Skip Bayless Offered Us 2 Million! (Ep. 203)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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just shining. Hello, Hello, Welcome to black Monday in the
NFL and for Fox Sports. What a what a weekend
all around a lot of chaotic stuff going on. We
are the Flurry Sports podcast. We're here on a Monday morning.
If you're listening to this at the normal time, just

(00:44):
the podcast we just know Monday vibes, early morning vibes.
Is this is this the first podcast we've ever done
in the morning? Yeah, I think so interesting? This is
this is gonna be an interesting one, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah. It's the only time I ever did playing catch
up with Dad was in morning podcasts, and that felt
that way. But baseball felt like a morning thing because
it's like we got to get out there before more
news breaks it at noon, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I mean that's kind of what it feels like today though.
I mean, we've got coaching firings, we got people sleeping
their way to the top at Fox Sports in the
least surprising fashion possible.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
I can't wait possible, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Right right. I can't wait for the ESPN version to
come out. That's gonna be great. Obviously, some what's Dan
Orlovsky doing to get all of these shows? That's what
we need to figure out.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
This is all speculation. I need to put this out there.
We haven't even got a scandal yet. If an ESPN
scandal comes out and the word Sage steel or not
in it, I'll give you fifty bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, that's very true. Uh, it's going
to be interesting. And by the way, all of this
new all this comes out again, also speculation here, all
this news comes out, we're looking at Oh, who's the
ESPN person that's gonna come out? Interesting that Rex Ryan's
dipping his feet back into the coaching pool. Huh. Rex

(02:12):
Ryan notably loves feet. There is a sexual deviate of
esp had Rex Ryan all of a sudden, He's like,
I need to get out of here before she hits
the fad.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
We shall see, We shall see, but we are going
to For those who haven't been introduced to this Fox
Sports lawsuit, I think a lot of people read the
memes online very funny stuff, and there's a lot of
people who may have not heard it about it at all.
I said this to Jake before the show. I truly
don't know how how big this has gotten online, just

(02:48):
because I think everyone was truly tuned into football, to
be completely honest, So there's people who fully miss this,
I think. And then I mean people digest their news
from sports shows in sports like TV shows aren't going
to be talking about this, I imagine, right.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I think, so, I think they're gonna wait to cover it.
I think, uh, I'm going to kind of talk about
it today. I'm under the assumption people don't know about it.
I think that's I don't think so. No. I think
if you're in online you may have seen something come up,
like if you're really plugged in. But I think the
mix of when it's breaking over a very like packed

(03:28):
football weekend, when I'm googling, like who's in.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
You know, like what does this weed?

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Proceeding to sneak a one an allegation in there, but
two this very much stems around skip ay list, which
we'll get into who no longer works for the company.
So I think there's gonna be some separation of like
like we're talking about as the Fox Sports scandal, which
I think it could turn into. But I think there

(03:55):
may be some time in separation. Is it's like, well,
we don't have to talk about it immediate immediately because
Skip's not there anymore.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, he's not the biggest issue in the story, which
he's certainly a contributing factor. The way I was introduced
to the story again, I didn't get like a notification
from like a sports app or anything saying, hey, this
thing happened. I saw two things on Twitter. I saw
one someone tweeting a jiff of something and be like, oh,

(04:25):
Joey Taylor is definitely like getting it from everybody everywhere
at Fox Sports. And then the other thing was Joy
Taylor slept with like like out of everybody, which tells
me the algorithm is really built for me, because boy,
I hate once I found out he's in this story.
Don't of a bitch, And we need more at this

(04:47):
story at some point for anyone who's let me take
the stand or let me grill the people on the stand.
I need to talk about Acho. But is there anything
else you'd like to say before we introduce this, And
we're just gonna walk through the actual lawsuit, which is
also a first year at Floury Sports. We're doing We're
doing legal shit today, which behind the scenes, Jake and

(05:10):
I've been ued for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Now, yeah, we're getting legal over here and to start
the year. Uh, just welcome to the show. I think
if as folks join, we're gonna cover the big things today,
so I know we're this is what we do, which
is we start with the things that were like why
is' anyone talking about this? But I promise we've got
some stuff coming with coaches and those changes and teams

(05:36):
that are locked into draft spots and teams who are
in the playoffs. We're gonna cover all that good stuff.
The only other context I'm gonna give just to not
robut something you're saying, but to give context, I agree
with you. So as folks listen, listen to all the
names involved and maybe give some context to everyone not
named Skip Bayless. But I just did a quick Google
search all the articles and there's a lot breaking today,

(05:57):
So maybe this will get bigger as we talk about
it is this is one title from CBS News, but
they're all worded the same, which is former Fox Sports
host Skip Bayless harassed hairstylist and offered her one and
a half million dollars for sex lawsuit less so big
a story, no, agreed. I'm with you, Like there's other
pieces that I want folks to tune into more so

(06:18):
listen to all the nuances here today. But I do
want to give credit where its due.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Do.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think this is going to be a Skip Bayless
story and if folks read into it more, they will.
But I have a feeling that it benefits Fox to
paint it that way as well.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, he's gone, yeah, so yeah, and so are all
the problems nothing here?

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yes, yeah, ebstinctly foundation. So let's hear about it, Zach,
walk us through it.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Okay, So let's jump into this. Can you see this
fine from your end? Yeah, Jake, okay, So okay. So
just to introduce this story, miss Faraji, that's this is
going to be the hairdresser. I'm just gonna call her
the hairdresser just in case I'm pronouncing your name wrong.
Bringing forth this because she worked at Fox for over

(07:08):
a decade, endured misogynistic, racist, ablest workplace where executives and
talent were allowed to abuse their workers allegedly. Allegedly this
is all alleged. Some of this, by the way, this
whole thing. There's some like cartoon villains, and then she
seems like everyone here seems so exaggerated. I can't tell

(07:30):
what's fully true, but we shall. And her biggest thing
on this lawsuit, I think, to be honest, yes, the
biggest stories about racism, sleeping your way to the top,
offering money uh to have sex, uh, sexual batteries in
this as well. However, the majority of this lawsuit is

(07:52):
actually actually like a class action on behalf of the
employees for uh this stuff, failing to play pay overtime wages,
minimum wages, YadA, YadA, YadA. So the interesting stuff, the
fun stuff to talk about in terms of getting clicks
and stuff, isn't the biggest part of this lawsuit, to
be completely honest, we don't need to talk about that stuff.

(08:13):
It's just like they're not paying people wages. They are
slowly taking away people's hours so they can systematically fire
them all. That is not legal, and that is something
that supposedly Fox is doing, so that is interesting. So
the main parties here of this lawsuit. Fragi again is
a hairdresser who worked for Fox up until pretty recently

(08:39):
since Skip Bayless's departure. The ironically enough, Fox, YadA YadA,
Charlie Dixon. He's going to be referred to as mister
Dixon in this. He's the executive vice president of Content
at FS one, so basically, he's in charge of the shows.
He's in charge of who's on the shows and stuff
like that. Skip Bayless, you know him, You'll love him

(09:03):
for skipping Shannon for his take. Everybody knows who Skip
Bayless's and it's hard to separate Skip from the TV Skip.
And as we're reading this, I'm not sure if there
is a separation. So we shall see. Joy Taylor big, big, big, big,
big part of this lawsuit. So she's a host at Fox.

(09:23):
We'll find out why she is a host at Fox
pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Co host of Undisputed along with Skip and formally Shannon
Sharp uh also part of this.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, yes, yeah, Shannon Shannon is this a little bit
as well? Not a lot? He's no wrongdoing on Shannon's part.
It seems like no, okay, I.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Do think Shannon's gonna be the one that blows this
up because.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
He should have.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Live last night with Oho for his nightly show, and
I was just hoping he would say something, but he
did not, Yeah to my knowledge. Okay, yea, here we go.
Factual background number one. When she was hired to work
at Fox, she started in two thousand and three. YadA, YadA, YadA.
She's been doing hair, she's doing makeup. She did it
on a part time basis in twenty twelve, she did

(10:16):
stuff for some people. Not very needed for this, just no.
This all started her relationship with Fox in two thousand
and three, and it continued in full time. Right. She
became full time in twenty sixteen. Okay, mister Dixon gives,
so the executive gives Joy Taylor undisputed as a reward

(10:38):
for having sex with them. Nice headline, great headline. March
twenty sixteen, the hairdresser met with Joy Taylor, who recently
moved from Miami to LA for this opportunity with Fox.
She would be filling in when tailent' was sick, so
she didn't have like a full time job yet there

(11:00):
told the hairdresser she was recently wed, but her husband
remained in Miami, so she was lonely in La. Interesting
thing to say. Joey Taylor then befriended the hairdresser. May sixteen,
Joy Taylor asked the hairdresser to meet for a drink,
and when the hairdresser arrived, Joey Taylor was with an

(11:21):
older man who the hairdresser did not know at that point,
but it was mister Dixon, the vice president of content.
When mister Dixon went to buy them another round of
spicy Margarita's, again this seems like a cartoon. The hairdresser
asked who he was. Joey Taylor said, just a friend.

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Following that night, whenever Joy Taylor and the hairdresser would meet,
mister Dixon would arrive with her or leave with her,
and she suspected the pair were sleeping together, and she
was concerned because joe Taylor was recently married. Twenty sixteen,
the hairdresser noticed the mister Dixon at work in the

(12:07):
elevator and she's like, oh my god, this is the
guy who always buys us drinks in the elevator. He's
here again, very clearless, very cartoonish, not sure. Joey Taylor
quickly silenced her, explaining who he was. Hairdresser was alarmed
and warned Joy Taylor that the relationship would be unsafe.

(12:29):
July twenty sixteen, words spread that there was going to
be a new shell. It's going to be a very
big deal, and they needed someone with significant TV experience
to star alongside Skip and Shandon. Sharpness became undisputed, obviously,
and it was a surprise that Fox decided to go
Joy Taylor, who was a bartender, very little TV experience.

(12:52):
Apparently Skip Baylist did not want Joy Taylor on the SHEW,
but mister Dixon was adamant that she would star, and
then he arranged it for Skip and Joy, where Joy
was being a slut, acting very sluty, provocative, trying to
seduce mister Bayliss, supposedly, and he still didn't really want her. Reluctantly,

(13:12):
Skip agreed to do a favor for mister Dixon. Apparently
twenty sixteen, there was a dinner between the hairdresser with
Joey Taylor and her husband and then mister Dixon and
his wife, and then apparently Joy Taylor's husband found out
or felt like, oh there's something weird sexual happening here,
found out that there were actually things going on, and

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then they divorced. So that was August twenty sixteen pretty
quick there, so they were barely married essentially, and then
at this point then immediately after that, Joy Taylor requested
that the hairdresser would do her hair at Fox, and
Skip Bayless also requested her to do his hair. So

(14:00):
that's the setup of everything. Okay, Yeah, any questions, any
thoughts then at this.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Point, the only thing I'll clarify is just which is good.
We've had a lot of folks join us as you
started giving that, so I'm just gonna repeat some of
the key things for folks as you join. And we're
talking about the Fox Sports scandal today, so you can
give that at Google. But Zach's just introducing us so
far to the background context of Faraji, Miss Faraji, who's
the complainant in the case. We're gonna refer to her

(14:28):
as the hairdresser, just to make sure we're pronouncing everything correctly.
But I think those are the big pieces. I think
the timeline as you set it up is important because
not it's hard to talk about anything legal like this.
It doesn't sound like we're either endorsing or undermining a
certain person's case. But right now I'm just trying to

(14:49):
figure it all out. So I would also underline that,
like as we get into the other allegations that you're
about to read into this timeline is important because you
nailed it at the start. This coming out now because
a group of folks were terminated because Skip doesn't have
his show anymore, right, and you know, some of the

(15:10):
big allegations, including the big payment, happened years ago, and
so that timing is important to recognize because it seems systemic.
It also seems that this is all highlighted by it's
coming to light because the you know, the show's not continuing.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Correct, correct, Yeah, a Skip bad guy in this. Skip
also kept people's jobs at the same time. So yeah, yeah,
that's none more than moral good. But yeah, I agree, Yeah, yeah,
Skip's never really been a moral good to be fair,
but yeah, including in here. Okay, So now we're going
to January twenty seventeen, Mister Dixon gropes the hairdresser after

(15:55):
putting her on undisputed to do Joy Taylor's hair. So
Joey Taylor had her birthday part party. A hairdresser and
other employees were invited, and mister Dixon, as usual, it says,
was heavily drinking, buying drinks for everybody on Fox's card,
blustering that everything purchased was on Fox's dime. So again
as cartoonish as possible. This guy's just an asshole, drunk weirdo. Yeah.

