We're Not Gonna Talk About It (Ep. 230)

Zach and Jake talk about MLB Postseason bets, a nuclear fallout, NFL Week 4, and then rank the best NFL fanbases!                       

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, Hey, don't this to play for sports will save
your day? Jokes with sports inside Zack and like they
get it right, Fuck you.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Chick. What's the Titans head coach's name?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
No, don't test me on this right away. Okay, this
is tough because it's not.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Mike Rabel, no no more, no more Rabel.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
But it is the guy who came right after him, right,
he's been there for like two years now.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yep, son of a legend, legend on the staff. His
dad's on this coach? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Is it Turner not?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah? Not North's son?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Is that bad that you said legend? My brain was like,
does norf have a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Legend who I don't think has ever been a head coach?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
To my I don't think I'm gonna think of him.
Then tell me his name.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Brian Callahan.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I bring him up by the first off. I like
Brian Callahan. I like what he's about. I love that
every press conference is extremely pissed off. He's never been
happy in his life. His dad, Joe Callahan's uh, he's
badgery legend. I bring him up. I think he's gonna
be the first head coach fired. We've been all wrapped

(01:37):
up with Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Really, you think he's out.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I think so. He's been right in front of our
face the whole time. And the reason is because they
had the first overall pick. We should have seen that.
If you're not a first year head coach, you got
the first overall pick who's a quarterback, and he doesn't
pan out, you're gone. And I think, and because this
week we're gonna talk about Week four, this is the
first week he's already given up play calling and they

(02:03):
were just as bad. But they're gonna do something there.
I think he might be the first head coach out.
So we're gonna get into a little bit of betting
stuff in a second. With baseball, you're gonna give us stuff.
But if there's still odds out there for first head
coach fired, I don't know. It might not be Mike.
Mike mcdanigel still has to go tonight. He may fire
himself tonight, but it could be the Titans too.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
I came in with a different name. Who's gonna be
the first head coach fired as well?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Is it la floor?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
It is? It is not, dude. Ties aren't losses, No
matter what the internet says.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Okay, I've never seen it's the best.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I hate ties as well. Uh, the stream has something
to do with that as well. Lafleur's lost in some
terrible ways and no one's been this out on him,
and it was a tie. Everyone's more pissed off about
a tie. And same here. I'm not saying I'm alone
agreed to be. Since your awful game, we're finding terrible

(03:03):
ways to not win football games. They had to try
not to win, and they almost succeeded.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
We put it all together too, Like last week, somehow
offense incapable. This week Josh Jacobs is a Hall of
Famer and can't win, absolutely can't win.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Only thing too.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Jerry knew that. By the way, Dak, what a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I mean, agreed any reason I agree though.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Did you see his postgame press conference where he was like,
don't give Micah the sack?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh I did, It's not a sack, that's a stupid rule.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Take it. Who's cared about it until now? I just
did like that. He was like, no one's ever been like,
don't give me that sack. Afterwards he's like, oh, only
the haters will say it's a sack. No take it
like a man. If you didn't care about it, then
you wouldn't care about it. But you can't.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
That's Jerry. Jerry said, he's never wrong with numbers.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Let him know.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Let's see how many sacks he thinks Micah had.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
By the way, Jerry Jones the only one who spoke
in the pregame intro that was about Michael Parsons.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I mean he was questioned about it, but fair.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I know, but Micah didn't say anything. Like they didn't
ask Micah. They didn't ask anyone in Green Bay. It's
just like, Jerry, you're gonna you're gonna take us in.
I like to what he said. He said all the
right stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah that I'm never wrong. I've never been wrong with numbers. Uh,
why would I want one player? We're not gonna have six.
Jerry who played the greatest hits and I agreed with
every single one, By the way, I think he's right.
And then after the game he got to do his
little press conference like usual and he's like, we you know,
they got Micah, we got what we got and we tied.
And he's fully right, by the way, like because he

(04:43):
he got two first round draft picks he might draft too,
micaeh Parsons.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I mean he is correct. It's a funny thing to
be like we've fully drafted futures, like he's never gonna
wear this l though there's no way for him to lose,
which is a well designed ploy by him. But I
don't know what I was gonna say. He made me angry,
but Dak Prescott got him. I guess. Oh, on the

(05:08):
corner the coach who's also going to be fired first
an he guesses who I think will be fired?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Who do you think it is? Yeah, I honestly don't know.
I think it's one of the two.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Who John Harbaugh.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh, I don't think so, Baltimore. It's fair. Those injuries
are insane, though, I mean, he'll get fired if it
does turn out that Labar Jackson's uh faking an injury
like everybody thinks he is.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
That's crazy, that's insane. But the vibes are bad. We're
now teaching folks to hold the ball.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
You know, that's true. No coach has ever screwed up
Derrick Henry before until John Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
So we're screwing up a perfect team and that must
be how the cat Hey, I don't make the rules.
The Twins fired Cobald Delli today. What the hell was
he supposed to do? You know?

Speaker 2 (06:04):
There? But if they fired John Harbaugh, that's not good
because he's gonna go join his brother and then they're
gonna have a super Harbaugh team.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
That's I don't think you thought this through. The new
head coach, Wink Martindale.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh, that would be incredible.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Rex. He keeps talking about how he was in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Rex in Wink and Gruden, let's just form a super team.
Fuck it, that'd be incredible.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I listen, he's only the first head coach fired if
everyone decides to really hold off.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
But how do you feel about this comment?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Heye, Trevor.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Fair, Now you're gonna go in. I was the leading
good it I was.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I was. I was gonna tell him to half off.
Let me recenter, hete Trevor, fuck you dude, no way. Okay, yeah,
here we are. It was a good I feel good
about it. I stand by it.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Okay, I mean, let's just transition it because baseball playoffs
are apparently going to still happen. Who knew? I don't
know anything they do? Okay, great, I already have some
bets in that I placed before the season, and I
feel good about them. But Jake has been watching baseball.
He knows what's going on, and he has some other

(07:23):
bets for us to play. So this is what we're
gonna do. It is baseball season technically still I don't know,
but it's NFL season. So I'm gonna set a timer
Jake for ten minutes, and when the timer goes off,
we gotta get out of here. I mean, by the way,
last last week, I did play a thing about a

(07:44):
nuclear bomb and positive reviews from everybody. Absolutely. Nobody hated that.
Nobody thought that was bad. So maybe it'll come back.
Who knew if you were upset by that, grow up?
Like one, grow up, do you think they're announcing a
nuclear attack on the Flory Sports podcast? Thank you, thank

(08:06):
you for that, But I don't think you did that, honest.
Everyone's just like, why did you do that? Like I was,
I was scared, Like do you think that's happening? One?
And two? Did you have another screen on? And you thought? No, no, no.
They need to talk through these guys right now because
everyone's watching the Floury Sports podcast. Let's make the announcement here.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
That's so true, or like we were on the network,
Like it's like that would work some out, like all
of twitch is.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Everyone turned into the biggest boomer of all time. Werds
like they took over our screens. Every screen turned to
the Like, that's not how the internetworks. Relax, take take
a breather. You're dumb. It's fine. We have a growing experience. Also,
I would say this is my real thing to folks. Okay,
you made it. You're good. Zach wanted to get you,
and he got you. You want Zach to not do

(08:56):
something again?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Never mentioned it.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I got I got too many people.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Though, people, Hey, can I throw something out there?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
All engagement's good.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
No, I'm not upset by it. I'm just like, oh
my god, it's the first time I looked at my
audience here. I'm like, I'm a little nervous. I understand.
Usually it's like a reflection of like who the people are,
and all of a sudden, everyone got got that's not
my audience.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
That you might have to do it more often, train
them in.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I guess it's gonna be pavlof whatever we do it,
We're gonna give you a little treat and then all
of a sudden, nuclear bobs come it, and you are
gonna be the ones on the front line ready to eat.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Exactly the opposite about psychology works. We're literally, boy who
cried whopping them? They're not gonna be more prepared.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
They're not gonna be prepared for the actual event, but
they're gonna be prepared. We're not gonna run away. They're
gonna be on the chin. Yeah that's true. Something's gonna happen,
natural disasteral strike, and they will turn to us. And
that's kind of kind of what we want, you know,
we need. There's leaders, there's followers. We're just preconditioning them
to be the followers. That's how cults work. We're building it.

