July 10, 2025 • 54 mins
This week on Family Plot, we’re joined by our youngest plotter—8-year-old Lexi Boese—who asked us to tell the story of Autherine Juanita Lucy, the first Black student admitted to the University of Alabama. Her brave enrollment in 1956 was court-ordered and historic… and it ignited the largest anti-integration riot in American history. What followed was a shameful twist: Lucy was expelled “for her safety”—a coward’s move cloaked as concern. Even the local Birmingham paper applauded the university’s decision, celebrating the city’s “peace”—a peace built on exclusion. (Yeah… that didn’t age well.) In this episode, we dive into Lucy’s incredible journey:
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- Her decision to challenge segregation
- The three harrowing days she spent on campus
- The court’s demand to reinstate her—and the university’s retaliatory slander ban
- Her triumphant return in 1988, earning a master’s degree the same year her daughter graduated with a BA
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, I'm Dean, I'm the dad, I'm Laura.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm the mom, and I'm Arthur. I'm the son.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm Lexi, I'm the daughter. Yea, and together we are family.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Episode with us this week.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yes, I'm a shy, but today we do.
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Speaker 4 (02:13):
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Speaker 4 (02:48):
So, don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything
at all.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
What are we talking about tonight? Well, tonight, we go
back to the late nineteen twenties to meet the youngest
daughter of an African American sharecropper and his wife. This
young woman would grow up to be an educator, a
civil rights activist, and she would change the world. We
dig into the life of this amazing young woman named
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author and Lucy in this Lexi requested and guested episode
of the Family Plot podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You can say thank you brand means thank you. Well,
let's use our words. Not everybody speaks LEXI. Can you
say thank you, thank you, You're welcome, good job. That
was nice and loud.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Okay, So let me take this first part here. So
on October fifth, nineteen twenty nine, Minnie Maud Lucy born
Hosea Mini mod I'm guessing she was related to the mouse.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I doubt it.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
In nineteen twenty, it makes really nice and her husband,
Milton Cornelius Lucy, gave birth to Authrene Juanita Lucy.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Authurin was the youngest of ten children and would have
four brothers and five sisters. So that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
You read that backwards? Is that?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Four sisters and five brothers I did, okay, five of each, Yeah,
five and five even split.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, money and Milton were all about keeping things even
up on the sharecropping farm.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yes, many and Milton were sharecroppers who farmed one hundred
and ten acres in Shiloh, Alabama. That's a lot. That's
a lot. And Milton would do blacksmithing work, weave baskets
and make axe handles to supplement the family's income.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
She came from very hard working parents, didn't she Lexell? Yes,
obviously that's those are all of those things that her
daddy did. Those are all very hard manual work that
she did that he did.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
AT's see now. Authren would attend Shiloh Public School through
grade ten before transferring to Linden Academy in London, Alabama.
In Linden in London. She would sleep overnight in London.
I was unable to figure out if the Linden Academy
had dorms for students or whether Authren would have spent
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the night with family or friends in the area. She
would do this during the week and come home to
her family on the weekends. So grade ten, that's what
like fifteen?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, yeah, right around that, because well fourteen fifteen, because Arthur,
you just finished tenth grade, right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yes, yeah, so yeah, it was pretty young to spend
every you know, all weekdays, so she very much.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
In grade ten. She could have been like ready to
graduate out. Also, depending on how the school system ran
where she was.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, here's the thing. The school system she went to
was probably still segregated. So it was a black educational system.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
But it might be different than we see today.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, but she certainly did everything she could to get educated.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Sounds like it.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Now. She graduated from Lyndon Academy in nineteen forty seven
at the age of eighteen. From there, she attended Selma
University in Selma and in Alabama, where she got a
teaching or diviiciate.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yay author and lucy.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah. However, at Alabama, at that point changed their teaching requirements,
and so she went on to the historically black college,
Miles College in Fairfield.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
All right, so do you think that we should take
some time now and go head over to Arthur's corner?
What do you think, Lexi? Yeah, yes, let's go to
Arthur's corner. Hey, Arthur, are you ready to go to
the corner?
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (07:08):
Here, ye, here ye, allow me to present Arthur's corner
that expired.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
I know it looks it looks great.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Actually, it looks fantastic, it really does. I put, I put,
I put an extension in my hair cut, Burgundy extension.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It looks good.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
It looks good, actually it does.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Anyways, Hello everyone, welcome back to my corner.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
How are we doing today.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm excited that we've got Lexie and Arthur on the
corner this week.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I'm excited just to be here.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So you Lexie, how you doing today?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I am doing great?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
You're doing great? Well, that is fantastic. I am back again, everybody.
I'm so sorry. This is the second episode. I haven't
been here, well, not in a row, but the second
you did?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeh been here?
Speaker 8 (07:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well you know you're you're a growing boy, and you've
started your first job. This week, you got your first paycheck,
so that was, well, that's a milestone.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Yes, yes, indeed.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You've already spent it.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Whatever you spent it on, I don't know, but I
know very expensive.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I know that you just probably you just dropped a
bomb on something. Yes, absolutely, just I don't I don't think.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I want to know what you just spent all that money.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't think you do either, probably not. I still
have like twenty something dollars though, so that's okay, wow, no,
but okay. Anyway, So what's going on in your corner
this week other than spending your first pay check?
Speaker 9 (08:35):
And I'm very excited because I have been working on
a bunch of art fight stuff good which I.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Explained it last week. But basically, it's like a battle
between two sides, and it's it's like a fun competitive thing,
not like a negative competitive thing.
Speaker 8 (08:55):
I see.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You get to draw other people's character and your team
it's more points, and the more points that the team has,
the more likely you are to win nice or the
more likely your team is to win. Now, I don't
know what happens if you win, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I just I've just been enjoying it.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I've just been enjoying it, and I'm like, that's what
it's all about.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And that's what it's all so, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
That was my childhood and the pokey but no, I am.
I did a I did. I did a piece of
art for somebody m hm, and they went ranting about it.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
In my comments. Cool, and I was like, dude, I'm
so glad you like it.
Speaker 9 (09:42):
It's I need to send it to you after the
podcast because it's so fire and I'd love to put
it up on Facebook.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
We will put it on face.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Actually, I saw that post on Instagram. I I I
follow Arthur Worther on the Worth and Worth on Instagram.
Speaker 10 (10:02):
Nice, so I saw that. Yeah, yeah, it was amazing.
That is beautiful. And I did all the shading. I
did the whole drawing by myself, or didn't do anything
I did.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's beautiful, steal anything beautiful, beautiful. You are talented and creative.
But we know that about you.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And I'm slowly finding out that I'm really good at
art actually, and I'm voious about that.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
We've known that you're good at art for quite some time. Yeah,
I've been doing our podcast art for a minute. You
just need to build up some confidence in yourself.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Confidence is kind of hard to build, I understand.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Especially when you have imposter syndrome like a mug which
impostor syndrome is like, okay with me. It's when I'm
writing and I'll go back and read it and I'll
be like, this is horrible. I'm not a real writer.
I'm not good. Impostor syndrome. You're not as good as
you think you are. You're not as good as you
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need to be. Whereas when other people feel like.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You feel like you're being an imposter, like you are
presenting something that's not true about yourself, when that's actually
just your brain telling you that that's basically the generalized
idea of it.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Yeah, this is my new style.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I dig it, I dig it. I had a rat
tail when I was your age.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
Huh for rattails?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You had a rat tail when you were sixteen?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You still have a rat tail?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, he has long curls.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I love his long curls. They are so super sexy.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
But yes, when I was sixteen, I had a rattail
until my mom cut it off.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Oh, well that I believe you because you met.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You've met your grandmother, grandmother.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Okay, so what else now that you have your have
your little pretty rat tail, and we know that dad
lost his and his teens.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Do you guys want to know what I spent my
money on? I guess, so I made this character.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
Her name is.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Vallas and she is a skullhound sucking bus.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So did you buy a furhead for Vallas? I bought
a base, yes, but it's really cool.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
On a base, I mean, okay, it's made completely out
of resin. Okay, that's the main Like I guess, it's
not a base, it's like the.
Speaker 8 (12:29):
Main part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Okay, Well, I'll just do you you it's your money,
you worked for it. I'm not gonna judge already. Well,
congratulations on your purchase.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And is there what else are we talking about in
the corner this week?
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Yeah, that's all Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yep, Arthur Arthur very cool. Kind of reminds me of
that dog I want.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Is that massive?
