Dr. Jeffrey Burke - Director of Education for Kokora Life

Dr. Jeffrey Burke
Take a walk with me down Fascination Street as I get to know Dr. Jeffrey Burke. Dr. Burke has been an expert in the natural products & herbal supplement industry for the past 4 decades. In this episode, we chat about how he got into that field, and why he decided to become a Naturopathic Practitioner, as well as a Master Herbalist. We discuss his 20,000 plus episodes of his national radio show, and why he ended it after 40 years. Dr. Burke also explains what a naturopathic practitioner is, what a master herbalist is, and what it means to be a certified nutritional consultant. Dr. Burke extolls the virtues and benefits of several natural products including: Ashwagandha, Turmeric, & others; and then tells me about how those herbs help alleviate the symptoms of stress, inflammation, and allergies. We discuss The Mediterranean Diet, and how the things that we become allergic to change with our environment. Dr. Jeffrey Burke recently became the Director of Education for Kokora Life; and as such, he tells me all about the new style of farming that Kokora is taking part in. The owner of Kokora Life is Ric Scalzo, a leader in the field for decades, and he has instituted Certified Regenerative Agriculture practices on his farm in Costa Rica. Dr. Burke tells me what that means, and why it is transforming the farming & agricultural landscape worldwide. Finally, we discuss his podcast: Honest Health With Dr. Jeffrey Burke. On his podcast, he speaks with industry experts, as well as athletes, dieticians, and food health professionals. He even does deep dives on some of the specific herbs & products offered by Kokora Life. His goal with that podcast is to educate folks on the benefits of these supplements, whether they use his company's brand or not. Find His show on Spotify & YouTube, and wherever you get your podcasts.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Welcome back, Street Walkers. This episode is with doctor Jeffrey Burke.
One of the very first things I do is I
ask doctor Burke what he is a doctor in What
kind of doctor is this guy? So he tells me
all about that, and that helps lend some credibility to
all of the things that we talked about that said.
In this episode, we talk about everything from his forty

(00:53):
two years as a talk radio host, where he did
over twenty thousand episodes of his show. We also talk
about why he stopped doing that and transitioned to be
the director of education for Cocora Life. Cakora Life is
a vitamin and herb supplement company that focuses on regenerative

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agriculture and farming and grows their products in Costa Rica.
Some of the things we talked about in this episode
are allergies and how to keep those under control. I
don't know about you, but I have some pretty bad
allergies sometimes where I'm at and Doctor Burke has a
history of allergies as well. He lives in Las Vegas,
and that by itself presents a whole set of allergens

(01:36):
and whatnot. So we talk about some of those things.
We talk about certified organic and what that means. We
talk about a twins study and how even with twins,
some things that work for one person won't work for
the other, and vice versa. We also talk about how
hard it is to find a trustworthy place to even
get the knowledge of what's going to work for us

(01:58):
and what's not, what's quackery, and what's the real deal.
So we talk a lot about how we would even
find a trustworthy source for that information. Of course, we
talk about what is regenerator of agriculture and why it matters.
We also talk about inflammation, stress, and diet. Of course,
we talk about some of the products that Cokora Life
offers and some of the benefits for these products, whether

(02:20):
you get them from Cocora Life or not, they have
health benefits and so we talk about some of the
ways that those help us and how to get more
out of some of those vitamins. Finally, we talk about
doctor Jeffrey Burke's podcast. It is called Honest Health with
Doctor Jeffrey Burke. On his podcast, he talks about and

(02:42):
with some of the most influential people in the health
and herb industry. He also talks to regular folks. He
talks to actors and athletes and people about their lifestyle
and their health regimens and what they're taking and why
some of the things that they're doing, whether it's diet
or exercise, and why they chose those particular things. To

(03:02):
find out more about doctor Jeffrey Burke, you can go
to doctor Jeffreyburke dot com. And this is my conversation
with the director of Education for Kukora Life and the
host of Honest Health with Doctor Jeffrey Burke, Doctor Jeffrey Burke.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
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Speaker 2 (03:27):
To me pafinating.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Welcome to Fascination the Street podcast, Doctor Jeffrey Burke.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
How you doing it, Amen, I'm doing fantastic with an honor.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Oh, the pleasure is mine, dude. I don't know if
I've talked to very many people with this much microphone
experience as you. Oh my gosh, you had your own
show for twenty thousand episodes. That's not even a real number.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
You know, but you stretch it out over forty two
years and it makes a lot more sense. And you know,
I got yelled at for talking when I was a kid,
and now I get paid to talk. It's been wonderful.
But no, I ended it a little over a year
ago because you know, terrestrial radio has changed, you know,
so dramatically. And after I ended it, I went through
massive microphone withdrawal. So I started a podcast and it's

(04:14):
been really fun to be able to reinterview people that
I had on ten twenty thirty years ago, to see
if their mentality and ideas and philosophies were the same.
Earth they changed, So it's been kind of kind of fun.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I can't imagine many of them stayed the same.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Everybody changes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
So what we're going to do, Jeffrey a doctor Burke
is I like to start from the beginning. It helps
us understand how they guess got from where they were
to where they are. So where were you born and raised?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Man?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Where'd you grow up?

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I was born in Michigan, born and raised there where
outside ann Arbor?

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Okay, all right, so you're not like an eight mile guy. Okay,
I got you. I got you.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Loved it was there, went there, went to school there,
moved to California.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Why did you move to California?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know, I just thought there were a lot more
opportunities out there. And I was working part time in
a health food store during college just to make bank
and waiting on tables and all that kind of stuff,
and I figured I could do both of those in California.
And I was lucky enough to connect with doctor ERL. Mindell,
who was one of the first really big, you know,
authors that were in our industry. And he kind of
took me under his wing. And you know, he had

(05:19):
a chain of stores out there, big chain, like one
hundred and eighty stores. And I was barely twenty and
I went to a radio show with him, and I
never gave his microphone back after he handed it to me,
and ended up running his stores. And you know, here
we are and forty six years later.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
So what did you want to be? I know you
were working at health food stores and waiting tables just
to pay the bills, But what was the goal? What
was the purpose? What did you want to be when
you grew up.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I thought I'd be a doctor, I really did, but
I decided against going the straight MD medical route. And
my grandmother was an herbalist. She was amazing and I
learned a lot from her. And the more I thought,
the more I kind of applied the values and everything
I was learning, I wanted to work on the other
side of the fence. And it wasn't easy back then
because as we had huge obstacles and we were fighting
up against the medical establishment, which today we work a

