A Race of Attrition – 2025 Sachsenring MotoGP Race Review - For The Love Of MotoGP

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Steve my good man. How the devil are you?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh good, buddy, how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm very good, my friend, must confess a little bit tired,
but otherwise very good. How was your weekend?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
My weekend was good, buddy. I don't know exactly what
we did. What the hell do we do? I know,
family stuff, a bit of biking, obviously a lot of
bike in It was just good. It was not a
bad weekend.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, yeah, how about you? How was your weekend?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
My weekend was good, man. We had a full hospitel
booking him for two nights, so I meant I didn't
have to be here, so that was a treat. So
we well, sure, and I went over to Mainland, went
and hiked and stayed in a bothie other night, which
was super cool. We got there thinking like, it's a Saturday,
it's glorious weather. This Bothy's on the kpe Rath trail,

(00:56):
so I was like, we're going to meet some cool
hikers that are like through hiking the trail and stuff,
so it'll be fun. And we sat outside in the
sun just enjoying, like a couple of beers, chatting away
until like eight pm. We're like there's no one here,
what's going on? Well, then one person turned up Steve
on my days. They were an absolute lunatic, Like wow,

(01:17):
it was it was something special, you know when you're
not needed in a conversation and they can just talk
and talk. And he kept going off on these tangents
and then would stop himself and like glare at me
and be like anyway, as I was saying, I was like,
but I'm not the one that tangented you. You tangented yourself.
I haven't said anything the last fifteen minutes. He was

(01:39):
absolute lunatic.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Right, what was it just local chat or just lost
in the words or now.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
He was a Polish fellow, but he lived in somewhere
in England. But he loved Scotland.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
He loves Scotland. Nicest people in Scotland, lovely, lovely people.
He's been in Scotland twenty five times, don't you know.
He knows everything about Scotland, been everywhere. The weather shit,
The weather shit in Scotland. Even when it's good, it's
shit because it's too hot to do any thing. Oh,
but he loved Scottland. He loved it. Lovely place, lovely place.
Been to Wales. To Whales was nice. But as he
was saying, Scotland is where it's at, and I was like, right, good,

(02:11):
and he's like, you know, you're Scottish. He was like, no,
you yeah, you're Scottish. I was like, yeah, yeah, exactly,
you're Scottish. As I was saying, I was like, okay.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
The whole time hid cowering in a corner because she
was just a strange man. But thankfully the Bothy was
big enough that they have multiple rooms, so we'd already
set us stuff up in one of the upstairs rooms.
So we politely excused ourselves at like half nine and
I was like, that's enough, I'm going to bed. And
then I kind of put some things in front of
the door and Casey came in so i'd hear it open.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Locked the door, bolted the door, took it out. The
guns shot quite sticks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, it was an interesting fellow, but there we go.
That's the fun of Bothy. And you never know who
you're going to meet.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I don't know how you meet these people.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I just to track them, Steve, because I like to
talk to people. Yeah, and they do gravitate towards me.
I can't help you when someone starts talking to me.
Oh yeah, I'll love a chat and nah, it's always
lunatics every everywhere I go, everywhere.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I love it. I love the fact that you could
be in the middle of absolutely like but fucked nowhere
and you still find lunatics.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah. We were like in the middle of a valley,
just obviously on Bothy and Old Shepherd's Hut there and
we'd hike, you know, two hours from the closest road
to get there, and I still manage to run into
a lunatic. Maybe that's where they hang out. To be fair, actually,
like we're in a valley two hours for a road
is probably prime lunatic location.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, i'd say so. Yeah, if you're yeah, maybe maybe
sticks to cities.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Man, it's not the same though, is it.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
City crap?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, people give you a weird look in the city
if you'd like sitting by the river with your shoes
off and just dangling your feet in there and having
a couple of beers. Yet funny looks in the city,
But in the middle of nowhere you laugh to do that.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, anything's going in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
So do it exactly. But yeah, so That was my weekend,
so I didn't actually watch any of the racing live
because we were away for it. So I caught up
when I got back, which was all good. And then
it will be the same story this weekend. Actually we've
got the same group but back this weekend. So I've
got another two days off, so we're going to go
stay in another Bothy somewhere and fingers crossed for not
the same lunatic this time.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
You can guarantee you're going to meet the same nut
job wherever you go. Now he is going to follow.
You're going to come back from your trip and he's
going to be waiting outside the hotel or the hostel,
just like hello, Tim.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Oh I hope not, mate, I really hope not. He
wouldn't be fun.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
He sounds like an absolute Like I'm going to email him,
Tim says, hi.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yah. So that was my weekend anyway, it was good.
It was good. It was nice to get outside enjoy
the sunshine up here for a little while, which has
been well Scotland, and so it doesn't happen that.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Often, no, no, so there's a rarity and should be
celebrated in Scotland, quite celebrated like a deity.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, that's how we Drewid Colts start.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, what do you what do you worship? Son?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah? Was that Egypt? Actual Egyptians one of their gods
the Sun probably, I imagine most Rome probably had a
son god as well. There we go. See it turns
out you do know a lot about Egyptian.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Gods more than me. Heh.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Anyway, let's dive into the show.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Sore we yes, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Good stuff. So I'm Tim, he's Steve at. This is
for the love of Moto GP. If you are new
to the show, welcome This is how it normally starts.

(06:10):
Steve and I chat about our weekends. I've got a
ridiculous story about some strange fellow I'm met, and yeah,
this is just how it goes. And if you are returning,
welcome back. You already know this is how it goes.
And for some reason you stick around and we love
you for it.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
They just love the crazy antics.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah. This is for the love of Moto GP, the
show where Steve and I sit down with a couple
of beers and talk about Moto GP like we would
in the pub. And it's a bit of a role reverse, right,
nice it's confusing me a bit. I'm on the alcohol
free beer because it's been a long day and it's
hot and I'm a bit tied and dehydrated. Steve's there

(06:49):
chugging down a real not amber Ale red ale. So
Steve's beer a ruby beer. There we can tonight. I'm
the designated driver. I can only apologize for how things go.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yes, Steve, when he smashed just a bit of something else.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
That and I need you to keep me in line, Steve,
this is the problem. I just go off on tangents
with him. Yeah, well, thankfully we've got a lot to
talk about.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Steve excellent, plus tangents could be a long one.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
It could be a long one, So as per usual
will not as per usual, we do have a correction
corner this week, and then we'll dive into some news,
some of it very sad, some of it very interesting.
Then we'll talk about the races. We'll do the top fives,
we'll have a brief chat about some melergiy talking points,
and then we will recap our predictions and make new
predictions for Bruno, which is this race coming up. I'll

(07:44):
be honest, I haven't had time today to do the
full show notes. So Steve and I are working on
a condensed show notes, so we'll see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
We'll just make it up as we go.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yes, and let's start then Steve with correction corner, shall we.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Let's do it, Buddy, cue that jingle correction corner.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
So this week's correction corner, I suppose isn't a correction
corner so much as a listener input. But we don't
have a we don't have a jingle for listener input.
Correction corner. It is.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah, we like this jingle, so we're just going to.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Use it exactly. So this one comes from Johannas and
Johannah says, just a quick info about the region Saxon
Ring is located. The name gives the hint Saxon, it's Saxony.
This is in relation to our conversation last week's leave
about we we just weren't sure where in Journey Saxon

(08:44):
Ring is and we embarrassed ourselves with our lack of
German geographical knowledge. Johannahs goes on to say it's where
the Anglo Saxon's presumably your far ancestors come from. Keep
up the good work, So I just kept that one
at the end because I like to sue my own
ego occasionally. Yeah, exactly, but yes, there we go. It's

(09:08):
in Saxony, so thank you very much, Johannas. And yes,
I imagine that is where our our ancestors are from, Steve.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I assume the.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Anglo in Anglo Saxon refers to the British Isles, though,
doesn't it. So I guess came over became Anglo Saxons
as they separated from the original Saxons.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I have no idea. I know I have got German
ancestry names. I gotta get this right now. My name's
grandad was German from Germany.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Oh, so you might have even more Saxon ancestry than
I do.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Could do. I haven't quite got that far back on
the family tree yet. And work him my way back.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Ah, you're doing better than me. I there's lots of
The thing is, though, isn't it with being anyone in
kind of the modern world, is we're just all Europeans.
If you're a Caucasian, you're just of European ancestry. Doesn't
matter where you live, whether you're American or Australian or

(10:10):
Kiwi sorry, guys, you're all actually European.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah tough.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, so come and join us, Come and go and
join the EU, have fun with them.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yeah yeah, they're far over there.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
But yeah, that's all good. Thank you very much, Jihannas.
That's the kind of info we love, we do.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
We love a bit of listener participation. Keep it up, guys.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Quite So that's going to bring us onto the news, Steve,
and we're going to start with some somber news off
the top here. We've said this over and over again.
These are things we feel like we have to talk
about and that should be talked about. Not that we
have to, but things that should be talked about, and
I feels wrong to ignore them. We never really know

(11:00):
how to approach them. So we've gone from the high
of Johannes's correction corner and we're going to the low
now of the news that came out from last weekend's
FIM Stock European Championship. The championship leader over there, Borja Gomez,
was killed at Magni cor during the Junior GP meeting.

