S11 Ep. 18 "CJ McCollum's Big Night & the Scourge of Tanking"

Keith and Dave discusses late game strategy, CJ McCollum's big night, tanking & the player participation policy, Tony Allen's jersey retirement, and a lot more.

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Episode 793 (S11 Ep. 18)

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
All right, and welcome to Fast Break Breakfast MBA podcast.
My name is Keith Parrish and I'm here once again
with my buddy through the miracle of computer phone. I'm
here with Dave Defour. Dave, it's been a little bit.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
How have you been. Great?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Time changed, you know, we're back to oh yeah, living
in a civilization again.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
That's right. You can now play outside with your kids
after dinner now, yeah, oh, you're a civilization.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well you know, but I mean at least there's daylight.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
At least there is daylight. Yeah. We had a spring break.
I just got done with a spring break. Yes. We
took it Ea See for most of the week, and
then we drove to Memphis, Tennessee. We took the children
on a pilgrimage to Tony Allen. We saw the Tony

(01:13):
Allen Jersey Retirement pro shop. Actually, there's gonna be a
couple of listeners submitted questions about the Tony Allen Jersey Retirement.
It was easily the most cusswords they've ever heard in
any one sitting. It was. It was as if we
kept them out after their bedtimes to go see like

(01:33):
a ratedar movie.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
It's like if you called me on Bluetooth and had
the kids in the division.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, like, hey, brother, you're on speakerphone.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, that's what we did for spring break. Dave, your
life is a spring break. What you been up to?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't know about that. Uh, you know, just working
working out. Actually, you know, I got a I got
a road trip.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Coming up next week. Take some time off, you know,
before we get to the playoffs. So I'm gonna do
a little California adventure and nice go up to yose
seventy player around the snow.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It should be fun.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
That seems awesome. Yeah, it's it's a big time in
the world of basketball. Of course, we have the NCAA Tournaments.
The men's and women's brackets have been set. We already
had our first four game. I don't everyone knows. I
don't really watch college basketball. I caught the highlights of
Alabama State winning and this is the first four game

(02:31):
in the men's bracket. They threw a hail Mary with
like three and a half seconds left on the clock
in a tie basketball game. Dave, is this the right move?
I feel like they won the game, but it's a
high game and you're throwing a full court inbounds bass
with three and a half seconds left. It feels like
too many things can go wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
But yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
How do you feel about it?

Speaker 3 (02:54):
I mean, obviously it was crazy. Is the ball was
batted around.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You know, you always want to be the one to
get the last shot off, right, So you know, that's why.
That's why I often ended the game.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
You just see the isolation because say you run a
play as a coach, Hey, I'm gonna call this play,
and then they throw the ball away. Well, now all
of a sudden, you're on the hook. Whereas if you
just hand the ball off to a guy, it's like, oh,
you know what, Hey got a good look. Hey you
did your best. And so it's more about risk mitigation.

(03:27):
That being said, I love it, go for it.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Trying the game over time puts it in the hands
of the refs. Just they had big guys down in
the paint. I mean, you know, if you're gonna do that,
Hail Mary, that's the way to do it.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I just I I had a nightmare. Again, I didn't
watch the game. I don't know if both teams run
the bonus like that affects my opinion because like what
only saw the last time, the last play, but it's like,
if that ball sails out of bounds, now you're turning
the ball over over three seconds left, nomation.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Got your play and they're gonna They're gonna try to.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Risk mitigation is one of the worst things about I
say it the most in the NFL, and I feel
like a lot of just traditional coaching strategy we see
in the NBA, it's all about risk mitigation and being like, oh, no,
you should you should kick the extra point. In football
to tie the game, it's like, no, you're you're basically
accepting I have a fifty percent chance of winning if

(04:21):
it goes in overtime or worse. Like, there's so much
of it is just extending you try to extend yourself
from losing. Where it's like, no, let's find out now
if we're gonna win the game. Let's find out now.
With seven minutes left, it's like the it's the coach
is going for the quick two instead of it's like, no,
you need to you need to make a three point
it right here. If you miss it, the game's over
ten seconds left, that's fine, You're not gonna win. The

(04:43):
other way. It doesn't matter if you stay alive for
ten more seconds of a game clock.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Anyways, do you subscribe to the idea that the road
team should go for the win, like if they're down,
to go for three and get the win instead of
trying to take it to overtime Because to me, like
I've been involved in overtime games, and number one, it's
a toss up, right, like if you can win the
if you can win the tip, or if you have
the opening possession, great, you've got to built an advantage, right,

(05:07):
Like you can already start the clock, especially if you score.
But how do you feel about it, Like when you're
watching your team if they're if they're down too, do
you want them to try to go for the win?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I don't have I don't have a uh. I don't
think I have a set answer to that. I think
it's a game by game situation. I think it's thinking
about how the game's been going. I mean, maybe there
are situations where you're on a road trip in the
NBA and you're like, we got a flight to Salt
Lake City tonight, let's go for the win. You know,
like this might affect our ability to win the basketball

(05:39):
game tomorrow. I don't know if that really ever plays
into it as far as like not on the road,
let's just go for the win. I mean also the
older I get, Dave, I want everyone to play for
the win. I don't want anyone going like like, what's
the worst thing that can happen here? It's not losing,
it's going into overtime.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, especially call this air travel.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Do give me that regular relation loss so I don't
have to watch five more minutes. That shows how washed
I am as a as a basketball fan.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I talk about overtime too, like eleven or fifteen, like
a target score overtime.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
We've talked about. I am not a target score person.
I am not an elam ending guy. I am a
Why is overtime five minutes long? That doesn't make any sense?
This is one of my bits, one of my many
bits of like five minutes not divisible by a twenty
four second shot clock. Everything else we do in the
NBA is divisible by four five. It's yeah, no sense,
it doesn't. Why is in overtime four minutes? Why is

(06:34):
it over number three minutes? Like four minutes is a perfect? Yeah,
it's a perfect that's ten twenty four second possessions. Why
isn't overtime four minutes? Also, the games are too long.
That was the big worry. I'll be real. Going back
to the trip to Memphis, the big worry was the
fact that the Grizzlies play the longest games in the
NBA and we're playing this stupid heat and I'm like,

(06:55):
if this heat game doesn't end until nine to thirty,
and then this postgame thing is uh because they do
the ceremony after, they don't rush, which is good. It's
it's like, you know, but they have to break down.
They got or they gotta set up the stage. Then
they gotta it's forever. I'm actually gonna answer this question' gon.
I'm gonna jump ahead. We're gonna jump all around to that.

