The Back-up Goalie Plan – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 260

The Back-up Goalie Plan – Flames Unfiltered – Episode 260           
Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14 
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GAME RECAPS – Cgy@Edm | Cgy@Van | StL@Cgy
The Back-up goalie situation in flux
Who will give us offense
FLAMES NEWS- Gridin Debut/Parekh In/Line Shuffle
X-FACTOR- No Offense @SizzleFlame
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hey, Flames fans, welcome to their edition of Flames on
fieldered hosts by myself, Kyle Lewis and course Brad Bird. Brad,
what is going on?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's definitely been a Monday today as we record this
on a Monday evening. The week just got off to
a real chug of a start today and I was
behind all day. I don't know if that's because I
was inefficient for my I don't know, just I was
a lot like the.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Flames have been the start the season started off.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
You're bad?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
That was bad?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Oh man, I was gonna say the season for the
Flames has started off like a roller coaster, and then
I knew you would come in with the phrase kind
of like a bad relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Uh yeah, even my worst relationships have more high points
in this house so far, Like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
They've been few and far between.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know what's a cool thing I saw at the
Dome this year is the Have you seen that? If
you buy popcorn? Have you seen how you get the popcorn? No,
it's in like a zamboni and the lid at the
top of the zamboni comes off and your popcorn is
in there.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I I would have died as a kid for that.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Does that how they justified charge at fifty bucks a
bag for it now?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Or what? Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
They gotta do what they gotta do, right, It's ridiculous
price man.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Actually, speaking of the Dome, my brother will be there
tomorrow night. First first ever Flames game.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Really, it's play Vegas. I've seen him play Vegas and
I've never seen him beat Vegas.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
That's not good.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
The first time I went to Vegas to go to
an NHL game was against the Flames, and I think
it was seven to three Vegas.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I think I've only I've never seen the Flames
beat Toronto. They get dummied every time they play, doesn't
matter if it's in Toronto and Calgary wherever. But hopefully
enjoys the game and hopefully the Flames actually show up
for that one.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
You usually bring good luck, though you saw some good
games in the previous couple of years.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
So yeah, last year, I think what was the Flames
record when I saw them?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Ar and Govich had a really good goal and Cadrey
had a really good goal. When you were there last year,
I remember.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Uh, yeah, they last year, I might have been the
year before. Last year they beat Florida. In Calgary, they
beat Montreal and Montreal and they beat only do two
Flames games last year. I can't remember. It doesn't matter.
It's all in the past now.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
One thing I want to touch base before we could
go and talk in real hockey stuff. But I got
my my Kyle tip me off to a game warn
jersey if Shondan have been a player that I really
liked during the Cup run and and everything. So I
did a little bit and one this and I got
this jersey. And one thing it's interesting is in the
bottom patch you know where they signed that they have

(03:15):
that game warrn patch. You know, it says for the
five six No four five Yeah that was the lockout year, yep.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
And so next to it and there's a little tiny
tag it says, oh, five oh six.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, that's how Migray had handled the lockout because that
that's how much they believe they were actually gonna play
you No. Four oh five. I had two of them
from that season. I sold one a Lombardi and I
still have my Chuck Obisu and it's the same thing.
So really, yeah, it's it's kind of a unique way
to mark a very dark period of naky history if
you have any of those.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
I remember that, Oh I remember those days vivid. How
disappointing that was.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Oh, it was terrible. Van Hallen broke up in November
of that year, and Pop year.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
That probably broke up that year too.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, I want to countless times they did. It was
a rough year. It was a really rough year. But anyway,
what'll we what have we been with? Is a lot
going on. We're only three games in, but we.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Are three games in, so we probably shouldn't like overreact,
and and I don't plan to because I actually have
some really good things to talk about. I got some
concerning things to talk about too. But uh, I got
a lot. But you you start, you you fire away tonight.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Well, the start of the season was kind of fun.
I mean, it was a sloppy game. I felt for
both teams against Edvonton, but you know, the Flames came
away with a win on a very Stewart Skinner esque
game tying goal. Coleman, do you.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Feel like that whole game? You know, the whole game.
I was just like, we're not the best team. We're
not We're not playing better than Edmonton by a mile here. No, Yeah,
we were right there, and then when the goal scored,
the Coleman, you're the one you're referring to.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
I tell you what, I just started laughing.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I laugh because all I thought, this year is going
to be entertaining and next year is going to be entertaining,
because unless Edmonton finally addresses the the giant black sheep
in the room, this is, this problem is not going
away for Edmonton. I don't care what anybody says. You
can't score your way out of that.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
You can't, not in tight games in the playoffs anyway.
But yeah, I mean, god, where even go from that game? Right?
Certainly not the start we had last season. But I mean,
I guess my concern that I'm not going to get
too much detail in the games themselves. I mean because
the same Lewest one in particular was really really frustrating

(05:46):
to watch. But the team definitely has the same scoring
issues to this early early point the season they had
last year. I'm curious to see if they can play
the way out of it.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, you know, in game one, I think we learned
some things we learned that I thought Griddin was very impressive.
I feel like he's gonna grow. I mean just watching
what he does when he has the puck and I
and I don't think I'm alone in saying this. I
just feel like you kind of sit up in your
seat a little bit, right. I feel like he can
be an offensive driver. That this team is in desperate,

(06:17):
desperate need of No question, there other things in the
Edmonton game that stood out to me. This team hung
in there, right, they hung in They were outplayed bad.
I mean, I think Edmonton lost this game more than
Calgary won this game, if that sense. I think Dustin
Wolf was was really, really, really good. I think we

(06:44):
learned a little bit about lying usage, and I think
we saw a lot of positives in how they fought
back and the shootout was really really entertaining. Over the
overtime McDavid call that that call does not get made
if that's not Connor McDavid. Wiger does not go to

(07:06):
the penalty box if that's not Connor McDavid. Am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Nope, no, no, no question, no question.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I was fairly excited though after this game, okayle I
really was. I saw some good things. I saw some
things I didn't like, but I saw some good I did.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
H Yeah, I did. I did too. I mean it
was very quickly extinguished, pardon the pun. The next night
against Vancouver, there was some problems of that game, though,
I mean clearly, you know, losing five one of some problems.
But right away I didn't like going right back to
Dustin Wolf, although I wouldn't have made a different decision necessarily.

