expound on physics. So the component that

(55:30):
I keep going to, maybe it's it's it's next level
or too esoteric, is that we have within us the
ability to do things to change things that we don't
tap into. And until until science becomes holistic, it's always
going to be this against that because the rules are

(55:52):
set up there. Unless I can repeat this experiment in
a lab, it doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
It's not real. And in the meantime, I'm we're on
this planet.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Something insane is being done right now, no problem, and
no one's having to go through and certify it or
get it published in order for it to be real.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
Right before you and I were at a conference, and
right before you came up and had breakfast with us.
Right before that, I wish you were there because this
is exactly what we're talking about. A friend of mine
comes up. You know, I don't want to name names
or anything, but you know who this person is. And

(56:29):
Professor he comes up and he goes so Jimmy, and
he's got this friend with him. I want you to
meet blah blah blah blah blah, theoretical physicist from blah
blah blah. I said, oh, okay, all right, it's good
to meet you. And I said, hey, Man, I have
a question. He goes, look, man, I'm only doing this
because of him. I'm not going to talk to you.

(56:50):
And I go, well, I'm interested in science. Here he goes, man,
I swear, Dean, I'm not. This is not metaphor. Okay,
he said, I have a career path, I'm going places,
I have funding to consider it, and I'm not going
to talk to you about anything, especially UFOs. I go, wow,

(57:16):
holy crap. And and I don't want to say that
he was angry, but he was coming off that way.
I don't know his personality, you know, maybe he's just
that way. I don't want to suggest anything, but it
was the way that I was shut down because I
even I said, man, no, I'm interested in in the
James Web and the expansion of the universe. And man,

(57:38):
I love these conversation. I'm not going to talk to you.
I was like, wow, oh, man, you said.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Did you hear the one about the two bigfoots that
go into a.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Bar with the alien?

Speaker 5 (57:50):
This is gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
No, it's it's you'll you'll, Yeah, you get that a lot.
In fact, when we did so in the Only Perspective,
Part one, and it's carried over in Life Beyond Earth.
We have some material that's exotic material, and we have
it analyzed and we do a Pepsi challenge, which is
we don't tell the professor at Caltech what it is.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
We just have him go and analyze that. We had
three samples.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Nice, and so I didn't look for someone who was
already embedded in the UFO community, already interested. I wanted
someone who did one thing and one thing only, because
there's a lot of professors out there who do all
these different things that don't really relate to metals, and they,
you know, give their opinion because they have somebody whatever.
This guy, all he does is look at extraterrestrial material.

(58:41):
He looks at comets, asteroids. That's all he does, is
he analyzes material.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
In the rocks.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Yeah, yeah, Yes, he's a pioneer in this field and
has been able to date them where others cannot to
their origin. And for me, that is what I want.
I want someone who doesn't believe in this stuff. Sometimes
in the intellectual you know, in the conversation.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I want them to come in and say, here's what
I know, here's what I know is possible? What is it?

Speaker 2 (59:11):
And then I like to say what if, what if
this could happen? What if this could how would that go?
And all of a sudden, you see the little kind
of kidnem the imagination get sparked again because they're not
just referencing something that's been cataloged.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
And this guy, I mean it's for him, that's right.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
He's threatened by that because he doesn't want to be controversial.
He's got his path and that's more important to him.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Good luck.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
But at some point I see a lot of these
people that will come to these conventions and stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
They're being dragged.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
They start to have a change of heart, and they'll
get to retirement age or tenure, you know, like John
Mack did, or again Michael Masters, where it's like, no, no, no,
I'm doing this.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
I don't give a crap anymore. This is of interest
to me. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:55):
Lenny, Lenny Suskin did the same thing as he you know,
he got up and and he said this famous quote,
I love it. This presentation. He goes all right, what
does a theoretical physicist do? As he moves on from tenure,

(01:00:18):
he starts talking about time travel. And that's what I'm
going to do tonight. You know, he said, you can
tell when they're getting up there right where, they just
don't care anymore. These are the real things that interest them.
They haven't been able to talk about, you know, what
creationism or you know, is everything determined or is it

(01:00:40):
all math? Or is there something else going on? Is
there a spiritual component to this? What is consciousness? What
happens after we die? You know, where does it come from?
These are things that everybody thinks about. You don't talk
about them. You know, it's a big difference. Dean, stay
right there, we're going to take our break. I guess

(01:01:00):
tonight Dean Alioto is with us tonight. He's got two
films out, two documentaries those are out, and of course
he's got the mcpheerson tapes, which is, uh, do we
call that found footage? Is that is that the genre?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Yeah, it's it's it's been labeled as the first found
footage film. I made it ten years before Blair Witch
and the Footage. I guess it was meant to look
like it was found so I guess by definition, You're right,
it's found footage.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
You're you're you're the founder of found Footage. We'll be
right back after this shortbreak.

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I am off shooting beyond belief in TV production for
the next few days. All right, so short week, but
a great week because tonight we have Dean Alioto with
us filmmaker, director and an actor sometimes too as well.

(01:07:40):
So Dean, I am not somebody that's on here every
night speculating about what's going on in the skies. I
have seen what I have seen, and that has put
me on a path to finding answers. I've seen extraordinary things.

(01:08:03):
Have you Have you seen something extraordinary that you can't explain?