(07:17):
Listener submitted question across question Ah any questions? Yes, are
you going to finish that quass?

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Knock yourself out?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Uh? Uh? Here we go before breakfast. Adam P wants
to know, uh, how bored were your kids at the
Tony Allen Jersey retirement ceremony, and then Jeff Hawktor wants
to know what Jersey retirement ceremony has included the most

(07:55):
F bombs and Jeff as far as I know, it
was Tony Allen's Adam answered your question how bored were
my kids? Unbelievably beyond comprehension board but only for the set.
Like it actually started off with a pretty good kick.
And also I was pitching it to my son, like

(08:15):
you always want to stay up late. This is the
latest you've ever been allowed to stay awake, and so,
like the game actually got over pretty quickly. That was cool.
The game was done. It was a blowout and there
was no weird fouling in the final like six minutes.
Uh so, like it actually kicked off I think at
like nine twenty. And it starts off with the showing
clips from the documentary that are very entertaining and like,

(08:35):
my you know, my kids will watch a movie. There's
seven and ten by the way, for the listeners, I
have a seven year old girl, ten year old boy.
And then initially there was some zip, you know, obviously
it was the scripted stuff, and like we're gonna do
this for five minutes, and this for five minutes, and
they didn't know, you know, much of what was going on,
but it was fine. But the girl who loves going
to sleep, the seven year old eight thirty pm, lights

(08:57):
out all the time, shows herself to bet she's not
one to be like she's like, guys, I'm I'm turning in.
I'm bushed like she is, loves falling asleep, gets up
really early, so she's she's kind of struggling. So I'm
holding her just being like it's cool, like just hang out.
We're watching this. This is great. Also, like we we
had uh we you know, tried to win them over

(09:18):
with like third quarter ice cream, like we we're getting
a big bowl of ice cream in the third quarter,
but our mistake was no, but once you get the
ice cream, yeah, we didn't have any water, and you
get so thirsty, like like after you know, after you
have a bunch of ice cream. So like so then
this is it's like a Now it's like an hour
past ice cream. And now when we start kicking into
like ten thirty, when Tony Allen is still talking and

(09:40):
it's like uh and she's like, I'm so thirsty, and
it's like, I'm sorry, we messed up. Can't bring a
water ball in this place. We didn't buy like we're
out of water. Like anyways, So the answer to the
questions of the most f bombs ever for any retirements
retires cremony. It was also David. It was broadcast live
on network television. I don't know if anyone complained yet.

(10:00):
I don't know if we still have an FCC, Like
do you do you have a I.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Think everyone is kind of paying attention, but like this.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Was this was a game that actually was broadcast on
network because like FanDuel, they worked the Grizzies work kind
of thing. This was on like it was on NBC
in Nashville over the air and they carried it live,
which was awesome for all Grizzlies fans. But they had
no seven second delay. Wow, you think FanDuel can pay
for a seven second delay? Come on now?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
But like, like I assumed there.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Was one, But then I went back and watched clips,
I'm like, nope, nothing was edited. But it was funny
because again, the first thirty minutes, it was like a
well scripted podcast. Yeah, they did what they were doing
the first thirty minutes, PG even g but then like
people started getting emotional, Tony started going off script. His
wife clearly had been instructed to keep him on his
mark on the stage, like stay centered, stay you know,

(10:51):
so she kept pushing them back to like it was
really funny, Like I was like, I see what's happening.
She's like in charge. But then tell you, I mean
it was a it was a wonderful ceremony. It was
I loved it as a Grissies fan. It was amazing.
As a seven and a ten year old, they were
the most bored they've ever been, and they were so
sleepy and they're like, yeah, we walked him back to
the hotel, you know, like ten forty five.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Anyways, daven't know with kids Friday night and went to
Medieval Times.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I think they had a better time.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I don't I don't know if
my kids are going to be clamoring to go back
to a Grisses game. So that might have back for me.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Listen, they went, they thought they were going to a
basketball game and some sort of an adult ceremony.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
It had to And also this is our bad for
not getting him in church. More so they so they've
gotten learned. So they learned how to sit still for
an hour when something's going on and I don't know
what's happening, Like this guy's just talking. He was talking
about you learned.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
To sit through something. That's what I'm saying. I tell you.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Sermons, you know, like three times a week, and it
was just like I just sit there.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
It's important for here's how to meet this awkward person
and be nice. And that's true, sit through something that
just absolutely sucks.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yes, yes, how you teach your kids like just keep
keep moving when that guy talks to him, Just keep moving.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
People thought it was disciplined because the Pewes were hard.
It's actually disciplined because it's just to be.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Like what exactly, man? You you got to retreat into
your mental space there and just start dreaming about stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Your mind palace.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, the son getting the mind palace. Anyways, Dave, if
you had a breakfast, what's what's your breakfast? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Man, look, you know what one of the things about
doing this podcast that is I have it has really
helped me become a breakfast guy. Like you know, I
used to not be a breakfast guy. Yeah. Yeah, so oatmeal,
but no pumpkin. Actually I have switched it up for
the spring. I'm just doing.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Dates, that's right.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah, in the oatmeal it's delicious, you know, and then
there you go, Yeah, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
My my breakfast. I had the All American breakfast oft
a stick of turkey jerky and girls Cot cookies.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Oh what kind?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
The lemon ones? What do they call?