(11:24):
He crashed during a test session in inverted commerce on
the Thursday before the race weekend, and while trying to
retrieve his bike. He was hit by another crashed machine.
So he survived the crash, and it was the subsequent
having another bike slam into him that caused him his

(11:45):
injuries that ultimately and did his life. Yes, poor fellow
quite but that's not where this story ends. That this
just should not have happened. No, he was down for
thirty seconds before this other machine came and hit him.
There were no yellow flags flying, there was only led boards,

(12:06):
There were no marshals nearby, and onlookers have said that
the ambulance took around ten minutes to reach him. During
this time he was being seen to by another rider.
So this is a lot of stuff that was wrong here.
And I've got a quick quote from the race. I
say a quick quote is a few paragraphs that I'm

(12:26):
just going to read because it's going to give us
a bit of an overview. And so coming from the race,
the dash race dot Com quote. The Stock European Championship
was launched by the FIM in twenty twenty three to
provide an additional class to the oversubscribed European Motor two
Championship and runs as a support series to the Junior
GP championship organized by Moto GP and World Superbike promoter

(12:47):
At Dorner. Junior GP's untimed Thursday sessions are run only
as quasi official parts of their seven round race calendar,
with the circuits responsible for much of the organization, but
with DONNA and the FIM, but with DONNA and FIM
officials present to oversee them. However, by officially classifying the

(13:08):
Thursday events as not part of the Junior GPE race weekend,
but instead as a pre event test, it means that
organizers then do not have to meet the conditions of
their FIM circuit a mullegation, a document unique to every
license venue which details things such as the provision of
medical vehicles and a number of marshals required for racing

(13:32):
end quote. So that's from the race That gives a
quick overview of the situation here. So really, because these
test sessions weren't classified as are officially part of the weekend,
it means that the organizers don't have to put in
all of the safety precautions, which is a fucking travesty
when you think that these bikes are going around essentially
practicing for a race weekend that everyone knows is happening.

(13:55):
The organizers know it's happening. Donna and the FIM know
it's happening, and yet somehow they've been allowed to get
away with this for a couple of years now. And
I mean it was only amount of time for an
instant like this happens. Even at club race weekends, this
doesn't happen if there's not enough marshals, they don't run
the race weekend. No, I don't understand at this level

(14:18):
of international mosport how this was allowed to happen.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
No, this, It always takes a travesty like this and
something terrible to happen for these things to be brought
to the service and realized. No way would any event
elsewhere be allowed to take place without the right safety
precautions put into place. First, you cannot allow one person

(14:43):
to go out on track at any point without the
right safety provisions, because that one person has as much
chance of going out killing themselves as twenty people on
the track. Yeah, it just shouldn't be allowed. I mean,
how the fuck can you say it? Right off? You guys,
go do what you're like. It's it's not official. So
you've got one ambulance guy and Doris the medic. Well,

(15:06):
if we can wake her up, she'll come and see
to you. It just doesn't happen. I mean, for Fox,
say you can't let open the gates so these You
can't open the gates to these guys on a Friday
or Thursday morning and say, right, this is fine, head
out and have at it. Lad's you know, go beat
your best lap time. Yeah, quite, you just can't do it.

(15:26):
And it's taken this some Paul Lad to lose his
life to bring this to the forefront of everyone's attention.
And that's completely fucking wrong. And in my eye, someone's
head's got to roll for this. Someone has allowed this
to happen, and like you say, for a couple of years,
this is going on and they're just bloody lucky that

(15:47):
no one's so far, you know, more people haven't got
seriously h injured, life changing accidents and now some poor
kid has lost his fucking life.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's not right, No, no, no, not at all.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
This FIM does need to change.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, it really does. These change and hopefully it will.
The FIM, for their part, have said that there were
twenty four marshals present around the circuit, as well as
medical crews and two people in race control who were
supposed to be controlling the led boards for the yellow
flags and stuff. But aside from that, both Dorner and
the FIM have been very tight lipped about the insidant,
both citing ongoing investigations and for some reference here for

(16:28):
that twenty four marshals number. Reached out to our resident
MOTORGP Marshall also known as Mark with a K in
the Facebook group to ask what normal steward's numbers are
like for a race weekend. He referenced World Too Bike
this weekend, which had two hundred and sixty three marshals
around their circuit. So the test session for the Stock

(16:50):
European Championship had less than ten percent of that number.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's fucking incredible. You think two hundred and sixty three
marshals plus other staff, Yeah, ambulance, ambulances, everyone else around
that track. Donington is not a big place. It's quite
easily accessible. You could be around it within a few
minutes in a car. Yeah, And then say you're going

(17:14):
to allow youngsters to go out with twenty four marshals.
I only say it's at with medical crews, so we
don't have any number for that, So that's an unknown number. Ah,
it's hard to defend, all right. They've got the LED
boards out, which are also present. You know, you can
take flag wave in a way, So they have got

(17:36):
led boards out, but that doesn't still excuse the number
of people that you need on site to safely manage
the safety of everyone.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Quite and even with those LED boards, there's only two
people in race control who are supposed to be watching
everything as well as controlling these sixteen boards as sixteen
of these voles around the surkin, and they haven't got
the same spots as they have normally, like for a
full race weekend, you're going to have someone on the race. Yeah,
I imagine Mark with a k Please get in touch
and tell me if this is wrong. But I suspect

(18:04):
if there's a crash or something, they're buzzing on the
radio straight away to let race control know. Yeah, so
race control can light up the boards and I think
give the marshals permission to go out onto the surface.
Is how it works in Formula one anyway, the marshals
aren't allowed to leave their post until they've had be
all clear from someone higher up.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, I'm sure that's to say, for every racing event
for a safety factor. Again, it comes back to safety exactly.
It's just a fucking traversy. This porkid has lost his
life for something that should have never happened.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, quite, and lessons, like you say, do have to
be learned from this. This wasn't a death caused by
coast pack racing or by a freak crash. This was
an entirely avoidable accident. And to be honest, someone that
like you say, or some covening body should be held
responsible for this. Things have to change in the future
and this will Karma's a big shock to limity media
who have just taken over Doorner. Yeah and not quite Yeah,

(18:59):
they're not quite as used to dealing with death in
their sports. No one's died in Formula one since you
will be Yankee, and that was in a pretty liberty
media era. There have been death in the lower classes
in Formula one I think so, or in the lower
classes of open all racing, open all car racing since
liberty have been there. But yeah, I can only hope

(19:20):
that this has fixed the future. And if no marshals
and medical staff are available, the sessions are just not run.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
No, you have to call the line somewhere. You know,
there's always a tickboard. You go into work and you
have pre approved number of people there for your safety.
It's no different to that. Absolutely no difference from that.
If you're going to run a go kart in track, though,
you know, Health and Safety and the HC over here
are going to come around and say you need to

(19:46):
put this in place, that in place, that in place,
and that's bare minimum for anyone to go out on
that track.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, exactly, and.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
If you get caught in breach of that, you're fucked.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah. Quite. But then that's the thing here, isn't it
is they've not broken any rules. These rules were exactly
fine by the word of the law, and what was
written by the series promoter and organizers is this was fine.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, that's bullshit. There's there has to be more. I
don't know how many corners around Magnicore. If you think
if you just said you had twenty four, if it's
a twelve lap racetrack, you've lost all your marshals.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, magneic is a full sized circuit. So I don't
know how many corners there are, but you'd imagine it's
going to be somewhere in the region of twelve to
eighteen corners. Yes, I don't know, so.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
It could be look at a realistic scenario of no
marshals on certain corners.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, which is just and that is exactly how this
seems to have played out.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, not good.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
No quite thoughts with seventeen corners around Magnicore.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
That makes it even worse.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah quite.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Oh that's I don't know, let's just starting to piss
me off.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah. And for all the anger that is that this
is brought up, including from motor GP riders, Peckerbag, Naya
and Pedera Costa being the most vocal, the most important
thing about thing to remember and think about here is
that a life has been lost and a family is
left grieving.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
That's what's off. It could have been avoided.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, exactly, that's not right.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'll both wishes and thoughts for prayers go out to
his family and friends.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah. Absolutely, Okay, let's take a deep breath, Steve Beer.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
A bit of hot gobbling going down and his to you, buddy, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Breast easy man to bar Gomez. Right next up, Steve,
Let's move this one along. There is more news to
talk about, which is more fun. Well, it would be
hard not to be more fun, so Jorge Martin, the

(21:59):
saga continues.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Oh Jesus, this one's dragging on Ati.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
The antibiotics aren't hitting this one, mate, This is uh.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
No, it's still Lichy.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
So he will be back in Bruno riding his a
Prilli RSGP in different circumstances than we imagined, because it
now looks like he is set to fully backtrack on
all his wanting to get out of the deal to
ride for a Prillier in twenty twenty six. What the
fuck has just happened?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I think maybe a little bit of the realization over
the last few weeks that the bike it's better than
he thought. He's watching Bears have some pretty damn good
results and the team are obviously moving it forward. And
if I'm honest, this is only my opinion, I think
it's scared him. You know, it's come straight onto that

(22:57):
thing and instantly slept. I had been wiped out for
half a season.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah not just once the twist, yeah, well quite.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
You know, sometimes when you finally do get what you want,
you know, you finally pull the hoti E scares the
fuck out of.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
You and just like when you pull the hoty, it's
over way, way too quickly. Experienced with the Brillier, so.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Far exactly this, and now he wants to save himself
for the embarrassment again and it's like no, fuck, this
is bail and suddenly hes on and it's like, right,
let's do this.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah. Quite, I have a bit more of a cynical
view than you do here. I suspect the clause he
was planning to activate wasn't quite as certain as he
and his manager had claimed, and with the Brilliant being
like no, thank you, I suspect that Martine thought it
was going to end up in a long protracted court battle,