(07:46):
What I'm saying is the necessity of starting him again
really concerns me. And it's kind of funny to say
it now because in the summer it wasn't that worried.
But I feel kind of stupid for not fixed ating
more on this. But the backup goalie problem, which I
know we're going to talk about the show because it
is a significant problem. I don't know what we expected.
We we don't have reliable backup and we certainly didn't

(08:07):
acquire one in the summertime.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Let's talk about this and we'll go back to the games.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
But uh, Dustin Wolf, I think the franchise, the players,
and the fan base all feel completely comfortable. Of course,
you know, there's been rumblings of are we going to
see us sophomore slump. I was the first one to say, no,
we aren't going to see us sophomore slump. Well, we're
going to see some difficult numbers to achieve this year

(08:34):
based off the team in front of him, and also
the fact that we don't have a backup that anybody
has any confidence in, because if we had confidence as
an organization, Coolly would have played.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah. Oh there's no yeah, absolutely. And I was saying
about it earlier because it was the last nights Yeah, yeah, yeah,
last night's game to Washington, New York. I think, if
I remember correctly, the Rangers started Jonathan Quinn, and I
always thought it'd be cool that Jonathan Quick as a
backup Calgary because he was Wolf's idle, and that's why
we were thirty two. But more yeah, but moreover the
both California boys. But the biggest reason being that, like,

(09:13):
you need a veteran backup goalie, I'm convinced, and we
don't have one of those.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, we thought, okay, and I'm gonna I'm gonna point
a finger at Craig Connrory here. I think this was
a big mistake. I'm gonna be throwing out one way
deals to goalies like he did without a little bit
more basis, Like I thought we had pretty good grasp
of what Devin Cooley was last year until we saw
him come back from an injury and struggle. And this
is not a pick on Devin Cooley showed it here, No,

(09:40):
but because I think he's a good goalie. But I
think we were. I think we were.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
I don't know what the word I'm looking for is.
We were wowed by what he did for the Wranglers
last year, but that doesn't always. We weren't right, and
then when we weren't, we weren't very quickly. We loved
this guy and we went to hating him in a
matter of two preseason games.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Is that fair? Probably not?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
But you know what I call shame on Conray on
this one. You know that we that we have a
goalie that's a young star and you need to still
I'm not saying the word that he can't handle it,
that you had to shelter him because he can't handle it.
But we'ren't a league now, that's not like the league
in nineteen eighty. You need two good goalies.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Well, I think more than that. I think a young
well a goalie is young as wolf, as good as
he is, and I agree with that. There's no sophomore
slump here to speak of a couple of goals. I'm
sure he'd like to have back. I certainly thought so.
But I think a goalie as young as him needs
a veteran partner, yes, like mentally above all else, you know, yeah,
lean on and he doesn't have that.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
And mentorship, yeah, because the other had that.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, and the other piece of it, like when Provsotov
was brought over, Like I've never seen goaltending translate from
one league to another, like you know, from one professional
league to another, I should say. So to think that
you could sign this guy and that was going to
be your backup solution was a little ignorant.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I feel, well, and you know what I mean. It's
a risk, right, but those are risks you take when
you have you know, like it was a non a
very calculated risk, let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well, I think they underrated the position or they had
way too much faith in the guy they had and
the guy they signed. Clearly, yeah, and that's okay. And
let's be clear about something. Neither one is has seen
any action in season yet, so we can't say too
much about it. But the fact you're loath to give
them an opportunity. When you have it back to back
is pretty telling.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I get it's early, but still, but I'm not sure.
I don't really know where they go with this backup
goalie gig. But I've got to bring it somebody, and
that's what all the rumblings are anyway.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, Friedman and now are free, which I trust he
doesn't just shoot from the him. I mean, he said
the Flames have talked to multiple, multiple teams about this.
But the problem is the Flames want to give either
COOLi or procept of Is in return so that they
don't have four goalies on one way deals. No one
wants those two, no, so you're stuck with four goal

(12:22):
If you acquire another goalie, you have four on one
way deals.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
That's not good. That's not good.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
What what's going with Hillia Sampson off this year? He's
a free agent. Last to know I'd sign him.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I mean, I just I feel like we need to
have somebody like I'm frustrated. I thought the Cam Talbot
would have been a good option. That ship sailed. You know,
I don't know where we go with this. I'm also
hearing now that Friedman reported today on thirty two thoughts
that Cooley's getting the start Wednesday night in Utah. The
Flames have to go with them now because they're not

(12:54):
finding anything right And so now we have a difficult
bed to lay in right now because backup goalie needs
to get you twenty twenty three games. And we don't
have anybody that in the organization that feels comfortable with
putting out there, because if they feel comfortable with Koli,
they would have put them out there, right.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
So the Flames play at home against Vegas, a very
good Vegas team of course, then take off to play
Utah the next night. So Kol is gonna be playing
behind a tire group.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
A back to back with travel Noh, Like, oh, the
Flame schedules brutal to start the year. But I'm not
making excuses like you got to get through this right
and I yeah, So now we're going to put KOOLI in.
The organization has no confidence, which instills if I'm Cooley,
I'm like, well, shit, if they don't have confidence, I
don't have confidence.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well he could he could go and play lights out,
you never know. I mean he is capable of it,
I hope anyway, And I'm curious. I've seen some good
stretches of hockey from in the past, but it's certainly
not an ideal situation of the good news since we're
coming across. At least, I feel I am rather negative
to kick off this show. The schedule does get a
lot better. Yes, we're gonna be missing some points we
wish we had. I feel like we already are, especially

(14:03):
in that you know, we'll jump into that Saint Louis
game where the Flames are playing really, really well but
had less than no finish unless you name is Matty Cornado,
which you know, to nobody's surprise. But you know, the
schedule is going to get better. But they got to
work with these kinks right like any team, like any
team does. But that Saint Louis game, man, that was frustrating.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well, and you know, let's just let's get right to it.
Let's get right to the X factor. Because when I
saw this tweet that does this fit Tuesday's game and
says this team scoring and that's from Sizzle with Flames,
and it is this team is you know, they're not
allergic to scoring chances, they're allergic to finishing and scoring.