(10:10):
Should we talk about baseball, dude, let's do it. So
you got ten minutes on the clock. So there's going
to be some bets. There's going to be some things
happening in the baseball postseason. I have no idea who's
in other than the Brewers and I assume the Dodgers.
Literally nothing else I know. Nice, So you got ten
minutes to explore the space talk about baseball. You can

(10:30):
riff and just tell us some bets. Tell us how
to make money on baseball starting now.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, this is the audience, folks. All right, I'm as simmon.
We're clipped in, so welcome to the clip. We're timed up.
All right, I got ten minutes baseball talk. My goal
today win you some money on baseball. I watch baseball
so you don't have to. So here's the deal. We're
into the playoffs. Welcome. We've just played one hundred and
sixty two games for each team to make it. Here.
Your team's twelve teams in the playoffs, ach, okay, count

(10:59):
them to do this off the dome on the AL side,
six teams, that being the NL East champion Blue Jays,
the AL champion Guardians, the AL West champion Seattle Mariners,
and then your three wild card teams, which are the
New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox, both joining

(11:20):
the Blue Jays in the East, and then the Detroit
Tigers also coming out of the Central.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I would have guessed maybe one of those teams are
in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Wile, by the way, Tigers choked up a twenty one
and a half game a lead on the last day
so that the Guardians won the division now they go
to Cleveland for the playoffs. That's my favorite story, live
by the way.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Where they want it, got it?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, yeay. You gotta win the games, dude, every game counts.
On the n L side, You've nailed the big ones.
Dodgers won the West, Brewers won the Central of best
team in baseball over all. The Brewers, Uh for now,
we'll find out. That's why we played the games. Phillies
in the East. So I think those are three big
names joining them, big name Padres, okay. And then it

(12:11):
is the Cubs or the second team out of the
n NOW Central, and then the third team out of
the NL Central catching the Mets on the last day.
No Mets at all in the playoffs. Sac it is
instead the Cincinnati Reds.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's shocking, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
And shocking to baseball fans. Was it supposed to happen?
Shocking to the Mets, who spent more money than most
of the league's budget on Juan Soto alone didn't make
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's tough. It makes you makes you think a couple
times before writing a five hundred million dollar check at that.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I think so, especially one that lasts for fourteen years.
So or you could be like show Hayes put them
on a payment plan for thirty five. But Zach, that
is our playoff picture. The wild card two teams from
each league are by so four of those teams are
playing each other, the lowest division winner, and then the
three wildcard teams are all playing. So the top two

(13:08):
in each division. In the AL that's the Blue Jays
and the Mariners, and the n L that's the Brewers
and the Phillies. They have buyes.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
So is this considered the wild card round?

Speaker 1 (13:20):
This is the wild card?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Fuck? Okay? So I did bet the Brewers to lose
in wild card and to lose in the next round.
I bet still them. So one already is eliminated. So
now I need them to lose their first series.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, I was gonna say, how does that work? Yeah,
they gotta buy Sorry, dude, bad news off the gap.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's fine, that's fine, got them right where we want them.
They're going to lose.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
So first, I have some general tips for folks. Okay,
so yes, note about format if you want to get
involved in the playoff structure. This wildcard round best of
three series all played in one location.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
So really is that new?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Uh? Recent to like the last.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
All in the home team's location, or they're all coming together.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Oh, home team's location. They're not all thunderdome pandemic. No,
so all the home teams location. So, for example, huge
deal that the Guardians passed the Tigers because now they
host all three games in Cleveland as needed, So best
of three, then best of five against the teams with
the buys. Those are set, so we already know. You

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can check out the bracket online who these teams would
play in the second round, and then best of five
in the divisional series. Then there's a best of seven
championship series for each league, and then the World Series.
So zach, that's the general layout. Here's tips for betting.
What you need to know to make money. Okay, Okay,
since they've moved to this format, they have had twelve officially,

(14:50):
they've had twelve of these series, ten of which have
been won by the team who wins game one.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
That seems like a flaw. Okay, it is.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
There are a couple of flaws to this A three games,
they should just do one, And I think that's what
they're gonna revert back to after this new CBA because
it has to be one or five. Three isn't enough
for anyone to adjust slash like to win. You know,
whatever goes right for you in game one, the odds
you get it again in game three pretty high. So

(15:21):
uh yeah, anyway, that's a good bet. So as you're
making bets, I would I would not bet too many
like hedge bets of like, oh, I think one team's
gonna win game one, but maybe not the series, not
the way these go. If you think a team's gonna
win game one, that should one hundred percent be your
bet for the series, just by odds. Also, Zach, if
you're hungry, better like yourself. Someone looks really good in

(15:44):
game one of these series hammer game two. These are
not the Most of these get wrapped up in two
game sets, So those are the percentages, but that's how
that typically works. Another thing that happens zac is that,
unlike other playoff format, teams with a buye in this
baseball setup are often not favored about fifty percent. It's

(16:05):
actually slightly higher than that. Fifty percent of the high
seeds will lose in the second round since they've gone
to this system. It was a lot higher that than
last year. A lot of the favorites won a year ago,
but before that it was like two thirds of underdogs
one on the divisional game weekend. So that's good for
your Brewers. Bet the odds, say.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
So, who do the Brewers play?

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Like?

Speaker 2 (16:26):
What is going to be one of which teams?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yes, the Brewers are going to play. I'm pulling that
up right now, the playoff bragget the Brewers.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Can do that after if you want, because you have
four minutes left and then we got to get out
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Okay, I'm speeding up. That's good to know. The Brewers
are playing the winner of the Cubs and the Padres.
So yeah, there you go. Good to know. So that's
what's happening there. So I would also say, pick the
teams that look the best out of round one, no
matter who they're going against. You have pretty good odds
for round two because they might not be favored, but
the odds are fifty percent the underdogs are going to win,

(16:58):
So I can get into that. If I had more
than ten minutes, maybe I will someday, but for now,
that's what you get. So now we can the specific
bets aach. Okay, So for this first round, specific bets
that I like for the series. Let me find this
year well. First of all, a reminder overall that repeat
winners for World Series very unlikely in baseball. We haven't

(17:21):
had a repeat winner since two thousands, so the Dodgers
would be climbing a tall hill to do that. But
it's just not as likely as it is in other places.
So that is a good thing to know there. Otherwise,
for winning this first set of series series winners, i'd
like I was like, where are the bets? Okay, here
they are series winners. I like. Okay, Yankees, I like them.

