August 28, 2025 • 67 mins
Man what an episode!! In Arthur's Corner, he discusses his online school and the tragedy of needing a new kitten. Then we dig into the murders in Keddie California. We study the history of the area, what made it popular and what made it begin to fail. We talk about it's engineering marvel, the Keddie Wye. We also look into Glenna 'Sue' Sharp's past, what led to her moving from Massachussetts to California with her five children. We talk about how she moved to Keddie and her murder, the murder of her oldest son and his best friend as well as the kidnapping and murder of her youngest daughter. Then we get into the shoddy investigation, the suspects and so much more in this still unsolved but boy I may have a few ideas about who did it episode of the Family Plot Podcast!
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Speaker 1 (00:45):
Let's try this again. I'm Dean, I'm the dad, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Laura, I'm the mom, and I'm Arthur I'm the son,
and together we are family.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Claude.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
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Put a sticker somewhere.
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gets special episodes featuring things that I don't cut out,
like Arthur's profanity laden rants.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hey, yesterday you would have had to cut out moms
not mine. I didn't cust once net outisode.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It wasn't. But let's let's just let's just say that
it wasn't a profanity laced rant. I dropped one curse word,
one word, even a terrible tembal curse word. It was
just one curseword. I just want to spell that out.
Mom has not been over here right in my body mouth.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm just it, okay and all right, but mom still cussed.
It was not me that cussed yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You're right, it wasn't, and our fans would probably have
been disappointed.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So why because people like when Arthur goes on rants.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, people like that. You're a fire brand. So there's
that now. If you can't not to afford the monthly donation,
which we understand, we got kids, any money we ever
have is suddenly get spoken for because someone needs new
shoes or a new pair of pants, or they have
(03:13):
a science fair tomorrow that they forgot to mention, or.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
What did that happen?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, it was just an example, right, or.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
A field trip they forgot to tell us about. So
we get it. I'm just saying, we definitely get it.
You can always loss people in this house, that is sure, yes,
But one of them is in college, which means they
still need money.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, they get money from their boyfriend. They'll figure that
crap out. That's what being adults all about.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
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If you don't have anything nice to say, don't.
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Say anything at all.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Weird noise goes here.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So what am I thinking about tonight? Dean Well.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
In the spring of nineteen eighty one, this sleepy mountain
town of Keddy, California, became the backdrop for one of
the most chilling unsolved crimes in American history. Inside Cabin
twenty eight, Glenna Sue Sharp, her teenage son John, and
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his friend Dana Wingate were brutally murdered in a scene
so violent it stunned even seasoned investigators would help if
I wasn't looking like sidelong. Yeah, well, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Not moving the computer again, because that's what screwed it up.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yes, saying move it. I was saying I needed to
move my fat head. Yeah, it's Donne seasoned investigators. Sue's
daughter Tina was missing, The crime was savage, the motive unclear,
and despite decades of investigation, no one has ever been charged.
The surviving children, asleep in the house during the attack
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were left with trauma and questions that still echo throughout
the Sierra Nevada Mountains more than forty years later, the
Keddy Cabin murders remain a haunting mystery, a story of violence, silence,
and a community forever changed. In this Unsolved Mystery episode
of the Family Plot podcast.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
All right, well this is going to be interesting. Let's
dig into it. On, give us some more background.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm gonna whistled. In the Sierra Nevada Mountains of northern California,
Kendy began as a railroad town in the early nineteen hundreds.
It was named after Arthur W. Ketty, a visionary surveyor
who helped chart the Western Pacific Railroad's route through the
Feather River Canyon. The town's crown jewel was the ketdy Y,
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a y shaped rail junction built in nineteen oh nine.
An engineering marvel at the time that drew rail fans
and workers alike. Ketdy thrived for a time with a
general store, a hotel, and cabins that welcomed visitors escaping
city life, But when the railroad industry declined, so did
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the town. By the late nineteen seventies, Kendy was struggling
to survive the resort cabins once weekend getaways were converted
into low income rentals in a last ditch effort to
keep the community afloat. Then came the murders in Cabin
twenty eight. The brutal crime cast a long shadow over Ketty,
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and the town never recovered. It was a quiet, rural
resort town with a dwindling population and a sheriff's department
more accustomed to handling minor disputes, petty thefts, and the
occasional domestic disturbance. Serious crimes were rare, and murder was
unheard of. In fact, there's no record of a homicide
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in Ketty in the years leaning up to the Cabin
twenty eight killings. The Plumus County Sheriff's office, which oversaw
the area, was small and under resourced, more used to
issuing citations than investigating brutal crimes. The Cabin murders were
a seismic shock, not just for the town but for
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the entire county. The brutality, the lack of motive, and
the sheer scale of the violence overwhelmed local law enforcement
and expose deep flaws in their investigative process.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Okay, who's in charge around here?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It's time to get back to the show. Well, thank
you for that history, babe. That's get us offt to
a good start. Do you think we should take a
break or take a few minutes and head over to
Arthur's corner?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes, we should always head over to Arthur's corner.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Arthur's feeling creative this morning.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I see, yeah, and apparently doesn't have paper.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Why do I have to have paper?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Why would he need paper? He has lots of skin because.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
He's drawing on himself and not paper.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
So why would I need it? Though? I have my skin?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Here?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Here? You allow me to present Arthur's corner.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
This week. Other than Dad beaten on you, he's.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Beaten on me with a stick. That sounded awful, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
And I mean it might sound a little better that
it's a rock candy stick. And not like an actual
thick stick from outside. But still.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'm playing a drum beat on his knee.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right, I'll song because something about me.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Oh Suana, oh Susannah. Yeah, with a banjo on her knee.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yep, okay, that sounded familiar.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It drew a really cool design on my arm.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You did. You should take a picture of that one too.
I still have I still have mine from the last
time we were fun.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Fact guys, if this wasn't already stated enough, this is
a re recording.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yes, so it's a computer glitch and we had to
re record their episode.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But it's okay because yesterday's recording session was kind of
a mess anyway. I mean, I really liked the conversations
we had, especially in my corner. That was a very
nice corner, and I feel bad that it just went away.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Wait I couldn't fix it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's okay, But I did draw things yesterday.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I drew.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I drew a leopard on my knee, and I drew
the little wolf guy on my mom's arm.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And now you're drawing on your on your arm today.
It's it's a very cool.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Little Cathulian monster.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Sure, signed with flowers and licks, and these are like
flower lamps. Those are very cool. Like it could be
be from like a fairy house or something.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
It could.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's it's very it's sick. It's very nice. It's very
it is. Let's see, I started school yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You did.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's too interesting yet, but it's high school.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's just starting.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, it's just beginning, just beginning. And it's home school,
so you can move kind of more at your own pace.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Let's see the thing that I bought a while ago.
I think you guys might remember this. I don't remember
which episode it was, but I did say that I
was buying a skulldog mask and that is coming in
the mail tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Cool, So you'll be going over to get the mail tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't think it'll be in the mail. I think
it will be delivered to the trailer.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
We'll see. But one would hope, one would hope that
they would require a signature as much as you spent
on it.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think today is not interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
We cleaned yesterday. You got clean last day.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yeah, we cleaned yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Your room is all organized and spiffy and.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Looks festive and fabulous and fabulous.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
My room looks very nice.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I am very happy that I get to sleep very
comfortably because I've got two mattresses stacked on top of
each other, and that is comfortable.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
That is very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It's super fluffy.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
It is, it is.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It's an extra fluffy bed.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
So fluof bed flu.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
First her firsty he is not currently, I mean kind
of with the all the hair I have. But I
was just being playful, kiddo. Just just ignore the father.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Lexi's got a fluffy jacket. She does.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Lexi's gone at school. Our free sponsor girl isn't here
to sponsor.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's dead.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Got sponsor backups, so it's all good sponsor backups.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well you were kidnapped by aliens? Oh no, that was
just you hanging out with your sister like an alien.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Lexi is an alien sometimes.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
She acts like one.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, why am I so boring today? I mean, yes,
I was full of conversation, to be fair.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yesterday you talked to teachers, and you've been up for
a while. You might have even been talking to friends.
I don't remember, but yeah, you this morning you kind
of got up talked with mom a little bit, so
you don't have your head together. It's okay. Stuff happened.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Plus, uh, we're.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
We're going, we're going out of the summer. And as
you guys know, I might know Mike, my cat Thunder
did pass recently, and parental parental units said that maybe maybe, maybe,
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maybe maybe I could get a new cat. Maybe maybe
Well no, that just makes me kind of sad now,
but okay, anyway, probably is that better.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Don't be a sad Arthur.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, don't be a sad Arthur. It'll it'll probably happen.
I'm a sad I can't say no to a baby,
to a fluffy baby.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And that's how we got Thunder in the first place.
He was a cute, fluffy baby.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And then I asked.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Our aunt if or we call her an aunt kind
of aunt summer.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
She's she's a Dutch aunt, yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
A Dutch uncle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I asked her when we went to my doctor's appointment, yeah,
you were hitting my feet and I was like, hey,
since we don't have she on anymore, can I have
a cat for your place? And she just like I
don't see why not. And the mom's just like, why
would you tell him that it has been she in
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summer rescues cats. Yeah, and then she hidden me Thunder
and he was the sweetest little baby.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I loved him so much. I showed him to Mom.
I was like, look, but she was like.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Oh, very sweet baby. Thunder was. Yes, he was green.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And to be fair, you went about it the right way.