(06:05):
lot more hand in hand with out of probably necessity,
but it was still still something I wanted to do.
I wanted to be able to tap into Mother Nature
and see what she provided for us. And it's been
an absolutely incredible journey and still learning every day, and
every time you think you know it all, you get
a little cocky reality that you don't love it.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
So now I keep saying, doctor Jeffrey Burke, because you're
a doctor, a doctor, and what.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I'm a naturopathic practitioner. I'm a Master Herbalist. I'm also
certified nutritional consultant. Those are things that I did just
because I wanted to further my education, and to me,
it was really important to be able to have some
accolades and things to go along with what I was doing,
because you know, the more visible you get in any career,
especially if you're dealing with things that have to do
with health and well being, you know, people want some letters,

(06:52):
you know, they want some accolades, and for me, it
was just another way of just you know, taking things
to the next level. And you know, it was It's
really funny because you know, I was on the air
for probably twenty years before I decided to go back
to school and do all my training, and it's just
all of a sudden, these letters pop up with your name,
you know, your NDMH and all that kind of stuff,
and everybody's like, oh, I'll talk to you now. I'm

(07:15):
just like, okay, you know, I'm the same person as
I was before. I may know a little bit more now,
but it's just kind of weird how we put a
lot of emphasis on that and rather than what the
person really is and what they know. You know, it's
all about where they've been and what they did, you know,
so it's all good.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I agree completely. A few years ago, a few years ago,
a bunch of years ago, like thirty five years ago,
forty years ago, I started getting into rap music and
I really started listening to, you know, a bunch of
groups I ever heard of, because you know, this kind
of music was new to me. And then this guy
comes on the scene. His name is doctor Dre and
I'm like, oh, well he's a doctor, so I've got

(07:51):
to check out what this guy's you had to say.
And then Molly Crue came out with like doctor feel Good.
I'm like, well, he's a doctor, he must know what
he's talked about. So I think that maybe I'm going
to start calling myself doctor Steve Owens.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I think that would be wonderful and very apropos I
love it.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
And then for the letters behind my name, you know,
my show is called Fascination Street Podcast. I'm just gonna
be like doctor Steve Owens FSP.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think it'll work.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I just decided that right now. You inspired me, my friend.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Ah, you're funny, thank you.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
You said a couple of times. Our industry, our industry,
what is our industry you were talking about, you know yourself.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Obviously, I include everybody in it because I think it
applies to everyone around me, whether whether they've tiptoed through
it or not, or stuck their foot in the water
to test the water. Our industry. When I'm talking about that,
I'm talking about our natural products industry, the industry of
really working on your health and well being, doing everything
you can to be as healthy and to be the
best version of yourself as you can. And I think

(08:48):
a lot of people have really opened their mind a
lot more since when I first began, you know, to
the point where we know we need to make changes.
The hard part is applying it, and the hard part
is sticking with it and not being impatient and wanting
results by Friday, because we all do. We all want
the magic Wand But when I say our industry, I
mean the industry that all of us should be a
part of because it actually applies to us as a whole,

(09:11):
but also to every one of us individually to be
able to be what we can be and you know,
do everything we can do and be as healthy along
the way and maybe prevent or slow down or maybe
remedy some of the health things that we pick up
along the way.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Or some of the aging like you, you look like
a little boy.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Filters are great.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Filters and lighting folks. I'm going to push back a
little bit. You said the hard part of the industry
is getting people to apply their knowledge and whatnot, getting
people to actually do the thing and then to stick
with it. I'm going to disagree with you. The hard
part is three parts, and the very first part is
the knowledge. I think the hardest thing for us these

(09:52):
days in twenty twenty five is knowing where to get
the knowledge and knowing who to believe and who to trust.
Because right now, you could pick any topic. It doesn't
matter what the topic is. You could decide that the
topic is the color pink, and you can listen to
one TV or radio station in or network and it
will tell you that the color pink is actually a dark, dark,

(10:17):
dark black. And then you can listen to the exact
other network and they will tell you that the color
pink is a white.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Agree.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
And so, what I don't understand is how people are
supposed to navigate this world where we don't know who
to trust. Everybody is saying that the other person is
a liar. So I think that the number one hardest
part of any industry really is gaining the knowledge like
how to know who to trust and where to go
to find accurate information. And since this is what you do,

(10:49):
I got to ask you, man, how do we know
who to trust?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, you know, I think we make a lot of
mistakes along the way, but that's who we are, especially
when it comes to let's just pick a basic topic,
go on a diet and weight loss. You know, people
want to lose weight, they want to make a change,
they want to make a difference. They're tired of squeezing
into their clothes, they don't feel good, they lose their breath,
you know, and they know there's an issue that knows
the problem. So rather than reaching out, let's say going

(11:13):
to a really good quality health food store, talking with
someone that's been in the industry for a long time
that can actually go through things like diet and that
kind of stuff. They don't do that. They listen to
what their coworkers doing, and their cohor has been doing
this and maybe successfully, but we don't all fit in
the same box, you know. So you may be able
to meet them at the finish line, but you may
need to follow a completely different path. So to your question,

(11:34):
I would say, make sure that you're researching, and some
of the best research are where you can go somewhere
and read studies on the things you're interested in that
have been published, which means that they've crossed the t's,
they've dotted the eyes, they've done it right, they've been published.
So I use a lot of PubMed because really, to
your point, you know, you can go on and click
anything you want and somebody will agree with you somewhere

(11:55):
on your philosophy. You may be the only person in
the world that says this, and you know it's wrong,
but you'll have somebody I agree with you, just you
can say, see, I told you. The other thing is patience.
You know, people want instantaneous information and they want instantaneous results,
and that's almost impossible to do that because we did
not get in whatever situation we are in in our
life overnight. It took time for us to get this

(12:17):
out of shape, this unhealthy, this whatever. On my radio show,
I've always kept a philosophy for many many years that
I wanted people to be truthful and honest, and if
I knew they weren't, I would end my radio show
and I would take the guest off the air because
I'm very, very transparent, even before the word transparent was
even being used, and because I was an influencer before
an influencer was even talked about, because I was putting

(12:38):
my name on things that I felt were really, really
high quality, I wanted to make sure that people always
had the tools that they needed. So when I started
my podcast, I named it Honest Health because I wanted
to pay up a platform where people could go and
get honest and truthful information from the best minds in
the industry, showing facts and figures and being able to
give people the tools so they ultimately can make up

