June 19, 2025 • 58 mins
Arthur couldn't be with us as we recorded the episode, so he recorded his parts early and danged if it don't sound like he was there with us! Arthur was starting on his first shift at McDonald's and was happy with his first day of work. He mentions it in his corner. Meanwhile Dad, Mom and Brenda discuss Delphine LaLaurie, her life and strangeness and how cruel she was to her slaves. We also discuss the wider specter of slavery, suggest perhaps some reasons for her crueltties (not that she deserves our kindness) and try to sift out the truth from what has been so buried in folklore and tales for tourists when we get down to the nitty gritty in this tales for tourists be damned episode of the Family Plot Podcast!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, I'm Dean, I'm the dad.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I'm Laura, I'm the mom.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I'm Arthur, I'm the son.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
And together we are fairly plot And this week we're
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And now we're two this week's topic.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
You so before we talked about this week's topic, just
adds up. We will be dealing with some pretty nasty
topics this week, including slavery and cruelty and a little
bit of black magic right possibly.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, supposedly black magic.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
While we do never dig too deeply into sadistic injuries
of in kind, we will be referencing them.
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So if this is triggering.
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To you, you do matter, Please skip this episode and
go on to another one that's more to your life.
We want to make sure that all of our fans
staysts happy and healthy, especially their mental.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Health exactly, so tonight we go back to New Orleans,
or as I like to say, at Nilens in the
late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds to discuss high
society slave owner and sadistic killer Madame Delphine Lolori. We
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look into her birth, life and death in this kind
of Spooky Man? Are we glad to have Brenda back?
Special episode of the family past.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I always love when Brenda comes to visit. I'm totally
doing a happy dance.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Well, hey, I'm the Queen of Spooky.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
It's coming back to hang.
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Out with us more.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Yay to be To be very honest, I can't wait
to get to you your episode that I know is
waiting in there for me. So that's that's much.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's the next thing we get to go do.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
That's my Wednesday night thing. As I listened to horrifying
history and scared to death.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Scared to death not make people have insomnia, but they
learned something along the way.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well, I can't imagine your wonderful, perky voice putting anybody
to sleep. So somebody having insomnia, I don't know that
that's gonna help him very much, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
So let's talk slavery in the seventeen hundreds and eighteen
hundreds here in America, slavery especially in the American South,
with their agrarian economies were quite common. In fact, wealthy
people from Europe would come to America, often bringing slaves
with them. However, recent history had created fears among American
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slave owners. On August twenty first and twenty second, in
the north of Saint Domingue, the country that would eventually
become Haiti, and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. In
seventeen ninety one, many slaves would kick off several organized
uprisings where the slaves demanded freedom and equal treatment under
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the law. Over one hundred thousand slaves revolted so many
that the French colony was unable to ever subdue them.
Sub subdue then, need that be in there, that's important.
By eighteen oh four, they had made the island their own,
and now a slaving colony was run by former slaves.
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Also in seventeen ninety one, a group of Mina slaves,
slaves who spoke a specific dialect not native or common
to the area, planned to steal weapons from the man
who owned them, take over the plantation, and free themselves.
They were inspired by the uprisings in Saint Dominge in
seventeen ninety four in the same area part of Louisiana
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called Pointe Coupe. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. It's
been well since I've done French. A group of slaves
made plans to acquire weapons and fight for their freedom.
Then the plot was discovered before it was too far
gone to stop, leading to arrests and trials for many
of those involved. In eighteen eleven on the Andres plantation
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on what was called the German Coast, a section of
the Mississippi River north of New Orleans, somewhere between two
hundred and five hundred slaves revolted, so good for them.
It was the large revolt of slaves an American was
downplayed in history for years. These slaves wanted freedom and
were only put down by several local militias banding together
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with federal troops. Many of the slaves who led the
revolt had their heads put on pikes. These later revolts
were also inspired by the revolt in Haiti. So many
American slave owners were very worried about revolution, and many
punished their slaves harder than they might have otherwise for
fear of insurrection.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
And I like the fact that you used the word
revolts so many times in there, because the whole thought
was revolting to me.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah, every time I say it. All I can remember
is History of the World Part one where Brooks is
playing King Henry and someone says, tells the King the
peasants are revolting, and he says, you said it. They
stink on ice.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
That was a good movie, by the way, Yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yes, great movie. Okay, And what I'm going to offer
this next section to our our dear friend, Yeah, our.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Lovely friend, miss Brenda, who's come to visit us.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
We're so glad and to tell such dark stories. But
let's get into the history. The Louisiana Purchase Treaty was
signed on April thirtieth, eighteen oh three. Now, before that,
Louisiana was a former Spanish colony that had become a
French colony. It was traded back and forth between the
two several times. While it was located in what would
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become America, it was not yet part of the United
States until the Louisiana Purchase made it so, and even
then it retained its Spanish and French influences that can
be seen and felt in the area today. This is
the environment both political and physical, which Delphine was born.
And with these two historical narratives, we now can start
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our dark tape.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
All she's just so impressive.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I know, like she just she sounds like a book.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I just adore our friend Brenda.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Well, now that we have our bases down and little
Delphine has been born into the world at large, maybe
we should take a moment.
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On March nineteen, seventeen eighty seven, Delphine Lelorie was born
Marie Delphine McCarty to Louis Bartholomei McCarty and his wife,
Jean Laus Larable McCarty darn. It was Jean's second marriage
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and she birthed five children to her husband Louis. We
do not know how many were older or younger siblings.
As this has information has become lost to history, or
at least I couldn't find it in my research. Louisiana
was a Spanish territory at the time of her birth
and Delphine's parents were quite well respected within the European
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Creole community within New Orleans, where they lived. One of
her uncles had been governor of the Spanish provinces of
Louisiana and Florida. Her cousin would become mayor of New
Orleans in eighteen fifteen after it had been incorporated into
the United States. So our family had both money and
political power. She would marry her first husband, Don Ramon
(11:05):
de lopeziegun Angelo, a high ranking Spanish official, when she
was thirteen. Yikes. I know it was a different time,
but still, yikes. I've met thirteen year olds. Not one
of them I would have said was ready to be
for marriage. Their wedding was held on June eleventh, eighteen hundred.
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Four years later, the couple were going to the Royal
Court in Madrid. While the boat carrying Don Ramon and
his young pregnant wife stopped in Havana. Her husband died
there causes unknown. Dying of unknown cousiness was quite common
in the seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds, as we
discussed in our episode about Gentleman bandit James McClain, Episode two,
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forty eight. If you want to check it out, go ahead,
We'll wait while there. Delphine would give birth to their daughter,
whom she named Marie Borgia Delphine Lopez yng Jo Della Candelaria,
but was nicknamed Workita or Workwita. I'm not sure of
the pronunciation. Uh after, I would call her that because
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that's a lot of name to give a kid.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Yeah, they can't write their name till they're forty five.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Geez, maybe not even men in this time. They didn't
even teach girls to.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Write exactly, Why would you need that when you get
married at thirteen?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Not only that, Brenda, but can you imagine having the
yellow tack kid?
Speaker 7 (12:30):
My goodness, Well, you know when the parents given all
the names with holding their shoe, the kid would be
long gone.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no way, not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
After this, the widow and her daughter would return ridturn
to New Orleans, New Orleans. Okay, now we're gonna take
a moment for Arthur's corner again.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Here, ye, here, ye, allow me to present Arthur's Corner.
Welcome back to my corner.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
It is I Arthur.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Now you may be a bit confused as to why
this may sound a little bit different from the rest
of day audio.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I'm at work today. I got a job.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I've been talking about this for a little while, and
you know, for future episodes, I have let my Grace's
Manners manager know that I have specific times I need
to be here, But today she has decided that since
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I am training, I need to be here. I needed
to be there at two to nine, so that's perfectly fine.
But I can't be here while i'm that world. So
this is what you're getting, Gippie for me having work.
I hope they tell you guys how their days have
(14:09):
been without me asking, because I can't be there to
ask them that they better they better tell you. They
better tell you guys. Anyways, that's about it. Thank you
guys for coming to my corner, even if it's short.
