March 11, 2024 • 48 mins
Today on Feminine Roadmap my guest Katrina Foe talks about cancer freedom. As a cancer thriver herself, she brings not only her medical knowledge to the table but the experience of her own cancer journey. Katrina is passionate about helping middle aged women with cancer. Her focus is on using natural solutions to help with the underlying causes of cancer understanding that those solutions can also increase the success of traditional treatments. When you support the body, the body itself can do its job in addressing the cancer. In this episode, Katrina explains the ten root cause drivers that are behind cancer and how we can address them. The biggest takeaway is that cancer is not caused by one thing, it’s a culmination of several things. Each body and cancer is different so finding bio-individual treatment is key. Katrina encourages listeners to get help identifying the root causes of their cancer in order to help reduce or eliminate the possibility of recurrence. Please grab a cuppa something wonderful and bring a friend, we love when you share with your community! https://www.cancerfreedom.com/
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be talking about cancer. My guestis passionate about helping middle aged women with
cancer. She helps us find naturalsolutions to help with the underlying causes of
the cancer because she believes when yousupport the body, the body itself then
can do its job in fighting thecancer. My guest today is Katrina Foe.
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She's a nutritional therapist and a speaker, and she has an amazing online
program called Cancer Freedom. Katrina,thank you so much for being on my
show today. Oh thank you somuch for having me. I'm so excited
to talk about this topic. I'dlove to hear a little bit about you
know, your mission and message.Of course I have a little bit of
information, but why don't you letmy audience know why this is the thing
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that you love to do. Well. It's kind of a personal story.
So a while ago, I hadmy own journey with cancer, and I
just have to back up and say, like I had already been doing,
you know, all the stuff wewere eating super healthy and clean, and
I had gotten a lot of theyou know, toxic toiletries and cleaning products
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and stuff out of my life,and yet I still ended up with breast
cancer at age thirty seven, whichis incredibly young in my opinion, And
it was shocking to all my friendsand family and the process of you know,
why did this happen to me?And really wrestling with that question and
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researching and diving in of like whatam I doing that is wrong? Because
clearly something's not working for my bodyif it's developing cancer, and the whole
process just fascinated me and I learnedso much in it that I just don't
hear people talking about. And Ireally feel passionate that this needs to get
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out there so people know that theyhave more options than just the standard surgery,
radiation, and chemotherapy, which havetheir time and place, But it's
not all that there is. Andthere's, you know, the missing question
that I asked of, like whydid this happen to me? That is
never even addressed. It's the elephantin the room that I think every cancer
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client wrestles with at some point ofwhy me, how did this happen?
Yeah, it's becoming more and morecommon, isn't it to hear? Unfortunately?
Yes, And it's very interesting tome because I don't know if it's
just too I draw because of myown journey. But almost all of my
clients are middle aged women, whichis very scary because that's not who should
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be getting cancer. That's not whohas been getting cancer historically. It's it's
the older population. And I onlyhave like one person I think my oldest
clients in her sixties, which isnot even that old, you know.
So this is this is something differentthat we're seeing. And my clients are
very educated, their their researchers,they're they're doing this stuff like I was,
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and they just want to understand morelike, how in the world did
this happen? Because it's not justchance, like we've been told. There
are things that we can see whenwe do testing that are issues that should
be addressed. What are some ofthose underlying issues that you're seeing repeat themselves.
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I'm so glad you asked that thereare ten root cause drivers and these
are buckets that each have several thingsyou know in them. But there are
areas that we can look at veryconcretely for the most part, to see
what's going on. And these arethings that you know. This isn't stuff
I've made up. This is inthe research, in the literature of things
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that we know drives cancer. It'sassociated with it's a big deal. This
is not just made up. Sothe first one would be metabolic. So
cancer is a metabolic disease. We'veknown this since the thirties when Otto Warburg
when the Nobel Prize showing that acancer cell is different from a regular cell
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because the tabilism has shifted to anaerobic, meaning it doesn't use oxygen and it
needs insane amounts of blood sugar toproliferate and go crazy. This is how
a pet scan works. You feedit radioactive sugar and then you look for
where the tumor is lighting up,taking an extra sugar radioactively which allows us
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to see the tumor. Clearly,this is not something that is not known
and yet commonly what are they feedingin the chemotherapy labs. It's sugar and
carbs and candy and cookies and such, and this is not what the body
needs. It's shown in the literaturethat if we work on metabolically addressing the
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client, that not only can thingslike chemotherapy and radiation be more effective,
but you're actually working on healing thebody so that it can do its job
of healing itself. That's probably thebiggest one, the one I'm most passionate
about. So hormones. We allknow the hormones are an issue, especially
the things like breast cancer. Alot of them are hormones driven. So
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why are we not testing the sexhormones? And if they do, why
are they looking at blood? Weknow that that is not where you should
be looking at at hormones, youknow, So this is the sex hormones
and also looking at how they metabolize. How are we getting rid of them?
Are we recirculating them? As wellas thyroid. If our thyroid hormones
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are off and not giving our bodythe full energy it needs, how in
the world can it heal? Sowe've got to make sure we look at
that thyroid. The microbiome. Somuch press out there about the microbiome,
So this is not only the goodbacteria, but are there pathogens? How
is the digestion. You can eatall the expensive organic foods you want,
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but if you're not digesting it,you don't get the nutrients, and that's
super key when you're in a canceringstate. Stress. So this includes the
circadian rhythm of when you're asleep andwhen you go to bed and such.
When you're awake rather and this iszero dreamal hormones. So what is amping
you up? And this can bethings like your boss yelling at you or
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a fight with your husband, butthis also can be you know, you
have a chronic le sugar issue,you have an infection that's always just sitting
there, and whatever stressing your bodyis going to be ramping that up.
Environmental toxins is another area, andthis includes a huge amount of things that
people are not talking about. Soheavy metals, non metal toxins, as
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well as mold. And I'm goingto tell you a little secret. I
test these on all of my clients. I don't want to leave any stone
unturned. And I only have onecancer client not have high levels of mold.
This is huge and we know it'sCarson Idenk And have you ever heard
of an oncologist testing for this.If you get that tumor gone, whatever
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way you want to get it gone, and then you go right back into
that old house, would it besurprising that the tumor comes back. I
wouldn't think so. That should beobvious, right, But this is not
being looked at the immune system.This is where the magic should happen.
And with cancer there's usually some issuesgoing on in terms of viral infections,
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you know, crazy height iron levelsand ferretin vitamin D levels in the trash.
These kinds of things need to belooked at to make sure that that
immune system can do its job.Inflammation cancer is known to be a ball
of inflammation and we need to calmthat down. So some of the things
that can be going on in termsof we look at HS, high sensitivity
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CRP, the said rate and thenthe LDH. Those are three measures of
inflammation that are really key to monitorthings on a little easy way that you
can check all the time, notjust big scans. Now, angiogenesis is
another area. This is a fancyword that is talking about how when a
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tumor needs more blood sugar, itwill actually signal the body to create more
blood vessels so that it can getmore blood with the blood sugar in it.
And there are things like copper andsuch that are helping that that we
need to watch and see is thishappening and must address it and slow this
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down big time. And then wehave the epigenetics. And I want to
say epigenetics because most of us growhave grown out hearing that cancer is caused
by genetics. It's like a Russianroulette. You get what you get,
and you're going to have that.And you know, we see people,
you know, taking the breasts offif they have certain genes. This is
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not necessary because what we have foundout is that the epigenetics, so this
is your diet and lifestyle Bailey choices, are actually much much more powerful than
the genetics. So while looking atthe genetics, we can see, okay,
I have some predispositions to this orthat I don't detox well, I
don't methylate well. Let's support thatand we can use very strategic interventions based
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on your genetics to support the bodyto do what it needs to do properly.
And then the last one, Ithink I got the all, but
the mental and emotional component. Andthis is the one that you rarely hear
people talking about, and I findit is the foundational, huge elephant where
no one's talking about. So inthe year prior to a cancer diagnosis,
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there's almost all ways something traumatic thathas really impacted the cancer client's part.
