June 6, 2025 • 50 mins
Keith and Dave discuss game 1 of the NBA Finals, plus Like Mike, Thibs getting fired, the Magic's new uniforms, and a lot more.
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Episode 800 (S11 Ep. 25)
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Ah right, Welcome Too Fast Break Breakfast MBA podcast. My
name is Keith Parrish and I am here once again
with my buddy through the miracle of computer phone, talking
to me live from Oklahoma City. Dave de four are
(00:28):
covering the finals. Dave, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I would like to talk about the finals? This rules
man would Yeah. You know what's funny is like, Look,
I've been doing this a long time and I you know,
I'm pretty chill about what we do. It's fun, right,
Like I have a very fun job, but I'm mostly
chill about it. Yesterday I woke up probably about as
excited that I have this job as I've been in
my entire life. And then to have that game that night. Yeah,
(00:56):
And it was a long, long day for me, Keith,
And I was like up till three am. I woke
up at six am Central time yesterday to do like
an interview in the UK. Yeah, I was on a
podcast in the UK and just couldn't get back to
sleep like I was.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And you're you're a West coast man for the listener, Yeah,
six Central time, that's four for you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, And then.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Had to stay up and then it's how do you
come down from this moment?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Couldn't Why was that reliving it? Incrediblelod who we watched
it with, Man, it was it was a great I mean,
it was awesome day one of my one of my
best days in the job.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So that's awesome, and I'm so happy for you being
able to be at the finals covering it and what
an amazing game. We'll talk about it, but first day, Yeah,
have you seen the movie?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Like Mike, uh, that's with bow Wow, little bow Wow.
I believe I've seen it. Have you seen Was he
a little bow wow then? Or was he he.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Was very loud? Was he was?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He was?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Now? Bow wow?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
He know?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
He was very little? Okay back then, I hadn't seen it,
Dave until like a few weeks ago. Okay, it's pretty good.
I was a little bit more surprised. And it's not bad.
It's it's heartfelt, it's entertaining. I would say it's a
kid's movie, like I'd never seen it because when it
came out, I was a little bit too old. It
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wasn't for me, even if there wasn't the NBA angle.
But I gotta say impressive things about it. I'm gonna
tie this in a second. Impressive things about this NBA movie.
I mean they got a lot of NBA stars in there,
which is like, that's pretty cool, right, You had NBA
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stars allowing themselves to be embarrassed on camera by little
bow Wow, by a child. I mean, again, the movie's
pretty good. There is the initial there's a moment where
this child flies through the air and dunks the basketball,
and initially the fans in the crowd recoil in horror.
(02:57):
It's seeing something so unknown, natural, like it's it's like, oh,
this child can fly. But then they they like there's
like a slow clap and then they just get over.
They're like, oh, it's this kid can fly. It's no
big deal. But do you know who produced that movie?
The producer, one of the main one of the two
executive producers listed Adam Silver. Adam Silver, running NBA Entertainment
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twenty something years ago, gets this pretty solid movie made,
gets a bunch of stars to sign on. It's great.
Fast forward twenty something years the NBA Finals presented by
Adam Silver. Outside of the basketball dave a little bit underwhelming.
Now I know you were there in the arena.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Right, I Actually I have a take on this.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Because you take on this, I like it was noticeable.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
There's nothing.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
There's no pageantry, no starting lineups, no nothing. It was
just like we just started the game like normal. It's like,
what's what is this?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It was weird? Okay, So OKAC has some interesting stuff, right,
like there's a pregame prayer, there is a see we're
not putting that on ESPN, buddy, No, that's just not
gonna happen. And so I think that maybe that plays
into part of it. Also the obsession with their studio
show that nobody cares about. We actually care more about
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the pageantry of watching these players get introduced in there.
I mean, for most of them their first NBA Finals,
a lot of them the only one they'll ever be to,
like go to So I'm with you there, but I
mean we had that in the arena, but not at home,
and so like I wasn't watching. You know, sometimes I
will watch a broadcast while I'm in the arena. I
wanted to feel it. So I wasn't watching the broadcast,
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but I did, like during breaks, I checked social media
and there was a very good basketball game happening. And
it struck me as odd that the overwhelming amount of
conversation I saw was about the presentation and like, okay,
I understand, but it's like a one of ah man,
I wish they put the finals on the court. Meanwhile,
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the finals are actually on the court like they're playing.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But there's something about like, I know, you just want
like and I'm not you know, I'm not one who
who craves a national anthem. I'm more I'm more of
the why do you do the national anthem before every
single sporting event? This is preposterous, But still there's something
about watching the NBA Finals where you're like.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Let's get somebody didn't show the anthem.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
No, there's no anthem. There was nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
It was actually a very good anthem.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, I'm sure we're hosting the finals. We're gonna be
get somebody was a carry underwood.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
No, it was at some point somebody I don't know
who got a huge ovation.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You're gonna get, you gonna get a good anthem.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I don't just put this stuff in making making a presentation.
I will say YouTube TV, which was the sponsor, the
presenting sponsor for the finals. If you're watching on YouTube TV,
you weren't missing out on that Larry ode b Trophy
because the cursor, the little who was the Lario Brill Pause.
(05:58):
I get it. It's a Canada, says pay Common, huge
letters on the arena flores. I know you're not get
rid into that, but still all the ads and stuff,
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I know, I didn't. It struck me as odd when
I walked into the arena the other day and there
wasn't the big Larry O'Brien. Okay, fine, but not to
have the finals script.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Just finals on the court. And I think a lot
of people correctly pointed out the weirdness Adam Silver's gone
to such links to make the NBA Cup floors look crazy.
Say they're like, oh, this is something, whereas why why
wouldn't you at least have at least a big logo
NBA Fine, this is not It's funny.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
The finals are not like one a singular tent pole event,
which is and they don't market the finals like they're
trying to package the NBA Cup like. This is why
we keep hearing about oh, we're changing the All Star
Game because they see that as like their super Bowl.
This is why we have the NBA Cup. They want
stuff like this to sell and they maybe it's an
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assumption that people are just gonna watch the finals anyway regardless,
which yeah we are, but I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
We're we're going to get to the finals thing. You
just tease this the All Star Game tweak. Adam Silver
somewhat nonchalantly drops a new tweak, saying it's next year
it's going to be Team USA versus World. Are we voting?
Are we voting World versus? How many foks does Santielle
Doma need to get in?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Not many? I mean seriously, are we voting.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
East versus West and then splitting it? I'm so confused.
But ityways, Adam Silver had the Golden touch on like Mike,
I wish you would. I don't know, rediscover what that was.
Give me something makes it feel like it's awesome. Stop
messing with the All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I just East versus West is totally fine. That is
a game that no one is supposed to care about period.
It's supposed to be a fun thing for fans, and
it's supposed to be fun for the players. Like I
just make it fun. I would drop the game and
just do funning games the whole time, like Field Day
NBA Field day. Give me Russell Westbrook racing Lebron James
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ninety four feet, like, just let's have fun. Man, Forget
the I don't know, the world versus the US thing
is just so odd to me unless you're gonna import
talent from around the world to play I don't know
Team USA or something. I just I think that they
saw what the WNBA locked into during their Olympic year,
where they got here's our WNBA all stars who didn't
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make the Olympic team versus the Olympic team, Like that
was just gold for them. And it was actually a
great game because the folks that didn't make Team USA,
like they played with a chip on their shoulder. There
was an actual competition. But you're never gonna get that
with the NBA. Also, Team USA is like super loaded,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Also, also the the WNBA, it's it's it's Franklin apples
and oranges as they're the way that their league is
so small, Yeah, the talent pool is so compressed. And
then you have those things. There's all these other things
you're talking about where it's like you could get like
you could form a team that could compete with the
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other you know, your your all Star best team, right.
But anyways, Dave, the finals were amazing. Before we get
into some of that, and also there's other news. I mean,
we got we got Tom Thibodeau getting fired. We got
other things going down. Were you able to find your
oatmeal in Oklahoma City, Dave?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
On the road?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I know you like to I like you like to
bring your own uh, but yeah, did you go have
like a t bone some of the local cuisine.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
No, I'm pretty much eaten, like I don't know, a
thousand calories in the two days.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And there continent.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I had a ton of gummy bears last night at
the game, though. The gummy bears that Oklahoma City gummies.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Or something that good.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
They're like Albany's or whatever, like the albany are so fantastic. Yeah,
and they had Mike and Ikes. It was a pretty good.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They had Mike and Ikes.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, it was a good setup.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I gotta work harder, Dave, so I get to these
a fine. If I would have known, I don't do that.
The gold at the end of the rainbow was Mike
and Ikes and Albanese gummy bears. I would have I
would have actually tried harder in my life.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I just moved to Oklahoma City. Man, I really cover
the thunder. I struggle with food on the road, yeah,
and like everything is meat or eggs, right, and especially
here in the Midwest. But I did have sushi for
breakfast today, so I.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Had sushi too. I wasn't breakfast, it was lunch.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It was eleven.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So but all right, so let's jump ahead. No apologies,
sorry everyone, Haliburton comes through again?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Is it? Is it?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Honestly? Two rote At this point, I'm like queuing up
the highlights for my kids in the morning, and they
just rolled their eyes. Pacers are gonna win, you know.
I I turned, I turned the the like it's like
a YouTube has the what's the final three minutes? And
my kids are like, oh, they're down by nine. They
got this.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That was about That was about the time that I
had turned to Esparra Henny, yeah, who was next to me,
and I said, oh, the Pacers are winning this.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well it was I think when you're watching this at home,
and of course the stunning storyline beyond the heroics of
the end, the Pacers having nineteen turnovers in the first half,
just just what how do you do that? And everyone
you know, obviously identifying keys to the series. The thunder
force all these turnovers and they they're great at scoring
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off of the turnovers, and the the Pacers have been
good and not turning the ball over and they turn
over nineteen times in the first half. But it was
thirteen twelve point game something like that at halftime, and
you're still like, all right, I still even though I knew,
like you know, the Pacers are pretty happy to leave
me down this much, it still didn't feel like, all right,
they're definitely gonna do it. Because then I want to say,
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maybe for me, it was it was the first. It
was the first I think it was an AARONI Smith
three to go from nine to six or something. We're
at that point, I'm like, oh, I feel like they're
actually going to win this. Like I mean, the whole time,
I'm like excited, but I hadn't like set up fully
on my couch downstairs. And Aaron Nismith hit the one
to go to six, I'm like, here we go. Six
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point game with two and a half left is nothing.
It was thrilling. What was that like in Arena?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Okay, so number one I want to start just like
this is a great place to watch a basketball game
and the fans are super bought in. And we look.