Speaker 7 (12:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
At least in the face it does. I mean it
doesn't have all the hair or is your brother Ian
called bear lions?
Speaker 8 (13:02):
They do look like their lions.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
They do we Mom just got these really good Well
it won't be a slice left, no baked peanut butter
pie bars, not bars, but it's peanut butter pie miniature cups.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
And they're really good. Like I've been gnawing on them.
She bought them from.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The store and they're they're pretty special.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
They're they're pretty special. Yeah, that's that's something of you
to say. That's let me see what else?
Speaker 8 (13:30):
What else?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I'm joyous that she is here, but she's not talking. Well,
it's your corner. She's waiting patiently.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
It might be my corner, but I want her to
talk to everyone's talking except for her.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But she's just listening, right. Yeah, Yeah, Are you happy
to be in Arthur's corner?
Speaker 8 (13:48):
Do you say it a little louder?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
See it louder? So the microphone picked you up? Yeah, yeah,
we're in Arthur's corner. Chips I did bring Arthur did
get chips. Maybe he'll give you one.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Actually, Lexi's gonna got your teeth, Arthur. Lexi's gonna have
salad with the rest of it.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
She's gonna eat that.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
No, but there's a bag full of macaroni and cheese
and hot dogs and her refrigerator. So I got this.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
She probably would eat pieces of it, just not the
whole salad.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
I eat the salad.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I eat the salad.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
I just want something else with it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Gonna make a.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Peanut butter and jelly.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
There you go. Well, Arthur, it's gonna have chicken. It's
gonna have bacon on it. It's gonna have breacon's gonna
have cheese. It's gonna have.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Hey, you that sounds fire. Actually you ready?
Speaker 8 (14:43):
What's the sauce?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Well, well, we have branch and French French, all right.
So now that we've started talking about dinner, I'm hungry.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Let me allow me to move on from the corner.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So let's just on corner, the corner.
Speaker 8 (14:59):
Corner, the corner.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So we're going from corner to give you the mouse.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
But you can see the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
At Myles, Authurine would pursue and eventually earn a degree
in English, which would satisfy the new Alabama, Alabama teaching requirements,
but while there she also met.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And befriended A Paulie Myers. Paulie was born we think
in or near Birmingham, Alabama. But what is known for
sure is that she attended Miles College at the same
time as author and Lucy, and the pair hit it off.
They became best friends. They Polly was big in civil
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rights activism, and of course initially Authourin was was not.
When Paulie organized in a n A A CP youth
can I just say that, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
What most people refer to and double ACA.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
Chapter at Miles College, she practically had to beg Authorine
to join. So as their graduation, Polly said that she
was going to attend and now the University of Alabama
for postgraduate studies. Authorine said that she would as well,
initially believing her friend was joking. However, once Authorin discovered
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that Polly was quite serious, then she reaffirmed her commitment
to attending the school. In nineteen fifty two, they requested
admission to the school and were initially accepted. However, once
it was warned that the girls were black, their admission
was rescinded because of the University of Alabama at that
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point had never admitted a black student.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That is so poop.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It is poop. That's terrible, So poop.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Are you gonna read them life?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's where we leave off and now we're going to
take a minute for a word from our sponsors, and
then Lexi, when we come back, can you tell us
a little bit more about Author and Lucy? Yes, okay.
Speaker 11 (17:11):
Whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa, Nairobi, Kenya, Paragana,
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Speaker 7 (17:24):
The cry is always the same, we want to be free.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It was time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You ready to get back to the show. Yes, okay,
go ahead and take us from there. Okay, okay, we're here.
I'll highlight it so you can read a lot so
Austin and Lucy.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yes, So Authur and Lucy did not leave well the
four case was underway. She instead taught English at a
school in Corteage, Mississippi, and also worked as in as
US Secure Secretary secretary secretary an insurance insurance company. I
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think Lucy wanted the core battle to go her way,
but at first the case the case has had had stalled.
It wasn't until until another court case ruled the secretary
the secretary segregation. Segregation was not allowed in public.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
Education education.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Did Author Lucy and Polly's case, get some traction.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Creeture you've made so might at work, Laxie, Thank you
so much for telling us about that.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
And traction is just a big word for the case.
Finally got somewhere job.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So we're gonna take a minute. Now, we're gonna hear
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Speaker 11 (21:00):
Whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa, Nairobi, Kenya, Paragana,
New York City, Atlanta, Georgia, Jackson, Mississippi, a Memphis, Tennessee,
the cry is always the same, We want to be free.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It was time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Sorry about that, Daddy'll just have to remove the phone
ringing from our episode. Okay. So, while Authurne entered the workforce,
the NAACP had chosen to represent her case, as had
local attorney Arthur What a Great Name Shores. He worked
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with the NAACP. Someone from the NAACP Namesgood Marshal. Their
good Marshall was riding a wave of victory from a
court case called Brown versus the Board of Education, where
the Supreme Court had ruled that segregation in education was unconstitutional.
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From nineteen fifty two to nineteen fifty four, the court
case dragged on, and Polly an Authrene watched it with
dread and glee. I can imagine that must have been
very distressing, right, my goodness. So the university had made
the suggestion that since the pair had degrees, any further
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education on their part was unnecessary, but part of Authren's
admission inquiry had included that she sought the postgraduate degree
not out of necessity, but in order to have the
best education available in her state. After three years, the
judge based his ruling on the recent Brown versus Board
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of Education decision, claiming that public school couldn't say that
if a public school could not segregate, then a public
university couldn't either. The court forced the school to admit
both Polly and Authorn.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Now one thing I forgot to include. There is thirdgood Marshall,
who is knee. He's famous in legal circles. But he
was not the only lawyer that the NAACP sent. The
other was Constance. I believe her middle name was Brown
Motley on ss Motley. So yeah, anyway, so what and
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take this next little section here. Lucy attended her first
class on February third, nineteen fifty six. The ku Klux
Klan burned crosses nightly on the university campus. By February
sixth more than one thousand men were protesting on the
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lawn of the university, even throwing eggs and bricks at
the vehicle. The Dean of Women's Studies drove her from
class to class in threats. Threats often illiterate and unintelligible. Gee,
wonder why sorry, I was going to say, big surprise
there racists are a literate and unintelligible Who knew I knew?
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Horton in against Authorn and the president of the university's
home was pelted with stones. It was the largest most
violent post Brown anti integration demonstration in the country. In
the wake of these actions, the university suspended Lucy on
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the grounds that her attending the school was dangerous for
her health and the health of the other students, and
Luther King spoke about it in a sermon later that year,
claiming that mobocracy had won out over democracy and otherwise
condemning the cowardly actions of the school and the paper
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that afterwards made such a deal out of the town
and university being at peace.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So upsetting. It's so heartbreaking to think that this young
woman was just trying to get her education and this
all of these people were just constantly in the verrized.
Just awful.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Oh and the article that the newspaper wrote after that
she'd been expelled was just craven, ridiculously cowardly. It was, well,
you know, we're at peace now again because the school
made the right decision to protect itself and the other
students by getting rid of this one black student and
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blah blah blah upset the status quot blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It just it is so ridiculous. Yeah, so let's take
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Speaker 11 (26:24):
Does, whether They are in Johannesburg, South Africa, Nairobi, Kenya, Proagana,
New York City, Atlanta, Georgia, Jackson, Mississippi, on Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
The cry is always the same, we want to be free.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It was time to get back to the show. And
now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, thank you, Lex However, I'm going to take us
out of here. The NAACP was not done. It said,
no way, we are not just gonna lay down and
take this. They filed content of court charges against the
president of the university, the trustees, the Dean of Studies,
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who had kept authoring from the dining hall dormitories. They
also filed them against Leonard Wilson and three other men,
none of whom were connected to the university, for participating
in the riots. The court in Birmingham ordered the schools
to readmit Lucy and take proper steps to protect her.
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That's right that schools should have taken care of her.
They shouldn't have kicked her out. That was ridiculous, I agree.
