October 27, 2025 • 47 mins
Flames Tank? No! It’s Reality – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 262
Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14
--- EPISODE 262 ---
GAME RECAPS – Wpg@Cgy | Mtl@Cgy | Cgy@Wpg | NYR@Cgy
The reality is this team is not very good…this is not a tank
Kadri Trade potential. When is the right time?
FLAMES NEWS- Wolf Quote. Coronato Scratch and Lineup Changes
NHL NEWS- Blue Jays overshadow NHL
X-FACTOR- Huby needs elite scorer – Bravo Flames @teapot_toff
GAME PREVIEWS – Cgy@Tor | Cgy@Ott | Cgy@Nsh | Cgy@Phi
Website: Flames Unfiltered
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Social Media – X - @FlameUnfiltered |FACEBOOK – Flames Unfiltered |INSTAGRAM – Flames Unfiltered | TikTok – flames.unfiltered
NHL #HockeyX #TalkinHockey #HockeyPodcast #Flames #cofred #nhlflames #calgaryflames #YYC #FireItUp
*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14
--- EPISODE 262 ---
GAME RECAPS – Wpg@Cgy | Mtl@Cgy | Cgy@Wpg | NYR@Cgy
The reality is this team is not very good…this is not a tank
Kadri Trade potential. When is the right time?
FLAMES NEWS- Wolf Quote. Coronato Scratch and Lineup Changes
NHL NEWS- Blue Jays overshadow NHL
X-FACTOR- Huby needs elite scorer – Bravo Flames @teapot_toff
GAME PREVIEWS – Cgy@Tor | Cgy@Ott | Cgy@Nsh | Cgy@Phi
Website: Flames Unfiltered
Listen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts
Watch: YouTUBE
Social Media – X - @FlameUnfiltered |FACEBOOK – Flames Unfiltered |INSTAGRAM – Flames Unfiltered | TikTok – flames.unfiltered
NHL #HockeyX #TalkinHockey #HockeyPodcast #Flames #cofred #nhlflames #calgaryflames #YYC #FireItUp
*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
The money anything.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
HEYFLCE fans, welcome to another edition of Flames. I'm filtered.
We are your house kind of listener. Brad weize always Brad,
what's going on? I know?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
No, we won. I don't know if that's good. I
might have is it sad like after we win? I
don't even know if I should be happy anymore. I
just don't even know how to feel. I do have
something funny though, for you. Last week's episode was, yeah,
a little.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Wild, right from what I recall.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yes, I got a listener quote describing last week's episod,
so it as I could have roasted hot dogs over
that podcast. I thought that was that was pretty good.
So now will this week's be as fiery as last week's?
(01:15):
I don't know, Maybe not, but probably barely close. I
don't know. I think the I think reality has hit.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, yeah, reality has hit, and we're all happy because
we pounded a New York Rangers team that played the
worst game of professional hockey they've played in five years.
Oh man, they were dog shit, And you know, I mean,
it's gotta break a scoring dart any way you can,
but holy hell, the Rangers are bad. I don't think
we deserve much credit for that win.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, no, no, no, what'd you think the other night
when the Saddlene lights wouldn't come on?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I thought, if anybody wonders what we need new building,
there's your answer. Actually, know, when I was in Ottawa
that came up too. I was, you know, I was
there for Canadian home builder meetings, and I was hanging
out with people from across the country, and uh, I
hate to tell you this, but I became very close
to a handful of Canucks fans.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I know you mentioned that, and I don't know how
I feel about that. Actually, you know what's funny is
I'm actually friends with some Canucks fans.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And well you told me this.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, And because I am, they have made me hate
the team even more because delusional behavior, whether it be
on social media or communicating to me.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, yeah, like, and I got ripped on all week,
whether it was at a podium or at a breakfast
table about being a Flames fan. And then the fact
I had a podcast, which you know, thankfully everybody uh
you know, wanted to wanted to follow it, and maybe
because they knew that their Canucks fandom would would get
me going. But yeah, Alex Matt and Cassidy, like the
(02:54):
three people that I really really hit it off on
request to Ricaus Oilers fan unfortunately, who I attended the
Oiler Senators game with last week. But I kind of
you know, living in the East, I kind of forgot
how fun it is to be in the midst of
like people who hate your team and love the team
that you hate.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You know, you know, as I say that how much
I hate Canucks, I don't really hate their fans. I
hate the way they behave, Right, there's a difference.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That is a difference because it's trying to interpt you,
but I hate Leafs fans. We've talked about this.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, where I live, I run into less Leafs fans
obviously than you're gonna run into. I run into more
Oilers fans than anything. And I just I think that's
what makes sports beautiful is to have that hatred.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, we have so much hatred in this world and
I'm trying to avoid it at all costs, but like.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
To dump it into your sports teams, right, well, this
is just different.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
There's a different I look at it this way, like
without rivalries, like sports, like, would would it be fun
I mean, I always look at games like against Nashville.
It's like I got to watch them play Nashville tonight,
or oh I get to watch them play Carolina tonight,
or New Jersey boring mmm fair. But if it's like
(04:15):
I mean, even last night, I watched the Miserable Rangers
Flames game and I look at the other channel and
I'm like, oh, Canuck's oilers, I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah, I get that, Yeah, I get that for sure.
It's it's interesting to me because like we're all again,
like we're all such big fans of respective teams that
at least gives you something to bond over. I mean,
I was being made fun of being in plain stand
moments into my first meeting with these people, because then
I kind of realized it's a bigger part of my
identity than I think even even I realized. But I
(04:45):
think that I had to admit. I had to admit
I you know, I think admitted to a cassid in
particular that actually like the Canuck skate logo.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I love that, I know, and the more that they
were and I'm like, oh, I'd like to like this team,
but I just can't you know.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I've had a swallow that in my top five most
exciting players, actually my top three most exciting players to watch.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Is I talked about Burra.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He might be my top two.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, this is getting weird. I'm gonna tell you why.
So I talked about burre uh and how a buddy
of mine has and then somehow think I mentioned that
one of my new friends are Cast has got family
in mine, not North Dakota, and I was like, I
don't know, you don't that's insane.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
When you called me last night and and said that.
I was like, there's a lot of like weird, ironic.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Stuff going on here, strange feelings, right, lightly eerie. Yeah, yeah,
that's bad. I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I don't know we ever know anything in life. I
do know that our Flames team is not very good.
How do you like that segue?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I think it was necessary, a little odd, but necessary.
So who let's dive into that, shall we.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I'm ready to talk about whatever. My list is long
to night, Kyle, like surprisingly because like since we last talked,
which is only a week ago, because we do this
show every week. Because if you're new to the show,
we've had a Winnipeg Jets lost two to one to
the Jets, we lost two to one to the Canadians,
we lost five to three to the Jets, and then
(06:23):
we beat a miserable Rangers team five to one. And honestly,
I don't they have a hell of a lot to
say about any.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Of those games. Wait, well, that's and I watched like
parts of all these games at various bars while I
was in Ottawa a little bit on my phone. Now,
I was far more preoccupied with with the Jays when
they were playing Game seven against Seattle. But yeah, every
one of them was like super low event, which is
(06:50):
a phrase we've heard a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I watched all of them, and that's how boring my
life is. I watched all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know, I don't know if I can match your
fire on this particular episode, Like no, I contributed an
intro and a couple of personal anecdotes, and that's pretty
well it. And yeah, that is awfully boring though, And
because it's so boring, and because we care about our
listeners and our viewership, you know, we don't want to
dive into these games because you're probably gonna stop listening.
(07:19):
Because they were all that boring.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
One thing we do need to do is put this
in perspective to our to our listeners. We are ten
games in, We're two seven and one, the worst start
in Flames franchise history. We're dead last in the National
Hockey League. We're minus fourteen goal differential, we're thirty second,
and goals per game we're twenty six and goals allowed
(07:44):
per game, power plays twelve point two, twenty ninth, and
our penalty kill is seventy five percent nineteen. Some brutal numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
The penalty kills. The only one that wasn't like extremely offensive,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
No, but that's still bad in bottom tier.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And it's abysmal. It is abysmal.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And one thing I want to clear up. I think
this will be like the what's the world I'm looking
for the main part of the show.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
The crutch of the show is That's right, that's the word.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I was thinking of.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's what I'm hearing for.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Couldn't come to it as quick as you. This is
not a tank, you guys. When you're trying to win
and you still can't win, that is not tanking. That's
just reality of a bad hockey team.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Now that said, the counterpoint to that could be that
your head coach scratches your best goal scorer, and you
tell me you're still not trying to tank? Are you sure?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
No, I'm gonna. I would put my hand on the Bible.
There is no way Ryan Husk is trying this. His
lineups are so jacked up every night. That's just what
it is. That's the way he does it. He's a
dart thrower. He's a Jeff Ward. He is a dart thrower.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Somebody else at that the other day too.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Blows my mind. He comes out on the Postgamer the
other night and says, I really like our five on
five play, and the next day's depth chart completely different. Yeah,
if you like your five on five play, your depth
chart should be fine, right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, you would think, yeah, I I really I don't
know what else I mean. I said a lot about
him on the last show, not just about him, but
in general. I think it's a really, really, really poor
idea to gift a coach a contract extension when any
semblance of team's success is due entirely to one player,
As we talked about extensively last season, me dust of Wolf.
(09:47):
So but now the all of the issues with his
system or lock thereof, and his coaching philosophy seemed to
being exposed. In my opinion, at least, then I know
others share that opinion.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I would agree. Now I will, in defense of him,
say that it's hard to coach teams that lack talent.
I'm not saying with any talent. I'm saying high end talent.
So yeah, he's in a rock and a hard place.
But I just I don't know. I am completely and
I've been against it with other other coaches we've had.
