January 8, 2025 • 48 mins
In this episode of Finding Your Niche with Neish, I sit down with an inspiring entrepreneur who shares her incredible journey from a troubled past filled with greed and emptiness to escaping a religious cult and finding true fulfillment. We discuss how she accepted God's invitation to live a more purposeful life, overcame life-threatening injuries, embraced motherhood, and became an author. This episode is packed with inspiration, showing that no matter where you come from or what you've been through, you can find your path to a fulfilled and purposeful life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And when you are doing the devil's work, he doesn't
bother you. You feel good. Everything is good, you know.
For me, it was when I got home by myself
and all the voices are gone. And I remember I
before I walked away from the religion, I had over
half a million dollars in the bank HM, access to
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all the cars, the money, just access to people to
say hey I need this, and business relationships. And I
remember laying in the bed and I'm like, this is
not it. I don't know where, what I'm doing, where
I'm going, but this is not it. And I literally said, God,
(00:42):
if you real, kill me. I literally wanted to die.
With everything I ever dreamed of, having been a small
town girl, you know, going on tours and just doing
different things, I wanted to die. I'm like, kill me
now mm. And it was like nothing happened. So I
began to call on the different names that I learned
(01:03):
in that religion. None of them came called on Buddha,
called on all of the other stuff that I learned, nothing.
But when I called on Jesus, I felt my body,
my spirit, and my soul just come in tag and
I felt like just being lifted HM. Myself and from
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that day for I made a vow to God I
would never look back.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Welcome to another episode of Finding Your Niche with Niche.
I am so excited to break into this amazing conversation
that I'm getting ready to have with this powerhouse of
a woman. She's a minister, she is a life coach,
she is a confidence coach, she's a prophet, she's a
mom and an author and all of the above. Really,
(02:16):
are you a cardiologist?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Sometimes I feel like it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
She does a little bit of everything. But first of all,
I definitely want to welcome, welcome you to the show, Chasmine, Ayana,
Thank you so much for being here today.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I I've been following you for a while. We
actually just met a couple of months ago at a
dinner where another sister in Christ brought us together just
a lot of like minded women and treated us to
a really, really nice dinner at a restaurant here in Atlanta.
And you were the person that I was sitting next to,
which is such a vulnerable thing because you go to
(02:53):
a dinner and you don't know anybody there, and asking her,
I was like, do any of the other women like
know each other and she's like, no, I don't think so.
So just to be in that position of like, okay, okay, God,
I don't know what this is about. I don't know
who you're gonna have me sitting next to and lo
and behold it was you and we connected and now
we're here.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So cause now we're here and.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We connected instantly. Yeah, just your creativity. I just felt
so much positivity just sitting next to you. So I'm
I was thankful Yeah by that.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, same, I thought the same thing about you, but
I was thinking, like why she just seem so grounded
and so like poised and so just like you've found
your footing with like what you wanna do and stuff
like that. And so I really admired that about you.
And I'm excited to kind of get in the conversation
and talk a little bit about that. So with all
of the things that you do, which we're gonna get
into and a little bit, how are you coping with everything?
(03:44):
How are you? Actually? I know people ask how are you?
But really how are you?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I think I am in a great space right now. Recently,
Gon went through a divorce after fourteen years MM, so
navigating through that transition in learning how to process my feelings,
learning how to say no, learn how to take a
break when I need a break. Yes, navigating through life,
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I think I've never felt so much weight.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Lifted off of me. Yeah, so, and so much at
peace with God.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So that's interesting. So fourteen years, that's not that's not
a short amount of time. You have people, you know,
marriage is a really hard thing for a lot of people.
And to be consistent and to be in that covenant
for such a long time, that's a big deal. It's
not les like okay, like we were together for just
like okay, a month or six months or even just
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three years, Like fourteen years is more than a decade,
right worth of a life that you've spent with somebody.
After those fourteen years, now you in this new chapter,
you know, exploring your endeavors and maybe the possibly the
new person that God might have for you. What would
you say is your biggest takeaway of the fourteen years?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
My biggest takeaway is learning who I am, Because when
you've been with a person so long, it's important to
know who you are, what you like, what you don't like.
So find yourself, find who you are in Christ and
God will send the right people. We got married young,
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so we we were best friends. Just getting married young,
you go through a lot, you go through seasons of change.
That inspired my book as well. So just learn who
you are and find your identity in Christ, and God
will align you with the right person at the right time.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And I think that's such a key part. And I
have to credit my mom for that cause I've been
married for sixteen years now.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And when we first got married, also very young, we
were twenty years old. One of the things that she
imparted into us, into our relationship was exactly what you're saying.
It's knowing yourself, yes, so that when you come together,
it's it helps to kind of create this cohesiveness of
being able to also grow together with the foundation of
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somewhat knowing.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Who you are.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Right w fourteen years ago, who were you?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I was just broken, insecure, I didn't know what I wanted.
I was people pleaser, just going through the motions of life,
not knowing me, not knowing Chasmin. So I just made
a vow to God and myself. I am Chasmin i all,
and I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Walk in who God called me to be.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And when you learn how to walk in your natural
calling or your purpose, you wanna accept anything. So the
more that I begin to know who I was, I
stopped accepting things.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I stopped, you know, being at doormat friends.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I I don't like to say better cause I wasn't
a bettered wife.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It was more so.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
We hurt each other, hurt people, hurt other people. But
when I made a decision to grow, when I made
a decision that God has a purpose for me, and
if it doesn't align with the purpose that God has
for me, it's not from God. I don't I know this.
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You gonna get a lot of hits on this. I
don't believe in the one. I believe in the purpose
and the will of God because someone could come along
and it could work for a while, but that person
may pull you away from the will that God has
for your life, and then what's next. So I believe
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in the purpose of God.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So what do you mean when you say you don't
believe in the one? I'm past that a little week.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Ye really okay?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So are you saying you don't believe that some like
a person can have a specific person that God has
called them to be with Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I do believe that God called certain people to be together.
But I do believe at the end of the day,
his purpose has to be fulfilled.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Because what if you get.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
With that one and say, for instant you have children, right,
and you're with that person that you have children with you. Y,
It's a permissive will, and it's a will of God.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
M God gives us the things that we want.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
He will grants us they say, it says and his work,
he will grants us the things that we won't. But
it may not necessarily be what we need at that time,
you know. But all things work together for the good
of those that love Him and are called according to
His purpose.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So you know it's gonna work out.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So you know, s It's just like certain seasons you have, say,
for instance, certain blessings come in your life and you say, Okay,
I'm gonna do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I live by this ten ten twenty five fifty five rule. Okay.
Ten ten you give to charity or a church.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Ten you spend twenty five, you invest, fifty five you
spend on bills. Right, So you say, I'm gonna do this,
this is my budget, right, and you don't so to
see or you don't, and then things start working out
for you. Then all of a sudden, the money just
drives up. God gave you that blessing, but you didn't
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do the right thing with it. And when we don't
focus on obedience and what He tells us to do,
then guess what we deal with the consequences behind it.
So that's what I mean by the one.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
You both have.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
To be on the same path and wanting the will
of God for your life more than you won't your marriage.
For instance, you got to put down the wife hat
and be that inncessor.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You know how it is when you're married.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You have to know when to put that wife hat
down and put on that intercessor hat, and when to smile.
And and still because a role of a wife, you're
doing it unto God and not necessarily unto man.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, yes, that's your mate. Yes you become one.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But when you do things to unor God and your
covenant is with him, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Be that wife that God called you to be.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Mm So interesting. Okay, So when in the fourteen years,
at what point or maybe a at what year did
you realize this ain't gonna work? And why did you
decide to still stay?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It was a lot of times I'm like, this is
not gonna work, to be honest, But last year I
was in a real bad car accident MM and I.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Nearly lost my life.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I was in a neck brace, back braids, knee brace,
and I had a really bad brain concussion. And during
that time I couldn't do anything but lay in the
bed and allowed God to speak to me. And when
they stay, pain birth purpose MM. So during that season,
(10:45):
I began to learn who I was. I began to
learn the voice of God in a whole other way.
So I would say, when tragedy happened and things started
to transpire, I was like, you know, what, what do
I want for or me? What can I do to
make God be pleased with my life? And that that
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was a hard decision. That that was probably one of
the most hardest decisions I've ever made in life, to
just walk away and choose me, you know, and when
you never knew how to choose yourself, because when you're marriage,
sometimes you get lost.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
In the sauce.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah you could comfortable, comfortable, you get lost in the sauce. Yeah,
So just knowing who you are and what you were
called to. And as long as it's two parties that
are willing, it can work. But when it only becomes one,
then you know, okay, it's time to transition.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Okay. Speaking of transitions, obviously we see like the Woman
of God sitting in front of us today. Like you said,
you had that really transformative experience last year, but even
leading up to that, I I think you an interesting
part of your story that you talk about is for
those of you don't know, one of the titles that
I forgot to say was that you were a celebrity
makeup artist's h. Let's go back a little bit to
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the chasmin from those days.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
HM.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Seeing you would be a woman of God today was
not always the case. Even though you grew up, you know,
with a Christian background, you got affiliated with different people
and connected with different circles, and you were actually in
another religion that Yeah, it's promises, money and and fame
and notoriety. Talk to me about that experience and what
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that was like.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yes, I was in a religion called Epha. With that experience.
