Offer Sheet Opportunities for Flames – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 243

Offer Sheet Opportunities for Flames – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 243           
 Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14 
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Stanley Cup Playoff talk.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Welcome to Flames Unfiltered, hosted by Brad Rude Kyle Lewis,
episode two hundred and forty three. I haven't said that
for a while. I was looking at the end. That's
a lot of that's a lot of talking flame talking
about that.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, no kidding, it's a hell of a lot.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Actually, people lived dealt with us for more than two
hundred and forty three hours.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
That crazy to think about. I've had relationships or I haven't.
That hasn't been the case. Like wow, wow, oh where
did we go from here?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Brad? Places there, I could go so many places. So, man,
not a ton of Flames news. What you gets the
off season? We expect that, and we're gonna periodically do
These are regular episodes and they're going to be sprinkled
in the off season with some different variety of flames topics.

(01:23):
We touched on one of the last week's episode, and
you'll get a couple in the coming weeks. Okayle not
a ton of flames news. So let's start out. We're
gonna get to some flames. Well, let's talk playoffs. So,
and I wanted to touch on this first is I
don't know if you were able to watch. I didn't
talk to you about this. I talked to you a lot lately,
but I haven't talked you about this. But I don't
know if you were able to watch the Jets game

(01:45):
on Saturday night. Mark Shifley, his father passed away earlier
that day. I can't imagine how he pulled it together
to play, but that's a professionals do, and I'm guessing
that's what Mark Schifley's dad would have wanted also. But anyways,
the Jets play a Game six and things looked great.

(02:05):
Schiefely scores what ended up being the lone Winnipeg Jets goal,
and then with late in the third period in a
tie game, gets called for a tripping penalty, which was
a tripping penalty, but it was a penalty that, like,
really he didn't have a choice to take, right, he
is one of those you had to do it. He

(02:26):
goes to the penalty box and I know you hate
the term hockey gods and I use it way too much,
but like man, I was just it was just so
sad to see him sitting in the penalty box and
the series done, and gosh, I will give to Alice

(02:48):
a ton of credit. They handled that situation about as
perfect as you possibly can. And I feel bad for
the Jets, and I especially feel bad for Mark Schiffe,
and our thoughts and prayers go out to uh Mark
and his family on the devasity news and and and
a Jets run. That was I know, I know you

(03:08):
were cheering for him, and I was cheering for him too,
and it was sad.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, that was that was That was really deflating minute.
I'm still kind of riding the high of the previous
game seven against Saint Louis win. It was just one
of the best hockey games I've ever witnessed in my life. Yeah, really,
what's that ahead? I was gonna say, it's just just
a really sad, you know, sad sense. Circumstances very unexpected. Obviously,

(03:34):
that branch lifely passed away. I think it was late
into Friday night. Maybe it'd occur, but very sudden. And
then to see the Jets go out the way they
did under those circumstances was kind of tough. As far
as the Jets go, I mean, if they'd figured out
how to win on the road, it would be a
different conversation right now, but they weren't able to do
that and uh yeah, that's that's the end of that. Well,

(03:56):
now we're down to the final four, right, yeah, after
after the Tronto Florida, let's.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Talk about let's let's you know that that is has
all of Canada. Quite honestly, it has all the hockey
world a buzz today, as it will should it should. Yeah,
there's a Toronto Florida. Series ends, and I want to
talk about Game seven, but I think there's some other
things I want to touch on since we last talked
on a normal episode that that really kind of made

(04:23):
the series what it was. But Game seven, how and
I'll scale of one to ten? How bad was Toronto?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Ten being the worst?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Ten? Other than that first flurry of chances in the
opening ten minutes. You know, I've watched a lot of hockey, obviously,
as you have as well. I don't know that I've
ever seen a less composed group, certainly not in a
game of seven setting in my life. I don't know

(04:58):
about you.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
But unbelievable they got down, you know, like in the
second Florida rattled off three pretty quick. And I mean,
I know that's a hard mountain to climb, but not
an Insurmontable Mountain. But it wasn't so much that they
were down three. It just looked like they were down
thirty three. The way they handled it.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
It just well, look at what the shot attempts like
twenty twenty seven, like the twenty seven shot attemps for
Florida or something like that.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, so why why? Okay? I mean, we could sit
and talk and we're not going to talk about Toronto
for an hour, But what is with this group? Like?
What what is? What? What if you said, Okay, here's
my theory, what's your theory?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, I want to be I want to be careful
here for a number of reasons, uh not least of
which is, I'm not a professional. I've been in you know,
locker rooms, I know people that work in the league,
and no players in the league. Have you been around
the game enough that I think I've got a reasonably
well educated opinion. This the makeup of this team and

(06:01):
has been the case for quite some time now. They
just God, I haven't heard time wording this, but they
just don't have it. And the Toronto mayle leiefs, to me,
are the perfect example of how important the term team
is because you can have a player like Connor McDavid,
and he can get you into playoffs pretty well single handedly.
You could say some of the things about cal mccarr

(06:23):
and Nathan McKinnon, obviously a litany of goaltenders over the years,
Gretz Scholamu Korea, all these great players. But it comes
down to being a team sport, which is why we
have these Cinderella runs like so many we've seen over
the years. Right, and we'll get listing all those different teams,
but we all know examples. As far as the Leafs go,
they I they just have no composure, they have no discipline,

(06:45):
They seem to lack of character. And that's not to
say that their players do, because they have guys like
Christanna of you and I know as well as anybody
ye are absolute warriors and total playoff performers. But as
a group, this is a terrible, terrible playoff team. Went
faced with any amount of adversity or pressure, like it's

(07:06):
it's incredible how badly they collapse. It was that not
the worst. It was the worst margin, worst loss margin
on a home ice by any team ever in a
game seven.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
So do you like, okay, you know you mentioned Chris Tannev,
And I was thinking about that as you were talking
about that. I always thought of him as like a
clutch player, right, And so you have this group, you
have this group of led by their leaders, and then
you add a Tanev and that doesn't move the bar
at all. And Tanna looks fine, but I mean that

(07:38):
doesn't move the bar at all on getting this team
over that hump? Right? Yeah? So is this Is this
an Austin Matthews problem? Is this a Mitch Marner problem?
Is this ah William Neeland or problem? Like that's those
are the three I look to is because that is
the core, right. I mean, I suppose you could throw