(16:19):
So she was standing near the bar. She's gonna go
get a drink, or she had a drink. Mister Dixon
comes up, his arm around her lower back, asked how
she was doing, if she was having fun, if she
wanted a tequila shot. She was uncomfortable, said no, thank you.
He put his hand lower started rubbing her body and
her ass, and then she was mortified, thought quickly and

(16:41):
faced an incoming call to escape the situation. I guess
she didn't know what to do. She went to talk
to Joy Taylor because she knew she was sleeping with him,
so she thought she'd be on her side somehow. And
then Joy Taylor said to get over it, explaining that
she only had a job because of mister Dixon, and
then thus the hairdresser only had a job because of Joy.
So that's essentially this situation, just saying, hey, get over it.

(17:06):
You just have to deal with it. He can do
what he wants. Essentially. Seven years later, in twenty twenty three,
miss Parretti, which is the first time she's mentioned in
this it seems like she has some sort of authority
at Fox in terms of she doesn't. She doesn't. I
think she's in an authority position, but she doesn't actually
have any powers. What it feels like she did not

(17:30):
like the hairdresser at all, and that's been her default
through this entire thing. She just is a bad person
and doesn't like the hairdresser. Per the lawsuit, That's all
you need to know about this part in my opinion. Okay,
mister Dixon gets rid of a female talent for refusing
to have sex with him. So, several years into the

(17:51):
hairdresser's ten year at Fox, a female talent member who's
anonymous was hired or hired the hairdresser to do her hair.
She said she would no longer be at Fox because
mister Dixon said she would need to have sex with
them in order to renew the contract. She refused, and

(18:12):
then the anonymous person conveyed that mister Dixon was doing
this to other people there as well, should warn Joey
Taylor to be careful, and another host recently reported, mister Dixon,
we do not know who that is. Also, by the way,
Marcellus Wiley's going to be talking about a bunch of
this stuff too. Yeah, I imagine he's going to have

(18:33):
some insight wondering where his role plays in this. It'll
be interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
So following the lunch, then the hairdresser calls Joy said
exactly what the anonymous person said. Joy Taylor said, No
one gives a fuck about that person or the person
who talked about mister Dixon. So Joy Taylor's re mark
appear at accurate as no actions were taken. Nice, that's
all that is. Now we go to Skip. Skip has

(19:03):
joined the story. Skip begins to give the hairdresser lingering
hugs and kisses on the cheek while putting his body
against hers and pressing on her breast. Oh Skip, okay.
So after reporting by after the talk show hosts reporting
of mister Dixon fell in deaf years, mister Baylis began

(19:23):
requesting that the hairdresser would give him a haircut once
a week. So, yeah, that's her job, so she did
it essentially. However, as the haircuts began, Skip began finding
excuses to touch her. He would give her lingering hugs
with each haircut, putting his body against your own, touching
her breast. He then began to kiss her on the cheek.

(19:45):
She was uncomfortable with the physical contact and would make
excuses to leave right after the haircuts, with excuses such as,
I need to pick up my son from school. Here's
my question. Is he getting haircuts at night?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I think because haircuts are whenever he did he w.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
But like he's he's only on in the mornings once
he be getting haircuts before he goes on.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I so I'm really reading into this in the answer
to this, But I do think it's interesting because one
of the allegations is failure to pay overtime. So I
think part of this is an allegation that basically Skip
is forcing her to spend more time with him.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I don't think so. I think the overtime thing, as
it is outlined, I don't think has anything to do
with her. It's a class action for other employees.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Other folks as well. Okay, but yeah, one way or another,
it sounds like he's getting night haircuts, which.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Or she's terrible at excuses, and that should be brought
up as well, because if it's like that, she's like, ah,
I need to get my son. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Red flag, red flag, Why someone let me know, would
you get a haircut at night? Because that doesn't I think.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
But they also work at the buck Crack at dawn.
That's part of this, right, Like they're a morning show,
so you get your haircuts at different times. I guess.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I guess. Okay, so this is this is this is
how I know it's part of this is for sure real.
So in twenty seventeen, the hairdresser was giving Skip a haircut.
He said that she was voluptuous and she's an English
is not her first language, so she didn't know what
that meant. When she asked Skip what it meant, he

(21:23):
seemed amused and told her to figure it out, which
is okay. This happened for sure that Skip.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
She asked another coworker and was mortified when she found out. Essentially,
she was terrified. Turned to her coworker to discuss the situation.
They decided that because Skip was powerful in Fox protected
powerful people, that she shouldn't do anything. Essentially, she is
a single mother who relied on the job to support
her son. She felt she had no choice but to

(21:52):
keep getting, you know, doing stuff for Skip. YadA YadA YadA.
This is bad, but on not that important to the case.
She had her hours she went on medical leave because
she heard her back. When she was gone, they had
to give somebody else hours when she came back. They
couldn't just fire the person they gave hours, so she
had less hours. That's how I take that part correct.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
The only thing I'll add to that section, and maybe
we can use that to funnel in a couple other
sections that are kind of like that. I would also
say a big basis of the case is she's alleging
that her and others in the case brought several of
this up to HR, and it's just another example of
a thing she's alleging HR didn't do anything about. So

(22:34):
I think it's helpful to the case as someone trying
to illustrate a defunct HR department. This is like another
example of like HR falling through.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
HR is bad. In this they definitely just ignored whatever
she had to say. This part also her the biggest
thing in her case, truly. I think again it's the
hour stuff that's the biggest part of the case. Was
not the exciting part of the case. So her biggest
thing is she talks about how they systematically fire people,

(23:07):
but they deemed to be an issue or a threat
or whatever. But they do that because by like limiting
their hours to the point where they become useless, and
then they can justify the firing. So saying that her
hours were cut is the start of that systematic firing
from her point of view, where it's like, Okay, they're
just reducing how important she is there until they can say, hey,

(23:30):
you're not important. You're fired not for saying, hey, you
know too much information. That's why you're fired.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
So yeah, correct, correct, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Okay, So now again this Misperretti yelled at or made
fun of her, bullied her. She's just a cartoon villain. Now,
a hairdresser remains on Undisputed to do stuff for Joy
and Skip, but she's also asked to join the Herd
my nemesis. So summer twenty eighteen, sorry that you're right,

(24:05):
it's true. This is the part of the case appissed
to be off. I'm not gonna lie, okay. So uh
twenty eighteen, Joy moved from Undisputed to the Herd with
Colin Coward, So then the hairdresser was asked to do
a hair for Coward as well. So shoot Bayliss's hair
do Joy's hair, do Colin Coward's hair, and then this

(24:29):
is the part is bullshit. So throughout the entire tenure,
Colin Coward was professional and respectful to the hairdresser and
co workers. There's nothing bad to say about him. Okay,
there's nothing bad to say. There's also another part, this
fucking lawsuit word says during the her entire tenure, there

(24:49):
is no wrongdoing by Colin Coward at Fox. That's not true.
He does wrongdoing every day, maybe not in this case,
but we need to frame it.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, it does. I did read that and it goes.
It hit me like when Maybe it's because I work
with this all the time in my real life job,
where it's like I'm helping people report things and it
has the vibe of like someone else is involved, and
it's like Colin's reading over his shoulders, like can you
make sure that this is I just wanted to be
clear I'm here put in there.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
That I didn't mean the Ben Simmons. It's better than
lebron thing. You say it was all a joke.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah. True. Hey, By the way, that hit the stream
at the same time as this scandal that's blowing up.
Coincidence yeah, who does, but I did. It was interesting
how much he emphasized that about Cowhart.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
But yeah, whatever, So this is Colin Coward's introduction and
end in this lawsuit. Apparently he's a great guy. Fole. Okay,
now this guy is a great guy, legally a great guy.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
This next guy is the worst person.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
This dude's the worst our boy, Bobby da allegedly terrible dude.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
This is insane. So twenty nineteen Bobby Diaz, who is
just the person who puts the microphone on people.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
She mocked.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
He mocked the hairdresser for how she pronounced English words
and sexualized the way she was eating fruit. She just
didn't respond essentially, and then that evil lady came and
yelled at her. Didn't do anything. Okay, so do there's
information that this microphone guy openly gropes, harasses, and is

(26:35):
inappropriate with women at Fox. He has not been fired
because of his role in supplying cocaine to Fox employees.
And even after which we need to talk about this more.
He had an incident where he removed his pants on
live cameray. This is a known thing, Like, let's talk

(26:57):
about that a little more. Open this up. So he
just gives people cocaine, He took his pants off, he
touches people, but he's cool. And then now so then,
after the lawsuit was known, various employees told Diaz and
he mocked the situation. He said that the hairdresser was stupid,

(27:19):
very childish. He said he didn't care. He said, who
gives a shit, boasted that he would never be fired.
Guess what, I think that might be the most replaceable
person here. I think he's gone. This guy can't be
he can't be that safe.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Uh yeah, also accused in here of one of several
people who mocks uh. The plaintiff Faraji for her english,
also sexualizing the way she ate fruit yep yep. I
said that I know I wanted to we need to
talk about it.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
This guy is just a childhood but he's a high
school bully.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
He's a high school bully and he's a real life criminal.
It's crazy. He does all the bad things. I wanted
to circle back to the fruit thing only because there's
something too like if you do that, you're a terrible person,
Like we need to highlight that red flag more. If
you sexualize the way I eat anything, get away from me.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
It's just weird.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
I can't eat a banana in your presence.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Fuck you. This is the guy who's going to get
fired from Fox. In order to soothe the solver, like, yeah,
problem eliminated him.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
He is gone.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Oh god, I wish, I wish because Skip is gone,
so that problems out the door. Joy's gonna stay because
Joy is Joy. And then this guy who just takes
his pants off and gives people cocaine. We can find
another person to do that, so he is going to
be fired immediately.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
By the way. Rooting for that that Yeah, if that
is true, I hope it's true. Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Joy again uses their sexuality to get onto a show.
So in February twenty twenty, met the hairdresser for lunch.
When she arrived, she was with another man, this time
a Manuel Acho. Fuck yeah, Acho has joined the party.
So hairdresser did not know who Acho was, but could
tell the two were romantically involved. Here's another thing. She's

(29:19):
been there for what at this point, like fifteen years,
she doesn't know anybody. Every time she sees a new
person or someone who's been there, she's clueless at who
this person is. She knows all the talent, but has
no idea who Acho is. She knows all the talent,
has no idea who's in charge of the talent at
some point, like I don't know. She's not this clueless.

(29:42):
There's no shot. That's all I'll say about that. A
few months after meeting Ocho at lunch, hairdresser noticed him
in the hallway asked Joy if Accho also worked at Fox,
which he was at Fox, good job connecting. The two confirmed,
and said that she wanted Ocho to eventually recommend her

(30:04):
for the show Speak for Yourself. The hairdresser was alarmed,
said that Joy shouldn't sleep with Thumb because she's sleeping
with mister Dixon already, and then Joy said not to
worry about it. She explained, Joy is also not powerful.
Once mister Dixon is no longer useful, She's going to
follow through on her plane to tell the company that

(30:24):
he forced himself on her. She would not allow herself
to be forced out like mister Dixon did to other talent,
So she is going to try to use Ocho for
another thing. And then she had a nefarious plan to
get the other executive kicked.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Supposedly, Apparently, Joy Taylor's is evil genius?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Well yes, and it's also showing in your one not
that you aren't saying this, but I'm gonna just take
a moment to highlight it here. This Dixon guy, if
these allegations are true, the actual one of the actual,
like Jesus Christ, what are we doing? So because he

(31:08):
almost gets mentioned, I think he does get mentioned less
than Joy Taylor in this because I think Joy Taylor
and the complaint have more interactions for sure, Yeah, but
everything goes back to him. So I'm gonna take a
moment to be like, frick that guy two like not
only evil genius, but it's it's also striking to me
that it's like, it seems like the context of these conversations,

(31:31):
the many conversations that are cited between Joy Taylor and
the hairdresser are like, on one hand, Joy Taylor is
like agreeing that the allegations are happening and also a
recipient of bad behavior, but it's almost like, but it's
what happens, like you have to ride out on it.
So I think that's also so troubling to me that

(31:51):
it's like the culture is obviously seems to be so
prevalent if these allegations are true that it's like, well, yeah,
I mean we can agree it's happening, but time to
make the most of it, you know.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Joy Taylor is also just the Will Ferrell character in
Austin Powers, where you he can't lie three times in
a row. You just have to ask the same question
over and over because Joey Taylor's like, she's you see
her with the guy, and she's like just a friend
that all of a sudden you ask at work, She's like, ah,
caught me. Okay, so this is what's happening. Like at
every point it's yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
And it's also this is skipping ahead, but I think
it's a good point to bring this point out of
Like I don't think it's going to be the thing
that gets noted, but it's another thing that strikes me
as true in this because it's so consistent, is the
use of sex as power in this workplace, like forced
or unforced whatever. Because one of the other things that

(32:47):
that also strikes me is like, yep, that skip that
feels right to me is an allegation that as you
get into the skip making money offers. Part of the
allegations is that skip also responded, Oh, you don't want
to sleep with me, you must be sleeping with Shannon.
I know, I know. And I bring that in here
because it's like, the answer can't be that she's not

(33:09):
sleeping with somebody. It's got to be correct. I mean,
everyone in this office is sleeping with one of the
male talent. And right also strikes me that he's paranoid
about all the women Shannon is sleeping with. Which correct?
That feels true at this point, we'll.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Get into it. The person supposedly who told Skip that
she was sleeping with Shannon was mister Dixon. He's stirring
the pot all over. By the way, apparently this Dixon
guy was the first person hired by a former executive
or president at Fox Sports who has been fired for
sexual harassment or assault or something as well. So it

(33:50):
seems very systematic. It feels very widespread, not very surprising.
I will just quickly go over this part. She's targeted
because of her ethnicity. There's a former host I believe
who is now already fired. She seems very unhinged at
an informal dinner at Master of Steakhouse. I'm not sure

(34:10):
if you can have an informal dinner. There by the way,
screamed at the hairdresser again, there's no context here, fuck you,
you persian bitch. So and then she threatened to kill
herself with a glass. So she has been fired. All right,
is what it is there? Okay? Hairdresser believes she has cancer.