It could be a loss of ajob, a loss of a loved one,
a loss of an animal, whatever. It is something that is going
on, a failure, a problemthat has really impacted them and they haven't
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probably dealt with fully. And sowhat we see is that when we have
these ten areas, there's usually notone, but like six or eight of
them, and so it's finding allof these areas that are off and they're
all different for everybody. So thisends up looking very different for everyone,
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very personalized. That's where you know, Okay, these are my areas I
need to work on. I needto support my body. My body is
crying out for help with these andthat's where you can get a garbage out
of the way freethe the body upso that it can do its job of
healing itself. It's actually really encouragingto know that there are processes and protocols
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and tests that go beyond assumption,because that's just my opinion. Of course,
I'm not a medical doctor, butthere have been there have been so
many fundraisers and you just keep waitingfor them to bring something more to the
table, you know. And sothat's the problem with that, and I'm
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so glad you mentioned that. Theproblem with that is that our traditional standard
care is looking for one thing,right, and it's never going to be
one thing. We know that canceris multi factoral, but they're looking for
one thing, one magic bullet thatthey can patent and market, and it's
not one thing right, right exactly. I think it's fascinating because I believe
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that the body is designed to heal. That's my personal belief, and I
think through history that has been shownthat that can happen. You know,
to your point, the mental,the physical, the emotional, the spiritual,
there's so many components to who weare as a person, And so
I love that you look at thewhole person, because that is who we're.
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That's who we are. Now whenyou help these people with their cancer,
what is the general kind of directionthat you go first? Is it
the testing? And how do youhelp them with that that? Like you
said, they always have some kindof a big issue that's happened. How
do you help someone navigate because nowthey have fear because of the cancer,
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right, so that whole mental andemotional piece, you're kind of on both
sides of the fence. You're tryingto take what's in the past and what's
in the present. So how doyou help navigate that? Oh, I'm
so glad you asked. That's abrilliant question. So I start with,
like, let's get the testing rolling, because it takes a little while to
collect the samples, send things in, and I want to get things moving
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as soon as possible. And thenwhile we're waiting for that process, we
start working on some of the piecesthat are just kind of the foundation generic
for everybody. So let's clean upthe diet, let's, you know,
start to work on unpacking, likewhat are your emotional components and such?
Because once we get the diet.Now it'll get more dialed in once the
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test results come in. But gettinginto a basic let's work on the metabolism
blood sugar regulation set. That's goingto do a lot of work and for
a lot of people that's a hugeshift. But again, like I mentioned,
most of my clients already have apretty clean diet. It's about tweaks
and so as we get the testback in, that's what we get.
I like to home my smoking guns. Lay them out on the table.
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We can prioritize which need to bedealt with first, and how do they
need to be addressed concurrently, becausewe want to, especially with cancer,
move forward at a fairly rapid pace. We don't want to delay dally.
And that's where it frustrates me becausea lot of practitioners will oh, Okay,
you're having hormonal symptoms, let's justtest the hormones and then oh,
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well that wasn't the issue. Okay, well maybe we should look at mold
and maybe we should look get likeand so it's this thing that drags out
for months and years. I wantto see it all at one time,
so we can address things in theway that they need to be addressed that
we've seen them clinically work best,and so then there's the implementation of all
the protocols. So things have beentweaked and dialed in for the individual.
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And you know, as with anychronic disease, it's not a linear thing.
There's hiccups and bumps as well asjust a huge learning curve of like
how do I cook like this?How do I do a coffee in the
mud? Some of this stuff isweird, and you know, navigating that
along the way. What I hearyou saying is you're it's like a puzzle
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and every person's you know, pictureoutcome of their puzzle is different. So
you're basically finding those pieces figuring outhow to fit them together for the most
positive outcome. Absolutely, and partof that, you know, especially when
we're talking about the toxins, whensome of this stuff comes back, it's
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not just like, let's address thisand you know, help you it's where
is this coming from? You know, if I have a pliant coming in
and they have high levels of arsenicor you know, they've got huge toxic
levels of mold, we need tomake sure that the inflow is stopped.
So that includes you know, testingtheir home and their water and you know,
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things like that. So there's alot of detective work with this process
because the most important thing is tostop the inflow because otherwise you're just wasting
your time and money spinning your wheels. It's it's not actually going to get
out of you if it's still comingin. Yeah. Yeah, how are
these people finding you? Because Iknow you had your own cancer journey,
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So how do you promote what you'redoing and find people? Are you finding
that people on the fringes that arelike trying not to use traditional therapies or
where is your market? Yeah?So for me at this point, I
am pretty much one hundred percent referraland full. I can only help because
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I like to work in a veryhands on way so many people, and
so I have actually just launched agroup program so that I can help people
more people at once, and we'regoing to be doing some marketing and such
just to get the word out therebecause we'll be able to handle more people,
which I'm excited about. That's fantastic. And how does something virtual like
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that work? Do you still havethe same testing process and that sort of
thing? Generally the program looks thesame there's a couple of different aspects.
One is that instead of getting oneon one time like you would with the
private program, you would get groupprogram. And so there's a huge online
course that helps you go over allyour labs and understand what the different markers
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mean to really empower you, becauseI find that a lot of cancer clients
they want to understand. They're notjust looking for give me the drug and
I don't want to know what's goingon. That's like the opposite. So
I get excited. I love educationand explaining the stuff to clients. And
then we have group sessions where wecan problem solve specifics for the individual answer
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questions how you know whether it's somethingabout you know, modality and how to
actually implement at home or a cookingstyle or something. We go through all
that kind of stuff in the classesand sorry the group sessions, and then
we also I'm super excited because Ifound that when people are working this way,
they're very alone. I know Iwas back when I had my cancer
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journey. I didn't know anyone thatwas doing it natural, and I was
the weirdo. And having people thatyou, oh, there's real people out
there doing this too is so helpful. So we have a community where people
can connect with each other, whetherit's to encourage each other or share recipes,
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or just to know that there's otherpeople out there. I think is
really powerful. So there's some differentshifts. The cost is less, but
it has all the same functional labs. You get them all and you get
all the tools to go over them, the protocols, you get access to
all your supplements, full sale,all sorts of different discounts and fun things
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like that. I would imagine thatgoing through something like this in community would
be a very helpful part of thehealing process. Yeah, there's a huge
mental aspect of am I doing enough? Am I doing the right things?
Because the million dollar question when yougo outside the box is is it enough?
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Is it the right thing? Becausethere are so many therapies and unfortunately
the alternative world of oncology gets kindof a bad rap because there's not a
whole lot of research. There's nota whole lot of testing going on and
following through. There's not like guidelinesand protocols that we can track and look
at clinically, which my mentor,doctor Nashow Winters, is working on.
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I'm excited to say, but whatwe want to do is test and not
guests, because that's what I'm seeinga lot is people come and they are
like, oh, well, I'mdoing IV vitamin C and I'm doing hyperbaric
and I'm looking at their labs going, oh, for you, that is
not a great choice. But noone ever did the labs. And there
are markers specifically that we can seeon the labs like yes, this would
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be good or no, this isgoing to make things actually worse. And
I'm a huge fan of those therapiesthat I just mentioned when it's the right
time, in the right situation.And the other thing is that they're very
expensive a lot of this stuff,so you have to really pick. Like,
looking at those those areas, theten areas I just mentioned, there
are some that are going to popout as like, oh my goodness,
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that is your thing. You needto work on that. And if that's
not something that ivy vitamin C isgoing to be helping, is it really
the best use of your time andmoney. I want to be very strategic
about how people use their time andmoney so they could be really targeted.
I mean, very few people cometo me where they just have unlimited funds
and want to do everything and haveall day long. It just gets to
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be a very expensive, very timeconsuming thing if you play the game of
what else? Is this enough?And that's what I want to help people
figure out what is strategically best forthem. You're basically moving you're removing the
medical whack a mole past. Don'tguess I would imagine that it's possibly unnerving
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to go outside of the quote knownprotocols because I understand that people that I've
met, when they go outside ofthat prescribed protocol, sometimes their doctor doesn't
support them anymore. How do youhelp people whose doctors basically say do it
my way or I will not treatyou. Do you have that and what
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do you do? Yeah? Yeah, that's a that's a thing. Now.
I will say a lot of myplans have kind of made the choice
like I did, and that that'snot what they want and they just step
outside completely. But I am happyto work if they're if they're oncologist is
willing to work with them in figuringout what the best plan is for that.
Now, I just have to saythis, if the oncologist, doctor,
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naturopath, whatever practitioner you're working withis not willing to do what you
want. You've got to remember thisis a service industry. It's your body
at the end of the day,and you should be the one that gets
to make the decision whether they likeit or not, and that I think
has been lost on a lot ofus. The doctor said, so I
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have to do this. No,it's your body. If you want to
ram it into the ground, orif you want to heal it and support
it, that's your choice. AndI would recommend to everyone to do as
much research as you can and doit with an open mind because a lot
of people go into it thinking,I mean, they already have a bias.
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And I think this is what savedmy life honestly, is that I
went into the cancer and I said, Okay, clearly something i'm doing did
not work. I need to lookat everything with an open mind, you
know, all the different therapies andsee what is going to be right for
me. Because if you look atit and you only look at the areas
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you already think are right, that'swhat you're going to see and that isn't
necessarily going to give you truth.So just remember, if you have somebody
a practitioner, no matter what kindof practitioner, if they are not willing
to do what you want for yourbody and support you and help you with
that, just find someone else.You're paying them, you should get what
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you want, in my opinion,And I really feel passionate about that.