You didn't try to guilt trip mom into bringing said
cat home. You didn't half adopt the cat and then
go can I bring it home? In a text? You
were there and on hands.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I was very open and honest about my feelings about
getting new cat. I am not mean or the file.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
He drugged me over there and showed me a cute
baby is what he did. That's what he did.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And I'm just saying, I've known some of our kids
have texted you, texted you pictures of cute babies they
want to bring home, and you told them, no.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay, I'm losing a new cat. We've lost Thunder or
not a thunder Upsidian.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I know.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Anyway, if you find to a new subject, why would
you feel a tack time?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
There's no pizza here. I had pizza. I felt better
about all of these conversations pizza right now.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, there's no pizza right now, unfortunately, but I have
pizza hit. Last night pizza was fire. That pizza was
so good. I know I have more to talk about,
but my brain's farted.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Your brain's farting. Well, that's fine. You want to.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Don't break nothing.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I'm not breaking nothing. I wasn't the one who broke
stuff last time.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Me not me broke it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I was teasing.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
But okay, I'm gonna hope that our stinky silly cat
kitty cats don't knock over the cat tree again, because
they've done it three times this morning.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
They're a little bit big.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
They're chunky kiddies. Yeah, they're breaking the rabbit's cases. They're
so chunky, so junky.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I know I had to put up a stop gap
and they're trying to get around it.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Okay, who's in charge around?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Okay, now that way out of the corner. I'm sure
Dad put applaw somewhere. Sure there was enough silence for that.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I imagine.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Glenna Susan Sue Sharp was born on March twenty ninth,
nineteen forty five, in Springfield, Massachusetts. She married James Sharp
and lived in Connecticut, where they had five children, but
life behind closed.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Doors was hard.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Sue faced years of abuse.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
In nineteen seventy nine, she made a brave choice. She
packed up her kids and left, heading away west to
California for a fresh start. Her brother down lived in Quincy,
a small town in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. With little
money and no job, Sue moved into a tiny trailer
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at Claremont Trailer Village. It was crowded but safe. She
worked hard to support her family and eventually found a
bigger place. Cabin twenty eight in by Ketty Keddy was
once a busy railroad resort, but by then it was
fading fast. The cabins were meant for weekend visitors, but
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soon made Cabin twenty eight a full time home. She
lived there with her teenage son John, daughter Sheila and Tina,
and her two youngest boys, Rick and Greg. Sue was quiet,
kind and protective. Friends said she didn't party or cause trouble.
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She was focused on giving her kids a better life.
The cabin wasn't perfect, but it was a step forward,
a chance to rebuild. Then one spring night in nineteen
eighty one, everything fell apart. Cool. I don't like that,
I don't like the fact that she's genuinely trying to
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get her life together like you're supposed to after that
sort of situation, and then like everything just starts falling apart,
and that's not good.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Let's let's be clear. Nothing about what's about to happen
seems to have anything to do.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
With Yeah, she's doing good, she's like actually trying to
work and be better.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Like that's sad.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Imagine getting through all of that abuse and just one
night your life just falls apart.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, and it's it's literally in one night.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
And that's that's awful.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
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So her oldest son, John Sharp, was fifteen at the
time of the murders. He and his friend Dana Wingate
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were to hitchhike and hang out in Quincy, but there's
no confirmed criminal activity tied to either of them. They, however,
was described by some as a troublemaker, though that label
seems to be more social than legal. The town of
Teddy itself had rumors of low level drug use slay, marijuana,
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and hashish, which in the early eighties not really surprising,
but the surrounding Plumous County region weren't known for organized
crime or major drug investigations. The sheriff's department was small
and mostly dealt with minor infractions, including domestic disputes, petty theft,
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and traffic violations. Violent crime was rare, and murder was
practically unheard of. Pot and hash were casually used by
some locals, especially teens and young adults, but there's no
evidence of a structured drug gang or active investigations into trafficking.
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At the time, the community still saw itself as a
decent place to raise a family, despite economic decline and
the occasional whisper of drug use. On April eleventh, nineteen
eighty one, the Sharp family's day seemed ordinary. Sue Sharp
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was home in Cabin twenty eight with her youngest sons,
Rick and Greg, and their friend Justin Smart. Her daughter Sheila,
was staying the night at a friend's house nearby. That evening,
Sue's oldest son, John, fifteen, and his friend Dana Ingate,
were seen hitchhiking into Quincy, a nearby town. They returned
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to the cabin later that night. There were no signs
of trouble, no loud arguments, no reported disturbances. But sometime
between ten thirty pm and the early hours of April twelfth,
something horrific happened. Sue, John, and Dana were brutally murdered
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inside the cabin. Tina, Sue's twelve year old daughter, vanished
without a trace.
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Sometime between the late hours of April eleventh and the
early morning of April twelfth, nineteen eighty one, Cabin twenty
eight at the Ketti Resort became the side of a
brutal and still unsolved triple homicide. Inside the cabin were
Sue Sharp, her teenage son John, and his friend Dana Wingate.
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All three were found dead in the living room, bound
with electrical cords and medical tape. The weapons used included knives,
and a hammer one so violently used it was bent
from impact. I'm gonna, well, No, that sounds like a hammer.
But do hammers bend?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I mean they can if.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
They can them like I just most hammers are wood
wouldn't it break?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
M No, metal hammers, domer metal metal hammers would just
bend from impact.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I guess I get I just in my head. All
hammers have a wooden handle in a metal head. No,
but you're right, like Walmart sells a bunch of fully
cast metal hammers with just a rubber grip.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yepeah.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And while Walmart may not have been a thing in
Kenny in nineteen eighty one, I'm the sure metal.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I mean, maybe not Ketty itself, but I'm sure there
was Walmart somewhere nearby in nineteen eighty one. Walmart's were
still pretty much everywhere in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
See, I didn't remember them being here until later.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
No, there was definitely Walmart, Okay, Walmart, Kmart Venture, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I do you remember Kmart and Venture. Sue's body was
partially covered with a blanket, suggesting a personal or symbolic gesture.
John and Dana were found close together, their injuries focused
around the head and neck. The scene showed signs of
a violent struggle, with blood spattered throughout the room and
furniture displaced. Twelve year old Tina Shark was missing from
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the cabin. Her remains wouldn't be discovered until three years later,
over sixty miles away in Butte County. Meanwhile, Sheho's younger
sons Rick and Greg, along with their friend Justin Smart,
were found unharmed in a back bedroom. They had apparently
slept through the attack or at least remained silent. The
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crime scene was chaotic, intimate, and deeply unsettling. It was
clear that whoever committed the murders had spent time inside
the cabin and left behind a mystery that still haunts
investigators and what's left of the community.
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Speaker 5 (28:17):
Okay, wise guy who's in charge around here.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's time to get back to the show, all right,
So let's talk about the investigation. The investigation into the
Ketty Cabin murders began on April twelfth, nineteen eighty one,
when the fourteen year old Sheila Sharp found the bodies
and ran to a neighbor for help. The Plumus County
Sheriff's office responded quickly, but their handling of the scene
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was later criticized as careless and disorganized. The cabin showed
no signs of forced entry, though a bloody footprint was
found outside and knife marks were discovered on the walls.
A toolbox and a second hammer were missing, suggesting the
killers may have taken items with them. The scene was
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not properly secured, and neighbors and family members entered it
before it was cordoned off. Officers also failed to act
quickly when told that twelve year old Tina Sharp was missing,
and they didn't follow up on reports of screams or
suspicious vehicles seen nearby that night. Justin Smart claimed he
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had dreamed of the murders and claimed that Tina was missing,
but he was largely ignored. Sheriff Doug Thomas, who had
once lived in cabin, twenty eight himself led the investigation,
but faced backlash for missing leads and poor evidence handling.
Early on, his team focused on two suspects, Martin Smart,
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the abusive stepfather of Justin Smart, and John bo Boubadet,
a man with a criminal record who was staying with
Marty in cabin twenty six. Both were seen acting strangely
at the back door bar the night of the murders.
Instead of interviewing Marty himself, Sheriff Thomas brought into California
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Department of Justice agents Mike Krim and Harry Bradley, whose
lack of known investigation training, known interrogation training, and outsider
status led to rumors in speculation. Some believe their involvement
was due to Bow's alleged ties to organized crime, while
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others think the sheriff simply wanted to help wanted help
from more experienced investigators.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh here we go with this long one again.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
All right, that I'll get a lot of talking.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Time, which is different than living on Tulsa.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Time, Very yes, very different.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Fans of plastic rockers singing in their head now.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Oh I could not be two.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I did not want to yawn in mic all right,
Despite interviews with suspects Martin Smart and John bo Bubadet,
no chargers are filed. Sheriff Thomas claims there is no
evidence they committed the crime, denies any involvement by organized crime.
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Rumors swirl about d o J involvement and possible organized
crime connections. Witness witnesses support seeing reports seeing a green
band and brown docsun with a flat tire near the
cavern at the night of the murders. These leads are noted,
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but not pursued aggressively. It's letter later speculated that Smart
or Boudet Bouret had access to vehicles matching those descriptions.
I'm trying to process what that means. I'm reading words,
but I'm not processing the meaning.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
So in other words, they had access to cars that
match those descriptions.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Okay, they would have been able to be driving those
types of vehicles, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, though no official link was confirmed at the time.
In April nineteen eighty four, Tina Sharp's remains are found.
A man collecting cow cans found discovers Tina's skull and
bones at Camp eighteen, near Feather Falls in Butte County,
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about sixty two miles from Ketty. The discovery is reported
to authorities, but no suspects are charged and the case
remains unsolved. The case will go cold until it is
reopened by Sheriff Greg Hagwood, and Oops, who had personal
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ties to the victims, begins actively working the case. He
also brings in Mike Gamberg, a former deputy who had
long believed the original investigation was mishandled. Gamberg begins re
examining evidence and organizing case files. It should be noted
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that Bubudet and Smart are both dead at this point,
Boobdet dying in nineteen eighty eight and Smart in two thousands.
Marty Smart had a therapist. The therapist had been so concerned. Yeah.
