Jonathan Grossman (Johnny Keys) - Keyboard (Uncle Lucius / Sleepy Jon / The Guthrie Girls)

Jonathan Grossman
Take a walk with me down Fascination Street as I get to know Jonathan Grossman. Known in some circles as Johnny Keys; Jon is the keyboard player for the rock band Uncle Lucius. Jon is from Kentucky, and how he became part of this kickass south Texas band is a good story, I get him to tell it to me in this episode. We discuss his growing up in Lexington and what he was doing after school before the universe aligned, and Uncle Lucius rolled into his town. We also chat about other bands that have keyboard players in them, and even some fake movie bands that do. Uncle Lucius took a bit of a break a few years ago, and then through a series of magical events, they were almost forced back together. The television show Yellowstone happened to feature an Uncle Lucius song in the fourth episode of the first season. The song caught fire all over again and made the band look into getting back together to see what they had left in the tank. As it turns out, they had quite a lot. Since then, they have released 3 more albums and just recorded yet another one a few weeks ago live at Gruene Hall. I ask Jon about the royalty implications of having a song blow up on a TV show like that, and he gives HUGE props to Austin attorney Gwendolyn Seale! One of their more recent albums is called 'Like It's The Last One Left' and features one of my favorite Uncle Lucius songs (All the Angelenos). Jon is gracious enough to let me play that song, and their massive hit (from Yellowstone) called Keep the Wolve Away. Naturally, we talk about the live show at Gruene Hall, why they haven't headlined at world famous Stubb's in Austin, and Uncle Lucius' insane touring schedule. We end the show talking about some of Jon's other work. He releases music under the name 'Sleepy Jon', as well as performing live at Sam's Town Point (south of Austin) EVERY Wednesday that Uncle Lucius is in town. Three members of Uncle Lucius are in this weekly performing band with some of Arlo Guthrie's daughters. The band is called The Guthrie Girls. For tour dates and new album information, check out YourUncleLucius.com

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is John Grossman from Uncle Lucius and you are
listening to Fascination Street podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yes, the amp was being audio.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Visual down the most into restive street in the world
with my voice d Fascination Street.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
You already know it when you wait for the fastest
three one. Welcome back to Street Walkers. This episode is
with Jonathan Grossman Johnny Keys from the band Uncle Lucius.
In this episode, we get to know Jonathan and how
he became part of Uncle Lucius. It's a weird, wild
story that I don't think I've ever heard before, but

(00:45):
it's a really cool story about how he became part
of the band. In this episode, we also talked about
some of the cool highlights that have happened through the
course of this band's existence, including one of their songs
being featured in the TV show Yellowstone. It was in
episode four of season one, so that the show was
just getting started. The show featured the Uncle Lucius song

(01:08):
Keep the Wolves Away, and it happened at a time
when the band had already broken up, but that song
turned into a massive hit, and naturally the band got
together to see what they had left in the tank.
It's a little more complicated than that, and also a
lot cooler than the way I made it sound. But
he does tell that story and it sounds like a

(01:30):
lot of fun just to be part of this band.
They're touring all the time. They're playing all the places.
As a matter of fact, they are on tour right now.
Go to their website, which is your Uncle Lucius dot
com for tour dates and new album information. They're recording
a new album. It's a live album at Green Hall
in Green Texas or New Brumfles, Texas. As we say,

(01:52):
this will be the third album in less than three years,
which is crazy. They got back together, they started kicking
the ass, they started putting out all this stuff. And now,
like I said, they're on tour. They're on tour all
over Texas and then they're going over to Europe and
they're going to tour Germany and Italy and Sweden and
Norway and all the places. So check them out wherever
you can find them. Also, if you're in the Austin area,

(02:15):
every Wednesday that they're in town, three of the members
of Uncle Lucius play with a band called the Guthrie
Girls in Austin at a place called Sam'stown Point. So
check that out. And also you can find John Grossman
Johnny Keyes on Spotify. He puts out music under the
name John Grazzzz. He tells all about it. Listen to

(02:39):
the episode he lets me play my favorite song from
their most recent album. It is called All the Angelinos
and you are going to love it. And this is
my conversation with Johnny Keys, the keyboard player for Uncle Lucius,
Jonathan Grossman.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Forget me That.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
Forred for.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Welcome to Fascination Street Podcast. Jonathan Grossman, Johnny Keys, what's up, dude?

Speaker 1 (03:16):
How's going? Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Dude, My pleasure. Ladies and gentlemen. This is Johnny Keyes himself,
Jonathan Grossman. We're going to talk about all of the
things that make him as cool as a qcomber. But first, John,
what I like to do is I like to start
from the beginning. Man. It helps us understand how the
guests got from where they were to where they are.
So were we born and raised? Man? Where'd you grow up?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I was born in South Bend, Indiana. Oh no shit, yeah,
northern Indiana. My parents are both going to Notre Dame,
but they moved to Lexington, Kentucky when I was about one,
So I was raised there, although technically a hoosier. Yeah,
but I lived in Lexington, bounced around a bit, moved
a couple of times, but then settled back there and

(03:58):
played music for bout four years full time in Lexington.
That's where I met a glucious. They came through all.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Right, okay, so what was the plan? What did your
parents do? What did they want you to do? If anything?
What did you want to be when they grew up?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
They did not want me to do this, although they
were very artistic, very supportive of music. We're very go
to college family. I'm one of three, and my older
brother my younger sister both lawyers. My dad's a lawyer.
Although it was not expected, that is certainly a well
trodden path.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Are you the black sheep of the family.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I am. It's strengthened numbers. I guess my parents had
that idea, sort of have three kids in six years,
even if there's an odd ball. Yeah, you still got
them ount numbered. So I've got lawyers above and below me.
You know, should the should the needer eyes love.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
That, should the shit hit the fan, you are covered.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's a solid ecosystem. I mean, musician and lawyers. They'll
never tire of one another.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yeah, that is the truth. So you grew up in Lexington.
Did you go to college?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I did. I went to Oberlin outside of Cleveland, kind
of an artsy fartsya did about two two and a
half years there, and then did three or four semesters
the University of Kentucky part time but never finished. So
it's technically still a college student. Okay, yes, between majors.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Between majors. I like when when people say they did,
like you did two years here and you did, like
it's like you did time. It's like it's like a prison.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yeah. If it were prison, they would have fired me
for not showing up for work.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I think you still have to go to work in jail.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think so. My wife and I wow, I guess
we've been back for about ten years. But for about
a year and a half we lived in Louisville, Kentucky. Yeah,
wildly different than San Antonio. So you know, going up
in Santonio it's for all intents and purposes, the desert.
And then I lived in Louisville for a year and
a half. And I'm not shooting you, bro, and nobody