(07:58):
John Tavares in there and Morgan in there too, but
like it is this, this is this is a problem
amongst that group, and it's led by Austin Matthews. So
as much as I think he's the most talented player,
where one of the.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Everybody, like where you where does this fall on? Everybody
wearing a letter needs to share some of the blame
for sure. And I was gonna mention Tavera has had
you not because I think Tavera is the guy's done,
really done. He's had some great individual seasons, as Loulammerel
so eloquently put it at one time, that's a great

(08:34):
individual success in the league. But he has not put
that team over the top. I gotta be honest. I
was actually quite intrigued by a lot of the rhetoric
surrounding Toronto as a fan base and as a media hub.
Bradmur Shawn in particular and as well as Kevin Bixa
had talked about this at length in postgame interviews, and

(08:57):
it was really telling to me that they were saying, like,
how incredible the pressure is on those guys in Toronto,
and how the expert and if you talk to any
Lease fan, this is why I can't stand so many
of them. It's the same stuff every year. They're the loudest,
are the most arrogant, to the most arrogant in your
team's building, that are egregiously posting on social media anytime

(09:17):
they win or have any measure of success, just shoving
down your throats. And then you get into this Game
seven scenario where once again and not the first time,
jerseys are thrown and beer are thrown, and it's like
that behavior is absolutely deplorable. First and foremost and I
was loved to disappoint to see some people in the
media didn't come down as hard on that behavior as

(09:38):
should have. But what I'm getting at is that the
team has astronomical expectations every year, and I don't think
that any other team in the league would have run
it back with this same group as many times as
the Leafs have. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, but I hate to say this. You know, the
team out to the west is not really any different,
and if they lose this series to Dallas, the fingers
get pointed at Edmonton the exact same way they went
one more round, but they're around short.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I haven't seen I haven't seen quite the same level
of behavior from the Oithers fan base.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
No, I'm not talking about fan base. I'm talking about
at what point do you blow up the McDavid, dry
cidled Nuge and Hopkins group. Well, let's look at this
say that, I mean, because it's really not any different,
Like if you just look at it like year per year,
like it's not really any different because we keep saying, well,
Toronto's full of stars, Edmonton's full of stars. Neither are

(10:44):
raising the cup. So if Edmonton falls this series, which
I don't know if they will because I'm really back
and forth on what happens in this Edmonton Dallas series.
I really am. I think if I had to lay
money in Vegas down I'd probably lay it on Dallas
simply because of Jake r because I think that's that's
gonna be the difference. But like this, if Edmonton doesn't

(11:06):
get over the hump too and they don't raise the
cup this year, you start looking at bother times not
a friend anymore. In Edmonton they're the oldest team in
the league.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Well yeah, and that's fair. The difference with Edpington, though,
is Epington has had significantly significantly more success in Toronto,
way way, way more.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Now, Toronto hasn't made it to a conference final since
nineteen ninety three when they lost to the Kings. The
last time they made it at a round two or
sorry to round two was a couple of years ago.
I guess think it was two seasons ago. Prior to
that was two thousand and four when they beat Ottawa
and then lost to Philly. Evington has made it the

(11:53):
Cup finals way back in six they made it the
Cup finals. Last year they've made it of the first
round many many times, typically the expense of the La Kings.
So even if they don't win, they're always much closer
than Toronto. Toronto is like a gear or two behind them. Now,
as far as your comments about the series, it's upcoming
between Dallas and Neviton and this when I saw the

(12:14):
stats side by side for each team, what concerned me
the most if I'm an Oilers fan, is Dallas is
killing them in special teams on paper, and their goaltending,
as you just said, is significantly better. Those are probably
the two most important things you need in the playoffs
are special teams and goaltending. There's always heroes. There's always
a Justin Williams or Marty Jellena or somebody coming up big,

(12:34):
right yep. So but to get back to this Leaves thing,
we'll put a ball on this one. I think that
team just lacks composure. And as I've said before, like
you've heard people talk about good teams having off seasons,
this is a bunch of good players that make a
bad team when it counts. At least they're a great
regular season team. They could have Homeois all the way
through the Cup finals, so they made it, but they

(12:56):
have to make some difficult and significant choices of summer,
the first ones already made for the Mitch Murners, I'm
certain as walking I can't imagine he wants to go
back to Toronto. I'm not even sure they want him back,
because they really need to shake that team up.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
But I don't think they can take him back.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, but the vitriol and and the the I can't
understand the disappointment. I mean, we vote, we cheer, should say,
for one of the most mediocre teams many many years.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, so yeah, I mean I'm not playing fingers at them,
calling them than us. I'm just saying at some point though,
like like you can run him back and run him
back and run him back, but at some point it's like, well,
I mean, I don't know it, just something's got to

(13:42):
change there. And I have one more question on that series. Yeah,
I just wanted to get your take in this because
we haven't a chance to talk about this. Anthony Stolars
gets he blasted in the head of the slap shot
and then later on gets run into by Sam Bennett,
which I don't think that was nearly as bad as
the media made that out to be some of it
some of the media, and I honestly don't know that

(14:02):
that's when he got hurt. I'm wondering more if it's
not on the shot. But anyways, he stays in the
game and then he goes over and is puking in
the bench, and I'm sitting there thinking to myself, Wait
a minute, where are the concussion spotters on the first hit? Yeah, right, Well,

(14:26):
nobody wants their goalie to have to get yanked out,
you know. But then also nobody wants their goalie hurt either, right,
So I don't know it.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Just gosh, well, I've clocked.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Good air on the side of caution, I guess.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Well, yeah, I mean, I've even a pickup. I've clocked
goaltenders in the head many times and rattled them a
little bit, and certainly not intentionally. But I mean, the
masks are only so good if a goaltender gets hit
with a really hard shot in the mask. I because me,
you and I both know. And as you just said,
like the Bennett hit was not the cap of that concussion,
I don't may it may have exacerbated our previous you know,

