Huggins to Seattle? (Ep. 168)

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Hello, welcome back to the FlurrySports podcast. I mean, hey,
NFL playoffs, NFL news is reallyrolling along. A lot of shit popping
off. I gotta say, sadweek for me on many levels. I
was Jake Osmin's here, I'm ZachBrunner. The NFL coaching news hit me

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harder than it should have. Wow, you really, And then the big
I am and then the big snowstormhappened, and first snow storm of the
year. I am. I allowedto complain. That's all I need to
know, because I have a lotof complaints. Well, Pete Osmond shout

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out to the Player catch Up podcast. It returns in full next week,
so people should get ready for that. But Pete Osmond, this week,
uh to everyone who was like Iwish it was snowy for Christmas, it
was a week of you're happy.Now you happy like that? This is
what we wanted. Ye yeah,that's my mindset too. It's been a
nightmare. It's been a nightmare,but you know what it also has been.

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It has been football weather, andI take there's been a lot of
people, I'm not sure if you'veseen it, a lot of people really
on their high horses talking about howthis is not football weather, or are
you saying snow and cold is footballweather? What are you doing? This
is dangerous for the fans, it'sdangerous for the players. How dare you
say this is football weather? Andfor those people, go fuck yourself.

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This is this is that's the stupidest, softest thing I've ever heard. You
don't have to go, you're athome, don't go. That's so true.
It is also like in a sportwhere there is no scientific proof that
any of these players will not bekilled by this sport, Like in a

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sport where it's like everyone playing itknows what is the cause of their death.
Yeah, like that's why the way, Yeah, there's heaters on the
sideline. It's fine. I promiseit's fine. The weather on the sidelines
was forty degrees warmer than anywhere elsein the city of Kansas City. There

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was the safest there. To behonest, I could feel Chris collins Worth
controlling himself because during the game atone point that he was calling someone was
like, well, I wonder ifthe players can feel anything in their fingers,
and like he like almost said somethingthat sappening, Like you know,
he wants to say none of themcan feel anything in their fingers anyway.
You know, you know, he'slike, I haven't had nerve endings in

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twenty years, what are you talkingabout? That's very true. And by
the way, I got an unbiasedopinion, I guess technically of Chris Collinsworth
because Lindsey watched the game with meand she's like, that guy's annoying.
So I mean, welcome to theclub. I'm glad that I'm not tainted,
but I don't have any bias atthis point every opinion. All I

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said is, yes, everybody hatesthat man, no one. I listen
and broad Football Talk to start.Yeah, coaching stuff, Yeah, what
a time Michigan takes care of businessofficially after last week's show where we were
recording during it, uh Saban outin college is kind of like the big

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one for me because it feels random. You're surprising, super surprising. Aim
and Belichick are doing something together rightlike that timing just felt so schedule.
They should create a super team.That would be so much fun. It'd
be so much fun. Go towho doesn't deserve it, Go to Carolina

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or I mean, I don't thinkthis would work with bill, but take
over a college program, some bumfuck mid major. Oh so it's like
the NCAA football game. How fastcan when we get Western Michigan up the
charts? Yeah exactly. Yeah,like that would be that would be incredible,
That would be so much fun.Go to the same conference, Dion's
that's all you need to do thatkiss them off so much. Be like

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god, damn a Colorado un lockedown go to Colorado State. Just let
it eat. See what great?But you know that was wild? I
is it. Let's start here ifthe you know, we record this on
Monday night, so we do notknow what happens in the Pittsburgh Buffalo or

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the Buccaneers Eagles game. But thosewere not two of the games that people
were most excited about. Uh,in a week of football, all bad
football, like maybe one good ishgame in Really, I think two teams
so far have played well. Yeahwould you say, ooh, I'm curious

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who you say? They're Texans?Yep, I think that's sure very good
and Packers I think Kansas City.I think Packers did fine. It's not
like they played terrible. Yeah,but like they Packers ran a practice.
That's all the Packers did. Andthey didn't play well, but they ran

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a practice so many throws were juston air. The Cowboys didn't bother to
show up like physically. Well,it is to your point. I don't
know if you can say they didn'tplay. I get what you're saying,
Like, I think they played wellfor fifteen minutes and it was over and
sure, but it's I think AaronJones played incredible. Some players played great.

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I'm with you, I get whatyou're saying. I think some people
are gonna be like they were upthirty two with six minutes up. They
played good. But I mean,I get what you're saying that the Cowboys
played so bad. I would argue, then one good team because I I've
got opinions on that Kansas City game. I here's my opinion. No one
plays good when it's that cold.I know we're not like cool. You

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won, surprise, surprise. Theteam who ran it better that day won
that game. What a crazy Ijust thought it was the most predictable game
of all time. I mean,I'm with you, that's but that's what
I'm saying. I'm just like avery injured Dolphins team that was also going
to play worse in the cold weather, didn't play well. I'm just not

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you know, Like it's like Ihate to like give no credit to the
Chiefs, but I just was like, they played fine. I'm with you
on that, Like they played fine. The Texans looked really good. I
think we've gone one good team sofar. And yeah, I don't know.
I'm with you. I get whatyou're saying on the Packers. It's
also like when the Packers had threeminutes of looking objectively terrible when they were

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trying to like rest guys, it'shard to like, yeah, look at
anything because it's like, man,three minutes of just shitty football. But
I think they played. It continuesto be the same thing though, where
it's like Jordan Love's best throws areunderthrown every time, like what are we
doing? Literally like not just alittle it's like ten yards wrong direction.

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It's it's fine because the Cowboys emotion, Cowboys see motion, and they didn't
know what to do. They wereout of line, and then they still
run a zone blitz which just ledextreme like weighted defense on one side over
the other. Big assholes. Ithink called a good game. Like I

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think this is down the better gamesbetter like strategies like game plans he's ever
had, but like he's gonna dothe same thing next week, and which
defense has seen more motion than anyother. It's the Niners because they have
to face the Niners offense in practiceevery week. But I mean as us
the game at not looking ahead tonext week or anything like truthfully, blocking

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wise, Packers super inconsistent. Defensivewise, super inconsistent, but they made
the place that they needed to.I don't think they played that well.
But the Cowboys just had egregious mistakesand there's pretty bad officiating, like the
first drives just to keep the Packersdrive going. If that didn't happen,

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I think it's a different game.Truth Yeah, I'm truly with you.
I like get every piece of that, because yeah, the rest probably had
their worst calls right away, andit truly just was like, oh it's
over, it's twenty seven nothing,We're done. Jay R. Alexander's on
the field for like ten minutes likesealed the game, which I was like,

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at a boy, so I thinkyou called it, which, like
I think it's fair to have thattone when everyone right now is like it's
riding the Packers pretty pretty deep,So I think that's fair. I think
the the better, more optimistic wayto spin it, and you're saying the

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exact same thing. I was impressedwith the peaks of the Packers. I
think there are a lot of pits, but I was more expecting those like
you highlighted the old line, soI'm gonna go there. I think inconsistent
is the right word. But Iwas not surprised when we saw some of
their worst moments like oh, theycan't control like an unprecedented rush, like

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they don't know how to pick aguy up. But there were moments of
like shit, like they can runblock like I was like, man,
when they get moving and get forAaron Jones one percent, They've got certain
schemes down. I was impressed bythat. There are players that are really
winning me over. I uh well, let me just as long as we're

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in this game, let me saythis. This was not the game for
me to be like, man,the Packers were a little high on our
own supply because I was texting peoplelike we're gonna get McCarthy fire twice.
This was awesome, Like I waslike deaf taxes and the Cowboys suck,
dude. I literally, it ishard to watch that game and not go

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all right, whatever, I'm goingfull heel packer fan right now. The
Cowboys for the last twenty years havebeen a b player in our fucking movie,
dude, And it's awesome. It'sso good. How's it feels just
coming up on replays of like,oh man, desdin't catch that bummer,
dude? Oh man, that sucks. Who did we beat before we lost

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the Giants? Oh? You whata while? Oh Man, what are
the odds? Who's your coach?Oh? Mike, No, that can't
be right. It's so funny tome that it's just like every year,
like the Cowboys are like, we'reAmerica's team, and I truly I think
we're like sure, I mean yougo, little buddy. I Oh,

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it's awesome, dude. And nowwe get the fiftieth moment in a row
where Jerry Jones has to like belike, what do we do? I
don't know, man, rebuild brow? What do they do? Though?
Because I like, I understand McCarthyprobably deserves to be fired, but when
you fire somebody, you also haveto be like, Okay, who's better

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than Mike McCarthy? And I getthere's a couple options, but I don't
know. It is hard in agame where everything goes wrong to like because
that's what I mean to like breakit down. Boy did this great on
paper? Dallas defense lay a fuckingegg like that. That's the issue.