And you can't tell because I seethis happen all the time where their doctors
are dictating things and they're like,but I don't want to do that.
Well, somewhere else you can.We have the freedom at this point to
do that, so exercise it.Yes, Oh my goodness, Yes,
I one hundred percent agree with that. Matter of fact, I think I've
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had some of those conversations. Youknow. It's one of those things where
we have the ability right now tochoose the life that we live, the
freedom to not go to someone whois in opposition to what we feel in
our own body is the right thingto do. And I think maybe we
could talk a little bit about thatintuitive side of the process that you help
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people with. Oh yes, Ican't tell you how often I see that
intuition cake in, especially with women. No offense guys, but listening to
your body and you know, ifyou feel like Okay, this therapy on
or this therapy, I just Ijust don't want it listen to that.
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I mean, I have clients allthe time. They'll be taking quite a
few supplements and they're like, something'snot sitting in my tummy. Well,
and I'll say which one is it? And they know And there's no logical
reason how they would know which ofthose supplements and they're taking ten supplements,
how would they know which one?But they do almost every time, and
that intuition and then just to takeit a step further, I feel very
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strongly that you know, it's notjust inside you, but it's actively asking
God, like, please show mewhich of these therapies is going to be
helpful, because at the end ofthe day, he's the one that made
your body, and he knows waybetter than any practitioner or even you do
what would actually be best. AndI think that that's a really important I
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like to validate that with people,because I think we've separate everything so much
that people feel like they shouldn't listento their intuition or to God, it
should just be dictated to them.Mm hmm. Well, I'm wondering if
the dictated part feels more secure,because when you step outside of what is
known, it can feel very muchlike where's the ground? Do you know
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what I mean? Oh? Yes, yes. And this is where I
see the biggest difference between clients interms of awesome outcomes. The people that
take responsibility, own what's going onand are actively working on their stuff.
And I mean that generically because whetherit's die or the relationships or any of
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that stuff, but if they're owningit and actively working on it versus stick
your head in the ground somebody elsetell me what to do. I'm not
involved. I don't really want tothink about this. You know, those
people are not going to have thegreat outcomes regardless of if they both do
the exact same treatments. It's justnot going to be the same. There's
an energetic component of taking response ability. And this is where I get really
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excited with the new group program becauseI am encouraging that throughout my one on
one and the group program, becauseI really feel like not only because of
the immediate benefits of taking ownership,but the long term because this is not
an easy process. This is notdo this for six months and you're done.
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This is a lifestyle shift so thatit's not going to come back,
and if people don't take responsibility andactively engage in it, it's not going
to work. It's a paradigm shiftfirst, probably right, absolutely, exactly.
Yeah, it's amazing how powerful thatpart of us is, the way
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that we think, in the waythat we perceive things. It is so
much more powerful than I think thatwe give it credit for because, like
you were talking about earlier, wehave choice in every single thing that happens
to us. And I think westop seeing some of his choices often.
But you know, how you wantto react to a cancer diagnosis, the
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idea that you have different choices andtreatments and stuff. There's there's always an
option, you know, when youfeel boxed in, if you start getting
outside the box and getting outside yourself, you there there's always options. I
keep going back to in my mindthe struggle that we have just as humans
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to have security and comfort and knowledge, right, and cancer takes us out
of that. It, you know, throws a huge wrench in the works
of you know, like you said, if somebody feels like they've been doing
the right things, I've been eatingthe right things, I've been exercising because
you know, I think we feelthat if we do this, this,
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and this, we're totally solid.But what I hear you saying is there's
so much more going on in ourbox and in the environment around us that
it's not like we've done something quotewrong. Yes, yes, that is
a huge message that I think isvery important because clients come in and they
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think I'm going to tell them todo things they've already done. I think
they've already done their best. There'sthings they don't know about, and unfortunately,
the world we live in today,there are so many chemicals and contaminants
that we aren't even aware of.Like literally, we don't even have tests
for all these things in our environmentthat we are completely unaware of in our
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air, our soil, our water, like things that are in you know,
the cushions of our chairs and allour clothing. I mean, it's
insane. And those of us thatare a little more sensitive that would be
me included. I suck at detoxification. I always need to help my body
ongoing. That's what I learned withthe genetic stuff. Need to be doing
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things every day to make sure thatyou know, not only get the toxins
lower in coming in, but tokeep them moving out, and so understanding
this about yourself, it's like Ididn't do something wrong. I just didn't
know as much as I know now, and now I have tools to help
myself so that it's not going tocome back, and that gives me peace.
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That is worth millions. I thinkit's probably invaluable just to know,
like I'm not constantly looking over myshoulder of like when's the other shoe gonna
drop. I know my areas,I know what I need to work on.
I know what I need to bedoing on a daily basis, and
sometimes I get a little blax,but it's not a big thing. And
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if I have some symptoms come up, I'm like, oh, I need
to go and check this test.This is way before a tumor would be
showing up. And this is whereI feel like I have power, I
have control. I have things thatI can shift and do on my own
if I want to be able tohave that freedom and knowledge of the piece.
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I'm not waiting for it to comeback, which is so encouraging.
Yes, you know that you're notlike you're not a victim. I am
not a victim. And honestly,I know this might sound a little flippant,
but I am actually super grateful forcancer because it showed me some health
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issues, specifically some genetic tendencies towardsAlzheimer's, which is now called type three
diabetes. And I had serious insulinresistance, which I have no symptoms of,
you know. And there's several otherthings like the hypothyroid I had,
and the toxins, the mold andeverything. These also all play into Alzheimer's.
And my dad has serious Alzheimer's rightnow, and I'm looking at him,
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I'm going, oh, my goodness, I would take cancer over Alzheimer's
every day of the week. Thatis just awful to watch what he's going
through. And so I'm seeing thisas a wake up call for me.
Now I have the tools to preventthat. And with Alzheimer's, you know,
you it's a prevention game. It'snot a turn things around game like
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cancer is. But it gave mea whole new career that I find incredibly
satisfying. I love helping people,but I also have tools to make sure
that my end of life is asgood as possible. Yeah, it's interesting
how some of these things have becomequote normal, Like it's just kind of
almost like we are being conditioned toaccept the reality that this is what will
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be. And that bothers me.It bothers me and Hensley. And as
a woman that is approaching the perimenopausemenopause phase, like, that's one that
is near and dear to my heartbecause it is not normal to have all
the crazy symptoms that we think ofas normal. And I think that example
is one that us women kind ofcan identify with. But when your hormones
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are dialed in, and you know, the blood sugar regulation is dial in
theoretically, and I've seen this caseafter case, it just slides in and
you don't have the hot flashes andall the stuff. And I'll be watching
the next several years as I slidemyself into it. But I'm feeling like
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I have my finger on the pulseof the areas that I need to for
cancer that are also going to becontributing with that because all these help things
they're also tied together. There's Imean, things like menopause symptoms are signs
that hormones are off, which areone of the areas for cancer and such.
So it's you know, whether youwant to flavor it of it's leaning
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towards ostereoporosis or cancer or Alzheimer's orany of these other bigger issues. All
those little symptoms, even if it'ssomething like your fingernails crack a lot,
you know, or you have alot of split ends and you can't your
hair's not growing as much. Theseare all little sniggly things that sometimes it's
an aesthetic thing that we care aboutit for. But there are reasons to
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look into what going on with yourbody that are usually poo pooed by you
know, standard here. They don'thave time with the insurance the way it's
set up to be able to actuallyaddress these issues. Plus, to be
fair, they have compartmentalized our body. Yes, so we cannot get answers
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for my elbow if I'm looking atmy nose right, yeah, exactly,
And it drives me crazy because theydon't they're not looking at it as a
whole. And to me, ifyou don't look at it as a whole
functioning together, I mean when wecompartmentalize, yeah, it makes it easier
for us practitioners to learn things.We've got this system and that system.
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But they all interact like all thesethings like I was talking about all those
areas, like all the hormones affectthe gut, and the gut affects the
hormones. It's not that clear cut. And this is where we need to
look at ourselves as a much morecomplex being than we ever thought. And
you know, that's not even divinginto the energetics and the electrical fields and
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all this other stuff that we don'teven talk about in you know, the
medicine realm and such. We're verylooking at just the chemical aspect, which
is another big bucket to look at. So when you say energetically, are
you talking about how we engage withour environment and our you know, whether
we're thinking negatively, like is ita mindset thing? Are you just talking
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about being in toxic situations? Whatis that that you mean? Yeah,
so this is a very big generalterm, and so I'm talking about at
the cellular atomic level we have chargespositive and negative, and energetically that makes
a big difference in terms of howour body functions along with the chemical aspect,
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but I'm also talking about a kindof more of a global level.
