FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Masati

Tonight, researcher and teacher, Masati, joins us to discuss the NDE and life... all of it. Do Not Miss This Show!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:30):
This Hope Radio for the NASSIS headline of this July eighth,
nineteen forty seven, the Yadi Air Force has announced that
applying this hapen found and there's now in the possession
of the ARDA.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
The game is really changed. The game Gage.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this work.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
This is Day to Black.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
It's your host, Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
All right, good evening, Fade to Black. How you doing
Today's Wednesday, November nineteenth, twenty twenty six. I am your host,
Jimmy Church. What is cracking everybody? How you doing? Let's
do this Mayena. Yeah, the sun cracked out today more
and that in just a minute. This week on Fade

(01:31):
to Black Monday Night, Callum Cooper was with us ghost
Hauntings and Survival and amazing conversation. Last night. Nicola Farmer
was here also from the United Kingdom. Two guests this
week live from the UK. That time we talked about
the ICU Academy. Tonight, Massadi is back. We're going to

(01:51):
talk about the near death experience tonight, Indy Ease Tomorrow Night,
Doctor Julia Mossbridge is back. I've got a new book
out called The Disclosure Process. Neuroscientists talking about disclosure. All
of that and much more tomorrow night on the show.
Very excited. Okay, My next event coming up, the next event,

(02:13):
not the only event. The next event coming up for
me is the Conscious Life Expo and it's this February
twenty through the twenty third, twenty twenty six at the
lax Hilton. The links for that event are below. I
believe this is the twelfth year of me hosting that event.
It is it's the biggest conference of its kind in

(02:34):
the world. It is massive, but it is also so
much fun. So head over to Consciouslifeexpo dot com and
look at the schedule, look at the amount of speakers.
There is something there for everyone. It's going to be great.
And also get tickets to my Disclosure Luncheon. Yeah yeah,

(02:57):
that's a lot of fun too as well, so that
that sells out every year. So get tickets for that
and come and hang out with me. All right. I
just mentioned the sun cracked out today. I haven't ridden
in about a week. I was in Denver. I was
taking Beyond Belief. Always great when I do that. I

(03:18):
just started raining here. It got back to the rain,
couldn't ride, couldn't ride all week and couldn't do And
finally it's raining now outside by the way. But the
sun came out today, the streets right out. So I
fired up the bike and I took a short ride,
put on long John's thermals and went out there and

(03:42):
faced the music. It was a lot of fun. I
just rode over to m Little Valley Harley Davidson to
hang out and say hello to everybody and turn around
and came back. It was too cold. It was the
gold And then Frankie over there. I'm gonna get Massadi
on here right now, but I want to share this
with everybody. It's my life. Frankie who's the service manager

(04:05):
over there, and he's amazing. He's just a great guy,
and I do. He's got a group his family and
his friends that that he rides with and they're all
really really cool. They're a lot of fun. But they ride,
they ride, they ride, ride, And so Frankie goes O
came in, you know, uh, we're gonna ride New Year's

(04:29):
Day January first, I said, okay, he goes Man it's
gonna start at seven seven on New Year's Day. You
know how cold that is?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Right?

Speaker 5 (04:37):
And I don't know where we're going at, but it's
going to be an all day day ride. We'll probably
go three or four hundred miles in one direction and
then and come back. We're not going to spend the night.
And I'm like, okay, man, I'm talking all big. Yeah, man,
I'm in and I'm thinking about myself. That sounds frightening, frightening. Yeah,

(04:58):
So there you go, Frankie, he's crazy. He told me
we did the Love Ride together and this is for
all of you Harley riders. He goes, so, man, you
should have joined us when we went to Colorado. I said,
oh yeah, and he goes, yeah, man, it was great
because we did eight hundred miles in one day. We

(05:18):
made it to our destination. Coming back. Well wait wait, wait, wait, wait,
eight hundred miles. I wouldn't do that in a car.
Eight hundred miles on a bike, right, And I'm like, oh, man, yeah,
that would have been great, he said. Coming back. We
took a few days and we were only doing two
hundred miles a day. We took it easy. I'm like, man,

(05:41):
you guys are hardcore, hardcore, but you know what, you
just got to be hardcore. I was just talking to
Massadi before the show. Massadi and I are friends, and
you just never know, you think you know somebody. He goes,
Massadi says, I won't waste airtime tonight with me and
Missati talking about motorcycles because that'll take over the whole show. Hees, Moon,

(06:04):
we need to go riding. I go, we do? You ride?
And he goes, I do, And he's got the correct bike. Man,
he's got a Triumph bobber and wow, you know who knew?
I knew he was cool. I just didn't know how cool.
But we're going to find out tonight because the Massati
is here. We're going to be talking about the near

(06:26):
death experience tonight. I have spent a lot of time
with Massati. He has talked a little bit about his
near death experience with me. But tonight we're going to
do the big reveal about death and also if we
are living in a simulation and how consciousness shapes reality.
We're going to do all of that. His websites are below,

(06:48):
Okay on social media and over on our website. I
would like to welcome back to Fate to black and
one and only Massati, hardcore biker, hardcore biker Massadi.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Everybody. How's it going good?

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Man? It's going good. Hey did you see did you
see the movie The Bike Riders?

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I did not.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Okay, that's what you fat that's what you doing tonight
after the show. I think I think the movie is
based on your life.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, yeah, now I gotta watch it for sure.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
How you doing, man, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Oh? Nothing, Well, a lot of things. We just got
back from. It was a fantastic here. Actually we went
to Egypt, China. We came back from South South Africa
really transforming lives. We had our own events there, so
it was beautiful. And I'll be at the Conscious Life
xt foal with you.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Yes, I know. I can't wait for that. I can't
wait when you go. Let me ask you about that.
Conscious Life Expo is massive, and we say that all
the time, but the people that go there for the
first time, unless you're prepared for it, it can be a
little overwhelming because it's sprawling. It's big. Uh there, there's

(08:10):
so many speakers and things where you have to It's
not like there's one stage where we all exactly are
the No, you have choices right, and it's like over
It's like when you go to a great restaurant and
you like everything on the menu, you know, and it's
it's it's that kind of challenge. But when you're there
at conferences like that, how is that for you to

(08:31):
to hang out with the attendees and and share stories
and and do the meet and greet.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
H I actually love it. My booth is really really
really packed in a matter.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
Where we go.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
It's just like there's always you know, groups of people
hanging out because just because of this, because of what
I do, and it's it's just fun getting to know people,
the real people behind their identities, I guess, and people
love understanding who they are at a very very deep level,
you know, and getting rid of all the say, distortions

(09:04):
of you know, their genetics, their family value structure and
whatever holds them back. So it's just it's beautiful to
see that. You know, you can wake up so many
people in a very short period of time.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
Do you get a chance to go and check out
other speakers and presentations.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Sometimes, But like I said, my booth is so busy,
but fay, you know, my wife. She she drags me
out sometimes. Yeah, so I do check, you know, I
do check here and there, But a lot of times
I'm at the booth I'm speaking.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Yeah, she's dragged us both to things she loves to.
I know she loves and her energy level is so high.
But if you had a I just want to get
inside your head a little bit. If let's say, you
can do whatever you want when you're at these conferences,
and if you had some what would you go and

(09:55):
check out? Would you check out ancient history, UFOs, Bigfoot, consciousness, awakening? Well,
you already do all the all the shocks, ye.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
So yeah, the probably the awakening part or consciousness. I
want to see how they define it compared to how
I define consciousness.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
Mm hmmm mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, it's a good that's
a good point I have.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I usually have a very different view than most people.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Well, what you know, you know, that's my favorite question.
What's your take on consciousness? Okay, no, let me help you.
Let me feed you a softball. Here's a softball underarm pitch. Okay, yeah.
Is consciousness local or non local?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well? Yeah, again, most people think that consciousness exists inside
the brain. You know a lot of neuroscientists would think
that way, But in reality, consciousness is not outside of
you or inside of you. It actually is the environment
that you are rendered in. So this is like, if
you go to Alaska, you're gonna be uh, you're gonna
transform or shift to say your reality or your environment.

(11:04):
Does that make sense to you? If you go to
Jamaica or wherever else? Again, your environment dictates who you're
going to be, how your habits are, eating all that stuff.
So consciousness is literally a reality that say, exists in
this and whatever that consciousness say, dictates or has programs
in there, those are only those are all the things

(11:25):
that you can be, do or have. If that consciousness
doesn't say, does not have, say, a certain paradigm, you
can't think it. If that makes sense for.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
You, it's making sense. Let's take it a step further.
Excuse me, Yeah, just take it a step further. When
you say environment, you're speaking in metaphor right or or are.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
You speaking terance? Oh, there's a literal sense. This is
this is not your say environment, physical environment. You know
that you sense with your five senses. There's a whole say,
different paradigm or different say system that creates you so
you can think and act and so on like that.

(12:12):
So it's basically the rendering machine that creates this reality.
That consciousness is literally the script on how this reality
is dictated. So I'll give you an example. You know,
when people have when people go, oh, the you know,
the stone age, and we move into, say, the you know,
the metals age, and then we move into the industrial age.

(12:35):
And it's not all these brilliant people you know, coming
up with ideas and inventions and all this stuff going wow,
you know, hey, we just thought of this, or you know,
now we're in the technological age. It's got nothing to
do with that. It literally is say that consciousness that
has concepts of say technology coming down, and then when
it comes down and hits this reality, we all say,

(12:58):
swim in that reality. And then this is where we
pick up, say ideas, it's like, gosh, you know what
we should get into the technological age that makes sense
to you, And this is where that consciousness again, it's
always like a record drop. It's just you know, back
in the old days they had the record players with
the you know, stacks of records. Basically, one consciousness finishes,

(13:20):
then the record drops and a whole new set of
rules dictate how you how you say, run this reality?

