August 9, 2025 • 32 mins
Calgary’s Top Netminders – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 254
Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14
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Hosts Brad Burud and Kyle Lewis delve into the history of Calgary Flames goaltenders on this special offseason episode of Flames Unfiltered. They explore memorable figures like Miikka Kiprusoff, Mike Vernon, and Curtis Joseph, while also revisiting lesser-known names such as Trevor Kidd and Leland Irving. The lively discussion touches on fan-favorite acquisitions, disappointments, and surprises in net, providing listeners with nostalgic insights and entertaining anecdotes. Join Brad and Kyle as they dissect the Flames' goaltending legacy, spark debate, and reminisce about unforgettable moments in franchise history.
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Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14
--- EPISODE 254 ---
SPECIAL EPISODE
Hosts Brad Burud and Kyle Lewis delve into the history of Calgary Flames goaltenders on this special offseason episode of Flames Unfiltered. They explore memorable figures like Miikka Kiprusoff, Mike Vernon, and Curtis Joseph, while also revisiting lesser-known names such as Trevor Kidd and Leland Irving. The lively discussion touches on fan-favorite acquisitions, disappointments, and surprises in net, providing listeners with nostalgic insights and entertaining anecdotes. Join Brad and Kyle as they dissect the Flames' goaltending legacy, spark debate, and reminisce about unforgettable moments in franchise history.
Website: Flames Unfiltered
Listen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts
Watch: YouTUBE
Social Media – X - @FlameUnfiltered |FACEBOOK – Flames Unfiltered |INSTAGRAM – Flames Unfiltered | TikTok – flames.unfiltered
NHL #HockeyX #TalkinHockey #HockeyPodcast #Flames #cofred #nhlflames #calgaryflames #YYC #FireItUp
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hey, Flames fans, It's time for another special off season
episode of Flames Unfiltered. I am hosts Brad Rude and
Kyle Lewis. The other holes joins me like we do
every single week talking Flames hockey, and it's an interesting
and I think it's gonna be a pretty funny, entertaining
episode as we dive deep into the greatest goaltenders in
(00:47):
Calgary Flames history. So my first thought is how long
is this episode going to be?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Seven minutes?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We usually do thirty in these special episodes. I'm not sure.
We have actually have some pretty cool things to talk about,
because there was some really high points, but the depth
of the goaltending has not been a big plus in concrete.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
No, not over the years. I mean, it's very easy
for us to hear and talk about as we often have,
but Mike Phone and to make it, Kipersoff is the
two kind of stallwarts of the franchise, which is exactly
what they were. However, based on some conversations you and
I have had and some memories you and I have
as individuals, I suspect we're gonna throw some pretty random
names here.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Very random, but I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on
the spot. So if someone stopped you in the bar
and said, all right, who are the best three Flames
goalies in history? Who are they?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Ooh well, make it Kipersoft number one, Mike Phoneer number two.
That is so painfully easy. The third spot is very,
very difficult. But it depends are we talking about the
goaltender in general or his goaltender in terms of what
he was to the Flames.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
With the Flames, because I know who you would say
otherwise and probably fire off J. S. Jaguar probably right, Nope, ooh.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
My missing Curtis Joseph.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah he was. You could even throw
grand Fear, even though I don't think Grandfeer was ever
that great of goalie. I think he was a goalie
hell of a team in front of him.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, and he made the says he had to, which
is always the cliche I think people say it. Yeah,
Curtis Joseph. Curtis Joseph was the third best goaltender never
put on the Flames colors in my opinion, because I
think athletically run support by the teams they played for
way way better than than Grant Fear As an athlete. However, no,
respective you're intended, because I was nothing better winner, the
(02:55):
third best goaltender to play for the Flames, and I
actually was just looking this up to but I'm going
to go a little off the board here and say
Fred Brathway.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You know, there's a lot of talk for that, and
then and I have hard him arguing. I think if
statistically speaking, I think a lot of people would pull
out a guy me and you don't even know, and
that's Dan Bouchard. I don't know who he is, so
I mean I know the name obviously, and I've read
the numbers, but like, I can't speak about him, right,
you know, you say Fred Brathway, and I'll think a
(03:23):
lot of people will be like what really? Like really?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Who?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He hit a point nine h nine save percentage for
this organization.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Which is incredible for how crappy those teams were they
played on.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Right, Yeah, he was a five hundred goalie here.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I think he's yeah, fifty twenty five, twenty five and seven,
I think ninety nine two thousand with five shoutouts on
a horrible, horrible team. Yeah, that's incredible. Those are incredible numbers.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know, who's another one? And I'm gonna throw this
out and I'm gonna say it right now, the one
that everybody there. I have two goalies that I feel
have been like very underrated but we're really good. Well
Fred Brothwood probably obviously he's a description of that. But
remember Chad Johnson.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh yeah, Brian Elliott.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Johnson was due Brian Elliott. He's I'm soured on him
because of that one playoffs, like.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I can't even by Anaheim, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, I can't even Yeah, But I mean you look
at Chad Johnson's numbers in Calgary. He was a zero
point nine to one save percentage.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Wow. Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
He didn't play a ton of games here. To play
thirty six games here, so not a time. But you know,
another one that that comes to mind that was really
good when he was here was was Cam Talbot. He
went twenty two of twenty six games.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Really, what do you think about the goaltenders to that
success elsewhere? I mean, it's such a weird topic for
Flames fans because it's like that's the Toascola. I have
one of his game boards. Yeah, and he was the
number one A or one B goaltender, but behind of
getting to back off in San jose Kippersoft was very
(05:03):
firmly number three, right. Hosco was the starting goal tone
for the Leaps for a time, right. Uh, Curtis Joseph
started everywhere, Brian Bouchet broke in and Chill Shutrock for
five straight. I mean, all these guys played for Calgary,
but very few of them had sustained success with Calgary. Yeah,
and Chad Johnson Brian Elliott season those two which was
(05:23):
sixteen seventeen, I want to say.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
And Johnson was sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, there it is. Oh yeah, and Elliott was there
a tandem and they were a tandem until Elliott face
playing in the playoffs tighter.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They both had eight percentage of point nine over in
the point nine. I mean they were both up there, right,
They were fantastic.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was the perfect tandem. That Okay, pound for pound,
that was the best Golden attendem we've ever had, other
than the brief time we had. Kippersoft and Joseph was
a tandem for half a season lowaito nine. Yeah, and
that is not a for debate in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh, I'm with you. You know this is a question,
and I knew this I want to bring this because
I knew what sparked debate, But like, where do you
fit Jacob Marx from in this?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Hmmm? Yeah? Markstrom was phenomenal in the two season and
had some other good seasons to coagoy for sure, But
I never understood why he got so many alcohlades. I
really didn't. Between Florida, Vancouver and then Calgary. It was
(06:37):
a good goaltender, a little bit injury prono times, but
I don't understand why he had such a wild pedigree
about him that people were so gunk to acquire him
like the Devil's eventually did never got it.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
See I I was super pumped when we acquired him.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think one of the reasons why like the market
really took to him was initially when he got here.
