FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Dave Schrader

Tonight, radio and TV host Dave Schrader joins us for a Very Dave Christmas!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:28):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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Speaker 1 (00:44):
I occasionally think how quickly our difference is worldwide would
vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside
this work.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
This is Day to Black.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
It's your host, Jimmy Church on the Game Changer Radio Network.
A right good evening. How you doing? How you doing?
It's fade to black. Yeah, And today is Tuesday, December
twenty third, twenty twenty five. Let's do this man, I'm

(01:22):
your host, Jimmy Church. Merry Christmas, everyone, Yeah, yeah, Merry Christmas.
Here we go, and just in time for Christmas. We've
got a storm rolling in right now and it already
hit northern California.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
It is here in southern California and it is going
to right there. Talking about all the normal stuff, floods,
this that apocalyptic biggest storm of the year and all
that stuff. We're expecting five to ten inches of rain
over the next two to three days and it's gonna
last through Christmas all the way into Friday morning. So

(02:03):
and the possibility of snow in the mountains. You know,
if it gets cold enough, that's going to be cool.
We may have a semi white Christmas. But there you go.
I really appreciate the seasons, right, I live in the desert.
We've got rain on Christmas. Good enough for me, all right,
all right, So we had a short week this week

(02:24):
on Fay to Black. Monday night, I had a Christmas party.
Tonight we have Dave Schrader here for a very Dave
Christmas and then of course Tomorrow night and Thursday night Christmas,
even Christmas Day, we are off air, going to be
out there wearing my Santa hat and visiting friends and
family and doing my thing. Tonight, I'm wearing my Harley

(02:48):
Davidson Santa long sleeve shirt. Right it's got Santa on
the arms and snow and sleighs powered by Harley Davidson.
I might add that I'm going to be wearing. I'm
gonna go on and do my gift stuff and yeah,
it's going to be great, So enjoy and just make

(03:08):
sure it's mary. Have a great, say fun and merry
Christmas and let's get the show going. I'm excited. Dave
Schweider is here. My next event coming up is the
Conscious Life Expo February twentieth through the twenty third, twenty
twenty six at the lax Hilton. Tickets, information, everything that
you need to know are below. This will be my

(03:29):
tenth eleventh year I think, hosting this event, which is
the largest conference of its kind in the world. We
have somewhere between twenty and twenty five thousand attendees. It's
a lot of fun, it's big, it's great. Every you know,
every subject that you want to investigate or go and

(03:51):
get some knowledge on is covered there. What is amazing
when you have one or two hundred speakers like they do,
you get choices and sometimes they conflict. Do I do this?
And this? Are both at the same time, They're both great?
What do I do? You know? It's good to have
to make a decision like that, and you will be

(04:11):
doing that a lot at the Conscious Life expos So
tickets and schedule and speakers and everything are below. On
our website and throughout social media. Just go to Consciouslifeexpo
dot com. All right, all right, let's get to it.
I'm excited Dave Schrader is here. It is a very
Dave Christmas tonight. Yeah, because Dave's got a gift that

(04:36):
keeps on giving now and we're gonna be talking about
that tonight. He has got so much investigation behind him,
and what I enjoy not only his success, but we
are friends, and I love to see a friend just
do well, and he does well because people resonate with him.

(04:57):
And I've been following Dave for a long time. We
worked together for five or six years over a coast
to coast, maybe seven years over a coast to coast.
I've been a guest on his show. He's been a
guest on this show many times. And what I really
enjoy is not only the paranormal side of Dave, but

(05:21):
everything else that comes along with it, including the true
crime stuff that he has covered over the years. It
always keeps my attention. It's about high strangeness with Dave Schrader,
for sure, but now he's the co owner of the
Palmer House Hotel, one of America's most haunted locations. That's right,

(05:47):
Dave has got it going on. So we're going to
talk about that. That's the gift that keeps on giving
for Dave Schrader, that and so much more. I would
like to welcome back to Fate to block than one
and only my good friend Dave Schrader's right there, Dave.
Happy holidays, my man.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Happy holidays to you and all of your lovely fateer nots.
Thanks for having me on. You're the best, man, You're
the best. Are you guys all set up? Are you
guys set up? Are you guys festive at the house?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
No, we're not right now actually, because I'm moving from
where I live up to Saux Center, Minnesota, where the
hotel is. So it's been a lot of sporadic back
and forth. But I just got a Christmas tree. We're
popping it up after the show tonight so that it's
ready for tomorrow when all the kids come over open

(06:34):
the gifts, and then we're, you know, probably heading back
to the Palmer House on Christmas morning.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
When do you make the big move.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's been a slow progression, Winnie. My wife is living
up there and running it. I of course will be
popping in and out and doing as much as I
can while I can, but I'm still going to be
on the road doing what I do, and investigating and
going to lectures and presentations at all kinds of fun events.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Well, we'll get to all of that. It is Christmas,
and I'm sure you guys have snow, right Oh.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we don't minnesnowa yeah, min of snow.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
We don't. We've got rain coming in. But it is
the holiday season, and I wanted to ask you a
strange question. Okay, what is your merriest Christmas memory? Do
you have one one that stands out?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
You know, I always had one that was kind of
my favorite. I think it's just a little bit this
year just because I, you know, sadly, my father passed
away on the fourth of July this year, suddenly, unexpectedly,
but exactly as he would have wanted to go, like
a thief. In the night, he went to bed and
just never woke up.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
So yeah, yeah, but again, that's the way we should
all go. We should all be that lucky, right yep.
So I think thinking about this last few days, really
it's the culmination of little things for many Christmases. You know,
I was the kid that was probably polar opposite of most.
You couldn't get me up in the morning to open

(08:13):
up presents. My parents would you know, They'd be waking
up at five o'clock checking their watches waiting for me.
They were early risers, and about seven o'clock finally my
dad would come grab me and carry me upstairs and
set me in front of the Christmas tree. Then Mom
would put a gift in my lap and start tearing
the paper for me, and I'd start coming to and

(08:33):
then you know, be awake for the whole thing. My
dad had start singing Elvis's Blue Christmas and then he'd
put the album on and we just have a great time.
So it's little moments like that, and the moments of
playing cards together and just the laughter and the love
that we all shared. So that this year is really
kind of what I remember is just you know, this
in the first year as a human being on this

(08:56):
planet that I've I'm walking at without one of my parents.
So it's a very weird, weird time. But I'm so
blessed to have had them for such a long period
of my life. And I'm lucky because I'm a father.
I've got eleven kids, ten grandkids, and yeah, so I
get to I get to continue to live on and

(09:16):
hopefully create memories with them like my father and mother
created with me.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I can't even digest that statement. I can't even I
can't even mark eleven kids.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I can't. And only three of them have reproduced, so
out of three, I've got ten grandchildren already. So oh, man,
my daughter and Nicole, she's thirty. She's grown up to
be just a beautiful, wonderful, smart, accomplished woman.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
She's amazing. What's your favorite But we'll get to that
in a second. It's about her, actually, But here's the thing.
She kids my grandchild. My right as a human being,
my right as a parent. We have fundamental rights, and
one of them is to have grandkids. I don't even

(10:05):
you know. And I'm I mentioned today, honey, Okay, quit
farting around. Okay, let's let's get that. And and I
you know, and bless her, you know, she's she's happy.
I just I don't know. I don't I would put
words in her mouth if I said something about this,

(10:26):
because we really haven't taught. I've thrown her the hints,
but she hasn't come back with anything. So I don't know.
I don't know, man, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
The days there are days I'm so excited to have
that many children. And then there's those days that I'm
very Jimmy Stewart and it's a wonderful life walking around
going well, I want did we decide to have all
these kids? Anyway, So riends on the time of year,
in the day.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
So my favorite isn't from my childhood. My merriest Christmas
memory was when I became a father and Nicole's mom, Kathy,
my wife at the time, we got divorced right after
Nicole was born, so I was a single dad.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
And when I.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Say right after, it was like when she was six
months old, we got a divorce, and so I was
like a legit single dad. Anyway, I couldn't wait to
whip out the Christmas right and just get it all,
you know, for her, Charlie Brown Christmas to Roodolph and

(11:35):
all of that stuff too, you know who Sannah was,
and the Christmas tree and decorating it and putting the
stockings on the fireplace and doing all of that stuff.
And it was amazing and to watch the wonder on
her face. But so three years go by and I'm
bat in a thousand, man, it's just all great. Every

(11:55):
Christmas morning, she's coming out and so is she's three,
she's she's getting smart and she's observed. So anyway, Christmas moment,
we unwrap all the gifts and she's playing and the
stockings are still stuffed and they're on the fireplace. Said, oh,
we forgot about the stockings. And she looks at the fireplace.

(12:17):
She looks at the stockings, and she looks at me
and she goes, Dad, how does Santa get down the fireplace?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Just like that?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
And I like, this is the moment I've been waiting for.
It's happened. It's happened. I get to you know, and no, honey,
it's it's magic. Santa is magical. And oh okay, she
wasn't buying what I was selling, you know what I mean.
But I kept it going for another year or two.

(12:48):
But it was really funny. She's looking at the fireplace,
she's looking at me, looking at.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
The fire Dad.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
And that's my favorite Christmas memory, man.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
And that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a tear
in my eye just how Ai comes to life and
you get to watch the moment, oh.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Man, you know, watching her run out into the living
room or come into my bedroom, right, Sanna came, Sanna came,
Oh he did. Yeah, there's stuff under the tree, you know.
And I'm running out. I'm like, this is what it's about,
you know, and and wow, now I want to do

(13:27):
it with grandkids. You know? How long? How long did
you keep how long were you able to keep it
up with your kids?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Keep?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
What up? Jimmy, Sanna?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay? I love you man. That's Dave Schrader right there. Church, don't.
I don't know what you're talking about. They're running around
right now, Church, shit shit up.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
So it's been but I will tell you real quickly, sure,
since we're talking fantastical creatures. I had a great moment
with my son when he was probably about four or
five years old, and I went right around the age
he starts losing teeth, and I went to pick him
up from his mom's to come to my house for
the weekend, and he was sitting there with his arms

(14:11):
fold across his chest, just looking really mad at the world,
more mad than a kid should look, right, And I go,
what's wrong, buddy? And he goes, so I lost a tooth.
And I said okay, and he goes, yeah, So I
took it home, and I put it in a plastic
baggie like we do because the toothray it doesn't want to
be fishing around for just this little nugget, this little tooth.

(14:34):
You put it in a plastic bag so she can
find it, because if she finds it, she leaves money. Right.
If she can't find it, she's out the door. She's
got a lot of houses to it. So he said,
I put it in my plastic bag and I put
it under my pillow, and I couldn't fall asleep. I
was so excited, Dad, and I'm like, wow, that's great,
and he goes, no. Then I heard somebody coming, so
I closed my eyes, but I was peeking and it
was my stepdad and I said, oh, well, what happened? Next?