Every person who's done media that's come to Okay see
or talked about it, has talked about how bought in
they are. The white out was awesome. This crowd is
super into these games. I mean they don't actually do
a lot of the little mini games during the game
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because the crowd is like chanting. They're singing together, like
the entire arena like that. During free throws they stand up,
and I mean the entire arena all the way up
to the walls standing during free throws. So the vibe
there is amazing. It's more like a euro League or
like a like a college atmosphere than what we're used
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to with an NBA arena, right, Like this is like a.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Real like a revival.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Sure, yeah, there's handling. Maybe I love it. Yeah. Well
it's say snake in the pick and roll. That's what
the but the you you know, uh Jalen Williams jub
gets that big dunk right, the steel in dunk right
yeah yeah, flexes.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And that also that that also sorry, that stealing dunk.
It was so crushing. This is like my wife's reading
her kindle doesn't really care that much. Yeah, to the
point where I actually set out loud like that was
crushing because it had come off of the Pacers missing
a lay up, like like like I think it was
a Mather and miss a layup and then they like
try to tap it in it what it bounds and
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then you throw the touchdown pass to the other team
the pick six, and they're like the first time I
spoke about the whole game where I was like that
was devastating.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Anyways, yeah, sorry ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, so after that, you know, the Pacers call the
time out and I'm thinking, oh, well up, and then
they hit a couple of shots. Yeah, and Denie Smith
hits that three to cut it to six. Nem Hart,
the nim Hard, the dribbling crossover the.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Tour. Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Rare to see a guy dribble that many times and
still take a shot, right, and he hits that and
then he comes down and tries it again and we're
you know, like like leaning, we're like trying, he's going
in and then comes up with this huge offense rebound
and put back the put back time out. And then
that's when the crowd was like.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Because that was the one point game at that point,
and then yeah, and the crowd before that. It was
one of those things where you have that communal terror
of like, hey, we're actually litting the slip away and
it's even.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Still cheering loud though they were they were in.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
There was so there's the back to back threes. I
believe after nim Hard hit that wild step back right
INT's face, you actually had the Dort block. It led
to the tough Shay layup, and for me, I was like, oh,
was that the momentum? Was that it right there? Because
an amazing difference of play by door. I mean, Dort
had a game all right, Dort made all those threes,
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made that stop right there, but also just in the
most humiliating fashion, just kept throwing himself on the ground.
This goes back to a thing I used to joke
about where it's like, you should have a limit the
number of times you hit the ground in an NBA game.
This is like the Dwayne Wade fall down five stand
up whatever. It was like. It was like, but Dwayne
would throw himself on the ground to get calls, and
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then we have like the oh that wouldn't work because
embiid falls to save his body from injury. He's like,
I don't know, Dort fell down ten times in that
basketball game, and to my eye, if he needed to
didn't have to fall down once. He voluntarily fell down
at least ten times in that game, to the point
you're like, I can't with this screen, Dort, He's going down.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah. Yeah, the shot come from the book depository building.
Is how it looks when when he goes to the
screen right right, so you know, and then Shae comes down.
This is this is it. This was really when the
crowd started to feel like it was happening, right, Shane
misses that shot? Yeah, Pacers go.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I didn't think Haliburton. I thought Haliburton was looking to
pass and Cason Wallace sits on his sits on his
left hand to block the drive. But he's he's sagging
back just enough, and I think Haliburton is looking at
the clock when he's going up to make a jump
pass and winds up with the shot. And it's not
a shot that Halliburton takes right like now again now
watching it in real time, like that's what I was thinking,
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right right, watch the back. I think he was looking
for that shot, but that is not a shot that
anyone takes. That's that's not a typical mid range zone
at all, much less. Haliburton shot right, and he hadn't
really had a great game scoring the ball like at all.
He wasn't like he was shooting the lights out. Nope,
fourteen points for the game, and then he pulls up
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and you knew it was going in when he took
the shot, Keith, I just knew it. And imagine the
air left that building like someone took a knee needle
and popped it. It was just instantly gone. Dead point
three seconds is all they led in the entire game.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I know that that part's amazing, Like that's it's just
unbelievable to not have the lead at any point. And
now you have all these clutch stats. I'm sure if
you've been on social media, I've seen a lot of them, like, yeah,
now Halliburton four for four on shots to take the
lead or go or to tie or to take the
lead in the final two seconds.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I was gonna say six out of seven in the
last like in shots to tire or take the lead
in the last minute of the game in the playoffs,
that's for the whole.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, and so this this postseason, all other players are
one for thirteen in that situation with the final two
seconds to tire take the lead, and Haliburton is now
four for four. You have another fifteen point comeback for
the Pacers this postseason. They've done that more time than
any team ever in a single postseason. They were down
by nine in the final three minutes. It's the biggest
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comeback in the final three minutes of the finals in
the play by play era. You also have this, they
were minus eighteen in turnovers, and this is the first
playoff game anyone's ever won with that big of a
of a negative turnover different.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I have to dig into the tape on this. I
have to dig it into the tape because I haven't
had time to rewatch or anything. I want to know
if I mean, I definitely was part of the game plan.
But if you notice that the Pacers were getting back,
they were not aggressively trying to get offensive rebounds. I mean,
Pascal Siakam winds up with four of them or something,
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But part of that was just because he was coming
in cutting from the dunker and just happened to get
a few some tipouts. But there was like there was
a shot in the fourth quarter where I thought, man,
the Pacers should have gotten the rebound, but they let
it go to stop transition. This is one of the
amazing little turn of events here is that I think
Carlisles figured out a way, Hey we turned the ball over,
We're gonna turn the ball over against him. We've just
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got to stop them from getting laid ups off that.
And they did an amazing job. I mean, at one
point it was I think the they had had sixteen
live ball turnovers. The Thunder received sixteen live ball turnovers
and they had scored one time on it. It was
like a point three to one points per possession on that,
which is unheard of. Because again, you know the keys
of the series that everyone knew coming. In every single
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NBA podcast, we're all saying the same stuff because by
the time you get to the finals, we kind of
all know the same things. Pacers have to cut down
their turnovers because the Thunder that's twenty percent of their offense.
They get twenty percent of their points off turnovers. Never
occurred to me, Okay, look, you know what, we're going
to turn the ball over. They are not scoring on turnovers.
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It's such a it's a little bit of like, I
don't know. I mean, you don't want to do that, right,
you don't want to turn the ball over. Sure, if
you're going to, okay, that's the way to do it.
But still, if the Pacers don't shoot the lights out
compared to the Thunder, Thunder could not shoot, They couldn't
shoot inside, especially like they couldn't score around the basket.
Miles Turner is going to get overlooked for his contributions
in this game. That guy's defense was excellent. He only
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had three blocks, but he was changing shots. He was
just big down there, Like he really showed up. I thought,
I thought huge. But the Pacers have shot like this
during the playoffs, Like I'm not surprised they were able
to do that. I don't know. Still it's amazing, Like
like I'm sitting here just kind of like reliving in him.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It was still amazing. And I think it will be
worth monitoring to see how replicable the uh turn it over.
But don't give up points off those turnovers.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
That actually is they found something though, and I mean
this is something I think they already had. But if
you look in the second half, right, they only turned
over like four times. Nemhart Andrew Nedmhart bringing the ball
up having they were starting with Halliburton in the corner.
So like the first half of that game, the way
that the Thunder were guarding Halliburton, they were actually Dort
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was not guarding him directly. Most of the time. They
were having Dort pre switch on to whoever was coming
up to set the screen for Halliburton so that they
were able to throw Dort on him in the screen.
Or it was a lot of Dort in case Wallace
working together there. So like you you know, whichever way
you go off the screen, you've got a defender there,
right Like, so they were switching, but pre switching to
get dorta and the way that Carlisle counteracted that in
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the second half, Halliburton not on the ball, you're not
on the ball. He averaged two and a half dribbles
of possession or something, right Nemhart, I think it was
around four. TJ. McConnell was around four. That was the
key to the second half. Nemhart has a very tight handle.
He also doesn't turn the ball over a lot and
get you get that pressure off Halliburton and still the
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defense has to pay attention to Halliburton has some gravity,
yeah for this Oklahoma City Thunder team, right, like they're
constantly paying attention to him, but Nemhart bringing the ball up.
I actually I would love to see Pascal bringing up
a little bit more in Game two because I just
think anything to get get Halliburton down the court, get
him on the move coming off of like a pin
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down or something, and that way you're at least putting
the Thunder, making the Thunder do more switching before he
even touches the ball, rather than allow him to switch
while he's got the ball in his hands. I thought
that that was an excellent adjustment. I mean, Rick Carlisle
is such a good coach, right, and he's been doing
this for so long. He's seen pretty much everything, but
even that little just making that little tweak. Hey, you're
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not gonna bring the ball up. We're gonna have these
other guys bring the ball up. Take the pressure off
of him. I don't know. It was a great move,
and it the turnover thing. A lot of this was
Miles Turner would catch the ball. Yeah, yeah, they would
swarm him, you know. Obi Toppen actually had a few
turnovers early, and it was that swarming defense and just
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the amount of physicality that.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The Beefs fourth quarter man just coming through. What a guy,
What a hero, What a hero.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He's their fastball man. Like he comes off the bench
and it's like he's running five miles an hour faster
than everybody on the court.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
So one of the interesting things from the Thunder angle
is that they swapped up their starting lineup. They played
single big most of the time, and it was working,
and you're like, oh, we're forcing all these turnovers. It
makes more sense to slow down the Pacers. This way,
we match up better doing this. But then you get
to the end of the game and it's like, well,
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you you didn't actually make shots, you had that whatever
the was it the second quarter where the Pacers had
ten turnovers and like the Thunder only won by three points,
And it's like, you know, you want up a twenty
to twenty five with ten turnovers to one or something.
But then you get to the end of the game
and you get another miracle quote unquote miracle come back
from the Pacers. They've basically patented it this offseason, this postseason.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But ropo dope, man.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
But then you look at the Thunder's decision, You're like, well,
Hartenstein barely played home runs, like had six and six,
And it's like and you got dominated on the glass
and it's like, oh, did you are out smart yourself
or I don't know, I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well, here's the thing, Keith. Yeah, we talk about playoff
adjustments all the time, and Dagnall makes the first adjustment
before you even play a game. That may I mean,
I'll say this before the game. I'm thinking, Okay, yeah,
I like this move. I understand this move. I see
what they're trying to do. More ball pressure, more switchability, right,
like it was all about Halliburton, So I understand the move.
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I just think you go through game one at least
start with what got you there instead of kind of
changing your rotations a little bit. And Hartenstein was awesome
off the bench nine to nine seventeen minutes. I mean
there were plus two in the Hartenstein minutes for whatever
single game plus minus is worth to you. You know,
they won those minutes Chet though, I mean, they won
the Chet minutes. He was just awful. They won it
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in spite of him. You know, he puts the ball
on the deck one time he only takes one to
three right, so he's no threat to score at all.
