November 18, 2025 • 41 mins
Terri J. Vaughn is more than “Lovita Alizé Jenkins” from The Steve Harvey Show — she’s an actress, director, producer, and blueprint for Black women creating their own lanes in Hollywood. In this episode of Finding Your Niche with Neish, Terri sits down with Neisha to talk about the real journey behind the highlight reel: the grind, the pivots, the faith, and the decisions that shaped her career and her life. We get into:
- How she went from auditioning to owning her power as a creator and producer
- What it’s really like navigating Hollywood as a Black woman
- The role faith, identity, and inner work play in staying grounded
- Motherhood, marriage, and building a legacy beyond the screen
- Her advice for women who feel called to “more” but are scared to start
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What are the stories that you have told yourself about
you being able to accomplish so many things? What has
been that narrative that you've given yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I still have to constantly remind myself that I can't
I can sell another TV show. Really, you know that
that was heavy on me too. I never wanted it
to just be a one off and then it's like, oh,
she got lucky or.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
You know, it was just that moment, that's her moment. Yeah,
And so that's why I don't even.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I don't I can't even contrive to the the moment
the moment yet, Yeah, because my whole life is a moment. Yes,
and different things in different times of my life have
benefited me, some stuff have been super challenging, but it's
all still just a moment of me walking through this
life of Terry Javon.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Right, Terry J. Vaughn. I can't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I can't believe I'm saying that name out loud. Well
say it again, Terry j von So the stars have
a line. I am so excited to have you on
the show. I have been had the pleasure of being
in the same room as you around your sphere of influence.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And finally you're.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Sitting across from me and you are that girl like
this is your moment. How do you feel about this
particular season in life?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I feel more grounded and more powerful than I ever
have in my life.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
That's the what is?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
What do you attribute that to? More grounded?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think, you know, just maturing age? Really do you
cuss on this podcast? You can not giving a fuck
okay period on a high level at this point, whereas
before when I was younger, you know, it was all
about making sure I was liked, making sure you know,
I didn't offend anybody, making sure, but just getting to
(02:19):
know myself even better.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, and I know that I lead with love in
my heart all the time, h all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Even if the answer is no, yeah, it is still
leading with love in my heart. So yeah, if I'm
doing that, then I really you know, if somebody can't
take it or doesn't like it, then it's really not marmalle.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And that's interesting that you say that, because it sounds
nice right to lead with love, but sometimes that cannot
serve you in certain situations because other people are not
able to actually receive that. Where did you get it
always serves us, even when it feel like it doesn't.
If you're leading with that honest, authentic yeah, God given
(03:09):
nudge love, then I cannot be responsible on how you
receive it.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, I just can't.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And I it's in it and it's not been anything
against you. Yeah, it's just this is what's right for me,
and so you know, and sometimes it does rub people
the wrong way, but I've learned not to receive that.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And speaking of like what you just said, so much evolution,
so much that you had to learn and grow over time.
Is there anything that you had to unlearn that actually
has served you in this season of your life?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Well, were some of those things that you're like, I
have to unlearn?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, because that that is a part of it too,
because you know, we come into this world and we're
bombarded with information about what is supposed to be, who
we're supposed to be, yeah, who we are, Like, we're
getting all this information from the outside of us. So
I had to learn unlearn a lot of that, a
(04:07):
lot of what is just innately, especially as black people,
that we were just taught this is what it is,
this is how you're supposed to be, this is you know,
and as I've ventured and gotten more grounded and more
spiritually connected to within instead of without and you know without.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I've.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I've I've just had to unlearn what all those supposed
to all those is all those because there is no limit.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I don't. I don't have any limits.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Neither do you.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
All those limits are just fake stuff that we were taught, Like,
you know, you gotta do this if you're black, you
got to do this because you're a woman. You got
to do this because you come from there. None of
that is true, none of it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You have to do this. It's because you believe in Jesus.
You have to do this because you believe in God.
None of it is true, none of it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That is so you seem so enlightened and so aware
at a level that feels like you can just overcome
and go through anything. I love that idea, like what
you're saying about that limitlessness.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
In embodying that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
With what you have done, it feels like your career
is essentially limitless. You have been able to accomplish so
many different things right now in the space that you're in,
Miss Governor, by the way, congratulations on that.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
That is incredible.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
What do you feel like in terms of some of
the limits that have been put on you or some
of the misrepresentation that you have felt in the industry
that you would want to address or acknowledge that may
not be true of who you are?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
You know, even like now, because I still act because
I love it. But I also direct because I love it,
And I think a lot of times I get asked
that question, which one do you want to do or
which one do you like better?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I don't have to pick a box.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I love them both equally and I can do them
both and excel in both of them. So I think
that's one of the things I do think that the
industry had, because I do think it's changing because of
people like me who become a force in doing a
(06:27):
plethora of things.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, and they can't anymore because we're doing it anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, So I think that that is changing, thank God.
But you know what, again, it doesn't matter what other
people say or whatever other boxes that they try to
put you in, as long as I don't put myself
in a box.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I mean, I know that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
God didn't put me in a box right at all,
or else he wouldn't give me the passion to do
all the things. Yeah, I love to do even you know,
I get asked a lot of times about being a
mother and having a family then having their career, and
you know, I've heard women say that they chose to
have a family instead of doing their career, or they
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really focused on their career and didn't pay attention to
having a family.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
But for me, I need it both.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, and I constantly yes, I feel that you can
do both.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I feel the same way like with the mom guilt
and stuff like that. People feel like, okay, because you
have one, because you want to have one thing that
you're forfeiting the other. But I don't really subscribe to
the idea or philosophy because I feel like you can
do them both and shine in each one and each
realm within this specific given time, and then just having
that fluidness with being a mom because it is like
(07:43):
a learn as you go. Yes, it's a very troubleshoot
in real time. And so yeah, sometimes I feel like
I'm booming in my career and then I'm not at
home and then.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You're just like, okay, let me get back. That is absolutely,
let me get back to where I'm supposed to be
with my family and then I can back into this.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But I don't feel at all that I'm that you
have to that I have to choose.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I feel like I can do them both. I can
do them both well.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
One thousand person.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I love that in terms of narrative and people, I
guess telling you what you can't do? What are the
stories that you have told yourself about you being able
to accomplish so many things? What has been that narrative
that you've given yourself.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I I still have to constantly remind myself that I
can't I can sell another TV show? Really, you know
that that was heavy on me too. I never wanted
it to just be a one off and then it's like,
oh she got lucky or you know, it was just
that moment, that's her moment.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, And so that's why I don't even I don't.
I can't even contrive to.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
The the moment the moment yet, Yeah, because my whole
life is a moment. Yes, and different things in different
times of my life have benefited me, some stuff have
been super challenging, but it's all still just a moment
of me walking through this life of Terry j von
Right I have to constantly remind myself that there's more that, Yes, you.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Have more to do. I'm not satisfied.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yes, I'm so thankful and so grateful to have had
MSS Governor, which was a blessing and a goal and
I feel so amazing and incredible that I was able
to bring that to life, you know, and God aligned
all the pieces for that to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But there is no way that I think that that
is that's the only thing.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yes, wow, Absolutely, you think people think that of you.