(06:09):
believes me. My grass had moss growing on it. Like
it is wet there. I like to say it rained
there every day except when it was snowing. Yeah, so
I can understand why you got the hell out of there.
No offense to all my Kentucky friends.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh, Kentucky's great. I took it a little personally because
the whole music scene took a huge upswing shortly after
I left it to this national prominence. They opened all
these great venues.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I took it a little personally myself after I left.
It was after I left that I ended up meeting
and befriending a ton of musicians and podcasters in the
Louisville area.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I hear it.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
It's a hotbed. Okay, So you're you're hanging out, you're
going to school, and then you're like, you know what,
maybe schools should come to my house. I don't like
going anywhere. So you said you're playing music for about
four years. Does that mean you're paying your bills playing music?
Is that what that means?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah? There were not many places to play in Lexington,
maybe five or six regulars. A lot of privates and
things like that. A lot of weddings is high high
season for weddings, but there were not many piano players
at all. Especially the only ones that were sort of
on the scene were a bit fancy you had, so
I was like the one gigging keyboard player. So I

(07:32):
played all the time, four or five gigs a day sometimes.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh wow, that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
It was a lot of fun, a lot of grind
aspect to it. Also, my parents put me up for
a couple of years relatively red freeze. So got to
give a shout out to the folks.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Raise the folks. Thank you, mister and missus Grossman. We
all appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It's true. I remember band members coming to my house
before they really knew me. They just knew me as
Johnny Keyboards knocking on the door because I slept through
the rehearsal, asking for mama keyboards, missus keyboards, mister Keyboards
to wake your set up.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
That is awesome. I love that you threw that little
rock and roll tip in there. Ladies and gentlemen. If
you want to be a rock and roll star, fall
asleep and miss practice or.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Rehearsal or whatever, it's the way to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
That is one of the Johnny keys to success.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
That key does not work in any door.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Why keyboards? When and why did you decide to start
playing the piano.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I had taken lessons when I was a little kid,
but I was very resistant and my teacher quit giving
them to me. And that was when I was twelve
or so. I had cast off lessons, but I had
enough familiarity. When I was like fifteen, I was on
a summer camp, long summer camp. Stint and my bunkmate
wrote songs and had a guitar, and we were constantly

(09:01):
around pianos. It was really bugging the shit out of
me because that would be seated at this piano that
I sort of was familiar with, but I couldn't play along.
It bugged me all the attention he was getting more
or less because he was like the cut up in
the group. That's what really spurred me to get into
it was just watching this guy could kind of he
could write a song about anything about, you know, whatever

(09:23):
was going on that day at camp, and everybody loved it.
And that's what specifically drove me to the keyboard. I
played guitar, I started on drums, play a few instruments,
but piano was so self contained. It was very easy
to kind of get into that world and just hang
out there. You know, no need for a bass player drummer,

(09:43):
you just kind of have the whole orchestra.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah. Plus you can play the malls exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I just did that. Where that was in Nottingham. I
think in England there was one Nobody cared, but there
was an old man playing like stride piano and I
got there. It looked like he was in his nineties.
I love coming upon those train stations. Airports.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Do you sit down and ticklem?

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh? Yeah, there was an out of tune grand piano
at the airport. Maybe in Louisville. We made a connection there. Yeah,
I got my airports confused of late, but it was
just sitting right in the restaurant. I was shocked. He
said go ahead and sit down, and then I realized
why so so out of tune you could barely play
on it.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
It's funny you bring that up. I don't know how
long ago it was, but I saw this video. I
think it was on Instagram maybe last week. There was
a kid, I want to say he was like between
thirteen and seventeen or something, or maybe older. I don't know,
but he had been through an airport and noticed that
the piano in the wherever it was out of tune.
And so the next time he was flying through, he

(10:46):
made his connection flight like four hours so that he
could tune that piano. Wow, because it was driving him crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
That's awesome. I picked up tuning pianos a little bit
as I play a hotel gig in Austin and they
take a long time in between tunings. That's what during
COVID I had a lot of downtime. Obviously, Oh nice
up a little bit. That is a very difficult trade. Though,
piano tuning nothing to trifle with.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
I can't even imagine how difficult that must be. It sounds,
it looks tremendously overwhelming. Okay, so you're playing in clubs
or centers or event places or whatever, and then all
of a sudden, Uncle Lucius is on tour and they're
coming through. And so, if I understand this correctly, you
were kind of like the house guy at this place.

(11:37):
And then they were like, oh, hey, this band is
going to open for you, and you were like, what's happening?

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, they told us, like that night I was playing
the regular gig with this band. The other brothers that
are still going strong in Lexington, and we had never
It was like a four hour gig at an Irish pub.
I mean it was cool gig, great Burger's, good scene,
but you know it was a gig, not a show.
Very decidedly, I had never ever heard of anybody opening.

(12:04):
I find it hilarious to this day that their booking
agent sent them one thousand miles from Austin, well you'll
open this show. They have a good crowd. It was
pretty dubious.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
So at the time was had you ever heard of
Uncle Lucia's Were they a thing yet?

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Now I wouldn't have I didn't have my finger on
the pulse, So it's just kind of a workaday musician,
you know. If they weren't hiring me or like on
the bill, I wouldn't have known them. But no, I
think they had just put out Pick Your Head Up,
their second album. They had done a national tour and
opened for Leon Russell I think the previous jaunt, and

(12:43):
then they were coming back. But you know, very small
time far as I know.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
They opened for you and then y'all play, and then
backstage y'all just trade phone numbers and start making out like,
how does this work?

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Well, it was. It was actually, man, I wish I
had it in the other I still have Kevin's business card.
Oh wow, Yeah, because he handed it to me right
as soon as they were done. As I recall, like,
he hadn't even heard me play. It had just been
asking around about me in the bar.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I guess asking around about the piano player.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, they were looking for a keys player and I
wasn't aware of this, but he seemed a little nervous
enough that I noticed, and he handed me his business
card and on the back it said move to Austin
question mark tour of the country with Uncle Lusha's you know,
and sharkby. I don't even think he had had he
had mentioned it to the other guys in the band.
I think it was sort of a lark, you know,

(13:36):
an impulse.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
I hope it's framed.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, it's not framed, but it's in a little plastic. Yeah.
I've got it in my little shrine.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
It's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I was playing with the other brothers, Gabe and Nate Hensley,
and we went and had an after party at the
Hensley house and I kind of chatted up the guys.
I remembered distinctly talking with Josh the drummer and saying
something like, well, I guess if you're when I'm down
in Austin, or if I was in Austin, and just
his facial expression was like yeah, apropos like random thought

(14:08):
if you if you were you know, like.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, He's like the fuck are you talking about? Sure?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, more or less.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
It's like at the end of this interview when I
tell you, hey, the next time you're in Bernie, give
me a call, and you're gonna be like okay. It's
like that.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Would why would I ever be a burden?