(23:58):
which he believe he's a prettier may well win. And
we've kamel uespo Leta already threatening not to allow Martine
to ride in twenty twenty six should the contract situation
not be sorted. The fear of a long drawn out
legal battle could stop him starting the twenty twenty sixth season.
So I wonder if that was enough to make him go.
I'll just do it for a year and then we'll

(24:19):
pick up whatever's next after that for twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, I think you're exactly right. I think you know,
he may have sprouted off a little bit too early,
and then suddenly, when all the dust as settled and
he could finally read the fine print on the paperwork,
maybe he sort of realized that, well, yeah, that's not
going to happen. So yes, here we are deals back on,

(24:45):
and I'm stoked. I'm happy that maybe he's going a
bit a prillier for another year and we can actually
finally see if he is capable of getting back to
his old self on a different machine.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
So yeah, and that's an interesting point because I do
have a feeling that this has done some long term
reputational damage to him, and I think it could affect
him in the future. Like if he gets back on
for the rest of this season and manages to get
back near of his full potential towards the end of
the year or even throughout next year, then the reputational
damage won't matter too much. If he's struggling or appears

(25:19):
to have lost some of that raw speed that won
in all those races won in the title, there's not
going to be much credit left in the bank with
future employers. People aren't going to be quite so willing
to sign a struggling Martine, if they think this is
how they could be treated as an employer.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, exactly that. Every now and again in life you
bump into people who do like to shoot the mouth off,
and when it does backfire, these people really do have
to eat humbled by with a very big smile on
their face. I've met one recently who even gave in
his notice at a workplace.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Because you told you said you wouldn't tell anyone about this,
you're dropping me in it like this, man.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I'm sorry, hostel dudes, Tim is not coming back next year. No,
it's not Tim, It's not Tim at all. Yeah. This
certain person has literally given a notice because they were
so certain the job was going to be given to them,
and then had to come begging.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I do not understand why people hand in their notice
before they've got confirmation that the new job is theirs.
All the time? How why, how does this happen?

Speaker 2 (26:30):
I have no idea, but I loved it. I thought
it was great because like the slacking off, the bitching,
the that there was proper like hatred for the company,
and the next thing is we're back. Oh did you
mean all those things you said? I was like, there's
a supervisor's job. You're going to apply for that in

(26:54):
the world I love?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, exactly. Oh so yes we will, as per usual, Steve,
wait and see how this story continues to play out.
But either way, it's going to be good to see
Martine back on the bike in I don't think he's
going to get himself into the top ten. He might
not even score points. But if he manages a couple
of points, and well, do you know what I'm given?

(27:21):
Fly fuck. If he gets points or not, If he
manages to just finish both races and the qualifying sessions
rub a side down, then it's his best race weekend
of the year.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah. Yeah, this guy just needs to finish the race,
bring it home, have a great time, learn that bike.
The rest of the season has simply just got to
be testing and development all that he's missed, and then
commit to a Prillier for twenty twenty six. And that's
when you start your uh, what's the best way to
describe it? No, your title defense? That was never there? Yeah,

(27:58):
even how you word that?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Your one year hiatus title defense?

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah? Yeah, that's it. Yeah, glad you're here. That's the one.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, I'm just I think it'll be fun. I'm looking
forward to seeing it, and it would just be I
think it's just very good for OGP to have Martin
back on the grid, to have him back with the
Prillier this deal. But you know, six months ago, we're
all like, oh my god, cannot wait. It's going to
be great. What's Martin to do. We're like, oh, he's
not gonna win a championship. He might spike a couple
of race wins. Arguably he could have already spiked a

(28:33):
couple of race winds if it hadn't been for the
injuries this year. Yeah, so it's yeah, once he's back
up to speed, it'll be interesting. Because Bes has been
really good on that Brilliant this year and is clearly
a reasonably good bike, probably the second best machine right
now in the grid. So I would say so yeah,
And I'll tell you what, if it wasn't for Mark

(28:56):
Marquez riding to katiably Martine on the a Brilliant, might
if he'd had a proper run up none of these injuries,
you could imagine him being close to a title fight.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, yeah, you're really good. You look at the standings
just below Mark, it's it's nice. It is a really
nice place to look and like imagine the scenarios that
could be there. But then you have to place marking
it somewhere.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well basically, yeah, the Marquez factor here has just ruined
Notorie for everyone for the next few years. Again.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, yes, you start looking down the audio like, oh
this is juicy. I love the fact when you get
down to fifth in the championship you've got Frankie Franco
Morbidelli who's already two hundred and five points behind the leader.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah. That's wild, isn't it. But then that's my Marquez.
He's got so many points already. Man, he's already on
three hundred and forty four points. We're kind of halfway
through the year. What did Martin win the title with
last year? Was it just over five hundred points?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I think it was just over five hundred Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
In front of me in a second five hundred and
eight points. Marquez is you know, only one hundred and
fifty points off that at the moment, hundred and sixty
points off that yeap, which thirty seven points over a weekend.
He could have that done by Japan.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, he could. He had that wrapped up pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, I mean he could probably have the title wrapped
up by Japan. To be honest with the fucking raight
he's going that is true.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
To be fair, the guy is on an absolute fucking.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Tear quite next news item, then, Steve, this is Pedro
Acosta's slap on the wrist.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yes, I like this one.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Pedro has been told in no uncertain terms that he's
being too negative by Kate and this has been bubbling
away for a while but reached a boil after he
was caught on camera. Well it wasn't I've written the
notes wrong here because I read it wrong to start with.
I think what happened is he was doing an interview
and behind him there was a screen that was like

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rotating through all of the different teams and sponsors so
they could get up the KTM background for his interview,
and as it was going through, the forty six to
one popped up and he made a bit of a joke.
He's like, oh, I'd get a photo of me with this,
because obviously there's all these rumors that he's trying to
write for the R forty six. Forty six are trying
to get him, so he's describing this as a bit

(31:40):
of a tongue in cheek joke about the rumors. But yeah,
it turns out this didn't go down well. Fabio Digian
Antonio himself was the first to comment about this, telling
journalists that a Costa is doing a disservice to his
current employer by behaving this way, and a Costa responded
by essentially telling the Italian he needs to learn how
to take a joke.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, there's a lot of little boy childish for tat there.
I think, you know, if I think there's a bit
of Digiti go and ship it's my ride safe.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, I think that's a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
And any discredit and dishonor I can bring to the
rival is going to be more than welcome. And whilst
you know, aptly cradling a pair of balls, it's, yeah,
just childish playground behavior at the minute, I.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Think, I think so, But I do kind of understand
where did he's coming from, because there is an argument
to say that this is doing a disservice to Katim
and to Red Bull and to all of the employers
to mess about like this in this way. But at
the same time, characters are what make this sport exactly,
and we need the characters there and actually on both

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sides here. If he just made the joke and left
it of that, that would have been fine. But it's
better that he made the joke and then someone else
argued with him because it give us something to talk about.
It gives us the soap opera storyline exactly.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
We like a bit of drama, a bit of soap proper.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Exactly. Interestingly, pit Bira was speaking to the motor GP
kind of video pass pundits over the weekend and he
had this to say about it quote, he's still a
kid and he wants to the best motorcycle to perform.
As long as our motorcycle isn't the best motorcycle out there.
We have to live with the critics and also the

(33:33):
flirting side of things. Maybe you need to be of
a certain age to understand that the wife you have
you should treat well and not always flirt with other ladies.
But it's not an issue for us really.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I love that. I think that is so well put.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Quite it feels like a bit of a patronizing slap down,
doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
So that's when it's been proper belittle by your mum
with only a couple of words, and it's left you heartbroken.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, and in front of all your friends as well.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, and they fully know it as well, and you
just have shriveled.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, there's that moment your mum then leaves the room
and everyone's like, well, shut.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Up, proper taking apart. I'm not angry, Yeah, I'm just disappointed.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah exactly. Bit Bira also went on in this interview
to talk about what a great job Madavinyards has been doing,
so that was also a bit of a put down
as well.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah. Yeah, if ever, you're going to get a slab
and then someone talks about your teammates like shit, I'm
properly in trouble.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yeah exactly, Oh dear, But with all that aside, this
really is a signed and s KTM can bring something
impressive into next year or show a coster they have
an amazing machine ready for the twenty twenty seven rules change.
This relationship isn't lasting much longer.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
No, no, this one really is hagged on a knife edge.
A Costa's a seriously good rider. We've seen that, we
know what he could do, and but that was sort
of blowing smoke up as us. I think he does
deserve a better ride, and he could do a lot better.
So the pressure really is on Ktim to deliver him something,

(35:15):
to keep him because people will start looking at him.
And if there is even the slightest chance you could
get on the Jucati right now, you're going to take it.
So and he's not a VR forty six academy rider,
is the Acosta?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
No, No, their only Italian. He would be went and
wrote for the team. He'd be the first non Italian
to do.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
So, yeah, there you go. But still it's a way
into a family of legends. I guess. Yeah, so you're
going to take it and and to have that accolade
as the first non Italian rider who you know?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Imagine you could see it though, couldn't it if he jump?
If he was on GP twenty four right now, like
he'd be doing exactly what Alex Marquez is doing. I
don't think either of them would touch Mark Marquez even
on Maybe if Mark and Pedro were in the same team,
there could be something interesting happening. But not in separate teams.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
No, not at all. But it makes for great conversation.
I love exactly like this kick off because he is
just a kid and he has got a lot of
flamboyance about him.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yes, but that's why we like him. He's a character.
Varantina Rossi was a character. It's a bit of a
shame that Mark Marquez isn't quite the same character as
Vanino Rossi was or the Pedro Acosta is, because I
feel like Mark Marquez, I think he is quite a character.
He's got a big personality, but it's not quite in