Speaker 3 (13:04):
I don't even called, so I'm the short bread ones
and I've been having those with with frozen fruit like
cherries and oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
From there you go. So I am. If you're watching
on YouTube, I'm not in the studio slash my basement.
I am recording in a piano.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Room disclosed location.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Piano that's that's right, and so uh in there, there's
like a faculty break room and they've been stocking it
with the snacks. I will say, the beef jerky, the
turkey jerky. It goes first, So like if you walk
in there and there's jerkyhoa and so like, yeah, I
had one of those. And then also someone some parents
have littered up with girls cotcookies. So pretty tremendous. I

(13:46):
got a seven.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Come up.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I'm not like a big like meat replacement guy, like
since stoped meat, but uh, the jerky thing. Like I'm
going on a road trip next week. I'm gonna be
doing a bunch of hiking, like the trail mix. I'm
set I got to figure out, like, how do I
how do I compensate for for no jerky? That's one.

(14:08):
There is no like jerk tofu like you can't do that.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
No, I don't. I don't know the who. Anyways, those
were our breakfasts. We're gonna fly right over our breakfast
in bed apologies into the biggest story of today's episode.
And I think everyone knows what the biggest story is
in the NBA this week. It's Ciji McCollum having one
of the worst basketball games it's ever happened. I don't

(14:31):
think mainstream media has hit this yet. No, I don't
think that. I don't think this has come through yet. Dave,
this is Frankly, this is an emergency podcast. We haven't
recorded in a while. Spring Break, my I did not
give up podcasting for LYNT. However, my resolution did not
podcasts when my children are home. Spring break kind of

(14:51):
affected that a little bit. But Siji McCollum did something
this week that demanded my immediate attention. It demands did
mean to come out and make sure everyone knows about it.
In a franchise record setting win for the Detroit Pistons,
they beat the Pelicans by forty six and CESE McCollum

(15:13):
had one of the worst games ever. And I don't
mean that subjectively. I like to use the objective shooting
splits that he had. Cidzey McCollum. In the same game,
he had his own personal worst shooting game from the field.

(15:33):
Also in the same game, Ciji McCollum had his worst
free throw shooting game of his career. Here are the numbers.
Cze McCollum in this forty six point loss was one
for fifteen from the field and one for five from
the free throw line. First of all, Dave, and this

(15:54):
of course is I mean, now we're doing the International
Stackhouse of Pancakes Award right now, you wan, I feel like.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
This is the siege. It has to be the CJ.
McCollum Award.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
It might start if we come up with the breakfast
name using CIGI McCollum. It feels like it's out there.
So CJ. McCollum was already tied for the biggest one
for game of the season. He had a one for
fourteen game earlier this year. The other players to do
that Polo Bancaro and Jordan Clarkson, otherwise known as cig
McCollum West. But this one for fifteen game is the

(16:29):
biggest one for game of the season. It is the
one hundred and fifth time in NBA history a player
has gone one for fifteen or worse, taken at least
fifteen field goal attempts made. I don't know what's that
seven percent or less, But Dave, the combination of the
one for fifteen plus a one for five, I had

(16:49):
to do the Basketball Reference search. When has this happened before?
Has it ever happened before? Well, Dave, if only there
were a clear answer, because I found an error on
Basketball Reference and now.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I don't know if that means the whole the whole
house of cards comes somethling down. Dave. Here's here's my search,
here's my Basketball Reference search.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
This is perfect, this is great.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
So I'm sore. Here's how you do it. You go
to stat Head, you know, and you type in your
thing and you say, all right, let's start with fifteen
field goal attempts. Let's let's go with field goal percentage
under seven. Okay. That pulls up those one hundred and
five games I was talking about. And now I'm like,
let's just do something simple. Let's just do free throw

(17:32):
percentage under fifty percent and that that brings it down
to like almost nothing. Yeah, And it turned out there
was this guy. There's this search result from back in
nineteen sixty seven, this man named McCoy maclamore and Basketball
Reference slash stat heead is telling me, oh yeah, back

(17:53):
in nineteen sixty seven on the Detroit Pistons. Uh, he
went one for fifteen from the field, same as CD
mccoum all went one for five for the line, same
as Cig McCollum. I click on the box score of
the game. It doesn't match up. So now I don't
even know if this this that ever happened. If you
click on the actual game, it says he went one
for five from the field. Said he says he played

(18:14):
nine minutes. So now what's going on? It's now are there?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Now?

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Are there search errors? Now? Is my whole world changed?
And like, now what am I supposed to go to
my I'm supposed to go to my stat head. We
got we got a discord there and I've already like
I'm already the only person in there talking about anything.
It's it's it's me and Tom Haberstrow saying, hey guys, uh,
Dinny Abdy has splits. I don't think they're showing up right.
Uh So I don't want to be the squeaky wheel.

(18:40):
But now I got to be like, hey guys, so,
uh this guy McCoy macklamore in nineteen sixty seven, did
he do this thing that I'm asking about. So it's
possible CJ is the only guy ever underwent from the field.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
City the paper box score.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Okay, I need the paper, the original paper box score,
otherwise throw it out.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
There are some questions, however, I did pull ups. There
are some recent comparable comfortable games, notably in twenty ten
Dwayne Wade. This is a game where his team scored
seventy seven points. They lost to the Pacers ninety three
to seventy seven. This is November twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
I wonder what they taste adjusted because New Orleans only
scored eighty one in this game. I wonder what their
pace adjusted for ERA, Like the score would have been
like seventy points, like eighty one points in this NBA.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I don't know, it's like it's like sixty five points.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Although I got to say there were multiple teams held
under one hundred points this week. It felt like there
were more than normal just.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
In the Bucks last night. Held in ninety three by
the Warriors. You know it's march.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Dwayne Wade in this game in twenty ten was one
for thirteen. He was also one for five from the line.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
There's also I'm seeing a what do you also have
no personal fouls?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Oh wow, that's a great question. No, he had three
person of foules. He did five turnovers though, I mean
that is a game from Uh there's this guy Ray
Felix and this box score does hold up Ray Felix
of the Knicks in nineteen fifty seven. He went oh
for ten from the field, also oh for four from

