July 14, 2025 • 47 mins
Offseason Questions for Calgary Flames – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 251
Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14
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Signings – Frost and Morton
RFA not signed – Zary
Offseason Questions for the Flames
NHL NEWS- Sportsnet Price Hike and CBA
Website: Flames Unfiltered
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*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14
--- EPISODE 251 ---
Signings – Frost and Morton
RFA not signed – Zary
Offseason Questions for the Flames
NHL NEWS- Sportsnet Price Hike and CBA
Website: Flames Unfiltered
Listen: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts
Watch: YouTUBE
Social Media – X - @FlameUnfiltered |FACEBOOK – Flames Unfiltered |INSTAGRAM – Flames Unfiltered | TikTok – flames.unfiltered
NHL #HockeyX #TalkinHockey #HockeyPodcast #Flames #cofred #nhlflames #calgaryflames #YYC #FireItUp
*Produced by Inside Edge Hockey News Media Group
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Episode Transcript
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Everybody, Welcome to another episode of Flames Unfiltered. Were House,
Brad Burrard and myself, Kyle Lewis. It's summer. There's not
a lot happening, Brad, so the heart.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Of the summer and the heart of nothing to talk about.
But we're here, and there is actually some things we
need to We need to We need to mull over
a few things as we uh sit in this offseason,
and one wonder what the hell is team's gonna look
like come October.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I think we have a pretty good idea right now,
but it seems like all the insiders of late have
been saying how like we should expect lots of trade
activity and lots of stuff's gonna happen, and we're all
just kind of like, you know, waiting and waiting, and
nothing's happening.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't see that, do you. I would like, I mean,
I don't want a ton of stuff, but I'd like
a little bit of tweaks here and there. I like
dat the Anderson things salt, But boy, I just I
don't know. I don't It's pretty quiet everywhere right now,
Like I mean, it's pretty pretty quiet.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, that's the only thing on my wish list is
to Vinie Anderson. Thing resolved. But well, I mean apart
from a wolf extension and Asari extension, but I mean
other than that, I find like I'm wearing like a
new flame sweater that I got on sale on Fanatics,
but it's so dead. It's like now I find myself
like doing some retail therapy, like buying flame shit that
I don't need.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I got one too, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I love it, yeah, and I got more coming. Actually
I had to ship some of it the Jim Gadro's
house because it costs just so much and duty to
bring it up from the States. I don't know why
I can't get the same stuff here for a decent price.
So I know he's sitting in his house now, so
I'm gonna go down and get He's gonna bring it
here or something.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
But anyway, I get stuff like I'll always be on
like the Flame story, you know, and I'll and it
cost me an arm and a leg and get to
get stuff sent to me. But it just it always
seems like I want stuff from that place too, instead
of like the NHL shop.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't know, you just gotta go to the sales
section though that's the key. There's always insane deals, right,
and you can just find something cool. So I guess
since you mentioned uh costing an arm and a leg,
that's a pretty good segue into a little bit of
fires from this created on social media this week. Regarding
the sports Net Plus service, which many many people in
(02:34):
and outside of Calgary use to watch Flames games. You
don't have the service, right because you're in the States.
It's not available there, is that, correct?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
No, it's not, you know. I will tell you though,
I did years ago, just like make up a bunch
of accounts, like like I was in Canada and did it,
and uh it worked fine, but it was just a
pain in the ass to watch, you know. So I
do watch the sports Net broadcast, usually through through ESPN
Plus and a couple other maneuvering that I've I've had
(03:02):
to do to be able to get to watch the
Flames rein post and everything that I that I want
to do. So yeah, I've I've figured out roundabouts in
the States.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Ah man, somebody said the word round about the day
of that song stuck in my head by yes, and
you just said it and did it again.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Oh but.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So I used to use NHL service and it was available,
and actually quite enjoyed it because the archive was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It was unreal and you know what else I liked
about it. On my TV, when I'd pull it up,
you would have all the other games down below and
the stores and I literally could just arrow down and
go right to that game.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You you could quad screen it too, have four games
on once and choose your audio.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It was.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It was so good. Yeah, So sportsnt plus in terms
of you know, the age bren where everybody is a
streaming service and you need multiple streaming services to watch
whatever it is you enjoy because everybody always has like
the one show you want or the one selection of
movies you want whatever. In an age of streaming services,
(04:07):
sports net plus is one of the poorest quality ones
I've used. It's leggy, it's clunky, one of the dumbest things.
And I can't understand this, whether it's on an Xbox,
on a smart TV, whatever I watch it on. You
can't go like you can't exit out of the app properly,
like you just have to switch inputs and shit like
that would happen. Like It's just it was a horrible service.
(04:28):
So if it was an excellent service, I could justify
paying more money for it. So for those of you
who don't know them, likely many of you do, the
service went seventy five dollars. So when seventy five dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Who forty nine, it looks like plus taxes, which is
a lot in Canada to three twenty four ninety nine
plus taxes. Yeah, that's a that's an eighty dollars increase
and a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, unless there's evidence that it's going to be way
way better. Because like I like, I'm five minutes behind
some watching on live television when I'm using it because
it's so leggy.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So do you have to like, and I follow myself
doing this, I have to have my phone flipped upside
down because and the volume off on my phone otherwise
I'll get tweet notifications of a goal prior to it happening,
and it piss me off.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh I don't have notifications on it for just that reason. Right,
It's maddening. It's absolutely maddening, but yeah, it's It's the
point is it's a shitty service, and because it's a
shitty service, there's no wady to justify this increase, which
I was talking to an iNHL scode about yesterday. I
was talking to a bunch of people in hockey media
about it. It's an ex players, a bunch of fans
(05:42):
obviously on NextUp, but freaking out like this is a big,
big deal, so they better come, you know, come to
bat with a hell of a better service, or they're
just kind of deal with the fact that many of us,
myself included, I've already canceled and it's like, all right,
I don't need this, I'll find another way to watch
the games, and.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
There will be alternative ways. I mean, I hate to
say that because you want to support the networks that
support the league, but I mean, you know, you know,
and I think if Sports and Plus came out with
a thing and said, hey, it's gonna be just modeled
after the old NHL APP, I mean I think a
lot of people would be like, yeah, I can play
that game because that was good and that wasn't clunky, right,
(06:17):
and and and maybe I can maybe I can swing it, right,
But I don't know, like you said that, when the
service keeps getting worse, keeps going up.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, I don't. I mean, we can wait, we can't
do that in our line of work, can't we No,
I wish two things that matter in sales, price and service.
You damn well better have one of them, and you
better hope to have both. Ideally, but you're gonna have either.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You gotta have. You gotta have number one. I think
even over price is service. And that being said, if
the service was going to be blockbuster, you would pay
blockbuster price. But if it's not, if it's going to
be an inadequate service, like it better be damn cheap
then right.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, this is what causes people to go splitting services too, right,
A lot of people. I'd use my sportsntplus subscription at
one point or another, and that's the only way I
justify now is going with a group of people. But
then of course they'll do some kind of an IP
block and only one household can have it or some
stupid thing like ify the service is doing so anyway,
it's it's it's a shame, but yeah, I'm not renewing it.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So in the US, just if this one, if this
wants to upset you a little bit, Albeit, the ESPN
service is garbage too, it is, I mean, you have
to wade through thirty seven lacrosse games, three hundred and
twenty basketball games, and forty two UFC fights to find
(07:44):
the hockey games. But when you do find them, the
service I believe I pay. I believe I pay four
ninety nine a month. Maybe wrong, maybe seven ninety nine
a month. It's part of my phone service, to believe
that or not. And and you get every you get,
every gate, you do, get every NHL game. The only
(08:06):
ones I wouldn't get is like a nationally broadcast game
in the States, which is two nights a week, three
a week, and that's never Calgary. So I mean when
you dial out the price on that, it is considerably
cheaper than sports Net Plus.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Absolutely. Yeah, this is just it's a gragious there's no
need of it. There's no like, I don't know how
they could possibly justify that type of an increase. I
would have preferred a statement, explain to me why it's
going up so much, But with no justification, it's like,
this is an easy choice.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah. If they would have, if any if they would
have shown you screenshots or videos of what it's going
to be like, I think people would have would have
taken the increase a little bit more positively.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right, that seems like we're just paying for Vladi Guirro
Junior's contract in Toronto, is what it seems like.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But anyway, that's probably what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's the same company, so it's not the craziest I've heard.
But anyway, let's talk about something else expensive, something that
I did the other day, which was what was also stupid.
So I had a long day. I did like a
lot of physical stuff and I was just exhausted. So
I threw some wandering in the wash and I went
to bed. I was laying in bed, had my eyes closed,
(09:18):
and all of a sudden, bang, my eyes just shot open.
I was like, oh, no, my AirPods are in the
washing machine.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And I went downstairs and it's just like this, almost
like this helpless scene. Right. I got my face up
against the door looking in at the washing machine all
like this, like the soap and water and the doors. Anyway,
I was able to drain it, get them out of there,
let them dry out, put one in my ear of
the day. So I had to hop on Amazon order
(09:47):
a new pair for two hundred and some odd dollars
and the shut up Friday. But just so I don't
usually do that. I usually check my pockets like at
the end of every day. And ah, and I don't
even like the new ones as.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Much I love my I mean, I use my AirPods
a ton one my second set. I don't know that
i'd see a better from the new ones to the
old ones?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Did you did you wash your old ones? Is that what?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I No, I don't even know why I bought a
new set. I don't even know why. That's a good question.
