October 19, 2025 • 48 mins
Flames Horrible Start Sparks Reality Check – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 261
Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14
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Horrible start sinks Playoff hopes.
Puzzling Lineup Decisions.
FLAMES NEWS- Gridin AHL, One-ways and Miromanov
X-FACTOR- Expectations – Aman Kurji @AmanKurji
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Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14
--- EPISODE 261 ---
GAME RECAPS – VGK@Cgy | Cgy@Uth | Cgy@VGK
Horrible start sinks Playoff hopes.
Puzzling Lineup Decisions.
FLAMES NEWS- Gridin AHL, One-ways and Miromanov
X-FACTOR- Expectations – Aman Kurji @AmanKurji
GAME PREVIEWS – Wpg@Cgy | Mtl@Cgy | Cgy@Wpg |NYR@Cgy
Website: Flames Unfiltered
Listen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts
Watch: YouTUBE
Social Media – X - @FlameUnfiltered |FACEBOOK – Flames Unfiltered |INSTAGRAM – Flames Unfiltered | TikTok – flames.unfiltered
NHL #HockeyX #TalkinHockey #HockeyPodcast #Flames #cofred #nhlflames #calgaryflames #YYC #FireItUp
*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome to Flames Unfiltered, hosted by myself, Brad Rude and
Kyle Luca Lewis talking Flames hockey every single week, whether
we want to or not.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
This week, I thought, yeah, that's wow, just wow, what
a what a start. One in five getting blown out routinely,
and as I think most of our listeners know, we
don't rehearse this show. We talk about the things we
intend to talk about. Sometimes we go a little more
off the cuff than others, but in this case it's
(00:58):
very much off the cuff. So yeah, we're all miss together,
so let's try to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We're recording this on a Sunday morning, our afternoon, and
uh we watched the game last night, and uh yeah,
so our reactions are are fresh. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's I'll be honest. I made it midway
to the second uccle hockey. Jim Gudreau was actually here
staying with me for a few days, and we were
watching it just like, yeah, it's probably time to turn in.
There's how much hope with this one?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's uh, it was a mass and I don't know. Yeah,
I got a question before we get into this team
on X that our goalie and the miners Prostata has
got a new blasting mask. Does he know something we
don't know?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think he's been watching the scoreboards.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
He's like, Hey, I'm gonna get a shot here.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's that's an all timer for Flames mask. That's my
first impressions. It is beautiful. Is it's akin to one
of the marksman's masks I find?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah, very I saw it and my first thought
was wise. He then I'm like, that's cool. Though I
like it, but.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm good for you for picking something positive to kick
us off today.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm really proud of I'm gonna I'm gonna throw out
two more things positive and then we're gonna we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We're gonna get real dive into the hole.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
New Sends jerseys this week. We always talk about jerseys.
Were jersey guys. Uh yeah? Do you like those New
Sends jerseys? The red Ones with black.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Gold or it's funny. My buddy Josh is a huge
Sense fan, and he actually brought it up yesterday and
how much he doesn't care for them. But and I agree,
I'm not a fan, although I will admit I really
like the goalie gear set up with that jersey that
looks cool, but on the players, it doesn't do anything
for me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
My biggest knock on it is when you're watching it
on TV, you can't see the numbers. When you ever
read jersey with black numbers, you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Just what we did about years ago with the Flames.
Remember where I told you they had the black the
black lettering on the O four jerseys. Originally it had
changed to white because somebody read the names.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It was just it was it's too hard to see.
So yeah, I don't know. One last thing, what are
the odds of the Seattle crack and playing Hockey Night
in Canada? Battle in Toronto last night followed by Game
six tonight in Toronto with.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Them Yes, yes, yeah, I said the same I said
the same thing last night, and then actually Hockey Knight Canada.
They interviewed Shane Wright, who was from Toronto. The plays
for Seattle, of course, and he had a few thoughts
to share on that. But the odds of it are
astronomically low. I've got to believe. But and then to
have it like Game five Friday, Toronto, Seattle Saturday and
(03:44):
hockey and then Game six Sunday, It's it's crazy. Really
only make it crazier as if Toronto's doing a home
and home right that that would have been nuts. That
would have convinced me that sports are fixed.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
We got the wrong person helping us.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, I don't know about that, because the reality if
it were fixed, I mean, what a year to you know,
And I'm not a team tank guy, as I've repeatedly said,
but if there's a year for the Wheels to completely
fall off and have a chance to get a player
like Gavin McKenna, I mean wow. So that's my segue
into how bad this hockey team is six games into
the season.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Good, thank you, Kyle. Yeah, as I pull up the standings, currently,
we have the worst record, we have the worst win percentage,
which usually goes hand in hand. Uh, we've lost five in.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
A row emphatic classes, not like their tight games.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
We're minus fourteen and goals four goals against. And to
top it off, and no one's really talking about this cure.
He says, Well, they won the game in Edmonton, now
we won the shootout. Yeah, we haven't even won a
game yet.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, true, fair, very fair. Robert Munich Coud posted his
postgame thoughts too. This one was really telling to me.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Loved it. I gotta say, we're on my phone. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So the the biggest thing, h apparent from the goal
to make the playoffs is over, because it is. But
here's why. That the ninety seven points make the playoffs.
That means we'll have to go something akin to forty
four to twenty five and seven in the last seventy
six games. And that's a six to twenty five points percentage,
which only six teams did last year. That is unbelievable
that only six games in your season is basically snunk.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's done. I mean, who we have six games who
scored ten goals.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's remarkably bad. That is so, so so bad.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We're in these stats of thanks to Logan Gordon, we're
twenty seventh in shots at twenty four point two per game.
We're twentieth in power play at eighteen point two, and
we're twenty first and penalty killed at seventy three point nine.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And we played it was like fourteenth coming to the
Last Nights game or something.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Woll did you see last night? Could have just as
well gave him a goal and declined it and went
and dropped its center ice.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, almost like an intentional walk in baseball, right, Oh man,
so one of the things. And like I said, we're
gonna bounce around a bit here, which you know should
make for some entertaining conversation. Mike Olda had responded, and
he had lost to say yesterday and as everybody did,
(06:26):
I'd mentioned that I thought the Sharon Gorich contract might
go down as one of the worst in mystery. And
I wasn't trying to imply it's worse than the ones
that he you know, fired back with being brower Neil Huberto.
But we're gonna have to look into this more. But
I'd like to compile a list of the ten worst
contracts that the Flames have ever signed.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
How about that's an off season or or whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt unless he has
a dramatic tier on that Sharon Govich, despite the fact
it's not a ton ton of money, is one of
the top ten worst I would think at this point.
But more pointedly with regards to what's going on right now.
Did you see Kevin bi X's commentary on Sharonovic.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I watched it live, Yeah, I did, and I was Gonna,
I wanted. I want to get your take on it too.
I it's as true as true can be. I saw
the play that he referenced with about six minutes to go,
where Sharon Govic looped around, comes to center ice, You're
supposed to probably hit the guy, and he just basically
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tapped him on the shoulder and skated to the bench.
And I don't. I've said this and a bitch many
times on this show in years past. Last year, I
would say I was completely wrong on this, but I've
hated Kadrey's mannerisms and body language over the years. I've
hated Kadrey's quit and people can argue with me on that,
(07:48):
but it's there. It's evident, and I hated exactly. I
saw the same thing from Sharon Govic last night. It
was it was brutal, and I'm glad he got called out. Sadly,
I don't know that it changes this game.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I don't think it does it all. And actually, what
I like the most about it is I think the
ex is one of a handful of guys in the
hockey media. They're helping change the narrative in terms of
making it more real without being you know, directly offensive
or overly critical of players, because I mean, NBXIT did
play a long time the league, but guys like us haven't.
So I'm always a little hesitant to rip a guy
apart too much. But when you have a team that's
(08:25):
underperforming as badly as Cagre as to the point that
they don't really belong in the NHL with the way
they're playing right now, you know, that kind of stuff
just resonates a lot more and it does make too
much wider problem, and one that you have talked about
at length for quite some time now about your belief
that this is kind of a country club locker room,
and it certainly it seems that way with the effort
(08:46):
we're seeing or lacker.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Roo, I don't know. And you want to know the
bad news, and is it? You know we have Huska
just got an extension and it hasn't even started yet.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Which was such a stupid, stupid, stupid move. Everybody who's
anybody who watched any amount of Flames hockey last year,
which is to say, three to five games or parts thereof,
knows that they were in the playoff race entirely because
of Dustin Wolf. It's not to say, if you guys
have good years. Mattie Cornatto was great, for example, Kevin
Ball really emerged. But ultimately that's what it came down to.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I am I'm gonna preface preface this on both of
our ends because I believe you feel the same as
me as our our discourse and and and anger not anger?
Are we There's some of that are questioning. Huska and
Conroy in this episode didn't just start because of this record.
We were questioning this prior to seasons starting, and even
(09:42):
some moves over the offseason. And now I'm sitting here
and I'm like, was there a better time to move
Cadrey than last July?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, seriously, Kaudre Anderson Coleman. The thing is this
is this is like the type of how would I
say that for think of an analogy, but like like
this ship splatters on everybody. Nobody on that team really
has much of any value right now, apart from the
youngest players, which is to say, maybe a guy like
Sam Honzik, matt Cornado. You know, guys that you want
(10:15):
to keep for the long haul.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
The guys you want here ye value, you know, But
like gosh, I can't believe the Moon's saying that if
they moved Zori tomorrow, would you be upset?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It depends on what we got fro him, probably because
I think he's I think he's terribly miscast right now.