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Where the thought that seems so wildly uncomfortable, Like basically
he came to your job, he said I want to
hire you away from your job and then said, hey,
let's go to a party at your employer's house.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Said like that does seemed incredibly awkward. Fraut.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
How did the other brothers feel about this scenario?

Speaker 1 (14:51):
They were very supportive. I mean probably more than anybody,
Nate or Gabe, both of them, but Gabe in particular,
he was the singer. He was very like, I don't know,
I think he was already married and he had like
a steady day job. Most of the guys that played
music in Lexington were like married to women with good
jobs or had good jobs themselves. Like there was not

(15:13):
it was not a career track, you know. I had,
you know, started showing up when I was like twenty one,
twenty two, so I was sort of the kid on
the ride.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
I don't know, new kid on the scene.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, Gabe really looked out for me. In fact, he
was a big reason. Weeks after that, I remember distinctly
him saying, you know what I have been listening to
is that unglucious record. You should listen to that, you know,
because at that point I had so many gigs. There
were just another gig. I didn't think of it being
that special, but kind of on his recommendation, I listened

(15:44):
back to it. Ye. No, quite the contrary. They were
all all very excited enthusiastic about the idea. I mean,
it was really out of left field. That sort of
thing didn't happen a lot.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
I have never heard of it before or since. I Mean,
it's not very often that somebody just blows into town
and hires a just some musician they met in a
bar and moves them halfway across the world to tour
the world.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, it has a storybook quality when it's compressed into
a sentence.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, most stories do. Okay. So what year was this?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Roughly twenty ten, It was earlier in the year. It
was like April, I remember I did. I was pretty cautious.
I did a practice run. We did four dates that July,
just drove to Nashville, met him, got a ride home
from Chicago, just kind of try it out on the road.
It was wise. It was wiser to I finally left

(16:41):
in December, having saved up knowing you know, it was
gonna be gonna be a little bit of a rough road.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Okay, So how does that work? You meet up in
Nashville and you, you know, do like a few dates
with them, wouldn't Did you guys have a chance to
rehearse or or did you just kind of go in
all jazz style and be like, I'm gonna jump in
here and I'm going to jump in there, I'm going
to kick back here, and then I'm gonna jump in
there and there, Like, how does that work? Especially at
the beginning of.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
That, I'd listened to the stuff enough that I had
it all down. I didn't need notes or anything. We
didn't work out a lot of intricate parts or anything
like that. On the first run.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
You were the first panel player, right, They didn't have
one on the record you listened to.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
They had an organ guy come in on like four songs.
But I listened more to their live album. They had
done a live at Sex and Pub. Hopefully we're going
to re release that. It's been out of print for
a while, but that's the one I listened to. We
still have like CD copies. We would make them in
runs of you know, a couple hundred at a time.
But yeah, that's the one I listened to. And there

(17:40):
was plenty of room. I mean, it was a four piece.
Kevin's acoustic wasn't that big in the mix, so it
at times it was like a trio you know, and organ.
It's like good gravy. It just sort of settles in
all the open spots.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
It hasn't come out yet, but as we're recording this,
my next episode that's going to drop his Bo Donaldson
from Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods. Are you familiar with him?
I'm not, Well, I don't know how old you are,
and I don't want to. But June of nineteen seventy four,
the number one song in America was a song called
Billy Don't Be a Hero. And it was by Bo

(18:18):
Donaldson and the Heywoods. And Bo Donaldson is the keyboard player.
That's the next episode that's coming out. Oh cool Monday.
But yeah, number one song in America and the name
of the band. It was named after the keyboard player
who doesn't sing like he's just not just but he's
the keyboard player, not the front man. Yeah. Yeah, to

(18:39):
write that down, it's pretty sick.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
That's cool. What a respectful gesture.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I thought I was pretty sick. Yeah, And he tells
a great story about it, and it's all cool.

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Speaker 6 (20:17):
Let's get back into it.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Again. I don't know how old you are again, don't
care But when I was a little kid, one of
my favorite movies was Eddie and the Cruisers. Have you
seen this film. It's about a band who used to
be somebody and then they were putting out this big
record and then the record disp like the master tapes disappeared,
and then so did the singer, right Eddie. Well, the
whole movie is about whatever happened to Eddie and the

(20:45):
Cruisers and this last album. I think it was Tom
Behringer played the keyboardist, and he was the best character
in a whole movie. You should watch this movie. It's
a good movie about a rock band with a keyboard
and the Cruisers, Eddie and the Cruisers. It's it's dope
as hell, and it's got a lot of people that
you'll you'll be like, oh that guy, Oh that guy,

(21:07):
Oh that guy, Oh that girl, Ellen Barkin, Joey Pantellione,
Oh yeah, all kinds of fools. Like I said, I'm reenter,
it doesn't matter, we're not here to talk about my child.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Then we can.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
But so you actually, when did you actually move to
Austin and where your parents like finally, yeah, it's got
a job.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
They were they were really held that back yeah, I'm
sure they were thinking that pretty tremendously. It was a
reasonably big house. I was in the basement, so they
didn't hear me too much.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
They forgot you were there. Yeah. Oh, that's one thing
we don't have here Texans. We don't have basements. Kentucky
they all have basements.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
They all do. Yeah, it would say you out there.
So there's a little bit of getting used to gun
coming out of Texas. The gigs paid a lot better
in Lexington, at least at first, like double when it
got to Austin, Austin is so saturated, I couldn't believe it.
I think I moved. Like December tenth and December eighteenth