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If the defense kept him in thegame, the offense would have figured it
out and been fine. Yeah,especially because and I want to start with
that point because it is not allDak Prescott's fault, but I think it's
been pretty clear for a while thatyou can do better than Dak Prescott,
be like the no brainer franchise guy, especially because for years I was like,

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you've got bigger fish to fry.But now, honestly, like,
uh, I think they've got somequestions at running back and with like health
and stuff obviously, but running backin the NFL is a fucking carousel anyway,
So I don't know if that's theirissue. Yeah, So for me,

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you know something you didn't know forforever. You've got good fucking receivers,
like I think this. Yeah,the receivers are good enough, and
your defense and offensive line are stillgood. I think now I need to
rebuild the line a little bit.I think they've got some moves there they
could hopefully really maybe not easily feel. But for me, if you're like

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looking for a fall guy, Ihere's my only defense of Mike McCarthy.
Mike McCarthy, we can't shit onhim for what is his big flaw.
He doesn't do anything like so,and for him to be the cause of
all your wees is just not true. Like the issue this year for him,

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that which makes him to me atleast a no brainer he's getting fired
is that he called for And Iforget his name every time because I hate
him so much. I literally can'tremember his name. The former offensive coordinator
who's the offensive coordinator for the Chargersnow former Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore,
I, I you could go back. There should be a compilation of me

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on every stream, never ever knowinghis name Kellen Moore. No, but
it's a combination of that's so funnybecause you can't remember his name, and
I always think he's the Vikings headcoach. Okay, he looks just like
that guy. I never remember thatguy's name, but Kevin o'cadall. But

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Kellen Moore. McCarthy got him outbecause he wanted to take over play calling.
So now all the pressures on him. So before McCarthy literally did nothing.
This time he at least called plays, did well all year, number
one scoring offense in the league,but obviously shot the bed when it mattered.
And again I don't think I wouldsay majority of the fault was on

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the defense. But even still,Cowboys didn't score. You know, score
enough points, you're gonna win thegame no matter what. And now he's
gonna get flared because he took allof the blame. He took all the
responsibility from that point. Now he'sgonna get flared. But now who do
you bring in? Like you bringin either Jim Harbaugh, you bring in
maybe Pete would go down there.I don't know Pete Osmond or Carroll.

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Pete Osmond would not go down there, but that Pete Carroll might. If
I'm Jerry Jude or Cherry Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones, I look at that
game and say, defense lost thegame. Offense stacked, We're gonna score
points no matter who's calm plays.That's what I learned from this year.

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So I'm bringing in a defensive guy, and if I was him, I
would bring in Vrabel that's who Iwould bring it. That's the program changer.
That's the guy who but I don'tbut Rabel has to get along with
you because he's the GM and owner. And that's why I don't think the
Belichick thing that everyone's rumoring works.He has respect for Jerry Jones and Steven

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Jones I think is his name,but like Belichick needs that personnel control and
I can't imagine Jerry's gonna give himthat. And that was like part of
the scuttle but I'm Vrabel was likeabout the control won and stuff. So
I it's not the sexy answer.I think if McCarthy's out, and I'm
with you on like, I thinkthis should question is different than the will
I think he's canned. Yeah,I think uh, I think it's Quinn.

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I don't think no after I mean, he lost this game, but
that's he's delusional, dude. JerryJones needs a guy he can work with,
Okay, so I think they shouldget a defensive guy. I think
it should be Rabel. What Ithink Jerry will do, and again he
probably has to bring in and asPhillips, No, I think he brings

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in Kellen Moore. Oh he doeslove him. That fits what I was
going for, which is I'm withyou on the blame game. It's just
that Jerry takes guys like McCarthy wasa surprise, like usually he has to
take from in the well because he'shard to work with because going to set,

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yeah, yeah, I agree withyou. That's the heavy roomor I'm
with you. I uh, maybeHarbaugh because it's a sexy like thing.
I think that could be good.We've said this before, but I'll say
it out loud in case it's beena while since we said it on the
show. I mean, the problemis Jerry Jones. I don't like if

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you look at the stats of theCowboys, like they shared that they haven't
made a conference championship game since ninetyfive, what an odd year. So
it's almost like the year he tookfull executive control, like he is the
problem. I was thinking about thissince everyone always talking. You watch a
Packer game, what do you hear? How do they pick these three quarterbacks

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in a row? Oh my god, d D D dayah since the nineties.
I think you can make an argumentthat the easy number three there because
it's hard to argue against, Likebasically that whole time for New England was
Tom Brady like one guy. Butfor people who had multiple dudes in that
same time period, cowboys are upthere like for all the shit they get

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Like you have some Aikman, thenyou get bled so then and I'm missing
some guys, but I mean theheavy hitters for long periods of time are
Aikman, bled Soe Romo Prescott.Yeah, like we've had like four like

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six year contracts in a row,you know, like correct, Yeah,
well, that's kind of why Ithink I agree Jerry's the problem. I
think Jerry's extremely good at drafting.I think Jerry's extremely good at contracts.
He just still has too much ofan imprint on the day to day that
he shouldn't have he has on thecoaching staff, Like philosophies at the coaching

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staff needs to have that shouldn't happen. I'm players that who should be playing.
He shouldn't have that, And that'sthat goes across a lot of teams.
Like I think the coaches need todecide who plays, and I think
people would be surprised to know thatmost teams that's not really the case.
It's a lot of times a generalmanager and the people in the front office

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slash owner. Yeah, that's interestingcoming from like from my perspective is like
a big baseball fan, where it'slike we've all accepted that the manager's really
just game managed, like that's whatthey do. And I remember that came
out that that was what McCarthy wasdoing last year and everyone's like loser,
Like what do you do just callingtimeouts, dude, And it's like,

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yeah, well that is. Hewas an extreme version of it. But
it's like that, especially on teamswith established quarterbacks, like for years it
was like what's the flour doing andit's like, I don't know, like
he can't do a ton, soI don't know. I I think with
the Cowboys, like Jerry Jones,is that's why the Cowboys are tricky.

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This team has been pretty good fortwenty years and just not good enough.
I think it is wild the stringof like they don't just like lose in
the playoffs, they blow up.Yes, so something's there with that obviously.
I don't know. They've got tolook at like expectation management and maybe

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that's Jerry, like he's got tostop showing up to meetings and being like
break the cars. I don't like. I don't know. The very first
thing he needs to do. Heneeds to stop having scheduled meetings with the
media or after games weekly radio.He needs to not do that. I
thought for sure he's got to stophaving kids. And I was like,

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the hun take ownership of the onesyou have, remember since the secret one
came out. I was like,you're right, man, as soon as
it's a surprise, we've gone toofar. Bingo bingo. But yeah,
a lot of issues there. Ifif okay, you're saying, it's not
if it's win. So when McCarthygets fired, do you think he gets

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another head coaching job this upcoming yearor do you think he has another sabbatical
where he brings the boys to hisbasement they watch film or whatever. I
think, once again, he's kindof screwed by timing. Like a lot
of the teams that just dropped establishedguys have already announced replaces. I think

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he takes another year just because he'sgonna he's gonna be the big target when
he comes up. But I justlike think at the time he goes out,
I don't know if he wants togo to like, like, does
he want to be the guy inCarolina or Washington or what you know,
like, yeah, I don't know, like people will want him, I'll
answer that I think people will wanthim. I think also people should want

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him. He is in a likea coach with a really good record,
I think, honestly, I don'tknow if he'd want it. I'd love
to see him on a team likewe've only seen him on teams with like
super Bowl expectations. Maybe he woulddo a lot of good for him if
he went to like Atlanta or Washingtonand it was like make them good and

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like, you know what, Washingtondeserves absolutely nothing. I mean in fact
that the fact that they came outright away it were like, we're not
interested in Bill Belichick. We shallbe like, okay, then sell the
team again. If you're not interestedin Bill Belichick, why are you here?
Why are you here? I know? Is that's crazy? Should we

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that is a little bit related tothe game I want to play. Should
we take a detour there? Nowthat we've got Packers talkow and we get
back to these other games in thesecond, let's do it. Let's play
the game that we teased last week. Yeah, we got it for this
week. So this is a throwbackto segment we have played in the years
past. Act. This is calledgauge the age. Ooh okay, and

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I've tweaked it slightly because Zach,I'm gonna throw opinions at you, uh
that were for sure wrong at onepoint. Yeah, yeah. And you
remember something about Bill Ben Roethlisberger hiswiggle or something at some point his ability

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to run one hundred And you gotto tell me, are those still wrong?
Okay? Okay, okay, Sogauge the age of this take,
Zach, is it still wrong oris it true? Okay? Because these
came out, we were all like, that's incorrect. But now who knows?
Gage the aide Zach, Bill Belichickwas only successful because of Tom Brady.

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I mean, that's that's wrong.Then still wrong? You sure,
I don't know he's out now.He can't coach dude good before Tom Brady.
We knew it before Tom Brady camein the league. They can't vope
be good. I mean, that'sthat is true. I've never seen a

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good head coach and quarterback in thesame room, much less the same team.
I mean, that's a great point. You can stand a specific article
here, by the way, becausethere are so many. I saw one
that right after the Bucks won theSuper Bowl that was like, uh,
I should have wrote that one downbecause I think it was like imposter revealed.