You think that's like, Okay, she's peace now, you don't know,
you don't.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Care, don't know. No, I don't wow.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And for that to be such a high obviously achievement
in your career so far, what is that next level
for you that you would feel like, Okay, this would
be the next ring on the latter. For me in
terms of my career.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, I still I have more TV shows that I
want to produce. I have more another TV show that
I want to star in that I'm actively working on
right now. I want to create more content that star
and feature black women in comedic leading roles. That's really
important to me. So I want to produce more of
(10:16):
that for us. I have movie projects that I want
to produce that feature us, that is written by us,
that be directed by it, and prayerfully.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Even funded by us.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I want I see us in such a powerful light,
and I'm just going to lean into that and trust
that we're that the right people, the right women, will
step up to the plate and we can do build
this thing together, this vision that I have.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, So I'm just working on it.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And speaking of women, I think when we come together,
like you're saying, there's so many insurmountable things that we can.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Overcome and accomplish.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Has there been a woman specifically in your life that
you can pinpoint that has really helped you become the woman.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
That you are today.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I don't think there's one. I think there's many. Any
that stand out.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I well, my mom for one, my mother, and my grandmother,
my aunt. Like my family is a family of badass women. Yeah,
I feel like we're like that. What's the island that
wonder woman is on?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Oh god?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But then Debbie Allen is huge for me. She's a
mentor and I love her dearly and watching her journey
through her career gives me inspiration that I can do
a plethora of things. You know, she's a dancer, she's
a director, she's an actor, she's a producer, she's all
these things.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
So why love that? Yeah? Beyonce inspired?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Okay Beyonce, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, just the focus, the drive, the perfection, the excellence
of it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
All operating at such a high level standard across the board.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, that's that's very inspiring.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I think with film, it's so interesting, interesting because it's
a lot of ebb and flow. Right, Sometimes you're sometimes
you're down, and sometimes the phone is ringing, and sometimes
it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Absolutely On those.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Days when the phone is not ringing, what pulls you
out a bit?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
The hopes and dreams, the projects that I still want
to bring to life. I still get up, I still
work on pitch decks, I still make phone calls.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I still.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You know, pray and meditate over the projects that I
have that I want to bring to life.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Uh, it's NonStop, It's NonStop.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And where did you get that drive from that hustle,
that grind that to grit. I think a lot of
times w in terms of thinking about a woman and
a female when she has to offer, we have to
have a lot of grit in terms to make something
actually yeah come to pass.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Was that something that you learned from your childhood?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Was it something that you had to learn from the
industry as a byproduct of being in it, where you're like,
you know what, this nothing is gonna come to me.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I have to fight for what I want and continue
to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I think I think it's a bit of all of it.
I think it's my my upbringing, knowing that I I
wanted to have a bigger life than the life that
was born into the neighborhood that I grew up in,
w which I love, and it it sharpened me and
gave me that grit right that you're talking about. Uh
(13:45):
So I always you know, when I first got into
this business and I saw how how daunting it is
and how challenging it can be. Yeah, I leaned into
my childhood. I was like, yeah, but look where you
came from. Mm, with the stuff you had to put
up with as a teenager and all the things that
you had to get through.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, this is nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
This business don't have anything of the people in the
business that are making the change, the making the decisions
about what gets greenland and what doesn't blah blah blah blah.
I'm like, they can't touch you, so just keep going,
keep going.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Are you thinking of yourself when you say thinking about
my childhood? Are you thinking of Terry a specific age,
a version of yourself that you're pulling from.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
No, just my childhood growing up in the neighborhood that
I grew up in. I you know, it was just
to be honest, as a very drug infested, gang related neighborhood,
had a lot of friends that were doe boys and
young bangers and all that stuff as a teenager and
navigating through that as a young girl and getting phone
(14:52):
calls did you just hear that such and such just
got shot or this person died? You know, at such
a young age, getting those kind of call, that's basically
that's trauma, right. And if I was able to navigate
through that and still go on to want to go
to school and want to go to college, and want
(15:14):
a better life for myself and want just that desire
that never the light never went out, I don't know.
And that's the light that God put in me. Yeah,
that's the light that God put in me that I
wanted more. I wanted a successful life. I wanted to
be a successful black business woman, Like I just had
(15:35):
this vision of myself of being that. Yeah, and so
that is what just kind of drove me through my years.
And you know it can't stop now, No, it continues
to go.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Would you say you have become that?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I think I've become that. And then and then there's more.
And then it's more because I think after you, after
you achieve a goal that you set, that's not the
end of it. Then you get another goal, Then you
get another goal, keeps yes, because you're living and you're
growing and you're learning more.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So there's always more.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I think that's interesting, learning more.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
And then our definition of what success looks like because
obviously we've been watching your career, we see when the
peaks are happening. Is there a moment or a season
in time that you can recall where to us, you
look like it looked like everything was fine, you were
at the height of your career, but then when you
would go home and the doors would close, you're actually
dealing with something.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I would say, even now now it looks like all
shiny and glowy and and there is a side of that,
but there's still a lot of things that go on
behind the scenes that I have to deal with, that
I have to navigate through, that I have to continue
to pump.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Myself up for. So I would say, yeah, now.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Right now, yes, in this season, in this season, yes,
and then you it's never what you's just smiling though,
you're just smiling away.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yes, because that is a that is true too. I'm
still very blessed and very grateful and very thankful. I
love to have fun and I'm not gonna not have
my joy because i have so much to have joy about.
So I don't dim the light on that aspect of
it because there's other things that are being juggled and
(17:31):
figuring being figured out. Yeah, at the same time, that
doesn't kill the joy and the light that I also have.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So it's just, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
It's a part of it. Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I'm really surprised to hear that, because, like I said,
like just from the outside looking in, you just really
never know what people are going through, and sometimes people
are literally on the brink of smiling to keep from crying.
I've been there in life where I'm just like, Okay,
pull it together. But I feel at the precipice of
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me just getting ready to just talk or be present.
I can feel like I'm about to break down, and
how do I actually.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Hold it all together?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And how can I still make my life meaningful and
purposeful in the midst of what I am actually going through?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I love that you even think of it in that way.
How can I still be purposeful?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Even in this season? That's huge.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
M I think that leaves the door that's the unlimited list, Yeah,
that I speak of. It's like, that's how you get
to it because even though you're going through whatever it
is you're going through.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You're still looking for the light.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You're still looking for your uh, your gift to give
out to the world, even in the midst Yeah, of
feeling that.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, spot on.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm curious to know in your creative process, cause a
lot of people look at you and like, Okay, how
does she get these opportunities? How has she been able
to navigate and evolve over time? Is there something that
you would say specifically that you did practically or tactical
that helped you get to this point that other people
can start applying if they find themselves wanting to follow
in your footsteps.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Very simple. You don't give up.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Really, I just everybody says that there's.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No stop secret, stop no, because you're gonna sometimes you're
gonna feel overwhelmed, you're gonna feel like, oh shit is
not gonna happen. You're gonna feel those things. But you
still get up, you still make the calls, you still
keep going even when you don't feel like it. That's
just it. It's that's the only way to win. It's
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to not stop.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I know people say that and it sounds so cliche,
but it's it's literally between that response or the same
be consistent. That's consistent. I wonder why do we make
it so like, why do we make it so different?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Because it feels because it sounds so simple, don't stop.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
But what you're feeling is so many blocks and so
many like so it so you're looking for something that
has to be deeper difficult, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And some people have trauma bonding to where like they
feel unsafe if there's not something negative going on, that's
difficult going on.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So I think a lot of times you attract that stuff.