The one time he does put the ball on the deck,
he winds up with some free throws. But I actually
thought that this was a series. If you're going to
play small. One of the big things they could do
with that five out is if they're guarding you with
Miles Turner. If they're guardening chat with Miles Turner, okay, cool,
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when when Miles Turner comes out to close out, you're
cutting into the basket. But Drew, also, you've got Miles
Turner out of the paint. They didn't do that. They
didn't guard him with with Miles Turner. So I thought, well,
Chet's gotta get shots up, period. Chet needs to take
five six threes a game maybe if he's gonna be
out out there, because they need that floor spacing to
open up the paint. You know a lot of people
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were asking me during the game last night, hey, how
come the Pacers aren't sending two to Shay? How come
they're not trapping Shay? And now, in hindsight, I'm thinking, well,
Shae puts up thirty shots to score thirty eight points. Yeah,
we find we saw the Pacers do this to Donovan Mitchell. Hey,
you're gonna beat us. Your other guys were not worried
about you're gonna beat us. Good luck.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I don't know if you saw this stat. Zach Kram
pulled it out that the Thunder through the fewest passes
for any team in any game this season.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, and then I mean in NBA Finals history.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, if you pay that, just it. It's one of
the fewest amount of passes in a game. And yeah,
they don't they don't get assists, the balls not whipping
around a lot of some of that could be the
turnover stuff where you get a shot. When you get
a turnover, then maybe it's that one guy taking it
down trying to get a shot. But that's just an interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Well, there's a lot of transition possessions I think the
Thunder would love to have back. Like I'm thinking about
one where Caruso actually just like draws a charge, right, Yeah,
Caruso commits a charge around the basket and meanwhile, like
there were two defenders down there in front of them.
I don't know why he didn't pull up and actually
just run a possession. But that's the thing where you know,
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maybe the Thunder don't trust their half court offense as much,
which we've seen this year. Like that's the if you
were going to point to something that they struggled at,
it's half court offense, Like they don't. They don't have
this dynamic thing. You know, it's a lot of shay,
you know, dribble drive, like come off a screen, see
if you can get into the paint. You know, he
loves that mid range cheat he hit a bunch of
But their offense isn't this dynamic system, which I'd say
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the Pacers have a much better offensive system than the
Thunder do, especially in a half court but I don't know.
I mean, look, the Pacers played an awful first half
in an amazing second half. That's That's all you can say,
really is it was a tail of tea.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's so funny when we compliment these things and we
poke holes in like a Thunder game plan and we're like, oh,
you know when Jaylen Williams isn't shooting very well that
they kind of struggle. It's so funny. We do this
for games where it's like and they led to the
entire game, they led the whole and it's like the Pacers.
We write these stories about them, and it's like against
the game, win against the Knicks. If that ball doesn't go,
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if we don't see comebacks that we've never seen before,
none of these Carlisle adjustments mean anything.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
The best thing about the best thing about it is
like we spent like a week saying, how do the
Pacers possibly win? The Pacers. If you told me that
we're going to take one of the first two games
in Oklahoma City, I'd say that this is going seven. Now,
I had thunder and six just because like, look, that's
what the numbers say. They're eighty and nineteen now on
the season, like they win games like this is a
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but the Pacers just said they're they're they're a junk
ball pitcher. They're a knuckleballer. It's like Tim Wakefield of basketball.
Just it's they're weirdos. Now.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I can't get over this number. The Pacers are thirteen
and oher in the playoffs if they make more than
one third of their three pointers. And I know there's
like four miracle victories in that, but still, it's like
they haven't lost this postseason. Wouldn't they make more than
a third of their threes, So incredible stuff from the Pacers.
There's such a fun team. And now we'll see, I
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mean the thunder dropped the game one to the to
the Nuggets. We'll see what happens if the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Can up eerily similar to that that game one loss
to the Nuggets. So uh yeah, they probably have some
nightmares today.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, let's take a break, Dave, and then we'll come back.
Let's send some of the other NBA storylines, non Finals related,
and also do the awards segment of the program. All right,
real quick, Dave, since we know you're in Okay, see
with things to do. A couple of news items.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
There's like, there's an old grain, Is there a shoot
around or anything?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
What are you supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
There's apparently a pickup game tonight, but the old Keith
and the last time I played basketball, I tore my cat.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The Knicks fired Tom Thibodeau. Woh, yeah, it's nice to
break that news to you.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
No, I forgot your reaction was, No, I haven't talked
about Tom Thibodeau since he got fired. Basically, there are
some talks he did not fire him. There are talks.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Today about Jason Kidd being a serious candidate for this.
Jason Kidd getting out of the Mavericks situation is incredible.
He's not that bad of a coach, honestly, like that
much though. I mean, he's got a decent track record.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Sure, yeah, I don't I don't know that he's I
don't know that. I'm not gonna say he's a better
coach than Tom Thibodeaux. I think Tom Thibodeau is such
an amazing floor raizer for your team. But I don't know.
Jason Kidd is he's made of finals as a coach.
He's had some very interesting things that he's done, like
as a as a basketball coach, where you're like, oh, okay,
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this guy is thinking outside the box. And I think
that that's what the Knicks are looking for. Obviously he's
got the history. There is he a.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
CIA client though, that's I think, yes, the most important thing,
the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Obviously, I'm more interested in I'll be honest, I'm more
interested in where Tom Thibodeau winds up than who winds
up the next k next coach.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
There you go, because the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Have moves to make. In my opinion, like I think
that whoever their coaches. Well, okay, let's see what the
roster is going to be like for them. That's more interesting,
Like what are they gonna do with Michael Bridges? Who
is a weird fit for them?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Straight up?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Back to for Kevin said that for Kevin Durant. But
you got to add stuff, you know what I mean? Like, uh,
the Simons, Sorry, Bodo, though, I'd like to see him
wind up somewhere, like I wish he could get like
the Atlanta Hawks job, Like, could could we get him
in Atlanta and let him be a floor? Can they
be the sixth? Quinn Snyder gonna go, I don't know,
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somewhere else? Send him Charlotte? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
The son said they don't want Bradley Beal to come back.
That's been reported. How what what? What are their plans there? Trying?
Are they trying to get Bradley build to retire? Like
what do you? What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I don't is Bradley Beal not already retired? I mean
he he lives in Phoenix, he plays basketball for the
scree Last year's Great Life. Why would you if you're
Bradley Beal unless you're gonna go to like a championship contender,
which probably not. Yeah, why would you leave? You know?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
The Sons did hire a coach, Dave. They hired Jordan Ott,
who was an assistant coach on the Cavaliers. The Sons
narrowed their coaching search down to two assistant coaches on
Dan Gilbert's Cavaliers. Dan Gilbert and Matt Ishbia. The Sun's owner,
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are rivals, real estate rivals. Quite obviously the guy they
chose Ott worked at Michigan State. So now the entire
Sun's organization basically has Michigan State connections. The the GM,
the owner, the other president of basketball ops guy they hired.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I literally do not know who the GM is it name.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
He was a coach while Ishbio was at Michigan State.
I want to know now that they're loading, they're making
this all Michigan State team, I mean, are they? Are
they not going to make these extreme offers for Draymond
Green and Jaron Jackson Junior? Could we not get Devin?
Could the Grizzlies trade Jared for Devin Booker? I mean,
what isn't that their dream that they could Durant for
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Draymond Green, then Booker for Jaron I don't know what
till out there.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
They can't trade Booker, they can't try. The thing is, though,
this coach. You know, you're hiring a first time coach. Yeah,
it feels like, okay, what are you gonna do? A rebuild?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
This is gonna be Devin Booker's seventh non interim coach.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
He should ask for a trade. Second ever, say that.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Keith, seven full time coaches in your tenure on one team.
That's incredible. The Jazz hired Danny Aingel's son.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
How do you get the job?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
He's the best candidate available?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Mm hmmm mm hm.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
He runs on that man. Incredible stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I mean, hey, if you guys ever get a chance,
go to a team site, just roll through, like who's
working in social media? Who the scouts are are? You know?
I mean it's a it's a bunch of names, you know.
We'll just say that.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, it's like, wait, that last name sounds familiar. Let's
answer our listener submitted question, Dave, this is the croissant question.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Ah, any questions?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yes? Are you going to finish that quissant?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Knock yourself out?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Magnus wants to know the question. Master Magnus wants to know,
what's your take on this circle logo Turkey Bacon conspiracy,
and then he links a Reddit post, Dave, here's the
conspiracy about the circle logos in the NBA quote, it's
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it seems clear the league is pushing teams towards uniformity
in logo shape and dimensions. I think this is a
response to the Magic having new jerseys and a new logo,
and instead of it being like a little rectangle Magic
thing is now just the same circle that everyone else
is doing circle logo. All right, So it seems clear
that the league is pushing teams towards uniformity in logo
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shape and dimensions so that the team logo can go
where the ad patch is currently when the ads take
over the large team name area across the chest. Dave,
what are your what are your thoughts on this constitution?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
The NBA loves money, so I there might be something
to this. You know, obviously everybody's familiar with what international
jerseys look like.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Like.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, you know, if you watch you know, any euro League,
it's good luck telling me what team is playing, right.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, see like it looks like Spotify is playing right.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Playing Yeah, that that's coming here, you know, the NBA
would love to have their jerseys look like NASCAR. It's
why you don't have the Larry O'Brien patch on the
jersey in the finals.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I will say they want to this. This smells right.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
It does smell right when you look.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
At how there used to be a bunch of different
shapes and sizes when it when it came to team logos,
and now everything looks like an s B Nation blog.
It's all just a circle that goes on your Twitter
avatar space. Yeah, that smells right. That's good.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It does smell right. That's it. That is that is
a conspiracy theory. That sounds like they were sitting in
on a zoom call.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
What are the Grizzlies going to do when they don't
have a jersey sponsor? Just have a big blank space,
a big blank space on their chest.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You don't think they can get a sponsor.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
They they didn't have one for a while. Clutch finally
hooked them up with Robin Hood this year.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I mean, come on, look, we just gotta get let's
get some casino sponsor.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
To get those wealth Wealth sovereign funds.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
And here the Dallas Maverick fan duels is what's coming right,
the Los Angeles Draft Kings. I can't wait. It's gonna
be great. You know, it's gonna be as much like
NASCAR as we can make this. Let's just uh, just
ring as much cash as we can out of every
single thing. Yeah, but yeah, that tracks. That's a great call.
I actually had. You know what's funny, I haven't seen
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the magical logo. The new one. I haven't even seen.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
It is not that different. I mean they're new, they're
new jerseys. I will say it's they're obviously nineties throwbacks.
I like. I like the fact baseline they look like
basketball jerseys. Yes they don't. They don't look overly weird.
