5PM61: Catching up again with Northern Michigan assistant Parker Betts

NMU Assistant Coach Parker Betts returns to the show to discuss his athletes' performances at the Senior World Team Trials, as well as to look ahead to the U23 World Championships next month, a tournament that will feature three Northern Michigan University wrestlers -- Max Black, Jonathan Gurule, and Olympian Payton Jacobson.
 
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I refer on that stop worrying about stupid procedures and
you pull.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Up the sporting about they can stop to create why
are we having this podcast? And wanted to call the
plot point move.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm frustrated with the word I greco guys to United story.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's true, you know, because there are good athletes, are
good human dudes.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
But rather what we got to help him get that?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
But I want people know me from all of our
results where everything comes from five point moves.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Sometimes, uh, you know when you say the interview okay,
so probably interview with somebody else, what do we have
between us? You know, the deview, just the conversation? You
make a question, you know. So it's difficult side though,
because you ask you whever you want to, but I
can't answer whether I want to or what I feel.
But at the same time, so you have the little

(01:00):
bunched me and at the same time, no why because
you already.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Know what do you want to ask me? I don't
know what you will ask me? Right, But when I
answered you back, so you have to change or you
have to go to the next question. You know, So
are you expressed what I feel? And from my experending
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Hello and welcome to episode sixty one of the five
point Move podcast. I am Tim Hants, founder and senior
editor of five point move dot com. And who you
just heard was Alan Vera, who passed away last Monday,
September twenty three at the all to a young age

(01:47):
of thirty three. And that clip of Alan one that
stood out stood out for me. That's that was dialogue
recorded for you know article from July of twenty twenty two.
It was Al Allen and il Dar. It was the

(02:07):
World Championship philosophies of Ildar hapes Off and Alan Vera
preceding the twenty twenty two Worlds. And it has been
an awful week, a difficult week. It's been exact week
in fact, because this is being recorded Monday night, September

(02:29):
thirty and just to get this out of the way,
this is not going to be a typical episode. It's
going to be a short episode. The only reason why
this show is being put out is because of the guest,
and that's Parker Betts and I had recorded Parker the

(02:54):
two weekends ago, so whenever that was and there's a
timely fashion thing to it in the segment, Parker discusses
the upcoming duel meet between NMU and the Dubuque RTC,

(03:16):
which is set for this coming weekend, October five, that's Saturday.
And I have to put this out to deal with
that promotional aspect, I guess. But I've recorded this intro
that you're hearing. I've recorded two other versions of it

(03:36):
and just X them out because I don't know what
to say. I can't be any more forthright than that.
I suppose. It's been awful and it's been difficult, and
you know, and I'll do this real quick, just as
well quick what does that even mean? I want to

(04:00):
be a self indulgent. At the same time, for those
who follow five point move, I'll run through the timeline real,
real quick, or as quick as I can muster to
sort of provide a glimpse at what has gone on. So,

(04:20):
like I said, it's been terrible, and I've sure, along
with pretty much everybody listening, I'm just completely distraught and
certainly thinking about Alan's wife, Elena Perskova and his infant
daughter Lena, and so what has happened. So last Monday

(04:46):
night a week ago, I had, you know, I work
and I usually work pretty long hours. I come home,
I see my family, I take shower, eat dinner, kids,
go to bed, I come down the office. And it
was supposed to be a return to normalcy, if anything,
because I was getting set to do a Monday round up,

(05:08):
which Monday roundups have been hit or missed throughout the summer,
you know, the slate of activity schedule, whatever.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
And.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
You know it was going to be previewing parts of
the Vaalamar Cup, which happened this past weekend. And then
I was going to record a segment with Dennis Hall
really been guest hosting so often. But anyhow, it's Monday,

(05:40):
it's nine o'clock and I get a text telling me
that Alan had passed away and everything changed, and without
going into so many details and stuff, I just everything stopped.

(06:05):
It's the only way I can explain. Everything kind of stopped,
and I had to put everything on hold. I couldn't.
You know, I don't know what this says about me.
I think this says about five point move. I don't
know what it says about professionalism and journalism. But I couldn't.

(06:28):
I could not handle it like I could not. You know,
we've done stuff before, when people have passed away. We've
covered some of that kind of stuff, so I don't
want to sound totally hypocritical, but I couldn't do it,

(06:49):
and I just I don't know how else to say it.
I couldn't write a release an obituary about Alan Vera.
I couldn't do it, and I don't know of I
would love to be able to put that into more words,

(07:11):
I suppose, since you know, it's kind of a flaw
of mine is to overtalk things. I guess. But Alan
loved five point Move and he thanked me. He would
thank me for doing it. He would thank me for

(07:33):
writing about the guys and covering promoting the sport and
promoting the guys, and just the idea of that being
something written about him on here was too much for

(07:54):
me to bear. And I couldn't do it. And not
only could I not do it, I couldn't look at
five point throughout the week. I just I didn't even try. Really,
if I'm being honest, I'm pretty disciplined, and I at
least tried, despite a lot of times being exhausted. But
I couldn't do it. I couldn't even Yeah, it wasn't

(08:18):
up until towards the very end of the week when
I was like, okay, well, you know, Croatian Federation has
been great as far as communicating with me with material
and stuff, and I had the Valamar Cup and we had,
you know, a fair number of guys competing in the tournament,

(08:39):
and so that was all I could really kind of handle.
And the only reason why this episode is coming out
itself is because of the bet segment, it's debut RTC
versus Northern Michigan Dual Meat. I had recorded Parker. It's
not fair for me to have recorded him and not

(09:00):
put that out, and it's not fair to the guys
from NMU who were highlighted in that segment either. So
here we are. We will deal with Alan's passing and
honor him in an appropriate manner. Coming up, There's not

(09:28):
so much more I'm gonna say about it, but we
will do that with as much love and care as
we can. And I just yeah, that's the only place
I can really go with that. But as for right now,

