September 17, 2025 • 51 mins
Wolf Locked Up Long Term– Flames Unfiltered – Episode 256
Hosts- Brad Burud @BradBurud and Kyle Lewis @vanlewis14
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hello, Flames fans, it is time another episode of Flames Unfiltered,
hosted by myself, Brad Rude and Kyle Lewis. We are
here for season seven. As I yes, hockey was back.
We're camps open in a day, and uh yeah, it's
an exciting time.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Pretty wild man. I'd like to know where that summer went.
I'm not unhappy about hockey being back. I'm it's like,
how the hell are we sitting here already?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Though? I kind of struggled the last three weeks, like
I just I don't know. I like, it was such
a blob boring off season.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Oh, in terms of hockey news, it was horrible.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It was.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I went on record many times saying it was the
worst that I've ever ever endured, and I don't think
it's even close. But I you know, I tried to
get involved in have some really good vacations. I tried
to I get really into baseball. I went to four
Jay's games last week.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I know you've been. That's what happens when your team's winning, right, Well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm just you know, I find the summer I just
never really bought into anything like so forgetting anyway, I've
been really of course, the Jay's really good this year,
so that made it easy as well. But ultimately it
doesn't matter. I mean, at the end of the day,
Hockey's will we love by far the most, and we
got quite a lot to talk about. Actually, the last
week has been kind to us as Flames fans in
terms of news.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I feel I think it's been kind to the show
because like we literally had nothing to talk about all summer.
We did shows every single week, thanking us for some
special episodes. We hoped all our listeners enjoyed those, and
we took three weeks off now as we prepped four seasons,
having some new graphics, some new different things and uh
but yes, the same great hockey talk with Kyle and
(02:06):
I and we're excited to be here. But thank goodness
for some news and and we'll get into that today.
I did see something today And you know, we've always
talked about on the show, like I'm kind of like
the old school guy. You kind of are on certain things,
but you're a little bit more. You're a little bit
more progressive than I am. The Washington Capitols are going
(02:27):
back to paper tickets. I love it now see. Now,
this is something I think you would love. This is
an old school thing that Kyle would love.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, I used to collect the stuff from and
even hockey games at one point. What what's the impetus
for that? Why are they doing that?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I don't know. I just saw they announce their new
jersey thing, and then they put out another tweet saying
that for the upcoming season, Uh, they're going to do
old school paper tickets that are going to be available.
So well, that's I mean, I think they'll still probably
have the the digital ones too, But I mean, I
don't know. I was used to as a kid. I mean,
(03:09):
like I still have all the stubs from all the
NHL games I went to as a kid and as
a young adult, and that was part of the thing. Man,
I went to a game, I had my ticket stub
and I bought a program to every single thing.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The only ticket stuff I still have is the one
from Dromeginlar retirement night March second, twenty nineteen. And I
would have liked to have kept one from the kippersoft
and I too, but that was digital ticket, right, so.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Did ital ticket? That's what that see, that's the crappy thing.
Like it'd be cool, like to put like a collage
like photo thing with a picture from that night, the
ticket stub whatnot.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, That's what I did. The Gimla one I
have framed with a photo of him signed, another photo
of him and the two T shirts that gave away
that night are framed in there as well.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Isn't that see that that makes it special? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool. But yeah, I mean, I mean,
you know, I obviously often talked about like our large
musicalleection to like I have almost a thousand CDs, which
I rarely ever listened to the actual CDs. I typically
just list of stuff that I've imported into hard drives
and through Spotify and whatever. But anyway, collecting collecting stuff's cool.
But also it's like the game more Jersey thing. For me,
it gets out of hand really quickly if you are,
you know, mindful, because.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
We're obsessive, compulsive people, and when we collect something, we
feel like we need to have everything.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And you'll appreciate this. You know how long it took
me to complete my Rat collection, like those obscure late
nineties albums like the self titled Rat.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And good Luck getting that one right now.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think I have it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I know it's almost impossible to find well.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Because it is at a print and was not good.
So anyways, enough about Brad's favorite band. Where where do
we begin with? You know, season seven?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You pick Kyle, you pick man. I'm ready to talk
about anything, whether we it's I'm like, we do whatays
doing the show. It's open game, man. We just go
from the himp and we have fun and we cover
it all and.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Go, well, let's start with the big news. I guess right,
because that just feels appropriate. So dust a Wolf's contract.
I don't think I've ever texted you so no. The
only the time I text you that quickly I think
was when the Huberto trade happened.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh yeah, I remember that day. We've told that story
one hundred times in the show.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, but the Wolf one, like like, yeah, it was
right away.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You got it to me right away. I was in
a meeting and I'm such a loser. Some men's meetings
get so boring, so like I will open my phone.
I can't really do anything, but like I just saw it,
like literally saw it in the text game throw Yeah,
yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I can't remember how I first saw it. I feel
like somebody sent it to me, but usually I'm pretty
quick to find that stuff o myself. But anyway, broke.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
This so coud do you know that the Flames broke this?
No insiders, the Flames broke this.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, that was pretty cool. I'm like elated by it.
I think it's a fantastic, fantastic contract. Probably will turn
out to be jinks, of course, but probably the smartest
signing the Flames I've ever made.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know, boy Kyle stop.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well there's not a lot of things to compete with it,
but I mean the dollar value at seven point five
per year is fantastic for a goaltender of Wolf's pedigred
when he's show him thus far. And because I mean
this could have been up in the eight nine, you know,
like for maybe not this offseason because he only has
the one rookie he's played, but it's a super reasonable
cap it and what it expires, he's still going to
(06:29):
be lot to think in his primeiers.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Well honestly, like yeah, like heading in I mean heading
into this year, it was it was a contract they
didn't need to sign. Now, how his play would have
progressed this year could have made it an eight or nine. Absolutely,
I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you, though, Kyle,
Like I did think it was going to be eight eight, eight,
eight and a half, and it comes out at seven
(06:52):
and a half for seven years as of a ten team.
No trade that comes in in the final five of
this seven year contract, which I feel like is irrelevant
at this point. I think, you know, I'm always like
the nervous Nelly about stuff and it's like, is this risky? Yes,
(07:14):
but tell me a contract that isn't risky, right, I mean, like,
I'm going to be realist about this, Like I love
what Dussin Wolf did last year when when we put
a close on last season's like regular season episode. I
think the thing I took away the most was the
fact that what did we learn last year? We learned
that we finally have a number one goalie since Meka
(07:34):
Kippersoft well, I shouldn't say that we had Jacob Marksim
and Jacob Marksman was very very well, but we finally
had a replacement for Markstrom that was a prospect that
we were hoping with panout that proved his worth in
his first year big Time. Big Time proved his worth.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure what the stats would
show in us that my belief at least is that
we would have finished probably twenty points less than standing.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So with him, I would I would agree, I would,
I would agree. Now, but where does this take us?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You know, we got a guy that has I was
at seventy one games experience. I believe it is. Uh,
you know, he sits in there with and here's the comparables, right,
you know, Aiden Hill gets six point two five at
six I think this is way better than you know, like,
he's way better than him, dostol snayme six and a
(08:31):
half five years, way better than him. You see Sorrows
seven point seven four for eight years, I put him probably.
I think Sorrows is a really good goal. I think
where you get to see the full capabilities of Wolf
Wolfe's age. Yeah, I would take his contract over the
Sorrows A contract that got signed last year Swimon eight
(08:53):
point twenty five for eight years. It looked like garbage
the first year, right, I don't know, let's pray that
this one doesn't. I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Don't, honestly, I don't even think that it can because
Wolf is just so so skilled, but it plays the
game a different way, right.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
My only pushback on that. And and I'm not worried
that Wolf's gonna regress. I worry about his numbers regressing
slightly in the fact that I think even this year,
probably more than last year, we have some some more
offensive and especially defensive worries. Right, so I think he's
gonna get taxed really really hard this year, and I
(09:33):
could see his numbers regress, But I'm gonna tell you
straight up right now, that's not gonna boohoo me on
Dustin Wolf in the future of Dustin Wolf and Colgary
at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I mean, I don't know, there's so many, so many things,
you know, to be determined about that in terms of
like what does a full year of Connor's area look like,
what does Morgan Frost for Fullier look like? To Sharon gogutrebound?
And I don't think offense wive be much of an issue,
is not as much as it was anyway. And then defensively,
I don't expect I don't think we could expect Joel
(10:01):
Hanley to have this going to be a year we
don't know what's gonna happen with Anderson's the definitely questions
on d But I don't know, man, like, he's just
so good just a lot of nights last year it
didn't matter how the team played, which is ridiculous, but
that's that's what we saw, right, And he only laid
an egg, you know, the night I was in Toronto,
he didn't play well. And there was maybe one other
game where it's like he was getting kind of shell
(10:22):
but he was a rookie goaltender with a very weak
team in front of him. All told, relatively speaking, So oh,
sky's a limit. But you know, to to cap that,
I mean, he's he's proud to be a Calgary Flame.
He signed long term and a great cap it. I mean,
this is by far the tidiest contract work that that
Conroy's done yet.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, and I mean I thought I thought the weaker
deal was was a pretty pretty effective deal too, uh.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Oh for sure. Yeah, and that's probably probably second. But
I mean, to lock up a goaltender of this pedigree
at that age, for that type of we kind of
knew what Wiker was. We knew he was gonna be
really good. I don't know if he knew he was
as good as he is he got to Calgary. But
I don't know that this is like a franchise altering signing.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
To me, I would I would agree, let's this, hope
what alters it in the positive way? And I don't
have anything any reason to believe it. Won't you put
it to you?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That's not gonna be Eric DiPietro, I know that.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So no, I mean, but but I am gonna Warren
Flames fans like I think we're gonna have some rocky
roads ahead, and I think that's okay, And I hope
I'm wrong because I thought rocky roads were coming last year,
and last year this team tied for the final last
(11:37):
playoff spot, so I have not always been correct on that.
So I'm I'm super excited. I'm super excited to see.
And then the other contract that we talked about that
we were kind of all just patiently, patiently waiting the
whole summer was was Connor's are and and and and
where was that gonna go? And it ended up falling
into a three year, three point seven seven five million
(11:59):
dollar deal. Pretty cool. I guess I'm pretty exciting. I
think that's a fine contract. I think that's a smart contract,
and you might you might say that that in its
own way is as tighty as uh as tighty as
the Wolf, because we're gonna get to really see without
(12:20):
investing too much into where the future goes with connors Are.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, and I think Zara is much less of a
sure thing. That showed so well at times that this
guy's kind of linit form in a lot of ways,
especially when you look at a those high school places
he made that most of them he couldn't quite finish.
But man like started with the overtime winner in Vancouver
the first game of the season. Actually, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the first thing that comes
to mind. And like, I'm really high on this guy.