Marty Smart had moved to Reno after the murders and
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confessed to the murder of Sue and his VA to
his VA therapist. The therapist had been so concerned she
reported the concerns to the DOJ, but it was never
documented at the time. He had also recovered a letter
never entered into evidence, written to Marilyn which had been
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sent to her husband sent to her by her husband
in Reno. It read, in part, I paid the price
of your love and now that I've bought it with
four people's lives. You tell me we are through great?
What else do you want? Further, Marilyn claimed that she
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had found a bloody jacket that she thought was Tina's.
She gave it to investigators, but it was lost and
never entered into evidence. Justin Smart was just twelve years
old at the time of the murder and had been
sleeping over at Cabin twenty eight with Ricky and Greg Sharp.
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In the original investigation, Justin gave a conflicting accounts, including
a dreamlike recollection of witnessing the murders, which was largely
dismissed or minimized by authorities. Decades later, Gamberg and Hagwood
reinterviewed us re interviewed Justin, now an adult, to clarify
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his memories and assess what he might have truly witnessed.
During this process, composite sketches were created based on Justin's recollections.
The sketches bore a striking resemblance to Martin Smart and
bo Boobadet, reinforcing suspicions that they were just present, that
they were present during the murders. The original investigation had
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failed to act on Justin's statements, possibly due to his
age and the confusing nature of his dream account. Gamberg
and Hagwood treated Justin's memories with renewed seriousness, recognizes not
recognizing that trauma and fear may have distorted his initial testimony.
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This identification added weight to other evidence, like Marty's confession
and the letter to Marylyn, and helped build a more
coherent case and theory. Witnesses reported seeing a green bound
and abandon Dotson with a flat tire parked near Cabin
twenty eight on the night of the murders. Hagwood and
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Gamberg investigated these sightings and found that Marty Smart had
access to a vehicle resembling one of those seen, though
no forensic Though no formal forensic link was established, established,
the presence of this of these vehicles, combined with the
suspects timeline behavior, added circumstantial weight to their involvement. Multiple neighbors,
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including a couple in the cabin next door, reported hearing
muffled screens or aloud grown around one thirty am. One
neighbor even got up to look around, but couldn't pinpoint
the source. These reports, which were collected during the initial investigations,
but lost in the evidence files aligned with the suspected
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time of the murders and support the theory that the
killagues had occurred in the early morning hours. In twenty sixteen,
the hammer was found by a local resident not publicly named,
who was either fishing or walking near a pond close
to the entrance of Caddy. This individual noticed the hammer
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and submerged submerged in water, and, recognizing its potential connection
to the infamous case, reported it to the Plumus County
Sheriff's office office. Just one second, just one second.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Okay, that makes me so confused, is it?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Like, is this case like Tolmin when you talked about
around Keddy, Yes, if you notice it like from.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
It, well yeah, I mean it's the only murder that
happened in town for years, and it was by far
the worst.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Like in twenty sixteen, you find a hammer submerged in water,
do they talk about it all the time?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah? Years later that's that's well thirty six but still
thirty six later. Years later you find a hammer when
you're just out walking.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Somewhere and then you see the Yeah, but by twenty connection, yeah,
but by twenty sixteen, this was already all over the internet.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
But still that seems like a stretch to me.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
I was, I was you, that seems a bit odd.
But that seems a bit odd to me. I mean,
it could it could definitely be that, and I'm sure,
I'm sure it was, but like.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
That's I don't know. It just seems that he found
that and turned it in.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's like it's like they found it and they're just like.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Heard that happened back in the eighties was like a
child or something, because that person very likely wasn't full
of grown adult when that happened. If they're out locking
yeah twenty sixteen, thirty six years later, you.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Know, yeah, I mean they must have thought, look, hammer,
this is my big tay.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Time to take it to the Sheriff's office.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It's just strange. I don't know, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
If it's just felt it just felt.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
A little odd, that's all it does. It feels a
little bit of a stretch. And not that I'm not
believing it.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It just yeah, it just feels it feels odd, that's all.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Sometimes I'd smell I smell right with that.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Mike Gamberg serving as a special investigator at the time
took possession of the hammer and immediately flagged it as
a possible match for one of for one described in
the original case files, a claw hammer that had gone
missing from the crime scene. The hammer was sent for
forensic testing. The results have not been publicly disclosed in detail.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Right, let's take a moment for a word from our sponsors.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
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Speaker 4 (40:48):
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Speaker 1 (40:49):
Okay, good, Now, before I get into my bit here, Uh,
there is one thing that I didn't cover, but we
kind of need to, which is between nineteen eighty one
and nineteen ninety, the Department of Justice conducts several stings
arresting organized crime figures from Chicago and New Orleans and
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a few other places. This adds well according to some people,
this adds weight to the idea that the DOJ chose
not to prosecute Bubadet because of his organized crime connections
that they could use to make arrests. Gotcha, So, in
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other words.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
He was more more useful to them on the outside
than the inside.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Now, could it just that just be rampant speculation? It
absolutely could, but always can be. Yeah, it's important that
we noted it happened, because definitely the people online who
discussed this case do talk about that now. The Kendy
Cabin murders remain one of California's most infamous unsolved crimes.
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The brutality, the botched investigation, and the fact that Tina
Sharp was missing created a chilling narrative that still resonates.
The cases often cited in discussions of law enforcement failures,
especially regarding small town jurisdictions and mishandled evidence. It's become
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a touchstone for online sleuths, with forums and YouTube channels
dissecting every detail as they should. In twenty seventeen, Cabin
twenty eight, a horror film loosely based on the murders, appeared.
It fictionalizes the events, but draws heavily from the real
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case's atmosphere and brutality. A true crime podcast, including Time
Suck with Dan's Dan Cummins, which covered the case as
a short. Suck and YouTube channels frequently feature the case.
Often they emphasized the mystery and the psychological horror of
the scene. In November twenty eighth of twenty sixteen, as
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part of season one of People magazine, Investigates People Magazine.
Investigates presented Cabin twenty eight Horror in the Woods, and
this aired on Investigation Discovery. The episode featured Sheila Sharp,
the surviving daughter who discovered the crime scene, and Mike Gambered,
the investigator who helped reopen the case. It explored the
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original investigation, the suspects, Marty Smart and Bo Bubadet, and
the emotional toll on the surviving family. Gamberg is quoted
as saying, whoever did this took their time. With that
kind of chaos going on, There had to be wont
more than one person to control the scene. It was evil.
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The case has also been featured in id's online crime reporting,
including articles like Cabin in the Woods Who Killed the
Sharp Family, which detailed the crime scenes, the victims, and
the lingering mystery. David Keller's books Solving Ketty offers a
deeply researched account and post theories about the suspects and motives.
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Cabin twenty eight was demolished in two thousand and four
after years of abandonment and decay. The rest of the
Ketty resort has largely fallen into disrepair. Once a thriving
vacation spot. It's now considered a ghost town, with only
a few structures remaining and little to no active community.
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I think the best records I could find say there's
maybe fifty people living in the area. There's no official
record of hauntings, but the case has inspired both urban
legends and ghost stories. Visitors and locals have reported strange noises,
feelings of dread, and paranormal activity near the side of
Cabin twenty eight. Paranormal blogs and ghost hunting groups occasionally
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reference Keddy as a hotspot for residual energy, especially due
to the violence and unresolved nature of the crime. The
only publicly named suspects for ever Marty and Bow, and
if either was still alive today, it's almost certain a
successful circumstantial case could be made for their guilt, likely
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leading to a conviction. I mean, people have certainly been
convicted on less evidence, and that leads us to our
summary and final thoughts. And I believe we kick off
with you, my love.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yes, so I'm gonna well. I feel here because I
don't think that it was imvious of stepfather. I think
that it was the abuser that she left. I feel
like I feel like it doesn't make any sense that
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this man came in.
Speaker 10 (46:03):
And killed a woman and two teenagers and left his stepson,
who was supposedly abusive, to alive in a back bedroom.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
That doesn't make any sense to me, I still said,
I feel like it makes much more sense that she left.
Speaker 8 (46:22):
An abuser, and her abuser caught up with her and
took out his frustrations on her, her son and the
teenage girl that was with her son, and left the
other left the kids that were sleeping alone, and took
the twelve year old with him.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
That's my thoughts on it now. I don't know if
there's some reason why they just completely ignored that, or
maybe I'm totally out of left field.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
It.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
It doesn't make any sense to me why an abusive
stepparent would be frustrated enough to go and take out
a single mom, her teenager, and her teenager's friend, and
a twelve year old and leave.
Speaker 8 (47:08):
The kids in the bedroom. It just it doesn't make
any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Well, I've looked into it. The husband was ruled out
because the ex husband was ruled out because he was
in Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I don't know, it just it seems it seems off.
It just like like Arthur said about the hammer and
just something about it doesn't strike me as making much sense.
But I mean, I would imagine that.
Speaker 8 (47:37):
They had their reasons for deciding that these people were
their most likely suspects.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
So maybe I'm just totally out of left field here,
but I mean I can't.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I kind of like, I don't know. I think these
people killed her. I think these people killed this family
not because they wanted to, but because maybe the husband
paid them to or something. I think I'm thinking there
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might have been like some sort of exchange. I mean,
obviously he was in Connecticut. Yeah, sure, but like.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
There definitely must have been some reason why.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
I mean, there must have been at least one reason
for like why they killed them. I do think they
killed them. I do think above Ouvide and Martin Smart, Yeah,
Martin's Marty Smart.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
Fureau and killed them and leave the body someplace completely
different too.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
That just I don't know, Yeah, that messes with me.
That's just the.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Way that maybe it's just the way that they proceeded
with the evidence and stuff and the way that they
treated the case that's really bothering me. But just with
a house spread out everything is it just seems odd
to me, Like, yes, I do think and Marty Smart
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the name is awful. I swear it did murder them.
But like my question is, why did they go through
with it like that?
Speaker 3 (49:24):
I don't know, I mean, why does anyone commit murder?