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
I've seen two things I don't. I'm very The metric
that I hold for seeing something is I think maybe
more stern, because I'm harder on myself than you know.
Maybe others that have had you know that have footage
of things that I've seen that I've done. Wow, that's insane.
One of them was Silverlake, walking around silver Lake. It

(01:08:30):
was funny. I had just been invited to come and
speak at the International UFO Congress Convention, where the McPherson
tape had played twenty five years before then with the
credits edited out and was being reported to be purported
to be actual footage of a family being abducted, and
it was believed and everything else. I was invited to

(01:08:51):
go back, and I swear to God. Two days later
after I was invited.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
I'm walking along the reservoir and I look up an
alley and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
I see the this metallic, almost diamond shaped object, and
I videotaped it way in the distance, zipping around like
it would be here, go like this and then disappear
and then pop up over here. And I'm and I'm
looking at this, and I'm, you know, gut checking it
with Ali and saying, you seeing that, and she goes, yeah,

(01:09:19):
but it's so far away, and even with my video
zooming in, I can't really get a fix on that.
But if you go to my YouTube channel Dean Alliot, oh,
you can actually see the footage and I've done little
ring around so you can track it and I and
I invite people to comment on it, and a lot
of people said, well, it's birds.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Birds aren't grayish metallic that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
So the other thing that I saw, and that went
on for like four minutes. The other thing I saw
was in November. I was looking out my window here
and I saw something which is something that I use sometimes,
which is drones to get great overhead aerial shots of
action scenes that I'm you know, filming. And I look
at it and I go, oh, there's a drone there. Oh,

(01:10:04):
there's two drones that looks like three and four seven
drones over Silver Lake and just beyond flying in the sky.
When I got my camera right away, it's like, okay,
you know, but the drone flap hasn't happened yet. I
just see that there's got a bunch of drones out there,
and I'm like, is someone teaching people how to fly drones?

(01:10:28):
Because you only need one maybe two at the most.
But they're getting super bright and then going off, super
bright and going off, and I'm looking at this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
You can hear my commentary. I posted them on TikTok
you can.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I mean literally, it's a four minute clip and I
broke it up into like three clips. But it gets
weirder the more I'm looking at it, and at some
point I go back inside and it continues, and then
the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Drone flap happens. And so I did not put any
special on this.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
I thought it was some prosaic thing, and it wasn't
until the drone flap happened that I went hold on
and I looked at the footage and it had this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
Whole new meaning.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Now, whether I'm putting that meaning on it because of
the association of the Jersey drones right, which I'm sure
is a factor, but I've showed it to other people,
and all of them are like, it can't be helicopters
because they can't fly that close together, and some of
them would get bright and then completely like go out
and come back. So those are the two things that
I've witnessed. I almost wanted to say that I've been

(01:11:31):
allowed to witness.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
Right right right. A couple of years ago, something similar
happened to me. I live out here in Palmdale next
to skunk Works, and they're strange stuff all the time.

Speaker 7 (01:11:44):
I was.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
At the Love Ride yesterday and I'm with a group
of friends that I ride with, and they're wonderful from
Annealo Valley, Harley Davidson and the husbands and wives, and
so we're there at the love Ride and they didn't
know what I do. A couple people do, but you know,

(01:12:06):
it's not like I walk around going this is what
I don't. But somebody says something to one of the wives,
and the next thing you know, Dean, we're sitting there.
It's like, I don't know half a dozen of the
wives and I is sitting in the grass talking about
what happens in Palmdale and they It was just interesting

(01:12:29):
to me to get this feedback from them about the
craziness out here. Well, about two years ago, year and
a half ago, we were in the middle of another
annual meteor shower and I went outside. I have a
two story house, so the second floor, off of my bedroom,
I have a balcony right sliding glass doors. I have

(01:12:50):
a chair out there, night vision and telescopes and stuff,
and so it's after special. Oh man, you have no idea.
You got to come out here. Man, it's great. So
we're neighbors, so come on out. So I go out
there to look at the meteor shower, which I'm seeing
in the sky. But right in front of me is
skunk Works. I'm gonna change my camera. Right in front

(01:13:11):
of me is skunk Works. And above skunk Works is
this white thing doing this right above sky. But I'm
looking for the meteors and this thing is there, but
I wasn't. I thought it was a helicopter and it
was white, not high thousand feet off the ground right,

(01:13:34):
and it's doing this and zig zagging, but staying in
this box right above skunk Works. And as I'm watching,
it's quiet. I'm listening. Now Now it's got my attention,
and I'm listening for a helicopter blades or something. And
it's quiet, it's not far away, it's a mile away.

(01:13:56):
And then it comes right over my house. It just
stops it's pattern and comes right over my head. And
I'm looking straight up at it underneath it a thousand
feet above me, five hundred feet a thousand feet, and
it's three lights white that are strobing really fast, like

(01:14:17):
Studio fifty six in New York. Right, it's like at
disco lights in the seventies. Yeah, right, you've been there.
So But and I'm looking right up underneath. I couldn't
see a shape. But the three lights are always going
to be a triangle, right, there's three. If it's four,
it could be a square. But it's three. Look silent.

(01:14:38):
And then I watch it go back and do its thing.
Now I got bored. I didn't even shoot a video.
I went in the house watch this thing for like
twenty minutes, maybe a half an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
And now.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
That was something being tested over at Skunkworks. I'm convinced
of that. Right, it's some technology. But if that was
over any city in the United States, people would lose
their minds, you know what I mean. It was crazy.
I saw the tech myself, and it was dead silent

(01:15:12):
when it was above me fifty feet maybe across, I
can't judge. I don't really know, but it was big,
you know. Wasn't a little commercial drone or something quad copper.
This was something very big. And I would say that
the lights that I was seeing might have been its engine,

(01:15:35):
its propulsion system. I don't know. I don't have a clue.
I don't have any insight on this, but just imagine
that mixed into what was going on in New Jersey
or over Vandenberg or what have you. People don't know
what they're looking at. If I don't, what's Joe Citizen
going to think?

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Can I ask you a question? Sure, so you look
at this thing?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Do you have any sense at all that it's looking
at you?

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
Yes, that's exactly a great queste Dean. You should make films?
You should?