(17:42):
I think they're probably my favorite to win the AL
just overall, if I'm not thinking about World Series, just
like getting there, I think Yankees over Red Sox is
one I really like. I would this is my one
bet to use ac the odds on Cleveland right now.
You can get really good for Cleveland just because they
made this huge comeback. Detroit's shinn their pants, Cleveland's playing

(18:06):
out of their mind. I would bet Cleveland to win.
I think that's a good one. Padres to upset the Cubs.
They're healthier, they've been in a tougher division. That would
be my pick there. I think most folks agree that
the better team. They're just that's a coin flip, so
I don't love it as much as the other two,
but I still would nudge towards the Padres and then

(18:28):
not who I think is gonna win the series. But
if you are choosing to bet on the Reds Dodgers series,
I would bet Reds. Right now. You can get some
Reds odds for plus two forty three. The Reds are
hot coming into the playoffs, and they have, in most
people's opinion, to the best starting pitchers period, so I
think it's really likely they could win Game one, and
as I just showed earlier, that means they've got a

(18:50):
good chance to win the series. So not that I
think that's the likely outcome, but that's the best odds
you're gonna get for a fun bet. So if you're
gonna bet that, if you want, I bet the Dodgers.
I have different ways to bet the Dodgers later.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
So better coming ninety seconds though.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Oh Jesus Christ, Okay, you want a fun prop pick,
pick the starting pitcher of your favorite team left in
the playoffs to earn the win that game. Last year,
all every pitcher who won in game one was the
starting pitcher for their team. Five of the eight starting
pitchers in Game one went over six innings last year.
That means your odds are really high, so folks don't

(19:26):
want to use their bullpens. Bet on a pitcher to
get the win. You could even hedge against each other
first time random bets. I'd like first time winner bet
yes plus one aighty five. Three of the twelve teams
in have never won a World Series before one quarter
odds is pretty fun, so yeah, or you can hit now,
I guess, but to those winners, Brewers best team in baseball,

(19:47):
and Mariners are a lot of people's pick have never won.
So there's ever time for you to get that bet
right Now's the time winning division. This would be how
I bet the Dodgers hedge with plus three point forty
in the the NL West, Like, if you think the
Dodgers are gonna win the World Series, that's better odds
than just betting the Dodgers. So and then you get
the Padres added in two, so interesting. Yeah, winning league.

(20:12):
I would do al plus one ten because the NL
is better, but they're also going to beat each other up. Yeah. Lastly,
this is my end. I know on that time. My
favorite to win the series is pick a favorite. I
know there's a lot of upsets, like I mentioned, but
they all get weeded out at the end. That's what
the Dodgers did last year. So my pick would still
be the Phillies plus four to twenty five.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
The following message is transmitted at the request of the
United States government. This is not a test. A nuclear
attack was commenced against the United States suit.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
You can't resist an immedia conference when you drop a
bob that hot, I mean they're gonna issue a warning.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Shakes, so true, Philly is the one who's gonna win.
Ready for this act. This is the bet to make
Cleveland to win it. They have the second most playoff
experience in the AL. Their odds for them to win
it our plus three thousand. Okay, they just yeah, they
just went twenty one and seven in the last month.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, so plus yeah, they're in the Ale.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
This is a sad thing to say as a sports writer.
I think whoever beats the Brewers is in the World Series,
and then they lose to whoever. Because this is what
happens with Wisconsin sports teams. They get upset and then
We're like, you know, as long as we lose, we lost,

(21:46):
and that stinks. But at least we can lose to
the champion of the whole thing, because then it's like
their second best and then they lose in the in
the championship. I'll a forty nine ers, I'll a bunch
of teams like that. That's how that works. So that's
if we're betting Wisconsin sports trends. That's what I would
do for the NL side.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I think that makes sense, like or them losing to
bitter rival Chicago, like when they've been better than the
Cubs all.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Year, might be one and the same.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Oh so true. But those are my bets. That's not
necessarily who I think is gonna win it. Here's the deal.
I really like Seattle, no shot, dude, I'm just not.
It'd be like if the Browns had a really good year,
let me.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
See it, you know. I just they're the Blake Bortles Jakes.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
They've never made the World Series. Everyone's like they have
the best offense and they've pitched really well. We'll see,
you know. I don't know. So someone's gonna beat them.
I just don't know who. But I agree with you
I think, if I had to pick, I think it's
Phillys Yankees. But the Al's a crab shoot.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
So how close were the Astros to making it?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Just not very close, not at all, not not, are
you dude? The Houston got eliminated on the last day.
They got eliminated because Cleveland won on a hit by pitch.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
So if one of the teams mysteriously doesn't show up,
does that mean.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
The sixth call no longer.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Than the sixth call?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Hey, on the A L side, maybe they're the sixth call.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I like those odds. Bet the Stros never give up the.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Saying number one. I thought you were still talking about
your a's No.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
No, no, no, no no no, no.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
A's a call six Astros are call number one. They
missed by one game.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Bet them. I don't know if any sports book is
has the balls to put their odds up still, but
don't count them out.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I was desperate, Like, can I not just bet how
long a guy's gonna pitch? Because you should definitely bet,
Like if the line is six and a half, go under.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Go under.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah. Six was like the limit that folks were letting
one guy last year in the first series, which is
when they would let him pitch the most went more
than six.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
A lot of times they'll post that as outs, like
pitching outs instead of.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
That makes sense. Yeah, it depends on the line. But
it's like, especially if somehow the lines like I think
six and a half would be where most folks said,
a lot of folks are gonna get six. So if
it's five and a half, bet over, if it's six
and a half, bet under. I think the polem at
six pretty.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Traditionally interesting, Okay, And of.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Course I don't have to tell real baseball fans like
you this act before any peasants who have to be listening,
like Trevor Land do read up in case you find
out that the team like the who did I just hear,
was going to do this today. Some teams are not
really gonna throw starters that long. They're gonna do pitching chaos.
So but you can read that ahead of time. Cubs
are gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
After Game one, all the Cubs are coming in with
pitch chaos. They're destined. Team of destinies.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah uh yeah, team uh, we'll see. I think everyone's
doing it, so then no one can Jake looks intense.
That's my bad seconds phenomenal. That's better. It's like the
time we asked about AI and it gave me all
the compliments.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
It was like, yeah, he's not a fan of me.
I've been saying a lot of thank you to my
AI lately, just trying to get on their good side
when them over a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Just crack. But that's our baseball talk, dude. Now the
main event, that's how you make money.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's how you make money. Sets you up for your week. Yeah,
quit your job whatever, you know, if you were order lied.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Uh the Red Sox.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Jake does not think so. Jake likes the Yankees. Now
let's talk about real sports. Let's talk about the NFL.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
The Indiana fever.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I So there's a couple of things we want to
talk about today. So first off, we got to give
our two storylines. We gotta we gotta settle on our
two storylines for the week. I want to talk about
how we fix the NFL overtime as Randy has perfect timing,
because no game should ever end in a tie in
any sport, much less real football. Can't do it, so
we need to brainstorm some ideas of how to how

(26:16):
to settle the score at the end of the game,
what they need to do in time expires, We'll do that,
and then we will, as always spin the wheel and
rank the top ten teams for that given choice. I
added a few new things. If you have any suggestions
to go in the wheel last second, what you want
us to rank NFL teams on, submit them or if

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you're watching this after the fact, definitely submit them then
as well. Jake, do you want to do storylines first
or do you want to solve NFL overtime first?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Let's do overtime in case it doesn't come up in storylines.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay, it's gonna come up. We can do that one
and the same. I mean, let's yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
The storyline that's your top two.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Okay, Okay, I mean the tie is essentially the biggest storyline, right.
NFL Sunday ends with a tie. My parentheses was nobody
won the Mica and Parsons trade. That's what the game was.
Who wins Michael Parsons trade? Nobody won. But this is
my thing, the longest day in NFL history. I assume

(27:24):
I didn't look it up. I can only assume because
it started with an international game. Then we have the
two time slots. Then we have a primetime game. Primetime
game goes to distance, all of overtime ends in a tie.
It's just the worst day of football of all time.
Like we had such a good build up, we had
such a good NFL Sunday going longest most football of

(27:47):
all time, and then it ends in a tie. What
a bitter, sour taste in your mouth to end the
day to end essentially week four. And then we got
two Monday night football games tonight and they overlap. Not good.
Not good. So my biggest storyline is the tie. It
just has to be the tie. I think it's I

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mean it's the second most or first most points ever
recorded in a tie. Also, now home teams were three
hundred and zero when they scored forty plus points did
not turn over the ball, and we're at home. Obviously
that record is now three hundred zero win one. That's terrible.

