5PM60: Nevada natives Billy Sullivan and Justus Scott represent the Army's WCAP program

E60 features the unique pairing of Billy Sullivan and Justus Scott. The Nevadan duo have been friends since their youth wrestling days and have continued to achieve one milestone after another as adults. Sullivan and Scott both made the U20 World Team in 2021, they joined Army WCAP together the next year, and late last month they both won the U23 World Trials, which means they will be on a second World Team together. 

Sullivan and Scott -- who are also now roommates -- discuss the previous season as they both worked to contend at the Olympic Trials in weight classes outside of their respective comfort zones. An overview of the U23 Trials is explored, as well, and is followed by banter pertaining to numerous topics surrounding the impressive development their careers have undergone since joining the Army. 

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Episode Transcript

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for e sixty we bring to youtwo guests, not one, but two,
and it's a unique situation in multipleways. But it's a unique situation.
Well, first off, we're doingsomething we haven't done in quite a
while, which is both guests,same time, split up into different segments.

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That's for starters. Even more uniqueis the dynamic between these two gentlemen.
They're both from the great state ofNevada, not Nevada apparently, as
we've learned years ago, it's Nevada. The other part to it. Both

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members of the twenty and twenty oneU twenty World team, and they join
Armies worklous Athletes program together, andnow they are two thousand and twenty four
U twenty three World teammates together.They also are close friends and live together.

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Obviously, I'm talking about Billy Sullivanand Justice Scott. And you know
that because you saw the title forthe episode before you clicked on it,
didn't you. Billy Sullivan. I'veknown Billy since before he won Fargo in
twenty nineteen, back when he wasan eight troop star and traveling overseas and
all that. And then Justice ScottI only got to know starting in twenty

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twenty one when he won the JuniorTrials. And look at both of them
go. Billy Sullivan fifty five kilogramslast year, had to compete at sixty
because of the Olympic year and allthat. And Justice Scott he had been
a US Open champion in twenty twentythree at seventy two kilos, and seventy
two is kind of his wheelhouse,and he had to try sixty seven for

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the Olympic year, and then hefinished up at the oly Trials at seventy
seven. But and we're going toget to all that in just a second.
We're not going to waste too muchtime with a preamble. The matter
is simple, Billy and Justice.They won the U twenty three World Team
Trials just a week and a halfago or whatever it is. By now,

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that's obviously the centerpiece to the discussiondo U twenty three World Team trials
and subsequently training for the U twentythree Worlds, But we're also covering,
just like we talked about weight classstuff, both had to deviate from where
they're normally most comfortable. They wereboth in the Olympic trials. We're getting
into that and some other topics aswell. So let's just run with it,

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all right, let's just start wherewe start. Billy, I'm just
begin with you, not because you'rethe lighter guy, just I think it
it makes sense. Number One,The first question I have, the first
question I have, and have hadis even before Friday, is that this

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year, this past year, Olympicyear, you're wrestling sixty kilograms and look,
you're a fifty five guy. Max. Now, we went through a
very similar stuff in Space himself earlierin his career. You had no choice
if you wanted to compete and skillfor skill, technique for technique. It's

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not like any of these guys arereally beyond your scope, at least not
in my opinion. I'm not sayingthat out of bias or personal affinity for
you. And yet you're gonna dropmatches that if all things were equal,
you probably wouldn't have. I imaginethat's frustrating. My question is how did

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you kind of reconcile it. Imean, I just knew going into this
year I was gonna be a bitsmaller. I was not trying to put
on weight but at the same timeand get a little big, but I
didn't want to gain too much weightjust for the sole fact of I knew
fifty five was going to be comingas well for the U twenty three reason

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for non Olympic seniors, and ofcourse even after this year, one hundred
percent was going to go down nomatter what. So I just kind of
had to, you know, goout there with my best foot and just
knowing my head I could still winthose matches. And you know, they
were like just little mistakes I hadmade in both of the matches at trials

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and in Texas, just same thing, little things I need to work on
and those are just all things I'vebeen working on leading up to pretty much
this tournament and the tournaments that arecoming after just more like stepping stones pretty
much. So you kept a pragmaticstay of mind about it basically. Yeah,
yeah, look looking at it fortwenty eight Justice, you have done

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two things. Okay, it's adichotomy. On one hand, you've made
me look really really smart, becauseI told everyone in the Mother's Cousin back
in twenty twenty one how much ofa beast competitor you were going to be
and how you profiled as an eventualtop to your sort of senior. You

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also made me look really dumb becausecoming from seventy two kilograms into the Olympic
year, I was like, okay, he's got seventy seven written all over,
like he's big, he's got alot of strength for his weight class,

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and like I said, you're young. So I was like, okay,
I did these couple of pieces articlessort of. I guess you could
say predicting projecting is the word Iuse. Where certain guys were going to
land coming from non Olympic weight classesinto Olympic weights, and I had you
at seventy seven and then sure enoughNew York comes, You're sixty Yeah.

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Okay. Now ignoring April nineteen,Stay College, Pennsylvania for a second,
yeap, walk me through the processof deciding to go sixty seven rather than
seventy seven. So I didn't knowif I could make the weight. But

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when I was going seventy two forfinal cts and stuff like that, I
felt like the weight cut wasn't thatbad. So I was like, well,
let me at least try to gosixty seven for NYC because it's sixty
nine. I was like, letme go sixty nine and see how the
cup feels, and then I'll decideif I want to go sixty seven or
seventy seven for the rest of theyear. And then coaches thought that was

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a good idea and stuff. Sowe talked to like Major Caine and got
like a good diet going and stuff, and weight started falling off. I
made sixty nine pretty easy for thatrusselled really good at NYC in my opinion,
Well, you qualified the trials rightoff jump Street. Yeah, and
but sixty nine didn't feel that hard. So I was like, Okay,

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I think I can make sixty seven. So we committed to sixty seven for
December, and then I made sixtyseven pretty easy. But I don't feel
like I like, I definitely feellike it affected my wrestling, especially looking
back at it. But I wastoo stubborn. My ego got in the
way. I was too stubborn tolike just be like, Okay, sixty