Well that deep, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
It's it's just the way, the way that they committed it.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Well, you had Maryland, Martin Smart's ex wife, who found
a jacket that looked like Tina's and was covered with
blood and gave it to the Pump, the Plymouth County Sheriff,
and then.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
It got lost because they mishandled it. Because they they
mishandled all the evidence. I mean, that's a nether thing.
It's like you almost wonder if.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
There wasn't some something ginky going on with the police
that they messed this up that bad. Yeah, I mean
we talked about it a little bit that things were
different in the eighties, but still, I mean, they knew
back in Lizzie Borden's time that they shouldn't let just
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anybody wander through murder scenes, and yet they did let
people wander through this murder scene like did look uh.
And then one of the games that survive tells them, hey,
my sister's missing and or this girl is missing, and
they're just like, no, never mind, we don't care. It's
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just it's wild. It's so wild.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Well here let me add another wrinkle. Do you know
who owned the cabin before? Sue, Well, this isn't They said.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
It was in the recent that the sheriff had it.
And see that that also is weird. It's almost like
maybe the police were involved more than Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Yeah, that just feels odd to me. I don't know.
This whole thing.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Thing feels wrong.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
And then why get the DOJ involved? I mean, if
you do not trust your your your deputies because you've
never dealt with a crime like this, Yeah, fine, bring
in help, but bring him in initially.
Speaker 11 (51:32):
Yeah, hey, did you get.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
You don't just bring in any random No.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
No, I don't know, but I know how common it
is for small town sheriffs to reach out to the
Department of Justice.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
That seems a little wonky too. Yeah, but and so,
and like I said, almost everybody who has examined this
case has questions about whether or not Bubadet traded what
he knew about organized crime for his freedom right.
Speaker 11 (52:14):
And you've got you do everybody makes a deal where
they walk out some of Mike Groses if they can,
So that's not super surprising.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
And you've got Martin Smart who not only told his
therapist that he killed Sue, but in that letter he
wrote to Maryland he said he had bought her love
with four people's lives. Now, if he's not talking about
the Eddie Cabin people, who's talking to?
Speaker 4 (52:40):
Who is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Man? And that's.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
That's the majority of the reason why I do believe
that they did it. But I believe that there had
to be a specific reason why they did it. And
it might just be that he was trying to buy
her love, but like, well why, but like why, yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Exactually this woman, why would that do it?
Speaker 4 (53:06):
You know?
Speaker 3 (53:06):
That's that's the other thing. It's like, why killing this woman,
her kids and this teenager. Is that what he needs
to do to feel like he's buying his wife ex
wife partners? Love?
Speaker 1 (53:22):
That that just I have a theory. I can't back
it up, but I do have a theory.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
My theory is is that Sue was talking to Maryland
and getting Marilyn to because remember, Sue had successfully left an.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Abuser fair enough.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
So Sue was talking to Marilyn telling her how it'd
be hard, but she could walk away.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
So you think the abusive husband did it, or be
partner did it to keep the partner Maryland, from leaving
him altogether.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, to show this is what happens when you leave.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
That's fair. But still, if that was what they were thinking,
then why not arrest at least one of the guys,
you know, make make a deal with the guy that
they want to make a deal with, and arrest one
of the guys. That's the other thing. It's like, why
just leave? The whole thing is just just is just
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it's a hanky case.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
And I know this, like I know that this is
is difficult for you. I mean yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
Especially with the whole abuse a situation.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
Violence is really a hot button issue for me. And
we've talked about this frequently, and this is why we
went back and we talk the part of the reason
that I pulled the Judy Varsy case out and episode
the way go check it out back in episode to ten,
which was hard episode for us to record because of
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the death of a young girl and her mother. But
at the same time, the stories still need to be
told because they're a cautionary tale, and women need to
know that they can stand up for themselves, and that
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the more of us that stand up and say this
is not okay, We're not going to just accept that
women are treated as less, that children are treated as less,
the better the chances that things actually improve. And so
it's it's always hard to have these conversations, especially when
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young children twelve year olds lose their life over somebody,
or an eight year old ten year old, when children
lose their lives over something that just makes no sense
and because somebody's jealous or has anger issues or frustrated.
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It's such a shame and it's so heartbreaking and so
life altering that it's just really hard to talk about
and hard to see.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
And it's even what's a bigger part about it is like,
even if you don't kill them, with all the abuse
that happens in the household, or like the abuse that
has happened in the household, mental problems do come from that. Yeah,
Like mental health problems do come from that, And there
are specific like even disorders that people gets, yeah, st
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or like schizophrenia can be obtained from it. It's there's
a bunch of different things that can be obtained from
things like this, And the thing that the whole thing
here is that this was probably really hard for them
to get away from it, and the fact that they.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
Were just brutally murdered after that just.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Makes me so Yeah, it's heartbreaking, just genuinely. It's it's
it's heartbreaking. It's it's oh, what's the word we used
it yesterday?
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Not disappointing, discouraging, No, dismay, No, it's like destructive, distraught, distraught.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
It makes you distraught.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah. The other well, it also reminds me of I
think it was episode eighty three where we talked about
the Sam and Lindsay Porter case here, and oh.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
Yeah, that's another one that it's like if I can't
have them, you can't have them, and there's there's no sense,
there's there's no sense. It just I don't understand that mentality.
I mean, I don't think that most humans do. I
don't believe that most people do that to the point
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where you're willing to put your children on the ground
and basically execute them, which is what happened in that case,
and then lie about it for so many years. Just
it makes no sense to me whatsoever. It's it's nauseating
and frustrating and so unfortunate and unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
It's so unnecessary. I mean, any any murder, any abuse,
is just so unnecessary. Absolutely, it's awful. It's awful that
it still happens to it. And even though the cases
were bad back then, it gets even louder and even
worse nowadays. Right, And it's like, you see these cases
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and you think about where we are in the world,
and it's just like, dang, that's really really awful, for sure,
And like these aren't just these episodes. Aren't just us
talking about a murder and being like, oh, yep, that's
a murder. No, it's us talking about the fact of
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how they might have come to commit this murder and
where all these pent up feelings came from from, like
the other people are just in general.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, And the only other thing that makes sense to me,
but this feels like such a long shot. The only
other thing that might make sense to me is maybe
a child predator was in the area and he wanted Tina,
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but then to go and kill three people, which were
probably the three people that were awake.
Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Yeah, and I can see that a fifteen year old,
a seventeen year old and the mom.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
But and then to kidnap the daughter, do what you want,
because all we know that was discovered was bothe.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, if they could tell even how she died or
any of that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
So yeah, I mean, you're if he did something to her,
you're not going to give recovered DNA three years later.
So but man, so much would have to fall in
place for that to work out, And it just doesn't
make sense from a criminal perspective. You get the child
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when they're alone, not when they're at home with their family,
and take it to them.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
To me, there have been plenty of cases of people
going in and taking a child right out of their
bed too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
So yeah. But the thing is with those cases, I.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Almost wonder if one of them, one of the people,
uh Bobuday are smarty Marty smart Marty smarty pants, which
he wasn't very smart. I almost wonder if they took
her away from the scene, did what they wanted with her,
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and then killed her too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
And I wouldn't put it past them they did. They
didn't seem like good people.
Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
No whoever whoever did it, definitely Yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Again, there's just so much we don't know and won't
know because the initial investigation was so badly botched.
Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yeah, when you botch an investigation like that, there is
almost nothing you can do forensically that will fix it,
because once you've botched your investigation, once you've botched the
crime scene, that crime scene is forever ruined because it's
not like they're going to come back and commit the
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crime again.
Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Well, it's to be hoped they don't.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Well, not the same crime, like they can't repeat that crime.
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Well, yeah, that's true. And I don't know. I mean,
it's just such a weird it's such a weird case,
and there's so much that's been lost. And I didn't
see when the guy found the hammer. But the investigation
(01:02:57):
discovery thing was in twenty sixteen as well, which is
when the guy found the hammer. So if it was
after that, maybe he had just seen the investigation discovery
thing about it, and that's why he thought, oh, hey,
there's a hammer in this lake. Maybe it's the ham.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I don't know, it's just maybe weird. It could be,
but I just thought, I don't know, it's just very odd.
Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
It's very odd.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
To me that just a random person watches the show
be like, oh, I should keep my eye out for
that sees it. Oh look, today's my big day.
Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
I found it here you go.
Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
It definitely could be. It definitely could have been enough
to arrest Barbadet and Smarty Pants or whatever. I'm not
using his real name. I have already decided it's stupid
and I don't want to hear it anyway. But that's
my thoughts on it. I just I think they did it.
(01:04:02):
I do, But some of the things in this investigation
just messed with the whole thing. And they would have
been able to put them behind bars if they genuinely
tried as police and probably most likely didn't mess with
the evidence because the criminals told them to.
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
And that may be part of it. I mean, it's
a small town. There are connections between people in small town, sure,
I mean, you know, going back to I think.
Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Whether they paid them for it or they were just like, hey,
we'll kill you if you don't.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Well, going back to Ken Rex mcfoy, I mean, yeah,
that's a small town murder and we still don't know
who did it because nobody's talking.
Speaker 12 (01:04:49):
Right exactly yes, makes you wonder you know how much
of that is small time, how much of that is
you know, one of the guys obviously had connections to
crime and absolutely could have said, hey, this is what's
going to happen if it doesn't go my way kind.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Of thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Yeah, definitely good of them.
Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Well that's our show. Thank you for listening, Thanks for
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That last name is spelled b e h R e
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to hear he is. He is getting better. He also
is recording a what will be our our comeback message
as Mark Twain for that episode which will be in
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If you need music for any kind of project, Bill's
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Let's try this again. I'm Dean, I'm the dad, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Laura, I'm the mom, and I'm Arthur I'm the son,
and together we are family.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Claude.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
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gets special episodes featuring things that I don't cut out,
like Arthur's profanity laden rants.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hey, yesterday you would have had to cut out moms
not mine. I didn't cust once net outisode.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It wasn't. But let's let's just let's just say that
it wasn't a profanity laced rant. I dropped one curse word,
one word, even a terrible tembal curse word. It was
just one curseword. I just want to spell that out.
