Flames Lock-up Coronato – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 241

Flames Lock-up Coronato – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 241           
Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14 
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Flames re-sign Coronato to 7 year $6.5 million
RFA/UFA Predictions
FLAMES NEWS- Off-Season Goals and Stanley Cup Playoffs 
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Flames Sun Filtered.
We are your house Kyle Lewis and Brad Burrett, and
for those of you watching on YouTube, we will notice
the name or in Winnipeg Jets jersey as a show
of solidarity for one of the greatest hockey games that
I think I've ever watching. Brad, what is going on?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, playoffs. We're going to round two tonight as Toronto
Florida kicks off. Last night we watched Winnipeg. I don't
even know what to describe it. We'll talk about it later.
It's something else. It's something else. You guys just kind
of been mining my own business. It'd be nice if
more people did that watching playoffs. Just I don't know

(01:06):
my I don't know if it's because summer's here are
coming now that like, it just seems like my life
went into like turbo gear. And some days I get
stressed out, probably more than I should, and today is
one of those days. But I guess I'm still laughing,
so that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, Well, we kind of said the same thing like before,
you know, before we jumped on, I've had a super
so I think I told you I had like ninety
eight phone calls today for work, which is not an
unusual day for me this time of year. But it's uh,
it's tiring. It's tiring, and it's tiring, you know when
you stay up late watching hockey and try to live
your life and your leisure time like in normally wood right.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I think that plays a factor. I think it really,
you know, And then you know, and then I was
just like we Sai, We're just kind of just watching
the playoffs. And then I wasn't really thinking a lot
about the Flames this week. I really wasn't. And then
all of a sudden, Conroy goes and locks up Coronado
and in my mind shifted gears to Calgary stuff and
it was it was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Well, and that's kind of thing. And what what I
find this time here that's so difficult is when your
team's out and you want it like you, you like
you mentioned you like ottawall lot, so I was hard
to see them go out right.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
I like their I like their makeup, and.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I find it's difficult, you know, to really latch onto
a team, but when they give you a game like
the one that the Jets and Blues gave us last night.
It just changes things, you know, Like it makes hockey
fans out of young kids who may not otherwise have
carrid about hockey because of what they.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Saw that night.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
It makes you appreciate a young player like Cole Profetti
with you know, two beautiful redirections. It's just it's just different,
you know, and it kind of brings you back into
the playoffs and you may not have had much interest
because your team's not in. So that's what I appreciated
games like that, which is why, by the way, Courses
is Trevor Lewis Jersey.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, you know, we talked about it last week litle
bit in the show, and we'll let's talk playoffs first,
and now we'll get into the Cornado stuff and I
want to talk about some other flames r phase that
were we may get news on any day. Right, last
night's game, going into the Saint Louis Winnipeg game. I'm
not trying to sound Debbie down right. I think I

(03:18):
vowed on the show like six weeks ago, I'm going
to be in a positive, more positive person, and I've tried.
Today's has been a little bit of a challenge, But uh,
I thought that Saint Louis was going to roll Winnipeg
last night, and they had started out that way, didn't it.
And all I could think of the whole night was

(03:39):
what's poor Connor Hellibook going to get asked after this game?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah? Yeah, everybody was talking about right.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, I just I felt like I felt like that
was not going to be a positive thing. And and
then goals with seconds to go, the final one with
two point two seconds to go, and the guy that
we've praised all along, Adam Lowry, I'm through in the
clutch and and sends this team to the second round

(04:10):
and injuries plagued. Although the Dallas team that's headed into
the second round to take on Winnipeg is injury plagued,
it's set for some pretty interesting series. So West is
really really interesting. Actually three of the four I'm interested in.
Three of the four series. Guess which one? I don't care?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Carolina Washington?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Does anybody care? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
It?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Who cares? I never watch New Jersey. I never watched
Carolina and I never watched Washington. I don't know why.
It's not right of me, I know, And I actually
got Carolina picked to win the Cup this year. So
like I should be interested. I'm just I not. I
just I can't get into those games for some reason.
But you put an Edmonton game on, anything can happen,

(04:55):
It's fun to watch. You put a Winnipeg game on,
anything can happen. It's fun to watch. And I think
Toronto Florida's gonna be a bloodbath.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
It likely is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the reasons you
just listed the same reason the most think are native series.
I'm not sure why it is. The larger hockey population
seem to struggle getting into Carolina series, even Washington, I mean,
the Ovechkin thing. Tom Wilson's obviously big play out performer,
but it's probably gonna be a great series. It just
doesn't have like the storylines maybe that the other ones
seem to.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think you're right. I think you're right. I mean,
you know, there is some actually some interesting factors that
I think are are gonna make that series pretty entertaining
in the long run. But I just if it was
like the finals, the Eastern Conference finals, I'd probably be
more interested in it than I am now because the

(05:45):
other three series are are very very intriguing, and you
know what we talked about this Winnipeg game being such
a barnber. How about the Dallas Colorado and and what's
the irony that Rantman's the guy that pops off three
goals in the game seven and one of them it
I heard a statistic today, and I hope I have
this right because I was driving and I couldn't write

(06:06):
it down and whatnot. But this is only the second
time in Stanley Cup history that there was only one
other time and it was a long long time ago
that a team to two teams exsued me that a
team has come back from two goal deficit in the
third period of a Game seven, and I was like, wow,