(14:59):
He goes, he crept into my room, Dad, and then
he reached under my pillow and then he left, and
I said, oh, jig's up right, And I go, what
what does that make you feel? And he goes makes
me mad, and I go, why are you so mad?
And he goes because I think he's getting more from
my teeth and he's only leaving me a dollar. So

(15:22):
my son thought there was some big black market tooth
cartel going on out there, and his stepdad was like
Tony Soprano and figuring out his way of getting his cut.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
So Dave Schrader is going to be at Sir Laughs
a lot in Minnie Napolis all week, great comedy club,
and you're opening for Bill Burr, right, I don't.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Know we'd be a little friction. I think between the
two of us, one cynical, angry guy and one jolly
fat old man.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
So yeah, Bill Burr I think has a heart of gold.
He has figured out a way of his path in
a very difficult thing, which is the world of comedy.
I think you know and you you build. When a
comedian hits the stage and does their thing, are we

(16:12):
seeing them or are we seeing an act? And there
are some comedians where you're not seeing an act, like
Dave Chappelle. I think that's Dave, right, I think I
think that's Dave when he wakes up, that that's Dave. Bill,
I hope it's an act.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
I don't think it is, brother.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I think Bill bur oh man, he makes me laugh, man,
Bill Burr makes me laugh for real. But yeah, the
there's something else that I want to ask you about
This is a paranormal question about Christmas. Okay, the origins

(16:53):
of Christmas? The origins? There are any different versions of it?
And the world stops for this month and we seem
to be friendlier and nicer, and it's a great time

(17:13):
and the lights and it's just the technically, it's just
festive and it's so cool. But what are the origins
of Christmas? Is it a religious thing? You know, Mary, Joseph,
the Manger, Jerusalem, the Three Wise Men and gold frankinsense

(17:35):
and Myrrh and following the star in the sky is
it that? Is it something that came later? Is it
a pagan thing? Is it a commercialized thing since the
Industrial Revolution? When you look at it yourself as an adult,
where do you think the origins of Christmas are?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
See? I think that's what's so beautiful about it. It's
like loving the paranormal. There's no one right answer. And
the fact is that there are so many things that
tie together. Obviously it's based on many different belief systems
and the time of year and the solstice, and then
you've got the story of the birth of Christ, which

(18:16):
obviously I think they said he's probably born more like
in May or June. But they've just adapted to this
kind of overtake of what used to be a pagan holiday.
But again, there's been a lot of misrepresentation or misunderstanding
to a lot of the things that were done. So
I think it's just become a really beautiful time of
year that all of the belief systems can coexist and

(18:37):
we all find something that brings us together. And really
what it is is love, family and joy, and you
can get past all the rest. And everybody's saying, oh,
it's materialistic and it's commercialized. Everything is. Everything is, but
the way it makes you feel and the way it
makes you feel when you're with your family. I've been
on those Christmases when I've only been able to get

(18:58):
a couple of gifts for the kids under the tree,
and I've been lucky enough to be there for those
Christmases when I have a whole bunch of gifts under
the tree, and it really isn't just about the gift giving.
It's about those moments of watching the kids come together
and laugh and play and not fight for two hours
while we're opening presents and getting along and smiling and laughter.

(19:19):
So to me, I think there's a lot of different
elements to what Christmas is and what it means now.
And that's why I don't necessarily feel like I need to,
Like with the paranormal, I don't need to define any
one thing. I think there's so many subtle variations that
it's cool to instead of just focusing on one thing,
stepping back and looking at the magic of all of
it working together.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
I was watching a documentary I watched a few, actually
over the last week about Christmas, and three different three
different takes, three different views. And then you even have
the movie, the documentary Zeitgeist, which I'm sure you've seen.
So I'm looking at these documentaries and I thought to myself, this,

(20:08):
why does it matter?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
What? Why?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Why?

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Why?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
What?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Why does this matter? Why would you put together a
documentary two.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
To bum people out?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Because what if your documentary is religious base and then
the people that aren't right? So now you're you're creating
or what if you are on the other side of
the fence and and you're paying in whatever you know
and you and you're what what does all of that matter?

(20:45):
It's it's a time where I feel good and everybody
else does you know? The lights on all the houses
on my street. I love pulling. Why do you want
to just put a damper on everybody's joy by questioning
the history of Christmas? And I just sat back and went, man,

(21:07):
it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to me,
And I hope that other people adapt that same mindset
that don't mess with my good time with my family.
We want to celebrate it the way we want to
celebrate it. And that was my takeaway. Is that a
ba humbug way to look at it? Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
No, I mean it's like, listen there, I've seen this
like Halloween has grown into something epic like Christmas. People
are excited about it, They decorate up for it. They
start October first, and then don't stop until November fifteenth,
right because of all the All Souls Day and everything
that kind of flows in between. I think it's really

(21:49):
kind of neat that people are seeking reasons to be excited,
to find that joy and happiness, and they want to
carry it with them much longer. And I think sometimes
people lose sight of it and they find their own
discomfort and they feel like I'm not happy and I'm
not fulfilled myself. So why should why is everybody else
in this mode? What is getting them there? And I wish,

(22:11):
you know, I know it's so cliche to say, I
just wish everybody could have that moment of peace. And
I know it's tough. This is a tough time of year.
It's tough in a lot of ways, right, But that's
why things like you were asking about the origins. That's
why the Christmas tree became so important. That's why the
swags and the wreaths became so important, because those items

(22:33):
showed that they could stand the test of time and
the elements, the brutal harshness. You were bringing in a
piece of magic, something that could withstand the worst winters
and still look beautiful and still had something to it.
And there was a power to that. And we forget
a lot of the reasons that we bring these things in.
We lose those moments. And I wish we would teach

(22:56):
more of that so that people are reminded of the
subtle gesture behind every little nuance that we do for Christmas,
and it would get people out of maybe that mindset
of feeling so commercialized and remember that there is something
bigger behind these moments and let's rejoice and enjoy those
moments together. I think too, there's you know, we all

(23:21):
get into a dark spot from time to time, and
some people choose to let this be the time of
year to do it because they think of all of
what they've lost. And that's why I love the movie
It's a Wonderful Life above any other holiday movie, because
I don't know that everybody really captures the beauty of
what this is. And it's not just about a desperate

(23:42):
man in a desperate moment. It's about seeing the bigger
picture and how we can influence and change people's lives
without even knowing about it. And when you remove that
one element, how everything collapses all the things you've put
in play, love or hate me. I've been in the
right place at the right time a lot of times

(24:03):
to make people meet. You know, I've been hosting events
for twenty years. There's probably been about a dozen people
that have gotten married at my events around my events,
met at my events, are having children now, maybe even
moving on to grandchildren. And you think, wow, had they
not come to Dave's event, those two would not have
crossed paths. They wouldn't have met. And it's not like

(24:23):
I'm patting myself on the back. But you start to
realize that we all have such an important role to
play and if we can get out of the feeling
that this is you know so much about loss and
start thinking about all the amazing things we've gained, and
start getting out of our head dealing with the pain
and find ways to make other people happy. I think

(24:44):
it catches on. I think it's like a virus, and
you start to feel it in your heart and and
your soul. And I've watched people do that for years.
We used to do the Darkness Angels where people I
would vet out four or five families and throw it
out to people and just say there's no oh commitment,
you can you don't have to do anything, or if
you want to do something, email me. And I talk

(25:04):
about a family and they would email me, and then
I would send them the family's information and who the
children were, what the parents were doing, and sizes, favorite toys, everything,
and it was up to that person to decide how
much they wanted to help. And I was blown away
when the families would send me these pictures of hundreds
of presents under their tree from total strangers. So I

(25:25):
think that's you know, if we could start getting more
into that mindset year round, Man, what a better world
this would be.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, for sure, for sure. There's another thing I don't
want to say preaching. I've been preaching this lately, but
because it sounds preachy in that. Yeah, darkness and dark
memories and dark places and things where they come back

(25:52):
for some people during the holiday season and you know,
Thanksgiving Day, you know, whatever it may be. And my
answer to that is, no matter what those those things
that went wrong in the past, that was something you
learned from right period. And I know it sounds so

(26:17):
easy to say, and it's worth No, It's part of
the journey every time. So this is my mantra. Now,
this is my mantra day anytime I've had enough bullshit
happened to me in my life, man, you know, I
mean crazy bad things and when they whenever it, you know,
pops into my head and you know the adrenaline rock man,

(26:41):
that really well, I stopped right there and go It's
part of the journey, that's all it was. It was
just that's where I was at that time during my journey.
But I'm here today and that was part of this
and that's that's my mantra, and I don't allow myself

(27:02):
to go into that darkness. It's just part of the
journey and it works for me. And if it works
for me, I think I just try it. Everybody.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Just try it.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
What it don't sull don't get stuck, don't play the victim,
don't go there, Just go a part of the journey.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
You know what I think happens. It builds like a cancer.
How many of us lose somebody and we never allow
ourselves to fully grieve, And then we lose a job,
and we never fully grieve, and we lose a pet,
We never fully grieve, and we hold on to so
many of these chunks that sometimes they need to come out,
and I think we feel weak when we let them out.
A lot of people do. And then that's what builds

(27:44):
up and stacks up on your shoulders, and that's when
you collapse into these depressive modes. It happens to all
of us. That's natural, that's human. You're not a bad
person if you're dealing with those moments. But I like
to try to remember that it's not those moments that
I fall down that defines who Strader is. It's the moment,
I stand back up, brush myself off, and say, all right,

(28:04):
what's next. And I've tried to adopt the plot twist
theory and I find that it helps me out in
a lot of ways. When something really throws me off
my course, instead of allowing it to completely careem me
and crash me, I just say, plot twist, what comes next?
You know? What was that surprise? Where are we gonna?
You know? Did the butler do it? Let's keep walking

(28:25):
down this path and see what happens next. And sometimes
that keeps me from falling down the hole. And it
isn't always easy, but it's to me, it's so much
better than allowing yourself to find these moments to wallow,
but allow yourself to grieve fully, allow yourself to feel feelings.
So many people bottle things up. I can't. Oh jeez,

(28:48):
I can't cry. I'm dad, I'm grandpa, I'm husband, I'm brother,
I'm I'm a man of you know, a figurehead on
radio and preparanorm you get to know very much who
I am. I get weepy, you know. I did a
Christmas show last night for my show Paranormal sixty, and
at the end I got really choked up, and you know,
part of it's embarrassing and part of it's like, but

(29:10):
it's human. It's who I am, and I shouldn't be
ashamed of the fact that I feel emotional about good,
good things and wanting people to be happy. And I
think if we start giving up the sense that we
have to hide who we really are and just allow
pain to happen, and we gave it a chance to breathe,
then we wouldn't always have this anxiety and this jittery

(29:34):
feeling inside.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
That is I think that is one of the most
difficult things for anybody, including myself you too, to do,
is to be yourself. It's you know, it's like be
or It's not how difficult that is any of us

(30:00):
myself Dave, you've done it. You're at home, you're Dave.
You leave the house, you're now Dave Junior, right, you're
somebody else, and it is It is a freeing thing
if you can manage to just be who you are

(30:20):
when you leave the house you're at a part, you're
at this here, at that in front of your head,
whatever it is that you're just really honestly just you,
You suddenly feel better instead of trying to pretend and
wear a mask. And that's one of the most difficult things,
you know as well as I do in the in
the world of broadcast. When when I was going to

(30:43):
school for broadcasts, one of my teachers said, you have
to be yourself when you're on the radio. What is
that even me? Right? It was words of wisdom, right

(31:05):
to be yourself? And so many want to just come
on any influencer or anybody that's on YouTube right now,
or it's so funny to hear them speaking in the
same cadence, with the same words and the same inflections
and the same thing. Because they're all trying to outdo
each other and be be like somebody they're not themselves.

