Episode 261 - The Cash-Landrum UFO Incident - UAPs and a Medical Mystery

This episode is so chock full of content, you might accidentally learn something in the first ten minutes.  In Arthur's Corner, among other things, he talks about a recent visit to Children's Mercy Hospital and Dean brings up Josh Gates as Arthur talks his 'hear me out's.  We discuss Horrifying History and the fact they posted a snippet of one of Laura's stories,and we talk Octoberpod and of course we discuss the Cash-Landrum UFO Incident.  Often called one of the 'Big 3' UFO experiences (along with Roswell and Rendlesham) we discuss what they saw and the way it affected them all long afterwards in this out-of-this-world episode of the Family Plot Podcast!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm Dean, I'm the Dad.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm Laura, I'm the mom, and I'm Arthur. I'm the Sun.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
And together we are family plot.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Plus one plus one plus one. We don't have a
guest this week, we do.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Have a cat.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm right as well. Apollo is hanging out in the
recordings area again this week with us sleeping on him.
Arthur this week, yay Apollo. Uh, get the housekeeping out
of the way.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Ye and first I must pack my cat on the butt.
All right, here we go, let's talk at the housekeeping.
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Speaker 1 (02:35):
So what are we talking about tonight? Well, tonight, we're
hopping in our little time machine. We're hopping into the
elevator off and we're going back to the night of
December twenty ninth, nineteen eighty three civilians Betty Cash, Vicky
land Landrum, and young Colby Landrum. We're driving near Huffman, Texas.

(02:59):
I hope one wasn't driving. I always hate that.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, we really shouldn't let small children drive.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
When they encountered a hovering diamond shaped object emitting flames
and intense heat as they watched and shocked, the craft
slowly ascended and was suddenly flanked by a squadron of
twenty three military helicopters. Afterwards, all three suffered severe medical

(03:26):
symptoms blisters, nausea, vision problems, get comfortable, apolosh, and hair
loss that resembled radiation exposure. The event triggered lawsuits, military denials,
and decades of speculation. Was it a secret government craft
gone rogue? An alien vehicle briefly touching down? We'll try

(03:49):
to find out in this way way out episode of
the Family Plot podcast, What I did there? Did you see? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Way way out here.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
It was time to get back to the show.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
In the quiet stretches of southeastern Texas, where the pine
woods taper into the winding roads and night falls with
an eerie hush, lies the unincorporated community of Huffman, It's
a place that feels suspended between centuries, a settlement dating
back to eighteen thirty nine, founded by a veteran of
the Texas Revolution, named David Huffman, a town of age

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oaks and slow moving creeks.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
That was very lyrical. By the way, though, so I
appreciate how you wrote that. That may have been from
there welcome sign or whatever, but I liked it.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
You did good or as they probably say in the area,
slow moving creeks, maybe because that's how you say it
in certain parts of the country. I grew up with
a crick in my backyard.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, well, Crooks is more of a Midwest thing, I think,
not really, not really Texas, but I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Grew with the arrival of the railroad and later with
the arrival of an oil pumping station. It is Texas
after all. Located just twenty five miles northeast of Houston,
Huffman is rural but not forgotten. Lake Houston borders the
town to the south. It's dark waters, fed by quiet inlets,
and rimmed by homes that have stood through generations of storm,

(05:32):
heat and silence. In the nineteen eighty census, Huffman, Texas
reported a population of around fifty people.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
So big, booming metropolis.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah. One of the outstanding objects in the town is
the Huffman Heritage live oak tree a three hundred and
forty seven year old oak tree recognized for its historical significance.
It's also home to a sixty nine acre park filled
with sports fields and walking trails, named it May Park found.

(06:05):
I feel like it almost became named the ip Freely Park,
but I could be runged out here. The stars look closer,
and on one strange night in December nineteen eighty, something
might have descended from them. Locals speak in hush tones
of that event, a craft unlike anything they've ever seen,
hovering over the road, glowing with an impossible heat. But

(06:29):
perhaps what un settled them more was not the object itself,
but what came next. Twenty three military helicopters that filled
the air, and yet Huckman has no military base. Though
Huckman lacks its own installation, the woods are ringed by
military infrastructure, including the Ellington Field Joint Reserve Base, which

(06:50):
lies about thirty miles south of Houston, which it's a
hub for the Air, National Guard, Army Reserve and Coast Guard.
Just twenty five west, the North Houston Army Reserve sunder
hums with quiet activity, troops rotating in and out, equipment
stored away closer still is Kingwood's Texas Army National Guard facility,

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barely fifteen miles from Huffman. Recruiting and training happen here,
but helicopters are no stranger to its airspace, and even
the US Marine Corps recruiting station in Humble, just ten
miles out, adds a wrinkle to the region's military footprint.
It's not a lodge point, but it's a presence. Fort Hood,

(07:34):
located one hundred and seventy five miles away, is a
military base known for testing weapons and aircraft, and home
to the C forty seven Chinook helicopters, which were the
kind scene in nineteen eighty. So that's where this story
is takes place.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, before we head to Arthur's corner.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Arthur, I know Bobby by me. I'm upsetting years your
your snooze, Guilbert, see this idiot. He hates me.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Happy happy Kitty.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
He hates me so much, Kitty. I don't think he is.
I think this is hatred. Kay, he's drooling on you.
That's hatred.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's non hatred. There's love, what wet?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Love?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Love does not come with drool?

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yes it does. Haven't you ever met sweet babies? Sweet
babies drool on everything, and they are nothing but love.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Lexi did kind of drool a lot.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
All over everything, all the.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Things, and if she couldn't drool on it directly, she
shoved it in her mouth to drool on it that way.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, sweet babies are nothing but drool. Sweet kitties drool.
It's so the same, aie, It's all right. They forgive
you this time.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, just this one.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Maybe next time too.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
We'll talk about it. So your baby sister goes to
school on Monday.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Oh yes, so everyone's gonna be gone.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
Here ye here ye, allow me to present Arthur's Corner the.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Apple juice or cream soda Apple. Okay, I believe there's
also cream soda. There's two bottle a little bits. You're welcome.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Don't open the dream soos and you know me and
my apple, why purchased some for you?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Guess who what? It's time to go to Arthur's Corner.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Finally we just.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know, the anticipation of it just makes it better.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Weluse, it was your cat who scratched up my back,
So it was your cat who scratched up his back.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It was you who tried to get him to move,
and he did not want to.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
So it was your cat who scratched up his back
so freak.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You were loving on him. He was fine with that.
He did not want to move. He was comfortable and happy.
He did not know why you were so mean to you.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
I am not mean to that cat.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
You made him move and broke his little fuzzy heart.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
He will live. He's a spoiled brat, not my cat.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yes, your cat, you tell him, buddy, you say, I
not boiled as he drools on me some more.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
So, how are you the sweek?