(22:05):
we left on our first big tour. It was like
thirty five day tour.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Of nine ten or ten, okay, twenty ten.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
First time the band played the Steamboat Festival. If you're
familiar with that at all? Where's that in Steamboat Springs, Colorado?
Texan guy John Dixon? That does it? Oh?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Okay, sick. No, I'm not familiar with it. It sounds
like I should be, though, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Texas Country Festival, Texas.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Oh you know what, since we're on we're side noting
all over the place. I'm gonna do it right now.
I know that you guys do covers sometimes, like on
this newest live album y'all did Bertha, Yeah, Grateful Dad
or whatever. If you guys are looking for cool Texas
country covers, might I suggest the late great Kinky Friedman.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Oh Yeah, the Texas jew boy Close to My Heart.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
He has a new album posthumously his last album.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I interviewed him about two years before he died, oh
Man in his living room. It was amazing, and he
did this really cool thing which not many people have done.
He leaned over and picked up a guitar and he said, Hey,
I'm gonna play this song. I wrote it last night.
And he played it and you can hear him like
turning the page as he's reading the note of the lyrics.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
And then he messes up at one point and he goes,
fuck me did, and then he just keeps right on going.
But that's the only place that that song exists. It's
on my show Wow, But it's gonna be on the album,
thank goodness. But oh man, he put out so much
great stuff, and particularly the album Resurrection. There's some really
cool songs on there. That I think would work well

(23:45):
with Uncle Lucius if you guys were ever gonna look
for another cover.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
You're speaking my language. I've raised in Kentucky, raised Jewish
in Kentucky. So among other reasons, Kinky Friedman's Big Time
Hero did some wonderful, wonderful stuff is awesome.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Okay, So you joined the band in ty ten in
twenty twelve. Is when you guys turn into legends.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh is there right?

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I think so two thousand Souls when you guys put
out Keep the Wolves Away. Yeah, so you are part
of You were in the band when that song came out.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, they had put it out on that live at
Saxon Pub. Oh, that was the first time it was
ever out. I think that's why they've had we've had
some trouble reprinting it. Record company has been sold like
three times to a conglomerate. So getting there okay to
use I think that's the hold up. But yeah, no,
we started working on it. I had just learned the accordion,

(24:45):
so they I was sort of sheepish about I think
maybe the accordion, but they're all into it. That's kind
of a signature part of that song. I guess a
lot of people think it's harmonica.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Uh huh. I thought it was harmonica for until I
listened to it for probably the fiftieth time, and then
I was like, it is Is it an accordion? And
you know, here from South Texas, I should really be
more tune to the accordion.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Well that sound though, that's the German accordion sound. For
lack of a better the South Texas is that warblely
kind of they call it a MEU set that kind
of warble. It doesn't really sound like that. You would
have you would have heard it if it was like
a Nortegno accordion.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Gotcha. Well, thank you for bailing me out on that one.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I want to defend your Texan mess.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
You know, I appreciate that this song comes out and
it makes a little bit of a splash, but nothing
like what happened a few years later with it. But
before we get there, this album comes out, you guys
are still touring all over the place, and then at
a certain point, you guys all decide to step away. Yeah,

(25:54):
tell me why what happened? Does everybody hate everybody? Was
it a big fistfight?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
No? Oh, sadly, that would be so convenient. Right now,
there was one five way fistfight we all broke our wrists. Now,
it was more mundane than that. It was just kind
of like a couple of guys had kids, so that
was a pressure. Like I guess we were sort of plateaued.
We were doing fine and covering bills and everything like that.

(26:22):
The shows were what they were, not stagnant, but it
just wasn't the payoff wasn't there anymore. Everybody's calculations were changing.
It's hard to like put a finger. We just had
a conversation after a while, after a dismal tour or two,
and everybody was like, oh, yeah, it was. There was
not a ton of resistance. I guess, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
It was like, hey, you guys thinking maybe we should
and everybody was like, we agree, Like I didn't even
finish the sentence yet, let me let me finish almost.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
I mean, Kevin brought it up himself, and when we
did break up, he put out like a statement on
his own in his own writing. But I think it
was I don't know, it could be viewed differently, but
I think the reason he did that was to like
let us off the hook take responsibility. So in case
any sort of I think that's why, because it was

(27:13):
like he brought it up, but it was very mutual
certainly like you know, not anything particular, but just kind
of like, oh, I was sort of doing it because
I thought you will want to do that kind of thing.
It's tough. I mean, the wear and tear, I guess
of the road, just being away the obvious stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
You know, sure, touring, I mean I can't even imagine.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, And aging is a form of inflation, if you
want to, like everything costs more. Everything, all your the routine,
injuries take a little longer to all that just piles up.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Inflammation is inflation. I love that.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Come on, that's a that's a party. I could get
behind it. There's a guy like Kinky handed it.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
So are you Fami with the band Lost Lonely Boys? Sure,
they did to How Far Is Heaven and all that
kind of stuff. They did a similar thing. They took
a break for five years and they just got back
together like one year ago maybe, but they took a
break for you know, a similar reasons.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
They they some of them had kids and the road
was kind of I mean, they had been they were
playing three hundred shows a year, you know, So, I
mean they were tired, and so they kind of one
of them and he's the guy who they all agreed,
like you said, like with you guys, they all agreed,
but it was one guy who kind of was like,
you know what, this one's on me. I'm gonna tell everybody,

(28:38):
you know, it was kind of my idea or whatever. Right,
they got back together, and then they released their first
album in eleven years, and you guys put after y'all
got back together, then y'all put out your first album
and it was what like eight years between albums.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
I think, so, yeah, that's that's right, twenty fifteen, twenty
twenty three.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
But it was a similar story. That's, you know, kind
of why I brought it up, because they all decided,
after all these years of touring and getting the hell
beat out of them on the road, that it was
time to take a break. And then it wasn't supposed
to be a hiatus, much like Uncle Lucius. It was
kind of the end, but then they were like, you
know what, hey, we still got some more to say.
So they got back together, and so it seemed really

(29:19):
appropriate to bring that up because it's kind of like
what you guys did almost exactly in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Sure, I just was hearing about them. Yeah they're playing somewhere.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, they're playing all over the place. Okay, you guys,
you broke up, not a hiatus, you broke up. What
were you? What did everybody do during the breakup? Because
you guys are broke up for like what three years?
Four years?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Pirates, yeah, five years?