(31:28):
And they wonder why why can't I get good at this? Why?
It's because people know that you're not being you. The
successful people at radio or TV or whatever that do
this kind of stuff are the ones that have figured
out the biggest mystery of all, how to be yourself right?

(31:53):
How to be yourself? And it's it's really funny me
this guy wearing a Harley shirt and a Santa hat,
and this is the guy that I am. You know
what I mean? I don't have to worry. I don't
have to worry about putting on a mask before the show,

(32:13):
getting into character, and I just start the show, and
I get to hang out with a friend and discuss
and talk about fun stuff and get to the end
of the night and hang out with a great crowd,
and not imitate, not impersonate, not interpolate, just be yourself.

(32:34):
It's the hardest thing, isn't it. When did you? When
did you figure it out?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'm still not I'm still not sure who I am.
It changes, right, I mean, there are different I'm a father,
I'm a broadcaster, I'm a TV personality, I'm an author.
I'm but I'm painfully shy, I believe it or not.
I'm an introvert in an extrovert job. So there are
elements like if I go to a conference and there's

(33:00):
two thousand people, I'm fine. I can be that guy.
If you bump into me at Walgreens, I'm probably looking
at the floor and digging at it with my toe
and I'm uncomfortable because I wasn't in day of mode.
But again, like the holidays, I think we are made
up of many different factions of who we are and
as long as we just already accept that, well, this
is who I am. I know I'm going to be

(33:21):
uncomfortable in these situations. I know this is where my
limits are. I know what I can do and what
I can't do, and you know, just make the best
of the life that I have with the strong points
and the weaknesses. And I found that leaning into my
weaknesses from time to time when it's really uncomfortable still
helps me connect with people that I might have missed before,

(33:41):
because it shows that we can be human and we
can be vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Let me ask you this. I've never asked you this before.
When you have you gone back and listened ever? I haven't,
by the way, But have you ever gone back and
listened to your first radio performances and go, I don't
even know that person?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Oh, you've done that?

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Right?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
At what point did you suddenly start to figure it
out where you went, oh, oh, I'm doing it wrong.
There's an easier way to do this, right, to be myself?
Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah? You know, I was probably two years in on
my show when I began with Darkness Radio, and I
was trying very much to be the art Bell George
Nori Dick Cavett. Next question, please, next question, please. And
I I liked the conversation, but I felt like I
wasn't in it. I was following a road map instead

(34:46):
of leading the road. And one day I just stopped
being the guy trying to be the guy right, just
be who I am, and I just started leaning into
the questions and allowing myself to have more fun and
being engaged and learning from my mistakes. If there were
things that I saw or said that upset people, I
learned how to watch that a little bit better. Not

(35:08):
that it was disingenuous to who I was, but there
are other ways to say things that maybe don't skate
that line. So you know, I've always been cognizant of
what's going on around me and the people that are
tuning in. And I really do want it to feel
like a family and a gathering of people that are
like minded people that let's face it, in our little world, right,

(35:30):
we have the most diverse cast of fans and friends,
people that in any other setting probably would never talk
to one another, but at night they get together and
they're the fade or nots, and together they can talk
about high strangeness and not feel weird or dumb or
judged or out of line, and tomorrow they go back

(35:51):
to being you know, Sal the pencil guy at work,
and you know Jr. The engineer at NASA, and everybody's
got a place in their lives and they're doing that.
But these are the little moments where all us little
oddities can come together. The land of misfit toys, right,
and we get to I'm gonna keep leaning into the
Christmas angle on these Welcome to the Land of mythfit toys.

(36:16):
And uh, that's that's so cool to me. I just think,
you know, that's part of what our journey has been
is finding ways to tell stories and let people feel
like they're along with us for the ride, not just
watching a train wreck. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah. Yeah. When when I started to like dial it
in and figure it out, you know, how to you know,
how to do radio, I uh suddenly became relaxed because,
especially when I started out doing sports, dude, I would
have all these notes and I would have things, I

(36:55):
would come prepared and and and it was the cold,
this thing to listen to. And I really thought that
I was I was killing it, and I wasn't. I
was doing the opposite. And as soon as I got
rid of all of that stuff, notes, show notes, you know,

(37:17):
stuff in front of me, I don't. I haven't done
anything in front of me in thirteen years. I don't
have There is not a piece of paper here, right,
I have no notes, and I'm able to just come
in and just just let it flow. And it was

(37:37):
the most freeing thing to get rid of who I
was trying to be. You know, I was trying to
be something that I wasn't and it was uncomfortable and
I would stumble so and it helped me in my
personal life as well.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I could imagine that a lot of people when they
meet me for the first time, probably go, you know, yeah,
you are a dick. You know, you know that's cool.
You're not somebody else. You're not playing one on TV.
You you just are that. Yeah, okay, well you know

(38:17):
I'm not acting. It's not an act. It's not an act.
I want to talk about the Palmer House, and uh,
that's a that's a really really congratulations. By the way,
it's a really really really big deal. Before you tell
us about the Palmer House, how did it happen? How

(38:38):
did you get into the position to to to uh
be a hotel owner. Oh, by the way, pull your
right shoulder back. Yeah, there you go there, yeah, there
you go. There you go freak around freaking me out.
Is that his trying to leave his body? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah. I was really lucky, you know, at the Palmer
House that came into my world about nineteen years ago.
I was introduced to it, and I was skeptical. I
heard all of these crazy paranormal experiences that would happen,
and I went in and I remember kind of being
the dick in my own head about it, and you know,

(39:20):
hearing all these claims and trying to keep a straight
face and trying to not portray to this woman Kelly
Freeze who's walking me around that I think she's probably
full of it. And it all changed when we got
up to Lucy's room, one of the spirits there, and
she said, you know, this is your room for the night,
but I do have to warn you. The spirit Lucy here,
we believe used to be a maybe a call girl

(39:43):
back when it was a brothel, and you know, we
believe her life didn't end so well. She's not a
big fan of men. And I remember just saying, well,
tough for you, Lucy, you get to spend the weekend
with me, and the door next to me slam shut
the go and I turned and then I looked at
the door, and I looked at Kelly, and she said,

(40:03):
welcome to the Palmer have fun with that. And from
that point forward, the Spirits just made themselves known. And
I was really entranced by that. It was kind of
a cool, magical place, and it's right here in my
home state, so I would go visit and do events there.
And when I was working with Ghost Adventures behind the scenes,

(40:25):
he asked me what would be a cool place out
in the Midwest, and I recommended the Palmer House, and
they came out here to investigate and just blew them away.
They loved it and had a great time, and that
helped to put it on the map. That really got
people aware of it, and more and more events started
happening there, and more and more people had experiences, and
I've seen some of the most amazing footage and photographs

(40:48):
and electronic voice phenomena. So you know, I've been there
with large groups of people where we are sitting in
a dark room and you can watch somebody walk into
the doorframe and stand there and you start talking to
that person, trying to get him to either come in
and sit down or be quiet, and they don't respond
to you. To turn your flashlight on, and there's nobody there,
and everybody's like, oh, you know, so I love I

(41:08):
love that. And you know, I'd actually talked to the owner, Kelly,
right around the time of the pandemic, and she had said,
you know, I'm looking to sell, would you be interested.
And at that point, I was coming off the pandemic,
and you know, I was the sole provider for my family,
so I didn't have a whole lot of money after
the having nine people under my roof for two years,

(41:29):
you know, and it just didn't set right at that point.
And this last year, when my father passed away, he'd
left me some money and I'd been looking for the
last two years for a haunted location because I'm getting older.
I don't want to be on the road thirty five
weekends a year doing events, and I thought it'd be
great if I could have some place on my own

(41:50):
that I could just be at and people could come
investigate with me and I could share the history and
share the mysteries, and everything kept falling through. Everything kept
falling through, and my buddy Chachi said, Dave, this is
the universe telling you when it's your time, it'll be
the right time. And then about a month and a
half ago, I was talking with Kelly and she said

(42:11):
she had mentioned that she had it up for sale
and it was with a broker. And I started asking questions.
She goes, it's with the broker. If you're interested, just
contact him. I know there's a few people that are
interested and they're talking to the broker. So I chatted
with him, left things alone for a little bit because
there was another interested party, and you know, when nothing
progressed on that point, I stepped back in and I

(42:31):
made an offer, and we negotiated a little bit, and
lo and behold, December fifteenth, I signed on it. So
I've been an owner for a week and a day now.
It's pretty exciting. And yeah, so that put me in
the right place. And I think, you know, I'm lucky
that my bio dad is still alive. He didn't raise
me and I didn't know him until five years ago,
but he came into my life at the right time too.

(42:53):
He was a guy that's owned five bars car dealerships,
he's been a landlord of multiple rental buildings. And when
I told him of my desire to do this, he
really kind of motivated me into it. But I was like, well,
I don't know if I And he said, let me
ask you if you could pick up the phone and
your dad was on the other end of that phone,
and you said, Dad, the money you left me and

(43:15):
the things I've got, I can leverage it and buy
my own haunted location. I could do this and curate
it and have a legacy for my family. He said,
what would he say? And I said, oh, it's before
I even got done talking and be like, yeah, take it.
I'm dead. Take the money and do with it what
you want, right, And that would be a cool point.
My parents used to love to go to these haunted
locations with me and investigate. So it's it just it

(43:37):
really came together kind of beautifully.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
It just congratulations. I mean, what a great story, What
a great story. And you know what, your your second
dad is right about your first dad. That was really
good advice. Or no, your first dad was right about
your second dad. Man, which which way is it?