(09:52):
in terms of this episode, we're gonna go straight to
Parker Betts and just close with the social media stuff
and that'll be a rap.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
But.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Suffice it to say everybody's hurting, I think everybody will
be hurting for quite a while. And Alan, for all
of his athletic excellence, was just a man full of
love and kindness. And people have a tendency to say

(10:28):
that about plenty of others, but with Alan, it was
truly legit, and he was somebody who drew you in and.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
He was.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Just the one word I can really use to describe
him is grateful. He was just grateful. And the way
he treated not just you know, the guys, but just
everybody around him, and the way he carried himself, the

(11:00):
way he conducted himself, and the way he cared enough
to kind of show you his heart is just that's
what we're thinking about. That's the way I'm thinking of
him right now, and I hope everybody else is too.
And I just don't know what else to say. As

(11:22):
I mentioned, I started trying to record this intro two
other times, one a couple of days ago or so,
and I just couldn't really do it well. And I'm
not doing this so well either, And we'll just all
have to live with that, I guess. But it's difficult

(11:45):
put your love in Christ, put your faith in Christ
and stick together and we will get through this, all right.
Joining me now is Northern Michigan University assistant coach Parker Betts.

(12:08):
All right, if you could just give me your general
impression of the team performance overall at the World Team trials,
and then we'll isolate a few of the athletes, especially
you know, Kenny Crosby and Max Black obviously, and we'll
reverse engineer from there. So you had, I don't know,

(12:32):
let's call it ten guys. Yeah, you had two finalists.
You had a couple of these younger guys pick up
really solid wins against really solid opponents, and so even
though you did not put somebody on the World team
as a whole, it still seems like it was a

(12:52):
pretty good performance considering the time of year. We've just
started the season. Guys have only been what on campus
since a month and a little over or so whatever
that is. So if you could just broad brush it
before we narrow it down and put a spotlight on
a couple of these guys.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, so we haven't even I wouldn't even say, yeah,
probably around a month we've been back training, and you know,
it's like I said before, we kind of came out
differently this year because we had World Team Trials right
out of the gates, so we started training harder and
stuff like that usually than we do. But overall the

(13:34):
team performance, I think Busich and myself were very very
happy with how the guys performed, not just wrestling wise,
but how they carried themselves through the tournament. You know,
there are younger guys their experience now, guys like Aaron
Dobbs and Max Black. I mean, he has experience already,

(13:56):
but these guys are just they're carrying themselves with more
confident and they're ready to wrestle at these tournaments, and
you know, it's it's good to see that. It's good
to see them growing in the sport and just you
know as as guys and hardworking.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
So we were we're excited with how the performances were.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
You know, there's always ups and downs, so it's like
the day can be going good and then you know,
we think there's a guy that we can beat, but
we end up losing, so then the day kind of
goes down.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
But overall, overall, we're happy with with how our guys performed.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
How much does the time of year, time of season
influence your perspective if this were March or April, for
the sake of argument anyway, would you be looking at
it differently? Would you mean? My point being that, like,

(14:55):
to me, I think that we're great, Like we have
to grade this on curve, if only because, just as
you mentioned, season's only just started and at least half
of this roster are guys who are by a large green,
even if they've been at it for a year or two,

(15:18):
and so it's like not everybody's had their seat legs
under them, like let's say someone like Max Black.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, I think honestly, with how our summer was and
with Peyton making the team and there's a lot of
training going up that Northern you know, it was a
busy summer and guys were training all the time. You know,
it wasn't really it wasn't as intense as are in season,
but we were still training throughout the summer. Guys were

(15:48):
in so it wasn't really like there was this break
that we usually have. So I mean, these guys kind
of looked I mean like mid season form. I would say,
you know, they looked ready to go, and they're in
shape and you know, ready to wrestle and I stand
by it. I think it was a great performance as
a team.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
So yeah, so why And one of the reasons why
I do is because it was a really compressed field,
like it was not. I forget if it were, let
me see, it might have been. I'm not gonna, I'm
not pulling it up. I just I don't even have
the energy to pull it up. But I think it

(16:29):
was eighty two, had the most guys. I want to
say it was eighty two. Okay, I might be wrong,
but it doesn't matter. The point is is that even
if it were, this was a dense field, it might
not have been a you know, one and fifty man
tournament spread across four weight classes. But the guys who

(16:52):
showed up most of them anyway from outside of Marquette obviously.
It's when I'm referring to or serious competitors. I mean,
we had a lot of our best guys here, which
is why I hang my hat on Northern's performance. You
know what I'm.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Saying, Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Okay, great insight, professional concise to the point Kenny Crosby
was kind of a surprise. Kenny Crosby not a surprise
in so far as his skill set so much as
I mean, he's deviated a little bit weight wise. I've
seen him up at sixty and as well, and even

(17:38):
last year, I thought, like you could see he was
going to be good. He had a lot, a lot
of confidence on his seat in this tournament.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah, I think the biggest thing with Kenny, I mean
he's got I mean some of the best training partners
in the country obviously, and with Matt's Black and Johnny
and these guys, and you know, I couldn't be prouder
of him, you know, and not to kind of take
it that way, but he had the last year that

(18:11):
he had was just it was rough man, and you know,
he he pushed through it, and he did a lot
of growing as a person and as a wrestler, and
just seeing him go through what he did and get
through it, and now he's transitioning that to the mat
and you know, he's a whole different person, you know,

(18:33):
And him being up at sixty eight at last year,
your twenty threes, he was supposed to be at fifty five,
but you know, that was the whole thing with last
year too, so but we moved past that. He's down
at fifty five and after a Saturday night when he
made the finals. We had multiple people coming up and
I say, we you me and music and.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
Just saying, oh, who's this Crosby, Like who is he?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
You know, he's looking great and it's just like it
caught every buddy off guard, but it didn't catch us
off guard. We know, we know how good he can be,
and we know how he trains in the room and
how he carries himself, and it honestly wasn't surprised to us.
You know, we had full confidence in him, and he
has full confidence in himself, and the guys are behind him,