(20:26):
the foul line. Like that's pretty terrible, that's special. I
would say this guy Charlie Scott play in the Philadelphia
Warriors in nineteen seven. Oh no, that's the sun. Excuse
me this nineteen seventy eight Charlie Scott had a one
for fourteen game from the field, one for four from
the foul line. So regardless, I don't think this, I

(20:47):
don't think this uh McCoy macklimore game occurred. I think
CEG McCollum is the only player ever to take fifteen
field goal attempts in a game make less than ten
percent of them, while also, uh, take at least five
free throws and make under we could just say under
fifty percent. No one's even done that, and he's one
for five. So just a stunning performance. I mean, this

(21:11):
is like, yeah, this is this is the new bar.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I mean, I mean the Pistons defense.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Is Pistons are great, not good enough for that. I mean,
they're they're the bad boys.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
My only regret him the column he's I mean, come on,
like he's.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Not even having a terrible season when he looks over
the stats.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, but he's had some stinkers.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
No, I will say, uh my, my biggest regret from
this game is that it was a forty point blowout
and Siege McCollums didn't come back in like, he didn't
play the fourth quarter. He did this. I'm pretty sure
he did this entirely through three quarters.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
So that is Uh, they had thirty two points at halftime.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's amazing, absolutely amazing.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
High school basketball.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Anyways, Dave, let's uh, let's take a break and then
we'll come back and we have a few things to
talk about, including rampant, disgusting, immoral tanking. All right, Dave,
there are probably some bigger stories to talk about. I mean,
the Warriors look really good. The Cavaliers are a two

(22:18):
game losing streak. How about that?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Another one one.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Sixteen in a row and lost two in a row.
But I am most interested in the league's investigations into
the player Participation Policy. This is why people tune into
basketball podcasts. They want to know what's going on with
the PPP. I actually had a cousin visit. I saw

(22:45):
some cousins that I don't I don't hardly ever see.
I'm talking like I these are cousins who, like, you know,
they have grown children that have kids. I have no
clue what they're what they're what these kids are called,
you know, like like yeah, so these are anyways, they've
they've is it and we're just more making small talk
and it was. It was a great visit, having a
good time hanging out. But there they live in Oklahoma,

(23:06):
and it actually just came up. They're like, hey, what's
going on with the NBA investigating our thunder And I'm like, well,
let me tell you about the most boring thing in sports,
the player participation policy. But a lot of this came
about because Dave the Utah Jazz being a little funny,
uh not playing Lowry Markin, and so they got fined

(23:27):
because Larry Markin is defined as a star. Yeah, meanwhile,
is this any better now Lowry market In plays first halves.
We're seeing the Raptors resting Yaka Perle every other game.
The Raptors played a game where it was something like
I think it was ninety five percent of the points
were scored by undrafted players.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Yeah, Emanuel quickly missed a game for rest Man.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
I don't know, like Walker Kessler has rested so much.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
For them, right, good for these guys that get paid
to It's awesome for them.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I want that for us Keith right.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
But man, if I was if I was an NBA
fan and not a guy who like this was my job, Yeah,
I just I don't know, Like, I don't know why
Utah Jazz fans are even showing up anyway.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
They stink. I mean they was thinking on purpose.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
So Utah's finally done it after years of a set
of their fans even complaining like why are we half tanking?
Like why are we finishing with the eighths worst record?
They now right now have the worst record because partly
because largely because of my guy, Chris Middleton. Oh well, yeah,
the Wizards.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Good to tell.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Kudos to me, Dave. You asked if the Wizards wore
win thirteen games, and I said absolutely because they have
a guy named Chris Middleton now on the roster. The
Wizards won four out of five with Chris Middleton, and
they pulled the plug. They only had n't played ten
minutes last game, and they were like, hey, man, you
gotta sit down.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
You know who could really use Chris Middleton, Mike Grizzlies,
the Milwaukee the Milwaukee Bucks.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
A this has been all right?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, I don't know. They don't need Kuzman, they need
they need Middleton.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
No, I thought, I thought, you mean my Memphis Grizzlies
instead of salary dumbing Marcus Smart could have used a
Chris Middleton who can score. But anyways, Dave, the Wizards
this year six and five when Chris Middleton plays, and
that includes the last game where they pulled him out
so they would lose. Yeah, nine and forty seven when
he doesn't play. But they're like, hey, we can't win.

(25:27):
They even have young guys like Justin Champagne. They're like, no, man,
you can't play anymore. You go too hard. The jazzer
are being humiliating with the way they're playing. All for
what man they have that you have the Sixers, which
like all right, Paul George stopped podcasting for three weeks

(25:48):
to chase the championship. That that ended poorly. I also
I loved how the Paul George injury news broke Dave
where it was like not, it didn't. It didn't lead
with he's out for the season. No, led with he
got injections, yes, and then he's out for the season,
And that made it seem like he's out for the
season because he got injections, which was like, this is great, right,

(26:11):
Like I understand also by the.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Way I thought we had already gone through this with Paul,
I thought everyone had already just presumed that he was
going to miss the rest of the season. I thought, yes,
we were all in the same page there.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well. Also, Eric Gordon's still not out for the season.
Eric Gordon gonna return in six weeks, that's right, But
Paul George apparently not start in and We're not We're
not naive. We understand why we're doing this. We're doing
this because the league has incentivized this to happen, which
I'm now going to play my greatest hits Dave again.