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Well, my first dad didn't know he was my dad
until five years ago we found out her ancestry dot com.
But yeah, he's been he's.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait what what what
did you just say? Have you? Have you told this story?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
My mom was a little hippie in the sixties and
she lived near the Great Lakes Naval Base, and she
used to go dance with the sailors and she connected
with a couple and she thought one guy was my dad,
and he wanted nothing to do with her when he
found out she was pregnant. And so she raised me
on her own. And she met my dad, who raised
me when I was about one year old, and he
just became my dad. He took over and stepped into

(44:35):
that role beautifully.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
H And I ken what you just said. All right,
I don't know if you know this, but you're gonna
find out right now. We may be brothers.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Really well, that would make sense.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
My mom used to do the same thing at Great
Lakes Naval Station.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Get out of here.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yeah, she was a bartender on him at And I
was born at Great Lakes Naval Station.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Wow. I was born a couple of miles away from
the Great Lakes Naval Base. So maybe we are. Yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna have are you on ancestry dot Com and.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I'll tell you this. I thought I thought my mom
was a hippie too, And uh, something's feeling really weird
right now.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Like through the profile look at one another alike.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
I think I need a swab. I think I need
to do a swab. Yeah, that's uh, that's crazy. My
first paranormal memory or memories, I should say, let's make
that plural. All in Waukegan, all of them, all of them.
I told I was on your show and I told

(45:51):
us the story about me seeing the Hindenburg when I
was a kid crossing the street. Do you remember that story?
It doesn't matter if you don't, Okay. So that was
at Clearview Elementary School in Wakegan, Yeah, right outside of
Great Lakes Naval Station. Yeah, yeah, I was eight years old.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah. Crazy. You know what's really weird to me is
how many of the people I've met as an adult
in the paranormal world, and as we get to know
each other, find out how many of us grew up
within about fifteen to twenty miles anex.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
I'm going to tell you right now, in the last
I can't tell you how many shows I've done where
my guest was born in Zion or Crystal Lake or
you know, Mundyline. And I had somebody on the show

(46:39):
two weeks ago that went to Libertyville High School. Now,
so if you for the audience, if you don't know,
there's Wakegan right Great Lakes Naval Station, Lake Michigan, right shoreline,
Great Lakes Naval Station, Wakeegan, and then all these outlying
little towns and lakes that are right there. It's crazy,

(47:03):
isn't it. How many people are from that area and
how much paranormal stuff has gone down in that little part.
It's crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Oh when my dad, when we connected and we found
out about each other through ancestry, he before he agreed
to talk to me on the phoney kind of researched
me on my social media and then he said, yeah,
call me. So I called him and we did a
FaceTime video and he said, I got to tell you, son,
I'm not surprised at who you are. He said, your
great grandmother or your great great grandmother was a famous

(47:35):
gypsy Scottish gypsy queen and we all see ghosts. And
I read cards my mom read leaves. Wo. So it's
genetically built into me, this passion and love for the paranormals.
So yeah, well spitting a cup together, Jimmy, and see
if there's a little kinship in there.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I mean, I just can't believe you just rattled all
that stuff off just right, and it's like you just
you just spoke about my childhood. Really weird. That was,
And you and I have known each other.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
For a long time, and yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
We just found this out of Oh yeah, we're brothers.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Where the newbody Harrelton? And what's his name? All right?
All right, all right, I can't think of.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
His name now, Matthew McCarty.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I believe they might be brothers as well in a
similar situation.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
All right, all right, all right, So back to the
Palmer House. So, man, that was a nice little I've
done segues, you've done segues. That was a good segue
right there. That was just like shit, that was? That was?
That was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Is it a hotel that you can book as a guest.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, it's a fully functioning hotel, restaurant and pub. So
I had a little cafe, I've got a bar, I've
got the hotel, what I've been doing Eventser. Yeah, so
you come stay. It's like a little miniature Stanley Hotel.
Tell you know a little and and we actually get
the creepy snow in the negative twenty degree weather sometimes.
So it feels like the Shining Hotel.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Deserve it, man, you deserve it. So wait, wait a minute,
Wait a minute. God man, I am so je peanut
butter and jelly right now. I'm so jealous. You've got
your own bar so you can walk in. I've always
wanted to do that, walk behind the bar, throw down
a shot glass and and and do it like it's nothing.

(49:30):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
You're that guy now that When I was there my
first day last week as the owner, I was thirsty
and I'm so used to being on this side of
the bar, and there was nobody around, and I'm like,
I guess I could.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Just rock the fact.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's what I'm talking about. But I went back and
I grabbed the gun, which I'd never done, the little
soda gun, and I looked around and I'm filling my
soda glass. But I feel like like the five year
old kid finding his dad's playboy stash. You know, I'm
looking at yea. I'm gonna get in trouble for this,
aren't I?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Man?

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, So it's pretty neat.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
And so a bar, a bar bar. That's amazing. I can't.
I'm going to book a room. I'm gonna come out
and hang out. Yeah, come on up, man, I'm about
the haunt. I want Lucy's room. What's the restaurant like?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
It's great. There's a little it's almost like a fifties
looking cafe with the little barstools at the counter and
then the table set up, and then the other side
of the building has got the bar and pubs, so
it's it's really neat. And then the hotel's got the
main staircase up the middle, and then we've got i
think twenty one total rooms in the hotel. Wow.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Live in your best life, my man.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah. Wow, it's about time, right, I'm getting to that age.
I'm almost at middle aged, Jimmy. I just turned fifty eight.
I'm almost at middle aged. So I'm trying to find
my way so when I grow up, I'm ready for it.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
I I have these same thoughts. I don't know. I'm
glad you did it. I could if I wanted to
pull the trigger on something and where I live in Palmdale.
I mean, I've kind of had my eyes on a
couple of things here and there. Should I do this?

(51:14):
Should I do that? And I'm thinking, do I want
to do that? Or do I just want to continue
to enjoy life the way that I'm enjoying it right now,
you know, traveling and doing that instead of getting But
if I was ten years younger, I would do exactly
what you're doing. That sounds just amazing And it's a

(51:37):
generational thing. You know, your kids are going to have it,
and you know, and it's just you know. And are
you going to rename it?

Speaker 2 (51:45):
By the way, No, the Palmerhouse has been there for
October seventeenth, twenty twenty six. It will be standing for
one hundred and twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
It hasn't stopped our president from renaming shit.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Oh I'm more grounded in reality, and I know that
the Palmer House is much more famous than I'll ever be.
So I'm going to plan on keeping it as is,
just doing some cosmetic touch ups.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I've got an idea the Dave Schrader and Palmer House.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
You know what, It's very much like the Shining I
feel like I've always been the caretaker, and it's just
my turn to step into the role. So you and
I were talking before the show about the Brady Bunch
and the Partridge family, and this is my Johnny Bravo moment.
I'm stepping in because of the outfit fits right now,
and I get to be Johnny Bravo for a while,
and then I'll pass it on to the next Johnny

(52:38):
Bravo and that'll be the way it rolls.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
What's the haunted room, what's the one? What's Lucy's room?
Number seventeen? I believe I'm horrible at all the numbers.
I just know where they are in the building. The
Basement's crazy. The basement.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I've had some of the most remarkable experiences Raymond's room,
which is directly across the hall from Lucy's room. We've
caught a using SLS camera, video footage, we've caught audio,
we've caught EVP. It's really been pretty astounding. And I've
had people, you know, from all walks of life that
go in and they love this place and they feel

(53:12):
like it's a second home to them, even though they're
sometimes very unnerved by the amount of activity that takes place.
But the basement's crazy. There's the ghosts know no boundaries.
They can go where they want to and they do.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Can you smoke in the bar?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
No, you cannot. It's Minnesota. We don't allow smoking indoors.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Wait, you guys are indoors eight months of the year.
How can you that?

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I don't know. You just it doesn't make anything.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
It doesn't make any sense. Jesse, Ventura wouldn't have passed
that law.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
That's been in place for a long time now. But yeah,
I'll tell you we don't allow no smoking.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
But when what comes to mine? First? When you speak
about the Palmer Hotel in its paranormal sense, I know
when when you think about owning the hotel, something sticks out?
What is that?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
As corny as it owns, it just feels like home.
It has for nineteen years once I was introduced to it.
It just it's a place that brings me in. And
what's really neat is during the nineteen years, I've celebrated
my children's birthdays there and other parties that you know,
they're like Dad, for my birthday, you know, it wasn't
let's go bowling, let's go roller skating, Let's have a

(54:37):
Princess party. It was can we take my friend's ghost hunting? Okay,
all their parents have to be on board, and yeah, okay,
we'll go up there and then we'd do some investigating.
And I don't feel there's anything darker, malevolent or evil there.
There's some fun, weird ghosts. There are ghosts who definitely
want you to know they're there, and there are others
that are very playful.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
And I'm looking at Okay, hold on for a second.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
And if people look up the Palmerhouse dot com, they'll
find my website and the Palmer House Hotel information there.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Man, that place is haunted as heck.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Yeah, get out. Yeah. And Sinclair Lewis, the Nobel Prize
laureate and an author, worked there at one point in
his life. He lived there in town. As a matter
of fact, on the back of our building, we've got
a beautiful mural of Sinclair Lewis and it's just a
great piece of history. Man, it's like walking back into Maybury.

(55:38):
And I really hope people will come out to see
the Haunting of the palmer House, but stage just because
it's a beautiful environment to be in and it's a
great it's a great little community, and there's all kinds
of fun stuff to do. There's a little old movie
theater down the road, and there's thrift shops and holistic
and metaphysical shops, and we've got a couple of cool

(56:00):
old cemeteries, including the one where Sinclair Lewis is buried.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
That is the most haunted thing. I okay, I'm gonna
pop every I'm gonna I'm gonna pop this up for
everybody so they can see it. And uh, you don't mind.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
No, please, I'll kill free. All right, all right, all right,
let's do this.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Let's do this. Everybody just just stay with me on
this so I can get this up really quick.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
And I'll mention this that if people are interested in
coming out to the hotel three two zero three five
one ninety one hundred, if you book Friday and Saturday
night's day, I'll throw Thursday night in for free, so
that way you can come in relax Thursday night and
then have Friday and Saturday to yourself. You don't feel rushed.

(56:49):
And yep, that's my hotel.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
God, that is congratulations man, thank you for buying.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
And you know it's.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Just creepy man, I mean, she's beautiful. She's I'm looking
at the interior shots. Yeah, it's just it's it's beautiful.
Look at the ceilings. Man, wow wow.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
So what is this? Okay, hold on, I'm gonna pop
this image up to you as well, only because I
am just okay. This is everybody stayed with me. As
you can tell, Dave and I were prepared for this moment.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Not at all, Okay. In one hundred and twenty five
years and the original building, the Sock Center House, was
the first hotel in town. The Palmer House Hotel is
the first building to have electricity and lights, so people
used to come in there just to watch people turn
the lights on and off. That's our lobby.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Look at that, man, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Man getting the view from the stairway looking down into
the lobby. Ah.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Man, I gotta tell you, I hope you walk in.
I hope you have the cocky walk.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
No, I don't do this. I know. I'm not the
star there. It's the building and the spirit of the
Palmer of the star. I'm just the lucky guy that
gets to live there and and take care of it.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
So is it is?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
It?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Is there? Action every night? I mean, do you just
like kick it and get the hotel. Jimmy, there's always action.
Oh man, you're already doing it, aren't you. You're already
doing it. No, you know what I mean. Uh, you
know footsteps or whatever you and I were talking about,
you know, my friend's condo growing up.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I've never even told that story on the air. Yeah,
but is it like footsteps? You'll hear things moving around. Uh,
it's not every night. I mean, I bet I haven't
been there every night, so I can't even attest to that.
But out of nineteen years, going three to four times
a year, I've probably maybe four times busted and not
had anything happen. But somebody else will come up and say,