It's a lot of different celebrities that are part of it,
and they speak very very boldly about that particular religion.
I got hooked up with their religion because I used
to chase money. Now I chase purpose.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
So when you make money, you're idol.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You kind of get into things, and a lot of
times the different celebrities, money is their idol or fame
is their idol, so they're gonna do whatever it takes
to get there. I remember the first ritual I did
when I was part of the religion. We had to
it was money and we had to fold it up
a certain way and give it to the homeless. And
when I did that, I think it was maybe forty
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eight hours later, I got eight thousand dollars in my
account out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So I'm like, oh, okay, okay, So I'm not tryna,
it's not funny. I'm not laughing at it, but I
got t I y. He have to like explain this
because people hear about this, people see it on the internet,
they troll Illuminati all these other things, and it's like
this kind of unspoken thing that happens. But like, what
is the actual initial introduction, Cause people like, did somebody
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come up to you and say, like.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
What, yes, I ha, I knew people that were part
of their religion. It was a spiritual advisor. He actually
was speaking in churches, wow, big churches here, and I
was deceived because I had itchy ears. I wanted to know,
like what's going on with me? Like what's going on?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Literally meaningay cause I'm like, I know somebody's talking, like
so I didn't know if that if that's.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So, just wanting to know, like what's next. I wasn't
in church at the time. I had left the ministry
that I was a part of, mainly because just different reasons.
You go to a church and you don't realize that
church is a hospital. It's broken people there where For me,
I was oblivious to broken people. I'm like, no, y'all
(14:41):
get it together. I was so religious, like when you
in church you supposed to live right m and just
going through different transitions in life, I'm like, yeah, you
gotta extend grace because God is love.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
God is grace.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You know, the Bible teachers is n You know, you
don't go out and seeing that you think grace may
abide God forbid. But you have to have grace with people.
You have to have love for people. And the more
you focus on love, it outweighs everything else.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah. So back to the religion part.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Those people they were showing me a form of love
that I felt like I was missing from the church. Okay,
that I felt like I was missing because I didn't
love me. I didn't love myself. And when you don't
know yourself and you don't love yourself, you'll.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Get in, yeah, become more susceptible to being deceived.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So the different gods that you pray to, a lot
of the celebrities they do rituals at their concerts, so
they summoning people to become part of that. So anything
or anywhere I go, I have to be live by God.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
You know, you can be a connection, you could be
a Christian, but it may not be a God connection, yeah,
or a God collaboration or Holy Spirit collaboration. So it's
just important to be led by God with all your decision.
I'm not saying, okay, you just sit in one spot
all day every day, just wait and yeah, but just
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put Him first and allow him to guide you.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Faith in action.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Okay. So when you were in that season and you're
in that community and that religion, were you at all
ever fearful or were you cognizant to the fact that, like,
I'm getting money, I'm getting success, but there could be
karma on the other side of this, or like uh,
doom just kind of like lurk in the backgrounds or
did you not care? What was that experience?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
No, the thing is people don't realize that the any uh,
the devil blesses people too, so he he was blessing
me for And when you are doing the devil's work,
he doesn't bother you.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You feel good, everything is good, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
For me, it was when I got home by myself
and all the voices that are gone.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And I remember I before I walked away.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
From the religion, I had over half a million dollars
in the bank, hm, access to all the cars, the money,
just access to people to say hey I need this,
and business relationships. And I remember laying in the bed
and I'm like, this is not it. I don't know
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where what I'm doing, where I'm going, but this is
not it. And I literally said, God, if you real
kill me, I literally wanted to die. With everything I
ever dreamed of, having been a small town girl, you know,
going on tours and just doing different things. I wanted
to die, I'm like, kill me now mm, and it
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was like nothing happened. So I began to call on
the different names that I learned in that religion.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
None of 'em came called on.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Buddha, called on all of the other stuff that I learned, nothing.
But when I called on Jesus, I felt my b
my spirit, and my soul just comment tact and I
felt like just being lifted hm myself. And from that
day for I made a vow to God I would
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never look back, and I haven't looked back. That was
in twenty twenty. So I just thank God for that experience.
I'm not saying I haven't made mistakes. I make mistakes daily,
but I haven't went back to the life of not
knowing who he was.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Wow. So that's good.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So speaking of different seasons, that was an incredible season.
I always wondered about that because you never you hear
these stories, but you never actually know somebody who's in
those organizations and those religions. And it leads me to
go to your book, speak to your season with you
coming out of so many different seasons, so many different trials, tribulations,
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tri uh triumphs in your own life. You decided to
write a book about it. Yeah, speak to your season.
N speak purposely to your seasons, for it is through
mindful expression that we align with our true purpose. Yes,
talk to me about the inspiration behind writing this and
what has the experience been like now becoming an author.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Oh wow, the catastrophic experiences lead me to writing it.
Just life is about different seasons, as it is in
the natural. You have summer, you have fall, you have winter,
and you have spring. Summer, everybody's happy, you know, everything's good. Spring,
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the flowers out, you know, it s seems pretty good.
Fall that's when the leaves start to fall, because when
leaves are on a tree, they have to release those
leave in order for the tree to leave.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
HM.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So you go through seasons of people being removed out
of your life and summer, fall, winter, those are the
cold seasons if you think about it, when winter or come,
that's when people feel depressed a lot of times, or
towards the end of the holidays, losing loved ones. So
just knowing that you're gonna go through different seasons in
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life and knowing the voice of God to be able
to help you navigate through those seasons.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
MM. Because the seasons are inevitable.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
It's inevitable that you're gonna have heartbreak, is at I mean,
think people are gonna hurt.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
You when you put expectations.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I don't believe in have I had a conversation with
one of my friends the other day. I don't believe
in having a wall up. I believe in setting boundaries.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So my book.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
What inspire me to write my book was I didn't
know how to set boundaries.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Like I said, I was a people pleaser.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I wanted to do everything to make everyone else happy,
but nothing really to make myself happy.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
MM.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So until I learned the voice of God and knowing
who he was, I didn't know who I was. And
just going through ministry and to be honest, it's I feel.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Like I see different more.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I've experience experienced more hurtful things in ministry HM than
I have in the world. And what I mean by that,
when you are a Christian, I kind of expect you
to act as such, act in love, but when you're not,
I don't put those expectations on you, and I deal
with you accordingly. And just seeing so much in ministry
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and just having a mindset like okay, God I'm doing
this to please you. I never wanted to be a speaker.
I never wanted to be a prophet. I didn't wanna
be a ministry. I didn't wanna do any of that.
I just wanted to serve God. That that was it.
I never thought I fit in because you know, people
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put God in a box, and they put you in
limitations and tel you, okay, what you can and can't do. Yeah,
but when you focus on having a relationship versus religion,
because what may work for you not work for me.
And I'm always led by God when I'm witnessing to people,
because you never know because what I may say being
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a prophet may shift you into a whole nother direction.
And God is trying to teach you patience, but you're
so excited about what I'm telling you that God is
revealing that you're gonna do things to manipulate the situation,
you know what I mean. May say that you're gonna
be an author, right, but the book may not need
(22:31):
to be released. When I wrote that book, I started
on it back in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. I
didn't release it until last year. Wow, So you have
to wait on the timing of God. So he still
took even my book. I pick up my book now
to encourage myself, so to pour back into myself. And
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I'm reminded of those different seasons I went through that,
you know, people were pouring into me, even ministries I
were part of, like you gonna be this, you gonna
go all over the world, your voice is gonna travel.
And I'm looking at them like, no, yeah, how can
God use me?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Mm?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
You know, I didn't think God could use me with
the background that I had coming from. You know, I
didn't have this pretty fancy, peaky white fence that they said.
You know, I come being affiliated with gangs, drugs, you know,
being promiscuous, these things. So I knew the streets. I
learned loyalty in the streets. I didn't learn loyalty in
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the church. When I got to the church, it was
a trick of the enemy where the spirit of of fence.
I was so offended because I had expectations on them. Yeah,
so I'm very Yeah, it's a real thing. People don't
talk about it. It's a real thing. But I like
to say church hurt, but it My friend, she has
a book calls church hurt.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
But it healed.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
And I read that book and it helped me navigate
through that period of time.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, and I r even going through that.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I was hurt because I put expectations and I didn't
know who I was. Because when you know who you were,
no matter what people were saying, it doesn't affect you.
And you have to know that they're human too, you know.