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
You should? I should look at it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
Shit, man, Let me tell you why. That's a great question.
Because as I was watching it do its thing right
in its pattern, right, that thing stopped and came right
over my house, didn't go to my name, didn't go
didn't go right right over, just right up. I was

(01:16:37):
like it it flew over to me, you know, and
I really I took a lot away from that. I
had called Dolan. I had Dolan on the show later
on that week, but I told him all about it,
and he asked me the same thing. Was it for you? I?

(01:16:58):
I don't know if that was a cool incidents? You know,
why did it fly over? Did it fly over because
they knew where my house was and it was Lockheed
and they wanted to show me their shit. Yeah that's possible.
Is it something else? It was there a conscious connection? Possibly?
I don't know, but it flew right. I'm talking about straight. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Well, well, it's interesting because when you listen to Commander
Fraverer talk about the first time he sees the tic TAC,
you know, when it's over the water and it's got
that that submerged object is underneath it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
He says it turned and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Looked directly at him. He's saying that a craft is
looking at him. He's not saying it turned and was
facing in my direction.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
It looked at me.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Why would he say that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
It's right?

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
Yeah, it's such a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Great it was are there's a consciousness that's going on there.
When Dave Foley was with Jeremy Corbel. I believe this
is Jeremy's first time as well. Dave Foley had never
seen a UFO, and Dave made the comment joking jokingly,
he said, go tonight, it's so beautiful. It would be

(01:18:18):
really great to see. This would be the perfect time
to see a UFO. And literally within thirty seconds, Jeremy says, Dave,
take a look behind you and they look up and
they see this thing. Now you go, oh, well, why
the hell didn't Jeremy pull out his phone.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
He's a documentary you know, he's a filmmaker. Why don't
you do that. It wasn't for that, it was for them,
and Dave felt like it was kind of letting them know, no,
here's some validation. This is this is real.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Continue going and you're on, you know, whatever your path
you should be on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:49):
But here's a little acknowledgment. I hadn't gotten as blatant
as that. But I did talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Yvonne Smith because these documentaries and I have two more
coming out, and I don't know if there's going to
be another documentary after this, because it literally it's been
eight years. It was supposed to be nine months, fifteen interviews.
It's sixty seven interviews. Yeah, you're laughing because you've heard
this story many times. You get stuck in the rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Eight years, five countries, sixty seven interviews. And when I'm
editing the footage.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
I am having this experience and Ali can see it
from the other side of the room.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
My eyelids are flickering. And I only get that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
When i'm doing, you know, like when I've meditated in
the past, when I'm going to like a meditation retreat
with you know, someone who's really powerful, and I'm getting
that it's too much energy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
It's coming through. But I say to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Yvonne, I go, Yvonne, why am I making these documentaries.
I know that I'm interested in this, but it is
taking up my life, funding everything. I'm doing things that
I've never done as a filmmaker before, which is extremely satisfying.
But why I've come through my past, I have no
missing time that I'm aware of.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
I haven't really seen, you know, had that big experience.
And she laughs at me and looks at me like
I'm an idiot, which is fine.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
That's famous last words, man. I used to say the
exact same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
And she goes she goes, Dean, they don't have to
knock on your door to get to you. And so
I feel like I'm kind of you know, people talk
about the muse and before Socrates and everything. They would
say if someone was was, you know, writing a great
play or singing a great song or poem, they'd say.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
What great newses they have? Well, this is all they're doing.
I feel like I'm kind of in a sidecar.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
I'm just my goal is to shut the hell up
and to push buttons and get things where they can.
And so I feel like I'm being of service to
something that you know, hasn't shown up at my door yet,
but is showing up.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
In my you know, my creativity and my mind. I
guess I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
I was out. This is probably ten years ago, and
I'm out in a rented cabin in twenty nine Palms
Joshua Tree, out in the middle of the desert, right
way way way out there, and we're having a party.
And I've got about fifteen or twenty people there, and

(01:21:20):
two people that you probably know, Steve Morillo and Alex Mstretta,
are there and we're out on the patio stack of
Pizza's beer, tequila shot, you know, all that stuff's going down,
and it's about ten o'clock at night, and somebody says, hey, man,
wouldn't be cool if we saw Ufo Dean at that

(01:21:45):
moment from the desert floor a couple of hundred yards away,
this white ball of light goes into the stars and
we're all standing there like WTF right, like for real?
Like that was on Q and we're all, you know,

(01:22:09):
it's like what now. I don't care what I sound
like because I know it sounds crazy. It's batshit crazy,
I realized. But it happened, right, It happened on QUE.
So that's why I'm on this show talking to you

(01:22:30):
when stuff like this happens over and over again. Sure
I want answers, but it's because of that that I
am pursuing this. I know that there is something going on.
I don't know what it is specifically, but that happened,
and you have to back up and go. Somebody winked

(01:22:51):
at us, you know, somebody felt the vibrations come out.
Would it be cool if we saw Ufo? Well? Yeah,
how about this?

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Do you feel that I keep getting the sense that
that whatever intelligence this is, that it hasn't an amazing
sense of humor.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
And I and I feel like it's also playful.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
People talk about that, how they say the craft looks
like it was playing with the jet, going around and
doing all this stuff. And so when I hear that,
when you guys say that, and when you know Foley
said that and it shows.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Up, I think it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
I think it must take I'd like to believe this anyway,
that I must take joy in that. It must have
enjoyed being acknowledged and validating that for you guys, and
creating that little show for you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
It's like, you know what you have.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
To but that's such a great point, Like you and
silver Lake? Was that for you? What was there reports
on k t l A about triangle metallic objects over
silver Lake? I can tell you right now there wasn't,
but you saw it. Silverlake the heart of Los Angeles.

