Q&A Episode #4

In our latest episode of the FindJodi Podcast, team members Caroline Lowe and Scott Fuller answer questions about our efforts in Jodi's case.

Topics include: the recent location of possible human remains around Iowa, the Adventures with Purpose group, the condition of Jodi's car, her access to technology, and more.

Questions for future episodes can be emailed to: [e-mail]

Anyone with information about Jodi’s case can reach out to the Mason City Police Department at [phone]. Information can also be provided to the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigations at [phone] or [e-mail].

You can also contact us at FindJodi.

Episode Transcript

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Before sunrise on a mild summer morningin June nineteen ninety five, a twenty
seven year old television news anchor namedJody Husten Trutz hurriedly left her apartment in
Mason City, Iowa, headed forwork, but she never arrived, and

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her disappearance has never been solved.In two thousand and three, two television
news reporters created finds Jody dot com, a website dedicated to preserving Jody's memory
and keeping her case alive. Thisis the official Find Jody Podcast. Welcome

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back to the Find Jody Podcast.We realize it has been a while since
we have been here in your podcastfeed. We wanted to talk about that
before we got down a long listof questions that we've been compiling that have
been sent in that various people haveemailed to us. Kind of questions we've
collected over the past several months.I think it has been a while since
we've done a Q and A episode. This will be our fourth Q and
A episode for this time around.We are joined by Find Jody team member

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Caroline Low. Caroline, good tobe with you again here on the podcast.
Good to catch up with you againas well. Quite sometimes since we've
put an episode out, and weshould address that right away. We were
on a bit of a regular releasefor a year plus when it came to
episode schedules every other week or so, and then we got to a point
where we've sort of revealed all theinformation that we wanted to for the backstory

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of Jody's case for anybody that's notfamiliar with it or wanted to learn more
about it. And after we gotto the anniversary points, you know,
we're not going to put out episodesfor the sake of episodes. We want
each release to have its own,standalone inherent value. That one reason.
But it also has led to questionsI know that you and I both have
gotten. I'm sure the rest ofthe team as well. Is there anything
new since say June, since aroundthe anniversary, have there been any developments

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in Jody's case? And I guessthe outward answer to that is not really
any of those vandalized billboard developments oranything like that. No, not,
Sadly, there's nothing like that.And as you pointed out, we really
operate on dual tracks. We dohave the very public track what's on our
website or podcasts. We have thirtytwo thirty three episodes so far, and
then behind the scenes, we doa lot of digging and we do other

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things, but in terms of thepublic part, there's not been much.
Quite a bit of work behind thescenes we can touch on today, but
nothing even behind the scenes that givesus any hope that there's been any significant
development. And I should qualify thatwith saying that we're aware of if there
were something going on internally, wewere not aware of it. With internally
referring to the investigators, the policedepartment, its DCI or FBI, YEP,

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if they're working on something that isvery active in Jody's case, that's
specific, we wouldn't necessarily be awareof that. People should know that that
we operate independently from the police ona volunteer basis exactly. And many times
there are things going on like digsand there's a search warrant you something like
that, then you hear about them, typically in other cases I've covered as
a reporter, but there's been nothinglike that. There's been nothing that we

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have found filed. There's nothing wehave seen visibly. This haven't been occurring
directly connected to Jody that we're butwe've are aware of. So we'll get
to some news stories that we've coveredhere on the website at find Jody dot
com and that we have posted aboutsince the anniversary. One of those was
the resealing of the John Van Sissearch warrant from twenty seventeen that we've included

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online on the posts and as wellas in past episodes here. But it's
a common question when that warrant hasbeen resealed for six years, I believe
now here in a row, soI wanted to bring it up and addressed
again in the Q and A episode. What is the status currently of that
older warrant? How long is thatlikely to stay sealed? Which we've also

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talked about before, but worth addressingagain a couple of things. That warrant
from twenty seventeen has been resealed everyyear, as you mentioned, and I
don't think it'll be unsealed until thecase goes to court, or perhaps even
after everything's resolved. So they keeptoo much of a chance from investigators and
the county attorney's perspective of information thatcould be in the probable cause statement that

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investigators made to a judge to convincethem to sign the warrant that could be
harmful to the case if it gotout again. Anything we know about it
is just speculations, so we don'tknow what's in there, but I don't
think both ever see it not beresealed year after year, and we should
mention that warrant also, according tothe police chief, a couple of years
after it became public, did notproduce any evidence. So we know it