I mean, he fired off a lot of shutouts. I
believe had fifteen shutouts while he was in Calgary, and.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He had ten one year, which tied Kippersoft's record.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, did that year not like mentally kind of like
solidify him as like a stalwart, you know, like a
guy you didn't have to worry about in the net.
But you know, when you think about it, there was
some times we really did have to worry, you know.
But he he quickly became a fan favorite, I think,
and a lot of it was just because of that
(07:26):
those shutouts, you know, I mean there was such that
was such a critical time for him.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Right. He made some real, highly real saves too. But
I gotta be honest, I hated having to go thinder
wear number twenty five. I hated it with a passion.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I didn't here like my favorite goalie number. Remember when
remember when I was a kid, there was a goalie
that it was a younger kid goalie, like a junior
goalie that wore number double zero. And I love that
And I know you can't now and I know didn't
the hell's his name? Martin Beran were that and.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And uh yeah, Buffalo and he did.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And I believe John Davidson won it for the Ward
for the New York Rangers back in the early eighties.
But it just I thought it was a cool number
for a goalie. But you know, twenty five never really
bothered me. I just hated fort woo put and wear
twenty one year in Santos eight.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Like for a while a four ward twenty his entire
career did he really yep, Chicago, Toronto, Dallas, Sados. He
warred everywhere everywhere.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I remember him warning numbers. You were number thirty.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I believe he wore twenty as a tribute to Vaslav tretiak.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I don't think him really weren't a sentence as a
goldender actually, but for whatever reason, marks from wearing twenty five.
Just I just hated the look of that. I want
to say one, thirty, thirty one, thirty three, thirty five,
thirty nine, even eighty with Dan Ladak could accept.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I liked the eight. I didn't mind.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Or the best eighty goaltender of all time Jarren Poopa
type of Bay lighting, Aaron Poopa body, mine's a big
poop of Mark all these years later, So gona give
him shout out right.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So one thing I wanted to bring up on and
when we did this episode is like when we first
acquired a goalie, like who are you the most excited for?
Two of them come to mind for me?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Like, oh, two of them.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Come to mind for me. One of them I'm totally embarrassed,
but the other one was okay.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
The most excited I've ever been for a golden acquisition
in my life was Curtis Joseph. I was obsessed with
Curtis Joseph as a Toronto maple Leaf and when he's.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Signing Calgary, nine games here.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And he bailed as head of a playoff game game
he had three against you know nine. But anyway, I
have an autographed photo of Curtis Joseph in a flame
jersey behind me, like I am such a mark for Gujo.
I love that man to death such that anybody else
behind it is firmly second place. But my second place
goaltender in terms of players we acquired for a goalie
(09:57):
that I was excited about was Roman turk Okay because
that to me was like, oh, we got like a
big name goaltender, even though we'd flopped in the playoffs
the previous season. With San Jose, he immediately read a
lot of two shutouts. Was he finished thirty and twenty
eight that season. The year the game led to two goals,
and he he flopped a bit throughout the season, but
(10:19):
he was a big, big goaltender. He had a cool
iron Maden mask. He looked awesomer and blasty like he
he just he checked a lot of boxes that a
young Kyle was really into you know.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh yeah, I got it. I got it.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So yeah, okay, they.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Weren't starting lineups that. What were the figurines back then,
McFarlane McFarland, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It was two. It was two Roman erk ones. Now
I rambled way too long. There, give me your two
Lame on me.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You know, I remember when we require a quired Jonnis
Hiller and how.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You were so You're such a mark for that, You're
so excited.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I was so excited for that. And when I look
back now, I'm just like, God, the hell was I thinking?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But I was.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I was super I thought he was the Savior. Was
super pumped for that one. I was fairly excited for Markstrom.
But the other one that sticks in my mind was
Trevor Kidd And I think I'm going to bring this
up and I'm going to reflect on what you just said.
He checked a lot of boxes for me. As a
young kid. I was probably I'm not I'm probably pretty
(11:19):
close to the same age as him, to be honest
with you. But he had that mask and those pads. Yeah,
I mean, he just you know, I was collecting cards
at the time, and you get the Trevor kid Or.
I remember McDonald's and Canada had the little mask you could.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Oh yeah, I remember that. So let me let me
ask this. How old are you?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I'm fifty two.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Trevor Kid is fifty three.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah. I figured he was real close to me, close
to me, but yeah, I just I mean, he check
he did. He checked off all those boxes for me
when I was just really I was just you know,
getting out of high school and and and he was
just such. He played in the brand for the Brandon
week Kings, and the Weekings were so good at that
time with Marty Murray and oh my gosh, I just
(12:05):
pumped it in. He goes to Calgary and he's got
these killer pads and it was something else. I was
so excited for him.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He got yeah, and he got traded for Andrew Castle's
and JS Shagara, which in hindsight was really really wicked
trade for the Flames.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
He did play one hundred and seventy eight games in Calgary.
And I'm gonna tell you another story. I used to
go up to Winnipeg and watch the Flames play right,
And I swear to God every time I went and
watched the Flames, Ivor Trevor Kidd was not playing, I
would get Rick Taberacchi or I would get like and
that's no, no, no knock on Taberacchi. I was always
(12:40):
kind of like a secret favorite of him too. So
he had some killer masks and some and it was
a good good goalie too. But I never got to
see Trevor Kidd play live, and it just it irritates
me to this day.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's funny things that bother.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, well, you know what we talked about the which
ones we were the most most excited it for which
ones were we were the most disappointed in.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's the Toscola. Uh. Toscola had needed he needed hip
surgery if I recall correctly, you know nine o ten.
So he had a very short stint with the Flames
and left his free agent. He just he always seemed
like he had more to give than just between injuries
and just bad luck couldn't seem to make it happen.
So for me, Toscola Uh, and then just so you know,
(13:26):
I'm gonna I'm gonna love everyone one category the litany
of kippersoft backups, Phil Solvey, Brian Bouche, Curtis maclenny. He
went on to become make back up with tamp Bay
Lightning and had tremendous success as an angel backup Goald Thunder,
but not in Calgary. Matt Keatley, Cleland Irving.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Leland Irving is my number one. I was so pumped
for him.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Wait suck.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
John Gillies is a number the other one that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I had high as after Gillies played for the World
unerty for the US, I had high host for him.