(36:48):
the same way. Yeah, it's not. Pedro Acosta strikes me
as the kind of guy that, much like Vanino Rossi,
will just tear his opponents apart in a press conference
as well as on the circuit, whereas mar Marquez doesn't
do that so much. Mark is very much like I
will let my riding do the talking, and then if
you try and tear me down in the press conference,

(37:08):
I'll play back. Like he's capable of doing it. We
saw him with Valantino Rossi twenty fifteen is the prime example.
Like he was very good at dealing with Rossie, but
he never went out for the war like Rossi did,
and like I think I could see Pedro Costa doing.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, with every most war, every generation needs. It's kind
of good boy bad boy rivalry. You know, you get
it all all the way through every most war. Yeah,
we're kind of missing that at the minute. You know,
I don't know what it's like if for be the
one the only ones I ever remember is Nicky Louder and.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Dad what the guy named James Hunt?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
James Hunt, that's him, that famous one. Everyone needs it.
It's talking points. It's two opposite characters that clash but
secretly get along. It's fantastic. We're kind of missing that.
We always talk about the villain in Moto GP.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
We haven't got That's an interesting point you've just made there. Actually,
I was just thinking about Nikky Louder and obviously James
Hunt hated each other for a real long time on track,
but at the end of it were proper bros. We
saw Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel hate each other on circuit,
but by the time they weren't racing each other anymore.
By that, I mean that it had fallen backwards. They

(38:27):
were proper bros. And I think this is the kind
of thing. Yeah, we don't see this so well. We
do see it actually in Moto GP. We saw Vantino
Rossi and a lot of his rivals each other on
circuit died off.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah you know, we've got the the old hater or
hated in markets because he took that aura away from Valentino,
and we kind of we need someone now just kind
of step up, challenge Mark and start taking that away
from from here. Not that I want it to happen,
EXT want to see every title team get We're kind of

(39:04):
missing that little crossover.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
And we thought we were going to have it this year.
We thought we were going to have it with Echo
and Mark, and it turns out Mark is still just
a step ahead. I don't know what would happen if
we had a Coutateraro on a similar machine or on
a really good Yamaha. I could see Coutateurraro being a
kind of guy who would really be challenging Mark, but
I don't know if they'd have the same friction.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
No, that's it. We need the feistiness to characters. Yeah,
you know, in my eyes, Mark would always be the
louder of of that era, and we just need to
find the James Hunt and someone. Yeah, you know, I
still think Scott Reading would have been the perfect one.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
But they were bros as well, weren't they really well.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
But it's just the way, I don't know. We need
a villain, We need someone to come out of the woodwork.
We need the villain.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Could it be top Rack exactly?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
There's options, but I don't think top Rack can do
it because he just bring everyone's sweet treats over and
be everyone's mate.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Top Practice is just their dish now battle Lava and
unfortunately is going to be on a satellite Yamaha, that's
not going to be fighting for a title next year.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
No exactly, but at least he would have the sweet treats. Yeah,
if you can't beat him on track, he'll beat him
with a heart attack, cut races, worries, he bring.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
The defil Yeah, yeah, no, you're right. We just I
kind of think moorgip it needs a battle, and we
had a battle last year, to be fair. But when
Bagny is involved in a battle, he's such a gentleman
that it never really feels like it's going to hit
a war of words, like it's just going to be

(40:50):
an on track battle and that's going to be the
end of it. Because I think Martie and Bagny seemed
to get on pretty well throughout both their title battles.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, I think what doesn't help us, We've hit that
kind of I want to say generational barrier. But with
such PR at the minute, these guys are so hemmed in.
When they do get to like part for me and
the press conferences, you always see the PR person like
blaring over them. I don't say anything, you've been coached

(41:17):
on this.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
I also think there's a bit of a generational thing
where I don't know, I think you see this in
a lot of sports. Is just younger athletes just seem
to be nicer to each other than previous generations of competitors. Like,
whether it's PR or not, I think generally the young
athletes today are just kind of there for the competition

(41:39):
and not the drama.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, so I got flying it. It was just to assassinate it.
People now are far more empathetic and accepting an understanding
they've ever been before, and that just leads into a
very nice place to be.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Yeah, which is no bad thing. It's wonderful. It's a
wonderful thing create. It's a great work environment for everyone there,
I'm sure. But spectators thrown fueled rage fight, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
We don't want to know this woke ship. We will
everyone tearing until the heads off.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Oh god, Steve, something even reading the daily mail.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Uh, I haven't read the newspaper in years, mate, it's
probably probably the best. Don't start me up. I'll tell
you this beer is good.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Excellent. Well, let's then, Steve, let's take us a quick break,
and then when we come back, we will start talking
about the racing.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
All right, hang on, I gotta find a cursor, first
one and pulls it.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
You find your cursor in the pause button. So guys,
bear with us for just one moment, and we will
be right back with you. And we are back. Thank

(43:03):
you for bearing with us. Ladders are empty. Must admit
my beer is not full. They're gone now well alcohol,
three beers for the evening.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I think I've got maybe one swig left.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Steve's got a single swig left. So there we no
more beers or you look quite sad taking that last week, Steve.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, that's quite a nice beer. Oh well more next week.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
There we go more next week. So let's dive into
the racing, shall we, Steve, Let's do it, buddy, excellent,
Before we dive into the top fives. I just want
to take a moment to talk about Saxon Ring as
a circuit, because it's a great circuit that provides some
really fun racing, but it is starting to feel a

(43:49):
tad to small. There were riders in every class that
managed to find the barriers during crashing, and most of
the time they just bounced to a gentle stop at
the air fence. But I think we got pretty lucky
a few times that no bikes followed them into the
air fences, and it's feeling like something needs to be

(44:10):
done to improve the run off here before someone does
get seriously hurt.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, you're right, there was a couple of crashes where
it did feel a little bit close to the border
when it's only going to take a little bit more
speed or something go wrong and the rider is going
to be followed at the barrier by the bike. So
I think maybe in the next year or two, Sex

(44:34):
Rings sort of should be addressed as one of the
tracks that needs to look at the safety measures. It
won't take a lot, It wouldn't in my opinion, it
wouldn't take a lot at all. It's just maybe one
of the things that needs to be highlighted as a
potential safety issue in the next couple of years.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah, exactly, you only have to combine a couple of
the crashes sort of morbidaly have that terrifying really fast
crash was serious and he got to the barrier, and
then we saw another crash. We saw the vends of
Savagory who had just had the bike almost on top
of him. It's like he'd just been turned upside down
and he was the one that was on the floor
and the bike was riding him into the gravel like
that was pretty scary. But if he'd been going fast enough,

(45:15):
they had a more Deli type crash and that had
happened and he hit a barrier.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Like yeah, there when two When a rider and a
bike get tangled up by that, it becomes messy. Luckily
he walked away and it was all right. But yeah,
that one did have the potential of start getting a
bit nasty. So I don't know. I think for a
safety issue, it will be noted by the people at

(45:39):
the top. So I think for the next couple of
years we might just hopefully see some improvements at Saxon
Ring just to make it a bit sofer.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, I think so. And we know it was announced today,
wasn't it that Saxon Ring has just signed a new
five year deal to continue toast on AGP races. So
I suspect as part of that deal with there were
riders all weekend talking about the barrier has been pretty
close in so I suspect part of the deal has
been that some of these barriers needs to change and
maybe move further back or angles changed potentially, Probably don't

(46:08):
need to move many of them too far back, but
just slight tweaks here and there.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah, just enough to just make it safer. Just little bit,
not much, just little bits.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, exactly From there, then Steve, let's move it into
the top fives. Yes, So Moto three off the top here,
another great race in the lightweight class, like oh so good.
The top five riders were all writ in contention for
the win, even though on the last lap it looked

(46:40):
like it was just between two riders, but as they battled,
they brought everyone back into the fight. So and in
the end the top eight were covered by less than
a second of the line. So it was a really
fun final light lap or two.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah, this was a great race. I love watching this
the Moto three class at the minute is properly chucking
up some great races. It really is every round with
listening back to the shows, were like, this is the
best best roast the weekend, best roads to the weekend.
These guys are properly throwing outce of entertainment at the minute.