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was basically on two vehicles that Johnvan Seiss had a connection to that we're
not around back in nineteen ninety fivewhen Jody's appeared. The suspicion. Suspicion
is that perhaps they were looking intowhether John van Seisse, the owner who's
connected with the vehicles, may havebeen using one of them to go to
say a burial side or something likethat. In Iowa. Nothing like that
ever happened, but it was certainlyhas created a lot of speculation. Don't

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think we're ever going to see thelight of day until the case is resolved.
And it's not unusual for warrants likethis in a case sort of like
this ongoing, active, higher profilecase, it's not uncommon for those warrants
to stay sealed perpetually until there issome kind of resolution in the case,
and even then it can take sometime after the closing of a case exactly,

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and so it'll be a long time. But I'd know it because you
said it comes up every year.We touched on it. Every year we
check in on it to The resealingdate is in September. So this year
they did it a little bit earlier. They did in August atally, which
caught our attention, but I thinkit was just a matter of getting it
done. There was no significance tothe sealing it resealing it sooner. Sort

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of a follow up to that question, are we aware of any other search
warrants other than the aforementioned twenty seventeenvehicle warrants? Any other search warrants in
Jody's case that we're aware of.No, Nope, not anything that we've
heard of in recent years. There'scertainly her car was searched the number of
years ago. There have been othersearches over the years, but this is
the only one we have heard ofin the last four, five or six

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years that we're aware of. Well, I can think of one dealing with
a freezer dig that people might haveseen on the recent television production of twenty
twenty. It was there was asearch warrant for that, which is also
sealed. But there is no otherwarrant dealing with any other person that I'm
aware of specifically, But no,and it should point out on the warrant

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we're talking about with the vehicles thathappened in twenty seventeen, we weren't even
aware it existed in twenty eighteen whenwe got a tip a follower who had
just happened to be looking at Eyeof a Courts online and looked up John
Van Siss's name and saw a referenceto the vehicle. So we checked there
regularly, and I know others doas well, but we have not come
across anything in recent years, right, And there may be other warrants that

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there would have to be some kindof a warrant if they want to go
search anything anybody anything like that,obviously that's something police have to get.
But if there are any, we'renot aware of any others. Correct.
This isn't a question about a specificepisode of the podcast with Julia Cowley,
who was the former FBI profiler thatwe had on a few episodes ago.

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The question was would it be helpfulto release a profile of what Jody's abductor
or abductors might be, what kindof personalities, and what kind of tendencies
they might have. Would that bedo we think helpful to release to the
public in Jody's case? I don'tknow if it would be helpful per se,
but I don't think it would beharmful. This one way to answer
your question. I can't imagine aftertwenty seven years that putting together just basically

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a profile that the FBI has puttogether many many years ago of who but
who they think fits the description basedon the crime scene, based on Jody's
victimology. I don't see how thatcould be harmful and what I would be
excited about there is, Yes,there may have been an original FBI profile
when they were working with local andstate investigators on Jody's case, but a

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how might that have changed now twentyseven years later? What would they think
about a perpetrator who is twenty sevenyears older? And also what's come along
in profiling where thinkings might have changedin terms of how you address a specific
suspect angles and what's the best practicesnow that you could apply to it That
wasn't necessarily the case in ninety five. That's a really good point, and

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I think our interview that we didwith Julia Calli, who was the lead
profiler on the Golden State killer investigation, provided some insight to us as well
that we had not thought of before. So I can't think that it would
be harmful, and I don't knowmaybe in fact they have done an updated
version. Certainly we would not benotified if they have a question about the
scene itself back in the parking lotin nineteen ninety five having to do with

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Jody's car. And we should remindlisteners that we did a post in an
episode about tracking down Jody's car actuallyin present day with its current owner,
and you can go back and readand listen about that. But the question
about the car from the day of, was there any damage that we're where
off to Jody's car other than thekey which was slightly bent and the driver's
side mirror which was bent forward towardthe front bumper. No, the car

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was left totally intact, and asyou said, it's still on the road
to this day. As far aswe know, it was a great condition,
so that I don't think that wouldlead us anywhere other than maybe figuring
out where Jody was, figuring outwhere the crime occurred. But the car
itself was not damaged. Yeah,during the struggle itself, but we're not
aware of obviously any damage from thatday could have been repaired by now,

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certainly, But you get a prettygood look at the car from news footage
from all angles and pretty close up, and there's no indication. You can
see how bent the mirror is,but there's no other damage to the driver's
side, the passenger side. Iwas looking maybe on the hood during the
struggle or anything like that, butyou can't see anything from the news footage
in terms of other damage. No, not at all. There's a question