Speaker 5 (13:28):
How do you adapt to that?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Some people don't. That's what's happening today. People are like stuck,
you know, like ten ten, ten levels deep, you know,
and it's like shit. And this is where you know,
people might go, oh, you're what is it the reptilians
and all that stuff. It's it's not that they live underground,
but that consciousness that was a surface level or zero

(13:52):
level reality. So so just to go deeper, you've got
zero level reality and then you got level one, you know,
where like death occurs, level two, level three, level four,
level five. So in this case, level one drops into
level zero and this is the playing field. This is
where say density occurs, and then level that level zero

(14:13):
will drop into say a negative level consciousness. And that's
you know, so at the time you know, whether it's
good or bad, it doesn't really matter. It's a negative
level consciousness. And this is people go, oh, that's the
lizard people, or you know, there's dark states or whatever
it is. It's just people are stuck in that realm,
that consciousness that that created them.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Let me ask you, Let me ask you this, and
I want you to take this the right way, please,
good certain good friend of mine is I have been
to a few of your presentations and they are so
amazing and comprehensive and full of information. Now I have
stood there next to you right watch your presentation and go,

(14:55):
you know, I get it. I get it, and then
I'm no, I don't. Right. But here's the part about that,
because I love information. I'm looking at the people in
your in attendance. They are completely focused, and you must

(15:16):
really enjoy that because you want people's attention and you
get it. Do you think that they they are getting it?
Do they fully understand and absorb what you are trying
to present?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Maybe not at a conscious level, but like you said,
the focus that people have, it's because the frequencies that
I create while I'm speaking, and even now some of
your audience might actually feel my presence and that's the frequencies,
and it's a remembrance of who they are. So what
I speak about, Lily like you get it because deep

(15:50):
down inside you already know this stuff, just like everybody else,
because the logic or the physics that creates you renders
you is very deep inside and just to give you
an example, for example, your heart beat. You know, it's
an autonomic nervous system that runs your heart, that runs
your visual cues, and you know the thousands of processes

(16:11):
that happened. So we don't understand it at a logical level,
you know how the heart works, but at a very
deep level, we understand how the heart works because it
works for us all the time. Does that make.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
Sense coming from you? I will always say it makes sense. Yeah,
But these are complex.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Issues and yeah, totally things.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
This is the other thing, though, Massaudi. People need to
resonate and develop a trust with somebody with this kind
of information, and I have that in you, but I
didn't always have it. You know when I got it
with you, you know when I started trusting you and
we were always friends. I'm saying that right, but you

(16:55):
and I Okay, I want the audience to listen to
me very very carefully so you don't misunderstand anything that
I'm about to say. Massadi invites me to do a
session with me. All right, so I go. I'm excited.
I want to see what this is all about. And

(17:16):
we're alone, and while we were going through this, which
was maybe a half hour would you say about a
half hour maybe, And so we're going through and while
I'm in this state, Massadi says to me, audience, listen

(17:36):
to me. Massadi says something out loud that only I knew.
It was private and I have never talked about or
spoken about to a single soul on this planet ever.
And it comes out of his mouth and I'm sitting there.

(17:57):
My eyes pop open, and he said something and I go, dude,
I gotta go. You remember that, you remember that?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Right?

Speaker 5 (18:04):
I was like, and you said, uh? He said, well
you want to sit And I said, man, you're freaking
me out, Man, I gotta go. I got, I gotta
What did I say? Yeah? What did I say, Massada?
I said? I said, I gotta go think about this?

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Remember, yeah, said absolutely, I said, man, And.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
I walked away and it was just going through my
How did he know that? It was very very private
and very very person And I never even told you
what you said. I think you came up to me later.
I think you know what. No, no to private. But
you're good. You are good. But do you have that

(18:46):
reaction from from people? And does it always happen that way? Oh?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Totally?

Speaker 5 (18:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
People will go how do you know that? Again, it's
not like psychic abilities. But what I do is is
literally like tap into say the consciousness that creates you here,
so or that part of that consciousness. So like, you know,
I could read anybody on online. I don't have to
know your name, you know, Like, what's the Alexandria, She says,
I'm numbed by my addictions. Yeah, it's it's something happened

(19:17):
to your uncle, Alexandra, that distorted your father, and that's
why you are. Literally addictions usually run when you're disconnected
from space and time. So what you do, Alexander is
like you always have to say, grab on to something
or you know something, whether it's alcohol, cigarettes, whatever, or
you know a person or a situation or an idea

(19:39):
or a song or whatever it is. You know it's
because you're grabbing onto time or you have a lack of, say,
consistency with time. And that's an easy fix. I can.
I can work on her while we're speaking, and she'll
probably feel different.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
No, no, tonight, you are mine, of.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Course, tell tell on the side.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
I will. I will text Fae right now and she'll
tell She'll go no more, no more, Jimmy said, uh
oh oh oh, before we get started, I don't want
to get two sideways. How's the family? Everything good? Getting
ready for the holiday?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Oh yeah, it's going to be great. We're going to
have all the kids here, you know, probably their friends,
So it's going to be beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Did I tell you? I don't know if I told
you this. I get on an elevator and all of
your kids get in, right, all fifteen. Yeah, So they
all get in on the elevator and I turned to them.
They're like, hey, Jimmy, I said, hey, man, what's going on?
I said, hey, all right, this goes to the whole elevator. Okay,
is your dad as cool as he thinks he is? Yep?

(20:49):
They love you, man, They absolutely you know, I'm a parent,
and to see that and to see your family is
just it's really cool. You guys are ready for the holidays,
and and here me yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah, we're just hanging out, you know, making a fire,
making turkey. It's just it's just just a good time.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
Isn't that next week? What is Thanksgiving? Next?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I think next Thursday?

Speaker 6 (21:14):
Is it really coming up so fast?

Speaker 5 (21:17):
This year? Like this? I can't even believe how fast
this year went by.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I can't pretty crazy.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
It's it's it's absolutely insane. Let's get let's get to
an end uh E conversation.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Okay, I UH.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Will act like I've said this to you for the
first time for the audience. But I've had my own
uh and the experience while in the hospital and uh
and I went through that and when I did, UH
go through that as I started my journey of knowledge

(22:01):
in my career interviewing other people that have had NDEs
uh yet not necessarily having written a book, just people
that have gone through it too as well. It's and
I haven't every What I did find is most experiences
are different and mine was completely unique. A few similarities. Uh,

(22:28):
you know, I see the crossover. But is it is
it like that as as you know you've gone through
multiple NDEs like I have, do you find that that
is the case.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Well, you know, there are similarities that people go through.
You know, they see the tunnel on light, or they
get a life review, or you know, they get their
you know, pets or their loved ones are greeting them
and all that, or you know, somebody is like believes
in say Christianity or Jesus, you know, and they're still
say in that concept of self or their physical self,

(23:03):
they'll start to see, say, Jesus, it's like God, Jesus
is here for me. Or if you're you know, a
Buddhist or you know, I don't Muslim or whatever, it's like, ah,
you know, here we go Buddha came to me, some
one like that. And then they go, Jesus is real.
Look it was in my near death. I mean all
those things. It depends on your reference points. So if

(23:24):
you reference a clarity or enlightenment with Jesus, then most
likely you will see it Jesus up there. Because again
it's just it's just easier for say, consciousness to help
you understand what's happening up there. But but when I
when I had those near death experiences, I think mine
was a little different because I was groomed to have

(23:45):
those near death experiences. So I use near death experiences
to accelerate my uh my progress.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Wait wait wait, wait, what do you mean groomed grood?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
So so back in the day, you know, I studied
my first near death. You know, I studied gosh, a
lot of the religions, a lot of spirituality, but you know,
they all kind of sucked. No offense. Uh, they're they're
they're good. It's good content, but it's not if you're
not getting the same results as say a Jesus or
a Buddh or mom, and then you're probably doing it
wrong basically. So it's like I wanted to know the truth, right, So,

(24:19):
so I really wanted to know the truth, not what
they wrote in books and all that. But it didn't
really satisfy me, you know what what I was reading,
Uh and then and then so that wasn't satisfactory. So
I decided, like many people do, go well, if I
become successful, then I'll be truly whole. I'll be truly happy,
and I'll understand myself. But look at today's world. I

(24:40):
mean there's a lot of people are are are well
messed up, you know, whether they're successful, or they're dirt
poor or they're spiritual, they're all messed up. Someone I want,
I want to know the truth. And I wanted to
know the truth so bad that you know, the universe goes,
hey do you really want to know? And go yeah,
I really want to do No. And so I was
in a warehouse, you know, college job. I was unloading

(25:05):
rail cars, and I got my jaws crushed, you know,
in the in the walls that go inside. Uh. And
that's where I started to realize our true potential of
who we are, our too environment of who we are,
not the distorted version of our physical realm. This is
only like say, I would say, like two percent of
our possibilities.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
Imagine Massadi, Misadi, Missadi, Missadi Ye. You just scared the
crap out of me. What do you mean your jaws
were crushed and the walls came like a oh, yeah,
I've seen that in a couple super wasn't that in
Batman the original series? The walls came in. Uh was

(25:46):
like that is that what you're well?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, so just imagine a rail car and inside they
have these moving walls to keep product in place, so
it doesn't if it's if it's not a complete you know,
a full say rail car, they have these moving walls
inside that just keep the product in place. So that
was we couldn't get to the products, so it was stuck.
So I offered to climb up, you know, on the rails,

(26:11):
up you know, inside the car, and just pull. My
teammates were pulling this almost a half tone wall you know,
and it just gave way and I just literally slid across.
And what stopped was, you know, the ceiling members. They
had a ceiling member, so and my head was perfect,
it just went boom. Oh it was my neck. I
would have gone, I would have been out, but it

(26:32):
crushed my jaw. So I was literally dangling by my jaw. Jimmy.
I didn't know it at the time, but it's just
like ye, and I don't know how long I was
dangling there, but I literally like stepped out of my
body and going, that's really pretty fucking weird, right, It's like,
what am I doing here? If I'm doing you know,
what am I doing here? If I'm supposed to be

(26:54):
over there? Which is really an eye opener, But I
was totally conscious.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Do you think we're gonna stay right here? At that
moment when you see yourself? Could it be your The
brain is such a powerful tool that your your brain,
through a survival DNA sequence, wanted to show you what

(27:23):
was going on.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
No, you can step out of your brain, like like
when people have altered states through psychedelics, or when people
describe the surgery room from above, right, you know that's
not your brain. You know, you're connected, you might say
access the download, so like your essence or your presence
or your timeless self, or some people might call it

(27:47):
their spirit. You know, you literally say disconnect and you
can hover just like a dream state. You know, in
your dreams everything is real, but you don't have a
physical form. So that's that's that say presence that you have,
so that can float around. Uh, and this is where
people can describe the room perfectly. Sure your brain can't

(28:08):
do that.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
I didn't. I didn't. I was cheap, I was robbed
in my nd. I didn't get that experience.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Okay, you just seem like you just went faded to block.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I've read so many accounts like that, and
not only are they from you know, just average people
that don't have an interest in these subjects. But then
you have you know, doctors that are probably non spiritual