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Upon returning to New Orleans, Delphine and her daughter would
stay with her parents until she met a later and
lady later married a banker, lawyer, and lawmaker by the
name of Jeene Blanc. They went in June of eighteen
oh eight, and Delphine was twenty one. Around that time,
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Jeane was older. How much older we don't know either,
due to the loss of the historical records, or those
records simply not being kept. They moved into a home
he purchased, which was dubbed Ville Blanc. She had four
children with Jeane, three girls and a boy who was
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named at least partially after his father. Jean would die
in eighteen sixteen of unrecorded causes dang causes. We also
know that Jean sold slaves around this time, almost two
hundred of them. He only purchased about ninety of them. However,
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he had no plantation for them to work. Some think
he leased out slaves to rich plantation owners who needed
the help. Others think he's small uggled them in from
other places to sell or rent out. All of this
is lost to history, and we have almost no evidence
that Delphine had any hand in this business.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Well, before I go into the next part of this story,
I just find very interesting the name of the house
is bill Blanc, which is white in English. Considering dear
slave owners, I thought that was ironic.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, just a little.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
So I wanted to take a moment to thank you
guys for having me on your show again. I honestly,
I just love hanging out with you guys and talking history,
and in case your listeners want to hear some more
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one and Blue Sky by just searching for our show name.
But enough of that stuff. Let's get back to the
good stuff, Delphine.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
So in the best freenda, we're so glad you're here
with us as well.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yes, and if you're not listening, it's a when air
show comes out every Wednesday, it's a perfect night to
get a little historic and a little spooky.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I like it absolutely, and it's excellent.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Well, thanks guys, and let's go and talk a little
bit about what happened next with Delphine, because she's not
done with the marrying yet. In eighteen twenty five, a
twenty year old doctor named Leonard Louis Nicholas Lelori would
arrive in Louisiana for prance. He set up a practice
in New Orleans where he specialized in none of this
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straightening crooked backs. So in other words, he's a care
practor Delphine's son had some sort of injury to his
back that history didn't record, so we have no idea
what the issue was. This story may be more legend
in fact, but it's the best we could find, whatever
the case. Upon their meeting, the now thirty five year
old Delphine fell for the young doctor. On June twenty fifth,
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that same year, the pair were red. Delphine would purchase
a home without much of Leonard's involvement, if he was
involved in all at all. The property was located at
eleven forty Royal Street. Within a year of purchasing it,
she had a two story house built on the property,
complete with slave quarters. She and her doctor husband soon
moved into the home, but cracks started showing their marriage
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when Delphine filed court paperwork to force Leonard out of
the home. This must have corrected itself, because he was
still at home in eighteen thirty four when the fire began.
Delphine she was also hard on her slaves, Twelve of
them died in her home between eighteen thirty one and
eighteen thirty four. Why how the causes of these deaths
are not recorded, But what we could find it seems
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to be an excessive amount in three years, even though
it was in the eighteen thirties. Those around her said
that her slaves seemed haggard compared to other enslaved people,
but in public many said that she was polite to
enslaved people and even inquired about their health and well being. Oh,
that's so kind of her, So such.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
A caring lady.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Amazing. So let's take a break and here from some
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Speaker 9 (21:11):
It was time to get back to the show, all right.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
So at this point in our story, there were some
rumors that were starting to filter around. Rumors were beginning
to spread about the alleged mistreatment of slaves at the
Royal Street Home, so Manny, rumors in fact, that a
lawyer was sent by home exactly Dean couldn't really find
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and I certainly don't know to the home to remind
Delphine and her family of the laws concerning the treatment
of their slaves. That same lawyer inspected the home's no
signs that anything was wrong and.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Apocryphal.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
That's I didn't know that word was spun. Like that
tail told around this time is that a twelve year
old girl some stories suggest she may have been as
young as eight, was brushing Delphine's hair and hit a snag,
causing Delphine to get so angry that she grabbed a
whip and chased the child, who ran all the way
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to the roof of the house before she fell to
her death. We know this story is apocryphal, as there's
no registry of death to commemorate the event, and the
story has changed significantly over time. According to some However,
this event led to an investigation which ultimately led to
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nine slaves being removed from the home. These slaves were
reacquired by the Lolories by having them, or just by
a relative who gave them back. Thus, the slaves who
were freed were forced back into the mansion. Another tale
is that the cook, who was also a slave, was
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kept chained to the stove, and her daughters were beaten
anytime the woman attempted to feed them or anyone else.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
That was not a lolory.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
She's just a delightful individual.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
She yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But remember when she's out in public, she.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Yeah, she probably wants to know how much breaking it
would do.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
To break their spear. But when she's in public, she
asked them how their health is.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Yeah, I know, so she knows all of it she
would take to break them.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Come all about the appearances, all right?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
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On April tenth, a fire broke out at the Lalorie home,
and the bystanders rushed in to help the family and
make sure everyone got out. The bystanders discovered a seven
year old cook who claimed she.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Who was clean, who.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Was chained to the stove by her ankle. She claimed
that she set the fire because the slaves who were
taken upstairs never came back, and since the threat had
been made to take her there, she started a fire
as a way to end pair suffering.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
The buying standers, including a.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Judge, attempted to get the keys from the lorries to
make sure that all the slaves had been evacuated as well.
Neither the louri would give up their keys, so the
helpers broke down and broke the door down. Inside the
upstairs room, they found seven people who were changed to
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the walls, with torn muscles, with marks on their backs,
and wearing iron spiked collars that were forced this that
forced the slaves to hold their heads still. They were
emaciated as if they were not eating or were they
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fed very little. The slaves were freed and taken to
normal to the taken to the New Orleans Jail, where
they were seen as by a doctor as well as
mistreated as several thousand citizens who wanted to see the
truth about how the little lorries mistreated their slaves for themselves.
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After this, the mob came came to the house on
Royal Street, which was already severely damaged by fire, and
began to tear it apart. It is said that after
the mob got through, the only thing left standing were walls.
Her guys, I don't like this woman. From when I'm
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still here and I don't like this woman. I don't
like her.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I don't like her.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Poor innocent people.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
They didn't even do anything.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I would line a whole house on fire too.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Actually were really they weren't very impressed with the way
she managed your household, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah, it's also weird because slavery was legal, so in
some extent some of these had to be slaves owning people,
and they're.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Oh, no, I get that, but it's kind of a
difference between having a horse and I'm not comparing people
the horses, please understand that, but it's kind of the
difference between having a worker and having a worker that
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is working because you are beating them with a whip
kind of thing. It's it's a difference between yes, slavery
is allowed, but at the same time, there's slavery and
then there's being a monster slaver, which is kind of
where these people it's that shame on you, shame on me,
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but shame on you because you're.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Doing what I'm doing bad.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Plus more, well, what.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
I find I find that they have well, they had
laws about how they were treat slavery like our treat slaves.
And it again with that they've had that for years,
so they knew how to, for lack of better terms,
treat the slaves, but to have a person who's a
high society woman basically torturing these people constantly. It's you
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wouldn't expect that of a high society woman. So that's
I think as part of why it was such a shock.
But also they these people they owned slaves, like you said,
but to see the slaves in this condition, it shows
they had like a one drop of humanity, right, one
drup But I think a lot of it had to
do with just not as much as that, as more
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of her stature in the city. You know, she was
related to the or the mayor, she had everybody in politics.
A person like that would do that to other people.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Absolutely, you got it for sure, same thing, all right.
So after the what would you call that, the group
of discontent citygoers amb discontent citizens, completed.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
By their emergency renovation of her house the.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Emergency defolition upon the house.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
From there, Delphine fled to Mobile, Alabama, and from Alabama
she went to Paris. While in Paris she made the
declaration that she would return to Portland's. She did while
at least not while she was alive. Eventually she would
die on September seventh, eighteen forty nine, at the age
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of baby Did I say September.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I mid December, you said September.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Eventually she would die on December seventh, eighteen forty nine,
at the age of sixty two.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
In Paris.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Her son would have her body return to America, and
she was laid to rest in the Saint Louis Cemetery.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
One in New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
The home at Royal Street would not survive much longer
than the fire that gutted it, and it became several businesses,
including a restaurant, a furniture store, and an apartment complex. Eventually,
the replica, a replica of the home was built on
the spot, and that home was even briefly owned by
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Nicholas Cage. Today it is a supposedly truly haunted home
that you can visit, and actually true story, our former
daughter in law worked with a company that went in
and did tours of that mansion because they live full
(30:53):
time down in New Orleans.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
So oh, that's cool. I took a tour to see
the Lori House when I was in New Orleans, and
the one thing that strikes me about you know Nicholas
Cage bought the house, is the tour guide told us
that he actually sold after he basically was losing it
to the bank, but also being arrested twice because on
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Royal Street he went out naked and drunk and was
renting and raving at the people that's outside of the street.