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about the weather on that day ofand the question is how do you think
the weather helped to benefit Jody's abductoror abductors, or played any other factor
in the case. And the weatheris not something that we've spent a whole
lot of time talking about, Sothat's a good question. Well, it
wasn't raining, which that had tohelp an investigation. It wasn't raining at
a time, but there had beensome rain and there was the drag marks

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of footmarks in the silt leading awayfrom Jody's car, so that may or
may not prove to be significant,but it gave them something. Overall,
I don't really think of the weatherbeing a key factor. Nothing else jumps
out at me. How about you, No, not really. It was
a very rainier well I should say, rainier than average June up until that
point, all the way to thetwenty seventh. And of course we know

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Jody's Monday was spent not golfing outsideas she had planned, but the chamber
golf event was rained out and soshe spent a good amount of time inside
that day. So it had rainedthe twenty four hours prior to the abduction
a pretty decent amount. But asyou say, there's no rain on the
day of. The only thing Ican think of is when it comes to

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maybe that pom prince. We're notsure who left it, whether it was
the perpetrator or who knows who youknow, in the days before, but
the rainie car might be a factorin pointing maybe toward the pomp print being
more relevant. But that's just speculationon my bark. Really hard to say.
Did Jody have a computer, Yes, she had a computer at work.

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The fact herd director said that herdesk and the computer, the computer
was taken, the desk was searched, so they did a thorough investigation right
there at the station. And rememberone of her colleagues remember the desk being
empty for a while where her computerhad been. But in terms of another
computer, Jody did not have alaptop or anything that we're aware of back
then, so that was something thatwe've confirmed. Her area, her desk

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area at work was definitely processed.For whatever the practices were back in nineteen
ninety five, it would be totallydifferent today, the forensics on the computer.
Everybody would have at least some kindof computer somewhere to look through,
if not a cell phone, andthen they would run all the things that
they can do forensically with computers.Now. I'm not sure what that would
have been in nineteen ninety five,and a time when I'm sure it's well

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below fifty percent of computers were connectedto the Internet at all. Back in
ninety five is very early on.I think what I would be inclined to
look for if going back then,is see if Jody had made any notes
on the computer, if she'd writtenanything, you know, I think of
how I use my iPhone with mynotes section. Was there anything like that
that might be revealing. I wouldimagine that would be something that they would
look at closely, and maybe acalendar feature. But even back then,

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I think it was maybe easier forpeople to have that date book physical date
book. The younger listeners may notbelieve how you had to write down actual
dates and what is that appointments?Yeah, well, this race is a
good question. When these things comeup, I have to take away from
today's the way things are and goback to whether it's cell phones or laptops,
just what were things like in ninetyfive and things were not as advanced
twenty seven years ago. The toolsthat we have now, Jody didn't have

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back then. And there is adate book that her friends are aware of
seeing recently to her abduction that hasnot been found. There's one of her
address books, right have not directorieshave not been found as far as we
know. So here this summer,with the drought that we've seen all over
the country part of a contributing factorhere to a lot of stories recently about
human remains being found in various partsof Iowa, and naturally people are familiar

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with Jody's case, think of couldit possibly be Jody connected to her case?
And obviously we have the same thoughtsas well. But the question for
the team is when something like thathappens, what's our procedure, what sort
of our drill as you call it, when there's a possible event that could
involve Jody. Well, there,first of all, I thinks. Keep
in mind, if something's found inIowa. You know, we automatically,

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our followers automatically think of Jodi,But there are more than three hundred missing
person cases in Iowa, so therecould be any number of possibilities, but
are from the first things we dois go right to the local law enforcement
agency, look see if there's anythingon their site, call the sheriff or
whoever's in charge of that jurisdiction,try to get some facts on what they
think they have. We reach outonce we get some information. We also

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let Jody's sister know Joanne because sheoften hears from others, they'll hear something
in the news out of Iowa,to try to let her know just how
viable, how credible the information is. Sometimes we posted some of the things
on our website. There was oneback and believe that you did with that
the one in Marshall, which soundedinteresting back in August, so you want
to elaborate on that one. Thatwas again a drought condition. I think

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they eventually determined the river there beingso low, and so one of the
first things we did, as yousay, is contact the local law enforcement.
That part is frustrating because they're movingat a very methodical speed and it's
going to take days to process thescene, collect any additional evidence, and
then months, weeks and months toidentify could it have something to do with

