July 5, 2022 • 29 mins
In our effort to help find answers in the 1995 disappearance of Iowa television news anchor Jodi Huisentruit, keeping her case visible and not forgotten is a key focus of FindJodi.
We are grateful for the recent coverage by local, regional and national news media of our memorial gathering on June 27th at KIMT-TV in Mason City, IA.
It was 27 years ago on that day that Jodi was abducted outside her apartment on her way to anchor the morning news at KIMT.
In the latest FindJodi Podcast episode, team members Scott Fuller and Caroline Lowe share reflections about the event, and the status of the case 27 years after Jodi's disappearance.
Special thanks to KAAL-TV for providing the event audio used in this episode.
If you have information about Jodi’s case, you can reach the Mason City Police Department at (641) 421-3636. Or you can share information with the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigation (DCI) at (515) 725-6010 or via email at dciinfo@dps.state.ia.us.
You can also reach us anonymously at FindJodi: (970) 458-JODI (5634) or via email: Team@FindJodi.com
We are grateful for the recent coverage by local, regional and national news media of our memorial gathering on June 27th at KIMT-TV in Mason City, IA.
It was 27 years ago on that day that Jodi was abducted outside her apartment on her way to anchor the morning news at KIMT.
In the latest FindJodi Podcast episode, team members Scott Fuller and Caroline Lowe share reflections about the event, and the status of the case 27 years after Jodi's disappearance.
Special thanks to KAAL-TV for providing the event audio used in this episode.
If you have information about Jodi’s case, you can reach the Mason City Police Department at (641) 421-3636. Or you can share information with the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigation (DCI) at (515) 725-6010 or via email at dciinfo@dps.state.ia.us.
You can also reach us anonymously at FindJodi: (970) 458-JODI (5634) or via email: Team@FindJodi.com
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Before sunrise on a mild summer morningin June nineteen ninety five, a twenty
seven year old television news anchor namedJody Housen Trutz hurriedly left her apartment in
Mason City, Iowa, headed forwork, but she never arrived, and
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her disappearance has never been solved.In two thousand and three, two television
news reporters created find Jody dot com, a website dedicated to preserving Jody's memory
and keeping her case alive. Thisis the official Find Jody podcast. All
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right, Caroline, So a weekago, over a week ago Monday,
we could go today, the twentyseventh. As we record this, we
were in Mason City for the twentyseventh remembrance event for Jody, sort of
a combined memorial and advocating for hercase at the same time in front of
KIMT. Now that we've had acouple of days to decompress and kind of
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process, where are you at?What does it mean to your perspective now?
One of the things I kept processingwhen I was there as I looked
at the photoboard. I've worked onthat photoboard for about a month, getting
photos from Jody's family, her goodfriends, her college friends, and trying
to put represent twenty seven years ofJody's life, which with about sixty photos,
and then thinking there's another board that'sblank in life, the twenty seven
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years of memories not made, photosnot taken, and that just really struck
me of just how long Jody's beengone, how long her family, her
friends, the community and beyond havewaited for answers. Being there in person
and hearing her college friends Amy,Beth and Katie, and then her friend
from Long Prairie Candy share their storiesreally brought Jody to life again. Jody
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being able to live with her,we realized how she got everything done.
She didn't sleep. She lived lifeto the fullest and by example, she
did everything one hundred and ten percentto her school, her friends, her
career, and it was so importantfor her to keep in touch with people.
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And she also, like Katie said, would be the last person to
go to bed because she had towrite her cards, she had to look
at her magazines to keep up withwhat's going on in the world, get
all her things done right in herjournal. She'd fall asleep on the floor
with her bedroom light on, saidJody, go to bed, turn off
her light, and she'd be thefirst one up every morning with all full
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makeup, glamorous out the door beforeany of us were up, So she
fit everything in. It was soimportant for her to get together with her
friends and keep in touch. She'dalways say, you know, keep in
touch, and she always wanted tome to do people. Later on,
when I was married and living inthe Twin Cities, when she'd come to
visit, I always knew. Soyou have to remember, back then we
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didn't have cell phones and you hadto pay a long distance. So anytime
she came to stay with me,I had to carve out time for Jody
to get out her big address book, get on my phone and call every
friend that lived in that area codeand leave a voice phone, not a
voice melodia answering machine message or keepin touch because keeping in touch was so
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important. She also was in somany weddings I think she was. I
wonder how many times she's been abribe to me. She was in my
wedding. There is a funny pictureof her over here in my wedding,
So everyone was there. They don'tremember my wedding, they remember Jody because
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Jody got up on the table witha microphone, and she can't say.
We're just telling Amy that she's like, she's saying she can't sing, that
she cannot sing, and she's sayingleader of the Path, which was something
she had done in a high schoollike talent show. And she was up
there with her mouth wide open,just doing the actions of room and room.
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And that is what every single personcovers from my wedding and the fact
that she caught the bouquet and rippedthe whole top of that dress up because
she's so competitive, but she isjust the life of the party. Everyone
felt like she was their best friend. She had that ability to make every
single person feel like she was theirbest friend. So often we get focused
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on the victimology of Jody and whatwe can learn and what might do to
help us get answers in the case, but it really came home the loss,
the promise, and the loss ofthis young woman was long gone twenty
seven years ago. At the sametime we were standing in front of her
TV station. As I mentioned stthere, one of the things that stayed
with me has suck with me isat that same time, ten thirty in
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the morning, Jody should have beenfinishing the new newscast after having done the
six am newscasts with the weather guyKevin and with Amy Cohon's producing. Instead,
Amy had to go on the airJody was gone, abducted. It.
It was very sobering. That's aword I've used in Poignant, that
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it's very sad. And when you'rephysically there, even a quarter century plus
removed, it's very real. Andbeing there in the day or two beforehand
two brought a perspective of you onthat Sunday. But as we were sort
of touring the area and talking withpeople that we work with with find Jody,
thinking about, you know, thiswas Jody's last night and there's no
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indication to her that we know ofthat something is going to happen like that
the next day, And how fragilelife is in that instant that people talk
about to the point where it's acliche. But it just happened in a
moment, And to think twenty sevenyears after that, we're still looking for
answers. It's hard for me toprocess. It's hard for me to wrap
my mind around totally. And Iget asked all the time, after all,
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we've done, what do we think, where is it going? Do
you have hope? I couldn't keepgoing if I didn't have hope. I've
seen it before, and I've mentionedJacob Weterling's case a number of times.
