July 17, 2025 • 57 mins
After returning from Las Vegas, Keith and Dave have lots of thoughts on the things they saw (and ate). On this episode they talk about Carter Bryant, Kyle Filipowski, Ron Holland, Cooper Flagg, Tre Johnson and lots of other players from NBA Summer League.
Also covered: Bradley Beal joins the Clippers, Cole Anthony joins the Bucks, and expansion!
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Episode 804 (S11 Ep. 29)
Also covered: Bradley Beal joins the Clippers, Cole Anthony joins the Bucks, and expansion!
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Episode 804 (S11 Ep. 29)
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
All right, and welcome to Fast Break Breakfast MBA podcast.
My name is Keith Parrish, and I'm here once again
with my buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Through the miracle of computer phone, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
With Dave DeFore. Dave with a treat for the YouTube viewers.
You caught me off guard. I thought initially you were
wearing a Memphis Sounds throwback.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You're wearing a red and white Baywatch tank top. Dave,
thank you for the invisible treat.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Summertime, Keith, the guns out, suns out. That's right, summertime.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
You're back at home. We met up in Las Vegas.
It is day eight of Las Vegas Summer League. Both
you and I back home. I'm in my basement in Tennessee.
I don't normally have the AC vents open in the
basement because obviously the AC pools down in the basement naturally.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
But it's so hot everywhere. I just showered.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I have not a I'm not adjusted to the Tennessee
sweltering misery. It was more pleasant in Las Vegas. It
was like ninety eight in Las Vegas, which is really hot,
very very hot. It's not hot for Las Vegas in July.
Coming back home to Tennessee and it's ninety with like
one hundred percent humidity. I'm like, this is this is
(01:32):
unworkable day. Tell me it's what's like balmy seventy one?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
What do you mean? You know it is sixty nine
degrees right now? God beautiful. You could wear a hoodie.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You're gonna get a chill wearing that, and they watch
tank top.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
That's the thing is, you know, you can wear a
hoodie here every day. You know, if you're in the shade,
it's so nice. If you get a little cool, you
just step into the sun. It's very much like a
dog's life out here. It's really nice.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That is pretty good. I'm very very jealous. Now I'm warm,
just showered.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Also, I'm gonna get a thing which I don't think
you have to deal with. I'm gonna get headphone hair.
If I put on the headphones, well, my hair's wet.
When I take it off, it's like really pressed in
the rest of my hair is like kind of it
looks like I've shaped.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, it's kind of hatthead.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It actually makes me me look like I have like
the the Johnny Furfy haircut pressed on the side, which
also is just my way of shoehorning, and is that Furfey.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's like a it's like a bowl and a mullet.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's sort of a mullet. It's like a yeah, yeah,
it's sort of a mullet. Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Furfey provided the most exciting moment of Summer League. I
was happy to be able to witness it live in
the gym. I think everyone saw the clip on Sports
Center or on social media or wherever goes behind the
back loses Modess Bzealis then rises up for one of
the better cockback dunks I've ever seen. I gotta tell
(02:55):
people the thing you maybe didn't get if you weren't
there at Summer League. Of course, the gyms are filled
with team executives, media people, all of us podcaster folks,
ex NBA players, current NBA players. Most of these people
when they watch basketball are subdued. They are maybe jaded,
(03:21):
but also just to keep it cool. It's like the
comedian go into a show who doesn't laugh, so like
it's a very subdued crowd. When Johnny Furfey posterized that guy, Noah,
I don't have to say name a Singe whatever the
lottery pick from the Bulls.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, I'm talking team.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Executives did like the Rucker Park and one tour, like
they stood up and like turned circles people recovering their face.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, I was sitting beside you, your athletic co host s,
who just like punched me in the arm really hard.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
He's a very excitable basketball watcher. It was.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It was a special moment, uh, Johnny Ferfey, great game,
great dunk.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, I was in the concourse coming to find you.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Guys, right and you hear the noise. I'm on the screen.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I was. I happened to be watching when it happened, So.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It was it was a special moment.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Also also Johnny Furfy looking looking sharp, turning his Finals
experience into Summer League dominance.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, I mean he looked extremely athletic. Uh Like he
was faster than those guys, which is is a good
sign for a second year guy.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, he was going, I mean in this game, he
knew where to be in this game. Modess Bizilis had
a very good game.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Modas Bzilis has been very impressive the games he's actually
suited up and played at Summer League. But Furfy was
sort of toe to toe, where like Furfey doesn't have
the same draft pedigree of Boozillis, but it was impressive showing. Uh,
I feel like the two finals guys AJ Mitchell and
John I'm not sure if anybody else actually played at
the Finals and then also played at Summer League, but A. J.
(05:00):
Mitchell also very impressive. For the Thunder Dave Today's episode,
here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna go through every
Summer League player and give our impressions of what and
I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Or not, just get up generally about things.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I gotta say, I'm losing my fastball, my summer league
fastball specifically, Dave. I feel like years past, it was
like I sit there all day. I get so excited.
I'm like trying to watch every every game. There's like
some this year where I walk in it was like
a Rockets Hawks game.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Rocks Hawks, as I like to say.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And uh, and I'm I'm looking at the court, I'm like,
who are these people? And I'm like, I'm like, Jacob
Toppins the leading scorer in this game. That game, by
the way, you are like, oh, Kennedy Chandler is the
leading school who are these.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, so I feel like I wasn't. I wasn't staying
until the bitter end.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I saw a sunset in Las Vegas for the first
time because normally I'm inside the gym.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Normally I'm in the gym the last evening, I waited
to a.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Picture of it. You took a picture of it. I remember, no,
I remember there was walking out.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
There was this spectacular one that I was like, i
was on my way to a dinner and I'm like,
like the sun was going down over the mountains, and
I was like, I've never seen this. I've seen it
go down, I guess over the casinos over the strip,
like right, basically a view from Thomas and Mack.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
But I was driving off a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I left the gym early, going to like a regular
dinner time, like my body. I wasn't accustomed to it
because normally the routine is of course, it'd just in
the Pacific time is hard.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, Like normally i eat a lunch at.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Twelve Pacific time, and then I'm in the gym until
till nine or ten, and so like I'm starving because
the food of the gym is horrible, and so dinner
ends up being like ten thirty or something. This time
I'd prepped. I actually ate an extra sandwich on the
way to the gym. I I had a soul Bird
chicken sandwich thought was really good at like let's say
(07:04):
eleven thirty, and I was like, that was good. I'm
gonna buy another one and bring it to the gym.
So I had another one to like one. But then
it turned out that was an I'm like, oh, I
got invited to a seven o'clock dinner.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I'm like, I'm not a I'm not a customer of this.
That's a normal dinner time.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But anyways, leave the gym, watching the sun go down
over the mountains. I want to take a photo, but
it turns out the restaurant was in like a strip
mall and it was like a container store and a
whole foods and a like Buka Dibeppo blocking the view.
Once the car stopped, I can't see the mountains anymore.
I just see strip mall.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Dinner was great, though, those Vegas strip mall restaurants, they
you know who it was.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I gotta say it was really good day. What's the
best food you had in Vegas? I know you're not
gonna give me any good breakfast talk.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I had a really nice cacio pepe at a place
called mother Wolf at place. Yeah it was, it was,
it was pretty nice. Probably was the best thing I ate.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It was.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was the last last night I was in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
The Strip Mall restaurant was an Indian restaurant, and I
don't know the name of hardly any of the dishes.
You know, it was like I don't I mean, like
one of them was butter chicken, all remember that, But
but it was like a bunch of other things and I.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Didn't know what the names were. I don't know. Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I did enjoy the twenty vegetable rice you brought. You
brought me to that was something you were you were
seeking out. We had that together one.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Meal China, which I will say.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I will say this was one of the best eating
summer leagues I've had.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And I think it's because the Strip was dead, because
nobody was empty. It was empty. It was easy to
get tables at restaurants. It wasn't this. You had to
get a reservation beforehand.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Not to get into politics, but yeah, I don't want
to know if it's a key economic indicator.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The strip was the lowest I've ever seen it in July. However,
Fremont Street in Old Vegas the busiest I've ever seen it,
So I don't know if that's just a little bit
cheaper casinos that's where everybody's at. Anyways, that was sort
of our breakfast. We talked about food after our breakfast.
We can do our breakfast in bed apologies, and we'll
get in some of the summer league stuff. We'll get into,
(09:23):
uh well, I don't know, some Brad Beal talk before
we do. Let's do a breakfast in bed apology. This
is my chance to make right. But I might have
gotten wrong on a previous episode frequently the first time
we talk.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
About the NBA, I think I'm not right. I'm not certain.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I think last episode I called trendon Watford Jabari Walker.
But here is my here's my excuse. I mean, one,
they're both on the Sixers, which I think I can.
I think I combine them in my head. They're both
like former trail Blazers.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's not that they play wildly dissimilar games. So I'm
pretty sure I got those mixed up last episode. But
both on the Sixers, so apologies to the fans of
both Jabari Walker and Trindon Watford. Also, Dave got a
lot of feedback from last episode. Oh, talking about Norm
Powell and Bradley Beal. I think Norm Powell, I mean,
(10:20):
the way we talked about on the show, I believe
Norm Powell has clearly been better than Bradley Bual for.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
A couple of seasons. Now, yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Clippers don't think so. I mean Clippers they got it done.
The buyout happened from the Suns or the one stretch. Well,
I mean they understand that Bradley bal two years at
eleven million, I'll take that over Norm Powell one year
at nineteen and then have to worry about it later. So,
I mean, I get it, but I think Norm Pal's
is a much better player currently agreed.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, Norm.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Powell plays sixty games a year and Bradley bill plays
forty games a year. So it's a little neither's.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Great, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Prognosticating which thirty thirty year old shooting guard is going
to play more games the next two seasons, it's kind
of hard and you know, so, like, I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
How many games do you think Beal playlis for the Clippers?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Forty four?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Okay, that's that's literally, that's his average games played of
the last five seasons. Yeah, I mean I said literally,
like it's an exact number. I'm pretty sure he played
ballpark two hundred and twenty games for the last five
season somewhere somewhere around there, at least.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
The son's part of this.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I don't, as someone with a vested interest in the
Sun's demise as a Grizzlies fan watching this pick swap
with the Suns next year. I don't like the stuff
they're doing. I mean, Bradley Fields a good player, but
I think this was the addition by subtraction, right, I mean, honestly,
they still need to guard. I don't like that ESPN
(11:55):
has Colin Gillespie as our starting point guard at Fields.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, that feels like a hole.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I mean, now, hang on, why would it be Colin Gillespie.
It's it'll be Booker, It'll be Jail and Green.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Current Green, I mean even Grayson Allen. Do like the
three guard thing? Maybe that yea, they don't have a
real traditional guard point guard. This move by the Suns
I think wraps up a like, of course there are
not many teams would trade places with them. Sorry matt Ishpia,
but like they've basically done everything they could this year. Also,
(12:29):
the Waven stretch, like were we criticized the Bucks would
be like, man, you're putting a lot of money in
your future books. Yeah, that's that's tough for the Suns.
It saved them literally two hundred million dollars right, like
the the non tax payments, this is like two and
twenty million dollars. They saved as many million dollars as
Bradley Beal's games played in the last five seasons, just
(12:51):
by stretching him.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So I get it. That's was it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Actually it was a Waven stretch. I didn't Yeah, I
saw a buyout report.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So yeah, yeah, because they did the stretch because it
takes them all the way out of the luxury tax like.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean no, no, that made the most sense. Again,
it was it was the opposite, uh thing is the Bucks.