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It was like a really harsh article. It's like okay, now,
so okay, And by the way, Washington, what you should be trying
to do this year. You shouldbe trying to get Bill Belichick and you
should be trying to get Tom Bradyto come out of retirement, because both
things I think are very much possible. Like, there's no other team that

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makes more sense to bring in BillBelichick than Washington. You can call him
the commander in Chief, you cando all of this stuff. He's the
whole armed forces thing that's in hisblood. You get Tom Brady in the
nation's capital, parlay that into apresidential run, do whatever you gotta do.
All of that makes so much sensethat they're like, I'd like to

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interview maybe the Lions offensive coordinator.That could be good. Yeah, shit
like that. Sorry contu good dude, that's the game. That's the game.
That's a sicy woman. I knowwhat sucks. Except for Bill Belli
checking Tom Brady. They're both goodthey're both good. That's true. This
one Jim Harbaugh is not a goodenough coach to coach in the National Football

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League. Oh that's wrong. Ithink if he returns next year, he
would have the best active head coachingrecord in the NFL, and I think
he is one of the best bypercentage of all time. So that's wrong.
Here's why I wanted to bring itup, because here's the other take.
This is the most extreme version,Jim Harbaugh is not a good enough

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coach to coach in the Big Tenbecause there's all these articles that are like,
I'm not leaving and everyone's like youneed to leave, Like I agree
with that, bore that I agreewith the NFL one. By the way,
Well, okay, and let's getto the perform the argument. He
just won a national title. Yeah, national championship game, berths, So

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what take this is the better wayto do that one? In particular?
What take is more correct at thispoint? Jim Harbaugh is one of the
best football coaches period active right now, or he's the most overrated coach in
the country, because I think bothtakes were believed at one point. Yeah,

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yeah, which one's more correct?Right now? I think he's one
of the best head coaches. Ithink he's one of the best coaches.
Okay, I know I'm good.I'm a little on the overrated side.
My only thought with that is whatwe know to be true is the best
football team in college did not participatein the playoffs for sure, yes,

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yes, uh and Florida State washurt so they didn't have to play them,
and they only had to play OhioState once. So I I look
very good. Though. Michigan wasvery good and very stacked, and some
of that is because of him.A lot of it is because of him.

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I will give him credit. Hedoesn't get enough credit for how well
he adapted to the new culture oflike recruitment college. He also faced a
lot of adversity this season. Noone cares about his players more man,
no one's hungry on his team.You want a burger, people, I
can't believe people were doubting them.I can't believe people really just thought.

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I mean, there was people Jakethat said that they didn't belong in the
playoffs, not because how good theirteam is, but that's irrelevant. Yeah,
yeah, a lot of doubters,A lot of doubters. I might
be one of them. I don'tknow. Some people say there should be
an asterisk next to our championship game. That's how much adversity we faced.

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Okay, that's true. By theway we called it out last week,
this has been a crazy week foreveryone's doubted us. It's been a huge
press week for uh Man, noone believed in us. God. Yeah,
bad week for the doubters. Terribleweek for the doubts. I know,
uh this one's act. I thinkthis was the one that made me

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think of the game. This isreally gonna get at you coming off of
the Lions Rams game. This take, I promise you was wrong at one
point, and I ask you,now, is it wrong? Jared Goff
is a better quarterback than Matthew Staffordscoreboard Yeah, true, true, boy

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Stafford. What a gutty performance bystaff Dude, I say that. Oh
my god. All the articles andnews coverage to day, it's like,
wow, is this the worst tradeof all time? Like Man Lions and
it's like, no, did youthe M one one? They said it
was a one year, seven yourdeal. It's the craziest thing I've ever

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seen. But no, they won. They already done. They've already won,
I know, but okay, soobviously still wrong. Yeah, was
Jared Goff? Is he good enoughthat the deal was lopsided? I think

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that is a more interesting argument oflike, because the Lions not only got
other you know, money and picks, they also got a quarterback, Like,
is Jared good enough to make thatgap bopsided in that deal? I
think both teams won, like thetrade, they both came out better because
of it. The whole thing isyou got to hit on your draft picks,

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and most teams don't do that becausemost draft picks don't pan out,
and Detroit has so because they hiton the draft picks, it's like,
oh shit, they made a goodtrade. But if they made draft picks
like they had for the previous fivedecades, then it's like, oh,
bad trade, like that did notwork out. But because they made good
picks and they made another good tradein there as well, I believe to

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get more picks and stuff. Imean, they came out as winners,
and Jared Goff is good enough.Much like I said about Jordan Love,
Jared Goff is good enough to winwith. You're not gonna win because of
them. But to say that theLions don't have a Super Bowl chance this
year. I think they do forsure. Likely, no, but they
have a chance. They do literallyhave one. Yeah, No, I'd

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like it for sure. I think, yeah, it's obviously what you do
with the deal. I don't thinkthere's any question that I view golf a
lot higher now than I did evenplaying in this peak in Los Angeles.
Like I thought he was a systemquarterback then and now I don't know now
he's not. I listen, Iwas just gonna say, we're gonna disagree

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on this, but I don't know. I don't look at the Lions and
go, that's a good system.They're running on vibes and the vibes are
immaculate. That part's true. ItI have said. I just maybe this
is the hill I die on,and that is okay. I have four

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years said the chink in Dan Campbell'sarmor is he's gone. Jared Goff's my
guy, and I still think thatcould be the case. Like I think,
I don't know if i'd say systemquarterback as much as I love the
talent on the Lions roster and Ithink golf benefits from it, but I

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don't know if I'm like that schemereally allows him to thrive. But you
know, I don't know, thatmight just be I'm looking more and more
incorrect on that by the day.Like I think you could be right that
he's good enough to win with.I don't know he is. I mean,
he brought a team to a superBowl they destroyed. But like,

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if you get to the super Bowl, you're good enough to win with.
There's no doubt about that. That'strue. But is he closer to Trent
dilferd than he is to you know, yeah, he's Rex Gross. Congratulations,
you're right, You're right. Ijust think both of those guys had
pretty thin margins of success, andI think it might be the same.

(32:24):
By the way, he's better thanRex Gross, but not a take I
putting him in dilfer in the phonebooth though, that's a that's a knocked
out drag out. Let's see whatthat looks like. His arms stronger,
That's all I know about him.His arms for sure stronger. Yeah,
yeah, I mean, yeah,probably a better commentator. I don't know,
but you know, And I've gotone last one here for you,

(32:47):
Okay, cage stage sack. StephCurry is too small to play in the
NBA. It was wrong for tenyears, but I think it might be
right now. It's caught up tohim. That's right, that's right.
We knew it. It just tooka little bit of time to show itself.

(33:12):
That's a right stupid thing, especiallylike you can say. I mean,
they called Bryce Young the Steph Curryof the NFL, and so far
he's looking too small. I suppose, like in a sport where there's contact
and you can get hurt. Yeah, fine, in a sport where the
whole thing is you can't really havecontact, Like I think he's fine.

(33:34):
Yeah yeah. Uh. The morearticulate way to put that tact, to
actually make you pick a side onit, is Steph Curry is not good
enough to carry a team on hisown that at one point was definitely incorrect.
Is it no longer the case?The Warriors are having a pretty gross

(33:58):
year, I guess, and fingerseverywhere. But my question to you is
is do they need to like isthe bait is the you know, is
the dream over? I mean,they have to make moves for sure.
He for sure cannot lead a teamby himself. It's pretty obvious bringing in
Chris Paul was a horrendous move,like that's already been known. And Thompson,

(34:22):
Clay Thompson looks old. Clay Thompsondoesn't look right. He is Chris
Paul, his cursed usually this ishis super Bowl though, like we're in
January. It's Chris Paul time.He's heard obviously, but like, honestly,
this isn't even a show. Okay, I mean comingos, but like,

(34:45):
okay, I'll phrase it. Iwas gonna say Draymond Green's the second
best player. That's not true.I think Draymond Green is the second most
important player. Yeah, And isthat a championship winning formula? I don't.
I don't know, probably not.I also think, you know,

(35:06):
you can only teams fall into this. Sometimes they're one of them. You
made, you made a formula sogood for success, everyone's copied it and
you haven't adjusted yet. Like that'shard to do. But it's like I
think sometimes teams find that where it'slike, oh, you like broke it

(35:27):
wide up. And the most obviousand clear example of that for me is
like the movie Moneyball, where it'slike, man, those plucky as they
looked at the numbers and they madethat budget work that lasted one year,
and then all the teams with themoney went smart, and then they they
did it with a bigger budget.Like it's like and the Warriors stretched that

(35:49):
out. But now it's like,I don't It's like, well that's what
the Nuggets are doing, but waybetter right now. Or it's like,
if we want to take a tripback even further, it's like the Celtics
start playing small ball. You know, they brought in the veterans KG and
stuff like that, and then theywere just too old to keep doing it.
And then the Warriors perfected it,and then the Warriors their run,

(36:13):
and yeah, now everyone is basicallydoing it. Everyone has the multi you
know, either a duo or atrio of superstars. And then the supporting
cast and unfortunately, the Warrior supportingcast is like Dario Sarich, don't you
don't you disparate dude? You knowother players like that Gary Payton, the

(36:35):
second, second or third one ofthe two. Yeah, I mean,
hey, he's he's he would helpthe team in a very similar way to
dreybod He would help the team thatway. You know, Yeah, need
need every team needs someone to slapthe floor and dray bond Green will slap
everything that's got a the curse andthe blessing with him. He's back,

(36:57):
though I know he is back.Better with him here, and I I
mean, I hope he is supersweet, obnoxiously nice for the rest of
the regular season. Warriors make arun to get in the play in game,
which isn't in an accomplishment, andthen we get Drapon back and he
just starts knocking people out. Well, here's a teaser. At the end