(28:41):
and don't consider consciousness and all of this, and they
just think that this and then it happens to them,
and you listen to their accounts where they know the
medical procedures and what's going on, and they know when
they are clinically dead, and then they turn around and
observe what's going on in the emergency room. That that's

(29:04):
incredible when they know that it's an absolute impossible thing
to have happened if we follow the orthodox medical terms
for all of this.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean, you just can't. You just can't understand
that much detail, you know, from your brain's perspective, you know,
and from that point of view, like hovering over a
surgery table. But there are there are many experiences like that, Jimmy,
that you know, science tries not to describe because then
it'll falsify a lot of beliefs of science, which is

(29:35):
really sad.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
We have a couple of rock stars in the chat
tonight and I'm going to show you this. This is
this is this is Tony and Scherie Rathman. They are
absolutely amazing investigators. But I don't know if this is
Tony or if this is Charie. One of them is

(29:57):
going to tell me in a minute. But she said,
he said, I I don't know if it's Tony or Shari.
If consciousness can step out of the body, then how
can it? How is it not in the body? And
that's a really really good point. And then they went
on to say another point. And I love it when
people pay attention to me. They said, I was also

(30:22):
able to write music in my during my nd and
most people don't talk about stuff like that, So I
had something unique happen. Yeah. I think that's a really
good point. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean people come back with amazing experiences. You know,
people come back with uh, you know, uh, what's what's
hern Anita Marjani she healed herself of cancer. You know,
it's not like you know, like how do you do that?
It's because you change your identity or how you render
yourself in space and time. You know, this version of

(30:57):
say Anita cancer, there's another version of you in the
multiverse that says you don't have cancer. So when you
step out of an NDE, you literally unplug from this
stage set and you shine your light on that other stage.
And this is where, like many people, they cure themselves.

(31:18):
They have amazing talents, you know, they come back with
learning another language, all those things. You know. And just
to answer that other question, consciousness, consciousness is not outside
of your inside of you. It's literally the fabric. Just
think of consciousness as atoms. Atoms make up everything. So
go beyond and say it's a frequency that makes the

(31:42):
atoms that makes everything so. And again it's the fabric
of say the environment, and you're part of that environment.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
You know, I'm getting it, I'm getting it. Well, I
want to get back to your NDE. But I think
that that is a good solid gem point when people
make the comments because of what they've learned that consciousness
is everywhere. It's it's the universe, everything is connected. Well

(32:12):
that's that's exactly what you're saying, right.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, but different. There's a science to it, and I
can go into it if you want. So, Like I said,
consciousness is basically, you know, coordinates on how this reality
exists and how this reality can exist. It's like an
operating system. You know, I'm on a Mac right now

(32:37):
and it has an operating system. It dictates how this
computer works. It dictates, say, the programs that run on
this computer. If if you're not, say, adjusted to the
operating system, then that program won't run. So if you're
not adjusted to the operating system, or if the person,
for example, it would be a program or an application, uh,

(32:58):
it's not If that's not resonating with the operating system,
then you're not going to work in this reality. You
just basically, you know, disconnect. That makes sense. So basically,
consciousness is an operating system that dictates how this reality runs.
It's not it's part of you, it's outside of you.
But it literally is an operating system that is beyond, say,

(33:21):
the concepts of physicalness of this reality.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
So what happened next after I'm assuming you got rescued
from the train car?

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Well, yeah, so I went into a realm where it
was a life review. And this is where you know,
most people go, well, you know, this is where you know,
some people go, I don't know, some saint was sitting
in front of you, and you know, either you know,
you go this, you did this good, you did this good?
But what the hell happened here? You know? Because of that,

(33:52):
we're going to have to send you to hell or heaven.
You know, that's all. That's really not the way it works,
although if you want to believe in that, it'll render you,
it'll render it for you in that reality. For me,
it's more like, you know, if you're running like life here,
you're you're running it as a kindergarten. You're new to
this reality. But when you die, I lived relived my

(34:15):
whole twenty two years. Because that's you know, from birth
to twenty two years, I relived every moment of it,
Jimmy from a highly awakened being. So it reset everything
for me. There was no I should have, or there
was no I could have or anything. You totally understood
why you are in the situation that you were in,

(34:37):
and it's a beautiful thing. And when you do that,
you resolve yourself of shame, of guilt and fear and
all these things that you know society puts upon you,
and you just come back to your say, luminous self,
and it's at that level you feel grand love for yourself,
and it's just so it's just millions of times grander

(35:00):
than any love that you could feel here or the
euphoria that you could feel here. It would blow your
circuits that you got that. Yep, I did because I
was so free. I was literally like damn, I felt like,
you know, more than Superman. It's like, damn, this is
cool because this is the potential that I wanted. That's

(35:21):
what I asked for. It's like, this is what was
my true potential. And you could morph into pretty much
anything or any situation, and just like a dream state,
like I said, you could just morph into you know,
being say that person or being that presence. And I've
helped actually a lot of people who cross over kind
of get stuck in their realms, you know, taking him

(35:44):
to that level where they can rewrite their life and
relive their life. So I've done that for people. But yeah,
it's and then you know that you're dead, when it's like, gosh,
I just want to stay here, you know, forever. And
then as soon as you say that, you know, there's
a voice that always comes, or it could be your
voice that I haven't figured out yet. It's like, yeah,

(36:05):
you can stay here or you can go back. And
you think it's a choice. But as soon as they
say go back and you think about going back, what
you think about Lily renders itself just like that. So
when you think of going back, it's like boom, you're
there already. And I was, you know, I was in
my body.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
I had something similar. But let's let's go to the
after effect. So when when when I came out of
my coma and my eyes popped open, uh, And as
soon as I did that, the whole room there was
a there was a preest next to me reading a
bible that ye that freaked me out. I didn't know

(36:47):
where I was, but I'm watching him. Uh, he's alive.
He's alive. I was like, what are you doing? What's
going on? And so he's he's hitting buttons and then
the room fills up and full of doctors. And so
when all of this is going on around me, I
did that. I went, man, I want to go back.

(37:11):
You know, that was a really cool place. But I
didn't know. I just thought I was dreaming or or
I can't explain it, but I just really dug the
bliss of it. It was such a happy place, you
know exactly now. I love this reality. I love you,

(37:35):
I love my friends, I love my family, I love
my daughter, I love my existence, I love my Harley, right,
all those things, and I want to be here as
long as I'm supposed to be here. But but that
being said, at that moment, Massadi, I wanted to go back.

(38:00):
I tried to Dorothy that shit I did. I think
I clicked my heels man in the hospital bed.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'm not going to have done that several times.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
Yeah, I'm not joking.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Well, yeah, after near death, you know, after that first
near death, you you know, you come into this reality.
It's like, damn, things just don't make sense, you know,
society or you know, the way people slave away for
their for their you know, their prosperity and how they love.
It's like shit, that's all. That's all messed up, you know,
and you do want to go back. But the key
is not not choosing you know, going there or over here,

(38:33):
because it took you, i don't know, fourteen billion years, Jimmy,
to render a reality or render a body that could
literally have say a concept of going, damn, I'm here
and there's a grander version of me. That's that's that's
like an amazing intelligence there. So but the key is
is like how do you bring that or how do
you access the possibilities of who you are and then

(38:54):
render it here physically because at that level, like I said,
you can be or do anything that you want to
just like that. But and this is where Einstein says,
where you know everything can happen all at once and
it can up there. You know, you can be this,
you can do that, you can do that, you can
be all sorts of possibilities. But because there's no time,

(39:18):
but as you come down to an invent horizon or
space time. You can only do one linear thing at
a time, and that's the beauty of time. So think
of it this way, Jimmy. You know, you're talking about,
you know, not a cafeteria, a gorgeous restaurant that has
say a thousand different foods, and you're just shoving all
the foods in your face. You wouldn't taste it, you know,

(39:41):
You're just like shoving it. So that's what the other
side is. Like, everything happens to you all at once,
but you can distance yourself and then have one beautiful
plate at a time, and that's what life affords you.
So it's once you understand that concept, you go, damn,
this is really cool, you know, and you can really
enjoy I say, what you're eating rather than just you know,

(40:03):
everything all at once.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Check out yeah, yeah, check out this comment. It says aluminum.
Mind be reminded. It was Toto that pulled back the curtain.
It was Toto that crossed the veil. Be Toto, not Dorothy.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
There you go it.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
I love that a lot. Actually, that's strong Lumino. I
just stole that. I stole that. I'm going to say
that on another show in six months, hopefully, hopefully nobody
will remember, and I'll just look really really smart and
you know, witty and on top of it and quick
and all of that. Nah, I stole it. All of

(40:44):
my best material is is borrowed. It's all borrowed. That
this is your first near death experience. You've had many,
but this being your first where you wanted enlightenment with
the process. You wanted to see what was going on? Yeah,
do you feel I want to get to the end
of it too as well? So, but let's do this

(41:05):
question first. Do you feel you got those questions answered
in session one? I did?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, you know, think I look at my you know,
near death experiences Jimmie as a you know, you know,
an apprentice.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
The first near death gave me apprenticeship possibilities. It's like shit,
So after my near death experience, you know, I started
to go, how do I Okay, I know it's up there.
You know, I don't want to go up there because
then I lose my life. But how do I bring
this knowledge down here and apply it? So, so you know,

(41:41):
it was the first one was like an apprenticeship. It's
like knowing the possibilities. The second one allowed me to
understand the mechanics or the science behind that consciousness, bringing
it here into physical form and applying it. And you know,
it's not much different than say Nikola Tesla or Albert Einstein.
You know, where they escape this reality physical form, they

(42:04):
go to another level of consciousness, like Saint Nicola would,
and then they go up to his workshop in that
consciousness and then they go, oh, okay, I figured it out,
and then they try to apply it in this realm.
So so basically that you know that consciousness or that
intelligence exists at a higher level. And that's what I did.
The second of your death allowed me to say, understand

(42:26):
the mechanics or the science, how on how this reality works,
or how to bring the possibilities of who we are
this into this realm and actually apply it.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
That that's remarkable and to look at it that way.
I I, if I came away with anything, and it
was profound. What I came away with was, man, I
almost died, but I didn't you know, I know, no, I,

(43:00):
but I came back. I should say I I realized
at that moment that I was not going to screw
up this second chance. Because I was so young, I
was twenty like you you were twenty two. Yeah, I
wasn't even old enough to drink when this went down, right, Yeah,

(43:23):
And I'm like, man, I wanted to go into a
bar with the real ID I want, you know, there's
things I wanted to do. You know, I'm not going
to screw this up. And that that was a difficult
lesson in a harsh way to learn that lesson. But wow, Wow,
that's that's what I came away with. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And you know, once you understand say death, what's that saying?
You know, the angel of death is actually your savior
because once you honor say death, or once you understand it,
life becomes more precious for you and you utilize the
time that you have here much better.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
How long are you? How long were you? How long
were you dead.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
The first time around? Not exactly sure, But when I
came back into my body, you know, I had the
shearing pain, uh, and then I blacked out, and then
the next moment I knew, I was, you know, awaken
the hospital. I don't know how many hours later with
my jaws wired shut, so so quite a long time. Actually,

(44:28):
I don't know how long I was disconnected from my body,
but I was out so to speak, for hours.