And I'm like, man, this place is a cool place.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
No, I kind of I can believe that about one
of our Hollywood.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Yeah, but he didn't just do it once. He did
it twice.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
But Nicholas Cage is one of those guys like Johnny
Depp that just doesn't seem to understand how to function
in the real world and just does a lot of crazy,
crazy stuff. And I mean, he and Jim Carrey had
been friends forever, so and Jim Carrey doesn't do stuff
(31:59):
like that. I don't I could be wrong.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Harry was a good Canadian boy who moved to the state.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
So yeah, well, speaking of him doing weird things, you
have to book to go and see Saint Louis Cemetery
number one and uh we you go in there and
Nicholas Gage, I don't know if you've heard, but he
had he bought a mauslee and there he had it
built and it's a pyramid because that makes so much,
It makes so much sense in New Orleans to build
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a pyramid.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Absolutely, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Why not? You know you have too much money? When exactly.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
So, we'll take another pause there for our sponsors again.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Well, the story we told up to now, except for
the tid bits that we believe either were made up
or greatly exaggerated, is a true tale, supported by historical evidence. However,
other tales have been told and are still being told,
about the going ons at the mansion. According to these tales,
Llaurie had one woman's arms and legs broken and allowed
them to heal in odd positions, essentially making her a
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human crab. Another man was said to have been made
into a human centipede. Ew really bad idea. Further stories
to tell up other horrors we're not going to share today.
And in one case, though, a man was said to
have a hold in his skull and still be he
was alive. It's important to note that none of this
is supported by any historical evidence, but these tales are
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often still told if you visit the spooky Lolori mansion. Now,
I can't attest to this because I took a tour
to see this place and they present a lot of
speculation and legend as fact.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
That is the one thing I don't like about New
Orleans is almost any place you go, you don't get
real history. What you get is the story that's built
up over the years, and the story is quite often
there's bones of truth in it, but the flesh on
those bones is definitely not anywhere near what had been
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there in life.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
I kept why they do it. I get it. You know,
they're trying to boost their tourism. But you don't really
need to make this story worse. It's already really bad.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, Okay, there's enough we're room in here
that I can put in a word from our sponsors.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
So I'm just going to go on to the next list.
Next part here, let's talk about the spooky stuff that
happens there today. People visiting the mansion often report the
sounds of moaning emanating from the upstairs area, near where
the slaves would have been kept. Others talk of feeling
a negative energy that permeates the house and areas near
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the house. Still others complain of hearing phantom footsteps throughout
the building. A dark figure is often seen within the home.
Some claim it is the ghost of doctor law Lourie,
while others claim it is the victim of a murder
that happened when the building was apartments. Some claim to
see the ghostly form of Delphine herself within the home,
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and when it was briefly a school for girls, many
of the girls claimed a ghostly entergy scratched and bruised them.
Many think this entity was also Delphine, who I wouldn't
put it past her. She was crazy, Like.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
She's mean in life and she's mean in death.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
She hasn't changed, Honey, you want to well, no, I
got it.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
We got it.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
So we're gonna talk really quickly about the pop culture
and legacy. My favorite, of course you know this about me,
was when actress Kathy Bates played a heavily fictionalized version
of the character and won awards and honors for her performance.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
The character.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Was also and that was an American horror story, and
she was amazing in that and creepy beyond all rights.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
But they also could inflated her with Elizabeth Bathory, Like
they didn't say she was her, but they sort of compared.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
Yeah, it was hinted.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Yeah, And her story has also appeared in a mystery
novel by Barbara Hanby, and in Scott Alexander's Unsong, she
is touted as living in the nicest part of hell.
She was almost certainly a serial killer, responsible for the
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death and mistreatment of many of her slaves, and as
we've definitely covered so far in the show, she was
certainly quite fuel However, with the spread of modern stories
of bloody medical experiences, she has been elevated to the
level of a Jeffrey Dahmer of the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Fancy gon't it? There we go? So should we take
a moment for a final word from ours?
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Yeah, we got to keep Spreaker happy. We got to
keep Spreaker happy.
Speaker 9 (37:36):
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Speaker 5 (37:57):
Yay for sponsoring Lexis. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Okay, you did a happy dance.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I was tickling you.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
So okay.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
We got to finish the show, all right, So we've
come to our favorite part of the show for summary
and final thoughts.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
And since Brenda's the guest.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
And after you, Brenda, Well, the thing is with Delphine Lelorie.
The problem is with this whole story is there's just
not enough documentation to tell us exactly what happened, and
there's a lot of different thoughts. Was she the serial
killer that people think she is, or was her husband
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promoting that or pushing that because of he was a
doctor in experiments. There's been a lot of thoughts on that.
There's been a lot of thoughts on that. And look,
when I looked into this, I couldn't help but think,
you know, they both I think they were both doing it.
They were both torturing these people, and I think that
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they thought they had the rights to do it because
of where they sat in society, and nobody has a
right to treat other human beings. How they treated these
people doesn't matter. The times it's not okay. But with
that said, the one thing I've learned when I was
out there on a tour is they thought she was
in Saint Louis Cemetery number one, but that they don't know.
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They have no idea she could. They think that they
took her body was taken out and put in another
family cemetery in the area because they were afraid that
either people would try to worship her or try to
do something to the actual cemetery that the mausoleum itself.
So nobody really knows one hundred percent where she is,
just like nobody knows one hundred percent of how truly
horrible she was.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Hope she died in that thought, No she didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Oh wait, she's in Hell so no. No.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
In fact, she moves to France and I's there for
the rest of her life and now she's dead. She
didn help. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Any time.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
We look into anything to do with slavery, I am
always struck by just how ridiculous it seems to me
that one person is ownable or not ownable based entirely
on the content of melanin in their skin, which is
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not something that they have any control over.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
I agree with you, and it comes into just overall racism.
Everybody tries to get a summer tan and get as
you get or spray tan themselves as dark as they are,
but they have a problem because people have a different
melanin than themselves. It doesn't it doesn't make any sense
to me either.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
It to me either.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
So and to me it's ridiculous that we fought a
war over this, But it's also ridiculous that and we
try very hard not to get political, but the current
administration like wants to wipe out black history, and the
newest reason I can figure out why is a lot
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of it doesn't make white people look that good. But
it's history. It is what it is. You can't change it.
You can just try to be better from it.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
Right, And it's very important to know what happens so
you don't repeat it.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
So exactly, so we don't repeat it. You're absolutely right,
Brenda couldn't agree more.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
So that part of this is horrible to me no
matter what. And like, I didn't put in everything I found.
I found in more than one source. Like apparently, like
he when people were at one point publicly talking about
how bad they treated their slaves, doctor Lolori was like, well,
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that's what you get for coming to someone else's house
and telling them how to do their what they do.
Just like, really, that that's it. That's the hill you're
gonna die on you.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
And he's a doctor and doctors are supposed to have
empathy and he has absolutely none.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah, for sure. And then Delphine Laurie said something along
the same thing, not the exact same, but she did
publicly sort of defended, Hey, I'll treat my slaves how
I want. And I just again, I don't get that.
I don't get owning other humans, and I really don't
get mistreating other humans that you own, unless, of course
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they're your children. And then your children were meant to
be remote controls for things that God never made remote
controls for, like there's never no remote control to get
you a soda out of the fridge, but one of
your children will do it.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
I agree. But the thing when I was going diving
into the research that bugged me the most is her
slaves got taken away due to mistreatment. All she did
is say go to her cousin on the street and say, hey,
I'll spot you a twenty go pick them up for me,
And she brought them back home to treat them even worse.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
To just why would they sell them again?
Speaker 8 (43:11):
You know, well they did.
Speaker 7 (43:13):
They had slave markets there, and I'm pretty sure there
was other people around that's seen it, but nobody stopped it,
even though they knew how she treated those same people
like It really shows just how much how important your
place in society meant back then, right.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Exactly, And that might have only worked in some place
like New Orleans where there was still a cast system.
Now I'm not saying the rest of the country wasn't racist,
but it didn't have quite the same cast system that
New Orleans did. It didn't have that leftover French nobility
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Spanish nobility kind of system kind of thing. I'm sure
I sound stupid, but.
Speaker 7 (44:04):
No, I know exactly. I know exactly what you mean.
They were. They were still holding on and they still
do today, their Spanish and their French influences. So that's
where again why they had laws about slavery where other
states didn't at the time is because they brought that
in from from the Spaniards. So it's very, very influenced.
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But also the same breath when you're sitting in so society,
she's high up, are you going to say anything against her,
how she's mistreating her slaves. A lot of people probably not,
because what they care about is climbing up that ladder.
Speaker 6 (44:38):
Exactly how can I get myself to the station where
you are? Kind of thing. And there's a lot of
butt kissing going on.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Well, look to be honest.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Like when when the lawyer came to the house, he's
and I looked in the research when he made a
statement later on saying I seen her and she was
Delphine Laurie was so beautiful and regal. She couldn't be
miss or miss h abusing her slaves, mistreating them just
because of how she looked. She had a nice dress.
