Fantasy Hockey Life Ep. 411 Draftastic 3 - Your questions & Victor's rookie rank talk

Jesse asks Victor the questions you wanted answers to from the NHL Draft! We have audio Victor brought back from LA. Lastly, we go over some of the biggest differences between the order NHL teams took the picks and the order Victor would take them in fantasy. Discussed are Joshua Ravensburgen, Ben Kindel, Cam Schmidt, Alexander Zharovsky, Kashawn Aitcheson, Stian Solberg, Carter Amico, Jack Ivankovic, Jack Murtaugh, Kurban Limatov, and Shane Vansaghi. Have a listen! Our show is part of the Dobber Podcast Network and sponsored by Fantrax.com. Email [e-mail] and ask to join our free discord. Join our Patreon at Patreon.com/fantasyhockeylife for rankings, bonus podcasts, in-depth prospect reports with video, show notes and more. Check out our YouTube for more prospect videos at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQPYVXp3foOcvh7344fjKmA. Listen and subscribe wherever podcasts are posted - and give us 5 stars! We want to be your best place to talk about the game of dynasty fantasy hockey

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life presented by fan Tracks. Here's
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you win your fantasy hockey league.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Block off hot a step hit on staylock Blocks.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Here's your hosts, Jesse Sevier and Victor Nunio.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Get to see hockey.

Speaker 5 (00:25):
Live back once again. Jesse Severe joining you from Fan
Tracks and folks. Victor nuno You'll be hearing him a
lot on this episode, but not just at this moment,
because what happens here is we had so much draft questions,
we had so much draft talk to get through that
we split our talk into another part that is coming

(00:46):
out today. So there are three Draft Tastic series episodes.
A week ago you heard Draft Tastic one, which was
audio from the draft and as well as interviews with
many other prospect content creators. Episode two last Sunday you
heard the first half of Victor and I going through

(01:08):
a lot of questions as well as a little bit
more audio from the draft, and today also some of
those prospect blurbs from the draft and questions from the patrons,
but also some of the ways that Victor's top rankings
are a little different from maybe the the run of
the mill or. It's a little bit different anyway from
what the NHL gms did, because there's gonna be that

(01:30):
guy who shows up and wants to take the fourth
overall pick in the NHL draft fourth in fantasy, and
maybe the fourth pick doesn't belong there, maybe the sixteenth
pick belongs way up there. I'm not even looking at
the names right now, so that don't take that as
what actually happened. But believe me, the NHL draft order

(01:50):
does not equal the fantasy rookie draft needed order. You
can join up and have all these discussions and disagree
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At the Discord Fantasyhockeylife at gmail dot com can get
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(02:35):
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(03:19):
com slash Fantasy Hockey Life. You're right back. And on
the other side of this, you're gonna hear Victor.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
And I talking about drafting.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Michael Tower is here and he needs a Robinsbergen versus
Rinfin in comparison for dynasty projections. Victor, we got to
talk to goalies. Who you got.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Joshua Ravensburger was easily my top rateed goalie in this draft,
and I tend to favor the euro goalies, but Ravensburger
is just so complete. He's also a bit raw. He
wasn't even drafted into the WHL. He was able to
walk on and create a name for himself and then
become the first or sorry second goalie taken in this draft,

(04:10):
and really the one with the highest upside. So he's tall,
He's still a bit raw, but I think he has
tremendous upside, and I think of all the goalies, he
has the highest upside of any of the goalies in
this class. And I think it's good that he's going
to San Jose. They don't he doesn't have to feel
rust they don't have to pressure him. They have a
scar Off. He's going to be the starter for a
while now, and Ravensburger probably legit needs three to four

(04:34):
years at least of development, and who knows where the
Sharks and a scar Off will be at that time.
So I wouldn't worry about drafting him and being blocked
or whatever, because they could trade him or trade a
scar Off or who knows what could happen. So I
really like him. I think he's easily the best goalie
in this draft. But Terry Rimpinen is interesting. He's an
overager and he was really good at the World Junior Championship,

(04:58):
almost won the gold medal for fhm Lynn. But he
is someone who is definitely got the small goalie issue.
He's not very big. He's maybe six foot he's probably
shorter than that. He's listed at six feet, so you
have that issue, and you know a lot of his
club play hasn't been super great, so that makes you

(05:19):
a little bit concerned. But overall I do grimp it in.
He's someone that I would take with a late pick.
But between the two, it's easily Ravensburgen.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
And Ravensbergen is a guy who you got up close
and personal with the draft. You asked him some questions.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Let's hear that audio right now, Jesshal Ravensburger sent as
a Sharks goalie.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Talking about your time in Prince George. What are the
corugar's done to help me develops.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
To reach this The coaching half up there was great.

Speaker 7 (05:48):
They believed in me a lot and gave me a
lot of opportunity, and I think I was able to
take it and with it when I first got there,
and I just believe they put in me and kind
of collvidence and the ability to play games. So it's
something I'm really appreciated it of. And I did a
good job.

Speaker 8 (06:04):
And he's got out a goalie coach that he's been
with you for had long ways.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Lets me say of Sean Buriy and how much he's.

Speaker 7 (06:10):
In Yeah, he's probably one of the biggest reasons why
I'm here in Miss Watter right now. Like after not
getting drafted the dub he was the one who's able
to get me an opportunity with PG and he was
the first one to put that belief in my head.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
And I remember pulling me.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Over and peewee and asking me, if you want to
go somewhere in this game, you can, So that's kind
of the first time put that belief in my head
that maybe I can do this.

Speaker 6 (06:31):
And yeah, he's a big role in my hockey journey
so far.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I love that is there's someone that you model your
game after.

Speaker 7 (06:38):
I like watching Jake Gonger. I don't know how much
my game really models his, but somebody enjoy watching. He's
big like me, he skates really well, he reads the
play really well, and I'd say try to take some
little things from him, but he's just something I enjoy watching.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Well. Tower back, He's got some more questions also. He
says he knows they have been talked about a lot,
but after Shafer and Mesa go, he thinks lots of
people are going to have a tough decision on front
Dell versus Marton versus Hagen's in a banger league, Dynasty's
setup victor who do you like there?

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I do think it's gonna be a tough choice. I
appreciate that question, and I think it's pretty clearly Frondale
and third for me. I think if you want pure
points upside, I think I think Hagen's has more points upside.
I think Marton has similar points upside and he bangs,

(07:32):
so I would be probably supporting the Martone pick. I
really like that. I do think that if I had
the choice, I would probably go Hagen's just because I
believe in his points upside a little bit more. But
I'm not going to be complaining. It also depends on
if center versus wing and fantasy. Sometimes, if you don't

(07:52):
count face offs, it's sometimes better to have the winger
because it's easier to get them into the top power play,
and there's a little bit more roster flexibility, whereas often
there's less flexibility with centers, and so that could be
a bit of an issue for Hagen's on your team,
But I do believe in Hagen's a little more. So
it might depend a little bit on roster construction. For me,
if you have a league that has multiple flex spots,

(08:13):
then you're probably less worried about that issue. And our
tidian in our original dynasties, there is no skater or
flex spot, and that league I would take marton because
it's a lot easier to fit a winger in than
a center.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
And then he's going to go on and ask a
couple more Reshne versus Kindle, versus Leikovic, and maybe versus West.
He thinks so that is a mysterical power thinks they
would be in the mix when that pick comes up
in the drafts. Who would you pick at that group thicker.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I think it's definitely Cole Reshnie For me, I can
appreciate that there will be some interest in Ben Kendall,
especially because he went eleventh overall way too early, as
a lot of us were feeling at the time. If
it weren't for Jack Nesbit, Benjamin Kindall would have been
a surprise of the first round. But then the Flyers

(09:08):
went and traded up and took Nesbit and we were
all like what But anyways, Ben Kendall is a good player.
I really like him. He's gonna be fine. He's a
fine middle to bottom six forward. But he doesn't have
the scoring upside that Cole Reshnie does. So that's who
I would take. West probably has more upside, but there's

(09:29):
just so much more risk. I would take Cole Reshnie
easily because he's someone who's already shown tremendous upside and
has a few things to work on, but I think
can figure it out. So I think at that point
I wouldn't be if Rashnie was on the table. I
would not be considering Mason West quite yet. I do
like Mason West as a bit of a flyer, but

(09:50):
if Rashnie's on the table, I'm not thinking twice about it,
and I'm just taking him.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
And so bend Kendall was some we mentioned here. Why
don't we hear a little bit of talk from mister
Kendall straight from the horse's mouth.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Kindle to It's perfect.