And that's oh so.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Do I And we're gonna talk about that. I got
that on my list too. Yeah, I guess, I guess
I go back to the glaring ones is you know,
like this, Anderson doesn't need to be here anymore. He's
not gonna be here anyways, right, Yeah, I just look
at it. Okay, now it's time, and this record slaps
it in the face of this organization that they have
(10:59):
no choice now than to look vision in the future,
not playoffs this year. They have no choice. Yeah, it's
a slap in the face right now for them. So
now you need to look at the roster and you
need to determine who is the future. And I understand
that probably Blake Coleman is not the future, but for
some reason, my gut tells me that he's a key
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guy to ride this out with them, because you need
to have a few veterans and you need to have
a backline. You need to have I'm a wiger and
and and I think a Coleman fits that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, yeah, and he does. I mean unless somebody made
a really compelling offer for him, which is entirely possible,
especially on the stretch drive for teams that will be
a part of it. I wouldn't have an issue hanging
on to a guy like that. But I'm also it's
a part of me that I'd almost like to see
like a press conference with the Flames just admit they're
you know, they're going to adjust their course.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
That don't hold your breath.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That's and I know, and I know because but because
I get again, it's like when the top of Kevin
b xent how real his rhetoric is, and even you know,
he huddered and top with Sharon go but he's like,
I forget what he said. But he was like, yeah,
but whatever, I don't care, like we need more of that.
And I'm tired of the postgame pressers. I think it
was a huge mistake, regardless of what the Flames accomplished
(12:12):
last year, to give Husk an extension.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And he doesn't even have an extension.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
We may not after this, although to be fair to him,
he has done a lot of really really positive things
with this team. You know, Kevin Ball was a great acquisition,
for example, his drafting has been thus for our top notch.
But the it's always the easiest thing to do in
sports always is to fire the coach, right, which can
be to the point of ad nauseam when you have
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a team of players and just keep under performing.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But I don't know that that helps his situation. I'm
not real happy with Ryan Huskin Allen. I'll expand on
that in a few moments, But I don't know that
that's the solution right now. And I don't know the
solution is getting rid of of conra And we've all
spoke very highly of Connor, and myself included about a
lot of his really positive moves. But I do have
one thing that to be said, though, an accountability that
needs to be taken by Conray. He restricted his success
(13:08):
this year and in the future by way too many
restrictive one way contracts. Yep, absolutely, he did it with goaltenders.
When you have three one ways, you create a log jam.
Then if two of them don't work out, then what
we found out that this year we can't move Coolly,
we can't move whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Were Here's the thing though. Need to let me just
stop and just remind you Conray was around as assistant
GM when Brad Trielid made the same mistake with Ramal
Hiller and Ortio. Yeah, well, no sense.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And you take this a step further. He's got way
too many defensemen on one way contracts. He gave out
two years to guys that that had proven nothing to
this team. Would have signed a one year deals tell
me the mere amount of wouldn't have signed a one
year deal? Tell me he wouldn't, Jake Bean, he would
assigned a one way deal. Why did we have to
go to We didn't need to go to, but we
(14:04):
went to and then we got one way deals that
restrict us. Right these guys, I mean, oh, the record
coming in was not good. So why do we think
that this miracle is gonna happen that all of a
sudden they're gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well, the problem, too is a few things. I'll touch
on one thing quickly, because it's more about Conord than
it is Husca. I'm not advocating necessarily for fying Ryan
Husker right now. I don't think that necessarily fixes anything,
but we'll get into his decisions later. Like you said,
but it is Conrad's fault for giving me an extension
based on one good season, one good season that ultimately
didn't yield the results that we would have liked to
give Nucleos the playoffs they were, so that contract extension
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is one of Conray. I'm not saying, you know, Huska
wouldn't have eart an extension maybe for the down the road,
but extending him for two years at this point made
zero sense, zero sense.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I've said it before and I'm saying it again, like
we as a fan base and a management and a
flamed organization need to quit fallen in love with players
and forgetting the other talent out there in the league
that we could get. We need to be a little
bit more ruthless, a little bit more real, and quit
falling in love with people and having them stick around forever.
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We do it all the time with this team. We
did it with Sutter too. It's not this isn't just now.
Fan base and organization fall in love with people and
we're delusional on how good they are.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yep, yeah, absolutely one hundred percent. So the other problem
that they you know, you're talking about in these two
year contracts and these guys hanging around. I'm a big
believer that if you have guys that are in the
AHL forever endeavor, you're never gonna know what you have, right,
Like so, Jeremy Poier is a name that comes to mind.
He has been in the AHL way too long, has
(15:49):
not had a game in the NHL, has proven he
deserves a look, And that's a part of the development
and the fact that we have so many guys blocking
them from doing so We're gonna have guys like even
like Slovia Off We don't you know, but probably a
five to six defense mian at best, but very capable.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
And he's gone, but he's younger, right I mean, so
we didn't know and you know and I and this
is probably one where one place we differ, Like I'm
about having the youth come in. I don't believe that
you can have all youth because I don't think that's
gonna warrant good results either. But you know, I look
at this mirmana thing and I know ex is just
(16:27):
a buzz all week with it, and rightfully so. But
I have no idea what this team sees in him
at all. None plays in the Vegas game, not the Vegas,
last night in Vegas on whatever, man, it was this
week Tuesday, Wednesday, Tuesday, and he was a train wreck
out there. He was a train wreck out there. We're
worried about pres defense, huh, forget it. We got Mirormana
(16:52):
faut there looking like he's never played a game. And
I'm not trying to I'm not picking on him personally.
I'm saying that he couldn't do the job. And so
you do the job. What happens tomorrow? If you can't
do your job, they get rid of you right the business.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
The very least I get reprimanded, you know, reassigned whatever whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
But this guy's still up and he needs to be reassigned.
He and I wouldn't even I hate to say this
because this is really being mean, but I wouldn't even
give him ehl minutes. I would just bury him and
just pay him his money and go away, because I'll
be damned if he should be taken away time from Brustevitch,
because nets up all those guys down in Poorier. And
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I mean, you tell me, Kyle, would we be worse
off with Porrier in there than Marimana no being? I mean,
what what, what is it? Hurt to try at this point.
Now we're not any good anyways.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well that's that's kind of it. It's too far gone,
which again sounds crazy six games in, but it's the truth. Now.
The other thing that I'd mentioned that's driving me insane,
and there's you know, still racking up a few likes
because I think a lot of people feel the same way.
But I'd mentioned before, like when the Flames brought in
Roman Hamer look compared him with Stan Finough. We like
Zaanan Perek has to have a reliable, consistent partner. This
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musical chairs thing is is the dumbest coaching decision that
I've seen in quite some time. You cannot, cannot, cannot
take a player whose defensive capabilities are already a little
suspect of the pro level because he's brand new, a
guy that elite level of talent, and he can't have
a consistent partner to learn the game with. It is
so stupid.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Here's the way I look at that, Kyle. We know
Anderson's gone, so put ball with Perek right now, and.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
They did last night for a little bit. Finally at
that point it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, but I mean, just so just go Rod and
what of that. That's what's going to be in the
future anyways, Right, he's probably the sky for him.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right, they said. John Abbitt said last night that Kevin Ball,
I forget happy Kevin Ball had the you know, the
best stick check in the NHL. I'm not entirely sure
that's true, but he is am good at it. He's
our best defensive defenseman. He should be playing Zane brack
On for sure. But why it took you know, getting
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down to a one and four start and getting blown
out in the third period in Vegas for that to
finally happen. It's like, I just I can't understand that
for the life of me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I said it on Acsterday when I posted the line charts,
like this is Huska, Just like, what does he go
into his office and just freaking start throwing darts?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
It certainly looks that way. But see now he's panicking too, right.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh, well, he's in full panic mode. And every time
he gets in full panic mode, it's oh lines in
a blender. And I'm tired of hearing these guys say, well,
husk it's very good at reading his players. No, he's not.
If he's really good reading the players. He shouldn't have
Zari centering in the fourth line. He shouldn't have Sharon
Goviich with Cornado and Frost talk about dead weight there.
(19:48):
Oh yeah, Like seriously, he's not reading the room right.
And I'm not saying I'm a coacher and I'm an
expert at this and anything, but I'm just starting to
look at logic here and I don't like, ID rather
have hubert o'cadriy Coronado. I don't know. We can't score? Yeah,
and I like the game this year, I do, but
he's still not your guy to score though, right.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, he's he also has demonstrated zero finish right So,
but that's the thing when so many guys are snake
bitten and you're seeing these chances just completely, you know,
disintegrate in front of your very eyes, there does come
a point where you just can't keep blaming the players.
Has to be a consequence of the system. And there's
a been a bad pup cluck there. Like I get it.
I just this team, the personnel they have, they can't
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they can't be this bad every single night, as what
I'm trying to say, But here we are. So whether
it's a coaching issue, whether it's just the whole team,
just something is off this year. Wolfe has certainly not
been as good. But this is why I've been advocating
heavily on social media, saying Dustnell Wolf should have received,
he earned and deserves a reliable backup who previously was
the start of the league that can mentor him, especially
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now that he has this big contract, little up to he.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Needs a cam tell but someone to mentor him, someone
to help him, someone to guide him. Someone or Wolf
probably this year, I hate to say this, probably shouldn't
play more than fifty games. And I'm not saying that
I don't like Dustin Wolf, but like, how many Knights
can you run him out and do this? And I
will say he has not been good this year. Numbers
don't lie, but the situations he's been put in have
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not been good either. But Wolf has not.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
No, he's not. He hasn't been an otherworldly like he
has been. He has been really good at all. And
I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it. But
I know, and that's what I was. I'm just truthful. Yeah,
I wished and I said this you know a few
times now, Like I wish Jonathan Quick had been available
because I was his idol. The guys won at every level,
like you know, all those other reasons, but he wasn't able.