You know what you mentioned in termsof how we relate and the emotional components
and the connections and the relationships issuch a huge role in it. And
I feel like of my tent areas, one of them kind of deals with
this. But there's a lot moreout there that I think going forward,
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we're going to have a lot moreinformation. But again, we want to
shift the narrative inside ourselves so thatwe're really looking at the world with a
positive aspect and we can let thosenegative things pass through us and not get
stock and cause this like constant irritation, which our emotions actually manifest themselves physically
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into our tissue. There's a lotof interesting research with the fascia showing that
this happens, and yet we're nottalking about it clinically and dealing with it,
and that's a really important component.I've come across an organization called Human
Garage and they do work around that. And I've also have a book called
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The Boss Body Keeps the Score,and that book is intense, you know,
because if there's stuff that's undealt with, maybe stuff you don't remember can
be a little emotional. But Ihave talked to several people about this idea,
and that's why I'm glad that youbrought it up, that you know,
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things get stuck. And I don'tmean this like metaphysically, like I'm
a I'm a Christian, so Ibelieve, you know that God created and
designed my body. But we're alsomind, body, and spirit. So
there is this reality to what wethink, not just what we eat,
what we do, how we feel. All of those things work together and
that is what the components are thatare making us who we are and how
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our body is coping in the worldthat we live in. Oh, yes,
you are speaking my language. Iagree with that so wholeheartedly. And
you know, we try to dothis reductionistic make things really simplistic, and
it doesn't work like that. Thestate that there's research showing, you know,
the state you are in mentally whenyou start to eat food is going
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to affect the release of your digestivejuices. Like if you're in this ampt
up sympathetic state, you're not goingto actually release the digestive juices like this,
that's what everybody is doing now.And so you can eat, you
know, whatever's on the nutrition label, but you're not necessarily going to get
what's on the nutrition label and yourbody is so smart because God created that
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way that it knows what to absorband what not to And there's so many
levels of this that just blows themind. And this is where I'm excited
to see more research go into hopefully, although there's not a lot of funding
probably for it, but there's alot of You just look at the way
that it works and it's just screamingGod's design. It's a beautiful thing,
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you know, for me specifically andto me this ties in. But when
I remember to apply biblical wisdom tomy life, for example, you know,
be anxious for nothing, but ineverything, with prayer and supplication,
with thanksgiving, let your request bemade known to God. You know,
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then the peace of God, whichshopasses all understanding, will guard your hearts
and minds. Like those principles are. We think of them as just spiritual
principles, but there is a mentaland an emotional aspect to that truth as
I apply it to my life,that allows my body right to inhabit this
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space in a much more I guessat ease, at peace less resistance.
And I'm wondering about that emotional resistance. Is that a piece of the puzzle
that can cause us to be sick. I think so. I mean,
we don't have research on that,but I one hundred percent agree with what
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you're saying. I think there's alot, a lot of wisdom in terms
of what the Bible actually says ifyou go through, like I love the
verse that you picked out there.It is very specifically, like it's talking
about your drenal hormones and such,and like we have tools now and tests
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to like prove that what the Bible'ssaying is true. Now, I'm sure
there's still a lot in the Biblethat we can't prove yet, but it's
just because of our own limitations.It's not because the Bible is not true.
And if we would take more ofthat into heart and actually apply it,
I think we would see a lotof the stuff that we're seeing in
terms of chronic disease, going crazyand stuff. I mean, a lot
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of it has to do with welive in a very fallen world. There's
a lot of sin, not necessarilyjust our own other peoples that we are
paying the cost for. But there'sthings we can do and there's hope,
and that's what the Bible is showingus. I think the element of faith
gives us that spiritual and mental abilityto navigate all of these unknowns that you're
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talking about now, if you wereto give my audience three things, because
to your point, I think yourtopic, your area of specialty is it's
amazing. You know, it's multifaceted. There's so much going on. But
what can you say to someone whohears all this and whether or not they
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have cancer, what are three thingsyou really think maybe you should do three
things for someone who doesn't have cancerand three things for someone who does.
I don't know how you want todo it, but that we can anchor
in on to take in what you'resaying and change our bodies in life so
that we are in a more supportiveand healthy state. Yeah, so I
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kind of view cancer instead of ayou have it or you don't, black
and white. I view it asa spectrum. And you know, there's
a point where we get a diagnosisbased on standard of cares measurements, But
to me, there's a lot goingon beforehand and it's in the same zone.
It's just a continuum. And soto me, the messages are the
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same, and that the work,the program is the same, whether it
just depends on how far you arealong the spectrum, how much harder it's
going to be to turn the Titanicaround, so to speak, based on
where you're on the spectrum. Sothe first thing is I would I would
just really try to get it intopeople's head and you know your listeners work
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on getting into your head. Isthat cancer is not caused by one thing.
It's not your fault, it's notone thing. It's usually six to
eight of those areas that I wastalking about, like, it's a lot
of them, and it looks differentfor every single person. The second thing
would be that it's important to knowthat standard of care is not even looking
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at the root cause of why you'vegot cancer. So if you want to
prevent a recurrence, even if you'vealready gone through cancer treatment. I work
with a lot of people that havedone standard of care. They did the
radiation surgery, you know, allthat stuff, and they've started to become
more educated through the process and realizethat it's that didn't address why I got
this, And you know, theycome back around do the program afterwards.
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You know, it's not the acutestate, it's not the pressure and the
time fringe, But that way they'repreventing recurrence, which is a beautiful thing
because that is the part that Ithink is the worst for a lot of
people, is that living with thefear of having to go through that again.
And then the third thing I wouldsay is that it's important that you
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really understand that everyone is different.There is no one size fits all in
terms of addressing these issues, especiallyin terms of alternative treatment. If there
is a practitioner that's saying, oh, everybody should get IVY vitamin C,
I'm just picking on that one today, but turn and run because they're obviously
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not testing. They're not looking atyou as an individual. And I see
this all the time. They've gottenexpensive IV suite. They need to get
bodies in there. It's not whatyou're looking for. You need somebody that's
really going to look at your Gsix PD and see if it's appropriate for
you and look at like, whatare your areas? Is this the most
effective you see your money? Likewe mentioned even something simple like Macha Green
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tea people read online Matcha's really good, it's got ECGC in it's help.
What's cancer. Well, here's thething. If you genetically have called a
COMT compt gene that's slow. You'regonna want to see as far away from
Macha as possible because it's gonna slowit down further. Now, what that
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gene does is it slows down yourbody's getting extra hormones and their transmitters out
of the body. So if youhave cancer, a lot of cancer people
have that slow gene, you don'twant it slowed down. You want it
sped up to get those extra hormonesout that might be affecting the cancer.
And so this is where you know, it's very personalized, looking at what
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specifically do you need. Okay,so cancer's not one thing, get to
the root issue and make it bioindividual. Everybody's different. Those would be my
three things. Terrific And how canpeople find you? Katrina? Yeah,
absolutely so you can find me onInstagram It's just my name, Katrina Foe.
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You can find me on Facebook.It's Nutritional Blodies. That's the name
of my book as well. Andthen I will give you a link if
you are interested in diving in moreto some of these different ten areas and
the testing and stuff. It's calledThe Roadmap to Prevent Cancer Recurrence. It's
an ebook I'll give you the freelink to that, and then, of
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course my website is Cancerfreedom dot com. Fantastic Katrina. I want to thank
you so much for being on theshow today, and I really really appreciate
the journey that you've been on andhow you've chosen to turn it into a
vehicle for other people to find healingand wholeness and a peace about their ability
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to have some autonomy in the processof cancer. I think it's just a
beautiful thing, and I want tothank you so much for taking the time
to be on my show today.Oh it's my pleasure. Fantastic friends today.
If you find us on YouTube,look down below, the links will
be right there. You can geta hold of that ebook no problem.
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If you need to come back laterand you happen to be driving and listening
to the podcast, that way,you can head on over to ww double
you dot Feminine Roadmap dot com,Forward Slash episode three six one and all
of those links will be in theshow notes. Friends, I hope that
this conversation has sparked something in youto think about the power that you have
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in your own health care, thepower that you have to have the healthy
body that you want, and thatthere are resources out there that can help
you accomplish those two things. Youdo not have to be a victim.
You do not have to do whatyou are told to do by whomever is
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telling you that. If you don'tdo it their way, if you feel
bullied in the system, be encouraged. There are other options. And you
know what, today, as werecord this, we still have the freedom
of choice, and I highly encourageyou to take control of your choice and
find the support that you need forthe body that you have. And if
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there's a loved one in your life, share this episode with them, get
them on the journey of at leastinvestigating some of these things. Friends,
our bodies are designed to heal.We just live in a world that is
constantly kind of working against the naturalway that our bodies are meant to be.