(14:46):
And I mean he's right on the money. And this
team against Saint Louis, I thought was very good.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Was was by far the better team in my mind,
and it's nothing gets nothing.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, yep, yeah, it's a great X factor. And I
actually got some pushback because I was bemoaning the lack
of finish and I forgot it was where they kind
of came back and said, you know, well they got
these young players and they'll figure it out. Well, that's
not what's going on at all. In my mind. Like
Hansick's breakaway, for example, it was it was a good attempt,
and I know, you know, he'll bury some of those
as his career moves along. But if you look around

(15:22):
the roster, like there's such a lack of finish. And
we talked at length last year and early this year
about you know, Zari and Frost being two guys that
just show all the promise in the world but just
can't put it together. The only the only legit scoring
threat when he's feeling it, there's two of them. When
he's feeling it would be nasm Kadri. And the only
legit one night in night out is Matthew Cornatto because
of his wicked, wicked shot.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Do you do you have any confidence in Connor's are
right now?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Not on the fourth line, to be honest.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
There we can go into the next thing I have
written on my thing is is I mean I don't
understand this. I mean the other night game one against Edmonton,
Osca's got the crazy line of Klapka, Kadri and Faarbee
Clapga in the in the first period, the one player

(16:13):
that stood out for the Flames, the one was gridden offensively.
He got three minutes and thirty nine seconds of ice time.
Klapka got six to oh five. I learned this week,
and I pray to guy that Ryan Husker learned this
week that Adam Klapka is an effective player on the

(16:34):
fourth line.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, and net front of the power play, I think,
I think power.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Play two, because if he's your guy on power play one,
you're in trouble because that's not a good power play.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah. Well, and the thing is is, if if your
power play is predicated of having a guy at six
foot eight in front of the net, the other four
players have to have possession, be able to move the
puck for it to matter.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
So we should emphasize that point as well, as obvious
as it sounds. Now as far as Zari goes, what
bothers me is that And this is why I really
didn't like huskaga an extension as early as he did.
He he tends to just keep sticking with the same lines,
expecting the players to figure it out, and so much
of the time that just does not happen. When you
have a game like you had again in Saint Louis,

(17:17):
you can blame it against Oh well, we had our chances,
just couldn't bear them. Well, you couldn't bury them for
a litany of reasons, one of which being Joeloffer is
really good. But outside of that, you need to make
some changes. And one of those changes of moving Zari
up the lineup and actually Ferby had a really good
game too, now more so on the shop blocking side.
But both those guys I feel deserve a bit more opportunity,
especially when gods like Sharagoviach aren't really contributing to anything.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Right. Yeah, and he's starring Gover.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's interesting. He's another guy I want to touch base
on a little bit. I mean, do you see on
x now that these new stat cards that are coming
out with the uh they're using a bunch of different
app some natural natural, and they're they're they're going through

(18:02):
and using a bunch of the analytics to track what
players are the most I don't want to say effective
in the game versus or least effective. And it's been
interesting because I've I've tracked it the first three games,
and honestly, I agree. I'm not a huge analytics guy.
I'm really not at all. Actually sometimes I hate analytics.
But I'm sitting here and I'm looking at these and

(18:25):
in night one it against Edmonton, had had Gridd and
Ball and Coleman is the most effective Flames. Night two
in Vancouver it had Frost, Faarby and Pahal, which I
would agree with, and Sharon Govic, which I would actually
agree with. They had guys struggling that night as Anderson
are uh, Handley and Bean.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
And then in Saint Louis, it's got let me blow.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
That one up a little bit so I can at
least read what I'm doing here. Coronado Kadre and Ball,
which I totally agree with, and guys that struggled that
night were Frost and Sharon Govic Andinzari. Yes, these these
are already. These makes sense, But the thing is I'm
not seeing I mean, I saw Sharon Gowich in the
Saint Louis when he struggle a little bit more there.

(19:11):
I feel like he's been a little bit better to
start the year. I've been very impressed with Honsick in
in the In the Saint Louis game, I thought Hansick
was very good. Griddon has kind of wowed me every
single night. I thought he's a little less effective in
the Saint Louis game, not according to the natural statureck though.
So I don't know. I don't know where we're going.

(19:35):
But the guy that's worrying me the most right now.
Oh hey, my Joel Ferrabee predictions not looking too bad
right now?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I forget about that? Yeah, you want to share that
one again for those who missed it.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I just said that he's going to be the guy
that's a breakout guy for the Flames this year. And
I mean I'm saying more jokingly.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Than anything because we're only three games in, right.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
But you know what I love to see about him.
On on Saturday, that guy was blocking shots and all
over the place.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
It looked like Gardnell out there again, I mean he was.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
I mean, I know a different position, but on the
penalty kill he blocked three big time blocks and I.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
He took a meeting for sure.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
He was. He's been really good this year so far.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
I like to seem a bit more opportunity. And it's
funny we that was Sharon go, but he's actually the
October calendar boy for the Flames. I don't. I'm really
curious what happens because pasposol I don't think of skating yet,
and Huberto's expected back on this road trip upcoming later
this week. So when Huberto comes back, I honestly, because
it's the easiest thing to do, I suspect they're going