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any missing case or in the casethat you're referring to, the remains turned
out to be prehistoric, which rightvery surprising, I think to everybody,
but that was the determination. Sowe get the sort of news flash right
away, and then we have tohurry up and wait for often running and
more recently, just in October,there was one in Clinton County and the
other part of the state and ifbones was found were found in a landfill,

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turned out to be in this reallyshocked authorities who were convinced it was
human turned out to be get thisa medical grade replica with an even human
So we end up not putting thatone out to talk to the people down
there, and we just we stillhave to do as much work, and
you do the drill and you seeif there's any air, if it's an
area that Jody might have had anyconnection with. I know, on the
previous one that we talked about thatyou've worked on, you went to the

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database at the Apartment of Public Safetyhas a missing persons and you found a
woman in that area who'd actually kindof been missing missing a while. That
might fit. We thought, well, that's more likely more on the surface
than Jody. But you do thedrill, You do the digging. You
talked sometimes the local media to seewhat they've found out, check in with
the sometimes the Mason City Police orDCI, and they generally don't say very

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much. But the typical thing we'llhear from DCI is we're aware of it,
we're looking into it, but butwe at least check it out.
And we have decided more sided morerecently not to put everyone on our site.
We can talk about that a littlebit. We did put the one
that you did, but Marshall,but I think the feeling is, you
know, just by putting it thereplants a seed and people sometimes only get

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half of it, so we aren'tgoing to put each and everything that's found
in Iowa well on our site.You and I and the rest of the
team know this professionally, but it'sa great reminder for everybody when you're posting
on social media or anything like that, just even in conversation, just to
hang on, because that case inAugust to find in August is a great
example. I was pretty convinced thatthe remains would belong to this woman,

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elderly woman who ran away from anursing home, and they found her purse
very nearby where her remains were eventuallyfound, and the timing seemed right from
the public information, and her pursehad been located right away, but she
hadn't. I was thinking that wasif the direction it was going to go.
But you wait for the information becauseit turns out these are very very
old remains, prehistoric Native American remains, they think. So that's a lesson

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in just hang on, you know. I know it's frustrating, but we'll
get our answers eventually, and that'spart of why we were rolling it into
this podcast as well. We're tryingto find the right format to answer some
of those questions, but to notelevate it to the level of connecting it
to Jody if there isn't something thatgives us a reason to believe there could
be a connection. And as youmentioned about these, our decision to post

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these events as if they come upor not. The site is find Jody
dot com, and she's the principalfocus of our project, and there is
some inherent connection to Jody. Ifwe were to post about anything, the
reader the listener might wonder, well, it might have something to do with
Jody if the people that find Jodyare posting about this. So we're kind
of aware of that and cognizant ofthat as well, which is why when

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remains aren't found that don't have alink necessarily to Jody, or a story
like we've had here in the lastcouple of weeks of a woman claiming that
her father may have been responsible formultiple murders in the southern part of Iowa,
and that's still very early on,but we wouldn't post to that because
we wouldn't necessarily want people to inferthat Jody might have connection there. I

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mean no exactly, And we're gettingquestions on that as soon as I mentioned
we had this upcoming podcast, wehad it on or somebody. People are
asking, and I should point outthat I did talk to the chief deputy
in Fremont County and he told methat all of they've gathered so far from
this woman as they're trying to determinethe credibility of her claims, is anything
that happened within the seventies or eighties. So even if there is a serial

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killer, but that her father isa serial killer, not likely to be
somebody with any connection with Jody.It goes way back. Again, that's
behind the scenes. We're going tomonitor it, but that's as far as
I don't think anything appoints in thedirection of Jody, and it's so far
away from Mason City as well.Aside from the timing that you just mentioned,
I think the fact that the stateboundary just happens to be the way
it is contributes to people. Youknow, Iowa is Jody and missing person

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case, and the connection is madein a lot of people's mind, But
if you took that same direction intoMinnesota, far fewer people I think would
make that correlation, just because ofa state boundary exactly I think it shows
the intense interest in Jody's case.Immediately, I mean my phone, my
text messages were lighting up. Iwas hearing from networks calls back in New

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York asking about the serial killer inIowa. That's all they hear is serial
killer Iowa. And then the nextleap is it Jody. There is another
question that we get recently as well, from time to time as things in
pop culture on TV and on theinternet become popular. CC Morris TV show
is another example of this. Whenshe was and she's doing amazing things with
parabon and her genealogical research. Veryimpressive woman. But because she had a