(19:17):
and you know he he's got a great future and
gonna be prouder of him. It's his first senior level
tournament and him making the finals, I mean, it's it's huge.
I mean, obviously he wants to make the team, everybody does,
but him seeing that he's on the level with these

(19:38):
guys and it's just little things that we got to fix.
And you know, like you said, Brady, he's great on top,
you know, and we game plan for that.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
You know, we know which way he's gonna gut. But
you know, he's got such a.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Tight lock, long arms, and you know, it's easy to say, well,
he's going he's going this way, so be ready to
defend it.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Like we're not the ones getting.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Our ribs squeezed, you know, he is, and we're not
feeling the pressure he is. And it's it's a lot
easier to say than do. But I think the biggest
thing with Kenny is the experience thing. Like I said,
it's only his first senior tournament and with the way
you're performed, you know, it's all up from here.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
So all right, so Max Black goes up to sixty
three and sixty three in this tournament, with the exception
of the you know, appearance by Nick Leannetti was pretty
much just sixty kilos three kilograms, have you for the

(20:38):
most part, Yeah, yeah, that said, it's a good look
when a national team member makes the final. H And
Max had as for all of his achievements thus far,
he had not been in a senior trials finally yet

(21:00):
And I don't know, I thought it was considering. I mean,
he wrestled in Lithuania last month. He had a solid
tournament there, he got some solid training in there, and
then he comes back and it's sort of prepping for this.
I don't know, considering that he has a World Championships
already next month and all that. Like I thought he

(21:23):
looked great.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, I mean he's he looks like Max Black to me. Man,
he just the way he walks around at tournaments, the
way he wrestles.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
He don't walk. Man, that kid struts it.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
He does. He does.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
He struts and he and he believes in it too.
He he lives for this. You know, I said it
in the last podcast we did. Man, he's a gamer
and he wants to compete. And you know, he told us,
I don't know when it was a long time ago.
He's like, yeah, I'm going up sixty three to trials,
you know, like I'm doing it, and we're like, yeah,
one hundred, you know, and you know, he performed great.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
You know, Ill Dar he's tough man.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
He's obviously his experience and on the feet, in his
par tear, everything is just so it's so good, and.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
It just comes down to experience with Max.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
You know, he's still young, and when you look at
it in the big picture, you know, Ill Dart has
been doing this for a long time and he's made
so many trials finals. It's just another day in the office.
For him and for Max, it's just going to come
down to experience.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
We I was talking to Bevisic about it a couple
of days after him, like he's he's so close to
breaking through and when he does, it's it's.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Just gonna ignite him even more.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
And you know that that bracket was tough, and he
just carried himself the way he always does, and you
know it's inspiring. It's awesome to see him to do
that and wrestle hard, and you know it gets gets
us excited.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
So well, it was tough because he had eight another
first who just a year and a half ago was
a US Open finalist, and that's also Aiden at a
preferable weight for himself. Yeah, he then had Gregorson, Dylan

(23:15):
Gregorson in the semi final. Now, okay, Max got a
match out of him, took a match from him in
the Olympic Trials and close match and was close match here.
But like Dylan Gregorson's a monster. Like Dylan Gregorson's a tough,
very strong opponent, and Max kept it like within his

(23:43):
comfort zone. You know, he knew like he and plus
that when he plus the way he scored is how
you want to see. I think your guys score in
this kind of environment. You know, it wasn't scrambly like
Fluke scores, you know what I mean? Like this was
solid Greco Roman wrestling just to get to Ildar and

(24:07):
he took a match from il Dar, And I mean,
what did I text you last week? It was a
very short list of guys who have beaten il Dar
in a match since il Dar's been in country. It's
since what is it? I'm fine, I don't like doing this,

(24:30):
but I'll do it because it's late and we're recording
late and I'm exhausted. So Jesse Filke, Dalton Roberts, Mike Fullfinger,
Xavier Johnson and now Max Black. Five people who have
defeated il Dar in America since two thy fifteen. That's

(24:54):
not easy to do. It's not easy to do. Okay,
he might not have won the series, but to get
a match. And if you're Max Black, you just took
a match from il Dar. Might not have won the series. Okay,
you didn't win the series. Ildar's going to another World Championships. Okay, fine,
But if presuming everything with ill Dar stays kind of

(25:18):
on track, the same leading to April and you're Max
Black and we're all at sixty kilos. Now you know
you took a match from this guy already, like you've
done it, you know, and so he's gonna have that
in his pocket at the very least, at least as
far as domestic concerns. But before we move on, my

(25:39):
question about Max is after the tournament, how was he
what was he like? And also how has that conversation
shifted now with the U twenty three World Championships just
over a month away.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, I'd say the third match, I mean, he was
he was pretty down on himself and you know he
takes lost his heart, you know, and that comes from
him expecting a lot of himself and he expects a
lot of himself because he works so hard. So I
mean it's completely fair. And you know, he wants to win,

(26:20):
you know, he's he wants to win so bad and
he works so hard. And you know you can say
that about people, you know, Oh, they work no like
Max Black. Literally every morning, every afternoon. One of the
hardest working guys I know is putting his life on
the line for this man, and he cares so much.