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Arthur?

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay, Wow, that doesn't sound exciting at all. Yeah, that
sounds kind of like you're down. Okay, let's try that again.
How are you today?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Arthur? I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
What the heck happened to you?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Womp?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Womp?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
What's a wop?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I have no idea something?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
The kids said? What did you say?

Speaker 7 (11:23):
Womp? Womb?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
I have no idea something? The kids say?

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Usually they say it because they don't care that you're
sad or upset?

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Oh is that what it means? Mm hmm wya?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
So how are you? How is your corner? I'm fabulous?
I actually finished novella today now I still need to
do do an editing pass on it, but the writing
part of it, well, the initial writing part of it
is done. Part of the editing I will almost always
go through and go ooh, this would be better that

(12:01):
and add something or take something away. It's just the
editing process.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I had a short story that was an excerpt from
a larger work that was posted to Horrifying Histories Patreon
bulletin board message board today but so far, and I
was super excited and shared it on Facebook and.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yep, you even used your author name.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I did me and James. That's weird, which is in
definance to my two best friends who have passed and
my brother this past no Ah, Paulo has Polo and
him poor none trying to decide. Don't know, is it

(13:02):
gonna stop? Itging me? I'm not jerk, Okay, anyways, back
to the corner. I don't know why. I'm just me,
but I'm just met today. You're met today today? Anything
exciting going on?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
It didn't Dandy's World releasing or didn't they release a
new skin for some character and some have some big
update thing.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
They had a big update on Friday. Yeah, they've got
a big update on Friday. That was fun. By the way,
it was a fun update update. Fun. There you go.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
A new character came out, okay, and there's another lethal
which if you're if you're a video game nerd, don't
know this, but lethals mean they can kill you one hit.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
In my day, we used to call those opee.

Speaker 8 (14:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's a that's they're.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Kind of still lowpie. Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
The new character who came out Dial, they're kind of fine.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I'm not gonna have anyone hear.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Me out on this, but they're twisted. For they're twisted
form is like has like a snake body, like a
black snake body with like spines, and he's got like claws.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
I see, he's really cool looking.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
He's if anyone I've ever asked me, what's you hear
me out dial from Danny's room, He's a clock.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
He's a clock, but he's hot.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Okay, all right, anyways, I've been joking about that all week.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's that's that's great. That's great. I know I I
can't say anything that my own hear me out. I
guess that's what we're calling them now. That's that's good
to know.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Actually, you hear me out there like characters that people
don't usually find attractive, but you find attractive.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I get it, I do. That's that's a good way
to phrase that. I like that a lot. Actually, that's.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
That will go.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
That would go a long way on Lake Smutt too,
I feel like because there are always those red flags.
But you're like, but wait, hear me out.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Hear me out, hear me out. Josh Gates is awesome.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Man crash. Okay, I know, I don't know that I
find them attractive, but kind of the attitude, I guess
I can see. He's he's like a watch.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Arthur, you're about to You're about to
get a friend again.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
No, no, nope, he's gonna curl up on your shoulder,
between your shoulder and the back of the chair. That
is that, that is what's gonna happen. He is not
touching me again until tomorrow when I pat him. Okay,
let's see.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
What have I been doing recently. I've been watching a
lot of poor stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Born stuff worn poor Okay, Okay, that's much better.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Scary. Arthur's too young first MutS. Okay, officially, Arthur's too
young first MutS.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yes, officially, let's see you want to go ghost hunter.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Ye, don't tell your father. That will end up in
some dilapidated I don't want to go ghost counting. Okay,
like a great father son bonding trip to me, we
should go.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Okay, well, now it's a Patreon thing. You have to
come along.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Somebody's going to stay home with a small child.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Blue Blue Blue is to be here. Okay, Well, small
child can visit Grandma or or Cheryl or or or.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Or someone else. We yeah, if Carla see, well we'll
discuss it. We will discuss this.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Cheryl and Darren like that baby they do.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I think we would have to have some like interest,
like I feel like we need at least I don't know,
like maybe twenty new Patreon subscribers at the three dollars
level for us to go. Gos tunny. What we're putting right,
we're putting your hobby behind a pay well.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
You see, we don't have to go very far the
Union cemetery. We can take to get to by bus.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
That's not fair, Yes, it is, Okay, it's hobby. Come on,
we don't have to go at night. We can go
during the day.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
I guarantee you you'll see some things you'll get something,
you'll get some some some voices on an EVP.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
We'll see, we'll talk about it. We'll be a discussion.
We'll be in discussion about this.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
I think my my, my hobby is going to be
put behind a paywall.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
You said I'd be Patreon, you said I did.

Speaker 9 (18:49):
Well, no, no, you're right, he said that. But but
twenty members come on? But yeah, no, I I they should.
We should have three dollar members that get to see it.
But we don't have to do it at night.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
We we don't even have to take anything more than
our phones. We'll have plenty of equipment. And like I said,
the the Union Cemetery is a spooky place. Union would.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit of a medium.
So let's see.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
You see dead people?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yes, I see dead people.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
That comes from a movie eight Legged Freaks, good Giant
Spider movie. It's also got some decent comedy in it.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
You good, Yeah, good. All of a sudden, Arthur's and
why mm hmmm, hey, and now he's.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Starting three days ago was me and my partner's ten
month mark.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yah, congrats Arthur, Holy Biscuits, Rock and n' rolling.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I'm just glad you two are happy, and that I
don't hear a lot of arguing between you.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
No, we don't argue.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
We talked about dumb stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
I have.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
I have heard enough of you arguing with your past
partners partners to say, I'm happy to hear you not
arguing with one. I like it when my artur is happy.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
I am happy. I am very, very joyous. I went
to the doctor's office.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yes, and I went with you.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
You know, oh, yes, sell sure, feel free? True?