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That's a couple of storylines in one. But the tie
has to be number one.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Jake right, I didn't have it, And my only reason
for not doing it is I feel this way every
time there's a tie, and then we forget about it,
and so I just think this one, maybe.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
This was they were the Super Bowl team. Everyone talked
about the Packers are under They're gonna go undefeated. Well,
I now it's a tie.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I guess that was my thing. It's like my more
takeaway from the game. And I didn't know if it
was storyline enough is I think it continues to show
that the Packers are like not there. Yeah, they're mid
is very fair, but I I get it. It was
top three for me.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I just had different than just a tie though.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Pri time.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
There you go. That could be the title of the show.
Who knows what.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
It's definitely more of a visual joke. I realized that
as I said it out loud, that's gonna pop. What
do you capitalize?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Just t I e mm hmmm. When everyone really thinks
about it dissects it, I're gonna have a good little chuckle.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
They're going wild in the comments right now. I can
feel it, right Randy, but the people going But I
had tuned front. I had what I thought was a
slam dunkle. I thought you might go tie. The other
one I thought was fair is I had my Ravens
die slash is lamar okay, a big time game against

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the Chiefs, and it just didn't look close like Chiefs are, like,
you know, to be alive, you must kill someone. That's
what it felt like to me, Like the yeah, couldn't
be more alive, and it's because they killed the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
The Chiefs are all the way back and the Ravens
are officially dead. According to everybody feels dead.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
So that was one, especially with the injury add in,
like one miserable game.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
First agreed, Agreed, They're one of the Super Bowl favorites.
I did tweet out immediately following the game for everybody
to go and hammer the Ravens to make the playoffs.
That is my lock of the century in my opinion,
So I agree that I think the storyline for the
week is that the Ravens are dead. I think that's

(30:37):
probably the second one. However, let me show you the
Ravens schedule, and there is no shot they missed the
playoffs in my opinion, I got it right here. Okay,
so Ravens are one in three officially dead. They got
the Texans in the Rams. Two tough games. Okay, let's

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just say they split. Let's just say they go two
and five home against Chicago at Miami, at Minnesota at
the Browns home against the Jets, the Bengals, the Steelers
at the Bengals home against New England at the Packers
at Steelers, What's name a game that they are not
going to be favored in any of these after the bye,

(31:24):
like they have this entire run to get healthy, to
shore up the defense, to get that figured out. I
tweeted that out. But the vibes are bad. Vibes are bad,
and I did tweet that out before I found out
Matabike is out for the rest of the year, which
I think is a very big deal on their defensive line.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
They're really hurt. I mean, that's the full context is
they're really hurt.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
They are, but they are not losing to the Bears
Dolphins at Minnesota's tough, but I think they beat them.
Minnesota's whole thing is they get a pass rush and
then they shut down the person. If Lamar is healthy
and can run around, it's not gonna matter. They're not
gonna lose the Browns, Jets, Bengals, Steelers. And then that
second Bengals game, you know, maybe Joe Burrow's back for

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but I'm still not taking them to lose that. And
then New England at the past Derrick Henry at Lambeau
in December, No, thank you. And then I assume the
last game of the season is gonna come down to that,
whether they make the playoffs or not something like that.
You know. So, I don't know. I don't think the
Ravens are dead. I agree that it's a storyline, one

(32:30):
of the biggest storylines this week. But if anyone thinks
the Ravens have no shot, I tell you, go look
at the Chiefs last year or two years ago, or
three years ago or four years ago, or go look
at the Ravens last year when we had this exact
same conversation, because it happens every year. Quit falling for it.
It's not a nuclear bomb. Stop it. It's the Fury

(32:53):
Sports podcast. Relax.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Can I say that? Can I be the sports talk
guy for a second?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (33:01):
When when? If ever like this? It's a fine line.
And I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're usually right
on this stuff, and I think you might be right
here too. I think it is a fine line of
what could ever possibly get John Harbaugh fired? And I
think it's a hard part of like do you ever
fire a good coach? Maybe the answer is now. But

(33:22):
if it always happens, if they're never quite as good
as they could be, then maybe eventually that straw breaks.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
You know, they're not going to fire them in season,
but this was their schedule last time.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
If they want to hire Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
That's true, that's a very good point.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Get ahead, start.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah there, I think they could fire their defensive coordinator,
which I think is very valid.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, and listen, I agree with you, like in a vacuum,
they're so hurt. They're so hurt. It's not a coach issue.
I'm not as worried about the schedule to your point
as I am like the vibes in the the health
is and what I'm worried about mainly the health.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Even still this is this week, their offense didn't look
very good. There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Derek Henry seeing ghosts.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Man, when's the last time their offense looked bad.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Besides this year? When this year they've had stretches in
every of the last three games where it's like the
fourth quarters have not been good. And I maybe that's
not what you're asking, but I just you know, it
happens more and more it's a feature, not a bug.
But I they've scored.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
They've scored forty forty one and thirty last week. They
look bad. Their offense has been one of the best
in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I know, man, but they need fifty they do, and
that's why they need to fire their defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I'm worried every d lineman. But this team's round and
make the playoffs. The Bengals aren't going to beat them
in the division. The Browns aren't going to beat them
in the division. And are we crowning the Steelers who
are going to go nine to eight or ten and seven?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
If they're loving I I was gonna say, you'd be
very disrespectful to the future ten and seven Steelers.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think that's yeah. I love the Steelers. I think
I hope they go all the way. But do you
know with Kelvin Austin the third who I'm sure you
know very well, Jake and everybody else at home loves
who is their wide receiver too? Now in Pittsburgh, nobody
knows and you know who it is, Ben's Scarnic.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, They're gonna run the table like Raymond.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I I think so. I think this hurts my opinion
of them as like I guess I am in my
head like comparing them against the Bills and the Chiefs.
Sure the division, they're gonna make the playoffs, but you know,
so are the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I just think maybe not if not, if Joalt gets
hurt worse.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Than that's true, I have a better example, so are
the Jags. And it's like, you know, playoffs does not
mean hope is.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
A lo I hate Liam Cohen with every game. That
dude is the cheesiest fuck reval. Did you see him
after the game?

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I just saw the one clip where he was like
making a really weird face. I didn't even hear anything.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
On the field. He waited until a bunch of people
came so he could fake getting held back, and then
he went to Robert Salah and said keep my name
out your fucking mouth, and he kind of had to
get separated, but not really, as if Salah wouldn't absolutely
give that nerd swirly.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
For hours only talk shit when people are there to
hold him back.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
He waited like he was by Salah, and then he
waited for people to come and then he said it
and then he like tapped up one of his coaches.
It was the dumbest thing ever seen.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
That whole team is bad.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Talk about vibes are off, they need.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
The only thing they got going for them is the
vibes are consistent. Do you think that's why Brian Thomas
Junior is a fucking black hole on my fantasy?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Not just Brent Tom's junior is a star not getting used? Right?
Who's the other star there? Who's who? Did we hear about?
To absolute exhaustion? Have you seen a Travis Hunter highlight?