I saw after twenty seven years JacobWeterling was found. That's what keeps me
going. At the same time,there's a lot of frustration. There's a
lot of humility thinking what have wemissed? What clue is there? When
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we were back at Jody's apartment lookingat it, I think think it hits
me over and over is what asmall, complex, small setting that was
for this crime to happen? Andwhat is there something still there? That
crime scene minus the evidence, isstill very much the way it was twenty
seven years ago. Is there somethinghere? Is there a hiding spot?
Is there something that we just havemissed, others have missed? It nags
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at me and it's frustrating when Ihop on a plane and leave the area
to not have the answers. Ithink it's hard not to have doubt.
Every of these anniversaries that comes andgoes is sort of that reminder of me
of how much more difficult the caseis going to be to solve, but
you sort of have to physically forceyourself to put the doubt out of the
way, because if everybody approached everycold case like this from the standpoint of,
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well, it can't be solved becauseit's been so long, then nothing
would be solved. If it goestoo much longer without anybody reminding the public
this is a person who is missingin her case is still open, then
just by the nature of time,people are going to forget. It's just
what happens as time goes on.And beyond that, we're researching and taking
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in the tips that we get,and not just this time of the year,
but all around the calendar, andpeople have asked me in the last
week and immediate interviews, is thereanything new, Is there anything you can
tell us, any big developments?And it really hasn't been a public development
like her journal being mailed to thenewspaper or our billboard being vandalized or something
like that, or the birthday videobeing released. Yeah, so that there
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hasn't been much publicly that way inthe case. But we know, working
with the information that we get,that there's plenty of stuff that we're still
discovering about Jody that we didn't knowtwenty seven years ago exactly, and one
of the reasons so we created twentyseven years twenty seven facts is as kind
of a fluid document for us andfor the public to keep updating it,
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and I recently updated the thing.On the date on Jody's birthday party,
We've often heard that it was SaturdayJune tenth, but when we actually got
a physical copy from one of herfriends of the invitation, it was Friday
June ninth. Yes, it's spilledover into the tenth because it went early
the next morning. But you knowwhat little piece like that that might be
significant, might explain down the roadwhere somebody was if they find somebody that's
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tied into the party, and wehave no reason to believe anybody is,
but you never know, and that'swhy we try so hard to make the
timeline as accurate as we can,and Jody's helped us going through the photos
from Jody's album, her notes onthe back when we wondered about certain dates
of things, trying to reconcile whenshe had this position or went here or
there. Jody often had the namesand at times right there in her own
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handwriting on the photos. So she'shelping us. Wherever she is, she's
still helping us in we need helpfrom other people who maybe have a photo
with Jody's handwriting on our note orsomething, anything someone might have talked away
in their memory, tucked away thatthey've saved. I hope they'll contact us
because maybe that could be a piece, even in the timeline puzzle, to
help us find out what happened toJody. Well, we're obviously missing pieces
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to the puzzle, and it continuesto amaze me what we don't know that
we're still discovering that we didn't know. We've mentioned on a previous episode there's
a picture of a man in Jody'sapartment that she took earlier that spring,
and we haven't been able to identifyhim conclusively yet. There was also an
incident involving Jody's car in the TwinCities area that we don't know is related
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to her disappearance sometime later, butthe fact that we weren't aware of that
it was an event that people fouror five people close to her back then
still remember the details of right Andto clarify, that was her previous car.
It was Honda CRX and it was. We don't know exactly when it
happened, but it was again somethingto completely do Jody. You need to
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know anything that's ever happened in herlife, relevant or irrelevant. Everything needs
to be part of her victimology,her background, and well we wonder what
else could be out there that wejust don't know about. But I am
struck every year or two that wedo that event. There are so many
other cases that we want to giveattention to and that deserve as much attention
as Jody's gets. I'm aware often or twelve cases just in that county
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in Iowa that are unsolved and deserveanswers as well. As we've talked before
on our Missing Person's episode of thepodcast, this is what we're able to
do on a volunteer basis is continueto raise awareness Jody and hopefully through Jody,
other cold cases. But I dohave a problem focusing on other cases
when this is still such a lingeringquestion because we've become so invested in this
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right and working on Jody's case isso consuming. As you know, as
you said, we're all volunteers,were opposite ends of the country, and
so we have logistical challenges all kindsof things, and we're doing the best
we can, and there is aspecial connection we've all. I will say
I personally feel with Jody from mydays in Minnesota. She's from Minnesota,
she was to us who covered her. Initially, this was not a national
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story as it's so much become.This was a Minnesota journalist who went missing
and is still missing, so thatwill always be a driving force for me.
It's very relatable. She's part ofour extended news family, so I
feel an obligation. But I've alsocovered many other cases, as you have
mentioned, and one of the onesthat stays with me that we've talked about
briefly before is Grace Esqueville. Shehad disappeared befoty years next June, and
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her flyers been up next to Jody'sin the Mason City Police Department. I
would love to see the local mediado more coverage on that because local is
key, and we talked about thisat the most recent anniversary as much as
we've had a lot of national attention, and it does keep a big spotlight
on Jody. I think the answersare most likely in northern Iowa or southern
Minnesota and That's why it's so important, so that the local media there and
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in the Twin cities continue to cover, continue to keep the pressure on,
to keep Jody visible and make surepeople know that her case is not solved.
I've run into people who thought thecase was solved, and because of
that, the thing I've seen inother cases over the years, if that
mentality is out there, people mightfeel it's not necessary to come forward because
they don't realize that something case hasn'tbeen solved, so it's not solved.
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If you have information, as we'vesaid so many times before, contact the
Mason City Police or the Iowa DCI, or if you're not comfortable going to
law enforcement, reach out to us. But as our billboard said, don't
sit in silence. The time totalk is now. And that's really why
we do the event every year.It's a humanize Jodie first of all,
that she's not just a missing person. She's not just a file. She's
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a person with friends and family memberswho this still affects. You talk about
that ambiguous loss all the time,but the primary motivation, the purpose of
these events is for that piece tocome in. Because Jacob's case is a
great example of a case that didn'thave that forensic link that solved the case.