(26:47):
I was so outraged last week I almost broke my
spring break rule where I'm like, this is I can't
like the first of all, also like the league investigating
the thunder who did it? Because hey, we had three
three games and four nights and oh, by the way,
was it what they're playing that they're playing the Celtics
and the Nuggets, and they rested their guys against the Trailblazers.
They still won, right, they still won. And they're like, oh, yeah,

(27:12):
to investigate this, you said.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
And they haven't been healthy all year, you know, like
they actually have had guys in and out all years,
so you know.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
And then you had the Nuggets on Tuesday night. Was
it Tuesday night or yeah? They was just last night
where yeah on ESPN or Monday night, I can't.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
It was Monday night against the Warriors.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Against the Warriors, Yeah, they rested their guys Jamal Murray
and Jokich who'd been banged up for a while, leading
to them getting swept by the Wizards. The Wizards swept
the Nuggets this year, and then they rested their guys
against the Warriors and somewhat surprisingly upset the Warriors, and
they snapped the Warriors tin game went streak, and the
NBA is like, this is terrible.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Well then Steph rested against the Bucks. Yeah, and the
Bucks lost.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah. So I mean, I understand if you're buying a ticket,
it stinks, Like right now, it absolutely stinks. You had
you know, if it was a Raptor's game, if you
bought a Raptor six Ers ticket two three, four months ago,
you paid a premium for that ticket, and now it's
essentially valueless, and you're like, hey, guys, let's go watch

(28:13):
Colin Castleton to play forty minutes.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
What if you had Dallas Mavericks season tickets.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Dude, if you bought like a Mavericks Warriors ticket earlier
in the year. And I mean, the Mavericks are their
own thing, because the Mavericks, Like again, like everyone said,
this was not the hot take, Like we said specifically
and everyone else said the moment the trade happened, this
is the worst trade in the history of sports.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Like I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Ever, It's like you you took a ten year title
window and made it a zero year title window. And
also by the way you broke your business, you somehow
made your NBA franchise worth less, which should be impossible
to do. Yeah, yet you pulled it off. Yeah, I
mean since we last podcast. Of course Kyrier ring out
for the season. I think that happened in the last

(28:58):
since we yea in the last So, like, I mean,
obviously everything is going horribly for the Mavericks. They're also
they had the hysterical thing where they might have to
forfeit because of the NBA's dumb first apron rules. Uh,
and they're like, we're actually out of players.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
They can't get there.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
They're asking for some salary relief from the league, which
to to me, just on its face, Uh, this is
a classic candidate for they should be able to, you know,
maybe wipe Kyriees off the books.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, at least for the tax purposes this year.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Because they had seven guys dress that's not that's not safe.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
That's I mean, that's what the again, that's what we're
Is it not safe, Dave? Because now now I fall
to the guys I don't play. You can play basketball
game with seven guys.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
It's it's not safe to do it every night.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, say that seven guys, like you'll run these One
of them is Klay Thompson by the way, you know, like,
let's just be.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Clear, than a job three point line to three point line,
he'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
He's already shopping for how Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
So yeah, I don't. Anyways, all this goes back to
we know why teams are losing on purp. The Mavericks
are not losing on purpose. The Mavericks still alive. I mean,
they're gonna make the play in probably. I don't know.
I thought the Trailblazers were going to do it. The
Trailblazers had a little losing streak. By the way, Dave,
the Trailblazers are the last two months. Uh, this is
literally since what since January nineteenth? They had the seventh

(30:16):
best net rating in the NBA and some things in
the disclay.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I love that you're getting the inside scooon.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
No, I was, I know, I obviously I follow the
league so closely behind the Grizzlies now and like they're
playing the Trailblazers tonight and people are like, well, get
this one, and I'm like, guys, the Trailblazers have a
better record than the Grizzlies over the past two months.
Just just just be ready that they're awesome at defense,
and just be ready as the Chris is play without
John Morant, who's uh suffering now a hamstring issue. But anyways,

(30:50):
going back to the tanking thing, this is because you
reward the losing teams, and I would like to reemphasize
we don't have to do this. We don't have to
do this. I think I.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Think that Oh I was going to ask you, what how.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Am I doing? I'm doing I've done this before. I'm
repeating it because it turns out some people have forgotten
some people have never heard of people. So I think
instead of ordering the lottery by losses right now, that's
the lottery standings. Instead of doing that, let's order the

(31:27):
lottery based on how many wins you get over teams
that have a better record than you at the time
of the matchup. You could even do it the same
record as you at the time of a matchup. The
problem with its elevator pitch is it is slightly more
confusing than just saying whoever has the worst record. But

(31:48):
I think I think I think the league. I think
the league is so into pitching these like that they
got the Ncason Tournament. I think if you called it
instead of like, instead of saying wins over teams better
than you, you could just call it a lottery point.
You get a lottery point anytime you beat a team
that has the same record or a better record than you.

(32:09):
Meaning if your team's horrible, every time you lose the
team that beats you, that's not helping them. It's also
not helping you. It removes the uncomfortable thing of Trailblazers
fans being like, hey, I know we're good at defense now,
and Timani Kamara is awesome, and Scoot Henderson's playing great,
but also we should just get a lottery pick, and
we should make that pick as best as possible. It

(32:30):
removes the weirdness of Sixers fans being like, hey, Quentin Grime,
stop scoring.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Right, you know, not being awesome.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
You should never feel bad as an NBA fan if
your team wins. You should never feel bad as a
sports fan in any league if your team wins. I
feel like this fixes it to me. There's no downside
to this. I've actually I've thought about it years ago.
I've been tracking it for years. If you just tracked like,
all right, basically every game the Wizards win, it would
be good for them. You could be like, yeah, we

(32:58):
got it a lottery point. It makes you compete. You
could still focus on your young guys. But you wouldn't
be shutting down your young guys who were playing well
for these dumb reasons. You wouldn't be telling Larry Mark
and hey, just play the first halves of these games
like it's preposterous. The only downside that I see, dude,
is if you had a team that decided, let's say,

(33:18):
a really wily team like a Sam Presty Thunder team
that said, hey, we're gonna tank this year no matter what.
And again, this isn't This isn't a side, Dave. The
Thunder are amazing and are held up as the reason
tanking works. I would just pose it. They could have
gotten here without taking right like they got Chad Holmgren
because they jumped up to second. But they jumped up