(26:43):
And you know, I think after taking the second match,
it kind of hit him like, yeah, I can make
this I can make this team. I can beat him again,
you know, and it's what we believe the whole time.
But when you win that second match, it's like, okay,
like I did it once, I can do it again.
And then you know, Parter goes the way it does,

(27:04):
and you know it that stuff happens. When you get
caught in a in a move like that, it can
you know, it can end quick and it's tough. But
you know, I know him and I know he's already
bounced back. He was he was in the room Monday afternoon,
you know, wrestling again. And he's been training all week
and he he doesn't take any days off. You know,

(27:26):
he does it smart.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
He doesn't.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
He doesn't overtrain, but he's he knows that he's got
you twenty three worlds coming up, and you know he's
ready to go again. I think it was Tuesday. Tuesday,
he goes, oh, I'm ready to compete.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
You know, he.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Just a couple of days and he wants to compete again.
You know, some guys want a week off or three
or four days whatever. It's like, no, he wants he
wants to compete in It's it's so awesome to see
him bounce back like that, you know, and especially being
young and having so so much ahead of him that
he can be ready to go again so quickly.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, it is. He's dude, he's one of your cornerstones, man.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
Yeah, he is definitely.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Okay, So I'd be remiss to leave out aid and Nutter. Yep,
we were talking earlier, not to you know, pull back
the entire curtain, but aid and Nutter is someone who

(28:38):
you know, as an athlete and a person I I
totally admire and I enjoy watching him wrestle. He looked
really good in this tournament. Now, whatever happens going forward
is what happens going forward. But he looked excellent. And

(28:59):
it's again, it's a tough bread. I mean, when you draw,
when you have to go against a teammate, you know,
like who's also surging at the moment, which is what
Max Black is certainly doing. I mean, he's a surging athlete.
It's a it's not the easiest thing in the world.

(29:22):
But Aiden went and he beat Camben wrestled national team
member a year in change ago at fifty five kilos,
and then he wrestles Max, and after that it's like, okay,
beats Leonetti, but then he takes out in a very
tight match, one of the best prospects of the entire country,
which is ret peak. You know, it's not an easy match.

(29:46):
It's a hard match. And then he beats Moomie two times.
You twenty three world team member, who a couple of
your other guys have a lot of experience against Movie's excellent,
excellent score. And then he closes out with fourth place
after losing to Gregorson. So look, whatever happens in the

(30:11):
future with Aidan Nutter in his career, uh, he'll have
this tournament and might not have ended how he would
have preferred, but it's still he scoreboard. Notwithstanding in a
couple of these matches, I mean he wrestled really well.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah for sure. I mean so yeah, we talked about Max,
he's a teammate. I mean, they wrestle every day. They
were training together every day. And next he had Leonetti,
who Leonetti was training with us for a few weeks
leading up the trials. Again, you know, it's it's tough wrestling,

(30:48):
I'll say, your boys because they are boys, you know,
and it's it's tough for us to watch it, but
you know it's it's part of the sport, and it's
it's tough, but you got to do it. And you
know when he started heating up there against Leonetti and
then he beat Red Peak, which I believe he lost.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
To in New York either last year or the year before.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, last year, so you know, getting that back is huge.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
I mean, getting that back was big.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
And then beating Mooney who you know you named off
exact glades already, you know he was It was awesome.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
It was good to see.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Him wrestling to his full potential and he was wrestling
more just freely and wrestling through every position after whereas
Monday afternoon. Usually we don't say names specifically after tournaments.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
It's just not what we do.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
When we talked to the team, but Aiden Nutter's name
got brought up, and we wanted to focus to be
just wrestling through every position and just wrestling through the
entire match. And Aiden did that probably better than anybody
at the tournament last weekend. And that's why we brought
him up because there were positions where I'm like, oh man,
all right, he's gonna get taken down, but you know,

(32:03):
we can get this back. And he didn't, and he
didn't get taken down or he didn't get pushed out,
and he wrestled through every position and it was great,
you know, And it was great seeing him be able
to wrestle to that potential.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
All right, so let's let's kind of a couple of
these younger guys. I just want to make sure we
mentioned him, uh mcun mckune. He went three and two, yep.
And if you told me he's from Kentucky, is that

(32:36):
not correct?

Speaker 5 (32:37):
That is correct?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yep. Well as everybody knows, and I think everybody does know.
I'd like to think everyone knows how much of a
raging hotbed of Greco Roman wrestling Kentucky is. But well,
I mean the hey then again, if you know the

(32:59):
Rain Brothers, right, I guess. But yeah, we're going to
get to who McCune lost to in the first round,
which is gunner Ham, right, but trying McCune goestree and
two and uh Senior World Team Trials, it's pretty pretty good.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I was. I was very impressed with
how he competed and how he performed. He is.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
He's such a good dude just off the mat and
in the room. He's a hard worker and he's just
lives a clean lifestyle. I mean everything is like goal
orientated with him. You know, he wants he wants to win,
and he wants to compete hard. He's very coachable. You know,

(33:51):
he comes, he came to the corner a few times,
and you know, I do a little like, okay, you
can fix this, fix this, and then I try to
hype him up a little bit. But he takes that
and he goes out in the center and does it.
You know a lot of guys they're just there to
catch their breath and you know, maybe it goes into
one ear and out the other, but he takes it
serious and he went out there and did it. It's

(34:13):
just like, man, you know, I love love coaching guys
like that who are coachable and are willing, willing to
listen and go out there and compete.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
You know, you said, well, you said orientated, So that
messed me up briefly.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
But.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I guess that's a preference. I would have said orient.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
But did I say it wrong?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
I don't know. It just sounded weird us late a
kid is competitive. And you know the reason why I
mentioned that is because people think that's an automatic. It's
like totally not an automatic. It's total. It should be
like be like it goes without say, a complete and

(35:02):
total prerequisite. It's not one. Okay, there are guys who
wrestle and there are guys who compete, and Max Black
competes all the time, NonStop. It's like you can't you
cannot avoid Max Black trying to win at something. McCune,

(35:23):
who's you know, he's on the greener side. Obviously, he
competed heart like heart and he's not even entirely one
hundred percent sure what he's doing out there yet, So
like just project that like when he starts getting his
sea legs underneath him, like filing confidence.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Yeah, I mean, the future is so bright for him.
I think.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Going back to what you said about Max Black wanted
to compete, I think what we talked about in the
last podcast two about these guys just they want to
win so bad. And you know, there was a group
of like five or six of the guys and you know,
the guys that competed at the Olympic Trials. That mentality

(36:12):
can is infectious and it is. I mean, it's spreading
around our team. I mean all these guys, from our
freshmen to the experienced guys, they're they're getting this mentality
of being so competitive and it's starting in the room
and they're carrying it to all these tournaments. And you know,

(36:33):
a guy like Charlie, I mean he, like he said,
he's just so competitive and once this, once that sets
in with everybody, it's it's gonna be awesome, you know,
it really is.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I mean, look, Charlie mcambon beat Eddie Smith. Eddie Smith, Yeah,
really tough and like that match kind of you know,
I mean if it weren't or not, I mean that
opened opened my eyes, should open other people's eyes, because,
like I just said, I mean, Eddie Smith is somebody who,
like I mean, he's trying to like gear into Greco.