(06:26):
is that really for real? And it happens two nights
in a row, and it makes sense, you know. And
then you were talking about how in the eighties, if
you had a three to one lead in a game seven,
you just literally packled everybody even close to the puck
and nothing was called and that was the game.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, yeah, basically.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And it's interesting too because the game games like that,
you know, like where you mentioned like were so many
injuries you know, occur throughout the course of the game
and throughout the course of the series. It really changes,
the storylines are a lot too right and seeing like
I mentioned, I remember on the show last year as
someone how I thought the Jets should really throw cold
if I didn't line up against Colorado. And not to say
he would have done as well last year when he
year younger, but man, he remember you saying that. Yeah,

(07:06):
he was an absolute star for for Winnipeg.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, be a fun serious Where do you see the
Winnipeg call this series going well?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Based on the injuries both of them have, I can't
really say for sure. I like to think it's gonna
be a lengthy series, like another six or seven games,
which they obviously both just get out of. So it's
gonna be it's gonna be tough, but we'll we'll see
how it plays out. But I think six or seven.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
What's your thoughts on you does Winnipeg get through this? Is? Hello? Buck?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Hold up, that's a man. I can't answer that because
he came up big in the overtimes, but he really
had to. But I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Know, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Like I remember, after Game three, I was like, well,
he'll be back with a vengeance in Game four, and
he wasn't. And then Game five I thought he was adequate.
Then Game six one good again, and it's like, oh
my gosh, you know, and that all Game seven will
be great, and it's like, didn't look good right away,
but you know, I guess in the and he was there.
I mean, hopefully he's able to really we'll really see

(08:02):
his character here and see if you can turn the
page on that and put it behind him and start
a fresh series. And I sure I wish the guy
the best. I remember a couple of years ago listening
to him. I don't even remember if it was on
I think it was on a thirty two Thoughts summer edition,
and he did an interview with Elliott Friedman, and he
just sounds like the nicest guy in the world and

(08:23):
just a true competitor. And I wish him the best,
and I hope he comes back. And I want want
to Pig to beat Dallas, because I don't I'm not
a huge I only like I skin and he's the
only guy in Dallas I like. So I'm interested to
see what happens there Vegas Edmonton. I mean, it's going
to be drama filled, it's going to be crazy. I
think I don't know that Edmonton. I don't know. How

(08:48):
do I say this? The true La Kings to me
are probably a stronger competition for Edmonton than Vegas. I
feel like Vegas's goaltendings. I don't know why. I ate
hickels and wins the Stanley Cup and I still don't
give that team any goaltending credit at all.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
I don't know, I don't I have a I don't know.
It's I don't really know where I think about the Stars.
I have a bit of a hard time with them.
They've got some really really great players, and like I
like Jake Ottinger a lot, Oh great, great, you know,
fantastic goaltender as far as that series goes, like I

(09:26):
just try to think if Winnipeg wasn't it I have
some level of investment in Would I really be invested
in the series if the Stars are playing somebody else?
And I don't really know that I would. But I
go back to like a day when Dallas was a
Western Conference power in the early two thousands, late nineties,
along with Colorado and Detroit, and that's how I always
kind of knew them. So I've never really related to
them in more modern conduct. So I just didn't care
as long as the Flames beat them. But I mean,

(09:46):
I know they're a really good team and obviously a
Cup contender, and I just I don't know. I'm curious
that sh'd here about other hockey fans think about this,
Like what's it like for them when their favorite team's out?
You know, like do they feel that disconnection as well?
Take a really epic game that dragonnit? I just love
watching anything, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I thought a lot about that because we touched on
it last week, and it's like one of those things.
It's like, I think I'm having a harder time this year,
and I think it might be because we were so
close if we'd have like last year, I didn't have
a hard time, but we were out in early March
last year. I think I had on the calendar that
we were pretty much history. And it gives you a
little more time, right, Yeah, yeah, I think if that

(10:29):
makes sense?

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Does anything make sense?

Speaker 2 (10:31):
No? Does Edmonton win this series? Man on the shoulders
of Calvin Pickard if.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
They have monked a native, I don't know. I mean,
if he can continue to play well, I absolutely have
a chance. You can't not have a chance. With David
and Drysidtle. But yeah, I don't know. I guess it's
just such a strong team. It's so deep, so deep.
That's a tough one. Do you think they will?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I do? I actually think they do. I think Dallas wins.
I think Edmonton wins. I think. Believe it or not,
I can't believe I'm going to say this. I believe.
I think Toronto wins in seven, and I think I
think Carolina wins in five over Washington.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, I would say six, but I think, yeah, I
do think that goes that Caroline to think that series
for sure.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah. Should we talk about what we came here to
talk about today?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Sure? Take the lead. I want to hear your thoughts
on this.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Saturday afternoon is when it went down, right, Yeah, Saturday afternoon.
Matthew Coronando ink to a seven year extension six point
five million. My thoughts are this. Prior to this happening,
I kind of went through all the RFAs in my
head and thought, what should we do with this guy?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
What?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
You know? And I had thought that this was either
going to be a two year bridge or like an
eight year deal. I was thinking he was gonna get
seven or maybe seven point five and a long term deal.
And I thought he was gonna get about four point
five to five point five on a bridge. Uh, he