(12:58):
their decision, but they're not tooinging it blindly. We give
them tools because I think today the people that make
the best decisions are the ones that ask the questions,
and sometimes the ones that are not are stumbling maybe
maybe didn't ask anyone and are just kind of just
trying to get a quick response really well, but they
didn't do their homework, And I just think that that's
really important. But to your point, you know, information it

(13:19):
is very key, and I think that there's plenty of
it out there, but then we have to research the research,
and that makes it very confusing.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
So what I'm hearing is that we should find a
piece of information that we think might be true and
then research it on our own to make sure that
it is accurate and truthful in the way that we're
hoping it will be absolutely a grade one D percent.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
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Speaker 1 (13:56):
When you said that we're not all the same, and
that things that work for me won't work for you,
and things that work for you won't work for me,
that reminds me of a story that I would like
for you to share, if you don't mind. You have
three friends in Las Vegas, and they all came to
you and said, hey man, we want to lose some weight.
We're all going to do the exact same thing. Tell

(14:18):
me a story about your three friends.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well, the problem is everyone is coming from a different direction.
Everyone may have the same philosophy in their mind or
the same end goal, and that they know what the
resolution will be, where they lose weight and they're comfortable
and they feel better in and out of their clothes.
That's their goal. The problem is this person can be
a smoker, this person not be a smoker. This person
drinks too much. This one is active, this one is not.

(14:40):
This one works eighty hours a week. This one is
financially stable and doesn't work. This one is retired.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
First off, I know which two of those I want
to hang out with.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay, go ahead, So you're funny, but you know, the
thing is, because everybody's coming from a different direction. And
if I can, I want to just interject something. I've
been waiting on three sents of identical twins for i'll
be forty years and I've known them. They're my friends,
and i've known them. I see them every once in
a while. I've been through all their nutrition, all their
kids and everything with them. And I'm talking three sets
of identical twins now all in their sixties.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
When you say I've been waiting on them, what does
that mean?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
In health food stores consuls, you know, sat down and
did one on ones with them, went through them with
surgeries and worked with them with their medication and doctors
and all that stuff. So I know them very well intimately.
But what I learned is, even though you may be
looking at these two people that are still genetically almost identical,
even though you can see little differences in them over
the years. Their nutritional supplementation and their diets and everything

(15:36):
could be completely different because they're both coming from a
different place. You know. One is taking care of themselves,
the other one didn't. This one didn't smoke or drink,
this one did weigh too much of both. This one
has gained a lot of weight. This one is kept thin,
you know. So they are completely different, although identically genetically.
So if identical twins could be not fitting in the
same box, all of us cannot fit in the same box,

(15:58):
you know. And I think we just to remember that,
you know, we have to take into consideration the things
we've done, the things we should have done, where we're
really trying to be, and all of that measured with
us being patient that it's going to take a while
to get there.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
To your point, there is a pair of identical twins. Okay,
these are two dudes. They both went into the Navy.
They both became pilots, they both became astronauts. They both
flew in space. One of them became the commander of
the International Space Station. He was the commander there for
a year. His name is Scott Kelly. At the time

(16:33):
that I interviewed him for my show, he had the
record for the most consecutive days in space by any human.
He has a twin brother named Mark, who did all
of the same things, except that he did not spend
a year in space. NASA used both of them in
a study to see the effects that you know, long
time exposure to no gravity or whatever would have. And

(16:54):
so Mark Kelly down here on Earth and Scott Kelly
up in the International Space Station. They ate the exact
same diet, they did the exact same exercises, They did
everything exactly the same to the best that they could
because of the differences in location. But that study showed that,
like you just said, some of the things that worked
for one of them didn't work for the other one.

(17:16):
The study was cool because it showed kind of the
differences that a zero gravity environment would have on a
human body, but it was kind of inconclusive because they
couldn't figure out if the results of the study were
altered because of the lower gravity, or if they're just
genetically that much different even though they're identical. So I

(17:38):
love that, like, even with twins, everything doesn't work for everybody.
So I love that that's part of the story that
you share when you're doing these talks. We're going to
talk about a bunch of different things. But first I
got a note. You live in Las Vegas. I do
you have horses and participate in rodeos? What does that mean?

(18:00):
I'm in San Antonio. This is Rodeochapital in the world.
What are you talking about.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
We did competition for a very long time, barrel racing
and roping and that kind of stuff. And you'll find
me now probably in the announcers booth more than anything else,
because I talk and I go to big events, and
especially if their benefit events like Alzheimer's and cancer and
down Center and stuff like that, You're going to find
me up there announcing because I refuse to let them
pay an announcer when I can do it, you know.

(18:26):
So for me, I do a lot of benefits. I
do them, you know, in Arizona, I've done them, in Utah.
I do them at one of the equestrian centers out
here in Las Vegas when I have time, because I
travel so extensively. It's fun because on my podcast, I've
opened up the door to professional athletes and entertainers as well,
just kind of broadening beside just the natural products industry,
all those great guys and ladies that I have on

(18:47):
so I'm learning about, you know, what they do behind
the scenes, because it's important. These are amazing athletes, and
I don't think people know you know what it takes
to run a twelve hundred pound horse, you know what
I mean, and be able to be one with this horse.
It takes a lot of work. So you'll see me
most of the time now up in the announcers booth
and working with all my friends that come out here
for national finals. You know, every year in December, the

(19:08):
top fifteen in every category and a lot of my
friends make that top fifteen and I get to interview
them as well. So I mean, it's a lot of fun.
And I love horses and I love dogs. I was
raised around them and swore to God that I'd never
be into it again, and here we are. So you
get it in your blood. I don't think you can
change your heritage and your genes that way. I think
if you're meant to do it, you're meant to do it.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I love it. You have spent the vast majority of
your life in the natural products industry. I have why
why did you stay? You've had so much experience behind
a microphone talking to people, networking and doing all this stuff.
What compelled you to stay in this particular industry for

(19:51):
your entire life.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I love being able to provide answers in one of
the biggest categories that needs the most attention, health and
well being, and dealing with the frustration and the naiveness
or the lack of knowledge in those areas. I do
tons and tons of zooms, I do tons of meetings,
but I'm at my best when I'm in front of
an audience, you know, and I'm in front of them.

(20:13):
If I'm sitting at a table with a staff with
a health food store with eight to ten people, or
if I'm in front of an audience with ten thousand,
you know, I do really well because I like to
face to face camaraderie. Even with the podcast, you know,
forty some years of doing radio on a phone, and
now I get to actually see the person I'm talking
with and have this wonderful interaction that changes the whole

(20:34):
value in the whole tone of the interview that you
can't do on a phone, you know. Being able to
see people's faces and interact and get to know them,
and to me, that's wonderful. And I'm the same way
in front of an audience. I've never met a stranger,
and I drive my friend's crazy because we walk through
all these big venues and I talk to everybody. They
always say the same thing, Must you talk to everyone?