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Why did you look at me when you because you're there?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Batories Okay, number one, We're gonna start off with that,
because he's here. He's here to listen.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So we get into we we get into.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
The doctor's office, and I go to a place that's
specifically meant for kids.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yes, a local children's hospital name Children's Mercy. Yes.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
And they're their mascot or their or their little piece
that they have up for it is like a parent
holding a child and like an embrace or something, yes.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Like like a parent hugging their child to their site
kind of thing that like stick figures. Yes. So it's
easily recognizable. Anyone can google Children's Mercy Hospital of Kansas
City and be able to see what that looks like, right.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
And we go into the doctor's office. We called in
my My dad's sitting there as as I'm going through
with my checkup, and he talks.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
To the nurse.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
He's just like, why do you have a parent holding
a kid in a headlock?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
When I say, I give this man the look the
look I was, I was like, dad, parents embarrassing their child.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
There's there's no way you just said that to the
people who worked in this place.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
But he did, because that's what he did. He did.
I feel like our listeners probably won't be surprised by theirs.
They've known him for years and known that this is
just the kind of thing that but this is something
that he honestly says in public. But there's no filter,
no no filter.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
And this man says he is an autistic but there's
no filter, So so I.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I okay, Then no filter comes from twenty years of
doing stand up. I was not like that before I
started telling jokes on stage.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
So he told the nurse that their logo for the
hospital looks like a parent putting a child in a
headlock exactly, and the nurse, oh gosh, the nurse.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
The nurse told the doctor, and my dad tried to
tell the joke again to the doctor and the doctor
just the doctor was just like, oh yeah, the nurse
told me about that. I can't I can see where
you can get that.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
And it's just like, okay, okay, I'm still waiting for
Family Services to come knock at the door.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well it could be the first time, but hey, they're
the ones who have a logo of a person having
a child in their headlock.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
It's not right.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
So this is what we live with on daily Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's that's that's what we live with.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
And then the second part.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I went to go get my blood drawn because if
you don't know, I have issues with my thyroid, just
like my mom and probably her mom, and probably.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
A long argument, I was, okay, but my sisters it's
bad also, So there's that anyway, but just just a
line of people in my family have thyroids when I
have hashi motives.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, thyral problems. Hashimotives is the name sounds like a
dragon thing, so I think it's.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Cool as heck, but you know, my it doesn't like it,
obviously obviously, and.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
They had to get my blood drawn to check my levels. Now.

Speaker 10 (25:13):
The lady who was drawing my blood, she was very nice,
but dear god, I sat there in that chair holding
my arm out.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
There was a clear vein. There had been a clear
vein that whole morning that was just sitting there. I
was just like, Hey, this is probably gonna be the
one that they're gonna draw from because it's a clear
vein and it's like wirds.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
What she did was she was going for the artery
because that's where they liked to stick you.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
And I know then, and that's fine, that is lovely.
In fact, if they would have just been like, Okay,
we're gonna try to stab you in the artery because
usually that's where we stick you.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
But usually if you don't see the artery and it
won't pop up after you've like flicked it a few times,
which she didn't.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Even try to do.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
But if it doesn't pop up after you've a flicted
a few times and b put it under like the
band thing that they like to tie around your arm
to get your blood float on it, yes, turnique once
you put it. Once they put the tourniquet on your
arm and you flicked it. She didn't even flick it. Nope, nope.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
What she did was she stuck the needle in my
arm and she hoped for the best. I wouldn't tell you.

Speaker 11 (26:43):
I was sitting there looking at the needle as she
did a one eighty scope on my inner arm.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'm like, ma'am, ma'am.

Speaker 11 (26:57):
And she pulls it out, puts, looks at it for
a second, watches it bleed, and she's just like, oh,
you're gonna bleed for me now. And I'm just like, wow,
what did you expect after pulling a one eighty scope
with a needle in my arm?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, she wasn't getting a blood return on her stick.
So she was being sarcastic because when she pulled the
needle out, then there was no I know, no I know.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
And then she has the audacity to use the vein
that was.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
There the whole time on the same arm, on the
same arm, to roh my blood. Why she didn't just
take the needle out and try again instead of digging
in your arm for an interminable amount of time.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
When she was there for like thirty seconds swishing the
needle around in my arm, it felt weird and blad.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Like I said, she was a nice woman. She was
doing her job. I appreciate it, but no, it's just
to say Arthur did not have a good experience of
the phototomy lab that.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Day well, and the thing he said was like, I
get you having to restick me, and if you do,
just restick me, I would much rather have that than
you dig in the meat of my arm.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Egstly and Grace, why don't I just take you? That's
one my rule, I tell them when I first sat
down there. You're look, I've got one rule. You can
stick me two hundred and maybe seven times, but do
not dig in my arm. If you stick and you miss,
pull it up and stick me again. I would rather

(28:43):
the poke than the dick. The dig build like awful.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Why yes we can, Kurt. We we had a time.
And it's not my fault that the logo looks like that.
They have the kid in the headline.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Headline anyway, moving on again again, get back into that.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
That is not my fault.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Drop it, drop drop, drop it like it's hot.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Shota Khan, Shota Khan, shot shock a Khan.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Anyways.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
That's that's there. There's there's my partner. Guys.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
It's time to get back to the show.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
PLO is awake?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Hello is awake? For a minute?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yes, well, there was too much noise and he's he's offended.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Now that we've got that way, would you like to
take this next section?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Force?

Speaker 3 (30:01):
What are Hoffman? Texas? Is a quiet, quiet place, nestled
in the woods, not far from Houston. It's the kind
of town where you can hear frogs croaking at night
and see stars stretch out above the tree tops. See
when you don't hear the frogs creaking at night or

(30:22):
croaking at night? Oh yeah, let me step on my
frog floor. Make sure it doesn't creak. Oh your floor
is creak mine crow. When you don't hear the frogs run,
that's all I gotta say.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
That's generally true. When it gets quiet, that's when it's.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Staring, right, Yeah, when it gets quiet night.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Maybe all noise is good. Silence is back silences.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
You know where we had great visions of the sky
and you wouldn't think, but it's true, Uh, Newman, because.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
It's in the middle of where there's not a lot
of big lights, even though you're in a little it
because it's a little town, you're surrounded by farmland. Yeah, yeah,
We did have really good night skies.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
In new and not quite as good as Newman, but.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, but still not a not close to many big cities.
The next big city was Fresno, and that was ninety
minutes away. So the little towns that you had around there,
even with the street lights and stuff, it didn't block
out the stars. You're right, absolutely, Central Valley of California

(31:34):
is a good place to get night visions.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
And here Frogs Creek and and here Farks Creek.

Speaker 7 (31:41):
Still, but every now and then someone will look up
and see something that doesn't belong there, something that can't.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Easily be explained. One chilly night in February twenty nineteen
that was a year was cruising down a country road
when they spotted a large saucer shaped object in the sky.
It wasn't flying fast. Instead, it drifted drifted along slowly, silently,

(32:14):
as if it were watching. The object had blinking lights,
and the driver swore it was way too big to
be a drone. He pulled over to get a better look,
but the thing kept moving, almost like it was following
his car. A few years earlier, in March twenty fifteen,

(32:37):
folks in the area saw another strange light. It started
with a bright light hovering above the woods, then splitting
into smooth two smaller orbs. The lights zipped across the
sky in a pattern in patterns no plane or helicopter
could make. Some people said it might be aliens. Other

(32:58):
pointed out others pointed to the others pointed to the
not too distant fort Hood. While Huffman hasn't had a
big UFO flap, a flap is a burst of sightings
in a short time, it's close to places that have.