But yeah, although my my son washed, they don't work
after you do that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Uh, apparently a lot of people did though that that
gave me like a tremendous amount of false hope that
they'd be okay, oh, stick them in the bowl of rice,
put some silica packets, and they're like, I did all that, man,
like you name it, I did it, and to no avail.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Like logic of speaking though, like I don't know, I mean,
like I know, I've heard of people dropping their phones
in water and then putting it in rice and then
it worked, and like how the hell you think it
would short the inside of it out? But who knows you.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Would you would think? I mean, I don't like I
was actually kind of made me think when I was
out with Zach Castillon during the Hockey Heroes weekend, his
phone got broken. He had no idea how able the
screen is like half black. Well, I'm not the only
that does stupid things, but it's not that stupid for
him because he has a lot more money than I do. Right,
so new phone is probably nothing to him, but anyway,
(11:10):
probably not. Well it happens. Anyway. That was my little
foray into my unfortunate ins in this week. But let's
let's get back on the hockey talk.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Preseason schedules out eight games for the seven games for
the Flames. No regular season schedule yet. Last year, I
believe we got it on like the second of July,
which irritated the hell on me because it was like
during free agent frenzy, they're shooting out with the schedule.
I'm like, what are you guys doing. We're still waiting
for that, still waiting to make plans and things like that.
(11:40):
So that'll be exciting. I'm assuming we'll see that probably
this week. We saw some signings this week. You want
to talk about those?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Sure, by a way, where which one do you want
to go with?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I guess this one wasn't this week. This is July second,
but it's been since we talked. Morgan Frost signs with
the Flames a two year extension four point three seven five.
Your thoughts and feelings on that. Signing a little.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
More money than I would have thought, but I don't
not unhappy about it. The term is pretty much exactly
what I thought. We don't really know what Morgan Frost is.
If he buried half the chances he generates, he'd be
a seventy point scorer in the league, but he hasn't
really done that yet. But I like the player a lot.
I was really excited, as you were too, obviously when
he was acquired him in Fairby. So the contract makes
(12:29):
sense for the player and for the team, which I
know is super cliche, but that's just the facts of
the matter. I think he's gonna have a big season,
though honestly, I've seen him being a fifty sixty point guy.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
He had so many chances last year. It's like, I
don't know how he can't start burying those. And I'm
sitting here trying to figure out what is shooting percentages here?
Let me find it. Shooting percentage last year was nine
point seven. That's not good.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's not terrible either, necessarily, but I mean I think
it tanked a lot when he when he got to go,
I really expected he was going to be a little more,
not really a prolific score, but a consistent score, and
he was anything but. So but you know, big change
opposite side of the continent, the middle of the season,
middle of the game. No less. Yeah, so at least
(13:16):
on the Calgary side. But it just it was a
really kind of hectic time for him. I'm sure. So
getting a full training campner's belt with the flamespug a
long ways towards sensuring as a successful season. But I'm
excited he's one of the players I really have an
eye on the season too.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah. I wasn't upset by the dollar mo on. The
trim was perfect actually because it does give us exactly
what we want. I mean, we're going to know everything
by the end of this year and then we can
act accordingly with it. I you know, here's the deal.
I was thinking more like four or three point seventy five.
So what's four point three really change?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well, I don't think that Conroy and you know, his
brass really cared either. I think they basically had in
their head here's a general number one to go in at,
and frost A probably pushed him to go a little
bit more because there's so little risk because of his age,
because of the term. So I think it's just probably
the easiest contract signing Congress. But we probably had since
he became GM.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Another contract signed, this one on the ninth. Sam Morton
left winger, center slash. We don't know yet to a
one year, two way extension. What was it seven, seven
seventy five.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I think I believe yes, Yeah, he kind of got
forgotten a little bit, and the you know, with Park
debuting and Sineev and Prista Vicham as well PRISTEVITCHI he's
I don't know what Sam Morton is. I think he's
going to be the very least a very good AHL player,
But I think he's good. If he he's gonna be
(14:46):
one of the last cuts in camp. I think unless
he makes the team, which he variable beaud especially now
that Kevin Rooney is not going to be back. There's
we've talked before about how there's not much room in
this team, but Morton's going to push hard for a spot.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I think so he's you know, we have a lot
of guys this year. It's like, all right, we're gonna
get to see what they what they are this year.
And I think Sam Morton may be one of them.
And he was a college free agent signing that just
like walker Doer was right and it took us a
little while to figure out walker Doer, and uh, now
we get to figure out Sam Morton.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean I'm excited for him. I think he's
Calgary's had a lot of like low key interesting signings
and he was one of them at Carter King's another
one that comes to mind. There's gonna be some surprises,
as there always isn't camping. I could see Morton being
one of those. He's a really responsible two way player
at every other level so far. So we'll see, we'll
(15:38):
see how it pans out. But kind of a business
usual signing though nothing too exciting about it, but a
good one, nontheless.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Things have been this whole summer so far, as we're
kind of in business as usual, and we have one
significant RFA that hangs out there and that's Connor's Area
twenty three year olds, Slender Center, Slash. We don't know
wing he not arbitrary, not arbitration eligible, so we don't
need to worry about that. I feel like this will
(16:07):
get done soon. I'm just not sure what direction this
one goes and where do you see it going. Do
you see it going you know, two years, or do
you see it going four years or more.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I'd love it to be long term, I think the
role of the player, but based on his desire to
cash in at some point, I suspect it's going to
be relatively short term. Now. If he saw the article
in Flames Nation by Robert Robert Munich about ensuring the
Flames don't make the same mistake with Connor Zary that
they did with Sam Bennett, excellent cautionary piece. Zari's shown
(16:39):
very very well with highly toted prospect, arguably the Flame's
most creative offensive player at this point, based like remember
his goal in the first first part of the season
overtime against the first game of the season against the canopicis. Yeah,
he does things like that regularly. They don't always turn
into a goal, but you know, certainly he creates a
(17:00):
lot of offense. And I just feel like, if we
don't get him signed, if he was traded for whatever reason,
we would regret it in very very short order, very
short order.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I've been frustrated a couple of times this year when
I've seen albeit they were rumors surface on trades with
his name involved, and I'm like, we can't give up
on this guy right away. And I think I loved
what I saw on his rookie year last year. I
kind of look at last year as kind of a
write off year for him with the two injuries and
two significant injuries too. So I'm not sure where I
(17:35):
go with this one. I maybe see it being like
a two year, three point five million dollar deal. I'd
be surprised to see it a five year deal or
anything greater than that. I guess. I don't know. It'll
be interesting to see where this one goes. But I
do think this this does get wrapped up in the
near future.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's not funny how quickly things change, though, because didn't
didn't I see the other day, Look what's our cap space,
like thirteen and a half million or something. Yeah, it's
not It's really not a lot if you consider like
if Zaria gets a decent raise, all I got locked up,
which is good.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
But it's not as much as Like, you know, I
think last year we just sat and felt like we
gathered so much cap and we did really But now
I mean, when Anderson comes off the books, that'll save
another four But yeah, it is, it's not as big
as what we thought because we do have to get
(18:32):
Zari in on that and and you know next year
we need to get Wolf signed and you know, time
will tell what that's what that's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
It's gonna be a lot of money, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's interesting because a lot of the discussion and amongst
people talking trades has been about taking on a bad contract. Well,
the room to do so is actually a lot less
of what it originally appeared to be. It wasn't that
long ago we were talking about what twenty one twenty
two million in gas space. You know, we're almost to
the single just now, and actually after the Zeri extension
we will be in single digits. Yeah, that's gonna be
(19:05):
four a million plus, I would think.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And on the term, like I mean, if it's four years,
I think, you know, four point five five million is
probably the thing. If it's a two year deal, I
don't see it being more than three point five just
based off comparisons.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I mean, well, nobody's gonna agree with the Flames are
not going to commit. He's not going to commit long
term unless he was willing to take a ridiculously low number,
which like any player wouldn't, He's not going to, right,
So that's going to be fascinating to see.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
That one's gonna Yeah, but you're right, the cap space
has a slowly, slowly disintegrated. Not not to a level
or we need to be concerned or anything, but.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Uh, well they got it. And that's that's what Robert
was saying in his article again on on Flamestation was
don't dick the player around. Don't put him on the
fourth line, then the third line, and the first and
the second, like find him a home. And to be
honest with you, I would love to see him center
Huberto and Coronado and Kadri's more to it. And now
I'm not saying he's ready for that necessarily, but I
do think he could do it and do well at it.
(20:04):
But the point being is like, you can't keep shuffling
him around and like, oh what do we do with
this guy? And they reference and actually embedded the video
where uh Pender and everybody's talking to Conroy about what
happened with Sam Bennett and why it wants the wrong
connors Ari has a lot of things in common with
Sam Bennett and hopefully being misused by the Colgar flames.
(20:24):
It does not become one of them.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I don't. I don't think it will be. I don't.
I don't. Hopefully note that leads me into I want
to talk about the new CBA here in a little bit,
but that I also kind of gathered up a couple
of questions for you, like off season flames questions, and
I kind of want to get your take on a
couple of things, and and the Tsari talk kind of
leads me into my first one, and that is, after
(20:49):
what you've seen with Connor Zary, do you think he
has a do you think he is a legitimate center
or is he a winger?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
We don't really know yet. I think he'll be just
fine as a center, but that's this this is the
season where that's going to become established.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So do you think he's a number one center?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
That's even more difficult.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That's what I thought too, because I don't see him
as a number one center and number two probably not
I don't know, but I think if you have him
on the third fourth line, you're waisting him. So I
don't know that a better fit isn't on the wing
for him.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
It kind of feels maybe it's just because we don't
have very many good centers traditionally. It feels like we
just keep converting centers and the wingers and ruining the trajectory.
