May 18, 2023 • 52 mins
Rarri True takes us on a captivating journey through his rise to success. In this candid conversation, Rarri True opens up about the challenges he faced while carving his path in the music industry. He delves into the importance of maintaining a clean image and the profound impact of social media, sharing his personal experience following a controversial post with Blac Chyna. Through his story, Rarri True demonstrates the resilience needed to overcome setbacks and emerge stronger than ever. My discussion with Rarri True goes beyond the surface as he dives into his distinguished musical approach. He reveals the inspirations behind his standout tracks, the loss of his brother, and how he stays true to his artistic vision amidst the pressures of the rap space. Listeners will gain valuable insights into the artistry and creativity that define Rarri True's music. During the episode, we also engage in a lively and entertaining game based on the titles of Rarri's most popular songs. Tap in as we bring up conversation topics inspired by his chart-topping hits, a unique way to explore the themes and messages behind his music while showcasing Rarri's versatility as an artist. Check out his latest album, "Time to Talk."
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I feel like a lot of peoplereally lost that touch of connection with me.
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Like I'm really not still like that, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm like, y'all, y'all, okay, you know what, y'all
really want to hit it because Iput a filter on my music because I
do believe in when you do music, you're incrementing yourself. I do believe
in people play police games for sure. So but I'm like, oh,
y'all just really want to hear mesay this. Shit. It's times me
to talk like, yeah, I'mgonna get on the time, and y'all
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want me to get on because peopleknow I can get on that type of
time, and I just put aI always trying to keep a clean image,
clean look. Yeah, yeah,yeah. How were you able to
kind of navigate that space of likestill staying true to who you were and
everybody rocking with the version that theyyou know, want a door from you
and rock with you, but likemaintaining how do you do those two things
right? Like you said, likestill honor this one group of people that
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know you for a certain aspect,but at the same time still having this
level of like evolution to I'm gonnabe honest with you. I think that's
one of the hardest parts as anartist, as an independent artist and coming
from the trenches and trying to elevateyour life. It's founding balance that shit
is like the hardest thing ever becausewhen you try to it's like the hood
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may think you too good and thenlike how they respect you know, proper
people in the way they don't reallyrespect them, like oh, he saw
what they did or that, andthen they kind of keep you over there.
But it's like you still got lovefor your genuine hood homies, Like
you know what I'm saying. It'slike so when I was recording the process,
I just really had to sit backand just be like, let me
give them them meat, but givethem enough game. But where I'm going
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and we are back for another dynamicepisode to find your needs for needs,
I'm your girl, niece right now, I sitting next to me. It's
somebody that you know. I don'teven know how to start this. So
I have a lot of really amazingpeople that come on the show. This
is my first like person of thisnature. I really feel like you're kind
of a chameleon. Like when Ithink about you, I don't want to
just put you into one box.But obviously, um, you're in the
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music industry, you're an incredible artist. So y'all, without further ado,
let me welcome Ferrari. True.How are you feeling today, I'm feeling
great. Yeah, I'm feeling great. So I you know, I try
to do some research on you,and you what I learned from doing the
research is you don't do a lotof interviews. So I'm flattered. I
don't really like to talk no more. Why. I don't know. I
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just feel like to give me outthe house. It. Yeah, that's
really the real Like, I don'treally wanting to talk to people because everybody
got their own like perspectible or theyown look on somebody and go off blows.
They go off what they think theyheard who they know to give with
me and know me personally. Idon't even want to talk to people.
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Yeah. Well, one thing thatI think I do know is the production
quality of the music that you putout. I think you know. As
I'm like learning about you, oneof the things that really stuck out to
me was the level of product theproduction, Like you go all in.
You've made just an incredible amount ofinvestments on the actual product, in the
output of it. So let's talka little bit about Rory the artist with
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your music. Talk to me aboutwhen you realize you wanted to start actually
making the investment to have the qualityof work that we see today. I'm
gonna be honest. I feel like, um, I started doing music like
seventeen, right in the two seventeen, I wasn't taking it serious. I
was I had a bunch of likepeople around me, a bunch of fans,
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a bunch of people just investing intomy lifestyle. You know what I'm
saying. I didn't really care toomuch to do music. It got to
the point to where, like Iwant to say, like last year or
pandemic right, well, like itwas like, you know what, like
I really start taking it serious.I felt like I wasn't a good rapper,
a good artist as yet, butI had the lifestyle to match what
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I can really rap about. Yeah. So then after like my music didn't
catch up to my lifestyle, youknow what I'm saying, until I bought
a studio. So I purchased astudio, got a studio condo, and
I locked myself in it for awhole year straight and just learned how to
find my sound, found my niche, you know what thing. Yeah.
Then once I found my sound andI was able to like go through the
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process of learning, it became liketherapy. So I only talked to a
lot of people because I just kindof putty much put my thoughts to my
therapy to my music. Yeah,I think I agree with you. I
think that's one of the other takeawaysthat I got after learning a little bit
about you, is the fact thatyou know the type of music that you
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put out and you put in youryourself into it. It's just like really
wrong. And I feel like,you know you being on this show finding
your niche with niche, I havepeople on the couch who have actually found
their niche. And and and Iwill say, honestly, looking at your
story, looking at your work,it feels like that is exactly what you're
supposed to be doing. And whenI listen to you, it feels like,
oh, yeah, you and youin your bag, like you're in
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your pocket, Like yeah, thatyou need to keep doing that because it
feels like you're tapped in too,like who you're supposed to be locked in.
Yeah, Like it became therapy.So I just once I started like
founding myself and just founding my soundand understanding my pockets, like my homies
gonna be with me, like bronto be at the studio with me,
like I can just going in.I don't write anything. Wow, I
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don't. I don't write nothing.I going there. I found about one
of my home gets for really youdon't write nothing nothing, mymie tell you
like like I'm telling you, likeI don't write nothing. Like going there
and listen to a bee, justasking like, bro, how do you
find what's sounding cadence to put onthe beat? I'm like it just kind
of pretty much speak to I'm like, I get it in whatever mood I'm
in. I kind of find thebeat that matched that mood. Even it's
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a pain beat, aggressive beat,a beat west kind of like mellow.
But you can really talk so peoplecan really understand what you're saying to be
off my days, you know,yeah, off the day and really go
through what I've been through that weekor last week or last month, or
something that's really pierced in my stomach. You know what I'm saying, get
it off and on. I listenedto it and it hit different to me,
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you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I find that would be very
interesting because like the way that youwrap, like you said you're Cadence and
just kind of just how you writethe beat and stuff like that, it
feels like it feels like it's awritten like it feels like very strategic,
very scientific, also slash like anartistic expression. But you're just going there
and go off of what you feel. I got an engineer in mind.
Okay, so it's like and Imajored in computer science. Low key.
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I never told nobody that, butlike okay, yeah, so it's like
my brain just it's gonna seem sharpbecause I'm a Virgo too OCD real clean.
So it was like every thing Ido is pretty much precise, is
calculated. Yeah, are you anAugust Virgo or September virgo? August virgo,
I'm August two. I'm a Leothough I'm twenty year four. First
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day you just missed, Yeah,you just missed. Um. I want
to play like a cool game.Okay, I need my phoney. Um,
so I want to play this gamewhere first of all, like like
almost every song that I listened to, I like thoroughly enjoyed. You can
you can give it to me oncamera. It's fine. Um, every
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song that I listened to I enjoyeda lot. So I'm going to just
go off of some of like thesong titles that you have and ask you
a question based off of the songtitles. All right, okay, so
let me pull that up. Okay, Well, your last album that you
did well that you just dropped thistime to talk? How do you come
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up with an album name? Firstof all, I just feel like having
me to talk. I feel likeI feel like a lot of times,
UM come from where I come from. My background. I'm gonna be honest
with you. I was a littlebit ashamed of that shit, you know
what I'm saying. I was ashamedof my background because I seen my potential.
I knew my potential, I knewI wanted to go. I didn't
really embrace my culture of being ayoung black street look at you know what
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I'm saying, ripping and running withthe homies, Like I always wanted more
and always seen myself more. SoI kind of mimicked in a way,
like I've always ahead of my time. So when I used to go to
like suburban areas used to go likedowntown by myself, Dollo. I started
to duplicate them, and they kindof took me away from like the street
side, Like it took away frommy tough, aggressive side. So people
used to be like, oh,you're a pretty boy, or oh you
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clean, or you're sharp, oryour hand's done, or you moved this
when you talked this way, youknow what I'm saying. But I'm really
the same person and sad and Icould turn into that person. But I
started duplicating and mocking the places Ireally wanted to be. So when Tana
Talk came out, I felt likea lot of people really that touch a
connection with me, Like I'm reallynot still like that, you know what
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I'm saying. So I'm like,y'all, y'all, okay, you know
what, y'all really want to hitit because I put a filter on my
music because I do believe in whenyou do music, you're incrementing yourself.
I do believe in people play policegames for sure. So but I'm like,
oh, y'all just really want tohear me say this. It's time
to me to talk, Like yeah, I'm gonna get on the time and
y'all want me to get on becausepeople know I can get on that type
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of time, and I just puta I always try to keep a clean
image, clean look. Yeah,yeah, yeah. How were you able
to kind of navigate that space oflike still staying true to who you were
and everybody rocking with the version thatthey you know, want the door from
you and rock with you, butlike maintaining how do you do those two
things right? Like you said,like still honor this one group of people
that know you for a certain aspect, but at the same time still having
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this level of like evolution to I'mgonna be honest with you. I think
that's one of the hardest parts asan artist, as an independent artist and
coming from the trenches and trying toelevate your life. It's found and balance
that ship is like the whole hardestthing ever because when you try to it's
like the hood may think you toogood and then like how they respect you
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know, proper people in the waythey don't really respect them like oh he
saw what they that or that.Then they kind of keep you over there.
But it's like you still got lovefor your genuine hood homies, like
you know, what I'm saying.It's like so when I was recording the
process, I just really had tosit back and just be like, let
me give them them me, butgive them enough enough game or where I'm
going, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna still get y'all
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me. I'm still talking about someof the things I've been through because I
feel like some of y'all need tohit this shit for you. Because people
got a lot of questions about me. I noticed this a lot, like
people like how how do you dothis? How you do that? That
wapp into that frame? Or whatisn't that? And I never I'm the
person. I got traumatized behind blogsat one point in time in my life,
So I'm gonna have a person Ionly respond to anything they could say
anything about my I was gonta blogsa week ago. They crucified say crazy
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stuff about me, and I'm like, I don't know where they get it
from, you know what I'm saying, But even if they do get it,
I don't care because I don't respondat all them because that blog should
gets serious, the comments get seriousand people met two help is real?
You know what I'm saying. SoI just stay out to try to find
balance and just vent to the mic. Explain to me what you mean when
you say you got traumatized, Like, what does that look like for you?
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I feel like, let's say theworld. How do you get introduced
to the world? Right? So, I started doing music in twenty seventeen,
early twenty seventeen and like two threesongs until my project, I mean
intil my music alone. Ever Igo viral from dealing with a woman.
Okay, the world know that youknow what I'm saying. It took over
my whole career and put me inlike a reality like life or like a
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whole nother phase or some shit thatI just wasn't ready for. Yeah.
So then as coming from a guywho don't know Instagram for real, coming
from a guy who don't know abouthow to entertainment world is an independent that
it could be overwhelming, Like what'sgoing on? Like now you're just moving
off how people that you think inthe industry is telling you to move a
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little? You know, you're lookinglike a clown instead of just being true
to yourself and who you is.Because I'm coming from the streets, I
didn't know all this shape I ain'tknow none of that Ship was like real.
You know, I've seen it,you know what I'm saying, to
follow it, But I'm not thinkingone day I'm gonna be on that joint.