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Like we see these forty fifty yearold cold case assault with genealogy,
which is amazing and great and whoknows where science may take us next,
But there was no science in Jacob'scase that was going to solve it and
lead to the answers. Initially itwas that information that came in and then
eventually the thing and then eventually,yeah, they used the as in Jody's
case, they needed the ball toget rolling down the mountain. Once it
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does happens pretty quickly. But wedo the event every year to make sure
that people in that area specifically knowabout Jody's case, the basic facts of
it. And then we have thiswebsite of the most You're an information that
we can compile that people can goto to learn more and then reach out
to the police or reach out tous, and that reminder every year.
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That's an important reminder because who knowswith the passage of time. One thing
that twenty seven years does play inour favorite bit is the relationships change ex
husband's, ex boyfriends, uncles,whatever it might be. If that one
person can be aware of the factsof the case and start to think about
whatever it might mean to them intheir relationship. I think at this point
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science and technology would be amazing,But I think at this point that's how
this one's going to get solved,is someone stepping forward. And Jacob's case
had so much more going for itwhen you had two eyewitnesses, his brother
and his friend who are with them, and a lot of other things that
Annie also had a blogger's joy bitbaker who continue to keep it public.
Patty Wetterling, Jacob's mother. Itkilled her to get out and do what
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she did, but she kept itvisible. As I'm talking to you,
I'm holding a stone that Patty gaveme and has hope on it, and
she gave it to me when Ileft Minnesota for California. I brought it
with me to Mason City because Iknow that cases can get solved. I
never imagine the day I'd be coveringJacob's final chapter, and I just hope
to be covering Jody's final chapter.And as I said the others to someone
recently, I really hope we cango from fine Jody to found Jody.
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And you don't have to think ifyou're listening out there that you're right in
your assumption. We're used to thatthere was a name that was originated by
us, that we were researching overtwo or three months here in the last
year, that I was really excitedabout it. It might prove to be
something. Come to find out itcouldn't have been. That took two or
three months twenty seven years later toconfirm all the details and all the dates
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of But as frustrating as people mightthink that is, I view it as
one step because you can check thatbox, you know exactly, we know
what it's not. You know onemore thing of what it might not be.
And you and I always talk aboutthat we're looking for rocks to turn
over. We just need to beresearching to the extent we can some tip
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something and so don't hesitate to comeforward to us or the police. And
one thing that the police have saidabout Jody recently is, even if you've
come forward to the police before,bring us the information again, maybe you
know a little bit more. Maybe, as these things do in case files
that are so huge, maybe itwas overlooked, just as in Jacob's case.
So even if you've brought it forwardbefore, if you think it's being
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ignored bringing forward to somebody else.It's a very good point. And back
to Jacob's case. I'll never forgetthe first time getting a call from a
report I work in Minnesota with thename Danny Heinrich, and I said,
who I mean? For years afocus had been on the neighbor rest here,
who had turned out had nothing todo with Jacob's case, but I
had not heard that name before.It turns out had been looked at somewhat
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early on, but in the endit was not somebody that most of us
had on the radar, and thatsomething could be a parallel going on with
Jody's case as well. Is theresomebody still in that area who stayed in
that area or knows something in thatarea who's been overlooked, which is something
that the FBI. The former retiredFBI profiler that we had on the show
Fingers, our most recent episode,she mentioned to us that it may well
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be somebody who is there because he'sprobably from there and he's probably comfortable with
the fact that no one's rested himfor Jody for twenty seven years. That
last episode that we released, Igot a lot of positive feedback on and
It makes me think that we shouldutilize whatever resources are available to us out
there in this true crime community whichis grown into its own entity, but
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that does include a lot of talentedpeople, a lot of people with a
lot of expertise, and we absolutelyare looking to accept that expertise for our
group and for Jody's case. Wehave been so fortunate. Julia Calla,
who you mentioned, I'd happen tohear herana podcast hosted by another former FBI
agent, and she was amazing.She was the lead investigator, lead a
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profiler on the Golden State killer case. When I followed closely, I sent
her a message, I said,if you ever have some time, can
you talk? Said sure the nextday and we talked for two hours.
She gave me so much insight andI found it and I know when you
talked to her, it's just kindof reinvigorating to hear from someone with that
kind of expert who's particularly good inprofiling and forensics, to give us an
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outside look at the case, wantingto help. And we did an interview
not too long ago with Ken Means, who's another cold case detective. There
are people out there who have alot more expertise than we do, who
are on the outside, who areinterested, and if there's someone listening to
our podcast, maybe a retired investigatorwho would like to reach out to us,
we'd love to talk with you,because we don't have the answers and
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we are guilty of any if anyoneof the same group over and overlooking at
the same things. It helps tohave fresh perspective. Absolutely. We should
mention that the MCPD was invited tothe event on the twenty seventh, and
with their schedules and the obligations oftheir department, we weren't sure if anyone
was going to be there until themorning of in Terence Brahaska, who is
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the investigator on Jody's case, hewas there. He was initially reluctant to
say anything, but he felt compelledto say a few things about Jody and
her case, and a couple ofthings about his remark stood out to me.
He mentioned science and technology, whichthe department has mentioned before. Ask
my twelve or thirteen years I've investigatedthis case. It's countless people that I've
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talked to. Metz interviewed, andI want you to understand is that we
focus on the new technology that comesabout all the time. We keep trying
to figure out a way to putthis case into our technology that keeps advancing,
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to hope one day find an answerto what happened. Ultimately, what
this is going to be too isjust what like to find Jodie team has
been saying a lot long is ifyou know something, say on if you
want to just give us a callwith your thoughts, You're welcome to listen.