(37:08):
He's with Haul at Dubuque, and just to get a
match like that, it's like, that's a a good match
to build off of, not to mention the entire performance overall.
Same way class gunner Hamray, he's a sixty seven, you know,
not that that's I mean there were plenty of other
sixty sevens at seventy two of course, but you know,

(37:31):
Gunner's on a large sixty seven. So he's somebody who's well,
I mean, we could talk about him for a couple
of minutes, if only because he's been a full time
Greco Roman wrestler for the last couple of few years.
He's got a generous amount of foreign experience, having traveled

(37:53):
overseas a whole bunch with Lucas Stelt and all that,
and so he's a one of your guys who's pretty
well made prospect here. Uh he's wrestled in senior tournaments before,
but you know, this is his first one with you,
and you know, you get Peyton rob in the second round,

(38:17):
and it's tough. It's just a tough matchup for a
younger guy. But he goes and he beats Jack Ervian,
who's been a U twenty world team member. He's you know,
gave Pat Smith a you know, a fright a couple
of years ago in the I think it was the

(38:37):
semi finals of the Open or something, and then he
closed out with a loss that you were not too
thrilled with. Not that you blame Gunner necessarily, it's just
that's how it went down. So, uh, gimme Gunner here.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, like you said, he went through Lucas Deelt's program.
I mean, he shout out to Lucas. He's what he's
doing in Wisconsin is huge. Bringing these guys overseas and
we're starting to travel together and it helps us get
to know these guys.

Speaker 5 (39:09):
At a younger age.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
And I've known Gunner for I don't know three years now,
you know, traveling overseas with them and all this stuff.
So at the tournament, I think he competed hard.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
He he understands the sport of Drukern and wrestling.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
He understands it.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
And I just think a few years more of experience
is going to do him wonders, you know. Like you said,
the Peyton Rob matchup is tough, you know, but Rob's
an older guy, you know, he's been wrestling a long time.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, and he's a thoroughbred. Like yeah, oh my gosh.
I don't want to go off topic, but if there
were one guy over the last four or five years
or whatever, like I remember when Peyton Rob traveled with
Lucas and everybody over to Sweden in twenty seventeen and

(40:05):
ever since then, I was like, oh, I know we're
not going to keep him. Like, I get it, he's
too big of a high school prospect. He's going to
go to a D one college and sure enough that's
exactly what wound up happening. But like he is made
for us, dude, Like, yeah, just totally anyway, keep going. Yeah,
so he's Minnesotan. So do you have like some kind

(40:25):
of like twisted up conflict of interest when you watch
a Minnesota guy.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Not really, I think I mean I know of him,
of course, but I think Busick has the relationship with him,
and I know he's a great guy. You know, I've
met him before and stuff, but I don't know him
on like a friend level type.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
No, Like you don't like see him at tournaments and
you guys swap oh for sure.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Stories No, definitely not. I think Busic's a lot closer
with him. But I mean every single I mean, you've
never heard a bad thing about the guy and.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Just great competitor and just we're a country where like
this is what happens. It's just yeah anyway, definitely.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
And then going on with Gunner, you know, with that
the match that you were referring to, that you know
that I wasn't pleased with th or whatever. I think
it's just little little mistakes and which is in the
grand scheme of things I think is okay.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I mean it's you'd rather him make a bit like yeah,
but you'd rather him make an offensive mistake, right.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Like yeah, I think so because I think that he
knows as soon as he came off the match, he
knew what he did wrong. And it's just like, okay,
well I'm not We don't have to sit here and
spend five minutes talking what you did wrong, like it's
a ten second conversation and let's not do it again.
And we move on. And you know, it's his first

(41:50):
year with us, and you know, his future is so
bright too. You know I say that about a lot
of our guys, but it really is true. With the
some experience under his belt, it's it's gonna be great
for him.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah. With Gunner, the way I project him kind of
is I mean, it's different. It's different because they're you know,
they're coming from different backgrounds as far as grecor Roman
wrestling is concerned. But it's almost like Marl Austin morrel
In so far as like like I you could have

(42:27):
tell like when Austin Morrill was new to Greco, given
like who he was and his like his attitude and
his like obviously his work ethic and things like that,
like you could tell like he was so smart and
locked in that eventually he was gonna make it his own.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Yeah, and you.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Know, just kind of take off from there. And I see,
like I've, like you, I've known who Gunner is for
quote a while, and I've seen him wrestle over up
until this past like a year, I had only seen
him wrestle against foreigners when it was it. But you

(43:10):
could see that, like he's got the disposition and like that,
like that immersion aspect, like the it's like he already
has like the cultural Greco Roman education, but like once
he figures out how to like adapt it to like
the way he wants to express like his skill set

(43:33):
through the sport, like that'll be the pivotal point for him,
I think. And just it doesn't come overnight, you know
what I mean, necessarily, but yeah, definitely definitely. Uh I
it's the same way class, but I just want to
make sure we hit on them because uh, you know

(43:54):
they kind of uh you know, these young guys kind
of get left in the uh left in the shadows here,
and I, you know, don't particularly enjoy that, and I
would presume neither do you. But that is the tandem
of Aaron Dobbs and Pac Currn.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Aaron Dobbs, good tournament, really good tournament. I thought like
it was a step and especially considering the weight class,
you know, the way that the dynamic of that bracket
sort of played out. Pat Current he's another one. He's
I mean, I think they're both well are they both