So I hope they did. They keep pushing him to
be a center. I hope, and I mean in terms
of where he would slot. I think he's absolutely going
to be a number two center, number one. There's already
so few of those legitimate ones as it is, right.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, if he's our number one center, I mean on
this is not a slight on him, but if he's
our number one center, we've got some lineup issues.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Unless he has a year and you know, surpasses anybody's expectations, which.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Doesn't look like it makes me look like an idiot.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I hope he does make you look at look an idiot,
because that'd be good for all of us.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Great. My next question, who's going to be the Flames
backup this year? Oh? Wow, that's it's a tough one. Yeah,
interesting to see to see what COOLi is, right, I mean,
it just is. He looks so promising as our backup,
(22:29):
and then after that injury, he just did not come
back the same goalie.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, this competition is huge six foot five and has
like more iNHL experience, but also tapered off before he
kind of fell off a cliff when he left the
NHL went to the KHL where he was hugely successful.
So I don't think I'd love to see it be
COOLi because he's so likable. I remember how much fun
that wasn't training camp? All the videos and stuff, A.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Lot of good clips, wasn't it. There's a lot of
talk about him, Yeah, just a lot of it because
of his interviews and stuff, and yeah, it was that
was fun.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah. Yeah, man, I don't know. I'd like it to
be him, like it just said, But I don't. I
don't know. I see it being uh Presotov, I really do.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, me too, I do too, And I think that
might be the safer pick, right.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, not the ones A great bet, and I mean
it's a it's hard to imagine they wouldn't be a
downgrade for Ladara considering Ladar played last season, especially the.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Second half, but everybody thinks it's a downgrade. Yeah, we'd
be kidding ourselves and not. And the thing he is
too is like, you know, I thought the team the
one thing I really think the team didn't like I
did a masterful job of last year was integrating Wolf
to the number one position. I mean, they worked really,
really precisely at the beginning of the year, sheltering him
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in certain games, working him in other ones, giving him
back to back and some when he was when he
was feeling it right. I just I really think the
goaltending team and coaching staff did a really good job
of working that, working him in to situations to build confidence,
to build comfort, and protecting him appropriately. And then at
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the end of the year there was no protection needed
right because he had developed into that. And this year
I do think, as much as I have high hopes
for Wolf, I still think there's gonna be some hurdles
this year for him. I do.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Depends on what the defense looks like. Largely, I think
I kind of felt like the team was a little
a little slow. Christian is the Number one. I think
it could happen a little bit sooner, but overall, I
didn't I thought they had him quite well as well.
But the defense. And it's funny because this July's player
on the Flames calendar is dni near Mattoff, who I'd
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love to think is a dark horse to have a
major bounce back and secure a full time NHL job,
But I'm not convinced that will happen. But yeah, it's
gonna depend larger than the defense. If Kevin Ball is
healthy all year, that'll obviously be a huge help along
with Wiger. If Hanley can do eighty percent of what
he did last year, that would be great. Uh, there's
a lot of there's a lot of kind of what
ifs because the d is fairly thin. And yeah, Wolf
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maend up looking like ROBERTA. Lawonko on those really Florida days.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
What a segue, Kyle. So my next question is is
Miromanoff a viable defensive option for the Flames next year? Dave?
Look at that?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Ah, I should Actually a good friend of mine is
a good friend of his and previously coached him. I
should ask him what his thoughts that gives. You know,
has he been in the gym a lot? Is he
talking about just wants to change the scenery? Does he
wanted to be a flame he's prop well, yeah, I
think he does have more to prove than anybody else
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on that d going into the season. I'm not going
to include preking that because Preca is the job's his.
He's such a talent. There's there's the whorls from the
go other than the NHL, although defensively, I think he's
gonna have quite a waste to go. I'm gonna say no,
I want it to be yes. But there's just only
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a couple of moments where it's like, Wow, this guy
looks capable, or he had a good stick, or he
scored a really nice short side snipe that I remember.
I just he's never put it all together though in
the NHL, and I just I don't see any real
reason why that's gonna change. Do you think he is.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
No, I don't at all. He did have he did
have like those flashes right where it's like, oh boy.
But you know what scares me about that is all
those flashes we saw of him were all offense. Did
you ever see a defensive like play that he made
that you're just like, oh yeah, No. Most of the
time the defensive plays were holy crap, Why did you
let that guy walk right up by him in the slot?
(26:44):
You know? Yeah, that's the sad part, and that's what's
got me sitting here going, Okay, well, I'd rather have
a breustovitchin. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, he got may Mount, he trained. He changed positions
so late relatively speaking, that I don't know that he
was ever set up to succeed as an NHL defenseman necessarily,
but obviously the team scouted him plenty before the hand
offin trade. And I mean he is still largely the
centerpiece of that.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And I still think, you know what, I still think
if you look at his skill wise and his talent
and his skating ability to wise, do you not agree
he has giant upside, right? I mean I'm not he does.
I just but I'm just like, okay, well, how long
before we start to see progression in that well?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And he's kind of get lost in the shuffles, as
one does when you have all these good prospects come there, right,
another deep draft goes by the other guys in the
previous year of another year under their belt, Guys like
Parak will graduate, for Stavich could very well graduate, to
say nothing of other dark horses like Krishnakoff and other
guys solavoy Off because nets Off, there's a lot, a lot,
(27:51):
a lot of defensemen who could take a spot. That's
the only part of the team that's kind of wide
open after especially after Arrison gets traded, depending what he
gets traded.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Four.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But there's there's some space on that decoor for somebody
to emerge. And I don't I guess not the one
of us believe right now it's gonna be mirror man Off.
It is prrect on the opening night roster, no question,
Do you agree.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I do. I think they've already penciled him in, especially
if Anderson's gone. I just hope though, that they put
him with, like on the third line with a Handley.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I think it's gonna be a third third pairing. And
I think he's gonna get power play time. Yeah, because
he's so he's so good to the power play. I mean,
that's where you want to grow his confidence. But defensively,
you're gonna have to shelter a bit, and I think
that is I'm confident that's the plan.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah. Yeah, I worry a little bit, you know what,
I'm gonna worry three years from now if that was
his initial because the knock on him from the beginning
has been defensive issues. And let's hope that they have
continued to improve, and I think they have through juniors,
and I'm excited. I'm this guy's a top end talent
(28:59):
and this is going to be, you know, with the
right attitude. I think, a cornerstone piece for this organization.
So I think this sky's a limit, right, There's.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
No question at all about that best defensive prospect the
team's had since Fough and the best offensive defensive prospect
they've maybe ever had.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Really, I I would agree. I would agree because I
look back at all that and I'm like, I cannot
ever remember drafting an offensive I mean, I sit and
I look at like the hype that we gave VALLAMACKI like,
I thought that guy was going to be the next great,
you know, and I have the talent that perecas now
(29:46):
and I'm like, well, hey, this guy's upsides even even bigger, right,
So uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So unique, yeah, so you need and so rangy when
he has the park and creative yeah, it's yeah, nobody
else is really on that level of Alamachi. I had
been excited for a lot of different reasons, and it's
still kind of bunce me out when I think about
what should have been there.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
But it is. I predicted him one year. I can't
remember what year it was. I predicted him to be
the rookie of the year. Boy he got like fifteen
games that year. Anyway, two more questions, three more questions.
Does Anderson get moved this summer?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I sure hope so uh hm hmm by training camp
so kind of summer.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, okay, I am so deathly afraid that this one's
gonna get drug out and the return sucks.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I think with the nature of injuries and progression through
camp and through the start of the season, somebody's gonna
poone me up with the big offer.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
So somebody, some team's gonna off to a slow start
or make a coaching change or something. They will be
the act as impetus for saying, you know what, we
need to get this guy, and they're gonna call Craig
and say, Okay, what's it gonna take. We'll give you
a first B level prospect and a roster player or
like a project player. Maybe like there'd be something that'd
be fairly enticing. I don't think they're gonna make the
mistake of letting this go to the trade deadline, because
(31:13):
then you get in that you know, that weird hole
to be keep them for a playoff runt because we're close.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Oh I know, yeah, So I see there's many ton
of rumors on nosen Kadri. Do you think that there's
any chance he gets.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Moved only if the team sucks by the deadline. He
doesn't want to go anywhere and they don't really want
to trade him, and if they trade him, then what
the hell do we do?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You know what? That is probably the smartest thing I've
heard all week. Why I even deal with it right
now because I'm all about moving him in green and assets,
but it's probably the best way is just he's a
perfect deadline move, right.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
He'd be the most sought after player at the deadline
for a playoff bound team. There's nobody you could want
to acquire more in my mind than play does Caudre's
get some you know, seriously plays on the edge to
a fault in his younger years.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I feel like there's only two teams he would agree
to go to Toronto, Toronto and Colorado.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I think for the right fit, he'd go elsewhere, but
I mean, yeah, Vegas wouldn't have the space. But there's
I mean, Toronto fans have been clamoring for him to
bring him back because he's literally the antithesis of a
Mitch Murner, somebody who at the very least is perceived
and I want to be careful how worded was, because
I don't know the guy, but perceived as soft is
a bit of a baby. Caudrey is known to be
(32:35):
hard nose, plays in the edge, like I said, So
that's one of the reasons they're so desperate to bring
him back after and you'll remember they basically chased him
into town for his playoff suspensions, right they didn't. But
that's true, that's true, and that's the fault to Caudrey's
because that's I mean, it is and it isn't. That's
also just Toronto sports, right. It's one of the reasons
Maurner is gonna pop off and have one hundred points
in Vegas and short just to get away from the pressure, right,
(32:55):
and good for him playoffs. Not sure what he'll do,
but Caudrey, I don't see any benefit for a team
that tied for the last playoff spot. I don't see
any tangible benefit unless it's a massive haul to trade
Cadre before the earliest being the the the deadline.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, that's that's a really really strong point. One final question,
and we're gonna talk about the CBA. I was going
through the lineups and I was looking at the depth
charts and just kind of playing around with what I
would do right with the forwards, the defense, we've already
said that's up in the air. What would you who
(33:34):
is your if today was the opening night, who would
you put at fourth line center? Because I think I
found my guy.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I think Morton's a possibility, But who's your guy?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I was going through it, and I'm just like, this
spot is absolutely perfect from Martin Pospissel. He showed more,
he showed an upside its center this year. He can
win some face offs. He's we played with him on
literally every single line in every single situation possible, and
(34:10):
he's showed good at certain times and not good at
other times. Right he plays on the edge, I mean,
does does a fourth line of hospital centering? Klapka and
Lomberg not look enticing.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It does? Although I have concerns about Lombard playing that
many games again, for sure, for Surele and Klapka, And
this is one of the reasons I want to belchie back.