I like that one's one's white and one's blue black.
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I think the other one the blacks and blue one together.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, they were trying to get warm up warm.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
They're trying to replicate the old Shack warm ups. It's fine.
The fonts, I don't. I think the faun is pretty dull,
but at the very least, it's a white jersey and
a blue jersey, and to me, that passes the muster of.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I wear the blue jersey at home.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
You're right, right, But yeah, the rest of it it's like,
all right, I don't get too excited about all these
things anyways. Uh, Magnus, thank you for great question.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Thanks for putting that on my radar. I wouldn't have
seen it. It was on the reddit.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yes, there's no time for the awards segment of the program,
the International stack House of Pancakes Award given to the
worst performance in a box score. This is for the
last week. Don't have that many games. Had a full
five days off of basketball. I watched so many good movies,
like Mike not one of the ones I watched in
the last week.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
What's the best movie you watched?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well, oh man, what's the name of that war? Oh? Now,
yall look it up. It just slip my mind. I
rewatch The Sweet Smell of Success, which I love. It's
so good. I watched that for the first time this year.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
No.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I watched this movie from after World War Two. It
was real. I might have talked about it before, actually,
but that was further back.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I watched Sinners a couple of days ago. I really
like Sinners. That's a new movie. I was into that.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I watched The Train, which was incredible. It's a Bert
Lancaster movie. From like the late sixties. They crash so
many trains in this movie, like actual trains.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Did you look up with the budget?
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It was great. They blew they blew up a train
yard in this movie, like I'm telling you this like
late sixties, and there's like these like Burt Lancaster is
like pouring a I don't know what it is. He's
like pour in a silver mold and he's actually making
like some kind of thing that goes on the train,
like the whole it's like one shot. It's not these
fake smell Yeah, it's not these fake cutting together things
they do now. And all the Netflix originals words like, oh,
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that was a twenty minute one shot. No, it wasn't.
These were actual like long it was. It was kind
of amazing. No. The Best Years of Our Lives was
a movie from the forties. It's like depressing and it's
all about soldiers returning home for World War Two and
how the world has irreparably changed and it's really socially
conscious and it's one of those where you're like this
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was a big movie released in the forties, like this
is really I don't know, like never seen talking about
how soldiers like their lives are ruined, and there's just
like rich people who are like clearly like the movie
is like being like these people stink. It was like, okaymazing.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Movies used to do this, Keith like, come on, I mean,
it's a wonderful life. The whole thing is that this
real estate.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Well then you but then you had. I can't remember
who it was, you know, you had. I can't remember
what it was called. Like the initially, I feel like
the MPAA their job was to make sure that workers
and the common man were not over represented in movies
because they were trying to fight communism. Their goal was
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like no, no, the rich people need to do the heroes right.
And so it was like all these subversive like oh
they made a carpenter of the hero in this one.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Well, I mean all the eighties movies it was like corporate.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
See that was the movie The Train. It's like Burt
Lancaster is a guy who knows to do so with
his hands. He's like he's like screw. There's these long
takes of him like unscrewing things where it's like and
he's sabotaging. It was great. Anyways, sounds like a channel. Sorry,
this is the International sack House of Pancakes Award.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
David, I gotta see this movie now for the You.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Should check it out some Prime video, uh for free
if you're a subscriber. Honorable mention in the last week,
Nikale Alexander Walker in the Game five beat Down, he
was oh for eight. Are three nominees worst shooting performances
in the last week. Also same game, his teammate Jada
McDaniels two for thirteen, had five points, five rebounds, one assist,
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one turn every, one personal foul, ogn and Obi in
a Game five win over the Pacers he was three
for fourteen eleven points, four rebounds, three seals, one turnover,
two personal fouls. And then Jalen Williams in Game one
of the Finals six for nineteen seventeen points, six assists,
four rebounds, no turnovers, four personal fouls. So we got
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Jada McDaniels two for thirteen, five points, five boards, og
Anobi three for fourteen, eleven points, four boards, Jalen Williams
six for nineteen seventeen points, six assists.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I think I go, Jayden.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
That's probably Jada mc daniels. The thing is the worst
game there.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Jayden elimination game. You know, he's hit or missed right, Like,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
He's so hitter, he's so he's the guy. He's one
of those guys where when you see him on his
best days, you're like, is that guy one of the
best players in the NBA?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
The number two? Right?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh wow?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
J they're basically yeah, yeah, they they look the timberlves
always look unstoppable when jadaminals has good games, but then
he has the five point games kind of a lot. Jalen, So,
congratulations Jade McDaniels on winning this week's award. Jalen Williams, Now,
he's putting together a handful. He's got like five just
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true abominations in this playoff.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
You know, like I don't think Game one was an abomination,
a full abomination.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, Like I'm saying, he's putting together some like five
for twenties, three for sixteen years. Yeah, he's had several
of these, which is keeping him from being that maybe
the true Scottie Pippen to Shaddy. You know, I know,
I know he's putting together the awards this year, but
I mean, yeah, it's still earn his career.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I mean, honestly, though, A little bit like Scotty Pippen
to be honest with you, ye, because Scotty wasn't exactly
the greatest shooter score right, okay, but.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
He was also great also.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yes, anyways, my dog's name is Pip.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
There you go. Uh. Last thing, going back to the
stern Commerce Finals, Siakam won the MVP of thetern Cremerce
Finals over Haliburton, You think, rightfully, I'm yeah. I mean
like Sakam was great six game series, I feel I
fall more. First of all, I do like the fact
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that there was no time to get a consensus. I
like that we had a five to four vote. I
liked that it was nine people and it was kind
of random. Yeah, I thought on this was I feel
like part of it it seemed a little shocking to me.
Siakam more consistent stats, had some big games. But then
part of me goes to like the whole like maybe
it's just the quarterback thing in football where it's like
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it seemed like I and also I think about just
the play, like the shot they win in even if
it was Nie Smith who set up Game one. But
then I was wondering when we do these like finals
MVP or when we do if we do an MVP
for a single series, should we just throw out the
losses because like, because like Haliburton's stats in the four wins,
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we're talking twenty five points in third Genus is the game,
So like, that's MVP. Who cares if he was terrible
in the law, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, for me, it's the fact that guards. I mean,
and he really guarded in that series. He gave Karl
Anthony Towns everything he handled, Like Towns had like what
one maybe two good quarters in the whole series. Yeah,
I mean, I Pascal Siakam is an underrated player. He's great,
completely underrated.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
But it's so funny because literally last week I was like,
we don't talk enough about and then he wins Eastern
Conference Finals MVP, and I'm like, maybe too.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Much started calling him the cooler. Doesn't it feel like
he hits a big shot every single time.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
He makes one man?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, and he should. The thing is he does it quietly,
which is why he's even easy to overlook. But I mean,
and then down the stretch he allows them the flexibility
to bring in Obi Topping to close the game because
it's like, Okay, well we know we've got who can
guard anybody like anybody inside. He can give us rim protection,
he's going to rebound all these other things. Yeah, excellent player.
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And that that trade for Sam is why they made
so good a conference finals last year. It's why they're
in the finals this year. And he really like kind
of completes that team with his with his flexibility is
a Swiss army knife, like he's.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
He's a player also speaking of Siakam and topping and
all that. And so now now the Thunder gonna try
to bounce back and we hopefully we have a good
series on our hand. Unboievable Game one. I think that
the one thing that I'm I remain so impressed by
these teams is how they have They have guys who
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are going to be in the court at all times
and both of them, you know, yeah maybe two where
you're like always it's always going to be Shay and
it's always going to be j Dubb and it is
probably gonna be Dort, but then there's some wiggle room
on who else. And and same with the Pacers where
it's like Miles Turner is not closing games and like
a home grend In Hargsteing and didn't close the last game,
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and so like, I'm impressed just overall with the willingness
of the teams, of the coaches, of the of the
buy in to be like there is was versatility on
the lineups. The players that that that like won't be
out there. You won't have you know, guys you think
of as being near all stars out there.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I was shocked when Miles Turner got benched, well not bench,
he didn't get benched when they subbed in Obie for
for Miles Turner to close the game. Because Miles Turner,
like his defense, his rebounding member, he hits the big
step back three. He really like was a part of
that comeback there at the end. I mean, it was
a team effort by the Pacers. This is this is
the big thing that's that will get overlooked. They had
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six guys in double figures, but nobody with twenty points.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
That's that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's I've been saying this quite
quite a bit about the Pacers team. They have like
an an offense that's built on anarchy. It's a bureaucracy
almost of offense. Anybody can do anything. Nemhart shooting mid
Rangers Neie Smith. His ability to put the ball on
the floor and get to the basket is actually, you know,
it's three dribbles for him, but he can do it,
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and he's such a threat to shoot. Now they're they're
really fun, man, it's a fun and it is like that.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
There are stretches where it's like TJ McConnell, bail us out,
just teach go cook for the.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Of the game. Before the game, I'm like, how is
TJ McConnell going to play against the thunder? There's no
excuse me, no way. He can't shoot threes, he's so small.
And then he just dribbles into the paint and he
was like he hadn't what nine points or something? Is
there a leading scorer or time for leading scorer at
halftime or something? And this is the thing about the
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Spacers team. My hope is that the takeaway from the
finals is like everyone else like watching this playoffs like
you need ten twelve guys. You know you need ten
or twelve guys get through the regular season. You need
a nine man rotation in the playoffs. Now, team building
is going to change then.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
And then you beyond that, you need seven guys who
you might be down with closing with or something right,
depending on the circumstance.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
On what's happening, you have to be able to match
what the other team's gonna do. And in a lot
of ways, the Thunder going small worked against them because
Obie Topping was so awesome right right right?
Speaker 3 (49:11):
I mean, they they went small, and then they didn't
score the last two minutes.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
And this is one of my favorite basketball games ever. Keith, like, honestly,
like you, I really am. I can't shake it. Yeah again,
I was not. I'm not like too cool for school guy,
that's not my thing. But I am pretty chill and
I was pretty chill, like I flew out here, you know,
you run into everybody.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Hey, what's up, buddy, You're like a guy who saw
his first Broadway play.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I feel like it. Yeah, I feel like it. And
I can't even count how many basketball games I've just
watched in the last month. And man, it was. It
was amazing. I just I loved every single piece of it.
The fact that the Thunder played eleven guys in the
first half actually kind of rules. Like aj Mitchell got
minutes in the final Where'd that come from? Yah?