(20:56):
And I'm like, yeah, that's who I am. I didn't
do well with the pandemic. I didn't do well at home,
you know. I'd called the company that I was working
with and I just told them, I said, look, you
gotta get me on the road. I said, I'm talking
to my dogs, I'm talking to my horses. They're talking back,
We're having conversations. I need people. So they got me
back on the road because I think that that's what
it's about. That's where my passion is. Being able to
give people information, give them enough to make up their

(21:17):
own minds, but also give them the correct tools so
they can actually make better, wiser, healthier decisions. Because that's
what it's all about. That's why, you know. And I
thought about it over the years. You know, what else
could I do? And probably a lot of things, but
nothing that's going to have this kind of impact on
the passion in my heart.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
All Right, this next question is going to sound disrespectful.
I don't mean it that way at all. Okay, Yes, sir,
you have allergies.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
I do.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Sometimes they're severe. Even it took you forty years to
get your loss vegas allergies under control, and you're an expert,
what hope do the rest of us have? We're not experts.
I've been san Antonio. I have the wordst allergies. What
hope do I have if it took you, an expert
forty years to get yours?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I think that as our bodies go through and age
and continue to move toward the end part of our life,
we go through changes.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Are you saying I'm in menopause?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I am. And I grew up in the Midwest. In
the Midwest, I was allergic to birch trees, maple trees, ragweed,
and golden rock. I had them my whole childhood. I'd
moved to the coast, I had no allergies. I moved
to Las Vegas. I had no allergies for probably ten years.
All sudden it was mulberry, oleander, bermuda grass, juniper, Italian Cyprus,

(22:31):
and then I had it. I never had it really bad,
but I had an up that was annoying. And then
I started my some different nutritional supplements. I changed the diet,
cut back on the dairy, did all that stuff. Allergies
disappeared for ten years, and then all of a sudden
they came back again. So it's either that I let
my resistance go down, or my body was focusing on
other things it thought more important, or we have a

(22:54):
lot more things that are coming at us. You know,
when I first moved here, it was mostly desert. There
really wasn't a lot of stuff here. A lot of
mulberries and oleanders at that point, but we had very
little people living here. And now everybody's here, and they
all brought their plants with them, and they're swimming pools
and everything else. So we have all this topography that's
here now that we didn't have before. So you may
have gotten some of those allergies out under control, but

(23:17):
you're also kind of like aimed in that door. You're
predestined toward having allergy problems, and now you have all
these new plants, so you may develop new allergies to
things you never were allergic to. So it's a perpetual process.
I mean I know what to do, I know how
to do with it and how to deal with it,
and I get flare ups once in a while, but
not that much, nothing like before, because I kind of

(23:37):
took control of it and I know what to do where,
and I don't just use something from the drug store
to just to kind of cover it up. I try
to build my resistance so it deals with it more effectively.
But the world, in Vegas and like other parts of
the world, Texas as well, it's gotten more populated. People
are encroaching in on those wide open territories. A lot
of people are moving in. It's the same thing here,
and they're bringing their plants, so new allergies kind of

(24:00):
pop up. I was just on the East Coast. I
was there for two weeks with the humidity, not a sneeze, nothing,
But I have a feeling if I moved there and
I stayed there, within a couple of years, everything they
have back there might become a problem. I hope that
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
It does. I'm so glad I asked. That was a
great answer.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Forty two years as a talk radio host, Yeah, why'd
you quit.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Just because radio has changed? You know, there was a time.
You know, if you think that you're older like me,
and you think back, obviously a little bit before me,
but you go back to like the fifties and sixties
where the whole family would sit around the big radio
in the living room and everybody would listen to shows.
But that's how radio was for a long time. People
knew when your shows were coming on. I was doing
two or three a day. They would be in front
of their radio, they'd be in the car, they'd be

(24:44):
listening because that's when I was on. They didn't have
streaming at that point, they didn't have, you know, anything
else where people could listen. There was no other platform.
So it just gets to the point that now we
have podcasts and people can be at the gym and
they could be listening to a podcast while they're on
the treadmill. And it's been kind of interesting that that
has been and has allowed people to be able to
be flexible with their knowledge and do it on their

(25:06):
own time schedule. I mean, look at Las Vegas. We're
a twenty four hour town. People are awake when they
should be sleeping, and people should be sleeping when they're
awake because twenty four hour town so people are on
different schedules. So I just decided that it was time
to move on from it because regular radio has changed
so dramatically. And then I started really doing my research
on podcasts. I thought to myself, why not put something

(25:26):
out there and then when people want to listen, they can,
And that just made the most sense.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
And you already had the setup at your house, right,
because you were at it for a while. You were
doing that radio show from your house, right.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
I did at the studio for many years, but then
I moved everything.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Home asdd line or whatever it's called.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Right. I had ISDN forever, and then we moved to
a Rolex, a Rolodex, you know kind of file where
I'd record it and send it. And now today you
know things like zoom and riverside and stuff like that.
It's unbelievable. I love it. I think that we have
a lot of technology to play with today, and I
think we can bring a really good message and make
it clear and make it auto and at the same
time be able to deliver a message. I like that

(26:03):
people can go on like a Spotify or something and
just listen to an audio when they're driving, like an
audiobook almost and I like when they're sitting down they
can actually watch the people that they want to see interact.
I love that availability.