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It's like, my gosh, it's a good thing you're not
a detective today.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
I mean, going back to even the levels.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
That we're at right now, that people cast judgment on
transgender individuals, chet past judgment on you know, people who
dress and drag like, for some reason, how you look
the person that you were born to be. For some reason,
some people think just looking at you is enough to
(45:47):
tell them everything about you and they can just judge
you from that, And it's just it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 7 (45:54):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
For a while, when I was doing stand up, I
also was Kansas City's only fat male stripper. And I'm
not I'm not saying that to brag or anything else,
but but my most popular outfit was either like a
Catholic schoolgirl or some form of outfit where I started
(46:19):
dressed as a woman, and then you know, it was
it became obvious I was a guide, not that it
ever wasn't because I have this, you.
Speaker 6 (46:26):
Know, he has always worn facial hair.
Speaker 11 (46:30):
The whole time.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Yeah, but one night. I was on my way to
a gig, so I was, I had to wig on.
I was fully dressed, ready to go when I got
to this gig and I stopped at a stoplight because
you're supposed to, and the guy who pulled up next
to me began to yell at me and spit at
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my car. And I'm not sure if he thought I
was trans or a drag queen or what he thought,
but boy, he was offended by whatever he thought I was.
And that stuck with me because I just like he
knew nothing about Like if I had stopped and got
out and explained it to him, I'm sure he would
(47:16):
have been, oh, well, sorry about all that, But I don't.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
Know a lot of he was carrying on, just seeing you.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
He was carrying on because in his head I was
drag or gay or transvestite or something and all of
that and being mad at someone for any of that
is stupid.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Stupid.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Yes, it was working, I was, I was. I was
doing a job at the time, so I didn't care
what he thought. I went on to my gig and
had fun like I always did. But so I just
I don't know. I just I've seen people be stupid
over stupid things, and I just think I just think
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slavery and racism are both so stupid, and I just don't.
I don't get needing to hate another person by something
as ridiculous as the color of their skin. I just
I don't. And I guess that'll be my final thought
on this, because I just no matter how I do, yeah,
(48:25):
no matter how I stack it up, I just don't.
I don't see it.
Speaker 7 (48:29):
I agree. But the one thing I think these people
who are judging others by what they're wearing, who they
pray to, what color their skin is, they need to
go and do some into reflection and take all that
bad energy they're putting out and fix themselves. And if
they would just look at themselves from outside in, they
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would see how poisonous they actually are.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
See And that's I agree with you one hundred percent.
I think that a lot of the issues that we
see in the world today come from people who are
really unhappy with.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
The life that they have.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
And just like my parents used to tell me in
the schoolyard when kids were picking on me, you have
to be pretty miserable to want to go out and
make other people miserable.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
In order to make yourself feel better.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
Yeah, and that has always stuck with me, and I
think that's why I try to be such a positive
person and we try to have such a family dynamic
as part of our show, as part of our group
that we have on Facebook, we really push that. You
see you see that we're like that every time we
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get together. But when you're happy with who you are
and happy with the life that you try to live
for yourself, even if I'm not happy with everything going
on in our lives, I'm still out to make build
other people up, not tear other people down, because I'm
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not miserable with who I see in.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
The mirror, right And the only people who get away
with that, in my mind are people who live in
New York, which, to quote paton Oswalt, very famous comedian,
if you live in New York long enough, apparently you
sort of begin to think, I want someone to be sad,
and I want it to be my fault.
Speaker 7 (50:31):
And you know, I just I have a saying I'll
say it to you off air about people like this,
but either way, it's not good for children's consumption. But
the reality of it is, I think that people who
do things like that who go after individuals who are
different are doing it because they're fearful and they're not
(50:51):
feeling good about themselves. And how better to make yourself
feel better than to stomp on somebody else exactly, And
if you go on social media, there's a whole lot
of stomping. And that's why I post mostly dog pictures,
uh Like Doures, I just post pictures of the puppy,
because you know what life is supposed to be good, right,
(51:15):
and there's so much bad in it, why you're making
it worse?
Speaker 5 (51:19):
Absolutely, I personally feel like anybody who has so many
problems that they're taking to the internet to attack others,
those people need to be rounded up, put into a
small room in their home and fed a heroic dose
what Terrence mckinna calls a heroic dose of mushrooms five
(51:40):
dry grams. And I think let them weed themselves out
the just thing. You put them on that level of
dose of mushrooms.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
They're that nasty in the in the everyday world, and
you give them a bunch of a bunch a hero
worctos of mushrooms, I feel like they're probably gonna take
themselves out.
Speaker 5 (52:06):
I don't know about that, but I feel like you'd.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Be slamming into walls.
Speaker 7 (52:10):
And mirrors at least it's not.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
I just feel like they'll go, oh my god, I've
been doing it wrong this whole time. I am so
sorry everyone. I mean, I think it'll take them a
while to get there. That's why you need the five
drag grands.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
But think so.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
But I think you'll see a lot of apologies.
Speaker 6 (52:28):
And because wishful thinker right there, that's what that is.
Speaker 12 (52:33):
Yeah, evolves our problems with nasty people could be fixed
with a little bit of illicit substances.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
The world would be much chiller.
Speaker 5 (52:47):
But they're beginning to use psychedelic substances in psychiatric medicine
and it works. It cures depression in it cures at times.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
I mean, nothing's ever going to work for everybody. I
don't think.
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Maybe not, but there's they're seeing good results, which makes
me think that you know, you go in and you
break up someone's ego, if their ego isn't being good
to them, then when they come back from their trip
to planet X, they're like, oh my god, I see
a different way, and then maybe they can rejoin society
and be useful and helpful and.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
See's a lot of maybe. Baby.
Speaker 7 (53:29):
That's this is like a whole mk ultra conversation we're
getting into now.
Speaker 6 (53:34):
Yeah, reprogram these guys really getting out there.
Speaker 7 (53:39):
But if it makes you feel better, what I do
tell people is you either need to get drunk, you
need to have substances, or you need to do something else.
What I'm not saying on air to just make these
people happy. You know, one of the three things will
make them, or maybe all of them will improve their attitude.
But if not, just a hell of hope, stay home
(54:01):
and get keep off the computer. That's all I'm saying,
look at pictures.
Speaker 5 (54:09):
And that brings us to the end of our show. Unfortunately,
thanks to Brenda of Horrifying History for joining us once more.
We love you much. I love you too, like.
Speaker 6 (54:24):
You are our favorite guest next to Uncle Danny.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:28):
I was gonna say, I known Uncle Danny since I
was in my twenties, and now I'm in my fifties,
so it's been a minute since I've I'm known m So.
Speaker 7 (54:36):
I have to work harder to beat Uncle Danny levels
what you're saying for him.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
For me, you already are.
Speaker 5 (54:45):
But Okay, here's the thing of all the indie podcasts
I listen to, which I consider you an indie podcaster
because you're not, you know, sponsored up like Joe Rogan
or nothing. But out of all your like the most professional.
I love your show. I never want to listened to
your show. And when you know, she should change this,
(55:07):
or she should do that, or it's always just wow,
that was such a great episode.
Speaker 13 (55:13):
Because because our Brenda is phenomenal, so when you join us,
it just it makes me feel like everything we do
is elevated.
Speaker 5 (55:23):
And I appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (55:25):
Oh that's the sweetest thing. Thank you here here, we
appreciate you so much. I just am a girl in
my basement doing the best I can.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
Yeah. Well, some of the people that have left you
left you recent because you recently did the Hotel Roosevelt.
I want to say the Roosevelt Hotel where Marilyn's been
seen and.
Speaker 7 (55:53):
Oh Cecil, oh yeah, n Roosevelt and the Roosevelt. Yeah,
she was in two place.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
I was gonna say, because someone like hosted a response,
but like, Marilyn's never been seen in that mirror ever,
And I'm like, where are you getting this information? And
of course you can't respond to. So I'm just like,
why would you even write something that is so easily disprovable.
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People don't breathe oxygen? Yeah they do here. Here's all
the anyway. So yeah, yeah, be nice to Brenda. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yes, nice.
Speaker 5 (56:36):
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And now we're two this week's topic.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
You so before we talked about this week's topic, just
adds up. We will be dealing with some pretty nasty
topics this week, including slavery and cruelty and a little
bit of black magic right possibly.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, supposedly black magic.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
While we do never dig too deeply into sadistic injuries
of in kind, we will be referencing them.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So if this is triggering.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
To you, you do matter, Please skip this episode and
go on to another one that's more to your life.
We want to make sure that all of our fans
staysts happy and healthy, especially their mental.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Health exactly, so tonight we go back to New Orleans,
or as I like to say, at Nilens in the
late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds to discuss high
society slave owner and sadistic killer Madame Delphine Lolori. We
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look into her birth, life and death in this kind
of Spooky Man? Are we glad to have Brenda back?
Special episode of the family past.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I always love when Brenda comes to visit. I'm totally
doing a happy dance.