(12:14):
got six point five on a seven year deal. I
think that's perfect. Maybe a little a little much for
a player right now, but it probably is going to
age well and be a hell of a value on
the back side of it.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Well, everything he does indicates a player that's going to
age very well, or his contract is going to age
very well. I should say, like unbelievable shot work till
a hard in his defense, really improved his skating. I
don't see how this doesn't age well just because the tools.
It's not like he had a crazy high shooting percentage
or real benefit or benefited or benefited by playing with
an unbelievable player. He had good line mates still get

(12:51):
me wrong, but I mean, there's there's no bump here
that made him better than he actually is. And anybody
who suggests otherwise, and I have seen a few, I think
they're just completely full of it.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I liked it, and I I am you know me,
We've talked enough about this. I'm I was worried to
sign out long time, long term deals. I kind of
liking this to the Rasmus Anderson deal, which, as much
as we can be frustrated right now with his play
this year, it's aged well and it's been a great contract.
So I kind of liking this one to that. I

(13:20):
like this seven year term. I like six point five
sounds good to me. I think the upside of Matthew
Cornado is huge.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Like I said last episode, his skating has gotten so
much better and it's gonna it just it just changes
the style of player this guy is and gives him
more space, more room to move and for us to
see that shot that I think is in the top
ten percent in the in the National Hockey League, there's
no question.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
If you see it live, it's unreal. Unreal. Like, I'm
really happy with this contract, So let me ask that
every basically, how do you feel about it? Like, what's
your personal feeling? I know you mentioned a few reasons
as to you know why it's good or maybe why
it may not be. Construers go about how do you
honestly feel.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
I feel good. I feel good. I mean I honestly
thought it was going to be seven or more. I did.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, Yeah, I feel like it was.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
I mean, is it a risk. Yeah, it's a risk.
But tell me a contract that isn't a risk, right McDavid.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Really, you can give him whatever you want. It's gonna
be worth it there under within reason.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, I mean, there's a there's a handful of players
you just you can, you know, give them a blank check.
But I I I I feel real comfortable with this
to you.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I think it's a great contract. I wasn't expecting the
timing of it. I mean, I guess it makes sense.
He's not going to the world Yeah, he's not going
to the Worlds, and the team is obviously an active,
uh you know currently, so it makes a lot of sense.
But I was when I opened my phone, and so
I'm like, oh wow, awesome, first almost fallen. And it
also sends a message that you know, players are willing
to be here and want to be here, American players.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Good. Yeah, he's in America too, So I don't think
that's a bad sign. That's a good sign. Right. I'm
super excited. I'm super excited to see the progression. You know,
six five sounds like a lot, but like with the
cap going up and the this could be a hell

(15:19):
of a all of a deal in years three, four, five,
and six and seven, right, I mean, I was happy
with this play this year. He was a plus player
for this team when there wasn't a whole lot of him.
He had twenty four goals in seventy seven games. He
gets seventeen plus minutes a night, I mean, and it
wasn't like I look at his stats and it's like,

(15:39):
I can't think that it's like a one off. You
had a thirteen point three shot percentage. That's not like
one off numbers there either. So I feel real comfortable.
I feel really really comfortable on this one.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, I do too. I'm really really happy with it.
And it's hard to really poke anything. Like I saw
a few people saying, like, you know, the amount of
goals or whatever, and it's like, I don't really understand
how he can pokeholdness if you've actually watched the guy
play and see what he's worked on and see where
he's brought. Is the love he's brought his game too.
I just I don't see it's a great contract, and

(16:12):
I think it's market value for a guy that next
year we've and I said it in the previous show,
he's going to score thirty to forty. There's no question
that must doesn't get hurt.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
You know what. One of the thing that makes me
feel more comfortable too, is when you look back at
his first game, right and you look where he's coming,
Then what is he played? What did I say, seventy
seven games? He's played one hundred and twelve career in
anchil games, which is not a lot when you think
about it. But look at the progression he is. We've

(16:42):
seen improvement the whole time.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
We've just an upward Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
So I mean is that not a great, great sign
that we're that we're safe and moving in the right
direction here? I think I always look at the everything
in life is like risk reward, and I feel like
the reward always the risk.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Here, there's no question at all about that, Like none,
there's not much of a risk quite honestly. I mean,
given his age and where he's at in his career,
I mean there's always some I mean people, I mean,
look what happened to Sharon Govich. We didn't expect this
Shaar to be that poor for.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Him, right, Yeah, I think we'll see a bone bounce
back there.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
But I mean, well, and I think so too. But
I mean it's about as minimal risk as you can
have with a young player. I think yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Think so too. I like the age he's at, and
like we said, the progression is there. But now I
have a couple questions for you on some of the
other RFAs, and this one here is one of the
more interesting ones and one that I think we'll talk
a little bit more as a summer because I don't
think this is gonna be one that Craig Connory is
gonna have a real easy time with. Because when I
started thinking about what I would do with this guy,

(17:49):
I was at a loss. And that's Morgan Frost. He's
I mean, do you dare go? Term? Do you? I mean,
where do you go with this guy? And even wouldn't
not do you go with this guy? What? What are
your thoughts on.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
That bridge you have to bridge him? I don't. I can't.
I've heard down with the number that that's where I struggle.
I want to say, like two years at like four
million per maybe.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
I said two years at three point five or three
years at four point five mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I feel a little safer with the two with three
point five just because I want to see what he
does here, you know, I just I don't know what
Morgan Frost We're gonna. I see him play and I'm like,
he's dynamic, and this looks great, and this looks great,
and I'm like, wow, this is this is really good.
But it doesn't seem to end up in the back
of the net. So it does. It does create a