Speaker 5 (44:36):
You know what I did? You know what? I didn't
feel pain?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Oh yeah, exactly, no.

Speaker 5 (44:42):
Pain, no pain. I was in such EXCERI I was
in head to toe body pain. I've talked to you
about this and you know, but I'm in this head
to toe body that I didn't feel any pain. Maybe
maybe I was a much morphine. I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
But you don't have the receptors. Yeah, the receptors for
pain are in your physical body, not like in your presence.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
Yeah. Yeah, because when I came out of that coma. Okay,
it took about three minutes, all right. When I came
out of the coma, I'm normal, dude, I'm not IVS
and I'm all strapped in. I'm in the hospital. But
everything was normal. And then I was like, oh shit,

(45:29):
I hurt. You know, it was crazy how that came
flooding back. But when I was in the comma, I
didn't feel anything. I didn't feel a feel thing.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Now, okay, So as you started to gather your thoughts
after you uh realized your jaw was wired shut, what
do you think about?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
You know, it sounds kind of crazy because you know,
I literally had to puree my food, you know, hammerger
or whatever, because I couldn't chew, and you know, they
just left me a little slit. So for like about
three months, you know, it's like eating obviously suck. I
couldn't speak too well, but god, I felt so good.
Everything tasted so much better, you know, and I really,

(46:19):
you know, was say grateful for just being in physical
time and space. I just enjoyed just like being. Sometimes
I would just like zone out and go, Wow, this
is really cool. And I think maybe that's where my
ability started to come in, because I started to see resonance.
Like I'd look at a tree and I'd go, oh, whoa,
that's how it's being. It's like being on a psychedelic trip.

(46:42):
You know, it's just like, oh whoa, that's so cool,
you know. But I wasn't on anything. So I started
to see say the resonance or the or the vibration
of the reality around me, and you know, the heaviness
or that darkness of you know, things not making sense
in this reality. All that, you know, that kind of
faded away because this was more important. It's like shit,

(47:05):
so you know, you zone out a lot and go, wow,
that's that's gorgeous. How many I.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
Had a great time? How many DS have you had?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Three major ones? And so it's a couple the three
basically complete disconnects where you leave your body behind and
then you travel, uh, and then you know many ones
like many near death, which would be half disconnect, which
most people go through where they kind of say disconnect
from their body unplugged, but then you know, they come

(47:40):
back in. This is like plant medicine journeys someone like that,
you know, where they like there's still say anchored or
tethered to their physical form, so they kind of disconnect.
They can kind of see say that threshold into the
other realms, but they don't go into it, although we
help people go into it at a deeper level.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
With you with your next ND, the next major one.
I don't know if there's a minor one. I don't
know if you can say that.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Well, I've almost drowned literally like you know, but you
didn't you know that kind of deal. Oh, you drowned
for like you know, like like half a minute or something,
and it's like somebody finds you or whatever. You're that
kind of like half this connect.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
Can I tell you my drowning story. Yeah. Uh, with
some friends r at a beach in Panama up the
coast on the Pacific side, place called Tit's Beach. It's
amazing where this river right runs into the ocean, right,
so you have these crazy waves that are created. It's

(48:49):
just amazing. So anyway, but the river cuts through these
rocks out of the mountains and then dumps out into
the ocean. So we could do two things all day.
We can go river rafting and we can go surfing, right, okay,
body surfing and all that. Meanwhile drinking lots of beer
and smoking lots of pot. So i go up to

(49:12):
the top of the river. I've got an air mattress
and I jump and it's it's rapid, you know, it's
like whitewater stuff. And I jump into it and I'm
going down and I get upside down, I get sucked in,
and I am now looking up at the surface of

(49:33):
the water. And I'm young, I'm like fifteen. I can
swim my butt off, and I couldn't get up to
the to the water or to the to the surface.
I didn't really panic, right, I panic later. I'll tell
you why, all right. So then I black out I

(49:56):
pop up right, I pop up out in the ocean,
way out there, and I come up and I'm looking around.
My holy crap, I'm a quarter mile away from shore.
The river. That where I got tipped up, that's up
the mountain. I came all the way down out in

(50:20):
the tie and I'm out and so I swim ashore
and I look around. I look. I'm old enough to
know that this is crazy. How far out I was
where I started and how long I was under the water.
I had no concept of that, and it freaked me out.

(50:44):
It freaked me out. I couldn't even talk for the
rest of the day. People were coming up to me
and asking me that I was just like so stunned
at the whole thing. To me, Massadi, yeah, two seconds,
that's how long it was. Like I looked up. I
was like, man, I can't get to the surface of
the water. I black out, and then I popped up

(51:06):
in the ocean. Yep, it was. It was. It was
like I time traveled.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
It was like two seconds exactly. That's yeah, It's just
you know, that's that's happened to me so many times.
You know, those mini near deaths where you black out
or do something and time you escape time, and then
it's like, oh, I was only underwater for a second.
And then people tell you it's like shit, you dude, you're.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
Right right, right, right, right right, No, my friends are
doing that to me. Dude. It disappeared for twenty five minutes,
you know whatever, you know whatever. I was like, Oh man,
I am really freaking out right now, I am really
freaking out. I was not comfortable with it. I knew
that it felt to me like it was one second.

(51:51):
I knew the distance that I traveled and how it
went down, and none of that computed. I was too
young to understand.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
But well, it baffles a lot of scientists even today, bunny,
because that's literally time travel. Uh, and that's the work
that I do.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
Now.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
You know, it's like, in some realm, you probably died,
but in another, say, concept of self, you know, you
made it. So it's like, which one did you choose?

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Right?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Obviously you chose that one that you came out of.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
It with with your next ND with your previous knowledge.
How many years between the two NDEs? How much time?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
H yeah, essentially about twenty two twenty three.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
Years, twenty three years. Okay, So now you've got it
mid forties, you've got experience. Now, uh with your next one?
Were you prepared? And what happened? Actually tell us what happened?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, So we were on a cruise ship and we're
you know, we're going out you know, you know where
you have these activities, right, We're on a cruise ship.
We went to Belize and you know, it's like, hey,
let's go interviewing in the jungle, you know, and it's
like that sounded great, and we did. But it was
kind of an ominous kind of day. Everything was just

(53:09):
a little off. I don't know if you've ever had
that experience where it's just a little off, and you know,
we get to the we get to the jungle and
they're hanging out life jackets, but you know, everything worked
out perfectly where I didn't have a life jacket and
it's like, Okay, I'm a strong swimmer, as a you
know swimmer in high school. I can handle you know,

(53:30):
you know, the rapids. Plus I've got an innerview, So
what can go wrong?

Speaker 5 (53:35):
Does sounds familiar to what I just.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Exactly same exact thing, right, you kind of know or
the universe knows, but for some reason, you know, we
don't pay attention to it. But what I did pay
attention was I was double checking, triple checking my kids
life jackets, you know, because they were a little smaller,
so you know, you put the band you know, in

(54:00):
their legs so it doesn't pop off and stuff. For
some reason, I was just triple checking them and I'm going,
what am I going insane or what? And then I
started to notice, which is really crazy, because you hear
the jungle sounds it was, it was a bit windy,
but when it came time, everything was like dead silent.
There was no wind, there was no jungle noise. Everything

(54:24):
was just like brilliantly calm. And I'm going, that's really interesting.
And that's where we stepped into the you know, in
our in our inner tubes. And this is where the
guide goes out, be careful because you want to keep interlocked,
your feet interlocked. So we'll go as a group, uh,
because if you don't, you might go into other tributaries

(54:45):
where they have you know, waterfalls or underground uh you know,
underground waterfalls and so on. We're basically holes in the
in the river that you just get sucked into what
they call snow Tays in Mexico, and somehow I'm locked
my feet. The family went that way, my two sons
and I went the other way, and just within like

(55:08):
less than a minute, the rapid was so powerful. I
got sucked in. I pushed my you know, my kids
aside so they wouldn't get sucked in, and I got
sucked into, you know, the snow taste, and and I
remembered stepping out of my well. First I tried to
crawl out, you know, and and so my fingers I

(55:31):
didn't know it at the time, but literally my fingers
were peeled off, and my back was bloody because you know,
I was trying to hold on because I didn't want
to go deeper, you know, into the into you know,
the earth. But then you give up. It's like you
got so much water pressure you can't fight it. It's
like how uh you know, and I go, gosh, you know,
I didn't think i'd be dying this early. You know,

(55:51):
I thought i'd be you know, uh doing any more. Yeah,
you know, it's like damn, and then you let go
and it's like and then you black out. And then
as soon as you blacked I blacked out. I saw
my body go deeper and then I just kind of
looked at it and then I rose through the rocks
the lava, and I could feel the coolness of the water,

(56:14):
which was really cool. I was like, whoa, that's kind
of cool. And then you know, you just transcend into
a realm. And this is where you know, I went
beyond say the thirteen layers, you know of the tunnel
of light, and this is where I had a peak
beyond the bill, and this is where I started to
see the mechanics on how this reality works. I could

(56:34):
you could access any level of intelligence, you know, whatever
knowledge that was there, you know, in the past, the present,
or the future. Because there is no time, everything again
is always there. So I call it the universal database.
So all the possibilities that can happen are there for you,
and they just again filtered down, so it's not It

(56:56):
was quite amazing the amount of again love, the possibilities
that you could be uh, you're outside of time and space.
I remember that kind of like sitting you know, like
that kid in those movies where the kid is just
like fishing from the moon. What's that picture?