I'm just like ship. One dayI'm gonna be a big rapple.
I'm gonna get gonna be a getmoney nigga. You know what I'm saying.
And then when it hit me,it hit me, and it it
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swarmed over. Yeah, and thenI started seeing all these comments and all
these people saying all this crazy andstuff. But you just gotta block that
shit out because people is evil inthe world is evil. And if you
don't really like know how to putthe curtains up, it's like you'll be
You've been a route awaken. Therea lot of artists and people who got
big fan bases are some of themost stressful traumatized people. Hell yeah,
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that's a real thing. What wouldyou say from all of that? What's
your biggest takeaway, biggest lesson learned? Um, my biggest lesson learned when
it came down to that situation.Um, honestly, I just keep my
mouth closed, you know what I'msaying, Like I feel like at one
point in time, right, likeI see it too much only because I
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was coached by something, you knowwhat I'm saying. But I should have
just been me the whole time.Me would have just been like, player,
this is a normal thing. Womenis a normal thing. Yeah,
it's a normal thing. I shouldjust kept agangst and just kept moving and
then it would have converted to somethingmore lucrative instead of me having to work
super super super hard, you knowwhat I'm saying. And like I said,
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of course, my fashion, mylifestyle was way in front of who
I actually was at the moment.I'm saying, like I didn't know how
to rap for real at that time. I didn't have the politics and relationships
and resources that I had at thattime where I can really call a take
this down a do this or dothis a you know. Now, I
got those relationships back then. Ihad those type of relationships. It was
just was That's what it was.You just out there in the world and
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the wilderness. But however, Kama, you are making some noise now in
a different way, which I willcommend you on that. Like I said,
the music is incredible. I loveyour sound. I love what you're
talking about and how you said you'vebeen able to kind of put that filter
on it. Okay, So I'mgonna ask I'm gonna name some of the
titles of songs and then ask youquestions based off of the titles. Okay,
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Okay, so let's do I'm actuallytoring. I'mnna tell you about my
favorite song so far. I likemaking toast, but I also like role
model. Okay, okay, solet's start a role model who for you
has been the biggest role model inyour life, maybe personally and musically personally.
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I'm gonna give it to my olderbrother, Jay Carter, because he
he do engineer, you know whatI'm saying. He in computer software,
in tech. He got an engineeringbrand. Other brother Rome, his best
friend. They've always been around me, but I was always like in the
streets doing other little stuff, youknow what I'm saying. But like they
always kept me business savvy. Likewithout them, I probably wouldn't be is
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like successful as I am now becausethey be as in Savva. They just
got that culture. They do projectmanagement over huge companies with millions of dollars.
So it helped me see how tooperate a system and become a CEO,
so I say them. And thenof course like jay Z not really
on the musical side, like Ilistened to his music. I love his
music, but like more on alife coach side, being like so I
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run one nation, jay Z isrock nation as you can see, you
know what I'm saying. And thenlike jay Z got to clean a look,
hands scruffy, crazy looking clean thelook. You know what I'm saying.
He was more of what he soldhis music as a product, and
I'm selling my music as a product. But on the back end all his
other products was really made him amocalYah, So I kind of study that
blueprint, like because everybody could beto be in the camera all day,
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loan all forever, you know whatI'm saying, Like your music on lu
Wayne was one of the hardest artiststo me ever in the world. Same
me and my brother just had thisconversation neither night my brother came over for
the snkle to my own. Hewas telling me, like people keep sleeping
on Wayne, but like Wayne washuge, would you say Wayne is top
ten? Top ten for me?For sure? Really for sure lyricist for
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sure, bar of a bar,like he put that that urging you to
have punchlines. You know what I'msaying a lot of people just rapping.
He was punchline like, how youthinking you'll go back to a song full
times? Is still ain't called on? Right? So there was big influences
on my life with Jay Truly Tupactruly podcast Park was a real one.
Um, he spoke from his heart, you know what I'm saying. So
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that's how I speak, and um, a couple of business mobiles. Yeah,
but do you have what would yousay is the greatest verse of all
time? The greatest verse to mefrom myself or somebody else, somebody else?
M M, I feel like it'sgoing from pop For me, I'm
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going I'm from Cali, so I'ma little buy No, I think Wayne
got see you think Wayne still?Wayne? To Wayne? Was Wayne?
And how you a random motherfucker tripping? Have you met him before? No?
I I both our last named CarterWow and jay Z last named Carter
destined. That's I know, it'scrazy. I just thought of that.
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That just straight up. Thanks.So you do you think Wayne has the
greatest verson of all time? OrDrake? How do you feeling about Drake?
Because some people like sleep on Drake. But I was like, you
can't deny like Drake is Drake.There's nobody like Drake undeniable even if somebody's
writing for him, matter, itdon't matter, it's still it's still hard.
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That's the goal, see people,That's what I feel like. Right
in the industry, people try,they weigh so many times to like pull
a person down. What's the pointof being the best artist in the world
if you can't have people come inand give input, like you think you're
gonna be able to run a companylike you gotta look at the music business
like a company. Yeah, yeah, he's the product. He's the Lebron
James right. So at the endof the day, Lebron James won't be
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Lebron James without his point guards,without his shoeguards about his sinners. Lebron
James won't be Lebron James without himspending five men on his body for his
health coach. Lebron James won't beLebron James or without you know, like
you see I'm saying. So Drakeis a Lebron James with all those tools,
no matter if they're writer's code likeit wouldn't matter. Like that's how
you become number one. You gottahave people around you that can like take
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you from this point to this point. Oh you know what, you shouldn't
say that say this bring my lifeinto yours. That's another like every like
because he didn't do the same thing. You gotta you gotta sharpened people.
You gotta sharpen your team up,sharp me your product up. Especially like
if this is your product and y'allmaking beings of dollars and millions of dollars,
why not having as sharp as possible. Yeah, people are like,
oh, he got a writer.So what you listen period? Like so
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what? I love that? Okay, I'm picking another song. No ego.
When was the most recent time thatyou had to keep your ego in
check? Every day? Every day? Yeah? Yeah, in what sense?
Give me an example. And Ijust had a situation like two days
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ago, Like I feel like,because I'm a real person at the end
of the day, people really takeadvantage of how big I can really go
on people. You know what I'msaying, Like, I let people love
and deal with me for me asa real person. It's like DJ or
Djari RAI. You know what I'msaying, like when I go to Rabi,
I can always convert them, belike, look me, and you're
not on the same level. Youknow what I'm saying plenty of times,
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but I don't do that to peopleI genuinely bring into my circle, you
know what I'm saying. But likeI want to say, one time,
you know how to rap game isyou'll be like you kind of don't DM
people first. You kind of like, yeah, don't you don't want to
make it seem like you're chasing somebodyor you introduced like it's a weird as
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it's weird. You know what I'msaying, Like, you DM a person
now they looking at it, theysee it, they seen it. You
see your DM like I see myDM. We all see our dams.
I don't give a how many followersyou got. I have four hundred some
thousand followers right now, and Iget a million DM for real, Like
I can show you proof. Iget probably fifty sixty dams a day,
and I still at the end ofthe day when I got a little downtown
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go and just pop through check likeokay, and some things be worthy,
some things don't be but people seethem being especially we got blue chip.
Well I don't know, it's alittle crazy over the blue check marks,
but like, just think about it, people see them dmy. So it's
like one time I was afraid toDM this um this this venture capitalist guy.
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He from Atlanta, well he fromChicago to Atlanta. I was I
wasn't afraid. I'm just like,man, I ain't got time, you
know what I'm saying to be demon fucking they get the I'm like,
you know what, I'm put myego to the side and reach out because
it's a bigger vision and it's abigger goals that I'm trying to accomplish.
And I felt like I actually methim through him find hunting right, and
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then I did some research them myown came like, yeah, he fits
the portfolio what I'm trying to doin the next two years on someone I'm
trying to build the next two yearsand I'm speaking two years from not I
mean twenty twenty. Yeah, SoI was like, I need to connect
with him because he understand a piecethat I hadn't learned yet. So let
me dam and I damned him.We get locked in, got each other
number. Then we talked and thenI actually told him, I'm gonna be
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honest with you man, like Iwas a little bit you know in my
bag, like I ain't really wantto dim them. He like, yeah,
man, you stuck in black Hollywood, in that world he kept against
It was like he kept He crushedmy chest immediately like he like, listen,
that's not how true true business manoperate. Like they reach out,
they they linked in, They doall these things that y'all don't do because
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that egos in a way. Andthat's when it hit me, like I
need to if I got potential andI'm smart enough, people will listen,
you know what I'm saying, especiallyif you're talking about something that that really
whole value opportunity. You never knowwho give your opportunity a kid can walk
ahead and be a whole new inventionor something. You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, so you do be beopen manner to an opportunity and listening.
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And so because you have a lot, like you said at the top
of the interview, you have alot of business accuen like you understand,
it's just in a different facet forpeople who may not know what that means.
Venture capital can you explain that justthe person listen, you're get into
this kind of listen. Just peoplewho see ventures and they add capitalists make
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a real simple some people who havemoney basically that can help you get to
the next You put your ego asideand decided to reach out to that person,
and they put you on game.So now what are you gonna Are
you gonna do anything differently since yougot that information I actually got, I'm
gonna be honest with you, backto that new ego right. The reason
I made that song is because inChicago or my immediate friend group, I
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felt like everybody and I ain't tryingto dis my punishan. I just felt
like everybody was trying to be numberone and a lot of people don't have
number one. Potentially they think theydo, but then when you get in
that position, you realize how hardthat shit really is. And like they
all got egos like prime example,like if I'm the brand, I'm the
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face and I got the most followingon the most baggage. Why are y'all
y'all not protecting the product of Yes, people, I ain't gonna do that
or they think they're too good andit's like, bro, like, your
camp will never be great. Yourcamp will fall on y'all dicks I'm telling
about if they're not write you knowwhat I'm saying, too many, too
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many. It's like you got torealize that's not the way the government work.
The chain to come in, thearmy work. Everybody had footsoldiers,
everybody have generals, every you knowwhat I'm saying. So people don't understand
that everybody had egos. So Iwas like wishing all my niggas ain't have
egos, you know what I'm saying, Like, I really wish they didn't
have egos because we'll be way furtherthan where we are today. And I
think that's big, like what you'resaying, because a lot of people don't
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realize that there's also a lot ofpower and being number two for sure.
So like you just mentioned, likethe whole circle or draking everything, like
the people that are number two tough, straight, straight, they have to
deal with the politics to comment tonone of that exactly, And there's a
lot of power being being number twofor sure. Okay, so let's see.
Let me do another woman, don'ttalk to me. Yeah, um,
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keep telling you. I'm getting furtherand further not speaking. I'm mad.
I gotta like, you know,I gotta give it. I gotta
let it out. So I choosemusic how I let it out. Yeah,
I want to go sit on anotherleatherless couch. If you talked to
some crazy woman about my problems,No, you don't talk to me.
They don't don't talk to me.I don't want to hear nothing. Okay,
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talk to me about a time whereyou were kind of in a dark
place and you felt like, Idon't want to talk to anybody. Man,
I'd be in dark spaces. I'dbe a dark spaces because I'd be
having a lot of ship going on. In the real world. Niggas be
trying, niggas, money be comingup, but they'd be females blogs,
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this politics, who you ain't doingwhat for a family, just be a
lot. You know what I'm saying, being that I ain't made it people
in they mind think I really feelif you scroll on Instagram, you made
it. I mean from where Icome from for sure. Okay, but
like that's what I'm saying, Likepeople got limits like that to me is
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not I'm like fifteen percent in Yeah, in my world, Well, I'm
trying to go, Yeah, that'sextraction and service. That's I promise you.