And and like I agree with your comment that he's
he's probably less of a lock, right, I mean I
think everybody would agree. And I and I see a
ton of skill and you know, it's kind of like
the like we saw with Morgan Frost last year. It's
like he gets here right there. Yeah, it's just like
(13:06):
we gotta we gotta finish, right, And that's what we're
gonna learn this year. And I don't know, I think
it's uh, it's it's a good deal. It's a it
expires one year from UFA eligibilities, so that protects the organization.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Oh no, big time time.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think we all have hopes of a fifty to
sixty point guy, I think, isn't that where we're sitting?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think at the minimum, yeah, I mean, he could
be seventy eighty if he really pans out. But at
the end of the day, we really don't know. And
it's it's a little strange to me in a sense
that this contract took so long to do because it's
so predictable in terms of length, in terms of dollar value.
But I say that I can also understand why the
player and the team would have both been also open
(13:52):
to longer term options, Like, you know, we know this
is going to be a fit, we just don't have
quite as much evidence as we'd like, and the player
is probably thinking I can cash in way more of
what's really showing and capable of. So it just makes
all the sense of the world. And thankfully, the best
part about this is was it got done for a
training camp open.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Absolutely that is the biggest news. I think, you know,
I want to talk a little bit more about that.
I think I agree with you this one surprised me
that a drug out like this, and I think we
all kind of knew where it was going to come
down to. And I think the team stance was, Hey,
we love what we see. Unfortunately not because of your doing,
but because of health. We're not one hundred percent sure
(14:31):
because we haven't got the full picture yet, right. And
I think Connor Zarry's sitting there going liked what you saw,
like you liked what you saw in Coronado, can we
like work something here? And I think he was pushing
maybe for a little bit more and a little bit
more certainty. And I think this is a good contract
(14:51):
for the team, and quite honestly, in the end, if
Connor z Area works out, it's going to be a
great contract for him too, because he'll really cash you
in after that, after that time's up.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah. Yeah, And I don't think there's really any risk
at all with this deal. It's not big money, it's
not long term. It positions the player and the team
both really really well. And I think the other thing
that kind of plays in this, and you can see
it in the cap pits that we've seen so far.
The way use the two examples of discussing Wolf and
Zari in terms of where they're at. It seems like
these players are all committing to team friendly deals, at
(15:24):
least in terms of dollar value in Zari's case, and
in so doing, the message seems to be, and you
can tell from Conroy and the mediavailability, it's like, Okay,
they're building something special here. Everybody's scided, was Zamee Perrek
coming in. They've got Wager, who's a rock Wolf signing
the Frost and fair Bee trade and what that may
potentially do. Like, everything's kind of moving in the right
(15:45):
direction quicker than any of us have thought. And I
think the players are inclined to leave a little bit
of money on the table to see where this goes.
And if it doesn't, you know, if by the time
that contract's coming up in three years the team is
you know, barely making the playoffs or missing or whatever,
then that's obviously the things didn't pan out the way
it all hope. But I think the reality is is
the team is positioning itself and building a core that
(16:06):
wants to be in Calgary and be a part of
what they're doing. Because they're a very young team, they
have you know, Kevin balls with a piece for shaments
and you know, really good shutdown defenseman. Everything's kind of
in place, and that would just have to see where
it goes. And I think everybody's in the same mindset
that this is a team that is worth being part of.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I agree. I I think there's a lot of positivity
and I think there's a lot of moving in the
right direction. But with that, you're you're going to have
a lot of uncertainty. One uncertainty I have when you
when you look at this Connors, everything is like, where
do you feel? And I'm really interested to get your
take on this. Where do you see him a bet?
(16:45):
I mean we all obviously all want him to be
that that center, but do you see that or do
you see him probably fitting into the wing better?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'd love I mean, if you can work on his
face offs especially, I'd want to see him as a center,
because I think he has a skill set and the
puck chasing abilities to be a really good center and
a two way one of that. Playing wing is a
bit easier in terms of responsibility. It's more of a
north south game. You'll cover your points in the dzel
and that type of stuff, So if he doesn't start
to progress as a center, he easily slots him in
the wing. But we are it's a great opportunity for
(17:19):
him because our center depth is not great at this point.
The organizational depth is much better than it has been
with the recent draft, but Condre's getting older. Back when's
getting older, somebody needs to step up and assume one
of those center roles. And I could see if if
Zari can prove to be a center through at camp
early in the season, then he could be our top
one guy, which could push Gadri to the second spot,
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which would be absolutely ideal. I feel but that's a
huge ask, But I do think it's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I think that's a giant ask. Would I love to
see it? Yeah? Do I see Connor's area is a
number one center? Probably not. If you could tell me
that he is our second line center four years from
now and he's putting up fifty to sixty points, that'd
be great. I would be happy as can be, right.
I guess you know, time will tell on this one.
(18:07):
I feel like he's probably and this is not a
genius statement here or anything like that. I feel like
you probably fits in in the wing. Better. And that
just comes down to basically the fact that it's harder
to be a center in the National Hockey League, right,
I mean, I'm big.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Time it's hard to be a center in general when
I play hockey. Center is a much more difficult position.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It is, and there's just a lot of other variables
that go along with that. So other news, I'm interested
to get your take on a couple of different things here,
Ryan Leslie off to Toronto. Where does that leave the
Calgary Flames broadcast team and your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Uh well, I mean I met Ryan Leslie when he
was with Bradrie living in Columbus back in twenty nineteen,
and clearly they had a close relationship. And this is
one d per you know, something that Bradrili was involved in.
It's really difficult, especially in Canada to ignore an opportunity
in Toronto. I mean that it's the fourth largest city
in North America. It's by far the lateers Canadian city.
(19:11):
It's just a huge opportunity for him and it's not
dissimilar to Rick Ball going to Chicago, right, you know,
original sixth Market with Connor Burdar. So it's a tough
toll to swallow, and I don't think it's one that
any of us really seem coming. But it also creates
some really interesting opportunity for somebody else, and we should
talk a little bit about that. So I think the
first of all, Ryan was great. I always enjoyed him,
super nice guy, knows the game players loved him. So
(19:32):
it sucks to see him go. But there's some really
really good media talent in Calgary that would like to
be a fit for this role. We're gonna know very
soon who was going to be. I think the front runner,
and you know, tell me if you disagree, but I
suspect Brendan Parker is the first one that's going to be.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I think he's the front runner. I've heard a bunch
of different names, from Cammy Koepka to at Steinberg to
which By the way, both of those two I I
have a lot of respect for, and I think they both.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Kenny Kepke actually she got her start in Monkton. She
was on CTV news here for years until she moved
to Calgary. I think she's actually from here if I'm
not mistaken, but yeah, she's she's She's another candidate for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I've heard Megan Michelson's name come out there, and I
don't know how I feel on that one. Uh, I
would agree completely. I think Brandon Parker is the front
runner for that and I think we'll get that announcement
out he is the replacement, and I think we'll get
that this week. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And the other one we should mention is on TSN
for years of Kate Berness with Satasha Stanzski, who's you know,
really well thought of being the Calgary media for a
while now and a little bit of a dark horse candidate,
but presents herself very well, speaks very well, and you
know now that we're talking about it, just based on
the composition of the Flames broadcast team and the Sportsnet
team that covers Calgary, I would like to see a
(20:54):
woman in that role. I think we'll just add a
bit of a different dynamic to it.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm just gonna tell you straight up, I don't care
if it's man, woman or what it is. I want
the best person and I do too.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I just think some of our best Canada's happened to
be women.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
And see some very capable ones for sure in this one.
So but I but I refuse to I just I
don't know. I I just want the best person right
and the one who deserves it the most. And and
I'm not in the inside to know exactly who deserves
it the most. My bad. If I was in Vegas
right now, I would see that Brandon Parker would get it.
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But but you know what, we could be really really surprised.
I'm gonna probably go against what a lot of people say,
though I hope they don't uh mess it with anything
with the TV crew and uh, I love Kelly Rudy
still being part of the teams, and I hope people
criticize them and I'm not sure really why, but.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, and it's it's it's a little yeah, it's a
little tough you know this season too, given you know,
the lost to curtain January last year. So it's I
don't up. It's gonna be a very different looking team
in terms of you know, the supporting cast, so was
speaking terms of the broadcast team. So I'm very curious
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and opening night to see what that whole presentation looks
like and outside of the things we just discussed, and
we saw this all over social media, all over social media,
was Amazon Prime kind of kicked everybody else in the ass,
and you don't run a hockey broadcast.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Right, you know. I remember the night the first one
was and I remember me and you talking in the
next day and I was just I was wowed. I mean,
it was a topic on our show the next week.
We were both wowed by it. And I tell you something,
and you please correct me if I'm wrong, because you're
way more in the know about Sportsnet than me. I
watch it every day, I guess I. But I'm not
(22:45):
in Canada, right, so like I can't. It's not ill.
I do get it every day, though, But I I
feel like sports Net doesn't give a crap about how
good Amazon's production was. They're just going to keep running
the same show out there because we're just sports Net
and that's just how we do it. And I think
I feel like sports Set's way too.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Entitled.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Entitled, and I feel like, yeah, it's a great word.
And I feel like they are just way too nonchalant
about their talent that they have and in retaining their talent.
And I just feel like all they're worried about is
getting the cheapest production they can possibly do and make
(23:29):
the most they can possibly make.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, there's a few things that you know, bear discussing there.
I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that
when TSM lost out in the battle of for the
NHL rights, excuse me, some ten years ago or so,
I didn't know it at the time, and I was
quite a bit younger than too, but it seemed to
me that it very much created a sports monopoly in Canada.
So the Toronto Blue Jays are on sports Net, Toronto
(23:53):
Raptors are on sports Net. The only original broadcast TSM
now has to believe is the Ottawa Senators.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Winnipeg Jets.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh, yes, that's right. Excuse me, yes, what a pig
Jets as well.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
But to your point yet Montreal though too, don't.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
They in the French market?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, but in terms of the overall percentage of you know,
league representation, it's incredibly one sided. And because of that,
they have a tendency as well. And I've talked about
this with people in the league and around it, they
have a propensity for hiring like any x NHL player,
many of whom do not belong in front of a camera.
And I'm not gonna get in the name of names
that it doesn't matter, no, but it just they just
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throw jobs at people who are not capable. They hang
on to people who I don't you know, personally enjoy
or feel have, you know, putting their time, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, I swear all they worry about right now is
making sure and I love this guy, but I think
all they're worried about is making sure they keep Elliott
Friedman happy and hell with the rest of them.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, but it's funny too because it comes a little
bit of the cult of personality. And we saw it
around Don Cherry, and we see it around Ron McClean.
We've seen around Elliott Freeban. It's like now people are
kind of like making jokes about the way he says
certain things are and that's all fun It comes with
being immediate personality. But they don't do a very good
job of growing talent, much the same as the Flames
didn't for you, right in terms of poor drafting and
poor player development. But the most egregious thing about it all.
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I mean, you can like and just like certain hockey personalities,
but what really drives me crazy is the fact that
they have the goal to charge. I think it was
an extra eighty dollars a year for this service because
they know they have most of us buy the balls
in terms of blackout restrictions, so we're all paying more
for a service that, unless something changes drastically, the NHL
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season starts, is terrible quality. The streams are always delayed.