It's morealized because, like you said, that's our comfort zone. Yeah,
that's where we feel safe. If there's no chaos or
no struggle going on, we'll find it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, just to add, just to add to us calm down,
which it sounds crazy that that chaos will calm you down,
and that is your safety mechanism for you to feel
like you have to navigate.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
But if you know that about yourself, then the key
is to let's fix it.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Let's work on it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And how can I get past that? Because inviting the
chaos and the stress.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
That's that's what kind of does it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, it's like, let's not invite it. Yeah, life is
gonna bring up its own Like I don't want to
be a part of bringing none of that exactly. I
am only trying to bring the joy, the light, the fun,
the laughter, the healing.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, all of that, that's what I want to attract.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Only all the other stuff. Okay, it'll come, but I'll
be equipped to him.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Are you looking to really attract a role that shows
maybe a particular range that we haven't seen from you yet.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I just like complicated women because that's who we are.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Complex.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yes, we're flawed, we're strong, we're powerful, we're weak, we're
you know, we're very complex, and I like any role
that gives me the opportunity to show all of those layers.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Be a perfect person because that's just unrealistic. I don't
have all the answers. Yeah, I cry a lot, I
laugh a lot, I stumble, I fall, I get up
a trip again. I do all those things. So I
like characters that do all that. Yeah, that are vulnerable
(22:10):
and spastic and crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And I like it.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Obviously, one of your most.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Well known roles, Levita als Yes, do you get tired
of people bringing that up? Do you feel like if
you were to think back to that specifcific role and
that specific moment in time, is there something that you
would saying you owe to Levita.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I gave LaVita all I had, and I love that character. No,
I don't get tired of it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, I mean she's in she was great, incredible.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, she had a lot of layers to me, and
so I purposely felt like I took my time to
present her in the most loving, protective way that I could,
because I know Labita's.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I am a Lalita.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I wanted to be protective and represent all the Lavida's
in the world with the best of my ability, the
m you know, with my love and my care and
all the things.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
So I feel like I I did.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That for her. Is there a role that you would say,
if I could go back, I would make this adjustment
or this tweak and do it differently and add to
that specific character.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I can't say specifically.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I would just say, like, probably any of my earlier roles.
I feel like, of course, just being more seasoned now, yeah,
I could play it better just because I feel like
I'm a better artist now. Yeah, I've experienced more life.
I'm a lot more open and ready to give at a.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
High level all that is within me.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I don't have a need to hold anything back. And
I think being able to be open like that, yeah,
and play a character and give it all, I think
that just makes a difference. So I just think with
age and learning and being wiser, I would play any
of my earlier roles.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah. And I think that's interesting. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You're in your fifties, right, so as a fifty in
an actress in her fifties, talk to me about that
when you wake up and say, Wow, I'm this age
and I'm still doing what I love. I know, there's
a lot of agism in terms of like the film industry,
and you can quote unquote age out. How have you
been able to stay relevant in the midst of being
(24:44):
able to offer something as you've grown older animal speak?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Really just feel like I'm better, so you know, and
I think that I've seen not just myself, but so
many of my peers embrace our age, right, It's like
we wear it like a badge of honor.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Nobody's like hiding it, like all the.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
People used to have, like r history, my background, like
black women.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You don't ask no woman her age exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So when did that? When do you think that shift happened?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I think that shift happened with my generation. I really
really yeah, because when I think about all my peers,
whether it's Gabrielle or Essence or Tracy sharing NC, any
of Nicole And if you think about any of these
amazing talented we all talk about being in our fifties.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
All of us talk about it.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
None of us are hiding it anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And I think it was the generation before us that
did because only, yes, only because of our work and
the world really made you feel bad for being older,
which is crazy because the alternative to not getting.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Older is not being here dot.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'd rather keep getting older and just take care of
myself to you know, still be flies, still yeah, be
who I am and all the sasas and the sauce
and the and all the things, all the things. But
I love saying that I'm fifty yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Or I'm fifty six now.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Wow, I just turned fifty six a couple of weeks
ago related birthday.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
That's incredible, And I think.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
That is something that a lot more women need to
start adapting and embracing, because there's so much that you
can gain in terms of being able to tap in
with who you are and where you are in that
season and embracing that moment and being present with where
you are.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
How would you define purpose.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Something that is your God given gift that you give
to the world.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Mm.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
My purpose, I feel like God bless me with the
talent to.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Be a light to make people laugh. Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I feel like I'm a light in a room when
I step in, and my job, my purpose is to
give that, to give that out to you, whether it's
in person, yeah, whether it's through my characters, whether it's
through a story.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That I wanna tell.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I wanna bring you some light and some joy in
the midst of everything that we have to deal with.
I think we deserve to still lean into our joy
no matter what.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, I love what you just said. I and I
wanna unpack that a little bit. That idea of when
you walk into a room, Comma, whether that room be
like a boardroom, an audition room, a screening.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
How have you been able to do that?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Cause so many women I think that's what kills them
put in the car before the worse, not having confidence
and right, not having that presence to be able to
stand up and be their full selves and take up
space with where they are.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
How have you been able to navigate that?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
What advice would you give to women who feel like
they still shrink in rooms where they should stand tall?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know it really again, it comes just with maturity
and aging, because I think when we're younger, we are
always trying to please people. We wanna be accepted, which
is totally I still do. I still wanna make you happy.
I still wanna ye be pleasing to you, but not
to my detriment, not to me shrinking down or being
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something that I'm not to make you feel better. I
have no desire to do that or be that anymore, cause.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
It doesn't serve anything. Yeah, doesn't serve you.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'd rather show up wholly as a lion and you'd
be like, WHOA. So then now you're you've just glowed
up a d a notch more because you're matching what
I'm bringing into the room, right, And I feel like
a room full of bright lights is a.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I don't want to be the only bright light in
the room. I don't. So my.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Wish from my purpose is I want to shine as
bright as I can, bring as much light.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And laughter so that you are free to do the same.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So you can just start laughing and now your light
is going up and.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Bright and brighter light.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
That's what I want to do. And I just think
the comfortability just comes with getting comfortable with who you
are first.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And if there's something about you that you are not
happy with, you are the only one who have the
power to change that.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
If that is spirituality, spend more time on the floor,
knees legs crossed, spending time within the spirit is within
you find that if it is about you your health
eat better. You can choose that exercise, you can choose
that it's all things that are in your power to
do right, and you just have to want it bad
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enough to do it. And that's what I like to
remind people that nothing on the outside has.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Power over you.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Mm, nothing on the outside has power over you unless
you give it, yeah to them to.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Have power over you. M.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Your power is within your power to do everything is
within you.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
You already have everything.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You need everything, Wow, everything Trust trust that God gave
it to you, cause he did.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Just trust it.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And I feel like so many people are just walking
around not trusting that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, in terms of trusting what God has given you.