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Speaker 4 (27:00):
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Speaker 1 (27:07):
I'm going to ask you about some things, and I
want you to tell me why they're important and why
I should care about these things. Okay, sure, Yes, let's
talk about inflammation. Why is that important and why do
I care about inflammation?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Well, if you asked one hundred people in the middle
of Times Square what inflammation was, almost everyone would say arthritis.
It's one of the things that inflammation does cause to
be worse and to degenerate and cause more deterioration in
the body. But inflammation is also ezema, piriasis, dermatitis, severia.
It's also an upset gut, stomach, it's a urinary track,
it's a bladder, it's a kidney infection. Everything in your

(27:42):
body where there's a state of heightened acceleration of a
problem in your body is usually inflammation driven. Now that
being said, inflammation is necessary because of your cut, if
you're healing, if you're coming out of surgery, if you
had an accident. Inflammation is what brings the blood and
the nutrients to do the healing of the sores and
the wounds, or the covering from surgery. Our problem is
we live in a country where most of our foods

(28:04):
are inflammatory. We process foods, junk food, fast food, garbage food,
and all of it is inflammatory driven, so it can
actually raise our levels of inflammation in our body versus
going to like grease and eating an anti inflammatory diet
like the Mediterranean diet that doesn't raise your inflammatory levels,
that actually helps to lower them. So the thing is
we have to understand that inflammation is important. People say,

(28:26):
I want to get rid of my inflammation. No, you
want to manage your inflammation. And that's where things like
omega three fatty acids come in, and things like a
good quality turmeric, buzzwellia, you know, vitamin E, a good
multiple vitamin, a good methyl b complex, you know, using
some nutrients to really make a difference. But you have
to lay the foundation of the home before you build

(28:47):
the walls. And the foundation is rest and sleep, plenty
of hydration, plenty of water, activity, movement, eating a diet
that is healthy and nutritious that brings in the foods
that make a difference, Positivity and getting rid of negativity,
finding some level of happiness and joy. Those are all
the foundations of building your home. With the rebar and
the cement. From there you build the walls, and the

(29:09):
walls are the nutrients and the things that you can
do to make a difference. It doesn't mean you have
to run to the doctor and get an anti inflammatory,
although they have their place. You can do things naturally
and many times get as good or better results without
the end result of side effects.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Love it, Thank you. How about stress? Why do I
care about stress?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Man? Well, you know, for some people with me, stress
sometimes can be very motivating. It actually can kick me
square in the pants and get me to finish an
article that I'm due and then I waited till last minute,
or you know, get me to pack because I'm leaving
there import in two hours. Or you know, I've got
to fit in two more podcasts because I slacked off
during the week and I got to get two in
before noon the next day, and I got to call

(29:50):
my guest and plead to have them come on. You know,
thank you, please, I owe you. And it can be motivating.
But for most people's stress is debilitating. It's harmful. It
can do everything from cause heart to z increase your
blood pressure, it can elevate your blood sugar. It can
keep you from sleeping, It can cause insomnia. It can
cause nervousness, anxiety, depression. It can slow your body's healing

(30:11):
powers down, It keeps you from being focused, It affects
your cognitive levels. And if your stress is out of control,
you need to make changes. What do they say? The
definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and
over and expecting a different outcome. There is no different outcome.
If you're doing the same thing over and over, you're
gonna have the same thing. And in this case, the
stressed out, burnt out, fried out life. So we have

(30:32):
to make changes, but we don't have to make them
all at once. And that's where the overwhelming part comes,
because people see this wall of possible changes and they're like,
I can't do it. I'll deal with it. No, Start
with your diet. Start with getting a good quality night's sleep,
you know, Start drinking more water. Start going for a
walk every night. You know, walk that overweight dog that
got fat during the pandemic and we haven't let them

(30:53):
lose their weight yet. So you know, get outside, be
a little bit more social. People that are really stressed
tend to be reclusive many time. Get out and talk
to some people. Talk to people. You have to have
interaction just a short conversation interaction can actually balance your
stress very effectively. But find a resolution and realize, yes,
I am under stress and admit it. There's no shame

(31:16):
in being stressed. Very positive, amazing people that are the
go to people in the world that are solving and
helping everybody else around them are usually the ones that
are the most stressed themselves because they aim nothing at
benefiting themselves, because they're putting everything they have out to
everybody around them to make their lives better. Kudos, but
you can't pour from an empty cup. Love it.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Let's talk about diet. You mentioned diet as one of
the foundations for building the house again. Like we talked
about earlier, there's so many places that will tell you
what diet is better than this diet, and this diet
is better than that diet, and that diet is going
to kill you. And I just actually heard a doctor
talking about the right way to eat and he said this,
and it made me laugh so hard I stopped listening

(31:59):
right at that moment. He said, everybody says their diet
is better and this diet is better than that diet,
But I eat the right way. I am one hundred
percent keto plus heart healthy grains and a bread that's
made out of seeds. Now that is not keto. Neither
one of those other two things are keto. So right,

(32:20):
I just started laughing, and I just I stopped listening.
How do we know what is the right diet? And
is it like the things that you say earlier, where
different diets work better for different people. How do we
find this diet information?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I think we need to stop looking at things like
it's a miracle.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
But wait a minute, what about that it's shiny little
pill that's really cool now and everybody on the West
coast is taking it. Isn't that a miracle?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's a miracle. They're still taking it.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
But there's no there's no consequences right now.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
You know, there are things that slow down your appetite.
There are things that give you energy, There are things
that help your exercise work more effectively, things that increase
your heart rate, things that may help you burn fat
a little bit better. But when it comes to food,
the diet that works the best for you is the
diet that works the best for you, the one you
will stick with, the one that you will get behind.

(33:07):
And I tell people you have to give yourself and
make a contract with yourself that whatever way of eating
you choose, and I do that rather than calling it
a diet, rather call it a way of eating. You
give yourself ninety days because the takes for your body
to let go and change and process and move on
from a very unhealthy way of living that most of
us live. If I had to choose one that I

(33:28):
think most people would be able to eat and probably
see dramatic differences, not just in their weight and their
gut and their belly and their energy, but also in
their overall health, their well being, their cardiovascular health, their
cognitive health, would be a Mediterranean diet. And it goes
back to the question from before. It is an anti
inflammatory diet. It makes a dramatic difference because you're eating

(33:49):
the best of all the categories and you can pick
within there. And I usually tell people pull up and
google Mediterranean diet and the foods allowed. Pick your foods
from that list. If it's not on the list, don't
bring it in because it's either processed, or it's inflammatory,
or it's not going to work with the program. And
I have never put anyone or recommended a Mediterranean diet

(34:10):
for someone for three months that did not lose weight
and feel better than they have in their entire life
because it made a dramatic difference. Real quick story. I
have a friend of mine twins. This is another twins story.
Both overweight, both smokers, both drinkers, waited on them for
many many years.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Is it the same astronaut twins I was talking about
It sounds just like them. No overweight smokers.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
No, hardly one goes to Greece, she gets eight years
stay over there. She was an art teacher and her
friend had a place and she went there and she
lived there for a year. While she was there, she
found out that you have to walk a half a
mile into the town to be able to get fish
and vegetables and fruits and all that. So she wasn't
a walker, so it took her a little while to
get into the routine, but she started to like it.