The equality is you know, it's it's hit and miss
or at the night.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I have to literally put my phone in my couch cushion,
in my side on my couch cushion so that I
don't accidentally see a tweet about a goal before it happens.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, and I have to do the same thing. And
to me, if if you're gonna it's funny, I went
through this at my local gym recently. If you're gonna
charge more for something, don't lie to Yeah, don't lie
to me and tell me it's great, and don't lie
to me and tell me it's gonna get better when
it's not. And this is exactly what's happen in sports.
And this is exactly why I put the gym is
going to And it wasn't just me. It was like
a mass exodus of us, the same as there has
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no Sports Net plus because you're not like inflation is
one thing, price adjustments are one thing. But to hit
somebody with a large increase and then try to twist
the narratives to say, oh, we offer this in this
and half these things and things we don't care about,
and it's all we want is a better quality product. Yeah,
and some and some consistency, and I want a.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
One more thing about them. And usually take the Thursdays off.
Not so much right now because of my kid's a
sports schedule, but usually Thursday is my hockey catch up day,
get the podcast situated everything, It's my day. Why do
when I turn the TV on? It said, and am
(27:01):
I got Sports Central on? Why do we have to
rerun it until eleven o'clock in the morning, over and
over and over and over and over and over and over.
Can we not put some hockey talk shows on? There's
one hundred of them out there. Can we not put
some things on other than just regurgitating. I would even
care if they did thirty minute Sports that Central, a
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thirty minute leap maple leaf show, or a Canuck show
or a flame show, and then did thirty minutes Sports
cent Central, and then the thirty minutes of the another
Canadian team, like give us some hockey talk like it's
cheap to produce. There's plenty of people out there doing it,
and like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Jeez, you might carefully might cannibalize our own show, right, yeah,
well but to your point, and like I actually it's
funny at top of this on when it was in Toronto,
it's Saturday with a buddy of mine, like it used
to be an hour show, and an hour show you
were all see producing or presenting double the content. So
(28:03):
now all the games that aren't a leased in Canada,
that aren't Toronto Montreal into Electric Step, the other Canadian
teams or you know, Evanton gets a lot of coverage
because David all of a sudden, all these other games
get minimal coverage, some don't get any like no highlights,
or they get a fifteen second highlight package instead of
you know, two minutes. And it's so compressed. And I
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actually enjoyed the hour format. But I mean, obviously they're
trying to hit as many people as they can, as
many demographics as they can. But it is a bit
frustrating because it's just and I'm the idiot to leave
it on for you know, I do do you know, like.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
This is a sixth time I've watched this home run.
I mean, I don't know, Okay, on the bigger and
better things we rip.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
On, we'll get jobs there anytime soon, so go on.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Well, it's not that, I mean, I just, you know,
I feel like it's something like we're just speaking what
the public is feeling. We're We're not ripping on them
as a company except for that, Like, it's not all
questions that they shouldn't be asking themselves, Like what more
are we giving these people for the eighty dollars? I
think that's an internal question that that company needs to ask, right,
So I don't think it's anything out of control that
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we're asking flames. They assistant coach Brad Larson will not
be returning this this year to the coaching staff for
family reasons. I have no idea what they are, but
I mean, my prayers go out to them if any,
for any struggles that families go through. That being said,
Calgary goes out and hires Dave Lowry as an assistant.
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So that's good news. I love a Lowry as part
of the group, right.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I love I love Dave Lowry. And I'm sure I've
told the story before, but the first time I met him.
He he made several self deprecating jokes. That's back when
he was head coach of the.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Hitman, I believe.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
But anyway, really really good guy, really well seasons coach
at this point. Actually he as a captain too with
the Flames. He was I really really enjoyed him. There
was a feature CBC. They don't him at the time
when he first time with the team, but I wish
I could find I'd love toy watch it all these
years later. But anyway, Lowry, you know, he knows the
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city as well as anybody, and he knows a lot
of the players. I think it will be a seamless fit.
In Brad Larson's case. Again, we don't know any of
the reasons why, and I'm actually quite grateful we don't
know the reasons why because that is obviously very personal,
and as you said, we wish him well. I know
that you know, Brad is a man of strong beliefs
and strong convictions. So hopefully he and his family are
doing well during this time. And I'm sure it was
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an easy decision him to step away from the game,
especially from such a high profile gig. Because I was
talking to a buddy that works in the league of
the day, and he kind of reminded me, as we
should all know, but reminded me that there are so
few coaching scouting, you know, NHL hockey, let alone hockey
positions available that to give one of those up is
it means you're dealing with something that is really important
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and to get that opportunity also means that obviously, in
Dave Larry's case, you're very well thought of in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, very happy to see. I am too.
I just wish you'd bring his son, Adam. I super pumped.
Elliott Friedman reported that in the what are they what
are they overseas? What are they called? I don't even
know what they're called, the immediate availability overseas. I don't
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know why to do this, but anyways, might go Backlan.
He's got a year left on his contract and he
wants to continue to play after that year, and he
wants to be a lifetime Flame. I look at the
depth chart and I look at the future of the organization,
and I think he's a critical aspect of the team
this year, and I don't know that he isn't again
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next year. How are your feelings on hearing him want
to stay in Calgary, is there a spot for him?
And are you good with him staying for a few
more years after that?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I mean, it depends on how I position myself. I
guess morally, I'd like him to retire a flame. Financially,
i'd like him to retire a flame because if he
becomes the all time games play leader, I have one
of his game warns and I'll be keep hanging out
to that. But but in all seriousness, he he's a huge, huge,
huge part of the community in Calgary and depending on
his play, so long as the contract and the deployment
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makes sense going forward, which is to say he you know,
continues to emerge in the number three role and to
mention the number four roles a center, I have no
issue with him staying, and I hope that he does. Alternatively,
if he's playing well and the team finds himself out
of a playoff race bubble, as you know, I'd be
one hundred percent happy to see him traded as rental
and come back the following year, or for the team
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to simply move on if it's in their best interest
now right now, based in all the youth they have.
I think the best thing to do is keep Michael
back on some guys that connors are he can learn
the center position. Better to say nothing of, you know,
rashing these other guys, Potter that it'll be coming up,
So I would prefer that he stays so that along
with an answer, and how do you feel about it?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I feel exactly the same thing, and I echo exactly
all you said as far as the transition period is.
And I think what he brings to this team. Gosh,
I mean, you know, you hear criticiens on captains and
and I'm going to defend Michael Backland. I think too
many people and too many fans in the National Hockey
League judge their captains by the goals they score instead
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of what captains really do.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh, this is why we were such big fans of
lower right.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Absolutely, and I and I think that Michael Backland's a leader.
I do, And I think he's done a good job
as captain of the Calgary Flames. And man, oh man,
is he going to help these young young people go
and grow learn how to be a professional hockey player.
And I'm keeping him as long as he's effective on
the ice. And I don't know that that's not three
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four more years simply because of his of his his
his physical abilities that he's showing us if he can
stay injury free, which he battled that last year, right,
he battled injuries and that was a lot of his
down points last year. We're not Michael Backland's talent or
Michael Backland's work ethic was Backland was hurt. And uh,
I think we'll see how strong Michael Backland this year,
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and I think he'll you know, hold that two to
three center spot and in years as we go and
we move this talent in and we build this team
slides back to that fourth line as a leader, it's
Perfect's a it's a perfect win win situation in my mind.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I mean, and it's always tough though, because this
is a distinct possibility I feel is And you know,
coincidentally enough, the Flames GM Kaik Conry went through that transition.
He had that retiring mid season. He's used spiringly. He
had cascaded down the lineup. But by the time that
that had happened, you know, his play had certainly fallen off,
and it was evident to the player of the team
that you know, it was time to move on. I
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would like to see back and put up one more
strong season, you know, in the vein of Patrice bergeron,
and then call it a career. But I mean, obviously,
you know, for the time, may have other plans, injuries,
you know, things of that nature. So we'll see how
it plays out. But on that note, it's probably as
good to transition as I can think. To talk about
the other big name sweet in the Flames, Rasmus Anderson,
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So what are your thoughts on that situation as it
currently stands.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh, I'm gonna be honest with you. I listened to
a lot of some Flames talk this week and listen
to some interviews with him, and I listened to a
pretty nice piece with Eric Francis, and I'm gonna be
honest with you. Keep hearing the doors not closed. And
I was sitting there listening to this, and I was
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thinking in my head, and I was plotting in my head,
and I was going through all these things in my head,
and I was like, Yeah, let's keep this door open.
Maybe we can swing a deal here, maybe we can
do something. And then my judgment snapped her reality and
I said, kick this so on, a bitch closed I'm done.
And here's why I say that I was not happy
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with his play last year. He's gonna get big money
from somebody else, and I respect the hell out of
him going out and getting that big money. I think
Anderson's a bad hockey player. No, I really actually like
a lot of what he does, and I love that
he's very pro Calgary and if they signed him at
the right dollar amount in the right term, and don't
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ask me what that is right now, because it it's
not anywhere near what I think Rasmus Anderson is asking,
nor what I think he'll get. Yeah, I think right now,
for the betterment of the organization, not for this year,
but for the future, we should have traded him last
year at the draft. That didn't happen. Now we need
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to capitalize on what assets are left and take care
of business asap.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
In my mind, Yeah, And I'm a bit of a
different mind on that. So I think his values is
quite low. And I think I mean right now in
terms of the league catching on to you know, the
fact he had a very down season.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
May be and I see where you're going here, and
I like it.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Well. I feel that the longer it takes to trade
somebody the more of a microscopy glunder in terms of Okay, well,
what if team start wondering, why hasn't Heven moved yet?
Or you know, we offered this, why wasn't it enough, etc.
They look Okay, Well, yeah, he was like a minus
a million last year, and he's been very self deprecating
and understanding of the questions turning his game. So there's
an opportunity here for him to boost his value tremendously,
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and the best way that he could do that, honestly,
is by being a really effective player for the Flame.
So that part kind of excites me because for all
the talk of distraction, if he comes in and plays
like shit, he's only hurting himself at the.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
End of the day.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
The team then now minded the team would get less
for him, but no hurt. Yeah, but nobody's going to
offer a big money extension if he has a poor year,
So I suspect he's highly motivated. The other thing that happened,
and I really want to touch on this, is that
the post the other day on Instagram with Wiger Backlan
Anderson and who else was in that it was for
them and the name it escaped me whoever was, and
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then like the hashtag comment distraction and they're all smiling together.
I actually think that's a really effective use of social
media by the Flames players to say this guy is
like he's a good buddy virus. We're not distracted, and
they understand that he wants to cash in. The team
needs more from him. The team is not going to
commit to him based on a number of factors, you know,
the way that he played last year, all the money
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they have to spend just resign other restrictive free agents,
and the fact they have so many young origin defensemen.