Speaker 7 (04:08):
Well, hey, I'm the Queen of Spooky.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
It's coming back to hang.
Speaker 8 (04:11):
Out with us more.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Yay to be To be very honest, I can't wait
to get to you your episode that I know is
waiting in there for me. So that's that's much.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's the next thing we get to go do.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
That's my Wednesday night thing. As I listened to horrifying
history and scared to death.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
Scared to death not make people have insomnia, but they
learned something along the way.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well, I can't imagine your wonderful, perky voice putting anybody
to sleep. So somebody having insomnia, I don't know that
that's gonna help him very much, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
So let's talk slavery in the seventeen hundreds and eighteen
hundreds here in America, slavery especially in the American South,
with their agrarian economies were quite common. In fact, wealthy
people from Europe would come to America, often bringing slaves
with them. However, recent history had created fears among American
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slave owners. On August twenty first and twenty second, in
the north of Saint Domingue, the country that would eventually
become Haiti, and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. In
seventeen ninety one, many slaves would kick off several organized
uprisings where the slaves demanded freedom and equal treatment under
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the law. Over one hundred thousand slaves revolted so many
that the French colony was unable to ever subdue them.
Sub subdue then, need that be in there, that's important.
By eighteen oh four, they had made the island their own,
and now a slaving colony was run by former slaves.
(06:01):
Also in seventeen ninety one, a group of Mina slaves,
slaves who spoke a specific dialect not native or common
to the area, planned to steal weapons from the man
who owned them, take over the plantation, and free themselves.
They were inspired by the uprisings in Saint Dominge in
seventeen ninety four in the same area part of Louisiana
(06:24):
called Pointe Coupe. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. It's
been well since I've done French. A group of slaves
made plans to acquire weapons and fight for their freedom.
Then the plot was discovered before it was too far
gone to stop, leading to arrests and trials for many
of those involved. In eighteen eleven on the Andres plantation
(06:47):
on what was called the German Coast, a section of
the Mississippi River north of New Orleans, somewhere between two
hundred and five hundred slaves revolted, so good for them.
It was the large revolt of slaves an American was
downplayed in history for years. These slaves wanted freedom and
were only put down by several local militias banding together
(07:10):
with federal troops. Many of the slaves who led the
revolt had their heads put on pikes. These later revolts
were also inspired by the revolt in Haiti. So many
American slave owners were very worried about revolution, and many
punished their slaves harder than they might have otherwise for
fear of insurrection.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
And I like the fact that you used the word
revolts so many times in there, because the whole thought
was revolting to me.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Yeah, every time I say it. All I can remember
is History of the World Part one where Brooks is
playing King Henry and someone says, tells the King the
peasants are revolting, and he says, you said it. They
stink on ice.
Speaker 7 (07:58):
That was a good movie, by the way, Yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Yes, great movie. Okay, And what I'm going to offer
this next section to our our dear friend, Yeah, our.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Lovely friend, miss Brenda, who's come to visit us.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
We're so glad and to tell such dark stories. But
let's get into the history. The Louisiana Purchase Treaty was
signed on April thirtieth, eighteen oh three. Now, before that,
Louisiana was a former Spanish colony that had become a
French colony. It was traded back and forth between the
two several times. While it was located in what would
(08:39):
become America, it was not yet part of the United
States until the Louisiana Purchase made it so, and even
then it retained its Spanish and French influences that can
be seen and felt in the area today. This is
the environment both political and physical, which Delphine was born.
And with these two historical narratives, we now can start
(08:59):
our dark tape.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
All she's just so impressive.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
I know, like she just she sounds like a book.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I just adore our friend Brenda.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
Well, now that we have our bases down and little
Delphine has been born into the world at large, maybe
we should take a moment.
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On March nineteen, seventeen eighty seven, Delphine Lelorie was born
Marie Delphine McCarty to Louis Bartholomei McCarty and his wife,
Jean Laus Larable McCarty darn. It was Jean's second marriage
(10:20):
and she birthed five children to her husband Louis. We
do not know how many were older or younger siblings.
As this has information has become lost to history, or
at least I couldn't find it in my research. Louisiana
was a Spanish territory at the time of her birth
and Delphine's parents were quite well respected within the European
(10:42):
Creole community within New Orleans, where they lived. One of
her uncles had been governor of the Spanish provinces of
Louisiana and Florida. Her cousin would become mayor of New
Orleans in eighteen fifteen after it had been incorporated into
the United States. So our family had both money and
political power. She would marry her first husband, Don Ramon
(11:05):
de lopeziegun Angelo, a high ranking Spanish official, when she
was thirteen. Yikes. I know it was a different time,
but still, yikes. I've met thirteen year olds. Not one
of them I would have said was ready to be
for marriage. Their wedding was held on June eleventh, eighteen hundred.
(11:26):
Four years later, the couple were going to the Royal
Court in Madrid. While the boat carrying Don Ramon and
his young pregnant wife stopped in Havana. Her husband died
there causes unknown. Dying of unknown cousiness was quite common
in the seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds, as we
discussed in our episode about Gentleman bandit James McClain, Episode two,
(11:49):
forty eight. If you want to check it out, go ahead,
We'll wait while there. Delphine would give birth to their daughter,
whom she named Marie Borgia Delphine Lopez yng Jo Della Candelaria,
but was nicknamed Workita or Workwita. I'm not sure of
the pronunciation. Uh after, I would call her that because
(12:11):
that's a lot of name to give a kid.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Yeah, they can't write their name till they're forty five.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Geez, maybe not even men in this time. They didn't
even teach girls to.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
Write exactly, Why would you need that when you get
married at thirteen?
Speaker 6 (12:26):
Not only that, Brenda, but can you imagine having the
yellow tack kid?
Speaker 7 (12:30):
My goodness, Well, you know when the parents given all
the names with holding their shoe, the kid would be
long gone.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no way, not gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
After this, the widow and her daughter would return ridturn
to New Orleans, New Orleans. Okay, now we're gonna take
a moment for Arthur's corner again.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Here, ye, here, ye, allow me to present Arthur's Corner.
Welcome back to my corner.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
It is I Arthur.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Now you may be a bit confused as to why
this may sound a little bit different from the rest
of day audio.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I'm at work today. I got a job.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I've been talking about this for a little while, and
you know, for future episodes, I have let my Grace's
Manners manager know that I have specific times I need
to be here, But today she has decided that since
(13:48):
I am training, I need to be here. I needed
to be there at two to nine, so that's perfectly fine.
But I can't be here while i'm that world. So
this is what you're getting, Gippie for me having work.
I hope they tell you guys how their days have
(14:09):
been without me asking, because I can't be there to
ask them that they better they better tell you. They
better tell you guys. Anyways, that's about it. Thank you
guys for coming to my corner, even if it's short.
(14:45):
Upon returning to New Orleans, Delphine and her daughter would
stay with her parents until she met a later and
lady later married a banker, lawyer, and lawmaker by the
name of Jeene Blanc. They went in June of eighteen
oh eight, and Delphine was twenty one. Around that time,
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Jeane was older. How much older we don't know either,
due to the loss of the historical records, or those
records simply not being kept. They moved into a home
he purchased, which was dubbed Ville Blanc. She had four
children with Jeane, three girls and a boy who was
(15:28):
named at least partially after his father. Jean would die
in eighteen sixteen of unrecorded causes dang causes. We also
know that Jean sold slaves around this time, almost two
hundred of them. He only purchased about ninety of them. However,
(15:49):
he had no plantation for them to work. Some think
he leased out slaves to rich plantation owners who needed
the help. Others think he's small uggled them in from
other places to sell or rent out. All of this
is lost to history, and we have almost no evidence
that Delphine had any hand in this business.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Well, before I go into the next part of this story,
I just find very interesting the name of the house
is bill Blanc, which is white in English. Considering dear
slave owners, I thought that was ironic.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, just a little.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
So I wanted to take a moment to thank you
guys for having me on your show again. I honestly,
I just love hanging out with you guys and talking history,
and in case your listeners want to hear some more
dark history and in historical true crime, my show Horrifying
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one and Blue Sky by just searching for our show name.