(37:21):
of the show, Zach and Iare going to give you top threes of
things that we don't want people toforget from twenty twenty three. Draymond's on
my list. Good good. Draymondshould be on a lot of lists,
and I'm glad he's on that one. At least. I think he's on
a lot of watch lists. Iuh for sure. I know. Well
that was gains the aide. Zachfocused mainly on the coaches, But you

(37:44):
know, this is a tough weekfor legacies, Like I just think,
you know, I don't know,it's just hard to me to think back
on Like there were years where Ithink Jim Harbab was the biggest punching bag
in yeohtball, and now he's gotso much shit and none of it really
fair, Like I also think tobe very fair. The Michigan team when

(38:09):
he took it over was a lotfurther away from consistency. Listen, he
got credit, so like that wasgood. I said after the show went
off air last time that it's like, you know, the Kaepernick thing was
racist when it costs Harbor job,Like, it's like it's just a weird
legacy. I don't know, butZach, I think we need to talk

(38:32):
about one little thing that happened offair last week. Do we remember,
folks at home who took over forJim Harbaugh at head coach? Oh?
That didn't happen up there. Ohthis is a great one. Hey,
everybody think about that. Who didit? Yeah? But you know,
was it Mike Singletary? No,he was before Harbaugh? Like what who

(38:53):
took over for Jim Harbaugh? Because, like I said earlier, when you
fire a coach, you have aplan to bring in someone who is better.
And Jim Harbaugh got fired because hewanted more control than he could have
gotten. So the general manager needto put his big boy pants on fire
him because we're not playing Kaepernick.You know that, that motherfucker. So

(39:14):
we need to bring in someone who'stough, hard nose. It is going
to be the guy for Niners,faithful. And they promoted Jim tom Sula
that you look up some Jim Tomsulapress conferences. They're crazy love Jim tom

(39:34):
Zuel. That's who they promoted him. That was their succession plan. And
then when that didn't go right,I believe it was immediately Chip Kelly,
oh my saying Chip Kelly, Okay, here we go. Ready, I'm
gonna put you on the spot.I will go first to be fair.
Top five coaches who had such abad run. It's entertaining a bad run,

(40:00):
Okay, let me word it away. Had a very entertaining, not
good run, like all in all, not good chips on my list.
Another easy one, h is we'reoff to the races because I'm not gonna
get his name right, but I'mjust gonna give it to you. The
guy who is in the Bengals fortwenty fucking years. Oh, Marvin Lewis.

(40:22):
Marvin Lewis, what did he do? Like? That was crazy?
He was there for too long.Number three mentioned him earlier. Wade Phillips.
What are we doing? Yeah,yeah, wait, yeah, weird,
weird run all the way around.Number two Cliff Kingsbury. Not enough

(40:44):
love on the reign of Cliff Kingsbury. His whole story just taking the USC
job for a day, like,nope, promotion, I deserve it.
Yeah, I forgot he did that. That was weird. That was really
weird. Okay, I'm gonna givean Onrell mention because it's too obvious,

(41:05):
So I'm not gonna go this route. Okay, this whole top five,
but this is the Jeff Fisher topfive. This whole list is just yeah,
you remember Jeff Fisher's name. Wait, why did he get to coach
for twenty years? He's a footballguy. You know, you need to
have a football guy round. Heis a football guy. And if if

(41:25):
Dixon's arm was two inches longer,he'd have a Super Bowl ring. But
it's it's a little insane. Wewould be talking about him so differently if
he just got that Super Bowl Ithink, I mean and McNair's career goes
down the tube, everyone would havetaken Vince Young. It's a weird career.

(41:45):
He hit Sam Bradford and that wentweird. Like and then Foles like,
think of the people he's like.I don't know, maybe the gods
just hated it. But he's notnumber one, zact number one. You
can't tell me you had a goodrun, but boy did he have a
run. That's right. Coach ofthe Year Chuck Pegana, Yeah, yeah,

(42:07):
Suck Pegana was more beloved in ayear where he couldn't coach than I've
ever seen any coach be beloved,Like has it? His stock raised so
much during the year he had cancerand I'm so happy he recovered and his
kid. Yeah. I mean youthink he sends a check every year to

(42:28):
Bruce Arians, because I probably reallythink he should send a check every year
to Bruce Arians. He should,And we just saw another example of that
play out. Ron Rivera's on thelist. Oh for sure, Rivera is
on the list. I just likePegana is such a fricked like obvious cliches.
And also just like if Andrew Knuckis a docent of a bitch,

(42:52):
he's gonna be It's like, givehim an old lineman, Chuck, what
do we do it? What's thatChuck's fall? He's not drafted him.
I don't know. I think he'slike, you know, take your lumps,
dude, you'll be better off forit. Rod is a great pull.
I'm he can't be on the list. He's too good. But Mike
Shanahan's awfully close. I mean atthe end. Yeah, John Fox,

(43:15):
I think is on there. JohnFox and love Smith as well, Lovey
Smith too. Okay, this guywas is not good enough to be on
the list. He's a little toojust straight up bad. But I mean
Mike Singletary, yeah, I meanyeah, it was the whole time.
It's like, this isn't right,but we can't fire matter of respect.

(43:40):
Yeah, Patrick Willison, Frank Gorewill never forgive us. Yeah, that
was a weird one. Brandon Staley, that was a disaster. Well and
his predecessor. I put Norv Turnerpretty damn close to the list. Uh
yeah, it's a little more funwhen they travel around a couple teams.

(44:00):
I know that's not true Pegana,but you know it's Oh, Frank Reich.
I thought of Frank Reike. He'sa little fresh for me. But
I I think you're right, youknow, who should be up there?
Talk about a guy nobody ever talksabout. Okay, Uh, I'm gonna

(44:21):
forget his name too, but you'regonna get it for me. Uh,
Sherman, it came to me Sherman. Yeah, yeah, no, look
out that guy. Yeah. Heended up going to Canada and then I
think Texas A and M Yeah,something like that. Yeah, give him
a google who Packer fans do himwell, but not great. No,

(44:44):
it's like people forget that'd be agreat trivia question, like name Packers couches,
because no one remembers there's someone betweenHomegrown and McCarthy. Yeah, there's
there's been some interesting names. Ifyou people name pack his coaches would just
be like, I mean the Homegrencoaching tree. Do you remember that?

(45:04):
We got Andy Reid, we gotJohn Gruden, we got all these big
names. We got Kevin Marucci,Steve Mariucci. Yeah the coach, Yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah. KevinGreen is out of that hell yeah.
Uh. If you want to goback enough, this is the segment.

(45:24):
Now I should real dad, andyou want to know the craziest head coach
of all time? People forget ForrestGreg was a coach. Oh yeah,
yeah, he's got some of thebest quotes you'll ever hear. If you
are willing to like, look up, I read like a Forest Greg book
and it's like they played. Heplayed in the Ice Bowl and then the

(45:45):
second coldest game of all time whenthe Bengals played the Chargers, and to
get his team pumped, like helike came in with a bucket of ice
and was like, this is acold and he like, don't it on
himself. It's crazy, dude,you gotta look him up. It's awesome.
He was like not wearing a coatto prove he was tougher than everybody.

(46:07):
Yeah, it's awesome. People gottano, no one talks about Forrest
Greg enough. But that's true.That's true. Remember when Bud Grant did
that at that Vikings playoff game.It's just way too cold. He went
out there in a T shirt.Could barely walk if it was eighty degrees.
But he's out there somehow. Toughguy, tough son of a bitch.
Tough son of a bitch. That'swhat they said about Bud Grant.

(46:30):
That said, yep, yeah,I know, well this was your walk
down memory light. But I mean, what a time it's been for coaches.
But yeah, Jim Harbaugh and JimTomsula, Dude, what a name.
Uh, but great, here weare. Uh, he's going somewhere
and Zach one of the places thathe could be going. That's right,

(46:55):
Cleveland. I'm starting a rumor.I don't know why. I think he's
out, dude, No, Idon't know. I just wanted to tie
in to one of our other gamesthat I have realized that neither losing team
was going to fire their coach.I took a shot that was wrong.
Stefan was great. What does JoeFlacco do though, because obviously, well

(47:16):
he's screwed. Yeah, one gamecost him a sure fired another starting job,
which is a bummer. He'll getthe exact same opportunity, right some
a veteran backup on a team thatneeds one. Yeah. I think he's
earned himself the backup spot though,at least which he didn't have obviously.
Yes, I also think someone willpay him so they can trade him to

(47:39):
the team with an injury. He'llbe the first call next year when someone
big goes down. Let's he's JoshMcCown everyone, Josh mc ring. Yeah,
yeah, he's Nick Foles. Yeah, that is my most By the

(48:05):
way, what does what if?This is the scenario? I want the
Bears had the first overall pick.They have like the third or fourth or
something. Maybe maybe it's lower.I don't know, but it's like,
Okay, half the fan base islike, okay, we've seen enough.
Justin Field's gone. We're gonna draftthe number one quarterback. We're gonna be
good to go. What if theBears don't trade but they get their quarterback

(48:28):
by signing Joe Flacco. With thecombination of Fields and Flacco, they're like,
hey, big quarterback acquisition. Imean, this guy's got a rig.
He's gonna teach fields how to playlike. I think that could happen
legitimately. I I like it.I like him on that kind of team.
By the way, we've said thisfor years, give me more.
Ever since we had Kyle Orton andTim Tebow, I want more quarterback combats

(48:53):
kind of. I mean, that'swhat New Orleans did Kpatrick and TWOA for
a little bit, a little bit. They should have kept that going.
You know, Patrick would have thrivedin that temperature. Yeah. Yeah.
Ever since I saw him in thecrowd at the Bills game, he's immune,
dude, So I think, uh, it's not a bad idea.