But like I said, Cam Talbot, maybe even a guy
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with James Rymer who you know PTO was terminated with
the Leafs and training camp. But there's there was a
veteran goalie somewhere that they could have plucked, even a
villiy whoso that we talked about, somebody who knows the
NHL level.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And wants to work with him, right, and and I.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Just I can't understand how they thought that an AHL
journeyman and Devin Cooley, who in his one game was
very good.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Well I heard, I'm trying to interrupt you, Kyle. We
talked about that last week. Do you know that Cooley's
never played, even down to his youth, hoking more than
like twenty eight games in one year.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I didn't know the number. It's actually lower than what
I would have suspected, but I knew it wasn't a lot. Wow,
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I gotta get your I gotta get your take on
something though. So I sit and I look at this
light up and we trucked the fourth line out there,
like the fourth line probably had more minutes last night
than the first line, because at least two.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Of those guys carred right, Lomberg and Klapka.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And they did care. And I'm this is probably a
piss four time to bring this conversation up, but I
don't care because I only have an hour to talk
to you. Right. Is it time for this team to
maybe just completely rewrite the script and not have like
a fourth line grind line? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I think I'd talked a little with those on a
of our prior shows recently. I don't I don't understand
the belief that a largely ineffective fourth line makes any sense. Oh,
it's your checking line, you put them in again. This
thing that drives me the craziest is we've got a
goal scored against, let's roll out our checkers. It's like,
what are you doing? They're not. Momentum is absolutely a
thing in hockey, But the belief that momentum is predicated
(23:20):
on a couple of hits and a you know, a
semi intense for check from time to time, I don't
really buy that, not with players who don't have the
skill to finish right. And it's not to say that
guys like Klapka aren't useful in other ways. Lomberg, I
think you know that fight was Hey, it's important to
defend a young teammate after the previous game. We're PreK
At nailed. But I do not and have never subscribed to, well,
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let's put together a real tough fourth line. I think
it's incredibly stupid, self defeating.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So let me ask you this. I like what Ryan
Lomberg did last night. He held held decisions accountable for
his hit on Perrect, which I didn't think the hit
was that bad. I think Prec should tighten his helmet up,
is what I think should happen. But your regardless of
he did it, and I and I and I condone
that and I want that. But outside of that, does
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Lomberg bring anything to this team at all?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
No? No, he's essentially essentially a cheerleader with you know,
with with decent wheels, and he's in phenomenal shape and
toughest nails. But as we've said all along, not a
guy that should be playing every night now based on
what happened to PreK Despite what you just said about
you know, Titaness helmet and it wasn't that bad. I
agree with you, But because your young guy got kind
of rocked, I would as last night.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I'm all for it. Yep, just just a situation.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, exactly, That's what those guys are on the roster for.
I mean, they're great practice teammates, they're great from morale.
You want them on the you know, on the charter
flights or on the bus or wherever. But every night.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Now he's an expensive cheerleader and his results are one win.
And it really wasn't a win because there was a
shootout win. So so I threw darts at the dart
board late late last night to make my lines. I
got kadre centering hubert Or and Coronado. I got Frost centering,
Gridden and Farrabee. I've got Backland centering, Sharon Govich and Coleman, which.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Whatever you might just take t Goovich right out.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah. And I got Tsari centering, Hansik and Klapka. Yeah,
I did. Do We are we in any worse shape there?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I don't think we're We're undoubtedly in a little better
shape to the point we get results. I'm not sure,
but I mean, if we're watching uh losing the game
three to two instead of losing six to one. We're
in better shape despite the fact that it's no different
than the standings. You know. But here's here's the thing,
and Mike Bartner had I'm still trying to understand what
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he was meant by this, but he's saying the Flames
were tanking unethically, so I I presume he's implying that
they're intentionally doing this.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
No, he meant what I think he meant to say.
Was there tanking unintentionally?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't know. I'm not so sure about because it
was a fault comment that was very confusing. But anyway,
whatever the case, I really don't this team is just
that bad. They're like, they are abysmal, and so it
should be all kinds of line up changes for the
next game.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Do you think that did every junior hockey coach last
night clip that penalty kill and watched the guy off
the half wall for Vegas just fire it down and
just bing bang boom in the back and two times
exact same play. I'm like, are you kidding me? You
guys like we didn't gick up on this after the
first time, we didn't make an adjustment in our penalty kill. No,
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we just trucked the same crew out there, and the
exact freaking same replay happens in two seconds. It's like,
Holy cow, what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So this is yeah, anyway, this is what he said.
He said, the Cougar Flames are a deeply unethical tanking
team and the hockey gods will punish them. Just utter ass.
And one of the Flames sent respond and said we
need it more, and Bartner said, do it ethically.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
What do you like easy, implying that we are purposely sucking.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, we yeah, yeah, we just have zero.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Talent compared to me. I've never I've watched hockey sol on,
but I've never seen a game like last night where
the talent level was like such a discrepancy. It's it's unreal.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It was I honestly, I can't even find the words
for it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Like it was.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It was incredible to watch. Like we have so and
we've said this so many times as everybody else, we
just have so many pieces, but they're pieces of different puzzles.
You know, Cadre is a perfect hit right now, probably
in Toronto, as you know, they're fans have long been saying.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You gonna have them.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well, yeah, you know, Anderson's the missing piece of Dallas's
defense potential. Like there's all these different but assembled as
they are, it's just a bunch of spare parts and
a shopping cart. That's how it looks, especially on the ice.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Urns are not gonna be good. The return of just
losing Kadre's cap pit for the next few years and
his aging is good enough for me.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So here's the thing. So certain pieces and sorry to
interview this time, but I want to jump on this.
Certain pieces are in place. Dustin Wolf is gonna be fine,
Kevin Ball talked up long term, Matt Coronado, Griddon is
on the right track, so is Hanzik Parakh of course.
So just getting rid of these guys that are place
holding and playing like their place holding. The return is
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really not that important because the return is going to
be your continuing development the players you already have in
your system in drafting a guy potentially like Gavin McKenna, Right.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Because our return for Anderson, we as a fan base
might as well tone it down because it's not going
to be huge.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
With Yeah, I mean it could be better if he
gets better, but that would also mean, the team around
him has to be way better and that right now,
I don't see any of that happening. The only the
only thing that's going to break this this futility is
dust A Wolf pitching shut out in my mind, because
the team's not gonna they're not equipped to do it.
They're in this soul. They don't have the personnel dig
themselves out of it.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
But as good as Dustin Wolf is, like like, I mean,
this team's not going to allow him to do that
because of the situations they're going to put him in.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, well, I mean he can still single handedly do
it like he did much of last year. But I
don't I'm not even that it's happening.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I'm sum one of the things and that's going to
bring bring me to the X factor. One of the
things that gets me going is like the expectations for
this year. And I saw this X factor last night
from him on Kurjari Uh is that what it is? Well?
Thank you, but I like this, he said, I saw
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a lot of discourse last night about how Flames are
playing below expectations. What exactly were that expectation of the expectations?
And I mean we talked about it a lot. We
had a prediction show. Oh I had them second to last,
right above San Jose you and him a little bit higher.
But like I looked at it as we had a
lot of guys last year have career years or above
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average years, maybe not careers above average years. Did we
really think that all those guys were gonna have above
average years and then we were going to get a
better Frost, a better fare be, a better Sharon Govic,
a better you know. I mean, I think there was
a chance of all that happening, but I think the
chances were much less than probably what we saw as
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a fan base. And I'm not saying I expected a
one in five start.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I don't think anybody did.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I'm not saying that at all. And I didn't expect
to watch a hockey game last night where the talent
level was such a such a difference that it made
me really shake my head. But I do think as
a fan, and I'm not blaming the Calgary fan base,
I think this is true and a lot we live
a lot on hope right.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, I also think that there's an expectation that things
are going to be linear, and this is a huge
problem that happened in fourteen fifteen when the Flames made
it second of the playoffs and were absolutely horrendous the
following season. Right, And they did that kind of one in,
one out thing for a few years and never really
get any further ahead. I know, they got dummied by
Colorado on twenty nineteen and get back to the second
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round twenty twenty two, but they had some elite, elite talent,
right Our elite talent is not ready yet other than
you know Wolf, and right now, obviously he's struggling. But
it's always the belief that, well, we came this close
to playoffs last year, so next year we're gonna make it.
That's the plan. It's like, well, hang on, you really
need to do a deep, deep dig into how you
got that close. And again the number one biggest reason
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is Dustin Wolf. And now you're counting on guys who
failed you last year as well, like you Grisharon Govich, right,
or hoping that Frost and Fairby take the step that
they certainly didn't take in Gagrie last year. So and
it's actually conceivable at this point, as crazy as it
seems to say, they can wind up losing that trade
of this continuous and I'm what I'm predicating that on
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is I mean, Pelch looks like he may end up being,
you know, an Ahl journeyman to this point, because Menco
is there's erratica players who has ever been Although you
know it's been a decent fit in LA that's far.
But what I'm getting at is that if you've committed
the two guys you're convinced are going to help you
turn a corner and they do the opposite of that,
and you've given them term and you're paying them decent money,
did you really win?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Oh? I agree?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
So And at this point the jury is still out.
But I hate to say this.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know, like we we're pretty both pretty high on
Frost in camp, and I'm not writing him off or anything.
I think Farrabee would be a solid third line winger
though on a really good hockey team.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I think you'd be a good fit with Colman and
Backland over time. But the expectation, because he's shown such
flashes much like Frost has, that he could play higher
up the lineup is a little bit erroneous. I think
to your point, you have if you want to be competitive,
you have to put Huberto and Cadre and Cornado together.
You just have to. It's the only line you have
they can score. It's it's really is that simple. But
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what's gonna happen is they're gonna juggle the lines. When
Pastpacil's back, They're going to mix him in and think that,
you know, his style play is going to give him
a bit of a kick in the ass, which it might,
but it's gonna be extremely momentary this season is is
it sounds so crazy again. I'm not trying to be
all down out, but you know, Robert staff that he
posts is very telling, like the season is over.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
He's right, I mean, And I was listening to the
postgame show on nine to sixty last night and someone
stole Robert stats and read them out there and like
it's it's there. I mean, Robert nailed it, man, I
mean this team's cooked.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, And I think what what? What I've been guilty
of in the past with not just hockey, but many
things in my life personally professionally, is that you get
angry over something and you keep thinking it's going to
get better, or if it doesn't, you just keep being
angry about it. And it's like, ultimately, you just kind
of have to come to terms of it and recognize
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that this is the path we were probably meant to
be on. And I got just as excited, and we
talked about, you know, my predictions that have in the flames,
you know, in the in the mix, thinking they were
going to take step forward because there was some reasons
to believe so, but knowing now that they're not, It's like, Okay, management,
ownership hass to do the same thing that the rest
ofers are going to say, Okay, we've got some really
good pieces in place, but this season is a disaster
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and there's no coaching change or big trade that's possible
that's going to change that. We've lost too much ground already.