(44:31):
was Dobbs two.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
Years in, I want I think this is his third year.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Now the third year, right, Okay, so either way, look
at step of the right direction for both guys. They
both finished with the same record, and like we just
keep saying, eighty two was not easy. So if you
could broad Brushia, Dobbs and Current for me, please.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
Yeah, let's start off with Dollard. You know, he's another
guy that I love.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
He's a guy I love wrestling or I love watching
wrestle because he his positioning is so good. He with
his off balances and his attacks on the feet, it's
it's awesome to watch, you know. He gets he gets
Greco Roman too, and you know, he had a great hit,
a great U twenty three tournament to this last summer,

(45:26):
and I think he's starting to turn turn that corner
of becoming a senior level athlete in the senior level
Greco Roman wrestler. And you know, we had I don't
even know five, six, maybe seven guys who had huge
wins this weekend and he's one of them. And you know,
he looked great when he When he believes in himself

(45:48):
and he believes in his technique, Dude, it's awesome watching
him wrestle because he can hit some awesome throws, awesome attacks,
and you know, it's it's all up from here.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
So well, I mean you say, like I mean, for
crying out loud, he beat Ty Cunningham turbo tie. Yeah,
I'm assuming that's the one you're talking about, yep. And
it's that was uh, super impressive. It really was because, uh,

(46:21):
it's not that he finished ahead of schedule that match,
more that he knew that it was within reach and
he finished ahead of schedule, like you know what I.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Mean, Yeah, definitely in that I think that's kind of
what I was trying to say.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
It's like when he.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
I mean I say, like you smell blood in the water,
like it's there, like let's let's finish it. And you know,
he he should believe in his technique and believe in
his attacks because they're there and they work, and he's
so good, so good, you know when he's.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
When he's ready to go, and and it showed him
that match, So.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Give me Pat.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Pat.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
He trying to remember when he joined the team, maybe
a year ago now.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I want to say a year ago. I mean yeah,
and he beat a teammate in the first round.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
Yep. So he came from Oshkosh maybe or yeah, somewhere
in Wisconsin wrestling folks style, and you know, I like
watching him wrestle Greco because he wrestles his own style
and he scrambles out of a lot of positions that
I think some guys are like, oh I might be

(47:37):
in danger here, I'm not going to give up for
or whatever. Pat just scrambles and he wrestles and I
and that's his style, and I support him. You know,
maybe he's a goal. Support that one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
That's how he should wrestle because when he wrestles like that,
you know he you can do great things. He had,
I want to say, last last April he had alec Ortiz,
you know, right on the road and it was it
was Pat's for senior level term. He had Ortiz on
the ropes and it's like, man, you Ortis has been
around for a long time, a lot of experience and

(48:08):
just his style that he brings.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
It's it's awesome, man. You know, I love coaching him.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
All right. So now there's an interm, not a long one.
You figure, oh, couple few weeks and that's that's it.
It's off to you. Twenty three's for Max Black, Johnny
Goudalat and of course you're Olympian Peyton Jacobson. Every time

(48:37):
I ask basic like this kind of question in a
NMU report and in a Marquette Matters report.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Yeah, and I've asked.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
In this like a couple of times at least and
it's always like, well, we don't you know, we everybody
trains the same, it's the same curriculum and all that. Uh,
you know, you have three guys who are going to
the U twenty three World Championships, So if anything, what

(49:11):
is different for them in the room over the next
two and a half three weeks?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Well, two of them, Peyton and Max, will be leaving
for Crosha this coming week yep, so they'll be going there.
They'll be competing and then training, I don't know, maybe
two weeks there and Johnny will still be with us.
But you know, we still train. Everybody's still training the

(49:42):
same way. I mean, they're we're getting them ready, but
we're getting our guys ready to like the guys who
aren't going. You know, we want everybody on the same schedule,
training hard, fixing our mistakes from last weekend. And that
goes for everybody because the mistakes that these guys made,
other guys are gonna make it too, So we're going
to fix it all, try to fix it all at
one time. And yeah, training has just kind of been straightforward.

(50:05):
We actually do have We're going down to Dubuque to
maybe train, but we're doing a dual meet with them
October fifth, and possibly the Mexican national team is going
to be there as well, So we actually will have
another competition here in a couple of weeks, which I
think is great. You know, I think the more experience

(50:27):
and more matches for these guys, the better.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
We're going to have a mix of young guys and
a couple older guys as well.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
All right, time out, time out, time out, time out.
Let's let's not be pretentious here for a second. Okay,
last year, your team was gracious enough to go to
Dubuque for their you know, for that dual meet against
the Dubuque RTC YEP, which simultaneously functioned as a fundraiser

(50:58):
for the Dubuque. Are you know what I should have
had Hall come on to this? Yeah, you did not.
That experience for you and your boys went down like
a teaspoon of arsenic if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, So

(51:19):
what I want to know is is there any kind
of directive edict, like you're not going to want to
go into Dubuke, Iowa and have a repeat of last year?
I would imagine. Am I wrong? I'm not wrong.

Speaker 5 (51:43):
You're definitely not wrong.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I I was not there for the duel meet.

Speaker 5 (51:49):
I know the results.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
I was, Oh, I remember you knowing the results? Kid?

Speaker 5 (51:54):
I was following along closely, and.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
That was.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
You know, it was.

Speaker 5 (52:02):
It was a butt wooman and.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
You know, and not to make excuses, I mean they
whipped our butts, but we sent a lot of our
young guys, and that's fine. And you know, I think
we're looking at it a little differently this year that
you know, it was kind of embarrassing, and you know, we're.

Speaker 5 (52:22):
To me, we're Northern Michigan. You know, we are the
only college in America that trains Greco Roman wrestling.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
And that is the directive going in in a couple
of weeks that this is our job. This is what
we do all day, every day. And you know, that's
that's kind of kind of the mentality we're bringing in.
So we're we're looking forward to going back down there
and wrestling them.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
I'll say that, are you taking the trip? Are you?