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But that doesn't mean that we can'thave victory in health, and I
want to encourage you to know thatthere are things we can do. Please
don't be discouraged, be encouraged bythis conversation. Tap into Katrina's resources and
please share them with your friends.Thank you so much for being with us
today, and I look forward tosharing more inspirational people strategies and stories with
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you in the weeks to come takecare of my friends. Bye bye,
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be talking about cancer. My guestis passionate about helping middle aged women with
cancer. She helps us find naturalsolutions to help with the underlying causes of
the cancer because she believes when yousupport the body, the body itself then
can do its job in fighting thecancer. My guest today is Katrina Foe.
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She's a nutritional therapist and a speaker, and she has an amazing online
program called Cancer Freedom. Katrina,thank you so much for being on my
show today. Oh thank you somuch for having me. I'm so excited
to talk about this topic. I'dlove to hear a little bit about you
know, your mission and message.Of course I have a little bit of
information, but why don't you letmy audience know why this is the thing
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that you love to do. Well. It's kind of a personal story.
So a while ago, I hadmy own journey with cancer, and I
just have to back up and say, like I had already been doing,
you know, all the stuff wewere eating super healthy and clean, and
I had gotten a lot of theyou know, toxic toiletries and cleaning products
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and stuff out of my life,and yet I still ended up with breast
cancer at age thirty seven, whichis incredibly young in my opinion, And
it was shocking to all my friendsand family and the process of you know,
why did this happen to me?And really wrestling with that question and
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researching and diving in of like whatam I doing that is wrong? Because
clearly something's not working for my bodyif it's developing cancer, and the whole
process just fascinated me and I learnedso much in it that I just don't
hear people talking about. And Ireally feel passionate that this needs to get
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out there so people know that theyhave more options than just the standard surgery,
radiation, and chemotherapy, which havetheir time and place, But it's
not all that there is. Andthere's, you know, the missing question
that I asked of, like whydid this happen to me? That is
never even addressed. It's the elephantin the room that I think every cancer
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client wrestles with at some point ofwhy me, how did this happen?
Yeah, it's becoming more and morecommon, isn't it to hear? Unfortunately?
Yes, And it's very interesting tome because I don't know if it's
just too I draw because of myown journey. But almost all of my
clients are middle aged women, whichis very scary because that's not who should
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be getting cancer. That's not whohas been getting cancer historically. It's it's
the older population. And I onlyhave like one person I think my oldest
clients in her sixties, which isnot even that old, you know.
So this is this is something differentthat we're seeing. And my clients are
very educated, their their researchers,they're they're doing this stuff like I was,
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and they just want to understand morelike, how in the world did
this happen? Because it's not justchance, like we've been told. There
are things that we can see whenwe do testing that are issues that should
be addressed. What are some ofthose underlying issues that you're seeing repeat themselves.
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I'm so glad you asked that thereare ten root cause drivers and these
are buckets that each have several thingsyou know in them. But there are
areas that we can look at veryconcretely for the most part, to see
what's going on. And these arethings that you know. This isn't stuff
I've made up. This is inthe research, in the literature of things
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that we know drives cancer. It'sassociated with it's a big deal. This
is not just made up. Sothe first one would be metabolic. So
cancer is a metabolic disease. We'veknown this since the thirties when Otto Warburg
when the Nobel Prize showing that acancer cell is different from a regular cell
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because the tabilism has shifted to anaerobic, meaning it doesn't use oxygen and it
needs insane amounts of blood sugar toproliferate and go crazy. This is how
a pet scan works. You feedit radioactive sugar and then you look for
where the tumor is lighting up,taking an extra sugar radioactively which allows us
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to see the tumor. Clearly,this is not something that is not known
and yet commonly what are they feedingin the chemotherapy labs. It's sugar and
carbs and candy and cookies and such, and this is not what the body
needs. It's shown in the literaturethat if we work on metabolically addressing the
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client, that not only can thingslike chemotherapy and radiation be more effective,
but you're actually working on healing thebody so that it can do its job
of healing itself. That's probably thebiggest one, the one I'm most passionate
about. So hormones. We allknow the hormones are an issue, especially
the things like breast cancer. Alot of them are hormones driven. So
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why are we not testing the sexhormones? And if they do, why
are they looking at blood? Weknow that that is not where you should
be looking at at hormones, youknow, So this is the sex hormones
and also looking at how they metabolize. How are we getting rid of them?
Are we recirculating them? As wellas thyroid. If our thyroid hormones
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are off and not giving our bodythe full energy it needs, how in
the world can it heal? Sowe've got to make sure we look at
that thyroid. The microbiome. Somuch press out there about the microbiome,
So this is not only the goodbacteria, but are there pathogens? How
is the digestion. You can eatall the expensive organic foods you want,
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but if you're not digesting it,you don't get the nutrients, and that's
super key when you're in a canceringstate. Stress. So this includes the
circadian rhythm of when you're asleep andwhen you go to bed and such.
When you're awake rather and this iszero dreamal hormones. So what is amping
you up? And this can bethings like your boss yelling at you or
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a fight with your husband, butthis also can be you know, you
have a chronic le sugar issue,you have an infection that's always just sitting
there, and whatever stressing your bodyis going to be ramping that up.
Environmental toxins is another area, andthis includes a huge amount of things that
people are not talking about. Soheavy metals, non metal toxins, as
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well as mold. And I'm goingto tell you a little secret. I
test these on all of my clients. I don't want to leave any stone
unturned. And I only have onecancer client not have high levels of mold.
This is huge and we know it'sCarson Idenk And have you ever heard
of an oncologist testing for this.If you get that tumor gone, whatever
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way you want to get it gone, and then you go right back into
that old house, would it besurprising that the tumor comes back. I
wouldn't think so. That should beobvious, right, But this is not
being looked at the immune system.This is where the magic should happen.
And with cancer there's usually some issuesgoing on in terms of viral infections,
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you know, crazy height iron levelsand ferretin vitamin D levels in the trash.
These kinds of things need to belooked at to make sure that that
immune system can do its job.Inflammation cancer is known to be a ball
of inflammation and we need to calmthat down. So some of the things
that can be going on in termsof we look at HS, high sensitivity
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CRP, the said rate and thenthe LDH. Those are three measures of
inflammation that are really key to monitorthings on a little easy way that you
can check all the time, notjust big scans. Now, angiogenesis is
another area. This is a fancyword that is talking about how when a
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tumor needs more blood sugar, itwill actually signal the body to create more
blood vessels so that it can getmore blood with the blood sugar in it.
And there are things like copper andsuch that are helping that that we
need to watch and see is thishappening and must address it and slow this
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down big time. And then wehave the epigenetics. And I want to
say epigenetics because most of us growhave grown out hearing that cancer is caused
by genetics. It's like a Russianroulette. You get what you get,
and you're going to have that.And you know, we see people,
you know, taking the breasts offif they have certain genes. This is
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not necessary because what we have foundout is that the epigenetics, so this
is your diet and lifestyle Bailey choices, are actually much much more powerful than
the genetics. So while looking atthe genetics, we can see, okay,
I have some predispositions to this orthat I don't detox well, I
don't methylate well. Let's support thatand we can use very strategic interventions based
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on your genetics to support the bodyto do what it needs to do properly.
And then the last one, Ithink I got the all, but
the mental and emotional component. Andthis is the one that you rarely hear
people talking about, and I findit is the foundational, huge elephant where
no one's talking about. So inthe year prior to a cancer diagnosis,
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there's almost all ways something traumatic thathas really impacted the cancer client's part.
It could be a loss of ajob, a loss of a loved one,
a loss of an animal, whatever. It is something that is going
on, a failure, a problemthat has really impacted them and they haven't
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probably dealt with fully. And sowhat we see is that when we have
these ten areas, there's usually notone, but like six or eight of
them, and so it's finding allof these areas that are off and they're
all different for everybody. So thisends up looking very different for everyone,
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very personalized. That's where you know, Okay, these are my areas I
need to work on. I needto support my body. My body is
crying out for help with these andthat's where you can get a garbage out
of the way freethe the body upso that it can do its job of
healing itself. It's actually really encouragingto know that there are processes and protocols
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and tests that go beyond assumption,because that's just my opinion. Of course,
I'm not a medical doctor, butthere have been there have been so
many fundraisers and you just keep waitingfor them to bring something more to the
table, you know. And sothat's the problem with that, and I'm
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so glad you mentioned that. Theproblem with that is that our traditional standard
care is looking for one thing,right, and it's never going to be
one thing. We know that canceris multi factoral, but they're looking for
one thing, one magic bullet thatthey can patent and market, and it's
not one thing right, right exactly. I think it's fascinating because I believe
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that the body is designed to heal. That's my personal belief, and I
think through history that has been shownthat that can happen. You know,
to your point, the mental,the physical, the emotional, the spiritual,
there's so many components to who weare as a person, And so
I love that you look at thewhole person, because that is who we're.