You talk to me directly if youdo that call, and I will
be happy to listen to and answerwhat questions I can and that I guess
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is true in any case that they'rehoping that with the advancement of science they
can solve some older, colder cases. He mentioned something almost about the strategy
of the investigation in terms of themore that we give out talking about the
department, the more MCPD gives outto the public, the easier it is
for the person responsible for Jody tobasically hide some of the feedback that we've
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heard over the years. As youknow, we don't ever get a result
of what happened when I called inon cases like this, is that we
have to we have to understand aswe're just playing a small game with whoever
did this, and the more informationwe tell the information that person could be
receiving to try to hide even furtherif you understand what that means. So
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understand that we take this case asserious as as any other case. And
as me, I take it personal. I used to watch her as I
grew up on TVVA, so beingable to tread to find her has become
part of my writer as well.I think he was partially trying to make
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the point that people will get frustratedthey call in information or they may be
the same thing that they share stuffwith us that they don't hear back or
don't get any elaboration on, andI think he wants them to know that
the last thing they want to dois to tip off Jody's abductor on anything.
And I totally get that. Imean, covered this crime beat for
enough years that there are things thatonly the killer knows and that sort of
thing that you have to be verycareful that you don't intentionally or inadvertently give
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out something. So I think that'spart of the message he was trying to
convey, is that even if youmay not hear back, to not take
it that way, and I thinkhe wanted that audience, particularly in a
group of people that are Jody's friendsor extended her work family, to know
that they're still working on it andthat they're committed to it. He said
something I had not heard before.He said he'd actually grown up watching Jody.
It's the first time i've heard him. I don't know if you've heard
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that, but I had not heardthat before, and I think he just
wanted to underscore to them that hewas still working on very much working on
the case every day. I thoughtthe photoboard that you put together for the
twenty seventh, which I'll keep inmy office here because you couldn't take it
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back on the plane with you.I wish you could have it, but
it'll be a good reminder for me. But I thought that humanized Jody very
well, because we had pictures thatyou found from all the baby pictures all
the way up through high school andafter. It was a good reminder to
me. You know, this isn'tjust a true crime case file, This
isn't just a podcast episode. Thisis somebody who had the hopes and dreams
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that we all have. She hadplans, and she had a direction,
and somebody cut that short. Andbecause it's been so long, you mentioned
the second blank board. That's agood way to put that underscores not only
how long it's been, but howyoung she was at twenty seven. I
think about everything in my life that'shappened from twenty seven onward that Jody didn't
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get to experience, exactly all thethings that are missed. But working on
the photos, when the first packetarrived from Jody's sister, I mean I
just sat there and cried because I'veput together a lot of photoboards for my
children for weddings, that sort ofthing, high school graduations that we all
do, and I was doing theequivalent of that for someone I've never met,
who I was getting to know herin death. And it was at
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it. A couple of the photoslooked a lot like my daughter did when
she was young. The platinum blondeand that first baby picture hit me hard.
And when I see saw the pictureswith her mom. I had gotten
to know her mom somewhat before shepassed away, and I promised her mom
I would stay on the case,and I never was able to help get
answers before she died. But itwas hard. I would just sit there
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and then trying to pick which photosdo you use? How many can you
can you fit on the board,And so it was a very personal experience
and at times you and I've talkedabout this even felt kind of invasive reading
Jody's notes. At the same time, the notes helped me get to know
Jody better and as I said,has helped us with a timeline, and
it would be incredible one of thosetimeline date things was significant in helping to
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get answers. People might ask,well, who are you talking to right
now? Who do you want tocome forward and say something? And I
would say, specifically in that areain North Iowa, did you have any
interactions with Jody in the weeks ormonths before she disappeared? Even knowing that
you saw her and met her ata place two and a half weeks before
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all this happened, you might seethat as totally unrelated. But in building
the timeline, that could be somethingwe're not away, That could easily be
something we're not totally because there's certainthings. Jodie was very visible in the
community. As I mentioned the otherday, she'd often go to Blimpie's or
to get her salad at Perkins.That was very common for her. After
she was done with a new newscast, she would have her hair done probably
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once a month or so. Ibelieve that was in clear Like you talked
with her hairdresser. She was atthe wy she was golfing. She was
so out and about, more sothan perhaps your average person in her position.
So a lot of people had alot of connecting with Jody. If
any of them took a picture alongthe line, I know they weren't doing
that the way we do now withour selfies with our phones. But if
somebody had something at an event,we have no photos from the last event
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she attended, the golf fundraiser atthe Mason City Country Club. Anybody has
anything from that event, we wouldlove to see them. Yeah. And
otherwise, if there's a person inyour life who's forty five to seventy years
old about and talks about Jody inordinatelyin a way that makes you kind of
feel strange, an X, arelative, whoever it might be, a
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former co worker, whoever it mightbe, we and the police would like
to know that information because after twentyseven years, don't discount your thoughts and
your own feelings. It's been along time. This isn't something that's fresh
that you might be overreacting to.I would say, definitely make sure somebody
be at us or the police,whoever, somebody knows about your suspicions and
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your feelings exactly. And part ofthe other part of doing the photo bo
or B size capturing Jody's life andhonoring her is also I hope that that
maybe reaches somebody, that somebody relateswho's looking at one of those photos and
looking at Jody with her mom orher sister, her niece Kristen, that
maybe that might think put them inthe position and what if it were your
sister, what if it were yourniece. And I hope that maybe some
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of those photos reached some of thosepeople that way as well. This past
couple of months, we've been veryconsumed with preparing for the very significant anniversary,
and we will continue to follow upin some things that came out of
that, and we're so grateful forone of the things that did strike me.
Beyond the people who knew Jody whoshowed up for the event, there
were several people who came a longdistance of a couple of the reporters had
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worked at Jody's station, Kga andEva Anderson and then Dion Broxton. Dion's
now in Saint Louis, he feltconnected to Jody. One of the women
he worked with was the anchor KarenFuller, who trained Jodie. Eva Anderson
now works but care She asked tocover the story on her day off.