I'm not even like I'm happy,Like if you think big big,
that's so when you see that.Because I always ask this question to people,
because I always find it fascinating,like, you know, if somebody
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were to imagine themselves like at thetop of their success or the peak of
their success. A lot of peoplesay they don't celebrate their achievements. To
me, like what you've been ableto do, it's a big achievement.
Do you not consider your current successas an achievement since you feel like you're
just now getting started in a wayin a way, but like no,
I just I'm home, gree youknow what I'm saying, Like I got
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a large appetite, so I gottaunderstand and accept the large plates and foods
that come with this appetite. I'msaying, like to me personally, while
I see myself in the next tenyears, like it's life changing. Yeah,
like it's going to change the worldin a way. Like I'm on
that type of time. But Idon't study Elon must and jay Z and
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all these people and bezos and putthese people through my Instagram slides for nothing
like I don't. I'm a realmanifestation type of person. If you look
on my Instagram, you scroll backto like the last last, you will
see some of the Jeff Bezos,some of the Elon Musk jay Z's tupacs.
Because this all I'm learning and preachingto now, Like, I don't
even want to see nothing else.I don't want to talk to nobody else.
If you're not on this right here, I'm tunnel vision. I'm just
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locked in over locked down right now. That's all. So how do you?
How do you quiet the noise?Because it's a lot of noise,
like you said in it, likepeople hitting you you on Instagram, like
I would say maybe forty percent ofyour Instagram the thumbnails at least deal with
you having money, So of coursepeople gonna be hitting you for that.
Yeah, don't believe Instagram A Cap'mcap cap. I got no money from
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polls. Shit compared to compare towhat I'm trying to go, I got
nothing. I can't change the people'slives I really want to change right now.
Like, don't get me wrong,I feel like I can change them.
Okay, but you don't have tobe currency. You know what I'm
saying, Like, that's the firstthat's the first goal to people think that's
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that's the problem. You know whatI'm saying, Like we gotta really like
if we're really talking, like wegotta really sit that understanding shit. Like
I feel like I got successful ina way off a small amount of money,
but a large amount of information,you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Like a lot of people think it'sthe money that's gonna make me.
Like, it's not the money,it's the information. Information all the time.
And I think, um, likewhat you're saying about that the information.
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I think one of the biggest waysthat you can become evolved and then
you can change is also your levelof exposure. So kind of like how
you were saying, you know,going and visiting like the suburb areas,
Like when you just have another levelof exposure, it changes you and it
opens it gives you more information,no excuses. I was talking to one
of my billionaire friends like five daysago, I think, and they told
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me something that stuck with me socrazy that it changed the way I even
looked at the trenches. He toldme, he said, he said,
you know how the trenches are alwaysbe the trenches, and poverty always be
poverty. I said, why,he said, because there's a lazy person
born every day, he said,the trenches. He say, think about
this, right, look at allyour stories. Look at all y'all.
He kept against with him, Hesaid, look at all. He was
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Asian, He said, look atall y'all Black people. Look at all
y'all stories. They all kind ofgotta cliche each other. I came from
nothing. I came from nothing.That's what we say. We came from
nothing. We made something. AndI said, that's true, that's a
real thing. He said, Butyou know what's the difference between your story
and their story and the people whoare still in the trenches. He said,
you decided to get up, Hesaid, lazy people who state is
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going to forever be poverty because it'salways gonna be a person that don't want
to over commit. The people whoreally won't it don't get out the trenches.
So it's not like, yeah,you did come from nothing, you
came from No, you just camefrom a Lazyes, environment, poverty is
not poverty for real, it's laziness, pure laziness. Because if people really
wanted to get up and change,they'll do it. So they're good with
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well fare. They're good with linkcards, they're good with I mean EBT.
They're good with waiting the taxes comeand go crazy. They're good with
child They're good with that because theydon't want to get up and use their
feet and their legs to go pursuetheir dreams, you know what I'm saying.
And that's where they hit me,like damn. Yeah, Like we
always come about saving poverty. Youcan't save a lazy person. They're gonna
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drown you. It's crazy. I'mserious, billion of knowledge, you know
what I'm saying. When you gotthat type of friend group around you,
and then you can go into povertyand you can go into the trenches and
talk to the same guys, andthen they talk to you like everything you're
hearing it, I think mouth beexcuses. Yeah you can't. You kind
of distance like them because now theyfeel like you don't even have a heartphone
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no more. But it's not thecases. It's like I'm a logical person
already, and then I've been aroundpeople who think logically two nine, and
it's like, m damn, Ican't really handle that fu with that no
more. That's kind of space I'vebeen in a lady. Yeah, I
think for you after getting that information, Like, what would you say was
the biggest challenge for you to overcomethat mindset? That lazy mindset? Did
you ever have that? Nah?You ain't never been lazy. I've never
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been lazy. I've never been Wheredid that come from? I mean my
father was in the streets and mymom was in the streets. They fast
money people, they give money,like my father get money and my mam
wa get money. So like thatwas always always had a hustle in me,
ambition in me, grinding me.Yeah, I'm to my real street
shit, you know what I'm saying. And then like on top of that,
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like I don't know, I justI always wanted the best things in
life, and I knew that Iwasn't gonna be my family was't gonna be
able to give it to me.So I'm like, no, I gotta
get out hand by any means,you know what I'm saying. But I
don't know more. I lived bymore some principles and got to a point
to where like I actually learned howto make money. And then it was
like, all right, I'm gonnado it this way, and do it
this way. I still go throughtrial and troublations. I still go through
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times where like, damn, Ijust spent some crazy amount of money and
I'm like, it'll black hold onmy own. I can't. I can't
be broke, you know what I'msaying. Like, but I do realize
though, the things I spend mymoney on now, it's completely different than
how I used to spend my money, you know what I'm saying. Like,
let's say I spend two hundred thousandor one hundred some thousand dollars on
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like a development or a property orsomething, feel broke, I'd be back,
like I might have to go backto the streets. But then like
having that type of information that Ipaid for my next bad come around,
on my next load, come aroundon my next investors or whatever we're doing
and my team own partners. Butif I build come around, that should
be bonuses. Yeah, and thenthat's what bout my watches, all bout
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my shows and my cars and clothes, and have me a little time while
I go on Instagram and through mythings. Yeah, And I think that's
actually like you can actually speak tothat because I think that's powerful because when
people get a bag, you know, they think like this is it They
yeah, but they don't really realizethe importance of like reinvesting. Oh can
you talk about that? That's numberone. Like if your money not going
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right back into the chain of command, it's never your money. Like I
truly believe, like you supposed to, Like they say, when you find
actially free, you supposed to liveoff the interests for real, you know
what I'm saying, Like when youdeal with banks, you deal with all
these corporations, all these CD accounts, trust accounts, all these things,
like these are people who live offinterests of their money sitting because they made
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so much money, you know whatI'm saying. And then we as people
try to keep up with people wholive in for free for real. Like,
but it could get fake in between. You can see little loopoles,
but it's like you gotta be ableto see the whole pi Like, yo,
you gotta be able to see thewhole picture. Yeah. I think
it's interesting life right when people thinkabout like you know, if I just
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think about people's relationship with money,it's tricky because I don't know, it
just gets real steaky because it canchange you. M Yeah, I just
think that it just don't change theperson to change everybody. It changed the
whole stigma of the whole situation.Like when people get money if you don't
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have I think I say this onmy life like some months ago, like
we come from poverty, you knowwhat I'm saying. Eighty percent of us
come from real life poverty for real. So like we don't have financial education.
That's like rule one, Like wedon't have financial education, and then
we don't really never finish any schoolyep. So like even when you try
to go into college, ship someonewho try, they barely finish, you
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know what I'm saying. Or theygo into business or the simplest shit just
to say they got a degree,you know what I'm saying. Like,
we don't really get into that complexof thinking. And I think that,
um, when it comes down tomoney, we were chasing the high that
we are never reached. Yeah,you're chasing a real high when trying to
that fake seeing is believing I gottashow more so I can receive more.
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That's a cool little process too,That's cool. I've been through that process.
But like then you start seeing billionairesand it's not even that. I
just keep screaming this. I'm justlike I've been seeing it. Yeah,
like oh, playing T shirt onno logos, not this, you know
what I'm saying, But no logos, Church still the same amount. It's
like you know, but they valuelike their watches, yea, they value
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their boats, they value their homesand that's what that's what you want to
be on. Yeah, I'm gettingto that. Like right now, I'm
still in like the black Hollywood marketwhere I still have to sail to get
to a certain level of finance andI can convert. Everybody got their time
frame like I've seen when Jay waslike, yo, don't be in a
rush stoke career, Like let ithappen. If it's gonna, if it's
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met for it's gonna happen. Youcan have ten years of bad look and
one year everything changed, you knowwhat I'm saying. So I believe in
it, Like stop rushing the process, Like if I used to rush the
process Ferrari, like that's my name, Like I used to rush like get
money fast, blow money fast,live life fasts, get chicks the whole.
Now like you know, and nowI feel like because I'm getting older
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and I'm just realizing how fast moneycan leave your hand too, yep,
like, hold on, nah,we gotta we gotta figure this shit out,
right. This can't just be I'mgonna get another bag tomorrow like you're
gonna go blow. I watched strippersdo it all the time. I think,
um, one of the other coolthings about your your music and what
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you're talking about, you know,when you when I think about you talking
about money, I think and affectingthe people around you. One of the
other songs that you have as friendsand foes for sure? Can you talk
to me about or tell me aboutthat aspect of learning? You know,
what is your definition? I wouldask of a true friend, what are
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some of the bullets that you wouldbe like, Okay, this is somebody
who a true friend of me?Is he gonna feel like my fucking enemy
because he gonna push me so hard? Nah? For real? Right?
Okay, wait, no, thisis good, okay, so okay,
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so explain, Like a friend ofme, it's a person who constantly criticizes
me, who constantly pushes me,who constantly told me to get up,
who constantly make me go do whatI say I'm gonna do. Who constantly
hold me accountable? You know whatI'm saying, Like all that friends,
shit, you just a yes Manadadoll. We're going to party. We're
gonna fuck this bag off and hitthese girls and do out Like that's cool.
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That's an acquaintance, a friend,and somebody like you say you want
to be this person, be thatperson at all times. You know what
I'm saying, Be that person atall times. Like I need my friends
to be hardcore against is, like, don't tolerate nothing, Like we almost
got a beef and bump heads.Not for real, Like I want my
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friends we gotta be in each otherface, mugging each other life. Yeah,
that's a real friend of me.Like I feel like that's my true
friend. You ain't no hater ifyou're saying something that logically makes sense for
me to be great. You knowwhat I'm saying. Like if you know
I'm gonna slip up or I'm gonnacrash out of something, you know what
I'm saying. You know I'm reallylike that, Yeah, stop me in
my process. That's a true friend. Like, nah, blood, you
know what you're gonna do, right, and really to make me sit out
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and think about like man I wasfeeling. You know what I'm saying them
true friends. I'm true friends.Yeah, I think that's dope. But
the thing that I would want toknow and that I would be curious about,
is how receptive are you to that? Like it's one thing to say
you want that, but then whenit comes and somebody does try to check
your check you or keep you inline, Like how we're smart enough to
understand body language, characteristics and thepeople I'm around at this point because if
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the friend, if I was tohang around a friend and was to want
that, I give that off too. So at then day it's going to
mirror you know what I'm saying.I'm that person who's gonna push my partners
to do the most. Yeah,Like all my friends hate me. I
notice, I'm serious. I thinkeighty percent of my friends that I grow
with do not like me for real. They hate me like and I but
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I know the core of them lovesme, and I think if anything is
that having me everybody be heartbroken youknow sounds some real shit, But like
I think they hate me, it'swho I am. Like, bro,
he just too much he pushed ustoo hard. He get into it with
us. He's a perfectionist. He'syeah, my god, you know all
that, Like they say all thatabout me, and I'm just like,
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my bad, Like, I'm sorry. If the goals that I want to
reach, I have to realize thattoo, Like some of the goals that
I want to reach and some ofthe things that I want to do in
life, other people don't see themselvesgoing that far and you can't force them.
