BIGGEST ADP MOVERS in 2025 Fantasy Football | Risers & Fallers You NEED to Know

📊 The 2025 Fantasy Football landscape is shifting fast! In this episode, we break down the BIGGEST ADP risers and fallers heading into draft season. Find out which players are skyrocketing 🚀 and which are dropping like a rock ⬇️ — and how to take advantage in your leagues.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Ernie, my man, what is going on? And welcome back? Well,
welcome back? What am I saying welcome back for? Dude?
I'm so used to saying welcome back to people because
I have my own podcast. But you know what, I'm
messed up. That's fine. I figured I get you laughing
like Ralph at Bat, like I did yesterday. So we're
gonna have some fun here, you know. Here we are
face off sports Network, we get the lash room going.

(00:32):
I'm Ryan, I'm joined by Ernie, and as we know,
we're gonna be talking the biggest ADP risers and movers
based on draft kings, because you said Draft Kings ADP
is one of the best to have right now, right right, Ernie.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Absolutely, I love their I love their rankings. I think
it's very fair.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah. So it's like I looked at it a little bit.
I'm like, all right, we'll talk about that, but we're
definitely gotta hit something like news and notes first. You know,
it's always something that I always like to look at,
like when I see something coming across the blur, especially
like today about you know, Derrick Henry signing that new
contract two years was it two years? Fifteen million? The
two year, thirty million. Jesus Christ, I can't even speak

(01:10):
with twenty five million guaranteed. Dude, he's thirty years old?
Did he like? Is he like some type of like
taking some fountain of youth?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
What the hell? Like?

Speaker 1 (01:22):
I don't get it. Thirty years old? Like he's beaten
the age apex. I don't care what anyone's saying. Two
more years dominant running back, five point nine yards per carry?
Are you still buying Derrick Henry right now?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I am? After that commitment, I definitely am. And so
I'm a big analytics guy, and I appreciate the gms
that do use the analytics because, like it's true, running
backs at the age of twenty seven, post twenty seven,
they do fall off right, and the chances of injury
are much higher. That's all very real. However, then you

(01:57):
have these specimens, like you said, the fountain of youth.
I just personally think, like you look at Derrick Henry
and you look at Saquon Barkley, and it's like, all right,
this guy's built like the black panther. So his genetics
are probably a little bit different than the average Joe.
So I think that's why you're seeing this explosion again,

(02:18):
it's the talent. You know, you have Barkley on a
run first team with an awesome offensive line. You have
Derick Henry on a run first team with a good
offensive line, right, And I understand why people are afraid
to pay running backs, and they have been in the past,
but now you're seeing some teams kind of shell out
a little money because at the end of the day,
when you have a team like Baltimore and yes, Derrick

(02:40):
Henry is thirty years old, man, and he's got a
metal plate in his foot, right, it doesn't matter because
they're in win now mode and they know that they're
going to run him into the ground and there is
some juice left. You know. The same thing with Saquon
You saw that recommitment after they won the Super Bowl.
So yeah, I just think you have these these backs
that kind of five you know, the analytics, because they're

(03:03):
just they're just built different.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Man.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
They're they're they're you know, we're Whitney seeing some of
the greatest running backs of all time in my opinion,
So yeah, definitely, once I saw the Ravens recommitted, I
would definitely, especially in Redraft, I think Derrick Henry is
a smash pick this.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Year very immediately, just like DJ say, like, you know,
Dereck Henry is a cyborg, and I was just gonna
say saying they do. He's like RoboCop. He's like the Terminator.
You know, he's a T one thousand. What bulls my
mind about him. Here's the staff from PFF among all
running backs in twenty twenty four, Derrick Henry ninety three
point five yard or ninety three point five rushing grade

(03:37):
first one and thirty seven yards after contact, first eighty
one missed tackles forced, first ninety three first down rushes
and guess what that finish says first exactly the number
one were running back dude, well paid, well deserved. I'm
happy for him. And based on the ADP and we're you,

(04:00):
we're looking at DraftKings ADP. If you guys are curious
about best ball, they have Dereck Henry at the back
end of the first round, pick eleven. If everything says
true and he still has his fountain of youth, which
I still believe in, I'm hitting the smash at the
turn there, especially at the back end of the first round,
because I feel like that the running backs are great there,

(04:21):
but even like after that churn, like you can get
you know, Christian McCaffrey. You could have a possibility of
having Derrick Henry and Christian McCaffrey on the same team,
which is like something that's never heard of because Christian
McCaffrey going at twelve right now just seems nutting. I
feel like, you know, people are kind of tripping on
that because it's like, all right, yeah, we got bit
in the butt last year on Christian McCaffrey. I'm one

(04:43):
of those owners, or I was one of those managers
who took them one on one. You know, that upside's
too high. But if I'm able to get both of
them right now, man easy smashed.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, absolutely, Well, dude, the mistink was you didn't handcuff
yourself with Jordan Mason. I'm just kidding. Yeah, a lot
of people got burned with CMC. Again, he's an amazing player.
The tendonitis, the achilles tendonitis already had. It was just
a weird injury, you know, and I think it caught

(05:13):
a lot of people off guard because I remember going
into the season they were like, oh, like, you know,
he's kind of got something mild and then all of
a sudden, it's like, oh, yeah, like he needs to
go to Germany and meet with the specialists. And it's like, dude,
like we already did all our drafts, so yeah, no,
I like that because if you can get you know,
CMC and Derrick Henry, right, and they're both you know,

(05:35):
they both a healthy year, right, which I have more
confidence than Derrick Henry. He's a tank, you know. But
if you get CMC to stay healthy, man, yeah, dude, Like, like,
I agree with your logic, that would kind of be nuts.
One of the guys that I'm targeting in that section.
I think a good combo would be Derrick Henry and
Nico Collins. Like I think Nico Collins. I believe his

(05:58):
ADP is like thirteen right now. Yes him. To me,
he is like one of my absolute favorite targets. Like
you look at his PFF grade. I think he's top
three if I'm not mistaken. He was on pace to
break two thousand yards in his first four weeks right

(06:19):
right before he got that hamstring injury. And I think
because you know, he was hurt and he didn't get
to put together a full season, his value is kind
of you know, by low if you will, because you
look at the receivers going in the first round, and
I feel like you can make an argument that Nico
Collins could be going over a lot of these guys,

(06:40):
like I'm a big Puka nakuas Stan, right, but they
also they just got DeVante Adams, you know what I mean.
If you look at the Texans, I know who's CJ. Stroud.
If c J. Stroud's playing, I know who he's going
through early and often every game. He doesn't even have
his best friend Tank Doll anymore. And they got two
rookies like Higgins is nice, Noel is nice. They're good
football players, you know, right, But I know for a

(07:03):
fact like Nico Collins is going to be a target
hawk you know where It's like will Puka still probably
be the undisputed wide receiver one there? Of course, right,
But you know McVeigh is really high on Adams. You know,
I was watching a clip on the Rams the other day,
and you know they they're going to utilize fuck the
Adams like they have a plan. They're showing his film