Other people came from distances to bea part, So I think it just
shows you how much she has touchedthe lives of so many people, and
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we're so grateful for the people whoare able to be there that day as
well. In terms of everybody whofollows along with the case and reads up
on the website. You know,we keep an eye on all the discussion
on the Reddit boards in the forumat find Jody dot com that you can
contribute thoughts and theories to. Themain message that we get out with the
anniversary every year is if you knowsomething, or think you know something,
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or don't even think you know something, but might say something, tell the
police, tell us that is.It was very emotional for me to be
there with people who knew Jody,and you can just see through them the
emotion that they're feeling. But thepractical reason for us doing that every year
is to make sure that as manypeople as possible and know the facts and
know the locations and the dates andthings like that, and the hopes that
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they might connect something. So please, if you do know something or think
you might tell the police, reachout to us. Just make sure that
somebody knows. As we said,don't sit in silence. The time to
talk is now. Find Jody isa nonprofit run by volunteers with a mission
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of keeping Jody's unsolved case in thespotlight. Anyone with information about Jody's case
can reach out to the Mason CityPolice Departments. Information can also be provided
to the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigations. You can also contact Find Jody anonymously
if you prefer. Don't sit insilence. The time to talk is now
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for the entire finds Jody team.I'm Scott Fuller. Thank you for listening.
Before sunrise on a mild summer morningin June nineteen ninety five, a twenty
seven year old television news anchor namedJody Housen Trutz hurriedly left her apartment in
Mason City, Iowa, headed forwork, but she never arrived, and
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her disappearance has never been solved.In two thousand and three, two television
news reporters created find Jody dot com, a website dedicated to preserving Jody's memory
and keeping her case alive. Thisis the official Find Jody podcast. All
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right, Caroline, So a weekago, over a week ago Monday,
we could go today, the twentyseventh. As we record this, we
were in Mason City for the twentyseventh remembrance event for Jody, sort of
a combined memorial and advocating for hercase at the same time in front of
KIMT. Now that we've had acouple of days to decompress and kind of
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process, where are you at?What does it mean to your perspective now?
One of the things I kept processingwhen I was there as I looked
at the photoboard. I've worked onthat photoboard for about a month, getting
photos from Jody's family, her goodfriends, her college friends, and trying
to put represent twenty seven years ofJody's life, which with about sixty photos,
and then thinking there's another board that'sblank in life, the twenty seven
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years of memories not made, photosnot taken, and that just really struck
me of just how long Jody's beengone, how long her family, her
friends, the community and beyond havewaited for answers. Being there in person
and hearing her college friends Amy,Beth and Katie, and then her friend
from Long Prairie Candy share their storiesreally brought Jody to life again. Jody
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being able to live with her,we realized how she got everything done.
She didn't sleep. She lived lifeto the fullest and by example, she
did everything one hundred and ten percentto her school, her friends, her
career, and it was so importantfor her to keep in touch with people.
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And she also, like Katie said, would be the last person to
go to bed because she had towrite her cards, she had to look
at her magazines to keep up withwhat's going on in the world, get
all her things done right in herjournal. She'd fall asleep on the floor
with her bedroom light on, saidJody, go to bed, turn off
her light, and she'd be thefirst one up every morning with all full
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makeup, glamorous out the door beforeany of us were up, So she
fit everything in. It was soimportant for her to get together with her
friends and keep in touch. She'dalways say, you know, keep in
touch, and she always wanted tome to do people. Later on,
when I was married and living inthe Twin Cities, when she'd come to
visit, I always knew. Soyou have to remember, back then we
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didn't have cell phones and you hadto pay a long distance. So anytime
she came to stay with me,I had to carve out time for Jody
to get out her big address book, get on my phone and call every
friend that lived in that area codeand leave a voice phone, not a
voice melodia answering machine message or keepin touch because keeping in touch was so
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important. She also was in somany weddings I think she was. I
wonder how many times she's been abribe to me. She was in my
wedding. There is a funny pictureof her over here in my wedding,
So everyone was there. They don'tremember my wedding, they remember Jody because
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Jody got up on the table witha microphone, and she can't say.
We're just telling Amy that she's like, she's saying she can't sing, that
she cannot sing, and she's sayingleader of the Path, which was something
she had done in a high schoollike talent show. And she was up
there with her mouth wide open,just doing the actions of room and room.
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And that is what every single personcovers from my wedding and the fact
that she caught the bouquet and rippedthe whole top of that dress up because
she's so competitive, but she isjust the life of the party. Everyone
felt like she was their best friend. She had that ability to make every
single person feel like she was theirbest friend. So often we get focused
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on the victimology of Jody and whatwe can learn and what might do to
help us get answers in the case, but it really came home the loss,
the promise, and the loss ofthis young woman was long gone twenty
seven years ago. At the sametime we were standing in front of her
TV station. As I mentioned stthere, one of the things that stayed
with me has suck with me isat that same time, ten thirty in
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the morning, Jody should have beenfinishing the new newscast after having done the
six am newscasts with the weather guyKevin and with Amy Cohon's producing. Instead,
Amy had to go on the airJody was gone, abducted. It.
It was very sobering. That's aword I've used in Poignant, that
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it's very sad. And when you'rephysically there, even a quarter century plus
removed, it's very real. Andbeing there in the day or two beforehand
two brought a perspective of you onthat Sunday. But as we were sort
of touring the area and talking withpeople that we work with with find Jody,
thinking about, you know, thiswas Jody's last night and there's no
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indication to her that we know ofthat something is going to happen like that
the next day, And how fragilelife is in that instant that people talk
about to the point where it's acliche. But it just happened in a
moment, And to think twenty sevenyears after that, we're still looking for
answers. It's hard for me toprocess. It's hard for me to wrap
my mind around totally. And Iget asked all the time, after all,
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we've done, what do we think, where is it going? Do
you have hope? I couldn't keepgoing if I didn't have hope. I've
seen it before, and I've mentionedJacob Weterling's case a number of times.
I saw after twenty seven years JacobWeterling was found. That's what keeps me
going. At the same time,there's a lot of frustration. There's a
lot of humility thinking what have wemissed? What clue is there? When
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we were back at Jody's apartment lookingat it, I think think it hits
me over and over is what asmall, complex, small setting that was
for this crime to happen? Andwhat is there something still there? That
crime scene minus the evidence, isstill very much the way it was twenty
seven years ago. Is there somethinghere? Is there a hiding spot?
Is there something that we just havemissed, others have missed? It nags
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at me and it's frustrating when Ihop on a plane and leave the area
to not have the answers. Ithink it's hard not to have doubt.