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Well awesome. I'm I'm excited for you, Dave, and hopefully
you'll get another good game too on Sunday. Hopefully it'll
be just as exhilarating.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Anyway, we should do this again Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, we'll see. You might need a break, man, We'll see. Anyways,
Thanks everybody for hanging out with us. Thanks everybody over
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Ah right, Welcome Too Fast Break Breakfast MBA podcast. My
name is Keith Parrish and I am here once again
with my buddy through the miracle of computer phone, talking
to me live from Oklahoma City. Dave de four are
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covering the finals. Dave, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I would like to talk about the finals? This rules
man would Yeah. You know what's funny is like, Look,
I've been doing this a long time and I you know,
I'm pretty chill about what we do. It's fun, right,
Like I have a very fun job, but I'm mostly
chill about it. Yesterday I woke up probably about as
excited that I have this job as I've been in
my entire life. And then to have that game that night. Yeah,
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And it was a long, long day for me, Keith,
And I was like up till three am. I woke
up at six am Central time yesterday to do like
an interview in the UK. Yeah, I was on a
podcast in the UK and just couldn't get back to
sleep like I was.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And you're you're a West coast man for the listener, Yeah,
six Central time, that's four for you.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, And then.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Had to stay up and then it's how do you
come down from this moment?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Couldn't Why was that reliving it? Incrediblelod who we watched
it with, Man, it was it was a great I mean,
it was awesome day one of my one of my
best days in the job.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
So that's awesome, and I'm so happy for you being
able to be at the finals covering it and what
an amazing game. We'll talk about it, but first day, Yeah,
have you seen the movie?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Like Mike, uh, that's with bow Wow, little bow Wow.
I believe I've seen it. Have you seen Was he
a little bow wow then? Or was he he.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Was very loud? Was he was?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
He was?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Now? Bow wow?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
He know?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
He was very little? Okay back then, I hadn't seen it,
Dave until like a few weeks ago. Okay, it's pretty good.
I was a little bit more surprised. And it's not bad.
It's it's heartfelt, it's entertaining. I would say it's a
kid's movie, like I'd never seen it because when it
came out, I was a little bit too old. It
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wasn't for me, even if there wasn't the NBA angle.
But I gotta say impressive things about it. I'm gonna
tie this in a second. Impressive things about this NBA movie.
I mean they got a lot of NBA stars in there,
which is like, that's pretty cool, right, You had NBA
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stars allowing themselves to be embarrassed on camera by little
bow Wow, by a child. I mean, again, the movie's
pretty good. There is the initial there's a moment where
this child flies through the air and dunks the basketball,
and initially the fans in the crowd recoil in horror.
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It's seeing something so unknown, natural, like it's it's like, oh,
this child can fly. But then they they like there's
like a slow clap and then they just get over.
They're like, oh, it's this kid can fly. It's no
big deal. But do you know who produced that movie?
The producer, one of the main one of the two
executive producers listed Adam Silver. Adam Silver, running NBA Entertainment
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twenty something years ago, gets this pretty solid movie made,
gets a bunch of stars to sign on. It's great.
Fast forward twenty something years the NBA Finals presented by
Adam Silver. Outside of the basketball dave a little bit underwhelming.
Now I know you were there in the arena.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Right, I Actually I have a take on this.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Because you take on this, I like it was noticeable.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
There's nothing.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
There's no pageantry, no starting lineups, no nothing. It was
just like we just started the game like normal. It's like,
what's what is this?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It was weird? Okay, So OKAC has some interesting stuff, right,
like there's a pregame prayer, there is a see we're
not putting that on ESPN, buddy, No, that's just not
gonna happen. And so I think that maybe that plays
into part of it. Also the obsession with their studio
show that nobody cares about. We actually care more about
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the pageantry of watching these players get introduced in there.
I mean, for most of them their first NBA Finals,
a lot of them the only one they'll ever be to,
like go to So I'm with you there, but I
mean we had that in the arena, but not at home,
and so like I wasn't watching. You know, sometimes I
will watch a broadcast while I'm in the arena. I
wanted to feel it. So I wasn't watching the broadcast,
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but I did, like during breaks, I checked social media
and there was a very good basketball game happening. And
it struck me as odd that the overwhelming amount of
conversation I saw was about the presentation and like, okay,
I understand, but it's like a one of ah man,
I wish they put the finals on the court. Meanwhile,
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the finals are actually on the court like they're playing.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
But there's something about like, I know, you just want
like and I'm not you know, I'm not one who
who craves a national anthem. I'm more I'm more of
the why do you do the national anthem before every
single sporting event? This is preposterous, But still there's something
about watching the NBA Finals where you're like.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Let's get somebody didn't show the anthem.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
No, there's no anthem. There was nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
It was actually a very good anthem.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, I'm sure we're hosting the finals. We're gonna be
get somebody was a carry underwood.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
No, it was at some point somebody I don't know
who got a huge ovation.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You're gonna get, you gonna get a good anthem.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I don't just put this stuff in making making a presentation.
I will say YouTube TV, which was the sponsor, the
presenting sponsor for the finals. If you're watching on YouTube TV,
you weren't missing out on that Larry ode b Trophy
because the cursor, the little who was the Lario Brill Pause.
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I get it. It's a Canada, says pay Common, huge
letters on the arena flores. I know you're not get
rid into that, but still all the ads and stuff,
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I know, I didn't. It struck me as odd when
I walked into the arena the other day and there
wasn't the big Larry O'Brien. Okay, fine, but not to
have the finals script.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Just finals on the court. And I think a lot
of people correctly pointed out the weirdness Adam Silver's gone
to such links to make the NBA Cup floors look crazy.
Say they're like, oh, this is something, whereas why why
wouldn't you at least have at least a big logo
NBA Fine, this is not It's funny.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
The finals are not like one a singular tent pole event,
which is and they don't market the finals like they're
trying to package the NBA Cup like. This is why
we keep hearing about oh, we're changing the All Star
Game because they see that as like their super Bowl.
This is why we have the NBA Cup. They want
stuff like this to sell and they maybe it's an
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assumption that people are just gonna watch the finals anyway regardless,
which yeah we are, but I mean.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
We're we're going to get to the finals thing. You
just tease this the All Star Game tweak. Adam Silver
somewhat nonchalantly drops a new tweak, saying it's next year
it's going to be Team USA versus World. Are we voting?
Are we voting World versus? How many foks does Santielle
Doma need to get in?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Not many? I mean seriously, are we voting.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
East versus West and then splitting it? I'm so confused.
But ityways, Adam Silver had the Golden touch on like Mike,
I wish you would. I don't know, rediscover what that was.
Give me something makes it feel like it's awesome. Stop
messing with the All Star Game.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I just East versus West is totally fine. That is
a game that no one is supposed to care about period.
It's supposed to be a fun thing for fans, and
it's supposed to be fun for the players. Like I
just make it fun. I would drop the game and
just do funning games the whole time, like Field Day
NBA Field day. Give me Russell Westbrook racing Lebron James
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ninety four feet, like, just let's have fun. Man, Forget
the I don't know, the world versus the US thing
is just so odd to me unless you're gonna import
talent from around the world to play I don't know
Team USA or something. I just I think that they
saw what the WNBA locked into during their Olympic year,
where they got here's our WNBA all stars who didn't
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make the Olympic team versus the Olympic team, Like that
was just gold for them. And it was actually a
great game because the folks that didn't make Team USA,
like they played with a chip on their shoulder. There
was an actual competition. But you're never gonna get that
with the NBA. Also, Team USA is like super loaded,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Also, also the the WNBA, it's it's it's Franklin apples
and oranges as they're the way that their league is
so small, Yeah, the talent pool is so compressed. And
then you have those things. There's all these other things
you're talking about where it's like you could get like
you could form a team that could compete with the
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other you know, your your all Star best team, right.
But anyways, Dave, the finals were amazing. Before we get
into some of that, and also there's other news. I mean,
we got we got Tom Thibodeau getting fired. We got
other things going down. Were you able to find your
oatmeal in Oklahoma City, Dave?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
On the road?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I know you like to I like you like to
bring your own uh, but yeah, did you go have
like a t bone some of the local cuisine.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
No, I'm pretty much eaten, like I don't know, a
thousand calories in the two days.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And there continent.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I had a ton of gummy bears last night at
the game, though. The gummy bears that Oklahoma City gummies.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Or something that good.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
They're like Albany's or whatever, like the albany are so fantastic. Yeah,
and they had Mike and Ikes. It was a pretty good.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They had Mike and Ikes.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, it was a good setup.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I gotta work harder, Dave, so I get to these
a fine. If I would have known, I don't do that.
The gold at the end of the rainbow was Mike
and Ikes and Albanese gummy bears. I would have I
would have actually tried harder in my life.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I just moved to Oklahoma City. Man, I really cover
the thunder. I struggle with food on the road, yeah,
and like everything is meat or eggs, right, and especially
here in the Midwest. But I did have sushi for
breakfast today, so I.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Had sushi too. I wasn't breakfast, it was lunch.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It was eleven.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So but all right, so let's jump ahead. No apologies,
sorry everyone, Haliburton comes through again?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Is it? Is it?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Honestly? Two rote At this point, I'm like queuing up
the highlights for my kids in the morning, and they
just rolled their eyes. Pacers are gonna win, you know.
I I turned, I turned the the like it's like
a YouTube has the what's the final three minutes? And
my kids are like, oh, they're down by nine. They
got this.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That was about That was about the time that I
had turned to Esparra Henny, yeah, who was next to me,
and I said, oh, the Pacers are winning this.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Well it was I think when you're watching this at home,
and of course the stunning storyline beyond the heroics of
the end, the Pacers having nineteen turnovers in the first half,
just just what how do you do that? And everyone
you know, obviously identifying keys to the series. The thunder
force all these turnovers and they they're great at scoring
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off of the turnovers, and the the Pacers have been
good and not turning the ball over and they turn
over nineteen times in the first half. But it was
thirteen twelve point game something like that at halftime, and
you're still like, all right, I still even though I knew,
like you know, the Pacers are pretty happy to leave
me down this much, it still didn't feel like, all right,
they're definitely gonna do it. Because then I want to say,
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maybe for me, it was it was the first. It
was the first I think it was an AARONI Smith
three to go from nine to six or something. We're
at that point, I'm like, oh, I feel like they're
actually going to win this. Like I mean, the whole time,
I'm like excited, but I hadn't like set up fully
on my couch downstairs. And Aaron Nismith hit the one
to go to six, I'm like, here we go. Six
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point game with two and a half left is nothing.
It was thrilling. What was that like in Arena?
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Okay, so number one I want to start just like
this is a great place to watch a basketball game
and the fans are super bought in. And we look.
Every person who's done media that's come to Okay see
or talked about it, has talked about how bought in
they are. The white out was awesome. This crowd is
super into these games. I mean they don't actually do
a lot of the little mini games during the game
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because the crowd is like chanting. They're singing together, like
the entire arena like that. During free throws they stand up,
and I mean the entire arena all the way up
to the walls standing during free throws. So the vibe
there is amazing. It's more like a euro League or
like a like a college atmosphere than what we're used
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to with an NBA arena, right, Like this is like a.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Real like a revival.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Sure, yeah, there's handling. Maybe I love it. Yeah. Well
it's say snake in the pick and roll. That's what
the but the you you know, uh Jalen Williams jub
gets that big dunk right, the steel in dunk right
yeah yeah, flexes.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
And that also that that also sorry, that stealing dunk.