(10:21):
I'm completely against the constant, constant juggling of allions. How
in the world would anybody ever develop any resemblance of
feeling comfortable with another player if you only play them
one game that way, like you're losing anyways.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I think you are more fired up than I am
this week.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
It irritates me every night, like I do the depth
chart to place on the socials every night for a podcast,
and every night I gotta shuffle shit all over the place.
Move this guy, he, move this guy here, Come on
like it's not helping.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
No, it's not. It never does. And yeah, again we
bring up the Jeff Ward thing, which I think we
pick on him a lot because of how erradicus coaching
style was and the fact that he would just literally
throw the lines in the blender, as you've repeatedly pointed out,
And this is the most we've seen of that sense.
And it's equally as bad in my estimation.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Might Yeah, it's equal. It's equal. They equally suck because
they it equally doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know, it's really really hard
to get your head around, especially when you're trying to
find some consistency and you walk guys to break out
of a funk.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And I know, I know people will say, well, Brad,
like running the same line out there is in the
definition of insanity. Yeah, I mean to a point, but like,
how do you ever develop continuity? Like like you just
can't take a line, put it out there and be
like magically it's beautiful. Yeah, you have to work together
(12:00):
for a period of time, not sixty minutes, twenty minutes
they get on the ice eighteen minutes some nights. I
don't know. You just can't. You can't operate that way.
I mean, this offense is just it's bad. I saw
an X. This isn't a not r X factor, but
I saw when it's from rand up. John Day says,
(12:21):
the Calgary Flames have motivated me to look up. The
least scoring least number of goals scored in an eighty
two game season was one hundred and fifty by the
Buffalo Sabers in twenty thirteen to fourteen. The Flames after
fifty one hundred and fifty goals. That was a twenty
thirteen to twenty fourteen The Flames after eight games. This
is when I saw this. After eight games were on
(12:43):
pace for one hundred and twenty two. Let that sink
in one hundred and twenty two goals the whole year,
the whole team.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That's an average of one and a half goals per.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Game after eight games. That's the pace we are on now.
It has went up slightly in the last two games,
but not by much.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, I mean, everybody knows that this note. These numbers
weren't sustainable. Of course, it just doesn't make sense. Just
by virtue of participating in the sport at professional level,
you're going to score more goals, and that's exactly what
happened against the Rangers because a lot of those goals
were pure gifts.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Well you know, I think I believe like puck luck
finds you and it doesn't find you, sure, and it
found us in the Edmonton game, because let's be honest,
I mean, we had shots bouncing off skates and going
in all over the place. We had goalies doing things
that goalies shouldn't do.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah Skinner, Yeah, I want to talk about him for
a minute, but let go and finish up and I'll
jump in.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And last night, I mean we we scored some really
nice goals last night, really nice goals. But we also
had the puck bouncing to us in a more favorable
way to lead to those goals.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Right. The ball shot was a great shot. I probably
should have been stopped. The scher go which one was
a weird one back when coleman were gifted, you know,
a great short headed chance. Kadre's was actually pretty nice
and which one am I forgetting a lot of Coleman's
like this was too bad either. But anyway, there was
a lot of puck luck. As you'd said, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I'm not saying they weren't some nice goals because they
really there really was some nice goals. Codrey made a
hell of his zone entry, got it the ball that's
a great goal. I mean, we had we had some
really positive things I saw last night, So I'm not
and you know what, this is what bothered me. I
need counselor counseling. Okay, I followed myself last night not
(14:29):
cheering when they were scoring, and.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Wow, you know what, I can relate to that though.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And and I'm not sure why, because I even thought
to myself, well, why why am I not excited right now?
And it's because the reality hit hit me, and it
hit me really hard after reading Howard Munich's tweet a
couple of weeks ago or a week and a half ago,
when he said, we have to play at this pace
to make the playoffs and that's not possible. So I've
(14:57):
already like accepted the fact we're not making the playoffs. Well,
I surely if we're not gonna make the playoffs, I
surely want to make sure that we get a good
draft pick. So now I'm not cheering for this team
to lose, but I'm surely not cheering for him to
go on a ten game win streak right now, because
mathematically I don't think we still could even make it then.
(15:20):
And that pains me to say that, but I also
look and I did something and we'll probably talk about
this on future episodes, but I kind of charted out,
like if everything goes our way, like what would our
roster look like next year and the year after and
the year after. And we need to draft very high this.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Year absolutely because every game that we you know, we
trot out this roster in some version of it. It's
very evident again as we give them on how that
high end skill, especially amongst the forwards is ranking. Pre's
gonna be fine, We're gonna turn his game around. Dust
a Wolf is dust a Wolf. He was excellent against
the Rangers.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
But you will have a tough year this year.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Not yeah, that's why, Yeah, precisely. So I don't know,
We'll see how it all shakes out. But I get
what you're saying because like, I still like, I want
to get excited, but I still like glance up like
when they'd score them, like oh sweet, you know things
like that, like instinctually, But but yeah, it's just not
the same.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I mean, I love the Flames, and I I can't
wait for a time when we're talking about ten game
win streaks and Cup contenders and I pray that that
happens sooner than later. But I am also a very
realistic person, and I'm not seeing this talent. The talent
(16:42):
that we have combined right now is not capable of
taking us to a very high level. I don't think
it's capable of taking us to the playoffs, much less
through the first round. So that beings said, I need
to see progress, and that problem starts with drafting, and
(17:02):
it also can segue us into the next situation getting
better production from guys like Coronado, Sharon Govich, Frost, Farrabee.
The list goes on and on. Connor's aery. I'm losing
faith in big time.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Had a good game last night, though, and.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
We need to maximize return now now on Anderson and
more importantly, the guy we should have maximized it at
the draft last year, na Azem Kadri.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, you canna have Blake Coleman to that list as well.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yep, although I voiced it last week too, if we
kept play Coleman, I'm not gonna be upset.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
No, there's no Yeah. I understand that he's a good
mentor to have around. He's still a very effective player,
but yeah, I mean this team is always you know,
refused to commit to the path that they should. I
for a lot of better ways saying it. I guess
so at some point they're gonna have to accept their
fate and sell off these pieces. But I mean any
that they can go to this hole and paraying that
to a playoff spot is delusional. At this point. I'd
(18:04):
love to eat those words, because it'd be a lot
of fun to be ahell of a story. But you
can't dig a hold of deep and I think, you know,
going forward, it is like I'm going to have the
game Thursday against the Senators. It's gonna be a little
bit difficult to be invested in the Flames win. Not
because I don't love to see my team win, especially
in the context of experience at the arena. It's still enjoyable,
you know. I hope that's the case, because nobody likes
(18:26):
to be, you know, present for a loss. But it's
a different vibe. There's no hope for this season like
there is in so many others.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
You know what you want to see, Kyle, You want
to see Wolf play really well. You want to see
Coronado get a goal. You want to see Connor Zari
get a goal. You want to see some of these
guys that are struggling m start to promise. Because Connor's
area's start is awful. One point. I think he's got
one point. Still, let me look it up. I mean
(18:57):
he was better last night. He's got two points. Now
through ten games, he's minus five. Matthew Coronatto, who will
talk about him in a minute, he's actually got three
points in nine games, but he's minus nine. Subject subjective
stat but still relevant.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I just I sit and I look. I don't know.
Here's here's another stat that I phound.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh no, I don't want to hear this toay.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
No connter ZERI he has one speedburst twenty to twenty
two miles.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Per oh I saw that leave a man.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
And the league averages eight point four. He looks very slow, well,
very slow.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You say eight point four versus one that's sinking. That's abysmal.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You want to know another one? And I haven't looked
up his yet.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
But I didn't want to know that one. But go on, well, I.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Don't have another stat for this one, but I'm gonna
probably look it up for next show. And I need
your opinion. You need to talking me off the ledge
on this one. What's going on with McKinzie wiger. He
looked like he went to the buffet last night, ate
a ship ton of pizza and couldn't move the rest.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Of the night. He texted me that about he looked
fat and slow. I laughed aloud.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He looked like a leaguer last night. Yeah, he's minus
on the ear, he's minus ten.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, he's been awful. Why And I think I think,
I don't know, but I think he sunk his chances
of making Team Canada. And I hate to say that.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, he looks like he's out of shape. And I
hate saying that because who am I to I mean,
who the hell look at my body? Like, who the
hell am I to call somebody out of shape? But
holy cow, like last night he looked very, very slow,
And I don't think it's just me. That was like, jeez,
what the hell was he doing on that play? And
it's not just that play, It's been multiple ones.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm worried hard to believe. You know, twenty goals in
fifty two points aight or two ago, he's.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Got zero this year. And I'm not saying that. I'm like,
I'm less worried about McKenzie Wiger. Don't get me wrong,
then I am Connor's area. I'm I'm way less worried
about McKenzie Weeer. I think it might just be something
going on, but still like we need to have our
guys like, there's a reason why we're not even respectable
this year. It's because none of our players are playing
(21:21):
to a level that brings us any respect. Rustin is there,
but his numbers aren't even that good, but they're getting
better than That's a situational thing, right, I'm making excuses
for him. I'm just being honest.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, he'll he'll be fine. But yeah, that's
We've talked a lot about the country club atmosphere that
seems to pervade this team, and I don't know if
that's entirely fair assessment from NOTESI looking in, but the
work ethic has been very poor. The conditioning has looked poor,
although we know in some cases it isn't. This team
is just completely discombobulated. And I don't think a five
to one win over a New York Rangers team to
(21:56):
look like they went out and got ship facing it
before isn't name to call hombo the Rangers were awful.
Let's make no, you know, so any illusions that that
lineup was responsible for that win. It's just that illusions.
And I'm gonna use that as a segue into our
X factor. We talk about one of those lineup decisions.
So if I may where Brad usually does this, I'm
(22:18):
happy to jump in. So bravo. Flames at tea pot
Underscore top tweeted, give hub a sniper, but who could
be that guy with a thinking emoji, and then proceeds
to post a hilarious photo of a bison, or rather
a jiff of a bison, obviously referencing Matthew Cornado. So
you know, Huberto's game has been much better of late.