And even if they could do one of those things,
there's no guaranteed that it's going to pan out. So
embrace this, sell off what you can, and get ready
for the draft because it could be the most important
one in team history.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, you're true, We're right on the money. I No,
I think our shows as the year goes on will
get less angry probably than this one. You know, I
think we both are having a lot of emotion today
because it's frust.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It was embarrassing. Yes, thank god there's no Vegas fans
up here around me, because it would be if that
wasn't a loss to the Oilers, the Leafs, Thecadians, I
would never hear the end of it.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I mean it was. I think it wasn't Vancouver, jeez,
and it was. I just I think I think we'll
come to terms of it as a fan base a
little bit more and move forward. Like, I'm still not
team Tank. I don't think we're going to have to
be team Tank. I think we're going to be in
the bottom five. I just think that's where it's at.
(35:21):
But now what we need to do is we need to,
like you just said, start the plan in the organization
has to admit and buy into the plan and move forward.
And I'm not saying, you know, just play all young guys.
I'm saying, like, we need to strategically place on what
what does this team look like next year, what does
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it look like the year after that, what does it
look like the year after that, and start positioning for that. Yeah,
it's a process, and it's not an easy process because
some of these guys that we draft aren't working out. Man,
they're just.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, and I mean for his asonine it, some of
his takes can be you know, John Garrett made a
few comments last night, my favorite ones being the ones
about Kevin Ball's ridiculous giveaway behind the net, like just
a stupid bonehead, dumb, dumb, dumb playing from a guy
who's typically very good. And you know, we all make mistakes.
But Garrett was talking about, you know, how many first
rounders actually pan out? And I think he was a
(36:17):
little a little off the American suggesting it's a few
as what he said. But ultimately, yeah, you're going to
have many, many pieces that aren't you know, a hit,
just the same as you're gonna have if you're lucky,
if you like you know gudrou who was a fourth
round pick, he was an absolute all star.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Right, there's luck that's going to have to happen in
our favor here.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, But again, I think this team has such a
lengthy history that persisted to stay despite the fact they
are significantly better and intrigeting young players. They have a
history of burying guys in the miners and never really
knowing what they have. And that's why I mentioned Poe earlier.
I don't think Portie was going to be a stud defenseman,
but could he be a serviceable NHL defenseman far better
(36:58):
than the few weekeep rolling out like being a mere
one thousand percent. But we will never ever know because
we just keep jamming guys in front of them. Yeah,
it's and it's.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Just a fashion that logic tells me. Now we shouldn't
see being in miraman off again, but we will. Oh,
I guess we'll see them tomorrow night or Monday night.
I guess that's tomorrow we'll see him. I promise you
know what.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
This is how disillusion have become. I didn't even look
who we're playing tomorrownight, Winnipeg.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
You want to talk about what's coming up here, Carl,
and then I gotta get your take on one morning thing.
But listen to this schedule Monday, which is tomorrow Winnipeg
at Calgary, a very hot Winnipeg team, very very hot.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah. Wednesday, trying to find us stride a bit too.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Wednesday Montreal is in town. And then Friday the Flames
get on an airplane and go to Winnipeg again.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah that's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
And then they come home Sunday for a lovely Sunday
night matchup with the New York Rangers. Yeah, though could
be a one or two and ten, two and eight
and nine. Seriously, that's not out of the realm here.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
So here's just some quick things. But all the teams,
you just listen. The Montreal Canadians are what the Cougar
Flames wish they were right now. Young, exciting team. Still
some you know, rough nights here and there, but they're
very very fast, skilled right up and down their lineup.
Like Demidov is the real deal. Cowfield's are great player.
Suzuki is a great player. Layne Hudson. Of course, the
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Rangers have some elite granit older but some elite talent
in the form of j. T. Miller or Timy Panerin
you know, like everybody. And then okay, the Jets. So
the Jets have Mark Schiffley, who just broke the points
record for that franchise. They have Mark Scheiffley. They have
Kyle Connor, who's one of the peer snipers in the league.
They have Josh Morrissey, who's a stead defenseman. Every single
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one of these teams has more than what we have.
We have a few, yeah, and we we have a
few talented pieces, for sure, but we are nowhere near
what those teams have.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's not even And we saw it, like you said,
we saw it last night a cool and Stone and
barbershev just ran rough shot over this team that looked
like it was the first pee we outing. It was
embarrassing to watch.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Oh the talent, the talent difference, Oh my gosh, it
was so glaring last night. And I don't know, like
you just listed off the guys, it's not a heck
of a lot difference come Monday night when Winnipeg comes
to town.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. The two Winnipeg games,
like and then even the Rangers the habs. But I mean,
we can keep going, never mind the impending like the
upcoming schedule. We can talk about the Ottawa Senators, who
I'll be saying in a little over a week against
the Flames, and they have, you know, oodles of talent.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
They got Chikachuk, Like, how about Jane Pinto, that's the guy.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, Shane Pino has been unreal, like Dylan Cousins, who
hasn't quite been a fit there yet. It's another really
good player like Jake Sanderson.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Isn't it funny too?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Hang on, none of this is funny, but go on,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Ill when your team has such a low level of
high end talent as the Flames do. We're you know,
when you hear it all year while we've heard as oh,
what a murderous row of schedule, Well, every schedule looks
hard if you're not good.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, yeah, And they talked about a length and the city.
I just came out, Oh that's a tough start for Calgary.
We knew it was going to be a tough start.
We didn't think we'd get absolutely like destroyed night in,
night out, like and it's and it's crazy to me
because it seemed with the start of the game last night.
Of course, you know, Vegas scores in their first shot,
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Huberto manages to tie the game, Klapka throws a big hit,
like there's a few things going well, and then the
team just completely falls apart, like they looked so so bad.
And we used to be known to such a hard
working bunch. And while Sharon Govic and several others shattered
that reputation couple of times.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
We buried that. We buried that thought. Yeah, I gotta
get your take on this. Though Gridden gets sent down.
They was Friday Thursday, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I think it was Thursday, but one of the two
they sent.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Gridden down to the HL. I saw Wes Gilbertson. Compared
to when Hansick went down last year. No, Hansig didn't
fit in last year. He wasn't ready physically and got
sent down and came back in. This this year is
I've been fairly impressed with his game. This is not
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the same thing. Gridden is physically there. He's actually been
an offensive driver for a team that has no offense
this year. And I'll know. I know why they're doing
it because he's the easy guy to send down. And
do I think it'll hurt his game playing in the HL, No,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I guys he scored his first shift. Yeah, Ryan Pike
actually asked, And it's a great question. You know, who's
the last player to score in both their first AHL game? Him?
At first an inchell game, And I have no idea
who else it would be.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
A great piece of trivia though, anyway, left to look
into that.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
But like, I get it, and maybe we don't want
him on this team right now because the team's so bad.
But like, he's more of an offensive threat than a
lot of the guys we have on the roster.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Most of them, I would argue, Yeah, it's also but
it's also like again with all these different players and
these different pieces that have been saying, it's it's not
even that any one of them is not a threat.
It's more so that nobody's a threat. Oh which, and
they are different as much as they as they sound alike,
they are different. I mean, this team doesn't generate offense
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at all.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
So let me ask you this question. And I'm not
trying to pick on him tonight, but I did. I've
kind of watched a little bit a lot lately. I've
kind of focused on him. It's probably not fair because
of where he's placed right now. But where is Connor
Zerry on a Vegas roster?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Probably third line wing with the ability to move out
and play second because you'd have so much more to
work with too, right, So it's a hard question to
answer in a sense, But I understand what you're saying,
because you know what they're doing. I don't. I don't
understand why they think you know four Fine, is where
he belongs. I would, honestly, I'd try him with Huberto
and Coronado, to be honest, I.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
That was I was considering having him on the right wing.
But you know what. You know what really pissed me
off when I saw the line chart yesterday. We're freaking
so Huskin's digging so deep that he's just like switching sides.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
He's like, Wow, Sharon Goovich played the left, We're gonna
have him play the right now, Like holy shit, Like
we're digging that deep or we're like switching sides for
wingers now, just to try to jumble the combinations up
and all of a sudden, miraculously it's gonna be like, oh,
all these mediocre players are all great now because I
phone the right slot for him.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Well, I'm trying to. I'm kind of wondering too, like
what is what does Dave lower think about this? He's
new to this team.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
He's got to be just going back to his hotel
room and night going oh, holy yeah, I don't know.
Have we vented enough?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, and we're not. It might be done for this episode,
but we're not done venting because yeah, long week, I'll
be in meetings thankfully, so I'll try to think about
this as little as possible.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Well, thanks for listening and venting with us of Flames fans.
If you want to vent more to us, get on
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gift card, and then we'll fire up a new contest
for November. I can't believe it's already gonna be November already,
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Wow, yep, crazy, yeah, craz z.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well, with that, Flames fans four games this week I
had to watch and hopefully maybe enjoy, but uh, I
guess uh. With an organization of the Flames, we got
to keep the faith and hopefully we see the right
moves made and I work towards the future.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
We have to believe that this is conducive to the
long term hope plan. You know the chant and again,
I mean, who knows things can change. I'd hate to
see them going a tear and be you know, miss
out on a guy like McKenna at this point. But
the possibility having him and a brand new building, you
know it works out north.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
So this Uh, sometimes things going completely horrible or awry,
whatever you want to call it, do lead to good
in the future.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Right, Yeah, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I thought of this last night and I'll leave you
with this. Uh. I used to cheer for a way
with this team.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I'm cheering for goals, like actual goals or like the
goals that we set for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Actual goals when you can remember every single goal your
team has scored this year, and you see what the
sad part is, Only about six of the ten goals
have been clean. There's been a lot of like shots
off states and stuff that it went in. It's like, oh, it's.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Maddening, it absolutely is. But here we are for the
long haul. Oh yes, trying to feel like an abusive relationship.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Well hopefully, like you said just a minute ago, if
if this leads us down the direction and makes it
glaringly obviously obvious to the management of the flames, and
they change course and push towards a brighter directional future,
then we'll be okay. Right, But we need to quit
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being delusional on our players. And thinking they're better than
they are because you'll never be a winner, do.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I can't believe you.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Sorry, Flame Fents, have a good week, Kyle, you have a.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Great week you as well. I'm gonna do my best
to do so. In autum walk and yeah, just try
to keep your chins up, everybody, and you know what,
if nothing else a discourse, the conversation, it's really really
entertaining and really poportable. So let's all keep up your tries,
maybe not the flames, but other aspects of our lives.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
I have a good week, play fence. See you next week.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
See you guys, just me and myself.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Man have this coffee fix in my mouth man on
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the week.