It was so crushing. This is like my wife's reading
her kindle doesn't really care that much. Yeah, to the
point where I actually set out loud like that was
crushing because it had come off of the Pacers missing
a lay up, like like like I think it was
a Mather and miss a layup and then they like
try to tap it in it what it bounds and
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then you throw the touchdown pass to the other team
the pick six, and they're like the first time I
spoke about the whole game where I was like that
was devastating.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Anyways, yeah, sorry ahead.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, so after that, you know, the Pacers call the
time out and I'm thinking, oh, well up, and then
they hit a couple of shots. Yeah, and Denie Smith
hits that three to cut it to six. Nem Hart,
the nim Hard, the dribbling crossover the.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Tour. Yeah, it's so.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Rare to see a guy dribble that many times and
still take a shot, right, and he hits that and
then he comes down and tries it again and we're
you know, like like leaning, we're like trying, he's going
in and then comes up with this huge offense rebound
and put back the put back time out. And then
that's when the crowd was like.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Because that was the one point game at that point,
and then yeah, and the crowd before that. It was
one of those things where you have that communal terror
of like, hey, we're actually litting the slip away and
it's even.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Still cheering loud though they were they were in.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
There was so there's the back to back threes. I
believe after nim Hard hit that wild step back right
INT's face, you actually had the Dort block. It led
to the tough Shay layup, and for me, I was like, oh,
was that the momentum? Was that it right there? Because
an amazing difference of play by door. I mean, Dort
had a game all right, Dort made all those threes,
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made that stop right there, but also just in the
most humiliating fashion, just kept throwing himself on the ground.
This goes back to a thing I used to joke
about where it's like, you should have a limit the
number of times you hit the ground in an NBA game.
This is like the Dwayne Wade fall down five stand
up whatever. It was like. It was like, but Dwayne
would throw himself on the ground to get calls, and
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then we have like the oh that wouldn't work because
embiid falls to save his body from injury. He's like,
I don't know, Dort fell down ten times in that
basketball game, and to my eye, if he needed to
didn't have to fall down once. He voluntarily fell down
at least ten times in that game, to the point
you're like, I can't with this screen, Dort, He's going down.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah. Yeah, the shot come from the book depository building.
Is how it looks when when he goes to the
screen right right, so you know, and then Shae comes down.
This is this is it. This was really when the
crowd started to feel like it was happening, right, Shane
misses that shot? Yeah, Pacers go.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I didn't think Haliburton. I thought Haliburton was looking to
pass and Cason Wallace sits on his sits on his
left hand to block the drive. But he's he's sagging
back just enough, and I think Haliburton is looking at
the clock when he's going up to make a jump
pass and winds up with the shot. And it's not
a shot that Halliburton takes right like now again now
watching it in real time, like that's what I was thinking,
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right right, watch the back. I think he was looking
for that shot, but that is not a shot that
anyone takes. That's that's not a typical mid range zone
at all, much less. Haliburton shot right, and he hadn't
really had a great game scoring the ball like at all.
He wasn't like he was shooting the lights out. Nope,
fourteen points for the game, and then he pulls up
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and you knew it was going in when he took
the shot, Keith, I just knew it. And imagine the
air left that building like someone took a knee needle
and popped it. It was just instantly gone. Dead point
three seconds is all they led in the entire game.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I know that that part's amazing, Like that's it's just
unbelievable to not have the lead at any point. And
now you have all these clutch stats. I'm sure if
you've been on social media, I've seen a lot of them, like, yeah,
now Halliburton four for four on shots to take the
lead or go or to tie or to take the
lead in the final two seconds.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I was gonna say six out of seven in the
last like in shots to tire or take the lead
in the last minute of the game in the playoffs,
that's for the whole.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, and so this this postseason, all other players are
one for thirteen in that situation with the final two
seconds to tire take the lead, and Haliburton is now
four for four. You have another fifteen point comeback for
the Pacers this postseason. They've done that more time than
any team ever in a single postseason. They were down
by nine in the final three minutes. It's the biggest
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comeback in the final three minutes of the finals in
the play by play era. You also have this, they
were minus eighteen in turnovers, and this is the first
playoff game anyone's ever won with that big of a
of a negative turnover different.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I have to dig into the tape on this. I
have to dig it into the tape because I haven't
had time to rewatch or anything. I want to know
if I mean, I definitely was part of the game plan.
But if you notice that the Pacers were getting back,
they were not aggressively trying to get offensive rebounds. I mean,
Pascal Siakam winds up with four of them or something,
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But part of that was just because he was coming
in cutting from the dunker and just happened to get
a few some tipouts. But there was like there was
a shot in the fourth quarter where I thought, man,
the Pacers should have gotten the rebound, but they let
it go to stop transition. This is one of the
amazing little turn of events here is that I think
Carlisles figured out a way, Hey we turned the ball over,
We're gonna turn the ball over against him. We've just
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got to stop them from getting laid ups off that.
And they did an amazing job. I mean, at one
point it was I think the they had had sixteen
live ball turnovers. The Thunder received sixteen live ball turnovers
and they had scored one time on it. It was
like a point three to one points per possession on that,
which is unheard of. Because again, you know the keys
of the series that everyone knew coming. In every single
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NBA podcast, we're all saying the same stuff because by
the time you get to the finals, we kind of
all know the same things. Pacers have to cut down
their turnovers because the Thunder that's twenty percent of their offense.
They get twenty percent of their points off turnovers. Never
occurred to me, Okay, look, you know what, we're going
to turn the ball over. They are not scoring on turnovers.
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It's such a it's a little bit of like, I
don't know. I mean, you don't want to do that, right,
you don't want to turn the ball over. Sure, if
you're going to, okay, that's the way to do it.
But still, if the Pacers don't shoot the lights out
compared to the Thunder, Thunder could not shoot, They couldn't
shoot inside, especially like they couldn't score around the basket.
Miles Turner is going to get overlooked for his contributions
in this game. That guy's defense was excellent. He only
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had three blocks, but he was changing shots. He was
just big down there, Like he really showed up. I thought,
I thought huge. But the Pacers have shot like this
during the playoffs, Like I'm not surprised they were able
to do that. I don't know. Still it's amazing, Like
like I'm sitting here just kind of like reliving in him.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It was still amazing. And I think it will be
worth monitoring to see how replicable the uh turn it over.
But don't give up points off those turnovers.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
That actually is they found something though, and I mean
this is something I think they already had. But if
you look in the second half, right, they only turned
over like four times. Nemhart Andrew Nedmhart bringing the ball
up having they were starting with Halliburton in the corner.
So like the first half of that game, the way
that the Thunder were guarding Halliburton, they were actually Dort
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was not guarding him directly. Most of the time. They
were having Dort pre switch on to whoever was coming
up to set the screen for Halliburton so that they
were able to throw Dort on him in the screen.
Or it was a lot of Dort in case Wallace
working together there. So like you you know, whichever way
you go off the screen, you've got a defender there,
right Like, so they were switching, but pre switching to
get dorta and the way that Carlisle counteracted that in
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the second half, Halliburton not on the ball, you're not
on the ball. He averaged two and a half dribbles
of possession or something, right Nemhart, I think it was
around four. TJ. McConnell was around four. That was the
key to the second half. Nemhart has a very tight handle.
He also doesn't turn the ball over a lot and
get you get that pressure off Halliburton and still the
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defense has to pay attention to Halliburton has some gravity,
yeah for this Oklahoma City Thunder team, right, like they're
constantly paying attention to him, but Nemhart bringing the ball up.
I actually I would love to see Pascal bringing up
a little bit more in Game two because I just
think anything to get get Halliburton down the court, get
him on the move coming off of like a pin
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down or something, and that way you're at least putting
the Thunder, making the Thunder do more switching before he
even touches the ball, rather than allow him to switch
while he's got the ball in his hands. I thought
that that was an excellent adjustment. I mean, Rick Carlisle
is such a good coach, right, and he's been doing
this for so long. He's seen pretty much everything, but
even that little just making that little tweak. Hey, you're
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not gonna bring the ball up. We're gonna have these
other guys bring the ball up. Take the pressure off
of him. I don't know. It was a great move,
and it the turnover thing. A lot of this was
Miles Turner would catch the ball. Yeah, yeah, they would
swarm him, you know. Obi Toppen actually had a few
turnovers early, and it was that swarming defense and just
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the amount of physicality that.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
The Beefs fourth quarter man just coming through. What a guy,
What a hero, What a hero.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
He's their fastball man. Like he comes off the bench
and it's like he's running five miles an hour faster
than everybody on the court.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
So one of the interesting things from the Thunder angle
is that they swapped up their starting lineup. They played
single big most of the time, and it was working,
and you're like, oh, we're forcing all these turnovers. It
makes more sense to slow down the Pacers. This way,
we match up better doing this. But then you get
to the end of the game and it's like, well,
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you you didn't actually make shots, you had that whatever
the was it the second quarter where the Pacers had
ten turnovers and like the Thunder only won by three points,
And it's like, you know, you want up a twenty
to twenty five with ten turnovers to one or something.
But then you get to the end of the game
and you get another miracle quote unquote miracle come back
from the Pacers. They've basically patented it this offseason, this postseason.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But ropo dope, man.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
But then you look at the Thunder's decision, You're like, well,
Hartenstein barely played home runs, like had six and six,
And it's like and you got dominated on the glass
and it's like, oh, did you are out smart yourself
or I don't know, I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well, here's the thing, Keith. Yeah, we talk about playoff
adjustments all the time, and Dagnall makes the first adjustment
before you even play a game. That may I mean,
I'll say this before the game. I'm thinking, Okay, yeah,
I like this move. I understand this move. I see
what they're trying to do. More ball pressure, more switchability, right,
like it was all about Halliburton, So I understand the move.
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I just think you go through game one at least
start with what got you there instead of kind of
changing your rotations a little bit. And Hartenstein was awesome
off the bench nine to nine seventeen minutes. I mean
there were plus two in the Hartenstein minutes for whatever
single game plus minus is worth to you. You know,
they won those minutes Chet though, I mean, they won
the Chet minutes. He was just awful. They won it
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in spite of him. You know, he puts the ball
on the deck one time he only takes one to
three right, so he's no threat to score at all.