Speaker 5 (57:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that moon moonlight pictures.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah, yeah, something like that.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
The logo you're talking about their logo Searchlight Searchlight Pictures.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, but you know it's just that kid fishing and
I'm yeah, and I'm and I'm like at the edge
of time literally looking down, I'm going, whoa, that's pretty cool,
you know. And it was just so peaceful and I'm going, damn.
And you know, you're out of space and time, so
you have no identity. That's how far I went in
the second second in your death where even your you know,

(57:49):
when you die, most people have identities or memories like residue.
But at that level, you're just pure spirit. Uh, there's
no form. There's no say, human identity because again there's
no form, there's nothing, and it's just like all again
all possibilities that you could be and it's a beautiful space.

(58:11):
So it's not knowledge outside of you. It's knowledge that's
within you, because you are one and all. And I
don't know how long I was there. My wife at
the time said I was gone for about eight to
ten minutes about that time. And the interesting part is
is that you know at that realm, just like you

(58:33):
know you it's like I only thought I was gone
for a second or two, but then you know it's
like eight to ten minutes later on the other side
when there's no time. It was like lifetimes there. I
spent like lifetimes on the other side, and it's just
like so peaceful. It's quite amazing.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
Check but check the screen. There's the logo.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, DreamWorks Animation, Yep, exactly, that's me. I didn't have
the fishing pole, and I'm just looking as like, w
that's really beautiful. You know. It's like you know when
you're sitting on the edge of a stream and you
just get dazed, you know, on the beauty of it.
It's like, yeah, it's just beautiful. It was so blissful.
But the cool thing is is like I don't know

(59:14):
how long I was gone, but I found myself like
somebody turned me off because it just went black. It
turned me off and then set me like pick me
up from the bowels of the earth, Jimmy, and just
put me about one hundred yards above river. And I'm going,
how the heaven did that happen? Because I could just
I could see the inner tube get getting sucked in.

(59:36):
It's still getting you know, caught, because it was too
big to go into the hole, and I'm going, how
did I get back here? Because I should have gone
down river, but I was actually above river. I'm going,
so somebody loves me up there?

Speaker 5 (59:51):
And how was it compared to did you immediately think
about the Jaws?

Speaker 2 (59:57):
You know?

Speaker 5 (59:57):
Think?

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Know? I just I thought of it when I let go,
and I go, shit, this is it, you know, And
I remembered the time of separating from my body, so
that was the only time. But I was just in
a beautiful bliss state again, like living literally going to
see your maker so to speak, and then coming back

(01:00:20):
and like experiencing it. It's like it was like the
most blissful state I've been, although it was quite horrowing.
It's like damn, you know, because you've got kids and
you know all that. It's like, shit, I could have
lost you. So the human like emotions start coming in.
But then also there's this beauty that's there as well,
and that beauty, you know, starts to say emanate inside you.

(01:00:43):
So I bought I brought that piece in in within me.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
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Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
Welcome back, Fade to Black. I am your host human
schurch Tonight. Massadi is with us. He's back. Uh, somebody
that I have such an immense amount of respect for.
But one of the things that Massade and I have
done uh uh with I listen and he listens to me,
and we have all of these like very similar shared

(01:07:09):
experiences as we go on this journey, and it causes
me to just absolutely relate and I just find that
part of it it's just fascinating. It's just and when
I go through that with friends, Missati, where you have
an experience no matter what it is, it could be
anything going to the zoo, but you you have the

(01:07:31):
same reactions and and you share these experiences. Is it
for me? It's comforting knowing that I'm what's the word normal,
you know what I mean, like, it's it's it's it's
it's okay. And and sometimes a ground right, Yeah, yeah,

(01:07:53):
that's it. That's it. That's it. No, nobody, nobody. I
I want to shift gears just a little bit. I
want to stay on the ND experience, but I want
to tie it into other life that is out there
in the universe. And the reason for that is I

(01:08:13):
have to assume this is me speaking that e T.
If they are advanced, then they have matured and grown
up on their journey just like we are, and they've
experienced the things that I'm talking about right where they've
gone through the things that we have. Does that mean

(01:08:37):
they would eventually get to the point of understanding the
afterlife and the potential of consciousness.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Well, let me just pose it another way. You know,
if you think of layers, like you know, time is timeless,
is way up here, you know, like no time, and
then it gets denser and denser and denser with time.
So to get denser and denser with time, you basically
would have to forget who you are. And the reason

(01:09:12):
for that is because you have to would forget the
magic trick of time and space. That makes sense. Once
you understand time and space, the magic trick won't work
on you anymore. So that's what we've done. So we
were at one time, say, at the consciousness level of
say Aliens, so to speak. But our species or our

(01:09:34):
consciousness goes, oh, I can create myself in more density
and that so we graduated deeper and deeper. So our say,
our species, our knowledge is literally the most advanced on
this planet. Because well, if you can imagine, like if
we went to Mars for example, right, we'd have to

(01:09:56):
be a pretty advanced civilization to colonize colonize Mars, right,
So the same thing here, we'd have to be an
advanced species to say, colonize time and space. That we
have the way we have it. I mean, look at
what we've done. It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
But we've also okay, all right, this is where I'm
going to turn it around on you. But we've certainly
managed to get dumber, you know what I mean, where
we let me let me let me phrase that a
little bit differently. It seems that we were really on

(01:10:31):
the path of understanding the inner self and consciousness and
in the mind and everything, and then we just let
it all go, and now we're struggling to get back
to what the ancients.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Knew, right, well, the ancients knew it, but they couldn't
materialize it in physical form. That's that's the only problem
hence our culture or civilization today. So are we actually dumber?
Or like I said, if you go to say, if
we if we started to colonize Mars, we'd be pretty

(01:11:05):
limited into our possibilities compared to what we are here
on Earth. So that's not really dumb. But that's just
you know, and then we'll.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
Start maybe dumb is too strong of a word. Yeah,
But but now today Massadi, I'm being very serious. Now
we have people like yourself that are helping us understand, uh,
what consciousness is and who we are. But there's there's
probably you know, seven billion people on this planet that

(01:11:35):
don't give a shit either and don't consider it. And
you are here to help facilitate this understanding. And that's
what I mean by dumb It's like we've forgot what
we had.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Yeah, and you forgot why you had to create or
render time and space because if you, like I said,
if you understood the magic trick, the magic trick wouldn't
work on you. Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Yeah, you could be all possibilities. So again pretty advanced.
So the key is, like I was saying, though, is
that Okay, you're here now you know that there's more
possibilities out there for you. How do you live at
that level of consciousness and still stay in physical form?
Now that's the idea, or that's the concept that we're

(01:12:22):
all here for what you know, what our purpose is
to understand time and space so strongly that we don't
that we say that we that we didn't forget our
original source of who we are. So again we did
get dumbed down. You're absolutely correct to again create this
this this reality, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Yeah, I mean I work really hard researching these subjects
and interviewing and and trying to understand. It's not like
I was gifted this knowledge of birth, you know, absolutely,
and had parents and and and and features and people
around me speaking of the other parts of life. No,

(01:13:05):
we don't have that growing up. We just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Well, we're starting to see you know that, you know,
we're starting to remember literally, say, where we came from.
And this is you know, somebody's saying, oh, we're from
this planet and that planet. Well, yeah, of course there
was different vein to say of say aliens or outside
of this realm. And again we offered or we we

(01:13:31):
got intelligent enough to create space and time so we
can render it here. But to do that, like I said,
we we forgot who we are. So our journey now
is is basically to re remember who we are and
then bring it here. The ancient, the ancient wisdom or
the ancient mystics, yeah, they saw what was out there,

(01:13:52):
but they didn't know how to bring it back here.
And this is where they tried, you know, ayahuasca and
like all those other planets medicines, but they still escaped
their reality here and they escaped it, you know, and
they went there, and that's what we're doing now with
like plant medicines on all that. It's like, I mean,
that's easy. I can take people without ayahuasca trips or

(01:14:14):
anything into those realms. But then how do you stay
in those realms and still stay conscious of this physical space?

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
Impossible? I would say I do that all the time.
You do because you're freaking Massadi man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
But here I help people do that, true, true, And
this is this is you know, Jimmy, this is where
their lives change, This is where things are more congruent
for them. This is where they don't have to get sick, right,
you know, And this is where they can make money
without destroying themselves or the planet.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
Right right, right, right right, yeah, yeah, I'm totally hip
to that. But I got to tell you, Hm, I've
done d MT twice, Okay, I haven't done a full ceremony.
That scares the crap out of me. I don't know
if I could do that for two or three days
and go through that, I would like to. It's a
time management thing. I can't do it. But the d

(01:15:06):
MT experience to me was so profound, it was insanely
life changing. I cannot stress that enough. And what but
my my experience. Wasn't on a journey of of self
awareness or self enlightenment or you know, I had daddy

(01:15:27):
issues I needed to work out or whatever. I didn't
have any of that. I went into it with like
what you did with your first ND, which was just
show me what I need to tell the world about
what And but absolutely, without question, stepped off of this

(01:15:49):
planet and this reality, this dimension, and into another reality
just as real, just as physical, just as everything that
this is here. And that was amazing to me, amazing,
amazing amaz I just so I can't imagine being in

(01:16:10):
both realities at the same time. I don't know how
that that's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Well, that's you. You're not in both realities. Your physical
body stays here, but your spirit or your timeless self, say,
renders itself at a higher level of understanding, and then
it reflects a pure version of who you could be here.
So we guide people in like d M. T or
Ayahuasca journeys. So because because when you go into those realms,

(01:16:37):
you know, you your brain gets numbed down and you're
in the sea of consciousness without a without a you know,
without a rudder or a motor. You're just kind of
floating depending on, say, what you believe in. And you know,
so if you're believing in distortion, uh, then you get
this in a realm of distortion. So what we do

(01:16:59):
is we guide people. I think you'd have a great time, Jimmy.
You know, it's like we guide people. We put you
on autopilot. So when you do have a d MT
experience or ayahuasca experience, you go up there and you
start to remember who you truly are without all the distortions.
And the cool thing about that is that you can
bring those memories more coherently in this reality.

Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
For you, is that is that how Faye got so cool? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Well, she was always cool.

Speaker 5 (01:17:28):
She was always like that, wasn't she.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
I hope she's laughing right now. Man, she's cool. She's cool. Yeah.
But here's here's the other thing for me, I want
to ask you about this. I went into uh my
first d MT experience a little nervous. Yeah, I read
everything and you know, and and to experience another reality.

(01:17:54):
It was, you know, it was a little scary, a
little intimidating to me. It turned out to be so cool, fun, amazing, warm.
It was from the very instant, from the very beginning,
as nervous as I was, that all went away in
an instant, and I couldn't believe how how fun it was.