(07:24):
to other teammates. So my whole point is is that
when you get an alpha wide receiver that's you know,
top five at their position according to PFF, is the
really only good veteran on their team, right, and you
know that he's produced at an elite level before. I
think it's a smash pick.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh absolutely, absolutely love it, love it, love it. And
I can back up one hundred percent. One thing. I
have a hard time trying to back up it. And
you know I talked about this early on the phone,
is you know, Derek Carr retiring. How the heck do
we feel about like the Saints in general?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Dude? I mean, so there's so many ways this can go,
but how I most likely see it, Like if I'm
just using logic, right, the new offensive coordinator is nuss Meyer, Right,
that's Garrett Nussmeyer's father, And Garrett Nussmeyer is a blue

(08:18):
chip quarterback prospect. And it's also in a draft class
where there's two other blue chip quarterback prospects. Now that
could still change, like there could be some risers, you
know what I mean. You have Archie Manning, Drew Aller,
Garrett Nussmeyer, and if you look at the landscape of
the NFL, I think, you know, two teams really stick

(08:38):
out to me the most and that's the Saints and
the Giants in terms of you know, like again, like
the Giants have some pieces, right, but you look at
the roster and it's like, I can't see this team
winning more than five games. But the only team that
I feel is like has a worst roster is the Saints.
You know, and they did make an investment in that

(09:01):
quarterback that went in the second round, but I I
think that they will be tanking, you know, without saying it,
because first of all, the schedule. You look at their schedule,
they're gonna lose a lot of games, you know, and
why would you bring in a new head coach an

(09:22):
oc that has a son that's a highly rated quarterback
in this upcoming draft. So part of me wants to
stay away from the Saints altogether because I could see
them being sellers at the trade deadline. Like I could
see Alvin Kamara like they find a team, you know,
and I understand he just got a new contract, you know,

(09:43):
but there could be a team like Kansas City where
it's like, okay, Kamara would eat you know, they need
a boost the wrong game. Butcheco hasn't been himself, you know.
Some some legit contenders, But I just think they're gonna
be down every game. The only player that I would
be buying is Chris o'lave. I think he'll eat in
Kellam Moore's offense. You know, I think they're gonna be

(10:06):
down every game, so they're gonna be chucking, you know,
they gotta throw the ball to somebody. But how I'm
feeling about the Saints not to be a hater, I
just don't think they're gonna be too good. I think
they're set up to, you know, get a top three
pick in next year's class. I think they're happy with that.
I really do.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, Like look at Al Kamaro. Though he's going to
his age thirty, they can actually cut him this season
right now, and it'd be it's a huge dead cat pit.
And I told you it's like I feel like the
Saints are the team that always just kicks kicking the
can the year after year. Like they tried so hard
to get Drew Brees something that was actually valuable to
just try to get to the super Bowl, and it

(10:45):
works in like the late two thousands, but after that,
it just never works and they just keep kicking the
can and resigning players like they won't do a true
like rebuild, like tear it all down, start it all over.
They're always in a huge captain undrum and looking at
their contract, Like Alvin Kamara's contract right now, his dead
cat money is freaking ridiculous right now this year, dude,

(11:07):
twenty eight point three, three five, come on, like like
good for him, good, good for Alvi Kamar to get paid,
Like I'm glad, but to set yourself your franchise up
for ahead of twenty eight point three and then thinking like,
oh well, then twenty six can't be that much worse.
Twenty six is just as bad, you know, eighteen point
two come on, so you know you have almost basically

(11:31):
you can say, around fifty million wrapped up just in
dead camp in two years if you just do anything
with Alvin Kamara. Now I'm not sure what his exactly,
what trade clause is, it's allowed to be traded, but
based on sports track, it's like, my gosh, man, like
the Saints are just stupid. And then like one of
my friends he's definitely a big Saints fan, and he's

(11:51):
like they just need to end it, tear it all
down and start all over. And I think I think
Saints fans would possibly be fine with that. If there's
any Saints fans on here, let me know, not quite shirt,
so uh, we'll see what happens with that one. But yeah,
the whole pilot shot thinging too, Like that's the one
that blows my mind. Like people are like, oh, yeah,

(12:12):
you know, definitely go for him in your rookie draft.
You know he's usually a second round pick. Have you
ever seen him play. He's the same age as brock Party,
so twenty four. Yeah, age isn't this thing, but you know,
he came the same class as I was. I think
it was even Trevor Lawrence is in that same class, right,
remember correctly, and shall has a tendency to throw interception.

(12:33):
It's very good at throwing picks. And this team is
going to struggle if I'm going to go after anyone
this team. You like crys Olave, I like Taysom Hill. Yeah,
Taysom Hill is one of those late round tight ends.
I would be all over, So I would definitely be
looking to target him, especially if he can be double position.

(12:53):
Hopefully he goes just tight end. But if he gets
tight end, man, I mean that's just a weapon that
is definitely good and great get spy, especially super late.
Like let me see here real quick, I'm gonna jump
over to the ADP to kind of steward yea, and
he's well past one hundred. I can tell you that much.
Oh yeah, let's see here. I don't think he'll be

(13:16):
around two hundred. Taysom Hill comes in at one e two,
so he's around two hundred. Basically, he's your last round
pick for sure. I am. I'm smashing all day long
if I If I need to get a team that
needs a defense or a kicker, and I can pass
on him, this is the point where I'm doing it.
But like for Best ball leagues, I would definitely be
all over Taysom Hill right now. I mean going around him,

(13:37):
just alone. Like these are players that are around him,
Alec Pierce, Keenan Allen has no team Hunter, Henry right,
Jileen Nowell. You know a rookie Joshua Palmer A great story,
but yeah, nothing's happened. Drome Ford a whole new backfield
with Quinchawn Jenkins and ye Dylan Sampson. So why not

(13:58):
go after something that has potential side instead of saying no, well,
these guys could hit, but I don't want any of
those guys, so I'm hitting a hard pass on those
for sure.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I couldn't agree with you more. Man. I think I
think there's a lot of teams that would be happy
with a reset, you know, And I think you hit
on the head. Like Saints fans, they're definitely one of them.
I'm a Giants fan. I would be happy with a reset,
like give me, give me Bill Belichick and Archie Manning,
you know what I mean, And like I hadn't. Bill

(14:30):
Belichick is old, right, but dude, he is still Bill Belichick.
And it's like if he could come in here, produce
a winning culture, win a championship, and then you know,
sets up a nice foundation for the next guy to
come in, that's a win win. I'm sure the Saints
would want the same thing, you know. So it really
comes down to it's like, you know, you look at

(14:50):
the Sixers, you know years ago, trust the process, trust
the process, right, and they tank and they get all
it's the same logic, man, Like you gotta be real
with yourself sometimes and it's like, all right, like our
roster is terrible. We can get a blue chip quarterback
in this upcoming draft. Let's you know, we're in the
cellar one more year, but the healing begins next year, right,

(15:10):
And that's what every fan wants, man. They want a quarterback,
they want the hope, you know, they want a good GM,
you know, building the trenches. So I'm with you. And
as for your Taysom Hill pick, yeah, dude, Like, if
you miss out on one of the premiere tight ends
early and now you kind of loaded up on wide
receiver running back, you got your quarterback set, you're gonna
have to take some dart throws late at tight d

(15:34):
So that's where it's like, I think you hit it
on the head where it's like the Saints are gonna
be such a messy offense and they're gonna be down
pretty much every game. Right, They're gonna be chucking the ball,
and it's like, Okay, who's gonna benefit from that chrys
oal lava Tasom Hill?