(01:24:02):
You have around your home, around that hill, which is beautiful,
by the way, I love that neighborhood. Getting a little gentrified,
but there was a day when it was pretty. Yeah, Bacchanallian,
you know it was pretty. But anyway, there are millions
of people there, millions, right, And how one would have

(01:24:24):
to deduce that maybe it was just for you. Steve Marillo,
fighter pilot, Navy Naval Academy graduate, smart guy, successful. I
really admire him and his intelligence, but that's son of

(01:24:44):
a bitch. Every time I was around him, something crazy
would happen. And he's so smart and so intelligent and
carries himself and I filmed him hang gliding, jumping off
of cliffs. He is just an amazing you know, just
super smart, but always crazy stuff happening with this guy.

(01:25:04):
And I he said to me once, this is the laugh, laughing,
playful thing. Let me ask you about this. He goes, okay, so, Jimmy,
let's communicate with lasers. I go what He goes? Right there,
that that thing that we're looking at at the Big
Dipper watch this And I'm sitting there, I'm We're with

(01:25:25):
a bunch of people and I'm watching Steve. And he
goes boom and it goes boom back. Oh okay, all right.
Then he goes boom boop and that freaking thing goes
boom boom back.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Boot boom, boom, boom boom.

Speaker 5 (01:25:45):
I was like, you've gotta be kidding me. This is fun,
you know, it's a paradigm shift. But what do you
make of that? You know? Is that? Is that them
just playing like dolphins?

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
That's the third act of Close Encounters, isn't it hit
a few notes and it hits a few notes back.
It's a volley. It's a volley. That's that's going on that.
I it's so weird because i've i've last time I
had COVID, I I hit on this idea for some

(01:26:20):
reason of a sequel to Close Encounters of the third kind,
and I actually wrote it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
I wrote a sequel to Close Encounters unspec just my
own thing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
And and and in doing that, I started doing this
research on the first one, and I read Bob Balaban's
diary that he kept. I read all these books that
I could on it, and I've seen the movie countless times.
And and everyone likes to say, well, he got all
that information from uh j Aalen Heinek, which she did

(01:26:51):
get a bulk.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
I mean, the name of it came from his heinez book.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
But there were intuitive things that were going on, the
musicality thing going back and forth, how they would do
that math and science that was kind of inventive.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Again, he was being used.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
I think, you know, Spielber's got a new UFO film
that's going to be coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Yes, I cannot wait.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
I think it's Disclosure too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Yeah, that's still working title, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
It's it's I think.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
What's what's going on is that there is this call
and response thing and I feel like that is going
to continue going and we're going to get closer and closer.
But sometimes it does this for a reason. A good
buddy of mine who I had helped him doing color
grading on his documentary. He does these great documentaries, Indian

(01:27:46):
documentary filmmaker. He would make fun of me, you know
you're doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Why are you doing this? Dog doing UFOs? You really
believe in that crap?

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
And I'm like, well, yeah, I'm curious, absolutely, and that
I and talked to him for like, I don't know,
a year, and he calls me up and he or
he texts me. He says, hey, dude, can we talk,
which was never it was never the tone that he
would ever take. And I go, of course, yeah, what's up?
And he goes and he calls me. He says I

(01:28:15):
saw something and right away I'm like, got him, yes,
right right, got him?

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
And he says it was four am. I was moving.
I looked out the balcony the new apartment that I
moved into. It's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
This conversations, many mentions of balconies. That's the theme here.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
He's looking out and he sees this metallic shape.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
At night, early in the morning, and it's moving along
and it's got this blue light around it. He says,
it's gliding, and it's about maybe he's going to say,
one hundred yards away from him, pretty close, and it's
moving along no sound at all, and then at some
point the blue flame light encompasses the theme and it

(01:28:57):
takes off like it smeared the sky. And I said,
oh man, I'm so envious. Good for you, and he goes, no, no, Dean,
not good for me. I'm jacked up. That should not exist,
he says. I. I'm I'm thinking about going to therapy
like it it it was ontological.

Speaker 5 (01:29:17):
Shock and paradigm shift. It changes your life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Yeah, right right, And so I'm already kind of halfway there.
So maybe I don't need a demonstration. Maybe that's what's
going on, but I want more.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
You know, when we were.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Looking at the at the silver metallic thing, silver, like
I said to Ali, I go babe go home and
get the binoculars.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
And she's like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
I don't want to leave. I want to continue watching it.
And I go, yeah, but I'm the UFO guy, so
I can't go. Can you go get them? It was
a standoff and I was going to say, you go
do this. She would laugh at me. But it was
more of it was for this moment. And so these moments,
it's that we get with them, are you know, we

(01:30:02):
should cherish those moments. But there was something that within
that I wanted to come back to, which is and
and you were talking about earlier, you know, what is
the commonality that we have with these beings? We can't
intellectually comprehend the science of technology, but what is it
that we have that we share and is the reason why.

Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
Possibly they show up? DNA curiosity? Well, okay, curiosity.

Speaker 5 (01:30:36):
It's woven into our DNA. Yes, no, I agree, I agree,
I agree. There are so many things that are when
when I say fundamental, that that are basic and DNA
and RNA is just one of those things. Particles, atoms, things,
molecules that make up everything from the stars all the

(01:31:00):
way to you and I, Well, these are the common
factors with with E T two as well, so woven
into that DNA are the same type. Like we mentioned
earlier in the show, we have an example of one us.
All right, So whatever we are doing E T would

(01:31:20):
have had to have done it, is doing it and
will continue to do it. It's that's it. So curiosity
absolutely we get.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
We don't get any advancements.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Without curiosity, we get zero. It's not like it all
of a sudden hits us. And you know, people talk
about fire, how man discovered fire.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
No, man did not.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
There was a lightning strike that happened. They saw it
and apparently in the book Sapiens, we've had it, found
it and then lost it and found it again. It
wasn't until we were able to recreate it did we
have it. But we never like all of a sudden
rubbed two sticks and go oh.