Speaker 5 (52:51):
Yep? Me and me and music will both be there.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Oh dude, this is like you know what this is
like this is like one year. I forget what year
it was, but like, uh, I think it was. It
might even sixteen, yeah, because sixteen was Club's Cup, like

(53:18):
one of these years, one of those years, like uh,
Russia lost in the World Cup, Yeah to be Iran,
and they were like, you know, like you know, I
guess we run was like pumped up about or something.
Russia was like, yeah, well, you know, we didn't send
like our number ones or nothing. Yeah, and then the
next World Cup days like they're number ones and it

(53:42):
was a you know, kind of a different result. So
I mean, oh my gosh. You know what It's like,
Hall is so freaking busy between like coaching all the
RTC practices and then the women's team and all that,
so like I don't pop him on as much anyway,

(54:05):
And it's like in this case, I should have said it.
Maybe I still will. We've got like a week and
a half.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Yeah, I'm uh, I know we're looking forward to it,
and I think it's oh.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Stop trying to avoid now providing bulletin board material.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Well I know, I mean I already said enough. I
mean if it's if it's posted, then whatever. I mean,
they're they're gonna hear it anyways. But they I mean,
they know, they know that we're gonna bring dude.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
They were chatting in those stands kid like, they were
like loud.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
I know that what I heard it was a very
hostile crowd, and I think it kind of taught Awesome
off guard. I mean, it is awesome, and that's awesome.
That's what I was gonna say. My point is that
I think it's great. I think it's great that Debuke
can pull a crowd in like that for Greco Roman Wrestling,
and it's great for us too. It's great for Greco

(54:58):
as a whole.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Dude, that's come on, Like I'm telling you, man, like
it's tough because we have a club based sport at
the senior level, right, and so it's you know, like
Dubuque is Debuque has is a college, so they're bringing
out people who support you know, that college. You're from
a college. Like you guys had a dual meet. You

(55:22):
weren't coaching there yet, you were coaching in Minnesota, but
like you know, Northern had that duel meat against Navy
I think in nineteen I want to say it was
and like people came out to that and to me,
this is how you build the sport in our country.
Because the American audience, Terrence Aleski had like a lot

(55:43):
of great insights on this a few years ago too,
on this on this show. But like the American audience
understands duel meets. Yeah, they understand it, like so like yeah, okay,
even if they're not particularly familiar or so with Greco,
like it's still wrestling, they get it and like you

(56:06):
got to give them some something to root for, Like
you have to give people something to root for, and
we don't do that. Everything in our sport, in our
country is tournaments, tournaments, tournaments, tournaments, and who who like
of a like, who among casual fans is going to
like latch onto Greco just by watching a tournament. They're

(56:27):
not going to unless they have some reason to be
invested in it personally. But you give them a dual
meat and they'll watch it. And like, look before, I
don't want to go off and go off and go off, okay,
because you and I are both exhausted by now, fitfully exhausted.
But like West Orange, New Jersey, two years in a row,

(56:50):
leading like days before the New York Athletic Club Tournament
had duel meets, Like one year it was like Team
USA vers Romania, and another year it was uh well
maybe not two years in row, but a couple of
years there, and then one year it was against Korea.
And this is West Orange, which is, by the way,

(57:11):
fifteen minutes or so from where I grew up. And
that's another way of saying not Greco country, okay, not yeah?
And West Orange High School.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Was packed Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
I'm like the entire gym was packed. Everybody chant Usa, USA, USA,
and it's Greco Roman wrestling. Yeah, and it's like that's
what the American wrestling audience understands. It's a language they understand.
Like we need to like find a way to mobilize
duel meets and like create a rooting interest around them,

(57:46):
like we totally do.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
All right, Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Looking forward to it, and hopefully they make the trip
up next year because get dome filled up with people
and make it twice as loud.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
So yes, that's that's what I'm talking about for sure. Uh,
not to echo year one hundred. Have you been lifting weights?

Speaker 5 (58:16):
Why do I look stronger? I'm just asking, No, I I've.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Started again this uh this fall, started getting back into
it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I Uh, do you lift with the guys or do
you lift like during the day.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
I lived with the guys or heavyweight?

Speaker 3 (58:33):
You put on some weight this summer and got pretty big,
And I wouldn't say he's pushing me around, but he's
getting harder to move.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
So I figured it's I better start lifting again.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
So can he outlift you? Oh?

Speaker 5 (58:48):
Probably?

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Oh you never admit that publicly.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Oh my yeah, I was never strong. I was never
very strong, though, I'm not afraid to admit that. Everybody
who knows you knows.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
That nose you're not strong. That's what they know.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Lifting weights wise, you know, I was, I could you
know more, focus more on wrestling.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I guess, well, there's something to be said for that,
of course. I mean, for there's wrestling strength and there's
weightlifting strength. Yeah, and if you have a good training
program or whatever, you find a way. I guess to
marry the two. But no, your shoulders did look wider,

(59:36):
at least on stream. I'm not kidding with you. Yes,
I'm dead serious.

Speaker 5 (59:39):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Like, but what are you doing? Like are you doing
like your own program or are you just lifting according
to the same curriculum as your guys?

Speaker 3 (59:50):
No, I don't. I don't do their lift. I just
kind of focus on trying to say this without I
try to focus on what feels good that day and
what I can lift without feeling bad the next day.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
So try to do And I don't lift.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Heavy anymore with my shoulders and stuff not being the best,
So I do lighter weights, just more reps.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
And stuff like that. So just try to stay stay healthy,
you know, hm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
What about batting cages?

Speaker 5 (01:00:32):
Haven't hit too many? I probably should though.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Well, let me ask you this, like, so, like, this
is a serious question. Okay, I'm not trying to be cute, Like, yeah,
if you play softball, yeah, and it's it's what is
it what they say? It's uh, oh gosh, what do
you call it? Twelve foot arc? Is that what?