(20:40):
to assign Grid into the Wranglers.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
If they I agree with you, but I've actually nothing.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, and again not that I agree with it. But
he's the easiest one to send down because you know,
there's no waiver concerns there. But it's also going to
depend on how the next hip of games go for him,
because he didn't look particularly dangerous in his last outing.
He's still trying to figure out the program. You know,
people often easily forget that this is his first season
of pro so.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
But think about this, like, Okay, so, I got some
stats on him from these first three games against Edmonton.
He had a team high five shots, six attempts. Who's
scoring chances, and he scored his first goal that he's
the fourth teenager to ever in Flames history to score

(21:31):
in their debut. Perrek again, La Brian Glenn and griddon
this guy. It's going to be a giant injustice if
they send this guy down.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Well, and I think they're going to do so for
the reasons it's mentioned, and because they seem to have
this philosophy that they have enough scoring and they can
figure it out by a comedian. I'm not convinced that's
the case at all.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's no they This team does not have scoring. They
don't even have a sniff of scoring. I'm not saying
that we can't have hubert o't play. We have to
have hubert o't play. He was actually very effective for
this team last year. I know people keep looking at
the dollar science and keep hating on him.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
That's another they're making peace of his each year ticks
off the contract. You know. Yeah, I do think that,
and we should jump into this as well, because we're
scoring is such a big concern. Preck has to play
as many games as possible for this team, generating an
offense at all.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
You know, I agree with you, But I also want
to say that I am a little bit disappointed in
one of what I consider the National Hockey League's most
knowledgeable fan bases. The outrage on the prrec thing, I'm
not getting it.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I'm not on the outrage that he was scratched the
first two games.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yes, I mean, come on, people, you've got to pick
and choose your moments. We put him in against Edmonton
and McDavid walks him three or four times. PreK is
not good defensively. He's not nhlready defensively. No one can
deny that, although that's why you work him in into
certain games. And I thought putting him in at home
against Saint Louis, and I thought he looked really good.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
I thought he was really, really really good.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, it was a little hesitant times, but I mean
that's that's questable, right.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
But I mean, come on, guys, let's take him up
to Rogers Place and let McDavid go run wild on him.
Uh uh, that is not what you do to a
young guy. And yes, I like him more than being.
Everybody's argument is he's better than Bean No shit.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, I think that's where most of the fury comes from.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
And he's not even played the same side as Being.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
No. Well, but it doesn't really, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
We tried.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
We tried him at left defense in preseason. He looked like,
you look like a junior player, you look like an
He was horrible.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
I'm still not convinced that's any worse than being though,
to be honest, this is the problem though. This is
the problem is the team we have. They gotta play
guys like him. They need guys like him in the lineup.
They need the skill, but the alternatives are abysmal.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Let me throw one more comparison. Last year, how this
team handled Dustin Wolf was it was masterbl I think
they worked him in in the right games. They did
the first two thirds of the season. They worked him

(24:25):
in in the right situations to succeed.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
They did it. Didn't play him again, they did. They
picked and choose nights.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Look go back and look at the first heart, all
the hard opponents. Voladara was in there. And then we
worked Wolf in and he had success, and we kept
working with him and working with him. And I'm not
saying that you scratch perrect now. All I'm saying is
you gotta get your matchups right. And going up to
Edmonton with a nineteen year old defenseman that struggles defensively
doesn't sound like a recipe for success. And you know what,

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I do believe he's going to be able to have
a higher offensive upside to offset that defense. And I
think the defense will get better too, I really really do.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's gonna have to and it will.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
But you got we just got to do this in
a positive way like we did with Wolf and just
work him into it. And I'm not tell saying that
tomorrow night you sit him out. I'm saying he maybe
plays tomorrow night, probably plays the Utah game, Maybe he
doesn't play the Vegas game.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
I'm just saying that we got to find the right
situations for the for the young man to succeed.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
I and he's gonna get time. Believe me.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
We need him, We need his offensive, We need it
big time. I don't know if coaching staff sees that,
but we need him big time. I just don't think
it's time to panic.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Well, we're three games in and it's easy to panic.
And I was getting all frushraan nextter in the Saint
Louis game because I just saw so many the telltale
signs of why this team failed last year, which regardless
of exceeding expectations, ultimately they failed. I mean, let's they
didn't make the playoffs. That's what you play the game
to do. So I'm not gonna harp on that, but
that's just how it is, right, You're totally right now.
So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Again, how do you fix it?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Because, like, would you agree though in the Saint Louis
game that we had ample scoring chances.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
That's what made it so frustrating. We generated a ton
of chances. We just have zero finish zero.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
So why why do we have zero finish?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Because I think there's a real dearth of high end
skill in the lineup, coupled with the fact that those
that may have it are not being you know, properly utilized,
Zory being one of them.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
So you think we have high end talent in the lineup.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
We might. I don't know, I can't. I don't know
about like Connor Zari and Morgan Frost. I hope does too.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
But I know, like I watch those two guys and
I I feel like they're like right there, but not
do you know what I mean by that?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
One hundred percent? But this is why I was complaining
on XI both throwing Zari in the fourth line. Like
I understand he you know, missed some time last year's injury,
and there's only so many players you can play in
your top nine, But he's not a fourth line center.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Putting him on the fourth line is not going to
help him.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
You might not help the team either.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
You might as well sit him out.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no. He needs to play up high
on the lineup because I think there's a potential there
to be a sixty or seventy point player. But the
way they're playing him, we may never know. I do
know that Cadre is another year older and is not
He's very streaky, he always has been as a scorer.
Hubert Oh has changed his game to be more of
a power forward. So when he plays, he you know,
for lucky you will get sixty points at him.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Again.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
The days of ninety one hundred hundred and fifteen are
long gone. As we all know, Coronado is the only
significant scoring threat on this team night in, night out,
because he has a world class shot, one of the
best shots in the league.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well and good and can be too if we don't
send him to the A.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Well, and he's only nineteen, So how consistent is he
going to be? Right now, I agree with you. He's
a legit scoring threat. He tore up Look Beckley last year.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Now here's one of the things that when they do
send him, Because I agree with you, that's what it's
what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I can promise you.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Hm, there better be more outrage on X than there
was about PreK because we know what Graydon.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Is so far. Yeah, yeah, he's the first rounder two people.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, I don't and I hate to say this, but
you know, based on what we've seen so far, and
things can change and it's super early. Again, I don't
think Sharon Govic ever touches thirty goals again.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
No, I have.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I hate to say this because this is this is
I don't even know if I want to even say
this publicly, but but I'm I'm losing faith in Sharon
gowich En.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Sorry I am, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Not in sorry yet, but the Sharon which contract is
at this point starting to look not good.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I'm not I shouldn't say I'm losing faith in Sorry,
I'm starting to worry a little bit.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
It's it fair to worry that when he's being deployed
in the fourth line. Nope, So in another ten games,
we'll have to revisit some of this because that's when
we kind of get it in. You know, guys are healthier,
the guys are going to be on the two team
to kind of find the regular linemates hopefully, and we
can kind of revisit some of the discussion because right
now it's just everybody's trying to figure the shit out
for lock of better away saying here, right, what.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Do you think of hansig? Uh?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
He definitely looks like a guy that's put on the
ten or fifteen bounds he put on. He looks a
lot stronger along the boards. He's not getting knocked all
over the ice and losing buck bottles. I really liked
his game so far, and I think you just mentioned
that as well, did you not?