(34:33):
Conveys this to Skip in an attempt to stop his advances,
only to have him offer her one and a half
million dollars to have sex at a boy Skip. Over
the years, Skip continued to make advances at her, lingering hugs,
kisses on the cheek, and inappropriate comments that he could
change her life. Very Skip thing to say, hairdresser would

(34:55):
always make excuses regarding your son, change the subject, make
a joke, anything that keeps get happy and her job safe.
Twenty twenty one, developed issues with her left ovary. Thought
it could be cancer. Essentially, Skip was still making advances.
She said, Hey, I might have cancer. Skip began rambling

(35:16):
because there's cameras everywhere, said and she had a child,
does not want him. Skip grabbed her by the hands,
began kissing him, offered her one and a half million
to have sex. She made an excuse to leave approximately
one week later, Skip made another advance, said, and she said, stop, Skip,
you have a wife. Skip said, aren't you Muslim? Doesn't

(35:37):
your dad dad have three to four wives? She said, hey,
my father's dead. Skip looked taken aback, and she made
an excuse to leave again. This is just a sitcom
at this point. Yeah, interesting, this is.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
A Skylar plot line. I'm breaking bad.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
It is it is or this is just one tree
hill somehow she made a The hairdresser's job is threatened
because she does not sleep with Skip. So now these
are text messages here. Twenty twenty two, April twelfth. Skip
says I'm good today, meaning he wasn't gonna come up

(36:17):
for hair and makeup next day. He texts her, not
comfortable coming down there. Just do what you need to do.
It's okay. She asked him, what's wrong? He said, same stuff, worse,
He's acted like a child. Concerned about her job, She
went to go to Skip's dressing room see if everything
was okay. Skip answered the door before she could speak.

(36:39):
He began began angrily accusing her of fucking Shandean Sharp.
She tried to explain that she did not have any
feelings towards Sharp did not sleep with them or any
other talents at Fox. Before she could speak, Skip demanded
that she come to his car after the show. She
says she could not comes sitting in his car because

(37:01):
that's appropriate. Skip got mad, and then he left. The
following day, right, yes, the following day, Skip text her,
if you're distracted tomorrow, I'll wait till Monday. But I
can't keep doing this. She said that she was confused.
Skip said, trust me, I'm far more confused. She played

(37:23):
over textas she's not guy bullshit?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Can we do cans?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Man?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Can we say that like that? Is? That's guy? We
all look back up of it's like that. We're like, man,
I'm the worst. That's such dude bull crap. I know
I'm hurting you, but I think of what it's like
for me to be doing it. Skip.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Here's the thing. So this feels so real because it
feels so Skipped if it's not real. They got his
tone perfectly. He's just like, wait a minute, you're fucking
this guy. At one point in this this lawsuit, he
calls Shaded Sharp his mortal enemy. You violated my trust

(38:06):
with my mortal enemy, yeah, which I didn't either. Skip
gets into character perfectly because he is his debate foe. Yeah,
or he really hated shaded Sharp. I don't know, it's
very interesting, but okay, he says, I can't keep doing this.

(38:27):
Day after that, Skip texted her, do you still want
to do the haircut or just move on? She said
she doesn't want to move on from her job. She
wants to continue doing his hair. Day after that, he
called her. She did not pick up the phone because
she was scared. She called him ten minutes later. On
the call, Skip again angrily accused her of fucking Shannon.

(38:49):
Sharp said he could tell from her body language that
she was doing it, and then she tried to explain
that she was kind to all talent and laughs and
engages in conversation. Asked if she was if he was
yelling at her because she refused to go to his car,
Skip said, don't talk to me like that. Then Skip

(39:12):
said she heard her talk too Sharp about her vagina,
which obviously people do when they're hooking up, they talk
about that. She said that's not true. She was embarrassed
and angry. Even if she had been dating Shannon, which
she wasn't, shouldn't matter because she just had a professional
relationship with Skip. Day after that, she arrived in the

(39:36):
makeup room small room. As they are talking about she
turned on a recording device waited for Skip to arrive.
Apparently two of her co workers were hiding. Because she
knew what was going on. Skip came into the room.
Skip knew that the recording makeup room was always recorded,
so he clearly stated, apparently this room was bugged. Skip

(40:00):
does every time he walks into any room. And then
he said he would hate for her to lose her job,
but she can't keep doing a big thing to my
arch rival. That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
This is, by the way, well Shannon is still at Fox.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
They are doing the show together. Yeah, my art rival.
It's insane. She said that being polite to Shannon's part
of her job. He said, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. I'm calling
bullshit on you. So this is just an episode of
Undisputed right now. That sucks. Yeah, I mean this is awesome.

(40:38):
It's just it's just Skip. This is insane. Yeah. He
said he doesn't want her to lose her job over this.
Obviously threatening. She responded she wasn't going to lose her
job because she is a great hairdresser. He responded, I
have love for you, I have for six years, and
you hurt me and you were ruining this. She said

(41:01):
she's polite to a'll tail it. He implied that if
he stopped he requesting her, it would affect her job.
She said she scheduled work every morning if she would like.
If he would like his hair done, he's welcome to
come and do it. Essentially, Skip continued to threaten the job,
and she's saying he was pressuring her to have sex

(41:22):
with him. Certainly seems that way. So a few days later,
so that was April seventeenth, this is now April twenty. First,
Skip asked if she would come to his home to
color his hair, which is something she had been doing
with Skip's wife there as well, so that's not really
out of the ordinary. But she said no, she would

(41:43):
no longer be going to his home. Following week, Skip
arrived in the makeup room as if nothing happened, but
she remade dot edge she was having nightmares about this.
We find out later she has PTSD from something. We
don't know. Is it right there? Certainly you know it
could be triggering something for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, let's dive into that section a bit, because I
think that's gonna be the one that gets the most news.
There's a lot of stuff to talk about there too.
I one again to highlight that seems there's also mentioned
in there of I've read in different places that there's
mention of her having something recorded. It seems like that

(42:28):
comes from this section.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yep, she said right away when she walked in the room,
she put turned on a recording device.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
And that's when Skip walcked in said this room is bucked.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Correct, so good. Yeah, but and then said all is
bullshit anyway, but so good. Good catch, bad decision making,
which does feel like skip baitless. Two. Also, with all
of this happening, I think this is a good section.
Also point out, like often what happens with complaints like this,

(43:00):
why do you wait so long?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
How's the detail?

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Another good section to remind this feels clearly like something
that was previously reported. Did all the detail on different pieces,
so it's I don't think it's a lack of attempting
to report. I think the concise nature of this report
in the consecutive days, I think that's a piece of
that is this was probably already reported in some way,

(43:24):
and she doesn't find it. They responded to it, which
also makes sense. I also think in all this there's
gonna be a lot of focus that God did that
payment ever get thrown out there other things. I think
the greatest part that feels like it happened in all
of this is the implication that there will be consequences

(43:44):
if you don't have sex with me.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yep, yep, yeah, he's using his power as a.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Way or and even if you're not sleeping with Shannon Sharp,
but I'm gonna say you are, which by the way,
he comes out later to say a bunch of shit
about Shannon Sharp, whether it's true or not. So I
do believe that that has been on the table as well.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Again truly speculation. I believe he does believe she's sleeping
with Shannon. I believe it's because the Dixon guy told him,
which is what is alleged in this So and either
that happened because he wanted this chick fired because she
knew that he was doing all the shit to other women.

(44:26):
So Dixon's just trying to figure out how to get
this girl fired basically, And it seems like that Parretti
lady her job is to get this girl fired. It
feels like she's targeted because of her ethnicity and disability.
All this is is, you know, English isn't her first language.
People are making fun of that. Joy Taylor is now

(44:48):
making fun of that. Now that she knows more, Joy
is no longer on friendly terms with her, and because
of her PTSD, she starts humming just out of nowhere,
and that's the way for her to cope. She doesn't
know she does. It happens more when she's stressed, and
Joy is now saying how much she hates it, even

(45:09):
though everybody knows about it. And then now Joy is
saying she needs a black hair stylist because this woman
doesn't know how to do black hair. And we need
to remind everybody Joy specifically requested her to do her
hair years ago. She's been doing hair on her the
entire time, so that's clearly a lie. That's all this

(45:31):
section is, essentially.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, a lot of correct yep, a lot of that,
and a lot of you know, harassment type behavior, which
you know is one of the allegations in there.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
So right twenty twenty three, so you can see how
recent this gets. Miss Peretti again, this is the lady
who has some authority, but it seems like your only
job is to get the hairdresser fired. She went into
her office, said miss Taylor Joy Taylor doesn't have any
more need for her as a hairstylist. Explained that she
was to work only four hours and then go home, Essentially,

(46:06):
when the hairdresser said, oh, I thought I was supposed
to do touchups, the lady said she's spoken to all
of the talent and there's no more need for touchups.
Asked if she did something wrong, and then Miss Faretti said,
you remind me of my dog. When I take my
dog out, et barks at bigger dogs like you. And
then apparently the hairdresser cries and says, because that's the

(46:28):
most offensive insult is to call somebody a dog. I
think she missed the point. She's not calling her a dog.
She's just saying she doesn't understand her role. Essentially, she's saying,
know your role and shut your mouth.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I think it can be in the midst of these
other allegations. I agree with you that it's not as
damning as some of the other stuff, but it can
be hurtful to be like maybe by comparison to me
of a dog. I Also, the only thing I was
going to say there with this section is some of
these allegations are weer than others in terms of outcome.