But enough of that stuff. Let's get back to the
good stuff, Delphine.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
So in the best freenda, we're so glad you're here
with us as well.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yes, and if you're not listening, it's a when air
show comes out every Wednesday, it's a perfect night to
get a little historic and a little spooky.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I like it absolutely, and it's excellent.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
Well, thanks guys, and let's go and talk a little
bit about what happened next with Delphine, because she's not
done with the marrying yet. In eighteen twenty five, a
twenty year old doctor named Leonard Louis Nicholas Lelori would
arrive in Louisiana for prance. He set up a practice
in New Orleans where he specialized in none of this
(17:40):
straightening crooked backs. So in other words, he's a care
practor Delphine's son had some sort of injury to his
back that history didn't record, so we have no idea
what the issue was. This story may be more legend
in fact, but it's the best we could find, whatever
the case. Upon their meeting, the now thirty five year
old Delphine fell for the young doctor. On June twenty fifth,
(18:02):
that same year, the pair were red. Delphine would purchase
a home without much of Leonard's involvement, if he was
involved in all at all. The property was located at
eleven forty Royal Street. Within a year of purchasing it,
she had a two story house built on the property,
complete with slave quarters. She and her doctor husband soon
moved into the home, but cracks started showing their marriage
(18:24):
when Delphine filed court paperwork to force Leonard out of
the home. This must have corrected itself, because he was
still at home in eighteen thirty four when the fire began.
Delphine she was also hard on her slaves, Twelve of
them died in her home between eighteen thirty one and
eighteen thirty four. Why how the causes of these deaths
are not recorded, But what we could find it seems
(18:47):
to be an excessive amount in three years, even though
it was in the eighteen thirties. Those around her said
that her slaves seemed haggard compared to other enslaved people,
but in public many said that she was polite to
enslaved people and even inquired about their health and well being. Oh,
that's so kind of her, So such.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
A caring lady.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Amazing. So let's take a break and here from some
of our fellow content creators before we go forward.
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Speaker 9 (21:11):
It was time to get back to the show, all right.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
So at this point in our story, there were some
rumors that were starting to filter around. Rumors were beginning
to spread about the alleged mistreatment of slaves at the
Royal Street Home, so Manny, rumors in fact, that a
lawyer was sent by home exactly Dean couldn't really find
(21:37):
and I certainly don't know to the home to remind
Delphine and her family of the laws concerning the treatment
of their slaves. That same lawyer inspected the home's no
signs that anything was wrong and.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Apocryphal.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
That's I didn't know that word was spun. Like that
tail told around this time is that a twelve year
old girl some stories suggest she may have been as
young as eight, was brushing Delphine's hair and hit a snag,
causing Delphine to get so angry that she grabbed a
whip and chased the child, who ran all the way
(22:24):
to the roof of the house before she fell to
her death. We know this story is apocryphal, as there's
no registry of death to commemorate the event, and the
story has changed significantly over time. According to some However,
this event led to an investigation which ultimately led to
(22:50):
nine slaves being removed from the home. These slaves were
reacquired by the Lolories by having them, or just by
a relative who gave them back. Thus, the slaves who
were freed were forced back into the mansion. Another tale
is that the cook, who was also a slave, was
(23:13):
kept chained to the stove, and her daughters were beaten
anytime the woman attempted to feed them or anyone else.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
That was not a lolory.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
She's just a delightful individual.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
She yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
But remember when she's out in public, she.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
Yeah, she probably wants to know how much breaking it
would do.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
To break their spear. But when she's in public, she
asked them how their health is.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Yeah, I know, so she knows all of it she
would take to break them.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Come all about the appearances, all right?
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Uh, gonna take a moment for another word from our
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Speaker 3 (24:18):
On April tenth, a fire broke out at the Lalorie home,
and the bystanders rushed in to help the family and
make sure everyone got out. The bystanders discovered a seven
year old cook who claimed she.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Who was clean, who.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Was chained to the stove by her ankle. She claimed
that she set the fire because the slaves who were
taken upstairs never came back, and since the threat had
been made to take her there, she started a fire
as a way to end pair suffering.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
The buying standers, including a.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Judge, attempted to get the keys from the lorries to
make sure that all the slaves had been evacuated as well.
Neither the louri would give up their keys, so the
helpers broke down and broke the door down. Inside the
upstairs room, they found seven people who were changed to
(25:20):
the walls, with torn muscles, with marks on their backs,
and wearing iron spiked collars that were forced this that
forced the slaves to hold their heads still. They were
emaciated as if they were not eating or were they
(25:42):
fed very little. The slaves were freed and taken to
normal to the taken to the New Orleans Jail, where
they were seen as by a doctor as well as
mistreated as several thousand citizens who wanted to see the
truth about how the little lorries mistreated their slaves for themselves.
(26:08):
After this, the mob came came to the house on
Royal Street, which was already severely damaged by fire, and
began to tear it apart. It is said that after
the mob got through, the only thing left standing were walls.
Her guys, I don't like this woman. From when I'm
(26:28):
still here and I don't like this woman. I don't
like her.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I don't like her.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Poor innocent people.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
They didn't even do anything.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I would line a whole house on fire too.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Actually were really they weren't very impressed with the way
she managed your household, I don't think.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
Yeah, it's also weird because slavery was legal, so in
some extent some of these had to be slaves owning people,
and they're.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Oh, no, I get that, but it's kind of a
difference between having a horse and I'm not comparing people
the horses, please understand that, but it's kind of the
difference between having a worker and having a worker that
(27:22):
is working because you are beating them with a whip
kind of thing. It's it's a difference between yes, slavery
is allowed, but at the same time, there's slavery and
then there's being a monster slaver, which is kind of
where these people it's that shame on you, shame on me,
(27:47):
but shame on you because you're.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Doing what I'm doing bad.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Plus more, well, what.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
I find I find that they have well, they had
laws about how they were treat slavery like our treat slaves.
And it again with that they've had that for years,
so they knew how to, for lack of better terms,
treat the slaves, but to have a person who's a
high society woman basically torturing these people constantly. It's you
(28:13):
wouldn't expect that of a high society woman. So that's
I think as part of why it was such a shock.
But also they these people they owned slaves, like you said,
but to see the slaves in this condition, it shows
they had like a one drop of humanity, right, one
drup But I think a lot of it had to
do with just not as much as that, as more
(28:34):
of her stature in the city. You know, she was
related to the or the mayor, she had everybody in politics.
A person like that would do that to other people.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Absolutely, you got it for sure, same thing, all right.
So after the what would you call that, the group
of discontent citygoers amb discontent citizens, completed.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
By their emergency renovation of her house the.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Emergency defolition upon the house.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
From there, Delphine fled to Mobile, Alabama, and from Alabama
she went to Paris. While in Paris she made the
declaration that she would return to Portland's. She did while
at least not while she was alive. Eventually she would
die on September seventh, eighteen forty nine, at the age
(29:38):
of baby Did I say September.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I mid December, you said September.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
Eventually she would die on December seventh, eighteen forty nine,
at the age of sixty two.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
In Paris.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Her son would have her body return to America, and
she was laid to rest in the Saint Louis Cemetery.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
One in New Orleans.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
The home at Royal Street would not survive much longer
than the fire that gutted it, and it became several businesses,
including a restaurant, a furniture store, and an apartment complex. Eventually,
the replica, a replica of the home was built on
the spot, and that home was even briefly owned by
(30:31):
Nicholas Cage. Today it is a supposedly truly haunted home
that you can visit, and actually true story, our former
daughter in law worked with a company that went in
and did tours of that mansion because they live full
(30:53):
time down in New Orleans.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
So oh, that's cool. I took a tour to see
the Lori House when I was in New Orleans, and
the one thing that strikes me about you know Nicholas
Cage bought the house, is the tour guide told us
that he actually sold after he basically was losing it
to the bank, but also being arrested twice because on
(31:15):
Royal Street he went out naked and drunk and was
renting and raving at the people that's outside of the street.
And I'm like, man, this place is a cool place.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
No, I kind of I can believe that about one
of our Hollywood.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
Yeah, but he didn't just do it once. He did
it twice.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
But Nicholas Cage is one of those guys like Johnny
Depp that just doesn't seem to understand how to function
in the real world and just does a lot of crazy,
crazy stuff. And I mean, he and Jim Carrey had
been friends forever, so and Jim Carrey doesn't do stuff
(31:59):
like that. I don't I could be wrong.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Harry was a good Canadian boy who moved to the state.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
So yeah, well, speaking of him doing weird things, you
have to book to go and see Saint Louis Cemetery
number one and uh we you go in there and
Nicholas Gage, I don't know if you've heard, but he
had he bought a mauslee and there he had it
built and it's a pyramid because that makes so much,
It makes so much sense in New Orleans to build
(32:27):
a pyramid.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Absolutely, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Why not? You know you have too much money? When exactly.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
So, we'll take another pause there for our sponsors again.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Well, the story we told up to now, except for
the tid bits that we believe either were made up
or greatly exaggerated, is a true tale, supported by historical evidence. However,
other tales have been told and are still being told,
about the going ons at the mansion. According to these tales,
Llaurie had one woman's arms and legs broken and allowed
them to heal in odd positions, essentially making her a
(33:19):
human crab. Another man was said to have been made
into a human centipede. Ew really bad idea. Further stories
to tell up other horrors we're not going to share today.