That was one of my biggest Ithat shit broke my heart several times
to notice I lost some of myfriends the clubhouse, Like, I lost
some of my friends the politics,and they just don't see themselves going that
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fine, like and I used tofight them, like, bro, why
you can't just like, bro,no, that's what you want to do.
And I'm like, bro, youdon't. We all come from the
same ship, so you wouldn't wantto get this far. Some people don't
want to get that far for real. So you just gotta like learn to
live with and that's the breaking pointthat you like them, I really got
to disconnect. That's crazy, thelove in the friendship, because this is
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fifteen twenty years of friends pampas,crawl and fight, stelling bikes whole man
like to the point where it's likeI can't even talk to you. Ye,
is a heartbreaking situation. I'd havehad that plenty of to ask.
I had to let people go thatI thought it was gonna be that forever.
You know what I'm saying. Soit's a gift and the curse.
Yeah, speaking of a gift,what would you say has been your favorite
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part of your journey? So farm? What musically or just being a just
an entrepreneur, mobil like an entrepreneur. Yeah, musically as an independent person.
Yea, um my gift my favoritepart. I just think being able
to process it for real, beingable to process all the shit that I'm
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going through, everything that I seearound myself, Like I guts to learn
how to handle my temper, gotto learn how to say no one needed,
being able to love properly, notbe used, Like, learn how
to really facilitate that shit because whenyou they say, when you successful,
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it gets lonely at the top.I think it's a real thing. I
do believe in that, But Idon't think that people leave the person.
I think the person leave the peoplebecause you be heartbroken in so many different
ways, Like you can't trust,you can't love properly. Everybody is pulling
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you. Like when you're at thevery top, it's only one way you
can go, and that's down.When you at the bottom, on the
way you can go us up.So I feel like people that be at
the top like to be solo becausethey anything can change the system any given
moment. So I feel like mybiggest gift of my lifestyle, of who
I am as a person today islearning how to process things at a fast
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rapid rate. Yeah. Like,well I'm almost light years ahead of people,
like I can see what they're tryingto do already. But then like
sometimes I do get calling the costsfire by loving somebody or loving people like
I'm gonna take this chance for evenI know it in a good chance or
know it in a good situation,I'm still gonna do it. And I've
done it and been crossed out andthen for the crash out and I have
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to get back in my banks.They don't trip. God gonna bless me
in a different way. Yeah,yeah, it happened just like that.
Um, speaking of loving hard,do you see yourself being like in a
monogamous like long term relationship. M. Yeah, maybe I'm like forty.
So what ten years? How areyou thirty something? Twenty nine? You'll
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be thirty this year. Ye'll betweenthis year this year. Wow, So
you can see it, it's inyour future. Yeah. Yeah, But
my chick got to be strong ashell, Like she gotta be strong,
strong as in like she got totolerate. What what do you mean,
like just mental Like I need somebodywho can really help dissect everything. Like
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I'm a real nerd, but likeI'm a real person at the same time,
aggressive and I'm everything they probably sayI am. Yeah, probably is
a loose cannon. I don't know. But at the same time, I
need my woman to be able tosee the signals, see the signs and
be able to help, like yourcalm, be that flow, be like
water, that's whatever, whatever itis, whatever it is. Yeah,
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I love that. Okay, Soyou just said you were a nerd.
I want to ask you too,what what are some things about you that
people may be surprised to know?Um, I think I read like books
every month? Really, yeah forsure. Yeah, what's the last book
you read? And what did youtake away from it. Man, I
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read so many books, I'm gonnabe a band. I probably read about
four or five books a month.I try to read a book a week.
Damn. Yeah, I didn't reada lot of books, and I
gained a lot of knowledge from itbecause when they said, if you want
to have something from putting the book, that's just real, you know what
I'm saying. So I don't know. I just read once a week and
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I try to really be my Sundaysdays, like you know what I'm saying.
Oh yeah, sit down and readRich Dad. Poor Dad was one
of the books that I just gotfell in love with, like you know,
the common normal books. But Ithink lately I've been stuck on this
um this Bible literature series called Zohar, Yeah, the Zoar or something like
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that. I think that's what itis. What are they talking about.
It's basically like the book is rolledbackwards. It's chapters and it's different books.
It's almost like the Bible in away, like Jesus and stuff Jerusalem
way, but it's written backwards,so it tells you how it would end
it and then you gotta ready anda way where you can figure out why
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that even happened, it's real,like no, yeah, I'm just reading
that. Yeah. I was readinga book like that actually, where it's
like the Bible but it's like madeinto like a novel. Yeah. So
but it gives you like that,it gives you the story in chronological order,
like how things actually like kind oflike how to Koran. It's like
it's it's a It's like I'm realspiritual too, So I just really pay
attention stuff like that, and likelike I said, rich that Poor Dad
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Physis forty A Laws of Powers itYeah. Um. Which other book I
just read, I think like acouple of weeks ago, oh the um
the documentary on the McDonald's real estatethat Okay, Yeah, I was reading
that and I watched it on Netflix. It was kind of like it was
kind of like it seemed like itwas a little different in the book.
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Ye. On Netflix it cleaned itup a little bit. But I found
gold in that. But I foundgold a ton of value. A on
the value just to see like howyou would think that you something because of
what people label you, ask andyou a whole another entity. Yeah,
Like you may think a person arapper the whole time he might be a
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therapist, you know what I'm saying, Like you just never really because people
live through music, ye, emotionsand things hit differently, you know what
I'm saying. You can probably connectto a person's life style. That's why
people great game fans, because peoplelike I like what that person I can
relate to them, you know.Yeah. So I don't know, It's
just it's just crazy how complex anddiversity can get. Okay, So what
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I'm interested to know just like acouple of little more aspects to who you
are, like your personality. Sowhat makes you laugh? Um, I
don't know. I'm a I'm aI'm a serious person on a low So
you don't laugh. I do laughbecause everybody laugh, laughing laugh. But
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like I think my kids made melaugh. Yeah, yeah, my son's
made me laugh the funniest. Mydaughter's hilarious to me. I feel like
she's like the funniest person on theplane. Yeah, my kids maybe laughing.
Kids are funny. You're creative too. You just it bugs you out
to see him grow, you knowwhat I'm saying, and talk to him,
and I get to see my kidsevery hand now, So like when
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I see him and I talk tohim, I'm so busy the new stuff
that they learned, Like one amatter of fact, this was last week.
I'm riding through Peace three, meand my son here in the front
seat, and I never put himin the front seat. He five,
I never, don't, don't,don't, don't do this at home.
I put him in the front seat, right, and he put a seat
belt on. We're listening, we'rekicking, and he liked off the role
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model song. I had a skimask on the orange from right. Oh
yeah. He obsessed with this mask, like my I mean obsessed. So
he keeps saying, Dad, Dad, I want to get the masks.
Want to get the mask with getthe mask. So we go to Lennox
Small. I bammed the mask.He's super super, super hyped. So
on the way back, I'm like, look, I balue you a pair
of shoes every week, every Friday, and I'll get your new mask for
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the next to the rest of theyear. If you can read every sign
from this point all the way toget to the house. It blew my
man. Five. No, no, when I say it blew my man,
it blew my man Like I wasim. I'm gonna be honest with
you. I was kind of happyand like amazed, Yeah, come like
them, this is my son.Like I was kind of fanned out on
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my son, like we right,I'm like, what's that? What's this?
What's this? What's that? What? Street sounds that he was really
pronouncing him And even on the streetlightswe would drive past it, you would
be a glimp. I know hedidn't get he got it, yeah,
And it just it tripped me out, like yo, like damn, my
son could really read that good,Like he's a burgle like me. So
I know he's intelligent, but it'slike it just tripped me out. Yeah.
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So that made me laugh super hardbecause I told his mom like,
yo, yo, he could readlike this, yeah, yeah, saying
words that I almost had you knowwhat I'm saying. So that made me
laugh. I love that talking crowdwith my partners. People be thinking of
somebody they're not And she made melaugh. Do you have a moment where
it just felt like total bliss?It was like, man, I wish
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I could always stay in this momentright here for the rest of my life.
Nah. Not yet, nah,Like I do have moments while yeah
in a way, but never likeforever I do really enjoy certain moments,
like real happy, loud, energeticmoments, like certain people I love.
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But I just think it always gotto do it like love for real,
Like you know what I'm saying.If you're around people you love and you
know it's lit, Yeah, don'tyou wish you could just take all the
people you really really really love,Yeah, like that, and then them
long conversations with old friends and you'retrying to catch up and you're doing so
great and they're not really doing asgreat, but you still got faith in
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hoping them. Those be the momentsI black man, I wish I could
just change the world and culture soI can really bring them. And it's
like it's not real. You gottaconstantly go back to like, man,
that's not real. It's not areal thing, right, you know it's
not real? Right, Yeah,you can't. You can't save a million
people like Mike can in a differentway, but you can't personally go touch
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and save a million people like youdon't have to do it in a way
where it can. It's outreach,social media's and inventions and stuff like that.
Anybody that you lost that you wishcould see you today, for sure.
Oh man, my little brother wassure Keith right for sure? Every
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day every day. That's a realtouchy subject. What is it that is
like exactly that you were? Like, man, I wish you could see
this particular aspect of who I am. I just missed my boy, like
you know what I'm saying, Ijust missed my shorty like I'm missing them,
I'm missing the death like I can'teven like I don't know death is
real. We all know that,like that's gonna happen to everybody. But
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like when somebody leave who you justlike love on condition like that that in
your mind and your world never donenothing wrong. I don't know. It
just hit different when you when younever seen a person to do bad,
Like you know what I'm saying,Yeah, leave my little brother, some
of my best friends, but mainlymy little brother. Like losing a little
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brother living longer than your little brother, It's like is a traumatizing thing for
real, Like yeah, yeah,I wish I could see him every day.
And it's been times I thought I'dseen him in my crib in the
kitchen and I'm chasing his ass likereally, yeah, I'm not afraid of
No, definitely ghost that shit.Man, if I think I imagine I've
seen my little brother in the cornersomewhere in the house, I'm not hadding
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no way, I'm trying to comecome kick it. You think you can
get visitation from after like, hellyeah, I hope I do. Hell
yeah if if if I can't vegetationfrom a to like sit down there,
come have a drink with me.Yeah, I'm not afraid of my demons.
I'm not afraid of nothing like noneof that, because I shit,
I don't know. I feel likeI've absorbed it, Like I don't know
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if my little brother can be andwhatever. Ain't you for them whatever I
have to like form and to comesit on the couch for me, I
will sit there. I would giveeverything up just to chill with him the
whole time and get drunk as illand last do whatever like you I'm saying.
Yeah, it's a real thing.Yeah all right. So as we
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get ready to close, UM,I want to ask you what do you
do music for? Um? Ido music for the underdogs, for the
entrepreneurs, for the for the peoplewho ain't got label deals yet major label.
I mean, I do music formy own therapy. People that can
relate to me as a person,people who it's been misled, misguided.
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I do music for the people wholike, for the fans who think they
know when they don't really know people'slifestyles, and to tell my story for
real. And there's only so muchmore that we can open up too.