So the way that this is turning going into camp,
I'm not really upset about it anymore. And I'm actually
of the mind that by the deadline, I think they'll
actually be some fairly significant offers, and because of his play,
the Flames may be in a really strong position to
make the playoffs. But therein lies the danger of we're
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gonna go to the playoffs, we need this guy, so
we're not gonna trade him, right, And that part concerns me.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, but I also look at it as if we
do make the playoffs, I don't know that he doesn't resign.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Here maybe so, but it also comes down to again
with guys like prect noverybody else you don't have so
many two way offensive defense.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
But under blue line, right, So I agree with that. Yeah,
well I had a really genius comment there too, and
it slipped my mind, which shocking, shocking, shocking thing. Uh.
You know, I know I've wavered on this one hundred
times and you know what, Oh, here's what I was
gonna say. Do I think that he is the distraction? No,
(39:23):
I don't think he is the distraction. I think the media,
which the media has been the masters of BS globally
for years. The media thrives off controversy and him not
resigning here and him leaving and going to be traded
(39:44):
and what's his worth and da da da da da
is a talking point right in the media, and you
know what count for to some extent, I suppose we're
guilty of it two because we're talking about it right now.
It's not. No, I don't think that when they're taping
up their sticks in the locker room next year each
other before the game, that that's the distraction. I don't
think there he's gonna be sitting there saying, hey, I
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can't wait to check out and get over to so
and so and play and make nine million. I don't
think that's happening. But I do think that it's gonna
be a media infused distraction, and he's gonna keep getting asked,
and his teammates are gonna keep getting asked, and so
as much as it isn't a distraction in the room,
it's still a distraction.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Right to a point. But I think based on what
I mentioned with that Instagram post and how the players
can conduct themselves, here's how the answer it. Like if
I'm the Kensi Weiger, let's say, like my answers like,
are you really still talking about this? Like you got
nothing else you can talk about? Like seriously, like you
want to beat it that horse anymore? Like they can.
They can brush it off.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I hope he says that, right.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I think that they will because they're all getting tired
of it. Because the reality is, this isn't a player
that had a major falling out with the team. It's
just the fact that threw it across roads, and he
has certain expectations for how he can play and what
he deserves, and the team is concerned about what that
might look like In light of everything else said going on,
and that's just a normal thing. This isn't JT. Miller
and Vancouver, you know, this isn't. And this is by
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far the most egregious example of a toxic breakup that
I've I can remember in hockey of late Apart from
that one is Mitch Marner in Toronto. It's nothing like that,
you know, you know, even even even like the like
the the Paul Marners signed, like sightings around that and
like Marner's comments back at Four Nations, you know, having
conversations about Vegas. It's like, none of that is going
on now. After Anderson leaves, which I feel he eventually will,
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will there be things said, oh, you know, he wanted
to play here, this guy said that probably, But this
is one of the benefits of being in a smaller
market too. Nobody's gonna be you know, up an arms
screaming to the high heavens about Raspus Anderson anymore than
we already have. So it's kind of like that storm
start of the past. It's like, you know, it's it's frustrating,
but it's also like we deal with for so long.
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We're kind of these sensized remember when Matt Shane finally
get traded out of Colorado. It went on for so long.
By the time Sacking traded him, it's like, man, he
got a frig in the haul and nobody cared anymore
at that point.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, we had already said they had already Colorado fans
had already accepted in their mind that he was gone. Yeah,
and then don't you think we're there as a market,
Like we're already like, I'm already like doing the depth
chart without him in it, right.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Oh, I've been doing it for a while and that's fine,
And I mean, I'd love him to stay. I think
he's a great player, and I know that ourselves and
many many others have been very critical of him, and
for good reason. But that's part of making millions of
dollars in pro sports. Yep, so long as it doesn't
cross the line of being personal and you know, the
stupid nagging remarks or trying to bring his family into
it or what have you.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I tell you, this show's called Flames Unfiltered, and it
is for a reason. We speak the truth. We're not
going to take personal shots at players, but I'm surely
going to be honest with how they're playing.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I'm really curious to see, you know, six weeks into
the season, what we have to discuss in terms of
how his play has been. I'm very, very curious because
I think this is guy committing has all the monivation
in the world to prove the team right to keep
him long term or trade him so he can get
what he what he feels he deserves elsewhere. I mean,
I think the summer away for most of the substraction
has been great. And now we know he's going to
be in camp, he's going to be expected to contribute
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in a big way, and now we get to see
how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, a couple of quick things and we'll we'll wrap here.
Zane perk Out did not play in the Rookie Showcase
with a I believe it is a lower body injury
precautionary reasons. We did get to see a couple of
prospects games, six or five win in Edmonton and a
five to four win in Calgary. I'm not sure how
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much you saw of it. What were your takeaways?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Uh, well, quite a few. Griddon is as an unbelievable shot.
It's one of the biggest takeaways. Uh, Carter King is
very mature for his age and is showing why you know,
the Flames took a flyer on him, you know, so
I think he could be a bit of a dark
horse in camp, maybe, you know, not necessarily earn a spot,
but be a late cut. Phillips was a standout. It
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was a lot of takeaways. But it's difficult because in
the context of what those tournaments are, we're not talking
about top quality competition, so I hesitate to get too excited.
But I'm also like there's a lot of surprise where
I'm just like, wow, like that guy really showed. Well,
those are three guys that you know, really made dempression
of me. How about you me too?
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I thought gridden was really really good and that brings
us to our X factor this week because we're back
into the regular season mode. But Beer nine seven six
puts on on X after the first rookie game. I'm
excited to see matiaf Griddon wants more. Everyone is high
on Zane Perrek, which obviously they should be, but the
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thought of this team having a high skill to Russians
is so fun to think about. Cornado won't be alone
for much longer. And I totally agree with your comment
you just said, because I think we witnessed it last
year with Hansick.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Right, Oh, we gotta talk about him too.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
I do sit and I watch this gridd and play,
and I said it last year too. I'm really really
starting to believe that this could be a much more
likely prospect to pan out than we've ever thought before.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
And he was fantastic in the Qubec League playoffs too. Yeah,
and this is a great X factor because it's when
you think about it in terms of offensively skilled, purely
offensive skilled players in the Flame system, Coronado or on
the roster rather is kind of an anomaly, right, honorable
(45:28):
mention as well, since we're talking about the you know
Russian players like Adarsunyev as wells, which are really good
and is a pretty dangerous looking player for the Flames.
But yeah, Gridden, I think just through the prospects camp
is and through his playoff last year, was shown that he's,
you know, the top five prospects of the Sea. Somebody
keep for sure.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I'm excited to see him. You mentioned Hansig, film me
in on your thoughts there.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Uh, well, it's got a little bit of a funny story.
But last last year I put on I was like
twelve or thirteen pounds, you know from like of muscle,
and I've certainly loss of that sentence.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
And I put on teat him not muscle.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, not muscle, well said, but the ability once you've
done that. Like I played a pick it's just a
pickup game. But I mean, like I knocked over a
good buddy of mine. He's significantly bigger than me. I
think he was probably a little bit off balance, but
like prior to putting those fault pounds, it was never
gonna happen. My point being the big knock against Sonziic
was like he needed to get bigger and stronger, and
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he put on fifteen pounds. So this goes from a
guy who's like an NHL tweener who's getting you know,
beat up and thrown around it for a bitage. I'm
sure you will recall to a guy that really has
an NHL frame now and if he can leverage that
and be tougher in the corners and stronger on the puck.
This guy, he took his audition last year very seriously
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and he's come back. Is I feel a guy that's
going to make the team at a camp again and
probably stick around in what capacity. I wouldn't dare say
just yet, But you talk about a guy that put
in the work this summer, there's no better example of
it than him in league wide. I hadn't I haven't
heard too much yet to put somebody else who's really
bulked up that way. But that's exactly what you need
to do when he did it. So I'm excited to
see him play.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I can't, you know. I'm excited for camp and it
gets underway as Thursdays the first day on the ice,
and then Sunday we get a sports god with Edmonton,
and then Tuesday Seattle comes to town, and Wednesday Calgary
heads up to Vancouver, and I'm waiting for the training
camp roster. I would assume that will get released probably tomorrow,
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and I'm excited about seeing that. I'm excited about seeing
how some of these prospects have developed over the summer
and and see a Honzik and a Grid and and
see Brustevitch again, and see if Perek is to the
healthy point where we're going to need him to be,
and see how that progresses through camp, and see if
(47:45):
he can kind of. I don't know take back what
happened last year at camp because it wasn't it wasn't
a good showing by him, and I do not expect
that we'll see that again. I think it'll be a
much more positive experience.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, I think so too. And I mean, this is
so atypical and uh, you know, it's like day Chef
all over again. But every year camp comes around, like,
we're excited about this, We're excited about that. This is
the best camp we're going to have in a while.
I feel this is probably the can't weave with the
most questions, exciting questions we've had in a while. It's
not it's not it's no longer case of walls Wolfs
(48:20):
gonna be able to handle it, or it's we're not
going to like well, there's a lot of guys like, Okay,
we know somebody is going to emerge in a big
way outside of correct which we I think it's fair
to say, well expect them to. We just we can't
say for sure who it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I know I'm starting to wonder though, if we don't
see a good and a can move, I don't know
what what does hansig Bring. I was really high on him.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
I was really high on how many people talk about
him because everybody else, Right, So it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, it is really going to be interesting. Well, we
made it through our first show of season seven. We're back,
and we're back on a weekly basis. We are back
again next week with up to the minute flames, news, thoughts, talks, banter, rants,
whatever you want to call it. It's exciting. Camp will
be going. We'll have preseason games to talk about, and
uh yeah, it's a pretty good deal. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I played my first game of hockey and since May
last week, and that was like the first like, wow,
it's that time of year again. The nights are getting cooler,
camps are starting up September baseball, you know, like there's
a you can just the whole season is turning before
the leaves have turned right, and it is really really exciting.
And I think in the next Loo God, by next
week's show, that'd be so much more to talk about again.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Right, well, we'll have three games to talk about my
next week's show. Two games to talk about my next
week's show. Two one two.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
The backup goalie battle that's gonna be exciting in camp, right, we.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Got a lot. I mean, there's gonna be a lot
of fun things and I don't know, it's it's always
exciting time of the year. The trees start changing, it
gets a little cooler, crisper out at night, and then
it's a lot of fun. So it's going to be exciting.
And uh you know what, if you haven't listened to
this show and you're just joining us for the first time,
we're here every week and follow us on all the socials,
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And Kylie, you have the wonderful, wonderful week. Yeah, it's exciting,
this is good, this is the time of year and
we live for this, right.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Pretty much. Yeah, we'll say any better. I mean, we
do a podcast about it.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
So all right, Flame fans, we'll see you again next week.
Enjoy it the preseason.
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Hello, Flames fans, it is time another episode of Flames Unfiltered,
hosted by myself, Brad Rude and Kyle Lewis. We are
here for season seven. As I yes, hockey was back.
We're camps open in a day, and uh yeah, it's
an exciting time.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Pretty wild man. I'd like to know where that summer went.