And I extend grace. And when you extend grace, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, you don't you look at things differently.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, And I think what's interesting too when we think
about seasons is that they happen over and over again.
It's not just like Okay, you're gonna go through something
and then okay, good, I don't ever have to go
through winter again. Like, No, next year, you're gonna have
another phase. You're gonna have another season in which God
is gonna be working on you through that specific season.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
So I love when I have authors come on because
I like to pick through the book and get their
insight kind of in real times. I'm just gonna put
pick something out of here, okay, and I want you
to kind of expound on it. Okay, go ahead, ooh, okay,
let me see i'm'a p i'm'a p pin that one
right there. Okay, Okay, this is so, it's so kind
(25:09):
of walk me through the concept. Is it kind of
a devotional cause it's kind of laid out by days.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Devotional is intended for you to have a journey, oh,
like a journal to write along when you're hearing God say,
setting goals, finding who you are, no, finding your purpose.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Okay, alright, I'm gonna pick fifteen, since today's at fifteenth day,
fifteen caught of the day. God will give you provision
for the vision He has given you. You are fearfully
and wonderfully made in His image. The world needs you. Yes, Chasminayana,
What are your dreams and aspirations that you are believing
God for?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So with that one. Sometimes with God when you know
it's a vision from God. I remember writing that it
was this big vision like shing me that I was
going to be speaking in front of thousands of people.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And I remember when.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I launched my class, one of my classes I launched
a few years ago, back in twenty twenty two, only
seven people showed.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Up on my zone. So I'm like, God, you show vision.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You showed me in this vision, I was gonna be
speaking in front of these thousands of people, right, only
seven people showed up, Like you're.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Gonna have to help me with this. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So I just remember praying and just being consistent with
those seven and God began to speak to me. He said,
if you be fr faithful of a few things.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'll make your ruler of me.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And that particular season in my life, those people helped
push me, provided provision for me like never before. So
had I been caught up in the numbers, like it's
only seven people, but those were lifetime connections that you know.
One of 'em she's teaching in college, teaching makeup in college.
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The other one is in the beauty industry going all
over I have another one that's a make up artist
now and she's into film make up, going to.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Be a esthetician.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
So all of the other ones are just doing great
things and that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, And I love that. And it just also
continues to speak to the posture of your heart.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
MM.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
You having your non profit organization, Finding Beauty Within, talk
to me about why you started that and what's the
overall I guess big picture with that Oh funny.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I started it because always my house has always been
the house that all the teenagers hang out. Even I
had nanny's that were young, so they all wanna hang
out at my house.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
And I'm like, they always looked up to me.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So I remember, even before I rededicated my life to
christ I'm like, why.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Do they look up it?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Like I'm this crazy girl, Like why do they? And
they would always ask me for advice. So I always
had a passion and I just tell people, whatever your
purpose is, you've.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Been doing it all alone.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So my daughter ended up hanging with the wrong crowd
in the m in middle school, and they were the
teachers just like you should come up here and volunteer.
I was like, no, I don't want to work with
these kids. I have a busy schedule. I'm like, I'm busy.
And that next week a boy brought a gun to
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school and put it in my daughter's locker. Wow, And
you could see it on the camera where he asked
her could he put it in a locker? She h
hasn't been exposed to gun, you know, contrary to my background.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
She grew up in the suburbs.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So he put the gun in a locker, and he
you could see him on camera and and she's like like,
don't know what to say, don't do The school went
on lockdown.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It was all over the news. Most embarrassing situation.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I had just left the ministry that I was a
part of for almost five like life was life and wow,
like life was life and and they were like the
principal wrote letters when she had her court day, like, no,
she was a ab student, never been in any trouble, never.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Had any issues and Si.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah, and except for having a gun, and except
for having.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
A gun at a locker, never had a background, never been
written up. So all the teachers, they were like protesting.
And I started doing homeschool. So that was the best
decision I ever made in life.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah. I think that's so interesting too.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Him.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
We talked about it a little bit before over the phone,
cause I were a girl.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Moms.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah and so and I think your daughters are eight
years apart, yes, okay, like mine as well, and so
it's just it's interesting the dynamic between mother and daughter. Yes,
I'm learning it from myself now it's my daughter's nine.
How bad dynamic. It's very complicated. It is what advice
did you give to your daughter during that situation and
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what do you think maybe you did or didn't do
that led to her not being able to I guess
stick up for herself in that moment, and that well.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I was teaching her how to be like that doormat
that you that we talked about in the beginning, and
just not really pouring into her like I should have
and pouring into other people. You'd be busy with the
rat race of life and your kids are right there.
So l like I was say, like during that time,
I just develop a relationship with her like I never
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had and just begin to pour into her, not just
tell her what to do, but just try to relate,
be relatable.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I learned how to listen.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
M Listening is very important because children will tell you
where they are. Yeah, So just me learning how to
listen and be that that caregiver.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I guess that's soft, Yes, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm learning how to be soft with my daughters. I'm
struggling with it because like I'm a woman, and I
know like when you're tryna finest me, like I know
when you're doing something. So I'm like, oh, still trying
to find a balance with like being firm, but also,
like you said, finding that softness that gent don't have
to find.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Us because they have to find their way.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, you may like a lot of times I have
the answer, but I won't tell her to answer.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I'm like, well, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Or when she's she's dating now, I'm like, she tell
me these different little things, and I'm like, so do.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You like 'em?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
So what do you like about 'em? How do you
know you like 'em? So I may have the answer.
And when they become teenagers, you just let them find
their way long than not out here being crazy or whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, but just l letting them.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Navigate life and find their way because it's a lot
of kids that don't know how to make decisions. Yeah,
and I was real big on that, you know, entrepreneurship,
learning how to find your way make your own money.
Just like today they went, they cooked her and one
of her friends.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
They love.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Her friend has been staying over for the past week,
and they cook hot wings and row tail dips. So
I'm telling them how to cook it, and they sold
it at school. So just helping them figure out cause entrepreneurship, you.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Know, it helps you find who you are Yup.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It helps you realize like, wait a minute, it's a
faith journey, right, like when some businesses are.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Six figures, then you have other business I.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Made twenty dollars, Like what's going on? It's just life
and just being encouraged through those seasons.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah. I think something interesting too about your dynamic with
you having a prophetic gift and being able to see
in the spiritual realm uh, with your child, With your children,
you have these aspirations, these hopes, and these dreams of
where you would like to see them go and see
them be successful. When it comes to God showing you
visions to your children, how hard is it for you
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to withhold information from them that, like you said, doesn't
kind of like sc skew them to go in a
certain direction? And uh, what does it mean to you
to also be able to see like where God is
going to take them in general?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well, yeah, God, it w That's why the Bible teaches
us we prophesying parts m so God won't reveal things
that I'm not ready for. So walking into prophetic I
just tell people, learn how to manage your emotions, cause
you gonna see a lot of stuff with people I
talk to people all.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Day every day. I know when they're lying, I know
when their heartbeat is.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Off, and I I can see you know, I I see.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
But I don't always let them know.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I just pray mm and people be like, you're smiling
and I'm smiling, and I'm casting it out and I'm
praying while you're talking.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
So I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Allow people to emotions or cause someone can be coming
to you crying and not even sorry, is yea. And
you got to know how to cater, not cater to
the demon, but you got to know how to speak
to that spirit.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I tell people all the time, I don't play with demons.
I cast 'em out.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
If you not ready to get delivered, don't come over here, mm,
don't come over here playing. So just knowing that I
don't tell everyone I have a gift. Even people close
to me don't know unless God reveal it to them.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
So just and how long did it take you to
get comfortable with that gift? Because sometimes that gift caused
you to, like, you know, say things to people that
maybe they're not ready to hear, or that might be
difficult for them to hear. How how long did it
take you to get comfortable with what comes with that gift.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Oh wow, I'm still learning. M I'm still I'm I'm
comfortable with it. So wait, let me back up. I'm
comfortable with it, just learning how to manage my emotions
through it.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
When I have to deliver a message.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I remember once I was sitting on a a board
of a non.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Profit okay, God, don't'na go there.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And it was a a friend of mine at the time,
none profit, and I had a vision of her.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
She was involved with a girl.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
And we got into a bad fight, and I'm like,
hold on, wait a minute, like, what's going on now?
She was married, so I didn't understand why I seen it.
She was yes, okay, but I seen it. But anyway,
long story is short. I begin to pray when I
see things in vision, I'm like, is this a vision
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from God? Or is this a something I'm thinking? Or
is something to me? You have to examine yourself and
walking into prophetic. You have to keep her prere hard.
I tell people all the time. You have to forgive
quickly because if you harbor over anything in your heart,
it could damage which what God is trying to.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Reveal in your life.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Long story short, God gave me scripture and it was
like a false idol and MM all of this stuf.
And I went to my mentor at the time and
I'm like, hey, I just had this vision in the
I don't know and she's like, are you gonna obey God?