How have you been able to find that balance kind
of recently that juxposition of like being content and being
present and like, wow, this is what's in front of me,
this moment is in front of me, but also still
having the dry they've to want more. How have you
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been able to kind of balance those two ideas of
being ambitious but also being content with what's what you've had.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Well, I think.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Again, my work, my spiritual time is where all that's
where it starts. That's where the peace and the joy
of where I am settles me. Makes me feel great
about the things that I've accomplished the things I'm living
right now, the people in my life. But just as
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much as I embrace that and I appreciate that, I
also appreciate the hopes and dreams that God still has
in me. I am not making them up. Yeah, They're
given to me mm and I have to honor those
just as much as I honor being present in the
moment and loving where I am. I also feel obligated
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to seek and and still go after the hopes and
dreams that God has given me. Yeah, I can be,
I can settle be Like, Okay, I did it. I
wanted to sell a show, Yeah, and I did it.
But that's not all I s I still have more
shows to do. It's not because I d n because
I'm crazy and I just wanna create these challenges for myself. No,
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it's because God gave it to me, and.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I have to honor that.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, I have to honor it or else I'm doing
not just myself a disservice. I'm kind of slapping God
in the face by not so you see.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
It more as a responsibility. Essentially.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Absolutely, Wow, Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And I like that because I tell people in terms
of like being able to have faith and tap into
what God has showed you is have you have to
see it before you see it?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
And it goes back to what you said with.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Like, if you've already seen it in your mind, then
that means that it can exist one thousand years real life.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
But it's so.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's kind of this far out wool and people are
like thinking of it in that term. But that ability
to really hold on to an idea, to hold space
for an idea for so long that you can see
it fully manifest. Do you believe in manifestation alignment? How
have you seen that in your life?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Ms? Governor?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Wow, that is something that I envisioned in my mind
years ago, seven or eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
So when you step on set for the first taping
from something that was just once in your head, then
on paper, then in a conversation, and I'm on set
and not.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Just that, Now I'm on set. Now I'm doing it
now a eternal TV and it's ready there see it. Oh,
that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So it works.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I know, I just know, I believe. I believe on
a whole other level. Yeah, And I think that's what
it takes.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Is there something that you had to do to make
that happen, cause it isn't just like thinking about and
holding space for it. There are steps that you took
in order to kind of get yourself in that position. Yeah,
was it you being strategic about networking?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
What were some of the things that got you to
that space?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
It literally was trusted my instincts in the moment, Like
I knew, I knew what I wanted to do, I
knew what I wanted it to look like, I knew
I wanted to be on Netflix. That was a part
of it. It was in my journal.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Wow. And so.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
That quiet space where I tell you to sit, sit
with your legs cross on the floor, and the quiet space,
that's where like the steps were given, call this person,
what about this person? And like literally I'll be like,
oh my god, no, I'm not calling that person.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And it was like call that person. So I made
the call. It was j And that was the step, yes,
step of the way with stuff like that, Uh, like
I don't wanna call Yeah, that's gonna look weird there.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
What are they gonna say?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
All make sense?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
It doesn't doesn't matter, do it anyway. So it was
a lot of that along this process. Of getting MS
governor on Wow. A lot of the do it anyway,
do it anyway, believe it anyway, Uh, that didn't come through,
or that person said no, doesn't matter. Believe it anyway,
It's still gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Okay, And I did. It was literally those conversations.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Wow, so beat by beat you just kept doing that.
Is that almost a reflex now for you or is
it something that you still kind of like, oh, where
you're just like, oh, that's weird, I wanna do that,
or now you have have you learned to kind of
lean in to that.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I do lean into it, but it's still I still get.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You know, the feelings like, oh my god, no, I
don't want to do that. That's gonna be weird, you know,
all those things. Those thoughts still calm. But again, the
more you work the tool and the more you spend
going in, yeah, the stronger you sharper in yourself.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And I think something that you mentioned that I'm actually
learning from myself for the first time in a long time.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Is that idea of taking a beat, taking a moment
to like slow everything down.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah. I think we get so ambitious, we get so excited,
all these things, all these things, all these opportunities. Okay,
this person, this person, and it's just like whoa whoa,
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoah, Like.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, calm down, I have to do that all a lot.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Calm down so that you can hear me. Yeah, you
know that's what God is saying. And so for you
to say, like to take that moment to kind of
just go in. My husband says, it's quote. If you
go don't go within, you go it down. And when
you do that, when you create space, you allow God
to be able to speak to you so that you
can know specifically the things that you have been called
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to do and that power of rest. Yes, And it
may not make sense to anybody else.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
That's where the bravery comes at mm.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It can only make sense to you and not to
anyone else. And you feel like this, I probably look crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Do it anyway?
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Do it anyway?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Do it anyway, believe it anyway.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I love that of it anyway, I love that well.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I wanna thank you so much for this time and
what I got from it.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
That idea of doing it.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Anyway, believe anyway, I think is gonna carry on for
people who are just needing that encouragement and needing that
extra umph in their life and in their day. For
a person who is like you know what, I feel
like this is the end of the road for me.
What words of encouragement would you have for them?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I don't need Uh. How could it be the end
of the road for you when you still just woke up? Mm,
there's still more to do. You just gotta trust it.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
The end of the road is when the road is ended.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I the road is still going, the road is still
being built, the road is still happening. So how can
it be the end of the road.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
It can't be. Yeah, that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, if you say it out loud to yourself, oh
this is the end of the road, it.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You can still get up and walk, you can still breathe,
you can still laugh and still watch something and be inspired.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You can still I don't know, kiss your baby, you
can still whatever it.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Is, all the things.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Yeah, you still have something left in you.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, it's not the end of the road until it's
the end of the road.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I love that. Well.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I am excited to see what your journey continues to do,
how you continue to impact and evolve. If you were
to kind of envision yourself at the peak of your success, right,
you're at the top of the mountain and you're looking down. Oh,
you're saying, God, Wow, what does that life look like?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
That life looks like. TJV Enterprises has several You can
turn on the TV and see about ten sitcoms and
starring amazing, talented, beautiful black women, and they're all different stories,
different levels of life, and you can see reflections of yourself.
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So I'm seeing those ten shows on air. I'm seeing
Emmy Awards for those shows. I see plenty of time
with peers and friends of us on set working, my kids,
thriving in life and their own hopes, dreams, goals. Yeah,
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and me and my husband just basking.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I love it, basking and all of it. You know,
I love that for you.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Going to vacation wherever we feel like it, right, was like,
where do you want to go today?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yes? Yes, yes, And doing.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
The work when we feel like mmm, not because we
have to, but because we want.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Wow, that sounds I know, it's an amazing life.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
That sounds.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Get working there.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I love it. Well, thank you so much for coming on.