(47:02):
But I think some of that is Like I turned
all of this in and nothing happened with any of it,
so I'm resubmitting it here.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Right, yeah. Yeah. The important important part about this is
one she things to get harassment about who she is
essentially everybody. Yeah, seemingly everybody. This section I feel like
does not paint her well oh correct, yeah, well no, no,
I just mean, like, oh, this part right here, this
whole thing is about how she's getting targeted because she

(47:29):
can't speak English. Well, this is from her diary with
a bunch of typos, so maybe she can't speak English
very well. I'm just saying that shouldn't have been included,
but maybe illustrates her point. Yeah yeah, maybe in this part.
The big thing is she spoke to everybody nobody needs

(47:50):
touch ups. Later on this turns out to not be true.
She again is just systematically reducing her role in order
to fire her because later on, whether we talked about
it or not, everyone's saying, hey, why aren't you here
for touchups. We want you to do stuff. And then
she's like, oh, apparently there's a miscommunication because she spoke

(48:11):
to everybody about it and said nobody did this turns
out to be alive. That's the biggest part of that.
She participates in internal investigation only to be singled out,
taken off of speak, and then accused of having sex
with Skip. So Miss Druker is Fox's vice president of

(48:35):
employee relations, had a meeting, asked Joy was sleeping with Acho.
She admitted that two were doing that. Didn't think it
was a big deal because they had similar amounts of power.
Didn't think it would he would physically harm her or
anything like that. Acho was respective respectful to the hairdresser,

(48:56):
never threatened her. YadA, YadA, YadA. So she's just having
information in this section, basically making it known how much
she actually knows, which makes her a bigger target. Obviously
unnamed person making public comments accused her. Asked her if

(49:19):
she made public comments about Dixon and Taylor having sex.
She became very scared because he had previously assaulted her.
Stuff like that. Everyone at the company knew about the relationship.
She didn't think any information you know coming out was
new and stuff like that. She began crying investigation regarding

(49:41):
her humming, apparently because everyone's complaining about it. Essentially just
Joy Taylor, miss em threatening to kill her. That was
the person at the table who called her a Persian bitch.
People mocked her language. Basically, everything is coming out to
HR once again, essentially YadA YadA, YadA. Miss Peretti Evil

(50:04):
Lady again told a bunch of eight of her coworkers
to not talk to the hairdresser because she has a
pending case with HR. She was confused because she didn't
think there was a pending case because all she was
asked about was Joy Taylor sleeping with Dixon and Nacho
bum okay. On October twenty first that Miss Druker Lady

(50:31):
Lady asked Skip for a meeting. Skip arrived. Ski told
Skip right away not to worry his job is safe.
They began interrogating him, asked if he had a romantic
relationship with the hairdresser and whether she offered him sex.
Skip answered truthfully said that she never offered him sex.
They again said, hey, your job is not at jeopardy.

(50:55):
Here wink wank heavily implying him that they that they
wanted him to say, hey, she was actually being inappropriate
with him instead of the other way around. He for
twenty minutes, he just said, you know the truth. Mister
Dixon asked Skip and asked why he didn't just lie
about it. Skip said that he cares about her. Dixon said,

(51:18):
who cares? I can get you a better looking hair stylist.
So again, evil sexual deviant Skip is standing up for her.
Is it because he actually cares about her? Is it
because he just wants to have sex with her? That
is up for you to decide. But Skip is essentially
telling the truth instead of just easily getting her fired.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
And the implication is that she heard this from Skip, right,
I assume yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
So later on they talked about the clarify that yeah,
so that's true. She learns that Skip or that mister
Dixon wants her fired. So Skip learned that Sharp and
her never actually had sex, and so that's good, confirmed confirmed.

(52:06):
Skip pulled her aside. He had to have asked Shannon,
I guess Skip pulled her aside, apologized for accusing her
of that, disclosed his meeting with Hi, which is the
one we just talked about discussed that mister Dickson wants
her fired because she knew too much and she was
talking about it. Skip also said mister Dixon kept his

(52:29):
wife on payroll to keep her silent about his affairs
with employees, which is interesting. And then so good guy
Skip in a way, and then Skip says, hey, do
you want to go out to dinner and keep talking
about this? And then she said no. October eighteenth, Skip
told her that mister Dixon was continuing to push him

(52:51):
to ask for a different hair stylist, but Skip refused.
So again Skip's like, hey, I have your back, you know,
again using his power, saying please without me, There's nothing
right exactly. She wrote in her diary, I feel desperate,
don't know how to save my job. Mister Dixon's the
big boss. I'm a hairstylist, no power. Skip said that

(53:13):
Joy is telling mister Dixon to get rid of him
or rid of her.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
A couple of days later, Skip told her again that
mister Dixon threatened Skip's job because he continuously requested her,
stating that he would rather have another pretty girl over
Skip on undisputed. So Dixon's trying to replace Skip. Now
at this point. A month later, Skip told her that

(53:44):
he loves her and that mister Dixon was the one
that told her told him that she's sleeping with Shannon Shark.
So Dixon's stirring the pot. Skip loves this lady. Apparently
she old Skip that she's only interested in a professional
relationship and being a friend.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah, he said, idea, you're losing everything. Just want to
highlight that. Of like it kind of ends on another threat.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah, yeah, another threatening statement is what it is. Skip's
just saying without me, you got nothing. You're a single mom.
You know, hey, I got this big sum of money.
Apparently if you sleep with me. Yeah, So she supported
a coworker and another racist thing is what it is?
Just more systematic racism and discriminatory things going on. And

(54:38):
then eventually now she's fired. We're talking about June twenty fourth,
twenty twenty four, so very recent year. Half year ago.
She found out that on disput it was going to
be canceled and that Skip was going to be fired.
She grew anxious that Dixon was just trying to get
her fired. Later that week, she he was going to

(55:00):
Skip a haircut. During the haircut, Skip said he has
a new opportunity he was expecting outside of Fox. She
asked if he was going to come back Undisputed. He
replied of course. Bayless then told that he fantasizes about
having sex with her. How much money it would take
for her to have sex with him. She said that
she already refused one and a half million. Her answer

(55:23):
was not going to change. Skip said, the more you
say no, the more I want you crazy. They literally
it's like a seminar, say, that's why. It's like this
is a cartoon. It's like it's turned up to eleven,
like the worst versions of everybody here or the most
innocent version of everybody.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
It's what happens when nothing's addressed, right, Like we just
keep coming to the same behavior.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
True True August second. So a couple months later, Undisputed canceled,
Skipped fired she was taken off the schedule. Evil Lady
said the hairdresser. There's no longer need for the hairdresser.
Skip asked her to walk him to his car. On
the way out. She felt she had no other choice

(56:10):
but to do so. At the car, they noticed mister
Dixon was in the parking lot looking at them and
Skip said to her, I assume loudly, but who knows.
Fuck mister Dixon. If you want to sue them, go
for it. Fuck them. He's not going to sleep tonight.
Mister Dixon's not. Mister Dixon's scared of what I'm going
to tell you. Fuck him. So no, Skip has a

(56:31):
vendetta against that guy.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
She reached out to Fox asked why she's taken off
the schedule. She explained that even though under Speed it
was canceled, she had worked for the Herd for five years,
speak for one year, and people continue to request her.
Fox did not bring a response, but they said they
would investigate the issue again. A talent so talent asked

(57:00):
for her to give him a haircut, and so she's like,
I don't know what to do. I'm not on the schedule.
I'm not getting paid. Contacted Fox saying, hey, this guy
wants me to give him a haircut. Fox did not
say anything, just said they're going to investigate it. A
few days after that, after finishing their investigation, Fox was
able to provide that they can only afford one hairdresser

(57:23):
to work on all three shows, and Fox systematically refused
her work schedule terminated her employment and removed her using
fabricated business necessities as a pretext. Essentially, so what we
talked about before, it just slowly reduced the role until
she's no longer important. And that's about it. She's going

(57:46):
through therapy. She is like dumping all this stuff out.
Following her departure from Fox, Skip began featuring his wife
on his podcast. The belief is that he changed his
cell phone number. I don't know why this is included
without actual evidence, but maybe there is evidence. The belief
is that he changes cell phone number to remove all

(58:07):
of the sexual texts and stuff like that. But yeah,
that's about it. Talent continues to request her at Fox,
and then she cites this Twitter post, which I don't
think is relevant, but she said Colin Coward, worst person
in the lawsuit, tweets out if you should get a haircut,
sixty three percent people think he should, And I don't

(58:32):
know why that supports her case, but apparently it does.
So a lot of interesting things here.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yeah, I think the only interesting thing there is I
think there's a route this goes where Cowherd and others
at Fox could end up calling out some of the
things that have been happening. That could be a wink
winks nodge of like I'm publicly trying to you know,
maybe without getting into the allegation side of things. That's
cowhard being like it is a BS reason you were fired,

(59:00):
Like I literally need a haircut. Yeah, yeah, it kind
of reminds me. It kind of reminds me when no
one gave I'm so sorry, I'm always terrible with names.
Who's the current Vikings defensive coordinator Flores Flores when no
one gave Flores any interviews and Bill Belichick happened to

(59:21):
like the weak a text threat that was like congratulating
the wrong Bryant.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Congrats of the Giants job. I didn't get that job?
All right? Cool? Okay, Well seems.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Like maybe a little bit of a all right, here's
for your court by.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Like yeah, I mean maybe that's very true, but yeah,
so again, this lawsuit, the majority of it is actually
the class action for a bunch of employees for not
paying wages, systematically reducing stuff like that. Blah blah blah
blah blah. Gary said, more shock that skip inc Ga.

(59:56):
There's such a thing called a beard, So I mean
that's not out of the question. Yet who knows, but
obviously this is being framed as a Skip Bayless lawsuit.
I think he's I mean, he's certainly a part of this, right,
he's the biggest name in this, but the biggest villain,
mister Dixon. He's the worst person, Bobby Diaz. A second,

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that guy is fired. He is going to be fired,
and then Joy Taylor is using everybody over at Fox,
sleeping her way to the top. And I don't know,
like if I don't know if it feels like Dixon
has to be out, Bobby Diaz is going to be
a scapegoat for sure. Joy probably out, don't you think,

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like why would somebody keep her around?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I think there's a world, listen. I think there's a
world where she's for sure out of this. I honestly
think it depends on the order of what happens, because
I could see definitely it's like Charlie Dixon is gonna
on her out. O.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Wait, that's what I'm saying, Like she has no friends
there at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Correct, But if he goes first, do they keep her?
I think the only I agree that she's probably out.
The only thing I'm leaving open there is is she
going to be part of different parts of this lawsuit.
Weirdly on the other end, because she cited her own allegations,
you know she'll try for sure, so but I still

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think that sees her probably not with the company, but
we'll see. I mean, who knows what a big uproar
this is. You mentioned this earlier, so I'm just going
to tie a bow on it. This is obviously I
think most people have already connected these dots, right, like,
not the first where smoke, there's fire with Fox at
a large glance, and not even Fox Sports. I got

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the name while you were talking. Jamie Horowitz is the
former executive who hired Charlie Dixon. Yeah, he was dismissed
amid sexual assault allegations. And then obviously history of Fox
News and larger Fox products of allegations in the same
realm as well. So this all ties back to I

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think in terms of demonstrating a culture. I think most
people were probably you know, it sucks. I heard this
and I was like, yep, that's real. I heard all
of this and I was like not surprised, which freaking stinks.
I also think like the fact that leaving her job

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was not an option and like that wasn't gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
You know, she needed the job, like right, right, yeah,
I mean she was in terms like the underlying theme
here is power dynamic, right, like she had zero power,
she needs this and everybody else has full power over her.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah. Yeah. And the fact that I'm assuming that many
more allegations are going to come out connected to this,
or at least more details about the class action parts
of this and what those highlight. I don't necessarily know
if this is going to be a string of you know,
ten other women come forward, but I do think that
it could be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
You know, there's they also mentioned later in the lawsuit,
like instances of other things happening, not necessarily there. I
think there's one more Fox one. There was an NFL
network one where they like accused certain people. This is
like old shit, right like other people who have I

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got it here? I don't, but you know, it seems
like certainly women in sports, right, that's always a conversation.
Seems like if the woman isn't being the victim in
terms of being passed around as a scoreboard, then they
are the fucking problem and sleeping their way to the top.