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That's who we are. Now whenyou help these people with their cancer,
what is the general kind of directionthat you go first? Is it
the testing? And how do youhelp them with that that? Like you
said, they always have some kindof a big issue that's happened. How
do you help someone navigate because nowthey have fear because of the cancer,
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right, so that whole mental andemotional piece, you're kind of on both
sides of the fence. You're tryingto take what's in the past and what's
in the present. So how doyou help navigate that? Oh, I'm
so glad you asked. That's abrilliant question. So I start with,
like, let's get the testing rolling, because it takes a little while to
collect the samples, send things in, and I want to get things moving
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as soon as possible. And thenwhile we're waiting for that process, we
start working on some of the piecesthat are just kind of the foundation generic
for everybody. So let's clean upthe diet, let's, you know,
start to work on unpacking, likewhat are your emotional components and such?
Because once we get the diet.Now it'll get more dialed in once the
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test results come in. But gettinginto a basic let's work on the metabolism
blood sugar regulation set. That's goingto do a lot of work and for
a lot of people that's a hugeshift. But again, like I mentioned,
most of my clients already have apretty clean diet. It's about tweaks
and so as we get the testback in, that's what we get.
I like to home my smoking guns. Lay them out on the table.
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We can prioritize which need to bedealt with first, and how do they
need to be addressed concurrently, becausewe want to, especially with cancer,
move forward at a fairly rapid pace. We don't want to delay dally.
And that's where it frustrates me becausea lot of practitioners will oh, Okay,
you're having hormonal symptoms, let's justtest the hormones and then oh,
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well that wasn't the issue. Okay, well maybe we should look at mold
and maybe we should look get likeand so it's this thing that drags out
for months and years. I wantto see it all at one time,
so we can address things in theway that they need to be addressed that
we've seen them clinically work best,and so then there's the implementation of all
the protocols. So things have beentweaked and dialed in for the individual.
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And you know, as with anychronic disease, it's not a linear thing.
There's hiccups and bumps as well asjust a huge learning curve of like
how do I cook like this?How do I do a coffee in the
mud? Some of this stuff isweird, and you know, navigating that
along the way. What I hearyou saying is you're it's like a puzzle
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and every person's you know, pictureoutcome of their puzzle is different. So
you're basically finding those pieces figuring outhow to fit them together for the most
positive outcome. Absolutely, and partof that, you know, especially when
we're talking about the toxins, whensome of this stuff comes back, it's
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not just like, let's address thisand you know, help you it's where
is this coming from? You know, if I have a pliant coming in
and they have high levels of arsenicor you know, they've got huge toxic
levels of mold, we need tomake sure that the inflow is stopped.
So that includes you know, testingtheir home and their water and you know,
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things like that. So there's alot of detective work with this process
because the most important thing is tostop the inflow because otherwise you're just wasting
your time and money spinning your wheels. It's it's not actually going to get
out of you if it's still comingin. Yeah. Yeah, how are
these people finding you? Because Iknow you had your own cancer journey,
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So how do you promote what you'redoing and find people? Are you finding
that people on the fringes that arelike trying not to use traditional therapies or
where is your market? Yeah?So for me at this point, I
am pretty much one hundred percent referraland full. I can only help because
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I like to work in a veryhands on way so many people, and
so I have actually just launched agroup program so that I can help people
more people at once, and we'regoing to be doing some marketing and such
just to get the word out therebecause we'll be able to handle more people,
which I'm excited about. That's fantastic. And how does something virtual like
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that work? Do you still havethe same testing process and that sort of
thing? Generally the program looks thesame there's a couple of different aspects.
One is that instead of getting oneon one time like you would with the
private program, you would get groupprogram. And so there's a huge online
course that helps you go over allyour labs and understand what the different markers
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mean to really empower you, becauseI find that a lot of cancer clients
they want to understand. They're notjust looking for give me the drug and
I don't want to know what's goingon. That's like the opposite. So
I get excited. I love educationand explaining the stuff to clients. And
then we have group sessions where wecan problem solve specifics for the individual answer
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questions how you know whether it's somethingabout you know, modality and how to
actually implement at home or a cookingstyle or something. We go through all
that kind of stuff in the classesand sorry the group sessions, and then
we also I'm super excited because Ifound that when people are working this way,
they're very alone. I know Iwas back when I had my cancer
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journey. I didn't know anyone thatwas doing it natural, and I was
the weirdo. And having people thatyou, oh, there's real people out
there doing this too is so helpful. So we have a community where people
can connect with each other, whetherit's to encourage each other or share recipes,
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or just to know that there's otherpeople out there. I think is
really powerful. So there's some differentshifts. The cost is less, but
it has all the same functional labs. You get them all and you get
all the tools to go over them, the protocols, you get access to
all your supplements, full sale,all sorts of different discounts and fun things
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like that. I would imagine thatgoing through something like this in community would
be a very helpful part of thehealing process. Yeah, there's a huge
mental aspect of am I doing enough? Am I doing the right things?
Because the million dollar question when yougo outside the box is is it enough?
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Is it the right thing? Becausethere are so many therapies and unfortunately
the alternative world of oncology gets kindof a bad rap because there's not a
whole lot of research. There's nota whole lot of testing going on and
following through. There's not like guidelinesand protocols that we can track and look
at clinically, which my mentor,doctor Nashow Winters, is working on.
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I'm excited to say, but whatwe want to do is test and not
guests, because that's what I'm seeinga lot is people come and they are
like, oh, well, I'mdoing IV vitamin C and I'm doing hyperbaric
and I'm looking at their labs going, oh, for you, that is
not a great choice. But noone ever did the labs. And there
are markers specifically that we can seeon the labs like yes, this would
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be good or no, this isgoing to make things actually worse. And
I'm a huge fan of those therapiesthat I just mentioned when it's the right
time, in the right situation.And the other thing is that they're very
expensive a lot of this stuff,so you have to really pick. Like,
looking at those those areas, theten areas I just mentioned, there
are some that are going to popout as like, oh my goodness,
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that is your thing. You needto work on that. And if that's
not something that ivy vitamin C isgoing to be helping, is it really
the best use of your time andmoney. I want to be very strategic
about how people use their time andmoney so they could be really targeted.
I mean, very few people cometo me where they just have unlimited funds
and want to do everything and haveall day long. It just gets to
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be a very expensive, very timeconsuming thing if you play the game of
what else? Is this enough?And that's what I want to help people
figure out what is strategically best forthem. You're basically moving you're removing the
medical whack a mole past. Don'tguess I would imagine that it's possibly unnerving
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to go outside of the quote knownprotocols because I understand that people that I've
met, when they go outside ofthat prescribed protocol, sometimes their doctor doesn't
support them anymore. How do youhelp people whose doctors basically say do it
my way or I will not treatyou. Do you have that and what
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do you do? Yeah? Yeah, that's a that's a thing. Now.
I will say a lot of myplans have kind of made the choice
like I did, and that that'snot what they want and they just step
outside completely. But I am happyto work if they're if they're oncologist is
willing to work with them in figuringout what the best plan is for that.
Now, I just have to saythis, if the oncologist, doctor,
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naturopath, whatever practitioner you're working withis not willing to do what you
want. You've got to remember thisis a service industry. It's your body
at the end of the day,and you should be the one that gets
to make the decision whether they likeit or not, and that I think
has been lost on a lot ofus. The doctor said, so I
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have to do this. No,it's your body. If you want to
ram it into the ground, orif you want to heal it and support
it, that's your choice. AndI would recommend to everyone to do as
much research as you can and doit with an open mind because a lot
of people go into it thinking,I mean, they already have a bias.
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And I think this is what savedmy life honestly, is that I
went into the cancer and I said, Okay, clearly something i'm doing did
not work. I need to lookat everything with an open mind, you
know, all the different therapies andsee what is going to be right for
me. Because if you look atit and you only look at the areas
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you already think are right, that'swhat you're going to see and that isn't
necessarily going to give you truth.So just remember, if you have somebody
a practitioner, no matter what kindof practitioner, if they are not willing
to do what you want for yourbody and support you and help you with
that, just find someone else.You're paying them, you should get what
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you want, in my opinion,And I really feel passionate about that.
And you can't tell because I seethis happen all the time where their doctors
are dictating things and they're like,but I don't want to do that.