(15:04):
on that shot, But to your point, I think that
the league has to look a little more closely when
a goalie gets hit in the head like that because
the way these sticks aurnament I can shoot, you know,
probably ninety ninety miles an hour and like my best shot,
if I get all of it right, like it's I'm
not gonna regularly, mind you, I'm nowhere near that good.
But I can. I can take a howitzer from time
to time. And if I can do it, these guys
that are trained professionals with these sticks, it's scary.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
How hard they I don't know, And that's what I'm saying.
I just I don't know. That was that was a
question to hit Now Florida who deservedly so, I mean,
they play played well and there and they're moving on
to the conference finals against a Carolina team that you know,
we've talked about it all series. Anything that Caroline has
been in this year has been boring, and now Washington
series was the least favorite. I think everybody in the

(15:47):
hockey world would agree. And I but I'm really interested
to see this Carolina Florida series. I think that's actually
going to be fairly entertaining.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
I think so too. I Mean, the difficulty for me
is I'm not particularly invested in either market, but I'm
curious to see how Logan stan Covin, you know, stacks
up for Carolina because all the talk's been about rant
and and deservedly so, he's been unreal for Dallas. But
I think in the East Carolina a little bit of
a hunger team than Florida. But Florida, especially with adding
Brad Marshaun at the deadline, that they're just such a deep,

(16:19):
deep team. And Brabrovski not enough people have talked with him. Man,
he his his the saves he makes are so composed,
looking like he just doesn't look rattled.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
He doesn't at all.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
And you know, if we'd been able to say the
same for Hellawalk again, maybe that series turned out differently.
And I'm not trying to, you know, knock on him
too much either, but Barofsky deserves a ton, a ton
of credit.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
My interest in this series is I picked Carolina to
win the Stanley Cup at the beginning of the season.
That's it. There you go, Edmonton, Vegas. We touched on
that a little bit. Is Edmonton really kind of I'm
gonna say it as much as it kills me too.
They they rolled Vegas.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, the only game they didn't roll them was the
game I was at Go figure.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yes, imagine, I've never been a huge Aiden Hill fan,
and he proved me right there. Yeah, this Skinner card.
I don't know what's gonna happen with that in Edmonton.
I'm not sure they know. I think there's some injury
trouble still there looming. But you go out to Edmonton

(17:19):
and you see the one glimmer of hope from Vegas,
and you know, I was happy that you got to
do ititness that.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, it's I mean, first and foremost, what a building
in Edmonton. Holy lord, if we if Calgary is getting
anywhere anything like that, like Roger's Place, then you know
we're lucky to be fans of that team, because that
building is just it's a whole it's just a whole
different level, unbelievable, unbelievable cool atmosphere, you know, sing of
the national anthem with twenty thousand other people. Everything about

(17:47):
it was was just really cool. Disappointing to see a
game and like that point for or second left and
you know goes off dry cycle when you're really hard.
I'm sure you did, but I mean I gotta be honest,
especially in this case. I mean, it's a little tricky
for me because I am Canadian and I'm so tired
of seeing Katy teams just bounced and moreover, I really
hate Vegas and I love seeing them go.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
So it's so funny, like you know, like me, and
You've talked about this numerous times in the show, the
different perspectives from me living in and albeit I'm really
really close to Canada, but just that the perception I
I I hopefully I think I'm speaking for most Americans,
like I do not look at it as where these

(18:29):
teams are from at all, Like whether it's Canadian or American.
I I just I don't. I it's it's not something
in America that's even talked about. I I guarantee you
in the in the Dallas Edmonton series, Americans are not
saying we want Dallas to win.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I would say America.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
In America, there's this many teams that want to see
Connor McDavid and Edmonton advance of the finals than there
are Dallas.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
And you're saying it. You're saying it with like Charles
Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal and those guys like former basketball
stars talking about it about Edmonton and how they're fans.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
We don't look at it as Canadian and American. We don't.
We looked at it as another pro hockey team.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
We don't care. Yeah, it's interesting, and I think it's
different for us so too, because they're so few Canadian
teams were lucky to have seven after only having six
for so long. But I mean to your point, and
I think this is where we would look at it similarly.
It's like, I'm just tired of Dallas, like they've been
elite for so many years. It's like, Okay, I'm done
with you, go away. I'd like to see somebody else
immerge in the West. I was hoping Winnipeg obviously, but

(19:30):
that wasn't the case.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
You know, And and I don't. I'm not a big
Dallas fan. I mean, obviously I'll cheer for them over
Edmonton just because I don't want to listen to Edmondon fans.
But I don't have quite honestly, like I said, outside
of Carolina. And the only reason I would say that
is because I pick them. I don't really have any

(19:54):
skin in the game anymore. Yeah, I was cheering for Winnipeg.
I've always made it vocal on the podcast that Winnipeg
has always got a softpot for me because of my
proximity of how close I am to them, And you
know what, quite honestly, I love the makeup of that team.
I've always been a shifely fan. I think Eelers is
amazing and I've always rooted for for Connor Connor Hellibuk too,

(20:17):
and so I mean it is kind of is what
it is. But I do think it's funny the different
perspectives and who people decide to cheer for. And I
don't think there I don't think there's gonna be a
lot of people cheering for Florida.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
You know. And that's, by the way, that's to say
nothing if your love about him Lowery, I'm surprised you
didn't mention him.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Oh yeah, if I told you that a lot of
last episode, I believe that I would. Yeah, I literally,
if I was building a team, he'd be one of
the main top five guys i'd want. Let's talk tiny
bit about that series. I just I got a couple
of questions for you. It was good to see Connor
Hellibuck kind of bounce back to his normal form. But
Game four, did you feel like the Jets got screwed

(21:02):
like that kick in off the goalie stick? Like, I don't.
I don't understand. I mean, I understand what they're what
the rules are saying, I just don't understand how they
determined that intention.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Man, that's the case.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
And if you kick the puck off of a goalie stick,
like I want to rewind that Coleman goal a couple
of years ago in Edmonton.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Mhm, But there's no consistency are in that rule?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Right? That's the problem I'm having, And like, I really
think there needs to be a meeting this year amongst
the league officials and determine a black and white you
know what, if it comes down to, let's say, if
you kick the puck in, it's okay. I'm okay with that.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, as long as it's consistent, right, prepare.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
For everybody then, So just eliminate that rule and just say,
you know what, if the puck goes in outside of
somebody throwing the puck in, it's a goal. And I
don't care if they move their head forward to head
butt it in. If they can head butt the puck
in good for them if they can. But it's good
for them.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
But if they kick it like off the goalie stick,
or they kick it like off the posts and they
didn't kick it in the net, because how is it
any different than the fact you can kick a pass.
I've lost my stick before and made kick passes like
I know, But.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
That's what I'm saying, So just eliminate the whole problems
with it and just say, I you can care anyway
the puck goes in. It goes in outside of holding
it in your hand, grasping it and throwing it. Anything
outside of that is a goal.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, No, I agree, I agree, And that's what's it.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
We don't need to worry about if it was it
a high stick or not a high stick, I don't know.
The guy hit it and it went in the damn net.
It's a goal. Yeah, that's the only way we're going
to get consistency. And then you know the part that
bothered me the most on that is then Neil Peon
gets a breakaway gets clearly slashed. Yeah, and no call.
And then the real kicker for me was Marchman was

