July 8, 2025 • 51 mins
The Miami Heat, Los Angeles Clippers and Utah Jazz made a 3-team trade where somewhat quizzically the Heat ended up not having to give up anything of value to bring in 20-point per game scorer Norm Powell. The Clippers shipped him out to bring in John Collins, and on this episode of Fastbreak Breakfast, Keith and Dave have some questions about exactly went down.
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Episode 803 (S11 Ep. 28)
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Episode 803 (S11 Ep. 28)
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Right. Welcome two Fast Break Breakfast NBA podcast. My name
is Keith Parrish, and I'm here once again with my buddy,
through the miracle of computer phone, I'm here with Dave Defoor. Dave,
Happy summer League. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Happy summer League to you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm great, thanks man.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, you know, it's been fun to have some of
these games on. They're good background noise, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's exactly what they are. I'm not gonna put both
screens on and like total mainline them. I'm not gonna
watch closely. I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I can't tell you anything that's happened.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I can't tell you anything either for admission. I've watched
snippets here and there and two entire Grizzlies games, so
I did not shirk my responsibility as a Grizzlies podcaster,
as a general NBA podcaster, I don't have anything to
say say about the Edgecombe. I didn't. I haven't seen it.
(01:04):
I saw Khalil Ware had a bunch of great highlights,
and I'm like, why is he playing?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Right? So wow, he needs to play. He needs to play.
These guys need to play. It's important. It's an important
step in their process.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm with you. If you remember last Summer League breakout,
NBA stars Scottie Pippen Junior and Jake Laarravia both played.
I've heard Jake Laaravia is the signing of the summer.
I've heard I've heard some wild things from national podcasters
about Jake Laarravia, and I consider myself to be on
(01:39):
the forefront of Jake Laaravia's support. I've seen some things
where they're like, you know, you know what people aren't
talking about. You know who's way better than Dorian Finney
Smith Jake Laravia, And I'm like, what, Larious? Come again?
I mean again? I I was upset the Grizzlies to
(02:00):
clined his fourth year option, yeah, saying he's better than
one of the five guys that JJ Reddick put in
a basket in a playoff game last year. I was like,
I mean, if you catch him on the right moment.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I love how often this show becomes my NBA media
confessional where I get to admit all the things that
I find silly. But that's definitely the one, and like,
come on, man, we don't part.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Of me wonders. Dave is like, would it not be better? Perhaps,
I mean, of course life would be better and maybe
if yous had social media, none of us access to
other opinions. And even I mean social media has basically
done it. It's gotten me involved in basketball, Like it
was all social media that got me involved in doing this.
So like there's been always positive. I would have never
(02:45):
met you without social media. Like, so like there's so
many relationships I have through social media. But I also
feel like when I podcast at about basketball, so much
of it feels like I'm responding to other things I'm hearing,
which is the.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Whole podcast that just talk about stuff that happens on
another podcasts. Man, Like there's a real weird It's like,
you know, this this very insular and inside baseball thing.
It's kind of like like there are times where on
on our show we'll have like our beat writers, right,
and our guys are great. They're really good that it's
(03:18):
never the oh man, you know, I had this crazy
flight to get to you know, summer League. It sucked,
you know what I mean. They're always like happy to
be there. Yeah, And that makes a big difference. But
like I do feel like the and part of it
is when you do this every single day. You can
get bored with it, and you do sometimes want to
(03:38):
talk about the food you ate at the arena or whatever,
and that's all fine and good, but man, I try
to skip that stuff as much as possible because it
a little bit too inside baseball, and it's like, what
are we here for?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like bad trades? Yes, I'm I'm here to recognize bad
shooting performances and to make fun of trades. I disagree.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Without the Utah Jazz now.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Shocking moves, I am yeah, I know. I want to
save it. Akaream of Wheat, Worst of Week coming up later.
Everything that Utah Jazz do, every explanation. Oh, speaking of
the Utah Jazz, here's my one summer league opinion about
a non Grizzlies player, Ace Bailey. Were's a big baggy
(04:30):
T shirt under his jersey? Who's the last good big
baggy T shirt guy? Something of like he played well
against the Grizzlies, but also, as my cat totally disrupts
the camera once again, a little gift for you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Who is.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Who's the last good big baggy T shirt guy?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I mean, I go back to thinking about like Scotty
Thurman from Arkansas playing in college.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I think, man, why are these NBA guys wearing T shirts?
What are we doing here? I don't know the baggy
T shirt. I don't know who's the best baggy T
shirt play.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I like like he he played well in this one
summer league game. I watched him start to finish. But
also I looked at like his something about his posture
and uniform and I'm like, eh, a bust or something.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
With Jason Williams, like white chocolate. He wear a T shirt.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Guy, he wore a T shirt for a real long time. Yeah,
that's that's that's a good call. And I'm not talking
about his whole depot shirt he wore in that one
social media post. That's why social media is good. Before
social media, these things just showed up on like Yahoo ball.
Don't why or whatever I was there for that. Look
at this funny picture of Dirk Novinsky at a party
(05:50):
at like a sorority party. Anyways, on that note, Dave,
let's do our breakfast. It's been a while. I had
a smooth the we're talking banana plain yogurt. Yeah, lots
of ice, A couple of carrots, some raspberries, some strawberries.
Put it all together very nice. A little secret. I've
(06:12):
also started just a splash, just a hint. We we
bought some like very sugary limeaid.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
For is there any other kind?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well, there's probably no other kind. We had this limemaid
for some party like pid people over and and just
I'm not talking about I'm talking about a splash, just
a splash of the I mean, yes, the lime flavor
and a little sugar. Never heard of smoothie, but yeah
it was.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You know, we had this place in Richmond growing up
called Bill's Barbecue. There you go, it was over It
was near the Diamond where the Richmond Braves, the Triple
a affiliate for the for the Atlanta Braves played and
they had a a famous limemaid. It was like people
would just go there. Oh I'm gonna get a limemaid.
That's it. But it takes you know, you know lime jello,
like the old school jello molds that we grew up
(06:59):
in the a with right favor.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, no sourness whatsoever, no right.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
That is what it tasted and looked like. It was
like they just poured the liquid without the the collagen
or whatever you know causes the the jello, the gelatin,
not collagen, uh the no gelatin. But it just like
poured over ice. That's what it tastes like.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You're talking about. You're just drinking snow cone juice.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Essentially, that's a snow cone serrup Richmond, Virginia. You know,
we're ahead of our time when it comes to like,
you know, pre diabetes.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's like it's like the let's talk about a fast
food now staple of fast breakath fast break breakfast episodes past,
like Sonic used to have. Sonic America's Drive In used
to have these like limeaids and lemonade slush things that
actually had the sensation that there might have been some
fruit in this. It was in fact sous and acidic
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and it had a little bit of paul. I mean,
obviously was a sugary dessert drink. Can do a milkshake
slushy thing, but it had the it wasn't just snow
cone serrup. It wasn't just bright neon yellow thing. Where
now that's all it is to me, don't they I
don't even fake like you gotta fake to me. I
need some of that sourness in the drink. If we're
(08:19):
just talking candy. I mean, give me a lie mic
and Ike a limon Mike and Ike. I need no,
I need no.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Say fine totally RFK, keep your hands off Keith's candy.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, bring bring back those rustle stover jelly beans.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We're gonna ryt. Look when we're using crush ladybugs to
put you know, red on candy, people are gonna ry it.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
It's natural, that's.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Good for you. What's in that spin drift?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Oh, I'm drinking a fruit punch spin drift, No Island punch.
I don't even know what is a pomegranate? Maybe passion fruit,
guava and orange. It's delicious. It is not the zerru
It is not one of the zero calorie ones, which
makes me let lets me know, maybe it's not the
best for me. Like, it does have some sugar in it.
(09:09):
Should I not drink eight of them in a day
or ten of you know? I feel like I'm hydrating.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Wait, that water has sugar in it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I mean it has no added sugar, but it has
it has enough fruit juice in there where it's like
two grams of sugar, which is well, it says it's
nothing nothing.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I don't know, Okaith two sugar instead of you know,
just water.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
How much fruit am I supposed to have it a day?
Delivered through a delicious spodling water reach out Spindriff. We
need a sponsor, Dave. Have you had what's the last
non oatmeal breakfast?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You had? Oh? The last non oatmeal? You know what?
I went out the other day over the weekend, had
a fantastic blueberry waffle. I mean this thing was like
filuberries really really sounds great, delicious, eate it with no uh,
no syrup or anything. I mean it was just it
(10:03):
was like almost like a cake, like a blueberry cake.
It was delicious. That was probably that. That's the last
non oatmeal. I eat oatmeal every day though it's pretty good,
especially like now I've got a bunch of travel coming up.
You know, like Vegas is going to be a nightmare
for me. Let me go complain about my cool job, right,
I mean I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean I'm gonna be eat a lot of hotel parfes,
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be trying to figure out
where my where I get my oatmeal, But you know,
I try to I try to definitely lock in on
the oatmeal before I'm not home.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know, I'm just realizing I don't think on last
week's episode. On my return from my trip to Disneyland
and San Diego, I mean, I I had some amazing
breakfasts I probably should have at least really yeah, I bet.
I mean met up with with Power listener longtime supporter
Jeff Siegel. We had some Churo's in in San Diego,
also some Bignet's same spot. I did the ordering, not him. Uh,
(10:58):
I was like, just give us all your We had
this like it was place had like a appetizers of
We actually were looking for a walk in and out
place because my family we were going to sit see,
you know, we were headed towards you to sightsee. We're like,
let's grab a quick breakfast. Meet up with Jeff and
he recommended a place. It was all table seating, but
it was it worked out perfectly. They had an open
table and uh, the appetizer options were like Beignet's and Enturohs.
(11:23):
I'm like, yeah, we'll take one of each, and they're like,
doe anything else. I'm like, I don't think so that
sounds like a lot. And so yeah, we powered through
it was very very good.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Anyways, those were our breakfast. After our breakfast, we moved
to our breakfast in bed. Apologies, this is my chance
to make right, but I'm had gotten wrong in a
previous episode. It's frequently the first time I talked about
the NBA. We've mentioned Ace Bailey already. It's pretty good.
Jake Lavia not bad. Uh, Dave, I guess I should apologize.