Or are you gonna obey man? Long story short, I
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told her what I seen and she kind of got
quiet on the phone and I'm like, okay, what.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Is what is this?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
And she was like, well, you can see you're on it.
So we begin. I used to pray and lead the
prayers for the non profit. So we were on a
board meeting, me leading the prayer and everything, and a
conversation of sage came up HM and i'm'a go there,
(36:42):
and I said. I got quiet while they were talking
about it, and they asked me my opinion, what do
I think about it? I said, well, you don't need
sage if you have Jesus, I said, I believe that
I can apply to blood over anything in my life.
And God was shit, if anything, I need him to
shift out and it she got upset and sh I said, well,
(37:07):
here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I said, I love Nilty.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
You know, we cali baby, but I love Niltsey hustle,
but Niltsy burned.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Sage every day.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
But sage, they teach you, is to protect you from
bad and evil spirits. Well, someone with the evil spirit
was able to kill him. So if sage is your protection,
then it should protect you from death.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So when I made that statement, it was like a
uproar long story short, I.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Got kicked off the board. I couldn't imagine. I got
kicked off the board. We no longer need your services
no more. And I was like, I, guy, I love you.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
But me going through that back to how I started
my nonprofit. God had told me to start it, but
I wanted to serve.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I got so.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Caught off in helping other people because I knew how
to build a six figure non profit. I had served
and yeah, you know, been over a coo of a
non profit and just basically went from making twenty dollars
now you getting two hundred fifty thousand dollar grants. So
I n I could build it like the back of
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my hand. And God was like, it's time.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
And I'm like, no, it's not time.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, I wanna serve. I wanna help everybody. Yeah, So yeah,
that's wow.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I and I'm interested to know kind of how you
kind of pull everything together, cause obviously you have a
a really strong spiritual foundation. Now you're a mom, but
you're also a business woman. Talk to me about how
you've been able to navigate that space in entrepreneurship and
what has been kind of your biggest takeaway in that's
(38:51):
in that industry.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Well, what's my biggest takeaway is just being God led
at that time. Cause when you are a vision you're
gonna get different ideas and it may work for a
little while, but just going with the shift of things.
So for me, just sitting in the presence of God
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when I get this big, bright idea that I wanna
do and just waiting on His timing to launch it.
So I used to have a boutique. I made six
figures with my boutique. I was introduced to direct sales
with One Voice Worldwide, which is I'm a part of
we have a global mall. So when Covid hit, I
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no longer had to buy the inventory. It was drop
shipped through One Voice Worldwide, So that was I was
able to save money and make money that way.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
So with me being a part of a direct sales
I'm able to focus on my business.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Without doing the most.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
You have a community of people, So say, for instance,
you wanna have any event, you have these different people
within your network can help you and build and bring
the awareness. And I tell people all the time it's
no competition at the top, it's only collaboration.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
And for people who don't know one voice is in
at this network marketing, yes, how how do you kind
of navigate that space because some people th a it's
just like it puts a bad taste in their mouth
when they hear a network yes how Yeah, they think
about playing these schemes. So how have you been able
to kind of I guess shift that perspective with people
that you interact with.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
My CEO is a black business owner, and I deal
with people based on their heart and if they have integrity.
I know a lot of people even in ministry, but
they don't necessarily have integrity. Yeah, and integrity are is
a big thing. And in network marketing.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
As the CEO he teaches us, it's called whip.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You know you you gotta have in this uh act
them and I don't have all of them, but I
is integrity, personal perseverance is p They gotta have hunger.
So if those and pretty much wisdom with people, So
if they carry all of these great qualities and working
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with them, you.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Can build an empire. And I I've literally seen my CEO.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
He makes three million dollars a month just off one business,
and he coached people all over the world and he
charged ten thousand dollars a session.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
And here it is.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I'm just paying a maintenance fee to just be a
part to have my website launch and I can call
what business do you know where you can call the
CEO on the phone and say, hey, I need help
with this. So just about just collaboration over competition. So
that's what network marketing. Everyone has their own experience of why.
(41:59):
But my why is the empowerment of people. I get
to go speak, I get to travel, and I get
to empower people through my journey. I'm not gonna lie
to you, mm so you y, the business won't work
for you if you don't work it. We have natural
care products we have for me. I work the financial division,
so I help business owners get loans, startup loans, things
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in that sort because it aligns with my PR business,
it aligns with what I'm doing on my own so
it's not a conflict of interest.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I can all collab all of it together.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So I I've seen you say once or twice on
social media that people try to take you out of
retirement from being a makeup artist. Is that something that
y that was as a season Is that like a
seasonal thing or is it something that like you still
would identify yourself with as being a celebrity makeup artist
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among all of the other things that you just said
you do.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I have set clients now, I don't I do. If
I wanted to work in the industry and be on tour, I.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Could do that right now.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
But where God, If it doesn't align with where God
is taking me, I don't accept it. I don't chase
money anymore being a makeup artist. I made six figures
like the back of my hand.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I still make.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Really good but I enjoyed. I had a six thirty
client this morning, so not getting in his sleep going
to my client.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
But I love her. I love her energy.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
She pours into me and she's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
My one of my celebrity clients.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
But for me, I think God used makeup for ministry
cause he knew that I would not do ministry. I
absolutely did not like speaking. I'm speaking now, I it's God.
But I absolutely did not want to be a minister.
I absolutely didn't wanna be a pro. I didn't want
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to speak in nobody life. But through that period of
me doing makeup, God used at at to build my ministry.
So the connections I made was from the different clients
and lifetime partnership was through make up. So I still
do make up. I still teach make up classes, but
now yeah, I choose my clients.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Okay, okay, speaking of choosings. Now with you in this
new space, this new transition after recently being divorced, in
this kind of single space dating space, what would you say, cause,
like you just mentioned becoming a minister and er a
dained minister. Do you think when someone's a minister they
have kind of a different standard of how they live life.
(44:37):
And what kind of standard do you bring or introduced
to someone who might.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Be dating you.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Well, for me, I have boundaries and I have expectations
on what I want.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
I'm not n I'm not the girl. You can't you
got a co I'm Southern. Yes we have to go
on dates.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yes we gotta get to know each other, yes, all
of this other stuff, whereas abstinence is in there too, Yeah,
it should.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Be in there. Yes.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
So for me, just knowing who I am and if
the person that I'm dating.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Don't align with where I'm going, then we won't date.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Mm.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
So now I can tell by.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
A conversation if it's not gonna work. So I don't
believe in wasting my time and I'm not gonna waste
your time.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Mm I love that. Okay. So as we get ready
to close, obviously you have your nonprofit organization. You're continuing
to use your prophetic gift as God you know, gives
it to you. You're speaking to people and speaking life
to people through your business. What would you say, Cause
you said collaboration over competition. As you look forward into
(45:58):
the future, what would you say, it's the biggest way
that you are l are wanting to collaborate with God in.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Life, just basically just knowing that, like I mentioned earlier,
just because someone is a Christian, just because someone is
doing what you're doing, does not mean that it's a
God or Dane collaboration. God may tell you to work
with someone who's a atheist, you know, just so His
(46:26):
will could be done. So for me for collaborating, I
just want to make sure it aligns with God and
his timing. So just listening and waiting on the right
collaborations at the right time, because I get calls all
day and m I'm sure my phone is ringing. Now, Hey,
I have this idea and it's a great idea and
(46:48):
it sounds good and I know it may work. But
if it's gonna take me off the course that I'm on,
I wanna accept it.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Mm. So I love that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
And for people who wanna connect with you, who wanna
learn more about what you're doing, who wanna pour into
the organization and just possibly collaborate with you, what is
the best way for people to contact you and reach out?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Okay, they can contact me at chessmaniiana dot com. Also
on my Instagram I am Chessmanayana. My Facebook chess Maniaiana,
So everything is Chessmaniyana.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Is that your middle name?
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Oh that's so free, Thank you, thank you. And what's
my other finding beautywithdin dot org. So if you wanna
donate to the organization or donate to the vision, go
to finding beautywin dot work.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, I love that and last question before I close
Finding Beauty Within with the show Finding your Niche. With Niche,
I like to talk to people about how they actually
were able to find that beauty within, to find their
purpose and navigate a space that God has called them
to occupy. At what moment did it all click for you?
You where you realize, Okay, this is this is exactly
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who I'm supposed to become.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Last year, when I was going through my transition, just
learning how to heal in that process, I wasn't focused
on getting to know somebody else. I wasn't cause we
weren't together. So I just zeroed in and focused on me.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
So last year was like a light bulb hit like and.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Now you are and now you feel clear about where
it's going. Yakay, Jasmin has found her niche. But thank
you so much for coming on the show. This was
a great conversation. You have such an incredible story that's
gonna continue to uplift and empower and motivate people. And
I just continue to play pr pray God's speed over
your life.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yes, alright til next time.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Peace,
And when you are doing the devil's work, he doesn't
bother you. You feel good. Everything is good, you know.