I'm not unhappy about hockey being back. I'm it's like,
how the hell are we sitting here already?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
So?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Though? I kind of struggled the last three weeks, like
I just I don't know. I like, it was such
a blob boring off season.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Oh, in terms of hockey news, it was horrible.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It was.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I went on record many times saying it was the
worst that I've ever ever endured, and I don't think
it's even close. But I you know, I tried to
get involved in have some really good vacations. I tried
to I get really into baseball. I went to four
Jay's games last week.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I know you've been. That's what happens when your team's winning, right, Well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm just you know, I find the summer I just
never really bought into anything like so forgetting anyway, I've
been really of course, the Jay's really good this year,
so that made it easy as well. But ultimately it
doesn't matter. I mean, at the end of the day,
Hockey's will we love by far the most, and we
got quite a lot to talk about. Actually, the last
week has been kind to us as Flames fans in
terms of news.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I feel I think it's been kind to the show
because like we literally had nothing to talk about all summer.
We did shows every single week, thanking us for some
special episodes. We hoped all our listeners enjoyed those, and
we took three weeks off now as we prepped four seasons,
having some new graphics, some new different things and uh
but yes, the same great hockey talk with Kyle and
(02:06):
I and we're excited to be here. But thank goodness
for some news and and we'll get into that today.
I did see something today And you know, we've always
talked about on the show, like I'm kind of like
the old school guy. You kind of are on certain things,
but you're a little bit more. You're a little bit
more progressive than I am. The Washington Capitols are going
(02:27):
back to paper tickets. I love it now see. Now,
this is something I think you would love. This is
an old school thing that Kyle would love.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, I used to collect the stuff from and
even hockey games at one point. What what's the impetus
for that? Why are they doing that?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I don't know. I just saw they announce their new
jersey thing, and then they put out another tweet saying
that for the upcoming season, Uh, they're going to do
old school paper tickets that are going to be available.
So well, that's I mean, I think they'll still probably
have the the digital ones too, But I mean, I
don't know. I was used to as a kid. I mean,
(03:09):
like I still have all the stubs from all the
NHL games I went to as a kid and as
a young adult, and that was part of the thing. Man,
I went to a game, I had my ticket stub
and I bought a program to every single thing.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
The only ticket stuff I still have is the one
from Dromeginlar retirement night March second, twenty nineteen. And I
would have liked to have kept one from the kippersoft
and I too, but that was digital ticket, right, so.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Did ital ticket? That's what that see, that's the crappy thing.
Like it'd be cool, like to put like a collage
like photo thing with a picture from that night, the
ticket stub whatnot.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
You know, That's what I did. The Gimla one I
have framed with a photo of him signed, another photo
of him and the two T shirts that gave away
that night are framed in there as well.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Isn't that see that that makes it special? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool. But yeah, I mean, I mean,
you know, I obviously often talked about like our large
musicalleection to like I have almost a thousand CDs, which
I rarely ever listened to the actual CDs. I typically
just list of stuff that I've imported into hard drives
and through Spotify and whatever. But anyway, collecting collecting stuff's cool.
But also it's like the game more Jersey thing. For me,
it gets out of hand really quickly if you are,
you know, mindful, because.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
We're obsessive, compulsive people, and when we collect something, we
feel like we need to have everything.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And you'll appreciate this. You know how long it took
me to complete my Rat collection, like those obscure late
nineties albums like the self titled Rat.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And good Luck getting that one right now.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I think I have it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I know it's almost impossible to find well.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Because it is at a print and was not good.
So anyways, enough about Brad's favorite band. Where where do
we begin with? You know, season seven?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You pick Kyle, you pick man. I'm ready to talk
about anything, whether we it's I'm like, we do whatays
doing the show. It's open game, man. We just go
from the himp and we have fun and we cover
it all and.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Go, well, let's start with the big news. I guess right,
because that just feels appropriate. So dust a Wolf's contract.
I don't think I've ever texted you so no. The
only the time I text you that quickly I think
was when the Huberto trade happened.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh yeah, I remember that day. We've told that story
one hundred times in the show.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, but the Wolf one, like like, yeah, it was
right away.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You got it to me right away. I was in
a meeting and I'm such a loser. Some men's meetings
get so boring, so like I will open my phone.
I can't really do anything, but like I just saw it,
like literally saw it in the text game throw Yeah,
yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I can't remember how I first saw it. I feel
like somebody sent it to me, but usually I'm pretty
quick to find that stuff o myself. But anyway, broke.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
This so coud do you know that the Flames broke this?
No insiders, the Flames broke this.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, that was pretty cool. I'm like elated by it.
I think it's a fantastic, fantastic contract. Probably will turn
out to be jinks, of course, but probably the smartest
signing the Flames I've ever made.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You know, boy Kyle stop.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Well there's not a lot of things to compete with it,
but I mean the dollar value at seven point five
per year is fantastic for a goaltender of Wolf's pedigred
when he's show him thus far. And because I mean
this could have been up in the eight nine, you know,
like for maybe not this offseason because he only has
the one rookie he's played, but it's a super reasonable
cap it and what it expires, he's still going to
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be lot to think in his primeiers.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Well honestly, like yeah, like heading in I mean heading
into this year, it was it was a contract they
didn't need to sign. Now, how his play would have
progressed this year could have made it an eight or nine. Absolutely,
I'll be honest with you. I'll be honest with you, though, Kyle,
Like I did think it was going to be eight eight, eight,
eight and a half, and it comes out at seven
(06:52):
and a half for seven years as of a ten team.
No trade that comes in in the final five of
this seven year contract, which I feel like is irrelevant
at this point. I think, you know, I'm always like
the nervous Nelly about stuff and it's like, is this risky? Yes,
(07:14):
but tell me a contract that isn't risky, right, I mean, like,
I'm going to be realist about this, Like I love
what Dussin Wolf did last year when when we put
a close on last season's like regular season episode. I
think the thing I took away the most was the
fact that what did we learn last year? We learned
that we finally have a number one goalie since Meka
(07:34):
Kippersoft well, I shouldn't say that we had Jacob Marksim
and Jacob Marksman was very very well, but we finally
had a replacement for Markstrom that was a prospect that
we were hoping with panout that proved his worth in
his first year big Time. Big Time proved his worth.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure what the stats would
show in us that my belief at least is that
we would have finished probably twenty points less than standing.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
So with him, I would I would agree, I would,
I would agree. Now, but where does this take us?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You know, we got a guy that has I was
at seventy one games experience. I believe it is. Uh,
you know, he sits in there with and here's the comparables, right,
you know, Aiden Hill gets six point two five at
six I think this is way better than you know, like,
he's way better than him, dostol snayme six and a
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half five years, way better than him. You see Sorrows
seven point seven four for eight years, I put him probably.
I think Sorrows is a really good goal. I think
where you get to see the full capabilities of Wolf
Wolfe's age. Yeah, I would take his contract over the
Sorrows A contract that got signed last year Swimon eight
(08:53):
point twenty five for eight years. It looked like garbage
the first year, right, I don't know, let's pray that
this one doesn't. I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Don't, honestly, I don't even think that it can because
Wolf is just so so skilled, but it plays the
game a different way, right.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
My only pushback on that. And and I'm not worried
that Wolf's gonna regress. I worry about his numbers regressing
slightly in the fact that I think even this year,
probably more than last year, we have some some more
offensive and especially defensive worries. Right, so I think he's
gonna get taxed really really hard this year, and I
(09:33):
could see his numbers regress, But I'm gonna tell you
straight up right now, that's not gonna boohoo me on
Dustin Wolf in the future of Dustin Wolf and Colgary
at all. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I mean, I don't know, there's so many, so many things,
you know, to be determined about that in terms of
like what does a full year of Connor's area look like,
what does Morgan Frost for Fullier look like? To Sharon gogutrebound?
And I don't think offense wive be much of an issue,
is not as much as it was anyway. And then defensively,
I don't expect I don't think we could expect Joel
(10:01):
Hanley to have this going to be a year we
don't know what's gonna happen with Anderson's the definitely questions
on d But I don't know, man, like, he's just
so good just a lot of nights last year it
didn't matter how the team played, which is ridiculous, but
that's that's what we saw, right, And he only laid
an egg, you know, the night I was in Toronto,
he didn't play well. And there was maybe one other
game where it's like he was getting kind of shell
(10:22):
but he was a rookie goaltender with a very weak
team in front of him. All told, relatively speaking, So oh,
sky's a limit. But you know, to to cap that,
I mean, he's he's proud to be a Calgary Flame.
He signed long term and a great cap it. I mean,
this is by far the tidiest contract work that that
Conroy's done yet.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, and I mean I thought I thought the weaker
deal was was a pretty pretty effective deal too, uh.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Oh for sure. Yeah, and that's probably probably second. But
I mean, to lock up a goaltender of this pedigree
at that age, for that type of we kind of
knew what Wiker was. We knew he was gonna be
really good. I don't know if he knew he was
as good as he is he got to Calgary. But
I don't know that this is like a franchise altering signing.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
To me, I would I would agree, let's this, hope
what alters it in the positive way? And I don't
have anything any reason to believe it. Won't you put
it to you?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That's not gonna be Eric DiPietro, I know that.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So no, I mean, but but I am gonna Warren
Flames fans like I think we're gonna have some rocky
roads ahead, and I think that's okay, And I hope
I'm wrong because I thought rocky roads were coming last year,
and last year this team tied for the final last
(11:37):
playoff spot, so I have not always been correct on that.
So I'm I'm super excited. I'm super excited to see.
And then the other contract that we talked about that
we were kind of all just patiently, patiently waiting the
whole summer was was Connor's are and and and and
where was that gonna go? And it ended up falling
into a three year, three point seven seven five million
(11:59):
dollar deal. Pretty cool. I guess I'm pretty exciting. I
think that's a fine contract. I think that's a smart contract,
and you might you might say that that in its
own way is as tighty as uh as tighty as
the Wolf, because we're gonna get to really see without
(12:20):
investing too much into where the future goes with connors Are.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, and I think Zara is much less of a
sure thing. That showed so well at times that this
guy's kind of linit form in a lot of ways,
especially when you look at a those high school places
he made that most of them he couldn't quite finish.
But man like started with the overtime winner in Vancouver
the first game of the season. Actually, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the first thing that comes
to mind. And like, I'm really high on this guy.
And and like I agree with your comment that he's
he's probably less of a lock, right, I mean I
think everybody would agree. And I and I see a
ton of skill and you know, it's kind of like
the like we saw with Morgan Frost last year. It's
like he gets here right there. Yeah, it's just like
(13:06):
we gotta we gotta finish, right, And that's what we're
gonna learn this year. And I don't know, I think
it's uh, it's it's a good deal. It's a it
expires one year from UFA eligibilities, so that protects the organization.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Oh no, big time time.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think we all have hopes of a fifty to
sixty point guy, I think, isn't that where we're sitting?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I think at the minimum, yeah, I mean, he could
be seventy eighty if he really pans out. But at
the end of the day, we really don't know. And
it's it's a little strange to me in a sense
that this contract took so long to do because it's
so predictable in terms of length, in terms of dollar value.