Speaker 3 (29:43):
So what did all of you do? You didn't move
back to Kentucky, so.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
I didn't know. I think I just fell right back
into playing. I remember there was a friend of mine
at the time, Doug straight Hand, put together a Leon
Russell who you know. We did I don't remember forty
of Leon russell songs. We had ten piano players so
that Easterns could really dig in and try to learn

(30:09):
because Leon's such a beast. But it was so great.
I don't know, thirty odd musicians altogether. There was a
really I think I gigged out of that cool of
gigs you know, for probably until now still getting gigs
out of that. Kevin, our singer, did a couple of

(30:29):
solo albums and I played on him, and he did
some very brief touring like two weeks on each record.
Some like that just hit a couple of our old spots.
But did those Yeah, just kind of branched out, kind
of did what I was doing in Kentucky. Played just tons,
all sorts of different bands, lots of solo gigs, hotels,

(30:50):
stay pretty busy. I almost forgot this guy, hal vorpol
he was the original bass player, and uncle Lucius he
dropped out before, like five years before we broke up.
You'd had enough, became a graphic designer. Kept writing songs though,
and whenever keep the wolves away. I forget the year exactly.
It might have been twenty twenty or nineteen. It was

(31:13):
eighteen eighteen, I guess. So we had never gotten any
mailbox money, and we still it very very little, but
we had this trickle coming in. Hal and I got
together and rented studio space and hired musicians and did
a bunch of sessions that was real fun.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
So that takes us in twenty eighteen. Yeah, it was
a television show called Yellowstone. It was brand new. Nobody
knew what the hell it was. I certainly didn't know
what the hell it was, and I don't think you
did either. But it was a TV show called Yellowstone,
and I believe it was the fourth episode of the
first season. They played this one song called Keep the

(31:52):
Wolves Away, and then all of a sudden, you guys
are getting text messages from people you don't even remember
having your own phone, and they're going, hey, man, I
just heard your song, and they're like, what is Yellowstone?
How did that happen? How did they get your song
before you knew about it?

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Well? I mentioned it in passing the record company that's
been sold a few times. We signed a decent by standards,
but all music deals are terrible, right. The key clause
of this one is that they split publishing even though
they didn't write, or even if you've heard of the song,
you know they get half of the money for the writing.

(32:30):
But crucially they have like fifty point one percent as
far as control, which means that they can say yes
to a placement in a show without our consent, and
then there's no rule that they have to be the shitty.
But they didn't even have to tell us about it,
so we actually didn't know and there was money that
you know, we were owed.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Did you have to go after it or did you
just get it?

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Oh? Yeah, we had to spend money on a lawyer
to get it. It's pretty wild, you know, let's be frank.
They steal the song, didn't belong to them. They use
their power over us in the negotiation to steal the song,
dole it out to whoever is buying, and they don't
even tell us. You know, I don't even know who
I'm complaining about since the company has been sold so

(33:14):
many times. Faceless corporations. That's what they want, so you
don't even have anybody to complain about anyway. Rants over. Sorry,
I love that.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
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Speaker 3 (33:39):
So the video on YouTube had been rolling along, picking
up a little steam here and there, but once it
hit Yellowstone, it was off to the races. Last I
checked on YouTube on the Uncle Lucia's channel keep the
Wolves Away. Is it one hundred and seventy million views?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Wow? That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
One hundred and seventy million views. You might not know,
and if you do, I don't need numbers. I don't
care about that at all. But do you get paid
at all? From one hundred and seventy million views on YouTube?
Does YouTube pay you? Guys?

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Money they do. I've never seen like a breakdown.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Sure, but they're not stealing from yet. They're giving you
some money, Yeah they are.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
It's still fifty point one percent goes elsewhere?

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Is that in perpetuity? Is that forever?

Speaker 7 (34:26):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah? They use amazing language in those agreements, like through
perpetuity through throughout the universe. Just because it's discover life
on some of their planet and they start to play
the song. They don't want to lose out on that revenue.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
That brings me to a question I didn't know I
was going to ask, But is there any Uncle Lucia's
songs that I can buy fifty one percent of? I'm
just I just.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
You sound like an Instagram message we got. I said,
have you heard of Rod Stewart's selling his catalog for
a billion dollars? We'll offer you five or six hunderducks.
Shut up, it's among the spam we got.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh my god, that's terrible. I'm mad. I'm angry now,
Oh my god, that's terrible. So back to Yellowstone how
oh or you already told me how it came to be?
But how did it impact the band?

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Like?

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Once you guys did find out that it was happening.
Was there a massive phone call? Was it like hey,
a group chat?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Was it like it was a fancy steak dinner in Austin?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Actually, I mean I know that it wasn't life changing money,
especially since you had to go fight for it, which
I would imagine took a big chunk of the money
you were fighting for. Yeah, so bad. Wait a minute,
you got lawyers in your family.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I know. Yeah, they were not in Texas and they're not.
None of them did entertainment. My brother took like a
one class in entertainment. Well, yeah, legal profession wins again. Now,
as it happens, we had a superstar lawyer, Gwen Seal.
She's like a young hot shot in Austin. She represents
wrestlers like regional whole small time, like minor league wrestlers.

(36:03):
Her significant other was telling me, so musician, she just
does sort of as a lark. She would never make money.
It's all relative.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Sure, Well thanks Gwynn.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Oh yeah, gwyn Seal hard hit her.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
This turn of events made you, guys decide to see
if you had anything left in the tank.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
It was more Yeah, it was more organic than that.
I don't think we had all been physically in the
same place still that steak dinner, a couple guys, three
of us, three of the group had moved out of town,
so we had chatted and things like that, had a
call every now and again, but it really had just
started very organically. We're all sitting around, I mean, didn't
hurt that we were having this glorious dinner out in

(36:46):
the private room, surrounded by like wine bottles. It's very
surreal looking at our scraggly asses. What do we do
it here kind of thing. But it was all like
everybody had moved on, We're doing other things. Was like
everybody was still doing music, aside from Mike. Mike was
a full time electrician. He was still playing on the side.

(37:07):
But like so it was all extra. Yeah, it was
just this crazy gravy scenario. Yeah, it happened very quickly.
We got together for a drink. I remember sitting down
with Tim, who was Kevin's manager and became our the
band's manager, And one minute he was speaking so hypothetically like,
I mean, I do still get these offers every now

(37:28):
and again if you guys ever wanted to, And then
it seemed like next second we were doing it. Hal
who I mentioned earlier Hal for Paul, you know, was
on all those recordings and everything. It had been a
founding member of the band, and he had been into producing.
We had been producing records, so he had all these songs,
like several songs fully fleshed out and ready. So it's like,

(37:49):
not only can we get back together, we can just
record this like within a couple of months, and I
forget it happened maybe in the autumn before. It's just
a few months that everything kind of came together very
very quickly.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
They're swimming with that is kick ass, and that album
that you guys put out I forgot about together. That's
like it's the last one left. Yeah, since we were
talking about Keep the Wolves Away and everybody knows the song,
they just don't know they know the song. Like every
time I tell somebody, oh, yeah, keep the Wolves Away,
they're like, I don't, I don't know that, and then

(38:23):
you start playing it and they go, oh, yeah, I
know this song. Like yeah, for whatever reason, that title
is not sticking with fools. So can I play Keep
the Wolves Away during this episode?