(33:22):
Dayton and Houston have dozens of sightings over the years,
glowing shapes, fast flying crafts with no sound, and strange
lights that vanish without a trace. People keep asking questions,
but the answers are few. Some wonder if Huffman is
a hotspot. It's quiet out there, with lots of open

(33:45):
space and not much light pollution that makes it easier
to spot things high in the sky. Also, it's also
not far from old military bases and airfields, which adds
to the mystery. Could some of these sightings be secret
government aircraft or something else going on? No one's short

(34:10):
but in Huffman, when the moon is high and the
night is clear, folks still look up and sometimes they
see things that make them wonder.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Now this part, this part reminds me of.

Speaker 8 (34:27):
Like some things I've been seeing and reading about, not
about this in particular, kind of off topic, but.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Like a lot of people think they still see, like
pterodactyl sightings.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah the dinosaur.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah yeah. In fact, purportedly, the Arizona Times was had
a picture way back in the eighteen hundreds of some
cowboys around a Trana dot. But I mean, photography wasn't

(35:07):
great back then. He could have easily been faked, but.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
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Speaker 2 (36:58):
So now let's meet our experiencers. That's quite the word.
These are the folks who will see and report a
UFO siding that basically kicks off everything. Betty Cash was
a fifty one year old businesswoman who owned both a
roadside restaurant and a small grocery store. She was known

(37:22):
locally as hardworking and independent. She had previously been married
twice and had children, though none were present during the incident.
There's no indication she had any history of unusual experiences
or interest in UFOs before that night. Vicky Landrum, aged

(37:46):
fifty seven at the time, worked part time for Betty
at the restaurant and also occasionally as a school cafeteria assistant.
She was a devout born again Christian and her worldview
was deeply shaped by her faith. In fact, during the encounter,
she reportedly and it interpreted the glowing object as the

(38:12):
second Coming of Christ, telling her grandson that's Jesus, he
will not hurt us. Like Betty, Vicky had no known
prior involvement with UFO or paranormal topics. Vicky, it seems,
was raising Colby because his mother was out of the picture.
Colby Landrum, Vicki's grandson, was just seven years old at

(38:35):
the time. He lived with his grandmother and was described
as a typical child, curious, energic, and close to his
grandmother Vicki. He was the first to spot the strange
light in the sky that night. There's little public information
about his life before this incident, but afterward he reportedly

(38:57):
suffered physical symptoms similar to the ult and was deeply
affected by the experience. None of the three had any
public reputation for making extraordinary claims before this event. Their
backgrounds helped lend credibility to their story, especially since they
pursued legal action and medical care rather than media attention.

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Speaker 1 (40:01):
So let's talk about the encounter. December twenty ninth, nineteen
eighty It was just after nine pm when Betty Cash,
Vicky Landrum, and seven year old Colby Landrum were driving
home through the Piney Woods near Huffman, Texas, in Betty's
Oldsmobile cutlass. My dad had one of those once upon

(40:24):
a time, might.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Now now have one and pound an Oldsmobile cutlass as well.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
The road was narrow, winding and surrounded by dense forests
as they traveled south bound on and I'm guessing this
is the name of the highway FM one four eighty
five slash twenty one hundred.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
That's a strange highway name. But it sounds like a
highway name.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Well, it sounds like what we call routes here in Missouri.
Like the highways are I thirty five and I twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I twenty nine and I thirty five are interstates, not
Tune ninety one is a highway, forty is a highway.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
But I've always I've always called you the called those routes.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
That's your issue. That's not the name of it. That's
the reason. The eye is in the name because it
stands for interesting. I'm surprised you don't know that.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Hey, it's my world, y'all just live in it. Whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I hope you sleep at night. Baby.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Anyway, they're driving along this highway, which should have a
better name. Uh. They noticed a bright light above the trees.
At first, they assumed it was an airplane heading towards
Houston Intercontinental Airport, but the light grew larger and brighter
Unlike myself. Suddenly, a massive diamond shaped object descended to

(41:58):
the tree top level, block out the road ahead. It
emitted intense heat and flames from its base, and its
surface glowed with a dull, metallic silver sheen. Blue lights
ringed its center, and every few moments flames shot downward
in a cone, causing the craft to rise and fall slightly. Vicky,

(42:22):
a devout Christian, interpreted this sign as sight is divine,
telling Colby that's Jesus. He will not hurt us. Strange.
I don't remember Jesus being mentioned as fire in any
of the books of the Bible.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
I mean God appeared to Moses with burning bush.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
So yes, actually, and Moses and God and God. While
Jesus is part of the Trinity, he's not God.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
But.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
A lot of people refer to him. Still. I feel
like if she is someone who doesn't believe in life
off of this planet and is devoutly intended to her
religion and does believe in God, it would make sense
that if she sees something bright coming from the sky
that she would identify it as the Divinity, which makes

(43:22):
total sense her religion. I think it's there, saying fair enough,
I don't understand. I'm not religious.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Betty mesmerized, Oh that's bad, stepped out of the car
to get a closer look. Vicky quickly returned to the
car to comfort the terrified Colby. Betty remained outside for
several minutes, shielding her face with her coat from the heat.
When she finally returned to the car, the middle door
handle was so hot she had to use her coat

(43:51):
to open it. The dashboard inside the car had softened
from the heat. Vicky's hand left an imprint in the
vinyl that reportedly remained visible for two weeks. Then came
the roar of the rotor blades. Twenty three military helicopters
later identified as H forty seven Chinooks swarmed the sky,

(44:13):
surrounding the craft as it ascended and disappeared over the
tree tops. The entire encounter lasted about twenty minutes. That night,
all three began to feel ill. The symptoms were most
severe for Betty, who had spent the longest time outside
the vehicle. Later that night, Colby woke Vicki claiming he

(44:35):
was sick. She found he had a fever and had
thrown up in his bed. She cleaned him and the
bed up the way mothers do, had him shower and
changed clothes, gave him some aspirin, and put him back
to bed. In the morning, Vicki felt sick herself. Vicky
and Colby both reported symptoms including nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, burning eyes,

(44:58):
and a sensation of bea sunburn. Concerned, Vicky visited Betty
and found her reporting the same symptoms, but much more severe.
Over the next several days, Betty's condition worsened dramatically. She
developed large, painful blisters, lost clumps of hair, and became
so weak she could not walk. On January third, nineteen

(45:21):
eighty one, she was admitted to a Houston hospital. Doctors
initially treated her for burns, then switched to radiation sickness
protocols after observing her symptoms. She remained hospitalized for twelve days,
was released, and then returned for another fifteen days stay. Vicky,
on the other hand, developed skin sores, hair loss, and

(45:44):
later a cataract in one eye, while Colby experienced photosensitivity
and weakness, though his symptoms were milder. In nineteen ninety one,
Betty's physician, doctor Brian McClelland, described her condition as a
quote unquote textbook case of radiation poisoning, comparable to being