Mom has not been over here right in my body mouth.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm just it, okay and all right, but mom still cussed.
It was not me that cussed yesterday.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You're right, it wasn't, and our fans would probably have
been disappointed.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So why because people like when Arthur goes on rants.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, people like that. You're a fire brand. So there's
that now. If you can't not to afford the monthly donation,
which we understand, we got kids, any money we ever
have is suddenly get spoken for because someone needs new
shoes or a new pair of pants, or they have
(03:13):
a science fair tomorrow that they forgot to mention, or.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
What did that happen?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, it was just an example, right, or.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
A field trip they forgot to tell us about. So
we get it. I'm just saying, we definitely get it.
You can always loss people in this house, that is sure, yes,
But one of them is in college, which means they
still need money.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah, they get money from their boyfriend. They'll figure that
crap out. That's what being adults all about.
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Say anything at all.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Weird noise goes here.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
So what am I thinking about tonight? Dean Well.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
In the spring of nineteen eighty one, this sleepy mountain
town of Keddy, California, became the backdrop for one of
the most chilling unsolved crimes in American history. Inside Cabin
twenty eight, Glenna Sue Sharp, her teenage son John, and
(04:50):
his friend Dana Wingate were brutally murdered in a scene
so violent it stunned even seasoned investigators would help if
I wasn't looking like sidelong. Yeah, well, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Not moving the computer again, because that's what screwed it up.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yes, saying move it. I was saying I needed to
move my fat head. Yeah, it's Donne seasoned investigators. Sue's
daughter Tina was missing, The crime was savage, the motive unclear,
and despite decades of investigation, no one has ever been charged.
The surviving children, asleep in the house during the attack
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were left with trauma and questions that still echo throughout
the Sierra Nevada Mountains more than forty years later, the
Keddy Cabin murders remain a haunting mystery, a story of violence, silence,
and a community forever changed. In this Unsolved Mystery episode
of the Family Plot podcast.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
All right, well this is going to be interesting. Let's
dig into it. On, give us some more background.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm gonna whistled. In the Sierra Nevada Mountains of northern California,
Kendy began as a railroad town in the early nineteen hundreds.
It was named after Arthur W. Ketty, a visionary surveyor
who helped chart the Western Pacific Railroad's route through the
Feather River Canyon. The town's crown jewel was the ketdy Y,
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a y shaped rail junction built in nineteen oh nine.
An engineering marvel at the time that drew rail fans
and workers alike. Ketdy thrived for a time with a
general store, a hotel, and cabins that welcomed visitors escaping
city life, But when the railroad industry declined, so did
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the town. By the late nineteen seventies, Kendy was struggling
to survive the resort cabins once weekend getaways were converted
into low income rentals in a last ditch effort to
keep the community afloat. Then came the murders in Cabin
twenty eight. The brutal crime cast a long shadow over Ketty,
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and the town never recovered. It was a quiet, rural
resort town with a dwindling population and a sheriff's department
more accustomed to handling minor disputes, petty thefts, and the
occasional domestic disturbance. Serious crimes were rare, and murder was
unheard of. In fact, there's no record of a homicide
(07:32):
in Ketty in the years leaning up to the Cabin
twenty eight killings. The Plumus County Sheriff's office, which oversaw
the area, was small and under resourced, more used to
issuing citations than investigating brutal crimes. The Cabin murders were
a seismic shock, not just for the town but for
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the entire county. The brutality, the lack of motive, and
the sheer scale of the violence overwhelmed local law enforcement
and expose deep flaws in their investigative process.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Okay, who's in charge around here?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It's time to get back to the show. Well, thank
you for that history, babe. That's get us offt to
a good start. Do you think we should take a
break or take a few minutes and head over to
Arthur's corner?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes, we should always head over to Arthur's corner.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Arthur's feeling creative this morning.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I see, yeah, and apparently doesn't have paper.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Why do I have to have paper?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Why would he need paper? He has lots of skin because.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
He's drawing on himself and not paper.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
So why would I need it? Though? I have my skin?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Here?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Here? You allow me to present Arthur's corner.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
This week. Other than Dad beaten on you, he's.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Beaten on me with a stick. That sounded awful, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
And I mean it might sound a little better that
it's a rock candy stick. And not like an actual
thick stick from outside. But still.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'm playing a drum beat on his knee.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Right, I'll song because something about me.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Oh Suana, oh Susannah. Yeah, with a banjo on her knee.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yep, okay, that sounded familiar.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
It drew a really cool design on my arm.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You did. You should take a picture of that one too.
I still have I still have mine from the last
time we were fun.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Fact guys, if this wasn't already stated enough, this is
a re recording.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yes, so it's a computer glitch and we had to
re record their episode.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But it's okay because yesterday's recording session was kind of
a mess anyway. I mean, I really liked the conversations
we had, especially in my corner. That was a very
nice corner, and I feel bad that it just went away.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Wait I couldn't fix it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It's okay, But I did draw things yesterday.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I drew.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I drew a leopard on my knee, and I drew
the little wolf guy on my mom's arm.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And now you're drawing on your on your arm today.
It's it's a very cool.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Little Cathulian monster.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Sure, signed with flowers and licks, and these are like
flower lamps. Those are very cool. Like it could be
be from like a fairy house or something.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
It could.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's it's very it's sick. It's very nice. It's very
it is. Let's see, I started school yesterday.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You did.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
It's too interesting yet, but it's high school.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's just starting.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, it's just beginning, just beginning. And it's home school,
so you can move kind of more at your own pace.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Let's see the thing that I bought a while ago.
I think you guys might remember this. I don't remember
which episode it was, but I did say that I
was buying a skulldog mask and that is coming in
the mail tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Cool, So you'll be going over to get the mail tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I don't think it'll be in the mail. I think
it will be delivered to the trailer.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
We'll see. But one would hope, one would hope that
they would require a signature as much as you spent
on it.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think today is not interesting.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
We cleaned yesterday. You got clean last day.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yeah, we cleaned yesterday.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Your room is all organized and spiffy and.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Looks festive and fabulous and fabulous.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
My room looks very nice.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I am very happy that I get to sleep very
comfortably because I've got two mattresses stacked on top of
each other, and that is comfortable.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
That is very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
It's super fluffy.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
It is, it is.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It's an extra fluffy bed.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
So fluof bed flu.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
First her firsty he is not currently, I mean kind
of with the all the hair I have. But I
was just being playful, kiddo. Just just ignore the father.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Lexi's got a fluffy jacket. She does.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Lexi's gone at school. Our free sponsor girl isn't here
to sponsor.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's dead.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Got sponsor backups, so it's all good sponsor backups.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well you were kidnapped by aliens? Oh no, that was
just you hanging out with your sister like an alien.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Lexi is an alien sometimes.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
She acts like one.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, why am I so boring today? I mean, yes,
I was full of conversation, to be fair.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yesterday you talked to teachers, and you've been up for
a while. You might have even been talking to friends.
I don't remember, but yeah, you this morning you kind
of got up talked with mom a little bit, so
you don't have your head together. It's okay. Stuff happened.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Plus, uh, we're.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
We're going, we're going out of the summer. And as
you guys know, I might know Mike, my cat Thunder
did pass recently, and parental parental units said that maybe maybe, maybe,
(14:09):
maybe maybe I could get a new cat. Maybe maybe
Well no, that just makes me kind of sad now,
but okay, anyway, probably is that better.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Don't be a sad Arthur.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, don't be a sad Arthur. It'll it'll probably happen.
I'm a sad I can't say no to a baby,
to a fluffy baby.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And that's how we got Thunder in the first place.
He was a cute, fluffy baby.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And then I asked.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Our aunt if or we call her an aunt kind
of aunt summer.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
She's she's a Dutch aunt, yeah, like.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
A Dutch uncle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I asked her when we went to my doctor's appointment, yeah,
you were hitting my feet and I was like, hey,
since we don't have she on anymore, can I have
a cat for your place? And she just like I
don't see why not. And the mom's just like, why
would you tell him that it has been she in
(15:17):
summer rescues cats. Yeah, and then she hidden me Thunder
and he was the sweetest little baby.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I loved him so much. I showed him to Mom.
I was like, look, but she was like.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Oh, very sweet baby. Thunder was. Yes, he was green.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And to be fair, you went about it the right way.