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yet? One? Yesterday? You had a good catch? First one
I saw great, and but it's the exception that proves
the rule. I literally was like, oh, good for Travis.
Are they using him now?

Speaker 2 (37:33):
No, they're just so bland. I don't understand. They have
no riz, they have.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Nothing so besides the Ravens, I agree with you on
the tie. I mean, the tie is the right answer,
the one I went with because I thought it was
more fun than just tie. I guess I'm protesting the
tie is did Jackson darter bus dog? He's here, he's

(37:58):
making plays. And here's what It's a storyline before oh
so lucky, so lucky, before you jump in. This is
why it's a storyline, folks. They're doomed. There's they can't
do anything now but play him. This is the only
way to save their jobs. And this is it Like

(38:20):
Dart somehow pulls this off and is great. And I
guess Dable and Shane somehow coached there and managed there forever,
which is kind of hilarious.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
They're hoping Mara's caught up in his cancer diagnosis and
forgets he owns an NFL team.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, but I mean the dude, yeah, tz and P's
also you gotta get when you come back to the game.
I hope Dart's thrown well for you.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
It's crazy, dude, if he gets a make a wish,
he is asking for sake one back?

Speaker 1 (38:52):
He is? How is Joe Shane still there? It's uh,
but Dart, it was a big story. He looked good.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Neighbors's done so yep, So we'll see how that goes.
And they have not yet played any of the defensive
lines that people are actually worried about this stretch.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Like I didn't think they were going to put him
in yet because the chance of ruining a rookie is
so high if he has to go up against like
a bunch of buzzsaw defenses, and I'll show you the
schedule right now. They somehow lucked into a win while
losing Melik Neighbors. So now he gets the Saints and
then he has Eagles, Broncos, Eagles, Niners, Bears, Packers, Lions,

(39:40):
Patriots will be tough at that point, like without Maleak Neighbors.
They the reason why they celebrated so heavily against the
Chargers is that they are just trying to be like, hey,
you're good, You're good to go, everything's fine, rainbows and butterflies,
because they need his confidence at absolute top tier and

(40:01):
they need to keep it there. They're gonna have to
lie to him week in and week out if they're bad,
which they probably will be, because now he doesn't have
a go to receiver, he has very little talent around him.
He's gonna play a bunch of really good defenses and
he's gonna get hit a ton, and the chances of
them ruining him for the rest of his career is
so high.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Now he's on Justin fields in there's no there's no
reverse on this Matt Naggy time machine. He's in Raider Shine.
Yeah you they have two other quarterbacks who started in
the NFL last year.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
They're gonna they're gonna try to trade Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, if you were a team, do you think they
end up trading Russell or do they end up training Jamis.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
That's an interesting thing because I think if I'm a
team calling, I think I want Jamis. If I'm the Giants,
I want Jamis. So I think they're just gonna wait
for a team to be so desperate they take Russ.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, that's in interesting. I wonder what that internal conversation
is because I think that's where most are going to
start the price tags better and some have already done it.
There's no world where the Bengals called about Mike White
but not about Jamis Winston. No way. So right, that
probably tells you that they're reluctant in some way to

(41:19):
do a big trade right now.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
But someone's gonna, like there's gonna be more injuries that
pop up, right like, and might be jack Belcar, maybe
Jackson's tart True get killed. Yeah, but yeah, there's a
lot of teams around the league that are very close
to needing a quarterback. I think the Panthers could go
to Andy Dalton again the Saints. Who know. I think
the Saints are going to start tays some Hill in

(41:42):
two weeks. But like, there's some teams that are going
to call for a quarterback. Falcons seem very unwilling to
do anything with Kirk Cousins. So it's gonna have to
be Russ or Jamis or somebody like that. It's not
gonna be Kirk Cousins, who might be cooked. Actually when
we I saw him, he does not look good anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yeah. Can't wait for all the people, by the way
to come out criticizing the Saints for doing what they
should do and not playing Jaylen Milroe yet.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, yeah, Tyler shuck but yeah, true. Where's Milrow Seattle?

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Oh my bad, give him a shot.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
He's sitting behind Sam Darnold, who is You know what fine,
do what you gotta do?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
He's alive. Sorry, Tyler ship by bad got them confused?
But give him a shot?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah why not? Oh no, we might lose?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, so different than New York. But yeah, so those
are my two. But I do agree with you. I
think the two stories are the Tie and the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's those are the
two things everybody's talking about today.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, that's so true. Jackson Dart's just what comes on
fifteen minutes into Sports Center. You know, it's like the
third thing that comes up, by the way, this rogie.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah, and I mean it's New York market, right, so
they have to talk about it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, for sure. Well, and he looked good against a
really good team. It's just not an omen of things
to come.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Are the Chargers a really good team or are they
only good against the division because Harbaugh said those are
the most important games.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
So weird, there's some weird coaching happening. M what's happening
in Carolina? I've held it in as long as I could.
What are we? Are we good? No? Are we terrible?
I don't know, Like, yeah, is there a plan? I
don't know what was the built on board material? Last

(43:43):
week when they put up thirty unanswered that.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, that was odd. That seems like a fluke.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
They gave it all back this week they did.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Like, I think they're very andy Dolmes played a couple
of times. Now they might fully switch to that. If so,
why are they just gonna tank for a new quarterback?
That's weird. Vegas is weird too, and I respect Vegas coaches,
but their coaching decisions so far are weird. With Pete Carroll,
Chip Kelly, it's just been a weirdly coached team. I

(44:14):
don't know what's going on there.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, I don't. I don't really get what's happening there.
I don't. You already brought up the Titans. I thought
that was one that was weird to me out. I
don't really understand anything that's happening in Arizona. I'm not
gonna pretend to I don't. And what's the plan? Is

(44:37):
he the plan? Like? Is this the plan not working?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I think they're they feel like they feel like they're
fine with mediocrity. They're just like, well, we kind of
committed to them. What are we supposed to do? Our
hands are tied. We can't do anything about that. That's
why I feel like they're not trying to get better.
James Conner goes down. They're like, I mean, we can
still make games competitive though it's okay. And no one

(45:05):
talks about their head coach either, Jonathan Gannon. Nobody says
a thing good or bad about that guy. He's just there.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, Yeah, he's just around.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
He's just that's so true. No one ever brings ab
up no yet. And this isn't me criticizing him. People
don't even acknowledge his existence, no.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Cause it's like, Okay, we talked about this a little
bit last week, like what, we don't have to go
team by team unless you want to, but we don't
need to like what percentage of NFL, let's say fan bases,
but then we can go teams. Fan bases are like, yeah,
this coach nailing it, Like I feel really good about

(45:50):
our coach.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Very very low because even the good teams. Who's the
best team in the NFL right now? I would say
it's between two, It's between Siriani and and Eagles and Bills,
right yeah, And if I don't think either of those,
fan bases are like, yeah, we got the coach.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Now. If the Bills, by the way, yeah, you're so right.
If the Bills go out before the championship brown this year,
they'll be calls for Sean McDermott.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Like, and I think that's that's fair. And then Alice
fans just hate their head coach vault all the time.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
So like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Think Syriotty is good, but if they if they don't
score two touchdowns in the first half next week, he'll
get booed.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I just don't I think you're right. Maybe the answer
is that it's nobody because it's like the Steelers fans
are Tomlin, It's chiefs are in for.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Sure, Raiders happy to be there.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
We're all in on Pete Carroll. That's so true.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Broncos for now.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
I couldn't love Rabel Moore. I don't know if any
of the new coaches in new spots are like besides,
Pete are like well well accepted, like.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
The Jets are. Could go either way tonight, I think
even though I haven't won yet.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
And that's the distinction of like it's a total flip
where I'm sure most organizations are like, yeah, this is
our dude. I think the Jets still really like Aaron Yeah,
as they should probably, but I think, so, what do
you think Saints fans thing if you like that experiment's working.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I mean, I I think that's the worst coaching staff,
one of the worst I've ever seen, So I hope
they don't think that's good. I think fuck, I just
forgot his name.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
What Cowboys are happy?