Speaker 9 (10:11):
Yeah, I owe so much him that they've helped me
since I've been drafted by them in twenty twenty two,
and they helped me with my development. They've provided out
a place to play that was a great environment with
a lot of great leaders, coaches and great management.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
So I can't thank them enough.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
What players teammates you can lead on through the process.

Speaker 9 (10:29):
Yeah, I think a lot of older guys have been
through this process from my team, especially last year, guys
like Yakunchuck how which video.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
A lot of different.

Speaker 9 (10:38):
Guys that helped all our draft eligibles this year that
have gone through this process.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
It's been a great experience, you know, talking.

Speaker 10 (10:44):
About a great decision making.

Speaker 9 (10:49):
Yeah, I think I just have a good sense for
the game and good visions I can see, I see
my teammates, see my teammates well, and make the right
reason all over the ice, both on the offensive side
and the defensive side.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Out off a lot of high end talent that you've
been playing with. What's it like playing in the Western
Hockey League and.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
How he helped Jumper.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yeah, I think it's a great league.

Speaker 9 (11:08):
I think it's definitely prepared me well to play professional
hockey as a grind to play in the Western League,
and yeah, it's a great spot for development.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
So what's next for you?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
What do you have to do, what do you have
to focus on try and take that next step in
advance the NHL.

Speaker 9 (11:22):
Yeah, obviously, as a smaller player, I think I definitely
need to keep improving my overall size of strength as
well as my skating, especially my straight line speed.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
The Golden Moose comes in with this question for you, Victor.
He says he has a friend who's a scout who
loves Riker Lee, has him in the top twenty in
this class, and he himself watched some video thinks that
he's super skilled. Riker Lee is a great shot, good passer,
skating not very good. He gets around okay, and it's
pretty shifty. He's going to Michigan State next year, so

(11:53):
hopefully we'll have some time to add strength and improve
the skating. So I guess, Victor, what's your take on
Riker Lee.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, we talked about Lee a little bit earlier, and
I appreciate what the gold of Moose is saying here.
Lee definitely has a lot of upside and he's super smart.
His feet are just heavy and he often accommodates for
that by knowing where to be ahead of time and
getting there ahead of the play. In some ways, he
reminds me of Jason Robertson, who really struggled with the

(12:21):
foot speed, but the anticipation was so good that he
made up for it. Of course, Jason Robertson a taller,
bigger player, and Lee is both undersized and not a
great skater, so he's got both of those things working
against him. But I do think that Lee can figure
it out because of the skill, because of the shot,
the vision, the anticipation, all of those things. I think

(12:42):
Michigan State is going to be great for him, and
I think that that he could be someone that we're
talking about in a couple of years who really popped
off in college and is at least justifying his draft slot,
if not improving upon it.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Okay, the next question ed comes in and says, Jesse
versus Victor. Oh, Victor, I see the notes that you
wrote here. So Jesse versus Victor, how do you have
that comp going? It's gotta be Jesse hands down right. Yeah,
look at that. I didn't even have to use AI
to generate that either. As far as anybody listening to

(13:18):
this knows. Next one at the end of that shot says,
maybe these questions are too related to your secret ranking recipe.
We call him Colonel Victor Sanders. But here goes, when
doing your rankings, how much does a late versus early
birthday come into play? And therefore, how much does the
runway factor in?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
That's a great question. Sometimes not much, But let me elaborate.
If someone has work to do to get stronger, better skater,
et cetera, and their October November birthday, they probably are
going to get dinged a little bit because they don't
have as long to accomplish that, and they have had
already a longer time being older in the development curve

(14:01):
to get there and they haven't, so they're shown that
they haven't quite been able to accomplish that. Whereas if
they're a June, July and August birthday, they get a
bit of a pass because they're so raw and they
have more of a runway to get to where they
need to be. So it's only if they really have
significant issues that they need to work on or and

(14:22):
then you can factor in that timeframe the guys in
the middle. It doesn't really affect one way or the other.
They are what they are. And the other thing is
that if their processing ability is having an issue but
they're a summer birth date, then maybe they get a
little bit of a pass or they get there, they
don't get dinged because they need a little bit more
time to develop that processing. So basically, in a nutshell,

(14:46):
sometimes it matters depending on the context of what they
need to do to improve and how much improvement we've seen.
It's especially helpful if we've seen them progress towards the
end of the season and they are a summer birth date.
You can project that trajectory is going to continue to
steeply climb afterwards. And so that's something that I like

(15:07):
to take into account.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Okay, and do you knock players down for their size victory?
If so, is there a threshold at which it's inevitable
to lower expectations? So comparing Potter kindle Reshne, who are
all five to ten versus camp Schmidt at five to seven,
for example, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Realistically, you just have to listen to people who have
the ears of nhlgms and people who are making the decisions,
and the reality is that five eleven five ten seems
to be a threshold for when it really seems to matter,
and guys that are below that better be exceptional. And
that's the issue with some of the smaller guys in

(15:46):
this class. It didn't really come up too much with Potter, Kendall, Reshnie.
Those guys are what they are and we saw where
they went, whereas if you just take off another inch
or two, it's a completely different situation. And those smaller
players went much later and have a very difficult road
ahead of them. So I check with the scouts. I

(16:06):
listen to what they have to say. I heard several
scouts tell me that Cam Schmidt, Adam Benatch, and LG.
Mooney are not going to play in the NHL because
they're just too small. And that's just partially because they're small,
but also because they're just not as complete enough of
a player. They really need to have a B game,

(16:27):
they really need to round out the rest of their game,
and if they can do that, then they have a
better chance. But oftentimes these smaller guys are just really
skilled with the puck and don't really bring as much
away from the puck, and that's a problem if you
don't really have anything else to fall back on because
that's not going to take them all the way. And

(16:48):
you look at a guy like Logan stankovin which as
we're recording this just signed a big extension. Kudos to him.
But he had an excellent B game. He's an excellent
all around player. He's reading turnovers, he's tough to play against,
he's stealing pucks, he's scoring goals, he's for checking. He's
a beast in all situations. And if you're going to

(17:08):
be a smaller player, make it that's what you need
to be. Like, you can't just be super skilled half
wall perimeter player, and that's the problem that a lot
of these guys fall into.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
And the next question, very curious about your thoughts on
Alexander Jarrovsky.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, speaking of B game, this is one that I
think is really interesting to talk about. So Zarowski really
didn't have that earlier in the year, but it really
started to come along. And if he runs out, he
could go from boom bus to boom. That's what we
really like to hear. So he's got super slick hands.
He's really an excellent playmaker. I didn't really like some