(22:58):
upset at a call which was an inco recall and
he had a reason to be upset, but he slashed
that linesman. Yeah, he slashed him. Yeah, And I'm sorry
the league opened a can of worms there, because now
if Brad Marshaan slashes a rep in this next series,
they can't do anything. They cannot do anything.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
You'd think, you'd think I do the one, the one
nice moment that we should point out about that series,
and you just reminded me of it by mentioning Mason
marchmant The nice the nicest moment at the end of
that series was Marchman talking to Shifley Because, as we
although Mason Marchman lost his father, Brian former flame a

(23:41):
few years ago, yep, during draft weekend. I think it
was in Montreal, actually, yep, very very and his dad
was one tough son of a bitch of a player
and a very well regarded guy in hockey circle. So
nobody else in that building that we know of, anyone
could have understood which Sifey was going through quite like
Mason could have. So it's nice to see those two
embracings and have that moment. So yeah, but as per

(24:03):
usual on this show and uh in hockey in general,
the league does not know their own rules. They do
not know how to create consistency, and there are no
consequences for their inability to do so.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
So, And boy, I'm I rarely protect refts, but you
know you can't touch a ref. You just can't.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh god, no, no, let's progress.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Another thing. I want to rewind it back even more
on that when Ben hit Shifely with the ref in
between them, not in not in a fight. There weren't
in a fight. If a ref gets in and there
two guys, me and you were going at it in
a fight and a ref gets in there, that's a
little different. But when one guy's standing there the rest
in between them, trying to create a barrier, and he

(24:44):
throws a sucker punch over the top and knocks him
in the ref down, and you get a five thousand
dollars Fine, I'm sorry not thinking that's protecting your officials.
I don't understand it. I don't understand it. I concur
so now let's switch here is because we talked enough
about that. M Dustin Wolf is up for the Calder

(25:08):
Macklam Celebrini, Lane Hudson and Dustin Wolf for officially the
the Calder Memorial Trophy finalists. We'll find out who wins that.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I think we have concurred that we think Lane Hudson's
gonna win, and he probably statistically arguably, I don't know,
I mean, go around and around and round about it.
But he get a hell of the season. And if
Dustin Wolf does not win, at least I can go
to bed at night thinking that it wasn't just some

(25:38):
guy that had the name that got it. I mean,
I really believe he had a hell of a year
and if you look at his statistics up against other defensemen,
it's phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Well, Celebrany is number three, and that in those rankings
of the bullet he is didn't nowhere, nowhere near no,
not that much help Sanse but did nowhere near as
much for his team as the other two did. Yeah,
it's kind of funny. It makes me think, actually, when
Fanough didn't win the Calder because he was up against Corosbinovechikan,
it just wasn't gonna happen. In this case, had Wolf

(26:10):
got his team into the playoffs so he got that
thirtieth win, I think he probably wins it because we
already know the Flames don't getnywhere near that close without him.
But you know, Laane Hudson had an absolutely incredible season,
was a huge part of the Habs resurgence and could
be argued that he's the biggest reason they made the
playoffs too, as far as their team goes, So the
goaltending position is obviously significantly more important, but based on

(26:34):
where the team's finished, I think, you know, he kind
of got to give the edge. And again, actually it's
not unlike the MVP again Lea Theodore controversy from the
one O two season. Again la deserved it. He was
far more viable to his team on the whole. But
Theodore's team had more success they made of the playoffs
played the Bruins, I believe, And this is the exact

(26:56):
same thing in terms of, hey, you know, Hudson's team
fared better. So yeah, that's and it's a bigger market
to me, Montreal is huge.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
So one thing that I will say though is Dustin
if at twenty nine wins, I did not realize I
was fourteen more than a franchise rookie record established by
Mike Verdon. That's that's not wild, that's bonkers.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Really is really is Onto the draft Noel lottery win
for Calgary, which means we'll pick sixteenth overall. The pick
will transfer to Montreal as part of the twenty twenty
two shun Monahan trade, which we'll move the Flames back
into the eighteenth pick, which was a pick acquired from

(27:39):
New Jersey. The Florida pick. We're waiting to be determined.
Each day. That keeps getting worse, But I don't know
that we lose sleepover that when you're talking about the
thirtieth right.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Well, we don't. And I'll tell you why. I was
talking to a scout the other day and he was
very emphatically and flatly said, is like, this is not
a deep draft. This is why you're seeing so many
teams jostling for draft position in terms of trading picks
in the twenty six draft. This the Flames could have
three picks in the top ten and they wouldn't fare

(28:12):
better than they did last season because the draft isn't
as deep as far as I'm concerned. So as much
as we want higher picks, I mean we you know,
quickly harken back to all the tank talk and all that,
this is not the year for that to happen. It
would have been great to make the playoffs. We didn't.
I understand, you know, we kind of lost out in
both situations. But this is not a deep draft and
therefore you're gotta take a longer look at the deeper rounds.