Maybe we should both apologize. To the Indiana Pacers. We
made fun of them for finding a way to dodge
(11:56):
the luxury tax by not keeping Miles Turner. According to
Kevin Pritchard, they were stunned he walked away. They absolutely
were going to pay the luxury tax if only this
specific thing hadn't happened. So my apology. I'm sure they
would have actually cracked open the check book for the
first time in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We'll never know.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
We'll never know.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It's the beauty of coming out after and saying, you know,
we were going to do this thing, oh and we
just couldn't.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It was gonna make an aggressive offer. I mean, I
don't think I've talked about it on the show. Maybe
on a Patren only episode. Tried to buy a house.
I was stunned when they didn't take my offer, because
you know, I thought they were going to negotiate. I said, well,
here's the number. Talk to me, and I think Kevin
Pritchard said to him, Mouse Turner, here's a number, talk
(12:45):
to me. Then, what do you mean someone offered more?
What do you mean I didn't meet you here asking price?
What do you mean I came in not where you
were hoping. I was stunned. Kevin Pritcher was stunned. I'm
sure they would have paid.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I have no problem with it. By the way, I
have no problem with letting Miles Turner walk, okay, especially
in this scenario. This is the only scenario in which
it makes any sense. I just don't I think that
with Haliburton out for a year, you look at just
Miles Turner is going to be thirty, you know, by
the time like they're looking to compete again, which is
after a year maybe, And that's if Haliburton comes back
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and is you know, is Haliburton right away, which most
guys aren't coming back from from an Achilles. So I think,
like it's a smart I understand like there's backlash, but
it's kind of the smarter move and doesn't it doesn't
hamstring them long term.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I recognize that it could be the smarter move. Yeah,
like part of me, it bothers me because I'm like,
we let them go for nothing, and you generally shouldn't
let an asset walk for nothing. It helps it, I
mean it might long term hurt the Bucks. Maybe you
could argue it short term it helps the Bucks. If
it keeps you honest, that helps. That probably helps the Bucks.
(13:58):
So I don't love it, but I do want understand that, hey,
paying centers, unless they're jokic, maybe not the best thing
to do with your resources. You absolutely can perhaps recreate
in the aggregate Miles Turner with some combination of Tony Bradley,
Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff, James Wiseman, and Isaiah Jackson. I
(14:21):
think is that five guys, So maybe you can recreate
somewhat in the aggregate, and then you do have maybe
more options to figure out the rest of your roster
once Halliburton returns in the twenty six twenty seven season.
So all right, maybe it won't hurt them two maybe, uh,
although maybe they could have still competed, you know, even
(14:43):
without Halliburton.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That's the thing is like you.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Have you have Edgy and TJ McConnell. Oh, I was
just mentioning the point yards. Yeah, obviously you have Siakam,
you have a number one A has been really good.
You'll give maybe there'll be more opportunity for Benediic Matheren
defined his role to continue developing his role. The East
stinks out loud. You absolutely could be quite good. There
(15:10):
could have been a situation, could you. I can imagine
another situation where the game seven of the finals next
year and they're like, Halbert, you want to play? You
haven't played yet?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh my god, you want to give it a go.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Now, Dave, let's jump. Let's jump past steaking egg's best
thing to the cream of wheat worst thing. This is
I feel like an untoured trade for many of these
parties I'm talking about. I'm talking about the John Collins,
Norm Powell, Kyle Anderson Kevin Love three way trade which
(15:45):
came out on Monday. I don't love any team's involvement
in this, except for the heat, of course, for the heat.
This is easy. This is an absolute home run. This
is an incredible trade they were given Norm Powell for free.
(16:10):
This is the team, this heat team. They looked dead
and buried, like they backed themselves into a corner the
way the year ended for them, losing Jimmy Butler. You
still have that Terry Rezier contract. Andrew Wiggins seemed more
disinterested than normal. They got humiliated in the playoffs. They
(16:35):
missed out on their lottery pick because they made the
playoffs to have that historic four game sweep to the Cavaliers.
But all of a sudden, Duncan Robinson's like, I'm good,
you don't need to pay me, and they're like, oh,
that's amazing, great, thank you. How do we compliment you?
(16:55):
Thank you Detroit Pistons for helping us out of that one.
And then this they didn't have to include the Terry Rogier.
They can still use that theoretically for matching salary on
the line. They gave up Kevin Love you know, maybe
gonna get bought out in Utah. I don't know. Kyle Anderson,
whom I love, Dave Kyle Anderson, whom I adore, Probably
(17:18):
a negative contract. He's got two years, eighteen million left.
No one wants to have him on the books for
nine million. The season after this one, right. They got
off of that, and they got a guy who was
in the conversation for an All Star spot in the
Western Conference, Norm Powell, twenty point per game scorer, he
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made three threes per game last year. He's one of
the best three point shooters in the NBA. They got
him for free for matching salary. This is a they
can't keep getting away with this. I'm stunned. Do you
do you think the Heat were confused when they were like, wait.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What wait? What? How did I get this?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Is he? Yeah? Did something happen to him?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I mean, he's got to He's up for a contract, right,
So every player.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Is up for a contract in like two years.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And you know, from what I've heard, Clippers wanted to
get bigger. We got a match up with the Rockets. Man, Well,
they're also thinking about the Nuggets. You know, Aaron Gordon
was a real problem in that. I mean, you know
that put back dunk is probably the biggest highlight, right,
but Aaron Gordon dominated the Clippers in that series, and
(18:34):
they feel like John Collins is a guy who could
do that. I wonder how are they gonna get through
the couple of months that Kawhi is gonna miss you
know what I mean, Like when they need a big three,
who's the guy that's gonna hit it. That's who norm
Pal's been for him, and they just have no shooting.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Now, no shooting. That's a much bigger deal than Aaron Gordon. Also,
can we go back to the point where you relayed
that they might think that John Collins is gonna help
them stop Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Work in the glass, I guess John Collins.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
John Collins's stats have been really good on Utah. Yeah,
there is. I actually got into this because I was
curious about him as a potential option for the Grizzlies.
Once there's a weird split where his shooting numbers skyrocket
once the games don't matter, like like like first half
of every year, I'm kind of bad. And then you're like, oh,
(19:34):
he's working his way back from a hand thing. He's
working his way back from a wrist thing. And then
it's like, or this man loves garbage time stats. He
loves shooting thirty nine percent from three in games that
don't mean a lick. So I don't know. I mean,
maybe he will help out. I don't I don't hate it.
From the Jazz side. Okay, you dumped you dumped John
(19:58):
Collins for a future around pick and you created this
huge trade exception. I mean, I do hate it in
an idealized world. Of course, we don't live in an
idealized world, you know. I hate it, Dave, the entire
concept that you can get rid of good players for hey,
now we can accrue bad contracts for the next year
(20:21):
and pick up future assets. And the fact that this
is somehow socially acceptable, that this is lauded, this is
a accepted way to build a contender. It's still crazy
to me. I still feel insane when I hear people
getting like the fact that fans are like, oh great,
that's awesome, love it. John cons was gonna be on
our next contender. It's like, You're never gonna.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I mean, it gives them free time, right, like you
don't have to watch the time. I don't have to
watch the Utah Jazz this year. Thank you, Danny Ainge
that the Utah Jazz are going to be a team
that I just get on thanking. I will not need
to watch them at all. I'll catch them when they
play other teams here and there, but I'll probably just
flip it off unless unless one of these young guys popsy,
(21:04):
they basically are a non entity. Are they even gonna
play lowry marketing? You know, like, how are they gonna
keep messing with that guy's career?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I mean they need him to bounce back so they
can trade him.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You gotta play.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I don't know the Jazz getting I mean they got nothing,
They had less than nothing, they got negative assets. They
had to give a second pick Colin Sexton and John Collins.
They got nothing. But oh now we have cap space.
We can stink and it's socially acceptable to stink, and
(21:39):
we're gonna lose a bunch of games and maybe pull
off some trades where we get some good stuff. But
I'm also confused about this, Like I know, having cap
space can help you out a lot, but we've seen
I feel like we saw the Nets bungle this entire offseason.
Turning that cap turning that cap space THENTO, Michael Porter
Junior and Terrence Man is still an abomination to me. Also,
they're gonna be They're gonna try to be as bad
(22:00):
as the Jazz. The Jazz moving those guys, I don't know. Also,
this is I was like unrelated do you think that
the Orlando Magic, who just agreed to a maximum extension
for Polo Bencarro, that if he makes super Max is
gonna be worth so much money? And they just of
course traded for Desmond Bane, who's getting paid a fair amount.
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Is there any regret from the Magic that they traded
four first round picks to pay Desmond Bane two hundred
million dollars when they could have just traded Cole Anthony
for Norm Powell? That?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I mean, I'm confused. From the Jazz side, they created
the space, but like they they picked up I mean,
maybe they like Kyle Anderson or whatever. Will Hardy coach
Kyle Anderson back forever ago on like the Spur Summer
League team? Pretty sure? But like Kyle Anderson has money
for next year, Cole Anthony's expiring money, it's legal. Cole
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Anthony's enough matching salary to bring in Norm Powell. If
you're the Magic, could you trade Desmond Bane for four
first round picks and Norm Powell? I don't think you could.
I don't think that. I don't think you can go
back the other way. I mean, if you're the Magic,
would you would you rather have Colin Sexton and a
second round pick or Desmond bane in four first round
(23:32):
Like you spent four first round picks again. I think
the Magic is gonna be one of the best teams
in the East. I think Ben Carro is amazing, and
I think desim Baines is gonna be a great player
for the Magic. So it's hard to got amum. It's like, yeah,
he's really good. But what if you can have Anthony
Simon's and all your picks back, or what if you
(23:52):
could have Colin Sexton and all your picks back and
then you can still trade for other things.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Grizzlies did better and better on this deal as the
weeks go by.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Uh. As a Grizzlies fan, I'm sitting there thinking, all right,
we got rid of Desmond Bayane. We took a big,
significant step backwards. Unless summer League Gigi Jackson carries over
into the regular season.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
We're gonna keep praying for that. This is the second
summer in a row. We're like, wow, Ggi looks really
good playing bad players. Man, he's awesome when he plays
guys with stink. Yeah. Like, the Grizzlies took a step
back with trading away Desmond Bane. They still had to
preserve their cap space. They're still making moves. They traded
Jay Huff, They're still trying to work out the way
(24:38):
to pay Jaren the agreed upon money. And it's like,
or you also could not have done that and gotten
Norm Powell for free. Norm Powell. I can't get over
a guy who is a twenty point per game score
who shot forty percent for what a decade. Yeah, I
(24:58):
can't get over NBA T teams being like, I don't
want that. I'm good. Oh he wants to make he
wants to get paid again. Ah, that feels awkward for
our clubhouse. No way, man, Like you could take these
things into free agency. The Clippers, I'm I'm lost from
their perspective because Nordon Powell was so important to them
(25:22):
last year, providing that shooting that they just lacked everywhere else. Yeah,
it wasn't Aaron Gordon that dominated them in Game seven.