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
We're all going to continue to watch you shine, be
that light in the room everywhere you step into. God
has already created that provision and gone before you.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
So I appreciate you coming on and saying yes. You're
like one of the most down to earth.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Chill cool people that I that I've met, And so
thank you for saying yes to being on, because.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Thank you for asking. It's important. Thank you, thank
What are the stories that you have told yourself about
you being able to accomplish so many things? What has
been that narrative that you've given yourself.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I still have to constantly remind myself that I can't
I can sell another TV show. Really, you know that
that was heavy on me too. I never wanted it
to just be a one off and then it's like, oh,
she got lucky or.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
You know, it was just that moment, that's her moment. Yeah,
And so that's why I don't even.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I don't I can't even contrive to the the moment
the moment yet, Yeah, because my whole life is a moment. Yes,
and different things in different times of my life have
benefited me, some stuff have been super challenging, but it's
all still just a moment of me walking through this
life of Terry Javon.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Right, Terry J. Vaughn. I can't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I can't believe I'm saying that name out loud. Well
say it again, Terry j von So the stars have
a line. I am so excited to have you on
the show. I have been had the pleasure of being
in the same room as you around your sphere of influence.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And finally you're.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Sitting across from me and you are that girl like
this is your moment. How do you feel about this
particular season in life?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I feel more grounded and more powerful than I ever
have in my life.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
That's the what is?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
What do you attribute that to? More grounded?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think, you know, just maturing age? Really do you
cuss on this podcast? You can not giving a fuck
okay period on a high level at this point, whereas
before when I was younger, you know, it was all
about making sure I was liked, making sure you know,
I didn't offend anybody, making sure, but just getting to
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know myself even better.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, and I know that I lead with love in
my heart all the time, h all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Even if the answer is no, yeah, it is still
leading with love in my heart. So yeah, if I'm
doing that, then I really you know, if somebody can't
take it or doesn't like it, then it's really not marmalle.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
And that's interesting that you say that, because it sounds
nice right to lead with love, but sometimes that cannot
serve you in certain situations because other people are not
able to actually receive that. Where did you get it
always serves us, even when it feel like it doesn't.
If you're leading with that honest, authentic yeah, God given
(03:09):
nudge love, then I cannot be responsible on how you
receive it.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, I just can't.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And I it's in it and it's not been anything
against you. Yeah, it's just this is what's right for me,
and so you know, and sometimes it does rub people
the wrong way, but I've learned not to receive that.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
And speaking of like what you just said, so much evolution,
so much that you had to learn and grow over time.
Is there anything that you had to unlearn that actually
has served you in this season of your life?
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Well, were some of those things that you're like, I
have to unlearn?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, because that that is a part of it too,
because you know, we come into this world and we're
bombarded with information about what is supposed to be, who
we're supposed to be, yeah, who we are, Like, we're
getting all this information from the outside of us. So
I had to learn unlearn a lot of that, a
(04:07):
lot of what is just innately, especially as black people,
that we were just taught this is what it is,
this is how you're supposed to be, this is you know,
and as I've ventured and gotten more grounded and more
spiritually connected to within instead of without and you know without.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, I've.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I've I've just had to unlearn what all those supposed
to all those is all those because there is no limit.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I don't. I don't have any limits.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Neither do you.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
All those limits are just fake stuff that we were taught, Like,
you know, you gotta do this if you're black, you
got to do this because you're a woman. You got
to do this because you come from there. None of
that is true, none of it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You have to do this. It's because you believe in Jesus.
You have to do this because you believe in God.
None of it is true, none of it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That is so you seem so enlightened and so aware
at a level that feels like you can just overcome
and go through anything. I love that idea, like what
you're saying about that limitlessness.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
In embodying that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
With what you have done, it feels like your career
is essentially limitless. You have been able to accomplish so
many different things right now in the space that you're in,
Miss Governor, by the way, congratulations on that.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
That is incredible.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
What do you feel like in terms of some of
the limits that have been put on you or some
of the misrepresentation that you have felt in the industry
that you would want to address or acknowledge that may
not be true of who you are?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
You know, even like now, because I still act because
I love it. But I also direct because I love it,
And I think a lot of times I get asked
that question, which one do you want to do or
which one do you like better?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I don't have to pick a box.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I love them both equally and I can do them
both and excel in both of them. So I think
that's one of the things I do think that the
industry had, because I do think it's changing because of
people like me who become a force in doing a
(06:27):
plethora of things.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, and they can't anymore because we're doing it anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, So I think that that is changing, thank God.
But you know what, again, it doesn't matter what other
people say or whatever other boxes that they try to
put you in, as long as I don't put myself
in a box.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I mean, I know that.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
God didn't put me in a box right at all,
or else he wouldn't give me the passion to do
all the things. Yeah, I love to do even you know,
I get asked a lot of times about being a
mother and having a family then having their career, and
you know, I've heard women say that they chose to
have a family instead of doing their career, or they
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really focused on their career and didn't pay attention to
having a family.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
But for me, I need it both.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, and I constantly yes, I feel that you can
do both.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I feel the same way like with the mom guilt
and stuff like that. People feel like, okay, because you
have one, because you want to have one thing that
you're forfeiting the other. But I don't really subscribe to
the idea or philosophy because I feel like you can
do them both and shine in each one and each
realm within this specific given time, and then just having
that fluidness with being a mom because it is like
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a learn as you go. Yes, it's a very troubleshoot
in real time. And so yeah, sometimes I feel like
I'm booming in my career and then I'm not at
home and then.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
You're just like, okay, let me get back. That is absolutely,
let me get back to where I'm supposed to be
with my family and then I can back into this.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But I don't feel at all that I'm that you
have to that I have to choose.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
I feel like I can do them both. I can
do them both well.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
One thousand person.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I love that in terms of narrative and people, I
guess telling you what you can't do? What are the
stories that you have told yourself about you being able
to accomplish so many things? What has been that narrative
that you've given yourself.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I I still have to constantly remind myself that I
can't I can sell another TV show? Really, you know
that that was heavy on me too. I never wanted
it to just be a one off and then it's like,
oh she got lucky or you know, it was just
that moment, that's her moment.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Yeah, And so that's why I don't even I don't.
I can't even contrive to.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
The the moment the moment yet, Yeah, because my whole
life is a moment. Yes, and different things in different
times of my life have benefited me, some stuff have
been super challenging, but it's all still just a moment
of me walking through this life of Terry j von
Right I have to constantly remind myself that there's more that, Yes, you.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Have more to do. I'm not satisfied.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yes, I'm so thankful and so grateful to have had
MSS Governor, which was a blessing and a goal and
I feel so amazing and incredible that I was able
to bring that to life, you know, and God aligned
all the pieces for that to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But there is no way that I think that that
is that's the only thing.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yes, wow, Absolutely, you think people think that of you.