Yes, I'm here for RORI thankyou so much for sitting with me.
I learned a lot from you.This conversation was amazing. I'm so proud
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of you what you've already been ableto accomplish and uh yeah we yep yeah piece
I feel like a lot of peoplereally lost that touch of connection with me.
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Like I'm really not still like that, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm like, y'all, y'all, okay, you know what, y'all
really want to hit it because Iput a filter on my music because I
do believe in when you do music, you're incrementing yourself. I do believe
in people play police games for sure. So but I'm like, oh,
y'all just really want to hear mesay this. Shit. It's times me
to talk like, yeah, I'mgonna get on the time, and y'all
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want me to get on because peopleknow I can get on that type of
time, and I just put aI always trying to keep a clean image,
clean look. Yeah, yeah,yeah. How were you able to
kind of navigate that space of likestill staying true to who you were and
everybody rocking with the version that theyyou know, want a door from you
and rock with you, but likemaintaining how do you do those two things
right? Like you said, likestill honor this one group of people that
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know you for a certain aspect,but at the same time still having this
level of like evolution to I'm gonnabe honest with you. I think that's
one of the hardest parts as anartist, as an independent artist and coming
from the trenches and trying to elevateyour life. It's founding balance that shit
is like the hardest thing ever becausewhen you try to it's like the hood
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may think you too good and thenlike how they respect you know, proper
people in the way they don't reallyrespect them, like oh, he saw
what they did or that, andthen they kind of keep you over there.
But it's like you still got lovefor your genuine hood homies, Like
you know what I'm saying. It'slike so when I was recording the process,
I just really had to sit backand just be like, let me
give them them meat, but givethem enough game. But where I'm going
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and we are back for another dynamicepisode to find your needs for needs,
I'm your girl, niece right now, I sitting next to me. It's
somebody that you know. I don'teven know how to start this. So
I have a lot of really amazingpeople that come on the show. This
is my first like person of thisnature. I really feel like you're kind
of a chameleon. Like when Ithink about you, I don't want to
just put you into one box.But obviously, um, you're in the
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music industry, you're an incredible artist. So y'all, without further ado,
let me welcome Ferrari. True.How are you feeling today, I'm feeling
great. Yeah, I'm feeling great. So I you know, I try
to do some research on you,and you what I learned from doing the
research is you don't do a lotof interviews. So I'm flattered. I
don't really like to talk no more. Why. I don't know. I
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just feel like to give me outthe house. It. Yeah, that's
really the real Like, I don'treally wanting to talk to people because everybody
got their own like perspectible or theyown look on somebody and go off blows.
They go off what they think theyheard who they know to give with
me and know me personally. Idon't even want to talk to people.
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Yeah. Well, one thing thatI think I do know is the production
quality of the music that you putout. I think you know. As
I'm like learning about you, oneof the things that really stuck out to
me was the level of product theproduction, Like you go all in.
You've made just an incredible amount ofinvestments on the actual product, in the
output of it. So let's talka little bit about Rory the artist with
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your music. Talk to me aboutwhen you realize you wanted to start actually
making the investment to have the qualityof work that we see today. I'm
gonna be honest. I feel like, um, I started doing music like
seventeen, right in the two seventeen, I wasn't taking it serious. I
was I had a bunch of likepeople around me, a bunch of fans,
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a bunch of people just investing intomy lifestyle. You know what I'm
saying. I didn't really care toomuch to do music. It got to
the point to where, like Iwant to say, like last year or
pandemic right, well, like itwas like, you know what, like
I really start taking it serious.I felt like I wasn't a good rapper,
a good artist as yet, butI had the lifestyle to match what
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I can really rap about. Yeah. So then after like my music didn't
catch up to my lifestyle, youknow what I'm saying, until I bought
a studio. So I purchased astudio, got a studio condo, and
I locked myself in it for awhole year straight and just learned how to
find my sound, found my niche, you know what thing. Yeah.
Then once I found my sound andI was able to like go through the
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process of learning, it became liketherapy. So I only talked to a
lot of people because I just kindof putty much put my thoughts to my
therapy to my music. Yeah,I think I agree with you. I
think that's one of the other takeawaysthat I got after learning a little bit
about you, is the fact thatyou know the type of music that you
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put out and you put in youryourself into it. It's just like really
wrong. And I feel like,you know you being on this show finding
your niche with niche, I havepeople on the couch who have actually found
their niche. And and and Iwill say, honestly, looking at your
story, looking at your work,it feels like that is exactly what you're
supposed to be doing. And whenI listen to you, it feels like,
oh, yeah, you and youin your bag, like you're in
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your pocket, Like yeah, thatyou need to keep doing that because it
feels like you're tapped in too,like who you're supposed to be locked in.
Yeah, Like it became therapy.So I just once I started like
founding myself and just founding my soundand understanding my pockets, like my homies
gonna be with me, like bronto be at the studio with me,
like I can just going in.I don't write anything. Wow, I
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don't. I don't write nothing.I going there. I found about one
of my home gets for really youdon't write nothing nothing, mymie tell you
like like I'm telling you, likeI don't write nothing. Like going there
and listen to a bee, justasking like, bro, how do you
find what's sounding cadence to put onthe beat? I'm like it just kind
of pretty much speak to I'm like, I get it in whatever mood I'm
in. I kind of find thebeat that matched that mood. Even it's
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a pain beat, aggressive beat,a beat west kind of like mellow.
But you can really talk so peoplecan really understand what you're saying to be
off my days, you know,yeah, off the day and really go
through what I've been through that weekor last week or last month, or
something that's really pierced in my stomach. You know what I'm saying, get
it off and on. I listenedto it and it hit different to me,
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you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I find that would be very
interesting because like the way that youwrap, like you said you're Cadence and
just kind of just how you writethe beat and stuff like that, it
feels like it feels like it's awritten like it feels like very strategic,
very scientific, also slash like anartistic expression. But you're just going there
and go off of what you feel. I got an engineer in mind.
Okay, so it's like and Imajored in computer science. Low key.
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I never told nobody that, butlike okay, yeah, so it's like
my brain just it's gonna seem sharpbecause I'm a Virgo too OCD real clean.
So it was like every thing Ido is pretty much precise, is
calculated. Yeah, are you anAugust Virgo or September virgo? August virgo,
I'm August two. I'm a Leothough I'm twenty year four. First
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day you just missed, Yeah,you just missed. Um. I want
to play like a cool game.Okay, I need my phoney. Um,
so I want to play this gamewhere first of all, like like
almost every song that I listened to, I like thoroughly enjoyed. You can
you can give it to me oncamera. It's fine. Um, every
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song that I listened to I enjoyeda lot. So I'm going to just
go off of some of like thesong titles that you have and ask you
a question based off of the songtitles. All right, okay, so
let me pull that up. Okay, Well, your last album that you
did well that you just dropped thistime to talk? How do you come
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up with an album name? Firstof all, I just feel like having
me to talk. I feel likeI feel like a lot of times,
UM come from where I come from. My background. I'm gonna be honest
with you. I was a littlebit ashamed of that shit, you know
what I'm saying. I was ashamedof my background because I seen my potential.
I knew my potential, I knewI wanted to go. I didn't
really embrace my culture of being ayoung black street look at you know what
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I'm saying, ripping and running withthe homies, Like I always wanted more
and always seen myself more. SoI kind of mimicked in a way,
like I've always ahead of my time. So when I used to go to
like suburban areas used to go likedowntown by myself, Dollo. I started
to duplicate them, and they kindof took me away from like the street
side, Like it took away frommy tough, aggressive side. So people
used to be like, oh,you're a pretty boy, or oh you
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clean, or you're sharp, oryour hand's done, or you moved this
when you talked this way, youknow what I'm saying. But I'm really
the same person and sad and Icould turn into that person. But I
started duplicating and mocking the places Ireally wanted to be. So when Tana
Talk came out, I felt likea lot of people really that touch a
connection with me, Like I'm reallynot still like that, you know what
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I'm saying. So I'm like,y'all, y'all, okay, you know
what, y'all really want to hitit because I put a filter on my
music because I do believe in whenyou do music, you're incrementing yourself.
I do believe in people play policegames for sure. So but I'm like,
oh, y'all just really want tohear me say this. It's time
to me to talk, Like yeah, I'm gonna get on the time and
y'all want me to get on becausepeople know I can get on that type
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of time, and I just puta I always try to keep a clean
image, clean look. Yeah,yeah, yeah. How were you able
to kind of navigate that space oflike still staying true to who you were
and everybody rocking with the version thatthey you know, want the door from
you and rock with you, butlike maintaining how do you do those two
things right? Like you said,like still honor this one group of people
that know you for a certain aspect, but at the same time still having
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this level of like evolution to I'mgonna be honest with you. I think
that's one of the hardest parts asan artist, as an independent artist and
coming from the trenches and trying toelevate your life. It's found and balance
that ship is like the whole hardestthing ever because when you try to it's
like the hood may think you toogood and then like how they respect you
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know, proper people in the waythey don't really respect them like oh he
saw what they that or that.Then they kind of keep you over there.
But it's like you still got lovefor your genuine hood homies, like
you know, what I'm saying.It's like so when I was recording the
process, I just really had tosit back and just be like, let
me give them them me, butgive them enough enough game or where I'm
going, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna still get y'all
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me. I'm still talking about someof the things I've been through because I
feel like some of y'all need tohit this shit for you. Because people
got a lot of questions about me. I noticed this a lot, like
people like how how do you dothis? How you do that? That
wapp into that frame? Or whatisn't that? And I never I'm the
person. I got traumatized behind blogsat one point in time in my life,
So I'm gonna have a person Ionly respond to anything they could say
anything about my I was gonta blogsa week ago. They crucified say crazy
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stuff about me, and I'm like, I don't know where they get it
from, you know what I'm saying, But even if they do get it,
I don't care because I don't respondat all them because that blog should
gets serious, the comments get seriousand people met two help is real?
You know what I'm saying. SoI just stay out to try to find
balance and just vent to the mic. Explain to me what you mean when
you say you got traumatized, Like, what does that look like for you?
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I feel like, let's say theworld. How do you get introduced
to the world? Right? So, I started doing music in twenty seventeen,
early twenty seventeen and like two threesongs until my project, I mean
intil my music alone. Ever Igo viral from dealing with a woman.
Okay, the world know that youknow what I'm saying. It took over
my whole career and put me inlike a reality like life or like a
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whole nother phase or some shit thatI just wasn't ready for. Yeah.
So then as coming from a guywho don't know Instagram for real, coming
from a guy who don't know abouthow to entertainment world is an independent that
it could be overwhelming, Like what'sgoing on? Like now you're just moving
off how people that you think inthe industry is telling you to move a
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little? You know, you're lookinglike a clown instead of just being true
to yourself and who you is.Because I'm coming from the streets, I
didn't know all this shape I ain'tknow none of that Ship was like real.
You know, I've seen it,you know what I'm saying, to
follow it, But I'm not thinkingone day I'm gonna be on that joint.
I'm just like ship. One dayI'm gonna be a big rapple.
I'm gonna get gonna be a getmoney nigga. You know what I'm saying.