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seven is too hard to make,so I'm going to go seventy seven or
we're going to commit to seventy sevenfor trials. And then I tried staying
down there and it just wasn't workinggood for my body. And then I
couldn't make sixty seven at trials,so I had to go up, and
then my head was racing and stuff. But that was the process behind it
was. We were going to testthe waters at NC and I thought they

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went pretty good, so I justtried to stay down there and stay at
that weight. I thought it wasa brave choice. I really totally did.
I thought that the conventional route wasjust seventy seven, just profiles that
way. But when the trials cameand your weight class changed, and I

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can't I can't imagine that that waseasy. Like onumentally leading up, I
mean, I would assume it wasnot. Yeah, we moved me up
literally the day before, right.I remember talking to Spencer Thomas. Let
me ask you this because we hada couple of other guys in the similar
situation, yes, being that youhad already, like I guess, were

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in the throes of trying to makesixty seven when you when it was determined
that it wasn't going to happen,at least not without sacrificing just about everything
that would make you competitively viable.Anyhow, when you waded in for seventy
seven, you said your head wasraising. Did you feel I don't know

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how to word it, but like, did you feel as though it had
put undue pressure off of you?But at the same time you were frustrated
and disappointed that you couldn't do sixtyseven? Is that what you mean?
Yes, because I had I feltlike I had already committed to sixty seven
with telling coach Lewis and Coach Mangoand stuff like that that I wanted to

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go sixty seven for the year andI had already wrestled at it and stuff
like that. So I feel likeI feel like it was like my job
to finish off at that tournament atsixty seven. So when I couldn't make
it, it just felt like Ifailed the team kind of thing. Well,
at the very least, I wouldn'tsay that, but at the very

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least you didn't get the full benefitof like feeling awesome at seventy seven.
Yes, Well, the good newsis, if there is good news,
is that this opportunity on Friday,you didn't have to wait too long for

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it. Both of these. Actually, it's just so strange. It's so
strange in an Olympic year because yourtrials are in April and then everything's after
it, Like just it's weird.Usually the Senior Trials is the last thing
to happen, and instead it's likeno, but it's like a different least

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on life. I think now,Billy, for you, a lot of
people have had their eye on youbeing in this position for a while.
Yeah, this is not a dissto Juice over here. But prior to

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justice breaking out in twenty and twentyone, at you twenty trials, you
were the one out of certainly outof YouTube, but among your age group,
you were like one of the morelet's call it quote unquote wrestling famous
athletes. I'd say, like peoplewere aware of you. People have been
aware of you for quite a while. You knew going into this tournament that

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you were the man to beat,Okay, like you knew it. Everybody
knew it, Like this was okay, great, we don't have to like
beat around the bush and like pretendlike okay. And it's not a diss
to anybody. It's just like Idon't understand why we ignore reality, like
when there's like an awesome wrestler atthe top of the bracket, Like what
are we doing? That said becauseof because there was this expectation heading into

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Geneva, Ohio, you twenty threeWorld Team Trials. Was there any kind
of sense of pressure that you carriedwith you into the tournament? I would
say maybe yes and no, justmore so because like being in the room
especially a lot recently, just beenworking super hard every day, working with

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Ilder, especially just but he's beenputting us through the grinder me, me
and Juice both just putting us throughcrazy workouts and just really prepping us for
this and just pretty much fine tuningus. I felt like I was gonna
be the best that I'd had wrestledin a tournament in forever. Going into

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this event. But at the sametime, it was also I am wrestling
with him every day, and it'sit's definitely like a mental I don't say
killer, but like just being inthat room every day. You know you're
always going to be getting beat upor some days maybe doing the beating,
but like being in that room everyday just pretty much works me to that

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point where I knew I was gonnado what I did this weekend. But
I just had to go out thereand have my first match against someone who
isn't Dalton Roberts, il Darvizov,Dalton Duffield or any of those guys,
to show that these guys aren't them, that they're not in the same caliber
the environment from which you come,I'm sure as an automatic confidence builder,

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I mean it's gotta be. Yeah. It was morely just having that first
that first match to show myself thatI can do the same thing that they
do to me in practice I cando to everyone else aptly put, And
it also had to feel pretty good, I would say, to not see

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a second period. Yeah yeah,yo, I mean it happens sometimes,
Okay, Billy, like it happenssometimes, But when you see that sort
of offensive dominance, like wall towall. My goodness, that's gotta be
I gotta try to trials. Youknow, It's not like this wasn't some

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inconsequential age group tournament, you know, And like you looked first off,
I think you correct me. Itfelt like you also looked strong, like
strong, And I'm wondering if someof that sixty kilogram stuff from this past

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year, like you kept more ofthat than maybe some others might when they
go from sixty to fifty five,if they even do that. Yeah,
I just think because naturally, evenbefore coming down to fifty five, it's
like getting ready for Olympic team trials, just sitting around sixty, I would
naturally weigh like sixty one, sixtytwo on a heavy day, maybe sixty

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three. So like, it wasn'ta crazy cut for me, just as
this was a return to seventy,which is right in your wheelhouse, so
to speak. It's a shame,guys, It is a shame because that

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these just can't be Olympic weight classes. They're so right for so many athletes.
Gosh, like even sixty three.Sixty three used to be an Olympic
weight by the way, Yeah,back generation ago, seventy two is like
a pretty pretty condensed landing spot here. Justice not to beat a dead horse

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because I just got done, youknow, expounding upon the relative Greco Roman
offensive virtues and one, mister BillySullivan, But you were obviously similarly dominant
on your way to the finals.Just for the sake of conversation, here,
kid, what it was the wayin like having to just swoop right
in there at seventy two a placeor you had become comfortable previously, felt

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really good. Weight came off niceand easy, and it just felt like
I was right back at home.I definitely feel like the most comfortable at
seventy two, so felt really goodbeing there again. Yeah, well,
you certainly showed it. The coincidentalpart is that when you major first team

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in two thousand and twenty one juniors, you twenty. I can't stand you
twenty saying you twenty juniors. Itjust feels right that, notwithstanding you wrestled
one Noah walksmooth, you both havesimilarly improved, albeit separately, not in