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Cowboys are happy? It's the coach we always says overlooked.
You know, we don't know why the Buccaneers coach.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Oh uh top Bulls.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Bulls, thank you. I'm like, I'm doing the exact thing
I hate. I can't think of his name.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
No love Todd Bulls. Yeah. See, that's a good one.
Like do people like folks we know are good? But
it's like, are Texans fans in on Demiico? Like where
we at on some of these guys we know are good?

Speaker 2 (48:13):
And Vikings fans know Kevin O'Connell's the dude.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
They know, they love them more than anything. Oh, it
couldn't be more in that's so fair. It's other people
who are doubting Dan Campbell, not Lions fans.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Yeah right, and even that I think is past couple
of weeks. Yeah, so maybe a quarter of the league
is good with their head coach.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
May think that's fair. Since you brought up the Vikings,
can I tell you what my least favorite thing is
that we have to be subject to now J J.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
McCarthy on the sideline or that's.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
True, get rid of them. The NFL can't. I won't allow.
This is me stepping in. You've gone too far. You
can't start trying to convince me that you think Brian
Flores is kid, because I know it. We all know it.
Do you know any things I've seen the last week,
they're like, boy, this Vikings defense, No one's talking about him,

(49:14):
how well coached they Oh, it's almost like Brian Flora
should be fucking coaching somebody. We know, dude. I like
several social media things where like it's a hidden jam.
I don't know if the fans are talking about this.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Fuck he's gonna you get interviews. I can't believe he's
back as coordinator. Me neither. You're so right. The amount
of times is like this guy, he's one of the
best coordinators. I'm surprised he was back as a coordinator
this year. Did he interview anywhere? Because I don't think
he did. I don't think he got the call.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
No, is he ever gonna get it anywhere? And everyone's
just like, I don't know if people know this, but
he's a really good coach. He always was. I was
mad when he went to Minnesota. I'm happy that he
got a job. I was pissed he went there.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
The Steelers could have had him as a defensive coordinator
and passed on him. That's how like pushed out of
the way he is. Mike Tomlin was like, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
So and by the way I said it, but loved
that he has a job. He should have a bigger job.
But it's just you can't do both things.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
And you know who the issue was why he's no
longer has a job.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Bill Belichick catalyst, Oh, no, Tuatuay is correct.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Oh we really fixed him, didn't we. That is actually
the right answer. I thought you were going to give
a nice Bill Belichick shout out when he texted the
wrong Brian.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
That was That's still one of the funniest stories of
all time. But yeah, tua is the issue was the
reason why Flora has lost his job. And now what
are we all? Did McDaniel come in and fix him?
Did he do what he said? Let's see tonight as
he plays a bad team. Let's let's not overlook the

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bad team he's playing tonight, and let's see how he
does if he if he plays well, guess what, he
played well against a bad team, and we give him
no credit. If he plays badly against a bad team,
once criticize him. We are in the perfect too. Is
in a no win situation tonight, which is the best
situation to watch TUA. And it's primetime, so anything could

(51:26):
happen to two when primetime. We know that we've seen that.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
That game is still one of the worst things I've
ever seen. Spine game.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
It was just it was just a spine injury.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Actually, that's the funniest thing that's ever happened in the NFL.
Is going everyone freaked out because it was a head injury.
We're here to say, don't worry upper spine.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I still I still think we were the only ones
that I heard. We're like, what, that's not better? Let's
we're exhaling at that. Oh, thank god, it's just a spine.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
How did we ever? Sometimes I think about this, Listen,
we haven't pushed the NFL enough. This isn't me saying
we've cracked the code. How did we ever get the
NFL to agree that concussions were bad? I think about
it sometimes and I'm like, how did they admit that?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Will Smith that movie.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yeah, Mike Webster, martyr for the cause.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Maybe maybe you know, you know what I think the
big one was? In my mind, I guess I might
be fully off. I think it was junior, say.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Out was I was just singing that because it was
the mental health piece on top of it, like Webster,
this is gross. You're so right, because say out They're like,
well he was young Webster. How old was Mike Webster
when he died of old age?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Like right, yeah, they were like Webster four.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, everyone was like Mike Webster lived the longer. He
was fifty and everyone was like Mike Webster. Natural causes wrong.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I mean, actually that was the cause, I guess. But yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
That's this is what we go ahead. This is what
we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Uh. We are not going to solve overtime today. There's
only so many things we can do. I know that's
the title of the show. But there is one thing
we have to do, and pizza guy, I'll get your
question in a second. But there's just one thing we
have to do. It calls to us, it beckons us,
and that is the wheel. We have to spin the wheel, Jake,
and we have to rank the top ten teams based

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on whatever the wheel lands on any last second editions,
you want me to add to the wheel.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I don't think so. I didn't think of anything for
this week. So I think we ride them out. Plus
I want to get to some of the ones on there.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Okay, and I took the ones I didn't do that
last week, so a good thing we didn't spin the
same thing. I took the two off that we landed on,
and now we spin the wheel. We've got like a
good twenty choices here. We will be ranking the top
ten NFL teams based ooh close, based on best fan base? Okay, okay,

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are you ready for this, Jake?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
I okay, so best fan base. I have a very
strong opinion of like three of these teams.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Are we how do we want to rank best fan base? Packers,
most loyal fans or like most like supportive fans, like
not talk like Eagles are very die hard, but they suck,
you know what I mean? Are they one of the best?

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Do you have a lean? My thought is like, I
guess there are a couple of different ways to slice it.
I just want to do like because I I know
this isn't probably like this is different than just saying
like best most supportive. But I don't like doing that
because then you would just pick the worst teams, you know,

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because it's like you have to put up with the most,
So I think I would do the most fervid. Like
when I think of this team, I think of their
fans the most, and.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
That's yeah, you make them the twelve man of sort.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Well, I was gonna say, and maybe that skews because
I'm thinking of like only a three teams who really
stand out. But yeah, I don't know that would be
how I do. It is like like the volume of
the fan base all the time.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Fair, Yeah, okay, I'm good with that. So we know
Packers are on there.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Packers are in, uh, Eagles Ers are in are somewhere
in the list they are I think, are the Bills,
I think so for sure? Seattle somewhere in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I don't think so. Remember Seattle got destroyed at home
by the Packers last year. That's like, in terms of fans,
they are not what they used to be.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
So this is interesting because if we do.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Chiefs are on there, Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Are on there?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yea there.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Hold on, let me make sure I don't miss any
obvious ones before I start speculating. I think all those
are on there. Cowboys are on there.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Cowboys are for sure on there. I think I think
Scentes have taken a backseat, a little bit back. Yeah,
be persuaded. I think Vikings are good. I know the
Browns are good. They should probably be there.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I think the Browns are in Like the Browns. My
brain goes to the Alliance like a mix of how
much looking up.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
With yeah, yeah, And I'll say I went to a
game in Detroit three ish years ago. Yeah, it wasn't
a Packer crowd. It was a Lion's crowd, and it
was supportive, and they weren't like good yet, So I
think it's fair.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
I'd like it. I immediately realized that I think I
don't know which one one of the New York teams
probably huh. Like, I'm looking at the New York teams
and I'm looking at the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Patriots are good. I think it's hard to tell because
if they're just coming off of a dynasty, right, I
think they're good. I think the Ravens are good as well. Man,
I think it's between these four. I think Vikings are
included in that. I think it's between these five.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I don't want to included in this. I just want
to say out loud so people don't forget I have
thought of the Raiders, but you move cities, so that
doesn't count. And yeah, Falcons just staying in it right now.
But like Falcons, fans are also crazy, but they can.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
They can be. Bears are too toxic, Dolphins are bad,
Colts are bad. Yeah, the Hawks are bad now, Washington's bad. Saints, Bengals, no,
LA Team, Niners, I don't. I just don't feel like
they're all strong. No, yeah, these five so we got