(01:03:49):
Like there's always something wrong about something at this point,
which is an interesting way to frame everything. I'm almost
wonder like Fox has an easy out here with the
class action stuff, at least with her, Like she got hurt,
she was replaced, she came back, and her role wasn't

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very big. So I almost wonder how much, like how
far this is even gonna go, Like from Fox's point
of view, there's a lot of things they can just
be like, hey, this is the facts, and we're not
going to pay two people to do one person's job.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yeah. I also think there's so much in this this
I mean, this is heading towards settlement and we won't
really sure. I think that's where this wraps up. So
I think they have some outs in terms of the
wrongful termination allegations. I think the piece that feels like

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is provable because it's such a clear part of this,
but maybe it's not, as what's not shown in this
allegation is I'm assuming she has proof of like you're
making up the fact that you can like did they
hire two more hairstylists the next week something like that,
Like that's not included here, but that feels like like
you waited eight days to give me a reason. I

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have all this evidence showing that you were looking for
reasons to fire me ahead of time. Does that also
blow in the wind, like they hire more hairstylists a
month later.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
I think there might be something about that. I'm not
sure where it is. I feel like that was actually
stated in this Yeah, because Okay, August sixth, finishing investigation,
they fired her, said that there wasn't guided by his

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attorney's Fox and implemented a revised schedule, assigning a single
hairdresser to cover all three shows for approximately three months.
Once yeah, there we go. So they did a new
schedule after she was out, put one hairdresser on all
three shows that we talked about for three months. Once
Fox believed that that was enough time to justify actions

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from a legal standpoint, They're averted to their long standing schedule,
which included one hair and makeup person in the morning
and then another in the afternoon, which is what it
was before.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
So yeah, so they only did the one person for
three months, and they're like, oh, okay, that's enough. Legally
we can be like, hey, then there's a new need.
And then they brought in another person.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
So that would be the only thing if it hits court.
They'll have to prove financial strain for those three months,
and maybe they're able to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
So I mean COVID, I mean you can just put
it on that, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
So you know we're making less money skips out of here.
So honestly, yeah, so I don't know. It's all of
it's gross. I think it's wild. It's like there's almost
knowing a fox that wasn't mentioned.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
The I never know his name, the guy who lives
lebron uh who Nick Emmanuel is his name? Nick Nick something?
Nick something? I can't remember his name. It's a man
you watch Nick right. Yeah, he wasn't mentioned. I wish
he was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Like I almost mentioned that at one point of like
Nick right pops up here, yea, what.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Did he do? Talk about the chiefs?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
But true, a lot of the big names are in here,
So I think there's that, and like also like again
the power dynamics, but also just I think it's literally
impossible to report anything here. That's the other thing coming

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up is like I can't get Bobby d As fired.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
We get yeah, he's somehow he feels the most safe
out of anybody because he supplice cocaine that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
But it's like that part is striking to me of
like that and other things. To your you kept saying cartoonish,
which is so correct of like we I want to
advocate for these other things. And Skip Bayless is my
biggest ally in some of this, and he keeps inviting
me to his car.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Perfect Skips pick a new meeting point. Yeah, it's we're
bumbing so well right now, I'm telling you all this stuff.
We should go to dinner and just keep the conversation going. No, Skip,
you were almost the good guy in the story. Stop it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I know, I know, and several times being like, don't worry,
I got you back. Do you have my front? Do
you I heard you're not having sex with Shannon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
We should hug it out. I don't know, Like is
this weird? Are we feeling the spark too? Skip? Come on?
The thing with Shannon makes it the most believable thing,
a little calling Shannon his most hated adversary and our time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Well they are still on TV together for another year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
God. I mean that that part of the conversation we
should be able to assume is word for word because
she recorded it, so like she should have that recording.
So maybe that's why that was so detailed and hits
Skip's tone so perfectly because we could listen to it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Yeah, repeated bullshit eight times in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, you fucked him by our rival.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Being told that in like those parts are are maybe
gonna be the most legally damning some of the parts
that Skip will Maybe it'll be interesting when this hits now,
will Skip still and force some of those things, like
everything he heard from Charlie Dixon, everything you know, hearing
that of Like you know, if if Skip co opts

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this in sense of yeah, Dixon came to me and said,
why wouldn't you just lie about this? That's doing that
part's over. Like if Skip comes out to get a
real conversation that happened, then that would be the end
of Dixon. But we'll see if that still gets defended
in that way when it's baked into all the allegations
about Skip, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
And Skip could argue that wasn't me, that was Drip Bayless.
There's very two different people. Drip Bayless does what he wants,
says what he wants. He's he's the Buddy Baker. He's
a buddy mover, Skip Bayless went to bat for her
drip Bayless wanted to be in her two different people.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I also, hold on, I just when did Skip go
to Fox Sports Fox?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I mean he was in there, so she was there already,
I believe once he arrived.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Yeah, I one hundred percent you're gonna know what I
mean right away when I say this, Yes, September twenty sixteen,
So this is essentially not new news. I just wanted
to make sure I was giving my facts right the
whole time. This is essentially like day one, the last
day this was happening. There was never a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Where Skip was part of Fox Sports that this person
was not correct, which.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Is also like what are we doing? So that's also
it's baked in right. It's not a bug in the system,
a feature of the system, seems.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Yeah, for sure. I mean there's allegations going back far
before Skip with that mister, I mean, mister Dixon. Saga
started before Skip was there, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Jamie Horwitz hired him in like twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
So earlier I think, yeah, maybe not, But.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Hold on, when was that? No, he left in twenty seventeen, gotcha?
Twenty fifteen he hired him, So again, this system kind
of seems to match up with that. So uh, and
that's the big expansion of Fox Sports. I mean, that's
when that's all building up. So I think two things
are very very intertwined. And then Shannon Sharp would go

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on to leave and have a live sex celebration.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Skip's like, is that with her? No, it's not okay, cool,
it's it's unreal.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
And like, by the way, obviously all of this coincides
with the racism allegation Shannon has made as well publicly
and privately, So it's gross in terms of what happens next. Uh.
That was my only other question. Do you think that
part where it's basically tying together it feels a little

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bit of a stretch where she's basically maybe laying the groundwork.
I also think maybe they fired Skip because he was
defending me. Yeah. Yeah, feels a bit of a stretch.
But like, I wonder if that's that could be a
route this goes. If it's like Skip thought he was
gonna come back. That seemed to be true in real life, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
That's that's exactly what that says. She found out supposedly
that undisputed wasn't getting brought back.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
She then meets with Skip and says, hey, I've this
other stuff happening outside. Then she has specifically are you
coming back to undisputed? He said, of course. But also
during this entire thing, yet, mister Dixon keeps saying, please lie,
please lie about this stuff so we can fire her.
Skip continues to say, no, I'm not going to lie.

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I'm not going to do this, and then Dixon threatens
Skip's job. According to Skip, so for sure, like the
groundwork is laid, that's Skipped somehow was fired because of
this as well, which is insane if true.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah, and also what a good maybe bo on all
of it, which is how complicated when you really get
into it, Like Skip Bayless is one of the prime
you know, alleged figures in this, and he may have
also lost his job for failing to defend some of
the behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Like it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Skip bays perpetrator behavior may have been let go partially
because he was unwilling to help her get fired.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Well, I think, yeah, I think that's for sure true.
It comes down to who knows information about the wrongdoings
of everything, who's willing to play ball and at that
point when Skip wasn't willing to do to lie anymore.
It seems like he wasn't willing to play ball and
cover up all the bad shit. And that's when you

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become disposable, got it, That's why, and that's why, that's why.
No wrongdoing by Colin Coward. He's just like floating around
here and heard anything he's covering up. I think that's
worth looking into. I think it's worth looking into.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I'm going to believe when.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
The when the victim involved is like the one person
she's saying, don't go after for now, I'm gonna call
off the dogs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
All she's saying in good God, she used the wrong words.
She's just saying he was He was nice to me,
he didn't make fun of my accent, but long enough,
Yeah he did something, you know what I mean. He
tapped up mister Dixon every time he saw him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Yeah, I mean, listen, that's the real thing. Acho's mentioned
in this. Who didn't know about this? I think that's
very real.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
It's well, apparently she's been there for a decade and
doesn't know Acho works there. So on one hand, everybody
knows everything, but on the other hand, nobody knows anybody,
the people nonpower.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
I also I can somewhat see that in the sense
of she's trying to go to work man like she's
trying just to do people's hair.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
And also this is obvious, but I'm gonna say it
because we're talking about it now and it's a good
connection to make. It is gross that everything we've said
a part of the bill O'Reilly allegations, everything that's come up,
is like, God, damn Fox, why is this all the
same thing?

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Well, here's the thing. And it does also feel like
the same thing with Fox. It feels like all the
same thing everywhere. And I think that's that's such a
good point. That's such a good point. Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, Yeah, that are one area of sexual harassment and
allegation happening.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
So it's like for some reason everywhere where there's people
in power and people just trying to cut it. Yeah,
there seems to be a power dynamic issue.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Yes, uh, And somehow it's never reported accurately.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
For some reason, they the people in power who are
the evil geniuses, they nail their hr highers, they nail
it like they never fuck that up. They somehow are
always subservient, just like perfect They play ball all the time,
and I don't know how that is like the hr people.

(01:17:05):
There's no moral compass with the hr Hires ever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
I'm sorry, I just made that noise into the microphone.
I couldn't contain it. I this is not what this
is about. This is gonna feel like a potshot, but
it's worth noting because my point was gonna be It's
also seems like all the consequences where these folks are temporary.
And to make that point, I was like, I wonder
what Jamie Horowitz is up to right now?

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Co oh Man, President and co founder of Omaha Productions.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Really, yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Well everywhere, man, it's like, try finding someone who's not involved.
And that's not a defense of it, but it's like
it just doesn't go away. I don't that's not an
allegation on the Mannings or anything there because I haven't
looked into it, ract but it doesn't. I knew he
was going to be somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
It bums me out that it wasn't just ESPN again,
so I could hit him with a stick, but.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
You know because it keeps him in line. Though you
kidding me? Archie is probably Cooper Archie's Archie would fucking
kick his ass if anything happened.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Yeah, and listen, I don't know enough about it. I
don't know the vetting and even what he was fully
held accountable for, so I truly don't know. Yeah, but
just an example of pick a name from this and
see where they work in two years.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Yeah, that's who's not a woman? Well, true, Joy Taylor
may never works somewhere again. You know, I think she
will because even like Aaron Andrews is doing stuff. But
usually here's the thing. Usually it's like you get in
trouble for this stuff at ESPN and then you go
to Fox. So now if you get in trouble with
this at Fox, you go to the stadium or something

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like that, or you go up to Canada or something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
The same steel come home, we're better know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
So you're correct that everyone here like you can't truly
get canceled when people are just gonna continue to listen
to you or see you. But skip now though, does
this is this the end of skip? Because that's possibility
because of his age and because of his character, like

(01:19:23):
I'm talking the character he plays, like this coming out
doesn't really work with that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
No one liked working with him anyway, Like that's another
mix of this. It's not Saint Skip, so I think
so unless he finds the right friend to play ball
with and like hits that off. But he's already like
it is the end of Skip on cable television, but
like his show will remain, you know, yeah, go his podcast. Sure,

(01:19:53):
it's hard to tell what's gonna break waves with like
his audience. Like I could see people who have decided
to stick with him after all the Shandon stuff. You know,
I think are gonna look at this and probably point
out the parts where Skip was a good guy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah, I mean there's there are parts. That's why it's
like Skip did two wrongs and then one right every single.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Also, I'm not saying this is nothing. I'm just saying
that this is part of the playbook and sad that
it is part of it. I unfortunately think Skip's gonna
get on the show with his wife, and his wife's
going to be like we're good, and everyone's gonna be like,
But I'm just pointing it out of like same thing
that happens when to mention a guy who's also in

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the news when Tyreek Hill was receiving allegations and other
football players of hitting women. Then that person comes forward
and says, well, that happened, but I'm cool with it,
and everybody moves on and it's not the behavior isn't
any better, but like there's a victim mentality that perpetuates that,
and we stay here, like skip wife's gonna come forward

(01:21:01):
and be like, ah, who hasn't Skips left with it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
We're gonna be like, oh, good, Skip needs to Skip
and his his Skip's wife is going to be his
new debate partner because that's he's She's the new art
tribal arch enemy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Yeah, maybe he only has relationships with people he also hates.
I don't know. And also, I guess the only thing
I know in this is that Skip wasn't having the fair.
So I'm not gonna leg anything so far because.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
He was true, he tried. That's that's all he has
to say. I did not sleep with her. What do
you want me to do?

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Did my best? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
True, So don't let me. That's I'm a track that
I have no idea. If Skip is having the fair,
I know an attempt was made, but you know that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
You know what, Honey, I didn't do it. I offered
one and a half mill I sacrificed the future. You
can buy this whole document where she says it doesn't
happen true, true, and the same thing apparently.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
All yeah, true, only when it says to that is
a freaking mister Dixon. Also, can we get names that
aren't Bond villains? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
I know, come on, skip be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Like it's like we're gonna go through the joy Taylor.
You know, it's literally a script of Friday Night Lights.
Any anything we want to highlight here that we haven't covered.
This is, by the way, as we've been talking about this,
thanks everyone who's listened. I mean we've been laughing through
it because there's a lot of extremes here. I mean,

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I'll and on the part that is hopefully obvious, but
it's good to be blatant with it. My heart and
support goes out to the folks who are reporting this
and going through it, and the folks who are currently
there too scared to report it and going through similar
things in other companies. Uh, it sucks. I hope whatever
happens next advocates for folks to feel like reporting things,

(01:22:58):
and I also encourag as we learn more details about
this that there's you've made good points going through this.
There's no lawsuit like this where every part is validated,
and that doesn't mean that it wasn't worth making. I
think that's gonna be the part that gets blown up
is like, let's say Skip never made a one and a
half million dollar offer or there's no verification of that, Yeah,

(01:23:22):
and then everything else is settled. Well, then something still happened.
So like, let's give credence to the behavior that's happening
here the root of it, because that's clearly present. But
I'm just sorry that this had to reach this point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
And God, I can't believe Skip Bayless has been on
our TVs for twenty fucking years probably more right? Or
is it only twenty?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
No more than that? When was his freakin' Jordan article?