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Sure? Of course?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Oh, rad, thanks, Do you want to introduce it like
you're a radio DJ, Well.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Ladies and gentlemen. This next song, I have to say,
from a personal level, changed my life. Never thought I
would be involved in anything that caught on in quite
so significant a way. This next song is a true
story written by Kevin Galloway about his childhood in uh
Brazoria County in Freeport, Texas and the faithful day when

(39:01):
his father, Steve, was called to Galveston Bay to investigate
a terrible chemical accident that imperiled the whole Houston region.
But fortunately people like Steve Galloway were trained and just
the ballsiest motherfuckers you'll ever meet in your life, and
sort of stormed the gates and he was horrifically injured,

(39:25):
and it changed Kevin's life forever. Steve should have died,
you know, many times out of the ashes of that.
Not only did he live, but his son Kevin wrote
this heroic saga that Steve is like rightly, I think,
is like an every man Texan. Really a great story.
I'm proud to call him a friend, great dude. So

(39:45):
this is Keep the Wolves Away by Unclucius.

Speaker 7 (40:21):
Took my first breath Where the muddy riser spills into
the gulf of Mexico and the skylights colored by chemical
plans to put bread on the table of the word man,
where the working man does his best to provide safety

(40:41):
the shell for kids in a while, giving a little
love soul every day, making over time to keep the
wolves away. I was barely thirteen when the company man

(41:32):
tried to dick my dad's great and happen on a
friend shown tanker ships filling poison the Galveston.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Well.

Speaker 7 (41:43):
The liquid fire filled his lungs and his eyes silenced
in a moment, cries cold in the green, death, staking pain.
He falled like hell to keep the wolves away for

(42:34):
the next few years. That was sick. That's a dog, buddy, man,
Go register spot the US. The settlement came out.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
We moved out of town.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
Where the skies and heavy with refined reflect And he's
still alive.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
He's doing good.

Speaker 7 (42:53):
He's in his fifties. About the money is running out.
He's eighteen, so going broke. Were there a sung out, mate,
because now.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
It's about time to keep the wolves away.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
I'm not a songwriter, but I am a song listener,
and for my money, I think that the best songs
the songs that speak the most. Two people are songs
that are written in sort of three acts, and this
song is written in sort of three acts, like this
is a story that has a beginning, of middle, and

(44:40):
an end, and all three of those acts tug at
the heart strings in a little bit of a different way.
It's a fucking phenomenal song. So thank you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yeah, no, I feel very honored to be a part
of it. I mean, Kevin wrote it alone, and it
was always you know, it was always that great of
a song. The craziest thing because when we started, when
I I started playing with him, I remember conversations where
we'd leave it off the set list because it was
such like a downer. You know, people liked it, but
they didn't know it, so, you know, you kind of

(45:10):
you have to focus on it. I don't know. It's
very insightful to me about art and music and recognition
because the song stayed the same all those years, but
you know, the reaction to it couldn't have been more different.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, I can't imagine. Back in February of two and
t thirteen, I heard this quote from you the surgeon
will be installing a gore tex valve in my heart
that he described as an accordion. I've always taken a
squeeze box to heart. Now it will literally save my life.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
What happened, buddy, Yeah, it was a freak accident. It coincided,
as it happened with when we released the Wolves song
and the video. It was that same period, the same week.
I think. Never given me a definitive answer. It was
a freak accident. My heart value just burst open. I
was at band practice. It was misstike, no stiffers, so

(46:05):
we went around. Yeah, we were on a radio tour
in small town northeast Texas, four Wolves. I remember like
I couldn't do all the stops, so I would sleep
in the back of this car, one of the vehicles
who were driving around. I remember I missed some of
those radio and then when I got back to the town,
the hard doctor just heard it with the stethoscope. Fortunately,

(46:26):
I mean it was I read about it. There was
like a huge percentage of people die of it within
a week, and I was just walking around like that
for a couple of weeks. Like if I had done
jumping jacks, I could have died, Like it was that precarious.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Or if you had carried a heavy piano.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, that started tooting. If we had real gigs at
the real gear, that'd have been rougher, rougher than dying
on stage.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
So how did this manifest? Like, did you feel like
you were having a heart attack? Did you feel like
you're having chest paints? I mean a tear in your aorda, Like, yeah,
how does that feel?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
It was kind of like, you know, the feeling you
have in your stomach. We have a terrible flu, terrible
stomach ache. It was like if you can imagine ending
up with that from normal, and it just sort of cascades,
like I physically felt an ache go across my stomach.
A couple other things happened. The valve blew up. They
described the heart valve as like twuply tissue paper and

(47:21):
the plies separated. That's called that dissection. All sorts of
shit went on. It felt like a lot. I like
keeled over, laid down for the next hour. Kevin drove
me to the hospital, They told me I had a
stomach ache, sent me home, and then like, yeah, two
weeks later, I was just sort of in this persistent flu.
I mean I remember my brother visiting and we walked

(47:43):
for miles around Austin. You know, it's always hot, you know,
even in February. Yeah, it was pretty wild.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
The odds. Well, bless the good Lord that you're okay, man, Lord.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, thanks, it was quite a freak adiky old modern medicine.
It's like just a little bump in the road.

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Speaker 6 (49:28):
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Speaker 3 (49:37):
You guys, Uncle Lucius. Right before you broke up, you
played two nights at the Legendary Green Hall in New Bronfos, Texas.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yes, sir, about to do it again this weekend.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
The reason I bring it up is because as we
record this this weekend, you guys are playing two nights
at the legendary Green Hall in New Bronfels. And wait
for it, you're gonna record a live album.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
What.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, I don't feel like like it's the last one
left is very old. That came out in what late
twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Three, Yeah, something like that, uh huh.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
And then you guys put out live from ear Studio.
Even though it is a live album, it's not live
in the sense that there was an audience there. I
don't hear any audience. This is just one take at
Ear Studio. Right, there were a.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Lot of people there. They just didn't care for it.
He told them to be polite. They understood, it's a
source subject we're gonna get. We're gonna hire a.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Better audience that is hilarious.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Got the wrong. You get a polite audience that doesn't
disrupt you. You gotta balance it with the plotting audience.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
So why do you guys banging out these albums so quick?
I know that you guys have pin up ambition and
stories and songs to share, but right, I feel like
three in three years or three and two years, like,
good lord man, slow down.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Well, certain people set the standard. I would be remiss
not to mention our man Charlie Crockett here in Austin.
You know, he puts one out about every three to
six months. I would say he's the standard. I don't
know the live album from Ere was. I'm glad we
did that, but we did repeat some of the same
tracks from your first album, added some covers, so it

(51:22):
was pretty limited. As far as I'm all about trying
to put as much workout into the world as possible.
Obviously keep it to a high quality. You don't want
to besmirch your name frequently, just besmirch it exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Right amount, just a tiny bee smirching, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
A little bit smirching. You don't want to get too
big for your bridges, So spoil me.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
What's on the set list? What's going to be on
this album?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Man?