(17:46):
of what I saw in the NHL. He was trying
to dangle guys, but maybe he was just bored or
who knows. But then we didn't get to see much
of him in the KHL, but what we did see
was pretty reassuring. He was using his teammates better, he
was relying on some of their skill and working to
collaboratively a little bit better, and that's what you want
to see. So I'm actually really excited for his Zarowski.
It'll be a big season next year to see what

(18:08):
he can do. But I have a feeling he's someone
that we're going to be talking about as someone who
is popping off in the KHL next year, and that
is going to be really good to see, and then
we'll be really excited about him as well moving forward.
So yeah, I really like that pick. I think it
was a smart pick early in day two. Hopefully he
gets more cagel time. He might end up he might

(18:30):
end up splitting or playing partial season in the MHL,
which will be unfortunate. But yeah, I really think it's
a good pick with a lot of potential.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
Good question here from Rob Matthew Schaeffer, how does he
slot in versus zeboillem Alexander Nikishkin and I guess who
probably probably Cole Hudson here.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oh, he might mean Laine Hudson. I don't know. We
can put them both in there, how about that. I
think that's one of the benefits of the ranks that
I do because it's not easy necessarily to rank within
a class, but it's way harder to rank between classes
and with guys that are D plus two plus three
plus whatever. So yeah, that's what I think. That's one

(19:10):
of the benefits to the ranks is that we have that.
And I would say that it's pretty clearly nikishin ahead.
For me, I would put Lane Hudson second, and then
probably Cole Hudson behind Lane, and then Shaeffer and then Buoyam.
So I give you two Hudson's for the price of one.

(19:31):
So basically Schaeffer is between the Hudsons and the Bullyams.
I think that, Yeah, he's pretty exciting in terms of
the upside, but I think that a lot of the
other guys that have already been drafted I would put
ahead of Schaeffer. There are a lot of other guys
that aren't even on this list that I would put
ahead of him too. But that's not to say that
he's not exciting and worthy of the first overall pick

(19:51):
because I think he is wow.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Next from Sasha, Luca Kagnoni versus Tanner Mullendyke, who do
you like better?

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Thanks Sash, I forgive me an easy one, because I
think Cagnoni is clearly better than Mullendyke. I think Mullendyke
is he's an awesome skater, He's someone that's going to
be in NHL er, but I don't think that in fantasy,
as we're talking about here. In fantasy, I think it's
clearly Cagnoni. He has significant upside, and I think what
he did in the AHL is super impressive. We'll see

(20:26):
what Mullendyke does. I'm sure that he'll be fine in
the AHL in terms of being able to skate with
all those guys, but I don't think he has the offense.
I don't think he ever really has to be fair.
He has produced, but I don't think that's necessarily his
calling card. I think that's he's more of a transition player,

(20:46):
more of a puck mover, and he's not someone who's
going to command power play time. Cagnoni is not on
the ice. If he's not on the power play, Like,
what are you doing out there if you're not at
least having him in some offensive situation. And I really
think I've said it before it again, I think Cagnoni
is like Leane Hudson light. I think that he's that
skilled offensively. I think that he's just as good, if

(21:07):
not better, defensively in some areas. He's got a really
good stick and he closes his gap. He's a good skater,
so all those things, and he's physical. He knows how
to pinch people off in the boards and win puck battles.
So yeah, it's definitely Cagnoni for the offense.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Sashi, you will have a point deducted because that was
not a drive question. But we answered it anyway because
that's how we roll. At Cianna's back. Why not a
Shaeffer Dobson comparison. He says he's asking for a Habs
fan friend.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Like he's chilling his friend pretty hard there. Yeah, so
I would definitely take Schaeffer over a Dobson. Adopson is
a great player, and I think that's a whole different conversation.
What happens in Montreal now, I would definitely be worried
about no Adoptson's value in Dynasty after that trade, But
Schaefer is plus Dobson in my opinion, I think that
he he's way better offensively. I think Dobson is good offensively,

(22:04):
but I think Shaefer probably even has a little bit
more to give, and I think that he's way better defensively.
So he's your true number one defenseman. And that's always
been the issue with Dobson is that he was good offensively,
but he was never a great defensively, and it was
hard for him to get all the premium minutes. And
I think that's honestly why they traded him, is because
they have their true number one now they can fill

(22:26):
in the gaps behind Dobson. I think they did great
with the draft picks that they got in terms of
getting hs and is probably a number two defenseman that
they got at sixteen or whatever, So that was fantastic value.
And there he's going to be coming along and replacing
both of them, replacing Dobson for the years to come
in and give Victor Actlan out of it. Anyways, I know

(22:47):
that wasn't the full question, but I definitely think there's
way more value in Shaper Schaefer.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
A couple just a general question here your favorite three
to five top fantasy picks for from each round two
through seven.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
All right, Willie, I really am mad at you for
making me go through this exercise because it was painful.
It was painful. This draft is not the draft to
do this with my friend. But I did it for
you anyway, as I did it for everybody. There are
a lot actually in round two, but I picked them.
We already talked about a couple of them, but we
haven't talked about Simon Wang. I'll mention him just briefly.

(23:25):
He's the highest picked Chinese born player ever in the NHL,
and that's pretty cool for him. I think the Sharks
partially picked him because it's a cool story. I don't know.
He's extremely raw. He has a lot of work to do,
but he's only been playing organized hockey for a few years,
and so I think the potential there is huge. He's
six six or whatever. He's a really good skater for

(23:45):
his size, and he did okay in the OHL. He's
got a long way to go, but you give him
like five years and yeah, he could be a middle
pairing guy who's very disruptive. To the play and is
really hard to skate around. Obviously because of his reach
and mobility. I don't think he's going to be a
big fantasy asset unless you're in a thirty two team
league that just values guys that are playing. Aside from that,

(24:07):
I'll probably pass on Samon Wayne, But if you're in
the later rounds, he's someone I would probably throw a
pick at, just because who knows this guy. He may
end up being really good. We just don't know. He's
so raw. He's so raw. Other second rounders Alex Zarofsky
We already talked about Malcolm Spence. We talked about Cole McKinney.
We talked about round three Nathan dem I mentioned briefly,

(24:28):
but I do really like him. I think he's got
a few things to work on, but I think he's
got some upside. We talked about Tommy Lafrenier. We didn't
talk too much about David Bitkowski. He's someone who fell
a little bit later than someone thought he would. But
he definitely has some things to work on, but he's
got some upside, so I like him if you can
figure his skating out. He's very physical, so I like that.