The Bucks weren't going to save nearly as much money.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I mean, the Bucks are trying to make more money
by saving Yannis. I mean I get that too. That's
a good financial decision.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
But now, now the Clippers. I mean they're.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
They're a team like many other teams who if their
best players play quite good.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I think the the brook Lop.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Has signing great and now it's just to Bradley Beal
and Kawhi play the same games? Are they both available
in the postseason? Could they not just go ahead and
plan out to like alternate just every other game, just
like I mean, you would think maybe week on, week off,
what's better for the NBA NBA athletes body day do
(13:57):
you think?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Weird to see.
I think we're gonna find out a lot about Bradley
Beal this year. Yeah, Clippers always had a guy like this,
though they had a guy every season. Well, this is.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
This is this is a marquee franchise privilege. And you know,
congratulations for the Clippers that they for many years now
have been a marquis franchise. And this is a thing
that cannot happen for smaller teams like you don't get up, Yeah,
you don't get a Bradley Beal for five five and
a half million dollars. So this is the big market
(14:34):
advantage happening right here for the Clippers. But Uh, let's
go to some summer league stuff. Do you have any
big takeaways? I mean, I think we always focus on
the big names, like anybody exciting. I mean, I think
the Cooper flag thing. I'd never seen him play like
an entire game before, and so I got to see
one game in person. I watched the first game on television.
(14:55):
I wasn't in Vegas yet. I thought he was incredibly exciting,
just like this guy actually is as advertised. I mean,
he called the first game he played, he said it
was one of the worst games he's ever played. It
was reminiscent of like Wimby's first game, where Wimby was
an absolute mess in his first game, but then in
the second game, Cooper, I would say, had thirty one
(15:17):
easily in like a way where he wasn't even eye popping.
To be like, oh, this guy's just killing it. You're like, yeah,
this guy's this guy's kind of amazing. He hasn't done
anything spectacular and has ended up with thirty points. I'm
I'm like blown away, like, oh, yeah, this is whatever
I was talking about everybody else. I don't want to
put a huge blanket on it. No one took my
(15:40):
breath away. Besides that out of the first round. Yeah,
but I don't know who I'm supposed to be getting
shocked by or amazed by.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I like the Spurs guys. I thought Dylan Harper was
really impressive. I mean he was dealing with an injury.
Carter Bryant looks like just freak of all freaks defensive athlete.
We'll see if the shot ever falls, if he ever
can hit just a corner three, that that guy is insane.
(16:09):
But other than that, you know what my big takeaway
is where all the second year guys?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, well that's not enough.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, the best player in Summer League, he's dominating as
the second year guy.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, it just felt like there should have been more
of those guys. Also disappointed that guys get shut down
so earlyly, but also I understand it. And then we
got to talk about Hanson Young.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, if that is amazing. Yeah, Hans and Young.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
His game against the Grizzlies wasn't nearly as good as
his first game. Then his next game he had he
had a few threes. Also, I keep hearing it, I
don't know, I don't even know the order I heard
Young Hanson and Hanson Young interchangeably.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, Young is his last name, right, what's yeah? Family
name right?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Right? So by you know Western convention, isn't it Hans
and Young? Kind of like the album.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Again, I don't know. If I knew the answer, I
would tell you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, I'll have to ask. Well, we'll have to ask
somebody who's gotten the guide on that he's been.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
He was fun. I'm a little dubious. He felt more
like Summer League novelty. I know you were super excited
about the passing. Yeah, like any big who can pass.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, And these were Look, some of these were basic passes,
but they were great reads, you know. And I think
when you can see the floor like that. And also
he was directing traffic the entire time on both ends.
He's calling it on defense.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's really funny.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I saw this on the broadcast a few times, like rewatching,
Like I rewatched the Grizzlies game, and the broadcasters are like, oh, yeah,
look at how he's pointing at his teammates telling him
where to go.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I'm like, not everyone loves that, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Mean I love it. That's right. And first play of
the game, first first play of the game for his
first Summer League game. He calls a pin down screen
for himself and he wanted to shoot it. Yeah, but
then you know, he got blown up, so he turns
it into a d h O. I don't know. I
think this guy is gonna be fun. Donovan Klingon is
gonna be a great backup to this guy.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Why isn't Donovan Klingon playing?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's what I don't get. Also, I want to see
him play together. Who cares if they're slow, they're huge.
Let's just see what happens. But yeah, I don't know
why Klingon didn't play. You know our friend Joey, Joey,
find that Brandon Pazemski out here.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He's right, you know, why is it okay? Let's turn
it back from Brandon Pozimski. Why isn't Quinton Post playing?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Oh well, Quinn Post has an injury, got an ankle injury.
I did, I did, I did get the the inside
scoop on that.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
We did have a few second year guys play. Ron
Holland is dominating. Ron Holland's incredible. He's on here. Joe
Well look pretty, Jana Walls looks good.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Reed Shepherd played a couple of games, and I think honestly. Uh,
he had a lot of trouble against Ron Holland. He
was like, he's not handling the Ron Holland pressure very well.
But like, yeah, Rechepberd played a couple of games. Terrence
Shannon the Timberwolves. Yeah he's turning heads.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, he's playing well.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Uh, he's a second he's the second year guy. He's
a if you're if you're a if you're a big
with any kind of ball skills dominant at Super League.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Drew Timmy is that is that is that gonna be
your new center.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's that's the nets starting center. The Nets.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I mean, like I've watched a couple of their games
and it's like, again, they took five guys in the
first round. Watching the games, you're like, who is their
top pick? It's like I have no idea, Like just
if they didn't have jerseys on, you know, it's like
I can't tell what anybody's doing. Like they maybe need
a table setter in Summer League. Even though they drafted
a lot of guards, it's still like I don't I
don't get what's happening here.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Man, they should have sent Cam Thomas. Imagine camp Thomas
was putting up in like fifty a game in Summer League.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Oh, speaking of buckets, U earth this name down? Is
it Jones Garcia?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Uh from the Spur.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, that guy is a bucket I've saw. I saw
a lot of the Spurs games.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That guy is scribble so much.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
That guy.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But that guy's like Summer League goaded, you know, like
the guard who can just beat this level of competition.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, just like uh, Sumergue was doing between the like crossover,
like you know, the the meme of the guy at
the pickup game. Yeah, I mean he was just he
looked angry.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Another Summer league legend, Javon Freeman Liberty. This is just
guards built for Summer League because that because there they
can get past this level of defense and uh and
you can kind of score it will.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Going back to the lottery guys, I mean I'm not
a draft person, and so you watch these Summer League
games and you're looking for him. You're saying, right, who,
let's see it. And like edge Combe only played one game.
Well I was and actually that was once I got back,
so I watched that. Yeah, he played his head a
wrist injury, he had the good the game he played
(21:10):
in Utah was pretty good. The game he played in
Vegas was like, I guess a good second half. Also
hampering my summer league watching very strange blackout rules on
League Pass where it's like if you don't have ESPN Plus,
you can't get the games unless you dvrd them off
YouTube because they're not on League Pass until all of
the summer league is over.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So there's there's a lot of weird plad.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, I was trying to go back and watch this
Edgecomb game that I missed, the one after I got
back home to Nashville. H not available to watch, the
same situation with the Con Knipple game, so I caught
this second.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
So the first Con Kinipple game rough.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, the Hornets were getting dribbled around left and right
by the all the Jazz guys. Isaiah Callier just blowing
by that Kochbrinner guy as if he wasn't Therenipple. I'm
not keeping guys in front of him. He didn't score
very much. But then the second game, I watched most
of it in person. I wanted to rewatch it. It
(22:07):
was in that weird blackout where I'm like, I can't
watch it, but can Nipple great bounce back game. Uh
in his second game. You mentioned Dylan Harper the second pick.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Dealing with an injury, but like if shooting's not his thing,
which is what I was told by the people who
seem to know, like shooting's not his thing, but like
also he couldn't really get by people that much, and
so I was like, oh, it's one of.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Those I don't work.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
It's okay, but like it's one of those things where
when you hear draft coverage, yeah, and it's like, you know,
Cooper flag and then clear number two Dylan Harper, and
so then when I watch him, I'm like, all right, let's.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
See clear number two.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And I'm like, eh, I'm not I Again, maybe I
had too much expectation.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I wanted to be. I wanted to be like wowed.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I wanted to have that feeling when I first saw
Palla ben Caaro and how he was bigger than every
human ever, right, I wanted that time I said that.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Did we ever talk about the first time I saw
Palo I'm not sure. He was fifteen, okay, at at
Team USA camp and it was like a high school camp.
So it was Jade McDaniel's senior year, I think of
high school, and he was also bigger than everybody in
the gym at fifteen. Yeah, I was like, oh wow,
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this is when we thought we were gonna get rid
of the one and done roll.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I was like, oh, well, there's the guy who's gonna
be the first high school or pick number one. He
just stood out in a gym full of like every
good high school.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
That was the funniest thing about that summer league, his
rookie Palo bank Caro's rooieyear summer league, because we'd come
up an entire offseason, or not an off season, but
like the entire draft prep. In the draft coverage was
Palo ben Caro or Jabari Smith Junior Who's gonna go
number one? And then of course it ended up being Palo.
But then seeing those two guys lay each other in
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summer league, I was like, Palo is twice as big
as Jabbari. He's so much like he's taller and he's
twice as thick, And I was like, Yeah, that is
one of the biggest people I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I mean, he's a staggering.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Physical specimen, which I guess is why the magic of
the only team going for it in the Eastern Conference,
the only team full bore trying to win it. Dave,
let's take a break and let's get into some more
of these summer league names. Go through a few more
of the first rounders, and also some other observations. All right, Dave, So,
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Trey Johnson looked pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
The Wizards.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I give them credit for putting together a fun summer
league team. He got Alex sar out there playing bub
Carrington out there playing a J Johnson dunking the ball
like crazy, of course, acquired in the Chris Middleton deal.
And then Trey Johnson looked pretty good. He's one of
the lottery guys who did. Actually it seem like he
performed pretty well. But again, his the talent level around him,
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just with all those guys having a lot of games
played last year, that obviously benefits. It's you know, it's
hard to separate the team performance in the individual performances.
Did you have a chance to see the two guys
the Pelicans took or did you hear anything about him?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Saw a couple of high him, I saw fears you
know that that big miss dunk? Mm yeah, yeah, But
that's about it. What did I miss?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean, there are guys where.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
When I have the standard of I'm trying to be impressed,
I'm like, let's see what it is. And also like
Queen was like the idea of him. I watched that
one of those games in the tournament that he played,
and I'm like, I love this just to just to
power forward, you know, like old school game, and you
would think I would think it would be well built
for summer League, Like this is the guy w's gonna
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put up twenty and he is. I think he has
averaging double digit rebounds, but none of it was that impressive.
They have Eves Missy playing Eves is shooting an unbelievably
low percentage for his game. He's maybe maybe I missed
the game where he was stretching out a lot and
trying a lot of jumpers. His his numbers aren't aren't
aren't very good. Trying to think that there's anybody else. Yeah,
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the uh, the nets guy uh didn't do anything for me.
I will say guys who I think have the best
buzz uh. I heard a lot of positive stuff about
Jase Richardson from the Magic I heard he was, you know,
he's got undersized guard. But like tough shot maker, and
he was still making tough shots. And so the unanswerable
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question in summer league is, well, will he make tough
shots against better competition right in the regular season if
there was a redraft right now, sources are telling me,
I mean, I guess after young High number two might
be Walter Clayton junior.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He played one game and he looked awesome, and he
was good. He was good in Utah.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I mean, this is a guy I remember seeing this
before the Final four. He was like a second rounder
on all the mock drafts and stuff, and then after
the Final Four he was like a late first rounder.