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Um, it all goes back to that. Yeah, I'll look
that up, but that's early two thousand. So as much
as we hate him, I do love Skip Bayless. He
his he serves that he's probably served his purpose. We
can probably be done with Skip Bayless. But boy, there's

(01:24:14):
plenty of Skip baylist moments I will look back on
fondly and this is all par for the course in
my opinion. It is what it is. But yeah, that
lawsuit again, it was a cartoon. Everyone's personality has returned
up to eleven. I think everything's valid in there. I
think everything was exaggerated to a little bit of a degree.

(01:24:36):
Was Skip Did Skip offer one and a half million
dollars in earnest? Probably not? Did he offer money to
sleep with her? Probably? Like that's what we have to
think about for all this was that one lady who
stood up and called her a Persian bitch and threatened
to kill her with a glass? Did that happen? That
one seems pretty true because she was also fired for

(01:24:58):
being unhinged and to stuff like that. So a lot
of interesting stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
And to that point, just to finish on it, uh,
for all of the reasons we've mentioned, both on screen
and off screen, Skip Bayless is everywhere. Every sports company
has five Skip baylesses now. And mister Dixon, Oh god,
I could you could google who the mister Dixons are?

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
It's a bummer. Searched the type and the joy Taylors
also seem unfortunately very obvious as well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Man, you know what I miss. This is a wild
place where my braid went. I miss where. The wildest
story involving this kind of stuff was when we were
in the NBA bubble and we're like, did Jimmy have sex?

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
No, he was practicing his dribbling, dribbling in the middle
of night. She would never all the allegations. What's her name,
Aaron Andrews.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
That's not Aaron Andrews.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Yeah it was wasn't no, no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
You would do that earlier too, I think, Rachel, Rachel Nichols, Nichols, Rachel,
that's what I meant, not Aaron Andrews.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
And Andrews is good. I apologize earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
I like, what the fuck did Aaron Andrews do? But
she did nothing. I take that back, Rachel Nichols triveling
practice middle of the night?

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Google it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Yes, I missed those days.

Speaker 1 (01:26:23):
I did too. I mean, we talked about that a lot.
That's a very funny story, that poor security guard. But
that was a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
We do have a chat for anyone joining us who
wants to get thoughts in. But otherwise, Zach, I think
we briefly wrap up on some NFL stuff, and then
we get out of here. Unless folks have other thoughts
and things to go through on this.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Yeah, if you're listening, definitely comment anything, whether it be
football that we talked about right now, or about the lawsuit,
anything and everything. If you want me to look at
something in the lawsuit, I can bring it up as well.
But Jake, at the very beginning of the season for
the NFL, we decided to do draft, and we each
drafted twelve teams. Yeah, let me see, we each drafted

(01:27:07):
twelve teams, each not who would have the most wins,
but the exact opposite who would have the fewest wins.
We went and drafted twelve. Should I go through our
teams before I give the results now that eighteen weeks
are in the books.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Yes, because I will say my team mounted a bit
of a comeback.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
It did. It did. You'll see Jake's team didn't get
off on the right foot. But we each had some
very good and some very bad picks. I leould say
my team going from first pick to last pick, and
we did snake draft style, I believe. So I went Panthers, Broncos, Patriots, Giants, Washington, Seattle,

(01:27:47):
Miami Saints, Colts, Brown's, Jaguars, Rams, Jake went, and Jake
was in as J. J.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
McCarthy era joke, worst start to this draft, terrible started this.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Draft Jaquin Vikings not a great one to start with,
but then he went Raiders, Falcons, Bucks, Titans, who have
the first overall pick. Now, Cardinals, Bears, Charters, Jets, Bengals, Cowboys, Packers.
So the total wins for your team were ninety five,

(01:28:21):
So ninety five divided by twelve, that's the average whatever
that is wins for my team eighty two? So damn
did win? I was gonna so I win the regular season?
Do we want to do something different, similar or something
completely different for the playoffs? We could do individual players stats,

(01:28:43):
something like that. If we want to draft, do we
want to do teams? There's a lot of things we
could do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
That does break down to about a difference of one
win per team. I just wanted to get that math.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
No, I'm not. I don't think we should do who
has the few No?

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Sorry, I was. You're saying for our result, that was
the difference in ours? Was all of your teams had
about one more?

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Right, thirteen different So yep, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Damn, that is the quicker way to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
Math. I did the division, so I was like, oh,
look at that pretty even. But for the play your issue,
your issue, Remember your strategy going in, You're like, I'm
going to take every NFC South team because you're not good. Yeah,
the issues you took too, and I took the bottom two,
so I kinda that's where that big difference, right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
And to your draft, some of your late picks ended
up I also think saving you where it's like my
middle ended up being really good because I was hedging bets,
but your finish with grabbing the Browns near the end.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Yeah, Browns and Jags Jaggs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Yeah, just got Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
I was. I felt very good about the Dolphins. Remember
I was very adamant that they would miss the playoffs,
and then yesterday I got nervous that they would make
the playoffs. So I'm like, they don't deserve that's what
do we do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Honestly, my Bengals pick almost saved me, and then they
got their act together for no reason. Boys, what did
it do for you? Nothing could have helped me out.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Hey, you had a good middle with Titans, obviously, great pick.
Bears you got directly in the middle, Jets you got, yeah,
obviously at the very end too, so.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Yeah, good middle pick. But for the playoffs, I think
there's some fun ways to do. Do you have any
ideas I can spit all some otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Well, if we want to continue with the theme of
wanting to pick bad performances, maybe we could do like
a draft of whoever has the fewest passing yards, just
because it maybe not like total, maybe it's a per
game thing so we have something to root for till
the end. If we want to do like individual player

(01:30:46):
stats somehow not necessarily passing yards, but or we could
flip it around, just root for touchdowns, root for yards,
root for something like root four fumbles, turnovers, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
I think we we could do that. I think we
could do wins. It'll obviously be a shorter sample size,
but we could each pick five teams, so not the
full fourteen, but we'd end up picking ten of the
fourteen teams and be like these are our losers for sure, okay,

(01:31:23):
basically like who's got no chance in this playoffs? This
is our no chance draft?

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Okay, And if we want to have fewest wins.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Again, we want to have fewest wins, which obviously is
a low number.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Yeah, and because it also you have to throw in
technically the two best team to buy weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
So they could get no wins, you could take them like.
That's why I like five each, because we're leaving four
off the board, so we could leave, you know, just
the highest seeds.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Let's do that. Let me right down all the teams here.
So for AFC, we got just going off my memory,
we got Chiefs, we got Houston, we got Baltimore. The
other division winner is Buffalo. Technically, then we got Charge Chargers,

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Denver and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
That joke is as old as a show. By the way,
I went back and listened to one of the first
episodes and that's the one where I said the Bears
are technically leading the division. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
So again, technically we both knew what was gonna happen. Yeah, NFC.
So we got Detroit, Minnesota, Minnesota, Green Bay. Then we
got Tampa, Rams, Rams, Philadelphia, Washington, and Washington. Yes, okay,

(01:32:55):
I will give you the first pick. So we're doing
ten teams.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Yeah, my okay, So this feels like each of us
should have a sure fire loser, and I'm looking at
some of the lower seats like who's just gonna get wopped?
I think for me, oh do I go with harder head.

(01:33:19):
I'm gonna go with the team that I think is
playing the best team at this time. So I'm gonna
go for my first pick. No wins. I'm gonna go
Denver Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
That's fair, that's good. Should we do it where we
just truly just go every other? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we don't need to do snake draft style.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
I was thinking snake Nah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
No, we'll, we'll. I won regular season, gotta give you
a chance. So I'm gonna go Packers. They play Philadelphia.
I don't think they have a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Two seven seeds off the board. I think that's correct.
I had a coin flip. You took my other one off.
I'm gonna go with the next. Team's playing terrible right now,
kind of hope I'm wrong, But the Ravens can be
playing better and the Steelers can be playing worse. I'm
gonna pick the Steelers next.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
Yeah, it's very true. That's where I would have gone
as well. Okay, next, so Washington plays Tampa, right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Washington plays Tampa. So this is where it gets tricky.
Some of these matchups are a little tougher. Like, Yes,
I don't know how confident I am and like them
or the Texans, but.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
I'm I'm a believer in Harbaugh, so I'm gonna go
with Houston. Houston's also not playing well, I'm gonna go
they lose right away.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
That might have been where I go next. Okay, okay,
on you. I'm gonna hedge my bets on this next
one a little bit, which is I, Oh, I don't
think there's any way this team makes it out of
the second round, and I'm gonna go directly across. I

(01:35:00):
do believe in Harbaugh, but I don't think there's any
way they beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Mm hmm. That's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Are those brackets locked or is at lowest seed remaining
low seed remaining? So that never mind, I take that
back because it's not as helpful. I am going to
just go with the next toughest matchup then, which is Rams.
I think they can give the Vikings a run for
their money. But even if the Rams are remaining, like
I don't love them against any of the division winners.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
That is fair. I think I'll just pick the other
side of that. Like again, I think the Vikings could
certainly win right away, but I don't think they're going
to go anywhere after that, so I'll go Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Well then it didn't end up making much of a difference.
Now I'm gonna go Chargers. I don't think the Chargers
are going to go too far. So that's what our
fifth teams I think are going to be the make
or break here, Zach, because I think we've kind of
swept the board on the East.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
I know my fourth though, I'm sticking on the NFC side. Yeah,
I think I'm gonna go I mean, I'm looking at
one game. I'm just trying to pick who's gonna lose it. Yeah,
I'm gonna go Washington. I think Washington loses to Tampa.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
I agree, And with that said, I gladly take the
other half of that coin toss. I opened Tampa as
my fifth pick because maybe they win that first one. Yeah,
but then listen, are we riding high off the bojo
of getting Mike Evans one thousand yards and also winning
me my Fantasy League?

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Absolutely? Really? But yeah, beat clearby point and a half.
Thank you? So it was that last catch.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Yeah, so that's great. Uh, that's what it comes down
to boys achievements. So I'm gonna but here, I pick
him to lose. So Tampa, thanks for everything, lose quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
So I think my super Bowl pick is the Chiefs
and the Eagles. So I am taking both of those out. Yeah,
so you're remaining options, h yes, but it's then Bills,
Ravens line Lions. Yeah, so that's where the strategy comes in.

(01:37:15):
Lions have a bye. So do I think the Lions
can if they win two? I mean then in the
Super Bowl. So yeah, Like I don't think that's gonna
be the case. So Lions are certainly a candidate for me.
I Ravens always lose these fucking games. So that's where
it's like, are the Ravens cursed as well? I just

(01:37:37):
believe in them too much, so I can't do it.
I want them to win too much, so I can't
do it. The Bills, though, are a fun team to
root against. They're always fun because clock is right every year,
not twice, not even twice a day. I mean, Bills
are gonna lose, it's just when are they gonna lose?

(01:37:59):
So way the Bills play with the player Broncos. They
could lose to the Broncos. They could That would be
a fun team to lose to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Sean Payne and the Boys, or, as Claire calls him,
who's that hot little man?

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Except Sean Payton?

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Is he really thinks he's cute?

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
Interesting? Show the show her the video of him ripping
a bong at some frat party.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
I forgot about that one.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
It's insane. Do I want to pick the Bills or
do I want to pick the Lions. I'm gonna go Bills.
They're more fun to root against. I want the Lions
to succeed, so I'm pick it with my heart. Lions
are probably the smarter pick with all of their injuries
and the bye week. But that's fun. So top to bottom,
you are rooting against the Broncos, Steelers, Rams, Chargers in Tampa.

(01:38:53):
That's a solid team. I am rooting against the Packers, Texans, Vikings,
Commanders in Bills. That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
You have the highest potential for like success, just because
if your Vikings or Bill's bad hit, it certainly it
means disaster for one of us.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
Someone's that's true, That is true? Yeah, I have I
have some boomer bust picks there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
And actually both of you are. That's smart. You didn't
do this on purpose, but it's a good strategy about you,
which is both of your boomer bust picks are going
against people I've picked, So not only would you, I
mean it'll come down to those two games.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Probably probably, probably. Could the Bills go on to run
and this is their year? Sure, could the Vikings do something? No,
I'm pretty confident Vikings are going to lose at some points.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
Rooting against Tampa's run that would stink Tampa goes out
of Taiar, And I'm like loose.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Lot of people are rooting against Tampa in the first
game though, because I think everyone sort of collectively wants
to see Washington do well without Snyder. That's fun, and
they're playing well. I mean, Tampa could for sure lose
that game. I am the only one rooting against Danver. Yes,
is that true? I think I think you're probably right.