(47:13):
It's fantastic to watch.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Quite the top five then Steve in this race looked
like this. A fifth place was Alvaro Karpe, the rookie
still performing well. This has a very good shot of
finishing second in this year's championship as well as finishing
as Rookie of the Year. Not a bad showing, not atol.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Mate. The only trouble with this kind of performance is
everyone's going to expect it year or year. When you
set the benchmark quite this high, you've got to really
like throw the chips down next year. So yeah, don't
get me wrong, fantastic for him, but mate, he's got
to keep capitalizing on this.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, quite fourth place in this one then, and helper
caras he's not quite a speak of rookies that perform
very well in set the bar very high for themselves.
He's not been quite as strong as I expected this year.
Is currently now back in second in the standings, one
point ahead of Carpei, but he's seventy three points behind
Ruaider and first. So yeah, I don't know if you

(48:19):
would decided me Pacaras is going to be second in
the championship by the midway point. But oh, well, that's
pretty good. I expected him to be up there. But
he's seventy three points off the championship leader and he's
only won one race to believe it's two. But let's
have a quick yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, seventy three points is quite a big margin. It's
not not unfeasible though, in Moto three that you could
claw that back at all.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
But I mean we saw Danny Kent nearly lose a
title last having like a ninety point leader.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah we did, Yeah we did. I don't know kind
of expect it would be closer, but the guy is
still having a bloody fantastic season.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah. Third place in this one, then, is the aforementioned
Jose Antonio Ruwaida. Another impressive race. This guy has just
got everything this year, and he was leading on the
final lap until he got MUNIOF.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yes, he did get MUNIOF again, fantastic race, though, this
guy has just like you say, he's got everything this year.
It doesn't matter what scenario you put him in, he
can work it out.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah quite. Yeah, it's impressive. And speaking of impressive, second
in this one was one that Maximo key les once
again just astounding. He really is something special.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Well, this guy is. Yeah, every race we're talking about him,
and I know I'm just every race just watching him
more and more, and it's been more and more impressed
by it.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah. Quite. He did spend the race quite often running
wide and making small errors. He did seem to really
like running over the curbs and just extending the track
out pretty wide in places, but only ever on the
black paint and never on the green paint. So well played, Kiles.
He knows where he's allowed to run wide without getting

(50:15):
a penalty. I suspect when he gets a bit more experienced,
he will stop making these small errors and he's going
to be absolutely unstoppable. And if it weren't for his
late start and then injury after his first race, Kee
Legs would be in a much higher position in the
championship round right now. As it stands, he's in sixth

(50:35):
with ninety seven points. No, he's in six ninety seven
points off the championship lead, only twenty four points off
second place.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
He's not not far away at all. And I say,
if he hadn't missed those first few races, he would
be so much closer. Yeah, I'm looking forward to next
year when the guy has a full season under his belt.
We could really get to rips of what this guy
could do over a full race calendar.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
I'm still not writing him off, you know, to make
an absolute charge in the second half of the year
and be right up there by the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I would tip him to be second in the championship
and close to first place.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
That's kind of how I'm feeling about it. I think
if he's not in second, then something's going very wrong
for his season. But yeah, I suspect he'll be second
and much closer than second place currently is to Ruaida.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yeah, I'm winning this one.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Then. Steve was one David munyoff showing once again, if
he can keep it relatively clean throughout the race, his
aggression really does pay off in the final lapse and
great showing from him again. And he was on the
limit and he was hard, but he was within the
rules and mostly fair. I'm starting to believe that Munyoff

(51:59):
may have turned a corner, and we asked going to
keep seeing the best out of him as this season
rolls on.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, yeah, some of his passes, like you say, we're
a little bit feisty, but it does seem like he's
calved down, So I agree with you. I think he
has started to turn the corner, which is fantastic for
him and.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Fantastic for the Championship as a whole, because just the
idea that we could get this hyper aggressive kind of
David minyof character coming up through the classes is quite fun.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, yeah, it really is.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
You could see him being one of those rookies when
he appears in Motor GP. If he gets there where
you know, the elder Statesman, this is a Mark Marquez
barging or he Lorenzo out out of the way newly
named Lorenzo corner and Herreth and like Lorenzo just wagging
his finger at him in Park fer Maid, Like, I
can see that kind of thing happening with David Minoff.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah. I hadn't considered that, actually, but that is a
good point. I could I could really be on board
for that and see that happening.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
It would be a really fun turnaround if he mark
Marquez out of the way to take a podium and
then it's mart Marquez wagging a finger out every mark.
That would be very good.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
That would be so good. Yeah, oh yeah, there's something
to look forward to.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah, I'm not sure Munioff is going to get to
Motori be quick enough to ever be racing mart Marquez,
but you never know.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, it would be close. It would be very, very close.
But it's feasible.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yeah, on to Moto to then Steve, which is the
class that Munyoff will have to make his way through
before getting to unless he does a Jack Miller or
a Darren Linda.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, yeah, you make it automatically. He promoted right up.
But yeah, Moto.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Too, Moto too. So the top five in Moto two
looked like this. Cell Astino Vietti finished fifth place, and
I kind of get this. Vietti just quietly goes about
getting solid results. You don't see much from him, like
there's no fanfare, but it just feels like he's floating
in and around the top ten most races, creeping into

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the top five occasionally, and just scoring points.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah. He feels like that guy who's always at the
party but you never see him until like the last minute,
but you then realize he's always been there.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah, everyone's like, who's this guy?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yeah, he's all night who's he? Yeah? Yeah, just in
every single photos when everything's developed, you're just like.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Oh, hello, everything's developed, Steve. You're showing your age there, mate,
You know what I mean. When you're looking at your
blurry photos the next day, you're like, what the fuck
happened last night? You're like, how is Cellistino in all
of these? And why does he look happy and healthy? Yeah,
we're all trolleyed and there he is.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Just absolutely looking like a demon, and everyone else is wasted.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, exactly. Fourth place in this one, then Steve was
Manuel Gonza. Now it's a bizarre fourth place this because
in reality, he had an awful weekend. He qualified down
in sixteenth during the rainy qualifying sessions, but managed to
bring it home in fourth thanks to it being a
bit of a race of attrition.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yes, yes, he did.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
For much of the race, it looked like he was
going to lose some ground in the championship to Aron
Cannett and lose a bunch of points to Diogo Morrera,
but in the end he came out on top. And
you don't win a championship on your good days, you
win him on your bad days. This is a good
bad day to have, yes, Yeah, that is a very
good way of putting it.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
He rescued a very bad weekend with in reality a
soul result.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Yeah, exactly, third place in this one. Then Steve doing
it for the Brits.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Jake Dixon, boy, he made hard work of this, and Jesus.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I'm not sure it was in the made half hard
work of it. It was everyone around him hard work.
After qualifying on pole in the wet he did have
a bit of a grim race, punted wide at the
first corner and it took him a while to recover.
But just as he was getting back into the swing
of things and looking threatening, he was crashed into by Morrera.
Every time he looked like he was getting things going

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because he was faster than the leaders. Yeah, he was
really quick. And there was that moment in the race
where Jake was closing in on the two leaders in
front of him pretty quickly, but then Diergan Morrera was
closing in on Jake really quickly as well, and it
just looked like the whole top five were just going
to bunch right up again. But yes, he was crashed

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into by Morrera and that kind of affected the rest
of the well, his race weekend certainly. It just seemed
like every time he got things going, something happened to
stimy the result.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, I really did. It was on a couple of
times he was on a flow and then something would
just happen and luck was just not on his side
this weekend. There was always something there or someone there
to really hamper his result. It happens sometimes to Bracin.

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There's other guys on the track, you can't account for
what they're going to do. And this was just not
to be Jake's weekend. What looked unqualifying, like it was
going to be a runaway weekend for him. I just
wasn't to be.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah quite. But in the end it was another podium
and his first since his win in Texas. So it
did turn out to be a really solid result for Jake,
and he seems to be pretty chaft. He was saying afterwards,
He's like, we've found something, We've found what the problem was.
I'm going to be fast again.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Yeah, yeah, he seemed happy. So you know, come this weekend,
hopefully we could see a bit of a resurgence.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah, fingers crossed. Yes, it's just everything about this weekend
and Bruno is going to be interesting because I don't
know twenty ninety was when it was last on the calendar,
So a lot of these Moto two guys may never
have ridden around it. If they have probably not a
Moto two machines. A lot of the mojorip guys won't
have ridden around it, and guys won't have been near it.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
No, No, there's going to be a lot of people
who are going into this weekend quite blind.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, quite second place in this Moto two race though.
Steve was at Barry Baltus after a couple of poor results.
Barry is back at the pointy end, and he looked
like he probably had the pace to make a move
for a win because he was shadowing on Chows so
closely for much of the race, but the red flag
towards the end stopped him being able to make a

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move in the last couple of lapsed.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah, yeah, this guy had a great weekend. I'd say
it's probably on Tues case pretty much hold on the race,
givet him honest, but the only thing it hampered him
was that red flag. But that's racing again. Somebody else's
mistake cost him what could have been a race win,

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But that's racing.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah. Great, Why there's an argument for you just if
you kind of hit that three quarters mark, if you're
going to make a move, there's an argument to say
that's the time to make the move because if that
red flag comes out, that's the end of the race.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yep, don't think just too Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
And then winning this one, Steve was Dennis on Chu
his second race win of the season in Justice sophomore year.
Dennis is coming on strong right now, and it was
a really solid race. He hit the front early, it
led with relative ease. Barry Boutless, as we said, was
right on his tail for much of the race, but
Dennis never seemed to blink at the pressure. It was

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a really good win, albeit one I'm not convinced he
would have got had the red flag not come out,
but we also know he's a proper fighter, so that
anything could have happened over those last few laps.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, it's speculation at this point. What would have happened
over those last couple of laps, so who knows, but
he is a fighter. Let you say, anything could happened
and made it. You show someone to your front wheel,
that changes the mentality of the person in front. So
anything could happened. But for him the red flag came out,