You didn't try to guilt trip mom into bringing said
cat home. You didn't half adopt the cat and then
go can I bring it home? In a text? You
were there and on hands.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I was very open and honest about my feelings about
getting new cat. I am not mean or the file.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
He drugged me over there and showed me a cute
baby is what he did. That's what he did.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And I'm just saying, I've known some of our kids
have texted you, texted you pictures of cute babies they
want to bring home, and you told them, no.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay, I'm losing a new cat. We've lost Thunder or
not a thunder Upsidian.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I know.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Anyway, if you find to a new subject, why would
you feel a tack time?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
There's no pizza here. I had pizza. I felt better
about all of these conversations pizza right now.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, there's no pizza right now, unfortunately, but I have
pizza hit. Last night pizza was fire. That pizza was
so good. I know I have more to talk about,
but my brain's farted.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Your brain's farting. Well, that's fine. You want to.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Don't break nothing.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I'm not breaking nothing. I wasn't the one who broke
stuff last time.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Me not me broke it.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I was teasing.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
But okay, I'm gonna hope that our stinky silly cat
kitty cats don't knock over the cat tree again, because
they've done it three times this morning.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
They're a little bit big.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
They're chunky kiddies. Yeah, they're breaking the rabbit's cases. They're
so chunky, so junky.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I know I had to put up a stop gap
and they're trying to get around it.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Okay, who's in charge around?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Time to get back to the show.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Okay, now that way out of the corner. I'm sure
Dad put applaw somewhere. Sure there was enough silence for that.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I imagine.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Glenna Susan Sue Sharp was born on March twenty ninth,
nineteen forty five, in Springfield, Massachusetts. She married James Sharp
and lived in Connecticut, where they had five children, but
life behind closed.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Doors was hard.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Sue faced years of abuse.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
In nineteen seventy nine, she made a brave choice. She
packed up her kids and left, heading away west to
California for a fresh start. Her brother down lived in Quincy,
a small town in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. With little
money and no job, Sue moved into a tiny trailer
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at Claremont Trailer Village. It was crowded but safe. She
worked hard to support her family and eventually found a
bigger place. Cabin twenty eight in by Ketty Keddy was
once a busy railroad resort, but by then it was
fading fast. The cabins were meant for weekend visitors, but
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soon made Cabin twenty eight a full time home. She
lived there with her teenage son John, daughter Sheila and Tina,
and her two youngest boys, Rick and Greg. Sue was quiet,
kind and protective. Friends said she didn't party or cause trouble.
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She was focused on giving her kids a better life.
The cabin wasn't perfect, but it was a step forward,
a chance to rebuild. Then one spring night in nineteen
eighty one, everything fell apart. Cool. I don't like that,
I don't like the fact that she's genuinely trying to
(19:54):
get her life together like you're supposed to after that
sort of situation, and then like everything just starts falling apart,
and that's not good.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Let's let's be clear. Nothing about what's about to happen
seems to have anything to do.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
With Yeah, she's doing good, she's like actually trying to
work and be better.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Like that's sad.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Imagine getting through all of that abuse and just one
night your life just falls apart.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, and it's it's literally in one night.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
And that's that's awful.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
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So her oldest son, John Sharp, was fifteen at the
time of the murders. He and his friend Dana Wingate
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were to hitchhike and hang out in Quincy, but there's
no confirmed criminal activity tied to either of them. They, however,
was described by some as a troublemaker, though that label
seems to be more social than legal. The town of
Teddy itself had rumors of low level drug use slay, marijuana,
(22:51):
and hashish, which in the early eighties not really surprising,
but the surrounding Plumous County region weren't known for organized
crime or major drug investigations. The sheriff's department was small
and mostly dealt with minor infractions, including domestic disputes, petty theft,
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and traffic violations. Violent crime was rare, and murder was
practically unheard of. Pot and hash were casually used by
some locals, especially teens and young adults, but there's no
evidence of a structured drug gang or active investigations into trafficking.
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At the time, the community still saw itself as a
decent place to raise a family, despite economic decline and
the occasional whisper of drug use. On April eleventh, nineteen
eighty one, the Sharp family's day seemed ordinary. Sue Sharp
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was home in Cabin twenty eight with her youngest sons,
Rick and Greg, and their friend Justin Smart. Her daughter Sheila,
was staying the night at a friend's house nearby. That evening,
Sue's oldest son, John, fifteen, and his friend Dana Ingate,
were seen hitchhiking into Quincy, a nearby town. They returned
(24:21):
to the cabin later that night. There were no signs
of trouble, no loud arguments, no reported disturbances. But sometime
between ten thirty pm and the early hours of April twelfth,
something horrific happened. Sue, John, and Dana were brutally murdered
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inside the cabin. Tina, Sue's twelve year old daughter, vanished
without a trace.
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Sometime between the late hours of April eleventh and the
early morning of April twelfth, nineteen eighty one, Cabin twenty
eight at the Ketti Resort became the side of a
brutal and still unsolved triple homicide. Inside the cabin were
Sue Sharp, her teenage son John, and his friend Dana Wingate.
(25:28):
All three were found dead in the living room, bound
with electrical cords and medical tape. The weapons used included knives,
and a hammer one so violently used it was bent
from impact. I'm gonna, well, No, that sounds like a hammer.
But do hammers bend?
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I mean they can if.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
They can them like I just most hammers are wood
wouldn't it break?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
M No, metal hammers, domer metal metal hammers would just
bend from impact.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I guess I get I just in my head. All
hammers have a wooden handle in a metal head. No,
but you're right, like Walmart sells a bunch of fully
cast metal hammers with just a rubber grip.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yepeah.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And while Walmart may not have been a thing in
Kenny in nineteen eighty one, I'm the sure metal.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I mean, maybe not Ketty itself, but I'm sure there
was Walmart somewhere nearby in nineteen eighty one. Walmart's were
still pretty much everywhere in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
See, I didn't remember them being here until later.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
No, there was definitely Walmart, Okay, Walmart, Kmart Venture, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I do you remember Kmart and Venture. Sue's body was
partially covered with a blanket, suggesting a personal or symbolic gesture.
John and Dana were found close together, their injuries focused
around the head and neck. The scene showed signs of
a violent struggle, with blood spattered throughout the room and
furniture displaced. Twelve year old Tina Shark was missing from
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the cabin. Her remains wouldn't be discovered until three years later,
over sixty miles away in Butte County. Meanwhile, Sheho's younger
sons Rick and Greg, along with their friend Justin Smart,
were found unharmed in a back bedroom. They had apparently
slept through the attack or at least remained silent. The
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crime scene was chaotic, intimate, and deeply unsettling. It was
clear that whoever committed the murders had spent time inside
the cabin and left behind a mystery that still haunts
investigators and what's left of the community.
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Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's time to get back to the show, all right,
So let's talk about the investigation. The investigation into the
Ketty Cabin murders began on April twelfth, nineteen eighty one,
when the fourteen year old Sheila Sharp found the bodies
and ran to a neighbor for help. The Plumus County
Sheriff's office responded quickly, but their handling of the scene
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was later criticized as careless and disorganized. The cabin showed
no signs of forced entry, though a bloody footprint was
found outside and knife marks were discovered on the walls.
A toolbox and a second hammer were missing, suggesting the
killers may have taken items with them. The scene was
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not properly secured, and neighbors and family members entered it
before it was cordoned off. Officers also failed to act
quickly when told that twelve year old Tina Sharp was missing,
and they didn't follow up on reports of screams or
suspicious vehicles seen nearby that night. Justin Smart claimed he
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had dreamed of the murders and claimed that Tina was missing,
but he was largely ignored. Sheriff Doug Thomas, who had
once lived in cabin, twenty eight himself led the investigation,
but faced backlash for missing leads and poor evidence handling.
Early on, his team focused on two suspects, Martin Smart,
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the abusive stepfather of Justin Smart, and John bo Boubadet,
a man with a criminal record who was staying with
Marty in cabin twenty six. Both were seen acting strangely
at the back door bar the night of the murders.
Instead of interviewing Marty himself, Sheriff Thomas brought into California
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Department of Justice agents Mike Krim and Harry Bradley, whose
lack of known investigation training, known interrogation training, and outsider
status led to rumors in speculation. Some believe their involvement
was due to Bow's alleged ties to organized crime, while
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others think the sheriff simply wanted to help wanted help
from more experienced investigators.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Oh here we go with this long one again.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
All right, that I'll get a lot of talking.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Time, which is different than living on Tulsa.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Time, Very yes, very different.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Fans of plastic rockers singing in their head now.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Oh I could not be two.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I did not want to yawn in mic all right,
Despite interviews with suspects Martin Smart and John bo Bubadet,
no chargers are filed. Sheriff Thomas claims there is no
evidence they committed the crime, denies any involvement by organized crime.
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Rumors swirl about d o J involvement and possible organized
crime connections. Witness witnesses support seeing reports seeing a green
band and brown docsun with a flat tire near the
cavern at the night of the murders. These leads are noted,
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but not pursued aggressively. It's letter later speculated that Smart
or Boudet Bouret had access to vehicles matching those descriptions.
I'm trying to process what that means. I'm reading words,
but I'm not processing the meaning.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
So in other words, they had access to cars that
match those descriptions.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Okay, they would have been able to be driving those
types of vehicles, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, though no official link was confirmed at the time.
In April nineteen eighty four, Tina Sharp's remains are found.
A man collecting cow cans found discovers Tina's skull and
bones at Camp eighteen, near Feather Falls in Butte County,
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about sixty two miles from Ketty. The discovery is reported
to authorities, but no suspects are charged and the case
remains unsolved. The case will go cold until it is
reopened by Sheriff Greg Hagwood, and Oops, who had personal
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ties to the victims, begins actively working the case. He
also brings in Mike Gamberg, a former deputy who had
long believed the original investigation was mishandled. Gamberg begins re
examining evidence and organizing case files. It should be noted
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that Bubudet and Smart are both dead at this point,
Boobdet dying in nineteen eighty eight and Smart in two thousands.
Marty Smart had a therapist. The therapist had been so concerned. Yeah.
Marty Smart had moved to Reno after the murders and
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confessed to the murder of Sue and his VA to
his VA therapist. The therapist had been so concerned she
reported the concerns to the DOJ, but it was never
documented at the time. He had also recovered a letter
never entered into evidence, written to Marilyn which had been
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sent to her husband sent to her by her husband
in Reno. It read, in part, I paid the price
of your love and now that I've bought it with
four people's lives. You tell me we are through great?
What else do you want? Further, Marilyn claimed that she
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had found a bloody jacket that she thought was Tina's.
She gave it to investigators, but it was lost and
never entered into evidence. Justin Smart was just twelve years
old at the time of the murder and had been
sleeping over at Cabin twenty eight with Ricky and Greg Sharp.
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In the original investigation, Justin gave a conflicting accounts, including
a dreamlike recollection of witnessing the murders, which was largely
dismissed or minimized by authorities. Decades later, Gamberg and Hagwood
reinterviewed us re interviewed Justin, now an adult, to clarify
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his memories and assess what he might have truly witnessed.