(46:07):
three to five miles from the epicenter of Hiroshima. Wow,
so that a lot, yeah, and you with those bombs
names were I like to point out at this point
fat man and little boy. Thanks, and Laura loves to
hear those.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I find those names disrespectful to people of different sizes.
And that's my stance on that. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Anyway. While the symptoms resembled ionizing radiation exposure, skeptics like
Brad Sparks argued that the rapid ontet would have required
a lethal dose, yet all three survived for years. He
suggested chemical contamination, possibly from an aerosol, as a more

(46:58):
plausible cause. Very Posner, in his analysis of Betty's medical records,
Well there we go, noted inconsistencies. Her attending position initially
observed a little if any hair loss, and her diagnosis
included cellulitis, not radiation burds. Sorry, cellulitis. That the medical

(47:24):
professional is correcting me.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
So I'm not a medical professional. That's just how it's pronounced.
It's just kind of common knowledge. No, I've just had
it twice, so it's an infection in the skin cells.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
It's weird. I've had it twice.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Well, there you go, But you didn't get it from me. Yeah,
it's just actually no, I've had it won twice. But anyway,
all right, all right, well now that Dean hasn't all
of that information to us. Let's take another break and

(48:03):
hear from our sponsors.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Where's our sponsor girl, where's our sponsored girl? Where's she?
She's not in here?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Nope, I think she might be an our room.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
It's time to get back to the show.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Hang it out, can babies.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Now she's letting us down.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Well, you're buying books. You buying books. You send them
to school? What do they do? They eat the teacher.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
We're sorry teachers. After months of deteriorating health and no
official acknowledgment, Betty Cash and Vicky Landrum filled a filled
filed a twenty million dollars lawsuit against the US government.

(49:03):
And remember this was in nineteen eighty two, so twenty
million went a lot farther back then than it does now.
Their claim the injuries they sustained were caused by a
military operated craft, possibly nuclear powered, and the twenty three

(49:24):
ch Chanogh forty seven Chinook helicopters seeing during the encounter
were evidence of government government involvement. The initial complaint was
filed with the Judge Advocate Claim's Office at Bergstrom Air
Force Base, following advice from Senators Lloyd Benson and John

(49:51):
Tower attorney Peter Gerston took the case pro bono, framing
it as a civil rights and personal injury claim. While
the Department of Defense denied any knowledge of the craft
or helicopters, no military branch admitted to operating aircraft in

(50:14):
the area that night. In nineteen eighty six, the case
was thrown out by a US District Court judge due
to lack of evidence linking the craft or helicopters to
the government. Despite the dismissal, the case remains one of
the few UFO related incidents to reach federal court, underscoring

(50:40):
the witness's determination on the seriousness of their claims. Betty
Cash's medical symptoms continued to pile up. She was treated
for breast cancer in nineteen eighty three with no prior history,
and would be hospitalized over twenty five times for blood

(51:00):
disorders and vision problems. The case is one of the
few u and related cases that has been tried in
a court of law and has substantial medical documentation. While
they did give interviews, it was always two press or

(51:22):
documentary filmmakers who sought them out. None of them engaged
in press tours or junkets, and in fact kept most
of their lives private. Corey Landrum is the only one
still living today and does not speak about the subject
on his own, though he has been interviewed for various things,

(51:43):
including an appearance last year on The Joe Ancient Aliens.
And now we have another word from our sponsors. Who
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I do this cat better.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
He feels supported and he's working on feeling clean.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Which if you smell his brats, you wonder why he
does that.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Fathers, Yeah, I did not ask for this. No, he
altoids really should be a thing.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
No, he he did that all on his own. Arthur, Yeah,
I saw it.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I watched it with my own eyes.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
He decided you were more comfortable than me.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Firmly, he's probably.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah, he's got a very soft prey. I've never heard it.
You feel it, yes, if.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
You rub his neck you'll feel it. He's got a
little fire.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Oh, he hates that, Arthur, you need to stop right away.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
So by Arthur, I'm sorry, buddy, Okay.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Betty, Vicky and Colby said they saw a glowing diamond
shaped object in the sky. It hovered over the road,
blasted heat, and was followed by helicopters. Afterward, they got sick,
Betty the worst, and believed it was all caused by
some by the strange flying thing. But not everyone agreed.

(54:00):
Some experts thought it was all a mistake. They might
have seen a military aircraft. One investigator said the flames
and shape could have been from jet engines or heat
from fuel. Others looked at Betty's health problems and weren't

(54:23):
convinced they came from radiation. She had a disease called alopecia.
A doctor said, it makes your hair fall out, not
cause something caused by radiation. There were no burns, no
left or over radiation on the car. Nothing even the
idea of twenty three helicopters flying nearby seamed off. No

(54:47):
militaritary base reported anything strange that night. We checked flight logs.
A skeptical researcher explained, there's no proof they were even there.
Some skeptics also wondered if the story changed over time.
At first, the details were fuzzy. Later things sounded more dramatic.

(55:10):
It's easy to remember things differently, especially after hearing what
others said. One psychologist pointed out, still not all the
questions were answered. Witnesses were The witnesses were scared, and
their symptoms were real, whether it was something from the
sky or something more ordinary. People still wonder what really

(55:35):
happened on the dark Texas Road. Every time I hear
Texas and the Road together, I think of Texas Roadhouse.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I could go for some Texas Red Junes. And now
a final word from our sponsors. We apologize, but got
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Speaker 4 (56:09):
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Speaker 1 (56:12):
In nineteen eighty five, I Feel sponsored by the Way.
In nineteen eighty five, HBO aired UFOs What's going On?
What's going On? Showing photos of Betty's hair loss and
the melted dashboard. It was one of the first time
viewers saw the physical damage up close. The case appeared

(56:32):
on Unsolved Mysteries, where Betty and Vicki shared their story.
Their voices were calm, but their eyes told a deeper story,
and everyone.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
As old as us right now is hearing the unsolved
mysteries theme in their head?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Sorry go ahead, one of fear and confusion. Later shows
like Sightings and Annis The Unexplained pick up the thread,
adding dramatic re enactment re enactments and expert interviews. Betty's
daughter even revealed that her hospital room had hazardous materials

(57:10):
sign on the door. While no major Hollywood film has
been made about the case, it it's inspired independent documentaries
and YouTube deep dives, like the one from Scary Mysteries
that retells the event, complete with eerie music and visuals.
The stories popped up in podcasts, including podcast UFO or.

(57:32):
Colby Landrum gave a rare interview decades later, sharing how
the event still haunted him. In books, UFO researchers like
John Schussler wrote entire books about the case, calling it
one of the most medically documented UFO encounters ever. Skeptics
and believers alike debated the story in magazines, blogs, and forums.