He would have been great on a line like that,
just for the energy to create and the puck movement
and they're checking and all that. But yeah, I could
see it. I mean Pastpasol was what do you have
(34:45):
last year? Five goals? I think, Oh, I got.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
It right in front of me. Uh four? Four?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Jeez. Yeah, I couldn't put a puck in an ocean.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He only won his face offs. Maybe I'm not.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, but he didn't play a lot of seatent a
lot of center though, So I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
True.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, so we'll Yeah, I could see it. I mean,
because he's been kind of thrown in over his head
on the top couple of lines at times, I think
I've already determined that that's not the best place for him.
I mean, god knows, a year and a half ago,
we didn't think this guy was an NHL player, right,
So no, two years ago, yeah, none of it, and
nobody did. I can't think of a single person thought
that's the next guy that should be calling up. I
never heard that argument no.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
When he came up, I think a lot of us
were like, what you know.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah? So uh CBA, the NHL and the NHLPA ratified
a four year collective bargain agreement through twenty nine thirty,
which surprised me that then it went this smoothly and
this quickly. Let's touch on some of the high points.
I guess eighty two game regular season instead our eighty
(35:56):
four game regular season instead of eighty two, reduced preseason
down to four. I really don't like this. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I like producing the preseason. I don't agree with eighty
four games.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
No. If I had my way, if I could change,
I honestly this might be my Outside of more in
whites at home, I think the number one thing I
would change is that I would say, you start September
tenth instead of October seventh, and we're done in the
middle of May instead of the end of June. And
(36:28):
I don't know, I just I don't know why there
was such a push for eighty four. I don't understand
that deal. Well.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I think the rationale from the it's give and takes
a boy shortening the preseason. I think a lot of
the players. Now they can have the performance bonuses easier
with two more games, but I still don't like it.
And I'll tell you and hopefully at some point I
can experience this and tell you my actual thoughts. Calgary
was in the Cup Final in four and they were
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done by the first week of June, which still felt late,
and I was still into it this second week of June.
Shit has got to stop. It's exhausting. And what I'm
saying is, if Calgary was to make the finals and
it wins seven games, I'm starting to question how invested
I would be in by that point in June, because
it's like it's beautiful outside. It's been such a long season,
like this should be done by the end of May.
(37:16):
There's no question about that. The players are not getting
a long enough break. But what they did is they
shortened it at the wrong end by shortening the preseason.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, you'll report September one, and we start game September tenth,
and we're done May fifteenth.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
It's hot in Edmonton in June.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Like these ice plants in these arenas, I know they're
state of the air, but like this is there's just
no need of it, Like, there's just no freaking need
of it.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
We have like the best playoffs in the world, The
Sounding Cup playoffs are better than any other league, so
we can't shorten it. It's just that we can't. Well,
we could the finals this year. We're stupid about the
scheduling with extra days off and stuff. But we we
just have to. We just have to get this done sooner.
We just do. We just we just do. This is
(38:00):
a winter sport. We're ready. Everybody's ready September one, right,
we get through the gold rooms of August, We're ready
September one to have camps open. We're not. We don't
need to wait till October one. And because I'd rather
be playing hockey in September than i would June.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And that's yeah, oh man, it's just it's so frustrating.
So this is the other thing that we should talk about,
uh the draft mm hmm. So again apparently because the
owners wanted to. I think do decentralized again next year.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I think general managers want.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It anyway, Yeah, it was And I'm trying to think
of everything I've ever watched in my life so I
can make sure everything to throw here, the worst, most
poorly presented, contrived, a bunch of bullshit I've ever watched
in my life. It was horrendous. The picks were super slow,
Liberty cameos were senseless and annoying and contrived. Uh, there's
(39:05):
no draft floor deals, which are the hallmark of any
good draft, any good draft, even if you go to
three that stack draft, if any trade at all, is exciting.
When bet once day we have a trade to announce,
and the ones I announced at this thing, it's like
it's like you're watching the Truman Show or something like.
It was just you're living in the Truman Show. Rather
it is. It was horrible, horrible, horrible, the worst television
(39:26):
I have ever watched.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Now, and I'm a pro wrestling fan, so take that
into consideration. I'm not messing around here.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It was uncomfortable and I didn't like it, and.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
You know, it's like going to the dentist. It was
just eh, eh.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I don't know, I'm I know. Betman does not like
this method.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
It sucks. It's the worst thing. Well, Betman, you know,
despite all the critique, he takes a lot of it rightfully.
So he does try to sell this game big time
and do this with the draft kills it.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It's awful.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Also kills it for the players. The players should be
there with all of their peers, with all of the
team's brass. Like that video screen that was the most
cringe worthy part. Oh little audio delay when he's talking
to whatever team drafted him. It's like, what the hell
are we doing?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
This is twenty twenty five. What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So next year? Because I fell asleep four times by
my account during the last draft, I will not be watching.
I will watch the picks on X I will text
you to find out who the picks were. I will
do something other than watch. I promise you that.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
It was bad.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It was really bad, horrendous.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I want to talk about in the CBA this year.
Now there's a provision and starting in twenty six twenty seven,
there's a new provision in the CBA that'll allow each
NHL team to place one nineteen year old CHL player
in the AHL per season. What was your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Uh, Well, a long time coming, because I think we
all kind of knew it, especially with like things like
the OHL doing exceptional player status for quite some time now,
Like there's certain players that aren't quite ready for the
NHL but are too good to be in junior And
I think that's kind of where this comes from.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I've I always wondered why there's regulations on this, because
if it's your minor league team and you have a
contract with that team, you should be able to play
on their minor league team no matter what.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
The only thing I can think is because it's it's
a bit of a rougher league, there's a lot of
busting and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Exactly, So then if he's not ready, you don't place
him there, right, That's up to the team's discretion though, right.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm okay because I think
it's going to help a lot of players development. It's
just interesting how I don't know if you'd call this
the evolution of the game or we just can never
quite get it right, these little changes, like it just
it never stops. Yeah, Like the best change of sports
they ever made was the pitching clock in baseball. Oh man,
(42:03):
that was the best thing they ever ever did. And
in hockey, I don't know what the equivalent is yet.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I don't think we need to speed the game up.
We just we if I if I think about it,
I'll come up with something.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Well, if you want to speed it up, you know
what you don't do you don't watch a game on
Sports Net Plus.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So there you go, as we go back to that
full circle.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, I also might have precluded either of us from
everything I have a career in in Rogers media broadcasting
by by saying what I've said. But that's okay. I'm
okay with who I am in my choices.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
We should be able to say our thoughts right.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Well, especially when thousands of people are echoing them.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
The people that drives me crazy is we're not allowed
to speak our thoughts anymore. Like we all should have
be able to have an opinion. We all may not
agree with that opinion, but like we all should be able.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
To have constructive criticism. I work with a guy who
was terrible at it, Yeah, terrible at it and he
and and it's it's one of his biggest flaws, he he,
he just he can't take criticism, and sometimes it's what
you need.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Anyway, So the other thing that we need to talk about,
because God knows, you've seen it and I've seen it
probably two hundred times now, is a Nick Turnasci video
the golf course.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh, I don't even know what I think.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Well, if you watch the the whole thing, the guy
definitely was wasted and belligerent and kind of had it coming.
My favorite part was that somebody who golfed there a
day or so later played a little white flag. Yeah,
r I P. Do you see that? That was awesome?
That was awesome. Anyway, don't mess around with the golf
of course, folks.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
What did you think of Mysa going to uh DE
Penn State in the NCAA.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I didn't hear about his reasons why. I'm not sure.
I mean, it's obviously education is part of the consideration,
but I.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Think it's just a play against more men, right, I
mean the NCAA is the average age is starting. I
mean the starting point is usually twenty years old, and
it's usually twenty to twenty five year olds. In the NCAA.
Is you're playing against men, it's a better proving ground.
I guess then the CHL would be in that aspect.
(44:20):
Thus that's where McKenna's going too. He's going to Penn
State too, which surprises me because if you follow NCAA
hockey like I do, I mean, Penn State wasn't even
a team like ten years ago. They were in the ACHA.
But that's what big university money and craziness will do.
And reports are that McKenna's getting seven hundred thousand this
(44:41):
year in nil money, which I think is a ludicrous,
but that's where it's at in this Today's an ah.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Well, it sucks for the ginger teams to lose these
guys because their ability to sell tickets is.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Going to be there is there's going to be a
giant shift in both Canadian and American junior hockey over
the next three years. It's gonna it'll all work out
in the end. I do believe it'll all work out
in the end. I just do think there'll be a
giant shift in it.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Because of this, I am inclined to agree. I mean,
it's gonna have to right, it.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Has right, and I don't necessarily like it because I
like the way it was. But who knows, maybe five
years from now we'll have a different opinion on it.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Right, possibly, wait and see. It's all we can do, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Right, Well, you're ready to get on with the summer day?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, I think it's hot up, But I'm an outside
a little while, so I really can't remember.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
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Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, and as soon as we have some news, God willing,
soon there'll be some news that they can will be
jumping back on. As soon as that is to to
talk about that. But in the meantime, we do have
a much more special episodes coming up, and if you
have any topics you'd like us to cover, please let
us know. There's always looking for new ideas, right.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
That is right, Special episodes ahead, and yeah we'll jump
in with a live episode, or not a live episode,
but a pertinent news information episode as something happens, she
hasn't happened, suck all right, Kyle, you have a grey
day and enjoy the rest of it your weekend, and
iowles here as well.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
We'll talk to you guys here man jump.