(49:17):
Will they do it? No,I think I think I think Flacco turned
down offers this past offseason because hewanted to be on a contender, Like
he wanted a starting job on likea good team, which is awesome,
or a chance to compete for astarting job on a good team. But
at that points he takes any jobin the NFC South maybe like what's a

(49:42):
contending job there? Because if that'sthe case, I hate to say this.
I mean R Roebaker, like,I don't you know, like him,
Derek Carr should be afraid. Yeah, I mean Falcons would have been
Falcons would have been in the playoffswith Flaco, for sure. Those are
all good. Yeah, what doeshe consider contender? Would he be like,

(50:06):
listen, go to the Giants,they're like paying nobody. Jets he
would have got the Jets of theplayoffs, Yeah, he would have for
sure. I have a lot ofsympathy for the Jets this season, just
because they kind of prred themselves intoa corner. But next season, I'm
so curious what they're gonna do.They can't. It's just like they came

(50:29):
out they were like Zach Wilson isthe next guy. Fuck the season,
Like what are we doing? Theyshould have been like it would have made
no sense. They should have beenlike, he needs a year, like
it's like it's times. Yeah.They should have came out and been like,

(50:50):
no, it literally doesn't matter whoit is he needs, he needs
time. Now. The report isJets want to trade Zach Wilson. Nobody
wants Zach Wilson. Like, okay, well for sure gets rid of all
leverage too. That's great. Iknow, congrats you have another Sam Donald.
I don't know how you did it, but I think all those teams

(51:13):
would be good. I think,or do you just send him to a
place that has injury issues. Letme throw an interesting one to you for
the price that he's going to getthat you get Flaco for Vikings. Vikings
are super interesting. I just think, you know, you don't know what

(51:34):
you got till it's gone. AndI feel like they realized Kirk Cousins might
be a little bit more valuable thanwhat he was, so I think they
resigned him for what is too muchmoney, probably for Kirk Cousins, But
I mean what the Vikings should dois they should use this terrible season to
draft a good quarterback. I don'tknow if they're going to do it.
I think they should draft a goodquarterback and play Flacco for a year.

(51:58):
That's fine. Yeah, I don'tmind that. No, or minshew,
like, just keep someone to throwthe ball down the field. And if
you're fine next year, you're finenext year. Like I think you know
you're going against trade for Trey Lancetoo. I mean, he's a Minnesota
guy like that. Absolutely the becauseyou're either rebuilding or you're not. So
if you're not rebuilding, I don'tknow if Cousins is the fix, you

(52:22):
know, to your your current talentlevel. And if you are rebuilding,
well you're behind the timetable of thePackers and the Bears anyway, so you
might as well reset. They haveto blow it up and build it around
Justin Jefferson, I guess because youcan't get rid of him. He's you
know, he's a contract. No, sure, you should build around him.

(52:43):
I'd like some of their defensive talents, uh, that you could build
around if you can pick a coupleof guys and keep them. So uh
yeah, I know, to tokind of take us back to the uh
what game was I even trying tofucking talk about? Oh? Uh,
take us back to the Browns game. Joe flackout that game. Uh yeah,

(53:05):
it sucks that it was like himthat cost him, but uh some
bad it was. It was him, but it was just the fact that
the Browns ended up being on theirlike sixth and seventh offensive tackles for the
year. Absolutely. Uh here's thetakeaway, BOYT, do I think the
Texans are scary? They're playing reallygood right now. I think they're good.

(53:30):
I think they are playing a littleover their heads, but I mean
they're good. They're the Packers witha couple of veterans, absolutely, and
team a better pass rush, muchbetter pass rush, so coach, and
a better quarterback. But I mean, you know, like they have to

(53:50):
go into Baltimore, who is likethe scariest team. But we've seen Baltimore
fuck it up like time and timeagain. Okay, you know what,
let's go viral. I'm gonna saysomething that people will not agree with,
but I'm gonna say to here,you know what the backers got over detections?
What our quarterback's cooler? There's noI'm I'm gonna get killed on.
This is a fucking loser, dude, No, no, no, Jordan

(54:15):
loves stopping to help ladies out ofsnowdrifts. He's a gentleman. That's a
plant. That's a plant that wasn'treal. It's real. I feel it
in my bonds. He's a niceguy. He's after the game being like
no one believed in us. We'regood. Start to fish. It's not
me, it's a team effort.CJ. Stroud is a little weird ow
dude. I think everyone war he'sthis is my point. I'm not up

(54:37):
here Gas and Jordan Love. Everyonethis week was like give me CJ.
Stroud man, he's a killer.His quotes are not killer quotes, they're
like serial killer quotes. He's outhere being like, oh it was fun.
They were like not in like acool Tom Brady way, like I'm
better than you. Like he wasjust like fun, Like he's a weird

(55:01):
dude. I'm a little out onCJ. Stroup. Like every time that
he talks, he's like, yeah, he's a killer, and I'm like,
I don't know. I want toknow who he's friends with in elementary
school. Yeah, I get yourpoint. But Jordan Love said to his
girlfriend and instead of saying like I'mticklish, which is already a weird thing,

(55:22):
to come out. He called ithe gets silly body instead of saying
it tickles. And that's a quarterbackin the NFL. That's a leader of
a team. That's fun. No, it's not like that fun. No,
no, no, no, no, no, that's crazy. It's
weird. I don't like it.I hate him forever because of that one

(55:46):
thing. No, that's fun,but put that on someone else. You
just aren't. I think you needto get around the idea that he's any
and then you'll like him. Becauselet me do that for you. Let
me do this thought experiment. Amanagine who's a crazy Imagine Jared Allen,
for back in the day, cameout and being like, dude, I

(56:06):
got silly body. We love it. Like that's a Jared Allen, like
your psycho, or like came outand uh, who's that crazy guy who
played for the Vikings all those yearsin the nineties. He would have silly
body number ninety three. He wassmall, he was a defensive head.
Randall like yeah, yeah, Randalland silly body. He didn't believe in

(56:27):
being tickled. No, no onewould have said that Andrew Luck has silly
body. Andrew Luck would have saidthat he's not cool and cool. He's
a different kind of cool. Iwas, I don't know, he's not
cool. Here's my that thank youfor making me think of Andrew Luck.
C J. Stroud is Andrew Lucktrying to be a bad guy. C

(56:47):
J. Stroud is like yeah,one hundred, Like he's like I like
being a heel. We're like,what like last week you were like I
love him, I'm all in.I watched that and I was like,
that'd be like if I came outand I'm like, I'm no, it's
like what you're talking about? Yeah, right, you're right. I know.
I just think the CJ. Stroudtalk is getting a little wild.

(57:09):
But he's really good and this teamis scary. There's not much if you
hear the Unloaded. I feel likethe List we were really getting to the
storylines. But the Browns we're reallyoverperforming. And I think this is a
well constructed Texans team who's hot rightnow. And the Texans found a way

(57:30):
to just stay on the field withlong drives or no rather, they were
able to score extremely quickly and brownthe Browns had really long drives. So
I mean, the best player inthe entire game is Miles Garrett and he
just was never on the field,correct, So I'll be interested in what
comes out there. But to me, the big question is, you know,

(57:52):
we're waiting to see matchups. Itlooks like Bills are going to win
as we currently record this for uptwenty four or Steelers are coming back though
in the most predictable Bills collapse wayof all time, Bills will win.
But yeah, Olers are coming back, so I won't even predict how that
goes. Then it could go eitherway yet as we talk, So I'll

(58:15):
be interested. But to the question, because we'll talk, we'll talk about
we kind of talked about how theweather impacted the Dolphins Chiefs game. But
do you think the Texans have showedthat they could beat either the Chiefs or
the Ravens. Well, they willgo they already well, Steelers aren't going

(58:36):
to win this, so Texans goto Baltimore. I think they can beat
the Ravens. I just think theTexans defense isn't good enough. Yeah,
I think that's the issue. I'dlove to see them against the Chiefs.
I think that game would be awesome. I think that's an interesting test of
momentum. But I don't think that'swhat we're gonna get. I think you're

(58:58):
correct. So Chiefs go to Buffalo. So Chiefs have always destroyed Buffalo in
the playoffs, right, not justbeat them every time, but it's always
in Kansas City. So do youthink the missing element is that it's gonna
be in Buffalo because I feel likeit's gonna be the same fate. Uh,
that'd be an interesting story to tellabout, like Buffalo. Like if

(59:20):
that storyline is gonna happen, Ifeel like it happens in Buffalo, so
that could be good. But Ifeel like if that would happen, they'd
kick the Steelers ass tonight, whichI don't feel like's going on, but
I feel like it's this is alreadyshape. This is the story that's being
told to me. So Bill's Steelersget moved right, supposed to be played

(59:43):
Sunday because of whether I've moved toMonday, and the mayor was the one
who did it, and now themayor I think it was mayor, mayor
governor. I think it's mayor.So then the mayor again came out because
it's supposed to be bad weather todayand they were like, Okay, we're
just not gonna move it or whateveragain. We can't move it again.
Yeah, but the mayor is makingthemselves stone Jake, And if Travis Kelsey

(01:00:06):
comes into town, the mayor's alreadybeen in the spotlight for NFL headlines.
They're gonna keep talking and they're gonnado some little shot at Travis Kelce and
Travis Kelsey's gonna have another feud withanother mayor on the East Coast. I
love him just working his way throughmayors. That's awesome. I'm in on
that story. I Yeah, ifyou have ex's and o things to talk

(01:00:29):
about in the Chiefs Dolphins game,go for it. I don't really like
it. We kind of broke itdown. Let's get into the storyline thing
then, because I think that's interesting. AFC side. I hate to say
it. I feel like this isvery clearly like we kind of talked about
it last week. I didn't reallysee it, and now I do.
I think it's very much like,how do we make people underestimate the Chiefs

(01:00:53):
when they're clearly the best team andwe have the coldest game of all time?
They are if they make the SuperBowl and the games go tonight,
the way they look like they're goingto They win the coldest game they've ever
had in Kansas City against a Dolphinsteam that put up eighty this year.