(59:08):
oh my god, something just knocked on my door and
open the door and there was nobody there. So just
because I didn't have something happened didn't mean somebody else did.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
So is that a part of I'm sure it is
to have your own darkness Dave events there where people
can go and book the rooms and then you'll do
a tour for the weekend and say, beck in.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
May, I'll be there with Shane Pittman and Cindy Kasa
from the Lser file. Sure, and we'll be doing an
event and you can get information about that at Darkness
events dot com. I think we only have about twelve
tickets left for that event, and then we've got events
all throughout the year, and a bunch of my favorite
paranormal TV show celebrities will be popping in. And I

(59:51):
know the Tennessee Raith Chasers have a couple of events
that are booked there. Chris Fleming is going to come
out at one point this year. The psychic medium Sarah
Lemo is going to be out there at the medium
from Ghost Town Terror and Ghost of Morgan City. She
was just on a recent episode of Ghost Adventures. So
I've got a lot of my paranormal friends who are
gonna come out and help me spread the word about

(01:00:13):
the Palmer House and show people just how amazing it
is and why people should be visiting.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
You know, if I was doing an investigation with you guys,
you know who I'm not walking next to.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Who's at Shane Pittman.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
That guy's always something nuts goes on, you know something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
I think it's just chaotic energy. He's so nervous.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Shame man, He's a magnet for that stuff. He must
be a lot of fun to be around.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
He really is. Yeah, he's great and his energy feeds
the environment, so it's pretty fun. Yeah, he's a good guy.
My little brother.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I was. Oddly enough, I was talking about Shane a
couple of nights ago. It's weird that we're bringing him
up right now. We were talking about just that. You know,
when you go back to those TV shows and it
was always Shane downstairs, are in another room and you know,
a gun, say, falls out of the wall and lands

(01:01:13):
on him, you know whatever. You know, it's just like
Shane always had. He's carrying a magnet for the paranormal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, and I think it's because the spirits know he's
not in there challenging, he's not being disrespectful. He's got
that nervous energy, so I think they have some fun
with him. You know. I always say that as a ghost,
that's what I will be. I'll be the guy that's
you know, I'm not evil, I'm not a demon. I'm
just an asshole. That'll be the ghost that you'll be
bumping into. I'll be the one making you afraid something

(01:01:47):
dark is happening. And it's just Dave.

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all right, Merry Christmas everyone tonight. Dave Schrader is with us.
It's a very Dave. Chris Smith and I couldn't think
of anything else to call the show, but it is appropriate.

(01:08:06):
Dave Schrader is here, and so Dave. Last night, I'm
in bed. I'm listening in the dark to an audio
book which was Projects Surpo, which is a reading of
the Surpo website. It's fantastic to listen to anyway. So

(01:08:29):
I'm in the dark, eyes are closed, listening to the
audio book. Everything's fine. I'm on my left side facing
the speakers right, I'm listening and my eyes are closed
and I'm just like there, I'm relaxed, and on my

(01:08:53):
right hip, I get a boot a poke and my
eyes pop open. And this is what I said. You
gotta be kidding me now, really seriously, huh man. And
I pulled the covers back over me, and I, you know, grump,

(01:09:15):
you know, and I laid back down. Nothing happened, But
I'm talking to a ghost man in the dark. What
what What's going on? When when that kind of stuff happens?
Is it my imagination? Is it? Is it real? Is
you know?

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I'm in between dream state falling asleep and awake and
it's just or did a ghost poke me?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
You're muted? Unmute yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
New guy. Sorry, I've been coughing off and on.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
So you'll get You'll get this radio thing sooner or later,
and stick with it. Stick with it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I h there are many different things that happen, for
izeologically when we're falling asleep and those little idio motor
movements and twitches. So it's hard to say because sometimes
it'll feel like something's touching you, or you got padded,
or we're falling off the bed and you wake up
and you're perfectly fine. Those are just little moments of physiology. Now,

(01:10:17):
if it was paired with the fact that right afterwards
you're wide awake and then you hear footsteps across the room,
yeah you're probably dealing with a ghost. But it's really
hard to say about About a year ago here at home,
I had a couple of nights where something kept waking
me up violently, and one night it felt like they
had their hands on my shoulder blades. I'm a stomach sleeper,

(01:10:39):
and it felt like their hands were on my shoulder
blades and they were pumping my back trying to get
me awake, and I sat up and I'm like, not
get off, what do you want? And you know, I
was really irritated, and I talked to a friend of
mine and he said, dude, how do you know you
weren't maybe stopping breathing in your sleep. Something was going
on and the spirit shook you back out of it.

(01:10:59):
And I was like, wow, I never thought of that.
Then I had another friend who said he does a
lot of astral projection at night, and he said, maybe
you had left your body and you were coming back
to your body quickly because you realized something was wrong
and you were trying to alert yourself and trying to
get back in, and that could have been it. So
I don't know. It's fascinating. I can't I can't find

(01:11:21):
one answer that fits. But I love all the different
what ifs about it. I was so angry. I was
so angry. I really was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
I was like, man, I was getting ready to follow
some what no man, but nothing else. It was. It
wasn't like a gent it was it was a boop.
It was like real, it was a real poke.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
I don't know if you can do it during the show.
I just sent you a video on your Facebook Messenger,
but it's from the Palmerhouse and you talk about being
touched by a ghost. The video is about thirty three
seconds long, and it doesn't happen until around the twenty
eight second mark. But we were down in the basement
of the palm and there was a gentleman standing inside
the furnace room, and there was another gentleman, Carl outside

(01:12:07):
in the hall filming. And you see what appears to
be this spirit hand like kind of run up his leg.
But the fingers, Jimmy, what is really surprising to me,
are these really kind of weird alien length fingers. And
you'll see the fingertips kind of poking out from the
doorframe on his leg, and then all of a sudden,

(01:12:28):
the hand is just out there and runs up. And
it starts at about twenty eight seconds. If you've had
a chance to see it, I show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
You which you send it to another account.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
I send it to the Jimmy Church account.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I don't have it here. Shoot, do you want me
to send it over to the email? Email it to me?

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Email it all right, I'll see if I can do
that while we're doing the show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Yeah, do that. Well, that way I can play the
audio too, if you email it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Yeah, there's really not much audio to it at all,
But yeah, I will, I'll try to get that sent
over while we're chatting. But yeah, many different things happen.
You just never know how to how it's going to
impact or affect things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I often wonder that maybe every well, when everybody says
it's all connected, it's all connected. But the more that
I look at all of the phenomenon, whether it's UFOs
or bigfoot or ghosts or whatever you want to put

(01:13:31):
a label on, they seem eerily similar to me. Yeah,
and is it something that is so fundamental that we're
all having these experiences, we're seeing and and so forth,
that it just may be one thing And then about
two weeks ago, and there might be three weeks ago.

(01:13:53):
Now a material scientist material scientists, right pragmatic, non spiritual
right scientists, published It's in a journal, published a report
where she feels that after looking at all of the data,

(01:14:15):
that consciousness is first, and that consciousness is everything. First. Matter, mass, space,
and time happen after consciousness. That's a revolutionary thing. That
consciousness is non local because you know, in the hard
science and everybody you know, consciousness is created from chemistry

(01:14:39):
and the brain, and that's consciousness somehow arises out of
that she says, no consciousness is first. Now, if that's
the case, and I believe that it is, but I'm
just glad that a scientist is coming out with a
new view on this. If that's the case, then suddenly

(01:14:59):
it explains a lot, doesn't it. It's like that ends
up checking a lot of boxes for everyone when it
comes to the paranormal and supernatural and UFOs and bigfoot, crypto,
everything comes into play, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Yeah, And it shows the just how connected we really
are and the collected consciousness, the collected being, and how
people can feel affected and be aware of things like
precognitive dreams before they actually happen, like nine to eleven
and some of the other tragedies where people feel them coming.
It would certainly make sense because that means the consciousness

(01:15:37):
supersedes the physical form and is always on in an alert.
Just some people are tuned into a moment and they're
able to see it, see the ghosts, see the lights
in the sky, see the Bigfoot, you know, have a
pre cognitive moment. So right, consciousness plays a bigger part.
And isn't it interesting that many people that have encountered Bigfoot,
many people that have encountered aliens, and many people that

(01:15:58):
have encountered ghosts don't talk about them speaking out loud,
but speaking telepathically. What does that tell you? What?

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
You know? What? You know? What it tells me? I
don't want to be telepathic. I don't want other people
to be telepathic. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
There are certain things that you know need to be
uh yeah yeah yeah. We were talking about Bill Burr earlier, right,
Bill Burr tells a story. I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm
gonna destroy his his comedic genius here, but everybody will

(01:16:43):
get the gist of it. Bill Berger says something like
I've said the same thing. He just says it better.
We all have the same thoughts as a serial killer,
we just don't act on them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Right right, I firmly believe that, right yeah, I mean
we've all had those moments where we want to jerk
the wheel and hit the guy the jerk next to
us and push him off the road, but we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
I've always wanted to rob a bank, all right. Every
time I see a movie a good one, good bank robbery,
I'm like, man, that that looks like fun, But I
don't do it. I just don't do it. I just
don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Well, that's the whole thing, right, I mean, that's some
people react in that moment, you know, that's the whole
That's why I love like the Batman comics and the Joker.
We are all one bad day away from becoming the
worst of who we are.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Right Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think of that. What's
that movie I think it is with James Woods. It's
just one, No, it's Michael Douglas. Yeah, falling down that
we are all. We are all just just a left
turn instead of making a right from that being our day.

(01:18:02):
I am one. I've never told this story. I'm coming
home from work in Burbank and I'm driving home and
into Sherman Oaks and at the end of my street
I lived on. I lived right off a Venture Boulevard,

(01:18:23):
and there was like a First Interstate Bank or something
on the corner of our street. Anyway, I'm coming up
and I see a billion cops and I'm talking about
when I say there was one hundred cop cars on
my street on my corner, and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
I'm pulling up, I'm like, man, what the heck.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Is going on here? And I pull out. I got
to turn left, and the cop stops and says, this
is a crime scene. I go listen. Man, see that condo,
third floor, that's mine. I gotta go home. He gets
on the radio, Let this guy through. Let this guy through.
And so that I'm pulling up the street in front

(01:19:11):
of my condo, and all that I love is a
body on my street and uncovered by the way, and
the police are standing around it and and things, and
they radioed ahead and I'm driving dude through the crimes right,

(01:19:34):
and I pull into my garage. I go upstairs on
the balcony and I'm looking down at this body. He's
on his back, and so he and I turn on
the TV and I'm the news is on. I wasn't
listening for this, but anyway, it turned out that guy

(01:19:56):
robbed the bank. Yeah, the bank, And what they said
was so he was shot and killed. He had a gun.
But it was the second time he robbed the bank
in the same clothes, so they said. And I'm listening

(01:20:19):
to the TV as I'm looking at the body, and
I'm listening to the report and it's all coming together
for me. And the bank tellers saw him walking on
the sidewalk up to the bank. They called the police.
Right then he's back and so he walks in, the
police came in, and so forth. Now the point is

(01:20:40):
I had a moment to reflect on all of that.
I'm looking at him. I'm thinking about the moment. Did
he think that this was his last day on earth? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
And what's the difference between where his head is at
and where mine is at? What makes some buddy go
that route? And so I'm tying all this together with
the Palmer House. Now you mentioned Lucy. Has anybody been
killed in the Palmer House?