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Brad Burrard and myself, Kyle Lewis. It's summer. There's not
a lot happening, Brad, so the heart.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Of the summer and the heart of nothing to talk about.
But we're here, and there is actually some things we
need to We need to We need to mull over
a few things as we uh sit in this offseason,
and one wonder what the hell is team's gonna look
like come October.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I think we have a pretty good idea right now,
but it seems like all the insiders of late have
been saying how like we should expect lots of trade
activity and lots of stuff's gonna happen, and we're all
just kind of like, you know, waiting and waiting, and
nothing's happening.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I don't see that, do you. I would like, I mean,
I don't want a ton of stuff, but I'd like
a little bit of tweaks here and there. I like
dat the Anderson things salt, But boy, I just I
don't know. I don't It's pretty quiet everywhere right now,
Like I mean, it's pretty pretty quiet.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, that's the only thing on my wish list is
to Vinie Anderson. Thing resolved. But well, I mean apart
from a wolf extension and Asari extension, but I mean
other than that, I find like I'm wearing like a
new flame sweater that I got on sale on Fanatics,
but it's so dead. It's like now I find myself
like doing some retail therapy, like buying flame shit that
I don't need.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I got one too, I love it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I love it, yeah, and I got more coming. Actually
I had to ship some of it the Jim Gadro's
house because it costs just so much and duty to
bring it up from the States. I don't know why
I can't get the same stuff here for a decent price.
So I know he's sitting in his house now, so
I'm gonna go down and get He's gonna bring it
here or something.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
But anyway, I get stuff like I'll always be on
like the Flame story, you know, and I'll and it
cost me an arm and a leg and get to
get stuff sent to me. But it just it always
seems like I want stuff from that place too, instead
of like the NHL shop.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't know, you just gotta go to the sales
section though that's the key. There's always insane deals, right,
and you can just find something cool. So I guess
since you mentioned uh costing an arm and a leg,
that's a pretty good segue into a little bit of
fires from this created on social media this week. Regarding
the sports Net Plus service, which many many people in
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and outside of Calgary use to watch Flames games. You
don't have the service, right because you're in the States.
It's not available there, is that, correct?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
No, it's not, you know. I will tell you though,
I did years ago, just like make up a bunch
of accounts, like like I was in Canada and did it,
and uh it worked fine, but it was just a
pain in the ass to watch, you know. So I
do watch the sports Net broadcast, usually through through ESPN
Plus and a couple other maneuvering that I've I've had
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to do to be able to get to watch the
Flames rein post and everything that I that I want
to do. So yeah, I've I've figured out roundabouts in
the States.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Ah man, somebody said the word round about the day
of that song stuck in my head by yes, and
you just said it and did it again.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Oh but.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So I used to use NHL service and it was available,
and actually quite enjoyed it because the archive was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
It was unreal and you know what else I liked
about it. On my TV, when I'd pull it up,
you would have all the other games down below and
the stores and I literally could just arrow down and
go right to that game.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You you could quad screen it too, have four games
on once and choose your audio.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It was.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It was so good. Yeah, So sportsnt plus in terms
of you know, the age bren where everybody is a
streaming service and you need multiple streaming services to watch
whatever it is you enjoy because everybody always has like
the one show you want or the one selection of
movies you want whatever. In an age of streaming services,
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sports net plus is one of the poorest quality ones
I've used. It's leggy, it's clunky, one of the dumbest things.
And I can't understand this, whether it's on an Xbox,
on a smart TV, whatever I watch it on. You
can't go like you can't exit out of the app properly,
like you just have to switch inputs and shit like
that would happen. Like It's just it was a horrible service.
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So if it was an excellent service, I could justify
paying more money for it. So for those of you
who don't know them, likely many of you do, the
service went seventy five dollars. So when seventy five dollars.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Who forty nine, it looks like plus taxes, which is
a lot in Canada to three twenty four ninety nine
plus taxes. Yeah, that's a that's an eighty dollars increase
and a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, unless there's evidence that it's going to be way
way better. Because like I like, I'm five minutes behind
some watching on live television when I'm using it because
it's so leggy.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So do you have to like, and I follow myself
doing this, I have to have my phone flipped upside
down because and the volume off on my phone otherwise
I'll get tweet notifications of a goal prior to it happening,
and it piss me off.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh I don't have notifications on it for just that reason. Right,
It's maddening. It's absolutely maddening, but yeah, it's It's the
point is it's a shitty service, and because it's a
shitty service, there's no wady to justify this increase, which
I was talking to an iNHL scode about yesterday. I
was talking to a bunch of people in hockey media
about it. It's an ex players, a bunch of fans
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obviously on NextUp, but freaking out like this is a big,
big deal, so they better come, you know, come to
bat with a hell of a better service, or they're
just kind of deal with the fact that many of us,
myself included, I've already canceled and it's like, all right,
I don't need this, I'll find another way to watch
the games, and.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
There will be alternative ways. I mean, I hate to
say that because you want to support the networks that
support the league, but I mean, you know, you know,
and I think if Sports and Plus came out with
a thing and said, hey, it's gonna be just modeled
after the old NHL APP, I mean I think a
lot of people would be like, yeah, I can play
that game because that was good and that wasn't clunky, right,
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and and and maybe I can maybe I can swing it, right,
But I don't know, like you said that, when the
service keeps getting worse, keeps going up.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, I don't. I mean, we can wait, we can't
do that in our line of work, can't we No,
I wish two things that matter in sales, price and service.
You damn well better have one of them, and you
better hope to have both. Ideally, but you're gonna have either.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
You gotta have. You gotta have number one. I think
even over price is service. And that being said, if
the service was going to be blockbuster, you would pay
blockbuster price. But if it's not, if it's going to
be an inadequate service, like it better be damn cheap
then right.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, this is what causes people to go splitting services too, right,
A lot of people. I'd use my sportsntplus subscription at
one point or another, and that's the only way I
justify now is going with a group of people. But
then of course they'll do some kind of an IP
block and only one household can have it or some
stupid thing like ify the service is doing so anyway,
it's it's it's a shame, but yeah, I'm not renewing it.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So in the US, just if this one, if this
wants to upset you a little bit, Albeit, the ESPN
service is garbage too, it is, I mean, you have
to wade through thirty seven lacrosse games, three hundred and
twenty basketball games, and forty two UFC fights to find
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the hockey games. But when you do find them, the
service I believe I pay. I believe I pay four
ninety nine a month. Maybe wrong, maybe seven ninety nine
a month. It's part of my phone service, to believe
that or not. And and you get every you get,
every gate, you do, get every NHL game. The only
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ones I wouldn't get is like a nationally broadcast game
in the States, which is two nights a week, three
a week, and that's never Calgary. So I mean when
you dial out the price on that, it is considerably
cheaper than sports Net Plus.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Absolutely. Yeah, this is just it's a gragious there's no
need of it. There's no like, I don't know how
they could possibly justify that type of an increase. I
would have preferred a statement, explain to me why it's
going up so much, But with no justification, it's like,
this is an easy choice.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah. If they would have, if any if they would
have shown you screenshots or videos of what it's going
to be like, I think people would have would have
taken the increase a little bit more positively.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Right, that seems like we're just paying for Vladi Guirro
Junior's contract in Toronto, is what it seems like.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But anyway, that's probably what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's the same company, so it's not the craziest I've heard.
But anyway, let's talk about something else expensive, something that
I did the other day, which was what was also stupid.
So I had a long day. I did like a
lot of physical stuff and I was just exhausted. So
I threw some wandering in the wash and I went
to bed. I was laying in bed, had my eyes closed,
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and all of a sudden, bang, my eyes just shot open.
I was like, oh, no, my AirPods are in the
washing machine.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And I went downstairs and it's just like this, almost
like this helpless scene. Right. I got my face up
against the door looking in at the washing machine all
like this, like the soap and water and the doors. Anyway,
I was able to drain it, get them out of there,
let them dry out, put one in my ear of
the day. So I had to hop on Amazon order
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a new pair for two hundred and some odd dollars
and the shut up Friday. But just so I don't
usually do that. I usually check my pockets like at
the end of every day. And ah, and I don't
even like the new ones as.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Much I love my I mean, I use my AirPods
a ton one my second set. I don't know that
i'd see a better from the new ones to the
old ones?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Did you did you wash your old ones? Is that what?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I No, I don't even know why I bought a
new set. I don't even know why. That's a good question.
But yeah, although my my son washed, they don't work
after you do that.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Uh, apparently a lot of people did though that that
gave me like a tremendous amount of false hope that
they'd be okay, oh, stick them in the bowl of rice,
put some silica packets, and they're like, I did all that, man,
like you name it, I did it, and to no avail.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Like logic of speaking though, like I don't know, I mean,
like I know, I've heard of people dropping their phones
in water and then putting it in rice and then
it worked, and like how the hell you think it
would short the inside of it out? But who knows you.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Would you would think? I mean, I don't like I
was actually kind of made me think when I was
out with Zach Castillon during the Hockey Heroes weekend, his
phone got broken. He had no idea how able the
screen is like half black. Well, I'm not the only
that does stupid things, but it's not that stupid for
him because he has a lot more money than I do. Right,
so new phone is probably nothing to him, but anyway,
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probably not. Well it happens. Anyway. That was my little
foray into my unfortunate ins in this week. But let's
let's get back on the hockey talk.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Preseason schedules out eight games for the seven games for
the Flames. No regular season schedule yet. Last year, I
believe we got it on like the second of July,
which irritated the hell on me because it was like
during free agent frenzy, they're shooting out with the schedule.