(01:01:14):
They go to Buffalo. I assumethat's one degree colder. That's my head
candidate. They beat them, andthen they go to Baltimore and beat them,
and I'm assuming a game that's fortybelow by that point. So I
think that storyline of oh, youthought these other teams were good, cool

(01:01:38):
is set. I think we've gota very clear run ahead of us for
the Chiefs. I just think that'sthe story because at this point, it's
like they're not established enough at thismoment for Baltimore to beat and that to
feel like dope or it's like ifBills win, do I root it for
them against Baltimore. I'm not.I don't know, but I think the

(01:02:00):
NFL wants people to do for theBills. I just don't think. I
think people are out on the Bills. I don't think people wanted you for
Josh Allen, and people don't likeStefan Diggs for obvious reasons. No.
I figured it out. I figuredit out because I was like, are
we really gonna go face run?Nah? We go here run. They
go to Buffalo in Buffalo beat Buffalo. Yeah, Texans beat Ravens. And

(01:02:24):
they go to Arrowhead and everyone wantsCJ. Stroud to win and they lose
bare yeah uh. And then weget a heel Chiefs and all right,
we go to the NFC side.This is tough without the Eagles game happening
yet, right, right right,I think there's a clear storyline set up

(01:02:44):
and people are afraid to say it. Not me, Okay, say it,
say it for everybody. Dude.The Green Bay Packers just hear me
out. They just beat former coach, cost him a job. Yeah,
he's gonna get canned. They thenare going to face ghosts of Christmas past

(01:03:06):
forty nine ers who I'm gonna hearfor one hundred million times how they didn't
draft Rogers and we can never beatthem. And now Love beats them in
his first gap. We get thatstoryline. And then who do they play
in the NFC Championship game? Onemore ghost to exercise? Baby, Well,
they didn't win their division tech Wellthey didn't when they won in twenty

(01:03:29):
ten either, did they? Whothey played in the NFC Championship game?
Dude? We they number one trickat WWE. You wanna guess what's gonna
happen. Watch the product from tenyears ago. That's what we're doing.
Packers just got a new quarterback andwe're just doing the same thing. I
one storyline wise, that's where we'regoing. And for Packers haters, I

(01:03:52):
get it. You know, it'sit's hard to fight the truth. And
that's a Packers chief super ball thatwe never got with Rogers, and we
get with Love instead, where Iassume he makes his debut on a state
farm commercial where everyone calls him Aaronand he's not Aaron. I think that's

(01:04:14):
what we're gonna get. And thenwe get Chiefs Packers and I think Chiefs
win. I'd like to say Packersmith, but I don't think so. I
think Chiefs still win. We're justfilling of the month. This is the
mc fawley push. I take youa while. We're dude Love and I
stand by it. It makes toomuch sense. I hate I hate how

(01:04:36):
much sense it makes. Oh come, there's no stars, Zach. That's
because the stars the past. We'rejust gonna keep throwing up clips of Bart
Starr, FARVN Rogers and we're goodto go. Man, doesn't it seem
like the NFC was a little weak. Don't we need some star power?
Dude? It just it will breakmy heart if Jordan loves beat the fortynine

(01:05:00):
Ers, because they all we knowis that the forty Nators run for two
hundred against the Packers every time inthe playoffs and now Jordan Lovell beat them
with like one hundred and seventy fiveyards passing and be like he did what
Rogers can never do, Like gofuck yourself. It's what's gonna happen a
hundred I hate it a hundred percent, or we get a Philly run.

(01:05:21):
It feels like the only two wayswe can go and I we need to
stop with by the way. Sopeople are saying, again, we don't
know the result. The game hasn'tstarted yet for Philly. People are saying
if Philly loses, Sirianni's gonna getcanned, and like, why are they
shaping this up for them to bethe biggest underdogs of all time, Like
we saw what they just what happenedlast time and they go for a super

(01:05:44):
Bowl Like, yeah, this iswhat we talked about last week. So
truthfully, both of these teams arejust super underdogs. Literally, everyone's doubting
them, and we're gonna get aSuper Bowl rematch and we're gonna be like,
whoa, what a run? Itis crazy. We'd let them do
this. You can't. And whenit happens, you play you remember this

(01:06:05):
show? Yeah, because we cameon and stop it. We saw the
previews. Don't do it. Justgo back to the beginning of the season
when we're like, it's got tobe a Kelsey rematch, right, and
then middle of the season maybe wesaid something else and then now we're here
like, oh my god, howdid we get the wool pulled over our

(01:06:28):
eyes? Here? This is Ijust uh yeah. One last point on
the Packers thing, because this iswhere where people are like, what you
don't actually think the leagues are booked? And I say no, but think
about it, right, because here'sthe thing. What if I told you
that the Packers are on a surprisingrun and the teams that they would have
to knock out to make it toa Super Bowl are the Cowboys, the

(01:06:50):
Eagles, the forty nine ers,and a division rival, and you guess
what year it is, because it'stwo thousand, nineteen ninety eight or nineteen
sixty three, because this is crazythat we just we don't even why is
it never Carolina? We've never gotto beat Carolina. We've always got to

(01:07:13):
beat the Eagles, the forty nineErs, the Cowboys, and sometimes the
Eagles are the Giants. That's theonly thing that changes. Yeah, Giants
gets thrown in every once in awhile. Yeah, I don't, I
don't know, and we switch ourdivision rival. But I just I liked
the idea that Detroit's like it's ourtime and we're like, ah, they
didn't read the script. Yeah,who's the main character, dude, Jordan

(01:07:36):
Love shouldn't be this good. You'reright, but right, that's pleass to
me. The whole NFL years feltlike that, like this one thing happened,
Why did it happened? Don't know, did it really happen? Not
really, but that's the narrative we'regoing with, Like that's what it feels
like the entire year. Every weeksomething happened like that. I will say

(01:07:59):
they are attempting to build another narrative, which is they're not even trying with
the Ravens, which annoys me becauseI wish we would just build around Lamar
and we get like who's better Lamarand Mahomes, But I don't think we're
doing that. I've heard them startto really hammer home, not that they
have it before, but like,how is Purdy going to match up against

(01:08:20):
these other Like he was mister irrelevantand all these other quarterbacks were like top
tier picks. I'm fine with thatstory if we get Mahomes Purdy and I
have to pretend that the only reasonthe forty nine ers are good is because
of him and not the maybe bestrunning back of the last twenty years.
Okay, I can you know,smile not I'll do like we could do

(01:08:43):
the storyline and he'll win the trophyinstead of mccafu. Such a Mickey mouse
bullshit story though, but I meansome people will eat it up, but
we can't have that be the storyfor this now. They didn't want to
give us what we actually wanted,which was Trubisky Garrett in the and if
the AMC Championship game that would havebeen too that's too e c W.

(01:09:03):
Yeah exactly, Yeah, we knew, we know what would happen at that
point. Yeah, but yeah,whatever, I don't know. So there's
spoilers for the rest of the playoffs. Yeah, I mean, save it,
bookmarket, share it with your friends, because we've we figured it out.
We figured it out months ago.But we reminded ourselves and don't look

(01:09:25):
at the predictions I gave to avery sports article a little bit ago,
because those were not correct. Theywere not They were fun. It would
have been fun. It would havebeen fun. But now I know that's
the last game I wanted to talkabout tech. We touched on it a
little bit. My last question toyou is how real are uh yeah,

(01:09:46):
I don't even care. Never mind, I was going to ask you how
real the Lions we've talked about thatthey're real. They could they could do
it. Here's my actual question.Did that Did that storyline live up to
the height? Did we get whatwe wanted out of the return to Stafford?
I think so. I would havereally liked it if he had the
ball, you know, one finaldrive to win it or lose it.