For me, it was when I got home by myself
and all the voices are gone. And I remember I
before I walked away from the religion, I had over
half a million dollars in the bank HM, access to
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all the cars, the money, just access to people to
say hey I need this, and business relationships. And I
remember laying in the bed and I'm like, this is
not it. I don't know where, what I'm doing, where
I'm going, but this is not it. And I literally said, God,
(00:42):
if you real, kill me. I literally wanted to die.
With everything I ever dreamed of, having been a small
town girl, you know, going on tours and just doing
different things, I wanted to die. I'm like, kill me
now mm. And it was like nothing happened. So I
began to call on the different names that I learned
(01:03):
in that religion. None of them came called on Buddha,
called on all of the other stuff that I learned, nothing.
But when I called on Jesus, I felt my body,
my spirit, and my soul just come in tag and
I felt like just being lifted HM. Myself and from
(01:24):
that day for I made a vow to God I
would never look back.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Welcome to another episode of Finding Your Niche with Niche.
I am so excited to break into this amazing conversation
that I'm getting ready to have with this powerhouse of
a woman. She's a minister, she is a life coach,
she is a confidence coach, she's a prophet, she's a
mom and an author and all of the above. Really,
(02:16):
are you a cardiologist?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Sometimes I feel like it.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
She does a little bit of everything. But first of all,
I definitely want to welcome, welcome you to the show, Chasmine, Ayana,
Thank you so much for being here today.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, I I've been following you for a while. We
actually just met a couple of months ago at a
dinner where another sister in Christ brought us together just
a lot of like minded women and treated us to
a really, really nice dinner at a restaurant here in Atlanta.
And you were the person that I was sitting next to,
which is such a vulnerable thing because you go to
(02:53):
a dinner and you don't know anybody there, and asking her,
I was like, do any of the other women like
know each other and she's like, no, I don't think so.
So just to be in that position of like, okay, okay, God,
I don't know what this is about. I don't know
who you're gonna have me sitting next to and lo
and behold it was you and we connected and now
we're here.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
So cause now we're here and.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We connected instantly. Yeah, just your creativity. I just felt
so much positivity just sitting next to you. So I'm
I was thankful Yeah by that.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, same, I thought the same thing about you, but
I was thinking, like why she just seem so grounded
and so like poised and so just like you've found
your footing with like what you wanna do and stuff
like that. And so I really admired that about you.
And I'm excited to kind of get in the conversation
and talk a little bit about that. So with all
of the things that you do, which we're gonna get
into and a little bit, how are you coping with everything?
(03:44):
How are you? Actually? I know people ask how are you?
But really how are you?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I think I am in a great space right now. Recently,
Gon went through a divorce after fourteen years MM, so
navigating through that transition in learning how to process my feelings,
learning how to say no, learn how to take a
break when I need a break. Yes, navigating through life,
(04:08):
I think I've never felt so much weight.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Lifted off of me. Yeah, so, and so much at
peace with God.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So that's interesting. So fourteen years, that's not that's not
a short amount of time. You have people, you know,
marriage is a really hard thing for a lot of people.
And to be consistent and to be in that covenant
for such a long time, that's a big deal. It's
not les like okay, like we were together for just
like okay, a month or six months or even just
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three years, Like fourteen years is more than a decade,
right worth of a life that you've spent with somebody.
After those fourteen years, now you in this new chapter,
you know, exploring your endeavors and maybe the possibly the
new person that God might have for you. What would
you say is your biggest takeaway of the fourteen years?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
My biggest takeaway is learning who I am, Because when
you've been with a person so long, it's important to
know who you are, what you like, what you don't like.
So find yourself, find who you are in Christ and
God will send the right people. We got married young,
(05:18):
so we we were best friends. Just getting married young,
you go through a lot, you go through seasons of change.
That inspired my book as well. So just learn who
you are and find your identity in Christ, and God
will align you with the right person at the right time.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And I think that's such a key part. And I
have to credit my mom for that cause I've been
married for sixteen years now.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And when we first got married, also very young, we
were twenty years old. One of the things that she
imparted into us, into our relationship was exactly what you're saying.
It's knowing yourself, yes, so that when you come together,
it's it helps to kind of create this cohesiveness of
being able to also grow together with the foundation of
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somewhat knowing.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Who you are.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Right w fourteen years ago, who were you?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I was just broken, insecure, I didn't know what I wanted.
I was people pleaser, just going through the motions of life,
not knowing me, not knowing Chasmin. So I just made
a vow to God and myself. I am Chasmin i all,
and I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Walk in who God called me to be.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And when you learn how to walk in your natural
calling or your purpose, you wanna accept anything. So the
more that I begin to know who I was, I
stopped accepting things.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I stopped, you know, being at doormat friends.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I I don't like to say better cause I wasn't
a bettered wife.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It was more so.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
We hurt each other, hurt people, hurt other people. But
when I made a decision to grow, when I made
a decision that God has a purpose for me, and
if it doesn't align with the purpose that God has
for me, it's not from God. I don't I know this.
(07:13):
You gonna get a lot of hits on this. I
don't believe in the one. I believe in the purpose
and the will of God because someone could come along
and it could work for a while, but that person
may pull you away from the will that God has
for your life, and then what's next. So I believe
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in the purpose of God.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So what do you mean when you say you don't
believe in the one? I'm past that a little week.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Ye really okay?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
So are you saying you don't believe that some like
a person can have a specific person that God has
called them to be with Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I do believe that God called certain people to be together.
But I do believe at the end of the day,
his purpose has to be fulfilled.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Because what if you get.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
With that one and say, for instant you have children, right,
and you're with that person that you have children with you. Y,
It's a permissive will, and it's a will of God.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
M God gives us the things that we want.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
He will grants us they say, it says and his work,
he will grants us the things that we won't. But
it may not necessarily be what we need at that time,
you know. But all things work together for the good
of those that love Him and are called according to
His purpose.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So you know it's gonna work out.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So you know, s It's just like certain seasons you have, say,
for instance, certain blessings come in your life and you say, Okay,
I'm gonna do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
I live by this ten ten twenty five fifty five rule. Okay.
Ten ten you give to charity or a church.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Ten you spend twenty five, you invest, fifty five you
spend on bills. Right, So you say, I'm gonna do this,
this is my budget, right, and you don't so to
see or you don't, and then things start working out
for you. Then all of a sudden, the money just
drives up. God gave you that blessing, but you didn't
(09:09):
do the right thing with it. And when we don't
focus on obedience and what He tells us to do,
then guess what we deal with the consequences behind it.
So that's what I mean by the one.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
You both have.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
To be on the same path and wanting the will
of God for your life more than you won't your marriage.
For instance, you got to put down the wife hat
and be that inncessor.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
You know how it is when you're married.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You have to know when to put that wife hat
down and put on that intercessor hat, and when to smile.
And and still because a role of a wife, you're
doing it unto God and not necessarily unto man.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, yes, that's your mate. Yes you become one.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But when you do things to unor God and your
covenant is with him, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Be that wife that God called you to be.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Mm So interesting. Okay, So when in the fourteen years,
at what point or maybe a at what year did
you realize this ain't gonna work? And why did you
decide to still stay?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It was a lot of times I'm like, this is
not gonna work, to be honest, But last year I
was in a real bad car accident MM and I.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Nearly lost my life.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I was in a neck brace, back braids, knee brace,
and I had a really bad brain concussion. And during
that time I couldn't do anything but lay in the
bed and allowed God to speak to me. And when
they stay, pain birth purpose MM. So during that season,
(10:45):
I began to learn who I was. I began to
learn the voice of God in a whole other way.
So I would say, when tragedy happened and things started
to transpire, I was like, you know, what, what do
I want for or me? What can I do to
make God be pleased with my life? And that that
(11:09):
was a hard decision. That that was probably one of
the most hardest decisions I've ever made in life, to
just walk away and choose me, you know, and when
you never knew how to choose yourself, because when you're marriage,
sometimes you get lost.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
In the sauce.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah you could comfortable, comfortable, you get lost in the sauce. Yeah,
So just knowing who you are and what you were
called to. And as long as it's two parties that
are willing, it can work. But when it only becomes one,
then you know, okay, it's time to transition.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Okay. Speaking of transitions, obviously we see like the Woman
of God sitting in front of us today. Like you said,
you had that really transformative experience last year, but even
leading up to that, I I think you an interesting
part of your story that you talk about is for
those of you don't know, one of the titles that
I forgot to say was that you were a celebrity
makeup artist's h. Let's go back a little bit to
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the chasmin from those days.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
HM.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Seeing you would be a woman of God today was
not always the case. Even though you grew up, you know,
with a Christian background, you got affiliated with different people
and connected with different circles, and you were actually in
another religion that Yeah, it's promises, money and and fame
and notoriety. Talk to me about that experience and what
(12:33):
that was like.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yes, I was in a religion called Epha. With that experience.
