Crashes, Wins and Celebrations – MotoGP 2025 Misano Race Review - For The Love Of MotoGP

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Steve, my good man. How the devil are you? Oh?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good, buddy, how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm very good, my friend, I am very good. How
was your weekend?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah it was good, mate, it was good, nice family weekend,
full of lots of watching racing and just good time.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, very standard for us.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
How about yours?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, yeah, As has been the answer for the last
few weeks, it's exactly the same. There was a lot
of racing this weekend. I found myself watching a lot
of car racing highlights for series I don't have huge
much of attention to, but I watched some NASCAR. Nascar
was fun. Nascar might be the most ridiculous motorsport on
the planet. Just it's just unreal that you watch the

(00:46):
highlights and it's essentially just he turned left and crashed,
He turned left and crashed, He turned left and crashed.
Oh that's the end of the first race, within the
actual race. He turned left and crashed, and just on
and on and on. So that was uh. Yeah, I
like it because it's ridiculous, and I'm sure there's a

(01:09):
lot of skill to it, but man, it's not the
most I don't even know what word I'm looking for here.
I don't want to insult the NASCAR fans because it
is fun to watch, but it's just really ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I just think it's awesome. I've watched some of it,
and it is. You look at it, you think who
decided we were just going to go around in circles?
But I get it, I do get it.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
But then I like IndyCar at an Oval. I think
IndyCar at Ovals is fascinating and I really enjoy that.
But I don't know, man Nascar. I think NASCAR is
a very uninspiring motorsport. I think is how I would
describe it. It's good, I will watch it. I will
continue to watch it, partly because it's so fucking ridiculous,
but it's not inspiring like watching Formula One or IndyCar

(01:55):
or Motor GP. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I get where you're coming from. I like it because
I like the the whole show. When you think, like
we said it before, you know, you see guys outside
in the car park, they come for the part you'll
never go inside, just coming for the atmosphere as a
big barbecue, family time.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Whole kind of spectacle of it. I watched one race
once I think it was the Indy five hundred even
or something, and there was guys outside of cameras in
the car parks and there's people grilling on the back
of big pickups, and I'm like, this looks cool.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I get it. Yeah, man, I'd love to go to
the Indy five hundred. I think that would be such
an incredible race to go to.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, I do as well. I think that'd be
a real spectacle. I just I like the whole show
of it.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's fair. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
And then you see the track action, all right, guys
just turning the left, but you see the speeds at
which they're doing and they're doing this and it's I
don't know, there's a lot of skill involved. And you
see the pit crews and the whole kind of because
it's an American it's a big show. Yeah, And I

(03:03):
like that.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
That's fair. I like that. I also found myself watching
some of the Austin round of the World in Durance Championship.
That was fun. Valentino Rossi was there, his car finished third.
What was really cool though, and I think every motorsport
needs to employ this is on the side of the cars.

(03:24):
There's a little digital screen and it tells you what
position they're in, which I thought was amazing.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
That's cool. I've never seen that before and check it out.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, it was cool. It didn't change instantly, so it
took sometimes, like maybe they got to the end of
a sector and then it changed. If there was an
overtake and you're like, how the fuck is the guy
in first behind the guy in second? But they seem
to be racing. They clearly not lapped. What's happening? And
then they'd go past the timing being my imagine, and
then it would swap in like, oh, okay, that makes sense,
and so I thought that was very cool. Speaking of

(03:54):
timings though, on Nascar, fuck me, they were racing and
the timing sometimes I think the timing tower is bad.
On my GP. On Nascar, it seemed to be like
out for lapse, Like you'd watch someone do an overtake
and the timing tower wouldn't change for like forty seconds
or something. What's happening here?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Just rebooting somebody the office is like type it out, quick.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Copy and paste. Yeah, it gives you those kind of vibes,
you know, the Isle of man t t where it's
like the scouts group. The chalk Yeah, the chalkboard. Yeah,
the classic. I think that's gone now, hasn't it.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think it has. I think it's still there, but
I don't think they actually do it anymore. But in
years gone by, Yeah, the locals, it was either a
school or scout group would literally be employed.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
I think it was the local scouts.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think yeah, they'd literally just chalk on times. Every
time they work across the line, they'd change it and
I think it go on. Yeah, no effort. Yeah, but
quite it was a good weekend for motorsport.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
I was Kevin a flick through it as well.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
You had Nelson was on over here, There's the four
hours of Silverston Endurance race for some series. Goodwood Revival
was on, so that was a big going a lot
what was in the revival this weekend? Yeah, Goodwood was
on and watch some of that. It was good weekend
or run for motorsports everywhere. Loads of stuff going on.
So if you're a a smort fan, this was a
big weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, quite quite and obviously most importantly Steve there was
Moto GP.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
There was and there was a lot going on. A
lot happened, a lot of news tests, yesterday as well,
which was interesting. It's been a big weekend.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
It has been a big weekend, Steve. So shall we
dive into it.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Let's go straight for it by the job.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So I'm Tim, he's Steve, and I promise he's not
actually going to strangle me over zoom.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
We could give it a go.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
A Moto GP force joke.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
It works delayed.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
So if you're new to the show, welcome. If you
are returning, welcome back. This is for the love of
Moto GP, the show where Steve and I sit down
with a couple of beers and talk about Moto GP
like we would in the pub. I'm back on Scottish
Fosters this week the old tenants. Steve looks like he