(01:10:09):
I think that's what I was reallyhoping for. We knew it would be
a one score game. We gotvinched Stafford in that he just kept getting
hurt, and he just kept goigback out there like hand bleeding eyes rolled
back in head when his head smacksthe turf. Doesn't matter, but something
just didn't feel right. I don'tknow, I don't know. We needed

(01:10:33):
a little bit more hype. LikeI said, one final drive to win
it or lose it, I thinkwould have been great. I wish the
Lions were trailing for most of thegame, yeah, right, or a
part of it at least felt weirdto have Stafford chasing Yeah, I mean,
I mean yeah, I mean Iwas just starting to think, like,

(01:10:55):
what has Detroit witnessed the most forever? And I feel like it's been
Stafford trailing though, and then hecomes back in the fourth quarter and wins.
True. Well, and I kindof thought we were heading in a
good spot where it's like Campbell gettingreally risky trying to run a game out.
But it worked, so I that'sthe thing. There's a couple of
decisions in the game where I'm like, uh, oh, Dan Campbell is

(01:11:18):
gonna get slaughtered if this does notwork work yeah. Uh, And now
I think he's kind of out ofthat wood because now unless they play the
Buccaneers, even if they are thehome team against Philly, they I don't
think will be favored to win thatgame, which is weird, but it

(01:11:41):
depends. It depends because Philly's sobeat up, Like if they if Philly
comes out and looks like Philly fromlast year tonight, then then Detroit will
be underdogs. Also, can Itell you something that's funny because of how
wrong I am. I was like, we're gonna get a brother matchup in
Philly's and Lions. Do you knowwho I was thinking of? I thought
we were going to get I thoughtwe were going to get a J Brown

(01:12:05):
versus Saint Brown. Yeah. Iwas like, Wow, one of them's
a little more holy than the otherone, but other you know, that's
about it. That's the difference.Yeah, yeah, that's fa No,
I'm on Row does have a brother, but it's it's not Anyjay. So
uh yeah there you guys might aswell be. It'd be a better story
if it was. Yeah, sorryyou I know, all right, Zach.

(01:12:29):
Any other football thoughts before we endon things people should not forget from
twenty twenty three, let's end itwith our thoughts. Mine's not necessarily from
twenty twenty three, but it's onthe topic of the Lions, and I
just want to remind people of DanCampbell's food habits. I have three things
and again one of the things we'veheard a million times, but again we

(01:12:51):
just need to remind people how outrageousthis is. And I'm going to start
with his coffee order in the morning, and apparently every morning he gets a
venti Starbucks coffee, which is thehuge one with two shots of espresso,
and then he gets another eight hundredand twenty milligrams of caffeine, which is
a normal cup of coffee is ninetyfive. So he starts his day with

(01:13:14):
essentially like nine cups of coffee,which is already heart you know, heart
attack inducing. And there when hetalked about it, by the way,
he also had a quote where it'slike because he also gets uh some some
tobacco like long cut or whatever,and he's like, same thing with my
tobacco and coffee. I want totaste it. I want it black.

(01:13:34):
I don't want flavor, I wantnone of that. I want to taste
it. Which is great. Butanother one that you may not have heard,
Jake, he gets two He eatstwo to three pints of gelato every
single night. Every single night.He shares it with his little dogs,
and his favorite flavor is salted carboltruffle obviously, but he watches it while

(01:13:57):
he eats it while he watches film. So he's arts his day with too
much caffeine. And then he eatsthree pints of fucking ice cream every night,
which is insane. This guy isan He's an animal, to be
honest. That shit, God,skinny people make me so mad. That's
where like it's like I eat,I scream every day, me too,

(01:14:21):
motherfucker, but I don't get rewardedfor it. You know, Like that's
crazy. I know he works outlike a demon, but yeah, that's
a side note. By the wayhe keeps his cough. He keeps his
house, as he calls it,meat locker cold, and he forced he

(01:14:44):
forces essentially his wife to sleep withsweatpants on because it's so cold. So
just think of him just chowing downice cream and I feel like his body's
shivering all night, which is whyhe burns all the calories off. That's
gotta be it. It's gotta beit. And also, like the caffeine
is just like insane. It's notdoing anything for you at that point.

(01:15:08):
It's like when my dad used totell people he drank three pots a day
and They're like, aren't you buzzing? And it's like no, he's dead
inside. Yeah, it doesn't doanything for him. He's addicted, like
he just has to have that amountnow or he twitches and I can you
imagine Dan Campbell Moore twitchy, Hewould be so cranky without caffeine, just

(01:15:30):
an ordinery, Dan Campbell would befun experience. Yeah. Uh is he
even ever ornery? Or is hejust furious? Like he seems like one
where it's just like straight. Ifeel he's like Toddler temper tantrum where he
doesn't want to talk to anybody.I feel like he'd be very quiet.
Yeah, howdy, one hundred percent, or like he's the football coach,

(01:15:54):
he's like, oh that's what yougot for me today? Like he's like
disappointed, Dan, what do youwant to do at practice today? I
don't care, man, do whateveryou want. I don't care, Dan,
some wrung no no no, Imean why you ask me now?
Like you should have asked me before? Oh now you care? Now you
care? You didn't care what Iwanted my coffee this morning? Like there
it is, okay, one specialone hundred one special teams guy phones it

(01:16:18):
in. He goes, we're allwalking today, huh, no one,
No one's choking huh. And theneveryone takes laps and someone brings him coffee.
He would also be sobbing, becausethat's also his thing. Yeah,
I guess we want to lose manbecause we don't fucking care. I guess
I'm the only one who cares.Huh. It's just me, God damn

(01:16:42):
bunch, just me bulls Yeah,the only two. Me and Jared.
Uh yeah. Always he never blamesGough, GoF. You don't got to
run your friend. No, Pennygoes about today, I can't tell you
what to do. And Skipper heloves Skipper. He loves Skipper. Zach,

(01:17:04):
I've got three things. I gotone last thing. Oh, one
last thing. So Dan Campbell,in case he didn't know, Jake,
he loves to bake. He lovesbaking, which kind of surprising, kind
of not so Apparently he went throughtwenty different oatmeal chocolate chip cookie recipes before
he found the right one. Hejust kept making them furiously over and over.

(01:17:26):
He's been searching for the perfect flowertortilla recipe. He's evident adamant on
using lard and not shortening, andthen Apparently he likes to make brownies,
but if the pain of brownies hemakes is not perfect, he'll throw it
away and make another one. That'sthe surprising thing I've ever heard. Yeah,
rock the trash, Yeah, Iget the three am. Just chowed

(01:17:51):
down on ice cream. Just triedto make brownies because it's Paday's birthday tomorrow.
He's like, I can't get afucking right. Man. God,
he is ted lassou that's crazy.That is oh my god. Yeah with
the shortcake. Absolutely you well youknow who he is. He's Roy Kent
Post. He's already had a tadin his life. So now Roy's taking

(01:18:13):
up baking, but he can't getit right, so he's angrily throwing it
out. Uh, you know youlike baking too much. When you're like,
I need to get the perfect tortillarecipe, go shopping, dude,
I borderline. I've been meaning tosay this to you for years, sach.
No one needs to know how tobake bread. I don't know if
this is controversial, but it's there, dude, and it's got wonder in
the title. They've already sliced itfor me. That's true. Soft that

(01:18:39):
in Quick Trip bread a dollar.Great, Yeah, one hundred sarto is
alive. We're messing with it.Why just go buy it, dude,
they already killed it for me.It's like I don't need to cook a
lobster, you know, I don'tknow. Bred's always been crazy to me
that people are like, I needto make bread. That's the last thing
I need to make, and itis too many Like and I'm this is

(01:19:00):
coming from a household that just madesour dot bread. Yeah, you like
it. This is the tag absolutelyon offense. Yeah, for sure,
for sure. But like, truthfully, it's a fifty to fifty if it's
better, yeah, it's not.It's not. It's not cheaper, no
way, more time consuming, it'smessy, like for sure. It's not

(01:19:23):
like it's a habit. It's usuallyand I don't think I do it.
But for the people who get intolike the artists and bread shit, it's
a hobby that you have that youcan tell people that you do. That's
it, and your bread will befine, It'll be absolutely fine. Well
you'll bring it to people, bythe way, it's gonna be a little

(01:19:45):
too chewy, but they're not gonnatell you about it. I just hope
you know absolutely, because guess what, bakers, you've never brought anyone your
shittiest piece of bread, have you? No? Like, I know every
like every loaf that went well,there's four the dit like. I don't
bake a lot. But when Imake fudge, it was first try and
you'll say, not bad fudge,one hundred guaranteed. I couldn't screw it

(01:20:10):
up if I wanted to. Yeah, that's true, you're completely right about
that. Yeah, tortillas, that'sback to that Dan Campbell tortillas. That's
where we're gonna They've perfected it forsure. Yeah, there's a lot of
them. There's a lot of themeverywhere. We have a lot of underpaid
Mexican workers already doing that. Dad, We don't. You don't need to
do that. You know, nonDetroit, famously, they've never made it.