Speaker 1 (15:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
So it's like I think Taysom Hill could be a
great value definitely late man. And I'm sure he's gonna
have some boom weeks. You know, he's gonna run a
touchdown in at the goal line, you know, and boom
there you have twenty points right there, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
And then we had a friend asked, it's Pete completely
still going to be on the show, so he sweet
that he was leaving, And sorry to say, Asus Spade,
but uh, Pete has left and we wish him the best.
But he will definitely be doing be hopefully be pretty
successful as NEXTICG with what he's doing. Oh here's another
great one man. So Ryan asked, ten team Dynasty win, Now,

(16:28):
would you send Olave for Henry? My other running backs
are Breeze, Jacob's Kamara etn Remandre.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Thanks Breeze, Jacobs are Remandre. Here's the thing, if he
could get Henry Anna pick, I would be more inclined
to do that because here's where it kind of gets murky, right,
and it's like, Derrick Henry, there's a very very very

(16:59):
strong possibility league he finish his top ten this year
barring any injury. Fantasy production for a running back. But
then it's like, okay, you have Chris Olave. He's twenty four, right,
we know he's a stud that's been affected by bad teams,
no quarterback play. Let's say the Saints do have the
number one pick next year and they draft Archieyer and

(17:19):
usmar Now you're gonna be hating yourself a little bit
because Chris Olave's value just skyrocketed, you know what I mean?
And now you're gonna see that Chris Olave everybody was
hyping up only two years ago, you know, right. Yeah,
so that's a tough one. I wouldn't. I think I
would be more inclined to trade Jacobs.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
You think the shapon is basically more like an a
one year deal here.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Oh wait, he wants he wants to trade. Wait, he's
trading a Lave and he'd Henry, and he would get
Henry and those are the running backs he has. Yeah,
you know what.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
If he win now, he wants to win now.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
He wants to win now. Then if he will does it?
Do that? Man? Then I would trade o Lave. If
he's so gun hole on winning now, I would trade
o' lave for Henry and try to get you know,
some picks with him.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
You get a second.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, absolutely, I would, you know, aim high as for
the first you know, the kid might get it. There's
I haven't been a ton of dynasty leagues where people
give picks away like if they're free. But yeah, at
least at least the second, you know, because you're gonna get,
you know, realistically, one more good year, maybe two from

(18:32):
Derrick Henry because eventually, eventually the Beast is gonna have
to go down too.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
We gotta be careful when we say, like, you know,
arch Manning coming out, because there's no guarantee that he
will come out next year depending on who has that
first pick. You know, we've seen many stories like el
A Manning. Look at him, you know, you know, the
Charger one, We're gonna draft him, he said, don't draft
Hi'm not gonna play for you. What happens they draft him?
Then what happens? That's the what was it? The Giants

(19:00):
drafted Philip Rivers and then they traded So what what
benefit was that? You know? If arch Manning doesn't come out,
then what you know, you know what, Smider takes a
step back. Like I feel like it's always easier to say,
like we got to be careful of who this number
one quarterback is because look at your Joe Burrow came
out the year prior to that. He wasn't even like
on the raidar. He was more of a six round

(19:22):
pick free agent that was going to be out now,
you know, So, like I'm waiting to see who this
next quarterback is going to pop out. I don't think
it's gonna be arch Manning as the number one overall pick.
I think it's gonna be someone that's not even listed yet.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
My thing with Rgie Manning is I personally believe him
and his family came out and said that because they
want to use it as a buffer. Right. So it's like,
now like we could tell, like, Eli, like you brought
up a perfect example, right, Eli, I bet if they
could redo it, they would almost do like something similar, right,
Because now Archie's in the position where him and his

(19:57):
family could scan the team's year one so they you
could see who's picking in the top five. And it's like,
do I like any of these teams enough to enter
the draft?

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
And let's say it's you know, three teams that they
don't want to play for at all. Now Archie could say,
you know what, I'm I'm gonna stay one more year.
I'm gonna you know, soak up some more NIL money
and and and and that's it. But yeah, no, nothing
nothing is guaranteed at all. You know, some of these
guys could take a step back, and then there's gonna

(20:29):
be guys like you said, like Joe Burrow took a
massive step forward and became the first overall pick. So
people definitely have to be you know, careful. I me, personally,
I'm very bullish on next year's quarterback prospects. I think
Aler's gonna be a stud. I think Nussa Meyer is
going to be a stud. And I love Archie Manning.

(20:50):
I'm a guy that I think when Archie Manning declares,
he will be the first overall pick. But to your point,
it's all speculation, man, none of this is guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
No, it's way too early. I mean I always do, like,
you know, like a early look at rookies that are
coming in the following class, like usually sometime in October,
and then I revised it again, like look back at
it like in February, in uh March time before the draft,
and see how much it changes. And it changes dramatically,
like you know, players who said they were like, oh, yeah,

(21:21):
this guy comes out, man, you know he's a guaranteed
first round pick, like uh, like last season I was
all about like Trevion Henderson and then sure enough, you know,
he's went back. But what happened again, Treviaan Henderson still
went in the first round of your rookie draft right now,
so he didn't actually lose any value. He actually gained value.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
So all right, man, moving on, we're gonna hit up
the DraftKings ADP and looking at one of the first ones,
and I can't express this enough. I'm gonna hit you
with this one because you know, I kind of bounce
back before saying, you know, we're gonna kind of go
over round by round, kind of get some players we're
gonna I'm looking at the number seven overall player and

(22:00):
that's ash and genty. Is that too high for a
rookie running back to go right now? That out of
boys of state going to the Las Vegas Raiders. Is
it actually someone that you're actually willing to draft that
high or is it someone that you're willing to pass
on and let it be someone else's possible headache.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on Ashton Jenny. I'm a
Gentie fan. I thought his Bowl game versus Penn State really,
you know, should have got rid of any doubts. If
this kid can play, he definitely can play listen. The
reality is he plays in the AFC West, which in
my opinion, is the best division in football. You have

(22:40):
the Chiefs, the Chargers, the Broncos. The Chargers of Broncos
are both about to take massive steps right now. So
Pete Carroll into the mix, who is an awesome coach,
Like the Raiders are going to be scrappy. However, you
know your offense is Gino Smith. You don't have a
you know fully the filled offensive line right, there's a

(23:02):
lot of holes in their offensive line. You have a
rookie wide receiver and Jacoby Myers. So it's like, I
think everybody knows you're gonna give Aston Jenny a monster workload,
and I think he would be a volume king his
first year. You know he's gonna get a ton of touches,
a lot of volumes. Always see that in Pete Carroll's teams.