(28:33):
I think I'll try to get a good player up top,
but this is not making or breaking the direction of
this franchise whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
No. Now, one thing I want to talk about too
is the prospects and guys we've already drafted that are
really really doing really well. And I wanted you to
talk about your monked and player.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah yeah, So unfortunately I was at game five in
Monkedin and they were not able to get the job
done at home ice. But they won today in Ramuski,
so they are the Quebec League champions being meeting Flames
prospect at TM one A as won the QMJHL championship
and they will begin their Memorial Cup quest in Ramuskie

(29:14):
again against London. I believe next Saturday will be the
start of the mem Cup. So huge news for them,
huge news for junior hockey and Monckton my hometown. So
very cool. But yeah, there's a few other guys we
need to talk about. I'm gonna mention it anther one
quickly that I'm gonna throw over you to talk about
the guy that you're most excited about, and rightfully so.
But the other guy that his team has advanced and

(29:34):
the World Cup we should talk about is Andrew Basha,
the medicine at Tigers, who just came back from a
pretty significant injury and went on a roll right away.
So two of the flames top prospects will be playing
for the top junior hockey prize in Canada. So pretty
stoked about that. But let's talk about the guy from
Schwinnigan time out.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
I gotta hear you one thing. This is crazy because
you're gonna cut You're gonna laugh at me like I'm
a big CHL guy. Love the w h L. I
I I'm a Brandon Wee Kings fan because I live
really close to Brandon and I so I follow the
league even though I live in the States. Right, But
on was it Friday night when Edmonton Dallas were playing? Yes,

(30:14):
Friday night, Dallas, Yes, Saturday, the Vegas, the Vegas Edmonton,
I'm sorry, Vegas, Edmonton Friday. I'm all were excited to
watch this game right, flipping the channels and I hit
on over to T s N and Medicine Hat Spokane.
It's just it's just starting. I didn't turn it.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, I watched.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
That whole game. I would check in on the Oilers
game and it got over and then overtime was starting.
So I mean I saw that, but I'm serious, that
was unbelievable hockey. It was. It was that good to watch.
And and you know, Medicine Hat was playing without uh
Gavin mccannon that night because of an injury, but like,

(31:04):
unbelievable intensity and his is great. It was great.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's fantastic hockey. Fantastic, I mean across all.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I'm sorry Coloonne has got the Memorial Cup this year.
No Remuski Muskie does the next year in.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Okay, I can't remember, honestly. I mean, I've been so
fixated on our junior team here and how good they are,
I mean, number one at A sixteen the country, so
I haven't only looked beyond this season. But yeah, I
guess the disappointing thing was the fact that Ramuskie was
already in as the host city. I was hoping that
she went again would have stuck by them, so we
could have had a Flames prospect battle in the Q final,

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but that wasn't the case.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah, that's the yeah, and the guy I was excited
before I cut you off, gridden, unbelievable. Whin's the burger
On Trophy as the offensive rookie of the Year in
the queue this year? Seventy nine I mean seventy nine points,
thirty six goals, forty three assists plus thirty one this
guy's Does this guy have a chance of a roster

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spot next year? It won't.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
He'll get a longer looking camp. I don't think he's
quite there, but he is. I'll be curious to see
all the Flames prospect rankings this summer because he's top
five now for sure.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, I mean, what a year.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
But this is what I mean when people talk about,
you know, wanted to tank, Like, if you look at
all the players we have in the pipeline now, other
than a center, I don't really know what else would
be looking for. I mean, we're pretty stacked in most
other positions, right.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
We're we are, We're really stecked. And I know, and
I'm not stupid. I mean, I know some of our
prospects aren't gonna pan out. That's just the sheer numbs, right, Yeah,
I mean outside of like desperate needs on this team.
Number one center. Yeah, outside of that, I don't see
a desperate need. No, And that's why I'm not so

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sure that I wouldn't be willing to package a couple
of our We have a plethora of defensive offensive defenseman prospects,
wouldn't mine maybe moving one along with something another piece
at a shot at that center. I don't know. I
think it needs to be.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
We've talked about that. It's gonna have because centers is
so hard to come by. It's going to take a
really you're gonna have to find somebody who's unhappy somewhere,
not willing to sign somewhere, convince him that he's willing
to sign with you, and then make that trade.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
You know, like that's to be an aggressive approach.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Oh yeah, you're absolutely including one of those one of
those deep prospects, a first and probably a decent roster
player to try and get a center that you hope
will pan out. You're not going to get established center
for that. So it's gonna be really interesting to see
because our the centers we do have for raging it
rather quickly as.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well, I know, I mean it's changing. Speaking of ag,
let's talk about most of the guys at overt worlds
aren't aren't age. You know, maybe maybe you could consider
Backland age, you know, uh, let's touch base on them.
Backland has got five points in five games, Anderson for

(34:12):
Sweden's got uh three points in six games. I believe
they played today though didn't see a score.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Captain rassmum, Sanderson no less.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, he's getting a lot of love over there. Holy Kyle,
he's uh. I don't know if he's taking billboards out
to raise his price tag or what, but he's uh.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
It's probably good for him to have a change of
scenery though, I mean, you know, getting away from all
the negativity that he alluded to in Calgary. And understandably
so he did. Like we've talked about Alength, he's had
had a terrible season generally speaking, so I think it's
a bad thing for him to go and play for
some country and kind of cool off for a bit.
But it's kind of it's funny in a way to
think that, you know, he's named captain and you know
Backland's not considering the rules in Calgary. But it's also

(34:55):
difficult for me to because I don't pay a lot
of attention to that tournament. So it's hard for me to
engauge you because the Flames website reports because they have
nothing else really going on at this moment between the
end of their season, draft and free agency, so they're talking,
checking in on Kevin Ball, Dan Vladar Adam Klapka, Rasmus Anderson,
Michael Backland. It's like mckenzieiger. It's like it all sounds

(35:16):
like they're having fantastic tournaments, but ultimately the tournament doesn't
mean anything.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
So I don't really I am with you.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
But now I will say, because that sounded a bit
dismissive of my part, I'm happy these guys went to
get the reps and I'm happy to get to play
for the country. It's it's just not I mean, any
other international tournament taking the airwaves the same time as
the Stele Cup playoffs. You can't make me care about it.
You can't happy for the players, But I don't care

(35:43):
about tournament.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, and I prefer half. I mean, I understand clap
Clavador Honzick, and I understand Anderson Backland just because of
words add I'd rather see Wiger at home. Wiger has
an assist in five games, clapt two goals and an
assistant two games played, one of which was a beauty.
And and to and Or I don't know if you
saw that. I did. Yeah, and Uh, Dan Volodari, who

(36:07):
didn't expect to get in any games. Uh, it's a
point ninety three save percentage in two games. And Hans
Hansick's got two points in five games. So yeah, I
mean it all looks roses right.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well, those two guys you just mentioned in particular, so Validiar,
who didn't play a lot in the second half of
the season but played extremely well when he did. I
think it's good for him to, you know, continue playing.
He's playing for his next contract, obviously. And then Hansick,
I do think it's a really good developmental opportunity for
him to potentially earn a full time role with the
Flames next season. So I don't want to imply that
it's useless. I just don't care about the day to day.