You think that's like, Okay, she's peace now, you don't know,
you don't.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Care, don't know. No, I don't wow.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And for that to be such a high obviously achievement
in your career so far, what is that next level
for you that you would feel like, Okay, this would
be the next ring on the latter. For me in
terms of my career.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, I still I have more TV shows that I
want to produce. I have more another TV show that
I want to star in that I'm actively working on
right now. I want to create more content that star
and feature black women in comedic leading roles. That's really
important to me. So I want to produce more of
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that for us. I have movie projects that I want
to produce that feature us, that is written by us,
that be directed by it, and prayerfully.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Even funded by us.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I want I see us in such a powerful light,
and I'm just going to lean into that and trust
that we're that the right people, the right women, will
step up to the plate and we can do build
this thing together, this vision that I have.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, So I'm just working on it.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
And speaking of women, I think when we come together,
like you're saying, there's so many insurmountable things that we can.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Overcome and accomplish.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Has there been a woman specifically in your life that
you can pinpoint that has really helped you become the woman.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
That you are today.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I don't think there's one. I think there's many. Any
that stand out.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I well, my mom for one, my mother, and my grandmother,
my aunt. Like my family is a family of badass women. Yeah,
I feel like we're like that. What's the island that
wonder woman is on?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
Oh god?
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But then Debbie Allen is huge for me. She's a
mentor and I love her dearly and watching her journey
through her career gives me inspiration that I can do
a plethora of things. You know, she's a dancer, she's
a director, she's an actor, she's a producer, she's all
these things.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
So why love that? Yeah? Beyonce inspired?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Okay Beyonce, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, just the focus, the drive, the perfection, the excellence
of it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
All operating at such a high level standard across the board.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, that's that's very inspiring.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I think with film, it's so interesting, interesting because it's
a lot of ebb and flow. Right, Sometimes you're sometimes
you're down, and sometimes the phone is ringing, and sometimes
it's not.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Absolutely On those.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Days when the phone is not ringing, what pulls you
out a bit?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
The hopes and dreams, the projects that I still want
to bring to life. I still get up, I still
work on pitch decks, I still make phone calls.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I still.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You know, pray and meditate over the projects that I
have that I want to bring to life.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Uh, it's NonStop, It's NonStop.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And where did you get that drive from that hustle,
that grind that to grit. I think a lot of
times w in terms of thinking about a woman and
a female when she has to offer, we have to
have a lot of grit in terms to make something
actually yeah come to pass.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Was that something that you learned from your childhood?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Was it something that you had to learn from the
industry as a byproduct of being in it, where you're like,
you know what, this nothing is gonna come to me.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
I have to fight for what I want and continue
to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
I think I think it's a bit of all of it.
I think it's my my upbringing, knowing that I I
wanted to have a bigger life than the life that
was born into the neighborhood that I grew up in,
w which I love, and it it sharpened me and
gave me that grit right that you're talking about. Uh
(13:45):
So I always you know, when I first got into
this business and I saw how how daunting it is
and how challenging it can be. Yeah, I leaned into
my childhood. I was like, yeah, but look where you
came from. Mm, with the stuff you had to put
up with as a teenager and all the things that
you had to get through.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, this is nothing.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
This business don't have anything of the people in the
business that are making the change, the making the decisions
about what gets greenland and what doesn't blah blah blah blah.
I'm like, they can't touch you, so just keep going,
keep going.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Are you thinking of yourself when you say thinking about
my childhood? Are you thinking of Terry a specific age,
a version of yourself that you're pulling from.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
No, just my childhood growing up in the neighborhood that
I grew up in. I you know, it was just
to be honest, as a very drug infested, gang related neighborhood,
had a lot of friends that were doe boys and
young bangers and all that stuff as a teenager and
navigating through that as a young girl and getting phone
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calls did you just hear that such and such just
got shot or this person died? You know, at such
a young age, getting those kind of call, that's basically
that's trauma, right. And if I was able to navigate
through that and still go on to want to go
to school and want to go to college, and want
(15:14):
a better life for myself and want just that desire
that never the light never went out, I don't know.
And that's the light that God put in me. Yeah,
that's the light that God put in me that I
wanted more. I wanted a successful life. I wanted to
be a successful black business woman, Like I just had
(15:35):
this vision of myself of being that. Yeah, and so
that is what just kind of drove me through my years.
And you know it can't stop now, No, it continues
to go.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Would you say you have become that?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I think I've become that. And then and then there's more.
And then it's more because I think after you, after
you achieve a goal that you set, that's not the
end of it. Then you get another goal, Then you
get another goal, keeps yes, because you're living and you're
growing and you're learning more.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
So there's always more.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I think that's interesting, learning more.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
And then our definition of what success looks like because
obviously we've been watching your career, we see when the
peaks are happening. Is there a moment or a season
in time that you can recall where to us, you
look like it looked like everything was fine, you were
at the height of your career, but then when you
would go home and the doors would close, you're actually
dealing with something.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I would say, even now now it looks like all
shiny and glowy and and there is a side of that,
but there's still a lot of things that go on
behind the scenes that I have to deal with, that
I have to navigate through, that I have to continue
to pump.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Myself up for. So I would say, yeah, now.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Right now, yes, in this season, in this season, yes,
and then you it's never what you's just smiling though,
you're just smiling away.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yes, because that is a that is true too. I'm
still very blessed and very grateful and very thankful. I
love to have fun and I'm not gonna not have
my joy because i have so much to have joy about.
So I don't dim the light on that aspect of
it because there's other things that are being juggled and
(17:31):
figuring being figured out. Yeah, at the same time, that
doesn't kill the joy and the light that I also have.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
So it's just, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
It's a part of it. Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I'm really surprised to hear that, because, like I said,
like just from the outside looking in, you just really
never know what people are going through, and sometimes people
are literally on the brink of smiling to keep from crying.
I've been there in life where I'm just like, Okay,
pull it together. But I feel at the precipice of
(18:03):
me just getting ready to just talk or be present.
I can feel like I'm about to break down, and
how do I actually.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Hold it all together?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
And how can I still make my life meaningful and
purposeful in the midst of what I am actually going through?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I love that you even think of it in that way.
How can I still be purposeful?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Even in this season? That's huge.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
M I think that leaves the door that's the unlimited list, Yeah,
that I speak of. It's like, that's how you get
to it because even though you're going through whatever it
is you're going through.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You're still looking for the light.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You're still looking for your uh, your gift to give
out to the world, even in the midst Yeah, of
feeling that.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, spot on.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm curious to know in your creative process, cause a
lot of people look at you and like, Okay, how
does she get these opportunities? How has she been able
to navigate and evolve over time? Is there something that
you would say specifically that you did practically or tactical
that helped you get to this point that other people
can start applying if they find themselves wanting to follow
in your footsteps.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Very simple. You don't give up.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Really, I just everybody says that there's.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
No stop secret, stop no, because you're gonna sometimes you're
gonna feel overwhelmed, you're gonna feel like, oh shit is
not gonna happen. You're gonna feel those things. But you
still get up, you still make the calls, you still
keep going even when you don't feel like it. That's
just it. It's that's the only way to win. It's
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to not stop.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I know people say that and it sounds so cliche,
but it's it's literally between that response or the same
be consistent. That's consistent. I wonder why do we make
it so like, why do we make it so different?
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Because it feels because it sounds so simple, don't stop.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
But what you're feeling is so many blocks and so
many like so it so you're looking for something that
has to be deeper difficult, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
And some people have trauma bonding to where like they
feel unsafe if there's not something negative going on, that's
difficult going on.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So I think a lot of times you attract that stuff.