During this process, composite sketches were created based on Justin's recollections.
The sketches bore a striking resemblance to Martin Smart and
bo Boobadet, reinforcing suspicions that they were just present, that
they were present during the murders. The original investigation had
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failed to act on Justin's statements, possibly due to his
age and the confusing nature of his dream account. Gamberg
and Hagwood treated Justin's memories with renewed seriousness, recognizes not
recognizing that trauma and fear may have distorted his initial testimony.
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This identification added weight to other evidence, like Marty's confession
and the letter to Marylyn, and helped build a more
coherent case and theory. Witnesses reported seeing a green bound
and abandon Dotson with a flat tire parked near Cabin
twenty eight on the night of the murders. Hagwood and
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Gamberg investigated these sightings and found that Marty Smart had
access to a vehicle resembling one of those seen, though
no forensic Though no formal forensic link was established, established,
the presence of this of these vehicles, combined with the
suspects timeline behavior, added circumstantial weight to their involvement. Multiple neighbors,
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including a couple in the cabin next door, reported hearing
muffled screens or aloud grown around one thirty am. One
neighbor even got up to look around, but couldn't pinpoint
the source. These reports, which were collected during the initial investigations,
but lost in the evidence files aligned with the suspected
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time of the murders and support the theory that the
killagues had occurred in the early morning hours. In twenty sixteen,
the hammer was found by a local resident not publicly named,
who was either fishing or walking near a pond close
to the entrance of Caddy. This individual noticed the hammer
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and submerged submerged in water, and, recognizing its potential connection
to the infamous case, reported it to the Plumus County
Sheriff's office office. Just one second, just one second.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Okay, that makes me so confused, is it?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Like, is this case like Tolmin when you talked about
around Keddy, Yes, if you notice it like from.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
It, well yeah, I mean it's the only murder that
happened in town for years, and it was by far
the worst.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Like in twenty sixteen, you find a hammer submerged in water,
do they talk about it all the time?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yeah? Years later that's that's well thirty six but still
thirty six later. Years later you find a hammer when
you're just out walking.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Somewhere and then you see the Yeah, but by twenty connection, yeah,
but by twenty sixteen, this was already all over the internet.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
But still that seems like a stretch to me.
Speaker 9 (38:58):
I was, I was you, that seems a bit odd.
But that seems a bit odd to me. I mean,
it could it could definitely be that, and I'm sure,
I'm sure it was, but like.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
That's I don't know. It just seems that he found
that and turned it in.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's like it's like they found it and they're just like.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Heard that happened back in the eighties was like a
child or something, because that person very likely wasn't full
of grown adult when that happened. If they're out locking
yeah twenty sixteen, thirty six years later, you.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Know, yeah, I mean they must have thought, look, hammer,
this is my big tay.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Time to take it to the Sheriff's office.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It's just strange. I don't know, I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
If it's just felt it just felt.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
A little odd, that's all it does. It feels a
little bit of a stretch. And not that I'm not
believing it.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
It just yeah, it just feels it feels odd, that's all.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Sometimes I'd smell I smell right with that.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Mike Gamberg serving as a special investigator at the time
took possession of the hammer and immediately flagged it as
a possible match for one of for one described in
the original case files, a claw hammer that had gone
missing from the crime scene. The hammer was sent for
forensic testing. The results have not been publicly disclosed in detail.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Right, let's take a moment for a word from our sponsors.
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I think we feel sponsored?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Okay, good, Now, before I get into my bit here, Uh,
there is one thing that I didn't cover, but we
kind of need to, which is between nineteen eighty one
and nineteen ninety, the Department of Justice conducts several stings
arresting organized crime figures from Chicago and New Orleans and
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a few other places. This adds well according to some people,
this adds weight to the idea that the DOJ chose
not to prosecute Bubadet because of his organized crime connections
that they could use to make arrests. Gotcha, So, in
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other words.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
He was more more useful to them on the outside
than the inside.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Now, could it just that just be rampant speculation? It
absolutely could, but always can be. Yeah, it's important that
we noted it happened, because definitely the people online who
discussed this case do talk about that now. The Kendy
Cabin murders remain one of California's most infamous unsolved crimes.
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The brutality, the botched investigation, and the fact that Tina
Sharp was missing created a chilling narrative that still resonates.
The cases often cited in discussions of law enforcement failures,
especially regarding small town jurisdictions and mishandled evidence. It's become
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a touchstone for online sleuths, with forums and YouTube channels
dissecting every detail as they should. In twenty seventeen, Cabin
twenty eight, a horror film loosely based on the murders, appeared.
It fictionalizes the events, but draws heavily from the real
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case's atmosphere and brutality. A true crime podcast, including Time
Suck with Dan's Dan Cummins, which covered the case as
a short. Suck and YouTube channels frequently feature the case.
Often they emphasized the mystery and the psychological horror of
the scene. In November twenty eighth of twenty sixteen, as
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part of season one of People magazine, Investigates People Magazine.
Investigates presented Cabin twenty eight Horror in the Woods, and
this aired on Investigation Discovery. The episode featured Sheila Sharp,
the surviving daughter who discovered the crime scene, and Mike Gambered,
the investigator who helped reopen the case. It explored the
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original investigation, the suspects, Marty Smart and Bo Bubadet, and
the emotional toll on the surviving family. Gamberg is quoted
as saying, whoever did this took their time. With that
kind of chaos going on, There had to be wont
more than one person to control the scene. It was evil.
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The case has also been featured in id's online crime reporting,
including articles like Cabin in the Woods Who Killed the
Sharp Family, which detailed the crime scenes, the victims, and
the lingering mystery. David Keller's books Solving Ketty offers a
deeply researched account and post theories about the suspects and motives.
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Cabin twenty eight was demolished in two thousand and four
after years of abandonment and decay. The rest of the
Ketty resort has largely fallen into disrepair. Once a thriving
vacation spot. It's now considered a ghost town, with only
a few structures remaining and little to no active community.
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I think the best records I could find say there's
maybe fifty people living in the area. There's no official
record of hauntings, but the case has inspired both urban
legends and ghost stories. Visitors and locals have reported strange noises,
feelings of dread, and paranormal activity near the side of
Cabin twenty eight. Paranormal blogs and ghost hunting groups occasionally
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reference Keddy as a hotspot for residual energy, especially due
to the violence and unresolved nature of the crime. The
only publicly named suspects for ever Marty and Bow, and
if either was still alive today, it's almost certain a
successful circumstantial case could be made for their guilt, likely
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leading to a conviction. I mean, people have certainly been
convicted on less evidence, and that leads us to our
summary and final thoughts. And I believe we kick off
with you, my love.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yes, so I'm gonna well. I feel here because I
don't think that it was imvious of stepfather. I think
that it was the abuser that she left. I feel
like I feel like it doesn't make any sense that
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this man came in.
Speaker 10 (46:03):
And killed a woman and two teenagers and left his stepson,
who was supposedly abusive, to alive in a back bedroom.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
That doesn't make any sense to me, I still said,
I feel like it makes much more sense that she left.
Speaker 8 (46:22):
An abuser, and her abuser caught up with her and
took out his frustrations on her, her son and the
teenage girl that was with her son, and left the
other left the kids that were sleeping alone, and took
the twelve year old with him.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
That's my thoughts on it now. I don't know if
there's some reason why they just completely ignored that, or
maybe I'm totally out of left field.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
It.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
It doesn't make any sense to me why an abusive
stepparent would be frustrated enough to go and take out
a single mom, her teenager, and her teenager's friend, and
a twelve year old and leave.
Speaker 8 (47:08):
The kids in the bedroom. It just it doesn't make
any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Well, I've looked into it. The husband was ruled out
because the ex husband was ruled out because he was
in Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I don't know, it just it seems it seems off.
It just like like Arthur said about the hammer and
just something about it doesn't strike me as making much sense.
But I mean, I would imagine that.
Speaker 8 (47:37):
They had their reasons for deciding that these people were
their most likely suspects.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
So maybe I'm just totally out of left field here,
but I mean I can't.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I kind of like, I don't know. I think these
people killed her. I think these people killed this family
not because they wanted to, but because maybe the husband
paid them to or something. I think I'm thinking there
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might have been like some sort of exchange. I mean,
obviously he was in Connecticut. Yeah, sure, but like.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
There definitely must have been some reason why.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
I mean, there must have been at least one reason
for like why they killed them. I do think they
killed them. I do think above Ouvide and Martin Smart, Yeah,
Martin's Marty Smart.
Speaker 8 (48:38):
Fureau and killed them and leave the body someplace completely
different too.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
That just I don't know, Yeah, that messes with me.
That's just the.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Way that maybe it's just the way that they proceeded
with the evidence and stuff and the way that they
treated the case that's really bothering me. But just with
a house spread out everything is it just seems odd
to me, Like, yes, I do think and Marty Smart
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the name is awful. I swear it did murder them.
But like my question is, why did they go through
with it like that?
Speaker 3 (49:24):
I don't know, I mean, why does anyone commit murder?
Well that deep, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
It's it's just the way, the way that they committed it.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Well, you had Maryland, Martin Smart's ex wife, who found
a jacket that looked like Tina's and was covered with
blood and gave it to the Pump, the Plymouth County Sheriff,
and then.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
It got lost because they mishandled it. Because they they
mishandled all the evidence. I mean, that's a nether thing.
It's like you almost wonder if.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
There wasn't some something ginky going on with the police
that they messed this up that bad. Yeah, I mean
we talked about it a little bit that things were
different in the eighties, but still, I mean, they knew
back in Lizzie Borden's time that they shouldn't let just
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anybody wander through murder scenes, and yet they did let
people wander through this murder scene like did look uh.