(36:39):
I don't care at all, So you can't even less
than I do.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I care way lesson I guarantee I care where it
wayless and I guarantee, Oh man, what I do care about?

Speaker 2 (36:53):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
With what we saw on offer sheets last summer with
the Saint Louis Edmonton craziness. Yes, is there a chance
we see more? I see the compensation levels came out.
They've actually went down because now if you want a
guy from seven to nine point three million, it's a first,
a second and a third, where last time I believe

(37:17):
it was two firsts. Yeah, so it's it's it's changed
a little bit. What got me a little bit more
excited is, you know, the first thing when you look
at these offer sheets and you look at the compensation,
it's got to be your own picks. And and there's seriously,
there's a lot of teams that can't even offer sheet
just because they they don't have their picks. I look

(37:37):
at CALGARYES twenty twenty six. We got all of them,
so we can offer sheet.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So who would you offer sheet or who would you
consider offer sheeting?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Maybe about I have one guy on my list of
guys that I would I wouldn't do tell I like
Marco Rossi in Minnesota, I would offer sheet him. He's
a center. He is what we're looking for. Is he
the number one guy up front that you're looking for?
I I don't know yet, but he's young.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
How they have him many? I've heard his name a lot.
But how many points did he put up? You're gonna
do that to me, Let me bring it up.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Across the.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Dude, because I believe he was oh yeah, sixty points
in eighty two games, twenty four goals, thirty six assists.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I just there's I feel like there's something there.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
So funny too, Like I just now, well, just reading this,
like looking at his season, then I scroll over to
his uh to his playoff stats, and you know, I
just totally forgot the Minnesota was even a part of it.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
What did he have in the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Two goals in an assist?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I believe what four games? Five games they played?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
They played six, that's right. But I mean Minnesota has
been so I mean, now, I I you know, made
a comment about us being the center of mediocrity in
Calgary at man. Minnesota like that team. When's the last
time they won a deep playoff? From two thousand and
three when they lost to the Ducks in the conference finals.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
When Wes Walls played for them.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
That's why the former flame, the speedy west Walls.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Sun worked for me. He's a great guy. I've met
Wes and his son, a wonderful, wonderful kid, Calvin, and
he plays hockey and Swaton now I know Switzerland, Switzerland, now, good,
good guy.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
That's funny. Actually I ran into Jordan Murray at the
Walcats game, so Jordan was a part of He plays
hockey that sometimes and ran in him of the Walcats
game on Saturday night. A great guy and obviously phenomenal
hockey player. He's part of the Senator system for years
and it's a great living playing pro hockey. I believe
he's also when Switzerland or the German elite LEAUE or
somewhere in that region. But there's pro hockey outside of

(39:54):
the NHL and HL, and it's damn good hockey too.
So but that's cool. Yeah, Wes Walls, that's a he
could have made our Obscure Flames episode.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
But I can't believe I didn't. I didn't pull that one.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, I'm kind of surprise too. Thirty thirty seven. If
I'm not mistaken, I believe you're right back to the
offer sheets.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Okay, so we're not going to offer. We're not offer
sheeting somebody that's not a center, right, I I can't
see that happening.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Well, it's okay, it's not going to be a d
It could be a scoring winger. But even then, like
we have a so we have a lot of guys
with a lot to prove, So we get for offensive
players Uberdo, Kadre Cornado, Sharon Govich, Frost, Theraby. Sorry, so
there's two lines an extra what you say Prospital Yeah, yeah,

(40:49):
well ideally, but not convinced so much on him. But anyway,
there's there's the neither.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
He could be our fourth line center.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Oh I'm just saying the top two lines though. Yeah,
it's like there's like like seven seven players. I don't
really they could be. He could be. He could be
he could be a twenty twenty. He'd be great on
the third line. But I mean Frost, who knows. I mean,
he struggled so much to find that that that sorry,
get hurt. But anyway, all that to say Scherago, which

(41:17):
needs a remail and blah blah blah, there's a space
for more scoring in the Flames, So there could be
could be somebody else that comes up.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
But so let me throw a couple of center names
to tell me if you're interested.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Jjirka, oh I love JJ percerca absolutely.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Mason McTavish, Gabe, Valardi, Morgan yeeky. Those are those are
some centers that come to mind though, that are offer
sheet eligible. Those are those are something that come to
mind for me.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
They're all likely to be kept because you don't want
to go all yes, Yeah, you don't want to go
all yes, percocky Emmy on them and offer sheet and
crazy money and they're not worth it, right, And I'm
a big gave Lardy fan to be fair.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
But here's the deal, though, Kyle, we have a ton
of money. If we're gonna blow our wad and take
a chance, we need a center.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
You should have said what you should have said, wat
of cash Man. That sounded dirty, okay of cash we
got we gotta do something right? Well, yeah, I mean,
and you can. I mean the only thing that I'm
kinda so like for Saint Louis, who worked out really well,
they don't make the playoffs though, Broberg and Holloway they

(42:37):
had great years for St. Louis, really smart moves and
it and it turned that team back into a competitive
team in a league where teams struggle mightily to stay
competitive year of year. So good for them. I don't
know that any of the players that you mentioned will
be anything more than a stop gap. But if we're
realistic looking a where this team is gonna be next season,
and we want them to be, stop gaps are probably

(42:58):
what we're in the market for right now.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I don't know, and I'm not saying I'm all fully
on board, but but.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
None of those are gonna upset me. Morgan Geeky had
a great season with the Bruins. He's a great player.
Petka probably wants to leave the tire fire that is
the Buffalo Sabers.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I think we could get we could lure up here.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Imagine somebody offers you a bunch of money to leave
the Buffalo Sabers. What do you think they're gonna do?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Like, you could give me a little. Yeah. The only
problem is if he signs that they can match and
then he would be stuck there.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Oh, speaking of former Sabers. Yeah, I'm supposed to be
golfing with Matthew Barnaby here in a couple of weeks,
so that could be kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Really.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, he's a friend of a friend, so we'll see
if that actually comes together. I'll be seeing him anyway
because we're part of that tournament together. But uh, okay,
I'll be curious here his thoughts in the current state
of the Sabers, which again, if we go down that road,
will be here all night and to tomorrow. But I
like where your heads at because the offer sheheet thing
went from being this thanks to Kevin Ow and Brian