And then Utah gets him like fifteen or somewhere in
the like the middle of the first round, and he
looked really good, just always.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I mean, it was one in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It was just one game, and again he was going
up against maybe a not great Hornets squad, I mean
Hornet squad with guys you've heard of, right, I mean,
they drafted a lot of guys to Jean Salons still playing,
but like, uh, he was awesome, just the just the
lead guard who can score with the ball in his hands.
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He's always just so impressive. And again maybe something is
built for it. But like Walter Clayton Junior looks like
I don't know, and.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
He's well built for a small guard right, like he's sturdy.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I mean, I don't know. We make Front of the
Jazz a lot for like what are they doing?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
But oh, these are two great picks, two great picks.
I mean the Ace Bailey thing is a no brainer.
Ye where they got him? And I like Walter Clayton.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah. Ace Bailey hasn't played since the Utah Summer League
as he's dealing with injury going through the lottery.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Cedric Coward has not played yet. I saw Cedric Coward
walking through the gym. Of course he's a rookie, and
I don't think he knew that he was a VIP.
I mean, also he might have bought a ticket. He
was just walking through the concourse, just like with a
couple of people that I think were like friends or
family or something. No one, you know, no one with
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a credential, no one with the thing around their neck
was with him. And then he was just standing in
line trying to get into the small gym with all
the other just fans, And I was like.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
He didn't go through the secret player tunnel. He didn't
do He didn't do any of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like I honestly was like thinking about, like, am I
supposed to go get someone to be like, hey, that's
a that's an NBA player, he's a rookie. Could you
help him out?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
A buddy, hed buddy.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Some some Phoenix Sun's assistant coach came up and started
talking to him, So I was like, eventually it'll get
worked out.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, yeah, I bet he'll be okay.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
And he hasn't played U going to the last pick
of the draft. Jami Mayshack, Oh yeah, chrislies hustle guy.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He's been pretty impressive. Other storylines, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
There's a lot of talk about the Lakers, of course,
with Lebron James being there and all the trade drama.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I'm more a lot of smoke, a lot of smoke.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I'm more interested in Dalton Connect's broken husk of a
of a game. He's just like, I mean, he got
traded and then untraded, and it's like he hasn't exactly
bathed himself in glory. You think he would, uh in
this level of competition. He hasn't been that great. He
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hasn't been as as bad as some guys. Actually, Dave,
let's go ahead and go to the awards segment of
the program.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
This is This is the International Stackhosic Pancakes Award. This
is a cumulative award for Summer League.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And this actually is gonna have a lot to do
with Carter Bryant, who he talked about Carter Bryant like, uh,
you know which, I've said it many times.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I want someone to take my breath away.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
He did take my breath away with that defense against
Cooper Flag. He's shown so much on the defensive end,
We're like, whoa, that's great, but then it turns out
he can't shoot at all.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Like that was a question mark apparently.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
But like, I don't know if the Spurs, if they're
going to try to win games this year, if he
can't do anything, like if you can do literally zero
on the offensive end.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I feel like that guy could go be an NFL
wide receiver, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
He's he's an insane athlete.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Oh, I gotta I gotta give give a shout out
to a Chuck from the from the Chuck and Darts podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I never met him before you introduced me to him.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I ended up watching basketball with him and I got
to give him this compliment.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I'll give it to him here on air.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
First, he watches basketball with joy in a way I
talked about how like you know, a lot of India media,
you don't clap, you just jaded. You just watch it.
That man has joy. That man like when someone does
a good play, he claps and says, oh yes. He
also feels agony. It sounds like he feels agony when
the player, like he. I was watching the one of
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the Carter Brant games with him and he kept just
like being like, oh no, when Carter Brant, we get
the ball and he would like do a dribble and
then nothing.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
He's like, oh no.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
He watches basketball like a human being. Man.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, he was real excited about always play.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
He's like so nice. Yeah, it was super fun. I mean,
I don't know, if you listen, I should tell him, hey,
I had a great time hanging out. Yeah, I'll text
him too, But anyways about it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
For the International Stackhouse of Pancakes, this is given to
the worst performance in a box Score Award. This is
a Vegas cumulative Award, and we have a few honorable mentions.
I have to I have to honor Ty Johnson for
the Lakers. He's oh for ten in two games. We
got a jaquatch cooking in the Summer League, OH for ten.
Four Ty Johnson, Jalen Slawson, Buddy Beheim, and Nate Santo
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all oh for seven so far in Summer League. And
again this is through the games played on Wednesday, July sixteenth.
I like to recognize Marquise Noel the Bucks.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
He's three for.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Nineteen in four games. That's sixteen percent, almost all three pointers,
though two for fifteen from the group point line. Uh.
Let's see Alex Touey the Warriors. He's a smooth seven
for twenty seven through three games. Alandis Williams and Hunter
Tyson they're both nine for twenty eight in four games.
And then, uh yeah, here's our three nominees. Dave the
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worst cumulative Summer League shooting the basketball Carter Bryant in
three games, three for twenty four, shades of Alex Sar's
Summer League last year. Last year, He's three for twenty four,
including one for twelve on three pointers. That is twelve
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and a half percent.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Okay, So Carter, Carter Bryance is shooting shooting the twelve and.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
A half percent Hunter sallas for the seventy six ers.
In four games, he's eight for thirty three. That's twenty
four percent. He's zero for ten from the three point line.
If you ignore that three point shooting, he's right over
thirty three percent.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And and then in two games, Isaiah Mobley one first thirteen,
one of the thirteen.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I've seen with my eyes this year, Keith, what are
we doing? What are we doing? Guys?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Is this a different Isaiah Mobley?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
All right, yeah, so Isaiah Mobley.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
My eye test. I mean that's the problem is that
I saw Isaiah Mobley play and he was so bad disinterested. Maybe, uh,
I don't know. It's Carter Bryant man I three for
twenty four is really bad, special and one of twelve from.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
And he made Chuck from Chuck and Dart so sad.
He just kept saying, oh, no, guys getting up shots.
I mean, read Shepherd, so read Shepherd played two games.
His his first game was statistically unreal, like a box score,
and it was like twenty eight points, three blocks, four steals.
I was like, what, I went back and watched that
one because I was like, let's see for each opper,
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because Reach Shepherd cooked all of last Summer League. He
was amazing last summer and then did not play his
Riaki year, And so I went back and I went
back and watched it. Yeah, it wasn't that, and it
was like, yeah, he was taking the ball from bad
people you know where You're like, wasn't as impressive, but
again the rocketsaw two games.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Uh good enough.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
He he got up forty four shots in two games.
Cooper got up. Cooper got up forty two shots in
two games. Very impressive. Our our next highest chuckers with
Filipowski and Drew Chimney at three and four already already mentioned.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, this doesn't include that Edgecombe had twenty five shots
in his first Summer League game.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This is this is just Vegas. I'm just talking Vegas
right here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Uh, edge Comb, he put him up. Uh, He's put
up some shots. Rob Dillingham has been putting us some shots.
He's averaging seventeen field goal attempts a game. Seventeen points
on seventeen field goal attempts. Maybe not the best of
Caleb Love from the Trailblazers, averaging eighteen field goal attempts,
shooting thirty six percent. So I respect these guys getting
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their shots up. I mean, why be there, You're not
gonna if you're not gonna.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Put it up, work stuff, Davil Censor a listener, smooth question.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Let me ask you a question first, okay, please? Who
just see this year that you geeked out the hardest
for an inside? I mean, you know you're not doing
it out externally, but who did you like run into?
Who'd you meet?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You mean you mean out of basket. You're a big
player spotter, So I.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Mean, yeah, you mean you know, did you did you
see Magic Johnson?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
You know I didn't see Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
This is also where I feel like I've lost by fastball.
I used to walk the strip for hours.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Just looking for people.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I'm like, man, I want to see celebrities, you know,
and I would just do it. I don't think I
took a step. I didn't take a single step north
of the Cosmopolitan, like I just I basically went between
three casinos.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
No I did. Yeah, yeah it was good.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
But like I I mean, of course I took the
I took the cab all the way to Fremont Street,
but like I didn't do any just like ramble around
and like just look for NBA players like people. Let's yeah,
that's true too, I'll say I did. I did have
one interaction where I fanned out. You know, like normally,
if you see an NBA person, you're supposed to leave
them alone, like as as media, you just leave them
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malone or whatever. Especially in the gym specifically, it's like
you don't go up to anybody. But riding the elevator
of my casino in the hotel, Kenyon Martin got on
with me, and I was a little starstruck. And I'm
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just I'm wearing like grizzly shorts and like a plain
T shirt. I'm going down to pick up my coffee
and like and it was just like the thing where
it's just me and him, like he like like he
walks on and I was just like, hey, you're a
great player, man, I love watching you play.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
He's like, you said that, that's what I said. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I didn't like hit him up.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I was just like I was like I was like
I was so excited to be I was trying to
think of which, because I don't think it's a long
list of NBA players who were in my if they
were in my elevator that I would have that I
would say anything too. I would like, I would like
text the slack and be like, hey, guys, I'm in
the elevator with so and so. I'm in the elevator
Channing Fry. But I wouldn't say anything to Channing Fry,
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you know. But like Kenny and Martin is like that
guy's cool, and so I was like, you're awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And I had a.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Great question actually from the listener slack. They said, was
I on the kiss tattoo side or the non.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Kiss tattoo side, non kiss tattoo side? Yeah, there it is.
Now that was did you have one? Did you have one?
Were you again? Like it's weird to separate the like.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
The actual business element and talking element versus like just
fan boying out and seeing someone and being I mean,
like still seeing Victor wimbin Yama and Lebron James. You're
like those people feel more, they're larger than life, and
it feels a little bit different, I mean, and.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
There's no way to talk about it without it being like, well,
you know, I run into those guys all the time. Uh,
this year was, I mean, it was, Honestly, it was
kind of a weird year where I wasn't I wasn't
mixing it up in those places like, you know, I
wasn't in the tunnel a lot or we're down on
the floor a ton, although apparently I did. Apparently I
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was kind of all over TV saying what's up to Mamu,
which I didn't you know, I would never do on Murpose,
so that's kind of funny. I ran into Juwan Howard, Oh,
that's fun out, and we were like walking up the
stairs like we were kind of like walking in the
same direction together. But I didn't talk to him because gotcha,
I don't bother people. But that was that was probably
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about as close as I came to somebody who I
hadn't I hadn't seen before. I mean, meeting Magic Johnson
was sort of the That was the one where I
was maybe the most starstruck I've ever been in my life.
Right right right, that was you know, random.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
That's that's pretty amazing. I'm trying I'm blanking right now.
I'm trying to remember the celebrity encounter. I saw a
couple of years ago where it was like, I.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Think I was walking behind. I have to go back
and listen to an old episode because.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I was I was walking behind like Reggie Miller and
someone comes up to him and misidentifies him, and I
was like, that was that was one of the best
things I've ever seen, you know. It was like, oh, like, hey,
are you saying Thomas or something. It was something like that.