Well, somewhere else you can.We have the freedom at this point to
do that, so exercise it.Yes, Oh my goodness, Yes,
I one hundred percent agree with that. Matter of fact, I think I've
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had some of those conversations. Youknow. It's one of those things where
we have the ability right now tochoose the life that we live, the
freedom to not go to someone whois in opposition to what we feel in
our own body is the right thingto do. And I think maybe we
could talk a little bit about thatintuitive side of the process that you help
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people with. Oh yes, Ican't tell you how often I see that
intuition cake in, especially with women. No offense guys, but listening to
your body and you know, ifyou feel like Okay, this therapy on
or this therapy, I just Ijust don't want it listen to that.
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I mean, I have clients allthe time. They'll be taking quite a
few supplements and they're like, something'snot sitting in my tummy. Well,
and I'll say which one is it? And they know And there's no logical
reason how they would know which ofthose supplements and they're taking ten supplements,
how would they know which one?But they do almost every time, and
that intuition and then just to takeit a step further, I feel very
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strongly that you know, it's notjust inside you, but it's actively asking
God, like, please show mewhich of these therapies is going to be
helpful, because at the end ofthe day, he's the one that made
your body, and he knows waybetter than any practitioner or even you do
what would actually be best. AndI think that that's a really important I
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like to validate that with people,because I think we've separate everything so much
that people feel like they shouldn't listento their intuition or to God, it
should just be dictated to them.Mm hmm. Well, I'm wondering if
the dictated part feels more secure,because when you step outside of what is
known, it can feel very muchlike where's the ground? Do you know
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what I mean? Oh? Yes, yes. And this is where I
see the biggest difference between clients interms of awesome outcomes. The people that
take responsibility, own what's going onand are actively working on their stuff.
And I mean that generically because whetherit's die or the relationships or any of
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that stuff, but if they're owningit and actively working on it versus stick
your head in the ground somebody elsetell me what to do. I'm not
involved. I don't really want tothink about this. You know, those
people are not going to have thegreat outcomes regardless of if they both do
the exact same treatments. It's justnot going to be the same. There's
an energetic component of taking response ability. And this is where I get really
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excited with the new group program becauseI am encouraging that throughout my one on
one and the group program, becauseI really feel like not only because of
the immediate benefits of taking ownership,but the long term because this is not
an easy process. This is notdo this for six months and you're done.
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This is a lifestyle shift so thatit's not going to come back,
and if people don't take responsibility andactively engage in it, it's not going
to work. It's a paradigm shiftfirst, probably right, absolutely, exactly.
Yeah, it's amazing how powerful thatpart of us is, the way
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that we think, in the waythat we perceive things. It is so
much more powerful than I think thatwe give it credit for because, like
you were talking about earlier, wehave choice in every single thing that happens
to us. And I think westop seeing some of his choices often.
But you know, how you wantto react to a cancer diagnosis, the
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idea that you have different choices andtreatments and stuff. There's there's always an
option, you know, when youfeel boxed in, if you start getting
outside the box and getting outside yourself, you there there's always options. I
keep going back to in my mindthe struggle that we have just as humans
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to have security and comfort and knowledge, right, and cancer takes us out
of that. It, you know, throws a huge wrench in the works
of you know, like you said, if somebody feels like they've been doing
the right things, I've been eatingthe right things, I've been exercising because
you know, I think we feelthat if we do this, this,
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and this, we're totally solid.But what I hear you saying is there's
so much more going on in ourbox and in the environment around us that
it's not like we've done something quotewrong. Yes, yes, that is
a huge message that I think isvery important because clients come in and they
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think I'm going to tell them todo things they've already done. I think
they've already done their best. There'sthings they don't know about, and unfortunately,
the world we live in today,there are so many chemicals and contaminants
that we aren't even aware of.Like literally, we don't even have tests
for all these things in our environmentthat we are completely unaware of in our
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air, our soil, our water, like things that are in you know,
the cushions of our chairs and allour clothing. I mean, it's
insane. And those of us thatare a little more sensitive that would be
me included. I suck at detoxification. I always need to help my body
ongoing. That's what I learned withthe genetic stuff. Need to be doing
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things every day to make sure thatyou know, not only get the toxins
lower in coming in, but tokeep them moving out, and so understanding
this about yourself, it's like Ididn't do something wrong. I just didn't
know as much as I know now, and now I have tools to help
myself so that it's not going tocome back, and that gives me peace.
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That is worth millions. I thinkit's probably invaluable just to know,
like I'm not constantly looking over myshoulder of like when's the other shoe gonna
drop. I know my areas,I know what I need to work on.
I know what I need to bedoing on a daily basis, and
sometimes I get a little blax,but it's not a big thing. And
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if I have some symptoms come up, I'm like, oh, I need
to go and check this test.This is way before a tumor would be
showing up. And this is whereI feel like I have power, I
have control. I have things thatI can shift and do on my own
if I want to be able tohave that freedom and knowledge of the piece.
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I'm not waiting for it to comeback, which is so encouraging.
Yes, you know that you're notlike you're not a victim. I am
not a victim. And honestly,I know this might sound a little flippant,
but I am actually super grateful forcancer because it showed me some health
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issues, specifically some genetic tendencies towardsAlzheimer's, which is now called type three
diabetes. And I had serious insulinresistance, which I have no symptoms of,
you know. And there's several otherthings like the hypothyroid I had,
and the toxins, the mold andeverything. These also all play into Alzheimer's.
And my dad has serious Alzheimer's rightnow, and I'm looking at him,
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I'm going, oh, my goodness, I would take cancer over Alzheimer's
every day of the week. Thatis just awful to watch what he's going
through. And so I'm seeing thisas a wake up call for me.
Now I have the tools to preventthat. And with Alzheimer's, you know,
you it's a prevention game. It'snot a turn things around game like
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cancer is. But it gave mea whole new career that I find incredibly
satisfying. I love helping people,but I also have tools to make sure
that my end of life is asgood as possible. Yeah, it's interesting
how some of these things have becomequote normal, Like it's just kind of
almost like we are being conditioned toaccept the reality that this is what will
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be. And that bothers me.It bothers me and Hensley. And as
a woman that is approaching the perimenopausemenopause phase, like, that's one that
is near and dear to my heartbecause it is not normal to have all
the crazy symptoms that we think ofas normal. And I think that example
is one that us women kind ofcan identify with. But when your hormones
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are dialed in, and you know, the blood sugar regulation is dial in
theoretically, and I've seen this caseafter case, it just slides in and
you don't have the hot flashes andall the stuff. And I'll be watching
the next several years as I slidemyself into it. But I'm feeling like
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I have my finger on the pulseof the areas that I need to for
cancer that are also going to becontributing with that because all these help things
they're also tied together. There's Imean, things like menopause symptoms are signs
that hormones are off, which areone of the areas for cancer and such.
So it's you know, whether youwant to flavor it of it's leaning
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towards ostereoporosis or cancer or Alzheimer's orany of these other bigger issues. All
those little symptoms, even if it'ssomething like your fingernails crack a lot,
you know, or you have alot of split ends and you can't your
hair's not growing as much. Theseare all little sniggly things that sometimes it's
an aesthetic thing that we care aboutit for. But there are reasons to
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look into what going on with yourbody that are usually poo pooed by you
know, standard here. They don'thave time with the insurance the way it's
set up to be able to actuallyaddress these issues. Plus, to be
fair, they have compartmentalized our body. Yes, so we cannot get answers
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for my elbow if I'm looking atmy nose right, yeah, exactly,
And it drives me crazy because theydon't they're not looking at it as a
whole. And to me, ifyou don't look at it as a whole
functioning together, I mean when wecompartmentalize, yeah, it makes it easier
for us practitioners to learn things.We've got this system and that system.
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But they all interact like all thesethings like I was talking about all those
areas, like all the hormones affectthe gut, and the gut affects the
hormones. It's not that clear cut. And this is where we need to
look at ourselves as a much morecomplex being than we ever thought. And
you know, that's not even divinginto the energetics and the electrical fields and
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all this other stuff that we don'teven talk about in you know, the
medicine realm and such. We're verylooking at just the chemical aspect, which
is another big bucket to look at. So when you say energetically, are
you talking about how we engage withour environment and our you know, whether
we're thinking negatively, like is ita mindset thing? Are you just talking
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about being in toxic situations? Whatis that that you mean? Yeah,
so this is a very big generalterm, and so I'm talking about at
the cellular atomic level we have chargespositive and negative, and energetically that makes
a big difference in terms of howour body functions along with the chemical aspect,
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but I'm also talking about a kindof more of a global level.