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the same exact biosphere, I guess. But Noah has done a great job
with his own game, so tospeak, like he's become a very problematic
guy with which to deal from top, he has gained a lot of a

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lot of confidence in that position.I don't know, have you ever wrestled
Noah like in camps and stuff likethat. Not too much, not too
much, Okay, so there hasn'tbeen a ton of time on target.
Everybody who follows this sport, followsour program. They see that that's the

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finals matchup you versus walk Smooth,and like, that's very attractive, Like
you're very very attractive. And arethey going to be super super tight?
Are they going to be brawls?Like? What is this going to look?
Like? You're a more physical typeof wrestler than Noah is. Noah

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is a little bit I think more, I guess. I guess I would
probably say technical, technically minded,whereas you're willing to fight in a phone
booth as we like to say.Yeah, I like how you enthusiastically affirm
that first match goes to him.I don't know if I would say you
were blindsided, but is good fromthat position and whatever? He goes and

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collects match one. Yeah, youknow that in order for you to take
this, you got to win theback end too. What is going through
your mind after match one? Whatare your coaches talk to me about?
Like, give me the scene here. Ildar just had a very we'll just
say put it as a very sterntalking with me. And then you know,

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I've we felt like I just gavehim too much respect on bottom because
and then I was also talking withKamal and he said I put in too
much work on bottom to not havemore confidence in my part tiary defense.
Oh that's what we did or kindof focused on more in the second match,
was instead of focusing on countering hisoffense on top, just focusing on

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my defense on bottom and then makingit a fight. Like from the start,
I feel like that first match Ikind of came out a little slow,
like Noah, get comfortable and determinethe pace of the match. And
then I feel like the second andthird match I really kind of dict dictated
the pace of the match a littlemore and made the match a little more
uncomfortable. You know what, that'sa pretty interesting point because one of the

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things that I think for you anyway, that I've kind of noticed is,
uh, you don't normally take firstcontact for granted, and first contact,
at least in my estimation is oneof the more important components of any match,
and you have only so many ofthem. You have the first contact

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when the match begins, and youhave another first contact whenever there's a restart
and the beginning of the second periodand so on. But it's like first
contacts matter, and some for someathletes it appears that it seems like that
is something they intentionally kind of focuson, and some it's just part of
who they are. I think foryou, that's pretty much just part of

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who you are. The idea ofnot of giving him too much respect,
I think is interesting because while wetalked about it, like from a peripheral
scouting scouting angle, you knew goingin that that was going to be I
mean, well, you also knewthat like his game has become like he

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can be dominant from top right.Yes, okay, so when you're in
between, all right, look atI know Ildar pretty darn well. So
when you say a stern talking toI can pretty easily imagine what that might
have sounded like, a lot ofEastern European inflection and lack of determiners and

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sentences. Was it so much thatyou were in match one anyway? And
I'm not harping on match one becauseyou because it went to Noah. I'm
harping on it just because I thinkit's interesting whenever there's a match one loss
and then you have to win thenext two. Yeah, Like did that

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did the previous idea or stuff inyour head? Like you're just tactically thinking
about Noah as an opponent? Didthat rent space in your head beforehand?
Like okay, like I got todo this against him. I want to
make sure that, like you know, I fight the lock as long as
I can try to time you know, his his where that lock goes moving

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on bottom? Or was this justclear like mental? I guess the first
match like you said, like Iwas, I felt like I was just
focusing on on his stuff too much, you know what I mean, instead
of just going out there and wrestlingthe match that I know how to wrestle.
How's the change in state of mindafter getting matched too? Just intense?

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You know? I uh, I'ma very like emotional person on the
mat, so you know, rightafter that, I do my cool down
and then I'm just kind of talkingiled are very kind of aggressively. I
guess about the match, and thenwhat to do with match three? Oh

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my gosh, I can't even stoplaughing, dude, Like, yeah,
you are intense. Oh my gosh, I remember when it's like it's one
of the best, it's one ofyour it's it's a great attribute in any
wrestler. Okay, because you haveSullivan over here who's intense when he competes

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and like talks to you like asif he's a guidance counselor off the mat,
like that's crazy, or a forensicaccountant or something. And but like
just like like it's like, dude, you get so like amped in your
own customized way that like if ifsomebody were watching you and had no idea

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about Greco Roman wrestling, were justwatching it, you'd be like, oh
my gosh, imagine like seeing thatguy in like an alley somewhere, like
like you exude that kind of likevibe. And I remember when you when
you won the US Open last year, which is a huge deal. You
beat Pat Smith in the US Openfinal, and you get like all sorts

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of pumped up after winning, andthen you like also like tried to like
shift back to sportsmanship mode in theand you're like, hey, Pat,
Pat like, yeah, yeah,I remember getting a kick out of that.
Pat probably didn't, but I did, because, like I get it,

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like you, you're an intense individualjustice we celebrate that about you.
It was definitely just that was justthe mindset to Matt two, trying to
keep the intensity going in that thirdmatch and keep the same mindset that I
had for the second match. Well, this is number two for U twenty
three World teams. It's your thirdworld team altogether, yea third times the

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charm You guys are both in aninteresting position Billy and I were talking about
before hitting the record, but andthe timing of the U twenty three Worlds
is much different than it normally hasbeen, so you don't necessarily have to
wait six months, five months orsomething like that. I wonder how that

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might translate. I think it's agood thing personally. But for you guys,
guys, you're also in an advtageousspot because not only do you train
in the most competitive room in thecountry, but you'll be able to I

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guess, like you know you're gonnabe participating in whatever stuff goes on at
the OTC in July, at leastto an extent. I would imagine and
piece together. However you're training mightcome together. I guess in the later

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parts. When's the Olympics August five, six seven. Yes, it is
so point to it is you guyshave a little bit of runway here,
but you also don't have as muchas some other U twenty three teams in
the past. I would say Isee that as a positive, if only
because it just seems mid November datefor you twenty three is doesn't work for

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the United States just I don't knowwhy. I there's theories about it.
I guess we could talk about ifthey're even worth the time, but just
seems like it's too much space here. There's not quite that much justice.
You've been on a You twenty threeteenbefore, so how do you feel about
it? When we're talking about timing, I agree with you. I like