Every of these anniversaries that comes andgoes is sort of that reminder of me
of how much more difficult the caseis going to be to solve, but
you sort of have to physically forceyourself to put the doubt out of the
way, because if everybody approached everycold case like this from the standpoint of,
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well, it can't be solved becauseit's been so long, then nothing
would be solved. If it goestoo much longer without anybody reminding the public
this is a person who is missingin her case is still open, then
just by the nature of time,people are going to forget. It's just
what happens as time goes on.And beyond that, we're researching and taking
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in the tips that we get,and not just this time of the year,
but all around the calendar, andpeople have asked me in the last
week and immediate interviews, is thereanything new, Is there anything you can
tell us, any big developments?And it really hasn't been a public development
like her journal being mailed to thenewspaper or our billboard being vandalized or something
like that, or the birthday videobeing released. Yeah, so that there
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hasn't been much publicly that way inthe case. But we know, working
with the information that we get,that there's plenty of stuff that we're still
discovering about Jody that we didn't knowtwenty seven years ago exactly, and one
of the reasons so we created twentyseven years twenty seven facts is as kind
of a fluid document for us andfor the public to keep updating it,
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and I recently updated the thing.On the date on Jody's birthday party,
We've often heard that it was SaturdayJune tenth, but when we actually got
a physical copy from one of herfriends of the invitation, it was Friday
June ninth. Yes, it's spilledover into the tenth because it went early
the next morning. But you knowwhat little piece like that that might be
significant, might explain down the roadwhere somebody was if they find somebody that's
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tied into the party, and wehave no reason to believe anybody is,
but you never know, and that'swhy we try so hard to make the
timeline as accurate as we can,and Jody's helped us going through the photos
from Jody's album, her notes onthe back when we wondered about certain dates
of things, trying to reconcile whenshe had this position or went here or
there. Jody often had the namesand at times right there in her own
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handwriting on the photos. So she'shelping us. Wherever she is, she's
still helping us in we need helpfrom other people who maybe have a photo
with Jody's handwriting on our note orsomething, anything someone might have talked away
in their memory, tucked away thatthey've saved. I hope they'll contact us
because maybe that could be a piece, even in the timeline puzzle, to
help us find out what happened toJody. Well, we're obviously missing pieces
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to the puzzle, and it continuesto amaze me what we don't know that
we're still discovering that we didn't know. We've mentioned on a previous episode there's
a picture of a man in Jody'sapartment that she took earlier that spring,
and we haven't been able to identifyhim conclusively yet. There was also an
incident involving Jody's car in the TwinCities area that we don't know is related
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to her disappearance sometime later, butthe fact that we weren't aware of that
it was an event that people fouror five people close to her back then
still remember the details of right Andto clarify, that was her previous car.
It was Honda CRX and it was. We don't know exactly when it
happened, but it was again somethingto completely do Jody. You need to
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know anything that's ever happened in herlife, relevant or irrelevant. Everything needs
to be part of her victimology,her background, and well we wonder what
else could be out there that wejust don't know about. But I am
struck every year or two that wedo that event. There are so many
other cases that we want to giveattention to and that deserve as much attention
as Jody's gets. I'm aware often or twelve cases just in that county
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in Iowa that are unsolved and deserveanswers as well. As we've talked before
on our Missing Person's episode of thepodcast, this is what we're able to
do on a volunteer basis is continueto raise awareness Jody and hopefully through Jody,
other cold cases. But I dohave a problem focusing on other cases
when this is still such a lingeringquestion because we've become so invested in this
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right and working on Jody's case isso consuming. As you know, as
you said, we're all volunteers,were opposite ends of the country, and
so we have logistical challenges all kindsof things, and we're doing the best
we can, and there is aspecial connection we've all. I will say
I personally feel with Jody from mydays in Minnesota. She's from Minnesota,
she was to us who covered her. Initially, this was not a national
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story as it's so much become.This was a Minnesota journalist who went missing
and is still missing, so thatwill always be a driving force for me.
It's very relatable. She's part ofour extended news family, so I
feel an obligation. But I've alsocovered many other cases, as you have
mentioned, and one of the onesthat stays with me that we've talked about
briefly before is Grace Esqueville. Shehad disappeared befoty years next June, and
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her flyers been up next to Jody'sin the Mason City Police Department. I
would love to see the local mediado more coverage on that because local is
key, and we talked about thisat the most recent anniversary as much as
we've had a lot of national attention, and it does keep a big spotlight
on Jody. I think the answersare most likely in northern Iowa or southern
Minnesota and That's why it's so important, so that the local media there and
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in the Twin cities continue to cover, continue to keep the pressure on,
to keep Jody visible and make surepeople know that her case is not solved.
I've run into people who thought thecase was solved, and because of
that, the thing I've seen inother cases over the years, if that
mentality is out there, people mightfeel it's not necessary to come forward because
they don't realize that something case hasn'tbeen solved, so it's not solved.
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If you have information, as we'vesaid so many times before, contact the
Mason City Police or the Iowa DCI, or if you're not comfortable going to
law enforcement, reach out to us. But as our billboard said, don't
sit in silence. The time totalk is now. And that's really why
we do the event every year.It's a humanize Jodie first of all,
that she's not just a missing person. She's not just a file. She's
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a person with friends and family memberswho this still affects. You talk about
that ambiguous loss all the time,but the primary motivation, the purpose of
these events is for that piece tocome in. Because Jacob's case is a
great example of a case that didn'thave that forensic link that solved the case.
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Like we see these forty fifty yearold cold case assault with genealogy,
which is amazing and great and whoknows where science may take us next,
But there was no science in Jacob'scase that was going to solve it and
lead to the answers. Initially itwas that information that came in and then
eventually the thing and then eventually,yeah, they used the as in Jody's
case, they needed the ball toget rolling down the mountain. Once it
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does happens pretty quickly. But wedo the event every year to make sure
that people in that area specifically knowabout Jody's case, the basic facts of
it. And then we have thiswebsite of the most You're an information that
we can compile that people can goto to learn more and then reach out
to the police or reach out tous, and that reminder every year.