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
This week, I thought, yeah, that's wow, just wow, what
a what a start. One in five getting blown out routinely,
and as I think most of our listeners know, we
don't rehearse this show. We talk about the things we
intend to talk about. Sometimes we go a little more
off the cuff than others, but in this case it's
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very much off the cuff. So yeah, we're all miss together,
so let's try to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We're recording this on a Sunday morning, our afternoon, and
uh we watched the game last night, and uh yeah,
so our reactions are are fresh. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's I'll be honest. I made it midway
to the second uccle hockey. Jim Gudreau was actually here
staying with me for a few days, and we were
watching it just like, yeah, it's probably time to turn in.
There's how much hope with this one?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
It's uh, it was a mass and I don't know. Yeah,
I got a question before we get into this team
on X that our goalie and the miners Prostata has
got a new blasting mask. Does he know something we
don't know?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think he's been watching the scoreboards.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
He's like, Hey, I'm gonna get a shot here.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's that's an all timer for Flames mask. That's my
first impressions. It is beautiful. Is it's akin to one
of the marksman's masks I find?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah, very I saw it and my first thought
was wise. He then I'm like, that's cool. Though I
like it, but.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm good for you for picking something positive to kick
us off today.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm really proud of I'm gonna I'm gonna throw out
two more things positive and then we're gonna we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We're gonna get real dive into the hole.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
New Sends jerseys this week. We always talk about jerseys.
Were jersey guys. Uh yeah? Do you like those New
Sends jerseys? The red Ones with black.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Gold or it's funny. My buddy Josh is a huge
Sense fan, and he actually brought it up yesterday and
how much he doesn't care for them. But and I agree,
I'm not a fan, although I will admit I really
like the goalie gear set up with that jersey that
looks cool, but on the players, it doesn't do anything
for me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
My biggest knock on it is when you're watching it
on TV, you can't see the numbers. When you ever
read jersey with black numbers, you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Just what we did about years ago with the Flames.
Remember where I told you they had the black the
black lettering on the O four jerseys. Originally it had
changed to white because somebody read the names.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It was just it was it's too hard to see.
So yeah, I don't know. One last thing, what are
the odds of the Seattle crack and playing Hockey Night
in Canada? Battle in Toronto last night followed by Game
six tonight in Toronto with.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Them Yes, yes, yeah, I said the same I said
the same thing last night, and then actually Hockey Knight Canada.
They interviewed Shane Wright, who was from Toronto. The plays
for Seattle, of course, and he had a few thoughts
to share on that. But the odds of it are
astronomically low. I've got to believe. But and then to
have it like Game five Friday, Toronto, Seattle Saturday and
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hockey and then Game six Sunday, It's it's crazy. Really
only make it crazier as if Toronto's doing a home
and home right that that would have been nuts. That
would have convinced me that sports are fixed.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
We got the wrong person helping us.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, I don't know about that, because the reality if
it were fixed, I mean, what a year to you know,
And I'm not a team tank guy, as I've repeatedly said,
but if there's a year for the Wheels to completely
fall off and have a chance to get a player
like Gavin McKenna, I mean wow. So that's my segue
into how bad this hockey team is six games into
the season.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Good, thank you, Kyle. Yeah, as I pull up the standings, currently,
we have the worst record, we have the worst win percentage,
which usually goes hand in hand. Uh, we've lost five in.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
A row emphatic classes, not like their tight games.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
We're minus fourteen and goals four goals against. And to
top it off, and no one's really talking about this cure.
He says, Well, they won the game in Edmonton, now
we won the shootout. Yeah, we haven't even won a
game yet.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, true, fair, very fair. Robert Munich Coud posted his
postgame thoughts too. This one was really telling to me.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Loved it. I gotta say, we're on my phone. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So the the biggest thing, h apparent from the goal
to make the playoffs is over, because it is. But
here's why. That the ninety seven points make the playoffs.
That means we'll have to go something akin to forty
four to twenty five and seven in the last seventy
six games. And that's a six to twenty five points percentage,
which only six teams did last year. That is unbelievable
that only six games in your season is basically snunk.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's done. I mean, who we have six games who
scored ten goals.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's remarkably bad. That is so, so so bad.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
We're in these stats of thanks to Logan Gordon, we're
twenty seventh in shots at twenty four point two per game.
We're twentieth in power play at eighteen point two, and
we're twenty first and penalty killed at seventy three point nine.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And we played it was like fourteenth coming to the
Last Nights game or something.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Woll did you see last night? Could have just as
well gave him a goal and declined it and went
and dropped its center ice.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, almost like an intentional walk in baseball, right, Oh man,
so one of the things. And like I said, we're
gonna bounce around a bit here, which you know should
make for some entertaining conversation. Mike Olda had responded, and
he had lost to say yesterday and as everybody did,
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I'd mentioned that I thought the Sharon Gorich contract might
go down as one of the worst in mystery. And
I wasn't trying to imply it's worse than the ones
that he you know, fired back with being brower Neil Huberto.
But we're gonna have to look into this more. But
I'd like to compile a list of the ten worst
contracts that the Flames have ever signed.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
How about that's an off season or or whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, I don't think there's any doubt unless he has
a dramatic tier on that Sharon Govich, despite the fact
it's not a ton ton of money, is one of
the top ten worst I would think at this point.
But more pointedly with regards to what's going on right now.
Did you see Kevin bi X's commentary on Sharonovic.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I watched it live, Yeah, I did, and I was Gonna,
I wanted. I want to get your take on it too.
I it's as true as true can be. I saw
the play that he referenced with about six minutes to go,
where Sharon Govic looped around, comes to center ice, You're
supposed to probably hit the guy, and he just basically
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tapped him on the shoulder and skated to the bench.
And I don't. I've said this and a bitch many
times on this show in years past. Last year, I
would say I was completely wrong on this, but I've
hated Kadrey's mannerisms and body language over the years. I've
hated Kadrey's quit and people can argue with me on that,
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but it's there. It's evident, and I hated exactly. I
saw the same thing from Sharon Govic last night. It
was it was brutal, and I'm glad he got called out. Sadly,
I don't know that it changes this game.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I don't think it does it all. And actually, what
I like the most about it is I think the
ex is one of a handful of guys in the
hockey media. They're helping change the narrative in terms of
making it more real without being you know, directly offensive
or overly critical of players, because I mean, NBXIT did
play a long time the league, but guys like us haven't.
So I'm always a little hesitant to rip a guy
apart too much. But when you have a team that's
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underperforming as badly as Cagre as to the point that
they don't really belong in the NHL with the way
they're playing right now, you know, that kind of stuff
just resonates a lot more and it does make too
much wider problem, and one that you have talked about
at length for quite some time now about your belief
that this is kind of a country club locker room,
and it certainly it seems that way with the effort
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we're seeing or lacker.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Roo, I don't know. And you want to know the
bad news, and is it? You know we have Huska
just got an extension and it hasn't even started yet.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Which was such a stupid, stupid, stupid move. Everybody who's
anybody who watched any amount of Flames hockey last year,
which is to say, three to five games or parts thereof,
knows that they were in the playoff race entirely because
of Dustin Wolf. It's not to say, if you guys
have good years. Mattie Cornatto was great, for example, Kevin
Ball really emerged. But ultimately that's what it came down to.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I am I'm gonna preface preface this on both of
our ends because I believe you feel the same as
me as our our discourse and and and anger not anger?
Are we There's some of that are questioning. Huska and
Conroy in this episode didn't just start because of this record.
We were questioning this prior to seasons starting, and even
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some moves over the offseason. And now I'm sitting here
and I'm like, was there a better time to move
Cadrey than last July?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, seriously, Kaudre Anderson Coleman. The thing is this
is this is like the type of how would I
say that for think of an analogy, but like like
this ship splatters on everybody. Nobody on that team really
has much of any value right now, apart from the
youngest players, which is to say, maybe a guy like
Sam Honzik, matt Cornado. You know, guys that you want
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to keep for the long haul.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
The guys you want here ye value, you know, But
like gosh, I can't believe the Moon's saying that if
they moved Zori tomorrow, would you be upset?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It depends on what we got fro him, probably because
I think he's I think he's terribly miscast right now.
And that's oh so.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Do I And we're gonna talk about that. I got
that on my list too. Yeah, I guess, I guess
I go back to the glaring ones is you know,
like this, Anderson doesn't need to be here anymore. He's
not gonna be here anyways, right, Yeah, I just look
at it. Okay, now it's time, and this record slaps
it in the face of this organization that they have
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no choice now than to look vision in the future,
not playoffs this year. They have no choice. Yeah, it's
a slap in the face right now for them. So
now you need to look at the roster and you
need to determine who is the future. And I understand
that probably Blake Coleman is not the future, but for
some reason, my gut tells me that he's a key
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guy to ride this out with them, because you need
to have a few veterans and you need to have
a backline. You need to have I'm a wiger and
and and I think a Coleman fits that.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, yeah, and he does. I mean unless somebody made
a really compelling offer for him, which is entirely possible,
especially on the stretch drive for teams that will be
a part of it. I wouldn't have an issue hanging
on to a guy like that. But I'm also it's
a part of me that I'd almost like to see
like a press conference with the Flames just admit they're
you know, they're going to adjust their course.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
That don't hold your breath.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That's and I know, and I know because but because
I get again, it's like when the top of Kevin
b xent how real his rhetoric is, and even you know,
he huddered and top with Sharon go but he's like,
I forget what he said. But he was like, yeah,
but whatever, I don't care, like we need more of that.