(57:55):
Some said it was a government experiment gone wrong, others
believed it was some thing not of this earth. In
pop culture, the case became part of the UFO legend,
often mentioned alongside Roswell and Rendellshim. It's often referred to
as one of the Big three UFO cases, which we've

(58:19):
covered both of those. I think I should have done
it for episode references. It's been referenced in TV scripts,
online articles, and even fan fiction where the glowing craft
is reimagined as alien tech or a secret weapon. Today,
the cash Landerm incident remains a mystery. It's a story

(58:39):
of belief and doubt, pain and wonder and whether you
think it was a UFO military test or something else. Entirely,
it's a tale that refuses to fade nice so that
brings us to summary and final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Who gets to start first this week?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I think it's me.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Okay, hit us with it, Vabe.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I've always thought this is an undeniable UFO case. Even
the skeptics can't agree. Oh well, she had alopecia. Oh no,
she had a chemical thing. It was a chemical attack.
That makes much more sense, and I just clearly something happened.

(59:32):
I will accept. The argument is the government was testing
an aircraft and whatever weird thing they had put together
to power it had popped for a minute, and they
didn't want to pay for these people's you know, injuries,
because that would mean admitting the aircraft existed, right, you know,
I'll play take money on that. But something happened that night.

(59:58):
They didn't get all this illness from nothing, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Exactly. So in the what did they do direct They
just went home after this happened, yeah, yeah, and then
started having symptoms and ended up going to the emergency
room slash doctors several days later. They didn't even go
right away, right, right. But to Angeline who's gone through chemo,

(01:00:28):
I think that probably makes sense. If you get radiation exposure,
it takes you don't immediately start getting sick that it
takes a while for it start affecting you, right, Yeah,
I mean there is, desolutely enough, But.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I sadly I watched April go through it, and yeah, no,
she went through several rounds of chemo and she did
lose hair, she did lose weight, she did get to it. Yeah,
but it wasn't amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Right when you get the treatment, even if you're getting
a direct dosage of the treatment, it's still it has
a time frame that it has to work its way
through your system before it starts causing those things. And
even with things like alopecia. Yes, you can lose big
chunks of hair, but it doesn't usually start all at

(01:01:25):
once like that, right, just like suddenly losing a hole,
like it's something that usually has kind of a build up.
I think, yeah, to my understanding, it's something that starts
smaller and builds its way up.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Nobody asked Jada Pinkin her husband might smack you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Well that I wasn't even. No, I'm not even I
don't think that's funny. I didn't think that was funny
when it happened. And if some he is mocking my partner,
I would go punch him in the face too. Sorry,
that's that's real.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I am not old school about a lot of things,
but the people that I love are one of those
things that just are not oh open for mockey, especially
medical issues.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
No, you mess with the people I care about, and
you're just not sore.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
He did that. He laughed, I just know he laughed,
and then she gave him the look and he was like, oh, heck,
I might be in trouble. And remember she's already admitted
she cheated once.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
You to just take hold, Oh no, I'm not having
this argument with you on record.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Have words.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Boy, I'm just gonna stop your right there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Moving on the point is you don't you do not
openly while you're sitting on the oscars, go and slap
a comedian who made a joke, even when you think
is a from courtste a guy you know you've met, you,
you've come across in the industry. You pull him aside

(01:03:30):
and say, never do that again. You wait for him
backstage and you say something to the man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
But I'm not I'm not gonna call him. This is now.
I'm not gonna call it. It's not what we're talking about. Game.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
You're right, it's not. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Okay, let's get back to the show.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Then if it's somewhere in final thoughts, we gotta stay
on track.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Okay, okay, Arthur put his foot down.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I like it very out from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
The dairy bows and speaking.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
So what are you fine with thoughts, Arthur?

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I feel, if I'm being completely honest, I think it
was aliens.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I think so. But I hate being a skeptic on things.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
I hate it, and sometimes I get that you have
to be. But on this I see no reason to
be skeptical about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I mean, sure some people can see as something that
you would be skeptical about. But it just makes sense
to me that aliens would be able to face.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Radiation unlike humans who when they are objectively different body
makeup and ye, when they are objected to radiation, they're
gonna get sick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
But even about it, though, think about well, even if
it's not that the aliens don't get sick from radiation,
this is the output from their craft that these people
are standing underneath. People can't stand underneath the challenger and

(01:05:19):
not get disintegrated. So if you're thinking about the afterburners
or whatever it is that propels this craft putting its
whatever offput from its fuel, there is out into the
area that these people are in. Whether the aliens get

(01:05:40):
sick or not, I think you're still saying that that
absolutely could have it the bare minimum these symptoms and
maybe something even way worse from that distance. Okay, Sorry,
your mom was looking at me like I lost my mind,
and I'm like, did I not make sense that?

Speaker 13 (01:06:03):
And what makes people think that they're always going to
put something like that on record? I mean, what if
the state knows about UFOs and they're just like, whenever
an incident like that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
The state lies about plenty, yes, absolutely, no, government lies
about even more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Yeah yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
So, like, what makes you think they're always going to
tell you the truth? What makes you think that will
always be right? I absolutely don't think they tell the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Well, And that's what makes me think they were testing something.
That's the only thing. My reason for thinking that they
were testing something is I think an alien craft would
have it enough together to not have a fuel source
that eludes like that. I could be wrong, but I think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
It's your wish. We'll thinker right there, that's well, pie
in the sky think.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
No, Okay, here's my reason for thinking. If they have
it together to come across light ears to come see
us and watch us monkeys, they're cool enough to have
it together enough to go, let's build a craft that
I don't know doesn't put out the radiation output you know.

Speaker 14 (01:07:22):
Yeah, but how the aliens understanding of the Earth is
different than their understanding of so the out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Like the outer space.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
And because it might not register to them as a thing,
a creature, whatever, that this will be an output to
the Earth that will make the Earth have a more
negative reaction to it. It might not occur to them

(01:07:55):
because they're not humans. They don't have the same brain
functions as we do. They are similar in the ways
that they could. They're very smart and they know how
to make things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
And how often do we come up with something and
then only fifty years later realize, Oops, that's doing this
bad thing to the environment. Yeah, like Green Girls taken out,
this is the house gases and like.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Well, yeah, the Radium Girls we talked about that episode
ninety something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I want to say, oh yeah, not even been one
ninety nine, but for sure that they didn't know that
it was bad for them. And I mean we've talked
about some of the old tiny cough medicines and things
that had laudanum and open them in it. And now
we know that albeit's are extremely, extremely addictive, and there's

(01:08:59):
you know, national crisises with people suffering from those addictions.
And we're just now in the last twenty years learning
about those things. So it's absolutely possible that even some
other life form from some other place wouldn't know what
kind of what kind of output or chemicals, what effect

(01:09:21):
they would have on a different planet, especially if you
were to live.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
In Do you do you realize how much closer we'd
be to just genetic editing things like like you go
to the doctor and like, oh, you've got some syndrome,
and we know that this gene causes it, and here
now you don't have that syndrome. We edited the gene.