The trustees then permanently banned Lucy from the mission, claiming
that Lucy she had slandered them at trial and they
couldn't readmit her like this courtonin. They had to let
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her in and then they banner completely. That's ridiculous. University
president Oliver Carmichael resigned over the Board of Trustee's decision. Well,
that makes me feel a little better. Oliver had some
redeeming qualities. Maybe. While Authurm was initially disappointed over essentially
losing the case, their good Marshal told her that her
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decisions had paid the way for future generations and that
she should be proud of herself. And I think that too,
because she made a really big impression on you all
of these years later, so much so that you wanted
us to talk about her on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
No, I actually just found it out about her school.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
That's what I'm saying. Though she made an impression on you,
you found out about her at school, You learned about her,
and you came home and you told us about her
because Daddy and I didn't know all of these things
about author and Lucy. That means she's still making a difference.
Even though she's passed on and she's gone now, she's
still making a difference. She made her mark on history,
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and she's still inspiring young women today, just like you
isn't that cool?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I think she's making it have been a real good place.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I think so too. Alrighty, so, Arthur, you want to
take this next section for us.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
But for the rest of her life, Authorne would appear
at n DOUBLEACP events and speak about her experience or
her experiences. She's still hurt over the way she'd been explored,
been expelled. Well often, she said she thought on it
less and less. Because he was so worried over her
(29:48):
court case, Thurgerd Marshall and his wife Cecilia would bring
her to New York, where.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
She would stay in their home for several weeks and
always looked back on their health and kindness fondly. She
married Hugh Foster, a student of divinity and later minister.
She had met in Miles College, and they had lived
in various places in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. After the
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court case, it was hard for her to find a
job as a teacher, many feeling that her civil activism
would be bad for the schools where she taught. Still,
she taught English and raised children and spoke at the
at the odd in double a CP event.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And that's just a fancy way of saying that she
didn't appear at as many NAACP events as she used to.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
She would see. So do you want to send us
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The cry is always the same, we want to be free.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It was time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Are you ready your last segment? Yeah, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
In October of nineteen eight eight, the University of Alabama
annulled authorings explosion, and she enrolled in a post graduate
education class the following year and You Graduate, graduating in
(31:52):
nineteen ninety two with an MA the Education and.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Education.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Her daughter, Grazia Grazia Fast Graduate, graduated with a BA
from from the University of the Alabama of Alabama.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The same year.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Perfect The university named and in dowed Endowed scholars Scholarship
and her honor unveiled. Unfrailed a portrait of her in
the student union in twenty twenty two and also renamed
(32:43):
the student Hall in her honor. As well, Authoring became
a member of the school board in Birmingham, Birmingham, Alabama.
She was She was a sister of the saber Zeto
phil Pi Pie.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So great job, great job, LEXI, thank you so much
for your hope.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
And that that word's confusing. It's a Greek letter. It's pie.
I know it's spelled five, but it's pronounced pie at.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Least in Mommy told Mommy told me to say it wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
You're fine.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm the one who mispronounced that one.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
But it's Greek. If you don't know Greek, if you
don't know Greek, it's it's easy.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I don't drink.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Atherine would die March second of twenty twenty two at
the age of ninety two. While history books don't tell
what she died of or how she passed, it does
seem she was surrounded by friends and family and went peacefully.
In twenty ten, the University of Alabama erected the Author
(33:53):
and Lucy Clock Tower on campus, and in twenty twenty two,
just weeks before her passing, they renamed Graves Hall to
Author and Lucy Hall. Although at this point in her
life she was really going by Author and Lucy Forrester
because she was married and so for a long time.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well, a lot of plaques in her honor have that
name Author and Lucy Forrester. I just want to make
sure we make that clear. This was especially poignant as
the bill the building had originally been named after a
former university president who had opposed integration Lucy's Lucy's story
(34:35):
is now part of civil rights curricula across taught across
the US. She's taught alongside figures like Ruby Bridgett, Ruby Bridges,
and the Little Rock Nine. Her experience offers a nuanced
look at how institution used moral codes and bureaucratic tactics
to resist disegregation even after legal rulings.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's it feels again, it feels very appropriate for the
times in the day and age that we're living in.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
The National Museum of African American History and Culture features
her story as part of its permanent collection, framing her
as an indomitable spirit who helped crack the foundation of
Jim Crow education. Her grandniece, Nakima Williams, is now a
US representative from Georgia, continuing the family's commitment to public
(35:36):
service and civil rights advocacy. Lucy's return to the University
of Alabama in nineteen eighty eight to complete her master's
degree more than thirty years after her expulsion, stands as
a testament to resilience. She didn't just break barriers, she
outlasted them.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Very nice.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Let's go ahead and had a final word from our sponsors,
and then we will go to our summary.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
In final thoughts, whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa, Nairobic, Kenya, Ghana,
New York City, Atlanta, Georgia, Jackson, Mississippi, on Memphis, Tennessee,
the cry is always the same.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
We want to be free.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
It was time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Why can't we did that together? The microphone probably didn't
pick mine up because I was facing that way, but.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Still all right, So summary final thoughts.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I think, uh, well, I think our guest went first
last week, right, and Lexi has retired for the evening.
She's like, I put in what you needed me to
put in. I'm shy now and I'm gonna go hide
in my tablets. So we'll drop some final thoughts in
here for her. Why don't we start with Arthur Final
(37:07):
thoughts on author and Lucy Arthur.
Speaker 15 (37:09):
She was very resilient, especially when it came to her collegeers.
I don't know, for some reason, I think that would
be more difficult. I mean, yeah, it's going to be
difficult when you're living through your whole childhood.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Surely we didn't have a lot, yeah, with you know,
ten children in the house and they were they were farmers,
and then dad had a bunch of side gigs, side
hustles that he did. But that couldn't have been a
lot to feed all of those kids.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
Couldn't have been.
Speaker 16 (37:41):
No, especially like growing up from that, growing up from that,
and then having to deal with not being accepted to
a college because of the color of skin that you have.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Well, and then can you imagine you yourself having to
go somewhere and stay for a week at a time
to go to school and then come home on your
parents to the weekend. Because that's how she even graduated
high school. Because that's what we were talking about. She
was your age and she was going to the school
until she turned eighteen that she would go to. She
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would spend a week there and then she would come
back on the weekend because it was too far for
her to travel to go every day.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Yeah, No, I couldn't even do that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Oh, I mean you.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Probably could have you had to, but I mean I could,
but it would be a lot, It would.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Be a lot.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
It would be very difficult to get through.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So I.
Speaker 8 (38:38):
Stand her on that note.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
And she just seems like a very wonderful woman and
she did a lot.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
For the people around her.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
She did.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
She didn't just stop at no either. Yeah, which is
so easy to do.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
That so easy to stop it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Know what, Sometimes you have to push back on that note.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Sometimes, especially if you get in a bunch of times
and you keep saying no, and then you finally feel
like you've hit rock bottom.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
And she didn't just stop. They changed a lot, so
she changed with them. She didn't just give up the
first time that things changed on her. She kept pushing.
She didn't stop and wait for something to happen with
her push. She was also still taking care of business
on the other side, working two jobs and pushing back. Right,
I'm probably not gonna have final thoughts because they keep
(39:26):
jumping in on Arthur's no. I was I was agreeing,
so I was conversing. I'm just saying no, no, no, no,
no wait to me, and I've already said all.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
Of them, it's okay, it's okay. I feel like we
should do that more often. But like with the three
of us conversate like.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Try, it's just sometimes we're like totally but acres away
from each other.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Well, and here's the thing. I was intentionally like not
jumping in there just because I don't know. I wanted
to cogitate over this little bit more because.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Okay, qagitate because I'm curious as to what you need
to cogitate over.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I am trying to put myself in an in the
empathetic situation. I'm trying to picture having to be driven
to your classes, not walk, but driven because there's a
thousand people. I was I went to college. If you
put a thousand people on our campus protesting, it would
have looked overcrowded.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Oh yeah, no, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And while University of Alabama is probably bigger than Northwest
Missouri State University, I don't know. And that's where the
Chiefs play, by the way, So and that's mostly just
an excuse for me to say chiefs so I can happen.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well, it's home episode with the connection with the Chiefs.
That makes it. That's a that's a connection to Kansas City.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Anyway, the point is is that.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
And actually it's royal season.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Just saying sorry, it is royal season. I get that,
But the Royals do not practice at Northwest Missouri State.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
That's right. I'm just saying, as long as we're dropping
the Chiefs name, we might as well drop the Royals
name as well.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
Fair enough.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Anyway, The point is that, I just I can't wrap
my head around being driven to school as people throw
eggs and bricks at the car you're in.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Well, and.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It sounds like even though author and Lucy was still
pushing back, the people that they originally got to show
for her around got to the point where they also said, no,
this is crazy, I'm not doing this. You don't pay
me enough. And the school just set up there on
their right high horses and still didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Well, no, because they didn't want to enter right in
the first place, exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And I think it's very telling that that president stepped
down two and then when the President said down, they
just did more. It's just insane, so totally insane.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, So, I just I can't imagine people being like
that over the color of someone's skin.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
At the same time, it's not my first time dealing
with open racism.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
I mean I was.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Too, obviously, But I think it's very telling, like I said,
for the political climate that we find ourselves in now,
where there are those who want people to be included.