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up there right now, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight nine. We'd have to add one more nless you
think someone's better than Detroit.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
So I think for sure add god of the ones
that we like talked about as maybes. I'm leaning in
the most towards the Jets.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Weirdly, I think they always show up. They always complain,
but I think they always show up.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
To me. They're stronger than the Giants fans, I think so. Yeah,
and then a lot.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
It's so hard to compare Lions versus these three teams.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
What about Denver versus those teams. You went there fast,
so I don't want to like discount them. They're huge.
I know they're big, but I'm just gonna the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah, no matter where you are like not even in Denver,
even when they were bad, they always show up.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Here's the thing with the Patriots. I feel like I'm
holding it against them. I'm thinking of Patriots or Lions
because it's like the Patriots have been the Tom Brady
team for third so it's like it's not fair to
be like, what about before Tom Brady. It's been three decades,
so they are, you know, and they're huge. How how

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did they support our friend? Oh j Mayo, that.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Girod Mayo. Yeah, I almost said Pat Mayo, which is a
different Mayo. On top of that, that's true. I think
I think the Patriots are still good.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah, Ravens are too young. That's my opinion on them,
versus like the Lions or the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Okay, well yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. Vikings have
gone through a lot and they're still there. But I
don't know if there's very many Vikings fans outside of
like our hub ry here Minnesota, Wisconsin. Like I don't
think you'll go anywhere. Maybe the Dakotas and stuff, but
I just mean, like if you go to a road stadium,

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I don't think Vikings fans really show up. Yeah, does
that make sense?

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
No, correct, I mean, and that's what we're talking about,
like them versus the Lions, like the Vikings, Vikings fans,
you're close, okay, and not being a hater.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
With that logic, do Lions fans show up anywhere except
for Detroit?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
And they do now? And I don't know if that's fair,
Like yeah, I think Damn Campbell has gotten them extra.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I don't think they're up there. I think Patriots are better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I that feels better to have the Patriots in. I
would agree. They're certainly more national. I mean, if that's
the mark, it's them for sure. It's not the Giants, right,
I'm just gonna ask out loud. I don't think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
But Giants are good. They really are, just being one
of those original teams, like there's a lot of history there.
I think they're a proud fan base. But I just
don't think they've been They've been abused for too long.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I agree, Okay, Now, like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
The Browns, who are all rainbows, The.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Browns would be my ten pick in this group.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I think you're underest they're higher. I mean they are.
I just who's your ten that? I guess that's maybe
I should have started at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Probably Patriots. We just put them in last.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
I know we put them in last now really high
on them, like we've guessed them up. But I agree,
let's put Patriots last for now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I think that I think the best ones are Packers, Steelers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
I mean I would say the Eagles and Bills by
my definition of like I think of the fans when
I think of the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Team, right, I just think they are along with the
z Yeah, they're crazy, but they're crazy, not die hard.
They're just a crazy group of people, but they're like
fair weather die hard.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I also think the teams you've got right now in
that top group, Packers Steelers are I think low key,
the most national teams in except maybe the Boys. I
was gonna ask, do we have the Cowboys in that
top group?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Well, here's the thing. The NFL asked the Steelers to
be America's team. They turned it down because of how
much they love Pittsburgh. They said, nowhere Pittsburgh's team, and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
They didn't want green Bay to keep a team, so
they did not ask us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Correct and then Jerry's like, we'll do it, We'll market them.
There's no doubting the Cowboys in what they are, Like,
there's Cowboys fans in Wisconsin right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Now, but I'm with you. There are more National Chiefs
fans than Cowboys fans. I agree, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
But there's like Steelers' bars everywhere. I think the Steelers
could possibly be number one Steelers and Packers I think
are undoubtedly number one and two. It's never order.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
That is a fun question. I mean this from the
bottom of my heart. If you were doing it, and
it wouldn't be the worst way to do this, like
most locations that have like bars dedicated to you, I don't.
I don't think there's any question that it's Green Bay there.
And there's so many empty states that are all Packer
states by default.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
True. And there is a documentary that's coming out soon
is getting shown outside of Milwaukee. A YouTuber who I
really like from Madison created a documentary about Green Bit
Packers fans in Japan that's coming out, Like they are
an international team and Steelers are an international team too,
but that's going to be a really cool documentary. I

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think I think it's fair to put Packers at number one,
I really do. And I think a big reason for
that as well, honestly, is Brett Favre Aaron Rodgers. They
were the two biggest and Rogers still playing, but two
of the biggest stars on the planet when they were
at their peak, and Brett was at the you know,
at the forefront the peak when sports, American sports started

(01:03:47):
to go gloible. We think Michael Jordan in basketball, and
Brett Favre was one of those people in football. That's
why everyone knows the Packers internationally. It's because of our
golden boy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Arguably his fault we tied last night. He was there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
I know I was. I was waiting for the Packers
to crash and burn immediately after showing him, and then
Packers fans go off on Brett, but no people are
out on the floor and Jordan Love apparently welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
I welcome. I I A.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
I'm fine doing this, by the way, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
I man, I do. I think the Packers are just more.
I think those two are one A and one B.
I don't think you're wrong at all. I think there's
so many comments about how Packer fans travel. I know
Steeler fans do too. We're nitpicking, but every coast, well,

(01:04:44):
we're everywhere. None of us stay in the state, we
spread out, we go places, so I think that's a
big part of it. I would do that order. I
I would question Pittsburg or Philly for two, but I'm
cool with Pittsburgh too, Okay, I don't think it's close, gotcha.

(01:05:06):
I would go Philly three for sure, and then Bills fans.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
I think it's fair, and then Dallas is probably an
easy five or no.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I would have the Chiefs, but I'm up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
For I can't tell what the Chiefs were like a
decade ago. I think they were there. I think they
were still good fan base. But yeah, like we forget
how little success House has had and they're still true.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Okay, I agree with that, and then I might just
put those in the order they're in. My only question
is like, how do we do this again? We always
do this? Patriots, you're out?

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Do you want to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Yes? And I would even ask you about Jets above Broncos,
but I'm cool with it there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
I can't tell them. I'm not sure if they have
a fireman and they don't want a fireman and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
They that's true, that's true. He might go to Differ.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah, honestly, he'll go wherever there's camera time, I can
tell you that only.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
One of them has a chant. I remember, does that
count for anything?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
That's true? That is true. Broncos fans are a mile
high though, and they'll tell you about it every time
you ask. Yeah, you want to know it or not.
Broncos fans are die hard, though, they really are.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I mean, this is a great top ten, and I
think there's actually like there's a really big divide between
these teams. I'd say, like two others and then the
rest of the league.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Yeah, I think so, I think so. Yeah, there's obviously
the LA teams are bad. Yeah, Cardinals, A lot of
those Florida teams aren't very good. Yeah, there's fans, but
like Beggars are terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
Yeah, Colts are a good example. Like there's some die
hard cults fans. I don't even know how much the
city of Indie cares.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Correct the die heard Colts fans are from Baltimore, so true.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
That's why the Ravens can't be on the list. The
House divided. I think we've done it again, Zach. I
think this is a great top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Did we do it again?