(22:38):
I mean, I shouldn't say if lady just come back
from injury, but he looked comfortable. He's he's doing the
same net drive, you know, banging away pucks.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
He might be the best player, and he might be
the only player that's playing to his expectations.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and he was, and he's gay. He's great against
the Rangers and on a few players, and I thought,
actually really did look good. But I haven't committed to
memory what Ryan Husky said by the way great X
factors want to point that out. I picked that one
not to take credit, but just to say there was
a lot of it was a really good one, but
that one really stood out to me because we need to.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Talk a little bit about Coronado being a healthy scratch.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Too well and this this is the thing. So the
reason I like that X factor in particular is that
it was very, very pointed without getting to a lengthy
debate about how stupid that decision was. And that's what
I want to get into. So, yes, Huberto has been good.
He's playing the same way he played last year, where
he kind of changes game to be more of a
power forward. Oh, he still makes some great plays. He's
meant to play, though with a goal scorer, and whether
(23:38):
it's Uberto or anybody else in this team, we can
all agree. The debate is no longer there because he
could once say, you know, Sharon gov which was maybe
our best goal scorer when he scored thirty goals, blah
blah blah. The title now belongs to Matthew Cornado, Mathew
Cornatt alone, and it's not close. He's a pure, pure,
pure sniper, and if he was playing like trash and
the coach scratched him, then so be it. But when
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the coach says he's not playing bad, the hustles there,
the efforts there, And I didn't commit to memory what
the hell Husker said because I just thought it was
so stupid. I wasn't gonna dot. Yeah, a reset.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So this is like what sixty guys that need a reset?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, so like a reset? Like what like when I
used to have to reset my regular Nintendo because it
wouldn't work when I was a kid. You're saying the
guy's working, You're saying he's gonna you know, he's in,
you know, creating chances and playing his game. He needs
a reset for a team that can't score goals to
take him out. And I understand the irony of you know,
they put up a five spot of the Rangers, right,
I get that. So, but I'm concerned Husk is actually
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going to think that, well, we can score goals without him. No,
you got extremely lucky on a lot of those goals. Oh,
I know.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And he's a master of a it's a winning lineup.
It doesn't change.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh man. When when Eric Francis of all people is
like the voice of the people in Calgary because he
ridiculously thought it was there's no justificate. That is bad coaching.
That is bullshit bad coaching. So to.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
To go more on that, Lomberg is in the lineup
every single night and Braiden Bahol has not been anywhere seen. Yeah,
uncle Kurts, what did Braidon Bahol do?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I can answer that he made the team as one
of the best waiver backups we ever had and played
his ass off every night. That's what he did. That's
how logical Ryan Husk is.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But we trucked Jake Bean out there every night. And
I know he is a left wing I know, I
know their opposite sides. I don't know. It doesn't make
any sense to me. There's there's doesn't make any sense
to me.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It does lend some credence, and we know this isn't
the case, but it does lead some credence to the
theory that they are intentionally trying to tank because the
lineup choices really don't make any sense. But you know,
the the hall thing is thing they have a lot of,
you know, defensement one of my contracts, Like I kind
of get it. Other than the fact that nobody at
least of all Jake bean Is established them established themselves
as being deserving of you know, in the lineup every night.
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But you know all told, I just I can't get
over the decision to scratch Coronado. I don't get it.
I do not understand it. You cannot justify to me.
And I think with Husko's explanation, it was the but
perhaps a perfect example of a coach using bullshit, meaningless
rhetoric to justify a stupid decision. Is anybody who watches hockey,
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anybody who knows this team, who knows what this team
needs and knows what Coronado brings, cannot even if they
want to play devil's advocate, they cannot find an argument
where that makes any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And this is the guy we just gave it to
your extension to I'm getting the feeling that me and
you don't like Ryan Huskin's coaching a style more and
more every day because we both say, would you know,
like if some and said would you fire him right now?
It's say no, but I don't like what he's doing.
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But I don't. But I but I feel like it's panic,
Like I feel like it's panic. He said, we gotta
figure out a way to win. We gotta do this,
We gotta to figure out a way to win. I
don't know him personally, and he does not look like
a high strung guy. But I think back in his
office like he's freaking whacking out, trying to figure out
what the hell is going on here, and he's throwing darts.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Well it seems that way, but but I'm not even
if he's throwing darts, I think he actually believes in
the choices he's making. That's what That's what scares me.
And we've all said long before this abysmal season, we've
all said that he is a placeholding coach who will
not be here when this team turns the corner. He
won't be here when they, you know, play in that
new building, and based on his decisions, he shouldn't be
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And you know, again, armshair coaching easy for us to say.
Many others vecha the same sentiment. It's just the guy, clearly,
and it's evidence perhaps best by the fourth he contally
trots out he doesn't understand how to coach at the
NHL level in the modern NHL. That's my opinion.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, no, I'm with you, And you know what, worries
me a little bit more is the man upstairs might
not be doing anything any differently because this nosem Kadre thing.
The rumors are starting to circulate. It came out this
week that he's got his contract as went to a
modified thirteen team no trade list this year. Man. I
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said it last draft, like, it's time to capitalize. This
guy's aging and not and he's he's been fine and
he's a seven million dollar caphit. But we have him
for three more years. We need to if you to
talk to me after the year before. I don't remember
what year, the twenty three to twenty four season that
Codrey did not do well, we would have paid someone
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to take him. Now, last year he was very effective,
very effective. Yep, he was You know what, He's our
best player last year, right, Dustin Wolf, Yep. It's time
to maximize our return.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
I don't know that the return is going to make
the fans and Calgary happy, but we should be happy
no matter what we get because we've eliminated seven million dollars.
That's gonna not age well, right, Father time doesn't lose.
Elliott Friedman was very vocal this week the teams are interested.
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They are interested, but it's also been in the Calgary
media saying that Conroy is not making any moves right
now because it is not time to make moves. And
they also would never do anything before his one thousand,
one thousandth game, which is coming up when they get
back from this road trip. I don't care if it's
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nine hundred and ninety nine games. If the right call comes,
you take it. I'm sick of this organization, like we
always everybody in the league that was like, oh that
Vegas team, they're ruthless, they're freaking winners.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I've said it on the show a hundred times. I don't.
I'm not the Flames. I always feel like they're out
here to make buddies all the time. I always say, well,
nobody wants to come to Calgary. Who we've got to
be like super super nice. No, if Calgary's freaking winning,
every player wants to come to Calgary, especially with the
new arena.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Create a winning organization, create a winning culture. I don't.
I don't want to hear the word we have a
good culture anymore. Don't give a shit. I want a
winning culture.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, don't want Yeah, they're not the same thing at all. Yeah,
I mean the I don't The good news in that
front though, is barring injury. God forbid. I don't think
Cadre's value is gonna go down anytime soon. I don't know,
And the bids for him will likely intensify as the
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season goes on, as teams get more cognizant of their
needs going to the playoffs or into the spring stretch drive.
So I don't hate it, but I do hate the
notion as you're alluding to that you know they want
to hang on to him to make sure he plays
that game one thousandform.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Where they also say we need to make sure we're
not a playoff team. You don't need a mathematician to
figure it out right now.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
No, definitely not, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So we got guys like Rasman Sanderson who we know
is not resigning here, and if we as an organization
are even considering reoffering anything to him, we're out of
our minds this year too, We're out of our minds.
Sharon Govich is in my mind a if things don't
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change drastically this year, you can let that one play out, right,
because he's a potential buyout option. I don't know, man,
I don't I don't know. This team's decision making is
scared me. We took till last Monday before Mere modif
hit waivers. Yeah, we've got our recall. This week was
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the illustrious Dryden Hunt. I don't know what that does
when Gridden right now, through three games in the American
League has three goals to assist, five points and eleven shots.
I don't know, man, do we need all?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
People have been saying, and I agree with them though
that you know we don't need Hunt. No, let Grid
and Cook, but call up Sam Morton, give them a
couple of games.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But you know what I and I will defend this
one a little bit in the fact that I think
there was Hunt because they were going on the road.
They needed a guy, just a veteran to sit in
the press box in case something happened. There was no
intention to playing them. I get it. So I do
understand that I don't need Grid and sitting in the
press box. I get that one.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah. Still, I mean a lot of a lot of
questionable choices, uh, total lack of clear direction and seemingly
the erroneous belief that they could still salvage the season,
which we had flames that filtered are happy to tell you,
or rather unhappy to tell you, to put a look
at it. They're not salvaging the season.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
And you know what, me and you probably were the
poster child over the last two years of we are
not team tank.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I know that was really optimistic to manuck.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I'm still not I minor right on the money so far,
I'm not team tank. I am team reality here like
I am not going to finish four spots out of
the playoffs and get the seventeenth overall pick. I'm gonna
be pissed off.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
You already are pissed off.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Better be a top three pick with the way with
the talent we have and the way we're playing is
better be a top three. It better be a top three.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Sure, hope. So because.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I got to get your take on another controversial topic
that came up in Calgary this week. Supposedly well, in
the postgame presser after their seventh game, seventh straight loss,
Well they only score nine goals in those seven games.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
No more stats, No more stats.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Dustin Wolf said, I can't generate offense. How did you
take this? Because I didn't take it as any big
deal at all. I took it as reality. The truth hurts.
He wasn't saying his team was crappy. He was just
saying I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I thought it was fantastic. I thought it was absolutely fantastic.