It was James Harden being garbage. I mean it was
a little a little bit of this, a little of that. Yeah,
not having scoring wings. I mean I liked them getting
Brook Lopez to come off the bench. You know, that's
(25:44):
I think it was a room exception. That's good contract,
you know, to block some shots and hit some threes
back up Zubach. But to go with another big when
you already have like Derek Jones Junior, he's not a
he's like a poor essentially. And then Kawhi, I mean,
it's always the health stuff with Kawhi getting rid of
Norm Powell for John Collins.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
What if John Collins goes like eighteen and ten, he's
going I mean he might theoretically it could be fine,
but I don't see how swapping out Norm Powell for
that John Collins, it doesn't make sense to me. I
think you've got to be bigger than they were last year,
and that was a problem for them against the Nuggets.
They weren't big enough and they got bigger.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well. I mean, also part of this, the other shoe
that's supposed to drop, is maybe this means they get
Bradley beal right, And this is another thing where I'm worried.
I'm just responding to other people's opinions.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I feel like this is more news and reporting that
you're responding to to.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
But what I want to say, what I'm responding to,
I feel like for a while there I'm like, Bradley
Beal is not bad at basketball, guys, right, He's like
everyone talks about him like he's bad, and maybe he
just doesn't have the hunger. I mean, of course there's
no dog in him, but like, man, beautiful score, unbelievable
jump shot, the guy still incredibly efficient. You could do
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much worse if we're talking about what NBA players that
I would like to have, Like Bradley Beal can play basketball.
The one hundred and ten million dollars, no, no trade clause,
that was the issue.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But so I felt that way. But now if if
the Clippers are like, oh, it's okay, we're losing norm power,
we're getting Bradley Beal, now I have to veer off
and be like, no, no, no, not too bad. Pals better
than Bradley Beal? Yeah yeah, by a good stretch.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Sure is he better than John Collins and Bradley Beal?
I still think, yes, I you need more guys.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Maybe, I mean, maybe maybe that's an argument. Maybe Chris
Paul's coming home to play your twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I don't think so. Back on the clip, I don't
think that would go against what the te we're doing, right, like,
let's get an old guy who's small.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
You know, they need dribblers, they need shooting.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
They do, they need shooters.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
And maybe John Collins. Maybe those three point numbers are
going to be in a minute, maybe the four or five.
Everybody going big again. It's gonna work out. It isn't.
It isn't crushing for the Clippers because they did. Of course,
they created cap space in the following summer. They're gonna
have a ton of it. I still don't know why
you couldn't just keep Norm Powell. I think he's a
better player than John Collins. Just keep him. Go into
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free agency. You're gonna be that opt If you're gonna
be that awesome. Maybe Norm Powell wants to come back,
and if he doesn't, good, place him with something else. Uh,
I don't know the I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Also, I mean he also at the deadline could have
been a guy. But the thing is, it's you know
that extension.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, I mean, I don't go back to the heat.
I don't know what the heat are as far as like,
I don't know how far you get with Bam and
Tyler Hero and Andrew Wiggins and Norm Powell, like they
should theoretically be competitive, But I just think this gift
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blows my mind a little bit, where it's like that's
a negative salary and an expiring guy, and they're like,
do you want do you want a guy who's better
than everybody else on your team outside of maybe Tyler Hero?
I mean, I mean and bam. But still, I don't know.
I'm blown away by this. I'm blown away by this gift.
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Why do the Heat get another gift? Feel like they're
always getting gifts. Only the Heat, the Clippers, I'm confused by.
The Jazz is just like, what's the point of your team?
They're not taking I mean, non non rhetorical, what's the
point this? Only this is only allowed in a league
where it where it's accepted to not win, where it's like,
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oh yeah, let's have let's have a few teams every year.
They're just like, you know what, we're not gonna play
this year. We probably did enough on the Norm Powell trade.
I can't like, like I would like to bet on
these teams using their trade exceptions.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know, Utah is probably gonna let it expire.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, I mean they have a whole year and again
they could take.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It back, take a bad contract, you can.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Even take back the I mean, what also, these bad
contracts are going away? What kind of world is it
where DeAndre Ayton, Damian Lillard and apparently Bradley Beal just
those contracts are now gone.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, remains what's gonna be our new worst contract until
it's Jaron, I.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Mean, it's it's gonna be whatever Tyler Hero signs next. Probably,
I'm man, I'm a little lost with the salary numbers,
and maybe this is a whole nother discussion for another day.
I know they're huge, and I know the percentage of
I know the percentages are staying the same, But I
also feel like if we're going to have a hard cap,
which is what apparently we've decided we have. If we're
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going to have a hard cap, eventually some NBA teams
and they can't all agree to do this because that's collusion.
But some teams are going to be like, listen, we
can't actually pay you Tyler Hero forty million dollars because
that's ridiculous, Like we have to be able to find
more other good players. We can't pay our fifty thus players.
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It's even like the Ben Caro thing. I mean, Ben
Caro should track to be hopefully a top twenty NBA player.
If he's not there already, you know he's gonna be
in contention for all NBA as long as it say's healthy.
But there's so many guys where it's like, all right,
seventy million, Like if we're literally hard capped, we can't
give you a third or thirty five percent essentially what
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this number is if the cap doesn't go up like
we think or whatever. I don't know, it's just hard.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, it went up seven percent and eight it went
up seven percent for next season, and the standard rays
in a lot of these contracts is eight percent. So
you're already negative if you're if you're a team as
far as like how you've managed your salary cap for
a lot of these deals.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Sung last summer, you even see like I mean like
bam Adebio's deal where it's like teams talk about, you know,
how the contracts are too much for like this guy's
making thirty or forty, but like isn't like band's making
over fifty and once you start getting like fifty sixty
per a guy, and I mean again, if the cap
keeps going up and eventually the salary cap is to eighty.
You're like, oh, okay, fine, we're now Devin Booker is
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making you know, less than a fourth of the luxury
tax line. But if it doesn't at all, it just
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
The numbers are too much, right, Like I don't want
to be the guy who get all that moneys much money.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, yeah, we both want the players to get all
that money. But honestly, it starts being like, all right,
Jokic can get ninety million, right or whatever it is. Uh,
you're honest, you can get ninety even Devin Booker, Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I don't think that much. Every six to seven person
should make forty million dollars a year. That yeah, just
hey congratulations you're six seven, But you know how about twelve?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah? Or maybe we're thinking about this wrong. We should
just applaud all these contracts and be like, yes, half
that's going to tell.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
We should not We should tax those contracts heavier than
we do, just like we should taxt those billionaire owners
a lot more too.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Anyways, Dave, let's uh, let's take.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Let's get that salary cap down to a hundred million.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Let's take a quick break, and we'll come back and
we'll talk about DeAndre eight into the Lakers. Oh, Dave,
I teased DeAndre eight into the Lakers. But going back
to the Bradley Beal thing, the thing we don't know
yet is whether or not the Suns are gonna wave
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and stretch. As far as I can tell, that isn't
out there. I I am on board with what the
Suns have done this summer. If they do a buyout,
that's not a waving stretch. If they literally eat the contract,
I'm like, you know what, I think you're gonna be
all right. I don't think yeah, I don't think you're
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gonna be great, but I don't think it's as bad
as some people think. Here I go responding to other
people's opinions. Again. I don't think they're a shoe in
for the bottom of the West if they have a
healthy Devin Booker. I mean, if they get something from
Mark Williams and Model Watch, they get something there. The
rest of the roster, unless they go full tear down,
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which they could still. I still assume they're going to
salary dump a Royce O'Neill or a Grayson Allen or
something like that. But I think they could be all
right with Jalen Green and Dylan Brooks and Devin Booker
and just some guys. That's to me, like, that's a
squad that's honestly, them in the Heat might have a
very competitive seven game series, even if the Heat did
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get a free gift to Norm Powell. So I don't
think it's catastrophic. And again, as a Grizzlies fan, I
wanted to be catastrophic because of that pick swap the
Grizzes got in the Desert Bane deal. So I don't
think it's catastrophic unless they But then if they stretch
beal which will save them, so it'll save Matteshubia so
much money. Then I'm like, oh, no, that you've you've
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hurt yourself. You've now given one what is it salary
ninth Well, but I'm saying like you've you've given away
starter money in dead money, on your year, on your
on your year over year cap sheet. I don't love that.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
The Bookery thing puts them in a in a really
bad position because if Booker asks out, you have to
move them, But that's not it.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I don't think it's a terrible position necessarily because he
still has value. It's just the like he still should
have intense, massive value even with whatever money you give him,
I meanranchise several more years of I think, being just
one of the best two guards in the NBA. H.
So we'll see now, Dave. The Lakers did get their
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center in DeAndre Ayden. Uh. This was basically it was
rumored from the first time that the news came out
that the Trailblazers we're gonna buy him out. They were like, oh,
let's connect the agents. His agent is Luca, not just agent.
The Lakers have a glaring, gaping lawing hole at center,
(36:14):
and h and Aidan would make sense there. But now
that has happened.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I love the Ayton signing for them. I love it
for Aiden. If he wants to play, if he wants
to play hard. This guy is extremely talented. It's not
it's not about skills, it's not you know, it's a
style of play that's a problem. Right. He loves to
get into like a jump hook kind of fading away
instead of duncating when he ought to sometimes And not
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that it's just so easy to dunk all the time,
but sometimes you gotta do it. But it's the showing
up with the right with sort of the right like
aggressive mentality. I think, actually, this is gonna be a
good thing for everybody. He gets to play with Luca,
and I think Luca is gonna make his life very easy.
Theoretically he gets to be around Lebron, and I mean
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that's never a bad thing. I don't think, in my opinion,
when you get to see a guy who's you know,
got the career longevity and obviously has taken it pretty seriously,
I don't know. I mean, I think it's good. I
think we're gonna see maybe him expand his game some.