(18:40):
little fear for me, and I would be I would
be shocked if if if we did anything longer than
three years, be shocked.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
If that would be a significant risk, you know, to
compare it to the conversation just said, but Cornetto would
be a significant risk, I feel.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
But then again, it was a risk to go and
get this guy, and we've obviously done the legwork on it,
So I don't know. I still think it's going to
be a two three year deal, but I'm very interested,
and I think this one might drag out a little
bit longer than what U And you know, I'm asto
interested in what Morgan Frost Camp thinks and wants.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
I don't know what kind of Leveragy has. I don't
know what kind of Leggy has a stand on.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
You know, I agree, I agree. I agree. You know,
we all think he could be a thirty goal scorer,
but Kenny.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
No, I don't. But I shouldn't say that. I said
before sixty point player, you know, I felt that was
his trajectory. And now I'm not sure. I just I
don't know. I just I go back and forth on him.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I do too. It's a tough one. So and here's
another tough one. What do you do with Adam Klapka,
who's in RFA. We talked about it last week. I
got him pigeonholed, I got him in his NHL player,
I got him on the fourth line. But what do
you do? What if he says I want four years?
Do you do that? And what price tag do you
give Adam Klepka that one night?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
I think you don't know what you have with him.
I don't think you go beyond a year. He might
do too, if he you know, he'd probably want to.
But like, you know, you go one point five million?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
But is he gonna want a one way deal? Like
I would love to sign him at a two year,
one point one point five million dollars two way deal,
but he's not taking that. He's taken a one way deal.
Now you want to guarantee he wants a one way deal?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too, And I think I
think we have all He.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Is an RFA though, so we have leverage. So maybe
we can get him as get him on a one
year deal at a million bucks on a two way
deal just for one more year, and once he proves
himself then yeah, then we'll we're gonna have to pay him,
right mm hmm, yeah, I'll Kevin Ball.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Just give him whatever he wants.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
What would you do, like, what would you do for
a term? Honestly, I mean give him.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I'd give him max term and I'd give him like
five Yeah, absolutely love the guy.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I just I wrote down five years at four point five.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
That's a great contract. I think he wants longer, and
I think we should give him longer. Really, yep, I do.
I just think he's so effective, he's so effective.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I'm very interested to see what happens on that one.
Very interested. Another one that I can almost guarantee is
going to be a bridge is Connor Zerry with his injuries.
I don't know how it can't be a bridge, and
I think it should be a bridge. What do you
do two years at what do you what do you
think he's gonna get He's gonna warrant.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
That's a hard one because the injuries. I don't think, Yeah,
I'd be happy with that.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I'd be happy with that two years, three point five,
see what happens, and.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
I think, good thing, this are gonna happen because year
was an aberration. For sure.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I do too, But I but I don't think you can.
I don't think we're in a place where you sign
him as to a seven year deal.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
No, no, no, no, it's it was trending that way
at one point, but it's just the injuries are tricky.
He's still young and still does so many things well.
But I just I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, I don't think. I just think you played that
one safe and and I think he was probably gonna
understand and think the same thing. Now we have we
have a we have a Oh here, let's get to
the biggest one. Okay, Dustin Wolf is not an r
f AID right now, but he's gonna be extension in July.
And we hear everybody say, you know, give him a

(22:43):
blank check if you do a bridge, which I think
he's gonna want I think he's gonna want a bridge.
What do you do two years at five? Oh?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Yeah, I don't want to bridge him, but yeah, I
would do that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I don't either, But if he's smart, I think that's
where the money's at for him to betting on himself,
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I would say so? Yeah, yeah, Ike, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
If you if you went to him right now though,
this is the only thing I was thinking. Now, he's
another American, which we make a deal out of that?
When we should?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
We?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Should we not? I don't know. Yeah, probably if you
went to him with eight point or eight times eight,
would he take that.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Based on what Coronado took, Not that that's necessarily any.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Way comparable, but you know, all these are different.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Though, Yeah, but younger American, there's some similarities there. I
think it's a coin toss. But I think I think
he would because he's still going to have lots of
prime He's going to have lots of prime years beyond that.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
I think it'd be hard for what is he twenty
two now, a twenty two year old year old man
to look away at sixty four million dollars. Yeah, i'd
be hard. I don't know. I don't know. I don't
know what he does. What number do you think is

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too high?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I wouldn't because there's such a I mean, he's always
been a success, but I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to
go above eight point five, just because goalies are so fickle,
you know, Like I know, I'm with you. I mean,
if they signed him at like nine, it's like, hey,
you know what this is? This feels risky, even though
I know he's a superstar and I've said he's going
to be a superstar, but that this is what's so

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tricky with all these young players sharing on this team.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
So is it smarter to not give him a contract
right now and wait till he goes into his RF
A year. We don't have to see how he does
next year. Like I don't have any doubt that he's
not going to be a good player. I don't, but
like we are wrong sometimes right, Like I think.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
All the time. It's part of being it's part of
being human being.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
He proved to me everything that he needed to prove
this year, which would make me open my checkbook. But
I don't know. Is it smarter to watch him play
fifty more? Games. It doesn't and it doesn't hurt us
anything because he's an RFA at the end. Like, I'm
not gonna be upset if this team doesn't have him
locked up come October one this year. I'm not. I