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getting straight into it right after,like the shorter time in between type of
thing. Last year, I didnot like the date that is at and
then just felt awkward for me.I did not do a very good job
adjusting to that. I think it'sstraight up weird myself, Billy. I

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would really love to hear your perspectiveon this. I like that it's in
that short time frame just because we'regoing to be hitting our training cycle obviously
in the Panamas that's in eighteen dayswe leave, and then there's not much
gap between then two worlds. Soit just feels like the train's going to

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keep going into then and allow usto just continuously get better until that point.
You know what. That's interesting toowhen you mentioned the pan Ams you
know, in the past for youtwenty three and look, I'm not trying
to beat a dead horse, it'sjust a you twenty three is a strange
it's a strange age division for us. It just I don't know why it

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is, but it's like most ofour best athletes in this era kind of
fall within that range, it seemslike. But then we talk about the
timing, it's like, you know, there's usually like a long wait.
You guys don't have that long await at least like we're just talking about

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compared to past years. But atthe same time, if there were a
way to do something before the WorldChampionships go somewhere, like for sake of
argument, a camp or something likethat, would that be ideal or do
you guys just feel comfortable just stickingto the you know, we're staying here.

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We're not going nowhere. Let's justtrain. Talking about like for the
camp why it is like OTC campsand no, I'm talking like somewhere across
the Atlantic Ocean. Mmmm. Jay, you might have the better perspective on
that one. Currently, I feellike it's kind of exhausting staying in another
country for that long. So ifI were to pick what you talking about

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for that long, I'm talking aboutlike a week. Yeah, a week's
a long time in my opinion.You're talking about a week going into the
tournament, right, No, I'mtalking about like, let's say in mid
August, late July, mid Augustsomething. Okay, I thought you're talking
not like how they did it forseniors last year where they went to France,

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the little training area in France andwe stayed in France for like oh
no, no, no, aweek leading into senior World teams or World
Championships. No. No, I'mjust saying like if there. I don't
know if that kind of option iseven available. My question is would would
you? Would that be something youguys want to do? Are you guys?
Yeah? Yeah? I love Ilove going overseas, and when the

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Croatia camp that we just did inMarch before Olympic Trials, that was amazing
experience and I learned so much thereand just getting the wrestle with all the
high level senior European guys and stufflike that was an absolutely amazing experience and
I feel like I got so muchbetter. Great, just let's not send

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juice over long, start arguing withcustoms. I don't even want to be
here. Yeah, that's how youfeel for Albania. Huh. I don't
fancy myself a particularly stupid individual.I didn't realize that Albania was considered a
Mediterranean country. I had always likenedit to like middle Central Europe in my

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mind's eye. I had no cluewhere Albania was. Actually I didn't either
until last year. Yeah, that'swhat I'm saying. All Right, Well
we go on h for this tanksoff the rails, like Corey Hope,
I wanted to one with Elis.That was a good one. It's not
all kinds of different foods and such. Okay, well do you guys understand

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that story? We were talking aboutLamb because Il dhar Is I guess like
like Hawkcore into making Lamb. Sowhat it was is that I was at
work, I don't know, acouple of weeks before the Olympic trials,
and I was on the phone withill Dar on the phone and he's talking

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about making Lamb. He talked abouthow buyers made him lamb, like here,
you make lamb, I make ittoo. Try mine. That's sort
of that sort of situation, andthat Ildhar found it like repulsive because there's
a bunch of seasoning and all thisstuff on it. And he could tell

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that I don't know if we're Paprikaor something, but he could tell that
it had red food die in it, which is red forty okay, And
red forty is if you have kids, which neither of us do yet but
you will, Billy, Red fortyis the kind of thing you don't want

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to give your kids because it haslike potentially cancer causing stuff. Ellis used
the word properties, which I was, man, that's a great word to
use. And then Ellis cos itsays, I don't I don't believe any
of that. I grew up onRed forty. Ye. It's all based
on like your your body types orlike your genes pretty much What people don't

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understand is that when I talk toyou guys, either on or off the
record, whenever anyone says something likeclassically funny like that, after we're done,
I'm still thinking about it and laughinglike the next day, Like I
kept saying to myself, Yeah,I grew up on Red forty and I'm
an adult. Just made me laugh, like I grew up on red forty,

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Like like you grew up on codliver oil. Like no, I
grew up on Red forty. Sothat's what that was about. Anyway.
How is by the way, speakingof Army w CAT personnel, how have
you guys gotten to know and loveone Spencer Thomas Mango. I mean it's

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awesome. He coaches awesome. Justevery think for us in the team,
it's pretty much just always for us. We need to ask him any questions,
whatever we need, always get helpfrom him. Runs our practices amazingly.
It's gotten so much better since beinghere. Obviously one of the best
coaches in the country, if notthe world. So yeah, he's a

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good egg. He's a good egg. It's hilarious too once he gets He's
super funny. Yeah, especially outsidethe room. He's been a great help,
and like life in general, justcalling him for any advice with anything,
not just wrestling, but but lifeadvice too. And and then like
Billy said, like the practices inthe room have been great, and just

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having him there in your corner inthe room and stuff, helping out with
whatever, just giving knowledge on thesport and stuff has been amazing. He's
been great just helping me navigate theearly adult that I'm going through, you
know, living on my own thesefirst years. And he always picks up

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whenever I call him for something orquestions about something stupid, and then he
just laugh about it. That's thatyou and I have that in common.
I call him about stuff that isstupid very regularly, very regularly. You
know, he's great because he justhe he laughs about it and with you

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and and still works through it withyou and helps you out with whatever you
need. So yeah, that's theticket, you know, That's that's the
difference. That is the difference.I think if there's people talk about our
strengths and weaknesses too often when itcomes to American Greco Roman wrestling. They

(35:50):
talk about you know, partier defense, they talk about position, they talk
about all these other things, andit's like, well, we need coaches
who are athlete centric and that doesn'thave that does not revolve around what happens
in a match or in a practiceso much as it has to do with
connecting with people and being able tounderstand what they need to hear and how