And then when it hit me,it hit me, and it it
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swarmed over. Yeah, and thenI started seeing all these comments and all
these people saying all this crazy andstuff. But you just gotta block that
shit out because people is evil inthe world is evil. And if you
don't really like know how to putthe curtains up, it's like you'll be
You've been a route awaken. Therea lot of artists and people who got
big fan bases are some of themost stressful traumatized people. Hell yeah,
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that's a real thing. What wouldyou say from all of that? What's
your biggest takeaway, biggest lesson learned? Um, my biggest lesson learned when
it came down to that situation.Um, honestly, I just keep my
mouth closed, you know what I'msaying, Like I feel like at one
point in time, right, likeI see it too much only because I
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was coached by something, you knowwhat I'm saying. But I should have
just been me the whole time.Me would have just been like, player,
this is a normal thing. Womenis a normal thing. Yeah,
it's a normal thing. I shouldjust kept agangst and just kept moving and
then it would have converted to somethingmore lucrative instead of me having to work
super super super hard, you knowwhat I'm saying. And like I said,
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of course, my fashion, mylifestyle was way in front of who
I actually was at the moment.I'm saying, like I didn't know how
to rap for real at that time. I didn't have the politics and relationships
and resources that I had at thattime where I can really call a take
this down a do this or dothis a you know. Now, I
got those relationships back then. Ihad those type of relationships. It was
just was That's what it was.You just out there in the world and
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the wilderness. But however, Kama, you are making some noise now in
a different way, which I willcommend you on that. Like I said,
the music is incredible. I loveyour sound. I love what you're
talking about and how you said you'vebeen able to kind of put that filter
on it. Okay, So I'mgonna ask I'm gonna name some of the
titles of songs and then ask youquestions based off of the titles. Okay,
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Okay, so let's do I'm actuallytoring. I'mnna tell you about my
favorite song so far. I likemaking toast, but I also like role
model. Okay, okay, solet's start a role model who for you
has been the biggest role model inyour life, maybe personally and musically personally.
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I'm gonna give it to my olderbrother, Jay Carter, because he
he do engineer, you know whatI'm saying. He in computer software,
in tech. He got an engineeringbrand. Other brother Rome, his best
friend. They've always been around me, but I was always like in the
streets doing other little stuff, youknow what I'm saying. But like they
always kept me business savvy. Likewithout them, I probably wouldn't be is
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like successful as I am now becausethey be as in Savva. They just
got that culture. They do projectmanagement over huge companies with millions of dollars.
So it helped me see how tooperate a system and become a CEO,
so I say them. And thenof course like jay Z not really
on the musical side, like Ilistened to his music. I love his
music, but like more on alife coach side, being like so I
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run one nation, jay Z isrock nation as you can see, you
know what I'm saying. And thenlike jay Z got to clean a look,
hands scruffy, crazy looking clean thelook. You know what I'm saying.
He was more of what he soldhis music as a product, and
I'm selling my music as a product. But on the back end all his
other products was really made him amocalYah, So I kind of study that
blueprint, like because everybody could beto be in the camera all day,
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loan all forever, you know whatI'm saying, Like your music on lu
Wayne was one of the hardest artiststo me ever in the world. Same
me and my brother just had thisconversation neither night my brother came over for
the snkle to my own. Hewas telling me, like people keep sleeping
on Wayne, but like Wayne washuge, would you say Wayne is top
ten? Top ten for me?For sure? Really for sure lyricist for
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sure, bar of a bar,like he put that that urging you to
have punchlines. You know what I'msaying a lot of people just rapping.
He was punchline like, how youthinking you'll go back to a song full
times? Is still ain't called on? Right? So there was big influences
on my life with Jay Truly Tupactruly podcast Park was a real one.
Um, he spoke from his heart, you know what I'm saying. So
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that's how I speak, and um, a couple of business mobiles. Yeah,
but do you have what would yousay is the greatest verse of all
time? The greatest verse to mefrom myself or somebody else, somebody else?
M M, I feel like it'sgoing from pop For me, I'm
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going I'm from Cali, so I'ma little buy No, I think Wayne
got see you think Wayne still?Wayne? To Wayne? Was Wayne?
And how you a random motherfucker tripping? Have you met him before? No?
I I both our last named CarterWow and jay Z last named Carter
destined. That's I know, it'scrazy. I just thought of that.
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That just straight up. Thanks.So you do you think Wayne has the
greatest verson of all time? OrDrake? How do you feeling about Drake?
Because some people like sleep on Drake. But I was like, you
can't deny like Drake is Drake.There's nobody like Drake undeniable even if somebody's
writing for him, matter, itdon't matter, it's still it's still hard.
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That's the goal, see people,That's what I feel like. Right
in the industry, people try,they weigh so many times to like pull
a person down. What's the pointof being the best artist in the world
if you can't have people come inand give input, like you think you're
gonna be able to run a companylike you gotta look at the music business
like a company. Yeah, yeah, he's the product. He's the Lebron
James right. So at the endof the day, Lebron James won't be
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Lebron James without his point guards,without his shoeguards about his sinners. Lebron
James won't be Lebron James without himspending five men on his body for his
health coach. Lebron James won't beLebron James or without you know, like
you see I'm saying. So Drakeis a Lebron James with all those tools,
no matter if they're writer's code likeit wouldn't matter. Like that's how
you become number one. You gottahave people around you that can like take
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you from this point to this point. Oh you know what, you shouldn't
say that say this bring my lifeinto yours. That's another like every like
because he didn't do the same thing. You gotta you gotta sharpened people.
You gotta sharpen your team up,sharp me your product up. Especially like
if this is your product and y'allmaking beings of dollars and millions of dollars,
why not having as sharp as possible. Yeah, people are like,
oh, he got a writer.So what you listen period? Like so
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what? I love that? Okay, I'm picking another song. No ego.
When was the most recent time thatyou had to keep your ego in
check? Every day? Every day? Yeah? Yeah, in what sense?
Give me an example. And Ijust had a situation like two days
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ago, Like I feel like,because I'm a real person at the end
of the day, people really takeadvantage of how big I can really go
on people. You know what I'msaying, Like, I let people love
and deal with me for me asa real person. It's like DJ or
Djari RAI. You know what I'msaying, like when I go to Rabi,
I can always convert them, belike, look me, and you're
not on the same level. Youknow what I'm saying plenty of times,
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but I don't do that to peopleI genuinely bring into my circle, you
know what I'm saying. But likeI want to say, one time,
you know how to rap game isyou'll be like you kind of don't DM
people first. You kind of like, yeah, don't you don't want to
make it seem like you're chasing somebodyor you introduced like it's a weird as
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it's weird. You know what I'msaying, Like, you DM a person
now they looking at it, theysee it, they seen it. You
see your DM like I see myDM. We all see our dams.
I don't give a how many followersyou got. I have four hundred some
thousand followers right now, and Iget a million DM for real, Like
I can show you proof. Iget probably fifty sixty dams a day,
and I still at the end ofthe day when I got a little downtown
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go and just pop through check likeokay, and some things be worthy,
some things don't be but people seethem being especially we got blue chip.
Well I don't know, it's alittle crazy over the blue check marks,
but like, just think about it, people see them dmy. So it's
like one time I was afraid toDM this um this this venture capitalist guy.
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He from Atlanta, well he fromChicago to Atlanta. I was I
wasn't afraid. I'm just like,man, I ain't got time, you
know what I'm saying to be demon fucking they get the I'm like,
you know what, I'm put myego to the side and reach out because
it's a bigger vision and it's abigger goals that I'm trying to accomplish.
And I felt like I actually methim through him find hunting right, and
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then I did some research them myown came like, yeah, he fits
the portfolio what I'm trying to doin the next two years on someone I'm
trying to build the next two yearsand I'm speaking two years from not I
mean twenty twenty. Yeah, SoI was like, I need to connect
with him because he understand a piecethat I hadn't learned yet. So let
me dam and I damned him.We get locked in, got each other
number. Then we talked and thenI actually told him, I'm gonna be
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honest with you man, like Iwas a little bit you know in my
bag, like I ain't really wantto dim them. He like, yeah,
man, you stuck in black Hollywood, in that world he kept against
It was like he kept He crushedmy chest immediately like he like, listen,
that's not how true true business manoperate. Like they reach out,
they they linked in, They doall these things that y'all don't do because
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that egos in a way. Andthat's when it hit me, like I
need to if I got potential andI'm smart enough, people will listen,
you know what I'm saying, especiallyif you're talking about something that that really
whole value opportunity. You never knowwho give your opportunity a kid can walk
ahead and be a whole new inventionor something. You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, so you do be beopen manner to an opportunity and listening.
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And so because you have a lot, like you said at the top
of the interview, you have alot of business accuen like you understand,
it's just in a different facet forpeople who may not know what that means.
Venture capital can you explain that justthe person listen, you're get into
this kind of listen. Just peoplewho see ventures and they add capitalists make
(22:17):
a real simple some people who havemoney basically that can help you get to
the next You put your ego asideand decided to reach out to that person,
and they put you on game.So now what are you gonna Are
you gonna do anything differently since yougot that information I actually got, I'm
gonna be honest with you, backto that new ego right. The reason
I made that song is because inChicago or my immediate friend group, I
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felt like everybody and I ain't tryingto dis my punishan. I just felt
like everybody was trying to be numberone and a lot of people don't have
number one. Potentially they think theydo, but then when you get in
that position, you realize how hardthat shit really is. And like they
all got egos like prime example,like if I'm the brand, I'm the
(23:06):
face and I got the most followingon the most baggage. Why are y'all
y'all not protecting the product of Yes, people, I ain't gonna do that
or they think they're too good andit's like, bro, like, your
camp will never be great. Yourcamp will fall on y'all dicks I'm telling
about if they're not write you knowwhat I'm saying, too many, too
(23:26):
many. It's like you got torealize that's not the way the government work.
The chain to come in, thearmy work. Everybody had footsoldiers,
everybody have generals, every you knowwhat I'm saying. So people don't understand
that everybody had egos. So Iwas like wishing all my niggas ain't have
egos, you know what I'm saying, Like, I really wish they didn't
have egos because we'll be way furtherthan where we are today. And I
think that's big, like what you'resaying, because a lot of people don't
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realize that there's also a lot ofpower and being number two for sure.
So like you just mentioned, likethe whole circle or draking everything, like
the people that are number two tough, straight, straight, they have to
deal with the politics to comment tonone of that exactly, And there's a
lot of power being being number twofor sure. Okay, so let's see.
Let me do another woman, don'ttalk to me. Yeah, um,
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keep telling you. I'm getting furtherand further not speaking. I'm mad.
I gotta like, you know,I gotta give it. I gotta
let it out. So I choosemusic how I let it out. Yeah,
I want to go sit on anotherleatherless couch. If you talked to
some crazy woman about my problems,No, you don't talk to me.
They don't don't talk to me.I don't want to hear nothing. Okay,
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talk to me about a time whereyou were kind of in a dark
place and you felt like, Idon't want to talk to anybody. Man,
I'd be in dark spaces. I'dbe a dark spaces because I'd be
having a lot of ship going on. In the real world. Niggas be
trying, niggas, money be comingup, but they'd be females blogs,
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this politics, who you ain't doingwhat for a family, just be a
lot. You know what I'm saying, being that I ain't made it people
in they mind think I really feelif you scroll on Instagram, you made
it. I mean from where Icome from for sure. Okay, but
like that's what I'm saying, Likepeople got limits like that to me is
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not I'm like fifteen percent in Yeah, in my world, Well, I'm
trying to go, Yeah, that'sextraction and service. That's I promise you.
I'm not even like I'm happy,Like if you think big big,
that's so when you see that.Because I always ask this question to people,
because I always find it fascinating,like, you know, if somebody
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were to imagine themselves like at thetop of their success or the peak of
their success. A lot of peoplesay they don't celebrate their achievements. To
me, like what you've been ableto do, it's a big achievement.
Do you not consider your current successas an achievement since you feel like you're
just now getting started in a wayin a way, but like no,
I just I'm home, gree youknow what I'm saying, Like I got
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a large appetite, so I gottaunderstand and accept the large plates and foods
that come with this appetite. I'msaying, like to me personally, while
I see myself in the next tenyears, like it's life changing. Yeah,
like it's going to change the worldin a way. Like I'm on
that type of time. But Idon't study Elon must and jay Z and
(26:22):
all these people and bezos and putthese people through my Instagram slides for nothing
like I don't. I'm a realmanifestation type of person. If you look
on my Instagram, you scroll backto like the last last, you will
see some of the Jeff Bezos,some of the Elon Musk jay Z's tupacs.