I think he had every right to call his team
out and say, hey, I can't do this. This isn't
baseball where shootanic? Can you know have ten strikeouts and
three home runs? For God's sakes, Like I wish he'd
said something sooner. I was proud of him. Shit, you
know what, it shows he's a leader on this team.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I thought the same thing.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Well I should. I hope everybody else took it the
same way, and if they didn't, shame on them. To
God's honest truth.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I think a lot of people did take it the
wrong way. I think a lot of people thought he
was showing up his team. I'd love to be in
the locker room to find out what the players thought
of it. But I bet most of them were like,
he's right. I bet you. I bet you. Almost all
of them were like, yeah, he's can bang on.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
It's pretty easy to show up a team they can't
score any fucking goals, isn't it? So if he showed
them up, I don't think it's his fault.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
No, Like I don't know, like as has Wolf been
great this year? No, he's been pretty damn good. He
had one really bad outing and and quite a few
really good outings, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
There's me some kind of pressure on you mentally though,
if you have to go out there every night knowing
you have to basically pitch a shoutout and for your
team to have win.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Like. So, thus the conversation arises that are they playing
him too much? Because I believe they are.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
They if it continues, they will be I don't hate
it so far because I do think gets to play
a little bit of his own struggles, which he's already
started to. And you know my opinion anyway, but this
is not sustainable. This is make a Kippers off all
over again.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
The Flames going to four day road or road trip
here with three games and four nights, and I believe
it's three and four nights and some stupid day games
thrown in there too.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Games. God, you hate them.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I said that just to get you riled. They gotta
have COOLi I would have cooly play two of these
games like we Okay, do you look at it this
way to like I look at everybody as a life
expectancy of physical exertion and like.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
About sports. That sounds pretty dark, pretty nihilistically about sports.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I could relate it to my body. My left knee
cracks every time I go down the stairs. That tells
me I got so many more trips up and down
the stairs before it starts hurting like hell, and I
have to have any replacement. Okay, all right, I don't
want to wear Dustin Wolf out like I want to
see him sixty two games, sixty games. I don't want
more than that, Like there is this season. There's no
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reason we have to freaking run this poor guy ragged.
I want to watch a good Dustin Wolf all year,
not a tired Holy shit, I'm playing again tonight, Dustin Wolf.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I don't think he's choose the start, but I and I.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Know he wants to play. I get it. But like
at some point, like right, we need to build a
We need to figure out who a backup is for
the future, too, right, I mean I don't know we
needed We just need to just not be so rough
on him.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Well, Devin Cooley's one start was really good, so I
wouldn't hesitate gi him another again.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
So you should play in Toronto because last time Wolf
went to Toronto it was an ugly mess.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah. I was there. I remember very well.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
You were, weren't you?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yes, Yes, I was hanging out with Leanna McDonald and
Colin Patterson for a little bit. Yeah, that was one
of the Flames scouts. It was a great night other
than the fucking hockey game. I just want to talk
quickly about goaltending. So we're talking about it, you know,
with regards to Flames. I'm trying to figure out what
Stuart Skinner's doing in the net. A lot of the
time he has this habit and he had two goals
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again to the day where he dove it pucks almost
his head. It's like if someone's like, I don't know
how to I can't think of a good analogy, but like.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
So what whatever?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Who was?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
This is how bad I am? My memory is getting
who was the Oilers goalie that they sent a Baker's
field because he sucks so bad? Jack Campbell, Yeah, where
is he at these days?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Rehab?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Actually I don't know. I did I you know. I honestly,
I don't know. I'd heard that he was he liked
the Priortier's condition wasn't good or something like that, and
for everything for me to spread rumors, but he last
I knew. I think he was in Grand Rapids.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
But okay, in any case, it's Stuart Skinner and uh
Monkton boy Calvin Pickard, and I just I can't understand what.
I want to know what's going through Skinner's brain when
he dives at pucks? And I hope, I hope that
Rick West because West has listened to this, because he
and I we attended that game because like I said,
and Rick's a great guy and he's at a Leftbridge
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alberta diehard Olders fan. I this, I never really picked
his brain much at the Game of Boats Skinner. But
it's like I like, yeah, so do I. But I
just I can't what is this guy doing in Net?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Well? What did what was Mike Smith doing in net
A lot of the time? Didn't we all ask that
in Calgary?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
And you still ask that.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I know, like, I you know what, Oilers, you just
keep Skinner, He'll get better.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, Okay, if you're not watching, if you're watching on YouTube,
you could see Brad's coy smile just now. Oh god,
what a anyway, what a what a weird start of
the season.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Uh huh, Yeah, it's it's been really weird.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
And you know what, like it's tough, Like I'm doing
this Flame Senators game, I'm doing the Flames Habs in January.
I might even do the Flames Ruins in Boston, like
a whole bunch of East Coast games, and it'll be
great when I'm there. But like watching this team play,
it's really hard to get excited, which is why you
and I have to do our listeners a huge solid
this year and be funnier and more engaging than everyone.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Well we're gonna because we're gonna we'll go crazy if
we're not funny.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And the thing is, you know, really funny when I'm
when i'm being pessimistic. So I'm hoping this this works out.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And the thing is, though, like we know this team's
not great, but we're still Flames fans, and I I
still cheer for the Midnight and i still watch every
single game, but I'm more cheering for like progress, right,
cheering for how this is going to play out. Over
the next three to five years. Three years, jeez, hopefully
not five, right. I have a question before we go though,
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about So the Blue Jays are in the World Series.
Game three is about to uh first pitch here in
about ten minutes as we record on a on a
Monday night, which is the night we.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
On on Sports Equinox Day, one of only thirty two
times in history, all four major leagues are playing in
the same day NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA. Did not know that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I was sent to me, not to tomorrow's like frozen
face off or every NHL team plays.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, yes, I heard that earlier. All three to two
teams are playing. Like why like why on Tuesday?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Why can't we do that on a Saturday.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I don't know what we did early this year?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah we did. No, not this year, we didn't. Last
year we did well.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Thirty teams played for sure, it might have been all thirty. Yeah,
it doesn't matter. The one we care about, you know,
didn't play well on that day either, I'm sure so,
but what tomorrow in Toronto? So sorry? Going on with
the Blue Jays please, I.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Get everybody in Canada loves the Blue Jays because that's
your team for your cot.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Not everyone. Matt mciara is a Seattle fan because Lizabeth
coou Or she gotta watch out for those guys get
a very reugh night last week.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
But I think it's funny when Canadians reference baseball towards America,
because like in America, I would say, I almost and
I'm speaking to him, I would say, seventy five percent
of America is cheering for the Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
People, Oh yeah, I didn't know that for sure.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Seventy five plus percent is cheering for the Blue Jays.
You want to know why I do, because everybody in
America hates the Yankees and Dodgers because they spend money.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Like yeah, okay, I get it, they we don't.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Nobody likes that. Outside of those two markets, nobody likes that.
So there's nobody is cheering for the Dodgers. So Canada
would understand that, like you have seventy five percent of
us cheering for you, like we're excited.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Just sounds like the trade warst too, But I digress. Now.
Did you see Trey Is Savage and Choetani and somebody
posts a video of how much money they're earning for
the time they're standing there in that pitching sequence. Oh no,
I'm probably Otani's and like the tens of thousands of
the Savage is still like two hundred and fifty bucks,
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like and it's accurate, it's wild, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
And they're like when the Brewers play the Dodgers, the
Brewers their their payroll was like one hundred and twenty
two million, which is like three players on the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, I was hoping Milwaukee would have fared a lot
better in that series.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
People don't like that. People in America don't like that.
We want we're cheer for the underdogs.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
We don't like it. And that's that's why I in
the Kadian sports where a lot of people hate the
Leafs because I mean there's a salary cap, so it's different,
of course, but it's a big metropolitan area. They can
attract players.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
But if the if the Leafs play the Jets for
the Stanley Cup, a lot of Canada is cheering for
the Jets. Oh yeah, oh yeah, meaning pretty much outside
that Toronto area is cheering for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Right, No, no, no, no, you're there's a lot in
the Eastial cheer for the Leaves too. But there's a lot,
a lot, a lot, a lot of people to cheer
for the Jets, which reminds me, have you watched Who
Killed the Montreal Expos Netflix show?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I saw? I had it, Okay, I hate turned on
Netflix the other night to watch it. Yeah, and I'm like,
I don't have an hour and a half now and
I don't want to like start it.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
And yeah, so I will be watching it. Yeah, let
me you think I quite enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I will be watching it because I I I was
a big baseball baseball guy in the eighties and I
was I was a big Tim Rains fan when he
was in Montreal, and so like, yeah, like I'm watching it.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Beautiful, that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I don't like that they change the game time for
the Flames tomorrow night. I get it. Don't like it,
get it.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I didn't look at it you, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
They moved it like like at five o'clock, my time.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Seven o'clock, my time. Beautiful, perfect for you. Perfect.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Think of that all the time now. I'm like, there's
you know how many nights this year I've been like, oh,
it's late for Kyle, Oh it's late.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Oh Man, I know sometimes that they can just need
to move out west to make my life so much
easier yet also so much more complicated. Yeah, that's the
story for another day.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah, so this week for the Flames Tuesday, like I
just mentioned, we're in Toronto Thursday, you'll be there. They're
in Ottawa Saturday, a lovely afternoon game in Nashville, and
then an early start Sunday, late afternoon in Philly. That's
jam packed Thursday, Saturday Sunday travel from Ottawa and Nashville Philly.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
It's gonna be a tough go It's gonna be a
tough goal, just like me playing my first game of
Hawks to night in almost three weeks.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Gotta be a tough goal. Yep, Tomorrow morning might be
a tougher goal.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
You know me so well, that's gonna suck. Gonna suck,
So get on over.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
We got our contest. I'm drawing a winner on the
thirty first. I've got a few, quite a few entries
in their way. We gotta do it. Thirty first Halloween night.
I'm drawing the winner gift card to the settled Home
or the uh yeah, it's a saddled home. The Calgary
Team Store So that's all I got. Who knows what
next week will bring.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I don't know the same optimism we brought you in
this week show.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
I'm sorry I was so negative.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
You were Why you apologize?