I think with the Lakers, like JJ Redick being just
a fresher coaching voice, it might, it might open things up.
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I just I don't know, we'll see. I'm optimistic about it.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I am also, I think reasonably optimistic about it. I
think as far as landing spots for Aighton, I mean
it's ideal. I mean, they're gonna get him easy buckets,
They're gonna get him enough looks. There's not anyone to
compete for for those minutes, and you hope that he'll
end up playing more games than he has in previous seasons.
(37:51):
And his downsides, the foibles shouldn't be. I think maybe
it will be more magnified because of the La situation
and more eyeballs on it. Maybe JJ Redick and Luca
not just will be screaming at him the whole time,
and also Lebron will be so mad at him. But
it's I feel like the situation it works out just fine.
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I think my biggest question now is will the Lakers
also go get Marvin Bagley so they can have the first, second,
and third picks.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Well, they're just setting it up to trade for Jared.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I mean you could have one through four. I feel
like I feel like Trey Young.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
What a great fit Trey Young would be next to Luca.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I mean a Luca for Trey Young straight up. I mean, sorry,
Lebron for Tray Young straight up. I might get it done.
I don't interesting no, but seriously, how many all right,
Dave Marvin Bagley free agent? You can get him for
the minimum?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I think probably?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Honestly, why wouldn't they another big guy he can put
the ball in the basket. Mo Bomba with the sixth pick, yeah,
bring him back? Uh? I mean Colin Sexon was given away.
That was the eighth pick of that draft.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Honestly, I thought the Lakers might have been a Colin
Sexton team. They could you use a guy like that
coming off the bench.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I'm going back now to my I don't understand why
no teams want Colin Sexton or Norm Powell, like they're
the entire point of the game is getting the ball
in the hoop, and those are Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
The new buzz term, which is so funny because it's
not like a thing but or it's not a buzz term.
The weakest link theory you know about that, the new
NBA theory that it's no longer about having the best guy,
it's about not having the worst guy, and usually guys
like Colin Sexton. Like, let's say you get to the playoffs. Now,
I don't know why a lot of these teams care
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about like what happens in the finals because unrealistic. But
you get to the playoffs and Colin Sexton's on the court,
they are gonna attack him. Yeah, and he doesn't. He
doesn't do enough on the other end to justify what
you have to do to bend the defense to protect him.
It's not Jalen Brunson, you know what I mean. Jalen
Brunson is a superior offensive player. I would argue he's
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a way worse defensive player, but you know, better branding
for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Let's answer ol listener, submit a question, Dave, this is
about the Lakers. This is the croissant question.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Nah, any questions?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yes? Are you going to finish that croissant?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Knock yourself out?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Drew wants to know if Lebron is upset the Lakers
are not trying to win now, shouldn't Luca be upset
the Lakers are not trying to win now?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I don't think Luca's that guy. I mean, not the
he doesn't want to win now, But I don't think
he's the type of guy who's gonna put things out
in the media. Okay, but he also just got there,
so maybe he also feels like, hey, let me just
see how it goes. I mean, this guy is going
to be the premiere free agent in the NBA and
(41:25):
not that long. You know, if he goes to free agency,
he basically could choose whatever team he wants to go to.
So you know, if I'm him, I'm just you know,
let's read the room a little bit. Let's see how
things are looking. Got new ownership probably gonna wind up
with new management, just because that's how things work.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I also think part of it is what I mean,
there's a couple of things. What have the Lakers not
done that they should have done so far? Yes, right,
that's harder to say. I mean, like, if you could
have turned to the Jared Vanderbilt contract into some of
these guys that have been given away that we've been
talking about, like Gabe Vincent, Like, all right, yeah, that
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would have been great. I mean, frankly, if they could
have gotten those players, yes, that would have been good.
But I mean, not to talk down to Drew. There's
a big difference between Luca's age and Lebron's age. Yeah,
and Luca's like, I don't need you to trade away
all the future picks if I'm going to be here
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for this one season, and Lebron's like, let's be honest,
I'm pretty old. I would like to go ahead and
win before Bronni James gets waived slash I retire, and
so you know, it's much smaller one to do. I
do think, though, to give more weight and respect to
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Drew and his question, there is kind of the thought that, like, hey, Lakers,
you do have Lebron who still is good, and you
have Luca. Maybe the foot should be slightly more on
the gas. I mean, they did work out a slightly
fishy thing to get down Drayton. They didn't work that out, Okay, guys,
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credit repetitors duet down them. And also Jake Larebia day one,
they stole him from the Kings.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Also, there's didn't have a lot of realistic options though,
Like it's not like number one, it's not like free
agency is free agency from years ago, and there weren't
a ton of realistic options. It was all going to
be trade. I mean most of the big additions in
my opinion, you know, like it's been through trades. They
just don't have the assets for it.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah. Also there's like they could you know, like there's
not doing anything, and then there's like actually actively making
your team worse, like we've like the Lakers hadn't done
a lot, but I mean they got eight and in
La Rabia, like the Warriors have done literally nothing right.
Warriors they did. They did lose Looney. You can't replace
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Gary Payton, Gary Peyton. They're just not going to resign him.
But like I thought that was because Gary Payton was like,
I'm gonna go get paid, but he hasn't gotten a contract.
The Bucks have to get Gary Payton, to have every Gary, Gary, Trent,
Gary Harris, Gary Payton. Those are three Garys right now
in the NBA, except two out of the three. Listen, Giannis,
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I know we waved and stretched Dame, but we got
you every Gary, not some of the Garys, all the Garys.
I think that's a good pit. That's a convincing pitch.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
The saddest part about about the Dame thing and Sonny
Miles Turners that it killed my great fake trade. I
know where Chris Middleton wounded back on the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I mean, like the Cavaliers, you got Lonzo Ball, but
like are you are you? You got rid of Hyjerome
and you've brought in Larry Nance Junior and Lonzo Ball,
two of the most injured players there are. I mean
Larry Nancy purely vibes guy. Possibly. I love that guy
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when he's healthy. Fuck, great, great player, I think works great. Yeah,
if he's healthy. Lonzo and Larry nts a healthy I
mean also, like it could be worse, Lakers, you could
have had like the Kings off season the Bulls off season.
I mean the Bulls have done the Bulls bad. Have
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looked at their squad and said, you know what, let's
just get Isaaca Carro and call it a day. Let's
just let's ad let's add Isaac at Caro. Let's take
on more money into future seasons. Let's pay to Trey Jones.
Why wouldn't we They.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Haven't paid Josh Giddy yet.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
They haven't paid Josh Skinny. Honestly, that's uh, that's a
market in in their ledger.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
For mead job.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I mean, just abuse the restrict free agency system. Don't
pay them. Uh. The Kings. The Kings not very good.
They're off season. Hey, let's uh, let's get Dennis Shrewder
and Dario Sarich.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Call it a day, and we're not going to extend Levine.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Nope, I mean I say called a day. Of course,
Summer League is where things happen when all the people
get together in Vegas, everyone is, all the gems are
there and more things are going to come out something.
I feel like something has to happen with the Kings.
It's like you're really going into the year with like
there's like.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Almost trade for lowry marketing.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I mean somebody, Yeah, I don't know who would I
will say the oh another team I would include in this.
I still am so lukewarm to negative on the Piston summer.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Not been a great one in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I mean you lose Dinnis Shrewder, which is not often right,
like like he was useful to that team. Maybe the
Tim Hardaway junior for could Robinson. That's honestly, that's equal
as far as you can't really depend on their shooting.
Those guys anymore, but like they also can eat innings
(47:17):
for you. They're fine guys that have around nice professionals. Yeah,
the Karis Lavert addition, it's like, okay, it's final, Yeah,
it's fine. Uh. The Raptors just paying Yaka pernle.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
There. Have you looked at how much money their starting
lineup makes? The steaks you were talking about Tyler hero
making forty Emanuel quickly I believe is he making thirty five?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah, it's like it's over thirty for a lot. I mean,
they they're they're pivot from Siakam and og An Andobi
to the squad they have now is I'm and maybe
MASSI shouldn't have been fired but also I disagree.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
If you're going on track record, man, get it. Yeah, Like,
I mean, he he hung out for a long time.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
What have you done for me late?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
You know, credit for trading for Danny Green and Kawhi
Leonard and winning a title?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah? For what was that? It was?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
It was for a it was for Yaka Perl and
uh and one pick or two picks traded.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I mean they trade then they they trade for like
the Ocha Baji they traded to pick they got Kelly
olennok in that. Uh, I don't know. I can't anyways,
Thanks for the question, Drew. Very good question. Oh here's
another real quick question. Bobby Peyton wants to know now
that end of the quarter heaves don't count for player stats,
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will yok be top five and three point percentage? Wasn't
he wasn't Jokich top five last year? I think? So
how close? How close was he? I got a cut
up now, Yeah he lost. Jokic lost a significant number
of his three bunch of percentage because he took like
twenty heaves last year and I think it only made
one or two. Yeah, that it's a great question. Uh yeah,
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I'm just gonna say yes, I'm looking it up right now. Leaders.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
You know, somebody made a super cut on YouTube of
all of Jokic's heaves from last season. So if you
guys want some summer watching.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
The baseball throwing is just the I don't know so
like the flat footed Oh, Jokic finished eighteenth. Oh he
trailed off. Oh he finished behind Norman Powell, who was
available for free.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Man. Norm would have been good in Denver.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Man, let's see all these all these players. Three point
shooting isn't what it used to be, Dave, the three
is it over? You got Torrian Prince was third, No
market for him. Ty Jerome was fourth, he got let
go vat Crisgy for Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Fifth, Okay, hardly enough to qualify, although he signed that
shooting the shooter is the shooting.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Feenth. Bryce sensible, He's a bucket. We've always liked Bryce.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
That's right, that's right. Bryce is gonna go off at
Summer League again this year.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
This guy, Malik Beasley was nineteenth. There's no interest in him.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Never heard of him. Yeah, would you take a bet
on him if you were?
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Oh Man, Good job, Dave. All right, thanks everybody for
the questions. You want your questions submitted on air a
Patron supporter do that over at patreon dot com slash
Fast break Breakfast. And with that, Dave, I think we
can up no awards ceremony this week. I haven't gone
through line by line and tabulated the Summer League performances.
There's no way to search for them otherwise, so apologies there.