And in one case, though, a man was said to
have a hold in his skull and still be he
was alive. It's important to note that none of this
is supported by any historical evidence, but these tales are
(33:42):
often still told if you visit the spooky Lolori mansion. Now,
I can't attest to this because I took a tour
to see this place and they present a lot of
speculation and legend as fact.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
That is the one thing I don't like about New
Orleans is almost any place you go, you don't get
real history. What you get is the story that's built
up over the years, and the story is quite often
there's bones of truth in it, but the flesh on
those bones is definitely not anywhere near what had been
(34:15):
there in life.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
I kept why they do it. I get it. You know,
they're trying to boost their tourism. But you don't really
need to make this story worse. It's already really bad.
Speaker 11 (34:26):
Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, Okay, there's enough we're room in here
that I can put in a word from our sponsors.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
So I'm just going to go on to the next list.
Next part here, let's talk about the spooky stuff that
happens there today. People visiting the mansion often report the
sounds of moaning emanating from the upstairs area, near where
the slaves would have been kept. Others talk of feeling
a negative energy that permeates the house and areas near
(35:00):
the house. Still others complain of hearing phantom footsteps throughout
the building. A dark figure is often seen within the home.
Some claim it is the ghost of doctor law Lourie,
while others claim it is the victim of a murder
that happened when the building was apartments. Some claim to
see the ghostly form of Delphine herself within the home,
(35:23):
and when it was briefly a school for girls, many
of the girls claimed a ghostly entergy scratched and bruised them.
Many think this entity was also Delphine, who I wouldn't
put it past her. She was crazy, Like.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
She's mean in life and she's mean in death.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
She hasn't changed, Honey, you want to well, no, I
got it.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
We got it.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
So we're gonna talk really quickly about the pop culture
and legacy. My favorite, of course you know this about me,
was when actress Kathy Bates played a heavily fictionalized version
of the character and won awards and honors for her performance.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
The character.
Speaker 6 (36:10):
Was also and that was an American horror story, and
she was amazing in that and creepy beyond all rights.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
But they also could inflated her with Elizabeth Bathory, Like
they didn't say she was her, but they sort of compared.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
Yeah, it was hinted.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Yeah, And her story has also appeared in a mystery
novel by Barbara Hanby, and in Scott Alexander's Unsong, she
is touted as living in the nicest part of hell.
She was almost certainly a serial killer, responsible for the
(36:58):
death and mistreatment of many of her slaves, and as
we've definitely covered so far in the show, she was
certainly quite fuel However, with the spread of modern stories
of bloody medical experiences, she has been elevated to the
level of a Jeffrey Dahmer of the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Fancy gon't it? There we go? So should we take
a moment for a final word from ours?
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Yeah, we got to keep Spreaker happy. We got to
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Okay, you did a happy dance.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
I was tickling you.
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So okay.
Speaker 6 (38:06):
We got to finish the show, all right, So we've
come to our favorite part of the show for summary
and final thoughts.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
And since Brenda's the guest.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
And after you, Brenda, Well, the thing is with Delphine Lelorie.
The problem is with this whole story is there's just
not enough documentation to tell us exactly what happened, and
there's a lot of different thoughts. Was she the serial
killer that people think she is, or was her husband
(38:38):
promoting that or pushing that because of he was a
doctor in experiments. There's been a lot of thoughts on that.
There's been a lot of thoughts on that. And look,
when I looked into this, I couldn't help but think,
you know, they both I think they were both doing it.
They were both torturing these people, and I think that
(38:58):
they thought they had the rights to do it because
of where they sat in society, and nobody has a
right to treat other human beings. How they treated these
people doesn't matter. The times it's not okay. But with
that said, the one thing I've learned when I was
out there on a tour is they thought she was
in Saint Louis Cemetery number one, but that they don't know.
(39:21):
They have no idea she could. They think that they
took her body was taken out and put in another
family cemetery in the area because they were afraid that
either people would try to worship her or try to
do something to the actual cemetery that the mausoleum itself.
So nobody really knows one hundred percent where she is,
just like nobody knows one hundred percent of how truly
horrible she was.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Hope she died in that thought, No she didn't.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Oh wait, she's in Hell so no. No.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
In fact, she moves to France and I's there for
the rest of her life and now she's dead. She
didn help. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Any time.
Speaker 5 (40:04):
We look into anything to do with slavery, I am
always struck by just how ridiculous it seems to me
that one person is ownable or not ownable based entirely
on the content of melanin in their skin, which is
(40:27):
not something that they have any control over.
Speaker 7 (40:31):
I agree with you, and it comes into just overall racism.
Everybody tries to get a summer tan and get as
you get or spray tan themselves as dark as they are,
but they have a problem because people have a different
melanin than themselves. It doesn't it doesn't make any sense
to me either.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
It to me either.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
So and to me it's ridiculous that we fought a
war over this, But it's also ridiculous that and we
try very hard not to get political, but the current
administration like wants to wipe out black history, and the
newest reason I can figure out why is a lot
(41:13):
of it doesn't make white people look that good. But
it's history. It is what it is. You can't change it.
You can just try to be better from it.
Speaker 7 (41:22):
Right, And it's very important to know what happens so
you don't repeat it.
Speaker 6 (41:27):
So exactly, so we don't repeat it. You're absolutely right,
Brenda couldn't agree more.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
So that part of this is horrible to me no
matter what. And like, I didn't put in everything I found.
I found in more than one source. Like apparently, like
he when people were at one point publicly talking about
how bad they treated their slaves, doctor Lolori was like, well,
(41:56):
that's what you get for coming to someone else's house
and telling them how to do their what they do.
Just like, really, that that's it. That's the hill you're
gonna die on you.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
And he's a doctor and doctors are supposed to have
empathy and he has absolutely none.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah, for sure. And then Delphine Laurie said something along
the same thing, not the exact same, but she did
publicly sort of defended, Hey, I'll treat my slaves how
I want. And I just again, I don't get that.
I don't get owning other humans, and I really don't
get mistreating other humans that you own, unless, of course
(42:35):
they're your children. And then your children were meant to
be remote controls for things that God never made remote
controls for, like there's never no remote control to get
you a soda out of the fridge, but one of
your children will do it.
Speaker 7 (42:48):
I agree. But the thing when I was going diving
into the research that bugged me the most is her
slaves got taken away due to mistreatment. All she did
is say go to her cousin on the street and say, hey,
I'll spot you a twenty go pick them up for me,
And she brought them back home to treat them even worse.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
To just why would they sell them again?
Speaker 8 (43:11):
You know, well they did.
Speaker 7 (43:13):
They had slave markets there, and I'm pretty sure there
was other people around that's seen it, but nobody stopped it,
even though they knew how she treated those same people
like It really shows just how much how important your
place in society meant back then, right.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Exactly, And that might have only worked in some place
like New Orleans where there was still a cast system.
Now I'm not saying the rest of the country wasn't racist,
but it didn't have quite the same cast system that
New Orleans did. It didn't have that leftover French nobility
(43:54):
Spanish nobility kind of system kind of thing. I'm sure
I sound stupid, but.
Speaker 7 (44:04):
No, I know exactly. I know exactly what you mean.
They were. They were still holding on and they still
do today, their Spanish and their French influences. So that's
where again why they had laws about slavery where other
states didn't at the time is because they brought that
in from from the Spaniards. So it's very, very influenced.
(44:24):
But also the same breath when you're sitting in so society,
she's high up, are you going to say anything against her,
how she's mistreating her slaves. A lot of people probably not,
because what they care about is climbing up that ladder.
Speaker 6 (44:38):
Exactly how can I get myself to the station where
you are? Kind of thing. And there's a lot of
butt kissing going on.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Well, look to be honest.
Speaker 7 (44:52):
Like when when the lawyer came to the house, he's
and I looked in the research when he made a
statement later on saying I seen her and she was
Delphine Laurie was so beautiful and regal. She couldn't be
miss or miss h abusing her slaves, mistreating them just
because of how she looked. She had a nice dress.
(45:15):
It's like, my gosh, it's a good thing you're not
a detective today.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
I mean, going back to even the levels.
Speaker 6 (45:24):
That we're at right now, that people cast judgment on
transgender individuals, chet past judgment on you know, people who
dress and drag like, for some reason, how you look
the person that you were born to be. For some reason,
some people think just looking at you is enough to
(45:47):
tell them everything about you and they can just judge
you from that, And it's just it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 7 (45:54):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
For a while, when I was doing stand up, I
also was Kansas City's only fat male stripper. And I'm
not I'm not saying that to brag or anything else,
but but my most popular outfit was either like a
Catholic schoolgirl or some form of outfit where I started
(46:19):
dressed as a woman, and then you know, it was
it became obvious I was a guide, not that it
ever wasn't because I have this, you.