But I say that I can also understand why the
player and the team would have both been also open
(13:52):
to longer term options, Like, you know, we know this
is going to be a fit, we just don't have
quite as much evidence as we'd like, and the player
is probably thinking I can cash in way more of
what's really showing and capable of. So it just makes
all the sense of the world. And thankfully, the best
part about this is was it got done for a
training camp open.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Absolutely that is the biggest news. I think, you know,
I want to talk a little bit more about that.
I think I agree with you this one surprised me
that a drug out like this, and I think we
all kind of knew where it was going to come
down to. And I think the team stance was, Hey,
we love what we see. Unfortunately not because of your doing,
but because of health. We're not one hundred percent sure
(14:31):
because we haven't got the full picture yet, right. And
I think Connor Zarry's sitting there going liked what you saw,
like you liked what you saw in Coronado, can we
like work something here? And I think he was pushing
maybe for a little bit more and a little bit
more certainty. And I think this is a good contract
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for the team, and quite honestly, in the end, if
Connor z Area works out, it's going to be a
great contract for him too, because he'll really cash you
in after that, after that time's up.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah. Yeah, And I don't think there's really any risk
at all with this deal. It's not big money, it's
not long term. It positions the player and the team
both really really well. And I think the other thing
that kind of plays in this, and you can see
it in the cap pits that we've seen so far.
The way use the two examples of discussing Wolf and
Zari in terms of where they're at. It seems like
these players are all committing to team friendly deals, at
(15:24):
least in terms of dollar value in Zari's case, and
in so doing, the message seems to be, and you
can tell from Conroy and the mediavailability, it's like, Okay,
they're building something special here. Everybody's scided, was Zamee Perrek
coming in. They've got Wager, who's a rock Wolf signing
the Frost and fair Bee trade and what that may
potentially do. Like, everything's kind of moving in the right
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direction quicker than any of us have thought. And I
think the players are inclined to leave a little bit
of money on the table to see where this goes.
And if it doesn't, you know, if by the time
that contract's coming up in three years the team is
you know, barely making the playoffs or missing or whatever,
then that's obviously the things didn't pan out the way
it all hope. But I think the reality is is
the team is positioning itself and building a core that
(16:06):
wants to be in Calgary and be a part of
what they're doing. Because they're a very young team, they
have you know, Kevin balls with a piece for shaments
and you know, really good shutdown defenseman. Everything's kind of
in place, and that would just have to see where
it goes. And I think everybody's in the same mindset
that this is a team that is worth being part of.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I agree. I I think there's a lot of positivity
and I think there's a lot of moving in the
right direction. But with that, you're you're going to have
a lot of uncertainty. One uncertainty I have when you
when you look at this Connors, everything is like, where
do you feel? And I'm really interested to get your
take on this. Where do you see him a bet?
(16:45):
I mean we all obviously all want him to be
that that center, but do you see that or do
you see him probably fitting into the wing better?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'd love I mean, if you can work on his
face offs especially, I'd want to see him as a center,
because I think he has a skill set and the
puck chasing abilities to be a really good center and
a two way one of that. Playing wing is a
bit easier in terms of responsibility. It's more of a
north south game. You'll cover your points in the dzel
and that type of stuff, So if he doesn't start
to progress as a center, he easily slots him in
the wing. But we are it's a great opportunity for
(17:19):
him because our center depth is not great at this point.
The organizational depth is much better than it has been
with the recent draft, but Condre's getting older. Back when's
getting older, somebody needs to step up and assume one
of those center roles. And I could see if if
Zari can prove to be a center through at camp
early in the season, then he could be our top
one guy, which could push Gadri to the second spot,
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which would be absolutely ideal. I feel but that's a
huge ask, But I do think it's a possibility.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I think that's a giant ask. Would I love to
see it? Yeah? Do I see Connor's area is a
number one center? Probably not. If you could tell me
that he is our second line center four years from
now and he's putting up fifty to sixty points, that'd
be great. I would be happy as can be, right.
I guess you know, time will tell on this one.
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I feel like he's probably and this is not a
genius statement here or anything like that. I feel like
you probably fits in in the wing. Better. And that
just comes down to basically the fact that it's harder
to be a center in the National Hockey League, right,
I mean, I'm big.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Time it's hard to be a center in general when
I play hockey. Center is a much more difficult position.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It is, and there's just a lot of other variables
that go along with that. So other news, I'm interested
to get your take on a couple of different things here,
Ryan Leslie off to Toronto. Where does that leave the
Calgary Flames broadcast team and your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Uh well, I mean I met Ryan Leslie when he
was with Bradrie living in Columbus back in twenty nineteen,
and clearly they had a close relationship. And this is
one d per you know, something that Bradrili was involved in.
It's really difficult, especially in Canada to ignore an opportunity
in Toronto. I mean that it's the fourth largest city
in North America. It's by far the lateers Canadian city.
(19:11):
It's just a huge opportunity for him and it's not
dissimilar to Rick Ball going to Chicago, right, you know,
original sixth Market with Connor Burdar. So it's a tough
toll to swallow, and I don't think it's one that
any of us really seem coming. But it also creates
some really interesting opportunity for somebody else, and we should
talk a little bit about that. So I think the
first of all, Ryan was great. I always enjoyed him,
super nice guy, knows the game players loved him. So
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it sucks to see him go. But there's some really
really good media talent in Calgary that would like to
be a fit for this role. We're gonna know very
soon who was going to be. I think the front runner,
and you know, tell me if you disagree, but I
suspect Brendan Parker is the first one that's going to be.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I think he's the front runner. I've heard a bunch
of different names, from Cammy Koepka to at Steinberg to
which By the way, both of those two I I
have a lot of respect for, and I think they both.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Kenny Kepke actually she got her start in Monkton. She
was on CTV news here for years until she moved
to Calgary. I think she's actually from here if I'm
not mistaken, but yeah, she's she's She's another candidate for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I've heard Megan Michelson's name come out there, and I
don't know how I feel on that one. Uh, I
would agree completely. I think Brandon Parker is the front
runner for that and I think we'll get that announcement
out he is the replacement, and I think we'll get
that this week. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And the other one we should mention is on TSN
for years of Kate Berness with Satasha Stanzski, who's you know,
really well thought of being the Calgary media for a
while now and a little bit of a dark horse candidate,
but presents herself very well, speaks very well, and you
know now that we're talking about it, just based on
the composition of the Flames broadcast team and the Sportsnet
team that covers Calgary, I would like to see a
(20:54):
woman in that role. I think we'll just add a
bit of a different dynamic to it.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm just gonna tell you straight up, I don't care
if it's man, woman or what it is. I want
the best person and I do too.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I just think some of our best Canada's happened to
be women.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
And see some very capable ones for sure in this one.
So but I but I refuse to I just I
don't know. I I just want the best person right
and the one who deserves it the most. And and
I'm not in the inside to know exactly who deserves
it the most. My bad. If I was in Vegas
right now, I would see that Brandon Parker would get it.
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But but you know what, we could be really really surprised.
I'm gonna probably go against what a lot of people say,
though I hope they don't uh mess it with anything
with the TV crew and uh, I love Kelly Rudy
still being part of the teams, and I hope people
criticize them and I'm not sure really why, but.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, and it's it's it's a little yeah, it's a
little tough you know this season too, given you know,
the lost to curtain January last year. So it's I
don't up. It's gonna be a very different looking team
in terms of you know, the supporting cast, so was
speaking terms of the broadcast team. So I'm very curious
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and opening night to see what that whole presentation looks
like and outside of the things we just discussed, and
we saw this all over social media, all over social media,
was Amazon Prime kind of kicked everybody else in the ass,
and you don't run a hockey broadcast.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Right, you know. I remember the night the first one
was and I remember me and you talking in the
next day and I was just I was wowed. I mean,
it was a topic on our show the next week.
We were both wowed by it. And I tell you something,
and you please correct me if I'm wrong, because you're
way more in the know about Sportsnet than me. I
watch it every day, I guess I. But I'm not
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in Canada, right, so like I can't. It's not ill.
I do get it every day, though, But I I
feel like sports Net doesn't give a crap about how
good Amazon's production was. They're just going to keep running
the same show out there because we're just sports Net
and that's just how we do it. And I think
I feel like sports Set's way too.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Entitled.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Entitled, and I feel like, yeah, it's a great word.
And I feel like they are just way too nonchalant
about their talent that they have and in retaining their talent.
And I just feel like all they're worried about is
getting the cheapest production they can possibly do and make
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the most they can possibly make.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, there's a few things that you know, bear discussing there.
I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that
when TSM lost out in the battle of for the
NHL rights, excuse me, some ten years ago or so,
I didn't know it at the time, and I was
quite a bit younger than too, but it seemed to
me that it very much created a sports monopoly in Canada.
So the Toronto Blue Jays are on sports Net, Toronto
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Raptors are on sports Net. The only original broadcast TSM
now has to believe is the Ottawa Senators.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Winnipeg Jets.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh, yes, that's right. Excuse me, yes, what a pig
Jets as well.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
But to your point yet Montreal though too, don't.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
They in the French market?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, but in terms of the overall percentage of you know,
league representation, it's incredibly one sided. And because of that,
they have a tendency as well. And I've talked about
this with people in the league and around it, they
have a propensity for hiring like any x NHL player,
many of whom do not belong in front of a camera.
And I'm not gonna get in the name of names
that it doesn't matter, no, but it just they just
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throw jobs at people who are not capable. They hang
on to people who I don't you know, personally enjoy
or feel have, you know, putting their time, so to speak.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, I swear all they worry about right now is
making sure and I love this guy, but I think
all they're worried about is making sure they keep Elliott
Friedman happy and hell with the rest of them.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, but it's funny too because it comes a little
bit of the cult of personality. And we saw it
around Don Cherry, and we see it around Ron McClean.
We've seen around Elliott Freeban. It's like now people are
kind of like making jokes about the way he says
certain things are and that's all fun It comes with
being immediate personality. But they don't do a very good
job of growing talent, much the same as the Flames
didn't for you, right in terms of poor drafting and
poor player development. But the most egregious thing about it all.
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I mean, you can like and just like certain hockey personalities,
but what really drives me crazy is the fact that
they have the goal to charge. I think it was
an extra eighty dollars a year for this service because
they know they have most of us buy the balls
in terms of blackout restrictions, so we're all paying more
for a service that, unless something changes drastically, the NHL
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season starts, is terrible quality. The streams are always delayed.
The equality is you know, it's it's hit and miss
or at the night.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I have to literally put my phone in my couch cushion,
in my side on my couch cushion so that I
don't accidentally see a tweet about a goal before it happens.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, and I have to do the same thing. And
to me, if if you're gonna it's funny, I went
through this at my local gym recently. If you're gonna
charge more for something, don't lie to Yeah, don't lie
to me and tell me it's great, and don't lie
to me and tell me it's gonna get better when
it's not. And this is exactly what's happen in sports.