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I did?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
I mean, I'm not losing my mind. It was one game,
but I thought he looked pretty decent. Okay, let's put
it the way. He looked better than I expected him
to be because when I saw him in the lineup,
in the lineup, I was a little bit taken back.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
He's Yeah, he's addressed some of the concerns I think
everybody had coming into the season after he get you know,
knocked out during his audition last year. But it also
makes me wonder what's going to happen with all these
guys because there's so many other players in the roster
that you know, are taking up space so to speak,
Like you know, Lomber, I think Klapka looks more like

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an e a day player at this point.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Justin Kirkle flying it. Yeah, I would. I'm I don't
care if I see Kirkland again this year. Terrible to say.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
It's almost like a pinch hitter in baseball. I just
wished put him in the shootouts.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Didn't score.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Now we'll hate him for that too. Yeah, I'm just
I am tired of the lomberg on out there every
single game.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
He was great against Saint Louis. That was a fantastic fight.
That was fun.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
It is it is great and it got the team going.
We still didn't score.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, well, and that's the thing. They got to get
away and I don't know if Dave Lowry being back
on the coaching staff helps us or up. They got
to get away again from that whole mentality of this
grind line, like that has to be there, you know,
they got they got to start rolling four consistent lines
that can play hockey at both ends.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Do you worry?

Speaker 1 (30:49):
No?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
I know we touched on this last year and it
didn't come up to me again until the Saint Louis game.
I kind of came to me a little bit.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Do you worry a little bit about? Uh?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
This team system, the Huska hang on for dear life
and win by one system?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I call it.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Absolutely does it stymy our offense though?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I mean that's what I That's what I see, and
I fear I just feel like it's Stemy's our offense
is because like you gotta, well, we sure can't get
into a track meet and win. So the only way
we're gonna win is to grind it out on a
night league basis. But when we grind it out on
a nightly basis, we have trouble scoring.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Well, then you don't win unless your goalth understands his
head and your team blocks one hundred shots because they
never have the puck, which is, you know, as much
as we applaud Joe Fairby's efforts, that's that's part of
the problem too, is that the puck's coming at him,
right yeah, all yeah, So again, I don't know. I
mean this because this team doesn't have enough established scoring talent.

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I don't know how much of it is being stymied
by HUSCA systems and how much of it we would
see more of under a different coach, which again is
why I don't like the contract extension. I don't think
he's earned it yet. To be quite honest, I'm trying
for a playoff spot. Is not success as much as
we want to pretend that it is, because the team
exceed expectations, like, it's just not.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I and I hate, like I you know, we watch
this the chase, right, It's it's great.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I'm glad the Flames do it. I love it. It's
it's fun.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
But I sit and I watch it, and believe me,
I'm not ignorant to the fact that we're only seeing
what they want us to see, right yep, But man,
it seems country club istion there.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well yeah, and I think part of it.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Is fun and I want the guys to have fun,
and I want the attitudes to be good, and I
want the guys to be excited to come to work
because that does equal wins in the long run. But
I don't know, man, I the deployment in the lines are.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
There, I don't know. I'm just on the different page.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I guess, well, the players know the cameras are rolling
when when that's going on. But I mean, I'll draw
a parallel or maybe it doesn't exist, but I mean,
right now, last I look, the Blue Jays are getting
smashed by Seattle and they have as country club seeming
an atmosphere as you'll ever find in pro sports. Like
they love one another right ortally.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
And I'm not saying I don't want the guys to
love each other. I'm saying, but that's a totally different sport.
That's not a sport where you got I mean, how
many times in baseball, I mean, like you either get
out or you get on right, I mean you can't.
What are you gonna What do you do when the
guy goes to the dugout hit better, I mean, like
he's trying to get on base like, But in hockey,
there's there's different levels of intensity. I always look at it,

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you know, and there's certain teams that are like just
frantically intense.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
But I'll push back a little bit here because I
think what I'm trying to allude to is the when
your roster is so friendly with one another, and when
you look like down the Dugo and everybody looks dejected
and defeated, and the game's only in the fourth inning,
right and you look at like a team like the Flames,
and they just need to be like and it's great
that they played for each other. Beats the hell of
what went on to Vancouver last year, right, Like, let's