Man Tyler persons, yes, you know, and you know all
the respectator persons. He had some the fimer of breakfast
meant to health issues, but a tremendous, tremendous talent that
really never you know, got old at the professional level.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm going way back. I don't even know if you
were alive. I don't think you were. Jim Craig wins
an Olympic gold for the United States, and he's very yes,
and he goes to the Atlanta Flames and it was
actually my first time that I even recognized or even
knew anything of the Flames. I was not a Flames
(14:34):
fan at that point. That came in about eighty four,
but this guy was like, we're getting you know, I mean,
I just remember watching people actually watched Atlanta Flames games
in the States because of him, right, and he didn't
play along. He played just a few games. I mean
it was literally like I think it was under ten games,
but I mean it was. It was crazy that Yeah,
(14:56):
the hype that there was coming for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Wow. Yeah, I don't have any question of that at all.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
No, you weren't alive. Were you born?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Talk about it?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wait till Lin shocking me in twenty years? All right?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah? Right? Uh? And so many, so many goaltenders.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So so here's the question. Tell me some of the
goalies that you irritated the hell out of you.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Andre Medvedev because Medvedev was a monster for the Russians
and the World Juniors, but was in the worst condition
of any goaltender ever and never played for the Flames.
Jeff Reese, who I thought, oh yeah at that time,
should have been a lot better. Uh, Tyler Tyler Moss
because I thought, why can't we get somebody else to
(15:47):
do this position? And again, hey, the guy played in NHL.
I'm not knocking the players at all, just like it's
just it was such developmental hell for Flames goaltenders and
it was such a mishmash and just random options. It
was awful.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I got two I distinctly cannot stand.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Okay, just let's just jump back to that. What do
he get?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm the in hands down like the guy that I
just He irritated me from day one till the day
he left, and quite honestly irritated me even more a
year later. And that was Mike Smith. His personality was shit.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
He took kirk no responsibility.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
He was a jerk. He would freaking suck. He'd come
out of his net, make stupid plays. It would end
up in the back of our net, and he'd blame
it on somebody else. And I don't understand that. I
to this day, I would love love to talk to
some of his teammates and find out the truth of
what they really thought of Mike Smith.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know, twenty nineteen Jerumegillar retirement night. He really ruined
that night for me. I was there in a box, yeah,
the super player. We got stuck behind the net with
a couple of wild players, and the wild one think
was four to three. He ruined that game for me,
and then late a few months later in the playoffs,
or a month or so later, he seemed to redeem
himself against Colorado. He was the lights out, the only
reason we even came close to winning more than one
(17:16):
game against Colorado. But I remember the interviews that you're
talking about, and I think for that reason, I just
shoved them into my brain. He just just no no
self awareness, no responsibility, no just nothing. Some more positive
because I don't talk abot Mike Smith anymore. I think
one goaltender we both kind of liked. I know why
(17:37):
I really liked, and I want him to stick around
longer than he did, maybe just because he had a
cool name. I don't want your thoughts on him. Was
Carri Ramo. Yeah, I loved Cari Ramo and I don't
even know why.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I mean, gosh, he played over one hundred games for
this team.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Wild, that's so crazy to think about.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Pan Vladar played one hundred games.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Oh wow, Yeah, probably three seasons, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah he did. He played a hundred games. But yeah,
I mean they have a lot of playing more games
here than Mike Smith did he did.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, get it here, you're kidding.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That's what the stats says on Hockey Reference.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
What the hell? How is that? Even?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It says that Dan Vladar played a hundred games and Mike.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Man that was wild? What the all right?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Okay, all right, I know I'm questioning the stats on
the I'm on the page.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well and understandably so, because all right, so when you
talk about something like that, we have such vivid memories
of somebody who was in our starting role, right you
don't realize that a guy hung around as a backup
for three four seasons.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Right, Yeah, Well, so here's another one for you. This
is a guy that I loved him but wanted to
punch him frequently, and that was David Riddick. Like I,
I loved him off guy in the entire world. How
many games you think keep played in Calgary.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Eighty?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
He was your five years, pay one hundred and thirty games.
He has got the tenth most games played by a
Flames goalie in history. That's think about that.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Wild. No, I don't want to think about anymore. That's wild.
It's crazy, nuts nuts man, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Man, If I I swear to God, if if Dustin
Wolf throws his stick in the air after a shutout,
I'm jumping on the ice gonna catch that stick, put
it right back in his hand because I do not
want that jinx on it again.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Because this worry about that.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
The day that Riddick did that, like he his game
just went. It was gone. Oh man, So here's another.
So who did you not?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Like? Philsova drove me crazy? Okay, well, I mean the
coach is satroke me crazy, dude, because you just nobody
would spell capisoftare in length the time and that's drove me.
Ou It's like you're gonna wear them, You're gonna wear
him out, like stop it your backup player, backup. They
wouldn't do it. Hmmm. I never had a lot of
(20:08):
issues with goaltenders in Calgary other than that. I mean,
I remember being frustrated year we had Joey McDonald red
o'bera and it's like, man, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You can't we can't go to the well with these
two and all.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Those goaltenders played above their heads to make the team
more competitive. They should have been like we had, you know,
other than strafting Sam Bennett fourth overall, like we didn't
have anywhere near the draft picks we should have, right
based on how batter goaltending was on paper at least, you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Know, a goalie I want to talk about is uh.
I don't know, you played fifty seven games in Calgary
and lost more than he won. But like he was
such a huge part. And that's Jamie mcclennan.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I was waiting for that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You still see my TSN. He's he's the author of
my favorite book of all time, Best Seat in the House.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's so crazy to me. If all the books out
there like that, just what's my mind now? And noticspect
to Jamie's book. It's like, man, no, I know that
that's a hard I had to buy that book like
third hand on eBay. It's on easy line.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Maybe it tells me how stupid I am. I don't know,
Like I remember reading that book in bed and waking
my wife up multiple times because I was laughing so hard.
Like it is a good book, like it it is.
And maybe I'm goofy. I don't know, but you are
a goofy, But go on, I know. He just he
has a funny way. And I still like listening to
Mantia Center if he's on one of the radios in
(21:27):
Calgary or a podcast or whatever. I listened to him.
I like him. He's entertaining, I mean, he's got wonderful
stories and and I listened to him and especially in
his book how he talks about his time with me
Ka Kippersoft and what those two, what he did to
help Kippersoft. I think he was an integral part. And
I'd love to sit down and have a coffee with
Kippersoft and find out what he thought, because I bet
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you one hundred dollars he would say how important Jamie
mcclennan was to his career.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh, I'm sure it has no doubt about that at all,
not at all. Who did you have the highest hopes
for that didn't pend out as a prospect goal.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Theender Leland herb Man. I just remember getting card well
and like, I don't know, only they kind of shoved
him in our face like he was going to be
the next great thing, right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Wasn't he also an ever at Silver Chip like Dustin
Wolf he was?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, he was, yeah, a great thing.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Hey, Like I you know, I felt similarly. I mean
I think back to even Brent Krahan, who is you know,
Takran's credit has spent twenty years now lambasting his own
career and lack of deliverance on his promise as a
prospect goal ender. I hate to say it in a way,
but for me, it was Tyler Persons. I really thought
he's been the next big thing for Calgary, and to
(22:46):
a lesser extent, but very similarly, it was John Gillies.