And then one of the games that survive tells them, hey,
my sister's missing and or this girl is missing, and
they're just like, no, never mind, we don't care. It's
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just it's wild. It's so wild.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Well here let me add another wrinkle. Do you know
who owned the cabin before? Sue, Well, this isn't They said.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
It was in the recent that the sheriff had it.
And see that that also is weird. It's almost like
maybe the police were involved more than Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Yeah, that just feels odd to me. I don't know.
This whole thing.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
Thing feels wrong.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
And then why get the DOJ involved? I mean, if
you do not trust your your your deputies because you've
never dealt with a crime like this, Yeah, fine, bring
in help, but bring him in initially.
Speaker 11 (51:32):
Yeah, hey, did you get.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
You don't just bring in any random No.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
No, I don't know, but I know how common it
is for small town sheriffs to reach out to the
Department of Justice.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
That seems a little wonky too. Yeah, but and so,
and like I said, almost everybody who has examined this
case has questions about whether or not Bubadet traded what
he knew about organized crime for his freedom right.
Speaker 11 (52:14):
And you've got you do everybody makes a deal where
they walk out some of Mike Groses if they can,
So that's not super surprising.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
And you've got Martin Smart who not only told his
therapist that he killed Sue, but in that letter he
wrote to Maryland he said he had bought her love
with four people's lives. Now, if he's not talking about
the Eddie Cabin people, who's talking to?
Speaker 4 (52:40):
Who is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Man? And that's.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
That's the majority of the reason why I do believe
that they did it. But I believe that there had
to be a specific reason why they did it. And
it might just be that he was trying to buy
her love, but like, well why, but like why, yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Exactually this woman, why would that do it?
Speaker 4 (53:06):
You know?
Speaker 3 (53:06):
That's that's the other thing. It's like, why killing this woman,
her kids and this teenager. Is that what he needs
to do to feel like he's buying his wife ex
wife partners? Love?
Speaker 1 (53:22):
That that just I have a theory. I can't back
it up, but I do have a theory.
Speaker 3 (53:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
My theory is is that Sue was talking to Maryland
and getting Marilyn to because remember, Sue had successfully left an.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Abuser fair enough.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
So Sue was talking to Marilyn telling her how it'd
be hard, but she could walk away.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
So you think the abusive husband did it, or be
partner did it to keep the partner Maryland, from leaving
him altogether.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, to show this is what happens when you leave.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
That's fair. But still, if that was what they were thinking,
then why not arrest at least one of the guys,
you know, make make a deal with the guy that
they want to make a deal with, and arrest one
of the guys. That's the other thing. It's like, why
just leave? The whole thing is just just is just
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it's a hanky case.
Speaker 1 (54:38):
And I know this, like I know that this is
is difficult for you. I mean yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (54:49):
Especially with the whole abuse a situation.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
Violence is really a hot button issue for me. And
we've talked about this frequently, and this is why we
went back and we talk the part of the reason
that I pulled the Judy Varsy case out and episode
the way go check it out back in episode to ten,
which was hard episode for us to record because of
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the death of a young girl and her mother. But
at the same time, the stories still need to be
told because they're a cautionary tale, and women need to
know that they can stand up for themselves, and that
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the more of us that stand up and say this
is not okay, We're not going to just accept that
women are treated as less, that children are treated as less,
the better the chances that things actually improve. And so
it's it's always hard to have these conversations, especially when
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young children twelve year olds lose their life over somebody,
or an eight year old ten year old, when children
lose their lives over something that just makes no sense
and because somebody's jealous or has anger issues or frustrated.
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It's such a shame and it's so heartbreaking and so
life altering that it's just really hard to talk about
and hard to see.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
And it's even what's a bigger part about it is like,
even if you don't kill them, with all the abuse
that happens in the household, or like the abuse that
has happened in the household, mental problems do come from that. Yeah,
Like mental health problems do come from that, And there
are specific like even disorders that people gets, yeah, st
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or like schizophrenia can be obtained from it. It's there's
a bunch of different things that can be obtained from
things like this, And the thing that the whole thing
here is that this was probably really hard for them
to get away from it, and the fact that they.
Speaker 4 (57:16):
Were just brutally murdered after that just.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Makes me so Yeah, it's heartbreaking, just genuinely. It's it's
it's heartbreaking. It's it's oh, what's the word we used
it yesterday?
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Not disappointing, discouraging, No, dismay, No, it's like destructive, distraught, distraught.
Speaker 3 (57:45):
It makes you distraught.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah. The other well, it also reminds me of I
think it was episode eighty three where we talked about
the Sam and Lindsay Porter case here, and oh.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
Yeah, that's another one that it's like if I can't
have them, you can't have them, and there's there's no sense,
there's there's no sense. It just I don't understand that mentality.
I mean, I don't think that most humans do. I
don't believe that most people do that to the point
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where you're willing to put your children on the ground
and basically execute them, which is what happened in that case,
and then lie about it for so many years. Just
it makes no sense to me whatsoever. It's it's nauseating
and frustrating and so unfortunate and unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
It's so unnecessary. I mean, any any murder, any abuse,
is just so unnecessary. Absolutely, it's awful. It's awful that
it still happens to it. And even though the cases
were bad back then, it gets even louder and even
worse nowadays. Right, And it's like, you see these cases
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and you think about where we are in the world,
and it's just like, dang, that's really really awful, for sure,
And like these aren't just these episodes. Aren't just us
talking about a murder and being like, oh, yep, that's
a murder. No, it's us talking about the fact of
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how they might have come to commit this murder and
where all these pent up feelings came from from, like
the other people are just in general.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, And the only other thing that makes sense to me,
but this feels like such a long shot. The only
other thing that might make sense to me is maybe
a child predator was in the area and he wanted Tina,
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but then to go and kill three people, which were
probably the three people that were awake.
Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Yeah, and I can see that a fifteen year old,
a seventeen year old and the mom.
Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
But and then to kidnap the daughter, do what you want,
because all we know that was discovered was bothe.
Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah, if they could tell even how she died or
any of that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
So yeah, I mean, you're if he did something to her,
you're not going to give recovered DNA three years later.
So but man, so much would have to fall in
place for that to work out, And it just doesn't
make sense from a criminal perspective. You get the child
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when they're alone, not when they're at home with their family,
and take it to them.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
To me, there have been plenty of cases of people
going in and taking a child right out of their
bed too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
So yeah. But the thing is with those cases, I.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Almost wonder if one of them, one of the people,
uh Bobuday are smarty Marty smart Marty smarty pants, which
he wasn't very smart. I almost wonder if they took
her away from the scene, did what they wanted with her,
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and then killed her too.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
And I wouldn't put it past them they did. They
didn't seem like good people.
Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
No whoever whoever did it, definitely Yeah, But.
Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Again, there's just so much we don't know and won't
know because the initial investigation was so badly botched.
Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yeah, when you botch an investigation like that, there is
almost nothing you can do forensically that will fix it,
because once you've botched your investigation, once you've botched the
crime scene, that crime scene is forever ruined because it's
not like they're going to come back and commit the
(01:02:23):
crime again.
Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Well, it's to be hoped they don't.
Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Well, not the same crime, like they can't repeat that crime.
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Well, yeah, that's true. And I don't know. I mean,
it's just such a weird it's such a weird case,
and there's so much that's been lost. And I didn't
see when the guy found the hammer. But the investigation
(01:02:57):
discovery thing was in twenty sixteen as well, which is
when the guy found the hammer. So if it was
after that, maybe he had just seen the investigation discovery
thing about it, and that's why he thought, oh, hey,
there's a hammer in this lake. Maybe it's the ham.
Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I don't know, it's just maybe weird. It could be,
but I just thought, I don't know, it's just very odd.
Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
It's very odd.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
To me that just a random person watches the show
be like, oh, I should keep my eye out for
that sees it. Oh look, today's my big day.
Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
I found it here you go.
Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
It definitely could be. It definitely could have been enough
to arrest Barbadet and Smarty Pants or whatever. I'm not
using his real name. I have already decided it's stupid
and I don't want to hear it anyway. But that's
my thoughts on it. I just I think they did it.
(01:04:02):
I do, But some of the things in this investigation
just messed with the whole thing. And they would have
been able to put them behind bars if they genuinely
tried as police and probably most likely didn't mess with
the evidence because the criminals told them to.
Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
And that may be part of it. I mean, it's
a small town. There are connections between people in small town, sure,
I mean, you know, going back to I think.
Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Whether they paid them for it or they were just like, hey,
we'll kill you if you don't.
Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Well, going back to Ken Rex mcfoy, I mean, yeah,
that's a small town murder and we still don't know
who did it because nobody's talking.
Speaker 12 (01:04:49):
Right exactly yes, makes you wonder you know how much
of that is small time, how much of that is
you know, one of the guys obviously had connections to
crime and absolutely could have said, hey, this is what's
going to happen if it doesn't go my way kind.
Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Of thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Yeah, definitely good of them.
Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Well that's our show. Thank you for listening, Thanks for
keeping us in the good pods top one hundred. Thanks
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Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
This is awesome. We love to see new faces, come
hang out with us, talk to us post. We love
to see it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Thanks to Blue, Lexi, Laura and Arfur. You all make
the show wonderful for me each and every week, even
when we have to re recorded. Oh thanks to Bill Barrant.
That last name is spelled b e h R e
n dt. Bill recently had some medical issues, so good
(01:05:59):
to hear he is. He is getting better. He also
is recording a what will be our our comeback message
as Mark Twain for that episode which will be in
about three weeks. Very cool, Yeah, because he did play
him for several years so yeah, but he's a musician.
(01:06:21):
If you need music for any kind of project, Bill's
your guy. You can reach him at Bill Barren at
SBC global dot net. Thanks also to Paige Elmore of
the Reverie Crime podcast page has a canva addiction which
he has combined with her own Arthur's artwork to create
some logo ort for us. Thank you Page, Thank You Page.
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