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not pretend we're shitting on this, because we're not. No,
But I don't know that a group like that and
any given sport necessarily has the extra year they need
to find, right.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
So, and it's a mental thing that I mean, obviously
sports are very different. I appreciate what you're saying. I'm
just I'm trying to get my head around.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
I think it's just.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
A good thing. There's complacency starting to set in because
the team overachieved by everybody's standards last year. Right.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, that's a solid point. That's a solid point.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I don't know why I keep rolling back to that, though,
Kyle is they sit in and watch teams like Edmonton
and they're like, well, I'm rewinding here now too.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
A few years ago.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, he's controversially got pretty much run out, run out
of Winnipeg, kind of blackballed in San Jose. But he's
a royal pain in the ass.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Pain in the.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Ass, he said garbage to play against. Let's bring in
Evander Kine. Don't care what the media says. It's kind
of like Vegas saying, all right, we're gonna get the
best guys, and if we have to run some guys
out of here to be a winner, we're gonna do it.
We're here to win, like those mentalities, in those organizational mentalities.
As much as I don't like Vegas's mentality, they win though,

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and I want Calgary to be that way, but god,
I want Calgary to win well.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
And Okay, so here's like. I was disgusted by Mitch
Murner's behavior in Toronto in the playoffs last year. I
thought it was he looked like a horrible teammate and
he deserved to be traded out of town, which a
lot of people felt that way. Right now, this is
a guy who also took a ton of criticism for
a long time, deserve it or not. Now he's in
Vegas and when he could have potentially but unlikely, I

(35:49):
wound up in Calgary. I have to admit it. We've
at least given us an elite score that we desperately need.
So do you take on those personality quirks of an
elite player like soft player as he's been reported to be,
like Elias Petterson in Vancouver who couldn't handle the new
Rangers cats in JT. Miller?

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I know, I think JT. Miller's assholeness.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I love it. He works, already, wants to win. We
may have the same thing. We don't know what kind
of a personality zam Pre is going to be three
years into the league.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
We have no idea.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Well, and that's where it's interesting, right.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
When he makes comments that he he says, I'm not
here to play defense, I'm here to play offense.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
It makes you wonder, right, Well.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
And he comes from a very privileged background and in
a new family, and we all all those things and
I'm not saying them about pres character. I know nothing
about you know the other side of it. But we
all have a background that influences who we are, and
you have, you know, a mix of twenty some personalities
in a room, and then you're throw in a couple
of coaches, like, you know, guys, I think you have
to grind it out to get wins and block shots

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and don't worry as much about possession. Just make sure
you know protect your net. It's like there's so many
different variables involved here, and this is why we can't
get read anything until you know about the twenty game mark,
when it's like, hey, this is actually a decent hockey
team or holy shit, like we're just you know, white
knuckle on it. Every night that we step on the ice, that's.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Gonna be like American Thanksgiving and and we we and
I think most of this fan base, i'd say the
vast majority of this fan base on us. I'll get it, like, hey,
we're three games in and like, let's not burn the
place down here. But I don't think that my feelings
about worrying about our offense are any different now than
they were heading into the season.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I didn't think we were magically going to just score
goals this year. I think it's a concern. I think
it's going to be a concern a year from now well.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
And I think a lot of teams have probably watched
a lot of tape on Dustin Wolf now too and realized,
not that he has any weaknesses per se, but you know,
he's not going to be otherworldly every other night, and
that's going to expose some more works in this team.
I mean, we do have some things going for us, obviously, but.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
We can't pressure on him to do that.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
No, and I mean ball not getting hurt the sheer
will help Anderson, not even a broken football certainly help
if he sticks around for the air. And other than
the outing against Vancouver, he has looked a lot more
like he used to. Yeah, again, a lack of finished
but generating chances. Look, we haven't seen in a while.
So again I don't know like Huberto as much as
he's been down offensive thing in Calgary is a big
part of our attack. I think him playing, you know,

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in the powerplay of prect could be really sublime because
they're both such skilled, slick puck movers. But again it's
just it's too early to say. But the only thing
I can say as we've talked about so far, as
we've seen so many of the same frustrations ready year ago,
and they haven't been addressed in the least just three
games in Yep.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
No, I think I think you nailed a bang on
right there. So I do have a question that you
brought up Anderson.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Right Yeah, And longtime listener of the show.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
John McNeil sent me an email this week and he
and he had a question, and I thought, well, if
you're gonna ask me a question, I'm answering it on
the show. John, absolutely, so I'm gonna fire it at you.
And his question was what should the priority be for
a trade return on Anderson. Should we look for a
proven journeyman, a defensive defenceman, or futures.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
That's a great question because I think we'd be happy
to some exam with any of those. I think you're
looking at it at futures, but in the form of
you know, like a playmaking center, you know, like a
like a You're not you're not gonna get a blue
chip prospect for Anderson at this point, and you're gonna
you're gonna get something that's worth rowing the dice on, right,

(39:30):
maybe a roster player.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I and I and I also I don't know that
I and this is a thing though, when you're training
to defenseman to somebody, the odds are you're not going
to get a defenseman in return.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Unless you want a roster filler, right, like you know.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Roster But I am, well, and you might get this.
And I think on a lot on the left side,
we could really use a defensive defenseman.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Oh, I think so too. But it's a team like Dallas,
who's the most rumored trade partner, is going to be
low to give up a defenseman trying to acquire the
type of defenseman, especially a righty that they're missing right
to kind of try and make it up runs so,
but they do have the forward prospects to make a
trade pretty attractive. But I think we've discovered thus far
between last year and the early early part of this
season is that we're not competitive enough just yet to