We understand that we are the same human mind, the
same spirit. We are the same inside and out, aside
from a few genetic differences, but everyone across all races
(42:59):
have differences. But the fact that anyone will look down
for the color of their skin or even anything else,
but especially the color of your skin, the color of
your hair, or the color of your eyes, these things
just are intuitively inane to me. It just absolutely makes
(43:21):
no kind of sense or reason. Is that describing that well?
Speaker 1 (43:26):
No, it is describing that well. And the thing that
worries me is the party in power seems to be
very keen on the idea of going back.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
To the sort of yeah, and that's I think that's
what scares me as a mother, and scares a lot
of us as family members. But we don't want to
drill too deep into political policies and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
We know, just we don't pot ticks out of it,
but we can.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
Agree with you.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
But it's like if you bury enough store hers and
they're like, it didn't happen, And if it didn't happen,
then what's to stop it from happening.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
It's which is very similar to what we talked about,
very similar to what we talked about last week. That
you know, it's it's scary because you don't care about
these things. Schools don't teach about these things. I'm thrilled
that our daughter learned about it in public education, but
we most certainly didn't. And I think that a lot
(44:27):
of the people that are in places of higher standing
than us and have more of a political standing, more
of a powerful voice in society need.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
To say that's enough of this, right right, we need
to have our uh start the discussions. We need to
have our moment of sir, have you no decency? At
long last? Have you no decency?
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Which is the last thing anybody said to Tailgunner Joe Joe?
So I don't remember names, Oh god, Joe McCarthy, McCarthy ism,
Joe McCarthy. It's the last thing anybody said to Tail Gunner.
Joe before he went out of power, basically because he
was this big name in Congress and he was investigating
(45:18):
everybody and everything because everybody and everything was communists, communist
communist communists. Oh my gun.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Echo back to the old phrase of power corrupts and
absolute power cerrupts. Absolutely yeah, and it does, it absolutely does.
So we have to be careful and make sure that
the people who are in power are the ones who
deserve to be in power, and if not, they need
to be removed.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
From that power exactly. So anyway, so I guess my
final thought is just I'm very positive on author and Lucy.
I'm very positive on the fact that I learned about
it through my eight year old daughter who brought it
home from public school. I think more people should know
about her, So I hope this episode gets out there.
(46:04):
I want to say thanks to being's co pilot who
put me through a crash course in hashtags this morning.
So hopefully then use the AI in.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Your computer, honey, well healthy ways, not in stealing other
people's creative design to waits.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
What that's the best use in my mind for that
really is.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I know that AI gets a lot of slack for
helping with creative endeavors for drawings and art art styles
and writing and writing styles. Absolutely, that's happening. No lies,
there are always people who are going to take those shortcuts.
Absolutely a thing. Well, it's like I will be only
a place and a purpose for AI and those things
(46:48):
are to make us as humans able to better interact
with the information that's available to us.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Right, And I will ask co pilot aka I call
it kopy to make pictures from what I'm writing quite
a bit, but I will not use those to promote.
If I need art to promote with or to use
for a cover, I'm gonna go give money each other
using AI art.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
It needs to be denoted as AI art.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Well, yeah, I always do notice the ar R.
Speaker 16 (47:20):
And also the other reason people obviously dislike art is
because it's stolen from other artists.
Speaker 9 (47:28):
It's not just the AI's completely made up mine accuracy.
It has no soul because the soul that was in
it was mixed with all these other things and it
made whatever the new drawing was. But it's copying from artists,
and it doesn't get any of the artists that made
(47:51):
those images.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
The it's copying pieces from different pieces of art. I
think that's an important that's an important it's delenation piece.
I absolutely agree it is. I don't disagree with you
at all. You're an artist and I respect your art
one hundred percent. But I think as long as you
are not making money off of it, and you are
(48:14):
not distributing that whole person's art as your art, I
think that's where the line falls. But that's just me.
Speaker 8 (48:20):
It's different for everyone, yep.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
And for my taste. My thing is is for the
free stuff I need done. It's great. If I need
something that's going to cost money, I'm going to give
it to a human artist.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Absolutely, and absolutely you're one hundred percent supportive of all artists.
We are artists in this family so well.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
You know, Arthur, in addition to being a podcaster, is
also a voice talent.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Speaking of what you guys sent those Seeing those.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Voices, I saw the one for Cyberpunk, and since I play,
I'm very impry for a DC thing too. I saw that,
but since I played d c OH, I feel like
my job would be one of the normals, just like
oh my God, run away.
Speaker 8 (49:12):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Amazing people like Laura Bailey and Travis Willingham do that
crap all the time?
Speaker 1 (49:21):
You know anymore?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
But how do you like how I dropt? Name dropped
my favorite critical role couple. There's sweet also critical role
couple who have played Superman and Lewis lane On on
a DC animated movie. So you can hashtag that.
Speaker 8 (49:42):
After Let's go.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
So I guess my final thought is to keep it
focused on author and Lucy herself is that I'm glad
that I know about her, and I think more people should.
I think really, everything goes away if we stop linking
at the things that you divide us and start looking
at the things that unite us. And one of those
(50:08):
things is the human experience. We all have it, we
all go through with it. And if we just look
at people from the human experience, all this stupid yeah, immigration, eh,
black people, and it all goes away, Yes, it all
goes away.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
In life are gonna have differences, and everyone in life
are going to disagree.
Speaker 8 (50:29):
That is one thing.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
The way you show your state and show your country
and show wherever you live is completely different than treating
other human beings like absolute garbage.
Speaker 8 (50:47):
Excuse my French.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Now you've gotta bleep. Arthur made it almost the whole
episode without any Arthur bleeps.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
And now, well, according to Kobe, that's what you're known for.
Speaker 8 (50:58):
Cord and a copy everything.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Every other thing is going to be. According to Koby,
that's gonna be your get off my lawnline.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
That's n no.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
In that way, I'm gonna be old school. I don't
know where you guys will be, but I will be
sitting on a porch with your uncle Danny somewhere and
we'll be talking about things we've never done, and when
someone gets on the lawn, we'll both not off our.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
Lord, I believe that about you.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
That's the plan.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
That's our show.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yes, that's our show. Thanks for listening, Thanks for keeping
us in the good pods. Top one hundred. How did
i end you at the wrong spot?
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Wait? What?
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Oh? I'm sorry, Well no, I don't remember.
Speaker 8 (51:46):
Now it's fine.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I'm sorry, Arthur. I did not know I had interrupted you.
Next time, please get my attention. I try very hard
not to interrupt either of you because it is a show.
Note I get fairly often is that I'm too controlling
your control because I step on your lines or whatnot.
Speaker 8 (52:09):
You dipped flank.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I love you, baby, I try not to.
Speaker 8 (52:14):
I know you, you're Finn.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
It's all of your years of experience and we're newbies. Also,
I'm used to talking over everybody, so it's you kind
of have to talk.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Over me to shut me out anyway, So I am sorry, Arthur.
I did not mean to talk over Thanks for keeping
us in the Good POD's Top one hundred. I might
have already said that, but I've lost my place, so
some things get repeated. Thanks for being members of the
fan hashtag Let's Learn Something. Let's make that go global.
(52:46):
That's sort of our motto here, Let's learn something. Thanks
to Blue, Lexi, Laura, and Arthur.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Special thanks to Lexi for being our guest tonight.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
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Crime podcast and Aaron Gnerk of The Big Dumb Fund Show.
Bill Barrant that last name is called the e h
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own Arthur's artwork to do some logo art for us.
Speaker 8 (53:33):
Thank you, Paige, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Thanks to Aaron Gnerk of The Big Dumb Fund Show
who continues to promote us locally. Join us next week
as we cover a local story looking into the story
of Sands Hopkins. And that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
You said, Sands Sand did this?
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Sands Sands Hopkins SA, DS Hands. That's his name.