(01:20:36):
There not a lot of microworkers there, No, dude, Well,
maybe he needs a tortilla. Idon't know what the Mexican food situation is
in Detroit. Maybe he needs one. But Dan, go to Whole Foods.
Yeah, anyway, find a quicktrip. They got him. You
can get a pack of sixty atAldie. That's true. That is you

(01:20:58):
can get delivered. By the way, haven't met Starbucks where you go anyway?
It's so funny. I love thathe's so into baking. And another
check mark for you why you likehim so much? So another win for
he's like Dan Campbell for as alphamale as he is, and it's not
a facade. It's very true.He's also very just like he likes to

(01:21:21):
bake. He really likes baking.He loves to go to Starbucks every day.
There's little things where it's like endearing. Well, I hope I'm so
wrong on this. Never has therebeen more outwardly emotional male who probably thinks
it's the worst thing you could doto cry, Like just because he cries,

(01:21:42):
He's like, it's my worst trait, fucking rip my eyes out.
I never should again. He's gotthat vibe. I hope he's a beacon
of positive mental health and masculinity.Who knows. Uh. By the way,
let's get the man a cooking check. That's what I need off season
cooking, just having a local DetroitTV that would be incredible, Dan,

(01:22:06):
this is your invite. You andDan bacon bread. Oh my god,
let's make a head. That's theone thing I feel like if someone asked
him to do that, you'd beso excited, like you should reach out
to be the first steal that idea. By the way, if he says
no, we're gonna do it withbloody Dan instead. But he's gonna pretend

(01:22:28):
to be Dan Campbell, study itright. We won't let him know.
We'll give him a working sheet aboutfacts about Dan Campbell and he'll develop the
character himself. He'll be right.One of my favorite clips from The Daily
Show when he was supposed to JohnStewart was supposed to interview Al Sharpton.
Al Sharpton didn't show up, sothey had Stephen Colbert answers if he was
Al Sharpton. Yeah, Yeah,Yeah, that's what we should do it.

(01:22:51):
Dan. We should let's end theshow on your three things. This
is how you know it's a goodtop three. My honorable mention Zach.
The NHL bans and then unfans allstick tape and logos and otherwise affiliated things

(01:23:12):
within a month of each other thisoffseason. That was insane. I completely
forgot about that. Yeah, absolutely, in the wake of last year telling
everyone that they had to be inclusiveand the gay rights mattered everyone in the
NHL. Not everyone. Some peoplebeing like no, and they're like,
you're right, no one can doanything. And then people going what about
breast cancer and they're like, shit, it's back. Yeah, so that

(01:23:38):
was a flip. That's just anhonorable mention. So that's where we're going.
But that is a story people shouldfor sure look up. Yes,
Yeah, incredible story, all right. Number two Zach Draymond Green stops the
guy in the chest and is seeminglysuspended on site. Yeah, quite the

(01:23:58):
year for Draymond that he snuck anotherone in at the end. Absolutely,
that is my favorite because the wholehubbabluu of people being like silver was there,
Like it's like that was the funniestpart of that. It's like,
it's like, what are we doing? It's such an immediate punishment. He
Okay, Now, I was gonnasay, did he punch Jordan Poole in

(01:24:19):
twenty twenty three as well? Thathad to be twenty twenty two, right,
it was, Yeah, it wastwenty twenty two because it was uh
last October. Yeah, two October'sago. So what a year though for
Dramond. He he was on one. Someone should ask him if he's okay.

(01:24:40):
I don't know, but that onewe had to see another like did
he do it all purpose? Andeveryone being like he wouldn't have been punished
if if silver wasn't there. Youmean, yeah, I think he would
have been. Yeah, it's it'sthe guy's fall for leg on the ground.
Yeah, that's stands that slash thebeam. No one should forget the
beam with the kings that's right bythe way. That still creeps me out.

(01:25:03):
I don't like it. It's Tomget good one the same page.
Yo, I'm out on it.It's a little offsetting to me. I
don't know. It's not cool.It's it's lame and it's bad, and
we're calling in something I don't know. I don't like it. Turn it
off a hundred percent. The aliensgot here, who were like, we
saw a giant purple beam and we'relike, fucking Sacramento. Yeh. The

(01:25:27):
motherfucking Kigs. They get good forone season. That beam also terrible chant,
terrible, terrible chant. So it'snot cool when it goes up.
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Number two, zach Uh. The
combination of the Oakland Athletics hold areverse boycott and field, the stands and

(01:25:50):
everyone waits six innings and then startschanting sell the team. A beautiful,
majestic moment, capped off by inthe middle of the game them announcing that
the stadium had been approved in LasVegas, and then the Commissioner of Baseball
coming out afterwards and saying, happyto see that the people of Oakland could

(01:26:10):
get the attendance of an average dayfor most of our ball clubs. So
what a slap in the face.So like this big a rogue shit on
just like twice. Yeah, theMLB commission response is crazy. People like
kind of skipped over that. Thatwas nuts. I'm like, oh you

(01:26:32):
should that no to a baseball game, Like it's like, oh, come
on, man, it's a movie. Is just a stupid It's an insane
situation. Yeah, And that wasin like this big Oakland's year in general,
Like if they win seven games ina row, they might be the
worst team ever. They then giveup a perfect game to a guy who's

(01:26:54):
no longer in baseball because he washitting people and drinking alcohol. Uh,
is a wild There are in alot of movies from this year, and
one of them is that one.Like that's it's a weird time, but
it's just one no one is talkingabout anymore because it's like done. Now
we have to watch them play ballin Oakland for another year for no reason.

(01:27:15):
Yeah, and we get to shiton them more when they don't go
to the game, right, ofcourse, what a bad fan base.
They don't deserve a team. Yeah, we're definitely not giving them another one.
So that's crazy. Number one witha bullet Do you have any idea
what it is? Zach? Thenumber one story from twenty twenty three?
People are not talking about enough.I honestly have no idea. All right,

(01:27:40):
we talked about on the show,and it concerns college basketball. College
basketball. I mean, so Beheimdidn't kill guy this year, not this
year, but an equally suspecting coach, Zach, that's right. Just yet

(01:28:00):
for our boy Huggins, we gothe yeah, yeah, no one is
talking about that. No one's talkingabout it. He resigned and then said,
no, I did the best issay all year, I'd like had
that moment. This week grows like, motherfucker? Did that ever get resolved?
I mean, they're playing basketball nowand he's not coaching. He's the

(01:28:24):
head coach though, he didn't signthat himself. He is the head coach.
He's I only know one king,the King and the North. This
coach is Huggins. It is crazyfor a reminder of that story. This
is a story where he fired alawyer, said I didn't do that,
my lawyer did. And then whenthat did work, he also said,

(01:28:47):
no, no, no, itwasn't my email. It was my wife's
email checks out to me, Heysend it to his email, and and
know took away his email address fromthe school. That's on you, after
also saying in person, just awesome. You can't prove it was me.

(01:29:11):
I mean no, I'm back onhome. Fucking thing that's gonna say.
Like as I said a lot ofthings, they just got taken out of
context. So I mean he isfined. He's the coach. See you
in March, Huggy, see inMarch. Absolutely well. And also the
part really nobody remembers. If you'vegot the stomach for it, go look

(01:29:34):
up what got him canned. Gogo look up that tape with those slurs,
because that is nuts speakcause the factthat someone did that, I didn't.
They didn't get him canned. Ohyou're right, it was the d
u I yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go look up what didn't
get him fired? It was theyoung I had it flipped in my head.
I was like, what should havegone fired? Now backwards that one.
They were like gold Star, here'sa race. Think he did get

(01:30:00):
fired. I think that's the issue. I think he has. He resigned
because in his contract he couldn't getanother duy, which, honest not in
his control. He's not the onlyissue with issues the duys. He was
not fired, but he was not. I don't think it was voluntary.
I think it's a breach of contractor something absolutely so correct. But his

(01:30:26):
contract was terminated. He did well, did he? I don't know he
resides exactly, didn't reside? Whoknow what happened. It's the best story
from this year. There's no doubtand people aren't talking about it. No,
let's get somebody in Morgantown. Weneed to get to the bottom of
this. We need to interview somepeople, need to talk to Huggins himself.
Let's verify that it's him, andthen we could hear from the mad

(01:30:49):
himself, censor him if we haveto. But I'd like some answers because
I'd like to see him back onthe sideline. Well, one more funny
thing for the people. You knowwhat made me think of this news story
this week? I'm watching this thingon Netflix called Pepsi Where's My Jet?
Okay, I've seen it on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
about for folks who don't know.It is about the Pepsi points scandal from

(01:31:12):
the nineties where they have this catalogand in an advertisement they said there was
a jet for seven million points andone guy was like, bet give me
a jet. And I'm in themiddle of watching that right now, and
it made me think, of God, why don't people have contracts? Hoggins,
Like I was like the lawyers inthat must have felt like the lawyers
at West Virginia of like what ishe? No, no, like it's

(01:31:38):
just going insane, of like Iwill not I will not negotiate with you.
This is crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. That
is It's been oddly quiet. Theyhad to pay the money. I don't
know, we need to get tothe bottom of it. Pay a money
or it was just ridiculous. Idon't know. It was all hinging on.

(01:31:59):
My lawyer didn't speak for me,says my lawyer that it's all nuts.
But that was the story where Iwas like, yeah, it's not
even resolved. I don't know whathappened with it. No, no,
we'll I'll look up some stuff,we'll get to the bottom. We'll report
about it next week. That'll bethe biggest story coaching scandal everyone was talking

(01:32:21):
about this week. That's right,Yeah, yeah, should be. Maybe
not, maybe it's not what theyare talking about, but next week they
will. Huggins to Seattle, h

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