It's a lot of different celebrities that are part of it,
and they speak very very boldly about that particular religion.
I got hooked up with their religion because I used
to chase money. Now I chase purpose.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
So when you make money, you're idol.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You kind of get into things, and a lot of
times the different celebrities, money is their idol or fame
is their idol, so they're gonna do whatever it takes
to get there. I remember the first ritual I did
when I was part of the religion. We had to
it was money and we had to fold it up
a certain way and give it to the homeless. And
when I did that, I think it was maybe forty
(13:19):
eight hours later, I got eight thousand dollars in my
account out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
So I'm like, oh, okay, okay, So I'm not tryna,
it's not funny. I'm not laughing at it, but I
got t I y. He have to like explain this
because people hear about this, people see it on the internet,
they troll Illuminati all these other things, and it's like
this kind of unspoken thing that happens. But like, what
is the actual initial introduction, Cause people like, did somebody
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come up to you and say, like.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
What, yes, I ha, I knew people that were part
of their religion. It was a spiritual advisor. He actually
was speaking in churches, wow, big churches here, and I
was deceived because I had itchy ears. I wanted to know,
like what's going on with me? Like what's going on?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Literally meaningay cause I'm like, I know somebody's talking, like
so I didn't know if that if that's.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So, just wanting to know, like what's next. I wasn't
in church at the time. I had left the ministry
that I was a part of, mainly because just different reasons.
You go to a church and you don't realize that
church is a hospital. It's broken people there where For me,
I was oblivious to broken people. I'm like, no, y'all
(14:41):
get it together. I was so religious, like when you
in church you supposed to live right m and just
going through different transitions in life, I'm like, yeah, you
gotta extend grace because God is love.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
God is grace.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
You know, the Bible teachers is n You know, you
don't go out and seeing that you think grace may
abide God forbid. But you have to have grace with people.
You have to have love for people. And the more
you focus on love, it outweighs everything else.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah. So back to the religion part.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Those people they were showing me a form of love
that I felt like I was missing from the church. Okay,
that I felt like I was missing because I didn't
love me. I didn't love myself. And when you don't
know yourself and you don't love yourself, you'll.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Get in, yeah, become more susceptible to being deceived.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So the different gods that you pray to, a lot
of the celebrities they do rituals at their concerts, so
they summoning people to become part of that. So anything
or anywhere I go, I have to be live by God.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
You know, you can be a connection, you could be
a Christian, but it may not be a God connection, yeah,
or a God collaboration or Holy Spirit collaboration. So it's
just important to be led by God with all your decision.
I'm not saying, okay, you just sit in one spot
all day every day, just wait and yeah, but just
(16:11):
put Him first and allow him to guide you.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Faith in action.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Okay. So when you were in that season and you're
in that community and that religion, were you at all
ever fearful or were you cognizant to the fact that, like,
I'm getting money, I'm getting success, but there could be
karma on the other side of this, or like uh,
doom just kind of like lurk in the backgrounds or
did you not care? What was that experience?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
No, the thing is people don't realize that the any uh,
the devil blesses people too, so he he was blessing
me for And when you are doing the devil's work,
he doesn't bother you.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You feel good, everything is good, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
For me, it was when I got home by myself
and all the voices that are gone.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
And I remember I before I walked away.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
From the religion, I had over half a million dollars
in the bank, hm, access to all the cars, the money,
just access to people to say hey I need this,
and business relationships. And I remember laying in the bed
and I'm like, this is not it. I don't know
(17:22):
where what I'm doing, where I'm going, but this is
not it. And I literally said, God, if you real
kill me, I literally wanted to die. With everything I
ever dreamed of, having been a small town girl, you know,
going on tours and just doing different things. I wanted
to die, I'm like, kill me now mm, and it
(17:44):
was like nothing happened. So I began to call on
the different names that I learned in that religion.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
None of 'em came called on.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Buddha, called on all of the other stuff that I learned, nothing.
But when I called on Jesus, I felt my b
my spirit, and my soul just comment tact and I
felt like just being lifted hm myself. And from that
day for I made a vow to God I would
(18:11):
never look back, and I haven't looked back. That was
in twenty twenty. So I just thank God for that experience.
I'm not saying I haven't made mistakes. I make mistakes daily,
but I haven't went back to the life of not
knowing who he was.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Wow. So that's good.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So speaking of different seasons, that was an incredible season.
I always wondered about that because you never you hear
these stories, but you never actually know somebody who's in
those organizations and those religions. And it leads me to
go to your book, speak to your season with you
coming out of so many different seasons, so many different trials, tribulations,
(18:52):
tri uh triumphs in your own life. You decided to
write a book about it. Yeah, speak to your season.
N speak purposely to your seasons, for it is through
mindful expression that we align with our true purpose. Yes,
talk to me about the inspiration behind writing this and
what has the experience been like now becoming an author.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Oh wow, the catastrophic experiences lead me to writing it.
Just life is about different seasons, as it is in
the natural. You have summer, you have fall, you have winter,
and you have spring. Summer, everybody's happy, you know, everything's good. Spring,
(19:33):
the flowers out, you know, it s seems pretty good.
Fall that's when the leaves start to fall, because when
leaves are on a tree, they have to release those
leave in order for the tree to leave.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
HM.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So you go through seasons of people being removed out
of your life and summer, fall, winter, those are the
cold seasons if you think about it, when winter or come,
that's when people feel depressed a lot of times, or
towards the end of the holidays, losing loved ones. So
just knowing that you're gonna go through different seasons in
(20:08):
life and knowing the voice of God to be able
to help you navigate through those seasons.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
MM. Because the seasons are inevitable.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
It's inevitable that you're gonna have heartbreak, is at I mean,
think people are gonna hurt.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
You when you put expectations.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I don't believe in have I had a conversation with
one of my friends the other day. I don't believe
in having a wall up. I believe in setting boundaries.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So my book.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
What inspire me to write my book was I didn't
know how to set boundaries.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Like I said, I was a people pleaser.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I wanted to do everything to make everyone else happy,
but nothing really to make myself happy.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
MM.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So until I learned the voice of God and knowing
who he was, I didn't know who I was. And
just going through ministry and to be honest, it's I feel.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Like I see different more.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I've experience experienced more hurtful things in ministry HM than
I have in the world. And what I mean by that,
when you are a Christian, I kind of expect you
to act as such, act in love, but when you're not,
I don't put those expectations on you, and I deal
with you accordingly. And just seeing so much in ministry
(21:27):
and just having a mindset like okay, God I'm doing
this to please you. I never wanted to be a speaker.
I never wanted to be a prophet. I didn't wanna
be a ministry. I didn't wanna do any of that.
I just wanted to serve God. That that was it.
I never thought I fit in because you know, people
(21:48):
put God in a box, and they put you in
limitations and tel you, okay, what you can and can't do. Yeah,
but when you focus on having a relationship versus religion,
because what may work for you not work for me.
And I'm always led by God when I'm witnessing to people,
because you never know because what I may say being
(22:09):
a prophet may shift you into a whole nother direction.
And God is trying to teach you patience, but you're
so excited about what I'm telling you that God is
revealing that you're gonna do things to manipulate the situation,
you know what I mean. May say that you're gonna
be an author, right, but the book may not need
(22:31):
to be released. When I wrote that book, I started
on it back in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. I
didn't release it until last year. Wow, So you have
to wait on the timing of God. So he still
took even my book. I pick up my book now
to encourage myself, so to pour back into myself. And
(22:51):
I'm reminded of those different seasons I went through that,
you know, people were pouring into me, even ministries I
were part of, like you gonna be this, you gonna
go all over the world, your voice is gonna travel.
And I'm looking at them like, no, yeah, how can
God use me?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Mm?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
You know, I didn't think God could use me with
the background that I had coming from. You know, I
didn't have this pretty fancy, peaky white fence that they said.
You know, I come being affiliated with gangs, drugs, you know,
being promiscuous, these things. So I knew the streets. I
learned loyalty in the streets. I didn't learn loyalty in
(23:30):
the church. When I got to the church, it was
a trick of the enemy where the spirit of of fence.
I was so offended because I had expectations on them. Yeah,
so I'm very Yeah, it's a real thing. People don't
talk about it. It's a real thing. But I like
to say church hurt, but it My friend, she has
a book calls church hurt.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
But it healed.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
And I read that book and it helped me navigate
through that period of time.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Yeah, and I r even going through that.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I was hurt because I put expectations and I didn't
know who I was. Because when you know who you were,
no matter what people were saying, it doesn't affect you.
And you have to know that they're human too, you know.
And I extend grace. And when you extend grace, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, you don't you look at things differently.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, And I think what's interesting too when we think
about seasons is that they happen over and over again.