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television show on, we would getall these cc more questions about Jody.
We'd have to explain there is noknown offender DNA to be tested in Jody's
case. More recently, then,there's a YouTube group called Adventures with Purpose,
which is a dive team that goesaround trying to locate various items.
Sometimes they have to do with unsolvedcases. And so recently we've gotten quite

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a few questions about Adventures with Purposein connection with Jody's case. Can you
explain why or why not they mightbe applicable here. Well, given the
number of questions on our own interests, we reached out to them and they
were graciously got back right away.They based all read of the quote.
They said, We've had quite afew inquiries about Jody's case. Our team
specializes in sonar research and recovery ofvehicles which are underwater due to an accident

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or self infliction, with Jody's vehiclecounted for and foul play a possibility in
or disappearance, This unfortunately, isnot something that AWP would be able to
assist with. So bottom line isthat there's not a vehicle. They go
after vehicles, and they've had.Just a few weeks ago they located another
vehicle in Vermont, this scot Theygot a lot of national attention when they
helped in the Kylie Rodini Rodney casein California where they located her the young

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Truckee, California teenager's vehicle. Butagain, we don't have Jody's vehicles right
there in the parking lot. Theydon't search for bodies, they search for
vehicles. And I love what they'redoing, especially in cases where people and
their vehicles are missing. At thesame time, I love what they're able
to uncover in the resources that they'revolunteering. But as you say, and
for the reasons they point out,it's just not applicable in Jody's case.

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Other prominent cases also sort of getlinked in with Jody, at least in
questions to us. Recently, therewas a conviction in the Kristen Smart case
after twenty six years, So avery similarly cold case is Jody's, and
the question has to do with whatare the odds then of also Jody's case
being prosecuted in a nobody homicide asthey call it. Let me just recap

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a little bit about Kristen's case becauseit's one that I worked a little bit
on as a news manager in SanLuis Obispo County, California, where Christ
disappeared. She was a nineteen yearold college student walking back to her dorm
room after being at a party,and another student who was escorting her back.
Has been a prime suspect almost fromday one, and her body's not

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been found. As you mentioned afew years ago, A podcast was created
in twenty nineteen, Chris Lambert's YourOwn Backyard explored some things, generated some
new leads I got some witnesses tocome forward and really was a key factor
working along with the investigators and finallygetting a break that led to the conviction
of Paul Flores for Christian's homicide withouta body. They're difficult cases to solve.

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We had the nobody expert from formerfederal prosecutor here on our podcast several
months ago talking about those cases.You can solve them, but they are
very difficult. You need a lotof other evidence. Jody's is an exceptionally
difficult case. The cases where yousee solving the clear resolution or ones like
Christian where you had some forensics,you had eyewitnesses seeing her going back to

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her dorm, heading toward her dormwith the man who is a prime suspect.
None of the kind of things thatwe strong circumstantial evidence and forensics have
we been aware of in Jody's case. So it's possible, but very It's
tough, and as I'm sure ifyou're well aware of law, enforce or
prosecutors get one shot if they wereto charge anybody and the person's found not
guilty, if they came up withmore conclusive evidence down the road, they

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don't have another bite at that apple. So to speak. Yeah, so
it's doable, but they're really tough, and they're always tough. I can't
imagine a tougher one than Jody Houstontruth. Because of the lack of physical
evidence where we have the palm printwhich could be related to the case,
it would depend on whose palm printit turned out to be, for reasons
that you've explained in the past.I mean that would prove that this person

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was next to Jody's car sometime,you know, which is not enough to
put them in the parking lot thatmorning, and without witnesses. Yeah,
as you say, exceptionally difficult casethat there are techniques that I know law
enforcement will use in nobody cases totry to get the confession side of things
going. I don't want to saythat it's a hope less case talking about

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Jody's but prosecutably, from where westand today, it would be very difficult
for the reasons, certainly based onwhat we're aware of. And I I
was in San Luisibispoke County. Ifthey are interviewing the sheriff with the reporter
that I work with on this story, and they just had they have the
resources. They have lots more resourcesthan Frankly, I think Jody's case has
had in recent years. But youcan have resources, but if you don't

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have evidence, it's one tough battle. And on top of it, one
of the points that the nobody guypointed out to us in our interview with
him is that even with convictions,most of the time the killers do not
lead authorities to the body, andthat would just be the most heartbreaking thing.
You may have some justice if youget answers, but Christian's case,

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she's still missing. Jody's case wentto trial tomorrow and somebody were convicted.
You don't. You may or maynot lead to Jody right. Also,
recent developments outside of Jody's case,this was a good bit of research by
you. They're recently signed into lawby President Biden was the Victims Family's Rights
Act. The Homicide Victims Family's RightsAct a couple of months ago was signed