(23:22):
But I just think for the players, like on the board,
like give me Nico Collins over Ashton gent all day.
I'll do that, and then I'll take like Amorian Hampton
in the fourth or fifth round, you know what I mean?
Because it's like I don't think. And again, I love Genty, right,

(23:43):
I'm just going off of landing spot where they're being
drafted right now. I don't think he's worth the price tag, right,
And it's like Hampton, You're going on a better team
that you know is going to pound a football like
Harbro is going to run the ball all day, every day, right.
And Hampton is probably one of the most athletic running

(24:07):
backs in this class. So I don't think his value
is that far off. And you're getting him, you know,
three four rounds later, possibly again, can Naji Harris come
in and you know be annoying? I mean he could,
But I watched Omar and Hampton play football at UNC,

(24:28):
and this kid reminded I think he's a cone of
Nick Chubb, Like I think that's who the Chargers got
in Hampton. So I am definitely not taking genty at
his price tag, not for me.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
So I'm a huge o'maraon Hampton stands hand right now
because I learned something about him prior to going to
North Carolina. There was a coach that's currently in the
NFL that tried recruiting him, and he chose North Carolina
over this team. Do you know who I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Tell me it's Harborough Michigan.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Hard and he turned it down, so he figured I
can't get him here. I can at least get him
there now here. Here we are at the Chargers and
he now has his running back. He tried to get.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Dude, Ryan, That's actually an awesome nugget. I didn't I
didn't know that. And I right now, like some of
my friends hate me how much of an O'mari and
Hampton stan I am. But the fact that that's real,
I'm now telling everybody please please draft Omari and Hampton,
I think honestly, and last year if you said this,

(25:33):
you would have been called crazy, if you were like
leak neighbors should go ahead of Marvin Harrison Junior. Right,
everybody would have sway, you're nuts, Yeah, right, And they're
both phenomenal prospects and players. The reality is is that
you know, these guys going to a little bit better
landing spots, you know what I mean. And I'm starting

(25:57):
to get the same vibe with these two, Like I
think there's a very real world where Hampton outproduces Jenti
this year, you know, and it's just mirroring last year,
you know, where again you took Marvin Harrison in Dynasty.
First overall, that's still an amazing pick. He's going to
break out in a monstrous way in the near future.

(26:20):
Could be this year, could be the next year. Sometimes
these guys take, you know, three years, like Nico Collins
was a year three breakout, right, But I like, dude,
I love from Omarion Hampton's raz to the Landing Spot
to his production in College the film. You know, I
just think this is like a dream scenario. So I

(26:42):
am with you, dude. I am a huge Amaron Hampton
stand and I think you want to talk about smash pick.
He might be my favorite fourth round best ball pick
right now, seriously, because I think, dude, if nause he
isn't annoying and Harborough uses him like a bell cow,

(27:03):
I don't see how he doesn't finish as a top
ten running back. I honestly don't like cause it's like
just off the volume alone. And you look at the Chargers, like, dude,
they have Slater Joe Alt like, so that's like arguably
because you look at Philly, Philly has number one offensive
line in the league. But in terms of like a

(27:24):
young rising offensive line, like the Chargers are right there. Dude,
so like they're gonna be able to run the football
at will. Like Harborough has been preparing for this, like
that's why last year he didn't take Neighbors, he took
Joe Alt and he came out with that quote where
he's like, oh, don't you like when you know we
could just run the ball whenever we won, the defense
gets long breaks, you know, isn't that nice? And that

(27:45):
was his philosophy on why I'm gonna take an offensive lineman.
So he's been gearing up for this man. And I'm
with you, dude, Amarion Hampton all day, would love gent
not buying him at the seven ADP no shot.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
No way, way too high. And I'm trying to look
real quick to see exactly where justin oh, Justin Herbert,
he's been after pick one hundred right now since we're
on the Chargers pick one hundred that's back in QB.
He's going after uh Brock, He's going, yeah, after Brock
Purty and just before c. J. Shroud Dak Prescott. So

(28:21):
nice late round quarterback. I am definitely smashing on right there.
I mean I understand that, yeah, we're gonna drop up
it down here, but I figured since we were on
the OMRI Inhampton. I was like, like, we're Justin Herbert
is because no, I'm one hundred percent behind you on that.
They had both of that offensive line. They got him
another they gotta they got Justin Herbert two more weapons,
you know, and Trey Harris also, yes, let's not forget yes,

(28:44):
and then also signed a couple veteran tight ends so
to help him out even more. That running game is
gonna be good, and a good running game leads to
a good passing game and the rest is all history
from there.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, dude, No, I'm actually happy you brought those two
players up, Harris and Justin Herbert. I'm about when we're
done talking, I'm gonna send you a screechh out of
my last three best ball drafts. Dude. My favorite thing
is so will be like one hundred. That's like what
round eight I believe, right eight or nine. I have

(29:16):
been taking Herbert and Shrey Harris on that wrap around
every draft I can do right now, First of all,
I love Harborough. I don't know if you saw this
the other day, he said he woke up in the
middle of the night and he just goes, I have
to get Justin Herbert into the Hall of Fame, which
is hilarious, but it makes you love him, you know.

(29:37):
But if you look at the Chargers, who I am
extremely bullish on the Chargers, It's like it's almost unfortunate
because I love every team in the AFC West right now,
like just from like a football stand fanpoint, like it's
like I'm literally watching like three really good gladiators going
to a pit and kill each other, you know, and
unfortunately there can only be one winner. Chargers are loading up, dude,

(30:01):
like they are loading up. And I am I was
a Lad McConkie truth last year that was one of
my big through my big three rookie sleepers that were
going later in drafts, like after round five, Brian Thomas, JSN,
Lad mcconki and because Lad McConkie, why he's going into
Keenan Allen's slot role. But now you know Trey Harris

(30:25):
who that is? Trey Harris is one of my favorite
receivers in this draft, right and Harborough is tempted to
take him in the first round, right and Horrace was like, no,
like trust the trust yep growing on the running back,
he goes trust the board. We're gonna get Harris, that's
our guy. We're to get them around two, and they

(30:47):
were all nervous, but it actually worked out fell to them.
Their department did great, And I think that is going
to be a Grand Slam pick, not a home run
Grand Slam, Like I think Trey Harris is going right
into that. Mike Williams xtual and yeah, I saw that
they brought Mike Williams back. Personally, I'm not too worried.
From a fantasy standpoint. I think Mike Williams is a

(31:09):
better real life addition, right to like the Chargers team
than a threatning fantasy. The guy's old, right, Like, I
think he's just good depth, there's a familiarity there and
he's very injury pro where it's like Trey Harris. Like
you look at Trey Harris's stats before he got hurt,
he was like first in everything. So now you're getting

(31:32):
Justin Herbert, who I think it was like two years
ago he was like the second pick in super flex leagues,
like he was going right after Josh Allen, you know,
and everybody expected this major explosion and it didn't happen.
So now the value has kind of gone down a
little bit, and I get that, but this is where
you buy law, right, because now it's a different story.

(31:53):
You have the offensive line, you have the coach, you
have the running game, and now they have two really
good receivers, Like I think Trey Harris is going to
make just as big of an impact as Lad McConkie did.
I would not be shocked if you see Trey Harris
go for one thousand yards this year. And then in
the fifth round they drafted Gadson, the tight end from Syracuse.