Speaker 5 (01:31:57):
And figured it out. Yeaheah, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
It was, you know, just part of the chemistry that came.
But we are four billion years our planet's four billion
years late to the game. So, as Mitchello says, they
don't have to be one hundred years older than us.
They can be thousands, they can be millions, possibly a billion,
so you know, we're looking at at our future because
we could get there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
So I think that you.

Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
Remember the look at it? Do you remember the movie
Quest for Fire? Yeah, yeah, that's exactly yeah, right on
Chong Man and uh, that's exactly it. That that movie
changed me a lot really well when you really think
about it. You know the basic thing like you just

(01:32:45):
mentioned fire, right, we don't consider if you remember in
the movie, right, So, all he's trying to do is
keep this thing alive. Right, he's got the body, Yeah, yeah,
that's right, and and the flames in there. Remember when
he's sinking in the quicksand and he's holding it right,
keep the fire. And then they come up over the

(01:33:06):
hill and they come to Raydon Chong's tribe and all
they got is fire. Remember that, Remember that it's everything
He and having a heart attack. He's having heart It
is like what and they're just like right, cooking meat. Right. Yeah,
it's such a It really changed my perspective on things.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Now, let you never know what people are packing.

Speaker 5 (01:33:33):
The I about to go back to your point. Steve
Marillo also came from this very pragmatic background fighter pilot
went to work for TRW Systems. After he got out
of the Marines, he learned to be a pilot at
the Naval Academy, then went into the Marines and became

(01:33:55):
a marine fighter pilot. Right, never saw UFO, Okay, it
didn't nothing in his mind. He's on his rooftop in
his hot tub in Marina del Rey, Hermosa Beach, you
know that area right down there. Yeah, he's got a
nice place, and he's up on his roof. If you

(01:34:17):
have a home on the beach in Hermosa and you
have a hot tub on the roof, life is pretty
damn good. Okay. So Steve, Steve's up there, and he
sends his wife Pat who's lovely, down to get another
bottle of wine or a bottle of wine. So he's
sitting up in his hot tub and he's facing west

(01:34:39):
over the Pacific Ocean, and a group, a formation of
black triangles, starts coming at him from the ocean and
he sees the black dots. He doesn't know what they are,
but he's just sitting there in his hot dub right sunset,
and they fly right over his house and they break

(01:34:59):
off formation. He said, dude, it was a formation of
black triangles. And I get out of the hot tub.
I said, forget the wine, honey, right, I've got to
check this out. And he ended up going to a
Moufon meeting because he's searching UFOs online, Mofon comes up.

(01:35:20):
But that's what got him onto his journey where he
had that paradigm shift. You know, when you're a fighter pilot,
you are trained, you know every aircraft in the world.
That's your job, right, that's your job. And he sees
this and he doesn't know what he's looking at, and
that's the paradigm shift that I think has brought so

(01:35:41):
many into this community. And when you have it for
the first time, when you're not expecting it, that's a
game changer, man. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
And so the question becomes, why why are these people
having these, you know, catalyst moments.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
What is the purpose of this, because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
I mean, I remember when ET came out our close Encounters.
I remember going, Okay, now's the time for the for
the craft, the UFO to land in the White House
because they're being represented as being these these superior but
yet benevolent beings except for dragging little Gary Guffey out

(01:36:23):
the doggy door. But now would be the time we
could we can maybe handle that, not in the fifties
where all the UFOs had aliens that were here to
destroy the planet and everything and had five million eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
But it doesn't. It hasn't happened.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
It's happened for a lot of people personally privately, but
it really hasn't happened to the extent of everyone. And
again we have to kind of say, Okay, what's that
play here? And so sometimes it's the absence of evidence,
of the absence of of things that we want to

(01:36:59):
see that is playing a bigger role than what we see.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (01:37:03):
Well, case in point is like three I Atlas. And
the reason why I bring that up in this in
this context is that here we have something, uh, we
don't know what it is. It's it's hauling balls right interstellar.

(01:37:24):
We have eight billion people on this planet that are
probably aware of it. The media has done a really
good job in social media right keeping this thing out
out front. Everybody wants this to be et. There isn't
anybody that wants that to be a comet. Yeah, you
know what I mean that that's why we're in a

(01:37:44):
different We're in a different space today for sure. When
it comes to this subject.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Yeah, I'm sorry, but what popped in my brain was
the guy's heavens what were they.

Speaker 5 (01:37:56):
Called Heaven's Gate.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Yeah, they wore the Nike uh sneakers because the aliens
like Nike sneakers.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Apparently they really wanted you know Haley's comment.

Speaker 5 (01:38:07):
No, it was hailbop, Hailbobo.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Hilbob, thank you, hailbob. They really wanted that to be
the mother ship. But it's I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
It kind of feels like we've been educated with regards
to that. No one is going to the extreme expecting
that here comes the rapture. It's just okay, what is this,
let's analyze this, let's get some evidence on it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
That's that's vastly.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Different than maybe, you know, hundreds thousands of years ago,
where you know, man would look up and see some
weird thing and just think, oh that's a god.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
He's pissed off, or you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Know, some something's coming. But yeah, it's you know, I've
got my popcorn.

Speaker 5 (01:38:48):
It's great, isn't it ready for it?

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:38:50):
Great, it's great. I was at a Halloween party a
couple of weeks ago for Halloween, and I'm sitting at
this table with some well, two friends that I went with,
but a table of new people, and the chef and
the owner of the anyway grouped people together and we

(01:39:14):
had assigned seats. The lady sitting in front of me,
I'll say her, her name's Brie. Brie. If you're listening,
you know exactly what you did to me. So she goes.
So somebody says to her, you know what I do.
She leans across it. I don't know who she is.