(24:51):
You're getting. You know what, you're getting a bottom six disruptor, heavy,
difficult to play against kind of guy.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
LJ. Mooney.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
I know some people said he's not gonna play. I've
heard other people say he's gonna figure it out. He's
just so talented. I are on the side he's probably
not gonna play. But if I had to bet on
someone in that round, it probably would be him. Michaels
servek sir surchek Man. That's a hard one to say,
of course. Like the I think he's Slovak, right, He's
got so many consonants just slam together. Anyways, He's an

(25:22):
interesting guy. Definitely a bit undersized, that's partially why he fell,
but he's a Swiss army knife. He can do lots
of different things. I actually really like him as a
team pick. I'm not so sure in fantasy he might
figure it out. So yeah, hard to say. And then
in the fifth round it really start standing out here. Basically,
my strategy beyond those early rounds is to just go

(25:44):
for the goalies. They have more avaiability in their ranks,
but you never know. So rimpin' in was taken in
that round. I think that he's someone that is probably
worth a pick at some point in your fantasy draft,
and maybe he figures it out. I don't know. But
then the Winnipeg Jacks took Victor Klingsley cling Cell, sorry

(26:08):
Victor kling Cell. He's yeah, he's definitely interesting. He was
awesome in the j twenty. We didn't really see much
of him in the SHL. He's someone who has some
pretty significant skill. Sometimes it isn't always there, there's a
little bit of hit and miss, but if anyone can

(26:28):
figure it out in the fifth round as a skater,
it's probably him. Let's see getting really down in the
weeds here. But Aiden Lane is someone that I think
is interesting. Cal Gray took him at one seventy six.
He's also another one who is just a strong two
way player, and so because of that, I think that

(26:49):
he can make a name for himself. He is going
to Harvard next year and so that can probably help.
He also didn't play very much. Sometimes I look at
some of these guys who just haven't been able to
prove it and maybe there's more there. But he played
just a couple of USHL and a few OHL games,
so maybe there's more to unravel there and to pick

(27:13):
up and then in the seventh round really bleak there.
But Philip Eckberg is probably the guy I would take
in that round, a little bit of a late birthday
Carolina tight pick. He's small, he's very crafty with the puck,
very strong instincts, and was pretty good in the OHL.

(27:34):
So he's someone who might pop off a little bit
more next year. So those are the guys, Simon Wang,
Alex Arrowsky, Malcolm Spence, Cole McKinney, Nathan Bem, Tommy Lafrenier,
David Bitkowski, LJ. Mooney, michaels Urschek, Victor Klingsel, Betterry Drimpin
and Aiden Lane, Philip Eckberg.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
And one more question, Hison versus Solberg, which one do
you like better? Oh?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I want them both. Come on now, don't make me
choose between those two. Yeah, they're pretty similar, I would
say in terms of they're both very violent players. They're
both guys that like to mix it up. They're super physical,
but also they're not just dunes that are going out
there hidden people. They are doing that, but they're also

(28:23):
very good skaters, very mobile, see the play very well.
I think I like Ahison's vision more I think he's
got a little bit more offense. I think he sees
the play really well, and I think that he steps
into the play and looks for offense more than Stolberg does.
I think Soolberg is going to be more of the
goodest type, where he's just more of a banger and

(28:45):
there aren't too many points there. Achison may be that,
but I think there's hope that there's more points from Achison,
and so I would probably take Achison for that reason.
But I think they're pretty similar. And I pulled up
their player cards for Fantasy Hockey Life and just looked
at their bash and Ahison is only eightieth percentile or no,
he's seventieth percentile for hits and Solberg is one hundred

(29:09):
percent dile for hits and that's in the SHL, which
isn't known to be a super physical league. So I
we would have to give the bash to Solberg. But
if you combine the hits, blocks and shots, Ahison is
basically right there with him. And in my ranks, I
actually have as a seven point twenty five and Solberg

(29:30):
is a six point one five, for whatever that's worth.
So I like hsin a little bit more.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Let's go through five more guys, Victor. Because of the
many hours of audio you brought back, some of the
interviews were a little more usable than others, and these
were some of the better things that we captured, so
I don't want to go without using those in the show.
And first we have Carter Amiko, a defenseman from Philadelphia.
You talked about all the big bashers in Philly. Any

(29:58):
opinions on mister ami go.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, it was funny. A lot of the guys who
were there. Russ from Sportsology helped get me the credentials,
and obviously he knows Philly well. He knows a lot
of the US player as well. And we're talking about
Amiko and he's just like this tall, dangly Bambi type player.
He's still growing into his body, he's still figuring things out.
So in that sense, like huge potential, right because he's

(30:22):
six' five two twenty, five he's already if he's already,
huge and he's a little bit of a late Birthday march,
fifteenth and he didn't he had some limitations from, injury
so he didn't play all that, much only thirteen games
in THE, Ntdp so we don't really know exactly what
he's going to be, like but there's so much potential
and he's going To Boston university who's just been turning
out great, defenseman both offensive and all, around and SO

(30:45):
i think IT'S i think it's. Great he's definitely someone
who you could see having a tremendous upside in the.
Future SO i Like. AMICCO i don't think THERE'S i
don't necessarily think there's offense, there but there's definitely a
player and it certainly fits their. Type you're looking at,
guy it's like like Pro, varov what's The Rista, lanen
you know? Who, yeah so, GUYS i think he fits that,

(31:08):
mold AND i think That Carter amico Certainly miko certainly
could end up being like. That SO i REALLY i
like him a. Lot, yeah but he's but we also
just don't know because he's so.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
Raw here's What carter had to say at the, draft
presumably before he knew That victor called.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Him Baby Carter Miko Philadelphia, flyers.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
A lot of frustrator ob suit of the. Injury thank
no matter, What i'm there AND i didn't care what.
TEAM i just needed a shot AND i got it.
Now So i'm super excited to be doing it In.
Philadelphia who was here with you?

Speaker 7 (31:38):
Today who's just celebrates?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Moment, yeah my, mother my little, brother un and, uncle
my cousins and, mom my grandparents and my mom's. Friends
how would you describe your game To flyers? FANS i
may not have teen you. Play, yeah So i'd Say
i'm a TWO a. Defenseman some of that's, physical hit,
people put him through the, wall something that's kind of fucks.
Up play, simple do a damn good job on the. PK's, Well,

(32:00):
god what what part of the game do you think
you need to work on the move to get to
where you want to? Be, YEAH i definitely say my
speed being six or, FIVE i think more of my
game is physical and just put play and moving the
pluck up to the forward as, well but definitely my
overall speed and. Quickness just the fans on real, environment

(32:21):
especially being From, portland be AND i love The East.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
Coast so super.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Excited, thanks thank you, Guys thank You Jackie. Ivankovich let's
talk more goalies because we love getting him. Goalies later
in the, draft he went to The Nashville predators And
victor what's your take on?

Speaker 3 (32:41):
HIM i Love. IVANKOVICH i think he's such a, gamer
he's such a, Competitor like we saw him at THE ua,
teens just playing his heart. Out he's the kind of
guy that you want back, there you want to win,
for you want to win. With he's really performed well
at The kagretzki and THE u, eighteens and was even

(33:02):
there for THE u twenties and looked. Great the problem
is he's probably not even six Feet he's probably five to.
Eleven he's. Small he's super athletic and super good in
a lot of other, ways but the reality is that
you just have to be elite at all those other
things if you're five to, eleven And i'm not sure
that he. Is some goalie expert people have said that

(33:25):
he's a little slow in some areas and with his
with his some of his, movements And i'm not sure
THAT i would put too much faith in. Him he
did talk about just loving the fact That nashville took
him AND U. C saras as his. Idol there's only
ONE Uc sarus in the league for a reason because
he's a. Unicorn so will there be another? ONE i

(33:47):
seriously doubt, it But i'm, Really i'm really pulling For.
IVANKOVIC i hope it works. OUT i just personally wouldn't
bet at. It there probably five or six other GOALIES
i would take in this draft before, him and then
if you start expanding it to other, drafts he really
starts falling down the. List so that's just the unfortunate
reality for. Me but, Please, jack prove me.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
Wrong, jack prove him.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Wrong Jack Ivankovic.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Nashville the plan is Still michigan for the.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Fall, yeah, yeah my plans to go To michigan's.

Speaker 11 (34:15):
A bunch Of michigan guys have been drafted in the
last first two rounds of.

Speaker 8 (34:19):
Right whatst that been?