Because this all I'm learning and preachingto now, Like, I don't
even want to see nothing else.I don't want to talk to nobody else.
If you're not on this right here, I'm tunnel vision. I'm just
(26:44):
locked in over locked down right now. That's all. So how do you?
How do you quiet the noise?Because it's a lot of noise,
like you said in it, likepeople hitting you you on Instagram, like
I would say maybe forty percent ofyour Instagram the thumbnails at least deal with
you having money, So of coursepeople gonna be hitting you for that.
Yeah, don't believe Instagram A Cap'mcap cap. I got no money from
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polls. Shit compared to compare towhat I'm trying to go, I got
nothing. I can't change the people'slives I really want to change right now.
Like, don't get me wrong,I feel like I can change them.
Okay, but you don't have tobe currency. You know what I'm
saying, Like, that's the firstthat's the first goal to people think that's
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that's the problem. You know whatI'm saying, Like we gotta really like
if we're really talking, like wegotta really sit that understanding shit. Like
I feel like I got successful ina way off a small amount of money,
but a large amount of information,you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Like a lot of people think it'sthe money that's gonna make me.
Like, it's not the money,it's the information. Information all the time.
And I think, um, likewhat you're saying about that the information.
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I think one of the biggest waysthat you can become evolved and then
you can change is also your levelof exposure. So kind of like how
you were saying, you know,going and visiting like the suburb areas,
Like when you just have another levelof exposure, it changes you and it
opens it gives you more information,no excuses. I was talking to one
of my billionaire friends like five daysago, I think, and they told
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me something that stuck with me socrazy that it changed the way I even
looked at the trenches. He toldme, he said, he said,
you know how the trenches are alwaysbe the trenches, and poverty always be
poverty. I said, why,he said, because there's a lazy person
born every day, he said,the trenches. He say, think about
this, right, look at allyour stories. Look at all y'all.
He kept against with him, Hesaid, look at all. He was
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Asian, He said, look atall y'all Black people. Look at all
y'all stories. They all kind ofgotta cliche each other. I came from
nothing. I came from nothing.That's what we say. We came from
nothing. We made something. AndI said, that's true, that's a
real thing. He said, Butyou know what's the difference between your story
and their story and the people whoare still in the trenches. He said,
you decided to get up, Hesaid, lazy people who state is
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going to forever be poverty because it'salways gonna be a person that don't want
to over commit. The people whoreally won't it don't get out the trenches.
So it's not like, yeah,you did come from nothing, you
came from No, you just camefrom a Lazyes, environment, poverty is
not poverty for real, it's laziness, pure laziness. Because if people really
wanted to get up and change,they'll do it. So they're good with
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well fare. They're good with linkcards, they're good with I mean EBT.
They're good with waiting the taxes comeand go crazy. They're good with
child They're good with that because theydon't want to get up and use their
feet and their legs to go pursuetheir dreams, you know what I'm saying.
And that's where they hit me,like damn. Yeah, Like we
always come about saving poverty. Youcan't save a lazy person. They're gonna
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drown you. It's crazy. I'mserious, billion of knowledge, you know
what I'm saying. When you gotthat type of friend group around you,
and then you can go into povertyand you can go into the trenches and
talk to the same guys, andthen they talk to you like everything you're
hearing it, I think mouth beexcuses. Yeah you can't. You kind
of distance like them because now theyfeel like you don't even have a heartphone
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no more. But it's not thecases. It's like I'm a logical person
already, and then I've been aroundpeople who think logically two nine, and
it's like, m damn, Ican't really handle that fu with that no
more. That's kind of space I'vebeen in a lady. Yeah, I
think for you after getting that information, Like, what would you say was
the biggest challenge for you to overcomethat mindset? That lazy mindset? Did
you ever have that? Nah?You ain't never been lazy. I've never
(30:30):
been lazy. I've never been Wheredid that come from? I mean my
father was in the streets and mymom was in the streets. They fast
money people, they give money,like my father get money and my mam
wa get money. So like thatwas always always had a hustle in me,
ambition in me, grinding me.Yeah, I'm to my real street
shit, you know what I'm saying. And then like on top of that,
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like I don't know, I justI always wanted the best things in
life, and I knew that Iwasn't gonna be my family was't gonna be
able to give it to me.So I'm like, no, I gotta
get out hand by any means,you know what I'm saying. But I
don't know more. I lived bymore some principles and got to a point
to where like I actually learned howto make money. And then it was
like, all right, I'm gonnado it this way, and do it
this way. I still go throughtrial and troublations. I still go through
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times where like, damn, Ijust spent some crazy amount of money and
I'm like, it'll black hold onmy own. I can't. I can't
be broke, you know what I'msaying. Like, but I do realize
though, the things I spend mymoney on now, it's completely different than
how I used to spend my money, you know what I'm saying. Like,
let's say I spend two hundred thousandor one hundred some thousand dollars on
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like a development or a property orsomething, feel broke, I'd be back,
like I might have to go backto the streets. But then like
having that type of information that Ipaid for my next bad come around,
on my next load, come aroundon my next investors or whatever we're doing
and my team own partners. Butif I build come around, that should
be bonuses. Yeah, and thenthat's what bout my watches, all bout
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my shows and my cars and clothes, and have me a little time while
I go on Instagram and through mythings. Yeah, And I think that's
actually like you can actually speak tothat because I think that's powerful because when
people get a bag, you know, they think like this is it They
yeah, but they don't really realizethe importance of like reinvesting. Oh can
you talk about that? That's numberone. Like if your money not going
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right back into the chain of command, it's never your money. Like I
truly believe, like you supposed to, Like they say, when you find
actially free, you supposed to liveoff the interests for real, you know
what I'm saying, Like when youdeal with banks, you deal with all
these corporations, all these CD accounts, trust accounts, all these things,
like these are people who live offinterests of their money sitting because they made
(32:45):
so much money, you know whatI'm saying. And then we as people
try to keep up with people wholive in for free for real. Like,
but it could get fake in between. You can see little loopoles,
but it's like you gotta be ableto see the whole pi Like, yo,
you gotta be able to see thewhole picture. Yeah. I think
it's interesting life right when people thinkabout like you know, if I just
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think about people's relationship with money,it's tricky because I don't know, it
just gets real steaky because it canchange you. M Yeah, I just
think that it just don't change theperson to change everybody. It changed the
whole stigma of the whole situation.Like when people get money if you don't
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have I think I say this onmy life like some months ago, like
we come from poverty, you knowwhat I'm saying. Eighty percent of us
come from real life poverty for real. So like we don't have financial education.
That's like rule one, Like wedon't have financial education, and then
we don't really never finish any schoolyep. So like even when you try
to go into college, ship someonewho try, they barely finish, you
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know what I'm saying. Or theygo into business or the simplest shit just
to say they got a degree,you know what I'm saying. Like,
we don't really get into that complexof thinking. And I think that,
um, when it comes down tomoney, we were chasing the high that
we are never reached. Yeah,you're chasing a real high when trying to
that fake seeing is believing I gottashow more so I can receive more.
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That's a cool little process too,That's cool. I've been through that process.
But like then you start seeing billionairesand it's not even that. I
just keep screaming this. I'm justlike I've been seeing it. Yeah,
like oh, playing T shirt onno logos, not this, you know
what I'm saying, But no logos, Church still the same amount. It's
like you know, but they valuelike their watches, yea, they value
(34:37):
their boats, they value their homesand that's what that's what you want to
be on. Yeah, I'm gettingto that. Like right now, I'm
still in like the black Hollywood marketwhere I still have to sail to get
to a certain level of finance andI can convert. Everybody got their time
frame like I've seen when Jay waslike, yo, don't be in a
rush stoke career, Like let ithappen. If it's gonna, if it's
(34:58):
met for it's gonna happen. Youcan have ten years of bad look and
one year everything changed, you knowwhat I'm saying. So I believe in
it, Like stop rushing the process, Like if I used to rush the
process Ferrari, like that's my name, Like I used to rush like get
money fast, blow money fast,live life fasts, get chicks the whole.
Now like you know, and nowI feel like because I'm getting older
(35:19):
and I'm just realizing how fast moneycan leave your hand too, yep,
like, hold on, nah,we gotta we gotta figure this shit out,
right. This can't just be I'mgonna get another bag tomorrow like you're
gonna go blow. I watched strippersdo it all the time. I think,
um, one of the other coolthings about your your music and what
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you're talking about, you know,when you when I think about you talking
about money, I think and affectingthe people around you. One of the
other songs that you have as friendsand foes for sure? Can you talk
to me about or tell me aboutthat aspect of learning? You know,
what is your definition? I wouldask of a true friend, what are
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some of the bullets that you wouldbe like, Okay, this is somebody
who a true friend of me?Is he gonna feel like my fucking enemy
because he gonna push me so hard? Nah? For real? Right?
Okay, wait, no, thisis good, okay, so okay,
(36:21):
so explain, Like a friend ofme, it's a person who constantly criticizes
me, who constantly pushes me,who constantly told me to get up,
who constantly make me go do whatI say I'm gonna do. Who constantly
hold me accountable? You know whatI'm saying, Like all that friends,
shit, you just a yes Manadadoll. We're going to party. We're
gonna fuck this bag off and hitthese girls and do out Like that's cool.
(36:44):
That's an acquaintance, a friend,and somebody like you say you want
to be this person, be thatperson at all times. You know what
I'm saying, Be that person atall times. Like I need my friends
to be hardcore against is, like, don't tolerate nothing, Like we almost
got a beef and bump heads.Not for real, Like I want my
(37:04):
friends we gotta be in each otherface, mugging each other life. Yeah,
that's a real friend of me.Like I feel like that's my true
friend. You ain't no hater ifyou're saying something that logically makes sense for
me to be great. You knowwhat I'm saying. Like if you know
I'm gonna slip up or I'm gonnacrash out of something, you know what
I'm saying. You know I'm reallylike that, Yeah, stop me in
my process. That's a true friend. Like, nah, blood, you
know what you're gonna do, right, and really to make me sit out
(37:27):
and think about like man I wasfeeling. You know what I'm saying them
true friends. I'm true friends.Yeah, I think that's dope. But
the thing that I would want toknow and that I would be curious about,
is how receptive are you to that? Like it's one thing to say
you want that, but then whenit comes and somebody does try to check
your check you or keep you inline, Like how we're smart enough to
understand body language, characteristics and thepeople I'm around at this point because if
(37:52):
the friend, if I was tohang around a friend and was to want
that, I give that off too. So at then day it's going to
mirror you know what I'm saying.I'm that person who's gonna push my partners
to do the most. Yeah,Like all my friends hate me. I
notice, I'm serious. I thinkeighty percent of my friends that I grow
with do not like me for real. They hate me like and I but
(38:14):
I know the core of them lovesme, and I think if anything is
that having me everybody be heartbroken youknow sounds some real shit, But like
I think they hate me, it'swho I am. Like, bro,
he just too much he pushed ustoo hard. He get into it with
us. He's a perfectionist. He'syeah, my god, you know all
that, Like they say all thatabout me, and I'm just like,
(38:36):
my bad, Like, I'm sorry. If the goals that I want to
reach, I have to realize thattoo, Like some of the goals that
I want to reach and some ofthe things that I want to do in
life, other people don't see themselvesgoing that far and you can't force them.