(01:09:50):
Do you know how much closer we'd be to that
if we as a species stopped worrying about who was
sleeping with who?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
That's probably true, absolutely true. I believe it. Yeah, I
believe it. What are you trying to say? Do I
need to be watching you close it? Maybe a little
bit I'm getting by vibes from this god who's sleeping
with who? What? No? I get No, I absolutely get
what you're saying. If we were putting more focus on

(01:10:21):
the importance of sciences and research instead of all of
the trash talking that we do as a human species
has much further. I'm gonna go on a little rent
real quick. All of the excuse my friend French Bold.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
That goes on in this economy, Yeah, is just everybody
fuming about each other because nobody can agree that just
being respectful to each other as a community of people
and finding a way to work things out is It's

(01:11:04):
like in anybody's interest, Like, there's very few people who
has interest in that because they.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Just want gossip, they just want drama.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
So much more would be done as a society if
people stopped around and being just dumb, because, like I
get it, everyone has their own way of living, and
that's great, that's fine. You have your own way of living.
I have my own way of living. Everyone does. But

(01:11:37):
here's the thing, us as people were made to make
things better for us, and we are just tearing each
other down. And if we weren't so worried about who
does what with their bodies or with their life, then

(01:11:57):
we would actually finally get somewhere as a society, absolutely
quit spending all their time trying to judge each other
and maybe lift each other up. Oh I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Yeah, that was kind of my point. But okay, so
hear me out on this. Let me finish right. I
think an alien species would have it together more than
to have an exhaust system that that was that dangerous
to human life. And even if they did have such
a I think they would be smarter than to fly
down to nowhere, Texas, possibly exposing life too. Said system.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Probably I'm probably going to go look at bigger towns
purferently right, So I mean that's definitely fair. I'm not
saying you're theory is wrong. You let Daddy finish.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Hear me out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
I'm hearing you out. I'm having conversation while hearing you out. Okay,
calm your butt down now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
And there's no record of the Chinook helicopters, which were
seen by other people. By the way, other people did
report the helicopters because it was unusual enough to see
that or hear that many of them, but say not,
no one saw the big flying diamond thing they did.

(01:13:20):
The helicopters were reported, so we know they were out.
We absolutely know they were out, but there's no record
of them being out. So who would have the early
knowledge not to report that. Oh, that would be the

(01:13:42):
people doing the damn test. So they're probably testing some
flight system that they didn't have completely together yet, and
the pilots like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Even if it was just some dumb top Gun guys
reenacting top Gun in nineteen eighty, I don't know if
Topka was out in nineteen, but I mean that kind
of very much. Eighteen Colombo kind of thrilled Charlie's Angels,
kind of situation.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Those were seventies, right, Yeah, those were.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Those were seventies, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
But still they were they were in, they were still
part of popular culture at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
It's where I'm going with it that I was trying
to get back far enough. Nineteen eighty that's young then.
I was. I was three. I was three in nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Eight I was twelve, thirteen and nineteen eight so I
was I was little.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
I wassolutely young. I was just a little in there,
so I can't really remember what was then. The whole
eighties is kind of a blur for me. That was
my that was my elementary years mostly. But so I'm
just trying to get back to that.

Speaker 15 (01:14:53):
But those people knew what helicopters looked like because you
were seeing them on all of those shows on the television,
and even out in those little areas they were.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
They had TVs in nineteen eighty for sure, So that's
you know, one of the big big things.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
So yeah, so that's why I think it's it was
something man made, and that's that's why they hit it.
And I think the government could have without admitting anything,
said you know what we had, we we were doing
some helicopter maneuvers in the area. You might have gotten

(01:15:34):
hit accidentally by a new weapon we were testing here.
Here's a million bucks for your trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Well, it was a twenty million dollar suit. But even so,
I would you would think that the American government, if
they had something to hide though, would have just paid
it out to shut it up. But the thing is,
they didn't want to pay any money. Why would they.
It's America.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Remember the Radium Girls. We're going to go back to
that episode one ninety nine or whatever. I don't have
my phone out here, so I can't look it up,
but we're going to go back to that episode one
ninety nine and the Radium Girls. The companies that absolutely
they're scientists, had told them this is dangerous. The girls
shouldn't be doing this, I got you, and they didn't care.

(01:16:24):
In fact, they commissioned a report that said no, none
of that was true.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
No right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
So yeah, anyway, the point is the idea is is
that that's why I think it's it's government, but I
respect the idea that it's definitely UFO. I can see

(01:16:53):
that too. I just think because if the UFO scrambled
chinooks to go after a UFO Oh, you bet they'd
that they they'd been hiding any and all evidence of
UFO activity that they could for years. Sure they amy
even after a while, like Project Blue Book Report.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
You just see where you're going with that, because you
also you would think, well if they if the government
had done it just for a test, then they would
be way more likely to say, oh no, that wasn't

(01:17:34):
us and cover up the evidence in their own books.
Whereas if it was really if it was really aliens
or something that this had happened to them because of
aliens of some kind, then you would think that the
military would have like descended on their like Close Encounters

(01:17:56):
of Close Encounters with the Unknown or whatever, Close Encounters
of the Third Kind is ever the name of that
show movie was, Yes, that's Steven Spielberg movie.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Richard Dreyfuss was amazing
and I love that movie. You haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
You would think that the government would descend on it
like that, like something like that, as opposed to just
ignoring it and then saying nope, what in us?

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Yeah? Yeah, although part of that that that thing is
a cover up that's going on, because the whole reason
they've closed out the area is because of a weaponized
gas escaping, and they had all these dead sheep and horses.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
But even still, but that's what I'm saying. Though I
look at ET for a different, different example, still kind
of in the same time period. ET came out in
eighty two, eighty three, something like that. I want to say,
eighty one maybe yep, a similar kind of scenario, like
the government descends on that and even when something basic happens,

(01:19:07):
we see it in you know, government response to different
then so many drops of bad words and inappropriate lines
on this show. My goodness, you're going to be able
to make a three dollars victory on episode honey. But

(01:19:28):
that's the end of my final thoughts. I could see
both points.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Yeah, I can too. I just you both said you
lean towards aliens, and I respect that. I just leaned
the other way, and I was saying, you know, this
is my I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
I'm glad you explained better because it made it make
more sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Me with your sometimes I have logic, not often.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
I know it doesn't happen often.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
You're right, Oh my god, that cat loves you, he does.
You might be his new favorite person, Arthur. I love you, Arthur,
because he was bunting you. That is what he does
when he loves somebody. He bunts you with your head
like that. That's him going you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Shifter books, I've been reading true that the shifter cats
do that they've butt up against their head. Yeah, it's
a lovely kitty thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
And Arthur, did you give your final thoughts? I thought
he gave them in the middle of mind, but I
just wanted to I don't like to go without because
his wood would technically have gone back, so I if
he had thought of anything else that he wanted to say.
In between our long conversation and my being occasionally inappropriate,

(01:21:05):
I wanted to.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Say that I did see both sides, and I was
never saying that I didn't see both sides. But the
reason I said that I was leaning more towards aliens
is that.