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I've done it in previous years, but it wasn't in
the cards for me this year. So thanks everybody for
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Right. Welcome two Fast Break Breakfast NBA podcast. My name
is Keith Parrish, and I'm here once again with my buddy,
through the miracle of computer phone, I'm here with Dave Defoor. Dave,
Happy summer League. How are you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Happy summer League to you.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm great, thanks man.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, you know, it's been fun to have some of
these games on. They're good background noise, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
That's exactly what they are. I'm not gonna put both
screens on and like total mainline them. I'm not gonna
watch closely. I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I can't tell you anything that's happened.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I can't tell you anything either for admission. I've watched
snippets here and there and two entire Grizzlies games, so
I did not shirk my responsibility as a Grizzlies podcaster,
as a general NBA podcaster, I don't have anything to
say say about the Edgecombe. I didn't. I haven't seen it.
(01:04):
I saw Khalil Ware had a bunch of great highlights,
and I'm like, why is he playing?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Right? So wow, he needs to play. He needs to play.
These guys need to play. It's important. It's an important
step in their process.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm with you. If you remember last Summer League breakout,
NBA stars Scottie Pippen Junior and Jake Laarravia both played.
I've heard Jake Laaravia is the signing of the summer.
I've heard I've heard some wild things from national podcasters
about Jake Laarravia, and I consider myself to be on
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the forefront of Jake Laaravia's support. I've seen some things
where they're like, you know, you know what people aren't
talking about. You know who's way better than Dorian Finney
Smith Jake Laravia, And I'm like, what, Larious? Come again?
I mean again? I I was upset the Grizzlies to
(02:00):
clined his fourth year option, yeah, saying he's better than
one of the five guys that JJ Reddick put in
a basket in a playoff game last year. I was like,
I mean, if you catch him on the right moment.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I love how often this show becomes my NBA media
confessional where I get to admit all the things that
I find silly. But that's definitely the one, and like,
come on, man, we don't part.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Of me wonders. Dave is like, would it not be better? Perhaps,
I mean, of course life would be better and maybe
if yous had social media, none of us access to
other opinions. And even I mean social media has basically
done it. It's gotten me involved in basketball, Like it
was all social media that got me involved in doing this.
So like there's been always positive. I would have never
(02:45):
met you without social media. Like, so like there's so
many relationships I have through social media. But I also
feel like when I podcast at about basketball, so much
of it feels like I'm responding to other things I'm hearing,
which is the.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Whole podcast that just talk about stuff that happens on
another podcasts. Man, Like there's a real weird It's like,
you know, this this very insular and inside baseball thing.
It's kind of like like there are times where on
on our show we'll have like our beat writers, right,
and our guys are great. They're really good that it's
(03:18):
never the oh man, you know, I had this crazy
flight to get to you know, summer League. It sucked,
you know what I mean. They're always like happy to
be there. Yeah, And that makes a big difference. But
like I do feel like the and part of it
is when you do this every single day. You can
get bored with it, and you do sometimes want to
(03:38):
talk about the food you ate at the arena or whatever,
and that's all fine and good, but man, I try
to skip that stuff as much as possible because it
a little bit too inside baseball, and it's like, what
are we here for?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like bad trades? Yes, I'm I'm here to recognize bad
shooting performances and to make fun of trades. I disagree.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Without the Utah Jazz now.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Shocking moves, I am yeah, I know. I want to
save it. Akaream of Wheat, Worst of Week coming up later.
Everything that Utah Jazz do, every explanation. Oh, speaking of
the Utah Jazz, here's my one summer league opinion about
a non Grizzlies player, Ace Bailey. Were's a big baggy
(04:30):
T shirt under his jersey? Who's the last good big
baggy T shirt guy? Something of like he played well
against the Grizzlies, but also, as my cat totally disrupts
the camera once again, a little gift for you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Who is.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Who's the last good big baggy T shirt guy?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I mean, I go back to thinking about like Scotty
Thurman from Arkansas playing in college.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I think, man, why are these NBA guys wearing T shirts?
What are we doing here? I don't know the baggy
T shirt. I don't know who's the best baggy T
shirt play.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I like like he he played well in this one
summer league game. I watched him start to finish. But
also I looked at like his something about his posture
and uniform and I'm like, eh, a bust or something.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
With Jason Williams, like white chocolate. He wear a T shirt.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Guy, he wore a T shirt for a real long time. Yeah,
that's that's that's a good call. And I'm not talking
about his whole depot shirt he wore in that one
social media post. That's why social media is good. Before
social media, these things just showed up on like Yahoo ball.
Don't why or whatever I was there for that. Look
at this funny picture of Dirk Novinsky at a party
(05:50):
at like a sorority party. Anyways, on that note, Dave,
let's do our breakfast. It's been a while. I had
a smooth the we're talking banana plain yogurt. Yeah, lots
of ice, A couple of carrots, some raspberries, some strawberries.
Put it all together very nice. A little secret. I've
(06:12):
also started just a splash, just a hint. We we
bought some like very sugary limeaid.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
For is there any other kind?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well, there's probably no other kind. We had this limemaid
for some party like pid people over and and just
I'm not talking about I'm talking about a splash, just
a splash of the I mean, yes, the lime flavor
and a little sugar. Never heard of smoothie, but yeah
it was.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You know, we had this place in Richmond growing up
called Bill's Barbecue. There you go, it was over It
was near the Diamond where the Richmond Braves, the Triple
a affiliate for the for the Atlanta Braves played and
they had a a famous limemaid. It was like people
would just go there. Oh I'm gonna get a limemaid.
That's it. But it takes you know, you know lime jello,
like the old school jello molds that we grew up
(06:59):
in the a with right favor.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, no sourness whatsoever, no right.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
That is what it tasted and looked like. It was
like they just poured the liquid without the the collagen
or whatever you know causes the the jello, the gelatin,
not collagen, uh the no gelatin. But it just like
poured over ice. That's what it tastes like.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
You're talking about. You're just drinking snow cone juice.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Essentially, that's a snow cone serrup Richmond, Virginia. You know,
we're ahead of our time when it comes to like,
you know, pre diabetes.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It's like it's like the let's talk about a fast
food now staple of fast breakath fast break breakfast episodes past,
like Sonic used to have. Sonic America's Drive In used
to have these like limeaids and lemonade slush things that
actually had the sensation that there might have been some
fruit in this. It was in fact sous and acidic
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and it had a little bit of paul. I mean,
obviously was a sugary dessert drink. Can do a milkshake
slushy thing, but it had the it wasn't just snow
cone serrup. It wasn't just bright neon yellow thing. Where
now that's all it is to me, don't they I
don't even fake like you gotta fake to me. I
need some of that sourness in the drink. If we're
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just talking candy. I mean, give me a lie mic
and Ike a limon Mike and Ike. I need no,
I need no.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Say fine totally RFK, keep your hands off Keith's candy.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, bring bring back those rustle stover jelly beans.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
We're gonna ryt. Look when we're using crush ladybugs to
put you know, red on candy, people are gonna ry it.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
It's natural, that's.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Good for you. What's in that spin drift?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Oh, I'm drinking a fruit punch spin drift, No Island punch.
I don't even know what is a pomegranate? Maybe passion fruit,
guava and orange. It's delicious. It is not the zerru
It is not one of the zero calorie ones, which
makes me let lets me know, maybe it's not the
best for me. Like, it does have some sugar in it.
(09:09):
Should I not drink eight of them in a day
or ten of you know? I feel like I'm hydrating.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Wait, that water has sugar in it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I mean it has no added sugar, but it has
it has enough fruit juice in there where it's like
two grams of sugar, which is well, it says it's
nothing nothing.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I don't know, Okaith two sugar instead of you know,
just water.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
How much fruit am I supposed to have it a day?
Delivered through a delicious spodling water reach out Spindriff. We
need a sponsor, Dave. Have you had what's the last
non oatmeal breakfast?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You had? Oh? The last non oatmeal? You know what?
I went out the other day over the weekend, had
a fantastic blueberry waffle. I mean this thing was like
filuberries really really sounds great, delicious, eate it with no uh,
no syrup or anything. I mean it was just it
(10:03):
was like almost like a cake, like a blueberry cake.
It was delicious. That was probably that. That's the last
non oatmeal. I eat oatmeal every day though it's pretty good,
especially like now I've got a bunch of travel coming up.
You know, like Vegas is going to be a nightmare
for me. Let me go complain about my cool job, right,
I mean I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean I'm gonna be eat a lot of hotel parfes,
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be trying to figure out
where my where I get my oatmeal, But you know,
I try to I try to definitely lock in on
the oatmeal before I'm not home.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know, I'm just realizing I don't think on last
week's episode. On my return from my trip to Disneyland
and San Diego, I mean, I I had some amazing
breakfasts I probably should have at least really yeah, I bet.
I mean met up with with Power listener longtime supporter
Jeff Siegel. We had some Churo's in in San Diego,
also some Bignet's same spot. I did the ordering, not him. Uh,
(10:58):
I was like, just give us all your We had
this like it was place had like a appetizers of
We actually were looking for a walk in and out
place because my family we were going to sit see,
you know, we were headed towards you to sightsee. We're like,
let's grab a quick breakfast. Meet up with Jeff and
he recommended a place. It was all table seating, but
it was it worked out perfectly. They had an open
table and uh, the appetizer options were like Beignet's and Enturohs.
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I'm like, yeah, we'll take one of each, and they're like,
doe anything else. I'm like, I don't think so that
sounds like a lot. And so yeah, we powered through
it was very very good.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Anyways, those were our breakfast. After our breakfast, we moved
to our breakfast in bed. Apologies, this is my chance
to make right, but I'm had gotten wrong in a
previous episode. It's frequently the first time I talked about
the NBA. We've mentioned Ace Bailey already. It's pretty good.
Jake Lavia not bad. Uh, Dave, I guess I should apologize.
Maybe we should both apologize. To the Indiana Pacers. We
made fun of them for finding a way to dodge
(11:56):
the luxury tax by not keeping Miles Turner. According to
Kevin Pritchard, they were stunned he walked away. They absolutely
were going to pay the luxury tax if only this
specific thing hadn't happened. So my apology. I'm sure they
would have actually cracked open the check book for the
first time in twenty years.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We'll never know.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
We'll never know.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It's the beauty of coming out after and saying, you know,
we were going to do this thing, oh and we
just couldn't.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It was gonna make an aggressive offer. I mean, I
don't think I've talked about it on the show. Maybe
on a Patren only episode. Tried to buy a house.