(33:40):
that year, that's right. Like they've also missed on some
of their lottery picks, a lot of them their best
stuff have been trades. Their best stuff was getting shakers.
Alexander like Jalen Williams was a late lottery pick. Yeah yeah,
So like I'm saying the thunder, yes, it worked out
for them, but also we don't have proof that it
wouldn't have worked out for them if they just tried
to win it. They didn't say it.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Had nothing to do.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
The only downside would be, like, what if a team
like Milwaukee who gets off to a slow start this
year or this year's Sixers who got from a horrible start,
And you're saying, well, then then this team could get
healthy and then win games and rack up all these
lottery points. That's true, but that's also literally what happens
right now where you have these teams take gap years
where like the Sixers are going to get a top

(34:25):
I mean, they have a coin flip because their pick
is only top six protected. But that's what happens now
that the good teams get injured, they already win the lottery.
This is already the thing that occurs. This is already
the weakness of the current system. All I would say
is keep the current flattened lottery odds and instead of
rewarding losing, you reward you actually reward winning. Anytime you win,
it's gonna help your squad. You're either keeping the opponent

(34:47):
from getting a lottery point or you're getting yourself a
lottery point. I also think for the play and dave
those teams because right now we still have the issue
of like is it better for us to miss the play.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Right, like the Mavericks are dealing with right Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
And I would just say the top six teams in
each conference who make it clearly in they're the only
people not in the lottery. I would open up the
lottery to all sixteen teams, keep.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
The bottom up the lottery to all every team.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I mean, the the lottery for everybody. It makes more
sense than rewarding losing. Rewarding losing is is. It's just
it's not and you are killing your fans killing.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
If you wanted to say top twelve has has lower
odds than than the bottom eighteen, I would be amenable
to that. But to me, I am I think that
you just completely take out any incentive toward losing. Make
it a crap shoot. If you're not going to make
it an open market, make it a crap shoot. And

(35:53):
and you know, you figure out some parameters so that
you don't have like, Okay, the Lakers get the number
one picked years in a row, like I'm not and
not even like this wheel thing that that I've seen before,
but like you can come up with a way to
avoid this stuff maybe in my twelve you know, I would.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Say even in my system. Another thing that is like
deeper down my cuts of things that I would propose.
I'm also open to, Like you can't win the lottery
like more than once every three years. Yeah, like once
you win it, you can't do.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
It, like we just have to.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
I feel like the season ticket holder is the biggest
loser with this NBA situation now. Yeah, and it's just
like they I feel like the teams treat their season
ticket holders like no, no, no, you're are I mean, they.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Don't treat them like they're part of a community.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
It's like our patreon supporters, like like a patren supporter,
you're saying, you know, my Patreon supporters, they're paying to
support the creation of this show without even like you know,
they're gonna get some shows, like they're gonna get some
Grids and Grinds episodes, but like it's not gonna be
like hey, uh, I'm not selling you a thing where
like hey, here's your shirt, like you bought this thing.

(37:01):
Where Like since the NBA they're asking the patrons to
be like, hey, just you're just funding us. We might
give you a good game, we might not give you
a good game. And it's like that that seems wild
to me. Also, it would fix TV, like yeah, the
ratings being weird and like not you know, being like
why can't you flex this game off because they're not
trying to win. I mean like you could even do

(37:23):
it where I initially thought that, like you, like in
my system, you could start on opening night, be like
if you won the game.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Guess what you're that's a lottery point.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
You got a lottery point. Both things were, both teams
were zero zero zero, or you could do it. You
could do it once the NBA Cup's over. Now we're
tracking lottery points. It's something else to track. Adam Silver
seems to love standings.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
He does.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
He seems to love like like weird things.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
I would just do the lottery for everybody and just
call it a day again, man, Like I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
As well as long as you set that lottery. Are
you saying just do it flat?

Speaker 3 (37:59):
I would either, I think that you can do a thing,
because what you want is a league that has talent distributed, right,
and however you get there is however you get there.
And I would argue, you know the other thing, there's
so much parody right now. If you got rid of tanking,
you would have even more parody because there would be
more competitive games. Because we watch some of these tanking teams.

(38:20):
They're competitive even when their stars are hurt. So, you know,
the skill curve in the NBA has flatten so much.
I think you could you could adjust those lottery odds.
Do like that bucket of the non playoff teams right
and then play in and below.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Then you're in this other.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Bucket with the same odds, and and you know, good
luck and if like imagine what if like you know,
you look at look at the play in teams right now, Okay, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago, Miami, Minnesota, Clippers,
Kings maps, if any of those teams were to somehow
luck into the number one pick and get Cooper Flat,

(38:59):
now all of a sudden they're championship contenders.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Maybe yeah, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (39:02):
And to me, that's better than like, I don't want
to see Cooper Flagg go to the Utah Jazz.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Guys, you just mentioned teams that I like, the Sun
shouldn't get this guy.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Come on now that I didn't say the Suns, did
you not? No? I did not. I would never, although I.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Do, I get I give the Suns credit for blind
blindly going for it, just blindly going for it against
against all odds. Yeah, I mean you mentioned like the talent,
the talent should be somewhat evenly dispersed, and that's the
thing like you said it, it actually kind of is. Yeah,
these teams can't compete. We shouldn't have they choose not to.