(36:15):
it needs to be communicated. Wemake this into some sophisticated problem and it's
not one. It's just not one. But I digress. While we're still
warm and fuzzy here, I'd beremiss not to just, at the very
least close up with the fact thatyou two are kind of ride or die

(36:39):
tandem here. Yeah, both arefrom Nevada, not Nevada. There you
go, thank you. I sobadly just want to say Nevada like it
just it's to me it sounds better. Do you know that it was Andrew

(37:00):
berry As who corrected, well correctme, but he taught me how to
say it's a long time ago.Sounds like something that Andrew would do.
Yo, is is barriesa like foryou Nevada kids? Is he like your
your capo? If we're like talkingabout like a like a mafia, like

(37:21):
an organized crime family, like theguy you got to kick up too,
and I'm not gonna lie, Likemy my first year on the Farga team,
Yeah, looking up he was whenwhen when I was a lot younger
going into my first year at Fargoand being on the Nevada's national team and

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stuff like that, I would sayhe definitely was part of that that group.
I don't know about Billy, butI would agree with that statement.
Yeah, i'd say, like him, Demons and uh like ty Smith.
Those are kind of like the bigthree people on the Nevada team growing up.

(38:12):
Very yes man, pinky ring cufflinks. I don't know. I look
at him as like the like thelike the if there's like a Nevada posse
in my mind, like I picturelike all you's in it, and like
but like when you go into likewalk into a room, like you've got
to go say hi to him first. I can imagine that now, just

(38:36):
thinking about that, imagine that.It's like, No, I was gonna
make a Seinfeld reference, but thatprobably lost on both of yous. I've
never watched Seinfeld before, so yeah, gosh, you know what I mean.
Juice and life ain't about TikTok andsnapchat. Man, I don't have

(39:00):
TikTok down there on my phone.You don't for you neither do I I
bet Sullivan does. Yeah, Ido. I'm on that all the time.
My screen times insane. But youguys, and I'm not trying to
romanticize it, but it's true,this is something special in so far as
you guys come from the same system, come from the same state. You

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both go into the army together,and you're on a world team together,
and I'm sure that is well.Not to mention you guys, I guess
occupy the same domicile, meaning livetogether. Yep, this has to I'm
not trying to cornball this up toomuch, but this has to be significant

(39:45):
because you're gonna go through this together. That seems very special and it also
seems like actually very useful. You'regonna go through it like the highs and
lows are training together. I'm sureyou guys have talked about this already,
right, Yeah, talking about allthe time, even even just being at
like practices at w CAP when it'sgood practice bad practice, or we're getting

(40:09):
absolutely destroyed by the Uzbeki workouts.You know, we're always talking about how
just how everything was and how it'lllead to what we wanted to be justice.
I have to think that watching eventhough you're still preparing for your own,
your own matches and stuff, Ihave to imagine that watching Billy clinch

(40:31):
and match too, even though youprobably expected them to imagine that sort of
gave you a jolt. Yeah,it definitely did. It got me hyped
up, you know, because Ican't have to He'll make the team and
then not me be on it either, So I think it was me give
me a little to make it.Yeah, that would rund me of twenty
twenty one. It was flip scenarios. Flip scenarios. You had won both

(40:54):
matches. I'd lost the first oneand had to come back in the next
two. Yeah, it really was. Well, you figure you guys are
gonna be super busy because there's everychance you guys are on own you guys

(41:19):
this year twenty three squad, youguys could be on two world teams together
this Yeah, yeah hopefully. Yeah. Funny how that works out, isn't
it. I think so. Imean that's but also to the effect of
that's what I was talking about whenwe were talking about like the time crunches,
because U twenty threes is October twentyone through twenty seven, and Seniors
is twenty eight through thirty one.Yep, it's literally like right back to

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back. Yeah, Billy, doyou know what I never noticed before?
H and I hope you don't takethis as a disc to know your voice
kind of reminds you of Nate Angle. What the heck? I've never heard
I've never heard of that before,so I've never really like thought about it.
I'm trying to, like, Ican understand, I'm trying to remember

(42:07):
Coach's voice because I can hear it, but like, is it like the
a little bit like the high pitchingor what. I won't say it's necessarily
high, but it's like I wouldn'tnecessarily say it's high pitch, but it's
like a weird like damn, coachNates weird straight out here. I don't
know shoo. So you don't hearit, not really, No, you've

(42:28):
known him too long, that's theproblem. I mean, I live with
him, so listen him every day. That's crazy, Billy. We're getting
ramen after this, right, Oh? Yeah? Getting what ramen? Love
ramen. You know, we onlyhave so many more days we can eat
food until we have to bring ourweight back down. Yeah, only so
many more days it's made, don'tthe only that didn't older is gonna get

(42:51):
mad at us. No, wehave to make weight in like uh eighteen
days, no, nineteen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're they're doing
that now. Yeah. Yeah.I hadn't had soda, no like sugary
food for about a month leading upto this tournament. As soon as we
finished, I went and bought asprite and drank that. But right like

(43:12):
whenever, Ilda wasn't looking at tostart a chugging sprite here. How about
this? Even though we just gotdone talking obviously about you twenty three and
before that we talked about your weightclasses for the Olympic year. And look
like I understand that the Olympic Trialsdid not end the way either of you

(43:37):
would have certainly preferred, and Iget it, but it is still very
significant to compete in the Olympic Trials. Okay, it's a big deal.
Yes, of course, like you, there's a goal oriented mission. But
and I brought this up to eightin a towel, it's like this country

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knows how to knows how to puton these things, like we know how
to do this with a lot ofspectacle and production value and things like that.
And you know, Juice, obviouslyyou had an opportunity to compete in
an Final X and that was atPrudential Arena. It's an arena and it's

(44:21):
like lights and sounds and stuff likethat. But Penn State the way they
did the Olympic Trials, Like Imean, guys, like we're talking,
it would be mid session and thatplace was super loud. Yeah, like
crazy, Yeah, how was itfor you guys to compete in that sort

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of environment? Like do you noticeit while you're there? Do you?
Or do you try to tune itout? Like how do you approach it?
Billy? I'll start with you.Uh so for me, so like
obviously, when when we're staging togo out onto the map, right,
it's all like the TV time based, So when there's twenty seconds left in