I think Gillies had some knee problems and he had
curved a career as a career HL or in the
Saint Louis organization and somewhere else, I believe, But I
really it was John Gillies and John Gibson on the
US World Junior team.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I remember, Yeah, Gillies was supposed to be the yea.
Another guy that was supposed to be I remember, and
I was young, but I remember, just remember hearing people
talking about Jason Mazzotti too, was supposed to be a
good player.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And I'm like, so, let's break up the card book
while we do this, because we're near the end of
the special episode. Let's let's throw it a few other
flames gooth undernames.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Okay, how about I know you don't know this one
because I don't remember this one. Oh, that was a
lot of time. That's not fair throwing out from the
year you're born. Do you remember Doug Dadsworth, our dad's.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well, I remember, I remember the dads. I remember the name.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, I mean there is some how many goalies. Guess
how many goalies have I have played for the Flames
A game A game.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Sixty fifty eight.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh man dialing in.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Here, let us all wild. That's absolutely wild. That was
such a stupid guess. And I have like a ton
of gold unders. I forgot about it. Let's just run
through for your names. Yes, I remember Eddie Lack of course.
I got traded for Ryan Murphy, who was like, oh,
I'm glad to play for cal Greek. I bought out
twenty minutes later.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I got one that Don Edwards. I got one that
you forgot about that we haven't talked about, and we should.
He was a guest. He was a guest on Flames
Unfiltered before you were on Flames Unfiltered. He was a
guest Dwayne Rolisson, who was Dwayne Rolls Dye show.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, former Saint John Flame. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yes, man, you have his phone number. His his two
sons played junior hockey here and I got to know
him over the season because he would always stand in
the same corner as me. At the games, and we'd
visit and have a few drinks. And one day I said, hey,
let's uh, I got this Flames podcast. You want to
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come on the show. I have a I have It's
sitting in my basement here. I can't get to it
right at the moment because I'm recording. But I got
a Dwayne Rolison goalie mask signed. It's bad. It's an
ugly goalie mask. It's a it's that old olie mask
that he wore that had a horse on the side.
Blow and fire out its nose. That's a it's a
bad blasting.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's a great guy. He's a great, great guy.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So let's run through some names here. Okay, okay, that's
way too cool. By the way, Dwyn Rolson, of course,
he's best known for carrying the Oilers to the six
Cup finals.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Talked a lot about it on the and we talked
for like thirty minutes. It's all the reference to what
episode that was. But he's on there and uh, and
he talks about his time in Edmonton and and his
time in Tampa. And it's interesting. It's very interesting, too cool.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I love that. Uh. Yoni Ortio Okay, fifteen sixteen three
A Monster of Flames, Gold Things, featuring Carramo and Yoni Hiller.
So he orteo. Who I thought it was going to
be a big, big piece. He wasn't. Tyrone Garner what
who is that? Go ahead? Look him up?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Did he even play? He couldn't have played a game.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I have a facky card.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
One game and yeah, one game? Not a good night?
He is twenty three's a percentage?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, better than some though. Reggie Lemelin, who was pretty
well known. Yeah, man, I have, oh my, the Calgary Tower.
Henrik Carlson.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Oh yeah, you know what? Another one that I forgot
to mention earlier. Remember Andre treffle Off.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I have his card right here.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I do.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Remember. There's Dwayne Rolson, There's Phil Silvey, There's Jeff Reese.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Reese is the back of Governon correct.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yes, correct? Rick Ramsley who was part of that famous
more trade. Ken reggittt NHL journeyman goaltender Ken Reggan.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I always think of Ken Reggitt is a Pittsburgh Penguin.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Me to Wayne gretzkis Tredy Hockey. I think you played
the Penguins in that video game, Tim Zaga Doolin. You
know what.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I just saw his name. One game under his belt
for the Flames point eight one eight Yeah, not a night,
not a night.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And either that's as far as I can go, or
that's as far as I care to go.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
That is digging deep.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Now for those who watch you, dub but I'm gonna
close Docky guardbook can put this thing away.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So there is six Flames goalies that played one game
and one game only. We have mentioned one of them,
so I don't expect you to get this.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And I won't, so please tell me five of them.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Louis de Ming played one game.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Mat Oh, the fucking Baker. Yeah, I have stories about him,
but I'll say those for another day. Yeah, Louis de Ming,
Matt former Mook, the Waldcat loud Ming, Matt Kaylee, Yes,
go on Scotts More. Oh, I forgot about kay Whitmore.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Everybody's goaltending coach y yep, and then Zaga Doulan all
played one. Oh hey, here's the one that we didn't
talk about. Remember when Nicholas Baxtrom was a Flame.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, four games.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And he beat the Wild in his last national game.
He did four one I want to say.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
So, do you think this team is different if we
don't take trade J S. Tagere Or was he just
part of a timing system type good team in Anaheim?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
M M. I think he needed a change the scenery,
which might be the lie I tell myself to myself
feel less bad about how terribly it was the Flames.
To be honest, he's a legendary Saint John Flame, not
a legendary Calgary Flame. But I just remember him and
O three with Anaheim against Detroit being gassed and like
the second or third overtime and having an oxygen tank
brought to him in the crease because he was so
tired for making so many saves.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh jeez, you want to crazier.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Than talking about Dula on this show? Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I'm I'm having a hard time believing these numbers. I really,
I'm honestly, I am. I'm having a hard time. Do
you know that Dustin wolf Is then has played the
nineteenth most games for a Flames goalie?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Man, he's played seventy. Yeah, I'm sure he has.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Man, that's bonkers.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That is in two years, In two years he'll be
top five and Flames game played and probably second to
third and.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Top fives two hundred and thirteen games. That's Jacob Markstrom.
I think he gets there.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I don't even know. I bet you I don't. If
you to put a gun on my head to day
and said name me the top five in games played
for the Flames and goalies, I would have got three
of them. Right.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, Well that's the thing, you know, I mean, the
years just slip away. Man one, he's great, It's unreal.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Look look at that said it's great. Gipprisoff is one,
Vernon's two, Dan Bouchard's three, Reggie Lemelin's four, and Jacob
marks from five.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Man Dan Bushard is gonna be stuck in third for
so freaking long unless Wolf signs an eight year extension,
you know what I mean? Like, oh man, what a
fun what a fun episode.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well, it's just funny to see these goalies and you
forget about so many of them, right, I mean, we
just forget about it, that's what we do. Yep. Are
we getting through the summer. We're getting there slowly, slowly.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's been a real slog, but we're getting there.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yet. Get there. That's good. We got we got some
time to go, so we're gonna get there. But it
has been fun doing these special episodes. It's been a
good time.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And uh yeah, excuse me that that's what I think
of the Flames Golden History thera.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
That means it's time for bed too, all right, Alwalking
Flame Hockey and I love that episode. It was fun that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
God I broke up a hockey carrots man, there's like
twelve guys would never get mentioned ever again in the
history of mankind.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
If I haven't you know what if if this episode
did nothing else, if it didn't entertain you, it brought
back some memories, I guarantee it. Right, Well, we.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Try to do both those things. The cements will only
do one, but hopefully we did.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
All right, played sense, have a good rest of your summer.