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really look at doing like a hockey trade in the
conventional sense, right. I don't I don't think.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I would agree. I would agree. I I I agree
with you completely.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I mean I kind of think about like the Cousins
for Josh Norris trade and unfortunately for the Sabers Josh
Norris has injured long term, it looks like, but that
was a bit of a hockey trip. There's two young players.
If you can take a flyer on somebody, And I
often mentioned Trevor Zegris as an example from last year.
He wasn't working out Adnaheim. Somebody like that who could
just use a fresh start. That might be, you know what,
you try to acquire somebody who's ready to play but

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is probably two years away from it his prime.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
My worry though, is like, okay, so like let's you know,
like this Zegrast thing, if we would have brought him
in and then we have Kawdrey, Frost, Backlands. I mean,
we have centers, we just don't have first line in centers,
you know what I mean, Like we aren't Our centers
aren't bad. But Codrey is the second liner, Frost is

(41:15):
a second liner. Backland's a third liner, you know, I
hate to say it, like Rooney or Kirkland is a
good fourth liner.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Like wow, I've reordered that a little bit. Cadrey is
a second for sure, and so is Frost back on
the third, trending towards being a fourth just basically.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
And I think we'll be a fourth I don't next year.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Kirkland's is the same thing he's always been. He's Kirkland's
a good AHL player. Yeah, I don't think he's necessarily
a fourth line NHL center. And I'm talking about, you know,
like the Derek we always have without Derek Ryan because
we liked him so much. But Derek Rime is a
great example that Kevin Rooney, who was playing well, proved
you could, you know, fill that role.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
But do you know what else we have? We don't
have any centers that are winning draws this year. Frost
has been pretty good. Everybody else has been garbage.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Didn't it start off well in Edmonton? Then it kind
of fell off a cliff.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
We were no, we were bad on face offs in Edmonton,
better in Vancouver and decent against Saint Louis.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, because I know throat camp that was a real
focal point. But oh, I don't know. Again, it's it's
so really it's it's it's hard. It's frustrating because we're
seeing the same problems we've had for a while now. Yeah,
you sum it up.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
A little bit ago though, I mean, we magically think
they're going to change, but none of the parts have changed,
so why would we naturally think they would change.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Oh, this sounds like a relationship thing again.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Anyway, circles back to that.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Oh well, everything everything in life is. I love analogies,
as our listener as well know. But as far as
the composition of this team goes, though, there's just there's
so many middling type players, you know that. And I
don't mean that to sound derisive towards anybody in the team.
It's not at all. It's just we we again, we

(43:09):
lack high end talent. And because and I get so
tired of the phrase now, because you're all the time
like this whole mushy middle thing in terms of drafting
and where we finish in the standing. It's like it
becomes very tiresome because we just can't get the elite
talent that you need to win, right.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
We are mushy middle because our players are mushy middle.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Well, it's these are the team These okay, all the
players we have if we had a fire sale the
trade deadline, these are the types of players everybody else
is gonna want to round out the roster to make
a Cup run. Whether it's Coleman Kawdrey Backland, a guy
like pahol like, but the superstar player. The only one
we have right now is Dustin Wolf. The one we
might have is Preck, although Weager is very much you know,

(43:54):
goodin I think I again, he's nineteen though we don't
we don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
We might want direct Rex nineteen two.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, but well I realized that. But PreK has got
a pedigree like very few prospects have. Right, He's the
only defenseman since Bobby or to back the back veryical season.
Junior doesn't mean he's gonna pan out, but Gridden could
end up being a fifty point winger, not a ninety
point winger.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Right, I'm gonna say something bold here, here we go.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I don't know that Hunter Breustevitch doesn't work out as
well or better than PreK.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
He certainly could. He's got all the tools too. But
the problem is is, you know how many teams have
two elite right side you know, offense such defenseman.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
So maybe you package him and somebody else, and but
no one's gonna give you a first line center. Everybody says,
you know what I'm gonna do this week, I'm gonna
go through every roster. Look at every first line center,
and I'm gonna weed out the unlegit first line centers
like Lyndholm and Boston.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
He's not number one center.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
I'm gonna pick all the number one centers and I'm
gonna look at how those teams acquired that number one center.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Well, look at like, let's look at I just flipped
open the Hockey News with you off to talk about
the last show, like after Crosby and Malkin, Like, who
do the Penguins have coming for like elite centers?

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Nobody. That's why they're projected to suck for the next decade.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Well, they get, you know, kindall playing for the hit
Men twenty seven to twenty eight arrival, then to find
another center in their top ten a whale and Hohrkoff
he's in Michigan this year twenty seven twenty eight again.
So they're gonna have a gap between when their two
best centers retire and when they're next two or anywhere
near NH already mm hmm. And I'm using them as
an example because they have two legit superstar centers, like

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they're so so hard to come by, and think about
all the ones we watched right, like Sakic and Eiserman
and these you know, these guys that were just so
so good, They're not very common.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
There's a handful of them, see a handful of teams
are going to have them, you know, And I don't know,
it's it's a problem though, it's a problem. We have
a lot of good players and not a lot of great.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Players, which is what's going to make this season so
interesting or not in a playoff position come the deadline.
There's some pieces that you can get a pretty decent
return for I feel. But again, as I've said all along,
even though Wolf has not been fantastic to start the year,
I think he's too good for this team to really
you know, this whole team tank thing that you're hearing

(46:16):
as we always hear in Calgary, right, I just don't
think it's realistic with the goaltender that good, and when
you have enough middling decent pieces that you're still going
to eke out a couple of those three two wins, right,
I mean, who knows?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
But and another worry is I this backup goalie thing.
We've got to get get it figured out.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
This week.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
We got to figure out if I mean I know
we can't base everything on Cooley's one performance Wednesday night,
but I mean, like we kind of got to get
a little bit of a gist of it because we
cannot run Wolf to the ground this year.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
We just can't.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Well let's think about this. So you just got me.
You just kind of provoked a thought there. We always
talk about, you know, finding kippersoft successor, and I think
we can all agree we likely have and Wolf. That's
why they committed to the contract of what they have.
But I mean in Phillies had the same problem for decades,
you know, finding a steady goaltender. Toronto's another example. It's