And this is exactly why I put the gym is
going to And it wasn't just me. It was like
a mass exodus of us, the same as there has
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no Sports Net plus because you're not like inflation is
one thing, price adjustments are one thing. But to hit
somebody with a large increase and then try to twist
the narratives to say, oh, we offer this in this
and half these things and things we don't care about,
and it's all we want is a better quality product. Yeah,
and some and some consistency, and I want a.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
One more thing about them. And usually take the Thursdays off.
Not so much right now because of my kid's a
sports schedule, but usually Thursday is my hockey catch up day,
get the podcast situated everything, It's my day. Why do
when I turn the TV on? It said, and am
(27:01):
I got Sports Central on? Why do we have to
rerun it until eleven o'clock in the morning, over and
over and over and over and over and over and over.
Can we not put some hockey talk shows on? There's
one hundred of them out there. Can we not put
some things on other than just regurgitating. I would even
care if they did thirty minute Sports that Central, a
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thirty minute leap maple leaf show, or a Canuck show
or a flame show, and then did thirty minutes Sports
cent Central, and then the thirty minutes of the another
Canadian team, like give us some hockey talk like it's
cheap to produce. There's plenty of people out there doing it,
and like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Jeez, you might carefully might cannibalize our own show, right, yeah,
well but to your point, and like I actually it's
funny at top of this on when it was in Toronto,
it's Saturday with a buddy of mine, like it used
to be an hour show, and an hour show you
were all see producing or presenting double the content. So
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now all the games that aren't a leased in Canada,
that aren't Toronto Montreal into Electric Step, the other Canadian
teams or you know, Evanton gets a lot of coverage
because David all of a sudden, all these other games
get minimal coverage, some don't get any like no highlights,
or they get a fifteen second highlight package instead of
you know, two minutes. And it's so compressed. And I
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actually enjoyed the hour format. But I mean, obviously they're
trying to hit as many people as they can, as
many demographics as they can. But it is a bit
frustrating because it's just and I'm the idiot to leave
it on for you know, I do do you know, like.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
This is a sixth time I've watched this home run.
I mean, I don't know, Okay, on the bigger and
better things we rip.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
On, we'll get jobs there anytime soon, so go on.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Well, it's not that, I mean, I just, you know,
I feel like it's something like we're just speaking what
the public is feeling. We're We're not ripping on them
as a company except for that, Like, it's not all
questions that they shouldn't be asking themselves, Like what more
are we giving these people for the eighty dollars? I
think that's an internal question that that company needs to ask, right,
So I don't think it's anything out of control that
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we're asking flames. They assistant coach Brad Larson will not
be returning this this year to the coaching staff for
family reasons. I have no idea what they are, but
I mean, my prayers go out to them if any,
for any struggles that families go through. That being said,
Calgary goes out and hires Dave Lowry as an assistant.
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So that's good news. I love a Lowry as part
of the group, right.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I love I love Dave Lowry. And I'm sure I've
told the story before, but the first time I met him.
He he made several self deprecating jokes. That's back when
he was head coach of the.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Hitman, I believe.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
But anyway, really really good guy, really well seasons coach
at this point. Actually he as a captain too with
the Flames. He was I really really enjoyed him. There
was a feature CBC. They don't him at the time
when he first time with the team, but I wish
I could find I'd love toy watch it all these
years later. But anyway, Lowry, you know, he knows the
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city as well as anybody, and he knows a lot
of the players. I think it will be a seamless fit.
In Brad Larson's case. Again, we don't know any of
the reasons why, and I'm actually quite grateful we don't
know the reasons why because that is obviously very personal,
and as you said, we wish him well. I know
that you know, Brad is a man of strong beliefs
and strong convictions. So hopefully he and his family are
doing well during this time. And I'm sure it was
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an easy decision him to step away from the game,
especially from such a high profile gig. Because I was
talking to a buddy that works in the league of
the day, and he kind of reminded me, as we
should all know, but reminded me that there are so
few coaching scouting, you know, NHL hockey, let alone hockey
positions available that to give one of those up is
it means you're dealing with something that is really important
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and to get that opportunity also means that obviously, in
Dave Larry's case, you're very well thought of in the league.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, very happy to see. I am too.
I just wish you'd bring his son, Adam. I super pumped.
Elliott Friedman reported that in the what are they what
are they overseas? What are they called? I don't even
know what they're called, the immediate availability overseas. I don't
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know why to do this, but anyways, might go Backlan.
He's got a year left on his contract and he
wants to continue to play after that year, and he
wants to be a lifetime Flame. I look at the
depth chart and I look at the future of the organization,
and I think he's a critical aspect of the team
this year, and I don't know that he isn't again
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next year. How are your feelings on hearing him want
to stay in Calgary, is there a spot for him?
And are you good with him staying for a few
more years after that?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
I mean, it depends on how I position myself. I
guess morally, I'd like him to retire a flame. Financially,
i'd like him to retire a flame because if he
becomes the all time games play leader, I have one
of his game warns and I'll be keep hanging out
to that. But but in all seriousness, he he's a huge, huge,
huge part of the community in Calgary and depending on
his play, so long as the contract and the deployment
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makes sense going forward, which is to say he you know,
continues to emerge in the number three role and to
mention the number four roles a center, I have no
issue with him staying, and I hope that he does. Alternatively,
if he's playing well and the team finds himself out
of a playoff race bubble, as you know, I'd be
one hundred percent happy to see him traded as rental
and come back the following year, or for the team
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to simply move on if it's in their best interest
now right now, based in all the youth they have.
I think the best thing to do is keep Michael
back on some guys that connors are he can learn
the center position. Better to say nothing of, you know,
rashing these other guys, Potter that it'll be coming up,
So I would prefer that he stays so that along
with an answer, and how do you feel about it?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I feel exactly the same thing, and I echo exactly
all you said as far as the transition period is.
And I think what he brings to this team. Gosh,
I mean, you know, you hear criticiens on captains and
and I'm going to defend Michael Backland. I think too
many people and too many fans in the National Hockey
League judge their captains by the goals they score instead
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of what captains really do.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Oh, this is why we were such big fans of
lower right.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Absolutely, and I and I think that Michael Backland's a leader.
I do, And I think he's done a good job
as captain of the Calgary Flames. And man, oh man,
is he going to help these young young people go
and grow learn how to be a professional hockey player.
And I'm keeping him as long as he's effective on
the ice. And I don't know that that's not three
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four more years simply because of his of his his
his physical abilities that he's showing us if he can
stay injury free, which he battled that last year, right,
he battled injuries and that was a lot of his
down points last year. We're not Michael Backland's talent or
Michael Backland's work ethic was Backland was hurt. And uh,
I think we'll see how strong Michael Backland this year,
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and I think he'll you know, hold that two to
three center spot and in years as we go and
we move this talent in and we build this team
slides back to that fourth line as a leader, it's
Perfect's a it's a perfect win win situation in my mind.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I mean, and it's always tough though, because this
is a distinct possibility I feel is And you know,
coincidentally enough, the Flames GM Kaik Conry went through that transition.
He had that retiring mid season. He's used spiringly. He
had cascaded down the lineup. But by the time that
that had happened, you know, his play had certainly fallen off,
and it was evident to the player of the team
that you know, it was time to move on. I
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would like to see back and put up one more
strong season, you know, in the vein of Patrice bergeron,
and then call it a career. But I mean, obviously,
you know, for the time, may have other plans, injuries,
you know, things of that nature. So we'll see how
it plays out. But on that note, it's probably as
good to transition as I can think. To talk about
the other big name sweet in the Flames, Rasmus Anderson,
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So what are your thoughts on that situation as it
currently stands.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh, I'm gonna be honest with you. I listened to
a lot of some Flames talk this week and listen
to some interviews with him, and I listened to a
pretty nice piece with Eric Francis, and I'm gonna be
honest with you. Keep hearing the doors not closed. And
I was sitting there listening to this, and I was
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thinking in my head, and I was plotting in my head,
and I was going through all these things in my head,
and I was like, Yeah, let's keep this door open.
Maybe we can swing a deal here, maybe we can
do something. And then my judgment snapped her reality and
I said, kick this so on, a bitch closed I'm done.
And here's why I say that I was not happy
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with his play last year. He's gonna get big money
from somebody else, and I respect the hell out of
him going out and getting that big money. I think
Anderson's a bad hockey player. No, I really actually like
a lot of what he does, and I love that
he's very pro Calgary and if they signed him at
the right dollar amount in the right term, and don't
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ask me what that is right now, because it it's
not anywhere near what I think Rasmus Anderson is asking,
nor what I think he'll get. Yeah, I think right now,
for the betterment of the organization, not for this year,
but for the future, we should have traded him last
year at the draft. That didn't happen. Now we need
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to capitalize on what assets are left and take care
of business asap.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
In my mind, Yeah, And I'm a bit of a
different mind on that. So I think his values is
quite low. And I think I mean right now in
terms of the league catching on to you know, the
fact he had a very down season.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
May be and I see where you're going here, and
I like it.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Well. I feel that the longer it takes to trade
somebody the more of a microscopy glunder in terms of Okay, well,
what if team start wondering, why hasn't Heven moved yet?
Or you know, we offered this, why wasn't it enough, etc.
They look Okay, Well, yeah, he was like a minus
a million last year, and he's been very self deprecating
and understanding of the questions turning his game. So there's
an opportunity here for him to boost his value tremendously,
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and the best way that he could do that, honestly,
is by being a really effective player for the Flame.
So that part kind of excites me because for all
the talk of distraction, if he comes in and plays
like shit, he's only hurting himself at the.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
End of the day.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
The team then now minded the team would get less
for him, but no hurt. Yeah, but nobody's going to
offer a big money extension if he has a poor year,
So I suspect he's highly motivated. The other thing that happened,
and I really want to touch on this, is that
the post the other day on Instagram with Wiger Backlan
Anderson and who else was in that it was for
them and the name it escaped me whoever was, and
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then like the hashtag comment distraction and they're all smiling together.
I actually think that's a really effective use of social
media by the Flames players to say this guy is
like he's a good buddy virus. We're not distracted, and
they understand that he wants to cash in. The team
needs more from him. The team is not going to
commit to him based on a number of factors, you know,
the way that he played last year, all the money
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they have to spend just resign other restrictive free agents,
and the fact they have so many young origin defensemen.
So the way that this is turning going into camp,
I'm not really upset about it anymore. And I'm actually
of the mind that by the deadline, I think they'll
actually be some fairly significant offers, and because of his play,
the Flames may be in a really strong position to
make the playoffs. But therein lies the danger of we're
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gonna go to the playoffs, we need this guy, so
we're not gonna trade him, right, And that part concerns me.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, but I also look at it as if we
do make the playoffs, I don't know that he doesn't resign.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Here maybe so, but it also comes down to again
with guys like prect noverybody else you don't have so
many two way offensive defense.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
But under blue line, right, So I agree with that. Yeah,
well I had a really genius comment there too, and
it slipped my mind, which shocking, shocking, shocking thing. Uh.