The one time he does put the ball on the deck,
he winds up with some free throws. But I actually
thought that this was a series. If you're going to
play small. One of the big things they could do
with that five out is if they're guarding you with
Miles Turner. If they're guardening chat with Miles Turner, okay, cool,
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when when Miles Turner comes out to close out, you're
cutting into the basket. But Drew, also, you've got Miles
Turner out of the paint. They didn't do that. They
didn't guard him with with Miles Turner. So I thought, well,
Chet's gotta get shots up, period. Chet needs to take
five six threes a game maybe if he's gonna be
out out there, because they need that floor spacing to
open up the paint. You know a lot of people
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were asking me during the game last night, hey, how
come the Pacers aren't sending two to Shay? How come
they're not trapping Shay? And now, in hindsight, I'm thinking, well,
Shae puts up thirty shots to score thirty eight points. Yeah,
we find we saw the Pacers do this to Donovan Mitchell. Hey,
you're gonna beat us. Your other guys were not worried
about you're gonna beat us. Good luck.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
I don't know if you saw this stat. Zach Kram
pulled it out that the Thunder through the fewest passes
for any team in any game this season.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, and then I mean in NBA Finals history.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, if you pay that, just it. It's one of
the fewest amount of passes in a game. And yeah,
they don't they don't get assists, the balls not whipping
around a lot of some of that could be the
turnover stuff where you get a shot. When you get
a turnover, then maybe it's that one guy taking it
down trying to get a shot. But that's just an interesting.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Well, there's a lot of transition possessions I think the
Thunder would love to have back. Like I'm thinking about
one where Caruso actually just like draws a charge, right, Yeah,
Caruso commits a charge around the basket and meanwhile, like
there were two defenders down there in front of them.
I don't know why he didn't pull up and actually
just run a possession. But that's the thing where you know,
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maybe the Thunder don't trust their half court offense as much,
which we've seen this year. Like that's the if you
were going to point to something that they struggled at,
it's half court offense, Like they don't. They don't have
this dynamic thing. You know, it's a lot of shay,
you know, dribble drive, like come off a screen, see
if you can get into the paint. You know, he
loves that mid range cheat he hit a bunch of
But their offense isn't this dynamic system, which I'd say
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the Pacers have a much better offensive system than the
Thunder do, especially in a half court but I don't know.
I mean, look, the Pacers played an awful first half
in an amazing second half. That's That's all you can say,
really is it was a tail of tea.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It's so funny when we compliment these things and we
poke holes in like a Thunder game plan and we're like, oh,
you know when Jaylen Williams isn't shooting very well that
they kind of struggle. It's so funny. We do this
for games where it's like and they led to the
entire game, they led the whole and it's like the Pacers.
We write these stories about them, and it's like against
the game, win against the Knicks. If that ball doesn't go,
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if we don't see comebacks that we've never seen before,
none of these Carlisle adjustments mean anything.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
The best thing about the best thing about it is
like we spent like a week saying, how do the
Pacers possibly win? The Pacers. If you told me that
we're going to take one of the first two games
in Oklahoma City, I'd say that this is going seven. Now,
I had thunder and six just because like, look, that's
what the numbers say. They're eighty and nineteen now on
the season, like they win games like this is a
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but the Pacers just said they're they're they're a junk
ball pitcher. They're a knuckleballer. It's like Tim Wakefield of basketball.
Just it's they're weirdos. Now.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I can't get over this number. The Pacers are thirteen
and oher in the playoffs if they make more than
one third of their three pointers. And I know there's
like four miracle victories in that, but still, it's like
they haven't lost this postseason. Wouldn't they make more than
a third of their threes, So incredible stuff from the Pacers.
There's such a fun team. And now we'll see, I
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mean the thunder dropped the game one to the to
the Nuggets. We'll see what happens if the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Can up eerily similar to that that game one loss
to the Nuggets. So uh yeah, they probably have some
nightmares today.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yeah, let's take a break, Dave, and then we'll come back.
Let's send some of the other NBA storylines, non Finals related,
and also do the awards segment of the program. All right,
real quick, Dave, since we know you're in Okay, see
with things to do. A couple of news items.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
There's like, there's an old grain, Is there a shoot
around or anything?
Speaker 3 (29:29):
What are you supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (29:30):
There's apparently a pickup game tonight, but the old Keith
and the last time I played basketball, I tore my cat.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
The Knicks fired Tom Thibodeau. Woh, yeah, it's nice to
break that news to you.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
No, I forgot your reaction was, No, I haven't talked
about Tom Thibodeau since he got fired. Basically, there are
some talks he did not fire him. There are talks.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Today about Jason Kidd being a serious candidate for this.
Jason Kidd getting out of the Mavericks situation is incredible.
He's not that bad of a coach, honestly, like that
much though. I mean, he's got a decent track record.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Sure, yeah, I don't I don't know that he's I
don't know that. I'm not gonna say he's a better
coach than Tom Thibodeaux. I think Tom Thibodeau is such
an amazing floor raizer for your team. But I don't know.
Jason Kidd is he's made of finals as a coach.
He's had some very interesting things that he's done, like
as a as a basketball coach, where you're like, oh, okay,
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this guy is thinking outside the box. And I think
that that's what the Knicks are looking for. Obviously he's
got the history. There is he a.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
CIA client though, that's I think, yes, the most important thing,
the most important thing.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Obviously, I'm more interested in I'll be honest, I'm more
interested in where Tom Thibodeau winds up than who winds
up the next k next coach.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
There you go, because the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Have moves to make. In my opinion, like I think
that whoever their coaches. Well, okay, let's see what the
roster is going to be like for them. That's more interesting,
Like what are they gonna do with Michael Bridges? Who
is a weird fit for them?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Straight up?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Back to for Kevin said that for Kevin Durant. But
you got to add stuff, you know what I mean? Like, uh,
the Simons, Sorry, Bodo, though, I'd like to see him
wind up somewhere, like I wish he could get like
the Atlanta Hawks job, Like, could could we get him
in Atlanta and let him be a floor? Can they
be the sixth? Quinn Snyder gonna go, I don't know,
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somewhere else? Send him Charlotte? Who cares?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
The son said they don't want Bradley Beal to come back.
That's been reported. How what what? What are their plans there? Trying?
Are they trying to get Bradley build to retire? Like
what do you? What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I don't is Bradley Beal not already retired? I mean
he he lives in Phoenix, he plays basketball for the
scree Last year's Great Life. Why would you if you're
Bradley Beal unless you're gonna go to like a championship contender,
which probably not. Yeah, why would you leave? You know?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
The Sons did hire a coach, Dave. They hired Jordan Ott,
who was an assistant coach on the Cavaliers. The Sons
narrowed their coaching search down to two assistant coaches on
Dan Gilbert's Cavaliers. Dan Gilbert and Matt Ishbia. The Sun's owner,
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are rivals, real estate rivals. Quite obviously the guy they
chose Ott worked at Michigan State. So now the entire
Sun's organization basically has Michigan State connections. The the GM,
the owner, the other president of basketball ops guy they hired.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I literally do not know who the GM is it name.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
He was a coach while Ishbio was at Michigan State.
I want to know now that they're loading, they're making
this all Michigan State team, I mean, are they? Are
they not going to make these extreme offers for Draymond
Green and Jaron Jackson Junior? Could we not get Devin?
Could the Grizzlies trade Jared for Devin Booker? I mean,
what isn't that their dream that they could Durant for
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Draymond Green, then Booker for Jaron I don't know what
till out there.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
They can't trade Booker, they can't try. The thing is, though,
this coach. You know, you're hiring a first time coach. Yeah,
it feels like, okay, what are you gonna do? A rebuild?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
This is gonna be Devin Booker's seventh non interim coach.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
He should ask for a trade. Second ever, say that.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Keith, seven full time coaches in your tenure on one team.
That's incredible. The Jazz hired Danny Aingel's son.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
How do you get the job?
Speaker 3 (33:47):
He's the best candidate available?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Mm hmmm mm hm.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
He runs on that man. Incredible stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I mean, hey, if you guys ever get a chance,
go to a team site, just roll through, like who's
working in social media? Who the scouts are are? You know?
I mean it's a it's a bunch of names, you know.
We'll just say that.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, it's like, wait, that last name sounds familiar. Let's
answer our listener submitted question, Dave, this is the croissant question.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Ah, any questions?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yes? Are you going to finish that quissant?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Knock yourself out?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Magnus wants to know the question. Master Magnus wants to know,
what's your take on this circle logo Turkey Bacon conspiracy,
and then he links a Reddit post, Dave, here's the
conspiracy about the circle logos in the NBA quote, it's
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it seems clear the league is pushing teams towards uniformity
in logo shape and dimensions. I think this is a
response to the Magic having new jerseys and a new logo,
and instead of it being like a little rectangle Magic
thing is now just the same circle that everyone else
is doing circle logo. All right, So it seems clear
that the league is pushing teams towards uniformity in logo
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shape and dimensions so that the team logo can go
where the ad patch is currently when the ads take
over the large team name area across the chest. Dave,
what are your what are your thoughts on this constitution?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
The NBA loves money, so I there might be something
to this. You know, obviously everybody's familiar with what international
jerseys look like.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Like.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, you know, if you watch you know, any euro League,
it's good luck telling me what team is playing, right.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, see like it looks like Spotify is playing right.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Playing Yeah, that that's coming here, you know, the NBA
would love to have their jerseys look like NASCAR. It's
why you don't have the Larry O'Brien patch on the
jersey in the finals.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I will say they want to this. This smells right.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
It does smell right when you look.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
At how there used to be a bunch of different
shapes and sizes when it when it came to team logos,
and now everything looks like an s B Nation blog.
It's all just a circle that goes on your Twitter
avatar space. Yeah, that smells right. That's good.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It does smell right. That's it. That is that is
a conspiracy theory. That sounds like they were sitting in
on a zoom call.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
What are the Grizzlies going to do when they don't
have a jersey sponsor? Just have a big blank space,
a big blank space on their chest.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You don't think they can get a sponsor.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
They they didn't have one for a while. Clutch finally
hooked them up with Robin Hood this year.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I mean, come on, look, we just gotta get let's
get some casino sponsor.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
To get those wealth Wealth sovereign funds.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
And here the Dallas Maverick fan duels is what's coming right,
the Los Angeles Draft Kings. I can't wait. It's gonna
be great. You know, it's gonna be as much like
NASCAR as we can make this. Let's just uh, just
ring as much cash as we can out of every
single thing. Yeah, but yeah, that tracks. That's a great call.
I actually had. You know what's funny, I haven't seen
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the magical logo. The new one. I haven't even seen.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
It is not that different. I mean they're new, they're
new jerseys. I will say it's they're obviously nineties throwbacks.
I like. I like the fact baseline they look like
basketball jerseys. Yes they don't. They don't look overly weird.
I like that one's one's white and one's blue black.
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I think the other one the blacks and blue one together.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, they were trying to get warm up warm.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
They're trying to replicate the old Shack warm ups. It's fine.