It was one of those where I got tickled to death,
you know, like, yeah, man, I'm trying to I don't know, Yeah,
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I gotta say, just saying trying to compliment Kenny de
Martin on an elevator was what was the closest thing
I had to that. I mean, I was excited to
see John Morant because like, John Moran hasn't show up
for Summer lye in a while.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
That was kind of fun. Yeah, he was there. He
took the Lebron James chair. I guess they just reserved
that one chair.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
It's like the same it's the safest chair in the gym.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yes, it's the safest one to find with the camera
r that.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And it's like the furthest from the just the general
admission people.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, people, yeah, yes, furthest from the people, yeap, very safe.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Let's answer a listener submitted question, Dave, this is a
non summer leink question.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is the croissant question. Nah, any questions?
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Are you going to finish that croissant?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Knock yourself out? All right?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Dave Agnes, the question master, wants to know.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Does Cole Anthony instantly become the best point guard on
the Bucks?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yes? Yes, he's the best ball handler for sure. Nothing
nothing cole Anthony. No, Cole Anthony has a better handle.
I mean, you know, Giannie is Maybe we could say
he's more effective because he's honest, you know, the way
he gets through and around people. But no, no, cole
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Anthony has the most consistent handle on the team. Like,
is he the starter? I?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I I actually was guessing they would just start Kevin
Porter Junior and Gary Trent Yeah in the backcourt, I mean,
or just start oh man, could they start?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
He's gonna have to be on the court when Giannie
is off. You've got to stagger Cole Anthony and Yannis minutes.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Very I mean, like, how many minutes can Ryan Rollins handle.
I mean that's a good question. He's gonna play to
find out.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, we're gonna find out.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I mean they're gonna start. I mean, honestly, they shouldn't
start Kuzma, right.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
No, definitely not because they not. I would, I would
start Bobby Portis. Maybe like just go Yannis, Bobby Portis,
Miles Turner and just hope you know.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I mean I was honestly thinking Jannis, Miles Turner, and
then like Tory and Prince Gary, then your bench you
have Bobby Portis and Kuzma and Cole.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I mean that's a horrible defensive second in it. I
don't know, is a great spot for Cole Anthony.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I mean he's gonna get, of course, the buy out
from the Grizzlies and goes to the Bucks on the
minimum and it's gonna get all the minutes. Great opportunity
for Cole. I meyes, well, I mean he gets to go.
I mean he gets to go from the backup, He
gets to go from like I mean, he wasn't ever
gonna be on the Grizzlies, but like being the third
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or fourth guard on the on the eight or nine
seed in the West versus being what sixth in minutes
on a playoff team in the East. So I think
that's a yeah, it's gonna be I assume a lot
of shots.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
It's a good pickup for Milwaukee, by the way, I
is I I think we mentioned that last week, just
like even though, because because I was laughing about the
depth chart of some of these teams.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I was laughing on the depth chart of like the Celtics,
we're like one through three or one through four, You're like,
oh wow, they're still really really good. And then you
get to like the five spot, and it's like Luke Garza,
you know, like there's there's just no center on the team.
And much like the Bucks just had no guards, We're
like there's no But you would think eventually someone is
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going to come and just play basketball on this team, right,
why not Chris Paul.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
This is so I'm so confused by this man like
Chris Paul. That seems like a good spot because he
would play. Maybe you know, if everything goes right, Giannis
could take him to the finals. For sure. I believe
in that.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I mean, I'm I'm worried as again in vested interest sons.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Guy that forty one year old goes to the Suns.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I mean, all of a sudden, were Bridges burned in Phoenix?
I mean he's already been there. It seems like he
would go back only Miles Bridges well done. You know
Devin Booker, who's gonna sign or has signed this like
seventy five million dollars a year contract extension. Yeah, his
all time winning percentage without Chris Paul. He's too basically
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two hundred and three hundred in the NBA in his
career without Chris Paul.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
So bring it back. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Bring bring Chris Paul back. Here's another question from Major Rich.
Would you rather be a Warriors fan post Steph Curry?
So we have to look into the future on that one, or.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
A Nets fan.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
I think this is a fun question, Dave, because we
recorded a podcast for The Athletic where we picked the
teams with the bleakest futures, and I was like, I
don't care how many people they just drafted or how
many draftis they have. I cannot peer into a crystal
ball for the Nets and be excited about anything.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
I will say something we did overlook on that episode,
which was a lot of fun. Yeah, none of us
said the Warriors, and it is extremely bleak.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
The Warriors, Yeah, everyone on that team is old and
they have nothing coming behind them. But yeah, the Nets.
The Warriors at least have ownership with a ton of money, yes,
and that can help quite a bit. And they've got
I don't know, I just feel like it's a more
marquee name at this point. If nothing else, the Warriors
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are still going to be the Warriors, and the Nets
haven't won anything, so you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, there is part of it where I then start
thinking about the conference, like if I were just starting
it absolute zero, which is what the Nets are, and
it's where the Warriors might be after Steph Curry. It's like,
well I might I might choose yeah yeah, yeah, but
who knows.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I mean it's only been our entire lives, Dave, that
it's been that way right right.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah. They were terrible.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Warriors were really bad time for a long time. Yeah,
and then they got Steph Curry. So I guess, uh,
you know, if the Nets draft Steph Curry, I'm in yep.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Also, Dave, when we recorded for the Athletic we.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Like, well, we're picking bleakest teams.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
It was easier I thought to pay teams with like
a negative outlook. Maybe it's just the second apron thing
and the hard cap. But there's like every team you're like, well,
this specific part of their future isn't ideal.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
They can get around it.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
But there's a lot of problems picking the most optimistic teams,
the brightest teams, but a little bit harder, even though
plenty of teams have some upside. But we were we
were laughing because you try to toe the line. I'm
with the Sixers where it's like, listen, under the very
specific circumstance where we were saying, of the lottery teams,
who would you rather be, And it's like, I guess
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the Sixers because they have these chances with the edge,
Comb and McCain and you already have Maxi and if
Embiid can play basketball, they're good.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
And George and then Paul George. I'm not laughing at
the knee surgery, but laughing at you know.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, that's not ideal for the Sixers. I guess that's
the breaking in relatively breaking India news in the past
few days, Paul George knee surgery. They're hoping he and
Embeid will be available for training camp.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Is that right? They're both they're hoping still that both
of them are available for training camp.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, they're hoping. They're hoping, They're hoping. Honestly, Keith, I
think we're going to be hearing a lot about a
few teams hoping for guys to be ready for training camp.
There's been sneaky amount of surgeries, yeah, in this offseason.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I mean a non sneaky number of injuries in the
last regular season. Sure, and people are people taking care
of and stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
The hidden injuries, right like Jade Dubb with his wrists,
Anthony Davis with the retina, Jared Jackson with the with
the turf toe, the turf toe.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I guess we should acknowledge a couple more of these
things to wrap up the show.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Jamir Young scored forty for the Bulls. Tyres Proctor had
a thirty five point game for the Cavaliers.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
The Raptors, the Summer Raptors have been good.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, Murray Boyles has been, as advertised, a good defensive stopper.
That team also has like NBA talent, They have a
lot of their a lot of their bench guys from
last year are back and playing. Any other thing, any
other final observation you got. I'm trying to make sure
I'm not missing any obvious thing that has come out
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of the Summer League.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
No, I mean there was there was the expansion news
non news that were just I mean the owners. A
lot of the owners don't want to expand, right because
of splitting the media revenue. But then a lot of
owners want to expand because you get to split the
giant stack of cash that gets handed over without splitting
it with the players, right, Like I mean, if you
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think about it, this Lakers sale that just happened really
moves the valuation of a of a expansion franchise into
that four to five billion dollars and it's just cash
that goes right to the owners. I don't know, it
feels like this is a is this the NBA's AI.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Right where they never expand, but they're constantly teasing it
to just you know what I mean? I thought, I
thought it's a way. It's a way key to you're leveraging,
like you're almost working. Some of these other places, look
Oklahoma City Thunder or they're up for sale, yep. Right,
they're they're getting a new arena already, so maybe they're
not going to move. Probably not going to move, but
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there are other teams that are probably looking to upgrade
their their situation.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Have been on the market for a while. They'd been
kind of dragging their feet on purpose for a bit.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
But now that's that's.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Having Seattle, having Seattle in Las Vegas as destinations. I
mean the NFL teams did this for a long time, right,
Like the Raiders were working over Oakland, LA. I mean
they were working everybody. And I think having having Seattle
and Las Vegas as these foils or a team could
potentially move. I think it's advantageous for the NBA. So
(52:05):
I don't know if there's really an internal appetite to
do it. I would I would say that the talent
is there to expand, Like you could add thirty guys
to the league and it could withstand it.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Here's here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And this might be too much of me, just like
naval gazing, going back into my my rote routines about basketball.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
I don't want to add two more.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Teams if losing is still incentivized. And I see yes,
and I see no, way that's ever going to change.
There seems to be no interest in making it a
competitive league that does not reward losing. So like two
more teams run by two more analytically focused.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Ring chasing. Tear down or ramp up are the two options.
And it's like.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
That part does not seem that exciting to me, because
because you're gonna have we're talking let's say we expand
and there's an expansion draft and Seattle ends up with
Cole Anthony starting point guard, in kraw Kusma's starting power four,
and do you think they're gonna try to win basketball games? No,
So adding two teams whose job is to lose that
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sounds garbage.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Like you gotta make it so they can only protect
five guys or something.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
I'm just saying, like, right now we have thirty teams.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah, in any season, by the time you get to
the end of the year, eight of them actively.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Want to lose.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
We're gonna increase the number of teams that actively want
to lose by like twenty percent if it's.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Like just eight to ten.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
I'm just saying, adding two teams who for multiple years
aren't going to play real basketball. In February more Arch
in April. To me, that makes the product much worse.
This is the angle no one's talking about.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Dave. I agree with that. I agree with that, but
but anyway, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
I thought it was I thought it.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Was really funny that I'm Silver's like, we are now
going to start researching expansion, and I was like, what
do you mean you haven't. This is like the Wizard saying,
like we're we're still tearing down. It's like, I was, like,
you've been researching expansion for years, Adam Silver.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
I thought it was really funny. He said, nothing's predetermined.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
They might not do it because there are factions who
don't necessarily want to do it, but like there there
is the talent in the league right now to put
together thirty two competitive basketball team.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
I agree with that, yep.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
So that part of it, it makes a ton of
sense to do expansion.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
Especially with the second April the way it is, Yeah,
especially because the talent is just going to be you know,
you're gonna have to have ten guys to win a title,
and that means you're not gonna have three max guys.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
So the game, like the financial game, has just completely changed.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
I also think it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
They talked about how they're getting close to a league
pass that has the regional sports networks they're getting, they thinking,
but it's still several years away. I think it was
the twenty seven to twenty eight season. They hope they're
going to have something like maybe eighteen to twenty of
the local teams where you don't have to have your
(55:38):
own regional sports network provider. It'll be priced in so
I can watch Chris's games through League Pass. I won't
be blacked out from summer league games for two weeks
until they finally until the contest ends the nation.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
You just bring back ball streams, bring back bass.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
But you know, yep, all right, Neat Clifford's been good
the very old first round drafting for the Kings.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
I was trying to got a great name, great name.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Anyways, that's all for today. Dave, you're going vacation. How
long are you gonna be out? I mean work slash pleasure.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
I mean all pleasure.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
I mean there's a little bit of work, don't you know.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
You don't do anything for fun always.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
But I'll be in Europe, so I'll see I'll see work.
People that I'm friends with, you know, but uh yeah,
three weeks. Yeah, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Sounds good.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
Enjoy your spect to Georgia. Gonna take a midnight playing
to Georgia. Nice.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yeah, I'm singing that in my head anyways. Thanks everybody
for listening.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
If you want more from us, you can join up
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Speaker 2 (56:50):
You guys are the best. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I remember breakfast is the most important things.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Things sont conglish
All right, and welcome to Fast Break Breakfast MBA podcast.