It's morealized because, like you said, that's our comfort zone. Yeah,
that's where we feel safe. If there's no chaos or
no struggle going on, we'll find it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, just to add, just to add to us calm down,
which it sounds crazy that that chaos will calm you down,
and that is your safety mechanism for you to feel
like you have to navigate.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
But if you know that about yourself, then the key
is to let's fix it.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Let's work on it.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
And how can I get past that? Because inviting the
chaos and the stress.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
That's that's what kind of does it.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, it's like, let's not invite it. Yeah, life is
gonna bring up its own Like I don't want to
be a part of bringing none of that exactly. I
am only trying to bring the joy, the light, the fun,
the laughter, the healing.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, all of that, that's what I want to attract.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Only all the other stuff. Okay, it'll come, but I'll
be equipped to him.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Are you looking to really attract a role that shows
maybe a particular range that we haven't seen from you yet.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
I just like complicated women because that's who we are.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Complex.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yes, we're flawed, we're strong, we're powerful, we're weak, we're
you know, we're very complex, and I like any role
that gives me the opportunity to show all of those layers.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Be a perfect person because that's just unrealistic. I don't
have all the answers. Yeah, I cry a lot, I
laugh a lot, I stumble, I fall, I get up
a trip again. I do all those things. So I
like characters that do all that. Yeah, that are vulnerable
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and spastic and crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And I like it.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Obviously, one of your most.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Well known roles, Levita als Yes, do you get tired
of people bringing that up? Do you feel like if
you were to think back to that specifcific role and
that specific moment in time, is there something that you
would saying you owe to Levita.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I gave LaVita all I had, and I love that character. No,
I don't get tired of it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, I mean she's in she was great, incredible.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, she had a lot of layers to me, and
so I purposely felt like I took my time to
present her in the most loving, protective way that I could,
because I know Labita's.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
I am a Lalita.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I wanted to be protective and represent all the Lavida's
in the world with the best of my ability, the
m you know, with my love and my care and
all the things.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
So I feel like I I did.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
That for her. Is there a role that you would say,
if I could go back, I would make this adjustment
or this tweak and do it differently and add to
that specific character.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I can't say specifically.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I would just say, like, probably any of my earlier roles.
I feel like, of course, just being more seasoned now, yeah,
I could play it better just because I feel like
I'm a better artist now. Yeah, I've experienced more life.
I'm a lot more open and ready to give at a.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
High level all that is within me.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I don't have a need to hold anything back. And
I think being able to be open like that, yeah,
and play a character and give it all, I think
that just makes a difference. So I just think with
age and learning and being wiser, I would play any
of my earlier roles.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yeah. And I think that's interesting. Right.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You're in your fifties, right, so as a fifty in
an actress in her fifties, talk to me about that
when you wake up and say, Wow, I'm this age
and I'm still doing what I love. I know, there's
a lot of agism in terms of like the film industry,
and you can quote unquote age out. How have you
been able to stay relevant in the midst of being
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able to offer something as you've grown older animal speak?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Really just feel like I'm better, so you know, and
I think that I've seen not just myself, but so
many of my peers embrace our age, right, It's like
we wear it like a badge of honor.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Nobody's like hiding it, like all the.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
People used to have, like r history, my background, like
black women.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You don't ask no woman her age exactly.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So when did that? When do you think that shift happened?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I think that shift happened with my generation. I really
really yeah, because when I think about all my peers,
whether it's Gabrielle or Essence or Tracy sharing NC, any
of Nicole And if you think about any of these
amazing talented we all talk about being in our fifties.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
All of us talk about it.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
None of us are hiding it anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
And I think it was the generation before us that
did because only, yes, only because of our work and
the world really made you feel bad for being older,
which is crazy because the alternative to not getting.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Older is not being here dot.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'd rather keep getting older and just take care of
myself to you know, still be flies, still yeah, be
who I am and all the sasas and the sauce
and the and all the things, all the things. But
I love saying that I'm fifty yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Or I'm fifty six now.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Wow, I just turned fifty six a couple of weeks
ago related birthday.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
That's incredible, And I think.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
That is something that a lot more women need to
start adapting and embracing, because there's so much that you
can gain in terms of being able to tap in
with who you are and where you are in that
season and embracing that moment and being present with where
you are.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
How would you define purpose.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Something that is your God given gift that you give
to the world.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Mm.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
My purpose, I feel like God bless me with the
talent to.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Be a light to make people laugh. Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I feel like I'm a light in a room when
I step in, and my job, my purpose is to
give that, to give that out to you, whether it's
in person, yeah, whether it's through my characters, whether it's
through a story.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
That I wanna tell.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I wanna bring you some light and some joy in
the midst of everything that we have to deal with.
I think we deserve to still lean into our joy
no matter what.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, I love what you just said. I and I
wanna unpack that a little bit. That idea of when
you walk into a room, Comma, whether that room be
like a boardroom, an audition room, a screening.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
How have you been able to do that?
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Cause so many women I think that's what kills them
put in the car before the worse, not having confidence
and right, not having that presence to be able to
stand up and be their full selves and take up
space with where they are.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
How have you been able to navigate that?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
What advice would you give to women who feel like
they still shrink in rooms where they should stand tall?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know it really again, it comes just with maturity
and aging, because I think when we're younger, we are
always trying to please people. We wanna be accepted, which
is totally I still do. I still wanna make you happy.
I still wanna ye be pleasing to you, but not
to my detriment, not to me shrinking down or being
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something that I'm not to make you feel better. I
have no desire to do that or be that anymore, cause.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
It doesn't serve anything. Yeah, doesn't serve you.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I'd rather show up wholly as a lion and you'd
be like, WHOA. So then now you're you've just glowed
up a d a notch more because you're matching what
I'm bringing into the room, right, And I feel like
a room full of bright lights is a.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I don't want to be the only bright light in
the room. I don't. So my.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Wish from my purpose is I want to shine as
bright as I can, bring as much light.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And laughter so that you are free to do the same.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
So you can just start laughing and now your light
is going up and.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Bright and brighter light.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
That's what I want to do. And I just think
the comfortability just comes with getting comfortable with who you
are first.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
And if there's something about you that you are not
happy with, you are the only one who have the
power to change that.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Whatever that is.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
If that is spirituality, spend more time on the floor,
knees legs crossed, spending time within the spirit is within
you find that if it is about you your health
eat better. You can choose that exercise, you can choose
that it's all things that are in your power to
do right, and you just have to want it bad
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enough to do it. And that's what I like to
remind people that nothing on the outside has.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Power over you.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Mm, nothing on the outside has power over you unless
you give it, yeah to them to.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Have power over you. M.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Your power is within your power to do everything is
within you.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
You already have everything.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You need everything, Wow, everything Trust trust that God gave
it to you, cause he did.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Just trust it.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
And I feel like so many people are just walking
around not trusting that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, in terms of trusting what God has given you.