We're back soon. Flames talk every week, but we're back
to some regular episodes here real soon, so then the
season will get here. It will, it'll get here, I promise.
But enjoy what's left for the summer, and we're back
talking play hockey next week.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The next time, guys. Take care.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Worth.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
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Hey, Flames fans, It's time for another special off season
episode of Flames Unfiltered. I am hosts Brad Rude and
Kyle Lewis. The other holes joins me like we do
every single week talking Flames hockey, and it's an interesting
and I think it's gonna be a pretty funny, entertaining
episode as we dive deep into the greatest goaltenders in
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Calgary Flames history. So my first thought is how long
is this episode going to be?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Seven minutes?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We usually do thirty in these special episodes. I'm not sure.
We have actually have some pretty cool things to talk about,
because there was some really high points, but the depth
of the goaltending has not been a big plus in concrete.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
No, not over the years. I mean, it's very easy
for us to hear and talk about as we often have,
but Mike Phone and to make it, Kipersoff is the
two kind of stallwarts of the franchise, which is exactly
what they were. However, based on some conversations you and
I have had and some memories you and I have
as individuals, I suspect we're gonna throw some pretty random
names here.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Very random, but I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on
the spot. So if someone stopped you in the bar
and said, all right, who are the best three Flames
goalies in history? Who are they?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Ooh well, make it Kipersoft number one, Mike Phoneer number two.
That is so painfully easy. The third spot is very,
very difficult. But it depends are we talking about the
goaltender in general or his goaltender in terms of what
he was to the Flames.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
With the Flames, because I know who you would say
otherwise and probably fire off J. S. Jaguar probably right, Nope, ooh.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
My missing Curtis Joseph.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah he was. You could even throw
grand Fear, even though I don't think Grandfeer was ever
that great of goalie. I think he was a goalie
hell of a team in front of him.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, and he made the says he had to, which
is always the cliche I think people say it. Yeah,
Curtis Joseph. Curtis Joseph was the third best goaltender never
put on the Flames colors in my opinion, because I
think athletically run support by the teams they played for
way way better than than Grant Fear As an athlete. However, no,
respective you're intended, because I was nothing better winner, the
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third best goaltender to play for the Flames, and I
actually was just looking this up to but I'm going
to go a little off the board here and say
Fred Brathway.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You know, there's a lot of talk for that, and
then and I have hard him arguing. I think if
statistically speaking, I think a lot of people would pull
out a guy me and you don't even know, and
that's Dan Bouchard. I don't know who he is, so
I mean I know the name obviously, and I've read
the numbers, but like, I can't speak about him, right,
you know, you say Fred Brathway, and I'll think a
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lot of people will be like what really? Like really?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Who?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He hit a point nine h nine save percentage for
this organization.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Which is incredible for how crappy those teams were they
played on.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Right, Yeah, he was a five hundred goalie here.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I think he's yeah, fifty twenty five, twenty five and seven,
I think ninety nine two thousand with five shoutouts on
a horrible, horrible team. Yeah, that's incredible. Those are incredible numbers.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You know, who's another one? And I'm gonna throw this
out and I'm gonna say it right now, the one
that everybody there. I have two goalies that I feel
have been like very underrated but we're really good. Well
Fred Brothwood probably obviously he's a description of that. But
remember Chad Johnson.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh yeah, Brian Elliott.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Johnson was due Brian Elliott. He's I'm soured on him
because of that one playoffs, like.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I can't even by Anaheim, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, I can't even Yeah, But I mean you look
at Chad Johnson's numbers in Calgary. He was a zero
point nine to one save percentage.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Wow. Yeah, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
He didn't play a ton of games here. To play
thirty six games here, so not a time. But you know,
another one that that comes to mind that was really
good when he was here was was Cam Talbot. He
went twenty two of twenty six games.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Really, what do you think about the goaltenders to that
success elsewhere? I mean, it's such a weird topic for
Flames fans because it's like that's the Toascola. I have
one of his game boards. Yeah, and he was the
number one A or one B goaltender, but behind of
getting to back off in San jose Kippersoft was very
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firmly number three, right. Hosco was the starting goal tone
for the Leaps for a time, right. Uh, Curtis Joseph
started everywhere, Brian Bouchet broke in and Chill Shutrock for
five straight. I mean, all these guys played for Calgary,
but very few of them had sustained success with Calgary. Yeah,
and Chad Johnson Brian Elliott season those two which was
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sixteen seventeen, I want to say.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
And Johnson was sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, there it is. Oh yeah, and Elliott was there
a tandem and they were a tandem until Elliott face
playing in the playoffs tighter.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
They both had eight percentage of point nine over in
the point nine. I mean they were both up there, right,
They were fantastic.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was the perfect tandem. That Okay, pound for pound,
that was the best Golden attendem we've ever had, other
than the brief time we had. Kippersoft and Joseph was
a tandem for half a season lowaito nine. Yeah, and
that is not a for debate in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh, I'm with you. You know this is a question,
and I knew this I want to bring this because
I knew what sparked debate, But like, where do you
fit Jacob Marx from in this?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Hmmm? Yeah? Markstrom was phenomenal in the two season and
had some other good seasons to coagoy for sure, But
I never understood why he got so many alcohlades. I
really didn't. Between Florida, Vancouver and then Calgary. It was
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a good goaltender, a little bit injury prono times, but
I don't understand why he had such a wild pedigree
about him that people were so gunk to acquire him
like the Devil's eventually did never got it.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
See I I was super pumped when we acquired him.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think one of the reasons why like the market
really took to him was initially when he got here.
I mean, he fired off a lot of shutouts. I
believe had fifteen shutouts while he was in Calgary, and.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
He had ten one year, which tied Kippersoft's record.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, did that year not like mentally kind of like
solidify him as like a stalwart, you know, like a
guy you didn't have to worry about in the net.
But you know, when you think about it, there was
some times we really did have to worry, you know.