(47:07):
it's very akin to the elite center thing, right, like
an elite gold tender. How many and like, really, if
you think about it, how many really good backups have
we had? Vladar was actually quite good as a backup.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
And was fine. I can't believe I'm even gonna say this.
I'm waiting for lightning to strike me. I thought David
Riddick was fine in the backup role.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I was.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I was really hoping that he would have been, you know,
plucked off favors.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
As soon as we extended him out of that backup
role and tried to give him a little leash.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
Things went haywire.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
But I don't know about what a find. I mean
for signing out to the Czech Republic, a guy that
could's biak English. Nobody knew about. Fantastic find by the
Flames at the time. But I mean who else, Like
I always talk about Curtis Joseph in his half season mccagrey,
incredible backup again at that like the one I've been
clamoring for.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Jamie McLennan did a hell of a job mean was
run and won his games that he needed to win.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
But then we go again. We go through Curtis mcaleney,
who later became a very relable backup when he actually
had a chance, Brian Bouchet, Phil Sove, Karrie Ramo, Yonis Hiller.
These are guys that either were became a backup during
the time of Calgary. Right, Yeah, you want Adio, you know,
like reliable, reliable goaltenders in general don't grow on trees. No,

(48:26):
Who's so let's let me ask you this then, And
maybe I don't know if you've been able to think
of one. I've been thinking about it off and on.
Who is a realistic target that you'd like to see.
Let's say try in that backup role.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Well, the rumors were flying about who's so, and I'm
not sure that I don't like that.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I think I like that.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
We do love finished goaltenders in Calgary.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Well, and I think going into that role, I think
he's he's showing proven success, like i'd be. I'd be
totally good.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Going in getting him, be totally good getting him. I'd
feel really comfortable. But you know what, it's hard to
find a good backup and they don't grow on trees
and I and you know now and makes me wonder, gosh,
you know, I don't. But the thing is we could
have offered the world of Voldaur, and Valdaur left for
an opportunity and I don't blame him for that, and
I don't think we're gonna at all right, but Billy

(49:17):
whoso has kind of been around the block a little bit,
I you know who else I And people might freaking
throw swords at me for this, but like, would you
be upset if James Rymer was here.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
As human being? I'm not a big James Rymer fan,
but as a goaltender, I don't care for league minimum
try him out. I really don't. Yeah, like I don't
when he's had a very good NHL career. He did
make the cut in Toronto, although nobody I think he
was just there as an extra body. You know, I
don't think it was realistic that he was going to
be on that team. Yeah, why not? And like I

(49:50):
said Samson off, like why yeah, you just seen a
guy who has some experience stopping Pak's NHL level and
other than what we don't have any of that.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Well, i'd love like idea, like I said it earlier
than this, Stu, like I'd love to have a cam tell.
But because I know what you're getting as a person.
I know what you're getting as a guy that would
be willing to mentor. And and you know, I mean,
but they don't grow on trees, right, No.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
And I still struggle, And maybe I didn't pay enough
attention during camp, but I don't really see what Cooley
did to earn the job over prop Stuff. Now, the
one was good.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
They were both brutal, but was worse Well.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I kind of did too, and prop Stuff's a very
big man. And like I said before, I think I
really liked the contrast of him with smaller goalie and
a huge goalie as your tandem.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Wouldn't you feel more comfortable having prospotaf on Wednesday night going?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
I would be absolutely.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I think there'd be less pressure on him too, because
the fan base, I don't know, we grow an expectation,
right when we get Cooley last year, and they'd be like, oh,
he's gonna be the backup next year.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
We as a fan base get expectations. Then when they
let us down, it's like kick the can of the curb.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Well, Cooley is also a big, big, big personality, which
draws more attention to him, right, and good good on him.
You know that that's an asset and that's who he is,
and he's had some fantastic soundbites and he is a
good goal thunder. But you're right, he's going to be
more of a lightning rod than a relatively unknown large
Russian would be who didn't even play in the league
last year. But has you know, I think he has. Yeah,
he did more iNHL experience. Actually, the cool would from

(51:14):
years gone by.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
A little less pressure, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Exactly, But regardless, by Christmas, we're gonna have a different backup.
If not significantly sooner, Right, I gotta believe that who
it is. I like the who's so argument too, But
I feel like Rymer might have done the field flurry thing.
He went back to Toronto trying to end his career
where it started.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, and I'm just throwing names out here.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Yeah, so, but I don't even know if he's an option,
But but I agree, Yeah, it's a worthy one to
bring up for sure.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, what is lies ahead? This week?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
We'll get out of here Tuesday, Vegas in Calgary. Wednesday,
Calgary heads to Utah and a horrible travel back to
back and we actually get a night game on a
Saturday night, hockey night in Canada.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Calgary's in Vegas to visit there.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, that was a lot. We had a lot to
talk about today, a lot to unravel for three games.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I think we could have kept going to just the
there's so much to discuss. I'm off to Autowa for
work next week and I'm back in audible the following
week for the Flames and Stators, so we'll talk more
about that.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
As will well, sir.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
H week.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
We record on a Sunday for a Monday release, so
it'll be a day earlier for everybody. Flames playing Monday
night and Kyle's traveler, So yeah, I take.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
From that one.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yes anyway, No, it's again, it's it's it's early, it's
it's I'm glad we're as engaged as we are. But
no panic, buttons, uh, justtion. We'll see how the next
few games. Maybe next week.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
You for you, Oh, there'll be.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I think this year we're gonna have some really fun
moments and some really really trying moments.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I'm already meant.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
To be prepared myself.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Or even hockey dame. That is that is it is, Harry.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Flames fans enjoy this week's three games, and yeah, we're
back next Monday. Drop on the next episode. Have a
good week, flamstanced be.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
So, guys, take care.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
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