Speaker 8 (54:03):
Name by
Speaker 1 (54:51):
Y
Yeah, I'm Dean, I'm the dad, I'm Laura.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm the mom, and I'm Arthur. I'm the son.
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Speaker 2 (01:05):
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What are we talking about tonight? Well, tonight, we go
back to the late nineteen twenties to meet the youngest
daughter of an African American sharecropper and his wife. This
young woman would grow up to be an educator, a
civil rights activist, and she would change the world. We
dig into the life of this amazing young woman named
(03:19):
author and Lucy in this Lexi requested and guested episode
of the Family Plot podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You can say thank you brand means thank you. Well,
let's use our words. Not everybody speaks LEXI. Can you
say thank you, thank you, You're welcome, good job. That
was nice and loud.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Okay, So let me take this first part here. So
on October fifth, nineteen twenty nine, Minnie Maud Lucy born
Hosea Mini mod I'm guessing she was related to the mouse.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I doubt it.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
In nineteen twenty, it makes really nice and her husband,
Milton Cornelius Lucy, gave birth to Authrene Juanita Lucy.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Authurin was the youngest of ten children and would have
four brothers and five sisters. So that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
You read that backwards? Is that?
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Four sisters and five brothers I did, okay, five of each, Yeah,
five and five even split.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, money and Milton were all about keeping things even
up on the sharecropping farm.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yes, many and Milton were sharecroppers who farmed one hundred
and ten acres in Shiloh, Alabama. That's a lot. That's
a lot. And Milton would do blacksmithing work, weave baskets
and make axe handles to supplement the family's income.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
She came from very hard working parents, didn't she Lexell? Yes,
obviously that's those are all of those things that her
daddy did. Those are all very hard manual work that
she did that he did.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
AT's see now. Authren would attend Shiloh Public School through
grade ten before transferring to Linden Academy in London, Alabama.
In Linden in London. She would sleep overnight in London.
I was unable to figure out if the Linden Academy
had dorms for students or whether Authren would have spent
(05:22):
the night with family or friends in the area. She
would do this during the week and come home to
her family on the weekends. So grade ten, that's what
like fifteen?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, yeah, right around that, because well fourteen fifteen, because Arthur,
you just finished tenth grade, right.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yes, yeah, so yeah, it was pretty young to spend
every you know, all weekdays, so she very much.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
In grade ten. She could have been like ready to
graduate out. Also, depending on how the school system ran
where she was.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, here's the thing. The school system she went to
was probably still segregated. So it was a black educational system.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
But it might be different than we see today.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, but she certainly did everything she could to get educated.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Sounds like it.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Now. She graduated from Lyndon Academy in nineteen forty seven
at the age of eighteen. From there, she attended Selma
University in Selma and in Alabama, where she got a
teaching or diviiciate.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yay author and lucy.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah. However, at Alabama, at that point changed their teaching requirements,
and so she went on to the historically black college,
Miles College in Fairfield.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
All right, so do you think that we should take
some time now and go head over to Arthur's corner?
What do you think, Lexi? Yeah, yes, let's go to
Arthur's corner. Hey, Arthur, are you ready to go to
the corner?
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (07:08):
Here, ye, here ye, allow me to present Arthur's corner
that expired.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
I know it looks it looks great.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Actually, it looks fantastic, it really does. I put, I put,
I put an extension in my hair cut, Burgundy extension.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It looks good.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
It looks good, actually it does.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Anyways, Hello everyone, welcome back to my corner.
Speaker 8 (07:30):
How are we doing today.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm excited that we've got Lexie and Arthur on the
corner this week.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I'm excited just to be here.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So you Lexie, how you doing today?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I am doing great?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
You're doing great? Well, that is fantastic. I am back again, everybody.
I'm so sorry. This is the second episode. I haven't
been here, well, not in a row, but the second
you did?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeh been here?
Speaker 8 (07:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well you know you're you're a growing boy, and you've
started your first job. This week, you got your first paycheck,
so that was, well, that's a milestone.
Speaker 8 (08:02):
Yes, yes, indeed.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You've already spent it.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Whatever you spent it on, I don't know, but I
know very expensive.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I know that you just probably you just dropped a
bomb on something. Yes, absolutely, just I don't I don't think.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I want to know what you just spent all that money.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't think you do either, probably not. I still
have like twenty something dollars though, so that's okay, wow, no,
but okay. Anyway, So what's going on in your corner
this week other than spending your first pay check?
Speaker 9 (08:35):
And I'm very excited because I have been working on
a bunch of art fight stuff good which I.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Explained it last week. But basically, it's like a battle
between two sides, and it's it's like a fun competitive thing,
not like a negative competitive thing.
Speaker 8 (08:55):
I see.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
You get to draw other people's character and your team
it's more points, and the more points that the team has,
the more likely you are to win nice or the
more likely your team is to win. Now, I don't
know what happens if you win, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I just I've just been enjoying it.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I've just been enjoying it, and I'm like, that's what
it's all about.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And that's what it's all so, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
That was my childhood and the pokey but no, I am.
I did a I did. I did a piece of
art for somebody m hm, and they went ranting about it.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
In my comments. Cool, and I was like, dude, I'm
so glad you like it.
Speaker 9 (09:42):
It's I need to send it to you after the
podcast because it's so fire and I'd love to put
it up on Facebook.
Speaker 8 (09:49):
We will put it on face.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Actually, I saw that post on Instagram. I I I
follow Arthur Worther on the Worth and Worth on Instagram.
Speaker 10 (10:02):
Nice, so I saw that. Yeah, yeah, it was amazing.
That is beautiful. And I did all the shading. I
did the whole drawing by myself, or didn't do anything
I did.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It's beautiful, steal anything beautiful, beautiful. You are talented and creative.
But we know that about you.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And I'm slowly finding out that I'm really good at
art actually, and I'm voious about that.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
We've known that you're good at art for quite some time. Yeah,
I've been doing our podcast art for a minute. You
just need to build up some confidence in yourself.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Confidence is kind of hard to build, I understand.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Especially when you have imposter syndrome like a mug which
impostor syndrome is like, okay with me. It's when I'm
writing and I'll go back and read it and I'll
be like, this is horrible. I'm not a real writer.
I'm not good. Impostor syndrome. You're not as good as
you think you are. You're not as good as you
(11:02):
need to be. Whereas when other people feel like.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You feel like you're being an imposter, like you are
presenting something that's not true about yourself, when that's actually
just your brain telling you that that's basically the generalized
idea of it.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Yeah, this is my new style.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I dig it, I dig it. I had a rat
tail when I was your age.
Speaker 8 (11:28):
Huh for rattails?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You had a rat tail when you were sixteen?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
You still have a rat tail?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Well, he has long curls.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I love his long curls. They are so super sexy.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
But yes, when I was sixteen, I had a rattail
until my mom cut it off.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Oh, well that I believe you because you met.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You've met your grandmother, grandmother.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Okay, so what else now that you have your have
your little pretty rat tail, and we know that dad
lost his and his teens.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Do you guys want to know what I spent my
money on? I guess, so I made this character.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
Her name is.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Vallas and she is a skullhound sucking bus.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
So did you buy a furhead for Vallas? I bought
a base, yes, but it's really cool.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
On a base, I mean, okay, it's made completely out
of resin. Okay, that's the main Like I guess, it's
not a base, it's like the.
Speaker 8 (12:29):
Main part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Okay, Well, I'll just do you you it's your money,
you worked for it. I'm not gonna judge already. Well,
congratulations on your purchase.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
And is there what else are we talking about in
the corner this week?
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Yeah, that's all Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yep, Arthur Arthur very cool. Kind of reminds me of
that dog I want.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Is that massive?
Speaker 7 (12:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
At least in the face it does. I mean it
doesn't have all the hair or is your brother Ian
called bear lions?
Speaker 8 (13:02):
They do look like their lions.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
They do we Mom just got these really good Well
it won't be a slice left, no baked peanut butter
pie bars, not bars, but it's peanut butter pie miniature cups.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
And they're really good. Like I've been gnawing on them.
She bought them from.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The store and they're they're pretty special.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
They're they're pretty special. Yeah, that's that's something of you
to say. That's let me see what else?
Speaker 8 (13:30):
What else?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I'm joyous that she is here, but she's not talking. Well,
it's your corner. She's waiting patiently.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
It might be my corner, but I want her to
talk to everyone's talking except for her.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
But she's just listening, right. Yeah, Yeah, Are you happy
to be in Arthur's corner?