(45:06):
that match in front of you,then they'll walk you out, announce your
name, and then you'll walk upon the mat. But it's all like
they're doing it all heavily based forthe TV for everyone to watch. So
when it came to my first match, they had actually miscuted us. So

(45:27):
we had went out there when therewas still a minute or so left in
my match in front of me,So instead of just me being able to
go out there and walk up ontothe mat and not really notice anything,
I walked out there, sat outlike right in front of the mat,
and just kind of like Coach Mangocould tell I was like super nervous.
Even in the tunnel. He waslike trying to tell me what he did
when it came to these tournaments,to calm down or to like what he

(45:50):
does to just keep himself in thatmindset. And I was trying to do
that a little bit. And thenwhen we actually walked out there and I
had all this extra time until Ithat down to the mat, I just
like looked up and looked all around, and I just seen thousands of people,
and it was just definitely a differentexperience, I'd say compared to every

(46:14):
other like wrestling tournament I've done,just with all those people, all the
lights, all the cameras and everything. I was definitely super nervous walking into
my first match, but I stillloved the overall experience of just being able
to wrestle in front of all thosepeople and seeing all the people there.
But it definitely is just a supernerve nerve wracking experience, Juice. I

(46:37):
would say, so Trials for mewas like a little a little easier to
navigate through mentally wise because of theexperience at Final X. I would say
Final X was when I kind ofhad this real moment, like like Billy
did, where like I was supernervous walking out my first matchup Final Lie.

(47:00):
It's like the most nervous I've everbeen in a wrestling match ever,
because I had never been used toyou know, I'm walking, I'm walking
out through this tunnel, Smoke's blowneverywhere. I got kids hands in my
faces trying to give me high fivesand stuff before I walk out there.
And then like after the match,like kids are asking for your autograph and

(47:21):
stuff, and you're trying to getback to the back to like do your
cool down and refocus and stuff,and all these lights and everything, and
I'm wrestling next to freaking like KyleDaik and stuff. So I would say
for me, Final X was kindof when like I was super nervous and
I had to kind of figure outwhat works mentally in that setting, because

(47:44):
you know, it's definitely a lotdifferent, even even at the Open like
when they got you in the backpreparing, Like, it doesn't feel the
same as Final X when you dosuper long walk out the tunnel down the
side of the match with all thekids screaming your name and you know,
putting their hands in your face andstuff. It's like, not that I

(48:04):
hated that or anything. It wasit was an amazing feeling and I definitely
want to get back to that positionand get to feel that again, hopefully
winning this time. But it wasdefinitely like just going into the the second
match and stuff, I had tofigure out what kind of worked for me
to get over those nerves and stufflike that, because it's definitely an overwhelming

(48:27):
experience, but like in a goodway, because you know, Rob Kate
and USA Wrestling and Flow Wrestling andall that are doing their best to kind
of make it seem like an importantevent and bring more eyes onto the sport
and stuff. So I definitely doappreciate it, but you know, it
definitely does bring it's like an obstacle, another obstacle you kind of have to

(48:47):
figure a way around going into thematch. So, man, that's an
interesting answer. I've heard people.I've heard guys describe it similar and so
far as like, yeah, it'skind of an adjustment, but you know
you're right because you you have to. I mean, yeah, I guess,

(49:08):
but yeah, it makes sense thatyou would have to sort of compartmentalize.
And I think it's definitely like itfeels a lot bigger too, because
you know when they like our generationnow that's starting to come up and rest
out Final CS and stuff. Wewere watching Final X and I was watching

(49:30):
Final CS in high school and now, like I I remember my freshman year
when I was watching like the firstyear they ever put on Final X.
I was like this, I thoughtwas the coolest thing ever. And I
honestly never thought I would be inthat position. So when I was actually
walking out there, like just youget flooded with all these different emotions because

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you remember watching all these different athletesand stuff compete at Final X on flow,
watching at your TV at home withyour parents and stuff, and like
now you're that person walking out atFinal legs. Yeah, and it's just
a surreal feeling. So it's likedefinitely a lot of emotions and stuff you
have to just wrap your head aroundbecause you're used to being on the other

(50:13):
end of it where you're you're athome on the couch watching on the TV.
So it's it's a real feeling forsure. Yeah, getting all those
texts from family friends back home sayingthey're they're watching you on the live television
like yeah, definitely gives that shakes. Yes, well wait a minute there,
Sassy man, you you won Fargo. Yeah that wasn't on live TV

(50:36):
though, yes it was, soit was on flow of flow, but
I'm talking about NBC Sports on nationaltelevision. Oh I see, yeah,
yeah like that that was completely differentand just more so like what Jay was
saying with all the kids and stuff, Like there was a funny story that

(50:57):
we had when we were walking wewere we were walking to the venue from
from I think it was the caror somewhere, and like we were already
done wrestling, Like I just wentoh into uh, Jay went one into
like we were just at that pointpeople who had wrestled in the tournament,
and like we had our our badgeon and we were walking into the venue
and like this these little kids werecoming up to us as we're walking into

(51:19):
like oh, can we have apicture? Can you sign our shirt?
And stuff? Like you want mysignature? Sure? Are you sure you
want my autograph? Not signature?That's how we know you're telling the truth.
Are you sure you want my autograph? Like, I don't know about
I don't know if you think I'mthe right person or so, so I
don't know who you think I am. Well, you could have just told
them stick with Greco, come back, this is what we do. Like

(51:42):
so that was funny. Maddening thingis that these kids go like in Pennsylvania's
great, great, great wrestling state, but these kids go to the Olympic
Trials, and I've seen it beforemore so than World Team Trials. Final
X actually is the same as OlympicTrials in this way, so it's a

(52:05):
good approximation. But it's like Grecogets the biggest responses out of these crowds.
The only reason why, the onlyreason why the freestyle stuff gets big
responses is because of storyline stuff,because there's more familiarity and obviously there's higher
profile athletes tend to be anyway,it's the only reason. But for like,

(52:27):
in terms of action, Greco alwaysgets the biggest responses because of the
throws and things like that. Youget people high fiving each other like you
see at football games because like somebodybombs somebody else or whatever. It's like,
yeah, well we want you tocome back and enjoy this though,
yeah, not one off it.Yeah, that part of the battle in

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this country. Aesthetically, Greco workswell if when it's presented the way Final
X presents it. Penn State didn'tchange me, but it's undeniable how well
of a job they did. ButI normally have preferred Final X to even
Olympic trials ever since Greco's been allowedin Final X. Anyway, it's just

(53:13):
I shouldn't say allowed. That's notfair. That is not even. That's
not fair. That's not fair.It's not fair because Flow Wrestling and USA
Wrestling never held Greco out of FinalX. The first year of Final X
in twenty eighteen, Matt Lindlin didnot want Greco to be in Final X.