(44:03):
Burke was like this egregious, dirty, filthy, hateful tactic. But
as Burke said back then, he was right. It's a
tool that you can use. And now with the compensation
package having shrunk, with the period in the league, with
the sellar cap going up, all of a sudden, it
becomes a lot more of attractive tool. And Saint Louis
used it to perft Efect last summer. So I'm game.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
We don't have a center. I need a tool. Let's
do it. We need to do it.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
That's so quick. Well, and okay, here's here's the other
thing that backs up your point. The team finished with
ninety six points. I almost dropped an F bomb there
because I want to emphasize again it's ridiculous to have
ninety six points not knocking the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
However a little bit, and then I throw the blow
and wade thing.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
That's like gleaning anything up. So that said, the next
step is a playoff spot, which we've already agreed has
been expedited. The only way that is likely to happen
other than none of the standouds eve from Vesta Wolf,
is to add some center death, someone who can win
f offs, maybe playing the power play, you know, kicking
forty points, maybe fifty sixty in a great season, whatever,

(45:06):
But with Cadre getting older back when getting older, we
don't know, Sorry, I can play center full time.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
We don't know what Frost is like. We need somebody.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Yeah Frost, I've already said I think he hit sixty
points next year and finally is your breakout season. But
I could be dead right. We're doube with the guy
here who took Andre Kuzmenka w in his hockey pool
this season, So what the hell do I know?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
And if I pull out my predictions for last year,
that's a guy that had Vancouver I believe high upen,
but hey, who saw that coming? So I'll protect you
on that I'll protect you on that.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
So there actually is a great segue for something that
I wanted to mention if I may, because you mentioned
this before it went on, and I forget about it
till right now. I was appalled and embarrassed by the
comments and the overall presence of Jim Rutherford at the
season any press conference makeup. It's like, man, you're a
hundred years old. Go home. You don't belong in the

(45:59):
game anymore unless you're going to be a senior advisor
to somebody younger, somebody with something like I'm so so
tired of these people getting recycled and recycled and the
ducks they with Joel Quinvill, I get it. Joel Quinvill's
a hell of a coach. Yeah, And you know there's
obviously some stuff to deal with. You know that there's
a hell the whole thing played out in Chicago, and

(46:20):
I understand all that. I'm just so sick. I'm so
sick of these people, and now the newest ones can
haul in LA It's like, go away, go away, you're
too goddamn old. You've been doing this forever, Like how
Lula Morello is barely alive yet somehow still evolved in
the sport.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
But you can't. We can't let they can't let Rutherford
leave Vancouver. It's too entertaining, like it is.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Well, yeah, okay, if you're going to be a dick
like you are and just hate on your vanco working
onus fans, and then that's a different perspective, and I
respect that because hate can be fun. So I get it.
But if I'm looking at the health of the sport
and the progressiveness of the sport, and they always seem
to get it, and like just the it's always so
backwards to me. And now you get me ramble and
so indulge me for a moment, if you would please.

(47:04):
So we got these old guys being rehashed and retreaded,
and here's a new job, and here's a new job.
And you know, we know you've been collecting old age
for twenty five years, but here's another high profile gig.
And they do that over and over and over again.
But then they want to get more progressive in other ways.
They bring in broadcasters in the form of former NHL
players who are terrible at analysis, and I'm looking at

(47:26):
you know, a handful of people I'm not going to
name or like Jennifer Botterill on the Hawking eight Canada panel,
I just I'm just over it, like just stop, just
go away. Kevin Bix is fantastic. By contrast, Unli.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I want people in the right positions, not because.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, okay, it's just I don't know, I just don't
get it. Like something, they try to do progressive things
in some regard and they backfire, and then they completely
ignore younger talent coming and looking from mentionement positions and
keep giving these other guys jobs because they want to
stay in the Cup in nineteen ninety eight. Like I'm
just I'm just over that, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Agree, I agree, I And then there is some old
guys like okay, I could pray Bruce Boudreau is coaching again.
I just there's certain guys, right.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Bruce, but is a great guy too.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Like but I do, I do see what you're saying,
and I do think, you know what, and I think
we did it in Caligary for you know, for the
most part, with with bringing in a younger coach like
Ryan Husker. Right, I'm so you know I think that, yeah, well,
I and you know, I remember you can remember this cat.
We're really going today, We're going along. That's okay. You

(48:37):
remember the people in Calgary freaking out when Mitch Love
left and we left this guy get away? Can you believe?
Can you believe it? We let this young guy get away?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Is a Washington, isn't he?

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah? But he still hasn't surfaced as a head coach.
And we went through probably nine head coaches since then,
if not more. I might be wrong, that might be
more than that, and he still has some surface.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I did hear last week that he was in the
interviews for the five open coach I believe a five open.
I'm not sure what team, but I did hear he
was in the interview process for one or more. But
that's the thing, like, you know, we get on these
things as fan bases. That and we can't lose this person.

(49:25):
I think we need to probably be a little bit
more open to losing people because like, okay, I did
not want to lose Who're really going off in a
tangent today? Now, for example, I was not enamored with
losing Christ with Tanev. I did not want to lose
tanav M. But this year, did I ever say to you, boy,

(49:51):
could really use Tanna right now. Yes, we could have
used him all year, but we're humans. We forget right away. Yeah,
we forget right away what we had.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
So you just raised something else, really, Inchot, because this
actually came up this morning with my buddy Chris So.
Chris is a diehard Baltimore Orioles fan, die hard. The
Oriols just fired their manager, m h And, as he
tells me, the plan was this was going to be
the manager to help all these young guys progress into
MLB once the team had established prior to this season,

(50:25):
because it had been pretty visible thus far. Once we'd
established the Oils are now a good team, ownership, basic
well ownership kind of gave him the mandate. Okay, you
know we saw you as a transitional manager. Now you're
gonna guide this roster. We're going to see how you
do now that they're competitive. They've since made a change
because the team has been crappy. So my question to
you is do you think that Ryan Huska will lead