Speaker 8 (13:48):
Do you say it a little louder?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
See it louder? So the microphone picked you up? Yeah, yeah,
we're in Arthur's corner. Chips I did bring Arthur did
get chips. Maybe he'll give you one.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Actually, Lexi's gonna got your teeth, Arthur. Lexi's gonna have
salad with the rest of it.
Speaker 8 (14:07):
She's gonna eat that.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
No, but there's a bag full of macaroni and cheese
and hot dogs and her refrigerator. So I got this.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
She probably would eat pieces of it, just not the
whole salad.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
I eat the salad.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I eat the salad.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
I just want something else with it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
Gonna make a.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Peanut butter and jelly.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
There you go. Well, Arthur, it's gonna have chicken. It's
gonna have bacon on it. It's gonna have breacon's gonna
have cheese. It's gonna have.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Hey, you that sounds fire. Actually you ready?
Speaker 8 (14:43):
What's the sauce?
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Well, well, we have branch and French French, all right.
So now that we've started talking about dinner, I'm hungry.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Let me allow me to move on from the corner.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So let's just on corner, the corner.
Speaker 8 (14:59):
Corner, the corner.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
So we're going from corner to give you the mouse.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
But you can see the whole thing.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
At Myles, Authurine would pursue and eventually earn a degree
in English, which would satisfy the new Alabama, Alabama teaching requirements,
but while there she also met.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And befriended A Paulie Myers. Paulie was born we think
in or near Birmingham, Alabama. But what is known for
sure is that she attended Miles College at the same
time as author and Lucy, and the pair hit it off.
They became best friends. They Polly was big in civil
(15:45):
rights activism, and of course initially Authourin was was not.
When Paulie organized in a n A A CP youth
can I just say that, yes.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
What most people refer to and double ACA.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
Chapter at Miles College, she practically had to beg Authorine
to join. So as their graduation, Polly said that she
was going to attend and now the University of Alabama
for postgraduate studies. Authorine said that she would as well,
initially believing her friend was joking. However, once Authorin discovered
(16:27):
that Polly was quite serious, then she reaffirmed her commitment
to attending the school. In nineteen fifty two, they requested
admission to the school and were initially accepted. However, once
it was warned that the girls were black, their admission
was rescinded because of the University of Alabama at that
(16:48):
point had never admitted a black student.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That is so poop.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It is poop. That's terrible, So poop.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Are you gonna read them life?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's where we leave off and now we're going to
take a minute for a word from our sponsors, and
then Lexi, when we come back, can you tell us
a little bit more about Author and Lucy? Yes, okay.
Speaker 11 (17:11):
Whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa, Nairobi, Kenya, Paragana,
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Speaker 7 (17:24):
The cry is always the same, we want to be free.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It was time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
You ready to get back to the show. Yes, okay,
go ahead and take us from there. Okay, okay, we're here.
I'll highlight it so you can read a lot so
Austin and Lucy.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yes, So Authur and Lucy did not leave well the
four case was underway. She instead taught English at a
school in Corteage, Mississippi, and also worked as in as
US Secure Secretary secretary secretary an insurance insurance company. I
(18:31):
think Lucy wanted the core battle to go her way,
but at first the case the case has had had stalled.
It wasn't until until another court case ruled the secretary
the secretary segregation. Segregation was not allowed in public.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
Education education.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Did Author Lucy and Polly's case, get some traction.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Creeture you've made so might at work, Laxie, Thank you
so much for telling us about that.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
And traction is just a big word for the case.
Finally got somewhere job.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So we're gonna take a minute. Now, we're gonna hear
from some of our friends and local some of our
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Whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa, Nairobi, Kenya, Paragana,
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the cry is always the same, We want to be free.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It was time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Sorry about that, Daddy'll just have to remove the phone
ringing from our episode. Okay. So, while Authurne entered the workforce,
the NAACP had chosen to represent her case, as had
local attorney Arthur What a Great Name Shores. He worked
(21:53):
with the NAACP. Someone from the NAACP Namesgood Marshal. Their
good Marshall was riding a wave of victory from a
court case called Brown versus the Board of Education, where
the Supreme Court had ruled that segregation in education was unconstitutional.
(22:20):
From nineteen fifty two to nineteen fifty four, the court
case dragged on, and Polly an Authrene watched it with
dread and glee. I can imagine that must have been
very distressing, right, my goodness. So the university had made
the suggestion that since the pair had degrees, any further
(22:43):
education on their part was unnecessary, but part of Authren's
admission inquiry had included that she sought the postgraduate degree
not out of necessity, but in order to have the
best education available in her state. After three years, the
judge based his ruling on the recent Brown versus Board
(23:06):
of Education decision, claiming that public school couldn't say that
if a public school could not segregate, then a public
university couldn't either. The court forced the school to admit
both Polly and Authorn.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Now one thing I forgot to include. There is thirdgood Marshall,
who is knee. He's famous in legal circles. But he
was not the only lawyer that the NAACP sent. The
other was Constance. I believe her middle name was Brown
Motley on ss Motley. So yeah, anyway, so what and
(23:47):
take this next little section here. Lucy attended her first
class on February third, nineteen fifty six. The ku Klux
Klan burned crosses nightly on the university campus. By February
sixth more than one thousand men were protesting on the
(24:07):
lawn of the university, even throwing eggs and bricks at
the vehicle. The Dean of Women's Studies drove her from
class to class in threats. Threats often illiterate and unintelligible. Gee,
wonder why sorry, I was going to say, big surprise
there racists are a literate and unintelligible Who knew I knew?
(24:31):
Horton in against Authorn and the president of the university's
home was pelted with stones. It was the largest most
violent post Brown anti integration demonstration in the country. In
the wake of these actions, the university suspended Lucy on
(24:51):
the grounds that her attending the school was dangerous for
her health and the health of the other students, and
Luther King spoke about it in a sermon later that year,
claiming that mobocracy had won out over democracy and otherwise
condemning the cowardly actions of the school and the paper
(25:15):
that afterwards made such a deal out of the town
and university being at peace.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So upsetting. It's so heartbreaking to think that this young
woman was just trying to get her education and this
all of these people were just constantly in the verrized.
Just awful.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Oh and the article that the newspaper wrote after that
she'd been expelled was just craven, ridiculously cowardly. It was, well,
you know, we're at peace now again because the school
made the right decision to protect itself and the other
students by getting rid of this one black student and
(25:59):
blah blah blah upset the status quot blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It just it is so ridiculous. Yeah, so let's take
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Does, whether They are in Johannesburg, South Africa, Nairobi, Kenya, Proagana,
New York City, Atlanta, Georgia, Jackson, Mississippi, on Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
The cry is always the same, we want to be free.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It was time to get back to the show. And
now back to the show.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Well, thank you, Lex However, I'm going to take us
out of here. The NAACP was not done. It said,
no way, we are not just gonna lay down and
take this. They filed content of court charges against the
president of the university, the trustees, the Dean of Studies,
(27:20):
who had kept authoring from the dining hall dormitories. They
also filed them against Leonard Wilson and three other men,
none of whom were connected to the university, for participating
in the riots. The court in Birmingham ordered the schools
to readmit Lucy and take proper steps to protect her.
(27:45):
That's right that schools should have taken care of her.
They shouldn't have kicked her out. That was ridiculous, I agree.
The trustees then permanently banned Lucy from the mission, claiming
that Lucy she had slandered them at trial and they
couldn't readmit her like this courtonin. They had to let
(28:09):
her in and then they banner completely. That's ridiculous. University
president Oliver Carmichael resigned over the Board of Trustee's decision. Well,
that makes me feel a little better. Oliver had some
redeeming qualities. Maybe. While Authurm was initially disappointed over essentially
losing the case, their good Marshal told her that her
(28:30):
decisions had paid the way for future generations and that
she should be proud of herself. And I think that too,
because she made a really big impression on you all
of these years later, so much so that you wanted
us to talk about her on the podcast.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
No, I actually just found it out about her school.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
That's what I'm saying. Though she made an impression on you,
you found out about her at school, You learned about her,
and you came home and you told us about her
because Daddy and I didn't know all of these things
about author and Lucy. That means she's still making a difference.