(39:43):
We shouldn't have fifteen and fifty five records. Like the
Jazz could win games. They don't. They're they're purposely not
like like I mean, Colin Sexton is a decent basketball player,
and like Walker Kessler's good, and like I don't know,
Mark is used to be good.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
He's a star.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
He's the literal star. Anyways, Dave Lowry's really good. Let's
actually take a Oh, no, I was gonna say, speaking
of our patron supporters, I do need to acknowledge some
of those amazing Patreon supporters. I got to congratulate some
of the standout fantasy basketball players. Congrats to Mitchell, Buchanan

(40:27):
and Owen for making it Yeah from Baywatch is that
I don't even know that reference. Amazing the uh those
guys made it into the championship game, and our thirty
team full Keeper Dynasty League I had made it to

(40:50):
the semifinals somewhat miraculously. I actually, Dave, this is gonna
be bad for the listeners. I was still alive in
all five fantasy leagues I was in until Sunday. It
was killing me. That's too many leagues. But anyways, I'm
I'm in the final of one of our listener leagues
against George. I'm in another final of the other listener
league against Derek O'Dell. We're in the semifinals of the

(41:14):
forty teen International Stackhouse of Pancakes Negative Fantasy League. So
a huge congrats to Mike Friedrich and Adam Pike, and
then me and Caleb were battling out. Don't get last.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, I don't know how you're doing this.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
The the last four remaining. Like, here's the thing I
wanted to win my semifinal in in Dynasty. But honestly,
losing one was was good. I mean, I gotta I
gotta get because I start I started getting obsessive. I started,
I start adding up all the numbers to be like,
all right, who's gonna do what this week? All right,
we gotta we gotta. I gotta find I gotta get
some assists. Man, I gotta find some assists. But like, yeah,
so I'm I'm, I'm I'm a little relieved. Anyways, congrats

(41:53):
to all those people. Also, by the way, if you're
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So if you want to go over there and do that,
that'll be at patreon dot com. Slash fast break Breakfast.

(42:23):
All right, Dan, I gotta I got a question for you.
I think this is this is here's our mainstream. We're
going mainstream. Here's our here's our big mainstream talking point.
I hit McCollum, I hit CG McCollum and I hit tanking,
two of my favorite things. Now, who would you rather be?
Which team would you rather be? The Suns, the Sixers,

(42:46):
or the Mavericks. If ESPN first takes it, I had
done this, I feel good.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
They probably have. I would say, you know what, Phoenix,
actually okay? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Well, number one, you have an owner who's willing to
spend money, all right, and whether that's good or bad,
I think it depends on who's running the frost.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
How does he have though, Well, I have no idea,
but I don't know if he's gonna keep spending it.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
He's also in the home mortgages. I don't know if
you've looked at those lately, but I expect the Sons.
Maybe maybe the Sons are gonna be sold. Who knows,
I don't know, but I think, yeah, Phoenix, because if
you look, okay, so you've got Kevin Durant and you
screwed up that relationship, but you know that he's an
asset who's movable, which, by the way, the Suns are insane.
I would shut him down right now because he's old,

(43:36):
he's already been hurt once. You can't like you have
to be able to move him this summer, and if
you wind up, like if he were to suffer some
sort of injury, you're stuck. So I think if you're Phoenix,
that's the number one thing. Hey, look, we can move
Kevin Durant. One of these teams is gonna give us something.
Whether that's a young player and some picks or or whatever,

(43:58):
I don't know, but we can move off of him.
I think their biggest move would be to not take
in too many expensive veterans, right, Like you don't want
to take in that Klay Thompson's contract, But then you
also got Devin Booker, right, So whether you're gonna move
him or not, I just think you're in a better
place to start to rebuild. You know, with the Sixers

(44:18):
Embiid's contract, you're stuck. Paul George looked real old when
he was out there this year, and he is thirty
five years old, has three years left. Maxie's great, Like
I think Maxie and Jared McCain that's a really nice
pair of guys to have. But you're you're stuck with
what is it ninety million dollars or whatever that is dollars.

(44:40):
More So, I mean, you know, the numbers have gotten
so ridiculous. Keith, I've stopped looking at salary cheets because
they just don't matter.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
That's all, that's all fake. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
So I just think when you and what was the
other one, oh Dallas, Well you trade away Luca and
you're never gonna come back.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah. Ever, the problem Mavericks literally they might as well move.
They're not gonna move, but they might as well.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
So I think, my so, if you ignore the Luca thing,
which is or if you ignore the fact that you
stabbed all your fans yeah in the back, and and
you and like you despite the fact that you've poisoned
the well of your fan base, which like, how do
I We're supposed to do that? And and then Kyrie's hurt.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
So, like I think the way forward with the Mavericks
because you because you don't have that fan attachment to
Anthony Davis is you you clearly you just jettison Anthony
Davis and you hope you get a massive return, and
you should absolutely get a massive return for Anthony Davis.
So like that that's a path.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Out Anthony Davis and a couple of draft picks. Maybe
you can get Luka.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Doncic Anthony Davis is a path is a path out.
But you have to rebuild your entire fan base. And
you also you don't have any you don't, you have
no building blocks like you have no I mean, like
you could also probably you could flip. It's huge.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I mean, I mean that's what I'm saying, Like it's
a he probably has a better market than Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
He should, I think, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean
if I'm if I'm.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Chicago, how about the bulls Man?

Speaker 1 (46:15):
You know, if I'm my Memphis Grizzlies, I give up everything,
every asset basically to pair Anthony Davis, Jearre and Jackson
Junr Like yeah, let's go. Let's roll. Of course, matching
the salaries and getting your owner to pay lecture tacks,
that's the that's the whole issue. I think, you know,
you could even sell off, like you don't need Gafford
in Lively anymore, like because you got rid of Luca,
like you know, like you hurt, you hurt, and also

(46:37):
your your future picks. You're limited. You still have some stuff,
so it's not as bad that the Sun's one. Yeah,
it seems clear, all right. Durant walks out the door.
I would probably also pick the Suns because just I
feel like you could even though you have no draft picks,
essentially you have you have some bad like multiple flips.
You get the worst of like three or four picks.
But even you still have Devin Booker late twenties, like

(47:00):
you're getting five, five more years, seven more years. Maybe
Devin book are being great and so like that asset
probably the most valuable asset. I would assume he'd get
more than Anthony Davis in a trade. But like Durant
shows you some way out there and with the Sixers,
it's tough. I don't know though, because like you said,