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he has got the win.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Yeah, exactly. And that red flag was caused by the
albert rain mass And who else was involved in that crash?
Oh god, I can't remember off the top of my
head now, but the al bike just speared straight into
the barrier and blew the air fence, which is why
the red flag had to be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yep. I think it was like a bloody harpoon went
straight into it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
It was one of those, wasn't it, Where like it's
one of those where the centrifugal force just keeps the
bike up right, even though the rider's on the floor
now and the bike is just there's no stopping it.
It's just boom straight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
That really did look like someone was pilling the throttles
still because it looked like that thing was just going
at pace and not slowing down. Yeah, that was quite scary.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Quite but thankfully there was no one in a way,
so the barrier did its job, but the air fence
did his job.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
There, it really did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
We've spoken about him a little bit already in this
top five, but it is worth touching on Dioga Morrera
here because he was riding like an absolute demon in
the race. He started down in twenty fifth place and
properly battled his way towards the front before trying to
wipe out Dixon in a very optimistic overtake. But he
was by far and away the fastest guy on track

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and it looked like he was going to manage to
really in a win from twenty fifth on the grid,
which would have been incredible. Even if he'd finished, you know,
around Dixon and near the podium, it would have been
an absolutely incredible run. But yeah, it wasn't ideal. He
got a bit impatient when trying to get past Dixon,

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hit the back of Dixon's bike. Neither one of them crashed, remarkably,
yet Dixon managed to stay on the track and carried on,
whereas Marrera ran off into the gravel and then onto
the grass. He managed to keep his bike up through
this and power his way out, but when he rejoined
the circuit he did so in a terrible manner and

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got right in the way of some other riders, and
unfortunately David Alonzo slammed into the back of my era
with a huge speed differential, and both providers suffered heavy crashes. Thankfully,
neither was seriously injured. Now, this looked pretty egregious to
start with, and Diogo has been given a pit lane
start for the next race for rejoining in an unsafe manner,

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which I think is probably the minimum penalty from this. Yeah,
I wouldn't have been upset if he'd have had a
race band for this, but I think the misgating circumstances
of riding through the gravel and then through grass that
was a little bit wet and damp meant that he

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probably just did not have the time to be kind
of trajectory he was on. He didn't really have the
time to check over his shoulder, and yeah, when he
did rejoin, it was almost a panicked I need to
get back on the circuit before I crashed on the grass,
So I think a lot of instinct took over rather
than a clear head and good thinking at the time.
I think it'll be a lesson. It will be a

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lesson for him, it'll be a lesson for everyone around him.
But yeah, this was pretty egregious.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Jogo is really starting to annoy me because this guy,
it's clearly talented, it's clearly very fast, but just seems
to attach magnets to other people and just want to
ride into them. And the mistakes this guy is making
this year just Oh, it's starting to get to me

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because the pace he has is in some races just
sublime and it's such a good It.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Was magic here. It was magic what he was able
to do to get through the field. And he was
pretty aggressive. He was pretty rough most of the time,
is as he kind of always has been. But he
was too rough and aggressive trying to get past Jake.
I was just impatience and then that's what kicked to
then fuck it up and cause what could a been
a really serious injuries with himself and David Alonzo.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, yeah, it could have ended badly, all right. I
think you're probably right when you say, you know, he
was just trying to get back on the track and
save it, and he did have to go through the gravel.
He went through the grass, and the instinct says get
back on the track, you go to the straight quick
the closest point, which is right there but unfortunately to him,
right on the racing line. In reality, he should have

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assented that one at the last corner, gone straight across
the gravel, rejoined when everyone else is peeling away in
the other direction. Fuck yeah, he didn't, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
And we've all had a situation where you've been either
driving or you've been riding and something weird happens and
there's just this panic to just bring it back and
you don't do your proper checks and stuff. So everyone
has been there, but maybe you shouldn't be getting yourself
into that situation if you're doing this for a living.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
No, No, I think if you're at this level, even
though you want to win the race and do as
well as you can, sometimes you have got to think
outside or not outside the boxing. You just need to
look over his shoulder, which he didn't, and just realize
who's there, and if it means parking the bike, you
have to park it, which in my eyes he probably

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should have done. There was no safe spot at that
point to rejoin the race unless he nipped the corner,
and he wouldn't have got any sanction for lax who
would have lost so much time that he would have
been well down the order. He could have just rejoined
safely and just brought it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Home and probably still scored a handful of points.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
With the potentially potentially It's just I don't know. The
rush of blood this guy gets seemed to be more
than anyone else we've seen recently, and I don't know
whether that's the factor in it, or it's just the
experience or what it is. But the manner in which
this guy conducts himself sometimes and the things he does,
he's just like, oh Jesus, no good. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
For the record, I'm still a big fan, but this
was Yeah, this was silly. And I think, like we say,
a bit lane start for the next race is just
the least the least he could have expected. And I
think he's got quite lucky to avoid a race band.
I wouldn't have been upset if you've got a race band,
and I don't think maybe would.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Have done No, I think it would have been hard
to argue against it. This was a very lucky, a
very fortunate outcome to a very bad situation.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah. Quite that. Then Steve does bring us on to
the Moto GP top.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Fives, it does.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
So the sprint race soaking wet, the drive Friday practice session,
and then Saturday just belted it down. It's it was
really wild the weather that happened, and it caused quite
the mix up of riders. So let's go through the five.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
For the sprint does dive into a buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Fifth place was Jack Miller. It was wet. What are
you going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
I know it's wet, it's proper tipping it down. Jack
likes a bit of wet int.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Wow, it's funny. I every one always talks about Jack
Miller is amazing wet weather rider. He crashes a lot
in the wet. I'm not convinced he is a great
wet weather rider. I think he's just braver than everyone else,
so he just gets closer to the limit than everyone
else does, and maybe that does make him a great
wet weather rider. But he still crashes more than most.

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I get the feeling he crashes more than most in
the wet, but when it comes off, it comes off good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Yeah. I think he is a good wet wet weather rider.
It's just like you say, he gets over exuberant and
pushes too hard and crashes just as much as he
does and is right. You know, he gets a sniff
of glory and that's it. He's off. But when it
does pay off, he's fantastic. So it's worth a risk

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in my eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
That's fair, especially in the situation he's in at the moment,
to be fair.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Yes, yeah, when you're really trying to preserve your ride.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yeah, quite, it's worth risk. Yeah, exactly, much like that
first win he had Nasson twenty sixteen, like he had
nothing to lose, just you just go for it, and yeah,
maybe that's where it comes off. He's not riding Factory
to Catti or Factory KTM anymore. He needs to take
these risks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Yes, yeah, there's a little bit more give.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Yeah, fourth place in this one, then Steve was Fabio
Digian Antonio and Fabio had really good pace all weekend
and looked like he might be the only rider that
could get anywhere near Mark. Unfortunately that didn't happen in
either race. But yeah, his results do not give a
fair reflection of the pace he had this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
No, this guy was fast. Seriously, for when I was
watching practice, I was like, oh, yeah, this could be
a real tussle. So yeah, you're right. The results do
not reflect the weekend that this guy could have had,
which is a real shame. But it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
This is what happens exactly. It doesn't matter how fast
you are. If you can't either keep it roberside down
or you can't overtake the guys on the day, it
doesn't Matteralez has learned this over and over again in
his career.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Oh god, ya, he really is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Third place then Steve Fabio Coutateerao. Great display, only the
second time he's been on the podium all year. Yeah,
fantastic from Fabio.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Yeah, he really did look good, look happy, He look
comfortable in shit conditions. Shame me doesn't do it more often.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Well, it's just a shame he's not got on a
bike to do it more often, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
That is true?

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
The second place in this one, Marco Berzeki and this
bez a Prillier Combo are coming on really strong right now.
We kind of talked about this at the top and
we're talking about Martine, but yeah, this is a beautiful
relationship forming between the two.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, whatever is going on at a prelier with these
two right now? They've properly. It seems like they've properly
got to bed together and it's just working. I love it.
I'm all on board for it. I like Bess and
he is a great rider. I think he deserves to
be at the point in the end. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Right, and then Steve winning the sprint in the Saxon
ring was the one and only Saxon king himself, Mark Marquez.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
This was painful and sublime to watch in equal measures.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Welcome to Mark Marquez's entire career.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah, it was fantastic. Like I say, a completely botched
start round. Really what at the first corner, I was like,
oh what hang on?