(01:18:22):
It's fun the right word. Yeah, no, no, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, expensive it was.

Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
It was amazing. And I went back and I did
it a second time shortly after that, an extended session,
by the way, compared to my first one, and that
was equally as amazing. And this is this is my
question to you. You mentioned Egypt earlier when the first

(01:18:51):
time I got back from Egypt, not the first time.
That's wrong. This one trip I got back from Egypt.
The last thing I did in Egypt before on the
plane was I went into the King's chamber by myself.
I had the Great Pyramid to myself, all alone, all right.
So then I come out of that, I go to
the airport, I fly back to la you know that flight, right,

(01:19:14):
twenty four hours and I get back to La I
go upstairs, I dropped my luggage and I go, well,
today I was in the King's chamber right yelling. You
can't yell on the plane, you can't yell at Giza,
but you can yell in your house, right, yeah, Okay,
After the DMT experience. Yeah, first time I came home,

(01:19:38):
I couldn't believe I drove home right, And so I
drive home, I go upstairs into my bedroom and I go, oh,
what to another world? That was how I interpreted it.
Just you know what I mean? And it is like that,
isn't it? You are in another place, period, full stop.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've done DMT a couple of times,
and each time is quite amazing. My ability is really
accelerated because again, you you escape this realm, you escape
your identity of who you are, You access the possibilities,
and you bring it down into this reality. It's a
beautiful state.

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
Sure. Sure, the next time I do it, I'm gonna
approach it a little bit differently instead of being so
mechanical with it. You know, Teacher, show me what I
need to know. You know, you know what I did
ask my guide? You know what I asked my guide.
And she's behind me talking to me. I never looked
at her, but she's behind me, and she's real cool. Uh,

(01:20:44):
both both in same person, by the way, same guide
both times that I thought that was pretty interesting. Anyway,
I ask her, we're walking and I go, uh, oh,
run a boat on a ship and I'm talking to her.
She's behind me, and I goes, so, what about the
robot aliens? Right? You know what she says to me, Yeah,

(01:21:09):
not right now. I was like, oh man, it was
a little a little bummed up. We moved down from
it pretty quickly, but it was pretty pretty interesting. Her response,
you know, that's not what we're doing right now. You
wanted a tour. We're giving you a tour. You're you're

(01:21:32):
not really I think what she was saying was, you're
not ready for that yet. Yeah, yeah, you're not not
ready for that yet. But it's like that, isn't it
where you can go you go to Egypt and then
you come back here and you come home and you
realize that you were just in another land, another world.

(01:21:53):
And that's that's what d MT showed me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
And you know when we did go to Egypt, you know,
we went into the King's chamber, you know, our group did,
and I actually brought in the frequencies and back then
and it was amazing knowledge that got downloaded on that
and obviously very different than what the what the guides
tell you, you know what, all that stuff is very very different.

Speaker 5 (01:22:22):
Yeah, when I was in the King's chamber. This is
what I did. I was alone. I'm not going to
get into details about the personal stuff, but I did
do one thing. I get out of the box. I
get I was laying in the box. Yeah, so I
get out. I'm alone, right, So so I get out

(01:22:42):
of the box and I go to the far wall
away from the entrance. Right. The entrance is behind me
right here. So I'm at the far wall and I
went up and I started to ground against it, you know,
like assume the position. Right. I put my hands up,
spread my legs out, and I just stood there. And
this is what happened. Man. I know it sounds crazy

(01:23:04):
not to you, but I felt the power. I felt
it come down my hands, I felt it go through
my body, out of my feet, up my feet back
out through. I felt the frigging electromagnetic whatever thing that
is going on in there. I did that for about

(01:23:26):
thirty seconds. I had to take my hands off like
I was. I was getting sucked in. It was pretty incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
So that happened to me. When you know that little
whatever it is casket or whatever, you know, you lay
in there. So I laid in there and started meditating.
I started humming, and you know, my voice was the same,
say pitch as you know the granite casket. And to me,
it I got so scared because it's like, shit, I'm

(01:23:54):
going to disappear. I thought I was just going to
go out there. I go, well, God, if I disappeared,
am I gonna come back? So I stopped humming right there.
But it was quite amazing. I was I wash. My
body was just like melting, and I was just fading
into that that reality. And you do feel the power
or maybe an antenna, you know, that's exactly a different conscious. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:24:20):
it was amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
It was amazing to me too. Like I said, I
took my hands off the wall. I could tell that
I was. I was seconds away from something that was
way out of my control. And yes, and and out
of my uh uh, out of my pay grade? Right
man alive?

Speaker 6 (01:24:40):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
I kind of want to stay here though, if we can.
Oh oh oh oh. I don't allow the chat room
to dictate the show, okay, but this was just sent
to me from one of my producers. So let me
pop this up. Okay, ask Massadi about the crystal skull. Oh,

(01:25:00):
do you know what he's talking about and this is
from mel by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Yeah, So the there's a Mitchell Hedges skull, if you're
familiar with that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
I did a session with.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
So there's I believe there's thirteen of them. The thirteenth
one hasn't been found. I think the guy's name is Bill.
He's got the Mitchell Hedges skull. Uh So the first
time I, you know, went there and you know, did
a session with with the Mitchell Hedges skull. You know,
you put your hands on there, and I got so

(01:25:36):
much download on how everything worked or whatever that civilization
was about. And you know, I was telling Bill, I
saw this and this and this and this and this,
and it was quite amazing. How accurate was It's like, yeah,
that's what it is. That that's what it is. So
the skulls are literally it's almost like a chip device
where it's just like ancient knowledge was buried. Pretty amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
I have a I don't know, I have maybe twenty
or thirty skulls. I don't know. I love them, every
one of them. And I know, man, I write a
Harley and I know how crazy this sounds coming out
of my mouth, but it's true. I picked them up

(01:26:23):
and every one of them is different.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Yeah, I have this one. Wow, this is obviously really
it's really really cool. The story behind it. You can
go to YouTube and get the story. But this was
really really dark and Nasim Harriman, I don't know if
you know, like he handed it off to say this

(01:26:48):
woman that you know gets into Crystal Skulls is like,
here take it. Because at the time this was creating
havoc for him and he didn't know he was getting
into altered reality all that. I mean, his lab was
going crazy with this. So he literally he was going crazy.
He got rid of it, so to speak, and he

(01:27:09):
gave it to this woman. And then that woman in
her neighborhood, animals started dying, they got into altered states.
Their daughter was all messed up. So she called me
because she was one of our clients. She called me.
It's like, I don't know what's going on, you know,
you know, I picked this thing up so and it
was the coolest thing. So I was there in LA

(01:27:31):
and it's like, well, we'll stop by and here it is.
So I cleaned this up and it was really cool,
the the information that I got from it. And I'll
just briefly say that you know, it was creating havoc
for the reality that it had, and I'm going, why
are you doing that? And it's like, well, that's what

(01:27:52):
humans want. They want havoc because that's what humans and
that's basically what AI does. Now it's like, it'll create
havoc because it just learned from our past, right, So
this this consciousness, uh literally was creating habit. It's like, well,
that's the gift that we're giving to humans. I go, well, no,
humans just don't know what they want. They want to
actually be healed. And you can tell the difference again

(01:28:15):
if you go to the YouTube video. It's not the
best you know, quality because because there's just raw video,
but you can see the presence of how dark it was.
And now it's like after after that moment, it's like, oh,
humans actually want to clean up their distortions and you know, reawaken.
It's like, yeah, so so now when people touch this,
it's like, gosh, I feel really really clean with it.

(01:28:38):
It was quite It was an amazing experience.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
I had two skulls or I still have them, but
I had two skulls that were complete trouble makers. And
again I know, I know, I know this sounds crazy,
but yeah, I know, but it doesn't change the reality
of what I went through. And I had one that
I still have it that would I loved looking at it.

(01:29:03):
So I put it in my bedroom next to my TV,
which is at the foot of my bed. It was
the roughest two weeks of dreams like in my life,
and I was say, you got to go, You're out
of the you know, so I you know, I put
him downstairs. Dreams cleaned up and it was just one

(01:29:24):
of those thing where I realized and then I've got
this other one. Uh uh Brazilian courts, just an incredible
that was gifted to me. That dude was moving stuff,
causing trouble, you know. And I know what this sounds like.

(01:29:46):
So what I ended up doing is I keep them
all together at the same spot. That's what I do.
That's my I don't put anything next to my bed,
I don't put anything under my pillow, you know what
I mean. I keep them isolated.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Yeah, if you learn how to communicate, you know, through
that frequency that they're at, they could actually guide you.
They can actually open up intelligence for you. By the way,
they're highly intelligent. I mean, these are, like I said,
memory chips. They can tap into that, say, that culture
or experience. I know, I know, I know it'll clean.

Speaker 5 (01:30:28):
I just have my own way. It's weird. I have
my own way of dealing with it. Look, look, I
love crystals. I have my crystals right in front of me.
They sit here in front of the I have crystals
throughout my house. I have them in my living room,
my bath, entry way. I have them throughout the house,
and and I love them. They are not allowed in

(01:30:51):
my bedroom. That's my rule.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
I can see why.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Yeah, that's my rule. And I know how crazy that's.
It's just the way.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
It's not crazy at all.

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
Do you align your house with them?

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
No, I do that without crystals.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
I can.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
I can just do that frequency wise, like you know,
if you walk into a hotel. Sometimes my my son
calls me up as like, Dad, this place is haunted.
He was in he was in you know, Europe, in Turkey,
and it's like Dad, can you clean us up? And
you know, and you just reset. He's very sensitive two things.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
So yeah, yeah, Bruns said, skulls are cool, just not
in my house. I'd like I think that they are
amazing and oh totally crystals. The properties of crystals and
and how they are formed and how old they are.
I'm a firm believer. And everything is recorded, every everything

(01:31:53):
is recorded, nothing goes away, And crystals are probably some
of the best instruments we have of doing that, of
recording the past and recording information.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Yea crystal's record, not like you know, a microchip or
something that actually hold down to say, logistics of time
and space. So they'll they'll hold on to a memory
or like an IP address. That's how crystals like hold
on to memory. So like if I held the crystal,

(01:32:28):
I don't need to but if I held the crystal,
I could literally like replay, say what it picked up
around the around your house, or like if jewelry, for example,
does that too. You know I can hold you know,
a piece of someone's jewelry. I wouldn't have to know
anything about it. It's like, oh, this person is this,
this this, so it is it is a memory storage unit.