(47:20):
I mean, McCain and Maxie also Grimes.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Who they you gotta not going to be able to
afford to pay this summer.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
You gotta you gotta flip grind based off.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
The Harrison traded Grimes too, by the way, like I know,
I mean, this is just colossal.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
The Pistons traded him for Tim Hardaway, junior men of
the Pistons have like what the fourth best net rating over.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
The last two months? What they also they brought in
Tobias harris Man.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, big big, who's going to try.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
To trade swing a big trade for Tobias Harris. Is
he untouchable for Detroit? Probably is Man could have seen
that coming.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I think all those squads where I thought I thought
the Mavericks and the Sixers were two of the six
biggest title threats coming into the year. That was my
personal opinion Maverie for that was also the opinion of Vegas.
Like the betting odds, the title odds that I don't know,
I have it in front of me, but like because

(48:20):
I'm at a school and I can't go to those websites, No,
the I I would I would assume like the downfall
is shocking and all of a sudden. If you think
embiid is going to be broken for the rest of
his contract, and if Paul George is this bad for
the rest of his contract, well that it's real hard
to get out of. Yeah, it's it's just a it's

(48:42):
it's a rough place to be in. I do think
the Suns have more more avenues because I can't imagine
the Sixers dumping. You still hang on to MAXI for forever.
The Suns, it's all about Devin Booker. If he says
he wants to be there, you keep having Booker for forever,
even if he has.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Is a jumpstar. Also, Bradley Peel's got a market, you know,
like he will maybe.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I don't think he does. Just that that no trade
is so devastating. Yeah, even though he's he's been playing
relatively well, he just you know, he's banged up right now. Again.
He just that's his thing. And so he's only got.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Two years left and really it's only one year because
then he's a big expiring I just I don't know, man,
I think that, Yeah, Phoenix is not in as bad
as spot as those other ones. The other thing is,
I don't think the Mavericks are going to do anything.
I don't think they're gonna move a D. I think
Gafford probably gets moved, but they were trying to move well,
they weren't trying to move him, but they were considering

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moving him at the deadline.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah, to try, I would I would probably. I mean,
I don't know, like if it is just sell off
everything because like PJ. Washington, you can get something for him.
Naji Marshall, can can you flip out his huge stats
while he's like posted these monster numbers in the games
where no one's playing. By the way, the Mavericks have

(50:01):
no one playing. They have like seven or eight guys available,
you know, for Wednesday night's game. Anyways, Oh dave.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I guess we're going to use AI generated players.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, they did create a weird AI generated hype video.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Oh my o.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
The things speaking about the league and its relationship with
its fans and how losing is bad for television, is
bad for the people attending the games, the people buying
the tickets. Also, I don't know if this falls into
the same category, but this felt like two things where
I felt like the league aggressively not liking its fans. One.

(50:38):
I know all NBA tickets are now on your phones,
but if you run an old operating system. I think
my iOS is like three years old. It might be older.
I couldn't get into the game. I have my wife
download like things because like we were using a secondary
you know, ticket market thing one that doesn't support me.

(50:59):
But like credit Card gave me a big discount, so
I bought them and it's like, all right, these are
now in your Ticketmaster app. Can't use it, won't It
won't work on my iOS. I go into the browser,
doesn't work on the browser. There's just it doesn't work.
They're talking like Chrome Safari anything on my phone, Like
it won't work. So she downloads, all right, fine, so
that's Friday Night's game, Saturday night game. Buy it from
the same secondary market. This one doesn't go to Ticketmaster

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and goes to the Grizzlies app. Grizzly is app. Same
thing won't work on my phone, like won't load, and
so I'm like, how is this? How is this? Like again,
I'm technologically capable. I have there's an app on my
phone that that's been retired by Apple, and I don't
want to get rid of it. Like so it's like,
it's this music app. It's really cool. It actually is

(51:42):
a good use of AI. It like it like comes
up with like drum links and basslines and like it's
a very cool app. There might be something comparable out there,
but anyways, I'm running an old iOS. But then also,
Dave nationally televised game Thunder Celtics. We can end on this.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Mhm.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
This antics took twenty two to three pointers and two
two pointers in the first quarter of that basketball game.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Insane.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Joe Missoula is a funny guy because what you'll see
is like they are they there's some gamesmanship there. He's like, oh,
we're not gonna run. Yeah, okay, sixty three three point attempts?
Man like that it's if it's if, that's it. Maybe
that's what I mistakes. Now, this is how I think
he's playing the game, because look, I've watched maybe more

(52:30):
basketball than anybody. I don't know somebody out there. This
is grinding tape, all right, And I'm not grinding tape anymore.
But I'm watching all these games and as many of
them as I can, and I watch so many Celtics games, unfortunately,
because you don't see much variance in their approach during
the regular season. You see there are games here and
there where they crank it up a notch and you
see defensive stuff, but man, offensively, part of this is

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that those guys kind of play like jerks and when
when if the shots don't fall, they start getting a
little bit selfish. But the sixty three to three point
attempt that that is almost like a troll job by
the Celtics saying we're giving you nothing. Remember poor Zingis
didn't play in that game, right, So I just think

(53:13):
that they were like, you know what, we're gonna rup
it down. We're gonna get Cardio in if we win,
we win, right, let's try to win. Yeah, but let's
not let's not try too hard offensively as far as
like getting into our stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yeah. That that twenty two to three point attempts in
the first quarter is the second most attempts in any
quarter in NBA history. But also it has to be
the first time there's ever been a team that shot
twenty more three pointers than two pointers in one quarter.
And also, like you and me, Dave, we strongly support
maybe the redefinition of the foul rules and the shooting
foul rules and helping the defense out a little bit more.

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And like there's stuff for seltic expansions, like the thunder shot.
So many free throws, it's like you shot sixty three threes,
right shot? What are you doing anyways? Dave? Thanks for
hanging out. Yeah, listeners, make sure you go join the
men's and women's Bracket Challenge if you want to, and
we will talk to you guys soon. So thanks for

(54:08):
listening everybody, and remember breakfast is the most important thing.