And I'm tired of the postgame pressers. I think it
was a huge mistake, regardless of what the Flames accomplished
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last year, to give Husk an extension.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And he doesn't even have an extension.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
We may not after this, although to be fair to him,
he has done a lot of really really positive things
with this team. You know, Kevin Ball was a great acquisition,
for example, his drafting has been thus for our top notch.
But the it's always the easiest thing to do in
sports always is to fire the coach, right, which can
be to the point of ad nauseam when you have
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a team of players and just keep under performing.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
But I don't know that that helps his situation. I'm
not real happy with Ryan Huskin Allen. I'll expand on
that in a few moments, But I don't know that
that's the solution right now. And I don't know the
solution is getting rid of of conra And we've all
spoke very highly of Connor, and myself included about a
lot of his really positive moves. But I do have
one thing that to be said, though, an accountability that
needs to be taken by Conray. He restricted his success
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this year and in the future by way too many
restrictive one way contracts. Yep, absolutely, he did it with goaltenders.
When you have three one ways, you create a log jam.
Then if two of them don't work out, then what
we found out that this year we can't move Coolly,
we can't move whatever.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Were Here's the thing though. Need to let me just
stop and just remind you Conray was around as assistant
GM when Brad Trielid made the same mistake with Ramal
Hiller and Ortio. Yeah, well, no sense.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And you take this a step further. He's got way
too many defensemen on one way contracts. He gave out
two years to guys that that had proven nothing to
this team. Would have signed a one year deals tell
me the mere amount of wouldn't have signed a one
year deal? Tell me he wouldn't, Jake Bean, he would
assigned a one way deal. Why did we have to
go to We didn't need to go to, but we
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went to and then we got one way deals that
restrict us. Right these guys, I mean, oh, the record
coming in was not good. So why do we think
that this miracle is gonna happen that all of a
sudden they're gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Well, the problem, too is a few things. I'll touch
on one thing quickly, because it's more about Conord than
it is Husca. I'm not advocating necessarily for fying Ryan
Husker right now. I don't think that necessarily fixes anything,
but we'll get into his decisions later. Like you said,
but it is Conrad's fault for giving me an extension
based on one good season, one good season that ultimately
didn't yield the results that we would have liked to
give Nucleos the playoffs they were, so that contract extension
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is one of Conray. I'm not saying, you know, Huska
wouldn't have eart an extension maybe for the down the road,
but extending him for two years at this point made
zero sense, zero sense.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I've said it before and I'm saying it again, like
we as a fan base and a management and a
flamed organization need to quit fallen in love with players
and forgetting the other talent out there in the league
that we could get. We need to be a little
bit more ruthless, a little bit more real, and quit
falling in love with people and having them stick around forever.
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We do it all the time with this team. We
did it with Sutter too. It's not this isn't just now.
Fan base and organization fall in love with people and
we're delusional on how good they are.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yep, yeah, absolutely one hundred percent. So the other problem
that they you know, you're talking about in these two
year contracts and these guys hanging around. I'm a big
believer that if you have guys that are in the
AHL forever endeavor, you're never gonna know what you have, right,
Like so, Jeremy Poier is a name that comes to mind.
He has been in the AHL way too long, has
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not had a game in the NHL, has proven he
deserves a look, And that's a part of the development
and the fact that we have so many guys blocking
them from doing so We're gonna have guys like even
like Slovia Off We don't you know, but probably a
five to six defense mian at best, but very capable.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
And he's gone, but he's younger, right I mean, so
we didn't know and you know and I and this
is probably one where one place we differ, Like I'm
about having the youth come in. I don't believe that
you can have all youth because I don't think that's
gonna warrant good results either. But you know, I look
at this mirmana thing and I know ex is just
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a buzz all week with it, and rightfully so. But
I have no idea what this team sees in him
at all. None plays in the Vegas game, not the Vegas,
last night in Vegas on whatever, man, it was this
week Tuesday, Wednesday, Tuesday, and he was a train wreck
out there. He was a train wreck out there. We're
worried about pres defense, huh, forget it. We got Mirormana
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faut there looking like he's never played a game. And
I'm not trying to I'm not picking on him personally.
I'm saying that he couldn't do the job. And so
you do the job. What happens tomorrow? If you can't
do your job, they get rid of you right the business.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
The very least I get reprimanded, you know, reassigned whatever whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
But this guy's still up and he needs to be reassigned.
He and I wouldn't even I hate to say this
because this is really being mean, but I wouldn't even
give him ehl minutes. I would just bury him and
just pay him his money and go away, because I'll
be damned if he should be taken away time from Brustevitch,
because nets up all those guys down in Poorier. And
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I mean, you tell me, Kyle, would we be worse
off with Porrier in there than Marimana no being? I mean,
what what, what is it? Hurt to try at this point.
Now we're not any good anyways.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Well that's that's kind of it. It's too far gone,
which again sounds crazy six games in, but it's the truth. Now.
The other thing that I'd mentioned that's driving me insane,
and there's you know, still racking up a few likes
because I think a lot of people feel the same way.
But I'd mentioned before, like when the Flames brought in
Roman Hamer look compared him with Stan Finough. We like
Zaanan Perek has to have a reliable, consistent partner. This
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musical chairs thing is is the dumbest coaching decision that
I've seen in quite some time. You cannot, cannot, cannot
take a player whose defensive capabilities are already a little
suspect of the pro level because he's brand new, a
guy that elite level of talent, and he can't have
a consistent partner to learn the game with. It is
so stupid.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Here's the way I look at that, Kyle. We know
Anderson's gone, so put ball with Perek right now, and.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
They did last night for a little bit. Finally at
that point it didn't matter.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, but I mean, just so just go Rod and
what of that. That's what's going to be in the
future anyways, Right, he's probably the sky for him.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Right, they said. John Abbitt said last night that Kevin Ball,
I forget happy Kevin Ball had the you know, the
best stick check in the NHL. I'm not entirely sure
that's true, but he is am good at it. He's
our best defensive defenseman. He should be playing Zane brack
On for sure. But why it took you know, getting
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down to a one and four start and getting blown
out in the third period in Vegas for that to
finally happen. It's like, I just I can't understand that
for the life of me.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I said it on Acsterday when I posted the line charts,
like this is Huska, Just like, what does he go
into his office and just freaking start throwing darts?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
It certainly looks that way. But see now he's panicking too, right.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh, well, he's in full panic mode. And every time
he gets in full panic mode, it's oh lines in
a blender. And I'm tired of hearing these guys say, well,
husk it's very good at reading his players. No, he's not.
If he's really good reading the players. He shouldn't have
Zari centering in the fourth line. He shouldn't have Sharon
Goviich with Cornado and Frost talk about dead weight there.
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Oh yeah, Like seriously, he's not reading the room right.
And I'm not saying I'm a coacher and I'm an
expert at this and anything, but I'm just starting to
look at logic here and I don't like, ID rather
have hubert o'cadriy Coronado. I don't know. We can't score? Yeah,
and I like the game this year, I do, but
he's still not your guy to score though, right.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, he's he also has demonstrated zero finish right So,
but that's the thing when so many guys are snake
bitten and you're seeing these chances just completely, you know,
disintegrate in front of your very eyes, there does come
a point where you just can't keep blaming the players.
Has to be a consequence of the system. And there's
a been a bad pup cluck there. Like I get it.
I just this team, the personnel they have, they can't
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they can't be this bad every single night, as what
I'm trying to say, But here we are. So whether
it's a coaching issue, whether it's just the whole team,
just something is off this year. Wolfe has certainly not
been as good. But this is why I've been advocating
heavily on social media, saying Dustnell Wolf should have received,
he earned and deserves a reliable backup who previously was
the start of the league that can mentor him, especially
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now that he has this big contract, little up to he.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Needs a cam tell but someone to mentor him, someone
to help him, someone to guide him. Someone or Wolf
probably this year, I hate to say this, probably shouldn't
play more than fifty games. And I'm not saying that
I don't like Dustin Wolf, but like, how many Knights
can you run him out and do this? And I
will say he has not been good this year. Numbers
don't lie, but the situations he's been put in have
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not been good either. But Wolf has not.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
No, he's not. He hasn't been an otherworldly like he
has been. He has been really good at all. And
I'm sure he'd be the first to admit it. But
I know, and that's what I was. I'm just truthful. Yeah,
I wished and I said this you know a few
times now, Like I wish Jonathan Quick had been available
because I was his idol. The guys won at every level,
like you know, all those other reasons, but he wasn't able.
But like I said, Cam Talbot, maybe even a guy
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with James Rymer who you know PTO was terminated with
the Leafs and training camp. But there's there was a
veteran goalie somewhere that they could have plucked, even a
villiy whoso that we talked about, somebody who knows the
NHL level.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
And wants to work with him, right, and and I.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Just I can't understand how they thought that an AHL
journeyman and Devin Cooley, who in his one game was
very good.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Well I heard, I'm trying to interrupt you, Kyle. We
talked about that last week. Do you know that Cooley's
never played, even down to his youth, hoking more than
like twenty eight games in one year.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I didn't know the number. It's actually lower than what
I would have suspected, but I knew it wasn't a lot. Wow,
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I gotta get your I gotta get your take on
something though. So I sit and I look at this
light up and we trucked the fourth line out there,
like the fourth line probably had more minutes last night
than the first line, because at least two.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Of those guys carred right, Lomberg and Klapka.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And they did care. And I'm this is probably a
piss four time to bring this conversation up, but I
don't care because I only have an hour to talk
to you. Right. Is it time for this team to
maybe just completely rewrite the script and not have like
a fourth line grind line? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:59):
I think I'd talked a little with those on a
of our prior shows recently. I don't I don't understand
the belief that a largely ineffective fourth line makes any sense. Oh,
it's your checking line, you put them in again. This
thing that drives me the craziest is we've got a
goal scored against, let's roll out our checkers. It's like,
what are you doing? They're not. Momentum is absolutely a
thing in hockey, But the belief that momentum is predicated
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on a couple of hits and a you know, a
semi intense for check from time to time, I don't
really buy that, not with players who don't have the
skill to finish right. And it's not to say that
guys like Klapka aren't useful in other ways. Lomberg, I
think you know that fight was Hey, it's important to
defend a young teammate after the previous game. We're PreK
At nailed. But I do not and have never subscribed to, well,
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let's put together a real tough fourth line. I think
it's incredibly stupid, self defeating.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So let me ask you this. I like what Ryan
Lomberg did last night. He held held decisions accountable for
his hit on Perrect, which I didn't think the hit
was that bad. I think Prec should tighten his helmet up,
is what I think should happen. But your regardless of
he did it, and I and I and I condone
that and I want that. But outside of that, does
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Lomberg bring anything to this team at all?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
No? No, he's essentially essentially a cheerleader with you know,
with with decent wheels, and he's in phenomenal shape and
toughest nails. But as we've said all along, not a
guy that should be playing every night now based on
what happened to PreK Despite what you just said about
you know, Titaness helmet and it wasn't that bad. I
agree with you, But because your young guy got kind
of rocked, I would as last night.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I'm all for it. Yep, just just a situation.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, exactly, That's what those guys are on the roster for.