(01:39:34):
She goes, it's three. I atlas a flying saucer right
out of her mouth, Dean, just like that. And we
had and everybody roun jumped in on the conversation and
had their take. Yeah, everybody wanted well wondered if it
was confirmed, like did I have any secret information on it,

(01:39:55):
which obviously I don't, but I told them I think
it's e T. I don't think it's something natural. It's
not a comet. I'm convinced of that. But do you
think it's et? Everybody wanted it to be et. I
think that's why the attention is there. The attention is
not there because it's a comet. The attentions there because

(01:40:17):
they don't want it to be a comment.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
What see the writer in me, the filmmaker and me
is munching on us now, and it's saying, what if
it's not?

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
What if it's just a comment?

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Comment has Unlike an asteroid, a comment is very volatile.
It reacts differently. There's gases, there's different temperatures and stuff.
But what if everyone's desire for this to be a
ufh on alien?

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
What if it creates that?

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
What if it becomes that by virtue of all of
us focusing intensely, our desires are manifesting. What if what
if that changes changes it shape everything?

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
If?

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
What if?

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
What if we're creating self fulfilling self realizing this thing.

Speaker 5 (01:41:05):
Isn't that the best part and write this story?

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:41:08):
Exactly? Isn't that the best part of this conversation? And
we have to have open minds with this? Oh I
wanted to ask you, Oh, I don't want this to
get away from me. Talking about Close Encounters? Have you
seen the director's cut with the different.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Ending of Close Encounters?

Speaker 5 (01:41:28):
Yes, when he goes inside the craft?

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Yeah, horrible, but I loved it?

Speaker 5 (01:41:36):
What yehan? Okay, the show's over. Have a good career,
Good luck into your next film. Good talking to you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
My I want my imagination to do some work.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
Oh okay, just like it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Just like in Psycho, I don't need to see the
blade going into vividly right, And so for me, I
didn't want to see it because I had a version
of it in my head. We all didn't quite land
for me. And Spielberg hates it. He only agreed to
shoot that because he wanted to go back and finish
editing because he had to rush that cut. And he
also added where the ships are in the desert. He

(01:42:14):
added that the Gobi desert stuff. So you know, I
remember going back as a kid and seeing it and going, okay,
that's kind of cool. But there was something looking behind
the curtain. I wanted the wizard to stay behind the curtain.

Speaker 5 (01:42:30):
Sure, sure, sure, sure. We all did the same thing,
you know, the ramp with the lights right and everybody
facing it and everybody come in and you're like, okay,
so what's in there? Okay? All right? And when I
watched which I own it, right, I own it, and
I've watched it. I've watched it a few times, and
I've listened to Spielberg's comments about it. I liked it.

(01:42:53):
I liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
You like it?

Speaker 5 (01:42:55):
I did. I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
You can a Temple of Doom to Indiana Jones and
Temple of Doom, and you like that as well?

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
No, okay, all right, good we do have.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
We no, no temple Okay, I don't want to get
sideways on this. First off, I love Spielberg. Okay, yeah,
I love Spielberg. Uh, the best Indiana Jones is still
the first.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
One, and I worked.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
I got a chance to shoot set photography on Indian
Jones and The Last Crusade, and I got to see
that was insane. I'm dropping names here, but it was
seeing Harrison Ford, Sean Connery and Spielberg, like, you know,
five feet from me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:38):
I I I could barely focus.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
I mean, I was afraid of focused, but that I
really That's my second favorite is The Last Crusade.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
It's it's oh, it's it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
The other two haven't really kind of worked, but the
first one is sublime.

Speaker 5 (01:43:57):
It's divine, it's divine, it's perfect, it's perfect comedy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:03):
When I went to Spielberg's house in Zuma Beach, and
this is what I've always loved the guy. But I
don't know if he still has the house. I don't
know if I'm giving stuff away, if it's private, I
don't give you shit. But this is what This is
not an exaggeration. I go downstairs into his theater and

(01:44:31):
he shows me his camp is projector, which is like this.
It looked like it was made of silver. I don't know,
it's like nickel. I don't know how to describe it,
but like machine too beautiful, like a role ax. You know,
it's just like crazy, crazy nights seventy milimeter projector into
the but with this ginorm I mean like frigging Chinese

(01:44:54):
theater screen right with the red velvet Kurt and the
whole thing, and then on both sides of the theater.
It's massive. I don't know how many people you would
put in there, one hundred for sure, video games and
toys like everywhere. His appreciation for the art starts there,

(01:45:18):
starts at home. This is a thing that is his
soul when he does. You know, when you watch something
like Super Rate, of course you know the big stuff,
but even War of the World, he has got a really, really,
really deep commitment to this subject. I don't know if

(01:45:42):
he knows the secrets I don't know if he's been
read in, but man, it really to me, it just
seems like he knows what's going on, and he's dealing
with disclosure. And that's why I'm really excited about this film.
Close Encounters was in nineteen seventy seven dealing with disclosure,

(01:46:03):
and here we are in twenty twenty five, forty years later,
and we're not only still talking about that film, but
that film hit it on every point, didn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
And the thing that Spielberg keeps going back to the
well to pull out is the is the magic of
that communion between the beans and us and how there's
no real fear.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Around it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
But it's I mean, the thing is, he's influenced so
many other filmmakers. You mentioned Super eight, Well, J. J.
Abrams directed that, but you know he showed it to Spielberg.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
I'm sure he saw some of the earlier cuts.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
JJ's first job working in the business was cutting together
super eight films, eight millimeter films that Spielberg made.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
When he was a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
He pulled all those together, and so I don't you know,
without without Close Encounters and et, I never made the
McPherson tape you know, contact doesn't happen, arrival doesn't happen.
It's you know, it's the the greatest thing that a

(01:47:17):
species can aspire to, which is seen meeting another species,
whether it's more advanced or not. And the way that
he's handled it with such awe, I'm chasing that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:29):
To me, that is the carrot that I dangle.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
It's you know, when I think about when I'm writing,
I think about two things.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
One is am I giving the awe inspiring?