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
We know that there are a few deaths associated with
the Palmer House, but it was also you know, there
were coal miners, transience people that were going through there,
people that had no family, and you know, hundred and
twenty five years ago, you were just cleaned out and
they moved on, right, that would be the way of
the world. It was a different environment. And you know,

(01:21:33):
if it was running as a brothel, the people that
worked there were just looked at as property and when
it was broken, you tossed it out and you got
some more property for that room. Wow. So there's a
lot of things we don't know what's really interesting is
that over the twenty four years that Kelly Freese, the
owner of the Palmer House, had it, she would be

(01:21:54):
in at work and somebody would come in and they'd
be having lunch and all of a sudden they come
over and they'd go, are you then yeah, and they go,
I don't know how you feel about this, but I
just had to give this to you. And they'd give
her a note and then they'd leave and she'd read
this note and she had a little box of them
she kept. It's like, I don't know what's going on
in Room seventeen, but I feel the presence of a woman,
very sad. I think she lost her life at the

(01:22:16):
hands of a violent man. And then two weeks later,
another woman or a man would come in and he'd
be like, are you aware you have a female spirit
up in room seventeen. She's very and they It would
one after another of these spirits that would be in
the Palmer House, and you know, it's it's impossible to

(01:22:36):
say where they came from. I also think that some
locations become like the bug lamp. They burn brightly and
they draw things to them. And when you have so
many people coming there fascinated in this. Are you going
to stay outside at the old bank where you were
a robber and got shot dead in the street, or
are you going to go into the building where everybody's
looking to have a moment with you. So I think

(01:22:57):
that in some of these instances, these locations become a
magnet and draw energy and spirits to them. Have you
seen Lucy yourself? I haven't seen Lucy. I have seen
SLS camera footage. I have it on my Paranormal sixty page.
If you scroll through hours of video you'll find it.

(01:23:21):
I'll try to shoot it to you, so maybe you
can share it with the fade or NOTS. But I
was again, I wasn't sure what I felt about the
SLS camera a lot of times, and that camera is
the one that you know. It shows like the stick
figure if it's picking something up, had shoulders, knees, and toes.
And we were in Lucy's room and my friend was
sitting in the chair and we were trying to engage
the spirits, and all of a sudden, the stick figure

(01:23:42):
popped up behind what's known as Lucy's chair and it
walked around and then sat in the chair and I'd
never seen that happen before. The stick figure and I go,
I think Lucy's here. She just sat down in the chair,
and my friend said, oh, thank you for coming. My
grandmother just died a few days ago, and I was
really hoping to make communication with the other side. And
as she says this, this thing leans over and starts

(01:24:03):
patting her on the knee like she's consoling her. And
we've got it all on video. And then it gets
really weird because a few seconds later, another figure pops
up behind the chair. Lucy stands up and moves closer
to my friend like she's blocking, and this other figure,
this other human figure, suddenly jumps to the ceiling like
Spiderman and crawls over the underhang into the other room,

(01:24:24):
and then crawls back out again, turns into a human
form on the camera and freezes the SLS camera. I
have no explanation for what that was, how it happened,
what it was, And I've never seen things move around
like that. It's usually they're standing still looking at you
in a doorframe or you know, near something that I'm questioning,

(01:24:45):
is it just misreading the doorframe, Is it misreading something
in the room. I have no explanation for the video
that we captured there, but that's the closest I've been
to seeing her. I spent that first night in there
when I for those of you that missed it, in
the first hour I went to the hotel. The owner
was taking me around, telling me about the ghosts, tells
me about Lucy and I had to share the room

(01:25:06):
that night, and I sarcastically said, well tough, Lucy, I
don't care that you don't like men. You get to
spend the night with me, and she slammed the door
right in front of both of us. And later that night,
I had a camera in my room, video camera, and
I start hearing pacing and I'm thinking, man, the person
upstairs is got to just go to bed. It's like
one point thirty two o'clock in the morning, and they

(01:25:27):
just keep walking. And then after a few minutes, I thought,
I think, I think I'm on the top floor. I
don't think there is a floor above me. And then
I realized that the sound was in the room with me.
And when I reached for the video camera, the chair
is right next to the bed. In Lucy's chair, you
very clearly hear this voice go and that what little

(01:25:51):
hair I had left on my head jumped out ran away. Yeah,
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
One of the things that I love about you. I
don't have the patience that you do. Well, I've never
had the opportunities to do this stuff like you do.
But you jump into the historical aspect of all of
the investigations that you do, and it's really cool to
get the background and everything. But you do it because

(01:26:18):
you know, I don't know if it's your pragmatic side
that you don't show publicly that you're nerd and you
want to geek out and get the entire historical breakdown.
But people need that, right, So you're not going into
something willy nilly. But you've been associated with the Palmer
House for a couple of decades now, so you have

(01:26:39):
done the Dave Schrader the Darkness Day thing where you've
looked at the history and gone back. What did that
tell you? And when did the gos when did it
start to get the reputation for being haunted?

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Well that's the whole thing, right. This came into me
twenty years ago. Kelly didn't know about it when she
bought the Hot Hell and it started making itself known
to her quickly after she moved in. This she is
the longest owning owner of the Palmer House in history
twenty four years. Every other owner has been in and
out pretty quickly, which is strange in itself, right, So

(01:27:18):
I think that's kind of telling. But going back, there
are stories and notes and letters from former owners that
talk about it. As a matter of fact, I visited
for the first time last year. I visited the Historical
Society about two blocks away from the Palmer House and
I went in and I talked to them. I said,
do you guys have any files on the Palmer House
And she's like, oh, yeah, we have files. And that's

(01:27:39):
where I found out about the police officer that had
been shot they think outside or was followed from the
Palmer to City Hall where he was shot to death.
There was a gentleman that managed the billiard area in
the Palmer House who I don't know what the right
terminology is without getting you in trouble, but at the
end of a rope is where his life was lost

(01:28:02):
by his own hands. Hopefully that was clouded enough. Ye.
So there were some deaths like that, and here was
the documentation I've been looking for and then Jimmy, the
beautiful part about it is she hands me, you know
those cardboard slides that have two photographs, the stereo graphic photos,
and you put them in that little view finding her.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah right, but no, that is stereo.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
It was called something stereographic vision.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Yeah yeah, stereovision. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
She goes, check this out. This is one of the
oldest pictures when it was the Sock Center House, the
hotel before your hotel, and you see everybody out on
the streets and there's a picture and there's one man
standing outside the side door and he's standing perfectly still,
no movement, but he's completely translucent. You can see through him.
It's a lot like that photograph taken at the White House.

(01:28:56):
Have you seen that one where they're working in the basement.
You just see guy standing perfectly still, but he's see through.
That's what this is. So she has a photograph all
the way back one hundred and twenty seven years ago
showing a ghost outside the Palmer House, so it's always
been there. And then it was great because she goes,
look at this. She pulls out this folder and it's

(01:29:16):
it was a school project and the teacher had said
they all knew about this Palmer House being haunted back
in the seventies and eighties, and he tasked the kids
draw the ghosts of the Palmer House, and the kids
drew all these great pictures of these ghosts and spooky things.
So I'm actually going to go down there and ask
if I can photo scan them all, and I'd like
to hang them up in what's known as the Children's

(01:29:38):
room at the Palmer House. But yeah, it's always been there.
They don't always acknowledge it or talk about it in
the past, but since Kelly took over, she's embraced it
and allowed it to live. She realizes that they're there
for a reason, and why neglect it, why deny it?

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
As we we were just talking, I just got a
text and a phone call from a ground zero Clyde Lewis.
They want me to come on the air tonight. They
don't realize I'm on the air right now. Yeah, Clyde's yeah, man, man, Yeah,
I guess after the show I made, I might jump on.

(01:30:22):
And it's feeling, you know here, let me let me
ask you about it, because you know, we're talking about
ghosts and things at what point did you, because I
know you did, where you started to not be a

(01:30:44):
kid and not look at life as being short. And
then you get to a certain point where you go,
holy crap, it's so short. It's frightening short, and you
want to just, you know, experience things. It's when you
start to see things happen to people around you without

(01:31:08):
using words that will stop this broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
By the way, it was probably about three years ago.
Four years ago, it really hit me. I've always kind
of held onto that childish aspect of who I was,
not in the negative sense, but in I love the
wonder and magic of the world and I like being
a part of it and seeing that. And when my
mom passed away that kind of caught me nine years ago.

(01:31:34):
Certainly the loss of my father this year, but seeing
so many contemporaries people our age when I'm looking and
it's no longer old people, it's people my age, and
sometimes a year or two younger. And within a five
or ten year span, you start to realize, oh no,
this is a lot more fragile and a lot faster.

(01:31:56):
Jimmy January first, twenty twenty six will be broadcasting twenty
Yearsanormal Radio and it's like that, yeah, that quick. So
I think of all that I've missed, I think of
all that I've seen and witnessed. It's very it's alarming
how quickly it goes. So it's part of my youthful

(01:32:21):
life faded about four years ago when that started to
strike me, and I realized just how vulnerable we really are.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
I I can't say a whole lot about this, but
I'll say what I can without getting in trouble. I'm
I'm hosting Beyond Belief now, and right, I just taped
a very special show with George and a tribute show.