I mean, they're great practice teammates, they're great from morale.
You want them on the you know, on the charter
flights or on the bus or wherever. But every night.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Now he's an expensive cheerleader and his results are one win.
And it really wasn't a win because there was a
shootout win. So so I threw darts at the dart
board late late last night to make my lines. I
got kadre centering hubert Or and Coronado. I got Frost centering,
Gridden and Farrabee. I've got Backland centering, Sharon Govich and Coleman, which.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Whatever you might just take t Goovich right out.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah. And I got Tsari centering, Hansik and Klapka. Yeah,
I did. Do We are we in any worse shape there?
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I don't think we're We're undoubtedly in a little better
shape to the point we get results. I'm not sure,
but I mean, if we're watching uh losing the game
three to two instead of losing six to one. We're
in better shape despite the fact that it's no different
than the standings. You know. But here's here's the thing,
and Mike Bartner had I'm still trying to understand what
(25:44):
he was meant by this, but he's saying the Flames
were tanking unethically, so I I presume he's implying that
they're intentionally doing this.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
No, he meant what I think he meant to say.
Was there tanking unintentionally?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I don't know. I'm not so sure about because it
was a fault comment that was very confusing. But anyway,
whatever the case, I really don't this team is just
that bad. They're like, they are abysmal, and so it
should be all kinds of line up changes for the
next game.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Do you think that did every junior hockey coach last
night clip that penalty kill and watched the guy off
the half wall for Vegas just fire it down and
just bing bang boom in the back and two times
exact same play. I'm like, are you kidding me? You
guys like we didn't gick up on this after the
first time, we didn't make an adjustment in our penalty kill. No,
(26:39):
we just trucked the same crew out there, and the
exact freaking same replay happens in two seconds. It's like,
Holy cow, what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So this is yeah, anyway, this is what he said.
He said, the Cougar Flames are a deeply unethical tanking
team and the hockey gods will punish them. Just utter ass.
And one of the Flames sent respond and said we
need it more, and Bartner said, do it ethically.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
What do you like easy, implying that we are purposely sucking.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, we yeah, yeah, we just have zero.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Talent compared to me. I've never I've watched hockey sol on,
but I've never seen a game like last night where
the talent level was like such a discrepancy. It's it's unreal.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
It was I honestly, I can't even find the words
for it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Like it was.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It was incredible to watch. Like we have so and
we've said this so many times as everybody else, we
just have so many pieces, but they're pieces of different puzzles.
You know, Cadre is a perfect hit right now, probably
in Toronto, as you know, they're fans have long been saying.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
You gonna have them.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well, yeah, you know, Anderson's the missing piece of Dallas's
defense potential. Like there's all these different but assembled as
they are, it's just a bunch of spare parts and
a shopping cart. That's how it looks, especially on the ice.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Urns are not gonna be good. The return of just
losing Kadre's cap pit for the next few years and
his aging is good enough for me.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
So here's the thing. So certain pieces and sorry to
interview this time, but I want to jump on this.
Certain pieces are in place. Dustin Wolf is gonna be fine,
Kevin Ball talked up long term, Matt Coronado, Griddon is
on the right track, so is Hanzik Parakh of course.
So just getting rid of these guys that are place
holding and playing like their place holding. The return is
(28:33):
really not that important because the return is going to
be your continuing development the players you already have in
your system in drafting a guy potentially like Gavin McKenna, Right.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Because our return for Anderson, we as a fan base
might as well tone it down because it's not going
to be huge.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
With Yeah, I mean it could be better if he
gets better, but that would also mean, the team around
him has to be way better and that right now,
I don't see any of that happening. The only the
only thing that's going to break this this futility is
dust A Wolf pitching shut out in my mind, because
the team's not gonna they're not equipped to do it.
They're in this soul. They don't have the personnel dig
themselves out of it.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
But as good as Dustin Wolf is, like like, I mean,
this team's not going to allow him to do that
because of the situations they're going to put him in.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, well, I mean he can still single handedly do
it like he did much of last year. But I
don't I'm not even that it's happening.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I'm sum one of the things and that's going to
bring bring me to the X factor. One of the
things that gets me going is like the expectations for
this year. And I saw this X factor last night
from him on Kurjari Uh is that what it is? Well?
Thank you, but I like this, he said, I saw
(29:47):
a lot of discourse last night about how Flames are
playing below expectations. What exactly were that expectation of the expectations?
And I mean we talked about it a lot. We
had a prediction show. Oh I had them second to last,
right above San Jose you and him a little bit higher.
But like I looked at it as we had a
lot of guys last year have career years or above
(30:10):
average years, maybe not careers above average years. Did we
really think that all those guys were gonna have above
average years and then we were going to get a
better Frost, a better fare be, a better Sharon Govic,
a better you know. I mean, I think there was
a chance of all that happening, but I think the
chances were much less than probably what we saw as
(30:33):
a fan base. And I'm not saying I expected a
one in five start.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I don't think anybody did.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I'm not saying that at all. And I didn't expect
to watch a hockey game last night where the talent
level was such a such a difference that it made
me really shake my head. But I do think as
a fan, and I'm not blaming the Calgary fan base,
I think this is true and a lot we live
a lot on hope right.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, I also think that there's an expectation that things
are going to be linear, and this is a huge
problem that happened in fourteen fifteen when the Flames made
it second of the playoffs and were absolutely horrendous the
following season. Right, And they did that kind of one in,
one out thing for a few years and never really
get any further ahead. I know, they got dummied by
Colorado on twenty nineteen and get back to the second
(31:22):
round twenty twenty two, but they had some elite, elite talent,
right Our elite talent is not ready yet other than
you know Wolf, and right now, obviously he's struggling. But
it's always the belief that, well, we came this close
to playoffs last year, so next year we're gonna make it.
That's the plan. It's like, well, hang on, you really
need to do a deep, deep dig into how you
got that close. And again the number one biggest reason
(31:43):
is Dustin Wolf. And now you're counting on guys who
failed you last year as well, like you Grisharon Govich, right,
or hoping that Frost and Fairby take the step that
they certainly didn't take in Gagrie last year. So and
it's actually conceivable at this point, as crazy as it
seems to say, they can wind up losing that trade
of this continuous and I'm what I'm predicating that on
(32:04):
is I mean, Pelch looks like he may end up being,
you know, an Ahl journeyman to this point, because Menco
is there's erratica players who has ever been Although you
know it's been a decent fit in LA that's far.
But what I'm getting at is that if you've committed
the two guys you're convinced are going to help you
turn a corner and they do the opposite of that,
and you've given them term and you're paying them decent money,
did you really win?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Oh? I agree?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
So And at this point the jury is still out.
But I hate to say this.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know, like we we're pretty both pretty high on
Frost in camp, and I'm not writing him off or anything.
I think Farrabee would be a solid third line winger
though on a really good hockey team.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I think you'd be a good fit with Colman and
Backland over time. But the expectation, because he's shown such
flashes much like Frost has, that he could play higher
up the lineup is a little bit erroneous. I think
to your point, you have if you want to be competitive,
you have to put Huberto and Cadre and Cornado together.
You just have to. It's the only line you have
they can score. It's it's really is that simple. But
(33:05):
what's gonna happen is they're gonna juggle the lines. When
Pastpacil's back, They're going to mix him in and think that,
you know, his style play is going to give him
a bit of a kick in the ass, which it might,
but it's gonna be extremely momentary this season is is
it sounds so crazy again. I'm not trying to be
all down out, but you know, Robert staff that he
posts is very telling, like the season is over.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
He's right, I mean, And I was listening to the
postgame show on nine to sixty last night and someone
stole Robert stats and read them out there and like
it's it's there. I mean, Robert nailed it, man, I
mean this team's cooked.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, And I think what what? What I've been guilty
of in the past with not just hockey, but many
things in my life personally professionally, is that you get
angry over something and you keep thinking it's going to
get better, or if it doesn't, you just keep being
angry about it. And it's like, ultimately, you just kind
of have to come to terms of it and recognize
(34:01):
that this is the path we were probably meant to
be on. And I got just as excited, and we
talked about, you know, my predictions that have in the flames,
you know, in the in the mix, thinking they were
going to take step forward because there was some reasons
to believe so, but knowing now that they're not, It's like, Okay, management,
ownership hass to do the same thing that the rest
ofers are going to say, Okay, we've got some really
good pieces in place, but this season is a disaster
(34:21):
and there's no coaching change or big trade that's possible
that's going to change that. We've lost too much ground already.
And even if they could do one of those things,
there's no guaranteed that it's going to pan out. So
embrace this, sell off what you can, and get ready
for the draft because it could be the most important
one in team history.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah, you're true, We're right on the money. I No,
I think our shows as the year goes on will
get less angry probably than this one. You know, I
think we both are having a lot of emotion today
because it's frust.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
It was embarrassing. Yes, thank god there's no Vegas fans
up here around me, because it would be if that
wasn't a loss to the Oilers, the Leafs, Thecadians, I
would never hear the end of it.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I mean it was. I think it wasn't Vancouver, jeez,
and it was. I just I think I think we'll
come to terms of it as a fan base a
little bit more and move forward. Like, I'm still not
team Tank. I don't think we're going to have to
be team Tank. I think we're going to be in
the bottom five. I just think that's where it's at.