(32:18):
Very athletic tight end. He's a receiving tight end. But
what was interesting to me was Horace traded up for him.
So he is like, they traded up for this guy
in the fifth round. They said it was one of
their guys. Harborough was like, we have a plan for
you for day one to come in and make an impact.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Oh oh really with us Ernie on that one. Let's
see if he comes back here in one second. If not,
I'm gonna jump ahead and look at one player I'm
definitely not really high on. And that's divine a chain.
That's because you know, second round, I think we're kind
of buying more into what he did last season, and

(32:58):
I don't see a repeat of that with into this season.
I see this more as a Jalen Wattle type season,
just because I mean, look at like they're trying to
It's almost like you feel like they're almost trying to
replace them with other running backs, you know, Jayalen right there,
w turn out. Well, let's see. I think Ernie's coming back. Nope,
he ain't coming back up there he is up. Nope,

(33:20):
there he's gone.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Sorry lost you for a second.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I say, we got you back. I jumped down the
Devin a chance since you left as a someone who
I think should be falling. Am I falling too much
for the hype because of all the running backs that
keeps drafting over there and down there in Miami? Or
is it something that should be seen because you know,
go seventeenth overall, I think is his peak. I don't

(33:48):
see him being as a solid RB one. I mean,
you can draft measure RB one, but I feel like
he's just gonna fall down.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I do. I'm sorry, I lost you. I lost you
for a second where you're saying out of my phone
like SPADs out.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh devon a change?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:06):
And like so they the right last year. They drafted
Ali Gordon this year, which you know, which the rising
star that in the fantasy community as a top end
running back who faltered this past season. And it's like, yeah,
all right, Mike McDaniel, I understand like he's a late
round running back, but Devan a change was a little
bit more higher draft capital. I feel like this is

(34:29):
like they're trying to move on from him or trying
to have more rotational back, like drafting him as an
RB one. I don't think he has an RB one capability.
I still think he's more RB two piles b RB three.
I think last year was an anomaly where he was
actually able to perform because he had such those big runs.
Those big runs was what I helped him. Yes, if
you know, and defenses change every year. They understand you

(34:51):
better as a player. You're in and you're out. So
just because you think he didn't wonder he's not going
to do it this year. I don't think he's going
to do it this year. Am I crazy for thinking that?
And thinking they he's also too high going in the
second round?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
No, dude, I think you're smart. I love it. It's
contrarian and you know you'll get killed right now. If
you're like, oh, I don't think a Chan is a
top five running back, I don't.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Has nothing to do with the talent. He's obviously a
PPR treasure chest right, Like he catches the ball, he
does everything. McDaniels is a very creative offensive coordinator. However,
you look at the landscape of the Dolphins, right, and
they they've added some quiet backs behind him, like you
have Jalen right last year. Well, I actually think he's

(35:33):
a solid football player, Olie Gordon who is a stud
at Oklahoma State, and now you have Tua. Right. That's
my biggest concern because it's like, all right, man, like
Tua like has nothing to do with the person. It's
just like with your medical concerns. How much longer are

(35:55):
you going to play? And like I know the team's
support of saying like, oh, we're not worried about his
health or whatever. I mean, Dude, I personally think he's
one more concussion away from never playing. And you look
at a chain's numbers when two is not playing. Dude,
he's a flex you know what I meant. I don't
know if I want a running back that's tied to

(36:18):
Tua's health, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's where
it's like, all right, because then you're gonna have Quinn
viewers come in. And I love Quinn ewers. I think
he's a solid quarterback, as Brian tweeted, oh he's the
next Dan Marino, right, but what are the odds of
that really happening? Probably very slim. So now it's like, Okay,
you're gonna rely on a rookie quarterback leading an offense

(36:38):
and being productive. I think there's too much risk for
me with a chain. Again, He's like if Tua, if
somebody came down from heaven and was like, hey, man,
like Tua is playing all seventeen games this year, I
would be more inclined to take a chain. I just
don't know. And I think a lot of his numbers
are inflated from the big he's again, you can't take

(37:01):
that from him because the coach is scheming it. He
has that big play home run ability. But it's just
somebody that I don't feel the safest in investing. You know,
every year you have these guys that burn you, right,
and it's people that we never expect. It's always players
that you would never expect to burn you, and they do.
So I agree with you man completely on a chain.

(37:23):
His value like his you know, his price tag and
the risks that come with him not for me.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
And I'm want to eat craw on this one too,
because I could see him starting off strong. They wrap
up the beginning of the season, you know, dominant, putting
up everyone numbers and anyone's and look at me and say, see,
like you were wrong. But as soon as two goes
down or anything happens to on offense, he's He's in
a flounder. I mean, his very last game was against
the Browns. He had like ten carries for twenty five yards.
They're telling me a two point five yards you know

(37:53):
average carry is really good. No, it's not good at all.
That doesn't help you get fantasy points at all. So
I'm definitely out on him.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
The last thing the cherry on top with him is like, dude,
like tier defense too. Dude, he weighs like one hundred
and eighty pounds, Like he's not built, but he's a
great football player.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I'm not hating God, Devin h Chen. I'm just like
with you man, where it's like there's way too much risk.
You know, his size to his health, Like, does that
all sound like a safe investment to me? It doesn't.
But no, you know teaches.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Them And if you have him, are you draft him
in your rear drafts? Here, I'd be willing to trade
him after that big first game because you'll be getting
a ransom form.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yep, if you got any Dolphins fans take advantage.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Absolutely absolutely all right looking on him through here? Oh wow,
Devonde Adams pick thirty six, the thirty two year old
wide receiver still has high ADP. Are you buying that?
Are you selling? Or do you think you should drop more?
Or is this going up? I think actually I think
this is going up. I think you hands around pick
prior to this.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, dude, I I love Davante Adams. I am. This
hurts me to say because like the Rams in the
NFC are one of my Super Bowl picks this year,
Like I usually picked like three from each side that
I could see going all the way. The Rams are
one of them. Like I love the Rams. I love
Less Sneed. I think less Need is a dog like dude.

(39:18):
That guy is such a savage as a GM. And
just like his ability to draft late like, dude, if
you play fantasy football, how do you not respect this guy?
Poka Nakulah, Kiren Williams, like, dude, the list goes on right,
and Sean McVeigh, dude, he's like coming from somebody that
used to play sports. That's a guy I would die for.

(39:38):
Like that's a coach I would literally die for, Like
he's the man. So I love the Rams. I am
unfortunately out on the Yvonte Adams again because it's not
the player. He's an amazing player. I think it's awesome
for the Rams. In real life. However, Poka Nakula, I
think is a dog. Like I think Pooka Nakula is

(40:00):
easily one of the best receivers in the NFL. McVeigh
knows it. I don't think Devonte Adams is going to
change that. I do think Davonte will have solid numbers.
You know, he could be a nine hundred, right, maybe
a thousand. Do you see him putting up wide receiver
one numbers? I don't. I think if anything, this benefits

(40:24):
Matt Stafford, who is going like I think one forty seven.
He might be a nice bilo now, because now you
got Puka Nakula and DeVante Adams, right, so he's gonna
be able to, like, you know, McVeigh is a genius dude,
so he's going to be able to you know, cut
teams apart. But I just don't think you know, you're

(40:44):
talking about you said like thirty five or thirty six,
like that is a fourth round pick, you know, and
you might be getting you know, lower end wide receiver
two production where it's like I'd rather take Rashie Rice there, like, yeah,
like Rashie Rice is coming off an ACL injury, right,
But I know if Rossie Rice is playing Week one

(41:05):
and his court case, like if that gets what I
read is actually really a viability that it gets, it
gets pushed back, give me Roshie Rice because I know
what Rossie Rice is gonna do. I think DeVante Adams
name is kind of inflating his his not only his value,