You know what you mentioned in termsof how we relate and the emotional components
and the connections and the relationships issuch a huge role in it. And
I feel like of my tent areas, one of them kind of deals with
this. But there's a lot moreout there that I think going forward,
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we're going to have a lot moreinformation. But again, we want to
shift the narrative inside ourselves so thatwe're really looking at the world with a
positive aspect and we can let thosenegative things pass through us and not get
stock and cause this like constant irritation, which our emotions actually manifest themselves physically
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into our tissue. There's a lotof interesting research with the fascia showing that
this happens, and yet we're nottalking about it clinically and dealing with it,
and that's a really important component.I've come across an organization called Human
Garage and they do work around that. And I've also have a book called
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The Boss Body Keeps the Score,and that book is intense, you know,
because if there's stuff that's undealt with, maybe stuff you don't remember can
be a little emotional. But Ihave talked to several people about this idea,
and that's why I'm glad that youbrought it up, that you know,
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things get stuck. And I don'tmean this like metaphysically, like I'm
a I'm a Christian, so Ibelieve, you know that God created and
designed my body. But we're alsomind, body, and spirit. So
there is this reality to what wethink, not just what we eat,
what we do, how we feel. All of those things work together and
that is what the components are thatare making us who we are and how
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our body is coping in the worldthat we live in. Oh, yes,
you are speaking my language. Iagree with that so wholeheartedly. And
you know, we try to dothis reductionistic make things really simplistic, and
it doesn't work like that. Thestate that there's research showing, you know,
the state you are in mentally whenyou start to eat food is going
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to affect the release of your digestivejuices. Like if you're in this ampt
up sympathetic state, you're not goingto actually release the digestive juices like this,
that's what everybody is doing now.And so you can eat, you
know, whatever's on the nutrition label, but you're not necessarily going to get
what's on the nutrition label and yourbody is so smart because God created that
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way that it knows what to absorband what not to And there's so many
levels of this that just blows themind. And this is where I'm excited
to see more research go into hopefully, although there's not a lot of funding
probably for it, but there's alot of You just look at the way
that it works and it's just screamingGod's design. It's a beautiful thing,
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you know, for me specifically andto me this ties in. But when
I remember to apply biblical wisdom tomy life, for example, you know,
be anxious for nothing, but ineverything, with prayer and supplication,
with thanksgiving, let your request bemade known to God. You know,
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then the peace of God, whichshopasses all understanding, will guard your hearts
and minds. Like those principles are. We think of them as just spiritual
principles, but there is a mentaland an emotional aspect to that truth as
I apply it to my life,that allows my body right to inhabit this
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space in a much more I guessat ease, at peace less resistance.
And I'm wondering about that emotional resistance. Is that a piece of the puzzle
that can cause us to be sick. I think so. I mean,
we don't have research on that,but I one hundred percent agree with what
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you're saying. I think there's alot, a lot of wisdom in terms
of what the Bible actually says ifyou go through, like I love the
verse that you picked out there.It is very specifically, like it's talking
about your drenal hormones and such,and like we have tools now and tests
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to like prove that what the Bible'ssaying is true. Now, I'm sure
there's still a lot in the Biblethat we can't prove yet, but it's
just because of our own limitations.It's not because the Bible is not true.
And if we would take more ofthat into heart and actually apply it,
I think we would see a lotof the stuff that we're seeing in
terms of chronic disease, going crazyand stuff. I mean, a lot
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of it has to do with welive in a very fallen world. There's
a lot of sin, not necessarilyjust our own other peoples that we are
paying the cost for. But there'sthings we can do and there's hope,
and that's what the Bible is showingus. I think the element of faith
gives us that spiritual and mental abilityto navigate all of these unknowns that you're
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talking about now, if you wereto give my audience three things, because
to your point, I think yourtopic, your area of specialty is it's
amazing. You know, it's multifaceted. There's so much going on. But
what can you say to someone whohears all this and whether or not they
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have cancer, what are three thingsyou really think maybe you should do three
things for someone who doesn't have cancerand three things for someone who does.
I don't know how you want todo it, but that we can anchor
in on to take in what you'resaying and change our bodies in life so
that we are in a more supportiveand healthy state. Yeah, so I
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kind of view cancer instead of ayou have it or you don't, black
and white. I view it asa spectrum. And you know, there's
a point where we get a diagnosisbased on standard of cares measurements, But
to me, there's a lot goingon beforehand and it's in the same zone.
It's just a continuum. And soto me, the messages are the
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same, and that the work,the program is the same, whether it
just depends on how far you arealong the spectrum, how much harder it's
going to be to turn the Titanicaround, so to speak, based on
where you're on the spectrum. Sothe first thing is I would I would
just really try to get it intopeople's head and you know your listeners work
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on getting into your head. Isthat cancer is not caused by one thing.
It's not your fault, it's notone thing. It's usually six to
eight of those areas that I wastalking about, like, it's a lot
of them, and it looks differentfor every single person. The second thing
would be that it's important to knowthat standard of care is not even looking
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at the root cause of why you'vegot cancer. So if you want to
prevent a recurrence, even if you'vealready gone through cancer treatment. I work
with a lot of people that havedone standard of care. They did the
radiation surgery, you know, allthat stuff, and they've started to become
more educated through the process and realizethat it's that didn't address why I got
this, And you know, theycome back around do the program afterwards.
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You know, it's not the acutestate, it's not the pressure and the
time fringe, But that way they'repreventing recurrence, which is a beautiful thing
because that is the part that Ithink is the worst for a lot of
people, is that living with thefear of having to go through that again.
And then the third thing I wouldsay is that it's important that you
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really understand that everyone is different.There is no one size fits all in
terms of addressing these issues, especiallyin terms of alternative treatment. If there
is a practitioner that's saying, oh, everybody should get IVY vitamin C,
I'm just picking on that one today, but turn and run because they're obviously
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not testing. They're not looking atyou as an individual. And I see
this all the time. They've gottenexpensive IV suite. They need to get
bodies in there. It's not whatyou're looking for. You need somebody that's
really going to look at your Gsix PD and see if it's appropriate for
you and look at like, whatare your areas? Is this the most
effective you see your money? Likewe mentioned even something simple like Macha Green
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tea people read online Matcha's really good, it's got ECGC in it's help.
What's cancer. Well, here's thething. If you genetically have called a
COMT compt gene that's slow. You'regonna want to see as far away from
Macha as possible because it's gonna slowit down further. Now, what that
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gene does is it slows down yourbody's getting extra hormones and their transmitters out
of the body. So if youhave cancer, a lot of cancer people
have that slow gene, you don'twant it slowed down. You want it
sped up to get those extra hormonesout that might be affecting the cancer.
And so this is where you know, it's very personalized, looking at what
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specifically do you need. Okay,so cancer's not one thing, get to
the root issue and make it bioindividual. Everybody's different. Those would be my
three things. Terrific And how canpeople find you? Katrina? Yeah,
absolutely so you can find me onInstagram It's just my name, Katrina Foe.
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You can find me on Facebook.It's Nutritional Blodies. That's the name
of my book as well. Andthen I will give you a link if
you are interested in diving in moreto some of these different ten areas and
the testing and stuff. It's calledThe Roadmap to Prevent Cancer Recurrence. It's
an ebook I'll give you the freelink to that, and then, of
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course my website is Cancerfreedom dot com. Fantastic Katrina. I want to thank
you so much for being on theshow today, and I really really appreciate
the journey that you've been on andhow you've chosen to turn it into a
vehicle for other people to find healingand wholeness and a peace about their ability
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to have some autonomy in the processof cancer. I think it's just a
beautiful thing, and I want tothank you so much for taking the time
to be on my show today.Oh it's my pleasure. Fantastic friends today.
If you find us on YouTube,look down below, the links will
be right there. You can geta hold of that ebook no problem.
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If you need to come back laterand you happen to be driving and listening
to the podcast, that way,you can head on over to ww double
you dot Feminine Roadmap dot com,Forward Slash episode three six one and all
of those links will be in theshow notes. Friends, I hope that
this conversation has sparked something in youto think about the power that you have
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in your own health care, thepower that you have to have the healthy
body that you want, and thatthere are resources out there that can help
you accomplish those two things. Youdo not have to be a victim.
You do not have to do whatyou are told to do by whomever is
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telling you that. If you don'tdo it their way, if you feel
bullied in the system, be encouraged. There are other options. And you
know what, today, as werecord this, we still have the freedom
of choice, and I highly encourageyou to take control of your choice and
find the support that you need forthe body that you have. And if
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there's a loved one in your life, share this episode with them, get
them on the journey of at leastinvestigating some of these things. Friends,
our bodies are designed to heal.We just live in a world that is
constantly kind of working against the naturalway that our bodies are meant to be.
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But that doesn't mean that we can'thave victory in health, and I
want to encourage you to know thatthere are things we can do. Please
don't be discouraged, be encouraged bythis conversation. Tap into Katrina's resources and
please share them with your friends.Thank you so much for being with us
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