(35:21):
But now what we need to do is we need to,
like you just said, start the plan in the organization
has to admit and buy into the plan and move forward.
And I'm not saying, you know, just play all young guys.
I'm saying, like, we need to strategically place on what
what does this team look like next year, what does
(35:42):
it look like the year after that, what does it
look like the year after that, and start positioning for that. Yeah,
it's a process, and it's not an easy process because
some of these guys that we draft aren't working out. Man,
they're just.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, and I mean for his asonine it, some of
his takes can be you know, John Garrett made a
few comments last night, my favorite ones being the ones
about Kevin Ball's ridiculous giveaway behind the net, like just
a stupid bonehead, dumb, dumb, dumb playing from a guy
who's typically very good. And you know, we all make mistakes.
But Garrett was talking about, you know, how many first
rounders actually pan out? And I think he was a
(36:17):
little a little off the American suggesting it's a few
as what he said. But ultimately, yeah, you're going to
have many, many pieces that aren't you know, a hit,
just the same as you're gonna have if you're lucky,
if you like you know gudrou who was a fourth
round pick, he was an absolute all star.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Right, there's luck that's going to have to happen in
our favor here.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, But again, I think this team has such a
lengthy history that persisted to stay despite the fact they
are significantly better and intrigeting young players. They have a
history of burying guys in the miners and never really
knowing what they have. And that's why I mentioned Poe earlier.
I don't think Portie was going to be a stud defenseman,
but could he be a serviceable NHL defenseman far better
(36:58):
than the few weekeep rolling out like being a mere
one thousand percent. But we will never ever know because
we just keep jamming guys in front of them. Yeah,
it's and it's.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Just a fashion that logic tells me. Now we shouldn't
see being in miraman off again, but we will. Oh,
I guess we'll see them tomorrow night or Monday night.
I guess that's tomorrow we'll see him. I promise you
know what.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
This is how disillusion have become. I didn't even look
who we're playing tomorrownight, Winnipeg.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
You want to talk about what's coming up here, Carl,
and then I gotta get your take on one morning thing.
But listen to this schedule Monday, which is tomorrow Winnipeg
at Calgary, a very hot Winnipeg team, very very hot.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah. Wednesday, trying to find us stride a bit too.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Wednesday Montreal is in town. And then Friday the Flames
get on an airplane and go to Winnipeg again.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah that's just not fair.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
And then they come home Sunday for a lovely Sunday
night matchup with the New York Rangers. Yeah, though could
be a one or two and ten, two and eight
and nine. Seriously, that's not out of the realm here.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
So here's just some quick things. But all the teams,
you just listen. The Montreal Canadians are what the Cougar
Flames wish they were right now. Young, exciting team. Still
some you know, rough nights here and there, but they're
very very fast, skilled right up and down their lineup.
Like Demidov is the real deal. Cowfield's are great player.
Suzuki is a great player. Layne Hudson. Of course, the
(38:33):
Rangers have some elite granit older but some elite talent
in the form of j. T. Miller or Timy Panerin
you know, like everybody. And then okay, the Jets. So
the Jets have Mark Schiffley, who just broke the points
record for that franchise. They have Mark Scheiffley. They have
Kyle Connor, who's one of the peer snipers in the league.
They have Josh Morrissey, who's a stead defenseman. Every single
(38:53):
one of these teams has more than what we have.
We have a few, yeah, and we we have a
few talented pieces, for sure, but we are nowhere near
what those teams have.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's not even And we saw it, like you said,
we saw it last night a cool and Stone and
barbershev just ran rough shot over this team that looked
like it was the first pee we outing. It was
embarrassing to watch.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Oh the talent, the talent difference, Oh my gosh, it
was so glaring last night. And I don't know, like
you just listed off the guys, it's not a heck
of a lot difference come Monday night when Winnipeg comes
to town.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. The two Winnipeg games,
like and then even the Rangers the habs. But I mean,
we can keep going, never mind the impending like the
upcoming schedule. We can talk about the Ottawa Senators, who
I'll be saying in a little over a week against
the Flames, and they have, you know, oodles of talent.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
They got Chikachuk, Like, how about Jane Pinto, that's the guy.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, Shane Pino has been unreal, like Dylan Cousins, who
hasn't quite been a fit there yet. It's another really
good player like Jake Sanderson.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Isn't it funny too?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Hang on, none of this is funny, but go on,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Ill when your team has such a low level of
high end talent as the Flames do. We're you know,
when you hear it all year while we've heard as oh,
what a murderous row of schedule, Well, every schedule looks
hard if you're not good.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, yeah, And they talked about a length and the city.
I just came out, Oh that's a tough start for Calgary.
We knew it was going to be a tough start.
We didn't think we'd get absolutely like destroyed night in,
night out, like and it's and it's crazy to me
because it seemed with the start of the game last night.
Of course, you know, Vegas scores in their first shot,
(40:42):
Huberto manages to tie the game, Klapka throws a big hit,
like there's a few things going well, and then the
team just completely falls apart, like they looked so so bad.
And we used to be known to such a hard
working bunch. And while Sharon Govic and several others shattered
that reputation couple of times.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
We buried that. We buried that thought. Yeah, I gotta
get your take on this. Though Gridden gets sent down.
They was Friday Thursday, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
I think it was Thursday, but one of the two
they sent.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Gridden down to the HL. I saw Wes Gilbertson. Compared
to when Hansick went down last year. No, Hansig didn't
fit in last year. He wasn't ready physically and got
sent down and came back in. This this year is
I've been fairly impressed with his game. This is not
(41:34):
the same thing. Gridden is physically there. He's actually been
an offensive driver for a team that has no offense
this year. And I'll know. I know why they're doing
it because he's the easy guy to send down. And
do I think it'll hurt his game playing in the HL, No,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
I guys he scored his first shift. Yeah, Ryan Pike
actually asked, And it's a great question. You know, who's
the last player to score in both their first AHL game? Him?
At first an inchell game, And I have no idea
who else it would be.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
A great piece of trivia though, anyway, left to look
into that.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
But like, I get it, and maybe we don't want
him on this team right now because the team's so bad.
But like, he's more of an offensive threat than a
lot of the guys we have on the roster.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Most of them, I would argue, Yeah, it's also but
it's also like again with all these different players and
these different pieces that have been saying, it's it's not
even that any one of them is not a threat.
It's more so that nobody's a threat. Oh which, and
they are different as much as they as they sound alike,
they are different. I mean, this team doesn't generate offense
(42:46):
at all.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
So let me ask you this question. And I'm not
trying to pick on him tonight, but I did. I've
kind of watched a little bit a lot lately. I've
kind of focused on him. It's probably not fair because
of where he's placed right now. But where is Connor
Zerry on a Vegas roster?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Probably third line wing with the ability to move out
and play second because you'd have so much more to
work with too, right, So it's a hard question to
answer in a sense, But I understand what you're saying,
because you know what they're doing. I don't. I don't
understand why they think you know four Fine, is where
he belongs. I would, honestly, I'd try him with Huberto
and Coronado, to be honest, I.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
That was I was considering having him on the right wing.
But you know what. You know what really pissed me
off when I saw the line chart yesterday. We're freaking
so Huskin's digging so deep that he's just like switching sides.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
He's like, Wow, Sharon Goovich played the left, We're gonna
have him play the right now, Like holy shit, Like
we're digging that deep or we're like switching sides for
wingers now, just to try to jumble the combinations up
and all of a sudden, miraculously it's gonna be like, oh,
all these mediocre players are all great now because I
phone the right slot for him.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Well, I'm trying to. I'm kind of wondering too, like
what is what does Dave lower think about this? He's
new to this team.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
He's got to be just going back to his hotel
room and night going oh, holy yeah, I don't know.
Have we vented enough?
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, and we're not. It might be done for this episode,
but we're not done venting because yeah, long week, I'll
be in meetings thankfully, so I'll try to think about
this as little as possible.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Well, thanks for listening and venting with us of Flames fans.
If you want to vent more to us, get on
over to flamesunfiltered dot com, click on the speak pipe
app and drop us a question or comment. We will
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(44:51):
gift card, and then we'll fire up a new contest
for November. I can't believe it's already gonna be November already,
but yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Wow, yep, crazy, yeah, craz z.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well, with that, Flames fans four games this week I
had to watch and hopefully maybe enjoy, but uh, I
guess uh. With an organization of the Flames, we got
to keep the faith and hopefully we see the right
moves made and I work towards the future.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
We have to believe that this is conducive to the
long term hope plan. You know the chant and again,
I mean, who knows things can change. I'd hate to
see them going a tear and be you know, miss
out on a guy like McKenna at this point. But
the possibility having him and a brand new building, you
know it works out north.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
So this Uh, sometimes things going completely horrible or awry,
whatever you want to call it, do lead to good
in the future.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Right, Yeah, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I thought of this last night and I'll leave you
with this. Uh. I used to cheer for a way
with this team.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I'm cheering for goals, like actual goals or like the
goals that we set for ourselves.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Actual goals when you can remember every single goal your
team has scored this year, and you see what the
sad part is, Only about six of the ten goals
have been clean. There's been a lot of like shots
off states and stuff that it went in. It's like, oh, it's.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Maddening, it absolutely is. But here we are for the
long haul. Oh yes, trying to feel like an abusive relationship.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Well hopefully, like you said just a minute ago, if
if this leads us down the direction and makes it
glaringly obviously obvious to the management of the flames, and
they change course and push towards a brighter directional future,
then we'll be okay. Right, But we need to quit
(46:53):
being delusional on our players. And thinking they're better than
they are because you'll never be a winner, do.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I can't believe you.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Sorry, Flame Fents, have a good week, Kyle, you have a.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
Great week you as well. I'm gonna do my best
to do so. In autum walk and yeah, just try
to keep your chins up, everybody, and you know what,
if nothing else a discourse, the conversation, it's really really
entertaining and really poportable. So let's all keep up your tries,
maybe not the flames, but other aspects of our lives.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
I have a good week, play fence. See you next week.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
See you guys, just me and myself.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Man have this coffee fix in my mouth man on
(47:54):
the week.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
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