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into law. So is there amechanism for anybody Jody's family to request a
federal review with that new federal law. Unfortunately not the way the laws written,
it can only cover federal cases.For example, if one happened other
reservation, if it was clear cutJody has been transported across state lines,
so it could be something that's afederal case. Any number of something like

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that they could, but going alongwith that law, which had strong bipartisan
support, and I think you're goingto see a lot of families requests reviews
once the thing is up and running. It'll probably take about a year supposedly
to get all the things in place. But according to Congressman Swalwell's office,
who wrote the bill the law,they are working closely with Georgia right now
and encouraging states to do companion thingsmodeled after the federal law, where a

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state could enact something and allow familiesto requests. So in Jody's case,
who would take a law in Iowato be something that parallels the federal law
if her family wanted the opportunity orany family in Iowa wanted the opportunity to
ask for an outside pair of ears, the original the investigators who have worked
on the case or not included inthat. Then they have to put together

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report and do something that comes outof it. So I think it's a
step in that direction, and I'mclosely watched what happens in Georgia. It's
gotten through I believe one round,but I don't think it's in law yet.
And a similar piece of legislation Iknow has been introduced a couple of
times in Iowa as recently as atleast a year or so ago, that
we I think talked about on oneof the Q and A episodes of the

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podcast. But there was a lotabout that law that we wanted to get
some clarification on. For example,our resource is going to be added to
or simply moved around to make investigatinghomicides from a state level more difficult with
fewer resources, and questions like thatthat are kind of in the text of
the law. But you're right aboutGeorgia and this federal law. Hopefully some

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states will look at the concept andthen apply some additional funding and resources as
well to the investigators in state bystate at the state level. Well,
and we're going to continue to followit. And the fact that you know,
these days, there's not a lotthat's bipartisan in Washington, if you
will, and to think that kindof collective support cross the aisle support would
lead me to believe that something likethat could happen in Iowa and other states

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and victims families. It may notsolve things, but it never can hurt
to have another pair of eyes fromour perspective, We do that ourselves.
We often reach out to other investigators, people who have solved cold cases in
law enforcement and ask what should webe asking? What can we learn that
might help us be more effective?Because our main thing is keeping Jody visible,
So think of other more creative waysto help keep Jody visible. We've

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done billboards, we do our podcast. Are there some other ways that might
penetrate to reach somebody who knows somethingand prompt that person to come forward,
Come forward to Mason City Police,DCI, FBI, or if they won't
go to law enforcement, to cometo us. But as our motto is,
you know, don't sit in silence. The time to talk is now.
Yeah, And that's kind of howI'd like to end our episode.

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It's amazing how many very interesting,specific tips that we continue to get,
even after twenty seven years, andwe do what we can with that information.
I want to encourage anybody during thistime of year around here, if
things get cleaned out, you know, parts of property is that aren't explored
with hunting are further explored. Sokeep your eyes and ears open and if
you think you have some information,no matter how small, no matter if

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you heard it from somebody, orit's something you find somewhere or whatever it
might be, make sure somebody knows, whether it's us or the police or
the state investigators at the DCI.That's our mission is to be here to
remind people that Jody is still missing, her case is still unsolved, and
somebody out there has probably more thanone. Somebody's have the answer to what
happened to Jody. And if youhave more questions, we often get some

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the same questions over and over.As you mentioned, we have three other
podcasts. It deals with questions andanswers. So if you want to go
back and listen to the podcast,tell your friends about it. The more
we get our podcasts out there andkeep it visible, the more chances of
getting that piece of information. Wesaw what happened with the podcasts in Christian
Smarts case. I believe they reachedsomebody internationally spread of that podcast. Maybe

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there's somebody that hasn't heard our podcaststhat we could connect with who would come
forward to law enforcement or to findJody with answers and as always, you'll
find the contact information in the shownotes for this episode, Caroline, thank
you so much for the time,and we'll just keep going, keep at
it. Thank you. Find Jodyas a nonprofit run by volunteers with a

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mission of keeping Jody's unsolved case inthe spotlight. Anyone with information about Jody's
case can reach out to the MasonCity Police Departments. Information can also be
provided to the Iowa Department of CriminalInvestigations. You can also contact find Jody
anonymously if you prefer don't sit insilence. The time to talk is now.

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For the entire Finds Jody team,I'm Scott Fuller. Thank you for listening.