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Just kidding. You can't spoil me, you know what?

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Enough I would love to know without being too specific.
We're doing two sets, both nights. I think it's three
hours each night.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Good god.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, we're going to try to get couple of shots
at everything. I don't think we'll repeat everything over, but
that's the idea, is to record it and you know,
have studio quality gear and hopefully kind of put all
our chips on getting those performances. We're trying to figure
out ways to not psych ourselves out. But like I

(52:19):
want to manufacture as much, you know, because sometimes you
have that righteous indignation on stage, like on tour a
couple of times it came up naturally. Try to capture
that somehow, like mess up everybody's drink order or something,
just some little petty annoyance. I don't know, don't tell them,
you know, in advance, But like Michael Jordan or something.
You disrespect him, then he takes it personally exactly.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Just go around and just walk up and knock the
microphone out of somebody's hand. Yeah, yeah, I got you.
Disrespect the hell out of him.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
This episode will not come out before that show. And
I was going to go to that show, but it
turns out I'm going to be out of town, which
is really bumming me out. But there is good news
on the horizon. And I'll tell you why, ladies and gentlemen.
Uncle Lucius is still on tour after that show that
I'm not going to be at and it just passed.
And so y'all weren't there either, some of you they're

(53:11):
going to keep going. Ah, go to and I love
the name of the website. Go to your Uncle Lucius
dot com for tour dates. In April, they're going to
be in Yantis, Texas, Hiko Texas, Lubbock, Texas, where my
wife and my father were born, Saint Joe, Texas, fort Worth, Texas,
Ingram Texas or I guess Ingram is in May. And

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then check this out and this one you might see
a fat Kid at May tenth, twenty twenty five. The
mark in San Marcos, Texas. Oh yeah, Jonathan Grossman, and
I guess Uncle Lucius will be there too, But everybody
go check it out. And then that's the craziest part
is what I'm about to tell you. That's the last

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date in Texas, and then these full are going to
Washington wait for it, and then Belgium, Germany. I can't
even pronounce whatever that is. Evan mainten Terine nerd work.

(54:17):
I don't even know what that is, but I'm assuming
that it's in wort in Limburg, and then the Netherlands, Italy, Italy, Italy, Sweden. Look,
these guys are going worldwide yet again, so everywhere you are,
they're gonna be somewhere near you, unless you're not near them,
and then they're not coming to your house. But like

(54:38):
I said, go to your Uncle Lucius dot com and
check out those tour dates. They're going everywhere. They're doing everything,
They're playing all the stuff. Jonathan Johnny Keys, my favorite
song from Like It's the Last One Left also happens
to be on Live from Ere Studio. As a Texan,
I gotta say it is all the Angelino's. All the

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Angelino's is not quite a parody song. It is a
tongue in cheek, humorous take on some of the I
don't know if I should call it immigration or migration.
It's not when you think listeners, but it is definitely
a take on a certain segment of the population moving
from one area to another, and that another is Texas.

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It's about a whole group of folks that are coming
to Texas and whether or not we're happy about it.
Now that sounds way worse than it is because it's
in the song. It's in the title. It's about all
those damn Californians moving to Texas. Now, tell me that
this is your favorite song on the album, even if
that's a lie.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
It's a lie.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
What's your favorite song on like it's the last one left?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
I'm not actually sure what my favorite song is. The
only reason I say that one is is my parents,
who are both born in Los Angeles, are raised in
La So at some point it was at Green Hall.
I've met a cousin of mine. It's so good to
see you, man. And by the way, what the fuck
is with that song? Who you know? We all hung

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out at Grandma's house in La.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Yeah, well, guess what your parents left too? Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
They hated it. They couldn't wait to lead, they were
happy to get to South Bend, Indiana.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Well that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I like, I don't know. I'm happy. That's a nice one.
That's a nice song.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
That's where the name of the album comes from.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Right, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Well check you out, look at you digging for gold?
Are you guys gonna do a bunch of more live
albums like live from your studio? And I guess this
one's gonna be Live from Green Hall? And also, why
haven't you done live at stubs? What's wrong with y'all?

Speaker 1 (56:51):
That's a good question. Yeah, I don't think we've ever
headlined that Stubbs, so we've opened a couple of times
outside there's your answer. I guess we could do a
live at Stubs opening set, but it'd be like half
an hour.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
What if I called stubs, Yeah, you know, and I
said hey, hey, stub.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Hey stub Yeah, probably don't want to go Stubby, wait
till you're a little more familiar.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah, that's a more intimate best person.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I'd be Stubble because it's Stubble Stubble Field. Imagine. Probably
neither Probably.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Neither I'm gonna go with neither. I'm with you on
that one.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
John.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I know I asked you this about a different one earlier,
but I'm gonna ask it again because I'm a greedy,
greedy bastard. Can I play all the Angelinos? Not the
live one, but the one from like it's the last
one left? Can I play that?

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Oh? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Do you have a preference? Should it be the live one?

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Actually? I think the studio because Cody Brawn is on
fiddle on the studio.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Oh, the ear studio one.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
No, no, the studio album.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Oh see see how confusing?

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Is very confusing?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Live from your studio? But no, not that one. Yeah,
that's funny.

Speaker 9 (58:06):
All the Anthelinos, all the Antelinos, they moving.

Speaker 7 (58:11):
Down to Texas. They moved down Texans.

Speaker 9 (58:20):
All the Antholino, all the Adelino's.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Moving down to Texas.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
Yeah, I ain't moving down Texas. I'm from Texas and
I'm telling you.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
I ain't never seen a lot so there.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I ain't never seen a lot so there.

Speaker 7 (58:49):
I'm from Texas and I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
I ain't out seen a lot.