(01:32:51):
It's interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
I know I asked you this before, but that's such
a great point. I asked you. Everybody just let and
this is when Massadi and I are alone, just talking,
all right. So Massadi. I hope, I'm not throwing you
under the bush here. But I turned to you and
I asked you, I said, okay, when I said, I

(01:33:16):
think what I said was, dude, you got the friggin' gift, right,
And I probably was more colorful with my language at
that time. Yes, but I said, you've got the gift.
When did you realize that you had the gift?

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Yeah? That was about a two years after my second
year death experience. I went through, you know, the dark
knights of the soul to me, and it's like, the God,
this reality sucks.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
I lost my house, lost the house, lost the wife, which,
thank God, because it was built on lies, it was
built on distortion, you know. So and then after that,
you know, this voice or the sound comes to me.
It's like, well, now that you've lost everything, you know,
what have you really lost? And it literally put me

(01:34:08):
into a different, say, dimension of time and space. And
from that point on, I've never looked back. And you know,
regained you know, you know, the wealth, regained the knowledge.
And that's where I started working on people. And in
the beginning, I started seeing like I would literally stop
people in the shopping malls and I go, oh, do

(01:34:31):
you have kidney issues? Because I could see what was
going on, you know, and just random people and it's like, yeah,
I do. Who the hell are you? You know? Or
it's like did your grandfather die you know, a month ago?
It's like yeah, but who the hell are you? It's
kind of weird, but you know, uh, because I was
because I was a programmer. I just wanted to see

(01:34:53):
if it was real and what the knowledge I was
picking up on. And that was a long time ago.
And now know I can like not just see what's
going on, but I can actually render people in different realities.

Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
Individual Do you screw up yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Uh? Well, I'm human, so yeah, I make mistakes, Yeah,
but I overcome them faster, quicker.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
Well that's my next question. You can't read my mind? Okay,
don't don't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Sorry, let me do the show?

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
Can I do the show? Can I do the show? So?
How do how do you go through that process when
you find yourself making a mistake?

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Uh? Well, you know, well, first of all, I don't
define it as say, a mistake, It's just an experience.
And then I ask myself as like, Okay, what programs
or patterns am I running? That I made this issue
that situation, and then so I delete the program or pattern,
and then the solution to solve that comes from a
very deep level, not a surface level, and then that

(01:35:57):
mistake never gets created again for me. So and that's
the key to successful highly successful people is like successful people,
they make a hell of a lot more mistakes than most,
but they don't make the same mistake twice. They learn
from it and then then move on. Most people, unfortunately,
they make the same mistake over and over and over again.

(01:36:17):
You know again, do you do.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
You feel that? Do you feel that? And this is
this is going deeper in this, that many make mistakes
and then get angry about it, and that successful people
successful people doesn't necessarily have to mean money, but people
that have figured things out more than most that they

(01:36:39):
get don't get mad and they don't get upset.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Exactly exactly, Yeah, because people who get angry at the situation,
it's usually like an external factor caused me to be
in this situation, So you're never in control in that respect.
But yeah, successful people outside of money, successful as like
higher resonance individuals. They'll go, oh, that's a situation that

(01:37:06):
I find myself in Okay, so you're not associated to
the situation. That's just your experience that you find yourself in.
It's not you, it's not part of you. So people
are usually insecure. They make a mistake and it's like,
oh my god, people are going to laugh at me.
I can't believe I did that, because that's what their identity.

(01:37:26):
Their identity is really weak and it's based on say
physical concepts of self. But if you ascend to a
higher level, it's just an experience that you had. It's
just like trying out of food. You didn't like it,
you learn, you move on. You don't like sit there for.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
Days or eat that food again.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Yeah, or eat that food again. But some people actually
do that. People are in the same damn thing. It's like, well,
change your org then.

Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
Change it, then change exactly, and don't play the victim.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Don't do that exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Don't don't play the I One of the things that
I enjoy is twisted as this sounds, ye, I will
think about something crazy and bad that happened to me,
all right, and I'll go instead of like going, oh man, no,
I don't do that, I go that's where you were

(01:38:22):
on your journey at that time. It got you to
hear that's all it is. And that's that's my take online.
That's the only way to look. And so many fight
that feeling. They don't want to do it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
Yeah, they don't. They deny the opportunity that that experience.
If you look at I mean, people would look at
me and go, oh my god, I can't believe you
went through three near death experiences. It's like, well, you know,
those near death experiences gave me the gift of where
I am, and you know, just to take a step further,
you know, you render this reality depending on programming that

(01:39:00):
you have. So if you think of it next time
you make a mistake, you know, look at it. It's like, damn,
how did I make that mistake so perfectly that it
even fooled me? You know, you know what I mean.
It's like, damn. It's like creating a movie so perfectly
that you believed in your own movie. It's like, how

(01:39:20):
did I get everything so perfect? You know, if a
movie producer did that, it's like, damn, good job.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
Yeah, good writing. That tracks well exactly When when when
I get to that moment and and I know that
I've said these words to other people, and people have
said it to me where they go, well, didn't you know,
Well obviously I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Right, Well, yeah, and even if you knew, sometimes the
underlying program dictates that you have that experience. That's why
it's so important not you know, because people can change
their emotions and their mindset and all that stuff. But
the key is like, you changed the underlying program. So
so so when you do that, then that experience it's like, yeah,

(01:40:06):
you know you're getting into it. Then you also know
it's like, yeah, this is the last time I'll probably
get into it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
Trying to think of the TV series Hold On, It's
coming to me Abbott Elementary. Have you been watching that?

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Have you watching Abbot?

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
It's it's it's about an elementary school, and it's it's
it's really good. It's a it's a it's a comedy.
It's just why I know it sounds like, but you'll
love him anyway. There's a scene in the movie the
Janitor in the movie in the in the series, really
funny guy, older black guy that's done everything right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:40:43):
He served with Sir Lawrence of Arabia and he was
also the cook in the White House and he was
also an airplane pilot, but now he's a janitor at
an elementary school. Anyway, he tells everybody that he doesn't
know how to ride a bike, okay, never learned, and
so they decide they're going to teach them how to

(01:41:04):
ride the bike. It goes right back to the point
that you're making. You got to fall down on that
bike a lot before you you know, you're not an
expert out of the gate. You have to fail. You
have to fail if you're going to learn. And that's
that's the only way to look at.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Life, right absolutely, that's that is the only way. Otherwise,
you know, you bury yourself under the mistakes that you make.
That you could either create a strong foundation for you
mistakes that you make. You know, That's why I don't
call them failures. I just call them tiny successes. So
or you could again get get get buried underneath that,

(01:41:44):
or you know, the mistake that your parents made. You know,
a lot of people recreate the version of their parents
and they go, why is this happening to me? It's like, well,
you're copying your mom and dad's patterns. Don't stop it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:59):
Are we? I know this sounds left field, but it's
really not. Are we making a mistake with AI? Have
shouldn't we have learned a few lessons and not to
get ahead of our skis And are we getting ahead
of our skis with AI?

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
It depends. I mean, AI could be an accelerant to
save humanity, but AI is just replicating the distortions of
humanity basically. But you know which technology didn't just start?
AI just does it faster. I mean, look at medicines.
Back in the day, it was really it was really good.
It saved a lot of lives. But now it's like

(01:42:40):
the number two killer, you know, anything like benevolent Jimmy
that I was supposed to help help humanity. If you
look at it has turned detrimental or you know, created
the most destructive force. Look at religions, look at medicines,
look at the legal system, diet diets. Look at love.
For example, love kills a hell of a lot of people,

(01:43:03):
you know, although it's supposed to be benevolent, and then
you know, people go, god it. I just want to
spread love, you know, everywhere. But let me ask you something,
or the audience is like, what's your definition of love?
Usually it's like shit, I have to sacrifice myself. I
have to lose my identity, I have to be in
pain in order to love somebody. Is that the kind
of love that you want to spread out? So I

(01:43:25):
think we should literally define who we are as a society,
you know, have that lexicon of words, redefine our words,
and then that way, I think AI can be trained
to saytan, bring bring us back on track. Literally.

Speaker 5 (01:43:39):
I love is what drives the planet, is what drives
the universe. But it's not love, that's no. You know
what sucks about it is the breakup. It's all right, right,
right right? That is for all of the benefits and

(01:44:04):
the joy of love and the feelings that you have,
and it's amazing. That's why we fight for it and
look forward and we want to get those feelings back.
It's the breakup because that is more emotional and rougher
than the best joys of the love experience. And that

(01:44:25):
that's that's the part that freaks me out. It's the
ying and yang of the universe. Right. You can have
all the love, but man, when it's over, you get
it back, and it's and it's gonna be right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Well, it's it's a love is as a great magnifier,
just like love wealth. You know, children, they just magnify
your distortions, like you know, like you're like you're saying,
you know, you like somebody, and then the moment you
realize that you're in love with somebody, that's where all
your bullshit that you hit away comes out and they

(01:44:58):
go and then you start going like what if they
don't like me? What if they don't like the parents?
What if they find out that I did you know
ayahuasca journey and what if they you know, what if?

Speaker 5 (01:45:07):
What if?

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
What if? And they hide their distortions. But in consciousness,
basically it's like, hey, you guys are falling in love.
That's fantastic. In order to stay in love and make
it a beneficial experience, you have to get rid of this, this, this,
this and this. But people don't get rid of their bullshit.
You know, they double down on it. They hide it,
they try to justify it, they try to do all

(01:45:29):
that stuff, and then people go, oh god, love is
so crazy, and love is you know, God is mean
and all that stuff. It's really not. You just need
to you know, if you're in that state of say, magnificence,
then you need to get rid of your bullshit, otherwise
that pain will magnify for you.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
Why why do why do women understand love better than men?
I was, I was out to dinner. Well, hold on,
hear me out. You just hear me out on this,
all right. I'm not a philosopher, but damn I could
write it book.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
I wrote it.

Speaker 5 (01:46:01):
So I'm out to dinner. This is maybe six weeks ago.
I was gonna say last month, but six weeks ago.
And I'm at a table with a bunch of women.
All right, it was me. I don't know if there's
another guy anyway. So I'm listening to these two women
next to me talk. That was great, and one of

(01:46:24):
them says to the other, wow, he's amazing. They saw
somebody on the other side of the room, some guy,
and chick number two says to her, I almost choked
on my food. She goes, Honey, somewhere there's a woman saying,

(01:46:44):
I can't get this dude out of my life, Like wow, truth,
you know what I mean? Wow wow? And that's it
was a really interesting understanding of the concept. Yeah, it
was pretty profound, innocent and funny at the time, but

(01:47:05):
pretty deep.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Yeah, I totally get it. You know, there's there's a
lot of women that you know love say a guy's
French accent, and then you start to hate that guy.
You know, that guy you know, you know burns you
and it's like, God, I can't stand your accent.