Even though she's passed on and she's gone now, she's
still making a difference. She made her mark on history,
(29:10):
and she's still inspiring young women today, just like you
isn't that cool?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I think she's making it have been a real good place.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I think so too. Alrighty, so, Arthur, you want to
take this next section for us.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
But for the rest of her life, Authorne would appear
at n DOUBLEACP events and speak about her experience or
her experiences. She's still hurt over the way she'd been explored,
been expelled. Well often, she said she thought on it
less and less. Because he was so worried over her
(29:48):
court case, Thurgerd Marshall and his wife Cecilia would bring
her to New York, where.
Speaker 9 (29:56):
She would stay in their home for several weeks and
always looked back on their health and kindness fondly. She
married Hugh Foster, a student of divinity and later minister.
She had met in Miles College, and they had lived
in various places in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. After the
(30:18):
court case, it was hard for her to find a
job as a teacher, many feeling that her civil activism
would be bad for the schools where she taught. Still,
she taught English and raised children and spoke at the
at the odd in double a CP event.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
And that's just a fancy way of saying that she
didn't appear at as many NAACP events as she used to.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
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The cry is always the same, we want to be free.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It was time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Are you ready your last segment? Yeah, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
In October of nineteen eight eight, the University of Alabama
annulled authorings explosion, and she enrolled in a post graduate
education class the following year and You Graduate, graduating in
(31:52):
nineteen ninety two with an MA the Education and.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Education.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Her daughter, Grazia Grazia Fast Graduate, graduated with a BA
from from the University of the Alabama of Alabama.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The same year.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Perfect The university named and in dowed Endowed scholars Scholarship
and her honor unveiled. Unfrailed a portrait of her in
the student union in twenty twenty two and also renamed
(32:43):
the student Hall in her honor. As well, Authoring became
a member of the school board in Birmingham, Birmingham, Alabama.
She was She was a sister of the saber Zeto
phil Pi Pie.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So great job, great job, LEXI, thank you so much
for your hope.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
And that that word's confusing. It's a Greek letter. It's pie.
I know it's spelled five, but it's pronounced pie at.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Least in Mommy told Mommy told me to say it wrong.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
You're fine.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm the one who mispronounced that one.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
But it's Greek. If you don't know Greek, if you
don't know Greek, it's it's easy.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I don't drink.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Atherine would die March second of twenty twenty two at
the age of ninety two. While history books don't tell
what she died of or how she passed, it does
seem she was surrounded by friends and family and went peacefully.
In twenty ten, the University of Alabama erected the Author
(33:53):
and Lucy Clock Tower on campus, and in twenty twenty two,
just weeks before her passing, they renamed Graves Hall to
Author and Lucy Hall. Although at this point in her
life she was really going by Author and Lucy Forrester
because she was married and so for a long time.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well, a lot of plaques in her honor have that
name Author and Lucy Forrester. I just want to make
sure we make that clear. This was especially poignant as
the bill the building had originally been named after a
former university president who had opposed integration Lucy's Lucy's story
(34:35):
is now part of civil rights curricula across taught across
the US. She's taught alongside figures like Ruby Bridgett, Ruby Bridges,
and the Little Rock Nine. Her experience offers a nuanced
look at how institution used moral codes and bureaucratic tactics
to resist disegregation even after legal rulings.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's it feels again, it feels very appropriate for the
times in the day and age that we're living in.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
The National Museum of African American History and Culture features
her story as part of its permanent collection, framing her
as an indomitable spirit who helped crack the foundation of
Jim Crow education. Her grandniece, Nakima Williams, is now a
US representative from Georgia, continuing the family's commitment to public
(35:36):
service and civil rights advocacy. Lucy's return to the University
of Alabama in nineteen eighty eight to complete her master's
degree more than thirty years after her expulsion, stands as
a testament to resilience. She didn't just break barriers, she
outlasted them.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Very nice.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Let's go ahead and had a final word from our sponsors,
and then we will go to our summary.
Speaker 11 (36:05):
In final thoughts, whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa, Nairobic, Kenya, Ghana,
New York City, Atlanta, Georgia, Jackson, Mississippi, on Memphis, Tennessee,
the cry is always the same.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
We want to be free.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
It was time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Why can't we did that together? The microphone probably didn't
pick mine up because I was facing that way, but.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Still all right, So summary final thoughts.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I think, uh, well, I think our guest went first
last week, right, and Lexi has retired for the evening.
She's like, I put in what you needed me to
put in. I'm shy now and I'm gonna go hide
in my tablets. So we'll drop some final thoughts in
here for her. Why don't we start with Arthur Final
(37:07):
thoughts on author and Lucy Arthur.
Speaker 15 (37:09):
She was very resilient, especially when it came to her collegeers.
I don't know, for some reason, I think that would
be more difficult. I mean, yeah, it's going to be
difficult when you're living through your whole childhood.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Surely we didn't have a lot, yeah, with you know,
ten children in the house and they were they were farmers,
and then dad had a bunch of side gigs, side
hustles that he did. But that couldn't have been a
lot to feed all of those kids.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
Couldn't have been.
Speaker 16 (37:41):
No, especially like growing up from that, growing up from that,
and then having to deal with not being accepted to
a college because of the color of skin that you have.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Well, and then can you imagine you yourself having to
go somewhere and stay for a week at a time
to go to school and then come home on your
parents to the weekend. Because that's how she even graduated
high school. Because that's what we were talking about. She
was your age and she was going to the school
until she turned eighteen that she would go to. She
(38:13):
would spend a week there and then she would come
back on the weekend because it was too far for
her to travel to go every day.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Yeah, No, I couldn't even do that.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Oh, I mean you.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Probably could have you had to, but I mean I could,
but it would be a lot, It would.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Be a lot.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
It would be very difficult to get through.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
So I.
Speaker 8 (38:38):
Stand her on that note.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
And she just seems like a very wonderful woman and
she did a lot.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
For the people around her.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
She did.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
She didn't just stop at no either. Yeah, which is
so easy to do.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
That so easy to stop it.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Know what, Sometimes you have to push back on that note.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Sometimes, especially if you get in a bunch of times
and you keep saying no, and then you finally feel
like you've hit rock bottom.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
And she didn't just stop. They changed a lot, so
she changed with them. She didn't just give up the
first time that things changed on her. She kept pushing.
She didn't stop and wait for something to happen with
her push. She was also still taking care of business
on the other side, working two jobs and pushing back. Right,
I'm probably not gonna have final thoughts because they keep
(39:26):
jumping in on Arthur's no. I was I was agreeing,
so I was conversing. I'm just saying no, no, no, no,
no wait to me, and I've already said all.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
Of them, it's okay, it's okay. I feel like we
should do that more often. But like with the three
of us conversate like.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Try, it's just sometimes we're like totally but acres away
from each other.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Well, and here's the thing. I was intentionally like not
jumping in there just because I don't know. I wanted
to cogitate over this little bit more because.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Okay, qagitate because I'm curious as to what you need
to cogitate over.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I am trying to put myself in an in the
empathetic situation. I'm trying to picture having to be driven
to your classes, not walk, but driven because there's a
thousand people. I was I went to college. If you
put a thousand people on our campus protesting, it would
have looked overcrowded.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Oh yeah, no, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
And while University of Alabama is probably bigger than Northwest
Missouri State University, I don't know. And that's where the
Chiefs play, by the way, So and that's mostly just
an excuse for me to say chiefs so I can happen.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Well, it's home episode with the connection with the Chiefs.
That makes it. That's a that's a connection to Kansas City.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Anyway, the point is is that.
Speaker 8 (41:03):
And actually it's royal season.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Just saying sorry, it is royal season. I get that,
But the Royals do not practice at Northwest Missouri State.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
That's right. I'm just saying, as long as we're dropping
the Chiefs name, we might as well drop the Royals
name as well.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
Fair enough.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Anyway, The point is that, I just I can't wrap
my head around being driven to school as people throw
eggs and bricks at the car you're in.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Well, and.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It sounds like even though author and Lucy was still
pushing back, the people that they originally got to show
for her around got to the point where they also said, no,
this is crazy, I'm not doing this. You don't pay
me enough. And the school just set up there on
their right high horses and still didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Well, no, because they didn't want to enter right in
the first place, exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And I think it's very telling that that president stepped
down two and then when the President said down, they
just did more. It's just insane, so totally insane.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, So, I just I can't imagine people being like
that over the color of someone's skin.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
At the same time, it's not my first time dealing
with open racism.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
I mean I was.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Too, obviously, But I think it's very telling, like I said,
for the political climate that we find ourselves in now,
where there are those who want people to be included.