It's not just like Okay, you're gonna go through something
and then okay, good, I don't ever have to go
through winter again. Like, No, next year, you're gonna have
another phase. You're gonna have another season in which God
is gonna be working on you through that specific season.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
So I love when I have authors come on because
I like to pick through the book and get their
insight kind of in real times. I'm just gonna put
pick something out of here, okay, and I want you
to kind of expound on it. Okay, go ahead, ooh, okay,
let me see i'm'a p i'm'a p pin that one
right there. Okay, Okay, this is so, it's so kind
(25:09):
of walk me through the concept. Is it kind of
a devotional cause it's kind of laid out by days.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Devotional is intended for you to have a journey, oh,
like a journal to write along when you're hearing God say,
setting goals, finding who you are, no, finding your purpose.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Okay, alright, I'm gonna pick fifteen, since today's at fifteenth day,
fifteen caught of the day. God will give you provision
for the vision He has given you. You are fearfully
and wonderfully made in His image. The world needs you. Yes, Chasminayana,
What are your dreams and aspirations that you are believing
God for?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So with that one. Sometimes with God when you know
it's a vision from God. I remember writing that it
was this big vision like shing me that I was
going to be speaking in front of thousands of people.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And I remember when.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I launched my class, one of my classes I launched
a few years ago, back in twenty twenty two, only
seven people showed.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Up on my zone. So I'm like, God, you show vision.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You showed me in this vision, I was gonna be
speaking in front of these thousands of people, right, only
seven people showed up, Like you're.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Gonna have to help me with this. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
So I just remember praying and just being consistent with
those seven and God began to speak to me. He said,
if you be fr faithful of a few things.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'll make your ruler of me.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And that particular season in my life, those people helped
push me, provided provision for me like never before. So
had I been caught up in the numbers, like it's
only seven people, but those were lifetime connections that you know.
One of 'em she's teaching in college, teaching makeup in college.
(27:08):
The other one is in the beauty industry going all
over I have another one that's a make up artist
now and she's into film make up, going to.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Be a esthetician.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
So all of the other ones are just doing great
things and that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, And I love that. And it just also
continues to speak to the posture of your heart.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
MM.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
You having your non profit organization, Finding Beauty Within, talk
to me about why you started that and what's the
overall I guess big picture with that Oh funny.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I started it because always my house has always been
the house that all the teenagers hang out. Even I
had nanny's that were young, so they all wanna hang
out at my house.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
And I'm like, they always looked up to me.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
So I remember, even before I rededicated my life to
christ I'm like, why.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Do they look up it?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Like I'm this crazy girl, Like why do they? And
they would always ask me for advice. So I always
had a passion and I just tell people, whatever your
purpose is, you've.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Been doing it all alone.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
So my daughter ended up hanging with the wrong crowd
in the m in middle school, and they were the
teachers just like you should come up here and volunteer.
I was like, no, I don't want to work with
these kids. I have a busy schedule. I'm like, I'm busy.
And that next week a boy brought a gun to
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school and put it in my daughter's locker. Wow, And
you could see it on the camera where he asked
her could he put it in a locker? She h
hasn't been exposed to gun, you know, contrary to my background.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
She grew up in the suburbs.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
So he put the gun in a locker, and he
you could see him on camera and and she's like like,
don't know what to say, don't do The school went
on lockdown.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
It was all over the news. Most embarrassing situation.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I had just left the ministry that I was a
part of for almost five like life was life and wow,
like life was life and and they were like the
principal wrote letters when she had her court day, like, no,
she was a ab student, never been in any trouble, never.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Had any issues and Si.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah, and except for having a gun, and except
for having.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
A gun at a locker, never had a background, never been
written up. So all the teachers, they were like protesting.
And I started doing homeschool. So that was the best
decision I ever made in life.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah. I think that's so interesting too.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Him.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
We talked about it a little bit before over the phone,
cause I were a girl.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Moms.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah and so and I think your daughters are eight
years apart, yes, okay, like mine as well, and so
it's just it's interesting the dynamic between mother and daughter. Yes,
I'm learning it from myself now it's my daughter's nine.
How bad dynamic. It's very complicated. It is what advice
did you give to your daughter during that situation and
(30:07):
what do you think maybe you did or didn't do
that led to her not being able to I guess
stick up for herself in that moment, and that well.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I was teaching her how to be like that doormat
that you that we talked about in the beginning, and
just not really pouring into her like I should have
and pouring into other people. You'd be busy with the
rat race of life and your kids are right there.
So l like I was say, like during that time,
I just develop a relationship with her like I never
(30:40):
had and just begin to pour into her, not just
tell her what to do, but just try to relate,
be relatable.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
I learned how to listen.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
M Listening is very important because children will tell you
where they are. Yeah, So just me learning how to
listen and be that that caregiver.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I guess that's soft, Yes, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I'm learning how to be soft with my daughters. I'm
struggling with it because like I'm a woman, and I
know like when you're tryna finest me, like I know
when you're doing something. So I'm like, oh, still trying
to find a balance with like being firm, but also,
like you said, finding that softness that gent don't have
to find.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Us because they have to find their way.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, you may like a lot of times I have
the answer, but I won't tell her to answer.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I'm like, well, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Or when she's she's dating now, I'm like, she tell
me these different little things, and I'm like, so do.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
You like 'em?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
So what do you like about 'em? How do you
know you like 'em? So I may have the answer.
And when they become teenagers, you just let them find
their way long than not out here being crazy or whatever.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Yeah, but just l letting them.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Navigate life and find their way because it's a lot
of kids that don't know how to make decisions. Yeah,
and I was real big on that, you know, entrepreneurship,
learning how to find your way make your own money.
Just like today they went, they cooked her and one
of her friends.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
They love.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Her friend has been staying over for the past week,
and they cook hot wings and row tail dips. So
I'm telling them how to cook it, and they sold
it at school. So just helping them figure out cause entrepreneurship, you.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Know, it helps you find who you are Yup.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
It helps you realize like, wait a minute, it's a
faith journey, right, like when some businesses are.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Six figures, then you have other business I.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Made twenty dollars, Like what's going on? It's just life
and just being encouraged through those seasons.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah. I think something interesting too about your dynamic with
you having a prophetic gift and being able to see
in the spiritual realm uh, with your child, With your children,
you have these aspirations, these hopes, and these dreams of
where you would like to see them go and see
them be successful. When it comes to God showing you
visions to your children, how hard is it for you
(33:02):
to withhold information from them that, like you said, doesn't
kind of like sc skew them to go in a
certain direction? And uh, what does it mean to you
to also be able to see like where God is
going to take them in general?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well, yeah, God, it w That's why the Bible teaches
us we prophesying parts m so God won't reveal things
that I'm not ready for. So walking into prophetic I
just tell people, learn how to manage your emotions, cause
you gonna see a lot of stuff with people I
talk to people all.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Day every day. I know when they're lying, I know
when their heartbeat is.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Off, and I I can see you know, I I see.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
But I don't always let them know.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I just pray mm and people be like, you're smiling
and I'm smiling, and I'm casting it out and I'm
praying while you're talking.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
So I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Allow people to emotions or cause someone can be coming
to you crying and not even sorry, is yea. And
you got to know how to cater, not cater to
the demon, but you got to know how to speak
to that spirit.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I tell people all the time, I don't play with demons.
I cast 'em out.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
If you not ready to get delivered, don't come over here, mm,
don't come over here playing. So just knowing that I
don't tell everyone I have a gift. Even people close
to me don't know unless God reveal it to them.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
So just and how long did it take you to
get comfortable with that gift? Because sometimes that gift caused
you to, like, you know, say things to people that
maybe they're not ready to hear, or that might be
difficult for them to hear. How how long did it
take you to get comfortable with what comes with that gift.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Oh wow, I'm still learning. M I'm still I'm I'm
comfortable with it. So wait, let me back up. I'm
comfortable with it, just learning how to manage my emotions
through it.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
When I have to deliver a message.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I remember once I was sitting on a a board
of a non.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Profit okay, God, don't'na go there.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
And it was a a friend of mine at the time,
none profit, and I had a vision of her.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
She was involved with a girl.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
And we got into a bad fight, and I'm like,
hold on, wait a minute, like, what's going on now?
She was married, so I didn't understand why I seen it.
She was yes, okay, but I seen it. But anyway,
long story is short. I begin to pray when I
see things in vision, I'm like, is this a vision
(35:33):
from God? Or is this a something I'm thinking? Or
is something to me? You have to examine yourself and
walking into prophetic. You have to keep her prere hard.
I tell people all the time. You have to forgive
quickly because if you harbor over anything in your heart,
it could damage which what God is trying to.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Reveal in your life.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Long story short, God gave me scripture and it was
like a false idol and MM all of this stuf.
And I went to my mentor at the time and
I'm like, hey, I just had this vision in the
I don't know and she's like, are you gonna obey God?
Or are you gonna obey man? Long story short, I
(36:15):
told her what I seen and she kind of got
quiet on the phone and I'm like, okay, what.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Is what is this?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
And she was like, well, you can see you're on it.