The fonts, I don't. I think the faun is pretty dull,
but at the very least, it's a white jersey and
a blue jersey, and to me, that passes the muster of.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I wear the blue jersey at home.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
You're right, right, But yeah, the rest of it it's like,
all right, I don't get too excited about all these
things anyways. Uh, Magnus, thank you for great question.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Thanks for putting that on my radar. I wouldn't have
seen it. It was on the reddit.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yes, there's no time for the awards segment of the program,
the International stack House of Pancakes Award given to the
worst performance in a box score. This is for the
last week. Don't have that many games. Had a full
five days off of basketball. I watched so many good movies,
like Mike not one of the ones I watched in
the last week.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
What's the best movie you watched?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well, oh man, what's the name of that war? Oh? Now,
yall look it up. It just slip my mind. I
rewatch The Sweet Smell of Success, which I love. It's
so good. I watched that for the first time this year.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
No.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I watched this movie from after World War Two. It
was real. I might have talked about it before, actually,
but that was further back.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
I watched Sinners a couple of days ago. I really
like Sinners. That's a new movie. I was into that.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I watched The Train, which was incredible. It's a Bert
Lancaster movie. From like the late sixties. They crash so
many trains in this movie, like actual trains.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Did you look up with the budget?
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It was great. They blew they blew up a train
yard in this movie, like I'm telling you this like
late sixties, and there's like these like Burt Lancaster is
like pouring a I don't know what it is. He's
like pour in a silver mold and he's actually making
like some kind of thing that goes on the train,
like the whole it's like one shot. It's not these
fake smell Yeah, it's not these fake cutting together things
they do now. And all the Netflix originals words like, oh,
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that was a twenty minute one shot. No, it wasn't.
These were actual like long it was. It was kind
of amazing. No. The Best Years of Our Lives was
a movie from the forties. It's like depressing and it's
all about soldiers returning home for World War Two and
how the world has irreparably changed and it's really socially
conscious and it's one of those where you're like this
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was a big movie released in the forties, like this
is really I don't know, like never seen talking about
how soldiers like their lives are ruined, and there's just
like rich people who are like clearly like the movie
is like being like these people stink. It was like, okaymazing.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Movies used to do this, Keith like, come on, I mean,
it's a wonderful life. The whole thing is that this
real estate.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Well then you but then you had. I can't remember
who it was, you know, you had. I can't remember
what it was called. Like the initially, I feel like
the MPAA their job was to make sure that workers
and the common man were not over represented in movies
because they were trying to fight communism. Their goal was
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like no, no, the rich people need to do the heroes right.
And so it was like all these subversive like oh
they made a carpenter of the hero in this one.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Well, I mean all the eighties movies it was like corporate.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
See that was the movie The Train. It's like Burt
Lancaster is a guy who knows to do so with
his hands. He's like he's like screw. There's these long
takes of him like unscrewing things where it's like and
he's sabotaging. It was great. Anyways, sounds like a channel. Sorry,
this is the International sack House of Pancakes Award.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
David, I gotta see this movie now for the You.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Should check it out some Prime video, uh for free
if you're a subscriber. Honorable mention in the last week,
Nikale Alexander Walker in the Game five beat Down, he
was oh for eight. Are three nominees worst shooting performances
in the last week. Also same game, his teammate Jada
McDaniels two for thirteen, had five points, five rebounds, one assist,
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one turn every, one personal foul, ogn and Obi in
a Game five win over the Pacers he was three
for fourteen eleven points, four rebounds, three seals, one turnover,
two personal fouls. And then Jalen Williams in Game one
of the Finals six for nineteen seventeen points, six assists,
four rebounds, no turnovers, four personal fouls. So we got
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Jada McDaniels two for thirteen, five points, five boards, og
Anobi three for fourteen, eleven points, four boards, Jalen Williams
six for nineteen seventeen points, six assists.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I think I go, Jayden.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
That's probably Jada mc daniels. The thing is the worst
game there.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Jayden elimination game. You know, he's hit or missed right, Like,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
He's so hitter, he's so he's the guy. He's one
of those guys where when you see him on his
best days, you're like, is that guy one of the
best players in the NBA?
Speaker 2 (42:48):
The number two? Right?
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Oh wow?
Speaker 3 (42:51):
J they're basically yeah, yeah, they they look the timberlves
always look unstoppable when jadaminals has good games, but then
he has the five point games kind of a lot. Jalen, So,
congratulations Jade McDaniels on winning this week's award. Jalen Williams, Now,
he's putting together a handful. He's got like five just
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true abominations in this playoff.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
You know, like I don't think Game one was an abomination,
a full abomination.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah, Like I'm saying, he's putting together some like five
for twenties, three for sixteen years. Yeah, he's had several
of these, which is keeping him from being that maybe
the true Scottie Pippen to Shaddy. You know, I know,
I know he's putting together the awards this year, but
I mean, yeah, it's still earn his career.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I mean, honestly, though, A little bit like Scotty Pippen
to be honest with you, ye, because Scotty wasn't exactly
the greatest shooter score right, okay, but.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
He was also great also.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yes, anyways, my dog's name is Pip.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
There you go. Uh. Last thing, going back to the
stern Commerce Finals, Siakam won the MVP of thetern Cremerce
Finals over Haliburton, You think, rightfully, I'm yeah. I mean
like Sakam was great six game series, I feel I
fall more. First of all, I do like the fact
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that there was no time to get a consensus. I
like that we had a five to four vote. I
liked that it was nine people and it was kind
of random. Yeah, I thought on this was I feel
like part of it it seemed a little shocking to me.
Siakam more consistent stats, had some big games. But then
part of me goes to like the whole like maybe
it's just the quarterback thing in football where it's like
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it seemed like I and also I think about just
the play, like the shot they win in even if
it was Nie Smith who set up Game one. But
then I was wondering when we do these like finals
MVP or when we do if we do an MVP
for a single series, should we just throw out the
losses because like, because like Haliburton's stats in the four wins,
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we're talking twenty five points in third Genus is the game,
So like, that's MVP. Who cares if he was terrible
in the law, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, for me, it's the fact that guards. I mean,
and he really guarded in that series. He gave Karl
Anthony Towns everything he handled, Like Towns had like what
one maybe two good quarters in the whole series. Yeah,
I mean, I Pascal Siakam is an underrated player. He's great,
completely underrated.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
But it's so funny because literally last week I was like,
we don't talk enough about and then he wins Eastern
Conference Finals MVP, and I'm like, maybe too.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Much started calling him the cooler. Doesn't it feel like
he hits a big shot every single time.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
He makes one man?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah, and he should. The thing is he does it quietly,
which is why he's even easy to overlook. But I mean,
and then down the stretch he allows them the flexibility
to bring in Obi Topping to close the game because
it's like, Okay, well we know we've got who can
guard anybody like anybody inside. He can give us rim protection,
he's going to rebound all these other things. Yeah, excellent player.
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And that that trade for Sam is why they made
so good a conference finals last year. It's why they're
in the finals this year. And he really like kind
of completes that team with his with his flexibility is
a Swiss army knife, like he's.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
He's a player also speaking of Siakam and topping and
all that. And so now now the Thunder gonna try
to bounce back and we hopefully we have a good
series on our hand. Unboievable Game one. I think that
the one thing that I'm I remain so impressed by
these teams is how they have They have guys who
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are going to be in the court at all times
and both of them, you know, yeah maybe two where
you're like always it's always going to be Shay and
it's always going to be j Dubb and it is
probably gonna be Dort, but then there's some wiggle room
on who else. And and same with the Pacers where
it's like Miles Turner is not closing games and like
a home grend In Hargsteing and didn't close the last game,
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and so like, I'm impressed just overall with the willingness
of the teams, of the coaches, of the of the
buy in to be like there is was versatility on
the lineups. The players that that that like won't be
out there. You won't have you know, guys you think
of as being near all stars out there.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
I was shocked when Miles Turner got benched, well not bench,
he didn't get benched when they subbed in Obie for
for Miles Turner to close the game. Because Miles Turner,
like his defense, his rebounding member, he hits the big
step back three. He really like was a part of
that comeback there at the end. I mean, it was
a team effort by the Pacers. This is this is
the big thing that's that will get overlooked. They had
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six guys in double figures, but nobody with twenty points.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
That's that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's I've been saying this quite
quite a bit about the Pacers team. They have like
an an offense that's built on anarchy. It's a bureaucracy
almost of offense. Anybody can do anything. Nemhart shooting mid
Rangers Neie Smith. His ability to put the ball on
the floor and get to the basket is actually, you know,
it's three dribbles for him, but he can do it,
(48:03):
and he's such a threat to shoot. Now they're they're
really fun, man, it's a fun and it is like that.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
There are stretches where it's like TJ McConnell, bail us out,
just teach go cook for the.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Of the game. Before the game, I'm like, how is
TJ McConnell going to play against the thunder? There's no
excuse me, no way. He can't shoot threes, he's so small.
And then he just dribbles into the paint and he
was like he hadn't what nine points or something? Is
there a leading scorer or time for leading scorer at
halftime or something? And this is the thing about the
(48:34):
Spacers team. My hope is that the takeaway from the
finals is like everyone else like watching this playoffs like
you need ten twelve guys. You know you need ten
or twelve guys get through the regular season. You need
a nine man rotation in the playoffs. Now, team building
is going to change then.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
And then you beyond that, you need seven guys who
you might be down with closing with or something right,
depending on the circumstance.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
On what's happening, you have to be able to match
what the other team's gonna do. And in a lot
of ways, the Thunder going small worked against them because
Obie Topping was so awesome right right right?
Speaker 3 (49:11):
I mean, they they went small, and then they didn't
score the last two minutes.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
And this is one of my favorite basketball games ever. Keith, like, honestly,
like you, I really am. I can't shake it. Yeah again,
I was not. I'm not like too cool for school guy,
that's not my thing. But I am pretty chill and
I was pretty chill, like I flew out here, you know,
you run into everybody.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Hey, what's up, buddy, You're like a guy who saw
his first Broadway play.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I feel like it. Yeah, I feel like it. And
I can't even count how many basketball games I've just
watched in the last month. And man, it was. It
was amazing. I just I loved every single piece of it.
The fact that the Thunder played eleven guys in the
first half actually kind of rules. Like aj Mitchell got
minutes in the final Where'd that come from? Yah?
Speaker 3 (49:57):
Well awesome. I'm I'm excited for you, Dave, and hopefully
you'll get another good game too on Sunday. Hopefully it'll
be just as exhilarating.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Anyway, we should do this again Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, we'll see. You might need a break, man, We'll see. Anyways,
Thanks everybody for hanging out with us. Thanks everybody over
at patreon dot com, slash Flash break Breakfast for supporting
the show. You guys are the best. Thanks for listening,
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