(41:25):
but the situation that he's in because you know, you
replace him with some other receivers and you take away
the name DeVante Adams, You're not drafting that player in
the fourth round, you know. So I think it's better,
better for the Rams, better for Matt Stafford. Me personally,
I don't find myself drafting Davante Adams only because I

(41:47):
think he's gonna be the wide receiver too in a
good offense. So again, dude, he could smash you know,
I'm not saying that he can't. I could be completely wrong.
I just think he's gonna be second fiddle.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Oh yeah, absolute. I feel like they overpaid for him,
but like he wanted to get paid one last time.
You know, he's at the he still has that Pea
performance where he still looks good. But was that more
of an Aaron Rodgers type of thing, you know, because
it showed that, yeah, he struggled in uh Vegas a
little bit. Right, It's like that that Ruggs gotta come
out here soon. I mean, look at Antonio Brown. You

(42:19):
know he was at Pea performance and then turned thirty
and then went downhill sam with Julio Jones. You know,
he was dominating and then wha did you get traded to.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Tennessee Tennessee?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah, and then just fell off like everyone was like,
oh my god. You know, but everyone was still viewing
him as a high end wide receiver too. He fell off.
DeAndre Hopkins, you know, he hasn't been the same either
since he's been traded. Yeah. Like these wide receivers will
have their games and they'll be like, oh, yeah, well
he put a wide receiver one. Okay, you can put
up a wide receiver one this week, but next week
you put up two points. What does that tell you?
You're you're inconsistent thing Like we could say with Cooper Cup,

(42:56):
I feel like Cooper Cup and Devontams are almost like
the same. You know, they have similar target share, but
Cooper Cup definitely fell off all lot last season, and
it showed like, yeah, he would get he was still
getting twelve to fifteen targets, but he couldn't do anything
with him. He was only maybe catching half that best.
So I feel like the end is near and I
really be out a year early than a year too

(43:16):
late on DeVante Adams, And this is the year I
am out on DeVante Adams.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Dude, I'm in complete sync with you, man. I couldn't
agree more. I've noticed that in the fantasy community that
name value really is a big driver in people's opinions,
Like when you say like, oh, I don't want you know,
like I think Mike Evans is another great example. It's
probably one of my favorite receivers ever a complete dog.

(43:42):
Like this is why I have no problem saying it
because I'm a Mike Evans fan. But like, dude, he's
eventually gonna fall off. Like the analytics are very real,
you know, right, and they're more accurate than like you
have the anomalies like like we were talking before Derrick
Henry Saquon Barkley. Right, the reality is is you're right, dude,
Like the Rams just know that, Okay, Like we almost

(44:05):
beat the Eagles in Philadelphia. If Kyraen Williams doesn't fumble,
we probably win that game and we're playing in the
Super Bowl, so they know that they have the team
to make a rum this year, right, And I think
that's what Devonte Adams was. I think it's like, Okay,
I again, I'm gonna give you know, my two boys
McVeigh less need the benefit of the doubt because I'm

(44:26):
against paying older household names because the what's most likely
to happen is you get that major falloff, you know
what I mean, Like Tennessee what threw a second round
pick for Julio and I get it, But you're acting
like you're getting like, you know, twenty seven year old
Julio Jo's nah, man, you're getting a very old, washed
down version. Yes, So I think the fantasy community needs

(44:52):
to get better at like checking players' ages. Right. And
it's like, dude, if you have a receiver like Mike
Evans that went off last year, right, and you have
somebody in your league offering you something valuable like a
first round pick or whatever, do it because he's not
going to be playing that much longer. It's the same
thing you're saying with Deavante Adams, you know, like Davonte Adams.

(45:15):
If I had Davante Adams, this would be the last
year I kept him, right. If you don't, I personally
I would trade him. I would try to, like, you know,
get some upside, some youth, but you know you could
hold him this year. He should have a solid year
of bounce back year because you went from what the
Raiders and Jets to now McFee Stafford. So yeah, I'm

(45:38):
with you, dude. I would sell high while everybody's still
drawn into the name, because I feel like these names
are just gonna inflate these old players values for sure.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yeah, the REPI King forever. He was even saying that
they would be a PPR. I'm guessing that supposed to
be a machine at SCAM because if he stays healthy, Yes,
if he does stay healthy, he could do something. But
I don't think it's gonna be a consistent weekend and
week out type of thing, especially with Pukinakula the rest
of the offense around there. I still think it's gonna
be more like, you know what, we need to figure

(46:08):
out how to like argue against something instead of agree
on suff here, Ernie, I don't like this episode anymore,
so' green Way too much. So I say, yeah, you
know what, DeVante Adams is gonna have a dominant season.
I agree with Rep. The King forever, I can't agree
with you anymore. He's definitely gonna do something because Rep.
The King and I also agree on the same thing

(46:29):
that you know, they signed Defante Adams over Cup, so
that should mean something to us.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I mean, Devanta Adams is a better player than Cooper
Cup right now, I think we all we all know that,
and yeah he could he could definitely be right, Like
I could see DeVonta Adams going off this year. Like again,
like I have the Rams potentially in the Super Bowl.
I think they have an amazing GM. I think they
have one of the better coaches in the league. I
think there is a plan for Devonte Adams and he's
a top two pass catcher. So you know, if DeVante

(46:58):
Adams has over a thousand year yards this year at
ten plus touchdowns, would I be shocked. No. But I
just think what's more realistic is probably like nine hundred
to one thousand, and then I can see, like, you know,
like five touchdowns, you know what I mean. But I
still think he'll be productive, He's gonna have a solid season.
I just think what me and you are saying is

(47:20):
that where he's being drafted, his ADP is a little
too steep for us, Like it's a little too much
where it's like if he was going round six, round seven,
a little later. All right, I'm in, Yeah, where.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Cooper Cup's going right now, which is round pick eighty,
then yeah, I feel a coupable having them more of
a wide receiver three than a wide receiver two.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Like, let me ask you this, because here's another one, right,
This one's interesting Stefan Diggs right the Patriots. Again, I
don't think I will. I don't want to say this
because I think it happen. But I think the Patriots
will be a team that takes a major step forward
this year. I love Mike Rabel. I definitely could see
them making the wild card. If they won the AFC East,

(48:01):
that would be nuts. But I definitely could see them
being in that wild card range. And they just paid
Stefan Diggs, which I wasn't a big fan of because again,
Stefon Diggs is like thirty one. We saw the production
go down in Buffalo, right, but Houston. He looked pretty
good last year right towards ACL came back. I've been
checking him out on Twitter. He's working his ass off

(48:22):
like he's really due. He looks impressive right now. But
my whole point is is that he's the same age
as Adams, right or like a year off. He's going
what ADP eighty one? Right, And it's like Drake may
is going to be a very good quarterback and he
was dying for a wide receiver one. Now you have

(48:44):
them right where. It's like, I think Diggs is going
to enter a massive target share, right. I think he
plays out all three of his contract in New England,
No way, right, But do I think again, like there
will be at least one more year, maybe two. I
do especially year. So it's like give me Stefan Diggs
forty like forty picks later, right, because I'm getting the