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Man?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I was everybody as bad, if not worse.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Could you imagine, you know, Toronto is struggling and Calgary struggles.
You imagine even how much more publicity would be getting
if the Jays weren't in the World Series. Because you
turn on sports and now you can't even find hockey.
It's all baseball stuff. It's so crazy, it's so crazy,
it's utterly ridiculous. And like I can't imagine what the
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heat on Toronto made police and the Flames would be had,
and even the Oilers really and even the Oilers if
there was no baseball going right.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Now, I can only wonder, all right, and another week
we will.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Know, Yeah, we'll know for sure. This Saturday would be Saturday.
So we are back next Tuesday. We'll re toward Mondays
drop Tuesdays ill and I have more Flames talk. We're
gonna be here every week, good or bad. Hella eye water, We're.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Here and I will be tweeting from the entire center persons.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Have a great drip cop and we will follow.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Take care, guys.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
HEYFLCE fans, welcome to another edition of Flames. I'm filtered.
We are your house kind of listener. Brad weize always Brad,
what's going on? I know?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
No, we won. I don't know if that's good. I
might have is it sad like after we win? I
don't even know if I should be happy anymore. I
just don't even know how to feel. I do have
something funny though, for you. Last week's episode was, yeah,
a little.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Wild, right from what I recall.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yes, I got a listener quote describing last week's episod,
so it as I could have roasted hot dogs over
that podcast. I thought that was that was pretty good.
So now will this week's be as fiery as last week's?
(01:15):
I don't know, Maybe not, but probably barely close. I
don't know. I think the I think reality has hit.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, yeah, reality has hit, and we're all happy because
we pounded a New York Rangers team that played the
worst game of professional hockey they've played in five years.
Oh man, they were dog shit, And you know, I mean,
it's gotta break a scoring dart any way you can,
but holy hell, the Rangers are bad. I don't think
we deserve much credit for that win.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
No, no, no, no, what'd you think the other night
when the Saddlene lights wouldn't come on?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I thought, if anybody wonders what we need new building,
there's your answer. Actually, know, when I was in Ottawa
that came up too. I was, you know, I was
there for Canadian home builder meetings, and I was hanging
out with people from across the country, and uh, I
hate to tell you this, but I became very close
to a handful of Canucks fans.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I know you mentioned that, and I don't know how
I feel about that. Actually, you know what's funny is
I'm actually friends with some Canucks fans.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And well you told me this.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, And because I am, they have made me hate
the team even more because delusional behavior, whether it be
on social media or communicating to me.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, yeah, like, and I got ripped on all week,
whether it was at a podium or at a breakfast
table about being a Flames fan. And then the fact
I had a podcast, which you know, thankfully everybody uh
you know, wanted to wanted to follow it, and maybe
because they knew that their Canucks fandom would would get
me going. But yeah, Alex Matt and Cassidy, like the
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three people that I really really hit it off on
request to Ricaus Oilers fan unfortunately, who I attended the
Oiler Senators game with last week. But I kind of
you know, living in the East, I kind of forgot
how fun it is to be in the midst of
like people who hate your team and love the team
that you hate.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
You know, you know, as I say that how much
I hate Canucks, I don't really hate their fans. I
hate the way they behave, Right, there's a difference.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That is a difference because it's trying to interpt you,
but I hate Leafs fans. We've talked about this.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, where I live, I run into less Leafs fans
obviously than you're gonna run into. I run into more
Oilers fans than anything. And I just I think that's
what makes sports beautiful is to have that hatred.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, we have so much hatred in this world and
I'm trying to avoid it at all costs, but like.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
To dump it into your sports teams, right, well, this
is just different.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
There's a different I look at it this way, like
without rivalries, like sports, like, would would it be fun
I mean, I always look at games like against Nashville.
It's like I got to watch them play Nashville tonight,
or oh I get to watch them play Carolina tonight,
or New Jersey boring mmm fair. But if it's like
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I mean, even last night, I watched the Miserable Rangers
Flames game and I look at the other channel and
I'm like, oh, Canuck's oilers, I'm gonna watch it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah, I get that, Yeah, I get that for sure.
It's it's interesting to me because like we're all again,
like we're all such big fans of respective teams that
at least gives you something to bond over. I mean,
I was being made fun of being in plain stand
moments into my first meeting with these people, because then
I kind of realized it's a bigger part of my
identity than I think even even I realized. But I
(04:45):
think that I had to admit. I had to admit
I you know, I think admitted to a cassid in
particular that actually like the Canuck skate logo.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I love that, I know, and the more that they
were and I'm like, oh, I'd like to like this team,
but I just can't you know.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I've had a swallow that in my top five most
exciting players, actually my top three most exciting players to watch.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Is I talked about Burra.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He might be my top two.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Okay, this is getting weird. I'm gonna tell you why.
So I talked about burre uh and how a buddy
of mine has and then somehow think I mentioned that
one of my new friends are Cast has got family
in mine, not North Dakota, and I was like, I
don't know, you don't that's insane.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
When you called me last night and and said that.
I was like, there's a lot of like weird, ironic.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Stuff going on here, strange feelings, right, lightly eerie. Yeah, yeah,
that's bad. I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I don't know we ever know anything in life. I
do know that our Flames team is not very good.
How do you like that segue?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I think it was necessary, a little odd, but necessary.
So who let's dive into that, shall we.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I'm ready to talk about whatever. My list is long
to night, Kyle, like surprisingly because like since we last talked,
which is only a week ago, because we do this
show every week. Because if you're new to the show,
we've had a Winnipeg Jets lost two to one to
the Jets, we lost two to one to the Canadians,
we lost five to three to the Jets, and then
(06:23):
we beat a miserable Rangers team five to one. And honestly,
I don't they have a hell of a lot to
say about any.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Of those games. Wait, well, that's and I watched like
parts of all these games at various bars while I
was in Ottawa a little bit on my phone. Now,
I was far more preoccupied with with the Jays when
they were playing Game seven against Seattle. But yeah, every
one of them was like super low event, which is
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a phrase we've heard a lot.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I watched all of them, and that's how boring my
life is. I watched all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know, I don't know if I can match your
fire on this particular episode, Like no, I contributed an
intro and a couple of personal anecdotes, and that's pretty
well it. And yeah, that is awfully boring though, And
because it's so boring, and because we care about our
listeners and our viewership, you know, we don't want to
dive into these games because you're probably gonna stop listening.
(07:19):
Because they were all that boring.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
One thing we do need to do is put this
in perspective to our to our listeners. We are ten
games in, We're two seven and one, the worst start
in Flames franchise history. We're dead last in the National
Hockey League. We're minus fourteen goal differential, we're thirty second,
and goals per game we're twenty six and goals allowed
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per game, power plays twelve point two, twenty ninth, and
our penalty kill is seventy five percent nineteen. Some brutal numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
The penalty kills. The only one that wasn't like extremely offensive,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
No, but that's still bad in bottom tier.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
And it's abysmal. It is abysmal.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And one thing I want to clear up. I think
this will be like the what's the world I'm looking
for the main part of the show.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
The crutch of the show is That's right, that's the word.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
I was thinking of.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's what I'm hearing for.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Couldn't come to it as quick as you. This is
not a tank, you guys. When you're trying to win
and you still can't win, that is not tanking. That's
just reality of a bad hockey team.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Now that said, the counterpoint to that could be that
your head coach scratches your best goal scorer, and you
tell me you're still not trying to tank? Are you sure?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
No, I'm gonna. I would put my hand on the Bible.
There is no way Ryan Husk is trying this. His
lineups are so jacked up every night. That's just what
it is. That's the way he does it. He's a
dart thrower. He's a Jeff Ward. He is a dart thrower.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Somebody else at that the other day too.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Blows my mind. He comes out on the Postgamer the
other night and says, I really like our five on
five play, and the next day's depth chart completely different. Yeah,
if you like your five on five play, your depth
chart should be fine, right.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, you would think, yeah, I I really I don't
know what else I mean. I said a lot about
him on the last show, not just about him, but
in general. I think it's a really, really, really poor
idea to gift a coach a contract extension when any
semblance of team's success is due entirely to one player,
As we talked about extensively last season, me dust of Wolf.
(09:47):
So but now the all of the issues with his
system or lock thereof, and his coaching philosophy seemed to
being exposed. In my opinion, at least, then I know
others share that opinion.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I would agree. Now I will, in defense of him,
say that it's hard to coach teams that lack talent.
I'm not saying with any talent. I'm saying high end talent.
So yeah, he's in a rock and a hard place.
But I just I don't know. I am completely and
I've been against it with other other coaches we've had.
(10:21):
I'm completely against the constant, constant juggling of allions. How
in the world would anybody ever develop any resemblance of
feeling comfortable with another player if you only play them
one game that way, like you're losing anyways.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I think you are more fired up than I am
this week.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
It irritates me every night, like I do the depth
chart to place on the socials every night for a podcast,
and every night I gotta shuffle shit all over the place.
Move this guy, he, move this guy here, Come on
like it's not helping.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
No, it's not. It never does. And yeah, again we
bring up the Jeff Ward thing, which I think we
pick on him a lot because of how erradicus coaching
style was and the fact that he would just literally
throw the lines in the blender, as you've repeatedly pointed out,
And this is the most we've seen of that sense.
And it's equally as bad in my estimation.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Might Yeah, it's equal. It's equal. They equally suck because
they it equally doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know, it's really really hard
to get your head around, especially when you're trying to
find some consistency and you walk guys to break out
of a funk.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
And I know, I know people will say, well, Brad,
like running the same line out there is in the
definition of insanity. Yeah, I mean to a point, but like,
how do you ever develop continuity? Like like you just
can't take a line, put it out there and be
like magically it's beautiful. Yeah, you have to work together
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for a period of time, not sixty minutes, twenty minutes
they get on the ice eighteen minutes some nights. I
don't know. You just can't. You can't operate that way.