(34:50):
And then she met a woman there that lived in
Greece that taught her how to cook. So she said,
I'll teach you how to cook if you teach me
how to paint. And she was right near the water,
so she would set up and people started catching on
and they were coming over and she was giving classes
in painting, sitting by their easels, and everyone was teaching
her the recipes. She got really good at it, so
she started giving cooking classes and painting classes. She's there

(35:13):
the whole year, feels fantastic. A doctor there and Greece
got her off all her medications. She lose a ton
of weight. She comes back to the States. She doesn't
even look like she's related to her twin. She's thin
and tan and healthy, on no medication, not drinking, not smoking,
none of that. Saw the two of them and I
was just like, I couldn't believe the dramatic difference. And

(35:34):
she was happy. She lasted three weeks here, three weeks
moved back to Greece. She said, I can't do it.
She goes, I don't want to be here. It's unhealthy here.
I need that environment. So environment is part of it.
Having a support group around you is also really important.
And choosing something that you can stick with long enough
to actually see some change. You know, people stick with

(35:56):
things for just a short time. Look at New Year's resolutions,
you know, Steve, people are They do their resolutions for
like a week. I saw this cartoon in the beginning
of this year, and I've seen it before. It's a
building and it's a gym. It says January first, and
then there's a picture below it and it says January
twenty first. It's a bar. We do this because we're
so impatient. We have to want to We really want
to change. We want to feel better, we want to

(36:18):
look better, and we want to feel better in our clothes,
out of our clothes, and you know, we want to
be better. Intimately, we want all that good stuff, but
sometimes we just don't want to do the work that's involved.
That's my answer. I hope that's I go roundabout.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Sorry, No, that's fantastic. I want to talk about certified organic.
What is the definition of certified organic?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Probably the easiest definition. And just so you know, organic
started in the forties.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Oh, back when people were huddled around their radios.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, but it really started to kick in read about
nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine eighty. And I remember when
I started hearing about organic and I lived in farm
country in the Midwest, So I mean, I thought it
was fantastic because I could eat fruits and vegetables that
taste incredible and no chemicals and It's been that way
for a long time. And if you could afford it,
and you could fit it in your budget and you
could do organic, most people choose it. But you know,

(37:05):
we're forty five years later now and organic has changed dramatically.
You still get no chemicals, no herbicides, no GMOs, nothing there.
So the crop itself doesn't have any of those chemicals
in it or on what's growing. But the soil is
a disaster. Now. We haven't done anything with the soil,
you know, We've overtilled it and most of the top
soil is blown away. We don't add a lot of

(37:25):
good stuff to the soil, and we're learning a lot
about the next step, which was regenerative, which actually focuses
on the soil. So I tell people, if you're talking organic,
you're talking about the crop. If you're talking regenerative, you're
talking about the soil. You know, so it does make
a difference. Do I still choose organic if I can? Yes,
If I can get certified organic and certified regenerative fruits
and vegetables, I know I'm getting better quality, better taste,

(37:48):
better nutrient value than I would with just plain old
certified organic. But is certified organic still good, absolutely, because
you're not getting the chemicals.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
This is a weird question, okay, certified organic vegan? Yeah,
what do they use to fertilize organic plants?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
You know organic? They use a lot of things like
horse maneuver stare manure.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Okay, So if that's a product of an animal that
they use to fertilize these plants, how is that still
vegan if it's growing in.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
If they're doing a vegan organic field, then they will
do only things that are not animal touched, like a
standard organic. They would go ahead and they would use
natural things in the soil, and natural things that bring microbiome,
you know, benefits of good bacteria into the soil. I'll
give you an example the farm that I work with
with Cocora, which is down in Costa Rica. They feed

(38:41):
their soil by going out of the woods and collecting
herbs and collecting bark and trees and roots and leaves
and moss, and they bring it back and they chop
it all up. And then what they do is they
mix things like cemlina flour and green bananas, coffee grounds
and eggshells and things like that that build the soil
and it's basically for helping to build the soil. They

(39:01):
put it in fifty pound bags. They put it in
two hundred gallon water containers and let it seep out,
so it's like a liquid mulch, like a tea bag. Yeah, exactly,
And that's what they do. It just kind of steeps
in there and then they use that in the soil
and what it does is it makes the soil very rich.
Organic doesn't focus as much on the soil. Regenerative focuses
primarily on the soil, but follows organic standards. You know,

(39:25):
the difference is when you see an organic crop, you'll
see dirt and then rows and rows of plants. With
regenerative you'll see crops, but you'll see plants and green
in between the crops because they know that if you
keep a green belt completely green all over the whole
one hundred acres, you're going to be drawing a lot
of carbon from the environment down into the soil. You're
going to build a stronger microbiome, You're going to build

(39:47):
a stronger soil that's more nutritive. And with this wonderful
solution they mix in the soil, everything grows huge and fast.
With deep roots, and the nutritional value and the taste
and the potency of the things you grow is so
much more effective. So the whole idea of organic is wonderful,
you know, because there's no chemicals. And that's really the

(40:07):
way we started. But as everything else in this country
and around the world, we're advancing, and now we have
to start looking back because we've ignored the soil. We
really haven't paid attention to it. I don't think anyone
thought about it until we started really testing the nutritional
value of things growing organically. And this is not just here.
Around the world, many people are starting to convert their
organic farms to regenerative organic farms because they know the

(40:30):
quality and the intensity and the potency and the purity
is better, but also the crops are larger. Rick Scalzo
the owner founder of Cocora. He was actually the man
that founded Gaya Herbs thirty some years ago and really
brought herbs to the United States growing at his farm
which was organic and Brevard, North Carolina. His first year
on his new farm in Costa Rica, he grew turmeric

(40:50):
and he had a beautiful crop growing it organically. The
next year he grew it regeneratively and the crop was
five times bigger, so there's an added plus there. Around
the world, people are making lots of babies. The birth
rate is up around the world. It's just very low
in the United States. We're not making babies here, but
around the world there's plenty of miles to feed. And
if we can convert to regenerative and people can grow bigger,

(41:11):
healthier crops, that's more people being fed, and we're also
protecting the soil for generations down the road.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
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Speaker 1 (41:31):
You mentioned Corkorra. Now you are the director of education
for Kokorra Life. Tell me how you came to be
the director and why you decided to take that job.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I followed Rick's career for decades, and unbelievably, he's one
of the few people in the industry that never did
my radio show, which is kind of comical.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
That's funny. I was going to ask if that's how
you met him.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
No, no, no, no, it's just very funny. And then his
national sales director and vice president is a very good
friend of mine and I worked with her with other
companies and did radio shows with all those companies, and
they were looking and she said, are you interested? And
I said, yeah, let's do an interview. So we sat
down and we did an interview with the three of us,
and it was supposed to be like fifteen minutes. It
was like an hour and a half longer. We're just
and I'm like, do you need me sign an NDA