I was stunned when they didn't take my offer, because
you know, I thought they were going to negotiate. I said, well,
here's the number. Talk to me, and I think Kevin
Pritchard said to him, Mouse Turner, here's a number, talk
(12:45):
to me. Then, what do you mean someone offered more?
What do you mean I didn't meet you here asking price?
What do you mean I came in not where you
were hoping. I was stunned. Kevin Pritcher was stunned. I'm
sure they would have paid.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I have no problem with it. By the way, I
have no problem with letting Miles Turner walk, okay, especially
in this scenario. This is the only scenario in which
it makes any sense. I just don't I think that
with Haliburton out for a year, you look at just
Miles Turner is going to be thirty, you know, by
the time like they're looking to compete again, which is
after a year maybe, And that's if Haliburton comes back
(13:21):
and is you know, is Haliburton right away, which most
guys aren't coming back from from an Achilles. So I think,
like it's a smart I understand like there's backlash, but
it's kind of the smarter move and doesn't it doesn't
hamstring them long term.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I recognize that it could be the smarter move. Yeah,
like part of me, it bothers me because I'm like,
we let them go for nothing, and you generally shouldn't
let an asset walk for nothing. It helps it, I
mean it might long term hurt the Bucks. Maybe you
could argue it short term it helps the Bucks. If
it keeps you honest, that helps. That probably helps the Bucks.
(13:58):
So I don't love it, but I do want understand that, hey,
paying centers, unless they're jokic, maybe not the best thing
to do with your resources. You absolutely can perhaps recreate
in the aggregate Miles Turner with some combination of Tony Bradley,
Thomas Bryant, Jay Huff, James Wiseman, and Isaiah Jackson. I
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think is that five guys, So maybe you can recreate
somewhat in the aggregate, and then you do have maybe
more options to figure out the rest of your roster
once Halliburton returns in the twenty six twenty seven season.
So all right, maybe it won't hurt them two maybe, uh,
although maybe they could have still competed, you know, even
(14:43):
without Halliburton.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That's the thing is like you.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Have you have Edgy and TJ McConnell. Oh, I was
just mentioning the point yards. Yeah, obviously you have Siakam,
you have a number one A has been really good.
You'll give maybe there'll be more opportunity for Benediic Matheren
defined his role to continue developing his role. The East
stinks out loud. You absolutely could be quite good. There
(15:10):
could have been a situation, could you. I can imagine
another situation where the game seven of the finals next
year and they're like, Halbert, you want to play? You
haven't played yet?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Oh my god, you want to give it a go.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Now, Dave, let's jump. Let's jump past steaking egg's best
thing to the cream of wheat worst thing. This is
I feel like an untoured trade for many of these
parties I'm talking about. I'm talking about the John Collins,
Norm Powell, Kyle Anderson Kevin Love three way trade which
(15:45):
came out on Monday. I don't love any team's involvement
in this, except for the heat, of course, for the heat.
This is easy. This is an absolute home run. This
is an incredible trade they were given Norm Powell for free.
(16:10):
This is the team, this heat team. They looked dead
and buried, like they backed themselves into a corner the
way the year ended for them, losing Jimmy Butler. You
still have that Terry Rezier contract. Andrew Wiggins seemed more
disinterested than normal. They got humiliated in the playoffs. They
(16:35):
missed out on their lottery pick because they made the
playoffs to have that historic four game sweep to the Cavaliers.
But all of a sudden, Duncan Robinson's like, I'm good,
you don't need to pay me, and they're like, oh,
that's amazing, great, thank you. How do we compliment you?
(16:55):
Thank you Detroit Pistons for helping us out of that one.
And then this they didn't have to include the Terry Rogier.
They can still use that theoretically for matching salary on
the line. They gave up Kevin Love you know, maybe
gonna get bought out in Utah. I don't know. Kyle Anderson,
whom I love, Dave Kyle Anderson, whom I adore, Probably
(17:18):
a negative contract. He's got two years, eighteen million left.
No one wants to have him on the books for
nine million. The season after this one, right. They got
off of that, and they got a guy who was
in the conversation for an All Star spot in the
Western Conference, Norm Powell, twenty point per game scorer, he
(17:38):
made three threes per game last year. He's one of
the best three point shooters in the NBA. They got
him for free for matching salary. This is a they
can't keep getting away with this. I'm stunned. Do you
do you think the Heat were confused when they were like, wait.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
What wait? What? How did I get this?
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Is he? Yeah? Did something happen to him?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I mean, he's got to He's up for a contract, right,
So every player.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Is up for a contract in like two years.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And you know, from what I've heard, Clippers wanted to
get bigger. We got a match up with the Rockets. Man, Well,
they're also thinking about the Nuggets. You know, Aaron Gordon
was a real problem in that. I mean, you know
that put back dunk is probably the biggest highlight, right,
but Aaron Gordon dominated the Clippers in that series, and
(18:34):
they feel like John Collins is a guy who could
do that. I wonder how are they gonna get through
the couple of months that Kawhi is gonna miss you
know what I mean, Like when they need a big three,
who's the guy that's gonna hit it. That's who norm
Pal's been for him, and they just have no shooting.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Now, no shooting. That's a much bigger deal than Aaron Gordon. Also,
can we go back to the point where you relayed
that they might think that John Collins is gonna help
them stop Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Work in the glass, I guess John Collins.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
John Collins's stats have been really good on Utah. Yeah,
there is. I actually got into this because I was
curious about him as a potential option for the Grizzlies.
Once there's a weird split where his shooting numbers skyrocket
once the games don't matter, like like like first half
of every year, I'm kind of bad. And then you're like, oh,
(19:34):
he's working his way back from a hand thing. He's
working his way back from a wrist thing. And then
it's like, or this man loves garbage time stats. He
loves shooting thirty nine percent from three in games that
don't mean a lick. So I don't know. I mean,
maybe he will help out. I don't I don't hate it.
From the Jazz side. Okay, you dumped you dumped John
(19:58):
Collins for a future around pick and you created this
huge trade exception. I mean, I do hate it in
an idealized world. Of course, we don't live in an
idealized world, you know. I hate it, Dave, the entire
concept that you can get rid of good players for hey,
now we can accrue bad contracts for the next year
(20:21):
and pick up future assets. And the fact that this
is somehow socially acceptable, that this is lauded, this is
a accepted way to build a contender. It's still crazy
to me. I still feel insane when I hear people
getting like the fact that fans are like, oh great,
that's awesome, love it. John cons was gonna be on
our next contender. It's like, You're never gonna.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I mean, it gives them free time, right, like you
don't have to watch the time. I don't have to
watch the Utah Jazz this year. Thank you, Danny Ainge
that the Utah Jazz are going to be a team
that I just get on thanking. I will not need
to watch them at all. I'll catch them when they
play other teams here and there, but I'll probably just
flip it off unless unless one of these young guys popsy,
(21:04):
they basically are a non entity. Are they even gonna
play lowry marketing? You know, like, how are they gonna
keep messing with that guy's career?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I mean they need him to bounce back so they
can trade him.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You gotta play.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I don't know the Jazz getting I mean they got nothing,
They had less than nothing, they got negative assets. They
had to give a second pick Colin Sexton and John Collins.
They got nothing. But oh now we have cap space.
We can stink and it's socially acceptable to stink, and
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we're gonna lose a bunch of games and maybe pull
off some trades where we get some good stuff. But
I'm also confused about this, Like I know, having cap
space can help you out a lot, but we've seen
I feel like we saw the Nets bungle this entire offseason.
Turning that cap turning that cap space THENTO, Michael Porter
Junior and Terrence Man is still an abomination to me. Also,
they're gonna be They're gonna try to be as bad
(22:00):
as the Jazz. The Jazz moving those guys, I don't know. Also,
this is I was like unrelated do you think that
the Orlando Magic, who just agreed to a maximum extension
for Polo Bencarro, that if he makes super Max is
gonna be worth so much money? And they just of
course traded for Desmond Bane, who's getting paid a fair amount.
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Is there any regret from the Magic that they traded
four first round picks to pay Desmond Bane two hundred
million dollars when they could have just traded Cole Anthony
for Norm Powell? That?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I mean, I'm confused. From the Jazz side, they created
the space, but like they they picked up I mean,
maybe they like Kyle Anderson or whatever. Will Hardy coach
Kyle Anderson back forever ago on like the Spur Summer
League team? Pretty sure? But like Kyle Anderson has money
for next year, Cole Anthony's expiring money, it's legal. Cole
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Anthony's enough matching salary to bring in Norm Powell. If
you're the Magic, could you trade Desmond Bane for four
first round picks and Norm Powell? I don't think you could.
I don't think that. I don't think you can go
back the other way. I mean, if you're the Magic,
would you would you rather have Colin Sexton and a
second round pick or Desmond bane in four first round
(23:32):
Like you spent four first round picks again. I think
the Magic is gonna be one of the best teams
in the East. I think Ben Carro is amazing, and
I think desim Baines is gonna be a great player
for the Magic. So it's hard to got amum. It's like, yeah,
he's really good. But what if you can have Anthony
Simon's and all your picks back, or what if you
(23:52):
could have Colin Sexton and all your picks back and
then you can still trade for other things.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Grizzlies did better and better on this deal as the
weeks go by.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Uh. As a Grizzlies fan, I'm sitting there thinking, all right,
we got rid of Desmond Bayane. We took a big,
significant step backwards. Unless summer League Gigi Jackson carries over
into the regular season.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
We're gonna keep praying for that. This is the second
summer in a row. We're like, wow, Ggi looks really
good playing bad players. Man, he's awesome when he plays
guys with stink. Yeah. Like, the Grizzlies took a step
back with trading away Desmond Bane. They still had to
preserve their cap space. They're still making moves. They traded
Jay Huff, They're still trying to work out the way
(24:38):
to pay Jaren the agreed upon money. And it's like,
or you also could not have done that and gotten
Norm Powell for free. Norm Powell. I can't get over
a guy who is a twenty point per game score
who shot forty percent for what a decade. Yeah, I
(24:58):
can't get over NBA T teams being like, I don't
want that. I'm good. Oh he wants to make he
wants to get paid again. Ah, that feels awkward for
our clubhouse. No way, man, Like you could take these
things into free agency. The Clippers, I'm I'm lost from
their perspective because Nordon Powell was so important to them
(25:22):
last year, providing that shooting that they just lacked everywhere else. Yeah,
it wasn't Aaron Gordon that dominated them in Game seven.