But he he quickly became a fan favorite, I think,
and a lot of it was just because of that
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those shutouts, you know, I mean there was such that
was such a critical time for him.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Right. He made some real, highly real saves too. But
I gotta be honest, I hated having to go thinder
wear number twenty five. I hated it with a passion.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
I didn't here like my favorite goalie number. Remember when
remember when I was a kid, there was a goalie
that it was a younger kid goalie, like a junior
goalie that wore number double zero. And I love that
And I know you can't now and I know didn't
the hell's his name? Martin Beran were that and.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And uh yeah, Buffalo and he did.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And I believe John Davidson won it for the Ward
for the New York Rangers back in the early eighties.
But it just I thought it was a cool number
for a goalie. But you know, twenty five never really
bothered me. I just hated fort woo put and wear
twenty one year in Santos eight.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Like for a while a four ward twenty his entire
career did he really yep, Chicago, Toronto, Dallas, Sados. He
warred everywhere everywhere.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I remember him warning numbers. You were number thirty.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I believe he wore twenty as a tribute to Vaslav tretiak.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I don't think him really weren't a sentence as a
goldender actually, but for whatever reason, marks from wearing twenty five.
Just I just hated the look of that. I want
to say one, thirty, thirty one, thirty three, thirty five,
thirty nine, even eighty with Dan Ladak could accept.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I liked the eight. I didn't mind.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Or the best eighty goaltender of all time Jarren Poopa
type of Bay lighting, Aaron Poopa body, mine's a big
poop of Mark all these years later, So gona give
him shout out right.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So one thing I wanted to bring up on and
when we did this episode is like when we first
acquired a goalie, like who are you the most excited for?
Two of them come to mind for me?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Like, oh, two of them.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Come to mind for me. One of them I'm totally embarrassed,
but the other one was okay.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
The most excited I've ever been for a golden acquisition
in my life was Curtis Joseph. I was obsessed with
Curtis Joseph as a Toronto maple Leaf and when he's.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Signing Calgary, nine games here.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And he bailed as head of a playoff game game
he had three against you know nine. But anyway, I
have an autographed photo of Curtis Joseph in a flame
jersey behind me, like I am such a mark for Gujo.
I love that man to death such that anybody else
behind it is firmly second place. But my second place
goaltender in terms of players we acquired for a goalie
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that I was excited about was Roman turk Okay because
that to me was like, oh, we got like a
big name goaltender, even though we'd flopped in the playoffs
the previous season. With San Jose, he immediately read a
lot of two shutouts. Was he finished thirty and twenty
eight that season. The year the game led to two goals,
and he he flopped a bit throughout the season, but
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he was a big, big goaltender. He had a cool
iron Maden mask. He looked awesomer and blasty like he
he just he checked a lot of boxes that a
young Kyle was really into you know.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh yeah, I got it. I got it.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
So yeah, okay, they.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Weren't starting lineups that. What were the figurines back then,
McFarlane McFarland, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It was two. It was two Roman erk ones. Now
I rambled way too long. There, give me your two
Lame on me.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You know, I remember when we require a quired Jonnis
Hiller and how.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You were so You're such a mark for that, You're
so excited.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I was so excited for that. And when I look
back now, I'm just like, God, the hell was I thinking?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But I was.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I was super I thought he was the Savior. Was
super pumped for that one. I was fairly excited for Markstrom.
But the other one that sticks in my mind was
Trevor Kidd And I think I'm going to bring this
up and I'm going to reflect on what you just said.
He checked a lot of boxes for me. As a
young kid. I was probably I'm not I'm probably pretty
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close to the same age as him, to be honest
with you. But he had that mask and those pads. Yeah,
I mean, he just you know, I was collecting cards
at the time, and you get the Trevor kid Or.
I remember McDonald's and Canada had the little mask you could.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Oh yeah, I remember that. So let me let me
ask this. How old are you?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I'm fifty two.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Trevor Kid is fifty three.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah. I figured he was real close to me, close
to me, but yeah, I just I mean, he check
he did. He checked off all those boxes for me
when I was just really I was just you know,
getting out of high school and and and he was
just such. He played in the brand for the Brandon
week Kings, and the Weekings were so good at that
time with Marty Murray and oh my gosh, I just
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pumped it in. He goes to Calgary and he's got
these killer pads and it was something else. I was
so excited for him.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He got yeah, and he got traded for Andrew Castle's
and JS Shagara, which in hindsight was really really wicked
trade for the Flames.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
He did play one hundred and seventy eight games in Calgary.
And I'm gonna tell you another story. I used to
go up to Winnipeg and watch the Flames play right,
And I swear to God every time I went and
watched the Flames, Ivor Trevor Kidd was not playing, I
would get Rick Taberacchi or I would get like and
that's no, no, no knock on Taberacchi. I was always
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kind of like a secret favorite of him too. So
he had some killer masks and some and it was
a good good goalie too. But I never got to
see Trevor Kidd play live, and it just it irritates
me to this day.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's funny things that bother.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, well, you know what we talked about the which
ones we were the most most excited it for which
ones were we were the most disappointed in.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
That's the Toscola. Uh. Toscola had needed he needed hip
surgery if I recall correctly, you know nine o ten.
So he had a very short stint with the Flames
and left his free agent. He just he always seemed
like he had more to give than just between injuries
and just bad luck couldn't seem to make it happen.
So for me, Toscola Uh, and then just so you know,
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I'm gonna I'm gonna love everyone one category the litany
of kippersoft backups, Phil Solvey, Brian Bouche, Curtis maclenny. He
went on to become make back up with tamp Bay
Lightning and had tremendous success as an angel backup Goald Thunder,
but not in Calgary. Matt Keatley, Cleland Irving.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Leland Irving is my number one. I was so pumped
for him.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Wait suck.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
John Gillies is a number the other one that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I had high as after Gillies played for the World
unerty for the US, I had high host for him.
Man Tyler persons, yes, you know, and you know all
the respectator persons. He had some the fimer of breakfast
meant to health issues, but a tremendous, tremendous talent that
really never you know, got old at the professional level.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm going way back. I don't even know if you
were alive. I don't think you were. Jim Craig wins
an Olympic gold for the United States, and he's very yes,
and he goes to the Atlanta Flames and it was
actually my first time that I even recognized or even
knew anything of the Flames. I was not a Flames
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fan at that point. That came in about eighty four,
but this guy was like, we're getting you know, I mean,
I just remember watching people actually watched Atlanta Flames games
in the States because of him, right, and he didn't
play along. He played just a few games. I mean
it was literally like I think it was under ten games,
but I mean it was. It was crazy that Yeah,
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the hype that there was coming for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Wow. Yeah, I don't have any question of that at all.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
No, you weren't alive. Were you born?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Talk about it?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wait till Lin shocking me in twenty years? All right?
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah? Right? Uh? And so many, so many goaltenders.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So so here's the question. Tell me some of the
goalies that you irritated the hell out of you.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Andre Medvedev because Medvedev was a monster for the Russians
and the World Juniors, but was in the worst condition
of any goaltender ever and never played for the Flames.