I mean, this offense is just it's bad. I saw
an X. This isn't a not r X factor, but
I saw when it's from rand up. John Day says,
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the Calgary Flames have motivated me to look up. The
least scoring least number of goals scored in an eighty
two game season was one hundred and fifty by the
Buffalo Sabers in twenty thirteen to fourteen. The Flames after
fifty one hundred and fifty goals. That was a twenty
thirteen to twenty fourteen The Flames after eight games. This
is when I saw this. After eight games were on
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pace for one hundred and twenty two. Let that sink
in one hundred and twenty two goals the whole year,
the whole team.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
That's an average of one and a half goals per.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Game after eight games. That's the pace we are on now.
It has went up slightly in the last two games,
but not by much.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, I mean, everybody knows that this note. These numbers
weren't sustainable. Of course, it just doesn't make sense. Just
by virtue of participating in the sport at professional level,
you're going to score more goals, and that's exactly what
happened against the Rangers because a lot of those goals
were pure gifts.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Well you know, I think I believe like puck luck
finds you and it doesn't find you, sure, and it
found us in the Edmonton game, because let's be honest,
I mean, we had shots bouncing off skates and going
in all over the place. We had goalies doing things
that goalies shouldn't do.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah Skinner, Yeah, I want to talk about him for
a minute, but let go and finish up and I'll
jump in.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
And last night, I mean we we scored some really
nice goals last night, really nice goals. But we also
had the puck bouncing to us in a more favorable
way to lead to those goals.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Right. The ball shot was a great shot. I probably
should have been stopped. The scher go which one was
a weird one back when coleman were gifted, you know,
a great short headed chance. Kadre's was actually pretty nice
and which one am I forgetting a lot of Coleman's
like this was too bad either. But anyway, there was
a lot of puck luck. As you'd said, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I'm not saying they weren't some nice goals because they
really there really was some nice goals. Codrey made a
hell of his zone entry, got it the ball that's
a great goal. I mean, we had we had some
really positive things I saw last night, So I'm not
and you know what, this is what bothered me. I
need counselor counseling. Okay, I followed myself last night not
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cheering when they were scoring, and.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Wow, you know what, I can relate to that though.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And and I'm not sure why, because I even thought
to myself, well, why why am I not excited right now?
And it's because the reality hit hit me, and it
hit me really hard after reading Howard Munich's tweet a
couple of weeks ago or a week and a half ago,
when he said, we have to play at this pace
to make the playoffs and that's not possible. So I've
(14:57):
already like accepted the fact we're not making the playoffs. Well,
I surely if we're not gonna make the playoffs, I
surely want to make sure that we get a good
draft pick. So now I'm not cheering for this team
to lose, but I'm surely not cheering for him to
go on a ten game win streak right now, because
mathematically I don't think we still could even make it then.
(15:20):
And that pains me to say that, but I also
look and I did something and we'll probably talk about
this on future episodes, but I kind of charted out,
like if everything goes our way, like what would our
roster look like next year and the year after and
the year after. And we need to draft very high this.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Year absolutely because every game that we you know, we
trot out this roster in some version of it. It's
very evident again as we give them on how that
high end skill, especially amongst the forwards is ranking. Pre's
gonna be fine, We're gonna turn his game around. Dust
a Wolf is dust a Wolf. He was excellent against
the Rangers.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
But you will have a tough year this year.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Not yeah, that's why, Yeah, precisely. So I don't know,
We'll see how it all shakes out. But I get
what you're saying because like, I still like, I want
to get excited, but I still like glance up like
when they'd score them, like oh sweet, you know things
like that, like instinctually, But but yeah, it's just not
the same.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I mean, I love the Flames, and I I can't
wait for a time when we're talking about ten game
win streaks and Cup contenders and I pray that that
happens sooner than later. But I am also a very
realistic person, and I'm not seeing this talent. The talent
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that we have combined right now is not capable of
taking us to a very high level. I don't think
it's capable of taking us to the playoffs, much less
through the first round. So that beings said, I need
to see progress, and that problem starts with drafting, and
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it also can segue us into the next situation getting
better production from guys like Coronado, Sharon Govich, Frost, Farrabee.
The list goes on and on. Connor's aery. I'm losing
faith in big time.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Had a good game last night, though, and.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
We need to maximize return now now on Anderson and
more importantly, the guy we should have maximized it at
the draft last year, na Azem Kadri.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, you canna have Blake Coleman to that list as well.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yep, although I voiced it last week too, if we
kept play Coleman, I'm not gonna be upset.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
No, there's no Yeah. I understand that he's a good
mentor to have around. He's still a very effective player,
but yeah, I mean this team is always you know,
refused to commit to the path that they should. I
for a lot of better ways saying it. I guess
so at some point they're gonna have to accept their
fate and sell off these pieces. But I mean any
that they can go to this hole and paraying that
to a playoff spot is delusional. At this point. I'd
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love to eat those words, because it'd be a lot
of fun to be ahell of a story. But you
can't dig a hold of deep and I think, you know,
going forward, it is like I'm going to have the
game Thursday against the Senators. It's gonna be a little
bit difficult to be invested in the Flames win. Not
because I don't love to see my team win, especially
in the context of experience at the arena. It's still enjoyable,
you know. I hope that's the case, because nobody likes
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to be, you know, present for a loss. But it's
a different vibe. There's no hope for this season like
there is in so many others.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
You know what you want to see, Kyle, You want
to see Wolf play really well. You want to see
Coronado get a goal. You want to see Connor Zari
get a goal. You want to see some of these
guys that are struggling m start to promise. Because Connor's
area's start is awful. One point. I think he's got
one point. Still, let me look it up. I mean
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he was better last night. He's got two points. Now
through ten games, he's minus five. Matthew Coronatto, who will
talk about him in a minute, he's actually got three
points in nine games, but he's minus nine. Subject subjective
stat but still relevant.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
I just I sit and I look. I don't know.
Here's here's another stat that I phound.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Oh no, I don't want to hear this toay.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
No connter ZERI he has one speedburst twenty to twenty
two miles.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Per oh I saw that leave a man.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
And the league averages eight point four. He looks very slow, well,
very slow.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You say eight point four versus one that's sinking. That's abysmal.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You want to know another one? And I haven't looked
up his yet.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
But I didn't want to know that one. But go on, well, I.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Don't have another stat for this one, but I'm gonna
probably look it up for next show. And I need
your opinion. You need to talking me off the ledge
on this one. What's going on with McKinzie wiger. He
looked like he went to the buffet last night, ate
a ship ton of pizza and couldn't move the rest.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Of the night. He texted me that about he looked
fat and slow. I laughed aloud.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
He looked like a leaguer last night. Yeah, he's minus
on the ear, he's minus ten.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, he's been awful. Why And I think I think,
I don't know, but I think he sunk his chances
of making Team Canada. And I hate to say that.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, he looks like he's out of shape. And I
hate saying that because who am I to I mean,
who the hell look at my body? Like, who the
hell am I to call somebody out of shape? But
holy cow, like last night he looked very, very slow,
And I don't think it's just me. That was like, jeez,
what the hell was he doing on that play? And
it's not just that play, It's been multiple ones.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm worried hard to believe. You know, twenty goals in
fifty two points aight or two ago, he's.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Got zero this year. And I'm not saying that. I'm like,
I'm less worried about McKenzie Wiger. Don't get me wrong,
then I am Connor's area. I'm I'm way less worried
about McKenzie Weeer. I think it might just be something
going on, but still like we need to have our
guys like, there's a reason why we're not even respectable
this year. It's because none of our players are playing
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to a level that brings us any respect. Rustin is there,
but his numbers aren't even that good, but they're getting
better than That's a situational thing, right, I'm making excuses
for him. I'm just being honest.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, he'll he'll be fine. But yeah, that's
We've talked a lot about the country club atmosphere that
seems to pervade this team, and I don't know if
that's entirely fair assessment from NOTESI looking in, but the
work ethic has been very poor. The conditioning has looked poor,
although we know in some cases it isn't. This team
is just completely discombobulated. And I don't think a five
to one win over a New York Rangers team to
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look like they went out and got ship facing it
before isn't name to call hombo the Rangers were awful.
Let's make no, you know, so any illusions that that
lineup was responsible for that win. It's just that illusions.
And I'm gonna use that as a segue into our
X factor. We talk about one of those lineup decisions.
So if I may where Brad usually does this, I'm
(22:18):
happy to jump in. So bravo. Flames at tea pot
Underscore top tweeted, give hub a sniper, but who could
be that guy with a thinking emoji, and then proceeds
to post a hilarious photo of a bison, or rather
a jiff of a bison, obviously referencing Matthew Cornado. So
you know, Huberto's game has been much better of late.
(22:38):
I mean, I shouldn't say if lady just come back
from injury, but he looked comfortable. He's he's doing the
same net drive, you know, banging away pucks.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
He might be the best player, and he might be
the only player that's playing to his expectations.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Yeah, and he was, and he's gay. He's great against
the Rangers and on a few players, and I thought,
actually really did look good. But I haven't committed to
memory what Ryan Husky said by the way great X
factors want to point that out. I picked that one
not to take credit, but just to say there was
a lot of it was a really good one, but
that one really stood out to me because we need to.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Talk a little bit about Coronado being a healthy scratch.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Too well and this this is the thing. So the
reason I like that X factor in particular is that
it was very, very pointed without getting to a lengthy
debate about how stupid that decision was. And that's what
I want to get into. So, yes, Huberto has been good.