I'm like, what are you guys doing. We're still waiting
for that, still waiting to make plans and things like that.
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So that'll be exciting. I'm assuming we'll see that probably
this week. We saw some signings this week. You want
to talk about those?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Sure, by a way, where which one do you want
to go with?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I guess this one wasn't this week. This is July second,
but it's been since we talked. Morgan Frost signs with
the Flames a two year extension four point three seven five.
Your thoughts and feelings on that. Signing a little.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
More money than I would have thought, but I don't
not unhappy about it. The term is pretty much exactly
what I thought. We don't really know what Morgan Frost is.
If he buried half the chances he generates, he'd be
a seventy point scorer in the league, but he hasn't
really done that yet. But I like the player a lot.
I was really excited, as you were too, obviously when
he was acquired him in Fairby. So the contract makes
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sense for the player and for the team, which I
know is super cliche, but that's just the facts of
the matter. I think he's gonna have a big season,
though honestly, I've seen him being a fifty sixty point guy.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
He had so many chances last year. It's like, I
don't know how he can't start burying those. And I'm
sitting here trying to figure out what is shooting percentages here?
Let me find it. Shooting percentage last year was nine
point seven. That's not good.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It's not terrible either, necessarily, but I mean I think
it tanked a lot when he when he got to go,
I really expected he was going to be a little more,
not really a prolific score, but a consistent score, and
he was anything but. So but you know, big change
opposite side of the continent, the middle of the season,
middle of the game. No less. Yeah, so at least
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on the Calgary side. But it just it was a
really kind of hectic time for him. I'm sure. So
getting a full training campner's belt with the flamespug a
long ways towards sensuring as a successful season. But I'm
excited he's one of the players I really have an
eye on the season too.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah. I wasn't upset by the dollar mo on. The
trim was perfect actually because it does give us exactly
what we want. I mean, we're going to know everything
by the end of this year and then we can
act accordingly with it. I you know, here's the deal.
I was thinking more like four or three point seventy five.
So what's four point three really change?
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well, I don't think that Conroy and you know, his
brass really cared either. I think they basically had in
their head here's a general number one to go in at,
and frost A probably pushed him to go a little
bit more because there's so little risk because of his age,
because of the term. So I think it's just probably
the easiest contract signing Congress. But we probably had since
he became GM.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Another contract signed, this one on the ninth. Sam Morton
left winger, center slash. We don't know yet to a
one year, two way extension. What was it seven, seven
seventy five.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I think I believe yes, Yeah, he kind of got
forgotten a little bit, and the you know, with Park
debuting and Sineev and Prista Vicham as well PRISTEVITCHI he's
I don't know what Sam Morton is. I think he's
going to be the very least a very good AHL player,
But I think he's good. If he he's gonna be
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one of the last cuts in camp. I think unless
he makes the team, which he variable beaud especially now
that Kevin Rooney is not going to be back. There's
we've talked before about how there's not much room in
this team, but Morton's going to push hard for a spot.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I think so he's you know, we have a lot
of guys this year. It's like, all right, we're gonna
get to see what they what they are this year.
And I think Sam Morton may be one of them.
And he was a college free agent signing that just
like walker Doer was right and it took us a
little while to figure out walker Doer, and uh, now
we get to figure out Sam Morton.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean I'm excited for him. I think he's
Calgary's had a lot of like low key interesting signings
and he was one of them at Carter King's another
one that comes to mind. There's gonna be some surprises,
as there always isn't camping. I could see Morton being
one of those. He's a really responsible two way player
at every other level so far. So we'll see, we'll
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see how it pans out. But kind of a business
usual signing though nothing too exciting about it, but a
good one, nontheless.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Things have been this whole summer so far, as we're
kind of in business as usual, and we have one
significant RFA that hangs out there and that's Connor's Area
twenty three year olds, Slender Center, Slash. We don't know
wing he not arbitrary, not arbitration eligible, so we don't
need to worry about that. I feel like this will
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get done soon. I'm just not sure what direction this
one goes and where do you see it going. Do
you see it going you know, two years, or do
you see it going four years or more.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I'd love it to be long term, I think the
role of the player, but based on his desire to
cash in at some point, I suspect it's going to
be relatively short term. Now. If he saw the article
in Flames Nation by Robert Robert Munich about ensuring the
Flames don't make the same mistake with Connor Zary that
they did with Sam Bennett, excellent cautionary piece. Zari's shown
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very very well with highly toted prospect, arguably the Flame's
most creative offensive player at this point, based like remember
his goal in the first first part of the season
overtime against the first game of the season against the canopicis. Yeah,
he does things like that regularly. They don't always turn
into a goal, but you know, certainly he creates a
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lot of offense. And I just feel like, if we
don't get him signed, if he was traded for whatever reason,
we would regret it in very very short order, very
short order.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I've been frustrated a couple of times this year when
I've seen albeit they were rumors surface on trades with
his name involved, and I'm like, we can't give up
on this guy right away. And I think I loved
what I saw on his rookie year last year. I
kind of look at last year as kind of a
write off year for him with the two injuries and
two significant injuries too. So I'm not sure where I
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go with this one. I maybe see it being like
a two year, three point five million dollar deal. I'd
be surprised to see it a five year deal or
anything greater than that. I guess. I don't know. It'll
be interesting to see where this one goes. But I
do think this this does get wrapped up in the
near future.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It's not funny how quickly things change, though, because didn't
didn't I see the other day, Look what's our cap space,
like thirteen and a half million or something. Yeah, it's
not It's really not a lot if you consider like
if Zaria gets a decent raise, all I got locked up,
which is good.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
But it's not as much as Like, you know, I
think last year we just sat and felt like we
gathered so much cap and we did really But now
I mean, when Anderson comes off the books, that'll save
another four But yeah, it is, it's not as big
as what we thought because we do have to get
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Zari in on that and and you know next year
we need to get Wolf signed and you know, time
will tell what that's what that's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
It's gonna be a lot of money, I think.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's interesting because a lot of the discussion and amongst
people talking trades has been about taking on a bad contract. Well,
the room to do so is actually a lot less
of what it originally appeared to be. It wasn't that
long ago we were talking about what twenty one twenty
two million in gas space. You know, we're almost to
the single just now, and actually after the Zeri extension
we will be in single digits. Yeah, that's gonna be
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four a million plus, I would think.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And on the term, like I mean, if it's four years,
I think, you know, four point five five million is
probably the thing. If it's a two year deal, I
don't see it being more than three point five just
based off comparisons.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I mean, well, nobody's gonna agree with the Flames are
not going to commit. He's not going to commit long
term unless he was willing to take a ridiculously low number,
which like any player wouldn't, He's not going to, right,
So that's going to be fascinating to see.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
That one's gonna Yeah, but you're right, the cap space
has a slowly, slowly disintegrated. Not not to a level
or we need to be concerned or anything, but.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Uh, well they got it. And that's that's what Robert
was saying in his article again on on Flamestation was
don't dick the player around. Don't put him on the
fourth line, then the third line, and the first and
the second, like find him a home. And to be
honest with you, I would love to see him center
Huberto and Coronado and Kadri's more to it. And now
I'm not saying he's ready for that necessarily, but I
do think he could do it and do well at it.
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But the point being is like, you can't keep shuffling
him around and like, oh what do we do with
this guy? And they reference and actually embedded the video
where uh Pender and everybody's talking to Conroy about what
happened with Sam Bennett and why it wants the wrong
connors Ari has a lot of things in common with
Sam Bennett and hopefully being misused by the Colgar flames.
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It does not become one of them.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I don't. I don't think it will be. I don't.
I don't. Hopefully note that leads me into I want
to talk about the new CBA here in a little bit,
but that I also kind of gathered up a couple
of questions for you, like off season flames questions, and
I kind of want to get your take on a
couple of things, and and the Tsari talk kind of
leads me into my first one, and that is, after
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what you've seen with Connor Zary, do you think he
has a do you think he is a legitimate center
or is he a winger?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
We don't really know yet. I think he'll be just
fine as a center, but that's this this is the
season where that's going to become established.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
So do you think he's a number one center?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
That's even more difficult.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That's what I thought too, because I don't see him
as a number one center and number two probably not
I don't know, but I think if you have him
on the third fourth line, you're waisting him. So I
don't know that a better fit isn't on the wing
for him.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
It kind of feels maybe it's just because we don't
have very many good centers traditionally. It feels like we
just keep converting centers and the wingers and ruining the trajectory.
So I hope they did. They keep pushing him to
be a center. I hope, and I mean in terms
of where he would slot. I think he's absolutely going
to be a number two center, number one. There's already
so few of those legitimate ones as it is, right.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, if he's our number one center, I mean on
this is not a slight on him, but if he's
our number one center, we've got some lineup issues.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Unless he has a year and you know, surpasses anybody's expectations, which.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Doesn't look like it makes me look like an idiot.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I hope he does make you look at look an idiot,
because that'd be good for all of us.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Great. My next question, who's going to be the Flames
backup this year? Oh? Wow, that's it's a tough one. Yeah,
interesting to see to see what COOLi is, right, I mean,
it just is. He looks so promising as our backup,
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and then after that injury, he just did not come
back the same goalie.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, this competition is huge six foot five and has
like more iNHL experience, but also tapered off before he
kind of fell off a cliff when he left the
NHL went to the KHL where he was hugely successful.