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that does not mean at all that he's not going
to be here long term. It doesn't mean that anything
to do that. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I just I have such a hard time on this one,
and I really do. And I think in that I
want to say, like, as these dominoes fall around him,
because I don't think, well, for whatever reason, I don't
think he's gonna be in the next one to sign.
But as these pieces fall into place and it becomes
apparent what direction the team's going in with this this
young core of theirs, I think it's gonna make him

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more apparent what he's willing to do in terms of
how much he's going to commit.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I think that's what a lot of players watch
now is like, give me reasons to It's like any relationship,
give me reasons to stay right, give me reasons to
want to be here.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
There's a good odds that he says I'm not talking
contract this year because what if he goes out next
year and wins a VESNA.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
I don't know that he has a leverage to not
talk it though. I think there's gonna be lots of discussion.
I just I don't. I don't think he I think
he's more humble than that.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, no, I know, but you know how agents are too.
Doesn't he have papers on too?

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah, I'm almost positive he does. And he's sad. He
knows what he's doing. It'll be interesting, That'll be That'll
be an interesting one.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Other than the Anderson situation. That's probably the next biggest topic.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Probably probably UFA's rattle through those real quick get your take,
Anthony Mantha, sign or don't sign?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
That sucks. I'd like to give I'd love to see
that guy get him all again. That was so unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I know, I just don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I I give him a PTO, Yeah, give him, give
me the PTO. Kevin Rooney, No, he's gotta that's the
sunset on that. Just move on.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Here's an interesting one justin Kirkland.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
One year, two way deal. Right, Yeah, it was a
Cinderell story. I get that, but like I know me too.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I I because if they don't sign him. I'm not
gonna lose sleep because nobody during the run to get
to the playoffs, nobody was like, well, I wish we
had Kirkland here tonight. I mean, I know you did,
because you wanted a runey.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, I just I don't know that. That's a hard
one because I mean, he's a role player, and he
had some really cool moments, and those cool moments kind
of a you know, really put a shine on what
he otherwise is, which is a he has been a
tweeener his entire career.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I'd like to believe he's a late bloomer, but that's
a bit of a stretch. So I absolutely think he
deserves to stay with this team, and he brought a
lot to the table when he did play, far more
than anybody anticipated. But yeah, I I don't know. I
I'd give him. I'd give him a one year, two
week contract, especially given the nature of his injury. That's
a big one to come back from it his age
and for anybody at any age for that matter.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh and I'd feel comfortable doing that too. I really would.
Dryden Hunt, would you what would you do?

Speaker 1 (28:13):
There? No, No, I'm done unless he's gonna stay unless
he's gonna stay in the HL. I'm tired of these
guys that are always in the middle, always in the middle,
you know. And I just I think that's a bad
habit for It's for a lot of teams. I don't
just like I don't just like the player. I just
I'm tired of seeing these names recycled year over year.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
If you could get him to be your like, every
AHL team means that needs that veteran guy, right, Yeah,
I'd be fine with that. Joel Handley, what are we doing?
It's a really hard one.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Mmmm. That's probably the toughest one.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Uh well, I think you want to retain him, But
I mean, I don't know how you temper that value
that I think is really at his age and give
him that he played with wig Er I all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Somebody gonna give him good money because he's a UFA.
He can go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, I think you'd like to stay any one. He
said as much. But I money talks, and I think
somebody's gonna overpay for him. Yeah, And I hope he
has another year like to when he had this year.
I really do hope that for him. But again, somewhat
of the Kirkland situation that it's an absolute outlier and
therefore you have to tread carefully, right. Yeah, and again
I want to emphasis this again. Good for him, great season.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
You know, really he was a fun story. He really,
he really was. He was a fun story this year.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Absolutely, Dan Vodar is a final one we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Uh. And we talked about this fair but already.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, we did, and we'll just touch on it quickly
here because we did talk about a fair amount a
couple of weeks ago. But I stand tall on that.
I'd be totally fine if we give this guy two
years at three million per I'd be totally fine.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Mhmm. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I don't know that we can go out and find
a backup that's any better than him.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I don't think that we can. I don't know if
any on the market.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
And uh, and we already see that him and Wolf
were good together, Like what sort of what sort of
prove here anymore? Right?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I mean, it's not just sad, it's the fact that
the Plan B has had a major injury and his
play fell off when he came back.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, or the Plan C.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
I guess you could call him just based on the
depth chart, but I I think we have to run
that ten to back based on what happened. And but again,
like Hanley, I do see somebody out there saying, hey,
he was a really good backup. We should try and
sign this guy. So he's gonna have to want to
say more than three.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't think anybody gives them more than three. I
thought I was generous.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
I think so too, because goalie is in a sense
can be considered a diamond dozen because it's a backup, right,
but every now and the mean, look what Calvin Pickart's
doing at Edmonton. I mean it's a very important position, right, Yeah,
so but we'll see how you know, Pickard plays against
the Knights obviously.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
But yeah, so if I told you we had three
more things that need to get done before the season starts,
to f you're Flames general manager, what would they be?