(01:40:16):
Besides Bill's mafia, right, I still can't gauge where people like,
what people and how people feel about the Bills, Like,
I know, everyone thinks they're really good, that's the general consensus.
I'm not there, but I really think Denver could run
for two hundred yards against the Bills this weekend and
Bill's loose, and it would warm my heart. Bill's played

(01:40:39):
people close. Ooh, that's a fun I mean, it's Black Monday.
So we're talking about coach flarings. Bills lose first round,
Mcdermot's done, he's fired, right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
I think, So that's interesting. Okay, who's left where? If
they lose right away, their coaches out, There will be
talk about that. With the Packers.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
There will be. I don't think it'll happen just because
of certain injuries, but if they I mean they're the
seven seed expectations wise, they probably shouldn't have any issue.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
And actually I take that back because when the Lions
and Vikings, like they got eleven wins, with those two
teams getting fourteen and fifteen respectively, so I.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Think the only person there's two teams. If they lose
right away, there will be a large there will be
there will be motivation to get them out, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
And are they both the two seeds?

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
Uh? Yeah, I think yeah, Philadelphia obviously for sure, and
then the Ravens if they keep losing right away, I
mean at some point, yeah, are the is Baltimore the
two seeds.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
Now they're Bills, but you've already said them, so yes,
both two seeds, and along with that that game. It's
not this year, but if the Steelers lose to Baltimore,
it's another in division playoff loss and the street continues
where even though he's never had a losing season, Tomlin

(01:42:13):
will have not won a playoff game since twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
I know that's crazy. And if they lose, that's five
losses to end the year in a row, which is tough.
That three game stretch. Yeah, I don't think like it
is what it is. They were injured, they played three
teams in twelve days, and it was the Chiefs, the Eagles,
and somebody else Baltimore. I think like that's an insane

(01:42:39):
three game stretch in a short period of time without
your number one receiver. So I don't think Tomlin should
be fired, but if they do lose right away, there
will be people talking about it for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Yeah. And oh man, I'm I'm looking at who they've
lost to that stretch. Okay, we've got they've only because
I wanted to know if it was all in division losses.

Speaker 1 (01:43:05):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
It's one. They lost to the Browns in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
Oh hey yeah, Baker Mayfield. Then the Browns got rid
of them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Yeah, correct, twenty seventeen, So there's some gaps. At twenty seventeen,
they lose to the Jags. Okay, so that's the Bortals
run and then lose to the Browns. They lose to
the Chiefs in twenty twenty one, they lose to the
Bills in twenty twenty three. So I mean they've run

(01:43:33):
into good teams.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
That's been the entire thing. Though they ran them to
the Patriots before that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Correct, Well, they they kind of choke at the end
of the season. Hard knocks, by the way, been hard
to watch thee Yeah, they fallowed apart. Tom was trying
to keep the boys fired up. He doesn't know what's
going wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
It's true though at some points, like we have such
a good team, we have a good coaching staff. What
is happening? Awesome? They've been good, They're close games.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
It's the same way. That's like, man, Cincinnati, what do
we do different next year? I don't know, be nicer
to people, have better karma. What do we gotta do?

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
The Steelers do need they need one more receiver. That's it.
They just need one more guy. They restarting at quarterback,
they might be that's something because they looked into the
best deal at quarterback of all time this year. They
could run it back with a cheap quarterback and have
it be Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Yeah, one hundred or some of the other names we
mentioned pre show, Like do they are they they were
in the Trey Lance sweepstakes a year ago? Are they
back in Trey Lance? If bron Bertie's numbers right?

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Arthur Smith I think has uh experience with Mariota multiple stints.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
How much do they like Kenny Pikett Steelers?

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
Not at all? I mean, by the way, I think
Keedny Pickett doesn't like the Steelers either.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
I think I agree that feels like Josh Jobs goes
Pro Bowl spot.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
It does.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
That feels like Drew Locke. Actually, now that I say
it out loud.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Drew Lock's great Drew Lock would be a great pick
for Pittsburgh. White guy, white guy that does help, which,
by the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Way, not their history, but it fits their theme of
like the Mitch Trubisky era as I like to call it,
Mitch tr bhiskey Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
Mister Bisky's contract with Buffalo is probably coming up. What
a cushy backup spot, what a yeah? Incredible he has
lucked into the best job.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Yeah. Him and Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Yeah even Yeah, Carson Wentz was called upon this week
and it was only to play what a quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Yeah, they wanted to save them. We got to save
Carson Wentz, preserve them. Uh No, honestly, you know who's
gonna get calls. I just saw this. We didn't mention
him pre show. Malik Willis.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Oh, he will for sure, and he should.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Yeah, he's look good, by the way, nice pivot there,
turn hand off to Jacobs looking good, buddy, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
He I mean he would be. They should be able
to do just what Justin Fields did with Malik Willis
next year. Honestly, that those two quarterbacks aligne in terms
of play style, because like with Russ and Fields has
two different offenses. If they went Fields and Milik Willis,
that could be cheap and good.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
If I were the pack This is why I'm not
a GM, one of the many reasons why I'm not
a GM. If I was the Packers, I would hear
all calls. I'm Alik Willis, and I would be I'd
ask for a spiteful package from Tennessee. You could have
it back everything you have.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
The first overall pick. That's great, awesome, goak it here. Yeah,
it's draft date. It's Kevin Costner. I want all my
picks pack. You need a quarterback? Are any of them
better than Malik Willis? I would say, now, so we
show you, we showed you how to use them. Yes,
do this you want, honestly what Tennessee should do. Trade

(01:47:19):
for Lafleur and Malik Willis first round pick. Make Laflur
the offensive coordinator, Malik Willis is the quarterback. You're done.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
We bring it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
Yes, we get the first roll overall pick. We trade
that for Vrabel after the Patriots sign him. You get
the first first overall pick.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
Out for good. He's obviously going there. No, I know, Zach,
I've got two. We're already. Let's end strong here. I've
got two fun things. I researched quick. They're both fast
to end the NFL season. They were making such a
big point of how folks finished the year and by
so I took a look at the bye groups to
see there is there a bye week you want, Zach.

(01:47:58):
That's really what I researched. Is there bye week that
is most helpful to you? So what I did was
looked at folks winning percentage before and after the break,
took the average of those, and then these are the
average winning percentage changes from pre buy to post buy
week by week. Do you have a guess to throw
out there when you would want your bye?

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
I would say you want it, you don't want it
too late, just because you risk being terrible up until then.
Like I think the Ravens were in a perfect spot
for late bye week, but I would say I'd wanted
around week ten.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Okay, Week ten to eleven were pretty solid, So I
think that's a good pick by you. The now obviously
gonna go in here. There's some obvious you know. The
better way to do this is maybe sometime I'll do
a five year sample. See what pops up, you know,
over the history, because some of this is it depends
on your grouping. However, percentages, the best one was right

(01:49:02):
away you get your week five by that's interesting, okay
because and I think it says something because there is
something here too. Good teams who really righted the ship
and a bad team that you know, stayed bad but
was slightly improved. So that grouping Lions, Chargers, Eagles, Titans,

(01:49:23):
So obviously there's some bias there of some good teams.
But going into the week five by Lions had one loss,
Eagles had were two and two, Chargers were two and two,
Titans were one and three. So Titans are the only
one of those teams who's winning percentage gets lower because
they go two and eleven after the bye, so that

(01:49:44):
percentage dropped slightly. Eagles improved by forty two percentage points.
The other two teams improved by about twenty, so that
average week folks improved by about twenty percent post by,
which I think makes sense because it's an early like, hey,
let's get our crap together, let's breathe. I think the
Eagles especially are a good example of like and Chargers like,

(01:50:05):
let's figure it out, take an assessment. So that was
the best one, Okay, the worst ones. Again, small sample size,
but it was a two week thing, so I think
there is some here. Week seven and Week nine each
only had two teams on buys. Okay, the Bears and
the Cowboys in Week seven, and then the Steelers and

(01:50:26):
the Niners in week nine.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
I'm not sure if it was the bye week for
those two. Yeah, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
But all that to say, you take that group of four,
even as a group of four, that average comes down
to a negative thirty percentage change for those perfect middle
of the weeks, and I think some of that is
just the numbers of the season so long now to
have a buy in the middle of the season, it's
not like you don't get the end of season push

(01:50:55):
and you don't get the early season reset like I
feel like most seas are kind of fricked by then.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
Anyway, Yeah, yeah, if you need, if it comes down
to your team stays healthy and you're good to go,
I think the middle of the season's probably good or
late season. But if you do need, like the Bengals
would have benefited probably from that Week five by or
something like let's figure this shit out, let's reset.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
I will say though, the Bengals improved one of the
most after their bye because they are four and seven
heading into their week twelve by they go five and
one post.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
Right, right, But if they had that bye week in
week five or six, maybe that was Yeah, if because
I think they're one in four to start the year.
If they did that Week six or something, then maybe
maybe they went out. Who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
I would say what I think this tells me. I
think those numbers are pretty exaggerated, but I would be
surprised if middle bys help anybody. They just don't do much.
You know, you're kind of there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
It's just injury wise's yeah, but it's just is random
if that timing helps you or not. The only other
week where there was a negative difference, weirdly was and
this is definitely grouping because I would say week ten
and eleven that was a plus three percentage change, so
it's about a wash.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
Same with on the flip side. Week twelve was the
only other negative change. It was a minus six percentage change.
But really that comes down to and that was with
the Bengals going on a run. But Falcons Bills Jaguarars
at Jaguars actually slightly improved. So Bill's, Falcons, Saints all

(01:52:42):
really go downhill after that bye.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
Well, typically if you're a bad team with a late bye,
that bye week is when you make the major change, right, correct,
So if you have that young quarterback, if you have whatever,
that's when you make the change for them. Or whatever positions.
So yeah, that ends up meaning either you have a
completely different game plan and you look good after the
quarterback change. I'll uh, Jimmy Garoppolo San Francisco forty nine

(01:53:07):
Ers when he started five and zero there or whatever
to end the season. Or you know, you make the
Michael Pennix change during the bye week or something like that.
That didn't happen, But that's when a lot of those
bad teams make the major change and just say, hey,
full tank mode, let's see what we got were, Let's
see what we got season at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Yeah, I thought the most telling is if you were
shooting for your rooting for your teams by I would
say you're either rooting early or you are rooting late late.
That seemed to be what the numbers were suggesting. If
you could be weeks five or six, that's great, maybe
even seven, but otherwise you're really rooting to be weak

(01:53:47):
like fourteen or twelve. Fine, but those middle ones either
were very statistically non consequential.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
Or depends though, because that's what it all depends.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
It's a bullshit stat.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
But but we're doing baseball set. But like, if if
you are the forty nine ers, or the Lions or
somebody who's just insanely injured. Yeah, like you need that
middle bye just to either bring in people to work
out to fill these fucking spots, or to get one
more week to get people healthy. Because forty nine ers

(01:54:21):
people like that, they were statistically mathematically eliminated by week twelve,
week thirteen, week fourteen. Yeah, they already screwed themselves. So
you don't want to buy a week after you've screwed
yourself if you're a team looking to contend, Like the
Ravens got lucky. Let's pretend Derek Henry got hurt and
had to get put on IR early in the season,

(01:54:42):
they would have been screwed or Lamar obviously like, yeah, lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
What's interesting is sometime we'll go through a deep dive
on the teams who clearly got worse after a bye.
Some of them are like, did the buye impact what
the Bears did?

Speaker 1 (01:54:57):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
The Bears, which they had it later, so they could
have had change and then a bye to like round
the troops, but that didn't make a difference. But seems
like the Cardinals record before and after bye, something happened there.
They got way worse. Sure, Call of Duty season, Call
Duty season. Also, yeah, so there's there's things in the air.

(01:55:18):
What also was in the air, Zach is bad teams
refusing to take This was the most fun thing I
did this week. Here is our This is our firm
bottom ten draft order. This we know as of the
recording of this episode. Because the season is over, number
one overall pick Tennessee Times. Yes, congrats, yep, good for them.

(01:55:39):
They last week, Zach were number two. Okay, the Browns
are your second pick. Wow, good for them.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
While recording, we just found out Deshaun Watson had a
setback in his injury. Surprise. No one's happier than the Browns.
Yeah for sure. Well they trade up one pick. We'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
So Browns are number two, they were number three, Giants
are now number three.