We understand that we are the same human mind, the
same spirit. We are the same inside and out, aside
from a few genetic differences, but everyone across all races
(42:59):
have differences. But the fact that anyone will look down
for the color of their skin or even anything else,
but especially the color of your skin, the color of
your hair, or the color of your eyes, these things
just are intuitively inane to me. It just absolutely makes
(43:21):
no kind of sense or reason. Is that describing that well?
Speaker 1 (43:26):
No, it is describing that well. And the thing that
worries me is the party in power seems to be
very keen on the idea of going back.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
To the sort of yeah, and that's I think that's
what scares me as a mother, and scares a lot
of us as family members. But we don't want to
drill too deep into political policies and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
We know, just we don't pot ticks out of it,
but we can.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
Agree with you.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
But it's like if you bury enough store hers and
they're like, it didn't happen, And if it didn't happen,
then what's to stop it from happening.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
It's which is very similar to what we talked about,
very similar to what we talked about last week. That
you know, it's it's scary because you don't care about
these things. Schools don't teach about these things. I'm thrilled
that our daughter learned about it in public education, but
we most certainly didn't. And I think that a lot
(44:27):
of the people that are in places of higher standing
than us and have more of a political standing, more
of a powerful voice in society need.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
To say that's enough of this, right right, we need
to have our uh start the discussions. We need to
have our moment of sir, have you no decency? At
long last? Have you no decency?
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Which is the last thing anybody said to Tailgunner Joe Joe?
So I don't remember names, Oh god, Joe McCarthy, McCarthy ism,
Joe McCarthy. It's the last thing anybody said to Tail Gunner.
Joe before he went out of power, basically because he
was this big name in Congress and he was investigating
(45:18):
everybody and everything because everybody and everything was communists, communist
communist communists. Oh my gun.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Echo back to the old phrase of power corrupts and
absolute power cerrupts. Absolutely yeah, and it does, it absolutely does.
So we have to be careful and make sure that
the people who are in power are the ones who
deserve to be in power, and if not, they need
to be removed.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
From that power exactly. So anyway, so I guess my
final thought is just I'm very positive on author and Lucy.
I'm very positive on the fact that I learned about
it through my eight year old daughter who brought it
home from public school. I think more people should know
about her, So I hope this episode gets out there.
(46:04):
I want to say thanks to being's co pilot who
put me through a crash course in hashtags this morning.
So hopefully then use the AI in.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Your computer, honey, well healthy ways, not in stealing other
people's creative design to waits.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
What that's the best use in my mind for that
really is.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
I know that AI gets a lot of slack for
helping with creative endeavors for drawings and art art styles
and writing and writing styles. Absolutely, that's happening. No lies,
there are always people who are going to take those shortcuts.
Absolutely a thing. Well, it's like I will be only
a place and a purpose for AI and those things
(46:48):
are to make us as humans able to better interact
with the information that's available to us.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Right, And I will ask co pilot aka I call
it kopy to make pictures from what I'm writing quite
a bit, but I will not use those to promote.
If I need art to promote with or to use
for a cover, I'm gonna go give money each other
using AI art.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
It needs to be denoted as AI art.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Well, yeah, I always do notice the ar R.
Speaker 16 (47:20):
And also the other reason people obviously dislike art is
because it's stolen from other artists.
Speaker 9 (47:28):
It's not just the AI's completely made up mine accuracy.
It has no soul because the soul that was in
it was mixed with all these other things and it
made whatever the new drawing was. But it's copying from artists,
and it doesn't get any of the artists that made
(47:51):
those images.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
The it's copying pieces from different pieces of art. I
think that's an important that's an important it's delenation piece.
I absolutely agree it is. I don't disagree with you
at all. You're an artist and I respect your art
one hundred percent. But I think as long as you
are not making money off of it, and you are
(48:14):
not distributing that whole person's art as your art, I
think that's where the line falls. But that's just me.
Speaker 8 (48:20):
It's different for everyone, yep.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
And for my taste. My thing is is for the
free stuff I need done. It's great. If I need
something that's going to cost money, I'm going to give
it to a human artist.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Absolutely, and absolutely you're one hundred percent supportive of all artists.
We are artists in this family so well.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
You know, Arthur, in addition to being a podcaster, is
also a voice talent.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
Speaking of what you guys sent those Seeing those.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Voices, I saw the one for Cyberpunk, and since I play,
I'm very impry for a DC thing too. I saw that,
but since I played d c OH, I feel like
my job would be one of the normals, just like
oh my God, run away.
Speaker 8 (49:12):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Amazing people like Laura Bailey and Travis Willingham do that
crap all the time?
Speaker 1 (49:21):
You know anymore?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
But how do you like how I dropt? Name dropped
my favorite critical role couple. There's sweet also critical role
couple who have played Superman and Lewis lane On on
a DC animated movie. So you can hashtag that.
Speaker 8 (49:42):
After Let's go.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
So I guess my final thought is to keep it
focused on author and Lucy herself is that I'm glad
that I know about her, and I think more people should.
I think really, everything goes away if we stop linking
at the things that you divide us and start looking
at the things that unite us. And one of those
(50:08):
things is the human experience. We all have it, we
all go through with it. And if we just look
at people from the human experience, all this stupid yeah, immigration, eh,
black people, and it all goes away, Yes, it all
goes away.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
In life are gonna have differences, and everyone in life
are going to disagree.
Speaker 8 (50:29):
That is one thing.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
The way you show your state and show your country
and show wherever you live is completely different than treating
other human beings like absolute garbage.
Speaker 8 (50:47):
Excuse my French.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Now you've gotta bleep. Arthur made it almost the whole
episode without any Arthur bleeps.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
And now, well, according to Kobe, that's what you're known for.
Speaker 8 (50:58):
Cord and a copy everything.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Every other thing is going to be. According to Koby,
that's gonna be your get off my lawnline.
Speaker 7 (51:08):
That's n no.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
In that way, I'm gonna be old school. I don't
know where you guys will be, but I will be
sitting on a porch with your uncle Danny somewhere and
we'll be talking about things we've never done, and when
someone gets on the lawn, we'll both not off our.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
Lord, I believe that about you.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
That's the plan.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
That's our show.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yes, that's our show. Thanks for listening, Thanks for keeping
us in the good pods. Top one hundred. How did
i end you at the wrong spot?
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Wait? What?
Speaker 1 (51:44):
Oh? I'm sorry, Well no, I don't remember.
Speaker 8 (51:46):
Now it's fine.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I'm sorry, Arthur. I did not know I had interrupted you.
Next time, please get my attention. I try very hard
not to interrupt either of you because it is a show.
Note I get fairly often is that I'm too controlling
your control because I step on your lines or whatnot.
Speaker 8 (52:09):
You dipped flank.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
I love you, baby, I try not to.
Speaker 8 (52:14):
I know you, you're Finn.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
It's all of your years of experience and we're newbies. Also,
I'm used to talking over everybody, so it's you kind
of have to talk.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Over me to shut me out anyway, So I am sorry, Arthur.
I did not mean to talk over Thanks for keeping
us in the Good POD's Top one hundred. I might
have already said that, but I've lost my place, so
some things get repeated. Thanks for being members of the
fan hashtag Let's Learn Something. Let's make that go global.
(52:46):
That's sort of our motto here, Let's learn something. Thanks
to Blue, Lexi, Laura, and Arthur.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Special thanks to Lexi for being our guest tonight.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yes Yes. Thanks to Bill Barrant Page of Reverie True
Crime podcast and Aaron Gnerk of The Big Dumb Fund Show.
Bill Barrant that last name is called the e h
R E n DT. He's the guy that does our
theme music. If you need music for a project or
someone to perform at an event, Bill's your guy. Bill
Barrant at SBC global dot net. Page Elmore is the
(53:22):
host of the Reverie Crimes Very Very Brilliant show, also
a big Canva addict, which she has combined with her
own Arthur's artwork to do some logo art for us.
Speaker 8 (53:33):
Thank you, Paige, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Thanks to Aaron Gnerk of The Big Dumb Fund Show
who continues to promote us locally. Join us next week
as we cover a local story looking into the story
of Sands Hopkins. And that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
You said, Sands Sand did this?
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Sands Sands Hopkins SA, DS Hands. That's his name.
Speaker 8 (54:03):
Name by
Speaker 1 (54:51):
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