(50:48):
this team through the transition to comote the other side
or is he a transitional coach we're in We're going
to see uh a Craig Berube or Rick Tockett or
some other sexier quote unquote name be brought in.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
You know, I think, for the most part myself and
I believe I can speak for most of the fan
base that we're pretty happy with the husk of hiring
right this year. And I'm not speaking for the fan
base now. I think some of the fan base that
agree with me, because I've received messages and questions and
been told other people's opinions, and they agree with me

(51:23):
on this. I think Ryan Huska did a pretty good
job this year. I questioned a little bit some of
his personnel decisions. That does and you did too, and
that scares me a little bit for the future, although
I'm open to the fact that I don't think anybody
is going to be perfect and I'm gonna agree with
all their all their personnel decisions, right, No, No, I

(51:47):
just I remember the Jeff Ward days so vividly about
the line blenders, and I've said this how many times,
one hundred times. We've had two hundred and forty three episodes.
I'd said it one hundred times. It's a sign of
panicking as a coach, and I think it's a horrible
way to coach and a couple of times Husko was

(52:07):
doing that this year, and I'm just like, you know,
I would have loved to sit down for and have
a cup of coffee with him and sit and say like, hey, like,
what's your reasoning behind having Clapka on the first line? Like,
I know Clapka at the end of the year, I
know Clapka was was moving and shaken, but like, is
seriously so, if we would have made the playoffs opening

(52:28):
night of the playoffs, we'd have had Adam M. Klapka
on our right wing first line.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Based on how the well, based on the playoffs are played,
that would change the situation a little bit. But I
understand you're saying. I mean some of the deployment was questionable.
I went on all year about Kevin Rooney. We can
always question things. But so yeah, but back to the question,
I'll answer the question.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I I would say, mathematical odds state that he will
not be there at the end.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, we don't even know where the end is yet.
I just think it's interesting because the end.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Uh and the Stanley Cup Because to me, no, I mean,
like what is the end. Is the end making the
playoffs or is the end winning the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Well, I mean, I think, honestly, the end is making
the playoffs and doing so consistently over the course of
at least a handful of seasons, because it when's the
loss on the Flames when the playoff two years in
a row.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
A long time ago.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Actually you know what? Actually, yeah, it would have been.
It would have been seven to eight. No, wait on nine,
because they missed till fourteen fifteen. Ye, they waited forty
to fifteen. They missed fifteen sixteen. They made it sixteen
seventeen on the backs of Chad Johnson and Brian Elliott
I believe, yep. Seven. Yeah, they missed seventeen eighteen. They
made eighteen nineteen with like one hundred and some points

(53:49):
and lost to Colorado. They missed a nineteen twenty Yep.
Then they had to play in in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Weird year.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Yeah, that doesn't really count. Kind of sort of that
we had twenty one to twenty two with you know,
Goodroau dominance and that we haven't made sense. Ye, So
I guess because the Stanley Cups are difficult to win,
my argum would be, yeah, that the end is being
to the point where this team is consistently in the playoffs,
So to put a number on it, for me, it's

(54:20):
a twenty six to twenty seventh season. Yeah, because next
year is still att bit of an unknown. And I
agree with you, I don't think he's going to see
this thing through to that point because any coach, the
message gets tired, they're going to want somebody more experienced,
et cetera, et cetera. Who that will be who knows,
But for now, it's just that Oil's example really stuck
with me because it's like they basically told the manager,
you're here to guide this and if you can do that,

(54:40):
we're going to give you a chance. Well he got
his chance and it didn't pan out. So now they're
moving on to somebody more experienced. Yeah, so that's here
we are.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
We talked a lot. I have one question though, before
we leave. There's been a ton to talk about Mitch Marner. Yes,
and I don't usually pull up too much Facebook or
Twitter or whatever you want to call it banter on here,

(55:10):
but there was a lot of talk of people saying
that the Flames would be a great fit for Mitch Marner,
and it was from sources like the Hockey news and
like true hockey sources. Right, how do you feel about that? Oh?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Man, youah one question, Give me another twenty minutes. Mitch
Murner needs to get out of Toronto. It's not it's
a toxic relationship at this point. Uh, I really did
not appreciate him yelling at his teammates the way he did,
where he himself had been abysmal in the Florida series.

(55:51):
But I'll go back to my comments earlier in the show.
But you know Brad Marshaun talking about VMA's pressure in
Toronto and how it's almost unfair. Maurner may floor somewhere.
He really could, I think he wants. I don't know,
he could be in a competitive hockey mark and enjoy
and not have the crippling, insane pressure of Toronto. But
from a character standpoint, I knowing what little I know

(56:12):
of him and how he is without getting into, you know,
pretending like I know the guy, because I don't, I
have suspicions that he would not be the type of
personality we want in the dressing room.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I agree, I all right, particularly care that he was
a ghost for a lot of not just this postseason,
but other previous postseasons. And I don't know how you are,
but as a Flames fan, the end goal of this
to me, yes, I want to make the playoffs with
My end goal is I want the Stanley Cup. And
I'm not sure he's the guy. I want to pay

(56:48):
twelve million dollars and throw my my bed on to
get us to the step.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I would much, That's what I much. I'd way sooner
bring back Sam Bettetter seven or eight million than sign
much murder.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I know, but there's no way Sam Bennet's coming back here.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah, we don't know. Things have changed a lot since
you left. You never know. It's possible. Yeah, anyway, it's
interesting to see. It's gonna be really interesting summer. We
got a lot of things to talk about. Over the
course of that summer and the next few weeks, I'll
hopefully make some things a little bit clearer. But I
can tell you one thing. We'll be watching the locker
clean out in Toronto pretty pretty close to me because that's

(57:23):
you know, crack a beer for that one. That's gonna
be fascinating.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Yeah. Mammoth logo, do you like it or you don't
like it? Mammoth named do you like it or don't
like it.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Well, I'm a huge, huge fan of the band Mammoth
Wolfkang Van Halen, Eddie Son, so I do like the
name Mammoth and I actually the logo is not bad.
I think it's way better than Yet I'm getting little
bit tired of the cartoonish names, and Mammoth is kind
of cool.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I don't bite it. I thought you were gonna say,
I'm a huge fan of the flint Stones and it
reminds me.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Now to go, Yeah, we're at a time.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I like it. I like it. I don't mind it
at all. All Right, where do we go?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Hey, it's better. It's better than Hockey Club.

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