Speaker 7 (58:57):
So then, I ain't never seen in the lights of
my life. They moving down to Texans. With a bird
of the tax lats and moving down to Texans and
they buying up a house goad. Yeah, they't moving down

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Texans with all and the freedom floor. They're moving down
to Texans with a boating and a road hill.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
A.

Speaker 7 (59:35):
Walk walk.

Speaker 9 (59:42):
No, no, the atholenose, all the adolenos.

Speaker 7 (59:54):
They moving down Texans. Yeah, they ain't moving down as none.

Speaker 9 (01:00:04):
He has none, he hathelenos and.

Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
Even enought tess.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Yeah they do now testion TENSI our tensis.

Speaker 9 (01:00:50):
I'll hell no.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
Mad say, oh kick ass. Were you in the band
for the event that we're going to label the ghost
car incident ghost car incident?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Oh when they got hit?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
I got hit by a ghost car right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
No, I was not. I was flying in for that
gig and I was about to take off. I was
sitting on the tarmac at nine in the morning and
a text came in. It was like, oh my god,
are you okay? I said, I'm fine. What are you
talking about? And just enough time to look on Facebook
and see something I had took off. Wild I missed
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Wow. And just think your A order could have exploded
in that car.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yeah, they could have been ghost car murderers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
So you were in the band, but you weren't in
the car.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
That's true. Yeah, I think I might have gone back
to Kentucky. It was flying the gig. It was the
gig was in Kansas City that night.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Wow, you look at you. The good Lord is looking
out for you, my man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Oh yeah, if I leave unluckiness in my wake, maybe Yeah.
I like the way you thought of it better.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
It's like when you look in the rearview mirror and
you see all those accidents, you're like, what's wrong with
those assholes? Weird?

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
It's not me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Yeah, see, I'm fine here. It's all those people behind me.
They don't know how to drive. John, tell everybody where
they can find you on social media and also the band.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
I guess, also the band. So it's your uncle Lucius
dot com. I'm on the Instagram under a j grow
Zzz record songs as Sleepy John. Sleepy John on Spotify
and it's JOm.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
What kind of music is Sleepy John.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
It's a little eclectic. Put one album out in twenty twenty.
I don't know, rock and roll singer songwriter. You know,
piano was in there, so maybe some warren Zevon influence
a little bit of Harry Nielsen. Yeah, the classics, speech Boys, Beatles,
stuff like that. I've got an album I'm gonna put
out this year without any guitar. It's got tuba bass.

(01:03:04):
I do a majority of the drumming myself. There's some
funny songs on it that I'm very excited about that
one coming out. And then I have a EP that's
kind of a funk band to release them to do
this year, I got to get on a schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Yeah, you got to get somebody with a pen and
a spreadsheet going right. Well again, like I said, everybody,
John Grossman from Uncle Lucia's and also.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Jay Grows Eazz.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Jay Grows check them out everywhere on Spotify. What are
the chances that Jay Grows these is going to open
for Uncle Lucius.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I don't know. We haven't crossed that bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Because y'all all do solo shits.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Yeah that maybe that That's probably what it'll wind up being.
After a while, It'll just be bills of three of
our bands and then our band. Maybe that's that seems feasible.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Something that sounds fun could have sounds fun as well.
Everybody go check out your Uncle Lucius dot com like
I said for tour dates. They're going all over the place,
but you better catch them before they leave Texas unless
you live in all those other countries. I couldn't pronounce.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I should shout out our gig. Three of us in
the band are in a band called the Guthree Girls,
which is every Wednesday, we're in town at Sam'stown Point
in Austin. Do you know Samstown Point?

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Not really an Austin guy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I'm very biased, but my favorite Honckey Talk in town.
I used to live on the property. It's all the
way down south. Great music at sam'stown Point.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Sam'stown Point yep, almost in Manshack so far so oh wow, jeez, okay, yeah,
good spot. Well kick ass. Thanks for that little tip.
Hell yeah go check that out too. Every win when.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
You're in town every Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Every Wednesday, when you're in town. Three of the dudes
from the band yep, that's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Oh yeah, great band.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Look at you just just acting like a regular person.
And even though you're a huge rock star, world famous
rock star, he's just hanging out of the at Sam's
just hanging it, just kicking it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
It's it. We just had a song. Johnny Knoxville's daughter
is a regular there, and he just played one of
our songs on his big XM serious show. Great tune.
Well shit, Yeah, a lot of a lot of luminaries
coming through Sam's.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
And the name of this band again is the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Gu Three Girls, a couple of Arlow's daughters, really granddaughters, yep,
oh my and their niece. She's a real superstar, Serena Guthrie,
the whole group of them. They're charming, great songs, dancers.
It's a scene. I'm telling you well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
That sounds sick as shit. And it's on a Wednesday.
It's on Wednesdays, it's tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I'm excited for it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Yeah, I'll check you out. That does sound like a
lot of fun ladies them. Go check out all of
the things that John just said, all of the different
bands and all of the different places. It's on the Spotify's,
it's in the Austin's, it's on the tours. So go
check out everything. Uncle Lucius, go check out everything. The
gu Three Girls, and go check out everything. Jay Gris,

(01:06:19):
go check them out everywhere, and again follow them on Instagram.
Make sure you say hello John and I heard you
on Fascination Street.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
If you don't use that voice, I'm not replying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
That's what I'm talking about, John Dude, Thank you so much.
I super super appreciate it. I'm a little heartbroken that
I'm not going to be able to come and meet
you guys in Green this weekend while you're recording that
next album. That really bumms me out. I was really
looking forward to that. But hopefully I will be able
to get away and see you on May tenth, which

(01:06:51):
is actually the anniversary of my first date with my wife,
so it's on May tenth, San Marcus. Maybe I'll get
a chance to pop up there and and see you. Then.
You guys are kicking all of the ass, Please don't stop.
You are rock and roll at its finest. You're also
country at its finest. You're oh my gosh, it's just

(01:07:12):
dawned on me. You're Donnie and Marie. You're a little
bit of country and a little bit of rock and roll.
Y'all are killing it, and I really appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
You are immense Oh, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
I'm gonna let you go have a great rest of
your day, I guess, and enjoy tonight at Sam's with
all of the Guthrie Girls. Dude.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Oh yeah, thanks, Steve. Really appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Man, Dude, I had a blast and I will tag
you and them and everybody when this comes out, and
I'll give you a little bit of a heads up too.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I'll shoot you an instant message. Holler at me when
anytime you can make it love to chat in person.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Oh well, I will take you up on that, hopefully.
I love you, buddy. Thank you have fun on your
world tour.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Thanks fuddy, take care.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
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