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
That's crazy as it couldn't count to ten again. Pizza guys.
Is Philly definitely too. I don't think so. I think
that's recency bias based on recent success. I think Steelers
are insane. There's no way Steelers off got offered America's
team and continue to be like the most popular team

(01:07:35):
there is not close. It's not close. I can promise you. Yeah,
Pennsylvania is the Steelers state. They're not even number one
in their state. Can't be number two.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I hear what we're saying about Philly, but also like
Philly fans now, like I can tell you what Philly
fans were ten years ago, which is like no one
understood why they cared so much and they were very isolated.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
If we're talking about loudest fans, Philly might be up
there and they're still number three. But like you know,
if you're talking to a Philly fan, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Think people remember how much we dislike them universally before
Jason Kelsey. I mean, yeah, that donvan mcnah never did
anything wrong and we still didn't like them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
True Eagles fans are just assholes. They're like they're like
a more aggressive Viking fan, Like they're just dumb, but
then they're aggressive. Vikings fans are just dumb. They argue
your weaknesses and then don't mention anything about them. Like
if you argue with a Viking fan and you're a
Packer fan, they go, oh, how about that super Bowl loss? Like, brother,

(01:08:47):
what do you talk about? How about your super Bowl win? Oh? Weps,
don't got one? Oh you got we beat you? Okay? Great?
When week three of a regular season, congrats? Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Let me walk you through championship game nineteen sixty four.
How about I do mean? But oh, Eagles pampizza guy
d cute? Take it from us two Packer fits.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah, yeah, No, no bias here. We can't be raking
bias with bias. Man, what are we talking about? But no,
Eagles are great, They're just not the Steelers. It's just
not if we if we zoom out a little bit
and we think nationally and we think internationally, I think
it's very obvious who one and two are. I think that,

(01:09:37):
and then I think there's a huge separation after one
and two. I think you could ring Steelers one. Maybe
it's bias. I don't think so, though. In terms, I
think Packers are the most international team.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, I agree, But also I think it's the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Patriots international no, no, no, I just.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Think it's that timetable. I think Brady got all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I would love it if the Patriots were number one,
because I like the thought of everyone rooting for America
an American patriot. But that's just not the case.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
I don't know. I agree with you. I mean, we
are very international. I had to hear a lot this
week and how the Steelers have claimed the nation of Ireland, so.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
They're the biggest team in Ireland.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
I mean, but I had to watch a whole montage
CBS was like Rooney's kid was an ambassador to Ireland,
which is crazy. Like, no shade to the Irish fans
who are listening to show I got you, But I just.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Can't give them shade. They attacked your boy, and I'll
give you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
They also fucking robbed Skyler Thompson, not figuratively literally.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
This is why Skylar Thompson was missing his drink. He
was missing his drinking buddy, Jake, where were you you?

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
He need? I would have watched his pockets like a
fucking hawk. Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Mm hmm, no one's coming around. Did this happen in Manhattan?

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
You are actually asking a great question. Will Howard where
were you home recovering?

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
True, there's a lot of questions to be Where was
Troy paula mountain? For whatever reason? I feel like he
always jumps in to save any Steeler indeed, oun't know where.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Here's what I'll say, Skyler Thompson, pretty weak. Look Steelers
on what they used to be. Can you imagine someone
pickpocketing James Harrison. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
No, No, they wouldn't live to tell the story.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
It is. Here's the thing. You're an NFL star. That's
gotta be humbling, right, Like that's pickpocketing is a peasant crime.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
He's a big dude, isn't he.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
I think he's six too, but he looks you know,
he's a pretty boy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Let's see Skyler Thompson six too. I mean, Jake knows
he's drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
So you're right. We've all got our wheel house. This
is fine when we're barstool of the bar stool. I
eyed them up, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Still though, it just feels why him, Why what was
he doing? Why was he alone? You know he had
all the jewelry.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
On, just all of it, his own jersey. That's what
I was imagining.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
It is. It's Ireland, not the really Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Jersey, Like, what's his most famous jersey? Ky State?

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Probably right? Probably he wasn't even big at k State, though.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
We believed a little bit. He's bigger now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Man, I don't know. I don't know. It's begs the
question what he was doing, where he was going? And
I don't know. You gotta have a buddy, where's Will Howard?
Bad teammate? And that's why he's never going to be
the future of the Pittsburgh Steelers, is what it is.
Chris Boswell didn't get robbed. If Chris Boswell doesn't get robbed,

(01:13:16):
you can't get robbed. That's the rule. That's the Rooney rule.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I don't think so. By the way, Rooney should have
more rules. He's only got one. Who's ever made one rule? Did? Stopped?

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Pretty good rule too.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I mean fight club made up a bullshit second rule
just to make sure they didn't have one. Yeah, I
mean right, right, first rule. We don't talk about fight
club second rule. There are no rules, correct.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Even they were like, well we can't have one, right,
I mean at that point, why do we have the
planning meeting?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
They were like, rule number one, we can't talk about this.
We have to keep it on the DL. Yeah, anything
else we really care about. Uh, I'm not a rules guy.
R neither, so we're not a rules guy. But we
have one rule and we want that one rule. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Of course we can't let other people know about this. Well,
then we can't be restricted by rules.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
No, but how do we let them know that we're
still having rules?

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Well, let's put both on there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
We should have a second rule that the second rules
says no rules.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yeah, and we know that it just means no other rules.
And since we're not going to talk about it, no
one else will find out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
It'd be ridiculous if that was rule one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Right, right, we will look foolish. We need to follow
rule one. Cannot express that enough, and then number second
one second rule no other rules. But we're just gonna
call it no rules.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Yes, we have to no other rules. Sounds ridiculous, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Right, Yes, no other rules, Like that's dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
But we have to put it second because otherwise people
might not listen to rule number one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
What about Jimmy? He already tattooed no rules on his bicep,
Like that's he that's the coolest tattoo of all time.
He lives by the the you know, the beat of
his own drum.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
No rules is fine. If he has more ink, he
should also tattoo on except rule one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Yes, no rules and don't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Terrible marketing scape. That was my funniest bit we've ever done.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Thank you. Well, we'll go out of that. Not a
lot of people are talking about fight Club on their podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
I think if two white guys on the pod don't
talk about fight Club once a month, the world spins
off its axis. So here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
You get a nuclear bomb message randomly in the middle
of group podcast. It's crazy, Pizza guy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
I appreciate your comments so much. Here's what I'll say.
What do I do about Lamar and Bucky Boys? Bucky
hang in. It's my advice stay the course.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
Has there been any update on Bucky Irving? I know
he's getting an MRI today. I don't think so, and
they're being very secretive. He's getting an MRI on an
undisclosed injury. Yeah, so I don't know what to do
with that, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Lamar, he's tended for next week, like he should be
back in two.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yeah, I mean they have two games and then a bye.
So would it be the craziest thing if he's held
out three now and they got Cooper Rush? What else
do you need?

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Yeah? I mean, what do you do? Don't trade either
of them? Hang on, you know?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Yeah? And then he says, Lad mcconkee, he stinks. I mean,
I agree. What are you gonna do about it? That's
what I keep telling people. Okay, great, we've established he's bad,
and then second rule, we're not gonna talk about it.
That's what that's what we gotta do. Like, what are
you gonna do about it? It doesn't matter?

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
So true fight club, see you next.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Nast's All Safety Day. You don't size storts inside th

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Fuck Yeah,