Jeff Reese, who I thought, oh yeah at that time,
should have been a lot better. Uh, Tyler Tyler Moss
because I thought, why can't we get somebody else to
(15:47):
do this position? And again, hey, the guy played in NHL.
I'm not knocking the players at all, just like it's
just it was such developmental hell for Flames goaltenders and
it was such a mishmash and just random options. It
was awful.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I got two I distinctly cannot stand.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Okay, just let's just jump back to that. What do
he get?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm the in hands down like the guy that I
just He irritated me from day one till the day
he left, and quite honestly irritated me even more a
year later. And that was Mike Smith. His personality was shit.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
He took kirk no responsibility.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
He was a jerk. He would freaking suck. He'd come
out of his net, make stupid plays. It would end
up in the back of our net, and he'd blame
it on somebody else. And I don't understand that. I
to this day, I would love love to talk to
some of his teammates and find out the truth of
what they really thought of Mike Smith.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know, twenty nineteen Jerumegillar retirement night. He really ruined
that night for me. I was there in a box, yeah,
the super player. We got stuck behind the net with
a couple of wild players, and the wild one think
was four to three. He ruined that game for me,
and then late a few months later in the playoffs,
or a month or so later, he seemed to redeem
himself against Colorado. He was the lights out, the only
reason we even came close to winning more than one
(17:16):
game against Colorado. But I remember the interviews that you're
talking about, and I think for that reason, I just
shoved them into my brain. He just just no no
self awareness, no responsibility, no just nothing. Some more positive
because I don't talk abot Mike Smith anymore. I think
one goaltender we both kind of liked. I know why
(17:37):
I really liked, and I want him to stick around
longer than he did, maybe just because he had a
cool name. I don't want your thoughts on him. Was
Carri Ramo. Yeah, I loved Cari Ramo and I don't
even know why.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I mean, gosh, he played over one hundred games for
this team.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Wild, that's so crazy to think about.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Pan Vladar played one hundred games.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Oh wow, Yeah, probably three seasons, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah he did. He played a hundred games. But yeah,
I mean they have a lot of playing more games
here than Mike Smith did he did.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, get it here, you're kidding.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That's what the stats says on Hockey Reference.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
What the hell? How is that? Even?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It says that Dan Vladar played a hundred games and Mike.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Man that was wild? What the all right?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Okay, all right, I know I'm questioning the stats on
the I'm on the page.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well and understandably so, because all right, so when you
talk about something like that, we have such vivid memories
of somebody who was in our starting role, right you
don't realize that a guy hung around as a backup
for three four seasons.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Right, Yeah, Well, so here's another one for you. This
is a guy that I loved him but wanted to
punch him frequently, and that was David Riddick. Like I,
I loved him off guy in the entire world. How
many games you think keep played in Calgary.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Eighty?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
He was your five years, pay one hundred and thirty games.
He has got the tenth most games played by a
Flames goalie in history. That's think about that.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Wild. No, I don't want to think about anymore. That's wild.
It's crazy, nuts nuts man, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Man, If I I swear to God, if if Dustin
Wolf throws his stick in the air after a shutout,
I'm jumping on the ice gonna catch that stick, put
it right back in his hand because I do not
want that jinx on it again.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Because this worry about that.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
The day that Riddick did that, like he his game
just went. It was gone. Oh man, So here's another.
So who did you not?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Like? Philsova drove me crazy? Okay, well, I mean the
coach is satroke me crazy, dude, because you just nobody
would spell capisoftare in length the time and that's drove me.
Ou It's like you're gonna wear them, You're gonna wear
him out, like stop it your backup player, backup. They
wouldn't do it. Hmmm. I never had a lot of
(20:08):
issues with goaltenders in Calgary other than that. I mean,
I remember being frustrated year we had Joey McDonald red
o'bera and it's like, man, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You can't we can't go to the well with these
two and all.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Those goaltenders played above their heads to make the team
more competitive. They should have been like we had, you know,
other than strafting Sam Bennett fourth overall, like we didn't
have anywhere near the draft picks we should have, right
based on how batter goaltending was on paper at least, you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Know, a goalie I want to talk about is uh.
I don't know, you played fifty seven games in Calgary
and lost more than he won. But like he was
such a huge part. And that's Jamie mcclennan.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I was waiting for that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You still see my TSN. He's he's the author of
my favorite book of all time, Best Seat in the House.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's so crazy to me. If all the books out
there like that, just what's my mind now? And noticspect
to Jamie's book. It's like, man, no, I know that
that's a hard I had to buy that book like
third hand on eBay. It's on easy line.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Maybe it tells me how stupid I am. I don't know,
Like I remember reading that book in bed and waking
my wife up multiple times because I was laughing so hard.
Like it is a good book, like it it is.
And maybe I'm goofy. I don't know, but you are
a goofy, But go on, I know. He just he
has a funny way. And I still like listening to
Mantia Center if he's on one of the radios in
(21:27):
Calgary or a podcast or whatever. I listened to him.
I like him. He's entertaining, I mean, he's got wonderful
stories and and I listened to him and especially in
his book how he talks about his time with me
Ka Kippersoft and what those two, what he did to
help Kippersoft. I think he was an integral part. And
I'd love to sit down and have a coffee with
Kippersoft and find out what he thought, because I bet
(21:49):
you one hundred dollars he would say how important Jamie
mcclennan was to his career.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh, I'm sure it has no doubt about that at all,
not at all. Who did you have the highest hopes
for that didn't pend out as a prospect goal.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Theender Leland herb Man. I just remember getting card well
and like, I don't know, only they kind of shoved
him in our face like he was going to be
the next great thing, right.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Wasn't he also an ever at Silver Chip like Dustin
Wolf he was?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, he was, yeah, a great thing.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Hey, Like I you know, I felt similarly. I mean
I think back to even Brent Krahan, who is you know,
Takran's credit has spent twenty years now lambasting his own
career and lack of deliverance on his promise as a
prospect goal ender. I hate to say it in a way,
but for me, it was Tyler Persons. I really thought
he's been the next big thing for Calgary, and to
(22:46):
a lesser extent, but very similarly, it was John Gillies.
I think Gillies had some knee problems and he had
curved a career as a career HL or in the
Saint Louis organization and somewhere else, I believe, But I
really it was John Gillies and John Gibson on the
US World Junior team.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I remember, Yeah, Gillies was supposed to be the yea.