(49:07):
same receiver, but he's getting a wide receiver one volume
right where it's like Adams could still be very good,
but it's like he's fighting with Puka Nakula, right, So
it's it's again it's a gamble. I just think they're safer,
like safer options at better cost, you know, and we'll
give you more bang for your buck.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah, I mean, and he's coming in at thirty eighth
story two. I didn't realize he's alreaty thirty two. Yeah,
another aged wide receiver and they have an out. So
basically it's own truly like a one year deal with
they'd be like a nine point seven million cap at
next season, yep, which isn't bad. But I like what
you're saying about the newing the Patriots, like you know,
they draft where they go offensive linemen in the first

(49:48):
round yep. And then they went who definitely be a nice
jump off back better than what we're mound receiver if
they can do. And then Kyle Williams was he third
or fourth round.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
He was at the top of the third round. He's
gonna be a slot guy.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, So, I mean they're trying to put something around
Drake Lennon to help Drake Lennon it out and hopefully dude,
I I want to believe in steph On Diggs. I mean,
he signed a three year, sixty three point five million contract,
but it only cludes twenty five million guaranteed, so it's
not really that much overall. So it's it easy cut

(50:25):
off of them. If they really wanted to, you know,
it'd be one year, twenty point two million they'd had
to pay out. What do you do? You know, with
the way the NFL contracts are going on, these people,
these teams with dead money, they don't really seem to
care that much anymore, just because of the new TV
contract coming up the next few years. It's my assumption.
But if we can get Stephan Diggs before the acl

(50:46):
TAAR last season, then yes, I can believe you and
what you're saying right now, Will it happen? I'm I
have to wait and start seeing it for myself. I'll
have to do like what you did and look at
the videos and get a better view to see how
that cuts going, how's that knee been, how everything is
going together? Is he able to cut as quick as
he able to turn as quick? Because you know, as

(51:06):
a receiver, you're really digging that foot down, you're really
pushing off that knee, you're twisting that knee. If he's
able to do that and he's doing it just fine,
I'd be willing to take him this late. Like it's
it's not that bad. I mean, you're looking at it.
You know, this is the time where you're starting to
fill your bench roster, or you're looking at it and saying, like,
all right, especially for best ball, this is a guy
who I don't need him right away, but if I

(51:26):
get him later in the season, it's definitely well worth
the cost. And then that's I'm sure that's what you're
You probably agree with me on that point too, right, Yeah,
So looking at all, right, we are fifteen minutes in,
so we'll start getting this wrapped up here soon. Try
to keep this under an hour. We'll hit up a
couple more players. Definitely, they're talking rookies and I don't

(51:49):
It's kind of hard to still tell because we don't
know exactly what rookies are doing anything. It just because
they just had rookie camp. And but if you had
to kind of say, what rookie you you are super
high on right now? Who is one that you were targeting,
especially the late in drafts?

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Late in drafts, I'm so I have two. Actually we
just I'm gonna go with so Kyle Williams is one.
I love Kyle Williams, the receiver that the Patriots drafted again,
because I'm with you on Stefan Diggs, Like I'm not
where he's at in his career. I would not have

(52:26):
gave him a three year deal, but I think if
you look at the details, it's probably more of like
a two year deal, you know, hoping that they could
help Drake develop this first year, right, and then they'll
eventually start building around him with more youthful pieces. But
there's not There's not a lot of bodies in New England,
you know what I mean? Like, you know, I Vrabel's
gonna come in there and try to pound the shit

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out of the ball. That's what that's his m Like,
that's my guy. I love it. I love his brand.
Like Trayvon Henderson, dude for a back that like like
you would think is just gonna be a PPR monster. Bro,
watch this kid pass like he will throw it up
in there, dude, Like he's some Like he's one of
the better pass protection backs I've seen and if oh yeah,

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for sure. And I think, like, dude, they'll have a
nice tandem with Stevenson and Henderson. I do see Henderson
eventually running away with that job, for sure. But you
look outside of that, right, they have no receivers, So
I think that's why they went and God digs and
then they drafted Kyle Williams. I am a big, big

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Drake May believer, Like I think Drake May Will be
the truth, and he's got to throw it to somebody, right,
So it's like, all right, you can get Stefan Diggs
at eighty, but if you're not a Stefan Diggs fan
and you're a Drake May believer, then you should be
smashing Kyle Williams. His ADP is one forty seven. Right now,
he's gonna play the slot. You go back to Drake

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May's unc days. He fed the slot like that's why
Josh Dowens was a third round pick, Like he loved
like that was his, that was his. He went to
him early and often, so you look at their offense. Again,
nothing said in Stone yet, right, but I would put
money on Kyle Williams playing the slot. Right, and again,
you already know he's a starter. You know he's tied

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to a good quarterback. He was drafted with pretty high
draft capital. I'm taking a stab, dude, because if this
kid comes in and let's say, you know both of us,
like we part of us believe Stefan Jesus is cooked.
I could tell you I'm just more in love with
the landing spot and probably the year one volume. But
the reality is is if he is cooked, well, who's

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gonna benefit from that? Kyle Williams. So give me Kyle Williams.
The other one that I love is Patrick Bryant. Like
I love Patrick Bryan just because I am a big
Sean Payton fan. I think he's ingenius. I think he's
one of the best to do it. I think when
he drafts a player, he has a plan for them.

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I think you've seen this throughout his entire career. Like
Michael Thomas back in the twenty seventeen or twenty sixteen, right,
like I first started playing fantasy football, one of my
favorite articles I ever read was Sean Payton made a
quote and it goes, I don't play fantasy football, but
if I did, I would draft Michael Thomas right, And

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I was like, Okay, I gotta I gotta draft this player.
Same thing with Patrick Bryant, like he took him in
the third round. Right, So I was pretty high draft capital.
Portland Sutton's getting up there. They don't really have any
other wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Wait wait, wait, wh whoa whoa whoa wha. They don't
have any other wide receivers? What about Marvin Mins?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
So I'm I'm a Marvin Mins guy. You know, I
liked him his first year coming out thinking he was
going to play like that Brandon Cooks role. I think
he's more of a better team asset than he will
be for fantasy. Right again, if Marvin Mins pops off

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this year, I wouldn't be shocked. Just me personally. I
think you got Sutton playing the outside. I think you
got Mims playing the slot, and then you're gonna have
Patrick Bryant playing that other outside receiver, right and Courtland Sutton.
You know, speaking of household names with you know higher age,
Sutton's getting there. You know what I mean, I think
he's thirty years old this year. Either Thom Payne is

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not paying him again, so I could see Pat Bryant
coming in and getting some volume early on, and maybe
he sneaks into being the wide receiver too, you know,
or you know, he could be better than we thought.
You know. And now this guy is really bow NICKX
his ex of now and the future. So I just

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his ADP is one eighty five if I believe, or
it might actually even be lower, like you're getting this
guy like crazy late, yeah, dude, Like and again he's
a rookie, you know. Right now he's third on the
depth chart. You know, you got Sutton Mims and then
you know Pat Bryant. But it's like, okay, well what
if he's a hit, Like you know, like what if