He's playing the same way he played last year, where
he kind of changes game to be more of a
power forward. Oh, he still makes some great plays. He's
meant to play, though with a goal scorer, and whether
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it's Uberto or anybody else in this team, we can
all agree. The debate is no longer there because he
could once say, you know, Sharon gov which was maybe
our best goal scorer when he scored thirty goals, blah
blah blah. The title now belongs to Matthew Cornado, Mathew
Cornatt alone, and it's not close. He's a pure, pure,
pure sniper, and if he was playing like trash and
the coach scratched him, then so be it. But when
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the coach says he's not playing bad, the hustles there,
the efforts there, And I didn't commit to memory what
the hell Husker said because I just thought it was
so stupid. I wasn't gonna dot. Yeah, a reset.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
So this is like what sixty guys that need a reset?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, so like a reset? Like what like when I
used to have to reset my regular Nintendo because it
wouldn't work when I was a kid. You're saying the
guy's working, You're saying he's gonna you know, he's in,
you know, creating chances and playing his game. He needs
a reset for a team that can't score goals to
take him out. And I understand the irony of you know,
they put up a five spot of the Rangers, right,
I get that. So, but I'm concerned Husk is actually
(24:39):
going to think that, well, we can score goals without him. No,
you got extremely lucky on a lot of those goals. Oh,
I know.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And he's a master of a it's a winning lineup.
It doesn't change.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Oh man. When when Eric Francis of all people is
like the voice of the people in Calgary because he
ridiculously thought it was there's no justificate. That is bad coaching.
That is bullshit bad coaching. So to.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
To go more on that, Lomberg is in the lineup
every single night and Braiden Bahol has not been anywhere seen. Yeah,
uncle Kurts, what did Braidon Bahol do?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I can answer that he made the team as one
of the best waiver backups we ever had and played
his ass off every night. That's what he did. That's
how logical Ryan Husk is.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But we trucked Jake Bean out there every night. And
I know he is a left wing I know, I
know their opposite sides. I don't know. It doesn't make
any sense to me. There's there's doesn't make any sense
to me.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
It does lend some credence, and we know this isn't
the case, but it does lead some credence to the
theory that they are intentionally trying to tank because the
lineup choices really don't make any sense. But you know,
the the hall thing is thing they have a lot of,
you know, defensement one of my contracts, Like I kind
of get it. Other than the fact that nobody at
least of all Jake bean Is established them established themselves
as being deserving of you know, in the lineup every night.
(26:11):
But you know all told, I just I can't get
over the decision to scratch Coronado. I don't get it.
I do not understand it. You cannot justify to me.
And I think with Husko's explanation, it was the but
perhaps a perfect example of a coach using bullshit, meaningless
rhetoric to justify a stupid decision. Is anybody who watches hockey,
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anybody who knows this team, who knows what this team
needs and knows what Coronado brings, cannot even if they
want to play devil's advocate, they cannot find an argument
where that makes any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And this is the guy we just gave it to
your extension to I'm getting the feeling that me and
you don't like Ryan Huskin's coaching a style more and
more every day because we both say, would you know,
like if some and said would you fire him right now?
It's say no, but I don't like what he's doing.
(27:07):
But I don't. But I but I feel like it's panic,
Like I feel like it's panic. He said, we gotta
figure out a way to win. We gotta do this,
We gotta to figure out a way to win. I
don't know him personally, and he does not look like
a high strung guy. But I think back in his
office like he's freaking whacking out, trying to figure out
what the hell is going on here, and he's throwing darts.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Well it seems that way, but but I'm not even
if he's throwing darts, I think he actually believes in
the choices he's making. That's what That's what scares me.
And we've all said long before this abysmal season, we've
all said that he is a placeholding coach who will
not be here when this team turns the corner. He
won't be here when they, you know, play in that
new building, and based on his decisions, he shouldn't be
(27:50):
And you know, again, armshair coaching easy for us to say.
Many others vecha the same sentiment. It's just the guy, clearly,
and it's evidence perhaps best by the fourth he contally
trots out he doesn't understand how to coach at the
NHL level in the modern NHL. That's my opinion.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, no, I'm with you, And you know what, worries
me a little bit more is the man upstairs might
not be doing anything any differently because this nosem Kadre thing.
The rumors are starting to circulate. It came out this
week that he's got his contract as went to a
modified thirteen team no trade list this year. Man. I
(28:29):
said it last draft, like, it's time to capitalize. This
guy's aging and not and he's he's been fine and
he's a seven million dollar caphit. But we have him
for three more years. We need to if you to
talk to me after the year before. I don't remember
what year, the twenty three to twenty four season that
Codrey did not do well, we would have paid someone
(28:52):
to take him. Now, last year he was very effective,
very effective. Yep, he was You know what, He's our
best player last year, right, Dustin Wolf, Yep. It's time
to maximize our return.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
I don't know that the return is going to make
the fans and Calgary happy, but we should be happy
no matter what we get because we've eliminated seven million dollars.
That's gonna not age well, right, Father time doesn't lose.
Elliott Friedman was very vocal this week the teams are interested.
(29:26):
They are interested, but it's also been in the Calgary
media saying that Conroy is not making any moves right
now because it is not time to make moves. And
they also would never do anything before his one thousand,
one thousandth game, which is coming up when they get
back from this road trip. I don't care if it's
(29:47):
nine hundred and ninety nine games. If the right call comes,
you take it. I'm sick of this organization, like we
always everybody in the league that was like, oh that
Vegas team, they're ruthless, they're freaking winners.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I've said it on the show a hundred times. I don't.
I'm not the Flames. I always feel like they're out
here to make buddies all the time. I always say, well,
nobody wants to come to Calgary. Who we've got to
be like super super nice. No, if Calgary's freaking winning,
every player wants to come to Calgary, especially with the
new arena.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Create a winning organization, create a winning culture. I don't.
I don't want to hear the word we have a
good culture anymore. Don't give a shit. I want a
winning culture.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, don't want Yeah, they're not the same thing at all. Yeah,
I mean the I don't The good news in that
front though, is barring injury. God forbid. I don't think
Cadre's value is gonna go down anytime soon. I don't know,
And the bids for him will likely intensify as the
(30:51):
season goes on, as teams get more cognizant of their
needs going to the playoffs or into the spring stretch drive.
So I don't hate it, but I do hate the
notion as you're alluding to that you know they want
to hang on to him to make sure he plays
that game one thousandform.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Where they also say we need to make sure we're
not a playoff team. You don't need a mathematician to
figure it out right now.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
No, definitely not, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
So we got guys like Rasman Sanderson who we know
is not resigning here, and if we as an organization
are even considering reoffering anything to him, we're out of
our minds this year too, We're out of our minds.
Sharon Govich is in my mind a if things don't
(31:39):
change drastically this year, you can let that one play out, right,
because he's a potential buyout option. I don't know, man,
I don't I don't know. This team's decision making is
scared me. We took till last Monday before Mere modif
hit waivers. Yeah, we've got our recall. This week was
(32:01):
the illustrious Dryden Hunt. I don't know what that does
when Gridden right now, through three games in the American
League has three goals to assist, five points and eleven shots.
I don't know, man, do we need all?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
People have been saying, and I agree with them though
that you know we don't need Hunt. No, let Grid
and Cook, but call up Sam Morton, give them a
couple of games.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
But you know what I and I will defend this
one a little bit in the fact that I think
there was Hunt because they were going on the road.
They needed a guy, just a veteran to sit in
the press box in case something happened. There was no
intention to playing them. I get it. So I do
understand that I don't need Grid and sitting in the
press box. I get that one.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah. Still, I mean a lot of a lot of
questionable choices, uh, total lack of clear direction and seemingly
the erroneous belief that they could still salvage the season,
which we had flames that filtered are happy to tell you,
or rather unhappy to tell you, to put a look
at it. They're not salvaging the season.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
And you know what, me and you probably were the
poster child over the last two years of we are
not team tank.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I know that was really optimistic to manuck.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I'm still not I minor right on the money so far,
I'm not team tank. I am team reality here like
I am not going to finish four spots out of
the playoffs and get the seventeenth overall pick. I'm gonna
be pissed off.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
You already are pissed off.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Better be a top three pick with the way with
the talent we have and the way we're playing is
better be a top three. It better be a top three.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Sure, hope. So because.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I got to get your take on another controversial topic
that came up in Calgary this week. Supposedly well, in
the postgame presser after their seventh game, seventh straight loss,
Well they only score nine goals in those seven games.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
No more stats, No more stats.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Dustin Wolf said, I can't generate offense. How did you
take this? Because I didn't take it as any big
deal at all. I took it as reality. The truth hurts.
He wasn't saying his team was crappy. He was just
saying I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
I thought it was fantastic. I thought it was absolutely fantastic.
I think he had every right to call his team
out and say, hey, I can't do this. This isn't
baseball where shootanic? Can you know have ten strikeouts and
three home runs? For God's sakes, Like I wish he'd
said something sooner. I was proud of him. Shit, you
know what, it shows he's a leader on this team.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I thought the same thing.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Well I should. I hope everybody else took it the
same way, and if they didn't, shame on them. To
God's honest truth.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I think a lot of people did take it the
wrong way. I think a lot of people thought he
was showing up his team. I'd love to be in
the locker room to find out what the players thought
of it. But I bet most of them were like,
he's right. I bet you. I bet you. Almost all
of them were like, yeah, he's can bang on.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
It's pretty easy to show up a team they can't
score any fucking goals, isn't it? So if he showed
them up, I don't think it's his fault.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
No, Like I don't know, like as has Wolf been
great this year? No, he's been pretty damn good. He
had one really bad outing and and quite a few
really good outings, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
There's me some kind of pressure on you mentally though,
if you have to go out there every night knowing
you have to basically pitch a shoutout and for your
team to have win.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Like. So, thus the conversation arises that are they playing
him too much? Because I believe they are.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
They if it continues, they will be I don't hate
it so far because I do think gets to play
a little bit of his own struggles, which he's already
started to. And you know my opinion anyway, but this
is not sustainable. This is make a Kippers off all
over again.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
The Flames going to four day road or road trip
here with three games and four nights, and I believe
it's three and four nights and some stupid day games
thrown in there too.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Games. God, you hate them.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
I said that just to get you riled. They gotta
have COOLi I would have cooly play two of these
games like we Okay, do you look at it this
way to like I look at everybody as a life
expectancy of physical exertion and like.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
About sports. That sounds pretty dark, pretty nihilistically about sports.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I could relate it to my body. My left knee
cracks every time I go down the stairs. That tells
me I got so many more trips up and down
the stairs before it starts hurting like hell, and I
have to have any replacement. Okay, all right, I don't
want to wear Dustin Wolf out like I want to
see him sixty two games, sixty games. I don't want
more than that, Like there is this season. There's no
(36:52):
reason we have to freaking run this poor guy ragged.