It was James Harden being garbage. I mean it was
a little a little bit of this, a little of that. Yeah,
not having scoring wings. I mean I liked them getting
Brook Lopez to come off the bench. You know, that's
(25:44):
I think it was a room exception. That's good contract,
you know, to block some shots and hit some threes
back up Zubach. But to go with another big when
you already have like Derek Jones Junior, he's not a
he's like a poor essentially. And then Kawhi, I mean,
it's always the health stuff with Kawhi getting rid of
Norm Powell for John Collins.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
What if John Collins goes like eighteen and ten, he's
going I mean he might theoretically it could be fine,
but I don't see how swapping out Norm Powell for
that John Collins, it doesn't make sense to me. I
think you've got to be bigger than they were last year,
and that was a problem for them against the Nuggets.
They weren't big enough and they got bigger.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well. I mean, also part of this, the other shoe
that's supposed to drop, is maybe this means they get
Bradley beal right, And this is another thing where I'm worried.
I'm just responding to other people's opinions.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I feel like this is more news and reporting that
you're responding to to.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
But what I want to say, what I'm responding to,
I feel like for a while there I'm like, Bradley
Beal is not bad at basketball, guys, right, He's like
everyone talks about him like he's bad, and maybe he
just doesn't have the hunger. I mean, of course there's
no dog in him, but like, man, beautiful score, unbelievable
jump shot, the guy still incredibly efficient. You could do
(27:06):
much worse if we're talking about what NBA players that
I would like to have, Like Bradley Beal can play basketball.
The one hundred and ten million dollars, no, no trade clause,
that was the issue.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But so I felt that way. But now if if
the Clippers are like, oh, it's okay, we're losing norm power,
we're getting Bradley Beal, now I have to veer off
and be like, no, no, no, not too bad. Pals better
than Bradley Beal? Yeah yeah, by a good stretch.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Sure is he better than John Collins and Bradley Beal?
I still think, yes, I you need more guys.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Maybe, I mean, maybe maybe that's an argument. Maybe Chris
Paul's coming home to play your twenty.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I don't think so. Back on the clip, I don't
think that would go against what the te we're doing, right, like,
let's get an old guy who's small.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
You know, they need dribblers, they need shooting.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
They do, they need shooters.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
And maybe John Collins. Maybe those three point numbers are
going to be in a minute, maybe the four or five.
Everybody going big again. It's gonna work out. It isn't.
It isn't crushing for the Clippers because they did. Of course,
they created cap space in the following summer. They're gonna
have a ton of it. I still don't know why
you couldn't just keep Norm Powell. I think he's a
better player than John Collins. Just keep him. Go into
(28:19):
free agency. You're gonna be that opt If you're gonna
be that awesome. Maybe Norm Powell wants to come back,
and if he doesn't, good, place him with something else. Uh,
I don't know the I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Also, I mean he also at the deadline could have
been a guy. But the thing is, it's you know
that extension.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, I mean, I don't go back to the heat.
I don't know what the heat are as far as like,
I don't know how far you get with Bam and
Tyler Hero and Andrew Wiggins and Norm Powell, like they
should theoretically be competitive, But I just think this gift
(28:58):
blows my mind a little bit, where it's like that's
a negative salary and an expiring guy, and they're like,
do you want do you want a guy who's better
than everybody else on your team outside of maybe Tyler Hero?
I mean, I mean and bam. But still, I don't know.
I'm blown away by this. I'm blown away by this gift.
(29:18):
Why do the Heat get another gift? Feel like they're
always getting gifts. Only the Heat, the Clippers, I'm confused by.
The Jazz is just like, what's the point of your team?
They're not taking I mean, non non rhetorical, what's the
point this? Only this is only allowed in a league
where it where it's accepted to not win, where it's like,
(29:40):
oh yeah, let's have let's have a few teams every year.
They're just like, you know what, we're not gonna play
this year. We probably did enough on the Norm Powell trade.
I can't like, like I would like to bet on
these teams using their trade exceptions.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know, Utah is probably gonna let it expire.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, I mean they have a whole year and again
they could take.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It back, take a bad contract, you can.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Even take back the I mean, what also, these bad
contracts are going away? What kind of world is it
where DeAndre Ayton, Damian Lillard and apparently Bradley Beal just
those contracts are now gone.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, remains what's gonna be our new worst contract until
it's Jaron, I.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Mean, it's it's gonna be whatever Tyler Hero signs next. Probably,
I'm man, I'm a little lost with the salary numbers,
and maybe this is a whole nother discussion for another day.
I know they're huge, and I know the percentage of
I know the percentages are staying the same, But I
also feel like if we're going to have a hard cap,
which is what apparently we've decided we have. If we're
(30:45):
going to have a hard cap, eventually some NBA teams
and they can't all agree to do this because that's collusion.
But some teams are going to be like, listen, we
can't actually pay you Tyler Hero forty million dollars because
that's ridiculous, Like we have to be able to find
more other good players. We can't pay our fifty thus players.
(31:08):
It's even like the Ben Caro thing. I mean, Ben
Caro should track to be hopefully a top twenty NBA player.
If he's not there already, you know he's gonna be
in contention for all NBA as long as it say's healthy.
But there's so many guys where it's like, all right,
seventy million, Like if we're literally hard capped, we can't
give you a third or thirty five percent essentially what
(31:30):
this number is if the cap doesn't go up like
we think or whatever. I don't know, it's just hard.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, it went up seven percent and eight it went
up seven percent for next season, and the standard rays
in a lot of these contracts is eight percent. So
you're already negative if you're if you're a team as
far as like how you've managed your salary cap for
a lot of these deals.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Sung last summer, you even see like I mean like
bam Adebio's deal where it's like teams talk about, you know,
how the contracts are too much for like this guy's
making thirty or forty, but like isn't like band's making
over fifty and once you start getting like fifty sixty
per a guy, and I mean again, if the cap
keeps going up and eventually the salary cap is to eighty.
You're like, oh, okay, fine, we're now Devin Booker is
(32:16):
making you know, less than a fourth of the luxury
tax line. But if it doesn't at all, it just
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
The numbers are too much, right, Like I don't want
to be the guy who get all that moneys much money.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, yeah, we both want the players to get all
that money. But honestly, it starts being like, all right,
Jokic can get ninety million, right or whatever it is. Uh,
you're honest, you can get ninety even Devin Booker, Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I don't think that much. Every six to seven person
should make forty million dollars a year. That yeah, just
hey congratulations you're six seven, But you know how about twelve?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah? Or maybe we're thinking about this wrong. We should
just applaud all these contracts and be like, yes, half
that's going to tell.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
We should not We should tax those contracts heavier than
we do, just like we should taxt those billionaire owners
a lot more too.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Anyways, Dave, let's uh, let's take.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Let's get that salary cap down to a hundred million.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Let's take a quick break, and we'll come back and
we'll talk about DeAndre eight into the Lakers. Oh, Dave,
I teased DeAndre eight into the Lakers. But going back
to the Bradley Beal thing, the thing we don't know
yet is whether or not the Suns are gonna wave
(33:35):
and stretch. As far as I can tell, that isn't
out there. I I am on board with what the
Suns have done this summer. If they do a buyout,
that's not a waving stretch. If they literally eat the contract,
I'm like, you know what, I think you're gonna be
all right. I don't think yeah, I don't think you're
(33:57):
gonna be great, but I don't think it's as bad
as some people think. Here I go responding to other
people's opinions. Again. I don't think they're a shoe in
for the bottom of the West if they have a
healthy Devin Booker. I mean, if they get something from
Mark Williams and Model Watch, they get something there. The
rest of the roster, unless they go full tear down,
(34:18):
which they could still. I still assume they're going to
salary dump a Royce O'Neill or a Grayson Allen or
something like that. But I think they could be all
right with Jalen Green and Dylan Brooks and Devin Booker
and just some guys. That's to me, like, that's a
squad that's honestly, them in the Heat might have a
very competitive seven game series, even if the Heat did
(34:41):
get a free gift to Norm Powell. So I don't
think it's catastrophic. And again, as a Grizzlies fan, I
wanted to be catastrophic because of that pick swap the
Grizzes got in the Desert Bane deal. So I don't
think it's catastrophic unless they But then if they stretch
beal which will save them, so it'll save Matteshubia so
much money. Then I'm like, oh, no, that you've you've
(35:02):
hurt yourself. You've now given one what is it salary
ninth Well, but I'm saying like you've you've given away
starter money in dead money, on your year, on your
on your year over year cap sheet. I don't love that.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
The Bookery thing puts them in a in a really
bad position because if Booker asks out, you have to
move them, But that's not it.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I don't think it's a terrible position necessarily because he
still has value. It's just the like he still should
have intense, massive value even with whatever money you give him,
I meanranchise several more years of I think, being just
one of the best two guards in the NBA. H.
So we'll see now, Dave. The Lakers did get their
(35:48):
center in DeAndre Ayden. Uh. This was basically it was
rumored from the first time that the news came out
that the Trailblazers we're gonna buy him out. They were like, oh,
let's connect the agents. His agent is Luca, not just agent.
The Lakers have a glaring, gaping lawing hole at center,
(36:14):
and h and Aidan would make sense there. But now
that has happened.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I love the Ayton signing for them. I love it
for Aiden. If he wants to play, if he wants
to play hard. This guy is extremely talented. It's not
it's not about skills, it's not you know, it's a
style of play that's a problem. Right. He loves to
get into like a jump hook kind of fading away
instead of duncating when he ought to sometimes And not
(36:40):
that it's just so easy to dunk all the time,
but sometimes you gotta do it. But it's the showing
up with the right with sort of the right like
aggressive mentality. I think, actually, this is gonna be a
good thing for everybody. He gets to play with Luca,
and I think Luca is gonna make his life very easy.
Theoretically he gets to be around Lebron, and I mean
(37:01):
that's never a bad thing. I don't think, in my opinion,
when you get to see a guy who's you know,
got the career longevity and obviously has taken it pretty seriously,
I don't know. I mean, I think it's good. I
think we're gonna see maybe him expand his game some.
I think with the Lakers, like JJ Redick being just
a fresher coaching voice, it might, it might open things up.
(37:25):
I just I don't know, we'll see. I'm optimistic about it.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
I am also, I think reasonably optimistic about it. I
think as far as landing spots for Aighton, I mean
it's ideal. I mean, they're gonna get him easy buckets,
They're gonna get him enough looks. There's not anyone to
compete for for those minutes, and you hope that he'll
end up playing more games than he has in previous seasons.