Speaker 11 (34:20):
LIKE i, mean do you know those guys In Malcolm
spence and those kind of.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
Guys, YEAH i grew up With.

Speaker 12 (34:24):
MALCOLM i Knowl hawks and McKinney and a bunch of
other guys From michigan really well.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Playing against them growing. Up what's cool to go through
it with?

Speaker 8 (34:32):
Them what was that like when that possibility opened up
for you to go THE ncaa because it wasn't available
last year as a possibility.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
And when did you first become aware that was a possibility.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
And want to do?

Speaker 12 (34:44):
That, YEAH i think when the rule, changed it's definitely
open to.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
It it's so hard to make a decision at such.

Speaker 12 (34:50):
A young, age like can turn the opportunity down If
i'm going to be a starter at The university Of.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Michigan is there AN nhl goalie that you like watching?

Speaker 8 (34:59):
Yesterday pretty?

Speaker 5 (34:59):
Hard and Then jack that's been?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Friends just what's your relationship like with?

Speaker 8 (35:03):
Them and how cool is are going to be a
dev camp with them in a couple of.

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Days, Yeah, brady he's one of my best. Friends super
cool and go through it with.

Speaker 12 (35:09):
Him and the Cam reid is at The pretz, Too
so that's pretty special growing up playing against those two.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
Guys that's pretty. Cool your pro cop Is Ucy. Sorrows
so how does it feel to be under the same
granchastis of?

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Them it's.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Unbelievable he's the GUY i look up.

Speaker 12 (35:25):
TO i can't wait to get down the, camp pick
his brain about what he does good and just get down.

Speaker 13 (35:30):
There, jack what do you want fred S vince to?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Know what About?

Speaker 4 (35:33):
York?

Speaker 6 (35:34):
YEAH i love to. WIN i think the biggest thing
in hockey is to.

Speaker 12 (35:37):
WIN i, MEAN i Think i'm definitely gonna help and
bring A Stanley cup To.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Nashville aside From, Sorrows are there any other goalies you
really like watching the model your game? After?

Speaker 6 (35:46):
Maybe, yeah You Grocier sterkin's another.

Speaker 12 (35:48):
Guy look at this compete, levels, athleticism it's pot. County
those three Things i'd take from his game into. Mind
BUT i think still for me is the.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Guy here you. Go, next we've Got Jack, murtau a
center From philadelphia once, again one of These Philadelphia. Bruisers
you weren't. Kidding you got a lot of interviews from.
Them what do you think of?

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Them, yeah that's funny how all these guys just went To.
Philly it was. Hilarious and they were all taken like
really close to each other, Too so they're all at the,
podium like walking through the hall, together just high five
in each. Other it was really fun to, see especially
after the disappointment of none of them going in the first,
day so they all got to have their moment early
on day two and so that was really. Cool And Murtag,

(36:32):
yeah one of the THINGS i like best about him
is that he's still, seventeen and he'll be seventeen for
another month and a, half so he's super. Young he's super.
Raw he at times looked fantastic this, season and at
times he looked, lost which is what you would expect
from someone who's really young and playing a little over
his head at, times especially when he was playing against

(36:52):
THE ncaa, kids which he will be one of those next.
Year but that's really tough when you're seventeen and not physically.
Developed he is a little biticker than some of the
other guys that are on the, team BUT i think He's,
yeah he's someone who can do a lot of different,
things and he's got a really good, shot AND i
think that he can continue to develop that is there
a ton of upside there in terms of. Points that's

(37:14):
the part That i'm not super convinced about the fact
that he is so young that maybe he can figure
out maybe he's one of these who can get there
in terms of, points and because he has the high perferal,
floor THEN i think that gives you a little bit
more hope That Jack murtak can get. There there's not
too much proof of. Concept although he did have one

(37:35):
of the BEST usndb, seasons it was just, overall the
whole experience was suppressed for all THE ntdp, Guys.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
And here is What jack had to.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Say Jack, Murtag Philadelphia, Flyers what.

Speaker 8 (37:50):
Can The flyers fans?

Speaker 11 (37:52):
Expect CATCH a lot of energy and workforce and a
guy who loves to.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Compete you're going to be you next? Year what do
you think you need to work on to get to
where you want to?

Speaker 6 (38:00):
BE i think just overall.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
CONSISTENCY i think that's just a.

Speaker 11 (38:03):
Standard AND i played at the next level And i'll
play here at The flyers.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
ORGANIZATION i Think i'm more. CONSISTENT i could shine that.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Way Any flyers did you muddled your game? After or
any players in?

Speaker 11 (38:13):
General i'm out of a game after Like matthew Tis.
Chuck BUT i love Watching. TIPPET i think he's ads.
STUCK i just love watching, him and it's a good
watching watching The.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Doers both you talked about your. Years had a.

Speaker 10 (38:25):
Really good second.

Speaker 11 (38:26):
Year, YEAH i saw a whole roller, coaster just super,
fun super, exciting a lot of a lot of talent
on my, team SO i. COULD i can't think those
guys enough with what they did for, me and but
WHATEVER i can do for, THEM i think overall is
an unreal year and great two years with the.

Speaker 10 (38:40):
Program you're pretty confident in fell out between that and the,
season like.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
You gonna get picked forty.

Speaker 11 (38:46):
Overs, YEAH i think just, Overall i'd Say i'm a confident,
kid AND i think just, overall getting picked at whatever
early second round is it's pretty surreal overag just, unbelievable
tough to get.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Picked i'm.

Speaker 10 (38:59):
Stronger do you leave get?

Speaker 6 (39:00):
DRAFT i got a lot of ways to.

Speaker 11 (39:02):
GO i think this summer at Bu in over the
next couple of, YEARS i think it'll be really helpful
for me And.

Speaker 6 (39:07):
I'll put on a good amount of.

Speaker 10 (39:08):
Weight what, wait do you think to?

Speaker 6 (39:09):
Play h look kind of play between two two.

Speaker 11 (39:12):
Hundred and two, five so he's probably about ten more
pounds of.

Speaker 10 (39:15):
Muscle will be good beside the.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Scoring so you're gonna get?

Speaker 9 (39:19):
Dirty, Yeah, no for.

Speaker 11 (39:20):
SURE i gotta work on the consistency down, low and
that great factor.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Of my game was.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
Perfect then we Have Curban, limitoff a defenseman for The
Carolina hurricanes now or drafted thereof we always Love carolina's.
Picks where did you think Of?

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Limitov, yeah he was super fun talking to him and
looking into. Him he's, Huge he's got some really good,
mobility so he certainly seems like he's a. Player he
didn't have too many points in THE, nhl he only
had ONE kgl. GAME i think we really need to
see how he performs against. Man that's something we want

(39:58):
to know and we hopefully will find out next. Year
BUT i think there's a ton of. Potential and it
was funny asking him who he models his game after
and mentioned That carolina Has Alex nikkeishan and he was, like, oh, Yeah,
Nikisha and then he thought about it a little bit
more and he's nixed with Him Rosmus dollin AND i was, Like,
okay that's. Fantastic so he thought about it and was
like a little bit more, dynamic a little bit more.

(40:18):
Offense he wants to be that kind of. PLAYER i
think he sees himself as having a little bit more
ability to jump into the play and of course we
haven't really Seen nikkeishan too much do that in THE nhl,
yet but he was stud number one all around defensive.
Guy both those guys he mentioned are that and so
hopefully he can be some of. That and at this,
point it certainly seems like he has that, potential but

(40:39):
he's just so raw that we just don't, know and
so that's part of the REASON i like him is
that there is a ton of potential and it's just
untapped right. Now so, yeah he's definitely someone like after
the first four or five defensemen are gone THAT i
know a little bit more, about THEN i would absolutely
want to Take Kurbin.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
Limitov and here's What limitov had to Say Curban, Limita, carolina.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
How would you describe your game To carolina? Fans we
don't know.