Speaker 1 (30:55):
I think you're gonna find a fourth line center. Yeah,
I think they've really undervalued how important that role is.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, that might be justin Kirkland. We don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, they could be, but I mean I think they
need to have another option just a case, because that
type of surgery is such that he may have lost
a step. So that's that's one of the bigger things.
In terms of scoring, I don't see a whole lot
unless he's it's trade that makes sense where you can
trade out some of these defensive prospects for you know,
a real impact scoring player. It fits that age group
to keep talking about. So I think the one let's

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scirt around the idea of upgrading their scoring for sure,
but I and I do think there's if Hanley leaves,
for example, or more so, if something happens with the
Rasmus Anderson, they may have to look at a veteran
D as kind of a stop gap option while they
get guys like Parka or Mara Brisdavitch or whoever speed
at the NHL level. Yeah, so let me ask you
the same thing, and I'm sure there's some there's some
overlap here. But outside of what I said, what else

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do you see as a need for this team? What
should they be focused on the summer.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Left D veteran left D. I think the biggest things
are going to have to be taken care of. I
think the number one thing that needs to be taken
care of this offseason is we need to have a
stone cold decision on Rasmus Anderson. Just we need to
know it's hard to build this without knowing the future
of that. I also think that we need to be

(32:15):
open to hearing offers on Kadre. I know that sounds crazy.
I know that sounds ludicrous, but I think we need
to be I don't think it does.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
No, I don't think it does at all.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
To just I'm not saying trade him. I'm saying explore
because if we compare that into getting a younger prospect
along with maybe Erasmus Anderson, you don't know what we
could pair there together. Because God knows we need a big,
right handed center. We want to draft one this year.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I will tell right, Yeah, well, and there's some interesting
things too to watch going into camp, but we don't
want to gloss over too much. And I know they're
long shots, but guys like Carter King like desirable NCAA
type players that could Sam Morton, you know, we don't
talk about him a lot because he was kind of
overshadowed by the other debuts and gave me two. There's
a lot of little things that could fill out this

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roster conceivably, because every year the surprises and you know
Cornado's emergence Wolf being as good as he was there.
It's just and that's the joy of the sport, right
as you just you don't know who's going to really
step up and season opportunity. So outside of the UFA
market or any potential trades or some internal options that
I still think you're very intriguing, but we're not going
to know anything about them until October November, right because

(33:27):
because we've seen before, a strong training camp does not
translated to a strong regular season. Look at Sam Honzik,
where does he fit next year? Right?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Well, you know, and he might be the guy that
shocks the world next year and Stecks too.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
It's like anybody else. Man, you put in a good summer,
you're you know, you're working your foot speed, your your agility,
your strength, whatever it is that you work on, your focus,
your mental health. You know, if you bring any of
those things back better, then look at Point.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Look how much he progressed last year. He comes into
camp and he wins the spot, and then he struggles
a little bit, which is to be expected, right, and
then he goes down to the miners and we just
kind of wrote him off, right, and I know he
didn't have like a barn Burner year for the Wranglers,
but I mean, this guy is still young, and I'm
I'm not sending this kind of pastor yet I still

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think just hope there.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yep, I think so too. Yeah, and he again, he
kind of got forgotten because other guys have emerged. But
you know, after his demotion, and I think it was
important him to go down to the Wranglers and kind
of around his game out. But it's funny, I haven't
thought about him much since that happened. I really haven't.
And I know a lot of people probably the situation.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm guilty of that too, But I mean, you look,
I always view things. When we look at slots on
the roster, I think we need to fill them with
people that we know that can play that spot, and
then we take our prospects and the ones that perform
and push those people out. Then they hit waivers and

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go bye bye. We just don't sign anybody long term
so that we can move people and manipulate that and
leave room for these young players. Right, Well, we can't
just say well, we know I'm using him as an example,
but I mean, we can't just say well, we're going
to keep that wing slot open for Hansick next year,
and then all of a sudden, Hansick struggles through camp

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and it's like, well, shoot, now, what do we do well?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
And that's the difficult balancing act of you know, signing
insurance policies are players you think we'll play in your
lineup and making sure they don't block players who are ready,
and also you don't want to take players who you
think are ready who aren't. And otherly, thman the rules,
they're just not going to succeed in. Right. We got
very lucky, for example in the thirteen fourteen season Sean
Monaham and he potted twenty goals and was a pretty

(35:41):
damn good mature player for being so young. That doesn't
happen very often. And how do you continue to build
a competitive roster at a time when there's that push
to get better? Like again, I talk about fifteen sixteen
season where everybody thought was the Flames of the playoffs
are and taking a step forward. I think this is different.
I do think the Flames will make the playoff next
year because the pieces that they need to be successful

(36:02):
have already done so and have proven they can do it,
you know, over the course of a full season, but
supplementing that is very difficult. Signing the right pieces, trading
the right pieces to get good things back that can
help you in the immediate but also not sacrifice what
you're trying to build. So we can hopefully get away
from this moniker of mediocrity that's been plaguing this team
for most of its existence.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Right Yeah, No, It's a balancing act, isn't it. But
you know what it's about times that some of those
breaks and go our way, right, I mean, yeh, don't
live life on the luckier, but like I do, believe
that it all cycles through, right.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yep. So it's going to be It's
an interesting and I'm going to ask you this now
and we'll come up of course throught the summer. But
right now, knowing what little we do know about the
state of the team in terms of the composition, I
guess we know fair bit. But there's lots of questions.
Do you think this team makes the playoffs next season
in twenty six?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I would God, that's terrible to see. I would say
the Vegas odds for me would be less that they
don't make or there would be more that they don't
make the playoffs. But boy, I feel like they're they're
there right, Like, if we can just have a couple
of guys pop, a couple of guys elevate their game,
get Coronado and to elevate just one more step, hey,