I want to watch a good Dustin Wolf all year,
not a tired Holy shit, I'm playing again tonight, Dustin Wolf.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I don't think he's choose the start, but I and I.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Know he wants to play. I get it. But like
at some point, like right, we need to build a
We need to figure out who a backup is for
the future, too, right, I mean I don't know we
needed We just need to just not be so rough
on him.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Well, Devin Cooley's one start was really good, so I
wouldn't hesitate gi him another again.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
So you should play in Toronto because last time Wolf
went to Toronto it was an ugly mess.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah. I was there. I remember very well.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
You were, weren't you?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yes, Yes, I was hanging out with Leanna McDonald and
Colin Patterson for a little bit. Yeah, that was one
of the Flames scouts. It was a great night other
than the fucking hockey game. I just want to talk
quickly about goaltending. So we're talking about it, you know,
with regards to Flames. I'm trying to figure out what
Stuart Skinner's doing in the net. A lot of the
time he has this habit and he had two goals
(37:56):
again to the day where he dove it pucks almost
his head. It's like if someone's like, I don't know
how to I can't think of a good analogy, but like.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
So what whatever?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Who was?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
This is how bad I am? My memory is getting
who was the Oilers goalie that they sent a Baker's
field because he sucks so bad? Jack Campbell, Yeah, where
is he at these days?
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Rehab?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Actually I don't know. I did I you know. I honestly,
I don't know. I'd heard that he was he liked
the Priortier's condition wasn't good or something like that, and
for everything for me to spread rumors, but he last
I knew. I think he was in Grand Rapids.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
But okay, in any case, it's Stuart Skinner and uh
Monkton boy Calvin Pickard, and I just I can't understand what.
I want to know what's going through Skinner's brain when
he dives at pucks? And I hope, I hope that
Rick West because West has listened to this, because he
and I we attended that game because like I said,
and Rick's a great guy and he's at a Leftbridge
(38:57):
alberta diehard Olders fan. I this, I never really picked
his brain much at the Game of Boats Skinner. But
it's like I like, yeah, so do I. But I
just I can't what is this guy doing in Net?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Well? What did what was Mike Smith doing in net
A lot of the time? Didn't we all ask that
in Calgary?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
And you still ask that.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
I know, like, I you know what, Oilers, you just
keep Skinner, He'll get better.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, Okay, if you're not watching, if you're watching on YouTube,
you could see Brad's coy smile just now. Oh god,
what a anyway, what a what a weird start of
the season.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Uh huh, Yeah, it's it's been really weird.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
And you know what, like it's tough, Like I'm doing
this Flame Senators game, I'm doing the Flames Habs in January.
I might even do the Flames Ruins in Boston, like
a whole bunch of East Coast games, and it'll be
great when I'm there. But like watching this team play,
it's really hard to get excited, which is why you
and I have to do our listeners a huge solid
this year and be funnier and more engaging than everyone.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Well we're gonna because we're gonna we'll go crazy if
we're not funny.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And the thing is, you know, really funny when I'm
when i'm being pessimistic. So I'm hoping this this works out.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And the thing is, though, like we know this team's
not great, but we're still Flames fans, and I I
still cheer for the Midnight and i still watch every
single game, but I'm more cheering for like progress, right,
cheering for how this is going to play out. Over
the next three to five years. Three years, jeez, hopefully
not five, right. I have a question before we go though,
(40:32):
about So the Blue Jays are in the World Series.
Game three is about to uh first pitch here in
about ten minutes as we record on a on a
Monday night, which is the night we.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
On on Sports Equinox Day, one of only thirty two
times in history, all four major leagues are playing in
the same day NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA. Did not know that.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I was sent to me, not to tomorrow's like frozen
face off or every NHL team plays.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, yes, I heard that earlier. All three to two
teams are playing. Like why like why on Tuesday?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Why can't we do that on a Saturday.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I don't know what we did early this year?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Yeah we did. No, not this year, we didn't. Last
year we did well.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Thirty teams played for sure, it might have been all thirty. Yeah,
it doesn't matter. The one we care about, you know,
didn't play well on that day either, I'm sure so,
but what tomorrow in Toronto? So sorry? Going on with
the Blue Jays please, I.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
Get everybody in Canada loves the Blue Jays because that's
your team for your cot.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Not everyone. Matt mciara is a Seattle fan because Lizabeth
coou Or she gotta watch out for those guys get
a very reugh night last week.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
But I think it's funny when Canadians reference baseball towards America,
because like in America, I would say, I almost and
I'm speaking to him, I would say, seventy five percent
of America is cheering for the Blue Jays.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
People, Oh yeah, I didn't know that for sure.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Seventy five plus percent is cheering for the Blue Jays.
You want to know why I do, because everybody in
America hates the Yankees and Dodgers because they spend money.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Like yeah, okay, I get it, they we don't.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Nobody likes that. Outside of those two markets, nobody likes that.
So there's nobody is cheering for the Dodgers. So Canada
would understand that, like you have seventy five percent of
us cheering for you, like we're excited.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Just sounds like the trade warst too, But I digress. Now.
Did you see Trey Is Savage and Choetani and somebody
posts a video of how much money they're earning for
the time they're standing there in that pitching sequence. Oh no,
I'm probably Otani's and like the tens of thousands of
the Savage is still like two hundred and fifty bucks,
(42:53):
like and it's accurate, it's wild, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
And they're like when the Brewers play the Dodgers, the
Brewers their their payroll was like one hundred and twenty
two million, which is like three players on the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, I was hoping Milwaukee would have fared a lot
better in that series.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
People don't like that. People in America don't like that.
We want we're cheer for the underdogs.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
We don't like it. And that's that's why I in
the Kadian sports where a lot of people hate the
Leafs because I mean there's a salary cap, so it's different,
of course, but it's a big metropolitan area. They can
attract players.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
But if the if the Leafs play the Jets for
the Stanley Cup, a lot of Canada is cheering for
the Jets. Oh yeah, oh yeah, meaning pretty much outside
that Toronto area is cheering for the Jets.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Right, No, no, no, no, you're there's a lot in
the Eastial cheer for the Leaves too. But there's a lot,
a lot, a lot, a lot of people to cheer
for the Jets, which reminds me, have you watched Who
Killed the Montreal Expos Netflix show?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
I saw? I had it, Okay, I hate turned on
Netflix the other night to watch it. Yeah, and I'm like,
I don't have an hour and a half now and
I don't want to like start it.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
And yeah, so I will be watching it. Yeah, let
me you think I quite enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I will be watching it because I I I was
a big baseball baseball guy in the eighties and I
was I was a big Tim Rains fan when he
was in Montreal, and so like, yeah, like I'm watching it.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Beautiful, that's what I want to hear.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
I don't like that they change the game time for
the Flames tomorrow night. I get it. Don't like it,
get it.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
I didn't look at it you, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
They moved it like like at five o'clock, my time.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Seven o'clock, my time. Beautiful, perfect for you. Perfect.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Think of that all the time now. I'm like, there's
you know how many nights this year I've been like, oh,
it's late for Kyle, Oh it's late.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Oh Man, I know sometimes that they can just need
to move out west to make my life so much
easier yet also so much more complicated. Yeah, that's the
story for another day.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah, so this week for the Flames Tuesday, like I
just mentioned, we're in Toronto Thursday, you'll be there. They're
in Ottawa Saturday, a lovely afternoon game in Nashville, and
then an early start Sunday, late afternoon in Philly. That's
jam packed Thursday, Saturday Sunday travel from Ottawa and Nashville Philly.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
It's gonna be a tough go It's gonna be a
tough goal, just like me playing my first game of
Hawks to night in almost three weeks.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Gotta be a tough goal. Yep, Tomorrow morning might be
a tougher goal.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
You know me so well, that's gonna suck. Gonna suck,
So get on over.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
We got our contest. I'm drawing a winner on the
thirty first. I've got a few, quite a few entries
in their way. We gotta do it. Thirty first Halloween night.
I'm drawing the winner gift card to the settled Home
or the uh yeah, it's a saddled home. The Calgary
Team Store So that's all I got. Who knows what
next week will bring.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I don't know the same optimism we brought you in
this week show.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
I'm sorry I was so negative.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
You were Why you apologize?
Speaker 3 (45:57):
Man?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I was everybody as bad, if not worse.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Could you imagine, you know, Toronto is struggling and Calgary struggles.
You imagine even how much more publicity would be getting
if the Jays weren't in the World Series. Because you
turn on sports and now you can't even find hockey.
It's all baseball stuff. It's so crazy, it's so crazy,
it's utterly ridiculous. And like I can't imagine what the
(46:20):
heat on Toronto made police and the Flames would be had,
and even the Oilers really and even the Oilers if
there was no baseball going right.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Now, I can only wonder, all right, and another week
we will.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Know, Yeah, we'll know for sure. This Saturday would be Saturday.
So we are back next Tuesday. We'll re toward Mondays
drop Tuesdays ill and I have more Flames talk. We're
gonna be here every week, good or bad. Hella eye water, We're.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Here and I will be tweeting from the entire center persons.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Have a great drip cop and we will follow.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Take care, guys.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
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