(01:32:53):
And so George and I are sitting there and and
he's in the guest chair. I'm in the host here. Okay,
that's difficult enough, right, Like put put some pressure on me, right,
and uh, but George and I are doing this and
watching his reaction to this, and it's like, this is

(01:33:20):
your life, right, the TV show kind of thing, and
we're going through all of that, and and I'm watching
his reaction to it. I don't want to I'm gonna
stop right there. I will say, when everybody sees this,
you'll understand more. But for me, I, uh, I I

(01:33:43):
have to stop and wonder what is going through somebody
else's mind at a moment like that. Are you doing?
Are you doing the life review? You know? Are you happy?
Are you sad? Is it melancholy? Are you you know?
Are you grateful? Are you pissed off? You know? What?
What is it? That? Because one thing that I hear

(01:34:07):
over and over again, I just saw it in a
movie with this comment came from somebody where the end
was near. He said, Man, I just I just want
one more day, right, And how important that one more
day becomes? You know what I mean? It's it's it's

(01:34:30):
not important to you when you're twenty. You don't give
a shit, right, it's not important when you're five. Yeah,
there's you know. And and then looking back is like
the you know, it's a wonderful life where you look
back and go, man, I could have spent one more
day happy instead of bitching and complaining and being angry

(01:34:52):
and wasting wasting precious time.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
It's it's it's it's weird. And now I think about
this where I didn't. I never never had these thoughts before.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Well, I mean, right, this will sound corny, but I
think that's why they call right now, the present. It's
a gift. Every day is a gift, and we have
to be in it and be a moment in it.
We're all remiss at doing that, right, I mean, it's
just we take it for granted. You know. My dad
on the third of July, and this is I think,
really kind of an interesting little deal. My dad would

(01:35:30):
hang out with his buddies from school grade school, and
they would get together every couple of years and have
a big luncheon. And there used to be twenty of them,
and they've slowly whittled down. And his friend called him
out of the blue and said, hey, Jim, let's get
together on July third, and okay, and the five remaining
buddies all got together and they went over to luml

(01:35:53):
Natty's in Shamberg, Illinois, and what was meant to be
a one hour lunch lasted four and a half hour.
And my dad and his buddy Bone were sitting there
on the bench outside having a smoke, talking for a
few minutes, and they decided to part ways and Bone goes,
I'm gonna go in and hit the restroom. All right, Jim,

(01:36:15):
I'll talk to you later. My dad starts to walk away,
and Bone said, he stopped, and he grabbed the door
handle and he just stopped and then he turned on
he said, hey, Jimmy, my dad turned around and came back,
and he goes, and I just embraced your dad. He goes,
I don't think I've ever done that. I've known him
seventy years. And we just hugged and we said this
was a great day. And he said, we got to
do it again next year. And he left and went

(01:36:38):
home did the thing he loved the most in the world.
He mowed his lawn and then went to bed. And
then just you know, when I got the call the
next day from the police in the corner, They're like,
if there's any positive from this, And I know it's
tough to see the positive right now, mister Schrader. This
guy sound asleep. There's no distress on his face. He

(01:36:58):
didn't see this coming. It was he just slipped away
like a thief in the night. And I thought, boy,
that is exactly what he wanted. You know, when my
mom passed away from cancer, we had the long goodbye.
So we found out in May June that she had cancer.
She was gone by November and you know, my dad
suddenly was shaken into adulthood at that point too, and

(01:37:19):
went and put together his will and put together everything,
and he told me all the stuff and everything's in
your name. Now you're taking care of blah blah blah.
And then he goes, but by the way, if if
I ever get cancer, I'm not going out like mom.
I'm just going to disappear in the woods. And I go, no,
you're not. And he goes, what do you mean? And
I said, are you crazy? You just told me you

(01:37:40):
signed everything over to me, and then you're gonna suddenly
go off in the woods and that's it. I'm going
to be on like Forensic Files. He goes, you love
that show. I go, I love watching that show. I
want to be on that show.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
Right. I just gave up my DNA to ancestry dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Right. He was laughing his butt off about that, and
I thought it was hilarious. And then but A gave
him a new perspective. He's like, well, I guess I
can't do that, can I? So he went the way
he needed to in his sleep. But I look, I
have a photograph of him his last day with his buddies.
At the atlu Mal Naughties, and it's just to me.

(01:38:16):
It was like the morning was I didn't get to
say the goodbye like I did with my mom. I
was there and held her hand in that last moment
with my dad. I honestly Jimmy, my dad just turned
eighty March. I thought for sure he was going to
outlive me. I thought, this is the guy that's going
to make it to one hundred and fifteen. He smokes,

(01:38:38):
he drinks, he eats whatever he wants to. He looks you.
My dad and I would go to Vegas every Super
Bowl and we'd be playing cards together and I'd call
him dad or something, and then why does he keep
calling you dad? He was because I'm his dad. And
then they look at the two of us. My dad's
got a full head of hair. He's eighty years old
and looks like he's maybe sixty. I'm fifty five and

(01:38:58):
it looks like I'm seventy. So it was funny. People
were like, there's no way, or what did you have
him when you were five?

Speaker 5 (01:39:04):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
So my dad got a kick out of that, can
you Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
I love that. Yeah. So it's he lived a great life.
He lived doing what he wanted to do, and sometimes
that's you know, we have to remind ourselves of the perspective.
When my mom died, Jimmy, I was livid. I was
so mad at God. My mom was a nurse. She
lived her life serving others, helping others, and then to
be robbed of it. She just retired, just retired. This

(01:39:28):
was supposed to be her golden years, traveling with my dad,
doing all the things she wants to do. She's robbed
of it, and I was. I was livid, and I
had to go up and give the eulogy, and I
was mad, and I was steaming about it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Did you I'm going to interrupt your story.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Did she come to you after she passed? Not conventionally? No, well, okay,
so she did. Did you have to figure out, okay,
what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Yeah? So with this deal again the perspective of it.
A friend of mine took me aside and said, I
know you're mad right now, and I know you're upset.
Why And I explained it and he goes, so, you're
mad that your mom's robbed of time? And I said yeah,
and he goes, you realize your mom did the things
she loved most. She was a nurse who helped children
look at all of the lives like it's a wonderful life.

(01:40:18):
All of the lives she touched and changed and helped.
You're mad that she didn't get to spend time with
your dad. Your mom and dad traveled constantly. They went
on to her three trips a year they saw. I
think my mom and dad saw all fifty states and
they loved it. They loved doing that. And he goes.
Your mom met the love of her life and stayed
with him from the day she met him until the
day she died. What are you mad about? And it

(01:40:41):
shifted my perspective and I realized, oh, yeah, man, that's
pretty blessed life. That's pretty remarkable. She got to watch
her son live his dream and get to do the
things he wanted to do and meet the people he
wanted to meet, and travel the world, and so there
was a lot of that. That's really powerful in the
way that it looks. So that was that was pretty cool,

(01:41:04):
and it gives you a different perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
With my mom, I when she was dying, we talked
very openly and I said, are you afraid she goes? No,
I'm not. And I had you know, you got to
let me know you're okay on the other side, and
she nodded and laughed and after you know, and I
told her, Mom, it's okay if you need to let go.
I know you're not happy, and I know you're in

(01:41:26):
pain if you need to let go. And she was
gone the next day, and I dealt with some guilt
over that because I felt like, oh, should I have
not chide at her to go on? And then I'm like,
that's stupid, Dave. She's there's nothing left of your mom.
She'd withered away. Telling her it's okay, she doesn't have
to hold on for you anymore was a gift, right,
I did, okay, And I kept thinking, well, you know what,

(01:41:49):
Mom's not really shown herself. I didn't get a dream visitation.
I didn't and none of that happened. My dad died
and a week later I had a dream visitation, but
again I didn't get to say goodbye. My dad came
and said goodbye to me, and my dream visitation cool.
My mom and I and my dad, we had a
beautiful relationship. I wish everybody had. There was never anything

(01:42:09):
left on the table. We all said how much we
loved each other all the time. We always hugged and kissed,
and I love you, I love you too, And there
was never anything left behind. We forgave each other. We
loved each other. I didn't need them to come forward.
I didn't need them to be here anymore. And I've
gone on my way to not call on them. So

(01:42:31):
my mom came to me. So I was on a cruise.
I was on the Walker Stalker cruise. I was hired
to be the paranormal guy on the final Walking Dead cruise.
And I had a necklace with my mom's ashes in it.
And I got back and realized the necklace was gone,
and I'm like, no, no, And then I'm like, all right,

(01:42:51):
look at it from another perspective. Your mom loved the ocean.
Did it fall off when you were looking over the
railing and didn't notice, Okay, Then she's in the ocean
where she loved to be. Did it fall off when
you were on the ship. That's okay. Mom loved to travel.
So if she's hidden in a little knooker cranny somewhere,
she gets to travel the world on a cruise ship.
All right, I'm okay. With that. A couple of weeks later,
I just happened to open up my Facebook. I pulled

(01:43:12):
up my mom's account and I typed her message, I
miss you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
If there's any way to just give me a little
sign that you're okay and you're still around, I'd appreciate it.
And the next day, my son was looking for his
glasses and he's a little guy, so they're small glasses
and nobody could find them. Oh we look, we can't
find them. I said, there's a ten dollar reward. Suddenly
the kids were really motivated to find these glasses.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
That works.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
And my youngest son comes up to me and I
have these little clay Egyptian jars of life, and he goes, Daddy,
look what I found. And I'm looking at him, going, buddy,
what does this have to do with the glasses. He goes, well,
I was looking for Max's glasses in here, and I go, honey,
that's too small, and he goes, I know now, and
he opened it up and he tips it over and
out comes my mom's necklace. What how it ended up

(01:43:57):
in the jar of life, I don't know. But twenty
four hours of asking for a sign, I had it happen,
so to me, that was pretty powerful. I cannot explain
how it got in that jar. I just and nobody
else knew that I had lost it. I didn't talk
to anybody else about it. I just let it be.
So it wasn't like they found it. Oh, let's give

(01:44:18):
this back to dad. It was just my son was
very innocent, very young. Just look at what I found, Daddy,
and he gave me this beautiful gift back. And then
you know, I said, my dad came to me in
my dream about a month ago, month and a half ago,
I had a really cool experience. I don't let mediums
read for me. I don't want to call on my parents.

(01:44:39):
I feel like they did their part while they were here.
Let them go where they need to go. And she
was doing a gallery session and I went in and
introduced her, and I left the room and I'm out
in the lobby and for two hours, I'm texting with
my oldest friend and we're chatting about stuff. And then
I'd go, hey, i gotta go. I've got to go.
Let her know there's only five ten months left. He goes,
all right, talk to you later. I walk in the room,
I give her the high side that there's ten minutes left.

(01:45:02):
I nod to Kelly, and this was at the Palmer
House of all places, and I give the nod to
Kelly about what's going on. And as I start to
walk out diet Renee the medium, she goes, why do
I suddenly want to say hio silver? And I stopped
and I slowly turned around and looked at her, and
she goes, yeah, I just keep hearing hio silver. And

(01:45:23):
then she looks at me and she sees the shock
look at my face, and she goes, is this for you?
And I go, I don't know. She goes, this man's heyday.
He grew up in the forties and fifties, which would
have been my dad who passed away. She goes, now
he's doing Elvis and he's talking about Elvis, and it
really hits me again and I'm like, okay, all right,

(01:45:45):
and she goes, he wants to tell you there's a
big change coming. There's a big change coming, and it's
going to be good, and he just wants you to
know it's all going to be all right. And I'm
like okay, and I'm just holding myself together barely, and
I go, do you want some corroboration on what this means?

(01:46:07):
And she goes yeah, And I said, I've been out
there texting my best friend since I was a child.
We were four or five years old when we met.
We're still buddies. He's an artist and he's a musician
and he paints these beautiful statues for people. He does
commissioned work, and he was showing me some of the
pieces and he did this beautiful George Reeves Superman and
a Lone Ranger. And I said, boy, if I could

(01:46:27):
ever afford to buy one of those, I would want
one of those too, but especially the Lone Ranger. And
I stopped texting and I hit the voice memo and
I said, my fondest memory was getting up on Sunday
mornings to watch The Lone Ranger with my dad. So
that's the only message that was voice. And I text,
you know, back and forth to him and I go,
so here's the weird thing. There's your Lone Ranger tie.

(01:46:49):
She goes right. I go, second thing, you go to Elvis?
She goes right. I said, my friend Rick is an
entertainer and a musician whose voice sounds eerily like Elvis.
And he sings old fifties and sixties rockabilly songs. And
my dad loved him and went to every show he
could get to to go watch me. He loved him
like a son. And I said, so there's your Elvis connection.