(37:18):
get sorry to be healthy and elevate a step. Boy,
the doors open for us to make the playoffs. And
if we're sitting here a year from now talking about
us in Round one, winning or losing, I'd be happy
and I wouldn't be that surprised if we made the playoffs,
because I think our goaltending is great, my biggest I think,
the biggest cog in this. It's going to determine that. Yes,

(37:41):
everybody points to scoring, and I will too, but it's
how these young defensive prospects fill these holes or how
we fill these holes defensively, because I don't care how
good of offense or how good or bad you are offensively.
If you suck defensively, it's really really hard to make
the stand the Cup playoffs. So I think that you know,
is is going to be a real determining factor.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
M hmm, Yeah, absolutely, I think they're gonna make it
just because I think golf is just that damn good,
and I don't it's always concerns about sophomore slump for
a guy like Cornatto potentially or even a Wolf, but
I don't based on how they play the game. I
don't see that being an issue to any major extent anyway.
So it'd be interesting to see. But we have so

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many things to talk about the summer, which is why
we committed to doing this as often as we have.
I mean, apart from the fact we love doing it,
is that there's just so many things that need to
be covered.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Doesn't seem like there's an off season in sports anymore?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Well, there isn't, right, not in well, I mean there
is in a literal sense, but the off season is
so busy that you always want to know who next
rookie is gonna be, who are you gonna sign, who
you're gonna trade, who's going to retire? Even you know,
like a lot of teams out there have pretty good
like you know, David Savard retired from Montreal Canadians and
another former Monkton Walcat Mark Andre Flurry of course, is retired.

(38:53):
Patrick Murroon's retired. Those are you know they're not. They
might be older, but they're not. It's gonna be pieces
on the teams that they play for.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah. Yeah, time was fast only Kyle. Two things I
gotta get your opinion on before we leave here today.
Mh I read today that Frank Sarahvelli is leaving Daily
Face Off, which was surprising news to me.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Where's he going to me?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
No, doesn't say. He said he's fulfilling his contract through
July first, and he'll be a free agent. Any speculation
where you'll see Frank Saravelli.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Mm hmmm. Probably somewhere in Calgary, given that's what he's
you know, kind of hitched his wagon. Doing good for him.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
I thought call that very interesting news today.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
He's a bit of a I don't want to I
like this. I do well. He he's interesting, but some
of his takes I struggle a bit with and some
of my find But I mean, you can say about anybody.
It just means he's doing his job right. So he's
going to have lots of opportunity and I wish him
well wherever he goes. But I mean he I'll give

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him full credit for the fact that he's typically right
at the heart of whatever's going on. Yes, and he's
he doesn't. He doesn't come across, you know, like certain
people in the Calgary media might. And we all know
the one gun'm referring to who has me blocked on
X and you know that's my badge of honor. Yeah,
just where he goes. So yeah, what else you got?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Derek l'loand is doing a hockey day in Canada?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yes, yes, yeah, like or dislike, it's okay. So it's
always tricky. It's always tricky to take a coach or
a scout or somebody who works in the game at
a different level and put them in the media because
the roles could not be more different, right. It makes
it difficult in a sense because they're just not camera ready,

(40:44):
like you know, the the presentation, the enunciation, like he
even torrella. People thought it was funny, but he was
awful in the media because he didn't really want to
be there, right, or at least he made it seem
that way, which may be part of a shtick. But
I've enjoyed it because I think he brings a real
coaches perspective to it. Some of it's a bit and obvious,
but that's hockey talk and a lot of circles. But

(41:05):
I like seeing coaches get the opportunity to have, you know,
to have their say on a panel, for example. And
I think I do think he contribute something. I will
say that, but I really these aren't pros like the
Kelored Rudies of the world or the La Freeman's right,
and I don't think they're meant to be. But I mean,
you get it. You gotta, you gotta temper your expectations, right,
I'm I'm now remember I'm a guy that was a

(41:26):
big fan of George Trumpoppolos doing how can It Can
of the one season he did because it was different
and it was engaging and I'm not saying it was
a long term answer, but it was cool, right. It
kind of broke up that old boys club culture that
hockey's notre pro sports really a notorious for. So what's
your take on him?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
He he brings a good knowledge, I think, but his
presentation is so non entertaining that I just find myself calling,
oh boy, I miss Bruce Boudrew. He just he was
comical when he did it. I don't know, just the
entertainment value is just really oh really.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
No, Bruce Bruce Boudreau. I just always think about him
at the draft and meeting Kevin Owens in Montreal because
he's such a big wrestling fan and he just freaked
out like such an American. It was so cool.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
He's just a comical guy.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
He's just yeah, and he just he likes the stupid
things the rest of us like and everybody does, but
he's honest about it and you know, and forward about
who he is. So yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Okay, I gotta bug you with one more thing. I've
had this on my list of things to ask you
for five episodes and never got to it.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Wow, okay, Okay, if you were.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
An NHL player and you could have a five team
no trade list, what five teams are you having?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Okay, so that there's a yeah, there's a qualifier here.
I don't know enough about a lot of these markets
because I haven't lived there.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
No, I haven't lived there. But none of these guys
do either. None of these guys, well i've lived there either.
I'm just saying I know five teams that I'm not
going to play for, and they're gonna surprise you.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I don't want to go to Toronto.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Oh, they're not on mine.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I'm not I'm not just in Toronto. I'm not going
to I'm sure you wouldn't go to Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
They're not on my list.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Uh wow, close to home, I guess though, at least
I don't know if I can give you five because
I'm I maybe because I'm nowhere near that you know
that that level ever, But I feel like i'd be
so privileged, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, But I just I
feel like I'm so far removed from that privilege that
it's hard for me to give you an acurate answer
because I just say I'll play for anybody. But off