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Okay? Would to prepare, like to adequately kind of train
yourself train like prepare would you go into a banning
cage and hit like, you know whatever, medium speed, you know,
fast pitch baseballs, or would you go into a batter
cage to hit softballs? Because they a lot of the

(01:01:23):
band cages have softball as well. Like it'll lob it
to you. So, like, which would you do?

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
I would do softball?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I mean, but.

Speaker 5 (01:01:36):
Yeah, softball for sure. I mean the league I play in, though,
I mean there's no it's not twelve foot Those guys
throw the ball as high as they want when they're pitching, so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Someone higher is harder.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, I mean, this guy's throwing the ball twenty five
thirty feet in the air and it's all close to
impossible the time it right to get a.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Good hit on it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
What'd you close the season at? Like average wise?

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
Though probably like three p fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Yes, I mean baseball wise, that's obviously excellent.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
So yeah, I mean we're up, but we were up
in the A League this year after winning the championship
last year's set its copper teams this year, but you know,
looking to bounce.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Back tupper teams this year, they were throwing the ball higher.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
I'm telling you, it's no joke. It's no joke hitting
the pitch that's coming down like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Yeah, but I don't understand, like there's hardly any backspin right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
It's it would be as if someone dropped a ball
straight down and you had to hit it from and
you don't know if it's going to be a striker
or ball, but it's coming straight down and you have
the time to hit it, and it may not seem hard,
but it is okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
No, no, no, I I can picture it. I never
never did it, never played I just love baseball, as
you know, like I love baseball, and I haven't played
baseball since I was in sixth grade. So uh, but
what I don't get is that how do I say this?

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I understand that they lob it high and like so
it's coming straight down and it's like it's not a
speed that you're timing so much as like level.

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
You're trying to time, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
But then why don't like but nobody bunts right?

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
No? No?

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
See see. But that's to me stupid because like, if
you're going to struggle to make contact, like consistent contact
with it, why wouldn't you just bunt? Not like I'm okay,
maybe not you because like I I don't know, like
you're a power hitter, so it'd be a waste. But
like do you know what I mean? Like, if it's

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that hard to hit, like I could see it being tricky,
like being fair, I would just bund it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
But is that against the rules?

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
The rules?

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Oh my gosh? And what kind of sport is this?
Like why would that? I don't even understand that, Like
that's a principal part of baseball.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
It's men's league softball, yeat?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
But you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Yeah, I understand, but I don't know. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Yeah, are you allowed to shift? Like are the infielders
allowed to shift?

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Are there three outfielders or four we.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Have four mm hmm, yeah, our short stop. He's the
best player on the team. He's just shifting all over
the place all the time because he knows where the
batters are going to hit it, and he's he's pretty
good about it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
So so now I get why you would pick softball
the batting cage, because what's the point of like, even
if you were confident enough to hit, Like I don't know,
in New Jersey, we used to have like a batting
cage is we'd have like Goose gossage, which was like,
I think, like ninety mile per hour batting cage. So
if you were like someone who was pretty good or

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at the very least a door who wanted to go
in there and just swing and miss ten times, you've
gone that one. Yeah, But it doesn't make sense to
go and hit baseballs even if it's coming out of
medium velocity because it's not the same timing is what
you're trying.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
To get at, right, That's what I'm getting at.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Yeah, huh yeah, Then how would anybody prepare for that? Like,
how would anybody train for it?

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
I don't know. It's tough, that's all I know. Just
need more practice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah, I guess you could take like a softball, like
drill a hole into it with a like a hook
or something, and then just like drop it off of
a roof, take a whack at it, reel it back up,

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drop it again, like because you figure you're training. Yeah,
you're training your eyes too. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
It's not a bad idea.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Yeah, well, uh nobody cares so anyway, uh huh, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
And that was my good friend Parker Betts, who is
the assistant coach for Northern Michigan University, and this was
I think his third appearance on the podcast, and that
is something we're going to try to do a bit
more this season, not just produce more podcasts, but also
have Parker come on and talk about NMU related items,

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promote the program, promote its athletes, and as mentioned this
coming Saturday September. On September October five is the WU
CARTC Showcase, which is a fundraiser for the WU CARTC,
so that's super important, but it also features a duel
meat between the WU CARTC and Northern Michigan and any

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and all pertinent details related to this event will be
released later in the week. It's streamed last year, so
I imagine that it's streaming this year too. Last year it
streamed on flow. I look whatever is going on with
the availability to watch it, and also how you could
sport the debut RTC. That'll be included in material later

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in the world, so look forward to that. And although
I did say that we weren't going to have a
long segment here to close out, and I'm pretty much
sticking to that. Just wants to mention since the Vaalamar
Cup was two days ago and the US had a
really strong performance, taking third behind Georgia and Ukraine. Four

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bronze medallists Max Black, Benji Peak, Peyton Jacobsen and Becca
Melashpheili and two silvers Billy Sullivan and Dalton Roberts. Dalton
Roberts had a match in that tournament, second match he
only had two matches actually, but his second match which
against Georgi Takadze from Georgia. He's a beast U twenty

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three world champion. I think he took silver also and
Dalton broke him and it was a very solid breaking.
Such a term exists, and that's also going to be
isolated and explored a little further so look forward to that.

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Social media concerns. Social media concerns. To follow Parker bets,
you can do so on Instagram at Jurassic Parker one
thirty and as importantly, if for being honest, maybe even
more so, follow the Northern Michigan Wrestling Program Greco Roman
Wrestling Program on Instagram and that is at NMU Underscore

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Nts Wrestling NMU Underscore Nts Wrestling. To follow Dennis Hall
on Twitter, you can do so at Dennis Hall WGW,
and more importantly, follow the Dubuke RTC on Instagram and

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it for episode sixty one. Everybody, thanks for listening, and
we'll see you soon.