You know, I know I've wavered on this one hundred
times and you know what, Oh, here's what I was
gonna say. Do I think that he is the distraction? No,
(39:23):
I don't think he is the distraction. I think the media,
which the media has been the masters of BS globally
for years. The media thrives off controversy and him not
resigning here and him leaving and going to be traded
(39:44):
and what's his worth and da da da da da
is a talking point right in the media, and you
know what count for to some extent, I suppose we're
guilty of it two because we're talking about it right now.
It's not. No, I don't think that when they're taping
up their sticks in the locker room next year each
other before the game, that that's the distraction. I don't
think there he's gonna be sitting there saying, hey, I
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can't wait to check out and get over to so
and so and play and make nine million. I don't
think that's happening. But I do think that it's gonna
be a media infused distraction, and he's gonna keep getting asked,
and his teammates are gonna keep getting asked, and so
as much as it isn't a distraction in the room,
it's still a distraction.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Right to a point. But I think based on what
I mentioned with that Instagram post and how the players
can conduct themselves, here's how the answer it. Like if
I'm the Kensi Weiger, let's say, like my answers like,
are you really still talking about this? Like you got
nothing else you can talk about? Like seriously, like you
want to beat it that horse anymore? Like they can.
They can brush it off.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I hope he says that, right.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I think that they will because they're all getting tired
of it. Because the reality is, this isn't a player
that had a major falling out with the team. It's
just the fact that threw it across roads, and he
has certain expectations for how he can play and what
he deserves, and the team is concerned about what that
might look like In light of everything else said going on,
and that's just a normal thing. This isn't JT. Miller
and Vancouver, you know, this isn't. And this is by
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far the most egregious example of a toxic breakup that
I've I can remember in hockey of late Apart from
that one is Mitch Marner in Toronto. It's nothing like that,
you know, you know, even even even like the like
the the Paul Marners signed, like sightings around that and
like Marner's comments back at Four Nations, you know, having
conversations about Vegas. It's like, none of that is going
on now. After Anderson leaves, which I feel he eventually will,
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will there be things said, oh, you know, he wanted
to play here, this guy said that probably, But this
is one of the benefits of being in a smaller
market too. Nobody's gonna be you know, up an arms
screaming to the high heavens about Raspus Anderson anymore than
we already have. So it's kind of like that storm
start of the past. It's like, you know, it's it's frustrating,
but it's also like we deal with for so long.
(41:49):
We're kind of these sensized remember when Matt Shane finally
get traded out of Colorado. It went on for so long.
By the time Sacking traded him, it's like, man, he
got a frig in the haul and nobody cared anymore
at that point.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, we had already said they had already Colorado fans
had already accepted in their mind that he was gone. Yeah,
and then don't you think we're there as a market,
Like we're already like, I'm already like doing the depth
chart without him in it, right.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Oh, I've been doing it for a while and that's fine,
And I mean, I'd love him to stay. I think
he's a great player, and I know that ourselves and
many many others have been very critical of him, and
for good reason. But that's part of making millions of
dollars in pro sports. Yep, so long as it doesn't
cross the line of being personal and you know, the
stupid nagging remarks or trying to bring his family into
it or what have you.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I tell you, this show's called Flames Unfiltered, and it
is for a reason. We speak the truth. We're not
going to take personal shots at players, but I'm surely
going to be honest with how they're playing.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I'm really curious to see, you know, six weeks into
the season, what we have to discuss in terms of
how his play has been. I'm very, very curious because
I think this is guy committing has all the monivation
in the world to prove the team right to keep
him long term or trade him so he can get
what he what he feels he deserves elsewhere. I mean,
I think the summer away for most of the substraction
has been great. And now we know he's going to
be in camp, he's going to be expected to contribute
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in a big way, and now we get to see
how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, a couple of quick things and we'll we'll wrap here.
Zane perk Out did not play in the Rookie Showcase
with a I believe it is a lower body injury
precautionary reasons. We did get to see a couple of
prospects games, six or five win in Edmonton and a
five to four win in Calgary. I'm not sure how
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much you saw of it. What were your takeaways?
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Uh, well, quite a few. Griddon is as an unbelievable shot.
It's one of the biggest takeaways. Uh, Carter King is
very mature for his age and is showing why you know,
the Flames took a flyer on him, you know, so
I think he could be a bit of a dark
horse in camp, maybe, you know, not necessarily earn a spot,
but be a late cut. Phillips was a standout. It
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was a lot of takeaways. But it's difficult because in
the context of what those tournaments are, we're not talking
about top quality competition, so I hesitate to get too excited.
But I'm also like there's a lot of surprise where
I'm just like, wow, like that guy really showed. Well,
those are three guys that you know, really made dempression
of me. How about you me too?
Speaker 1 (44:15):
I thought gridden was really really good and that brings
us to our X factor this week because we're back
into the regular season mode. But Beer nine seven six
puts on on X after the first rookie game. I'm
excited to see matiaf Griddon wants more. Everyone is high
on Zane Perrek, which obviously they should be, but the
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thought of this team having a high skill to Russians
is so fun to think about. Cornado won't be alone
for much longer. And I totally agree with your comment
you just said, because I think we witnessed it last
year with Hansick.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Right, Oh, we gotta talk about him too.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
I do sit and I watch this gridd and play,
and I said it last year too. I'm really really
starting to believe that this could be a much more
likely prospect to pan out than we've ever thought before.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
And he was fantastic in the Qubec League playoffs too. Yeah,
and this is a great X factor because it's when
you think about it in terms of offensively skilled, purely
offensive skilled players in the Flame system, Coronado or on
the roster rather is kind of an anomaly, right, honorable
(45:28):
mention as well, since we're talking about the you know
Russian players like Adarsunyev as wells, which are really good
and is a pretty dangerous looking player for the Flames.
But yeah, Gridden, I think just through the prospects camp
is and through his playoff last year, was shown that he's,
you know, the top five prospects of the Sea. Somebody
keep for sure.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I'm excited to see him. You mentioned Hansig, film me
in on your thoughts there.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Uh, well, it's got a little bit of a funny story.
But last last year I put on I was like
twelve or thirteen pounds, you know from like of muscle,
and I've certainly loss of that sentence.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
And I put on teat him not muscle.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, not muscle, well said, but the ability once you've
done that. Like I played a pick it's just a
pickup game. But I mean, like I knocked over a
good buddy of mine. He's significantly bigger than me. I
think he was probably a little bit off balance, but
like prior to putting those fault pounds, it was never
gonna happen. My point being the big knock against Sonziic
was like he needed to get bigger and stronger, and
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he put on fifteen pounds. So this goes from a
guy who's like an NHL tweener who's getting you know,
beat up and thrown around it for a bitage. I'm
sure you will recall to a guy that really has
an NHL frame now and if he can leverage that
and be tougher in the corners and stronger on the puck.
This guy, he took his audition last year very seriously
(46:45):
and he's come back. Is I feel a guy that's
going to make the team at a camp again and
probably stick around in what capacity. I wouldn't dare say
just yet, But you talk about a guy that put
in the work this summer, there's no better example of
it than him in league wide. I hadn't I haven't
heard too much yet to put somebody else who's really
bulked up that way. But that's exactly what you need
to do when he did it. So I'm excited to
see him play.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I can't, you know. I'm excited for camp and it
gets underway as Thursdays the first day on the ice,
and then Sunday we get a sports god with Edmonton,
and then Tuesday Seattle comes to town, and Wednesday Calgary
heads up to Vancouver, and I'm waiting for the training
camp roster. I would assume that will get released probably tomorrow,
(47:25):
and I'm excited about seeing that. I'm excited about seeing
how some of these prospects have developed over the summer
and and see a Honzik and a Grid and and
see Brustevitch again, and see if Perek is to the
healthy point where we're going to need him to be,
and see how that progresses through camp, and see if
(47:45):
he can kind of. I don't know take back what
happened last year at camp because it wasn't it wasn't
a good showing by him, and I do not expect
that we'll see that again. I think it'll be a
much more positive experience.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, I think so too. And I mean, this is
so atypical and uh, you know, it's like day Chef
all over again. But every year camp comes around, like,
we're excited about this, We're excited about that. This is
the best camp we're going to have in a while.
I feel this is probably the can't weave with the
most questions, exciting questions we've had in a while. It's
not it's not it's no longer case of walls Wolfs
(48:20):
gonna be able to handle it, or it's we're not
going to like well, there's a lot of guys like, Okay,
we know somebody is going to emerge in a big
way outside of correct which we I think it's fair
to say, well expect them to. We just we can't
say for sure who it's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
I know I'm starting to wonder though, if we don't
see a good and a can move, I don't know
what what does hansig Bring. I was really high on him.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
I was really high on how many people talk about
him because everybody else, Right, So it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, it is really going to be interesting. Well, we
made it through our first show of season seven. We're back,
and we're back on a weekly basis. We are back
again next week with up to the minute flames, news, thoughts, talks, banter, rants,
whatever you want to call it. It's exciting. Camp will
be going. We'll have preseason games to talk about, and
uh yeah, it's a pretty good deal. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I played my first game of hockey and since May
last week, and that was like the first like, wow,
it's that time of year again. The nights are getting cooler,
camps are starting up September baseball, you know, like there's
a you can just the whole season is turning before
the leaves have turned right, and it is really really exciting.
And I think in the next Loo God, by next
week's show, that'd be so much more to talk about again.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Right, well, we'll have three games to talk about my
next week's show. Two games to talk about my next
week's show. Two one two.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
The backup goalie battle that's gonna be exciting in camp, right, we.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Got a lot. I mean, there's gonna be a lot
of fun things and I don't know, it's it's always
exciting time of the year. The trees start changing, it
gets a little cooler, crisper out at night, and then
it's a lot of fun. So it's going to be exciting.
And uh you know what, if you haven't listened to
this show and you're just joining us for the first time,
we're here every week and follow us on all the socials,
and you know what to all our faithfuls, follow us
(50:04):
on the socials. Make sure you're out there because this
week we are gonna I'm gonna do a giveaway this week,
so check that out. You'll see that drop on. All
of the socials are on. I don't know pretty much
everything we're on it, so check us up there. We
got any questions, comments, you can always hit us up
on there. We're always very open to that. And uh yeah,
we're back next week talking Flames Hockey as we go today.
(50:27):
A little small town strip club there on the road,
big shows in uh yeah, all through October, so make
sure you check them out too and support those guys.
And Kylie, you have the wonderful, wonderful week. Yeah, it's exciting,
this is good, this is the time of year and
we live for this, right.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Pretty much. Yeah, we'll say any better. I mean, we
do a podcast about it.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
So all right, Flame fans, we'll see you again next week.
Enjoy it the preseason.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
We take our guys.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Shitty shit step Trump, shitty step Trump, shitty s Trump.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Shitty sit.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
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