Speaker 14 (41:08):
You're i'm a two side with aggressive play in the offensive.
ZONE i would like to be with the. PUCK i
have a great hockey, sense, archtick, play great and, accurate powerful.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Shot what is your plan for the next couple of year?
Development you plan to come over To North?

Speaker 14 (41:30):
America, YEAH i will be in the development camp With
caroline and after, that after, THAT i come back In
russia for a, year maybe two, years and my plans
to be in the.

Speaker 6 (41:43):
Michell you, KNOW.

Speaker 14 (41:47):
I haven't he just a drafted and AND i think
The kits Should. Yeah, no he was playing in THE,
cachel BUT i play in THE mhl just a little
bit lower.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
League, yeah why not stay on THE usa show next?

Speaker 14 (42:04):
Year going back to, THAT i have two more years.
Concerts but, yeah but after year maybe we can solve the.

Speaker 8 (42:13):
Problem and, yeah is there a player you model your game,
after a player who you like to have?

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Watch surely you think Maybe.

Speaker 15 (42:21):
Nien, yeah and, Lastly shane Von, sagi the Third philadelphia
prospect in this year Group, victor how close AM i
to pronouncing that?

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Correctly and what did you know about?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
HIM i think you did better than the first TIME
i tried to pronounce. IT i was way so good
job with that. One, YEAH i know all these guys
are just like super like they had a type one
Percent philly out of. Type it was. HILARIOUS i thin
he's SOMEONE i talking To russ a lot about. Him
he didn't score that much at THE ntdp this, year
but he sees a lot of upside and potential And

(43:01):
Van sagi AND i like. That probably not super high for,
points BUT i think that maybe there's some untapped potential
there that he could. Realize but realistically he's probably more
of a two way kind of. Guy but the fact
that he's just so dogging on, pucks he's a, disruptor
he's fantastic on the four, check and so can he
translate more of that into points like maybe we'll have

(43:23):
to SEE i think Again Michigan. State he's At Michigan
state already this, year and so that we'll have to
see if he can pop. Off that's really hard to
do as a young. Player he is an older, birthday
so he was eighteen all of this. Year but it's
still hard to have your draft delible season At Michigan.
State And russ was commenting on HIS ntdb play last
year and this year the transferred To Michigan state was.

(43:44):
Good he didn't have the highest role and so next
year certainly could see some improvement in his. Points he
was almost half point per game AND i could see
him getting approaching point per game next, season probably be
a little bit under that and that would be really.
Successful so we'll see if he can pop off a
little bit. More BUT i think in terms of those
step forwards when you start getting into the twenty five

(44:04):
twenty to thirty overall, Range Van sagi is someone in
the deep enough LEAGUE i would have some interest.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
In and here's what Man sagi had to see at the, Draft.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Little Shane Van sage f fIF. Flyers that.

Speaker 8 (44:20):
Unbelievable it's just a dream come. True it's just it's
a wonderful moment for myself and my, family and this
is Something i've been working for some time, now and
to for to finally be here and for to finally be,
over it's it's a good.

Speaker 10 (44:33):
Feeling how do you feel that you're two years in
THE ushl helped prepare you for the first year in
college and does make you feel comfortable right?

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Away and Then, STUBBLE i get helped.

Speaker 8 (44:41):
TREMENDOUSLY i playing at THE mtdp for two.

Speaker 13 (44:45):
Years if it really helped me.

Speaker 8 (44:47):
Learn a lot about myself as a person in the,
choir and it helped me grow and just make sure
of my, game AND i found my consistency over the
TIME i was, there AND i think it it really
did help me make that jump from ushlda.

Speaker 10 (44:58):
College was there anything specific about your game that you
felt got better in your freshman year from eighty one
you were Playing.

Speaker 8 (45:04):
Jingior, yeah into consistency, PART i think just being able
to play at just a, big power forward heavy game
every single.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
SHIFT i think got.

Speaker 8 (45:11):
A lot better over my time at THE, ntdp AND
i think Pliant Michigan, STATE i think it was it
was really.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Good you talked About.

Speaker 10 (45:20):
Yes you said it was a really good. Meeting do
you feel really confident at that point that they were
going to get?

Speaker 8 (45:24):
You at some POINT i felt good about the meeting
in the, INTERVIEW i thought that they liked. ME i like,
them and obviously the draft in can happen if there's
a lot of, trades there's a lot of, movement and
you just don't know who's going to be on the.
Board but, yeah like they had a chance to take.
ME i felt somewhat confident THAT i was.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
A player of.

Speaker 10 (45:39):
Interest how cool is it awesome to See carter And
i'm jacket taken here in the same.

Speaker 8 (45:44):
Round? Awesome, Yeah Like i've grown pretty close to those
guys playing at The INN tvp with. Them they just
seeing with your close friends and eight guys you've went
through the battles, with see them get.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Drafted it's it's, great Bel thank. You what's your biggest
straight IN nhl?

Speaker 8 (46:00):
PAIR i think MY nhl comparison would Be Josh, Anderson
BUT i think my biggest strength is probably my ability
to use my size and, strength my advantage to be
able to create space with and without the puck using
just my big frame and.

Speaker 10 (46:15):
Body what are you working on this.

Speaker 13 (46:17):
Summer big area.

Speaker 8 (46:19):
Of IMPROVEMENT i think in something That i'm trying to
work on this summer as my skating skating, efficiency just
being able to get out of the gate a little bit,
faster working on my first three steps and being a
little bit more.

Speaker 10 (46:29):
Explosive you've got come of baut because of the sea
from your college hockey like tough.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Transition, yeah it's.

Speaker 8 (46:34):
Definitely the pace definitely picks, up AND i think your
weaknesses really start to show the higher you go.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
UP i think IF i can.

Speaker 8 (46:41):
Improve on my first three, STEPS i think it can
open up a ton of time and space for, me
and it can just maybe a little bit better of a.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Player you can get more points on the more.

Speaker 8 (46:50):
Next YEAR i. Do, YEAH i personally believe that there's
gonna be a lot more. POINTS i THINK i have
a lot more to show, offensively AND i think that's
the belief THAT i. HAVE i believe, MYSELF i believe my,
abilities AND i believe in the work THAT i put.

Speaker 10 (47:04):
In what do you think about the rumor of future
teammates you.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Might, Have, yeah it's.

Speaker 8 (47:10):
Great great. Teammates Carson norwark like he obviously played with
him At michigan.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
State he's Just he's a.

Speaker 8 (47:16):
GUY i can't say enough good things about just a wonderful,
teammate wonderful, player and just a great guy off the.
ICE i love hanging out with, him AND i just
love he's a good, LEADER i think.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Too so you think he put in a good work for,
YOU i think he.

Speaker 8 (47:29):
DID i hope he. Did but, yeah, he knowing him
and the type of person he, is he probably.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Did what was the transition like going from THE Usahl, Soficia.

Speaker 8 (47:38):
Yeah it's a college hockey's smarter, like it's just. Smarter
the pace picks. Up it's the guys are, bigger, stronger.
Faster BUT i think playing in THE, ushl playing at
the AND, TDP i thought that program really helped me
learn and develop and mature as a player in. PERSON
i think that made my transition a lot.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
Smooter do you.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Think you're strengthening your physicality and your size helped you
transition From.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
For?