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what if he is good? What if he comes in
and he is you know, what if bo Nix's now
go to target, who's another quarterback? I think that's gonna
take another step.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
You know.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
So those are two of my favorite late round stabs
right now in Best.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Ball Nice because as a whoops wrong one wrong one again,
as Brett the King Forever says, R J. Harvey will
eat early and he definitely will be and everyone thinks
that too, because he's the dude. He's like fifth six
round pick right now, so not very very much a
sleeper right there, but definitely a riser just because of
what Sean Payne will do in that offense.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Hell yeah, hell yeah, dude, I'm a RJ. Harvey is funny.
I see some of the Dynasty memes making fun of
his age, but it's like, dude, I don't care, you know,
because it's like, all right, Sean Payton is trying to
win right now, right and he was targeting r J.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Harvey.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
His his like draft plan was I believe somebody could
correct me if I'm wrong. He was going travy On
Henderson round one. I know, No, he wasn't going Travon
Henderson round one. He was going to try to trade
back up for Travon Henderson. Didn't happen, so he waited
and RJ Harvey was their next guy. I also read
that Gladstone and the Jaguars and Liam Cohen really won

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in RJ. Harvey. So now you're having some good offensive
minds fighting over the same player, and RJ Harvey is
not little. A lot of people. They look at his
size and them like, oh, he can't be a bell count.
I disagree you that, UCF. Dude, he is a beast.
Like dude, he has huge legs.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
He is like a bulletball.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, dude, he reminds me of like like a faston
Maurraice Jones Drew. Dude, he is. He is a monster.
I love. He is one of my favorite RB targets
because early on, you know, you usually people try to
target I try to target wide receivers unless like a
gift one of the gift running backs fall to me.

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But you're getting these guys. It's like Chubba Hubbard, RJ. Harvey,
and Kenneth Walker all in that same range from like
fifty five to sixty. I'm pretty sure, Like, give me RJ.
Harvey all day. You know, he's gonna get a million targets.
He's gonna catch the ball a million times, He's going
to run the ball, he's gonna do everything you know
inn offense that's definitely about to take a major step.

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So I'm a huge RJ. Harvey stan I would target
him in fourth fifth round of Best Ball Drafts Reach
if you have to, you know, again, there's there's other
running backs on the board where it's like I would
actually reach for RJ. Harvey's upside over what I know
what I'm getting with one of these more like vanilla players.
So I couldn't agree more. Dude, that's he's a smash pick.

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I don't think he's going to be a bust. I
think everybody's spot on with that pick. That was probably
my biggest day to winner of the draft because it's like, dude,
you're going into Sean Payton's joker role, so you know
this kid's gonna be a baller.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Absolutely absolutely, one more question that we're going to wrap
it up here, right these guys reach, Yeah, Jacob's Bucky,
JT and Genty.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Wow, that's a good one. So Jacob's Bucky, JT and Genty.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I'm going JT gent Jacob's Bucky. I'm not I like Bucky,
but I'm not falling for it based on how high
he's going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Right now, Dude, I hate to do this, but I
actually really agree with you, man, like I really didn't
like I already.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
We are done. We are not doing this anymore with you.
You agree with me too much, and I agree with
you too. Much. This is not gonna work out this
relationships over. I need someone who's the opposite, who can attract,
and we're not attracting. We're going against each other.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I'm sorry I let you down, brother, I really am
uh now, dude like you just like I love Jonathan
Taylor if he's still twenty six, so there's still a
lot of youth there. There's a lot of juice. The
coltsman Like, why I like them is I love Shane Steichen.
I think he's a really good offense is mine, and
it's like, I'm gonna to say something that's gonna make

(01:01:01):
a lot of people hate me. I think Daniel Jones
wins that job. And I actually don't think the Colts
look bad next year. I think they will be a
very friendly fantasy offense. Especially for Jonathan Taylor. I think
they're gonna lean on him. I think he's gonna have
a really good year. I think he's a lock for
top ten. And then I would take genty two. Genty
is again, I love genty He like you watch just

(01:01:24):
if You're ever bored, and you're like, if you're if
you're one of the guys, there's like it's actually genty.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Go watch the Penn State Bowl game and just watch
watch this kid's runs like he's getting hit behind the
line of scrimmagere still making it. Think, yeah, dude, he
was making stuff happen. You know, he's got good size
five nine, two fifteen, two twenty. I think Pete Carroll
is gonna give him a lot of volume. He's twenty
one years old, so he's gonna be able to take

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that wear and tear, especially year one. So give me
genty at the second on that list. And then you
have Josh Jacobs Man. You know again, Packer's underrated team.
NFC North is a blood bath, you know, Like I
think the worst team is the Bears, and that's kind
of crazy. Yeah, like with all the stop agreeing with me, dammit,
with all the with all the the acquisitions made, they

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beefed up the offensive line like the Bears. If you're
a football fan and you're a Bears fan, you couldn't
be happier what they did. Again, I would take Warren
over Loveland, but I know there's people higher on Loveland
because of his measurables and stuff. But the Bears, like
with Ben Johnson, they're cooking and that that's like, you know,
your worst team, but the Packers are very underrated. You

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look at Josh Jacobs's work last year. Again, not a
big yard per carry guy, but he was a touchdown monster.
You know. And the only thing that councerns me about
Jacobs is he is twenty seven years old, right, But
he does actually get hurt pretty frequently, like not like
season ending injuries, but like annoying ones where he's missing

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like a few games, you know what I mean. So
it's like you have that risk with drafting him, but
you know, either way, he's a very high end RB
two low RB one. So give me Jacob's third and
then Bucky. Yeah, dude, Like, I agree with you again,
I think Bucky good football player. Bucks made an awesome
pick their GM. I love their Jim Litch right. He

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he's been doing a really good job the last few years.
And I think Bucky again, you're you're you're switching offensive coordinators.
You have some other running backs there, you know, I
feel the same way as you, like, I think he
could be a guy that takes a hit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I don't know if we're gonna see the same thing
we saw year one, right, But again, this is why
it's kind of confusing, because you have a new offensive coordinator,
you don't know how the offense is gonna look. You
don't know who he's gonna you know, feature and most
likely will be him because all they have is a
Shad White left right right. So yeah, I put Bucky
fourth on that list too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
All right, then one last question, mister Magic says, would
you take any of them over CMC? Me, I would
probably take I think it's shit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I think I'm taking definitely Genty and Taylor over CMC,
only because I mean, I do think the Niners rebound
this year. I actually I definitely do. They're too good
of a team not to rebound. But it's like I
can't sit here and say fullheartedly like I trust CMC's health,

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like I trust the offense, and I trust like you know,
but I don't know how many games you're gonna get me,
you know what I mean? Like Christian comedy games are
you gonna play this year? So you look at Gent,
you look at Tailor like you got two tanks, dude,
they're gonna get Matt like monster volumes. Where it's like
even if all three played healthy, like CMC would have

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to have a year like he did like two years ago,
where they weren't close. I think of all three healthy,
like you're gonna see similar production, you know. I just
think with Genty and Taylor they're a little bit safer
because of their durability. So I would take definitely those two.
I would probably take Christian McCaffrey over Jacobs because then
it's like, you know, the same thing. Both are a

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little bit injury prone. But I know Christian McCaffrey is
a better player, So give me Taylor and Genty over CMC,
and then I would take CMC over the other two.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
All right, man, it's a good good talk, good talk,
good talk. We'll wrap it up here, and uh man,
what a great first show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I must say, Hell yeah, man, dude, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I'm excited to be here. I get to off football
all day every day. If people want to, you know,
listen to me, yap. But uh yeah, man, thanks for
having me, dude. I can't wait do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah, well, could you guys next time.