Another guy that was supposed to be I remember, and
I was young, but I remember, just remember hearing people
talking about Jason Mazzotti too, was supposed to be a
good player.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And I'm like, so, let's break up the card book
while we do this, because we're near the end of
the special episode. Let's let's throw it a few other
flames gooth undernames.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Okay, how about I know you don't know this one
because I don't remember this one. Oh, that was a
lot of time. That's not fair throwing out from the
year you're born. Do you remember Doug Dadsworth, our dad's.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Well, I remember, I remember the dads. I remember the name.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, I mean there is some how many goalies. Guess
how many goalies have I have played for the Flames
A game A game.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Sixty fifty eight.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Oh man dialing in.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Here, let us all wild. That's absolutely wild. That was
such a stupid guess. And I have like a ton
of gold unders. I forgot about it. Let's just run
through for your names. Yes, I remember Eddie Lack of course.
I got traded for Ryan Murphy, who was like, oh,
I'm glad to play for cal Greek. I bought out
twenty minutes later.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I got one that Don Edwards. I got one that
you forgot about that we haven't talked about, and we should.
He was a guest. He was a guest on Flames
Unfiltered before you were on Flames Unfiltered. He was a
guest Dwayne Rolisson, who was Dwayne Rolls Dye show.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, former Saint John Flame. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yes, man, you have his phone number. His his two
sons played junior hockey here and I got to know
him over the season because he would always stand in
the same corner as me. At the games, and we'd
visit and have a few drinks. And one day I said, hey,
let's uh, I got this Flames podcast. You want to
(24:57):
come on the show. I have a I have It's
sitting in my basement here. I can't get to it
right at the moment because I'm recording. But I got
a Dwayne Rolison goalie mask signed. It's bad. It's an
ugly goalie mask. It's a it's that old olie mask
that he wore that had a horse on the side.
Blow and fire out its nose. That's a it's a
bad blasting.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's a great guy. He's a great, great guy.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
So let's run through some names here. Okay, okay, that's
way too cool. By the way, Dwyn Rolson, of course,
he's best known for carrying the Oilers to the six
Cup finals.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Talked a lot about it on the and we talked
for like thirty minutes. It's all the reference to what
episode that was. But he's on there and uh, and
he talks about his time in Edmonton and and his
time in Tampa. And it's interesting. It's very interesting, too cool.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I love that. Uh. Yoni Ortio Okay, fifteen sixteen three
A Monster of Flames, Gold Things, featuring Carramo and Yoni Hiller.
So he orteo. Who I thought it was going to
be a big, big piece. He wasn't. Tyrone Garner what
who is that? Go ahead? Look him up?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Did he even play? He couldn't have played a game.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I have a facky card.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
One game and yeah, one game? Not a good night?
He is twenty three's a percentage?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, better than some though. Reggie Lemelin, who was pretty
well known. Yeah, man, I have, oh my, the Calgary Tower.
Henrik Carlson.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Oh yeah, you know what? Another one that I forgot
to mention earlier. Remember Andre treffle Off.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I have his card right here.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I do.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Remember. There's Dwayne Rolson, There's Phil Silvey, There's Jeff Reese.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Reese is the back of Governon correct.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yes, correct? Rick Ramsley who was part of that famous
more trade. Ken reggittt NHL journeyman goaltender Ken Reggan.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I always think of Ken Reggitt is a Pittsburgh Penguin.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Me to Wayne gretzkis Tredy Hockey. I think you played
the Penguins in that video game, Tim Zaga Doolin. You
know what.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I just saw his name. One game under his belt
for the Flames point eight one eight Yeah, not a night,
not a night.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And either that's as far as I can go, or
that's as far as I care to go.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
That is digging deep.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Now for those who watch you, dub but I'm gonna
close Docky guardbook can put this thing away.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So there is six Flames goalies that played one game
and one game only. We have mentioned one of them,
so I don't expect you to get this.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
And I won't, so please tell me five of them.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Louis de Ming played one game.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Mat Oh, the fucking Baker. Yeah, I have stories about him,
but I'll say those for another day. Yeah, Louis de Ming,
Matt former Mook, the Waldcat loud Ming, Matt Kaylee, Yes,
go on Scotts More. Oh, I forgot about kay Whitmore.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Everybody's goaltending coach y yep, and then Zaga Doulan all
played one. Oh hey, here's the one that we didn't
talk about. Remember when Nicholas Baxtrom was a Flame.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, four games.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
And he beat the Wild in his last national game.
He did four one I want to say.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
So, do you think this team is different if we
don't take trade J S. Tagere Or was he just
part of a timing system type good team in Anaheim?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
M M. I think he needed a change the scenery,
which might be the lie I tell myself to myself
feel less bad about how terribly it was the Flames.
To be honest, he's a legendary Saint John Flame, not
a legendary Calgary Flame. But I just remember him and
O three with Anaheim against Detroit being gassed and like
the second or third overtime and having an oxygen tank
brought to him in the crease because he was so
tired for making so many saves.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh jeez, you want to crazier.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Than talking about Dula on this show? Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I'm I'm having a hard time believing these numbers. I really,
I'm honestly, I am. I'm having a hard time. Do
you know that Dustin wolf Is then has played the
nineteenth most games for a Flames goalie?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Man, he's played seventy. Yeah, I'm sure he has.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Man, that's bonkers.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
That is in two years, In two years he'll be
top five and Flames game played and probably second to
third and.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Top fives two hundred and thirteen games. That's Jacob Markstrom.
I think he gets there.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I don't even know. I bet you I don't. If
you to put a gun on my head to day
and said name me the top five in games played
for the Flames and goalies, I would have got three
of them. Right.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, Well that's the thing, you know, I mean, the
years just slip away. Man one, he's great, It's unreal.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Look look at that said it's great. Gipprisoff is one,
Vernon's two, Dan Bouchard's three, Reggie Lemelin's four, and Jacob
marks from five.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Man Dan Bushard is gonna be stuck in third for
so freaking long unless Wolf signs an eight year extension,
you know what I mean? Like, oh man, what a
fun what a fun episode.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well, it's just funny to see these goalies and you
forget about so many of them, right, I mean, we
just forget about it, that's what we do. Yep. Are
we getting through the summer. We're getting there slowly, slowly.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's been a real slog, but we're getting there.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yet. Get there. That's good. We got we got some
time to go, so we're gonna get there. But it
has been fun doing these special episodes. It's been a
good time.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
And uh yeah, excuse me that that's what I think
of the Flames Golden History thera.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
That means it's time for bed too, all right, Alwalking
Flame Hockey and I love that episode. It was fun that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
God I broke up a hockey carrots man, there's like
twelve guys would never get mentioned ever again in the
history of mankind.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
If I haven't you know what if if this episode
did nothing else, if it didn't entertain you, it brought
back some memories, I guarantee it. Right, Well, we.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Try to do both those things. The cements will only
do one, but hopefully we did.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
All right, played sense, have a good rest of your summer.
We're back soon. Flames talk every week, but we're back
to some regular episodes here real soon, so then the
season will get here. It will, it'll get here, I promise.
But enjoy what's left for the summer, and we're back
talking play hockey next week.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
The next time, guys. Take care.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Worth.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
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