Speaker 5 (01:47:21):
Damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
It's the same thing, right, what you fell in love
with probably is what you hate most about that person
after you know that love dies down. But but just
to help people out what you see in that other
person or what you hate in that other person, just
just remember that you're running a reflective or a complimentary

(01:47:45):
or an impressive pattern that dictates that you are connected
to that person. So always look inside yourself. If you're
not liking something about somebody, you're probably running one of
those patterns. And it's like shit, if you don't like that,
then what is it in you that's allowed you to
attract somebody or other people like that?

Speaker 5 (01:48:02):
Yeah? Why is that?

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Well? Underlying patterns and people follow their emotions, and I
always say, you know, don't trust your emotions. Just it
recalibrate them, because people follow their emotions and then get
into the strangest situations and then they go God, it's
God's problem or it's this problem. It's like, no, your
underlying program dictates what your emotions will guide you towards.

(01:48:26):
So understand your emotions and don't follow them right away,
but calibrate them and go God. The last time I
followed my emotion in my heart, you know, I got
stuck in this relationship that you know, buws the hell
out of me. It's like, Okay, what did I do wrong?
And then just reanalyze that, Just ask ask yourself a
lot of questions and never you can always blame the

(01:48:47):
other person, but you don't have power over the other person.

Speaker 5 (01:48:49):
Why do we have that fear? We have that fear?
You know, the same thing applies to people have fear
of bliss. You know, people have fear of true happiness.
They know deep inside what what what would make them
happy and blissful, but they won't chase it and they

(01:49:12):
won't do that with another person. It's like a fear.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
Well, they're afraid of seeing, say, the distortions or the
lies that they're living to me. You know, because because love,
like I said, purifies things, True love purifies things, and
people aren't a lot of people they're not really ready
to go shit. I fucked up or I'm a fuck

(01:49:36):
up or you know what I mean, or you know,
I'm carrying my parents' patterns. And then you know, like
people go, love is messy. Love is this, and you know,
even even like self love, for example, what is self love?
Most like, if you get abused by other people, you

(01:49:57):
mostly will abuse yourself as well, because it's a pattern
that dictates that runs in you, it's not other people.
So in that case, like self love is like, well,
how are you loving yourself? Are you abusing yourself? Because
because especially maybe that person that says self love, they
literally start to say people short change them, whoever that is.

(01:50:18):
And then internally, if you're alone, you short change yourself.
So self love doesn't really work. So again, look at
your definitions that you know you put upon things.

Speaker 5 (01:50:29):
Why does humanity in general it's not certainly with everybody,
but yeah, why does humanity in general enjoy somebody else's failures?
They if they see if somebody sees I know, I know,
if somebody sees you and Fay and your happiness, there's

(01:50:50):
somebody out there going, man, that's bullshit, you know, or
you get that all the time. Yeah, successful career or
you know you're just smalling and things are cut and yeah,
people when you stumble, people enjoy it. Why why is
that you break up? Right? You get divorced and.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
They re, oh, totally, I've had that happen. I've had
that happen with Feana I or you know, you get
successful and then people put crappy things on the internet
about you to tear you down. It's so easy, you
know nowadays. You know, I'm sure you've experienced that too.
You know it's a sign of success. But you know,
I think a lot of times is like, you know,

(01:51:33):
they're at a low level. You were probably at that
level and then you rose, but they stayed the same.
But to them, because you rose, they look worse off
than where they were before. So what they'd have to
do is like, shit, that person exposed the truth of
who I really am. You know, but in a sense
it's actually beneficial for you. But people don't know how

(01:51:56):
to change and they'll go, oh, that it's because of
that person, And I feel I feel crappier than I am.
It's not the it's not the person's success, it's your
delusion of who you are. You know, you can elevate
to that same level as well.

Speaker 5 (01:52:09):
But if if most people could walk in my shoes,
anybody and just watch me throughout a day, just just
just just follow me around, you will see one thing.
I don't bitch. I don't complain. I don't go negative.

(01:52:31):
I don't absorb negative things into my life to throw
me off of my game. I truly, from the moment
I wake up to the moment I go to bed,
I smile, I'm happy, and I just do my own thing.
I don't I don't allow outside forces to to affect
my bliss. And it's it took me a long time

(01:52:53):
to get to this point. And you know me pretty well,
you know that's exactly how I am.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Of course, you know what I mean. Yeah, I think
that's why we you and I get along really well.
You know, even in the first time we met, it's like, damn,
my God's pretty cool because you know, we hold our
own identity. You know, we don't let you know, outside
distortions really, you know, mess us up. So it's like yeah,
and you know, if you mess up, it's like, yeah, okay,

(01:53:21):
let's fix it, rather than blaming others or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:53:25):
So how do we how do we teach that? How
do we how do we get people to understand that better?

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Well, start to notice and this is what I teach
in you know, the ten day courses and all that stuff.
But you start to notice, or you start to become
the observer of your emotions or the observer on how
you say, relate to people, not through your own mindset,
but you know, through spatial referencing, you know where again
you move beyond the mind and special referencing and it's

(01:53:59):
the coolest too. Whover Like, for example, you know, the
picture is over there, you know, and a point of
my body is here, you know. You know the sound
comes from over there, you know, and the tip of
my nose is here. It sounds really dumb, but try it.
Reference an object and then a point on your body,
and you literally will zone into the reality that you

(01:54:21):
should be created in or basically present moment in time.
And when you start to do that, you start to
become the observer on how you're rendering your life. And
then you start to go, shit, why am I doing
it that way? Or you go, shit, my mom did
it that way. Now now I know why. You know
I'm running the same pattern as my mom. You literally

(01:54:43):
start to say separate your identity of who you think
you are, just by spatial reference. Just guys, just do
that exercise. People have gone off their psychotic medications. Just
doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
By the way, one of my favorite people, I really
enjoy her. She just killed it for me. Me right now,
you ready, this is Esperanza, She says, I just bought
a peturely roll on today, Petulie roll on, Esbern, do
not do that around me. I'm just kidding, Petually. I

(01:55:18):
want to ask you that I want to end the
show on this note. You look amazing. We've had lots
of dinners together, yes, And I want to talk about
diet and food because well, I don't want to speak
about what I've seen on your plate, but it is
diet important to you because physically outside you look amazing,

(01:55:42):
and so does face, so does your family, right, everybody
is is that diet or something else? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
It's the frequency uh so, part of the part of
the you know, what we do is called the frequency
spas Jimmy where uh you know, and it's cool advanced,
say a technique where you know, say you're in here,
I'm sixty five, so but my test what yeah? Six?
But uh and there's no filters on this, but most

(01:56:11):
people would yes, you know, because you know all all
these filters that people put on. But the presence is
literally your time functions a lot of people. You know,
in the cellular structure, everything is based on time, and
your cells go, well, you're sixty five, and you know,
it sees how your parents were at sixty five, It

(01:56:32):
sees how society runs at sixty five, and then it
renders you at that stage. So once you start to
waken and you start to reference to I mean, you go, shit,
I don't want to age like that. So I've reset
myself back into you know, late thirties, early forties, and
blood tests and all that literally show that, and there's
so many people that actually can do that. You start

(01:56:53):
to age differently. And then and then when you start
to when you have that frequency or that you know,
basic setting, you eat properly. You don't have to force
yourself to eat properly. You just do. You know, you
don't have to force yourself to love yourself because if
you change that setting of just really understanding who you are,

(01:57:14):
you love yourself naturally. You don't force it. Again, that's
not a mental state, it's just it's just literally you
know your essence, so you change your presence or you
change your frequency, then you attract the right foods. And overall, guys,
just don't eat GMO foods. You know. I travel the
world and America is like literally one of the sickest

(01:57:36):
nations and their obesity is crazy compared to you know
the world outside the US. Just don't eat the GMO foods. Guys, overall,
do you know what I do?

Speaker 5 (01:57:52):
I know this sounds I cook? I mean I cook.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
I cook, Yeah, I could.

Speaker 5 (01:58:00):
I cook. I love, don't get me wrong, I love
in and out. Yeah I'm not saying, but I cook.
I cook, and I'm a good cook.

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
And got to invite me over, buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:58:15):
Whenever you're ready. Man, all right, no, I'm serious, man,
we got to go on a ride. Lea Fay at
home with.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
The kids, absolutely, gat.

Speaker 5 (01:58:28):
Yeah, we do need to go on that ride. So now,
what are you going to be speaking about a Conscious
life expo?

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
Actually, I will be taking questions from the audience. Uh,
and just answering, you know, is the way it is,
and not only like give you I'm not a you know,
like a no offense like a sod guru or somebody
like that that just gives you fluffy stuff. I mean,
great guy, but I give you like specifics on say
what's going on with you, and not only tell you

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what's going on with you, but help you, say, re
rewire yourself. And a lot of people will experience like
the changes like on stage. And you've seen this with
me before, right where I work on people on stage
and it's like shit, they radically change. So so yeah,
so that and I think that's the best way to

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get the information out there because I can talk all
I you know, all I want, but once people experience it,
you know, it's like damn, it really works. Kind of
like if I am explaining, say the scent of a flower,
but once you experience, you know, the scent of a flower,
it's a very different experience. So I just want people
to experience, you know, the possibilities of how fast they

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can change their lives.

Speaker 5 (01:59:41):
Crowd work. I love that. I love that. I'll see
you in a couple of months, my friend, and I'll
save travels to you and Fay and it's just like
last year, will go break bread and go hang out
and love our thing all right, love it, man. Thank
you so much. Give my best to Fade in the family.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
I will do that.

Speaker 5 (01:59:59):
You take care, talk to you Massadi everybody. Massadi's links,
thank you so much. Sir Massadi's links are below on
our website and throughout social media. And that is that
great conversation. Tonight Tomorrow night is Julia Mosbridge is with
US neuroscientist and she's got a new book out on disclosure,

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and so we're going to talk about a lot of
stuff the brain and her important work, but also why
a disclosure book now for us and how to deal
with this. So that's tomorrow night. I'm fade to Black.
I'll see everybody then, but for now, all I've got
is go Beckley Teppy.

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