Speaker 8 (48:03):
SURE i think the style game THAT i play fits
into a college hockey style of, game AND i think
my strengths compliment that type of game a little bit.

Speaker 5 (48:13):
Better, victor this has been a, whirlwind And i'm sure
even more so than you any final thoughts on this
draft before we close it? Out and why don't we
just all do our rookie drafts? Tomorrow, yeah all of?

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Them And when's one THING i would say THAT i
don't know That i've said on the podcast, yet but
one of the NAMES i did, Mention i've been Ry.
Apkin and the MORE i talk to play to people
About ryapkin and you never liked the bad mouth, anyone
BUT i would just caution anyone from drafting. Him i'm
just not sure that he's the type of player that
is going to make it into THE. Nhl and he

(48:50):
certainly had a STRONG ushl season after coming over From,
russia but the More i've heard about his off ice,
issues the More i'm concerned about. That AND i know In,
fanta you don't necessarily have to care about that because
you're not bringing him into your organization and you don't
need to worry about all those. Things BUT i still
just think that he's really going to struggle to find

(49:10):
a role in AN nhl team because of those off ice.
Issues so, Personally i'm not drafting. Him he's not on
my do not draft, list AND i don't think he's
going to play in the.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
League let's take a brief, break come back and talk
some more.

Speaker 13 (49:23):
Prospects christian As shock you an apologize wasn't really familiar
with your, game and you know how.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Casual, victor we should talk a little bit about how
different your takes are from a fantasy, perspective just overall
than WHAT nhl gms did when they drafted these, players
because this is pretty dramatically. Different this isn't just one to,

(49:58):
twelve but in a different, order and Maybe victor snuck
in number. Fifteen this is some pretty significant. Differences so
we're just going to talk about some of the guys
who you, had probably most different from way THE nhl draft.
Did there were a couple of guys high up in
the draft who, drop and that that caused picks, six

(50:19):
seven and eight to rise to your, three four and.
Five but let's talk about. Those Porter, Marton James HAGEN'S
jc O'Brien in the real draft six, seven, eight in your,
draft you'd go, three, four.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Five, yeah. DEFINITELY i think that the Reason martone fell
is because he's a, winger and wingers tend to. Fall
smaller wingers fell a, lot So martone only falling a few,
spots maybe higher than he should have. Been was actually
pretty good for, him AND i think his bashing points
upside just make him that much higher for. Me hagen's

(50:51):
has huge points, upside but he's not going to. Bash
but he probably is a. CENTER i think that's the.
Question is he a winger or. Center he might slide
to the wing if he's a. Center that's part of
the reason why he went as high as he did
and didn't slide even. More BUT i really think he
has pretty big points, upside so that's WHY i have him.
Higher and certainly some of the OTHER gms OR nhl

(51:12):
players went higher because they're a little bit bigger and more.
Physical there was a lot of, that and that's Why
Brady martin went so high was because because he bangs
a lot And day one, a which we'll talk about.
Later and Then, JACOBRIEN i think part of the reason
why he went where he did was that he's not as,

(51:33):
physical so that's why he went. Eighth BUT i Think
seattle had to take him where they wanted where they
took him because he has super high points. Upside jacobrien
probably has top three points upside in this. Draft it's
just he doesn't really shoot a lot and it's mostly,
assists and so he needs to learn how to be
a little bit more selfish with the. Puck and he's
not very, physical so the concern is that he's going

(51:55):
to get pushed off the puck and get pushed around,
more and so that's part of the reason why he went.
Late but, yeah these guys all have super high points
upside and that's WHY i have him a little bit.
Higher and Then martine also with the, bash is why
he's the top of the. Three the other two don't
bash very.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
MUCH a number six, victory this is a big. Riser
Justin carboneau was actually drafted number nineteen by The Saint Louis.
Blues you had him thirteen slots higher than THE nhl
does up at pick number. Six tell us About Justin.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Carboneau, yeah AND i put my money where my mouth. Is,
today our Tidy admiral AND I ryan are in a
league together and the skull thirty, two and we had
the what was it the seventh overall pick and, wait
let me just double check, here, one, two, three, four, five, Six,

(52:45):
yeah and we decided to put our money where our
mouth is and Take Justin, carbonou by the, way in
case people were, wondering and When Misa Schaeffer Marton hagen's
day O a, O'Brien WHICH i probably would have, GONE
i would have, Gone we would have gone Dion a
O'Brien if he was But carboneau was the one that was,
left and so we took him ahead Of frontdella McQueen And,
eckland which he had the two were. Considering but back

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to your, Question carboneau is one of the few guys
after fifteen who has point per game, upside one of
the few players in this whole draft that has point
per game. Upside and he also. Bashes he's very, physical he,
hits he, scores he does all the. Things the reason
why he fell is because he's a winger and he's
not necessarily the best two. Way he's not so great.

(53:28):
Defensively but he did show improvement and he did show,
effort and so that's Why i'm confident in taking him
where he, is BECAUSE i think with the right coaching
and the right, structure he can get. There And Justin
CARBONEAU i believe can be a first line player in THE,
nhl and that's the REASON i have him so.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
High and then we know you were a great friend
to The Victor, ekland to The eckland. Family number, seven
you've Got Victor, eckland where he actually felt to number
sixteen in THE nhl. Draft why do you have him that?

Speaker 3 (53:58):
High us were confused why he fell so, much, because,
okay he's a, winger and yes he's a little bit
smaller five to, eleven But Victor eckland doesn't play like
a five to eleven. Winger he plays like he's six
foot five and a wrecking. Ball he's very, physical he's very.
Disruptive he's the type of winger you can put out
there in any. Situation he can get the puck back from.
You he's a menace on the ford. Check he's got

(54:19):
really good offensive instincts. Too he can get you a
goal if you're. Down he's he's just a treat of a.
Player SO i don't none of us could really understand
why they he fell so. LONG i think it really
basically comes down to centers and defense went. First centers
and defense went, first And Victor eckland fell the last
winger if you look at, it basically the only winger

(54:41):
that went ahead Of Victor ecklund was port Of, marton
and that's. Reasonable it's reasonable to Take martone Over. Eckland
and then it was centers and. Defense of, COURSE i
don't know that all those guys are actually going to be,
centers but they the teams think that they can be,
centers and so that's why he fell so. Long and
then actually you See Cole reshchnie and a couple of
guys that probably can be, centers like bill's On on

(55:02):
And Will, horcoff but those guys have much much lower points,
upside they but they probably are. Centers and so, yeah the,
lower the smaller sellar centers just fell so so. Much
BUT i don't think you should be concerned About ecklynn
because although he's not a, center but in, fantasy you
should definitely raise his stock because as we talked about,
earlier it's a little bit easier to have those wingers

(55:22):
become fantasy.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Relevant Anton, frondell there's reason That, Martina haagens and O'Brien
were able to, Rise and the first reason Is Anton
frondell falls in your rankings from his number three pick
to your number eight. Ranking you said he's got offensive,
upside he's going into a wide open situation In. Chicago
what's the deal With?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Frondell, YEAH i think the issue With frondell is That
i'm just not convinced how much his offense is going to.
Translate AND i asked EVERYBODY i could about that and
they all, said it'll. Translate i'm not worried about. It
but then WHEN i pressed him is to what does
that really? Mean does this mean he's like a seventy
to eighty point? Player and they said, NO i think