My name is Keith Parrish, and I'm here once again
with my buddy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Through the miracle of computer phone, I'm here.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
With Dave DeFore. Dave with a treat for the YouTube viewers.
You caught me off guard. I thought initially you were
wearing a Memphis Sounds throwback.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You're wearing a red and white Baywatch tank top. Dave,
thank you for the invisible treat.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Summertime, Keith, the guns out, suns out. That's right, summertime.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
You're back at home. We met up in Las Vegas.
It is day eight of Las Vegas Summer League. Both
you and I back home. I'm in my basement in Tennessee.
I don't normally have the AC vents open in the
basement because obviously the AC pools down in the basement naturally.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
But it's so hot everywhere. I just showered.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I have not a I'm not adjusted to the Tennessee
sweltering misery. It was more pleasant in Las Vegas. It
was like ninety eight in Las Vegas, which is really hot,
very very hot. It's not hot for Las Vegas in July.
Coming back home to Tennessee and it's ninety with like
one hundred percent humidity. I'm like, this is this is
(01:32):
unworkable day. Tell me it's what's like balmy seventy one?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
What do you mean? You know it is sixty nine
degrees right now? God beautiful. You could wear a hoodie.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You're gonna get a chill wearing that, and they watch
tank top.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
That's the thing is, you know, you can wear a
hoodie here every day. You know, if you're in the shade,
it's so nice. If you get a little cool, you
just step into the sun. It's very much like a
dog's life out here. It's really nice.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That is pretty good. I'm very very jealous. Now I'm warm,
just showered.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Also, I'm gonna get a thing which I don't think
you have to deal with. I'm gonna get headphone hair.
If I put on the headphones, well, my hair's wet.
When I take it off, it's like really pressed in
the rest of my hair is like kind of it
looks like I've shaped.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah, it's kind of hatthead.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It actually makes me me look like I have like
the the Johnny Furfy haircut pressed on the side, which
also is just my way of shoehorning, and is that Furfey.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
It's like a it's like a bowl and a mullet.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's sort of a mullet. It's like a yeah, yeah,
it's sort of a mullet. Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Furfey provided the most exciting moment of Summer League. I
was happy to be able to witness it live in
the gym. I think everyone saw the clip on Sports
Center or on social media or wherever goes behind the
back loses Modess Bzealis then rises up for one of
the better cockback dunks I've ever seen. I gotta tell
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people the thing you maybe didn't get if you weren't
there at Summer League. Of course, the gyms are filled
with team executives, media people, all of us podcaster folks,
ex NBA players, current NBA players. Most of these people
when they watch basketball are subdued. They are maybe jaded,
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but also just to keep it cool. It's like the
comedian go into a show who doesn't laugh, so like
it's a very subdued crowd. When Johnny Furfey posterized that guy, Noah,
I don't have to say name a Singe whatever the
lottery pick from the Bulls.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, I'm talking team.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Executives did like the Rucker Park and one tour, like
they stood up and like turned circles people recovering their face.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, I was sitting beside you, your athletic co host s,
who just like punched me in the arm really hard.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
He's a very excitable basketball watcher. It was.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It was a special moment, uh, Johnny Ferfey, great game,
great dunk.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, I was in the concourse coming to find you.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Guys, right and you hear the noise. I'm on the screen.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I was. I happened to be watching when it happened, So.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
It was it was a special moment.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Also also Johnny Furfy looking looking sharp, turning his Finals
experience into Summer League dominance.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, I mean he looked extremely athletic. Uh Like he
was faster than those guys, which is is a good
sign for a second year guy.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, he was going, I mean in this game, he
knew where to be in this game. Modess Bizilis had
a very good game.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Modas Bzilis has been very impressive the games he's actually
suited up and played at Summer League. But Furfy was
sort of toe to toe, where like Furfey doesn't have
the same draft pedigree of Boozillis, but it was impressive showing. Uh,
I feel like the two finals guys AJ Mitchell and
John I'm not sure if anybody else actually played at
the Finals and then also played at Summer League, but A. J.
(05:00):
Mitchell also very impressive. For the Thunder Dave Today's episode,
here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna go through every
Summer League player and give our impressions of what and
I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Or not, just get up generally about things.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I gotta say, I'm losing my fastball, my summer league
fastball specifically, Dave. I feel like years past, it was
like I sit there all day. I get so excited.
I'm like trying to watch every every game. There's like
some this year where I walk in it was like
a Rockets Hawks game.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Rocks Hawks, as I like to say.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And uh, and I'm I'm looking at the court, I'm like,
who are these people? And I'm like, I'm like, Jacob
Toppins the leading scorer in this game. That game, by
the way, you are like, oh, Kennedy Chandler is the
leading school who are these.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, so I feel like I wasn't. I wasn't staying
until the bitter end.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I saw a sunset in Las Vegas for the first
time because normally I'm inside the gym.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Normally I'm in the gym the last evening, I waited
to a.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Picture of it. You took a picture of it. I remember, no,
I remember there was walking out.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
There was this spectacular one that I was like, i
was on my way to a dinner and I'm like,
like the sun was going down over the mountains, and
I was like, I've never seen this. I've seen it
go down, I guess over the casinos over the strip,
like right, basically a view from Thomas and Mack.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
But I was driving off a little bit.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I left the gym early, going to like a regular
dinner time, like my body. I wasn't accustomed to it
because normally the routine is of course, it'd just in
the Pacific time is hard.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, Like normally i eat a lunch at.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Twelve Pacific time, and then I'm in the gym until
till nine or ten, and so like I'm starving because
the food of the gym is horrible, and so dinner
ends up being like ten thirty or something. This time
I'd prepped. I actually ate an extra sandwich on the
way to the gym. I I had a soul Bird
chicken sandwich thought was really good at like let's say
(07:04):
eleven thirty, and I was like, that was good. I'm
gonna buy another one and bring it to the gym.
So I had another one to like one. But then
it turned out that was an I'm like, oh, I
got invited to a seven o'clock dinner.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I'm like, I'm not a I'm not a customer of this.
That's a normal dinner time.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But anyways, leave the gym, watching the sun go down
over the mountains. I want to take a photo, but
it turns out the restaurant was in like a strip
mall and it was like a container store and a
whole foods and a like Buka Dibeppo blocking the view.
Once the car stopped, I can't see the mountains anymore.
I just see strip mall.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Dinner was great, though, those Vegas strip mall restaurants, they
you know who it was.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I gotta say it was really good day. What's the
best food you had in Vegas? I know you're not
gonna give me any good breakfast talk.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I had a really nice cacio pepe at a place
called mother Wolf at place. Yeah it was, it was,
it was pretty nice. Probably was the best thing I ate.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
It was.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It was the last last night I was in Vegas.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
The Strip Mall restaurant was an Indian restaurant, and I
don't know the name of hardly any of the dishes.
You know, it was like I don't I mean, like
one of them was butter chicken, all remember that, But
but it was like a bunch of other things and I.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Didn't know what the names were. I don't know. Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I did enjoy the twenty vegetable rice you brought. You
brought me to that was something you were you were
seeking out. We had that together one.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Meal China, which I will say.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I will say this was one of the best eating
summer leagues I've had.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And I think it's because the Strip was dead, because
nobody was empty. It was empty. It was easy to
get tables at restaurants. It wasn't this. You had to
get a reservation beforehand.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Not to get into politics, but yeah, I don't want
to know if it's a key economic indicator.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The strip was the lowest I've ever seen it in July. However,
Fremont Street in Old Vegas the busiest I've ever seen it,
So I don't know if that's just a little bit
cheaper casinos that's where everybody's at. Anyways, that was sort
of our breakfast. We talked about food after our breakfast.
We can do our breakfast in bed apologies, and we'll
get in some of the summer league stuff. We'll get into,
(09:23):
uh well, I don't know, some Brad Beal talk before
we do. Let's do a breakfast in bed apology. This
is my chance to make right. But I might have
gotten wrong on a previous episode frequently the first time
we talk.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
About the NBA, I think I'm not right. I'm not certain.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I think last episode I called trendon Watford Jabari Walker.
But here is my here's my excuse. I mean, one,
they're both on the Sixers, which I think I can.
I think I combine them in my head. They're both
like former trail Blazers.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's not that they play wildly dissimilar games. So I'm
pretty sure I got those mixed up last episode. But
both on the Sixers, so apologies to the fans of
both Jabari Walker and Trindon Watford. Also, Dave got a
lot of feedback from last episode. Oh, talking about Norm
Powell and Bradley Beal. I think Norm Powell, I mean,
(10:20):
the way we talked about on the show, I believe
Norm Powell has clearly been better than Bradley Bual for.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
A couple of seasons. Now, yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Clippers don't think so. I mean Clippers they got it done.
The buyout happened from the Suns or the one stretch. Well,
I mean they understand that Bradley bal two years at
eleven million, I'll take that over Norm Powell one year
at nineteen and then have to worry about it later. So,
I mean, I get it, but I think Norm Pal's
is a much better player currently agreed.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, Norm.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Powell plays sixty games a year and Bradley bill plays
forty games a year. So it's a little neither's.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Great, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Prognosticating which thirty thirty year old shooting guard is going
to play more games the next two seasons, it's kind
of hard and you know, so, like, I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
How many games do you think Beal playlis for the Clippers?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Forty four?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Okay, that's that's literally, that's his average games played of
the last five seasons. Yeah, I mean I said literally,
like it's an exact number. I'm pretty sure he played
ballpark two hundred and twenty games for the last five
season somewhere somewhere around there, at least.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
The son's part of this.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I don't, as someone with a vested interest in the
Sun's demise as a Grizzlies fan watching this pick swap
with the Suns next year. I don't like the stuff
they're doing. I mean, Bradley Fields a good player, but
I think this was the addition by subtraction, right, I mean, honestly,
they still need to guard. I don't like that ESPN
(11:55):
has Colin Gillespie as our starting point guard at Fields.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, that feels like a hole.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I mean, now, hang on, why would it be Colin Gillespie.
It's it'll be Booker, It'll be Jail and Green.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Current Green, I mean even Grayson Allen. Do like the
three guard thing? Maybe that yea, they don't have a
real traditional guard point guard. This move by the Suns
I think wraps up a like, of course there are
not many teams would trade places with them. Sorry matt Ishpia,
but like they've basically done everything they could this year. Also,
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the Waven stretch, like were we criticized the Bucks would
be like, man, you're putting a lot of money in
your future books. Yeah, that's that's tough for the Suns.
It saved them literally two hundred million dollars right, like
the the non tax payments, this is like two and
twenty million dollars. They saved as many million dollars as
Bradley Beal's games played in the last five seasons, just
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by stretching him.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So I get it. That's was it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Actually it was a Waven stretch. I didn't Yeah, I
saw a buyout report.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So yeah, yeah, because they did the stretch because it
takes them all the way out of the luxury tax like.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, I mean no, no, that made the most sense. Again,
it was it was the opposite, uh thing is the Bucks.
The Bucks weren't going to save nearly as much money.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I mean, the Bucks are trying to make more money
by saving Yannis. I mean I get that too. That's
a good financial decision.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
But now, now the Clippers. I mean they're.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
They're a team like many other teams who if their
best players play quite good.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I think the the brook Lop.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Has signing great and now it's just to Bradley Beal
and Kawhi play the same games? Are they both available
in the postseason? Could they not just go ahead and
plan out to like alternate just every other game, just
like I mean, you would think maybe week on, week off,
what's better for the NBA NBA athletes body day do
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you think?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Weird to see.