Speaker 16 (01:21:23):
I don't believe humans have the items to make something
that is silent that pushes off that much heat.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
And that much radiation.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I don't believe that humans are smart enough for that,
or we're smart enough for that. I understand that, yes,
that that part does make sense, that they would have
a bunch of things following the craft because of you know,

(01:22:00):
some experiment or something that they made. But even now,
like cars are loud, like planes are loud, back when
this happened, I just I would think that they saw it,
realized that it was out like on on the run,

(01:22:26):
and then tried to not cause a stressful situations for people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
I will say I think that they did have sounded
battened helicopters back then. So there were helicopters that weren't.
But that's and we definitely have them today. But that's helicopter.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
That's not that's helicopter, that's not something like a UFO.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Yeah, and that's that's basically what it looked.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Like for my understanding, right, and you don't, well it
was diamond shaped, and and yeah, you the sound baffled
helicopters are not diamond shaped, and then they.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Weren't testing that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Then why isn't there more diamond shaped like space crafts
and stuff nowadays?

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Yeah, I will say with UFOs, they're almost always reported
if they have if they've reported any shape other than round,
it's a triangle shape. So and this and a diamond
is just a triangle. Well, no, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Kind of like two triangles put together.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, so yeah, it's that's the diamond shape.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Uh So.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
It really could go either way. Yes, that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 17 (01:23:55):
I mean, I just wouldn't know, because I wouldn't think
that they would put a human into a craft like that,
because something.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Like that just seems like it would have radiation on
the inside as well. And I feel like if somebody
was inside of an aircraft and they were just taking
it on a test run, another person would die.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
There would be more to the story. Well, yeah, because
I mean it's something that has as little radiation as
as like an X ray machine. Now, the technicians still
have to be careful because a prolonged exposure can can
can really really hurt them, make them super sick. And

(01:24:47):
that's just the smallest amount that they used for X rays.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Yeah, so I would think that humans and other things
would try to stay far away from that. But then again,
I could also be wrong, and it could also just
be the fact that they were trying to experiment with
something that they had.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Never dealt with before.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
Yeah, And the older I get, the more I begin
to believe that if not Roswell, we recovered it down
to alien craft somewhere, and we just keep trying to
reverse engineer technology. So it makes total sense to me
that you know, they don't know what they're doing. They've
got we can get it off the ground with this,
and yeah, they just don't realize.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Don't realize, they don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Yeah, you know, but like I said, in that case,
you'd think the government would come to them and go, oh, hey,
we were testing new kind of booster fuel for the
Space Shuttle with that area was supposed to be cleared.
We're very sorry it got out of control. Here, here's
a million bucks for your trouble. If they had offered

(01:25:57):
that up at front in the beIN, nobody would ask
you a question, No, no one. And and again this
is a nineteen eighties million. That would be a lot
different than today's. Not that I would sneeze at a
million dollars today. If someone really wants to go to
our you know, buy me a coffee and and give

(01:26:19):
us that that that that would be okay. Yes, I'd
be okay with that five hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
We're not.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Not too proud to beg.

Speaker 18 (01:26:31):
Seventy they're billing given, I'm good, And that's our show,
Thanks for listening, thanks for keeping us in the good
Podstop one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Hey, by the way, my beautiful son, were you finished
with you? That I might have just tried to cut
you off. And I don't mean to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
I don't know that I have anything else to say.
I don't know. It's just it would seem near to
me that the state would try to do something like
that and then never continue it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
After a few people got hurt, because that's how the
state runs. I've realized it's it's kind of a pattern.
The state will hurt a few people, take a couple
of years off to make sure that they're not under fire,

(01:27:29):
and then continue trying to work on what they work on.
And I haven't heard anything else about this since, so
that that just that just would confuse me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
And well, and in this day and age, most UFO's
hidings get dismissed as drones anyway, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
And yeah, did he get you with his tongue? He
got them. He got me with his class.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Wait till you get you with his spit.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
He's got me with his spit multiple times. I don't
care he even if they do that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
What he up?

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Spit it a zero.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
All right, yeah, I love you, buddy, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Let's thank them for being members of the fam Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
For being members of a fan guys.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
And and remember this guy just played a voice in
an upcoming Edward October h extravaganza.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
And shouldn't that be an edxtravaganza.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
See see see in my fantasies. And I told this
to Edward October in my fantasies. Uh, we we get
that million and we buy like a mall that's been
closed in like Canada, because no, we go to Canada.

(01:29:03):
We buy them all and then place for we we
can we we we make a sound a recording studio
in the mall, and then we rent out the parts
of the things that used to be stores to other podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Would cost way more than a cool million.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
No, no, no, you know yeah it would no anyway,
The coin is we we rented out to the other families.
And I told him that we would let we would
let uh Ad October share out, you know, be co
partners with us in our in our brilliant partnership and

(01:29:45):
and podcast studio. And uh he's he said that maybe
we all achieve our dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
That sounds like something he might tell her I heard
that I really liked my voice.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
He did. He was so impressed, he did. He was
not sure you were up to the challenge. You you,
You knocked it out of the park.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Said as as he often does, this time was like
big time.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
Well you're also going to uh your last two years
of high school? You did? We should have covered this
in the corner. Uh, your last or two years of
high school will be a digital experience, or at least
the year next year, because I got you all signed
up for online schooling. Yep, yes, anyways, so yeah. Thanks

(01:30:40):
to Blue Lexi, Laura, and Arper. I love you guys
so much. I look forward to our weekly journeys into learning.
I like learning with you all. Thanks to Bill Page
and Aaron, I will break those people down for you.
Bill is Bill Barrett b E h R E N
d T. He does the theme music. You need music

(01:31:02):
for any purpose. Check out Bill Bill barrind at sbcglobal
dot net. Thanks also go out to Paige Elmore of
the Reverie Crime podcast, who also has a canva addiction,
which he has combined with some of our own Arthur's
brilliant artwork to do some logo Artforce. Thank you Paige,
Thank you Page. Thanks to Aaron Generk of The Big

(01:31:26):
Dumb Fun Show who continues to prom nous locally and
join us next week as we look into the United
States Ghost Army.

Speaker 15 (01:31:35):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
We'll find out next week.

Speaker 19 (01:31:38):
Yay bye.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
What were you going to say? By ghosts?