Speaker 1 (01:56:06):
Wow again? Or no, they were four last year?

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
They were they were four last year, Uh, maybe been five,
but they they are three now. They were four last week.
Of course, two weeks ago, Zach, they were number one.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
Ah, good, lock happened.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Tru lock happened. But Zack, you may have noticed all
those teams shifted up one.

Speaker 1 (01:56:28):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Well that is because the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
Joe Milton fucked around, fucking won the game. Congras Drew
Locks gets so much shit. Joe Bilden really screwed this,
he really did. They play though they dropped three places.
They have their quarterbacks, so maybe they're five. It's Joe Milton,
but they're the four. The Jags hold steady at five. Okay,

(01:56:56):
shadow Doug Peterson, who's got free today.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
Gone also maybe free the Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce,
but for now he's still there.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
Yep, bring Graden back.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
They're at six. They move up to this week. They're
the biggest move up tied, so they move up from
eight to six. They flip flop with the team that
just refuses to lose act, but for now they're six.
The Jets hold steady at seven, even with a win.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
Nice good for them.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
A loss they would have slid up, possibly all the
way to five, so that also did hurt them, but
they didn't move, but they hold steady. Bryce Young God.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
Damnit, he reviews is to lose. Yeah again.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
The Panthers at eight.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
Wow, good job, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
They were the number one pick for most of the
season and they dropped from six to eight. Here, so
they flip flop with the Raiders, so they continued their pitfall.
The Saints move up two picks from ten to eight.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, that's good for them. They need it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Yeah, good for them. And then down there at ten.
Oh wait, by the way, they counted wrong. Saints are nine,
so they only moved up one. So that means number
ten was number nine. But they won as well. Stick
it to him. It's the man. It's Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
Hot gotcha. Good job, great job, great win. Played terrible,
but you gotta win.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
By the way, Bears always around number ten. Yeah, for sure,
feels like it so because they traded to get the
Panthers pick.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
Never forget so.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
All that to day, Zach, three teams since week fourteen
have had the number one spot in the rankings, that
being the current Titans, the Giants, and the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
Yeah, all there was after the Panthers lost it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
Correct. However, none, and this was interesting to me, none
of these ten teams have ever since week eight been
not tied for one of these top ten picks. There's
a lot more, you know. The Bengals were in there,
and other teams had bad records and tied of course,

(01:59:23):
and then more games got played. But this bottom part
of the league, like the league has a clear tier
of we are not competitive, and it is these ten teams.

Speaker 1 (01:59:34):
Yeah yeah, and but I mean Ravens lost to the Raiders.
We have some like bad losses to some of these teams.
This year.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
Bears beat the Packers like it should have beat them twice.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
Yeah, yeah, there's Packers were a block field goal away
from not winning a single divisional game.

Speaker 2 (01:59:54):
The famous like the Giants, the Drew lock win is
an obvious like what are we doing? You know, Jets
beat the Dolphins here at the end. Yeah, Bryce youngs
beat everybody when the time's right.

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
Bryce young could be a guy. I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
It's just and listen, it feels like they refuse to tank.
You know, the top three teams all have three losses,
Like so many of these teams are terrible, terrible, so
they're they're bad. But all of these teams at one
point like they're all The Bears are the tenth pick
with six wins.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Yeah yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
Fee five wins. Five So it feels like, oh man,
these teams won too many games, not that many.

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
Not no, no, I mean five wins. Used to feel
a little bit better. But five and twelve, well, part
of it is a bit of a cluster.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
No one you know, lost less than three or one
less than.

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
Three, which is strange. Usually there's a two.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
Usually there's a two random one. Usually there's Last year
there was two teams with two wins.

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
So you're getting better. That's good news.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
They're getting better. But the cluster is stronger, driving away
from the middle class. But uh so, it's just an
interesting thought. But what a roller coaster. Patriots are not
going to get the same hate that Giants did. But
that's crazy. I mean Giants Patriots.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
Boy poor. I'm not saying he deserves the job, but
poor Jared Mayo poor, like he was never gonna be
the coach. No, just hold hold the seat warm for Vrabel.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
Sucks. Yeah, he left.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
On a win, like, get out of there. You were
supposed to lose, your asshole.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Do you think there's any world where he gets to
be on the staff, I.

Speaker 1 (02:01:49):
Mean if he wants it. No though, like with this
type of exit, that's too polarizing, that's too oh yeah,
because he's just there on the team. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I mean there's gonna be players that are fully on
his side if he's there at all.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
Yeah, no, can't do it. Have fun in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
Honestly, you are. You can work for Steve again. Nice
what everyone wants to do. Yep, yep, go learn under
Steve Belichick how to be a head coach.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Just how eber Flus disappears into the tiers of Alabama's
coaching hierarchy.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
I mean, like everybody, man, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
Yeah, Hey, we gave Salah a job that I can't define.

Speaker 1 (02:02:32):
With the Packers, he stands around it just kind of
looks big, kind of Elpha's people. He talks, He draws
attention away from practice. That's good. Packers notably have been
worse since he's come. But that's fine. Yeah, he's got
that magic touch about him. But all that today's act.
Let's end the show here, which is we enter the playoffs.

(02:02:53):
Give me your lock super Bowl pick and your wishful
super Bowl pick. Locke is Chiefs over Eagles, hopeful would
be Lions over Ravens. Probably, Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
I like that. I think my I think my lock
and my wish for are the same. I'm very influenced
by last night's game, But I gotta say I think
the Giants can or Giants They're out.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
They can't do it. They cannot. Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:03:29):
The Lions, I know why they would lose, but that
doesn't mean they will, like I get their so beat
up and maybe that will with them when they beat
some of the better teams. But listen, I don't think
this is gonna happen. But would I be shocked if,
like the Eagles lost to the Packers. No, I'm not
betting on that, but it's like the it's very Eagles

(02:03:50):
to come out and just get Cowboys by the Packers
in Week one. So all that to say, I think
I'm gonna stick with my lock and my hope. Now
I'm gonna difference slightly. My lock is Chiefs beat Lions,
and my hope is Lions beat Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
Sure we do both feel Chiefs are in it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:08):
Though I think the Chiefs are in it. And honestly,
if I want, I kind of want someone anyone from
the NFC to beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
I like what I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
Yeah, that's the more. The Chiefs are a great heel.
Put them in the super Bowl, just don't win them.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
But yes, I'm not sure if I talked about this
with you or either Trevor Or Luke last year. It's like,
we want the Cowboys in the playoffs. They're the heel.
They're the ones we want to beat. Like Chiefs are
great for the NFL. You don't need a root for them,
like we need somebody in the suit. We can't have
two teams we love in the super Bowl and have
it be a great story.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
Actually, they're kind of the only heel.

Speaker 1 (02:04:50):
Right now. Yeah, in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (02:04:52):
Yeah, I'll root like crazy against the Vikings, but nobody
else will. So it's, uh, you know, that's how it is.
But I yeah, I don't know, because otherwise I guess
it's Bills.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
But and I don't know if they're a heel, Like I.

Speaker 2 (02:05:07):
Don't think the Eagles are a heel.

Speaker 1 (02:05:09):
The Ravens. The Ravens could be if things go right,
but I don't think they are at the moment. Yeah,
the only other Eagles can be a heel.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
Eagles will be de facto'hel. That's what I'm saying. I
think it would be Eagles because if Chiefs don't make it,
I think if it's Eagles, anybody we're probably rooting for.
Whoever the Eagles are playing, it'd be interesting if it
was Eagles Ravens, I think that's like just pick one. Yeah,
But otherwise you're rooting for whoever against the Eagles. I

(02:05:42):
will say, I don't know. I was gonna say there's
a lot of poetic justice in and the Eagles Chiefs
rematch without Jason, But I don't know if I want
to see the Eagles win. If the Eagles are playing
the Chiefs, this is what needs to happen. If it
looks like even a second on the clock and the

(02:06:02):
Eagles are about to beat the Chiefs, Jason better get
in that fucking game. I agree.

Speaker 1 (02:06:07):
Let him take the snap. He doesn't need to snap it.
He disgrace if he doesn't take the field. I agree.
Did you watch We'll go on this? Did you watch
his Late night show yet? No? I haven't yet. I
think that's gonna be good though it's it's called Late
Night Earth, so they call it Late Night with Yeah
Jason Kelcey or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:27):
He'll sure, Yeah, I've seen clips. I think it would
be good. I really don't think I'm gonna watch it,
just because like I just don't make it to it.
You know, what are you gonna do? But I mean
that's fair. There's too much content out there. Ww's on
Netflix now, I.

Speaker 1 (02:06:41):
Mean ww's on Netflix. Aw's on backs. I've extended subscriptions.
One Aw's entrance music, by the way to the show
is the Pointer Sisters. Really Yeah, we changed it four backs.
It's a new fresh look and we're coming out to
I'm so excitent. I did interesting. I don't know if

(02:07:02):
that's good or not.

Speaker 2 (02:07:03):
I don't think it is.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
But they do a lot of things that aren't great.

Speaker 2 (02:07:07):
I guess no all the jokes now, it's like, I
hope w W East theme is like the Doomie Brothers,
I'm down doing come out and it's China Groub.

Speaker 1 (02:07:20):
What if they came out to like Marilyn Manson or
something again, like what if they go throw back? That
would be the best case scenario.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
So I want. Everyone's saying making the same ass that
you are, and everyone's like, give you know, Oh God,
I always do this.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
Why can't I think of their name when I need
it most? Who's the band? And everybody hates.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Creed? No Nickelback. Nickelback had a theme. Everyone's like, bring
Nickelback back.

Speaker 1 (02:07:48):
I'm just saying, we need Vince tonight on the show. Okay,
we super flex them. It doesn't matter. Just he needs
to be the show. What if he comes out and
he's like where the hell and then Triple H comes
out pedigrees and that's the last we ever see of Fence.

Speaker 2 (02:08:06):
I mean, that would be great. I'm already coming to
terms with like some guy I like is going to
be out there that is just gonna get thrown a
million miles and be like, oh, Brock's back, great.

Speaker 1 (02:08:15):
Oh God, Brocks come back tonight would be awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:08:20):
There's in the tractor. Yeah, there's a very real chance
Logan Paul walks out WW champion tonight. I need folks
to be ready for that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:29):
Yeah, okay, he is going to be like the face now,
isn't he?

Speaker 2 (02:08:35):
We re signed. There's a lot of rumors that they
want him to be the feature of Netflix and depending
on By the way bet on the Rumble this year,
that was gonna be my other thing if we had
time for it. The rumble is a fun one to
bet on. There's a lot of speculation if but Paul's
rumored is like a long shot to be involved in
the Mania main event. So he's a great person to

(02:08:57):
have in like the last three people to rumble, just
because everyone will be like, no, please not him. Yeah,
but no, the the women's rumble odds are like all
over the place, and the men's rumble it's basically like
you could bet the favorite, which is Sina or everyone
else is like a tie. But the women's rumble, I

(02:09:17):
think there's money to be had because it's gonna I
think the Women's Rumble is clearly going to be someone
who's not It will be a return. It's just who is.
It will either be an NXT call up or it
will be a return.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
Can't wait for Lida to win it?

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
Then Okay, so her and Matt Hardy come out.

Speaker 1 (02:09:37):
That'd be sick. Jeff Hardy fucking drunk on top of
a ladder. Give it to me. That would be surprising China.
So we will Yeah, we will go over that a
different time. We gave you an extra long show today
because we're doing legal shit and we missed the Christmas

(02:09:58):
week are bad, So you got that for you, an
extra long feature film of us going through playing lawyer
for an hour, and then we talked about other stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
And if you remember anything else from this show, but
allegedly fuck Bobby D asked.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
We why not Florry Sports be the definitive Bobby di
As interview? Come and air it out.

Speaker 2 (02:10:27):
Oh I'm willing to learn.

Speaker 1 (02:10:29):
Yeah, come on, I love your side of the story.

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
Here tell me what the fruit joke was.

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
Yeah, it had to be hilarious. What proof? What made
you take your pants off on live TV behind the
cameras assumingly?

Speaker 2 (02:10:44):
How many times did Skip ask you for sex? True?

Speaker 1 (02:10:47):
What did Skip offer you? For sure?

Speaker 2 (02:10:50):
It's true? Thanks for listening to everybody big crowd today.
So maybe morning shows that's the move. Who knows.

Speaker 1 (02:10:57):
Maybe maybe we'll be back next week. See you then,

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