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October 14, 2025 21 mins

Beyond Harps and Clouds: Rethinking Heaven, Work, and Eternity

Join host Justin Forman and author Jordan Raynor in Dallas for a paradigm-shifting conversation about what heaven actually looks like—and why it matters for your business today. Jordan unpacks how cultural half-truths about eternity rob entrepreneurs of purpose in the present and hope for the future, revealing a biblical vision of the new earth that changes everything.

Discover why most Christians spend more time planning vacations than thinking about eternity, how redemptive Excel spreadsheets can be more heavenly than harps, and why understanding our eternal work with Christ unlocks joy and freedom in business right now.

Key Topics:

  • Half-truths about heaven that rob entrepreneurs of purpose and hope
  • Why "matter doesn't matter" is terrible theology (and worse business philosophy)
  • The new earth: God's promise to make earth our perfect and permanent home
  • How work in eternity transforms how we work today
  • Finding freedom from hurry by understanding eternity is "now in session"
  • The "someday maybe / new earth" folder: Making peace with unfinished symphonies
  • Why Isaiah 65 and Revelation 21-22 should excite every entrepreneur

Notable Quotes:

"Most Christian entrepreneurs I know are not excited about ideas of harps and clouds, which frankly scares the crap out of most people, Christians included." - Jordan Raynor

"If our ultimate reality is working with King Jesus on earth, guess what? Eternity is now in session." - Jordan Raynor

"Most Christians I know have spent more time thinking about a single week-long vacation than they have thought about the nature of eternity." - Jordan Raynor

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