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
And am I thinking outside the gate you know, outside
the uh you know, the walls. Am I pushing it
like the Beatles pushed it? And the Beatles again perfect example.
The Beatles were not classically educated. They couldn't even read music.
And because of that, there are creating things that that
someone else would have said, oh, you can't do that,
it can't exist. And that's where science has always made

(01:48:01):
great headways, where someone just said, well, why can't we
just do this?

Speaker 3 (01:48:06):
And then it comes.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
But getting back to Spielberg, yeah, I'm not here, I'm
not in la. None of this is happening without this guy,
and so whatever was channeling into him, it's it's you know,
you look at how how that affects everything, and so
it's a ripple that has gone on for decades now.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
Has he been read in? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
I don't think that he's got any more you know,
information than than you know, we do. I don't think
that the current you know, I don't think that the
administration are being read into all the details because of
there for four years, eight years.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Maybe then they go.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
But I think that what we are seeing getting little
glimpses and stuff is we're getting confirmation.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
Of shit we've known for decades.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
So it's like, thank you very much, but can we
now see the actual footage And don't tell us that
this footage that is clear as day, by the way,
is in any way going to compromise that technology and
that we could reverse engineer from photographs and from video
because you would have done that. So don't give us that.
And other countries have that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
Just show it to us so we can look at
it and see it and you know, be appreciative.

Speaker 5 (01:49:17):
Yeah, don't hide behind national security. Got it every time
I hear it. Well, let me ask talking about being
read in. You've done enough interviews now and I've watched
your latest documentar I watched part two with Diana and
Deep prosad. I'm going to be with Deep tomorrow. I've

(01:49:38):
known Deep for a long time, A long time, I
don't know, twelve years. Maybe when I met him, he
really was a kid. He's still a kid, but he
was like hold he was when I met him, he
was eighteen nineteen years old. But about being read in
with all of the interviews that you have done, is

(01:50:00):
it your feeling that the people that you are talking to,
and you're talking to the top of science and stuff,
do you think that they are still two degrees removed right,
that they're still basing their stuff. They haven't touched a craft,

(01:50:21):
they haven't been in a hangar or have they? And
is that the goal to get one more layer down
closer to you know what I mean? Those individuals like
the CEO of Skunk Works.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Right, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
I guess what I keep coming back to is, you know,
when you talk to the experiencers, there's two messages that
they give to the experiencers. It's that you're screwing up
your planet.

Speaker 3 (01:50:58):
So if you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Voting for anyone who doesn't endorse you know, real significant
climate changing and getting you know, the world back on
course and respecting it. I don't know why you're in
the UFO, you know field at all. The second is
your technology isn't helping you, right, But let's look at
that your tech, You're technology isn't helping you. If they

(01:51:24):
have been giving us technology, then wouldn't it be their technology,
and that they're saying that what we gave you isn't
helping you, But they don't say it, They say your technology.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
I find that fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
I find that that, you know, at first I thought
it was nuclear technology.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
But you know, in interviewing.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Roth Blumenthal for this John mac documentary, we talk about
how maybe the technology.

Speaker 3 (01:51:52):
Is actually our cell phones, that it's the smartphones.

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Maybe it's that technology that isn't helping us because it's
you know, already we're having a population decrease for the
first time in history. Less people are having kids, you know,
So what is if we don't have a big enough
gene pool, we're going.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
To be screwed. As doctor Michael Master says, and that's.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Why he reports that they're coming from the future, coming
back to get gene sampling so that they all don't
end up playing the banjo.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
You looking like deliverance.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
So I think I think with regards to people being
one or two steps removed from the truth, we have
to kind of define.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
What that truth would be.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Is it that we do have the technology, do we
have aliens that we're communicating with that that we're doing
an exchange program.

Speaker 3 (01:52:44):
It's so it's so.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Murky, and you know, I look for firsthand, I want people,
the people that I'm interested, some of them I can't
even put on camera. You know, talking to a young
person who's who's in the army and he's telling me
about flying over and seen in the water a craft
that is in international waters. They're trying to communicate. Nothing

(01:53:08):
is happening. It will not communicate. So unfortunately, we designed
to send a submarine missile at it. And he's watching
this thing from a black helicopter looking seeing this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Coming and it hits it and it's like a lava lamp.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
He says, the way it kind of moves like this
and becomes two and then it merges again and then
it takes off. And I said, how did that make
you feel? And he goes, my feeling was just that
this is something I've not seen before. And again, you
couldn't see all of it because it was just shallow

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enough that you just saw the shape of it, which
is really creepy as hell. But after a while you
watch this thing, you kind of folding, you accept them.
He was at a young enough age that he was
able to deal with it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
Maybe someone who was older couldn't, right, But it's.

Speaker 5 (01:54:05):
Yeah, I wow, that's inter it kind of that reminds
me a little bit. I'm glad you're in film and
I live here. We can always use that comparison, but
it's a good one to use. Remember when they fired
the nuclear missiles at the ship in Independence Day and
the ship just swallowed them. Remember that, It's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
Just like just like deflected it and then it absorbed it,
right right, Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:54:31):
And uh, that's you would think that? Is it?

Speaker 7 (01:54:38):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:54:40):
Is it like when Spain invaded South America and you know,
facing the Incas that are you know, spears and arrows
and they've got guns and cannons, right yeah, right, And
the INCA had no idea. They were just completely they've
never seen anything like that. And I'm wondering if yeah, missiles,

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technology and everything else, but to an advanced race of beings,
it would be like shooting arrows at them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
That well, imagine this. You've got someone who is sending,
you know, shooting an arrow at you, and you're on
a different timeline than the person who's shooting the arrow
at right, yes, yes, and you're like this and I'll take.