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Watching that he was nearly in the gravel.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Yeah, I was like, he's going down, so he's going
to touch so fact, there's a Saxon ring and he's
just going to fuck it up. But no, somehow he
managed to keep it on track. And just just watching
him work go about his business in this wet wait,

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I know how terrible that. It was a pleasure to
watch Ye's wet w.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah, it was fantastic. I thought he was going to
have to because he so he dropped back to about
sixth I think after running wide there and yeah, and
had to fight through a few guys, and I thought
he was going to have to settle for the bottom
step on the podium as the front guy streaked away
from him. But nah, it's sax and ring and it's
soaking wet, and it's mar Marquez and he rode an
X and race to recover and take the win on
the final lap.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Yeah. He It was a proper a masterclass really of
what you should do managing everything in shit conditions. If
textbook really couldn't ask for more.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, quite. And I told you what I really enjoyed
watching this wet race, and I nearly said wet race
as well, wet race. And I realized why I like
wet race is so much. It is because everything is
slowed down, so they look like they're going really slow.
They're not taking as much lean angle. But you can
really see the guys that are super confident and really

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good in the wet because it's exaggerated how much better
they are than everyone. Like we know Mark Marquez is
better than everyone. We know that. We know he's you know,
getting an extra one degree of lean angle. He's going
an extra three or four kilometers an hour faster around
most of the circuit, but you can really see that
in the wet because all of a sudden, that extra

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one degree of lean angle is four or five degrees.
It's a noticeable difference. He's noticeably able to take a
tighter line, he's noticeably able to open the throttle a
little bit earlier. I get on the brakes a little
bit later. You can see all of this because it's
almost playing out in slow mo, so it's really cool
to watch from that aspect. I really like watching the
riding styles in the wet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Yeah, I know, it means it is nice to see
how they set themselves up, positioning themselves. They're very different sometimes.
And then, like you say, the ones that are confident,
it's very very obvious, and the ones who are lots
of confident, a little nervous, a little twitchy. Again, that

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is very exaggerated. And yeah, wet races do reflect and
show the skill, not skill.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Confidence Absolutely the skill.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, I suppose the skill. Yeah, yeah, I suppose you
have the skill to have the confidence.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
So yeah, skill, Wow, that's not truly true. I've got
waiting most confidence in most things that I've got no
skills for. But that's why I always get hurt, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
I'm old enough to to know my limitations. Once she
brings over a girlfriend, I mean, what.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Let's move it on to the Moto GP race, then
the full Grand Prix that all bore Grand Prix exactly. Now,
it's worth noting that this Grand Prix was so crash
strewn that the top five here is almost utterly useless
as a gauge of pace over the weekend except for
the winner. But to finish first, first, you must finish,

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and most of the crashes in this race were self
inflicted crashes. There were a few notables where it was
Ayagora taking out ya Amir, for example, but most of
the crashes were solo crashes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Yes, yeah they were.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
So the top five then looked like this. Fifth place
was Firmin Aldegare, a quietly good points hall for Fermin,
who was right on the back of fourth place finisher
by the end of the race, but it should have
been nowhere near the top five.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
No, no, he was gifted the top five by everyone
else that departed very early on. But let's raise it,
keep it wrong side down, so he'll take all these
points happily.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Yeah, quite. Fourth place was Fabio Guatateraro another solid ride
and a nice chunk of points, but still a long
way off the front. He finished eighteen seconds back off
the win and only a second ahead of Fermin. Nineteen
seconds covered the top five in this race, and that
must be a record gap for recent years, because I

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can't think of another race where it's been as large
as almost twenty seconds covering the top five riders.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
No, I don't think anyone can, but it is worth
noting as well. Like you said in the notes, so
many people crashed out at the front that these gaps
and times were just exaggerated because realistically Fermi was probably eleventh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Yeah, there's an argument to say that. Yeah, Kinni, Ferman
and Couateraro and even the next two, the bottom two
podium finishers may have well been nowhere near the top five,
kind of fighting at the bottom of the top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Yeah. Absolutely, they should be thankful for the petition they have.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Yeah, quite third place. Then Steve was Peco Bagnaia, seven
seconds off the win, but absolutely outclassed by the Marquez
brothers once again, but considering how Saturday went for him,
this was an amazing result. He qualified in eleventh, two
seconds off the pace in the wet and finished the

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sprint in twelfth place, twenty seconds off the winner, Mark
Marquez in the sprint. So to come back and only
be seven seconds off the win, then you kind of Okay,
this was a big improvement.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
I don't know. Yeah, Mahara is cooling.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Answer, but I stand by those chances he leaves to catty,
he doesn't leave until he's pushed.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
We'll have a case of beer on it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
I's got more staunch in my opinion. I thought he
might go after this contract cycle. The more I think
about it, the more I'm like that, Peko stay do
Kady like him enough? He's banked enough. And obviously there's
gonna be a time when Mark Marquez retires and maybe
he can be there to pick up a championship or
two after that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Yeah, maybe we'll see. I see this was gifted third
place this weekend. Realistically, his pace was nowhere. It just
wasn't happening this weekend. This was one to part the
bike and go home, or.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
It was one to stay on the track and not
crash and get a podium.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Exactly arguments both ways.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Yeah, second place, then, Steve, would you believe it, Alex Marquees,
What the fuck is this about? Broken hand? What of it?
Alex Marquees has I don't know. I'm kind of feeling
that there's an Alex Marquez curse going on here, and
this curse just made everyone in front of him crash

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out until he was in second place, because that's Alex's position.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Alex has clearly spoken to the local witch around the
corner in Andorra and been like, God, sorts, put a
curse on everyone. I'll just finished second. I don't even
want to win. I just want to finish second, get
a good bonus for second.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Does feel that way? This guy is destined to finish
his second this year, no matter what happens. I think
he was playing marrier with lobbin like Apple's banana skins
out must have been the way, Like you say, broken hand,
surgery are all sorts of shit going on. They still
managed to fish in second, So you've got to take

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your hat off to this kid. This weekend. He rode, yeah,
a great race, he finished, rode through the pain, yeah,
and he's got his normal service resumes exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
There was a moment during this race when Alex Marquez
and Pedro Costa were riding very close together and being
pretty tough with each other, and I had these flashbacks
to ask and I was like, oh, no, we know
how this ends.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
I know exactly what you mean. I was watching this
thing again. Here we go as well as we're looking
for what I ship. Just wait for the listen for
the scrapes. You know what.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
The scrapes did come. But that was just Pedro Costa
crashing by himself.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Yeah at that point that, Yeah, just like disengaged his
break lever as well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
Just in cases we will get a bit close.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yeah, I'm just going to roll this off a fraction.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah, and then Steve winning this race was obviously Mark Marquez,
and he really was the only rider in the top
five that probably should have been there. Just an absolute
demolition job from Mark all weekend. He properly showed how
much actually has over the rest of the field at
one of his favorite circuits, and even after the even

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during the last few laps, no one could get within
half a second of his lap times. It was wild
how quick he was.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Yeah, this it's scary when he does this, really scary
because it just highlights how good he is. And you know,
no one could hold a torch to him all weekend.
His only mistakes were his own mistakes. And yeah, you know,
while everyone else was crashing out around him at lower pace,

(01:20:33):
this guy was still putting in fastest laps and being like,
what are you crashing? He must have gone around every
time and was watching people trudge away in the gravel,
going what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, you know,
he's watching his bit bore grow from zero point five one,
one point five, two, three, four five sticks and he must.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Have just been in his big jumps as second place
crashes up to nine seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Yeah that, oh he's gone, he's gone. Yeah, oh Jesus Christ.
Just yeah, it's quite It's fantastic and scary in equal measures.
That just how good this guy is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Yeah, I tell you what. Though during the GP we
didn't really see much of him because the cameras were
pretty focused on what was going on elsewhere, and which
was pretty good, because he had a big leader that
it would have been boring to watch. But even when
we did see him, I didn't feel this way in
the sprint, but I did feel this way in the
Grand Prix. He looked flawless. This wasn't like Kota where

(01:21:35):
it was like, oh, he could make a mistake, or
there's been other circle A Silverstone is a really good example.
We're like, he could make a mistake at any moment.
During the Grand Prix, he didn't look like he was
going to make a mistake at all. He just looked
flawless OUs. He did make a few mistakes in the
sprint running wide and then you know, he had a
couple of moments when fighting with Fabio Patraro, but generally

(01:21:57):
was pretty good. But yeah, in the Grand Prix, he
just looked unstoppable.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah, this guy just threw down south of this weekend.
That was just next level. Yea. I don't know he's
on for a few championships yet, mate.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
It's feeling that way, man, it's feeling that way. This
one and the next one I'd put very good money on.
And then we'll see what happens with the rule change, because.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
That's gonna be the only thing that stops. Stops this
year and next year it is humpson.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
But then you know what if he does a year
in twenty twenty seven and he's like, y haight, shit,
I don't want this fucking hell man, any factory will
sign him, so it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
No, anyone would throw down huge amount of money if
they haven't got it, they will find it. They will
start an only fans and fund it anything.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
I kind of think though, Mark's at a point in
his career where he might not care all that much
about the money we saw him leave that really, Lukes,
if Honda deal to go and ride for quote almost nothing,
Grassini almost nothing, I'm sure for a mogib rider is
still a huge amount of money for average Joe. But
he's made so much money over his career. I think
winning really is the most important thing. Glass he gets

(01:23:11):
all his endorsements and stuff anyway, is not who he
rides for. If he goes ride for someone that's not
sponsored by Monster, then happy days. He can get a
massive red ball logo back on the bike and he
gets a shitload of money from them instead.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Exactly, It's all gravy at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Yeah, quite, And that Steve was the races. I just
this is where my show notes peter out very quickly,
So I just want to touch on why so many
people crashed or no not why but who crashed and
where and why there were so few finishers in this race.

(01:23:45):
So we'll go through the list here very quickly. Morbidelli
had that terrifying crash. Yeah, that's that was properly bare
rolling leathers came undone as well, which was wild. He
just see him sliding and tumbling with his leathers flapping
open like that was Yeah, it was a scary one.
It was one of those that we didn't really see much.