(53:37):
Oh was that when it was thatJunior duels exactly right? Oh my
gosh. And the reason why,and I agreed with him at the time,
was because he wanted Greco to haveits own stage, have the spotlight.
He was in his mind he didn'twant it to be you know,

(53:57):
dwarfed. I guess potentially by freestyleplus like he had the Greco program,
Greco World Team for that year wasgoing to have their own different training plan
because the Worlds were in like lateOctober that year and so on, and
it almost worked. It almost worked, but for one thing, they had

(54:22):
the World Team Trial finals that yearfor senior at like one o'clock in the
afternoon, and that was ridiculous.Yeah that was Oklahoma too. Yeah,
I remember being at the Junior Duelswhen it was held there, and like
they were they were playing or theywere having the final X or the wrestle

(54:45):
offs for that like mid dules.It wasn't like there was a break or
anything. I feel like I'm prettysure I was wrestling while like matches were
happening. Probably probably. I guesswe'll close out with this obviously you two
have a long standing relateationship and friendshipand your teammates and world teammates. Now,
and what's it like living with eachother? Like who annoys who the

(55:08):
most? Good question? I don'tthink we. I don't know, Billy
doesn't really annoy me at all.I think we get We get along great.
You know, we have a lotof very common interests, So I
think that helps definitely a lot.You know, we're really interested in the
same stuff. So like like ourgaming room set up, for example,

(55:28):
Like I feel like like it waslike someone else that would probably annoy him
a little bit because it's taking upa whole room, But me and Billy
are both into that type of stuff. So yeah, you know, we
just common interests, common goals,and we've known each other for so long,
so yeah, I feel like theroom just for our gaming stuff.
Yeah, I feel like we've beengetting along great, and you know,

(55:51):
we keep each other in check anddiscipline and stuff like when when one of
us is feeling lazy though them kindof helps pick it up and trying to
go to the sauna here and there. Yeah, I feel like we do
a good job, you know,building off of each other. So I've
loved moving in with them. Idon't know if you're still the same,

(56:12):
but but it's it's not really bea great experience. Yeah, it's been
an awesome time. Shoot, it'sbeen how long have we lived with each
other now, like a few months? Yeah, three months, and it's
been a really good three months sofar. You do know that I assume
you'll be living separately when this happens, but you never know. Wives eventually

(56:38):
come into the picture. I don'tknow if the gaming room stays for either
one of yoush. That's one thingthat ain't ain't going. They can try,
they can try. This is thisis my relaxing time. That's your
that's your like your your reset.Yeah, even though it don't sound like

(57:00):
I'm relaxing or resetting. Might beraging a lot, but that's that's just
how I tone down. Shoot.I mean, that's how we all do.
They'll be me Jay Camal Dalton Duffield, like Roberts like. We all
play games with each other, TimYoung. We're literally all gaming with each
other all the time. This isall call of duty, Yeah, call

(57:24):
of Duty. A couple new gameshere and there, but we all mainly
play cod with each other. Isn'tlike feel key like a goat and call
of duty? He uh, heused to be. He's yeah, he's
kind of retired. He he doeshis own thing now. Wait, I
wonder what the difference is. Heplays a lot of RPGs. He plays

(57:45):
games still a crap ton like thatwon't ever change, but there's the different
types of games he plays now.He plays a lot of like story mode
games, but no, like Isaid, he that game isn't getting taken
away from him either. And thatwas Billy Sullivan and Justice Scott, the

(58:05):
Baden Dynamic duo, if you will, twenty twenty four U twenty three World
teammates. One of the most entertainingsegments we've ever had, There's no doubt
about it. And it helps whenyou've known the subjects for a while.
And as I said in the intro, known Billy for some years now,

(58:29):
and it's been very, very rewardingto see his career progress. And as
I've gotten to no Justice, Imean, I'm right off with that.
My first impression of Justice was thathe was an animal, and in short
order, look what he's achieved.So it's great. Next they have the
PanAm Championships for U twenty three isthat's coming up later in the month,

(58:51):
later in the month of June anyhow, and then it is going to be
training for the U twenty three Worldsand hoping to fight for medals, something
of which Billy and Justice are bothcapable. It's going to be that training
piece that is obviously the most important, but it's really important from a United
States perspective because we just haven't quitefigured out how to do you twenty three

(59:15):
yet. It's been an age categorywith a World tournament since twenty seventeen,
and we've always pretty much brought tothat tournament excellent skilled competitors for the most
part, full time Greco guys.And it's tough. It's a senior tournament.

(59:38):
U twenty three is essentially senior.Yeah, fine, you can go
ahead and designate it as age groupbecause it has you in the front of
the name. But U twenty threeis a real deal. There's not much
separating it from a senior World's notreally, not really, and we need
in our country to have these appsathletes train as if they're preparing for the

(01:00:05):
senior World. Now, you don'tactually have to worry about the athletes having
that sort of incentive or motivation orhowever you want to say. It's more
that like program, why we needto treat it with the respect that this
tournament deserves. It looks like wehave a shot of that happening. Hopefully
it does, and the athlete touron this roster will be able to prepare

(01:00:28):
as best as they can with allavailable resources. And it's tough. It's
tough because it's an Olympic summer too. This isn't the only game in town
the U twenty three World Championships,because look, just think about it this
way. We're in June. Inless than two months, it's going to
be the Olympics, and then inshort order after that is going to be