I think we're gonna find out a lot about Bradley
Beal this year. Yeah, Clippers always had a guy like this,
though they had a guy every season. Well, this is.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
This is this is a marquee franchise privilege. And you know,
congratulations for the Clippers that they for many years now
have been a marquis franchise. And this is a thing
that cannot happen for smaller teams like you don't get up, Yeah,
you don't get a Bradley Beal for five five and
a half million dollars. So this is the big market
(14:34):
advantage happening right here for the Clippers. But Uh, let's
go to some summer league stuff. Do you have any
big takeaways? I mean, I think we always focus on
the big names, like anybody exciting. I mean, I think
the Cooper flag thing. I'd never seen him play like
an entire game before, and so I got to see
one game in person. I watched the first game on television.
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I wasn't in Vegas yet. I thought he was incredibly exciting,
just like this guy actually is as advertised. I mean,
he called the first game he played, he said it
was one of the worst games he's ever played. It
was reminiscent of like Wimby's first game, where Wimby was
an absolute mess in his first game, but then in
the second game, Cooper, I would say, had thirty one
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easily in like a way where he wasn't even eye popping.
To be like, oh, this guy's just killing it. You're like, yeah,
this guy's this guy's kind of amazing. He hasn't done
anything spectacular and has ended up with thirty points. I'm
I'm like blown away, like, oh, yeah, this is whatever
I was talking about everybody else. I don't want to
put a huge blanket on it. No one took my
(15:40):
breath away. Besides that out of the first round. Yeah,
but I don't know who I'm supposed to be getting
shocked by or amazed by.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
I like the Spurs guys. I thought Dylan Harper was
really impressive. I mean he was dealing with an injury.
Carter Bryant looks like just freak of all freaks defensive athlete.
We'll see if the shot ever falls, if he ever
can hit just a corner three, that that guy is insane.
(16:09):
But other than that, you know what my big takeaway
is where all the second year guys?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, well that's not enough.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, the best player in Summer League, he's dominating as
the second year guy.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, it just felt like there should have been more
of those guys. Also disappointed that guys get shut down
so earlyly, but also I understand it. And then we
got to talk about Hanson Young.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, if that is amazing. Yeah, Hans and Young.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
His game against the Grizzlies wasn't nearly as good as
his first game. Then his next game he had he
had a few threes. Also, I keep hearing it, I
don't know, I don't even know the order I heard
Young Hanson and Hanson Young interchangeably.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Well, Young is his last name, right, what's yeah? Family
name right?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Right? So by you know Western convention, isn't it Hans
and Young? Kind of like the album.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Again, I don't know. If I knew the answer, I
would tell you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, I'll have to ask. Well, we'll have to ask
somebody who's gotten the guide on that he's been.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
He was fun. I'm a little dubious. He felt more
like Summer League novelty. I know you were super excited
about the passing. Yeah, like any big who can pass.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Yeah, And these were Look, some of these were basic passes,
but they were great reads, you know. And I think
when you can see the floor like that. And also
he was directing traffic the entire time on both ends.
He's calling it on defense.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's really funny.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I saw this on the broadcast a few times, like rewatching,
Like I rewatched the Grizzlies game, and the broadcasters are like, oh, yeah,
look at how he's pointing at his teammates telling him
where to go.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I'm like, not everyone loves that, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Mean I love it. That's right. And first play of
the game, first first play of the game for his
first Summer League game. He calls a pin down screen
for himself and he wanted to shoot it. Yeah, but
then you know, he got blown up, so he turns
it into a d h O. I don't know. I
think this guy is gonna be fun. Donovan Klingon is
gonna be a great backup to this guy.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Why isn't Donovan Klingon playing?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's what I don't get. Also, I want to see
him play together. Who cares if they're slow, they're huge.
Let's just see what happens. But yeah, I don't know
why Klingon didn't play. You know our friend Joey, Joey,
find that Brandon Pazemski out here.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He's right, you know, why is it okay? Let's turn
it back from Brandon Pozimski. Why isn't Quinton Post playing?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Oh well, Quinn Post has an injury, got an ankle injury.
I did, I did, I did get the the inside
scoop on that.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
We did have a few second year guys play. Ron
Holland is dominating. Ron Holland's incredible. He's on here. Joe
Well look pretty, Jana Walls looks good.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Reed Shepherd played a couple of games, and I think honestly. Uh,
he had a lot of trouble against Ron Holland. He
was like, he's not handling the Ron Holland pressure very well.
But like, yeah, Rechepberd played a couple of games. Terrence
Shannon the Timberwolves. Yeah he's turning heads.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, he's playing well.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Uh, he's a second he's the second year guy. He's
a if you're if you're a if you're a big
with any kind of ball skills dominant at Super League.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Drew Timmy is that is that is that gonna be
your new center.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
That's that's the nets starting center. The Nets.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I mean, like I've watched a couple of their games
and it's like, again, they took five guys in the
first round. Watching the games, you're like, who is their
top pick? It's like I have no idea, Like just
if they didn't have jerseys on, you know, it's like
I can't tell what anybody's doing. Like they maybe need
a table setter in Summer League. Even though they drafted
a lot of guards, it's still like I don't I
don't get what's happening here.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Man, they should have sent Cam Thomas. Imagine camp Thomas
was putting up in like fifty a game in Summer League.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Oh, speaking of buckets, U earth this name down? Is
it Jones Garcia?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Uh from the Spur.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, that guy is a bucket I've saw. I saw
a lot of the Spurs games.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
That guy is scribble so much.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
That guy.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But that guy's like Summer League goaded, you know, like
the guard who can just beat this level of competition.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yeah, just like uh, Sumergue was doing between the like crossover,
like you know, the the meme of the guy at
the pickup game. Yeah, I mean he was just he
looked angry.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Another Summer league legend, Javon Freeman Liberty. This is just
guards built for Summer League because that because there they
can get past this level of defense and uh and
you can kind of score it will.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Going back to the lottery guys, I mean I'm not
a draft person, and so you watch these Summer League
games and you're looking for him. You're saying, right, who,
let's see it. And like edge Combe only played one game.
Well I was and actually that was once I got back,
so I watched that. Yeah, he played his head a
wrist injury, he had the good the game he played
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in Utah was pretty good. The game he played in
Vegas was like, I guess a good second half. Also
hampering my summer league watching very strange blackout rules on
League Pass where it's like if you don't have ESPN Plus,
you can't get the games unless you dvrd them off
YouTube because they're not on League Pass until all of
the summer league is over.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So there's there's a lot of weird plad.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, I was trying to go back and watch this
Edgecomb game that I missed, the one after I got
back home to Nashville. H not available to watch, the
same situation with the Con Knipple game, so I caught
this second.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
So the first Con Kinipple game rough.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, the Hornets were getting dribbled around left and right
by the all the Jazz guys. Isaiah Callier just blowing
by that Kochbrinner guy as if he wasn't Therenipple. I'm
not keeping guys in front of him. He didn't score
very much. But then the second game, I watched most
of it in person. I wanted to rewatch it. It
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was in that weird blackout where I'm like, I can't
watch it, but can Nipple great bounce back game. Uh
in his second game. You mentioned Dylan Harper the second pick.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Dealing with an injury, but like if shooting's not his thing,
which is what I was told by the people who
seem to know, like shooting's not his thing, but like
also he couldn't really get by people that much, and
so I was like, oh, it's one of.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Those I don't work.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
It's okay, but like it's one of those things where
when you hear draft coverage, yeah, and it's like, you know,
Cooper flag and then clear number two Dylan Harper, and
so then when I watch him, I'm like, all right, let's.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
See clear number two.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And I'm like, eh, I'm not I Again, maybe I
had too much expectation.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I wanted to be. I wanted to be like wowed.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I wanted to have that feeling when I first saw
Palla ben Caaro and how he was bigger than every
human ever, right, I wanted that time I said that.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Did we ever talk about the first time I saw
Palo I'm not sure. He was fifteen, okay, at at
Team USA camp and it was like a high school camp.
So it was Jade McDaniel's senior year, I think of
high school, and he was also bigger than everybody in
the gym at fifteen. Yeah, I was like, oh wow,
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this is when we thought we were gonna get rid
of the one and done roll.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I was like, oh, well, there's the guy who's gonna
be the first high school or pick number one. He
just stood out in a gym full of like every
good high school.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
That was the funniest thing about that summer league, his
rookie Palo bank Caro's rooieyear summer league, because we'd come
up an entire offseason, or not an off season, but
like the entire draft prep. In the draft coverage was
Palo ben Caro or Jabari Smith Junior Who's gonna go
number one? And then of course it ended up being Palo.
But then seeing those two guys lay each other in
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summer league, I was like, Palo is twice as big
as Jabbari. He's so much like he's taller and he's
twice as thick, And I was like, Yeah, that is
one of the biggest people I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I mean, he's a staggering.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Physical specimen, which I guess is why the magic of
the only team going for it in the Eastern Conference,
the only team full bore trying to win it. Dave,
let's take a break and let's get into some more
of these summer league names. Go through a few more
of the first rounders, and also some other observations. All right, Dave, So,
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Trey Johnson looked pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
The Wizards.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I give them credit for putting together a fun summer
league team. He got Alex sar out there playing bub
Carrington out there playing a J Johnson dunking the ball
like crazy, of course, acquired in the Chris Middleton deal.
And then Trey Johnson looked pretty good. He's one of
the lottery guys who did. Actually it seem like he
performed pretty well. But again, his the talent level around him,
(25:05):
just with all those guys having a lot of games
played last year, that obviously benefits. It's you know, it's
hard to separate the team performance in the individual performances.
Did you have a chance to see the two guys
the Pelicans took or did you hear anything about him?
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Saw a couple of high him, I saw fears you
know that that big miss dunk? Mm yeah, yeah, But
that's about it. What did I miss?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean, there are guys where.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
When I have the standard of I'm trying to be impressed,
I'm like, let's see what it is. And also like
Queen was like the idea of him. I watched that
one of those games in the tournament that he played,
and I'm like, I love this just to just to
power forward, you know, like old school game, and you
would think I would think it would be well built
for summer League, Like this is the guy w's gonna
(25:59):
put up twenty and he is. I think he has
averaging double digit rebounds, but none of it was that impressive.
They have Eves Missy playing Eves is shooting an unbelievably
low percentage for his game. He's maybe maybe I missed
the game where he was stretching out a lot and
trying a lot of jumpers. His his numbers aren't aren't
aren't very good. Trying to think that there's anybody else. Yeah,
(26:23):
the uh, the nets guy uh didn't do anything for me.
I will say guys who I think have the best
buzz uh. I heard a lot of positive stuff about
Jase Richardson from the Magic I heard he was, you know,
he's got undersized guard. But like tough shot maker, and
he was still making tough shots. And so the unanswerable
(26:46):
question in summer league is, well, will he make tough
shots against better competition right in the regular season if
there was a redraft right now, sources are telling me,
I mean, I guess after young High number two might
be Walter Clayton junior.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He played one game and he looked awesome, and he
was good. He was good in Utah.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I mean, this is a guy I remember seeing this
before the Final four. He was like a second rounder
on all the mock drafts and stuff, and then after
the Final Four he was like a late first rounder.
And then Utah gets him like fifteen or somewhere in
the like the middle of the first round, and he
looked really good, just always.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I mean, it was one in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It was just one game, and again he was going
up against maybe a not great Hornets squad, I mean
Hornet squad with guys you've heard of, right, I mean,
they drafted a lot of guys to Jean Salons still playing,
but like, uh, he was awesome, just the just the
lead guard who can score with the ball in his hands.