So we begin. I used to pray and lead the
prayers for the non profit. So we were on a
board meeting, me leading the prayer and everything, and a
conversation of sage came up HM and i'm'a go there,
(36:42):
and I said. I got quiet while they were talking
about it, and they asked me my opinion, what do
I think about it? I said, well, you don't need
sage if you have Jesus, I said, I believe that
I can apply to blood over anything in my life.
And God was shit, if anything, I need him to
shift out and it she got upset and sh I said, well,
(37:07):
here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I said, I love Nilty.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
You know, we cali baby, but I love Niltsey hustle,
but Niltsy burned.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Sage every day.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
But sage, they teach you, is to protect you from
bad and evil spirits. Well, someone with the evil spirit
was able to kill him. So if sage is your protection,
then it should protect you from death.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So when I made that statement, it was like a
uproar long story short, I.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Got kicked off the board. I couldn't imagine. I got
kicked off the board. We no longer need your services
no more. And I was like, I, guy, I love you.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
But me going through that back to how I started
my nonprofit. God had told me to start it, but
I wanted to serve.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I got so.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Caught off in helping other people because I knew how
to build a six figure non profit. I had served
and yeah, you know, been over a coo of a
non profit and just basically went from making twenty dollars
now you getting two hundred fifty thousand dollar grants. So
I n I could build it like the back of
(38:20):
my hand. And God was like, it's time.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
And I'm like, no, it's not time.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, I wanna serve. I wanna help everybody. Yeah, So yeah,
that's wow.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I and I'm interested to know kind of how you
kind of pull everything together, cause obviously you have a
a really strong spiritual foundation. Now you're a mom, but
you're also a business woman. Talk to me about how
you've been able to navigate that space in entrepreneurship and
what has been kind of your biggest takeaway in that's
(38:51):
in that industry.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Well, what's my biggest takeaway is just being God led
at that time. Cause when you are a vision you're
gonna get different ideas and it may work for a
little while, but just going with the shift of things.
So for me, just sitting in the presence of God
(39:13):
when I get this big, bright idea that I wanna
do and just waiting on His timing to launch it.
So I used to have a boutique. I made six
figures with my boutique. I was introduced to direct sales
with One Voice Worldwide, which is I'm a part of
we have a global mall. So when Covid hit, I
(39:36):
no longer had to buy the inventory. It was drop
shipped through One Voice Worldwide, So that was I was
able to save money and make money that way.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
So with me being a part of a direct sales
I'm able to focus on my business.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Without doing the most.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
You have a community of people, So say, for instance,
you wanna have any event, you have these different people
within your network can help you and build and bring
the awareness. And I tell people all the time it's
no competition at the top, it's only collaboration.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
And for people who don't know one voice is in
at this network marketing, yes, how how do you kind
of navigate that space because some people th a it's
just like it puts a bad taste in their mouth
when they hear a network yes how Yeah, they think
about playing these schemes. So how have you been able
to kind of I guess shift that perspective with people
that you interact with.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
My CEO is a black business owner, and I deal
with people based on their heart and if they have integrity.
I know a lot of people even in ministry, but
they don't necessarily have integrity. Yeah, and integrity are is
a big thing. And in network marketing.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
As the CEO he teaches us, it's called whip.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
You know you you gotta have in this uh act
them and I don't have all of them, but I
is integrity, personal perseverance is p They gotta have hunger.
So if those and pretty much wisdom with people, So
if they carry all of these great qualities and working
(41:20):
with them, you.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Can build an empire. And I I've literally seen my CEO.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
He makes three million dollars a month just off one business,
and he coached people all over the world and he
charged ten thousand dollars a session.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
And here it is.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I'm just paying a maintenance fee to just be a
part to have my website launch and I can call
what business do you know where you can call the
CEO on the phone and say, hey, I need help
with this. So just about just collaboration over competition. So
that's what network marketing. Everyone has their own experience of why.
(41:59):
But my why is the empowerment of people. I get
to go speak, I get to travel, and I get
to empower people through my journey. I'm not gonna lie
to you, mm so you y, the business won't work
for you if you don't work it. We have natural
care products we have for me. I work the financial division,
so I help business owners get loans, startup loans, things
(42:24):
in that sort because it aligns with my PR business,
it aligns with what I'm doing on my own so
it's not a conflict of interest.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
I can all collab all of it together.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
So I I've seen you say once or twice on
social media that people try to take you out of
retirement from being a makeup artist. Is that something that
y that was as a season Is that like a
seasonal thing or is it something that like you still
would identify yourself with as being a celebrity makeup artist
(42:55):
among all of the other things that you just said
you do.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I have set clients now, I don't I do. If
I wanted to work in the industry and be on tour, I.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Could do that right now.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
But where God, If it doesn't align with where God
is taking me, I don't accept it. I don't chase
money anymore being a makeup artist. I made six figures
like the back of my hand.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
I still make.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Really good but I enjoyed. I had a six thirty
client this morning, so not getting in his sleep going
to my client.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
But I love her. I love her energy.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
She pours into me and she's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
My one of my celebrity clients.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
But for me, I think God used makeup for ministry
cause he knew that I would not do ministry. I
absolutely did not like speaking. I'm speaking now, I it's God.
But I absolutely did not want to be a minister.
I absolutely didn't wanna be a pro. I didn't want
(43:53):
to speak in nobody life. But through that period of
me doing makeup, God used at at to build my ministry.
So the connections I made was from the different clients
and lifetime partnership was through make up. So I still
do make up. I still teach make up classes, but
now yeah, I choose my clients.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Okay, okay, speaking of choosings. Now with you in this
new space, this new transition after recently being divorced, in
this kind of single space dating space, what would you say, cause,
like you just mentioned becoming a minister and er a
dained minister. Do you think when someone's a minister they
have kind of a different standard of how they live life.
(44:37):
And what kind of standard do you bring or introduced
to someone who might.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Be dating you.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Well, for me, I have boundaries and I have expectations
on what I want.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
I'm not n I'm not the girl. You can't you
got a co I'm Southern. Yes we have to go
on dates.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yes we gotta get to know each other, yes, all
of this other stuff, whereas abstinence is in there too, Yeah,
it should.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Be in there. Yes.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
So for me, just knowing who I am and if
the person that I'm dating.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Don't align with where I'm going, then we won't date.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Mm.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
So now I can tell by.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
A conversation if it's not gonna work. So I don't
believe in wasting my time and I'm not gonna waste
your time.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Mm I love that. Okay. So as we get ready
to close, obviously you have your nonprofit organization. You're continuing
to use your prophetic gift as God you know, gives
it to you. You're speaking to people and speaking life
to people through your business. What would you say, Cause
you said collaboration over competition. As you look forward into
(45:58):
the future, what would you say, it's the biggest way
that you are l are wanting to collaborate with God in.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Life, just basically just knowing that, like I mentioned earlier,
just because someone is a Christian, just because someone is
doing what you're doing, does not mean that it's a
God or Dane collaboration. God may tell you to work
with someone who's a atheist, you know, just so His
(46:26):
will could be done. So for me for collaborating, I
just want to make sure it aligns with God and
his timing. So just listening and waiting on the right
collaborations at the right time, because I get calls all
day and m I'm sure my phone is ringing. Now, Hey,
I have this idea and it's a great idea and
(46:48):
it sounds good and I know it may work. But
if it's gonna take me off the course that I'm on,
I wanna accept it.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Mm. So I love that. Okay.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
And for people who wanna connect with you, who wanna
learn more about what you're doing, who wanna pour into
the organization and just possibly collaborate with you, what is
the best way for people to contact you and reach out?
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Okay, they can contact me at chessmaniiana dot com. Also
on my Instagram I am Chessmanayana. My Facebook chess Maniaiana,
So everything is Chessmaniyana.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Is that your middle name?
Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Oh that's so free, Thank you, thank you. And what's
my other finding beautywithdin dot org. So if you wanna
donate to the organization or donate to the vision, go
to finding beautywin dot work.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, I love that and last question before I close
Finding Beauty Within with the show Finding your Niche. With Niche,
I like to talk to people about how they actually
were able to find that beauty within, to find their
purpose and navigate a space that God has called them
to occupy. At what moment did it all click for you?
You where you realize, Okay, this is this is exactly
(48:02):
who I'm supposed to become.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Last year, when I was going through my transition, just
learning how to heal in that process, I wasn't focused
on getting to know somebody else. I wasn't cause we
weren't together. So I just zeroed in and focused on me.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
So last year was like a light bulb hit like and.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Now you are and now you feel clear about where
it's going. Yakay, Jasmin has found her niche. But thank
you so much for coming on the show. This was
a great conversation. You have such an incredible story that's
gonna continue to uplift and empower and motivate people. And
I just continue to play pr pray God's speed over
your life.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yes, alright til next time.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
Peace,
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