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That's an important reminder because who knowswith the passage of time. One thing
that twenty seven years does play inour favorite bit is the relationships change ex
husband's, ex boyfriends, uncles,whatever it might be. If that one
person can be aware of the factsof the case and start to think about
whatever it might mean to them intheir relationship. I think at this point
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science and technology would be amazing,But I think at this point that's how
this one's going to get solved,is someone stepping forward. And Jacob's case
had so much more going for itwhen you had two eyewitnesses, his brother
and his friend who are with them, and a lot of other things that
Annie also had a blogger's joy bitbaker who continue to keep it public.
Patty Wetterling, Jacob's mother. Itkilled her to get out and do what
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she did, but she kept itvisible. As I'm talking to you,
I'm holding a stone that Patty gaveme and has hope on it, and
she gave it to me when Ileft Minnesota for California. I brought it
with me to Mason City because Iknow that cases can get solved. I
never imagine the day I'd be coveringJacob's final chapter, and I just hope
to be covering Jody's final chapter.And as I said the others to someone
recently, I really hope we cango from fine Jody to found Jody.
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And you don't have to think ifyou're listening out there that you're right in
your assumption. We're used to thatthere was a name that was originated by
us, that we were researching overtwo or three months here in the last
year, that I was really excitedabout it. It might prove to be
something. Come to find out itcouldn't have been. That took two or
three months twenty seven years later toconfirm all the details and all the dates
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of But as frustrating as people mightthink that is, I view it as
one step because you can check thatbox, you know exactly, we know
what it's not. You know onemore thing of what it might not be.
And you and I always talk aboutthat we're looking for rocks to turn
over. We just need to beresearching to the extent we can some tip
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something and so don't hesitate to comeforward to us or the police. And
one thing that the police have saidabout Jody recently is, even if you've
come forward to the police before,bring us the information again, maybe you
know a little bit more. Maybe, as these things do in case files
that are so huge, maybe itwas overlooked, just as in Jacob's case.
So even if you've brought it forwardbefore, if you think it's being
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ignored bringing forward to somebody else.It's a very good point. And back
to Jacob's case. I'll never forgetthe first time getting a call from a
report I work in Minnesota with thename Danny Heinrich, and I said,
who I mean? For years afocus had been on the neighbor rest here,
who had turned out had nothing todo with Jacob's case, but I
had not heard that name before.It turns out had been looked at somewhat
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early on, but in the endit was not somebody that most of us
had on the radar, and thatsomething could be a parallel going on with
Jody's case as well. Is theresomebody still in that area who stayed in
that area or knows something in thatarea who's been overlooked, which is something
that the FBI. The former retiredFBI profiler that we had on the show
Fingers, our most recent episode,she mentioned to us that it may well
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be somebody who is there because he'sprobably from there and he's probably comfortable with
the fact that no one's rested himfor Jody for twenty seven years. That
last episode that we released, Igot a lot of positive feedback on and
It makes me think that we shouldutilize whatever resources are available to us out
there in this true crime community whichis grown into its own entity, but
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that does include a lot of talentedpeople, a lot of people with a
lot of expertise, and we absolutelyare looking to accept that expertise for our
group and for Jody's case. Wehave been so fortunate. Julia Calla,
who you mentioned, I'd happen tohear herana podcast hosted by another former FBI
agent, and she was amazing.She was the lead investigator, lead a
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profiler on the Golden State killer case. When I followed closely, I sent
her a message, I said,if you ever have some time, can
you talk? Said sure the nextday and we talked for two hours.
She gave me so much insight andI found it and I know when you
talked to her, it's just kindof reinvigorating to hear from someone with that
kind of expert who's particularly good inprofiling and forensics, to give us an
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outside look at the case, wantingto help. And we did an interview
not too long ago with Ken Means, who's another cold case detective. There
are people out there who have alot more expertise than we do, who
are on the outside, who areinterested, and if there's someone listening to
our podcast, maybe a retired investigatorwho would like to reach out to us,
we'd love to talk with you,because we don't have the answers and
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we are guilty of any if anyoneof the same group over and overlooking at
the same things. It helps tohave fresh perspective. Absolutely. We should
mention that the MCPD was invited tothe event on the twenty seventh, and
with their schedules and the obligations oftheir department, we weren't sure if anyone
was going to be there until themorning of in Terence Brahaska, who is
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the investigator on Jody's case, hewas there. He was initially reluctant to
say anything, but he felt compelledto say a few things about Jody and
her case, and a couple ofthings about his remark stood out to me.
He mentioned science and technology, whichthe department has mentioned before. Ask
my twelve or thirteen years I've investigatedthis case. It's countless people that I've
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talked to. Metz interviewed, andI want you to understand is that we
focus on the new technology that comesabout all the time. We keep trying
to figure out a way to putthis case into our technology that keeps advancing,
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to hope one day find an answerto what happened. Ultimately, what
this is going to be too isjust what like to find Jodie team has
been saying a lot long is ifyou know something, say on if you
want to just give us a callwith your thoughts, You're welcome to listen.
You talk to me directly if youdo that call, and I will
be happy to listen to and answerwhat questions I can and that I guess
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is true in any case that they'rehoping that with the advancement of science they
can solve some older, colder cases. He mentioned something almost about the strategy
of the investigation in terms of themore that we give out talking about the
department, the more MCPD gives outto the public, the easier it is
for the person responsible for Jody tobasically hide some of the feedback that we've
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heard over the years. As youknow, we don't ever get a result
of what happened when I called inon cases like this, is that we
have to we have to understand aswe're just playing a small game with whoever
did this, and the more informationwe tell the information that person could be
receiving to try to hide even furtherif you understand what that means. So
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understand that we take this case asserious as as any other case. And
as me, I take it personal. I used to watch her as I
grew up on TVVA, so beingable to tread to find her has become
part of my writer as well.I think he was partially trying to make
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the point that people will get frustratedthey call in information or they may be
the same thing that they share stuffwith us that they don't hear back or
don't get any elaboration on, andI think he wants them to know that
the last thing they want to dois to tip off Jody's abductor on anything.