(27:54):
He's always just so impressive. And again maybe something is
built for it. But like Walter Clayton Junior looks like
I don't know, and.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
He's well built for a small guard right, like he's sturdy.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I mean, I don't know. We make Front of the
Jazz a lot for like what are they doing?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
But oh, these are two great picks, two great picks.
I mean the Ace Bailey thing is a no brainer.
Ye where they got him? And I like Walter Clayton.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah. Ace Bailey hasn't played since the Utah Summer League
as he's dealing with injury going through the lottery.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Cedric Coward has not played yet. I saw Cedric Coward
walking through the gym. Of course he's a rookie, and
I don't think he knew that he was a VIP.
I mean, also he might have bought a ticket. He
was just walking through the concourse, just like with a
couple of people that I think were like friends or
family or something. No one, you know, no one with
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a credential, no one with the thing around their neck
was with him. And then he was just standing in
line trying to get into the small gym with all
the other just fans, And I was like.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
He didn't go through the secret player tunnel. He didn't
do He didn't do any of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Like I honestly was like thinking about, like, am I
supposed to go get someone to be like, hey, that's
a that's an NBA player, he's a rookie. Could you
help him out?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
A buddy, hed buddy.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Some some Phoenix Sun's assistant coach came up and started
talking to him, So I was like, eventually it'll get
worked out.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, yeah, I bet he'll be okay.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
And he hasn't played U going to the last pick
of the draft. Jami Mayshack, Oh yeah, chrislies hustle guy.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He's been pretty impressive. Other storylines, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
There's a lot of talk about the Lakers, of course,
with Lebron James being there and all the trade drama.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
I'm more a lot of smoke, a lot of smoke.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I'm more interested in Dalton Connect's broken husk of a
of a game. He's just like, I mean, he got
traded and then untraded, and it's like he hasn't exactly
bathed himself in glory. You think he would, uh in
this level of competition. He hasn't been that great. He
(30:10):
hasn't been as as bad as some guys. Actually, Dave,
let's go ahead and go to the awards segment of
the program.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
This is This is the International Stackhosic Pancakes Award. This
is a cumulative award for Summer League.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And this actually is gonna have a lot to do
with Carter Bryant, who he talked about Carter Bryant like, uh,
you know which, I've said it many times.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I want someone to take my breath away.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
He did take my breath away with that defense against
Cooper Flag. He's shown so much on the defensive end,
We're like, whoa, that's great, but then it turns out
he can't shoot at all.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Like that was a question mark apparently.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
But like, I don't know if the Spurs, if they're
going to try to win games this year, if he
can't do anything, like if you can do literally zero
on the offensive end.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I feel like that guy could go be an NFL
wide receiver, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
He's he's an insane athlete.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Oh, I gotta I gotta give give a shout out
to a Chuck from the from the Chuck and Darts podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I never met him before you introduced me to him.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I ended up watching basketball with him and I got
to give him this compliment.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
I'll give it to him here on air.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
First, he watches basketball with joy in a way I
talked about how like you know, a lot of India media,
you don't clap, you just jaded. You just watch it.
That man has joy. That man like when someone does
a good play, he claps and says, oh yes. He
also feels agony. It sounds like he feels agony when
the player, like he. I was watching the one of
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the Carter Brant games with him and he kept just
like being like, oh no, when Carter Brant, we get
the ball and he would like do a dribble and
then nothing.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
He's like, oh no.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
He watches basketball like a human being. Man.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, he was real excited about always play.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
He's like so nice. Yeah, it was super fun. I mean,
I don't know, if you listen, I should tell him, hey,
I had a great time hanging out. Yeah, I'll text
him too, But anyways about it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
For the International Stackhouse of Pancakes, this is given to
the worst performance in a box Score Award. This is
a Vegas cumulative Award, and we have a few honorable mentions.
I have to I have to honor Ty Johnson for
the Lakers. He's oh for ten in two games. We
got a jaquatch cooking in the Summer League, OH for ten.
Four Ty Johnson, Jalen Slawson, Buddy Beheim, and Nate Santo
(32:37):
all oh for seven so far in Summer League. And
again this is through the games played on Wednesday, July sixteenth.
I like to recognize Marquise Noel the Bucks.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
He's three for.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Nineteen in four games. That's sixteen percent, almost all three pointers,
though two for fifteen from the group point line. Uh.
Let's see Alex Touey the Warriors. He's a smooth seven
for twenty seven through three games. Alandis Williams and Hunter
Tyson they're both nine for twenty eight in four games.
And then, uh yeah, here's our three nominees. Dave the
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worst cumulative Summer League shooting the basketball Carter Bryant in
three games, three for twenty four, shades of Alex Sar's
Summer League last year. Last year, He's three for twenty four,
including one for twelve on three pointers. That is twelve
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and a half percent.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Okay, So Carter, Carter Bryance is shooting shooting the twelve and.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
A half percent Hunter sallas for the seventy six ers.
In four games, he's eight for thirty three. That's twenty
four percent. He's zero for ten from the three point line.
If you ignore that three point shooting, he's right over
thirty three percent.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And and then in two games, Isaiah Mobley one first thirteen,
one of the thirteen.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I've seen with my eyes this year, Keith, what are
we doing? What are we doing? Guys?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Is this a different Isaiah Mobley?
Speaker 3 (34:19):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
All right, yeah, so Isaiah Mobley.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
My eye test. I mean that's the problem is that
I saw Isaiah Mobley play and he was so bad disinterested. Maybe, uh,
I don't know. It's Carter Bryant man I three for
twenty four is really bad, special and one of twelve from.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
And he made Chuck from Chuck and Dart so sad.
He just kept saying, oh, no, guys getting up shots.
I mean, read Shepherd, so read Shepherd played two games.
His his first game was statistically unreal, like a box score,
and it was like twenty eight points, three blocks, four steals.
I was like, what, I went back and watched that
one because I was like, let's see for each opper,
(35:08):
because Reach Shepherd cooked all of last Summer League. He
was amazing last summer and then did not play his
Riaki year, And so I went back and I went
back and watched it. Yeah, it wasn't that, and it
was like, yeah, he was taking the ball from bad
people you know where You're like, wasn't as impressive, but
again the rocketsaw two games.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Uh good enough.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
He he got up forty four shots in two games.
Cooper got up. Cooper got up forty two shots in
two games. Very impressive. Our our next highest chuckers with
Filipowski and Drew Chimney at three and four already already mentioned.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, this doesn't include that Edgecombe had twenty five shots
in his first Summer League game.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
This is this is just Vegas. I'm just talking Vegas
right here. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Uh, edge Comb, he put him up. Uh, He's put
up some shots. Rob Dillingham has been putting us some shots.
He's averaging seventeen field goal attempts a game. Seventeen points
on seventeen field goal attempts. Maybe not the best of
Caleb Love from the Trailblazers, averaging eighteen field goal attempts,
shooting thirty six percent. So I respect these guys getting
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their shots up. I mean, why be there, You're not
gonna if you're not gonna.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Put it up, work stuff, Davil Censor a listener, smooth question.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Let me ask you a question first, okay, please? Who
just see this year that you geeked out the hardest
for an inside? I mean, you know you're not doing
it out externally, but who did you like run into?
Who'd you meet?
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
You mean you mean out of basket. You're a big
player spotter, So I.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Mean, yeah, you mean you know, did you did you
see Magic Johnson?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
You know I didn't see Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
This is also where I feel like I've lost by fastball.
I used to walk the strip for hours.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Just looking for people.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I'm like, man, I want to see celebrities, you know,
and I would just do it. I don't think I
took a step. I didn't take a single step north
of the Cosmopolitan, like I just I basically went between
three casinos.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
No I did. Yeah, yeah it was good.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
But like I I mean, of course I took the
I took the cab all the way to Fremont Street,
but like I didn't do any just like ramble around
and like just look for NBA players like people. Let's yeah,
that's true too, I'll say I did. I did have
one interaction where I fanned out. You know, like normally,
if you see an NBA person, you're supposed to leave
them alone, like as as media, you just leave them
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malone or whatever. Especially in the gym specifically, it's like
you don't go up to anybody. But riding the elevator
of my casino in the hotel, Kenyon Martin got on
with me, and I was a little starstruck. And I'm
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just I'm wearing like grizzly shorts and like a plain
T shirt. I'm going down to pick up my coffee
and like and it was just like the thing where
it's just me and him, like he like like he
walks on and I was just like, hey, you're a
great player, man, I love watching you play.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
He's like, you said that, that's what I said. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I didn't like hit him up.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I was just like I was like I was like
I was so excited to be I was trying to
think of which, because I don't think it's a long
list of NBA players who were in my if they
were in my elevator that I would have that I
would say anything too. I would like, I would like
text the slack and be like, hey, guys, I'm in
the elevator with so and so. I'm in the elevator
Channing Fry. But I wouldn't say anything to Channing Fry,
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you know. But like Kenny and Martin is like that
guy's cool, and so I was like, you're awesome.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
And I had a.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Great question actually from the listener slack. They said, was
I on the kiss tattoo side or the non.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Kiss tattoo side, non kiss tattoo side? Yeah, there it is.
Now that was did you have one? Did you have one?
Were you again? Like it's weird to separate the like.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
The actual business element and talking element versus like just
fan boying out and seeing someone and being I mean,
like still seeing Victor wimbin Yama and Lebron James. You're
like those people feel more, they're larger than life, and
it feels a little bit different, I mean, and.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
There's no way to talk about it without it being like, well,
you know, I run into those guys all the time. Uh,
this year was, I mean, it was, Honestly, it was
kind of a weird year where I wasn't I wasn't
mixing it up in those places like, you know, I
wasn't in the tunnel a lot or we're down on
the floor a ton, although apparently I did. Apparently I
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was kind of all over TV saying what's up to Mamu,
which I didn't you know, I would never do on Murpose,
so that's kind of funny. I ran into Juwan Howard, Oh,
that's fun out, and we were like walking up the
stairs like we were kind of like walking in the
same direction together. But I didn't talk to him because gotcha,
I don't bother people. But that was that was probably
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about as close as I came to somebody who I
hadn't I hadn't seen before. I mean, meeting Magic Johnson
was sort of the That was the one where I
was maybe the most starstruck I've ever been in my life.
Right right right, that was you know, random.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
That's that's pretty amazing. I'm trying I'm blanking right now.
I'm trying to remember the celebrity encounter. I saw a
couple of years ago where it was like, I.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Think I was walking behind. I have to go back
and listen to an old episode because.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I was I was walking behind like Reggie Miller and
someone comes up to him and misidentifies him, and I
was like, that was that was one of the best
things I've ever seen, you know. It was like, oh, like, hey,
are you saying Thomas or something. It was something like that.
It was one of those where I got tickled to death,
you know, like, yeah, man, I'm trying to I don't know, Yeah,
(41:01):
I gotta say, just saying trying to compliment Kenny de
Martin on an elevator was what was the closest thing
I had to that. I mean, I was excited to
see John Morant because like, John Moran hasn't show up
for Summer lye in a while.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
That was kind of fun. Yeah, he was there. He
took the Lebron James chair. I guess they just reserved
that one chair.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
It's like the same it's the safest chair in the gym.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Yes, it's the safest one to find with the camera
r that.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
And it's like the furthest from the just the general
admission people.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, people, yeah, yes, furthest from the people, yeap, very safe.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Let's answer a listener submitted question, Dave, this is a
non summer leink question.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
This is the croissant question. Nah, any questions?