That was one of my biggest Ithat shit broke my heart several times
to notice I lost some of myfriends the clubhouse, Like, I lost
some of my friends the politics,and they just don't see themselves going that
(38:59):
fine, like and I used tofight them, like, bro, why
you can't just like, bro,no, that's what you want to do.
And I'm like, bro, youdon't. We all come from the
same ship, so you wouldn't wantto get this far. Some people don't
want to get that far for real. So you just gotta like learn to
live with and that's the breaking pointthat you like them, I really got
to disconnect. That's crazy, thelove in the friendship, because this is
(39:21):
fifteen twenty years of friends pampas,crawl and fight, stelling bikes whole man
like to the point where it's likeI can't even talk to you. Ye,
is a heartbreaking situation. I'd havehad that plenty of to ask.
I had to let people go thatI thought it was gonna be that forever.
You know what I'm saying. Soit's a gift and the curse.
Yeah, speaking of a gift,what would you say has been your favorite
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part of your journey? So farm? What musically or just being a just
an entrepreneur, mobil like an entrepreneur. Yeah, musically as an independent person.
Yea, um my gift my favoritepart. I just think being able
to process it for real, beingable to process all the shit that I'm
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going through, everything that I seearound myself, Like I guts to learn
how to handle my temper, gotto learn how to say no one needed,
being able to love properly, notbe used, Like, learn how
to really facilitate that shit because whenyou they say, when you successful,
(40:25):
it gets lonely at the top.I think it's a real thing. I
do believe in that, But Idon't think that people leave the person.
I think the person leave the peoplebecause you be heartbroken in so many different
ways, Like you can't trust,you can't love properly. Everybody is pulling
(40:45):
you. Like when you're at thevery top, it's only one way you
can go, and that's down.When you at the bottom, on the
way you can go us up.So I feel like people that be at
the top like to be solo becausethey anything can change the system any given
moment. So I feel like mybiggest gift of my lifestyle, of who
I am as a person today islearning how to process things at a fast
(41:07):
rapid rate. Yeah. Like,well I'm almost light years ahead of people,
like I can see what they're tryingto do already. But then like
sometimes I do get calling the costsfire by loving somebody or loving people like
I'm gonna take this chance for evenI know it in a good chance or
know it in a good situation,I'm still gonna do it. And I've
done it and been crossed out andthen for the crash out and I have
(41:30):
to get back in my banks.They don't trip. God gonna bless me
in a different way. Yeah,yeah, it happened just like that.
Um, speaking of loving hard,do you see yourself being like in a
monogamous like long term relationship. M. Yeah, maybe I'm like forty.
So what ten years? How areyou thirty something? Twenty nine? You'll
(41:51):
be thirty this year. Ye'll betweenthis year this year. Wow, So
you can see it, it's inyour future. Yeah. Yeah, But
my chick got to be strong ashell, Like she gotta be strong,
strong as in like she got totolerate. What what do you mean,
like just mental Like I need somebodywho can really help dissect everything. Like
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I'm a real nerd, but likeI'm a real person at the same time,
aggressive and I'm everything they probably sayI am. Yeah, probably is
a loose cannon. I don't know. But at the same time, I
need my woman to be able tosee the signals, see the signs and
be able to help, like yourcalm, be that flow, be like
water, that's whatever, whatever itis, whatever it is. Yeah,
(42:35):
I love that. Okay, Soyou just said you were a nerd.
I want to ask you too,what what are some things about you that
people may be surprised to know?Um, I think I read like books
every month? Really, yeah forsure. Yeah, what's the last book
you read? And what did youtake away from it. Man, I
(43:00):
read so many books, I'm gonnabe a band. I probably read about
four or five books a month.I try to read a book a week.
Damn. Yeah, I didn't reada lot of books, and I
gained a lot of knowledge from itbecause when they said, if you want
to have something from putting the book, that's just real, you know what
I'm saying. So I don't know. I just read once a week and
(43:22):
I try to really be my Sundaysdays, like you know what I'm saying.
Oh yeah, sit down and readRich Dad. Poor Dad was one
of the books that I just gotfell in love with, like you know,
the common normal books. But Ithink lately I've been stuck on this
um this Bible literature series called Zohar, Yeah, the Zoar or something like
(43:47):
that. I think that's what itis. What are they talking about.
It's basically like the book is rolledbackwards. It's chapters and it's different books.
It's almost like the Bible in away, like Jesus and stuff Jerusalem
way, but it's written backwards,so it tells you how it would end
it and then you gotta ready anda way where you can figure out why
(44:07):
that even happened, it's real,like no, yeah, I'm just reading
that. Yeah. I was readinga book like that actually, where it's
like the Bible but it's like madeinto like a novel. Yeah. So
but it gives you like that,it gives you the story in chronological order,
like how things actually like kind oflike how to Koran. It's like
it's it's a It's like I'm realspiritual too, So I just really pay
attention stuff like that, and likelike I said, rich that Poor Dad
(44:30):
Physis forty A Laws of Powers itYeah. Um. Which other book I
just read, I think like acouple of weeks ago, oh the um
the documentary on the McDonald's real estatethat Okay, Yeah, I was reading
that and I watched it on Netflix. It was kind of like it was
kind of like it seemed like itwas a little different in the book.
(44:50):
Ye. On Netflix it cleaned itup a little bit. But I found
gold in that. But I foundgold a ton of value. A on
the value just to see like howyou would think that you something because of
what people label you, ask andyou a whole another entity. Yeah,
Like you may think a person arapper the whole time he might be a
(45:13):
therapist, you know what I'm saying, Like you just never really because people
live through music, ye, emotionsand things hit differently, you know what
I'm saying. You can probably connectto a person's life style. That's why
people great game fans, because peoplelike I like what that person I can
relate to them, you know.Yeah. So I don't know, It's
just it's just crazy how complex anddiversity can get. Okay, So what
(45:35):
I'm interested to know just like acouple of little more aspects to who you
are, like your personality. Sowhat makes you laugh? Um, I
don't know. I'm a I'm aI'm a serious person on a low So
you don't laugh. I do laughbecause everybody laugh, laughing laugh. But
(45:59):
like I think my kids made melaugh. Yeah, yeah, my son's
made me laugh the funniest. Mydaughter's hilarious to me. I feel like
she's like the funniest person on theplane. Yeah, my kids maybe laughing.
Kids are funny. You're creative too. You just it bugs you out
to see him grow, you knowwhat I'm saying, and talk to him,
and I get to see my kidsevery hand now, So like when
(46:20):
I see him and I talk tohim, I'm so busy the new stuff
that they learned, Like one amatter of fact, this was last week.
I'm riding through Peace three, meand my son here in the front
seat, and I never put himin the front seat. He five,
I never, don't, don't,don't, don't do this at home.
I put him in the front seat, right, and he put a seat
belt on. We're listening, we'rekicking, and he liked off the role
(46:44):
model song. I had a skimask on the orange from right. Oh
yeah. He obsessed with this mask, like my I mean obsessed. So
he keeps saying, Dad, Dad, I want to get the masks.
Want to get the mask with getthe mask. So we go to Lennox
Small. I bammed the mask.He's super super, super hyped. So
on the way back, I'm like, look, I balue you a pair
of shoes every week, every Friday, and I'll get your new mask for
(47:04):
the next to the rest of theyear. If you can read every sign
from this point all the way toget to the house. It blew my
man. Five. No, no, when I say it blew my man,
it blew my man Like I wasim. I'm gonna be honest with
you. I was kind of happyand like amazed, Yeah, come like
them, this is my son.Like I was kind of fanned out on
(47:25):
my son, like we right,I'm like, what's that? What's this?
What's this? What's that? What? Street sounds that he was really
pronouncing him And even on the streetlightswe would drive past it, you would
be a glimp. I know hedidn't get he got it, yeah,
And it just it tripped me out, like yo, like damn, my
son could really read that good,Like he's a burgle like me. So
I know he's intelligent, but it'slike it just tripped me out. Yeah.
(47:50):
So that made me laugh super hardbecause I told his mom like,
yo, yo, he could readlike this, yeah, yeah, saying
words that I almost had you knowwhat I'm saying. So that made me
laugh. I love that talking crowdwith my partners. People be thinking of
somebody they're not And she made melaugh. Do you have a moment where
it just felt like total bliss?It was like, man, I wish
(48:13):
I could always stay in this momentright here for the rest of my life.
Nah. Not yet, nah,Like I do have moments while yeah
in a way, but never likeforever I do really enjoy certain moments,
like real happy, loud, energeticmoments, like certain people I love.
(48:37):
But I just think it always gotto do it like love for real,
Like you know what I'm saying.If you're around people you love and you
know it's lit, Yeah, don'tyou wish you could just take all the
people you really really really love,Yeah, like that, and then them
long conversations with old friends and you'retrying to catch up and you're doing so
great and they're not really doing asgreat, but you still got faith in
(48:59):
hoping them. Those be the momentsI black man, I wish I could
just change the world and culture soI can really bring them. And it's
like it's not real. You gottaconstantly go back to like, man,
that's not real. It's not areal thing, right, you know it's
not real? Right, Yeah,you can't. You can't save a million
people like Mike can in a differentway, but you can't personally go touch
(49:21):
and save a million people like youdon't have to do it in a way
where it can. It's outreach,social media's and inventions and stuff like that.
Anybody that you lost that you wishcould see you today, for sure.
Oh man, my little brother wassure Keith right for sure? Every
(49:42):
day every day. That's a realtouchy subject. What is it that is
like exactly that you were? Like, man, I wish you could see
this particular aspect of who I am. I just missed my boy, like
you know what I'm saying, Ijust missed my shorty like I'm missing them,
I'm missing the death like I can'teven like I don't know death is
real. We all know that,like that's gonna happen to everybody. But
(50:06):
like when somebody leave who you justlike love on condition like that that in
your mind and your world never donenothing wrong. I don't know. It
just hit different when you when younever seen a person to do bad,
Like you know what I'm saying,Yeah, leave my little brother, some
of my best friends, but mainlymy little brother. Like losing a little
(50:29):
brother living longer than your little brother, It's like is a traumatizing thing for
real, Like yeah, yeah,I wish I could see him every day.
And it's been times I thought I'dseen him in my crib in the
kitchen and I'm chasing his ass likereally, yeah, I'm not afraid of
No, definitely ghost that shit.Man, if I think I imagine I've
seen my little brother in the cornersomewhere in the house, I'm not hadding
(50:53):
no way, I'm trying to comecome kick it. You think you can
get visitation from after like, hellyeah, I hope I do. Hell
yeah if if if I can't vegetationfrom a to like sit down there,
come have a drink with me.Yeah, I'm not afraid of my demons.
I'm not afraid of nothing like noneof that, because I shit,
I don't know. I feel likeI've absorbed it, Like I don't know
(51:17):
if my little brother can be andwhatever. Ain't you for them whatever I
have to like form and to comesit on the couch for me, I
will sit there. I would giveeverything up just to chill with him the
whole time and get drunk as illand last do whatever like you I'm saying.
Yeah, it's a real thing.Yeah all right. So as we
(51:37):
get ready to close, UM,I want to ask you what do you
do music for? Um? Ido music for the underdogs, for the
entrepreneurs, for the for the peoplewho ain't got label deals yet major label.
I mean, I do music formy own therapy. People that can
relate to me as a person,people who it's been misled, misguided.
(52:01):
I do music for the people wholike, for the fans who think they
know when they don't really know people'slifestyles, and to tell my story for
real. And there's only so muchmore that we can open up too.
Yes, I'm here for RORI thankyou so much for sitting with me.
I learned a lot from you.This conversation was amazing. I'm so proud
(52:24):
of you what you've already been ableto accomplish and uh yeah we yep yeah piece
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