So I don't think I'd love to see it be
COOLi because he's so likable. I remember how much fun
that wasn't training camp? All the videos and stuff, A.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Lot of good clips, wasn't it. There's a lot of
talk about him, Yeah, just a lot of it because
of his interviews and stuff, and yeah, it was that
was fun.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah. Yeah, man, I don't know. I'd like it to
be him, like it just said, But I don't. I
don't know. I see it being uh Presotov, I really do.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, me too, I do too, And I think that
might be the safer pick, right.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, not the ones A great bet, and I mean
it's a it's hard to imagine they wouldn't be a
downgrade for Ladara considering Ladar played last season, especially the.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Second half, but everybody thinks it's a downgrade. Yeah, we'd
be kidding ourselves and not. And the thing he is
too is like, you know, I thought the team the
one thing I really think the team didn't like I
did a masterful job of last year was integrating Wolf
to the number one position. I mean, they worked really,
really precisely at the beginning of the year, sheltering him
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in certain games, working him in other ones, giving him
back to back and some when he was when he
was feeling it right. I just I really think the
goaltending team and coaching staff did a really good job
of working that, working him in to situations to build confidence,
to build comfort, and protecting him appropriately. And then at
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the end of the year there was no protection needed
right because he had developed into that. And this year
I do think, as much as I have high hopes
for Wolf, I still think there's gonna be some hurdles
this year for him. I do.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Depends on what the defense looks like. Largely, I think
I kind of felt like the team was a little
a little slow. Christian is the Number one. I think
it could happen a little bit sooner, but overall, I
didn't I thought they had him quite well as well.
But the defense. And it's funny because this July's player
on the Flames calendar is dni near Mattoff, who I'd
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love to think is a dark horse to have a
major bounce back and secure a full time NHL job,
But I'm not convinced that will happen. But yeah, it's
gonna depend larger than the defense. If Kevin Ball is
healthy all year, that'll obviously be a huge help along
with Wiger. If Hanley can do eighty percent of what
he did last year, that would be great. Uh, there's
a lot of there's a lot of kind of what
ifs because the d is fairly thin. And yeah, Wolf
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maend up looking like ROBERTA. Lawonko on those really Florida days.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
What a segue, Kyle. So my next question is is
Miromanoff a viable defensive option for the Flames next year? Dave?
Look at that?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Ah, I should Actually a good friend of mine is
a good friend of his and previously coached him. I
should ask him what his thoughts that gives. You know,
has he been in the gym a lot? Is he
talking about just wants to change the scenery? Does he
wanted to be a flame he's prop well, yeah, I
think he does have more to prove than anybody else
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on that d going into the season. I'm not going
to include preking that because Preca is the job's his.
He's such a talent. There's there's the whorls from the
go other than the NHL, although defensively, I think he's
gonna have quite a waste to go. I'm gonna say no,
I want it to be yes. But there's just only
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a couple of moments where it's like, Wow, this guy
looks capable, or he had a good stick, or he
scored a really nice short side snipe that I remember.
I just he's never put it all together though in
the NHL, and I just I don't see any real
reason why that's gonna change. Do you think he is.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
No, I don't at all. He did have he did
have like those flashes right where it's like, oh boy.
But you know what scares me about that is all
those flashes we saw of him were all offense. Did
you ever see a defensive like play that he made
that you're just like, oh yeah, No. Most of the
time the defensive plays were holy crap, Why did you
let that guy walk right up by him in the slot?
(26:44):
You know? Yeah, that's the sad part, and that's what's
got me sitting here going, Okay, well, I'd rather have
a breustovitchin. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, he got may Mount, he trained. He changed positions
so late relatively speaking, that I don't know that he
was ever set up to succeed as an NHL defenseman necessarily,
but obviously the team scouted him plenty before the hand
offin trade. And I mean he is still largely the
centerpiece of that.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And I still think, you know what, I still think
if you look at his skill wise and his talent
and his skating ability to wise, do you not agree
he has giant upside, right? I mean I'm not he does.
I just but I'm just like, okay, well, how long
before we start to see progression in that well?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
And he's kind of get lost in the shuffles, as
one does when you have all these good prospects come there, right,
another deep draft goes by the other guys in the
previous year of another year under their belt, Guys like
Parak will graduate, for Stavich could very well graduate, to
say nothing of other dark horses like Krishnakoff and other
guys solavoy Off because nets Off, there's a lot, a lot,
(27:51):
a lot of defensemen who could take a spot. That's
the only part of the team that's kind of wide
open after especially after Arrison gets traded, depending what he
gets traded.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Four.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But there's there's some space on that decoor for somebody
to emerge. And I don't I guess not the one
of us believe right now it's gonna be mirror man Off.
It is prrect on the opening night roster, no question,
Do you agree.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I do. I think they've already penciled him in, especially
if Anderson's gone. I just hope though, that they put
him with, like on the third line with a Handley.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I think it's gonna be a third third pairing. And
I think he's gonna get power play time. Yeah, because
he's so he's so good to the power play. I mean,
that's where you want to grow his confidence. But defensively,
you're gonna have to shelter a bit, and I think
that is I'm confident that's the plan.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah. Yeah, I worry a little bit, you know what,
I'm gonna worry three years from now if that was
his initial because the knock on him from the beginning
has been defensive issues. And let's hope that they have
continued to improve, and I think they have through juniors,
and I'm excited. I'm this guy's a top end talent
(28:59):
and this is going to be, you know, with the
right attitude. I think, a cornerstone piece for this organization.
So I think this sky's a limit, right, There's.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
No question at all about that best defensive prospect the
team's had since Fough and the best offensive defensive prospect
they've maybe ever had.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Really, I I would agree. I would agree because I
look back at all that and I'm like, I cannot
ever remember drafting an offensive I mean, I sit and
I look at like the hype that we gave VALLAMACKI like,
I thought that guy was going to be the next great,
you know, and I have the talent that perecas now
(29:46):
and I'm like, well, hey, this guy's upsides even even bigger, right,
So uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
So unique, yeah, so you need and so rangy when
he has the park and creative yeah, it's yeah, nobody
else is really on that level of Alamachi. I had
been excited for a lot of different reasons, and it's
still kind of bunce me out when I think about
what should have been there.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
But it is. I predicted him one year. I can't
remember what year it was. I predicted him to be
the rookie of the year. Boy he got like fifteen
games that year. Anyway, two more questions, three more questions.
Does Anderson get moved this summer?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I sure hope so uh hm hmm by training camp
so kind of summer.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, okay, I am so deathly afraid that this one's
gonna get drug out and the return sucks.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I think with the nature of injuries and progression through
camp and through the start of the season, somebody's gonna
poone me up with the big offer.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I hope.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
So somebody, some team's gonna off to a slow start
or make a coaching change or something. They will be
the act as impetus for saying, you know what, we
need to get this guy, and they're gonna call Craig
and say, Okay, what's it gonna take. We'll give you
a first B level prospect and a roster player or
like a project player. Maybe like there'd be something that'd
be fairly enticing. I don't think they're gonna make the
mistake of letting this go to the trade deadline, because
(31:13):
then you get in that you know, that weird hole
to be keep them for a playoff runt because we're close.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Oh I know, yeah, So I see there's many ton
of rumors on nosen Kadri. Do you think that there's
any chance he gets.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Moved only if the team sucks by the deadline. He
doesn't want to go anywhere and they don't really want
to trade him, and if they trade him, then what
the hell do we do?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You know what? That is probably the smartest thing I've
heard all week. Why I even deal with it right
now because I'm all about moving him in green and assets,
but it's probably the best way is just he's a
perfect deadline move, right.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
He'd be the most sought after player at the deadline
for a playoff bound team. There's nobody you could want
to acquire more in my mind than play does Caudre's
get some you know, seriously plays on the edge to
a fault in his younger years.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I feel like there's only two teams he would agree
to go to Toronto, Toronto and Colorado.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I think for the right fit, he'd go elsewhere, but
I mean, yeah, Vegas wouldn't have the space. But there's
I mean, Toronto fans have been clamoring for him to
bring him back because he's literally the antithesis of a
Mitch Murner, somebody who at the very least is perceived
and I want to be careful how worded was, because
I don't know the guy, but perceived as soft is
a bit of a baby. Caudrey is known to be
(32:35):
hard nose, plays in the edge, like I said, So
that's one of the reasons they're so desperate to bring
him back after and you'll remember they basically chased him
into town for his playoff suspensions, right they didn't. But
that's true, that's true, and that's the fault to Caudrey's
because that's I mean, it is and it isn't. That's
also just Toronto sports, right. It's one of the reasons
Maurner is gonna pop off and have one hundred points
in Vegas and short just to get away from the pressure, right,
(32:55):
and good for him playoffs. Not sure what he'll do,
but Caudrey, I don't see any benefit for a team
that tied for the last playoff spot. I don't see
any tangible benefit unless it's a massive haul to trade
Cadre before the earliest being the the the deadline.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, that's that's a really really strong point. One final question,
and we're gonna talk about the CBA. I was going
through the lineups and I was looking at the depth
charts and just kind of playing around with what I
would do right with the forwards, the defense, we've already
said that's up in the air. What would you who
(33:34):
is your if today was the opening night, who would
you put at fourth line center? Because I think I
found my guy.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I think Morton's a possibility, But who's your guy?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I was going through it, and I'm just like, this
spot is absolutely perfect from Martin Pospissel. He showed more,
he showed an upside its center this year. He can
win some face offs. He's we played with him on
literally every single line in every single situation possible, and
(34:10):
he's showed good at certain times and not good at
other times. Right he plays on the edge, I mean,
does does a fourth line of hospital centering? Klapka and
Lomberg not look enticing.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It does? Although I have concerns about Lombard playing that
many games again, for sure, for Surele and Klapka, And
this is one of the reasons I want to belchie back.