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the top of my head, I wouldn't want to go
to Toronto. I wouldn't want to go to Ottawa only
because arena in the middle of nowhere and it drives
me crazy. I wouldn't want to go to Seattle.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Uh just.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Well, yeah, that's kind of a tough one. Seattle in Utah, Utah,
because it's just such an undeveloped player and some respects
from what people tell me. Again, I want to be
carefully because it is beautiful here Seattle. I just I'm
not sure the direction that that team is really going,
and I don't know if I'd really want to live
in Vegas to be honest.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Oh really say they'd be up. I'd be fine with that.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I think most people would. I just I don't know
if that that lifestyle like it's like everybody visits and
nobody lives there kind of thing kind of maybe stuck
in my head. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, what do you got New Jersey, San Jose, Anaheim, Seattle, and.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Dallas any particular reason for any of those.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
New Jersey just because I can't have you ever been
in New Jersey before? No, I don't like it there
San Jose. I don't know if I could do the
tax thing in California and that lifestyle, I just don't
think I could do it. Swallow would be there in
La though, because it's a better organization. Anaheim that that's

(44:57):
the same thing as the San Jose reason. Seattle, I'm
not living in that place. I am not living in
that hole. That is a hole, not going there.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I apologize all of our Seattle listters on behalf.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Of Brad That's okay. I don't even Yeah, Dallas, I
have Dallas on there. This sounds really really crazy, But
when I was a little little kid before the Flames
existed to me. The Minnesota north Stars the only team
I knew because they would come play preseason games in mine.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Not OK.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
He was crazy to think because we're we don't we
didn't even have a big arena. But they came here twice.
They played the Flyers one time, and they played the
nineteen eighty four US Olympic team that had Chris Cellios
on it. They came and played here, and the Minnesota
north Stars would go to this grocery store and sign autographs,
and now I always get to go. And I met
Bobby Smith and had had good time there. So I

(45:52):
was really pissed off when they left and went to
Dallas because the north Stars probably would have been my
favorite team, but I was just starting to develop into
hockey at that time. Yeah, well I'm not going to Dallas.
That's a dumb reason. But that's why I'm not going
to Dallas. Plus, have you ever been to Texas? No?
Not the greatest place, Sorry, Dallas fans.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
It's all I mean, it's it's all out of perspective.
I mean, there's there's a mailing people say they would
never play in in uh Calgary, Edbington or maybe Vancouver.
They don't want to go Toronto, like I said, probably
because the pressure. Mostly I just I don't I don't
get a good I don't know. I just don't think
like that's a just if you look that place, I
want to be here.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
You know what. Honestly, Kyle, if we could travel to
all the cities, our list would be completely different.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Oh, one hundred percent. It's just it's a fun little exercise, though.
I'm curious to see how it would change, because I
always hated the city of Ebonton and admit that it's
grown on me as a city. Never mind the team.
That's a separate discussion.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Never but I'm forgetting to give you the reason I
brought this up. One hundred and eleven players were anonymous
anonymously polled for this mm hm, you want to hear
the top five Winnipeg Forty percent of the players at
Winnipeg nineteen point five had Buffalo. San Jose was three
with eight point five, Calgary four with three point six,

(47:09):
Ottawa five three point six, Anaheim six two point four,
and the New York Rangers seventh two point four.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Buffalo nothing to do with the city Buffalo, which is
that organization is a train wreck. Man, that's terribly trailer
and even more that more than anybody, I love their
fa so do I want a good friend of mine
as a fan of theirs, and man, I wish he
had some success to enjoy. But anyway, me too.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
We want success for Buffalo. We've always had a soft
spot for them, and we also have for Winnipeg. So
come on, Winnipeg, let's get this done this year.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah, it'd be cool. Yeah, And you know, if this
was a Vancouver Oryminton jersey, I'm sure people will be
more uphelt me. I think they'll understand that on wearing
a Jets jersey because small Brackcadian team that gave us
one of the Again, I said this the outside of
the show, one of the best hockey games you're ever
going to see, And so yeah, hopefully keeps guys like
us whose team isn't it engaged in playoffs at the remainder, We'll.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Give you a pass in this one.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
All right, five stans, Let's get on with your week.
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(48:25):
we're going to talk about Obscure Flames, players of call
and I really really like fun and Careful one episode
on the summer episode Bornando's signing change that this week,
which is exciting. You want to talk about down too,
so borrowing any other signings, trade whatnot. We will be
there next week. Favorite Flames.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
One for sure, lots of opinions.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
That's right, we made a coup.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Another episode in the books Fun I guess absolutely always is.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
And as we leave today, original band that we featured
on the podcast, get on over Spotify, Apple Music Check
for those guys out. We have a good week. Flames
fans enjoy round two. Stanley Goverment Blas.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
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Speaker 2 (50:00):
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