How have you been able to find that balance kind
of recently that juxposition of like being content and being
present and like, wow, this is what's in front of me,
this moment is in front of me, but also still
having the dry they've to want more. How have you
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been able to kind of balance those two ideas of
being ambitious but also being content with what's what you've had.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Well, I think.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Again, my work, my spiritual time is where all that's
where it starts. That's where the peace and the joy
of where I am settles me. Makes me feel great
about the things that I've accomplished the things I'm living
right now, the people in my life. But just as
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much as I embrace that and I appreciate that, I
also appreciate the hopes and dreams that God still has
in me. I am not making them up. Yeah, They're
given to me mm and I have to honor those
just as much as I honor being present in the
moment and loving where I am. I also feel obligated
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to seek and and still go after the hopes and
dreams that God has given me. Yeah, I can be,
I can settle be Like, Okay, I did it. I
wanted to sell a show, Yeah, and I did it.
But that's not all I s I still have more
shows to do. It's not because I d n because
I'm crazy and I just wanna create these challenges for myself. No,
(32:24):
it's because God gave it to me, and.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I have to honor that.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, I have to honor it or else I'm doing
not just myself a disservice. I'm kind of slapping God
in the face by not so you see.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
It more as a responsibility. Essentially.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Absolutely, Wow, Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And I like that because I tell people in terms
of like being able to have faith and tap into
what God has showed you is have you have to
see it before you see it?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
And it goes back to what you said with.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Like, if you've already seen it in your mind, then
that means that it can exist one thousand years real life.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
But it's so.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's kind of this far out wool and people are
like thinking of it in that term. But that ability
to really hold on to an idea, to hold space
for an idea for so long that you can see
it fully manifest. Do you believe in manifestation alignment? How
have you seen that in your life?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Ms? Governor?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Wow, that is something that I envisioned in my mind
years ago, seven or eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
So when you step on set for the first taping
from something that was just once in your head, then
on paper, then in a conversation, and I'm on set
and not.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Just that, Now I'm on set. Now I'm doing it
now a eternal TV and it's ready there see it. Oh,
that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
So it works.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I know, I just know, I believe. I believe on
a whole other level. Yeah, And I think that's what
it takes.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Is there something that you had to do to make
that happen, cause it isn't just like thinking about and
holding space for it. There are steps that you took
in order to kind of get yourself in that position. Yeah,
was it you being strategic about networking?
Speaker 4 (34:15):
What were some of the things that got you to
that space?
Speaker 2 (34:17):
It literally was trusted my instincts in the moment, Like
I knew, I knew what I wanted to do, I
knew what I wanted it to look like, I knew
I wanted to be on Netflix. That was a part
of it. It was in my journal.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Wow. And so.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
That quiet space where I tell you to sit, sit
with your legs cross on the floor, and the quiet space,
that's where like the steps were given, call this person,
what about this person? And like literally I'll be like,
oh my god, no, I'm not calling that person.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And it was like call that person. So I made
the call. It was j And that was the step, yes,
step of the way with stuff like that, Uh, like
I don't wanna call Yeah, that's gonna look weird there.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
What are they gonna say?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
All make sense?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
It doesn't doesn't matter, do it anyway. So it was
a lot of that along this process. Of getting MS
governor on Wow. A lot of the do it anyway,
do it anyway, believe it anyway, Uh, that didn't come through,
or that person said no, doesn't matter. Believe it anyway,
It's still gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Okay, And I did. It was literally those conversations.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Wow, so beat by beat you just kept doing that.
Is that almost a reflex now for you or is
it something that you still kind of like, oh, where
you're just like, oh, that's weird, I wanna do that,
or now you have have you learned to kind of
lean in to that.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I do lean into it, but it's still I still get.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You know, the feelings like, oh my god, no, I
don't want to do that. That's gonna be weird, you know,
all those things. Those thoughts still calm. But again, the
more you work the tool and the more you spend
going in, yeah, the stronger you sharper in yourself.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And I think something that you mentioned that I'm actually
learning from myself for the first time in a long time.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Is that idea of taking a beat, taking a moment
to like slow everything down.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah. I think we get so ambitious, we get so excited,
all these things, all these things, all these opportunities. Okay,
this person, this person, and it's just like whoa whoa,
whoa whoa whoa whoa whoah, Like.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, calm down, I have to do that all a lot.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Calm down so that you can hear me. Yeah, you
know that's what God is saying. And so for you
to say, like to take that moment to kind of
just go in. My husband says, it's quote. If you
go don't go within, you go it down. And when
you do that, when you create space, you allow God
to be able to speak to you so that you
can know specifically the things that you have been called
(37:08):
to do and that power of rest. Yes, And it
may not make sense to anybody else.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
That's where the bravery comes at mm.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It can only make sense to you and not to
anyone else. And you feel like this, I probably look crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Do it anyway?
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Do it anyway?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Do it anyway, believe it anyway.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
I love that of it anyway, I love that well.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I wanna thank you so much for this time and
what I got from it.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
That idea of doing it.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Anyway, believe anyway, I think is gonna carry on for
people who are just needing that encouragement and needing that
extra umph in their life and in their day. For
a person who is like you know what, I feel
like this is the end of the road for me.
What words of encouragement would you have for them?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I don't need Uh. How could it be the end
of the road for you when you still just woke up? Mm,
there's still more to do. You just gotta trust it.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
The end of the road is when the road is ended.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I the road is still going, the road is still
being built, the road is still happening. So how can
it be the end of the road.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
It can't be. Yeah, that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, if you say it out loud to yourself, oh
this is the end of the road, it.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You can still get up and walk, you can still breathe,
you can still laugh and still watch something and be inspired.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You can still I don't know, kiss your baby, you
can still whatever it.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Is, all the things.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Yeah, you still have something left in you.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, it's not the end of the road until it's
the end of the road.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I love that. Well.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I am excited to see what your journey continues to do,
how you continue to impact and evolve. If you were
to kind of envision yourself at the peak of your success, right,
you're at the top of the mountain and you're looking down. Oh,
you're saying, God, Wow, what does that life look like?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
That life looks like. TJV Enterprises has several You can
turn on the TV and see about ten sitcoms and
starring amazing, talented, beautiful black women, and they're all different stories,
different levels of life, and you can see reflections of yourself.
(39:47):
So I'm seeing those ten shows on air. I'm seeing
Emmy Awards for those shows. I see plenty of time
with peers and friends of us on set working, my kids,
thriving in life and their own hopes, dreams, goals. Yeah,
(40:11):
and me and my husband just basking.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I love it, basking and all of it. You know,
I love that for you.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Going to vacation wherever we feel like it, right, was like,
where do you want to go today?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yes? Yes, yes, And doing.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
The work when we feel like mmm, not because we
have to, but because we want.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Wow, that sounds I know, it's an amazing life.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
That sounds.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Get working there.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
I love it. Well, thank you so much for coming on.
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
We're all going to continue to watch you shine, be
that light in the room everywhere you step into. God
has already created that provision and gone before you.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
So I appreciate you coming on and saying yes. You're
like one of the most down to earth.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Chill cool people that I that I've met, And so
thank you for saying yes to being on, because.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Thank you for asking. It's important. Thank you, thank
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