(56:03):
it's lower than. That, okay so if your physical sixty point,
center how? Exciting is that not super? Exciting SO i
think there's it really hedges on is he seventy plus
or is he sixty? Ish because that's a big difference in.
Fantasy SO i don't think he's as high As. Ekln
in every tournament he, played every, game he played all

(56:24):
the every situation Where eckland And frondell played, Together eckland
was the better. Player he didn't always score, more but
he was he created, more and he was the better.
Player so that's part of the. REASON i also refuse
to Put frondell ahead Of, eckland even though he went
ahead of him in THE Nhl. DRAFT i just Think
eckland is a better fantasy asset and probably a better

(56:44):
player all, around except For eckland is probably not a,
center And frondell maybe is.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
The next guy with big enough difference for us to
be talking. About Joshua. Ravensbergen we've talked about him a little,
bit but you like him going all the way up
from thirty in THE nhl draft. Too you have him
at number, ten twenty spots. Above what makes him such
an elite goalie prospect for this, Draft.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
WELL i think it's more that the other skaters aren't as.
Good that's really what it comes down. To it's not
THAT i like him that much. More it's not Like
walstad and a Scar, off where who are legitimately better
than a lot of the skaters. AVAILABLE i just think
that a lot of the skaters aren't as. GOOD i
think it's a significant question if you're saying WHAT i
Take reshnie or WHAT i take one of these other

(57:30):
skaters a little bit later as opposed To, RAVENSBERGEN i
think it would be a difficult, choice and it depends
on your. Team BUT i think what it comes down
to Is ravensbergen has certainly the upside to be at
number one starting goalie in THE, nhl and that's more
than a lot of these skaters have that are probably
second line at, best and so that's WHY i have
him so.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
High, okay and other guys we've talked about in this
episode or these, Episodes Cole reshnie goes to The Calvarry
flames at number, eighteen but you have him at number.
Eleven why Is reshne a riser.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Because he And carboneau are really the only two after
pick fifteen THAT i think can be top line. Players With,
Reshnie i'm a little less. Convinced that's WHY i have
him a little bit. Lower but he certainly has the,
Upside so that's why there's a little bit more. Volatility
that's why he's a little bit. Lower BUT i Think
Cole reshnie is pretty much the last of that group
that has significant line. Upside and so, yeah he's definitely

(58:33):
a fantasy the much more valuable than in real.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
Life and then the Quarterback Mason. West you have him
up at number, twelve whereas he actually went at number twenty.
Nine what makes the big fella from The Twin cities
a guy who goes higher up on your board.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Just so much, upside so much, risk but so much.
UPSIDE i think when you're getting into that, RANGE i
don't know THAT i would take him at. Twelve it
Really in, Fact ryan AND i were talking about where
would we Take Mason. West it probably would be somewhere
in the, teens maybe early, teens maybe middle, teens depending
on what was. Left it depends on who else is
reaching in your draft and what the setup of your league.

(59:12):
Is but certainly in a situation where IF i had
multiple first round, picks or IF i had multiple picks
in this, AREA i would probably throw one At Mason
west because and IF i, could IF i could stand
to wait that long to have someone be, productive THEN
i think he's worth it because upside is just so dang.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Appealing and then again, AGAIN i talked about some guys
who dropped a little bit you and you just mentioned
that you would think about Drafting caleb dan O yer pretty.
High but he And Brady martin slipped from four and
five in the regular draft to thirteen and fourteen on your,
board so you must be a little bit lower on these.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Guys, Yeah and that's a little. Misleading so it's not
THAT i like The Mason west better than those. GUYS
i Have Mason west at a seven point, eight which
means an eight percent chance of being a, Seven but
they Are martin And Carter bharer actually are super high
percent chance of being a. Six so those guys are
locks to be above average roster players on your fantasy.

(01:00:09):
TEAM i just don't think the upside is as. High
so While Mason west has a bigger, upside he also
has a much lower floor and that's hard to represent
in the. Numbers so that's misleading to, say which is
not exactly what you, said but it's misleading to think
that made THAT i Like Mason west more Than Deone
martin and some of the other guys after. That it's
not it's just THAT i think that his upside is.

(01:00:31):
Higher BUT, dna it comes back, to is the And
Brady martin really is the? Same is the points upside
high enough to get that excited about? It because both
those guys AND i would Throw carter Bhar, in they're
all bash a. Lot but what is the points? Upside
AND i asked EVERYONE i could about, that and they
all said fifty to sixty Points, okay so you have

(01:00:53):
a fifty to sixty point. Basher that's. Good that's a,
value that's a valuable asset in. Fantasy but is it.
Elite it's Not Brady, kochuk it's Not Matthew, kuchuk it's
not A, zovechkin it's not any of those guys that
we know and. Love it's a step a tier or
two tiers below. That so that's why they're a little bit.
Lower and that's what you have to keep in. Mind

(01:01:14):
BUT i do think that Especially martin And dao AND
A i'm a lot higher on Because i'm sure that
he can be a. CENTER i like his landing. Spot
he will probably get some looks on the top power
play in there In. Utah and he's a, basher he's a,
banger and he can score some. Points so if you're
like centers and they're valuable in your league for face
off wins and, that THEN i really Like. DAO A,

(01:01:36):
Martin i'm a little bit more worried that he's more
of a middle, sixer could be pushed down to the third.
LINE i think if you try to Make Brady martin
your top line, center that might not work. Out so,
well So i'm just a little bit more concerned about that.
One but, yeah that's, WHY i just don't think the
points upside is, there and that's a big.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Concern and next up you've mentioned him, earlier but another
of your guys who rows up a lot because he
was a, goalie but by far your biggest riser at
this point in the, draft But Terry, rimpinen who is
number sixteen on your. Board.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Victor, yeah, again just because the rest of the skaters
aren't very. Exciting SO i would take Rimpin in who
has a chance to be a starter in this. LEAGUE
i don't know that it's as strong, likelihood but he
has that, possibility SO i would take him over some
of the other options at that. Point, basically after like pick,
Fifteen i'm probably looking to just grab a goalie or

(01:02:28):
two BECAUSE i think the upside is much stronger for
the goalies than it is for the skaters in this.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
Draft, well one guy you had in that range actually
went in the second round Of, seattle a, defenseman but
you have him seventeen in your. Ranks Blake, fiddler the
defenseman For. Seattle what's the story? Here why does he
rise so much a couple of.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Reasons he's, big he's right, handed he's, physical he moves really,
well and he's really. Young he's still seventeen and his
dad Is Ernon, fidler who played like a thousand games THE.
Nhl so he has the, pedigree he has to know.
How he has the, frame he has the physical. TOOLS
i don't know that he's put it all together, yet

(01:03:10):
but he also plays on it played. Well he left
THE usntp to go to The Edmonton Oil, kings which
is probably a good move because he got a little
bit more, opportunity but he'll get even more opportunity next
year once he's been there for a. Year he didn't
get all the prime opportunities because he came a little
bit later to the. Game but he's someone WHO i
could see just absolutely popping off next year because he'll
have another year familiarity with the, team he'll have a

(01:03:32):
little bit more investment from the, organization and he'll just
be a year older because he's still seventeen for another
at the time we're recording this another week give him
a little bit more time to fill into his frame
and to have a summer training. Program AND i THINK
i Think Blake fiddler could be one of the surprises
in the next year or two to come out of
this draft and maybe push into that conversation of one

(01:03:52):
of the top defensemen from this. Draft right. NOW i
think he's he's up, there BUT i think he's in
the back half of who we're really excited, about but
has so much untapped potential that he could push himself
into that top s.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
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