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Are you going to finish that croissant?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Knock yourself out? All right?
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Dave Agnes, the question master, wants to know.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Does Cole Anthony instantly become the best point guard on
the Bucks?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yes? Yes, he's the best ball handler for sure. Nothing
nothing cole Anthony. No, Cole Anthony has a better handle.
I mean, you know, Giannie is Maybe we could say
he's more effective because he's honest, you know, the way
he gets through and around people. But no, no, cole
(42:38):
Anthony has the most consistent handle on the team. Like,
is he the starter? I?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I I actually was guessing they would just start Kevin
Porter Junior and Gary Trent Yeah in the backcourt, I mean,
or just start oh man, could they start?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
He's gonna have to be on the court when Giannie
is off. You've got to stagger Cole Anthony and Yannis minutes.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Very I mean, like, how many minutes can Ryan Rollins handle.
I mean that's a good question. He's gonna play to
find out.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, we're gonna find out.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I mean they're gonna start. I mean, honestly, they shouldn't
start Kuzma, right.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
No, definitely not because they not. I would, I would
start Bobby Portis. Maybe like just go Yannis, Bobby Portis,
Miles Turner and just hope you know.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I mean I was honestly thinking Jannis, Miles Turner, and
then like Tory and Prince Gary, then your bench you
have Bobby Portis and Kuzma and Cole.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I mean that's a horrible defensive second in it. I
don't know, is a great spot for Cole Anthony.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
I mean he's gonna get, of course, the buy out
from the Grizzlies and goes to the Bucks on the
minimum and it's gonna get all the minutes. Great opportunity
for Cole. I meyes, well, I mean he gets to go.
I mean he gets to go from the backup, He
gets to go from like I mean, he wasn't ever
gonna be on the Grizzlies, but like being the third
(44:17):
or fourth guard on the on the eight or nine
seed in the West versus being what sixth in minutes
on a playoff team in the East. So I think
that's a yeah, it's gonna be I assume a lot
of shots.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
It's a good pickup for Milwaukee, by the way, I
is I I think we mentioned that last week, just
like even though, because because I was laughing about the
depth chart of some of these teams.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I was laughing on the depth chart of like the Celtics,
we're like one through three or one through four, You're like,
oh wow, they're still really really good. And then you
get to like the five spot, and it's like Luke Garza,
you know, like there's there's just no center on the team.
And much like the Bucks just had no guards, We're
like there's no But you would think eventually someone is
(45:00):
going to come and just play basketball on this team, right,
why not Chris Paul.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
This is so I'm so confused by this man like
Chris Paul. That seems like a good spot because he
would play. Maybe you know, if everything goes right, Giannis
could take him to the finals. For sure. I believe
in that.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
I mean, I'm I'm worried as again in vested interest sons.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Guy that forty one year old goes to the Suns.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
I mean, all of a sudden, were Bridges burned in Phoenix?
I mean he's already been there. It seems like he
would go back only Miles Bridges well done. You know
Devin Booker, who's gonna sign or has signed this like
seventy five million dollars a year contract extension. Yeah, his
all time winning percentage without Chris Paul. He's too basically
(45:51):
two hundred and three hundred in the NBA in his
career without Chris Paul.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
So bring it back. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Bring bring Chris Paul back. Here's another question from Major Rich.
Would you rather be a Warriors fan post Steph Curry?
So we have to look into the future on that one, or.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
A Nets fan.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
I think this is a fun question, Dave, because we
recorded a podcast for The Athletic where we picked the
teams with the bleakest futures, and I was like, I
don't care how many people they just drafted or how
many draftis they have. I cannot peer into a crystal
ball for the Nets and be excited about anything.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
I will say something we did overlook on that episode,
which was a lot of fun. Yeah, none of us
said the Warriors, and it is extremely bleak.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
The Warriors, Yeah, everyone on that team is old and
they have nothing coming behind them. But yeah, the Nets.
The Warriors at least have ownership with a ton of money, yes,
and that can help quite a bit. And they've got
I don't know, I just feel like it's a more
marquee name at this point. If nothing else, the Warriors
(47:06):
are still going to be the Warriors, and the Nets
haven't won anything, so you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, there is part of it where I then start
thinking about the conference, like if I were just starting
it absolute zero, which is what the Nets are, and
it's where the Warriors might be after Steph Curry. It's like,
well I might I might choose yeah yeah, yeah, but
who knows.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Maybe.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I mean it's only been our entire lives, Dave, that
it's been that way right right.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah. They were terrible.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Warriors were really bad time for a long time. Yeah,
and then they got Steph Curry. So I guess, uh,
you know, if the Nets draft Steph Curry, I'm in yep.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Also, Dave, when we recorded for the Athletic we.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Like, well, we're picking bleakest teams.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
It was easier I thought to pay teams with like
a negative outlook. Maybe it's just the second apron thing
and the hard cap. But there's like every team you're like, well,
this specific part of their future isn't ideal.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
They can get around it.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
But there's a lot of problems picking the most optimistic teams,
the brightest teams, but a little bit harder, even though
plenty of teams have some upside. But we were we
were laughing because you try to toe the line. I'm
with the Sixers where it's like, listen, under the very
specific circumstance where we were saying, of the lottery teams,
who would you rather be, And it's like, I guess
(48:31):
the Sixers because they have these chances with the edge,
Comb and McCain and you already have Maxi and if
Embiid can play basketball, they're good.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
And George and then Paul George. I'm not laughing at
the knee surgery, but laughing at you know.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, that's not ideal for the Sixers. I guess that's
the breaking in relatively breaking India news in the past
few days, Paul George knee surgery. They're hoping he and
Embeid will be available for training camp.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Is that right? They're both they're hoping still that both
of them are available for training camp.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah, they're hoping. They're hoping, They're hoping. Honestly, Keith, I
think we're going to be hearing a lot about a
few teams hoping for guys to be ready for training camp.
There's been sneaky amount of surgeries, yeah, in this offseason.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
I mean a non sneaky number of injuries in the
last regular season. Sure, and people are people taking care
of and stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
The hidden injuries, right like Jade Dubb with his wrists,
Anthony Davis with the retina, Jared Jackson with the with
the turf toe, the turf toe.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I guess we should acknowledge a couple more of these
things to wrap up the show.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Jamir Young scored forty for the Bulls. Tyres Proctor had
a thirty five point game for the Cavaliers.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
The Raptors, the Summer Raptors have been good.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah, Murray Boyles has been, as advertised, a good defensive stopper.
That team also has like NBA talent, They have a
lot of their a lot of their bench guys from
last year are back and playing. Any other thing, any
other final observation you got. I'm trying to make sure
I'm not missing any obvious thing that has come out
(50:24):
of the Summer League.
Speaker 3 (50:27):
No, I mean there was there was the expansion news
non news that were just I mean the owners. A
lot of the owners don't want to expand, right because
of splitting the media revenue. But then a lot of
owners want to expand because you get to split the
giant stack of cash that gets handed over without splitting
it with the players, right, Like I mean, if you
(50:48):
think about it, this Lakers sale that just happened really
moves the valuation of a of a expansion franchise into
that four to five billion dollars and it's just cash
that goes right to the owners. I don't know, it
feels like this is a is this the NBA's AI.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Right where they never expand, but they're constantly teasing it
to just you know what I mean? I thought, I
thought it's a way. It's a way key to you're leveraging,
like you're almost working. Some of these other places, look
Oklahoma City Thunder or they're up for sale, yep. Right,
they're they're getting a new arena already, so maybe they're
not going to move. Probably not going to move, but
(51:31):
there are other teams that are probably looking to upgrade
their their situation.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Have been on the market for a while. They'd been
kind of dragging their feet on purpose for a bit.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
But now that's that's.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Having Seattle, having Seattle in Las Vegas as destinations. I
mean the NFL teams did this for a long time, right,
Like the Raiders were working over Oakland, LA. I mean
they were working everybody. And I think having having Seattle
and Las Vegas as these foils or a team could
potentially move. I think it's advantageous for the NBA. So
(52:05):
I don't know if there's really an internal appetite to
do it. I would I would say that the talent
is there to expand, Like you could add thirty guys
to the league and it could withstand it.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Here's here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
And this might be too much of me, just like
naval gazing, going back into my my rote routines about basketball.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
I don't want to add two more.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Teams if losing is still incentivized. And I see yes,
and I see no, way that's ever going to change.
There seems to be no interest in making it a
competitive league that does not reward losing. So like two
more teams run by two more analytically focused.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Ring chasing. Tear down or ramp up are the two options.
And it's like.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
That part does not seem that exciting to me, because
because you're gonna have we're talking let's say we expand
and there's an expansion draft and Seattle ends up with
Cole Anthony starting point guard, in kraw Kusma's starting power four,
and do you think they're gonna try to win basketball games? No,
So adding two teams whose job is to lose that
(53:27):
sounds garbage.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Like you gotta make it so they can only protect
five guys or something.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
I'm just saying, like, right now we have thirty teams.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah, in any season, by the time you get to
the end of the year, eight of them actively.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Want to lose.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
We're gonna increase the number of teams that actively want
to lose by like twenty percent if it's.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Like just eight to ten.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
I'm just saying, adding two teams who for multiple years
aren't going to play real basketball. In February more Arch
in April. To me, that makes the product much worse.
This is the angle no one's talking about.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
Dave. I agree with that. I agree with that, but
but anyway, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
I thought it was I thought it.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Was really funny that I'm Silver's like, we are now
going to start researching expansion, and I was like, what
do you mean you haven't. This is like the Wizard saying,
like we're we're still tearing down. It's like, I was, like,
you've been researching expansion for years, Adam Silver.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
I thought it was really funny. He said, nothing's predetermined.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
They might not do it because there are factions who
don't necessarily want to do it, but like there there
is the talent in the league right now to put
together thirty two competitive basketball team.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
I agree with that, yep.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
So that part of it, it makes a ton of
sense to do expansion.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
Especially with the second April the way it is, Yeah,
especially because the talent is just going to be you know,
you're gonna have to have ten guys to win a title,
and that means you're not gonna have three max guys.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
So the game, like the financial game, has just completely changed.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
I also think it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (55:17):
They talked about how they're getting close to a league
pass that has the regional sports networks they're getting, they thinking,
but it's still several years away. I think it was
the twenty seven to twenty eight season. They hope they're
going to have something like maybe eighteen to twenty of
the local teams where you don't have to have your
(55:38):
own regional sports network provider. It'll be priced in so
I can watch Chris's games through League Pass. I won't
be blacked out from summer league games for two weeks
until they finally until the contest ends the nation.
Speaker 3 (55:52):
You just bring back ball streams, bring back bass.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
But you know, yep, all right, Neat Clifford's been good
the very old first round drafting for the Kings.
Speaker 3 (56:03):
I was trying to got a great name, great name.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
Anyways, that's all for today. Dave, you're going vacation. How
long are you gonna be out? I mean work slash pleasure.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
I mean all pleasure.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
I mean there's a little bit of work, don't you know.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
You don't do anything for fun always.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
But I'll be in Europe, so I'll see I'll see work.
People that I'm friends with, you know, but uh yeah,
three weeks. Yeah, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Sounds good.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
Enjoy your spect to Georgia. Gonna take a midnight playing
to Georgia. Nice.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yeah, I'm singing that in my head anyways. Thanks everybody
for listening.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
If you want more from us, you can join up
over at patreon dot com slash fast break Breakfast. Thanks
to everybody who supports the show over there.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
You guys are the best. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
I remember breakfast is the most important things.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Things sont conglish
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