(01:00:50):
a trials tournament for the non Olympicweight World Championships, which comes tethered basically
in October two the U twenty threeWorlds. There are two tournaments basically going
back to back. So it's alot of stuff that the US program has
to be concerned with at the moment, it's just U twenty three. We
need to figure it out. Andwe just interview two athletes who are part

(01:01:15):
of the best senior program in theUnited States, which is Army, and
they have the most competitive room inthe country as well. I mean,
you could throw Northern Michigan right nextto Army, but Army runs senior and
they're telling you, Billy and Justice, They're telling you that they need to
train in a manner befitting of potentialmedal contenders. That's the way the US

(01:01:39):
needs to start looking at this tournamentlike you're bringing a batch of potential medal
contenders there, not that we're justbringing a roster. Maybe if we switch
up our mindset a little bit,it'll change the way we exit this tournament,
which thus far since twenty seventeen hasnot been quite very successful. So

(01:02:00):
that looks to change hopefully this yearbecause of both the type of athlete iron
this roster as well as there looksto be more effort from our national program
in availing the opportunities and resources necessaryto make that happen. Let's go over

(01:02:22):
a couple of things really quickly.So just this past weekend, this is
June ten or eleven that this isbeing recorded. So this past weekend,
first tournament featuring the twenty twenty fourOlympians, that is eighty seven kilograms Peyton

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Jacobson, ninety seven kilograms Joe Rowand heavyweight Adam Kuhn. The Hungarian While
it wasn't the Hungarian Grand Prix technicallythe polyak Imray Memorial Ranking Series tournament.
Five point move. Of course,put out a recap if you want to
blow by retelling of how the resultswere recorded by all means, check that

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out. Peyton Jacobson had Ali Chingezfrom Turkey, world champion co world champion
at eighty seven kilograms last year.That's because Chengis had decisioned David Lozanxi from
Hungary, but he had actually beenpinned before that, and UWW went and

(01:03:29):
called an audible months later or whateverit was and awarded Lizaxi a world goal
himself. So two world champions ateighty seven kilograms, and if Peyton had
won against Chengis, he would havehad Lizaxi, so he had an opportunity
staring him right in the face todefeat two of last year's world champions,

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and instead Peyton Jacobson, in hisfirst appearance since the Olympic trials, he
dropped a tough match to Chega's fourto one. It was just two turns
for a while, I wouldn't callthem turns that reverse gut wrench pullovers.

(01:04:13):
Nobody says reverse gut wrench. It'sa reverse gut wrench if you have a
reverse lift and you're just pulling themover. I don't know what else you
call it. Maybe it has somekind of regional name. But either way,
four to one was to score andJacobsen had Chenga's backing up as if
Jacobson were holding a nine millimeter inthe first few seconds of the first period.

(01:04:33):
Then cheng Has hit him with alittle bit of a club and Jacobson
didn't blink and stead he just wentback to kind of posing as well.
A little bit there, and justeven in the second period, Jacobson looked
fantastic. Nobody cares about the results, really, I mean, yeah,
maybe the athletes do a little bit, but it's not about the results.

(01:04:56):
It's just kind of how you lookso much. I mean, the ranking
points that were available in Hungary,they were going to be buying large and
consequential for the Americans, because neitherof the three came in there carrying any
ranking points worth talking about. Andit was just more like how they looked.
And Payne Jacobson looked fantastic. Joeraw goes and he looked really good

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against Muhammadaddi Saravi, who's a worldchampion and Olympic bronze medalist, and Joe
row got behind Saravi and the blankof an eye with the reach around got
behind him and just maybe his feetgot a little entangled there with the Iranians
and that led to a succession ofno, not a succession. It just

(01:05:42):
Joe got turned a couple of timesand winds up losing the match. And
then he had a chance for bronze, and he wrestled one mister Georgie Emilief
from Georgia in fact, and Joewas up for nothing, and then I
think the final score was ten fourth, so Joe took fifth. Adam Kuhn.
Adam Kuhn had one match. Hewrestled a great opponent and that is

(01:06:04):
Abdela tif Mohammed from Egypt, who'she's a medalist, He's an Olympic medal
contender for twenty twenty four certainly.And Adam Kuhn loses a three to one
decision. And the only reason whythat was a bummer is because you want
to see more than one match outof these guys. That's all a little

(01:06:26):
more time on target, a littlebit more in a live, competitive venue.
Sure they had camp and Croatia andall that leading up to heading over
for the Hungarian tournament, but we'renot in the camps with him. So
you like to see what they've gotand you like to see how they stack
up against some of these foreigners,and same thing with Jacobson. It's not

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so much the result. Nobody cares, not really, I mean Jacobs,
I'm sure it does. But it'smore you just want to see. You
just want to see more. That'sit. I just want to see more.
And now there will be focusing onOlympic team camp, which begins I
think, I want to say,July seven to seventeen at the OTC Olympic

(01:07:12):
Training Center in caled Road Springs.And it's coming up quick, my goodness,
coming up quick. You're not longfrom now. It'll be a full
two months since the Olympic Trials andwe are already less than two months before
the first day of Greco Roman wrestlingat the Paris Olympics, which is August
five. So what else to cover? What else to cover? What else

(01:07:34):
to cover? Oh? Okay,well, we just mentioned before the two
thousand and twenty four U twenty threeWorld team will actually have members of that
roster going to the U twenty threePan Ams, which they've never had a
U twenty three Panamms before. Andthat's coming up not long from now,
the week and a half two weeksfrom now, so towards the end of
June, and that's it. IMiss Hall, I Miss Hall. I

(01:07:57):
got to bring Haul back because doingthis solo it's not as easy and not
as much fun that I can tellyou. Social media concerns, Social media
concerns. To follow Billy Sullivan onInstagram, it is very easy, actually,
Billy x Sullivan all one word,Billy x Sullivan. To follow Justice

(01:08:26):
Scott on Instagram, it is atju Justice. Okay, so let's spell
this out so we're all on thesame page here. J U I c
E TI s s which is obviouslya play on the nickname he was given
when he joined Army w CAP,which was Juice Get it Justice, ju

(01:08:50):
justess very clever. To follow DennisHall on Instagram, you can do so
at Dennis Hall Underscore UD Dennis HallUnderscore UD. You can also follow Dentisa
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