And I totally get that. Imean, covered this crime beat for
enough years that there are things thatonly the killer knows and that sort of
thing that you have to be verycareful that you don't intentionally or inadvertently give
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out something. So I think that'spart of the message he was trying to
convey, is that even if youmay not hear back, to not take
it that way, and I thinkhe wanted that audience, particularly in a
group of people that are Jody's friendsor extended her work family, to know
that they're still working on it andthat they're committed to it. He said
something I had not heard before.He said he'd actually grown up watching Jody.
It's the first time i've heard him. I don't know if you've heard
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that, but I had not heardthat before, and I think he just
wanted to underscore to them that hewas still working on very much working on
the case every day. I thoughtthe photoboard that you put together for the
twenty seventh, which I'll keep inmy office here because you couldn't take it
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back on the plane with you.I wish you could have it, but
it'll be a good reminder for me. But I thought that humanized Jody very
well, because we had pictures thatyou found from all the baby pictures all
the way up through high school andafter. It was a good reminder to
me. You know, this isn'tjust a true crime case file, This
isn't just a podcast episode. Thisis somebody who had the hopes and dreams
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that we all have. She hadplans, and she had a direction,
and somebody cut that short. Andbecause it's been so long, you mentioned
the second blank board. That's agood way to put that underscores not only
how long it's been, but howyoung she was at twenty seven. I
think about everything in my life that'shappened from twenty seven onward that Jody didn't
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get to experience, exactly all thethings that are missed. But working on
the photos, when the first packetarrived from Jody's sister, I mean I
just sat there and cried because I'veput together a lot of photoboards for my
children for weddings, that sort ofthing, high school graduations that we all
do, and I was doing theequivalent of that for someone I've never met,
who I was getting to know herin death. And it was at
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it. A couple of the photoslooked a lot like my daughter did when
she was young. The platinum blondeand that first baby picture hit me hard.
And when I see saw the pictureswith her mom. I had gotten
to know her mom somewhat before shepassed away, and I promised her mom
I would stay on the case,and I never was able to help get
answers before she died. But itwas hard. I would just sit there
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and then trying to pick which photosdo you use? How many can you
can you fit on the board,And so it was a very personal experience
and at times you and I've talkedabout this even felt kind of invasive reading
Jody's notes. At the same time, the notes helped me get to know
Jody better and as I said,has helped us with a timeline, and
it would be incredible one of thosetimeline date things was significant in helping to
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get answers. People might ask,well, who are you talking to right
now? Who do you want tocome forward and say something? And I
would say, specifically in that areain North Iowa, did you have any
interactions with Jody in the weeks ormonths before she disappeared? Even knowing that
you saw her and met her ata place two and a half weeks before
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all this happened, you might seethat as totally unrelated. But in building
the timeline, that could be somethingwe're not away, That could easily be
something we're not totally because there's certainthings. Jodie was very visible in the
community. As I mentioned the otherday, she'd often go to Blimpie's or
to get her salad at Perkins.That was very common for her. After
she was done with a new newscast, she would have her hair done probably
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once a month or so. Ibelieve that was in clear Like you talked
with her hairdresser. She was atthe wy she was golfing. She was
so out and about, more sothan perhaps your average person in her position.
So a lot of people had alot of connecting with Jody. If
any of them took a picture alongthe line, I know they weren't doing
that the way we do now withour selfies with our phones. But if
somebody had something at an event,we have no photos from the last event
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she attended, the golf fundraiser atthe Mason City Country Club. Anybody has
anything from that event, we wouldlove to see them. Yeah. And
otherwise, if there's a person inyour life who's forty five to seventy years
old about and talks about Jody inordinatelyin a way that makes you kind of
feel strange, an X, arelative, whoever it might be, a
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former co worker, whoever it mightbe, we and the police would like
to know that information because after twentyseven years, don't discount your thoughts and
your own feelings. It's been along time. This isn't something that's fresh
that you might be overreacting to.I would say, definitely make sure somebody
be at us or the police,whoever, somebody knows about your suspicions and
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your feelings exactly. And part ofthe other part of doing the photo bo
or B size capturing Jody's life andhonoring her is also I hope that that
maybe reaches somebody, that somebody relateswho's looking at one of those photos and
looking at Jody with her mom orher sister, her niece Kristen, that
maybe that might think put them inthe position and what if it were your
sister, what if it were yourniece. And I hope that maybe some
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of those photos reached some of thosepeople that way as well. This past
couple of months, we've been veryconsumed with preparing for the very significant anniversary,
and we will continue to follow upin some things that came out of
that, and we're so grateful forone of the things that did strike me.
Beyond the people who knew Jody whoshowed up for the event, there
were several people who came a longdistance of a couple of the reporters had
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worked at Jody's station, Kga andEva Anderson and then Dion Broxton. Dion's
now in Saint Louis, he feltconnected to Jody. One of the women
he worked with was the anchor KarenFuller, who trained Jodie. Eva Anderson
now works but care She asked tocover the story on her day off.
Other people came from distances to bea part, So I think it just
shows you how much she has touchedthe lives of so many people, and
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we're so grateful for the people whoare able to be there that day as
well. In terms of everybody whofollows along with the case and reads up
on the website. You know,we keep an eye on all the discussion
on the Reddit boards in the forumat find Jody dot com that you can
contribute thoughts and theories to. Themain message that we get out with the
anniversary every year is if you knowsomething, or think you know something,
(27:29):
or don't even think you know something, but might say something, tell the
police, tell us that is.It was very emotional for me to be
there with people who knew Jody,and you can just see through them the
emotion that they're feeling. But thepractical reason for us doing that every year
is to make sure that as manypeople as possible and know the facts and
know the locations and the dates andthings like that, and the hopes that
(27:52):
they might connect something. So please, if you do know something or think
you might tell the police, reachout to us. Just make sure that
somebody knows. As we said,don't sit in silence. The time to
talk is now. Find Jody isa nonprofit run by volunteers with a mission
(28:25):
of keeping Jody's unsolved case in thespotlight. Anyone with information about Jody's case
can reach out to the Mason CityPolice Departments. Information can also be provided
to the Iowa Department of Criminal Investigations. You can also contact Find Jody anonymously
if you prefer. Don't sit insilence. The time to talk is now
(28:48):
for the entire finds Jody team.I'm Scott Fuller. Thank you for listening.
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