(42:14):
And they're like, no, no, we're going to We're we
love this so and I instantly loved it. I mean,
I'm at the age where I want a mission to
attach myself to, and the idea of regenerative is a mission.
I mean, I'm at that point when I want to
make a difference. I want to get us in front
of Congress so start doing initiatives for farmers to start
being able to switch to regenerative. I want to take
a bite out of some of the things that are

(42:34):
here and that are coming. And because I'm at this
age and with this amount of experience and connections behind me,
Thank goodness and blessed, I would like to be able
to work on something that I can actually sink my
teeth into. And I have never ever been this happy
doing what I'm doing before. I mean I love being
on the air, and I'd still love being doing the podcast.
But this mission, this regenerative mission, is huge. It's barely

(42:56):
even beginning and it's going to do probably ten times
more or what organic did in the eighties. So it's
a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Cakora is a farm in Costa Rica, or it's a
company who owns a farm Costa Rica. The farm doesn't
grow vegetables. They grow herbs and mushrooms. And tell me
what are the products that Cokora grows down in Costa Rica.
What are the products? What's the product line for Cocora.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
We've got a mushroom line and we use the mushrooms
from names. We use their fruiting body mushrooms because they're
the purest and their certified organic. On the farm, we
grow ashwagandha. We grow turmeric, We grow skull cap, we
grow passionflower. We grow makuna, herbs that make a dramatic
difference the copa, which is a wonderful for the brain.
So all the herbs that we grow there are herbs

(43:45):
that when you grow them regeneratively, you increase the potency
because they're growing in soil that's rich, so we're using those.
So we have singles, you know, individual nutrients coming out.
We have blended combinations like stress formulas and energy formula
and stuff like that, all natural herbs, all CIED regenerative
and or certified organic. And the part that really attracted me,

(44:05):
and I really knew that Rick Rick was going to
do this anyway, it was glass bottles, which are very
important to me, vegan formulas, which I think are amazing,
using vegan capsules. Not that I cater to vegans, even
though I have tons of friends that are vegan and vegetarian,
and I write articles and lecture to a lot of
the groups and organizations. But if you're going to make
a line of products and you're going to use capsules

(44:25):
that are maybe gelatin based that a vegan or vegetarian
will not use, you are not making yourself accessible to
that very large growing audience. So when we have the
choice to go with vegan capsules, I'm like, yeah, let's
do that. I want to open the door. I want
my friends to be able to take these Cocora products.
I don't want them saying well, I can't use that
because it's not vegan.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Were you part of the decision making process.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
For that. I've been with Rick since the very beginning.
We talk about ingredients. The formulas are ricks because they're
in his mind, and I would love to spend about
an hour in his mind. But there's so much in there.
I don't know if I could handle it, because he's brilliant.
But we've talked about products, We've talked about dosages. We
have a wonderful team where working together. We've designed labels together,
we've designed the boxes together. I mean, it's an amazing

(45:05):
team because there's such a camaraderie and you know what
it's like in the world today, it's very hard to
find gratuitous situations that are actually very pleasing and enjoyable.
And what I mean by that is to be able
to work with someone that is so uplifting and so
positive and so thankful and so gracious that all you
want to do is work and enjoy the process and

(45:27):
be a part of it. No stress. Do we get busy?
Oh yeah, And I mean my schedule, I'm crazy. I
travel constantly and that's just busy, kind of on the
go kind of stress. But stressed out stress, no, not
a drip. And that's because the environment is so conducive
to a very happy level of positivity that I mean
not to get too tree huggery, but that's what it's

(45:47):
all about to me is being happy, and it's all
about the stage of my life. I want this to
be meaningful. I wanted to make a difference. I want
to bring great information and I want to be part
of a movement that is actually going to change the
course of the planet.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I agree about the gratuitous situations. I can't stand my boss.
And I hope he hears this. I can't stand my boss.
I'm self employed. So you have Yeah, so you have
this podcast. It's called Honest Selfs with doctor Jeffrey Burke. Now,
if I understand this correctly, you did a series on

(46:21):
your podcast where for each episode you covered one of
the fourteen or fifteen or so herbs that Kukora grows
down in Costa Rica. Am I right about that? Did
you do that series?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Still in the process up?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Okay? Why did you want to do that where you
spent an entire episode focused on one individual crop or product.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
There's a lot to learn being in our industry, being
on this side, you know, working in a store, working
hand in hand, there's thousands of products, and I think
people we probably forget more than we're constantly cramming into
our head all the time because there's so much information
to know, so many changes, so many counter indications with
medications and things like that that have dramatically changed. So

(47:02):
what I decided was, if I interview Rick one herb
at a time to give people a deep dive on
that herb, they're going to understand that herb from top
to bottom, whether it's somebody that's working in the industry
or someone that's just you know, wanting to take it
and they want to know everything they can know. I
think it's wonderful because when you get done, you're going
to be like, I get it. I didn't know all
those things. Now I know. But I also make sure

(47:23):
that we discuss the difference between growing it regularly and
growing it regeneratively, so people understand the difference of potency
and things like that. So we're going to actually be
doing I think about fifteen or sixteen total. I'm also
doing it with Bill Chuffi from Namax. We're doing deep
dive mushroom classes as well. I want this to be
a series. I want people to be educated. I want

(47:44):
people to go back and say, I forgot that. I'm
doing this every day and I forgot it because it's
information they can use with anybody's line in the industry.
They could have twenty ashwagandas at their store knowing the information,
you know, the history and the process and the uses
and all that stuff about ashwaganda because you really listen
to a deep dive, like a little audio book on
that individual herb. But you'll also be a little bit,

(48:07):
you know, recouping the knowledge that you might have lost
along the way, because I'm telling you there's so much
to learn, you know. And I have a lot of
friends that are doctors and they'll tell you the same thing.
They'll say, I can't even keep the medication straight. He goes,
every month, we get five more blood pressure medicine. It's
another blood thinner, you know, six more antibiotics. He said,
I can't even keep it straight anymore. There's so many
he goes. I find myself putting everybody on the same things.