He would have been great on a line like that,
just for the energy to create and the puck movement
and they're checking and all that. But yeah, I could
see it. I mean Pastpasol was what do you have
(34:45):
last year? Five goals? I think, Oh, I got.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
It right in front of me. Uh four? Four?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Jeez. Yeah, I couldn't put a puck in an ocean.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
He only won his face offs. Maybe I'm not.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, but he didn't play a lot of seatent a
lot of center though, So I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
True.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, so we'll Yeah, I could see it. I mean,
because he's been kind of thrown in over his head
on the top couple of lines at times, I think
I've already determined that that's not the best place for him.
I mean, god knows, a year and a half ago,
we didn't think this guy was an NHL player, right,
So no, two years ago, yeah, none of it, and
nobody did. I can't think of a single person thought
that's the next guy that should be calling up. I
never heard that argument no.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
When he came up, I think a lot of us
were like, what you know.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah? So uh CBA, the NHL and the NHLPA ratified
a four year collective bargain agreement through twenty nine thirty,
which surprised me that then it went this smoothly and
this quickly. Let's touch on some of the high points.
I guess eighty two game regular season instead our eighty
(35:56):
four game regular season instead of eighty two, reduced preseason
down to four. I really don't like this. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I like producing the preseason. I don't agree with eighty
four games.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
No. If I had my way, if I could change,
I honestly this might be my Outside of more in
whites at home, I think the number one thing I
would change is that I would say, you start September
tenth instead of October seventh, and we're done in the
middle of May instead of the end of June. And
(36:28):
I don't know, I just I don't know why there
was such a push for eighty four. I don't understand
that deal. Well.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I think the rationale from the it's give and takes
a boy shortening the preseason. I think a lot of
the players. Now they can have the performance bonuses easier
with two more games, but I still don't like it.
And I'll tell you and hopefully at some point I
can experience this and tell you my actual thoughts. Calgary
was in the Cup Final in four and they were
(36:55):
done by the first week of June, which still felt late,
and I was still into it this second week of June.
Shit has got to stop. It's exhausting. And what I'm
saying is, if Calgary was to make the finals and
it wins seven games, I'm starting to question how invested
I would be in by that point in June, because
it's like it's beautiful outside. It's been such a long season,
like this should be done by the end of May.
(37:16):
There's no question about that. The players are not getting
a long enough break. But what they did is they
shortened it at the wrong end by shortening the preseason.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, you'll report September one, and we start game September tenth,
and we're done May fifteenth.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
It's hot in Edmonton in June.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Like these ice plants in these arenas, I know they're
state of the air, but like this is there's just
no need of it, Like, there's just no freaking need
of it.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
We have like the best playoffs in the world, The
Sounding Cup playoffs are better than any other league, so
we can't shorten it. It's just that we can't. Well,
we could the finals this year. We're stupid about the
scheduling with extra days off and stuff. But we we
just have to. We just have to get this done sooner.
We just do. We just we just do. This is
(38:00):
a winter sport. We're ready. Everybody's ready September one, right,
we get through the gold rooms of August, We're ready
September one to have camps open. We're not. We don't
need to wait till October one. And because I'd rather
be playing hockey in September than i would June.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And that's yeah, oh man, it's just it's so frustrating.
So this is the other thing that we should talk about,
uh the draft mm hmm. So again apparently because the
owners wanted to. I think do decentralized again next year.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I think general managers want.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It anyway, Yeah, it was And I'm trying to think
of everything I've ever watched in my life so I
can make sure everything to throw here, the worst, most
poorly presented, contrived, a bunch of bullshit I've ever watched
in my life. It was horrendous. The picks were super slow,
Liberty cameos were senseless and annoying and contrived. Uh, there's
(39:05):
no draft floor deals, which are the hallmark of any
good draft, any good draft, even if you go to
three that stack draft, if any trade at all, is exciting.
When bet once day we have a trade to announce,
and the ones I announced at this thing, it's like
it's like you're watching the Truman Show or something like.
It was just you're living in the Truman Show. Rather
it is. It was horrible, horrible, horrible, the worst television
(39:26):
I have ever watched.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Now, and I'm a pro wrestling fan, so take that
into consideration. I'm not messing around here.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It was uncomfortable and I didn't like it, and.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
You know, it's like going to the dentist. It was
just eh, eh.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I don't know, I'm I know. Betman does not like
this method.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
It sucks. It's the worst thing. Well, Betman, you know,
despite all the critique, he takes a lot of it rightfully.
So he does try to sell this game big time
and do this with the draft kills it.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
It's awful.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Also kills it for the players. The players should be
there with all of their peers, with all of the
team's brass. Like that video screen that was the most
cringe worthy part. Oh little audio delay when he's talking
to whatever team drafted him. It's like, what the hell
are we doing?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
This is twenty twenty five. What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So next year? Because I fell asleep four times by
my account during the last draft, I will not be watching.
I will watch the picks on X I will text
you to find out who the picks were. I will
do something other than watch. I promise you that.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
It was bad.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
It was really bad, horrendous.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I want to talk about in the CBA this year.
Now there's a provision and starting in twenty six twenty seven,
there's a new provision in the CBA that'll allow each
NHL team to place one nineteen year old CHL player
in the AHL per season. What was your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Uh, Well, a long time coming, because I think we
all kind of knew it, especially with like things like
the OHL doing exceptional player status for quite some time now,
Like there's certain players that aren't quite ready for the
NHL but are too good to be in junior And
I think that's kind of where this comes from.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
I've I always wondered why there's regulations on this, because
if it's your minor league team and you have a
contract with that team, you should be able to play
on their minor league team no matter what.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
The only thing I can think is because it's it's
a bit of a rougher league, there's a lot of
busting and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Exactly, So then if he's not ready, you don't place
him there, right, That's up to the team's discretion though, right.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I'm okay because I think
it's going to help a lot of players development. It's
just interesting how I don't know if you'd call this
the evolution of the game or we just can never
quite get it right, these little changes, like it just
it never stops. Yeah, Like the best change of sports
they ever made was the pitching clock in baseball. Oh man,
(42:03):
that was the best thing they ever ever did. And
in hockey, I don't know what the equivalent is yet.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I don't think we need to speed the game up.
We just we if I if I think about it,
I'll come up with something.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Well, if you want to speed it up, you know
what you don't do you don't watch a game on
Sports Net Plus.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So there you go, as we go back to that
full circle.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, I also might have precluded either of us from
everything I have a career in in Rogers media broadcasting
by by saying what I've said. But that's okay. I'm
okay with who I am in my choices.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
We should be able to say our thoughts right.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Well, especially when thousands of people are echoing them.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
The people that drives me crazy is we're not allowed
to speak our thoughts anymore. Like we all should have
be able to have an opinion. We all may not
agree with that opinion, but like we all should be able.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
To have constructive criticism. I work with a guy who
was terrible at it, Yeah, terrible at it and he
and and it's it's one of his biggest flaws, he he,
he just he can't take criticism, and sometimes it's what
you need.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Anyway, So the other thing that we need to talk about,
because God knows, you've seen it and I've seen it
probably two hundred times now, is a Nick Turnasci video
the golf course.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh, I don't even know what I think.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Well, if you watch the the whole thing, the guy
definitely was wasted and belligerent and kind of had it coming.
My favorite part was that somebody who golfed there a
day or so later played a little white flag. Yeah,
r I P. Do you see that? That was awesome?
That was awesome. Anyway, don't mess around with the golf
of course, folks.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
What did you think of Mysa going to uh DE
Penn State in the NCAA.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I didn't hear about his reasons why. I'm not sure.
I mean, it's obviously education is part of the consideration,
but I.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Think it's just a play against more men, right, I
mean the NCAA is the average age is starting. I
mean the starting point is usually twenty years old, and
it's usually twenty to twenty five year olds. In the NCAA.
Is you're playing against men, it's a better proving ground.
I guess then the CHL would be in that aspect.
(44:20):
Thus that's where McKenna's going too. He's going to Penn
State too, which surprises me because if you follow NCAA
hockey like I do, I mean, Penn State wasn't even
a team like ten years ago. They were in the ACHA.
But that's what big university money and craziness will do.
And reports are that McKenna's getting seven hundred thousand this
(44:41):
year in nil money, which I think is a ludicrous,
but that's where it's at in this Today's an ah.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Well, it sucks for the ginger teams to lose these
guys because their ability to sell tickets is.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Going to be there is there's going to be a
giant shift in both Canadian and American junior hockey over
the next three years. It's gonna it'll all work out
in the end. I do believe it'll all work out
in the end. I just do think there'll be a
giant shift in it.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Because of this, I am inclined to agree. I mean,
it's gonna have to right, it.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Has right, and I don't necessarily like it because I
like the way it was. But who knows, maybe five
years from now we'll have a different opinion on it.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Right, possibly, wait and see. It's all we can do, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Right, Well, you're ready to get on with the summer day?
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, I think it's hot up, But I'm an outside
a little while, so I really can't remember.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Well, thanks everybody for joining us today on In addition,
how can you blames on the filter, check us out
on all the social media, check us out on all
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Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, and as soon as we have some news, God willing,
soon there'll be some news that they can will be
jumping back on. As soon as that is to to
talk about that. But in the meantime, we do have
a much more special episodes coming up, and if you
have any topics you'd like us to cover, please let
us know. There's always looking for new ideas, right.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
That is right, Special episodes ahead, and yeah we'll jump
in with a live episode, or not a live episode,
but a pertinent news information episode as something happens, she
hasn't happened, suck all right, Kyle, you have a grey
day and enjoy the rest of it your weekend, and
iowles here as well.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
We'll talk to you guys here man jump.
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