Speaker 6 (46:26):
Know, he has always worn facial hair.
Speaker 11 (46:30):
The whole time.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Yeah, but one night. I was on my way to
a gig, so I was, I had to wig on.
I was fully dressed, ready to go when I got
to this gig and I stopped at a stoplight because
you're supposed to, and the guy who pulled up next
to me began to yell at me and spit at
(46:54):
my car. And I'm not sure if he thought I
was trans or a drag queen or what he thought,
but boy, he was offended by whatever he thought I was.
And that stuck with me because I just like he
knew nothing about Like if I had stopped and got
out and explained it to him, I'm sure he would
(47:16):
have been, oh, well, sorry about all that, But I don't.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
Know a lot of he was carrying on, just seeing you.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
He was carrying on because in his head I was
drag or gay or transvestite or something and all of
that and being mad at someone for any of that
is stupid.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Stupid.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
Yes, it was working, I was, I was. I was
doing a job at the time, so I didn't care
what he thought. I went on to my gig and
had fun like I always did. But so I just
I don't know. I just I've seen people be stupid
over stupid things, and I just think I just think
(48:03):
slavery and racism are both so stupid, and I just don't.
I don't get needing to hate another person by something
as ridiculous as the color of their skin. I just
I don't. And I guess that'll be my final thought
on this, because I just no matter how I do, yeah,
(48:25):
no matter how I stack it up, I just don't.
I don't see it.
Speaker 7 (48:29):
I agree. But the one thing I think these people
who are judging others by what they're wearing, who they
pray to, what color their skin is, they need to
go and do some into reflection and take all that
bad energy they're putting out and fix themselves. And if
they would just look at themselves from outside in, they
(48:51):
would see how poisonous they actually are.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
See And that's I agree with you one hundred percent.
I think that a lot of the issues that we
see in the world today come from people who are
really unhappy with.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
The life that they have.
Speaker 6 (49:06):
And just like my parents used to tell me in
the schoolyard when kids were picking on me, you have
to be pretty miserable to want to go out and
make other people miserable.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
In order to make yourself feel better.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
Yeah, and that has always stuck with me, and I
think that's why I try to be such a positive
person and we try to have such a family dynamic
as part of our show, as part of our group
that we have on Facebook, we really push that. You
see you see that we're like that every time we
(49:43):
get together. But when you're happy with who you are
and happy with the life that you try to live
for yourself, even if I'm not happy with everything going
on in our lives, I'm still out to make build
other people up, not tear other people down, because I'm
(50:05):
not miserable with who I see in.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
The mirror, right And the only people who get away
with that, in my mind are people who live in
New York, which, to quote paton Oswalt, very famous comedian,
if you live in New York long enough, apparently you
sort of begin to think, I want someone to be sad,
and I want it to be my fault.
Speaker 7 (50:31):
And you know, I just I have a saying I'll
say it to you off air about people like this,
but either way, it's not good for children's consumption. But
the reality of it is, I think that people who
do things like that who go after individuals who are
different are doing it because they're fearful and they're not
(50:51):
feeling good about themselves. And how better to make yourself
feel better than to stomp on somebody else exactly, And
if you go on social media, there's a whole lot
of stomping. And that's why I post mostly dog pictures,
uh Like Doures, I just post pictures of the puppy,
because you know what life is supposed to be good, right,
(51:15):
and there's so much bad in it, why you're making
it worse?
Speaker 5 (51:19):
Absolutely, I personally feel like anybody who has so many
problems that they're taking to the internet to attack others,
those people need to be rounded up, put into a
small room in their home and fed a heroic dose
what Terrence mckinna calls a heroic dose of mushrooms five
(51:40):
dry grams. And I think let them weed themselves out
the just thing. You put them on that level of
dose of mushrooms.
Speaker 6 (51:53):
They're that nasty in the in the everyday world, and
you give them a bunch of a bunch a hero
worctos of mushrooms, I feel like they're probably gonna take
themselves out.
Speaker 5 (52:06):
I don't know about that, but I feel like you'd.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Be slamming into walls.
Speaker 7 (52:10):
And mirrors at least it's not.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
I just feel like they'll go, oh my god, I've
been doing it wrong this whole time. I am so
sorry everyone. I mean, I think it'll take them a
while to get there. That's why you need the five
drag grands.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
But think so.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
But I think you'll see a lot of apologies.
Speaker 6 (52:28):
And because wishful thinker right there, that's what that is.
Speaker 12 (52:33):
Yeah, evolves our problems with nasty people could be fixed
with a little bit of illicit substances.
Speaker 2 (52:43):
The world would be much chiller.
Speaker 5 (52:47):
But they're beginning to use psychedelic substances in psychiatric medicine
and it works. It cures depression in it cures at times.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
I mean, nothing's ever going to work for everybody. I
don't think.
Speaker 5 (53:06):
Maybe not, but there's they're seeing good results, which makes
me think that you know, you go in and you
break up someone's ego, if their ego isn't being good
to them, then when they come back from their trip
to planet X, they're like, oh my god, I see
a different way, and then maybe they can rejoin society
and be useful and helpful and.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
See's a lot of maybe. Baby.
Speaker 7 (53:29):
That's this is like a whole mk ultra conversation we're
getting into now.
Speaker 6 (53:34):
Yeah, reprogram these guys really getting out there.
Speaker 7 (53:39):
But if it makes you feel better, what I do
tell people is you either need to get drunk, you
need to have substances, or you need to do something else.
What I'm not saying on air to just make these
people happy. You know, one of the three things will
make them, or maybe all of them will improve their attitude.
But if not, just a hell of hope, stay home
(54:01):
and get keep off the computer. That's all I'm saying,
look at pictures.
Speaker 5 (54:09):
And that brings us to the end of our show. Unfortunately,
thanks to Brenda of Horrifying History for joining us once more.
We love you much. I love you too, like.
Speaker 6 (54:24):
You are our favorite guest next to Uncle Danny.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (54:28):
I was gonna say, I known Uncle Danny since I
was in my twenties, and now I'm in my fifties,
so it's been a minute since I've I'm known m So.
Speaker 7 (54:36):
I have to work harder to beat Uncle Danny levels
what you're saying for him.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
For me, you already are.
Speaker 5 (54:45):
But Okay, here's the thing of all the indie podcasts
I listen to, which I consider you an indie podcaster
because you're not, you know, sponsored up like Joe Rogan
or nothing. But out of all your like the most professional.
I love your show. I never want to listened to
your show. And when you know, she should change this,
(55:07):
or she should do that, or it's always just wow,
that was such a great episode.
Speaker 13 (55:13):
Because because our Brenda is phenomenal, so when you join us,
it just it makes me feel like everything we do
is elevated.
Speaker 5 (55:23):
And I appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (55:25):
Oh that's the sweetest thing. Thank you here here, we
appreciate you so much. I just am a girl in
my basement doing the best I can.
Speaker 5 (55:37):
Yeah. Well, some of the people that have left you
left you recent because you recently did the Hotel Roosevelt.
I want to say the Roosevelt Hotel where Marilyn's been
seen and.
Speaker 7 (55:53):
Oh Cecil, oh yeah, n Roosevelt and the Roosevelt. Yeah,
she was in two place.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
I was gonna say, because someone like hosted a response,
but like, Marilyn's never been seen in that mirror ever,
And I'm like, where are you getting this information? And
of course you can't respond to. So I'm just like,
why would you even write something that is so easily disprovable.
(56:21):
People don't breathe oxygen? Yeah they do here. Here's all
the anyway. So yeah, yeah, be nice to Brenda. That's
all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yes, nice.
Speaker 5 (56:36):
Thanks to Laura, Arthur Blue, and Lexi as always for
help making the show what it is, a family show.
Thanks to Bill, Paige and Aaron. I will separate those
three out for you real quick. Bill is Bill Barrant
B E H R E N d T. He does
our theme music. If you need a guy to do
(56:57):
music for a project or someone to perform in an event,
Bill's your guy. Bill Barron at SBC global dot net.
Thanks to Paige is Paige Elmore from the Reverie Crime
podcast who has returned Yeah Yeah yea who combines her
love of Canvo with our own Arthur's artwork to create
(57:19):
some wonderful logo art for us. Thank you, Paige. Thanks
to Aaron Ganerk of The Big Dumb Fun Show, who
continues to promote us locally. Thanks for joining our Facebook
group and for following us on our various social media
including X Blue Sky, Threads and Pinterest. Thanks for being
part of the fam, keeping us in the good pods
(57:39):
top one hundred, and for listening. Join us next week
as we look into the life and death of Harvey
Milk as part of our Pride celebration here in June.
Speaker 3 (57:51):
Bye
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