Speaker 5 (01:55:27):
It, yeah, right right, right right, And that that is
a great point. And before we run out of time,
let me let's stay right there. The reason why that's
an amazing point is that, no matter how we want
to look at it, you've got to put everything aside.
They understand everything about us. Everything. There's nothing, there's nothing,

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you know what I mean. It's just so we're so basic, yeah,
you know, predictable, totally predictable. That that has to be
the only way to look at it, right that And
why is it that this is the point I wanted
to make that humans always defeat the advanced aliens with

(01:56:16):
a cult forty five right, Yeah, we band together. We've
been bombed into nothingness. We've you know, we've got a
little village in in the woods in Yosemite, and we
get our gun collection together and some Molotov cocktails and

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we break down the uh the ET communications network.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
Yeah, Horsefield, Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
You know, I really I do dig War of the Worlds,
but I don't dig the ending, which is wait, let
me get this straight. So they come here and they
haven't shielded themselves from the germs from pigeon poop.

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
Have you seen this ice Cube? Have you seen the
new ice Cube version? No, you haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
That ice cube version.

Speaker 5 (01:57:05):
Ice Cube just made War the World?

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, the TV series.

Speaker 5 (01:57:11):
The TV No, it's a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Oh, it's a movie. I started to watch some of it,
but the effects were like.

Speaker 5 (01:57:17):
Oh, it's way cheesy. So he's like in the CIA
and it's all a social media I don't want to
give away. Go watch it. It's actually pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
If you like it, I'll finish watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
The other movie that just kind of is like, come
on is uh and it's and it's it's uh. It's
a lot of people's favorite so excuse me for this,
but uh is Signs.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
So you're the movie Signs.

Speaker 5 (01:57:48):
Love it?

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
So the aliens come all the way here from wherever
they're coming, and I don't dislike it because it is
very similar to both of my alien movies. Yeah, they
come all the way here, but they're allergic to water
and none of them think to pack a rain coat.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
It's we need to do better as.

Speaker 5 (01:58:13):
Is that lazy? Is that lazy writing?

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
That's lazy writing. That's that's really lazy writing. I mean,
you come to a planet that's more than three quarters
water and you don't think maybe I could do like.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
A poncho or an umbrella.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Yeah, you're actually pushing me to come up with ways
when I do another alien movie to defeat them in
a whole new way. That that because it's the challenge
just like, where would we come up with something beyond
what they do unless we find a way.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
To turn it against them that they have, you know,
something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:58:48):
Well Independence Day was so great. Yeah, but Randy Quaid
and it was so good. But Randy Quaid and a
by plane? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
Is that lazy? Right? Is this really tracking?

Speaker 7 (01:59:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
Well, you're talking about the previous cut that they didn't
use because they eventually put him in a jet. But
the original cut he actually took the biplane and went
up and delivered Yes, someone in the test audience when
they test screen it went yeah, I'm not buying it.

Speaker 5 (01:59:20):
You guys are going to need to reshoot that man,
You know, but then I watched something like and We've
got sixty seconds left. Arrival is perfect? Yes, perfect, there's
no there's no lazy writing in that. Everything is done

(01:59:41):
with brilliance and intention from the very beginning of the
movie to the end. Very original in concept, great story,
and great cinematography and the DP on that throughout the
whole thing, and the special effects just and do you

(02:00:02):
wonder when because I walked out of the theater when
I saw that, and I thought, somebody knows something. This
is too original. This is two out there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:18):
It's Sedshang wrote the short story. But that's our job.

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
I mean, look at HG. Wells.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
He wrote about rockets that had boosters and different sections.
How did he know this stuff? Everything starts, they say,
with science fiction before it becomes science And so I
think that that's just great, you know, imaginative work and
at its best, which is what we're all shooting for.
When it works, it feels like it's real, which.

Speaker 3 (02:00:44):
Is an accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
It's a huge compliment that you gave them to do
that where it feels like this is resonating with me,
like maybe this is a precursor to something that could
be real.

Speaker 3 (02:00:53):
So I don't know, but great movie.

Speaker 5 (02:00:56):
What are you working on now, what's your next project?

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
I'm working on a sci fi project.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
It's kind of like if you liked ex Macina Macana,
It's it's like that, but it's with an alien and
so that and I've got this thing that I want
to shoot in Scotland, which is it's a it's a.

Speaker 3 (02:01:25):
Vampire tale in Scotland.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
And so I need to get back to making some
movies before I come back and do some more docs.
But that's the next thing that I hope to be shooting,
is this alien thing, kind of taking what I've learned
over the past eight years and testing some of the
theories I have.

Speaker 5 (02:01:41):
Well, everybody, I want you to go and watch The
Alien Perspective, which is part one, and Life Beyond Earth,
which is part two. Those are out now. We've got
Dean's website below and over on our website and throughout
social media. Dean, I look forward to hanging out with
you again, my friend. Great conversation tonight, and I look
forward to our next one.

Speaker 3 (02:02:02):
Thank you, brother peace.

Speaker 5 (02:02:03):
Enjoy the rest of your night. Thank you so much, Dean,
Thank you, perfect night on the show. Everybody. Dean Alioto.
His links are below. Again, the alien perspective in Life
Beyond Earth are absolutely amazing, so go and check them out.
And with that, I'm going to wrap because I've got
to jump on the plane first thing in the morning.

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I've got to go get some TV work done. I'll
be back Thursday and I might try to put something
together for Friday night and we'll just do a hangout.
But I've got to go to work. So everybody, enjoy
your week and I will certainly see you back here
next Monday, but we'll do something special on Friday night.
All right, all right, I will talk to you soon.

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