(48:30):
And I said, you know, he goes, I know everybody's different.
They'd like have an egg timer. So many of them.
They go in, they got three minutes with the patient
and they got to get all the information out everything
they can, and then they're on to the next patient.
That's just reality, you know. So they end up recommending
a lot of the same medications. And I don't think
that's always the right thing, because once again, we don't
all fit in the same box. If I get people

(48:50):
the information and I interview Rick and he gives them
this amazing kind of detailed, easy to understand, conversational amount
of information, they're going to walk away and say, I
love that. I know a lot about that. Now someone
asked me, I can talk about it. That's what I want.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
And each one of these in this series, you're talking
with the founder of the company.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
With Rick Scalzo. It's funny because you'll see the jungle
in back of him because I try to deal with
him when he's in Costa Rica, because he travels to
North Carolina to Arizona to the Center. If you listen,
you could hear monkeys and two cans and everything back
in there. So I've been trying to get him to
train a monkey to run across the screen and wave
and keep going, but he hasn't been able to do
that yet.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Well, the day is young, true what's the biggest takeaway
so far that you have gotten. I know you said
you've done five of these so far in this series.
What's the biggest takeaway for you personally? What's the biggest
thing you've gleaned just from these first five.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
That people have thanked me for having a resource where
they can be reminded of the things that they forgot,
as well as learning some new things they never knew.
You know, it's really funny. My mom is ninety and
she listens to my podcast and she'll call me up
and she'll say, you know, I listened to that one
you did on Passionflower and I said, on Hans. She goes,
I need and I said really. She goes, yeah, I'm
a little edgy, a little nervous during the day, but

(50:03):
I don't want to get into was a nurse. She goes,
I don't want xanax or ad of anergy, that stuff.
I'd rather try that. So I sent her some Passion Flower,
so I know that it's doing what it's supposed to do.
It's educating, you know. And she was a hard sell
because she was medical to the bone, and now she'll
do everything she can holistically. If there's an alternative.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
She'll go that way, but she was very old school interesting.
I love it again. The podcast Honest Health with Doctor
Jeffrey Burke. It is available on Spotify and YouTube. Tell
me about the YouTube version. So Spotify we can hear it.
YouTube we can see it.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, you get to see us in our gorgeousness. A
great conversation, which I like. I think a lot of
people react. Some people are audio, some people are visual,
some people are both. You know, because I have a
lot of people they'll say when I'm driving, I'd like
to listen. I have a friend that's a rep for
a big company, and he goes when I'm driving my
Washington trip, I have a lot of window time, so
I'll do four or five of your podcast and get

(50:57):
caught up. He goes. But I'm at home and I'm
sitting at my desk. I'll have it on the screen
so I can watch it and listen at the same time.
So I think that's just the variety, and I made
it easy. If you go to my web page, which
is just doctor Jeffreyburke dot com, if you tap on
the Honest Health logo, it'll take you to Spotify. If
you tap on the YouTube logo. It takes you right
to the YouTube channel. Oh and I'm supposed to say
for my producer, make sure you subscribe. That's new for me.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, mass that subscribe button, pepe peo pew. One of
the things that you talk about a lot. I would
call it the thing that you talk about the most,
besides your generative agriculture is ashwagandham. Why do you care
so much about askaganda? And why do I care?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Ashwagandha is just the herb that I recommend the most
for the world that we're in today, which means restless, irritated, anxious, depressed,
mood swingy, hormonally imbalanced, ill, burnt out, fried out. Ashraganda
is a wonderful balancer that helps to bring things in
line and imbalance. It's very successful, it's very healthy. It's

(51:58):
very natural to be able to use something that makes
a difference. It has a long long history in aervetic medicine.
If you study traditional iervetic in India or China, they've
been using it for hundreds of years, so it has
longevity behind it, and I think that it's something that
people can see a difference kind of quickly, which to me,
is a great way of satisfying once again, the impatience

(52:18):
that's out there, because if you take like a zoloft,
or if you take that for a while, you take
a xatax, I mean an hour later, you're sitting on
the couch and drooling, you know. So that's something that's
very quickly that you see. So if I can make
a recommendation on the natural side, that may give you
similar results and you're able to feel a little bit
of a difference. Sometimes it just takes about that much

(52:39):
difference of the way you feel, and it's enough to say,
I'm going to give this a fair shake. I want
to give this a try. And I just think that
oshwagan is just one of those things. You see a
lot of oshwaganda today. Also in men's formulas that are
out there, like a lot of the testosterone formulas that
are out there, they use amino acids like citralline and arginine,
and they use ashwaganda because it also is something that
helps to release and kind of build natural levels of

(53:01):
testosterone for men. So that's another whole area of ashwaganda.
So there's a lot of popularity out there. But I
do see the biggest emphasis focusing on calmness and just
even this and trying to find our happy place, if
you will.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Now, I'm a very busy guy, and I feel like
I'm always running around with my pants on fire. So
that scene that you described of drooling on the couch
sounds very RESTful. Can you, as a doctor, prescribe me
some zoloff? Please?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I appreciate it. Thank you, No.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Doctor, Jeffrey Burke. Where can people find you on social media?

Speaker 2 (53:37):
You can find me on LinkedIn. I do a lot
on LinkedIn.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I said, social media, I don't that doesn't count. That's
like indeed, come on now, it's monster dot com.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I'm changing the face of LinkedIn. You re see my page.
It's completely different than anybody else there. I'm making changes,
all right, Well, everybody go check them out on LinkedIn.
But I have Instagram, I have Facebook, you know, and
of course my web page where's a lot of information. Course.
You can also follow Cookora's on Instagram, Facebook and then
their web page as well. Amazing graphics, wonderful videos, things

(54:07):
that you can keep a focus on. But like I said,
most of the platforms you can find me on, I'm
pretty easy to find and for the listener.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
We've said it a million times, but kokora is ko
ko r a and the website again is doctor Jeffreyburke
dot com. Yes, sir, well doctor Jeffrey Burke. Before I
let you go, man, is there anything we didn't talk
about or I didn't specifically ask you about that you
wanted to talk about today? Did we cover the big bits?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
We did and in a really good way. I really
appreciate it. I like your vibe, it's cool, it's easy
to chat with you, and I really appreciate it. Thank
you well.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
I appreciate you, doctor Jeffrey Burke. Thank you so much
for taking the time out of your busy day and
you're a hectic, I don't know, flying to Costa Rican
pulling mushrooms out of the ground, schedule to hang out
and let us get to know you a little bit
better on Fascination Street.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Man.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Thank you very much. I appreciate it was an honor.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Well, the pleasure was all mine. And you have a
great rest your week, my friend YouTube be well, take
it easy, buddy. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Man.

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