(37:51):
And his downsides, the foibles shouldn't be. I think maybe
it will be more magnified because of the La situation
and more eyeballs on it. Maybe JJ Redick and Luca
not just will be screaming at him the whole time,
and also Lebron will be so mad at him. But
it's I feel like the situation it works out just fine.
(38:13):
I think my biggest question now is will the Lakers
also go get Marvin Bagley so they can have the first, second,
and third picks.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Well, they're just setting it up to trade for Jared.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I mean you could have one through four. I feel
like I feel like Trey Young.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
What a great fit Trey Young would be next to Luca.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I mean a Luca for Trey Young straight up. I mean, sorry,
Lebron for Tray Young straight up. I might get it done.
I don't interesting no, but seriously, how many all right,
Dave Marvin Bagley free agent? You can get him for
the minimum?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I think probably?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Honestly, why wouldn't they another big guy he can put
the ball in the basket. Mo Bomba with the sixth pick, yeah,
bring him back? Uh? I mean Colin Sexon was given away.
That was the eighth pick of that draft.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Honestly, I thought the Lakers might have been a Colin
Sexton team. They could you use a guy like that
coming off the bench.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I'm going back now to my I don't understand why
no teams want Colin Sexton or Norm Powell, like they're
the entire point of the game is getting the ball
in the hoop, and those are Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
The new buzz term, which is so funny because it's
not like a thing but or it's not a buzz term.
The weakest link theory you know about that, the new
NBA theory that it's no longer about having the best guy,
it's about not having the worst guy, and usually guys
like Colin Sexton. Like, let's say you get to the playoffs. Now,
I don't know why a lot of these teams care
(39:51):
about like what happens in the finals because unrealistic. But
you get to the playoffs and Colin Sexton's on the court,
they are gonna attack him. Yeah, and he doesn't. He
doesn't do enough on the other end to justify what
you have to do to bend the defense to protect him.
It's not Jalen Brunson, you know what I mean. Jalen
Brunson is a superior offensive player. I would argue he's
(40:12):
a way worse defensive player, but you know, better branding
for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Let's answer ol listener, submit a question, Dave, this is
about the Lakers. This is the croissant question.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Nah, any questions?
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yes? Are you going to finish that croissant?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Knock yourself out?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Drew wants to know if Lebron is upset the Lakers
are not trying to win now, shouldn't Luca be upset
the Lakers are not trying to win now?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
I don't think Luca's that guy. I mean, not the
he doesn't want to win now, But I don't think
he's the type of guy who's gonna put things out
in the media. Okay, but he also just got there,
so maybe he also feels like, hey, let me just
see how it goes. I mean, this guy is going
to be the premiere free agent in the NBA and
(41:25):
not that long. You know, if he goes to free agency,
he basically could choose whatever team he wants to go to.
So you know, if I'm him, I'm just you know,
let's read the room a little bit. Let's see how
things are looking. Got new ownership probably gonna wind up
with new management, just because that's how things work.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I also think part of it is what I mean,
there's a couple of things. What have the Lakers not
done that they should have done so far? Yes, right,
that's harder to say. I mean, like, if you could
have turned to the Jared Vanderbilt contract into some of
these guys that have been given away that we've been
talking about, like Gabe Vincent, Like, all right, yeah, that
(42:05):
would have been great. I mean, frankly, if they could
have gotten those players, yes, that would have been good.
But I mean, not to talk down to Drew. There's
a big difference between Luca's age and Lebron's age. Yeah,
and Luca's like, I don't need you to trade away
all the future picks if I'm going to be here
(42:25):
for this one season, and Lebron's like, let's be honest,
I'm pretty old. I would like to go ahead and
win before Bronni James gets waived slash I retire, and
so you know, it's much smaller one to do. I
do think, though, to give more weight and respect to
(42:47):
Drew and his question, there is kind of the thought that, like, hey, Lakers,
you do have Lebron who still is good, and you
have Luca. Maybe the foot should be slightly more on
the gas. I mean, they did work out a slightly
fishy thing to get down Drayton. They didn't work that out, Okay, guys,
(43:08):
credit repetitors duet down them. And also Jake Larebia day one,
they stole him from the Kings.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Also, there's didn't have a lot of realistic options though,
Like it's not like number one, it's not like free
agency is free agency from years ago, and there weren't
a ton of realistic options. It was all going to
be trade. I mean most of the big additions in
my opinion, you know, like it's been through trades. They
just don't have the assets for it.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah. Also there's like they could you know, like there's
not doing anything, and then there's like actually actively making
your team worse, like we've like the Lakers hadn't done
a lot, but I mean they got eight and in
La Rabia, like the Warriors have done literally nothing right.
Warriors they did. They did lose Looney. You can't replace
(43:55):
Gary Payton, Gary Peyton. They're just not going to resign him.
But like I thought that was because Gary Payton was like,
I'm gonna go get paid, but he hasn't gotten a contract.
The Bucks have to get Gary Payton, to have every Gary, Gary, Trent,
Gary Harris, Gary Payton. Those are three Garys right now
in the NBA, except two out of the three. Listen, Giannis,
(44:20):
I know we waved and stretched Dame, but we got
you every Gary, not some of the Garys, all the Garys.
I think that's a good pit. That's a convincing pitch.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
The saddest part about about the Dame thing and Sonny
Miles Turners that it killed my great fake trade. I
know where Chris Middleton wounded back on the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
I mean, like the Cavaliers, you got Lonzo Ball, but
like are you are you? You got rid of Hyjerome
and you've brought in Larry Nance Junior and Lonzo Ball,
two of the most injured players there are. I mean
Larry Nancy purely vibes guy. Possibly. I love that guy
(45:04):
when he's healthy. Fuck, great, great player, I think works great. Yeah,
if he's healthy. Lonzo and Larry nts a healthy I
mean also, like it could be worse, Lakers, you could
have had like the Kings off season the Bulls off season.
I mean the Bulls have done the Bulls bad. Have
(45:27):
looked at their squad and said, you know what, let's
just get Isaaca Carro and call it a day. Let's
just let's ad let's add Isaac at Caro. Let's take
on more money into future seasons. Let's pay to Trey Jones.
Why wouldn't we They.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Haven't paid Josh Giddy yet.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
They haven't paid Josh Skinny. Honestly, that's uh, that's a
market in in their ledger.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
For mead job.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I mean, just abuse the restrict free agency system. Don't
pay them. Uh. The Kings. The Kings not very good.
They're off season. Hey, let's uh, let's get Dennis Shrewder
and Dario Sarich.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Call it a day, and we're not going to extend Levine.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Nope, I mean I say called a day. Of course,
Summer League is where things happen when all the people
get together in Vegas, everyone is, all the gems are
there and more things are going to come out something.
I feel like something has to happen with the Kings.
It's like you're really going into the year with like
there's like.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Almost trade for lowry marketing.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I mean somebody, Yeah, I don't know who would I
will say the oh another team I would include in this.
I still am so lukewarm to negative on the Piston summer.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Not been a great one in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I mean you lose Dinnis Shrewder, which is not often right,
like like he was useful to that team. Maybe the
Tim Hardaway junior for could Robinson. That's honestly, that's equal
as far as you can't really depend on their shooting.
Those guys anymore, but like they also can eat innings
(47:17):
for you. They're fine guys that have around nice professionals. Yeah,
the Karis Lavert addition, it's like, okay, it's final, Yeah,
it's fine. Uh. The Raptors just paying Yaka pernle.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
There. Have you looked at how much money their starting
lineup makes? The steaks you were talking about Tyler hero
making forty Emanuel quickly I believe is he making thirty five?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Yeah, it's like it's over thirty for a lot. I mean,
they they're they're pivot from Siakam and og An Andobi
to the squad they have now is I'm and maybe
MASSI shouldn't have been fired but also I disagree.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
If you're going on track record, man, get it. Yeah, Like,
I mean, he he hung out for a long time.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
What have you done for me late?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
You know, credit for trading for Danny Green and Kawhi
Leonard and winning a title?
Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah? For what was that? It was?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
It was for a it was for Yaka Perl and
uh and one pick or two picks traded.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I mean they trade then they they trade for like
the Ocha Baji they traded to pick they got Kelly
olennok in that. Uh, I don't know. I can't anyways,
Thanks for the question, Drew. Very good question. Oh here's
another real quick question. Bobby Peyton wants to know now
that end of the quarter heaves don't count for player stats,
(48:55):
will yok be top five and three point percentage? Wasn't
he wasn't Jokich top five last year? I think? So
how close? How close was he? I got a cut
up now, Yeah he lost. Jokic lost a significant number
of his three bunch of percentage because he took like
twenty heaves last year and I think it only made
one or two. Yeah, that it's a great question. Uh yeah,
(49:19):
I'm just gonna say yes, I'm looking it up right now. Leaders.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
You know, somebody made a super cut on YouTube of
all of Jokic's heaves from last season. So if you
guys want some summer watching.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
The baseball throwing is just the I don't know so
like the flat footed Oh, Jokic finished eighteenth. Oh he
trailed off. Oh he finished behind Norman Powell, who was
available for free.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Man. Norm would have been good in Denver.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Man, let's see all these all these players. Three point
shooting isn't what it used to be, Dave, the three
is it over? You got Torrian Prince was third, No
market for him. Ty Jerome was fourth, he got let
go vat Crisgy for Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Fifth, Okay, hardly enough to qualify, although he signed that
shooting the shooter is the shooting.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Feenth. Bryce sensible, He's a bucket. We've always liked Bryce.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
That's right, that's right. Bryce is gonna go off at
Summer League again this year.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
This guy, Malik Beasley was nineteenth. There's no interest in him.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Never heard of him. Yeah, would you take a bet
on him if you were?
Speaker 1 (50:48):
Oh Man, Good job, Dave. All right, thanks everybody for
the questions. You want your questions submitted on air a
Patron supporter do that over at patreon dot com slash
Fast break Breakfast. And with that, Dave, I think we
can up no awards ceremony this week. I haven't gone
through line by line and tabulated the Summer League performances.
There's no way to search for them otherwise, so apologies there.
(51:13):
I've done it in previous years, but it wasn't in
the cards for me this year. So thanks everybody for
listening again you sports show. Get bonus content to that
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