(01:24:07):
He sort of a shot of him lying in the
gravel and looking fucked, and then they cart way quite
quickly and you're like, oh shit, oh no, that wasn't good.
And then no red flag was thrown. You're like, okay, okay,
and then the replay popped up and he went right.
If the replays popped up, it means he's probably okay. However,
I think this is going to look grim and grim.
It did look, mate.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
The cartwheels he did was nothing shy of an Olympian gymnast.
That guy was off and tumbling and he said, leathers open, arms,
legs flailing. I was like, oh, something's broken. How the
fuck you what? He had to miss Sundy's race, But yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
I don't know. I couldn't find anything about if he's
got any severe injuries or whether he was just bad
and bruised.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, I think it was as batters and bruised, and
I'm not bloody surprised. I'd probably shut myself and was
taking two days to clean myself up.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Mate, that was me watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Oh yeah, pretty much. Yeah, lucky lucky man, Yeah quite.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Vignales crashed in Q two after getting through Q one,
and he put himself out of the weekend with a
broken collar bone.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
I think, yes, yeah, he's had it operated on and
is starting the road to recovery.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Okay, I think he's already confirmed he's out for Brundo though,
So yeah, the picture pretty nasty, Okay. I suspect Katie
and well Tech three won't put anyone in to replace
him as is pretty close yep, aness No, who are
there test riders? Paulos Bargo, Danny Pedroza.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
But Danny Bean, But I think they've already announced they
won't be replacing him for this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Okay. That meant that Tech three actually ran at no
riders in any of the races because Basinini missed out
on the race weekend due to appenda citus.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
He did well. It's very inconvenient.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
It worked quite I don't think from everything I've heard
from people who have had appendicitis is that it's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
It may. I've had mine out. Mine burst. It was
fucking horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Oh wow, you actually burst.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Yeah, yeah, just as I've been wheeled in.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
For it to burst, to be fair.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Yeah, but no, that mad That sucked. That's big time.
It felt like to start with that stomach like you've
been out the night before and you've had some dodgy
But then the fatigue started, the sweat and grassially the
pain migrated to that right lower side. By the end
of the car, it's just done and the pain just

(01:26:40):
starts radiate, throwing up. It was fucking horrid.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Oh that's nasty. So yeah, so you can have a
big them with Basculini not wanting to ride, I think
he was just given a heavy couse antibiotics and didn't
need to have it out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
So no, it can flare up and have like infections.
But now when it really gets going, it has to
come out. Yeah. Okay, yeah, you get most healthy scars.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Lovely other crashes in this one then, Steve Fabio, Digi,
Antonio Janzarco, Marco Buzeki ay Agora, who took out Yoamir
with him, Lenz just Savadori crashed under. Yellows has a
double long lap at his next race, but that will
not be Bruno because j Martin is back. Miguel Olivera

(01:27:25):
crashed out, Pedro Costa crashed out. So there was a
lot of bits of carbon fire flying through the gravel traps.
There's some very happy marshals have managed to get themselves
some nice souvenirs from the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Yep, there's some carbon gone home this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Yeah. And with riders not starting and so many crashing,
only ten riders finished this race, and that is the
fewest since Australia twenty eleven, which, let's face it, there
was only about four riders even racing in twenty eleven,
so it's a pretty wild number. I don't actually know.
I didn't look it up. Maybe I should do it

(01:27:59):
that how many riders actually did finish the race in
twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Uh, I won't to say. Oh, to test my knowledge, eight.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Eight, eight riders, you say it would have been a
race that Casey Stoner would have won.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Just trying, I can't picture off my head, but I
know it's very low.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Yeah, hang on, let me find join the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Low numbers of riders as well.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
So yeah, there only would have been like fourteen or
fifteen starting.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
The start of that really dodgy a couple of years
of Motor GP where there was rumors, you know, the
championship may even fold, and that ushered in the CRT era.
Indeed basically save moor GP. Thank god. That was very
much needed back in the days when money suddenly became

(01:28:56):
very tight around the world.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Yes, exactly, we got it here. So it was actually
ten riders that finished that race. Three of them looked
like they got lapped, which would have been Carol Abraham,
Loris Caparossi, and Tonya LEAs all got lapped. The riders
that didn't finish, there was only fourteen stars, Cal Crutchlow,
Hiroshi Ayama, Al vob Artista and Valentino Rossi all crushed

(01:29:21):
out of that race, three of them on lap one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Can you guess the podium for that race, Steve, cast
your mind back. It's twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Twenty eleven, Yeah, Stoner.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Wallet, Stoner did indeed win it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Oh shit, I want to say on the podium he
was no.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
I don't think there was any Milandry. However, the first
name is correct there, so we are looking for a
Marco Oh, sim and Celli, yes, sim and Shelly was
second in this race, and then rounding out the podium,
Steve was a He was a factory rider at the time,

(01:30:11):
very good in the wet. He had taken one race
win by this point in a soaking wet. Donnington no, no,
I can't think. Andrea de Vitio so for the Repsol
Honda team was third, Danny p was fourth, Colin Edwards
was fifth, riding for Tech three. Randy Dipunier was sixth,

(01:30:32):
Nicky Hayden seventh, and then we've done Elias cap Rossi
and Carol Abram no bit history. Yeah, it's funny. The
other day I went back and why was I doing this?
I don't know. I got lost in my own thoughts
and ended up going back and looking at past results
from like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, and some of the
names now I forgot they even existed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
That Every now and again he'd have a look back,
he's like, wow, that was to you, mate, I forgot
about you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, it's fun Note That's why I end
up doing that in my spare time, just looking at
odd results, not even watching the races, just looking at
the results sheets.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Yeah. True.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
That then Steve brings us to the end there. I'm
sure there's more talking points that I've missed. Top your head,
we want to cover.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
I don't think sobody. It was just a bit of
a race of attrition at the end there in Moto GP.
The rest of it was belt in and yeah, we've
got a day and a half before it all kicks
off again.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
We have, indeed, But before we get to that, Steve,
we do have to recap our predictions and make predictions
for Bruno. We do, so let's go through our predictions here, Steve,
the sprints, but the actual sprint result was a Mark
Marquez win and Marco Berzeki second, Fabio Couateraro third. I

(01:31:54):
predicted a Mark Marquez win, a Alex Marquez second, and
a Marco Berzeki third, So I scored four points for
that one. You predicted a Mark Marquez win Maverick Vignalo's second,
which is unfortunate because he didn't even race. You got
screwed there, like he's screwed me in the fantasy squad
and an Alex Marquez third. So you scored three points

(01:32:17):
for Mark and that is it. So I am up
by a point so far, which is good because I
need to recover the points in the Grand Prix. The
actual result was a Mark Marquez win and Alex Marquez
second and a Peco Bagnia third. I predicted a Mark
Marquez win and Alexx Marquez second and a Fabio digan
Antonio third, so I'm taking six points from that one. You, Steve, unbelievable,

(01:32:44):
predicted a Mark Marquez win and Alex Marquez second and
our Peco Bagnia third. Nine points. Steve, very well played. Unbelievable.
I couldn't believe it. When I looked down at that
earlier I saw it, I was like, oh, what a prick.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Stretched it by another couple of points.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Unbelievable. Mate, as if Saxon ring this massive race of
attrition and you just nailed the podium. Very well done.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
I should have gone to the boogies.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
So that gives me ten points in total for the weekend.
It gives you twelve. My score goes up from eighty
to ninety Yours goes up from eighty seven to ninety nine.
You've now got a nine point gap over me. Steve.
You are pulling away now and it's looking a bit worrying.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Well, it's half the season, mate, nine points over a
season nothing half.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
No, that's fair. There's time yet, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
There is time. It could all go horribly wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
So Steve, it is time for Bruno predictions. Now it's
all up in the air. I had to go back
and look at old results for Bruno and there was like,
it's all irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Irrelevant, So this needs to be made up off the cusp.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Yeah. Luckily there's a few names that are just springing
to mind, Steve. So my sprint prediction is a Mark
Marquez win, an Alex Marquez second, and Fabio di Antonio third.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Nice. I'm not too dissimilar, except I'm going for Mark
Overzekian third.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Okay, bother them the first two because we know what
they're going to be.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
Yeah, and you're going pre prediction, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
I'm going for a Mark and Marcus win from an
Alex Marcus second from Peco Bagna third.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Okay, it's just I'm also doing Mark and Alex because
it's so hard to have passed either of.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Them foolish if anything to predict anyone different.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Quite, But who am I going to put in third is?

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
I'm literally going for those three because they served me
so well this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
That's fair, because we.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
I'm gonna go out on a limb. I'm going to
go mental, and I'm putting Fabio Guaateao into.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Third that was still in with a good show.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm doing. Has Fabio raced to
g PPA will have done? I think yeah, yeah, I
would have been twenty nineteen, so yes, he has been
there once, which gives him a bit of an advantage
over some of the field.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Yeah, not much, but a little bit exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
So yeah, that's me, Mark Alex. That will do. And
that then does bring us to the end of the show. Steve.
We're four and a half in now, so I won't
run through the Fantasy Abyss race. We will do that
at some point over the summer break. We'll have a
catch up on that. But as you do point out
to me earlier, Steve, I am now in seventeenth place.

(01:36:10):
There as a humble brags.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
I do not play. I looked down, I saw it.
I was like bloody hell, that man's done. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Yeah, I hadn't even checked because I just knew. I
was like, well, Villiards was out, I'm probably not really
done a lot. And then yeah, I didn't really think
about the fact that I had Mark Alex and Dukatti Lenovo
and Dukatti. So yeah, I still scored pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Abed a healthy choke points. So yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Done, excellent, right then, Steve. That does bring us to
the end of the show. So guys listening, If you
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(01:37:40):
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