(01:47:10):
And I said, and then in the final bit, you
asked me at the beginning of the show, what was
my favorite Christmas memory? And for years I've said this
was my favorite memory. The year I was maybe eight
years old, and I made them stop everywhere so I
could tell every Santa's helper. I wanted the Lone Ranger
action figure and silver and that Christmas We're at a

(01:47:30):
family party and obviously Santa's busy, so one of our
dads always had to dress up like Santa for the
party because Santa's doing his real work. And that year
it was my dad. And he's going through the bag
and finally the bag's empty, and they didn't call me up,
and I'm like, oh no, I was a bad boy, right,
And then he goes, oh, wait, what's this and he

(01:47:51):
reaches down he grabs a big box and he calls
me up and he hands it to me and I
open it up and it's the Lone Ranger and Silver
and my dad used to sing if you'remember when I
told you at the beginning. He would wake me up
in the morning with the Christmas present. Then he'd start
singing Elvis Blue Christmas so boom. Just those are the messages,
those are the signs, and it just floodgates. Man, it

(01:48:14):
was amazing to have that moment, you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
Know what I never did. Oh, by the way, when
my mom passed and she was paranormal, the Ougi Taro
Edgar Casey, that was her. That was her thing growing
up anyway, if anybody was, you know, but she didn't
do it when she passed and still hasn't or nothing

(01:48:40):
overt right, right, But no, I feel like I was cheated.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Well were you closer with your mom, Jimmy, No, No.

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
I mean I was when I was young, but we
After my parents got divorced, I went to go live
with my dad, so I only I lived with you know.
I was with my mom and dad for like the
first seven years. Then they got divorced. I was with
my mom for another year and a half, maybe two years,

(01:49:11):
and then went to go live with my dad. So
I didn't I didn't see my mom ever again. I
talked to her, but I never saw her again after that. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I'm sixty two. Probably the last time I

(01:49:31):
saw her, you know, I was ten or something. So
we stayed in touch and talked all the way up
until the day that she died. I talked to her
on the phone. She was in the hospital, and so
we were close in that sense. It wasn't like I
didn't see her again, but we stayed in touch, you know,
we stayed in touch. And I really, knowing that I

(01:49:56):
hadn't seen her in fifty years or whatever it was,
I really really wanted and I kept telling her, I'm serious.
I was having these mom do not do anything today.
She's been in the hospital for like two weeks. I'm
flying out there, and so I booked my plane tickets

(01:50:17):
and by that time, she had been resuscitated like a
dozen times, right, and she signed a do not order.
But I kept talking to the hot Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, No,
I'm her son.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Let me get there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Yeah. Yeah, And then I was I was flying out
the next day in the morning, and she passed away.
When I was on the air, I had spoken to
her like thirty minutes before, and I kind of knew
it was funny. She goes to Jesus, let me go, Man, Yeah,

(01:51:00):
I'm serious. So she was like, I'm it's just oh, man,
I keep opening up my eyes and I'm still here
kind of thing. And and I felt, I said, man,
just let me get out there and see and I
never No, it didn't happen. It didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
Although she might have done you a service with that.
Being at the side of my mom watching her past
was the toughest thing I've ever done in my life,
because you're basically watching somebody slip away and there's nothing
you can do about it. You can't dive in and
pull them to safety. You can't, you know, kick the
wild dogs that are trying to eat her. You can't

(01:51:39):
do anything. You just stand there and let them go.
And that gave me PTSD for a number of years.
There were times I had trouble falling asleep at night
because I would have that memory of the last breath,
and that was really tough. So she might have done
you a favor. And I think you don't think about this,
how many people are with their loved ones. The loved

(01:52:02):
ones are doing okay, they're they're hanging in They're like, Okay,
we're gonna run out to dinner, and as soon as
they leave the person let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
I think that's you know, there's something, there's something to that.
I'll tell you something else that was very strange. For
most of my life, I had a lot of dreams
about her. Okay, whatever they may, I'm not going to
get into that, but a lot of dreams about her.

(01:52:33):
After she passed, they stopped. They stopped completely. I don't
I don't dream about her anymore, and I think I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
I'm not going to wax philosophy or get into some
you know, psycho analytical thing on this, but the probably
because I hadn't seen her, you know, for so many
years that I was dreaming about her and seeing her again.
So there's that aspect of it. And after she passed,

(01:53:10):
that possibility was now, and so it was like my
brain stopped dreaming about it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Well, maybe as much you've heard this as much as
I have, time has no meaning on the other side. Sure,
so let me throw this to Jimmy. Sure, maybe you
were visited by your mom and dreams your whole life
after her death, and she she came to in moments
you needed to connect with her.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
I've had many friends of mine say that to me,
and I can't discount that at all. It makes a
lot of sense, I can. I can tell you I'm
saying with one hundred percent certainty that I have not
had any dreams of her since she passed. It's very strange.

(01:53:57):
Nothing intentional. It's just having dreams about or wasn't intentional,
that's just stuff that happens, right right, But yeah, really
really weird. My dad Nah, never really dream about it.
He's dead now, and.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
Then you might. But I often think this too. Part
of what drives me in this field is I've died
twice and I have no memory of a white light
or friends and relatives coming to greet me, Jesus welcoming
me with you know, loaves and fishes. There was nothing,
and then I was back, and I often thought, well, Wow,
that sucks. How come everybody else gets these great moments?

(01:54:34):
And then I think, listen, dummy, you were suicidal as
a teenager. It almost happened again when you were in
your mid twenties. Maybe you do have these moments where
you get the clarity, you get the visits, you get
the answers you need, so they're in here subconsciously. I

(01:54:55):
think if the world knew for a fact there is
something else. After words, we all like to comfort ourselves
and believe it, But if we knew it, I think
that we would see a huge changeover on this planet,
if you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, because people
knew they could hit the reset button. I think we
would see that if they knew for a fact they

(01:55:16):
could come back, or that they there was some place
else to be, there would be reset buttons being pushed
all around the world simultaneously. I like to come back
as a lion, a male lion, not me. I just
want to come back as my daughter's cat. No animal
gets more affection than my idiot daughter's cat, or not
my idiot daughter, my daughter's idiot cat, is what I

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meant to say.

Speaker 1 (01:55:38):
There's something about a cat's walk on theos. You know
what I mean? They do that Jim Morriton, total, totally, totally.
The uh. The other part about this is if somebody

(01:55:59):
we were talking about grandchildren earlier, right, you have certain
rights as an adult, and I think that one of
the other rights that everybody talks about is your parents go,
you get the visit at the foot of your bed.
These are things that you know, you hear about so
often that you look forward to it. You know, Okay, yeah,

(01:56:19):
they're going to depart this earth. But there's another part
about this that that you know, a little side benefit,
a little side hustle, that is getting the visit, you know,
at the foot of your bed. And I thought, if
anybody was going to do it, my crazy ass mom
would figure out a way. And she didn't. Now, maybe

(01:56:44):
I don't want to offend anybody here, but maybe she
just doesn't give a shit. She lived her life, if
you know what I'm saying. I'm not saying this in
an offensive way, negative way. She moved on man. Earth
is in her rear view mirror.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Yeah, and that very well could be. Or yeah, she'll
be there at the end for you, and that'll be
when she's standing at the end of your bed, which
is what a lot of people have happened. I talked
to the hospice workers where my mom passed, and many
of them said that there there would be times they'd
be working on something and I'd look up and there'd
be the woman standing out in the hall, and then

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it'd be like, you need to go back to bed now.
And then they would alert the doctors of that patient
had passed, and I go, well, you just are in
the hall, and they're like, yeah, she's hooked up to
ivs and things. We saw her in the hall, we
saw her spirit, and we'd walk in and sure enough
she was gone. So a lot of these people, though,
they said that when the end is coming, they'll start

(01:57:46):
seeing things and seeing people and hearing that. And there
are some people it's called a shared death experience where
somebody's close. You might be holding hands with mom at
that moment and she starts to see Grandpa.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
Tell you that was you? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
Well, what don't say?

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
What that noise? I didn't hear anything, Dave, do not
mess with me. Did that come from in here?

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
What'd you hear?

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
Man? Clyde Lewis is calling me again. Hang on, hang on,
hang on. I'm gonna do this live on the air.
Hey listen, man, I'm live on the air. I'll be
off the air in two minutes. Okay, cool, Yeah, I'll
come on. I'll come on all right, thank you, okay, bye?

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
What was that? What was that noise?

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
I don't know what it did sound like. I can't
tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
Okay, uh, okay, look at these. Okay, here you go.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
That was bunker ghost.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
I heard that. I heard it. Pop you. It wasn't
your chair. No, I heard it. I heard it. I
heard that. I'm just clicking through. Everybody is. They're saying
it came from my room. It was loud man. It

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was like I did.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
I did my Christmas show last night, and I had
people telling me that they could hear whispering coming through
my microphone while I was doing the show.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
Now, this was like a door slam. It was like pow, yeah,
but I don't see anything out of place. It was
loud man. What the hell?

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
It's your mom, Jimmy. She stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
I heard it in my head I heard it in
my headphones, so I thought it came from you. You're
saying you didn't hear it anything or nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:00:01):
No, I don't know what you're reacting to. But everybody,
I think it came from behind you. I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:00:09):
All the guitars are up. No, everything's normal in here.

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
It was loud man, Jimmy Church, nothing's ever normal around you.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Come on, that's uh, nothing's moved in here. Nothing nothing,
nothing has moved.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
It was I got a call a second later from
from our buddy Clyde Lewis.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
That's crazy interesting, that's crazy, that's crazy. It it was.
It was loud, loud, like loud. I can't explain it,
like a slamming door or.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
It was loud.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
But there's nothing. I didn't see anything.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
My heart good old saying a clause too much?

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
All right, where can everybody go and check out the
Palmer House?

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
Check out? Uh the Palmerhouse dot com is the best
way to keep up. Or check out my website pist
dot com to keep up on my podcast and radio
show and all of the cool stuff I'm a part of.

Speaker 1 (02:01:24):
So Jimmy, Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas, Dave new Year, thank
you man, love you brother. And uh now I've got
to go do a I got to go do a
ghost hunt. Thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
See it's your fault, man, it's your fault.

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
It's your fault, Dave, Love you man. Merry Christmas to
you and Winnie and and and your twenty two kids,
and just have fun. Love you man, all right, take care.
Dave Schrader, perfect night here on the show. I don't
know what that was. There's nothing out of place. I
heard it and that was pretty nuts. I got nothing,

(02:02:03):
I got nothing, all right, everybody, Merry Christmas. Just have
an amazing, amazing holiday, Christmas Eve, Tomorrow, Christmas Day, going
into the holiday weekend. Be safe, have fun, and much
joy to you your family and friends. All rimio Jimmy Church.

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I'll see everybody right back here on Monday, but until then,
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Speaker 2 (02:02:48):
Music by Doug Albridge. Intro Spaceboy.

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Jimmy Church, Go Beckley Tappy