(06:23):
has a mug of coffee sitting in front of dude.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
There's a coffee and a glass of juice. Yeah. So
it's an incident yesterday involving a young child which kept
him up all night.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
So yeah, now Steve's on a mad one. Yeah, I
want a mission red Bull coffee. It's nearly nine pm
and Steve is still knocking back the caffeine. So yeah,
as I have a couple of beers and starts to
get a bit sleepy and a bit more full of cold.
I can only apologize as well by Steve and I

(06:55):
are full of cold. So at some point he hear
each of us blowing our noses. So yeah, yes, as
I slowly fall asleep, Steve will be perking up and
we'll see how this show goes.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
It's gonna be a fun one. Yes, mister Brodie decided
to inspect the pavement on the school Runner. Steve with
his face so.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, you know, man, sometimes you've got to do product testing.
You've got to know that your your counsel tax is
being well spent. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, he didn't a close quarters inspections. Should we call it?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
With his news?

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Bless him?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Bless him. So, Steve, we've got some news to talk
about before we dive into our top fives for Moto three,
Motor two and Moto GP and touch on a few
Moti GP talking points as we go.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yes, yeah, there's lots to chat about.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
There is, so let's start this one from the top then, Steve,
this is the end of Moto E.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
It certainly is. It's been put on hiatus as those are.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Ah, yeah, bullshit, it's it's it's it's it's being not
put on hiatus. Yes, but I do call bullshit because
this is just the end of Motowe. Motov is not
coming back this it's it's game over, as you say,
officially is on hiatus. And this is due to quote
a lack of fan engagement and the changing motorcycle market.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think. To be honest, I'm not surprised.
I'm really not. As much as it's been nice to
watch it. It's not been promoted like Motor GP, it's
not been aired like Motor GP. It's it's an add
on series basically, which is from an emerging market, if

(08:47):
you will, which has failed unfortunately, good good thinking to
get it going early, but in this market, I'm not
surprised at all.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Quite And you say you enjoyed watching it? There? Did
you watch every race?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
No, never had time. It's half the trouble. You know
what annoiby was. Most of it was slotted.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
In in between like.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Qualified and practice and yeah, I don't have.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
The races were at weird times.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, I didn't have the time to watch it all.
With a shorter races what it was, I'm sure they
could have fit it in a race date.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, the fact that they weren't on Sunday was a
bit shit, Like at least one of those races should
have been on a Sunday. I think they were originally
weren't they, But over the last couple of years they've
just moved them both to Saturdays. And I mean I
was super big on most of it when it started,
when we were doing this podcast Motorly, Yeah, we were
so so big on it at the time. But just
like you, for me trying to fit in watching it
has proved really challenging, and I've done very little more

(09:51):
than dabble with the series over the last few years.
From what I understand, it's a super good championship. This
year it's really close, but yeah, it's just hard to
watch it all. And I think you and I have
probably watched more of it than most fans have. So
from that point, you can't blame Dawner for scrapping a
series that wasn't bringing eyeballs in. But I do feel

(10:12):
a little bit disheartened that they have decided to blame
fan engagement and the changing motorcycle market for this decision, because,
as we've said, MOTOV takes place on Friday and a Saturday,
never on a Sunday anymore, and most fans aren't watching
Friday and Saturday, even with races still, the majority of
people are just watching Sundays and this is bound to
have a detrimental effect on the viewing figures. So I

(10:34):
think they could have done more to push motor e
to the four you know, every race weekend, put it
on before Moto three, just have it there ready to go.
I don't see why they couldn't have done that, I
imagine because there's not caite effect potentially for things running over,
but just change the scheduling slightly. So I don't really
understand how why they didn't do that, But they didn't,

(10:58):
and that's that people didn't watch it, and a lot
of people just weren't interested. To be fair, No, it's.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
On the streets. Like in the real world, electric motorcycles
is still in an emerging market. You know, you need
that fan base on the ground to be drawn in
and if it's not in your face kind of pushed
for something new like this. I mean, for me, I've
said it in the past motorcycle racing, I want my

(11:26):
ribs broken by the noise, the smell, it's still a
very sensual thing.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's the noise, it's the smell, it's the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Sensual thing.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, well sense you know what I mean. Sense it's
you know, as they blast past and suddenly realize that problem,
you know what I mean. It's it's hard to describe,
but it's not something that has captivated like I thought

(11:57):
it would, and then trying to push it on to
other people like me, give it a go, and this
is all right. It's cool to hear the title squeal,
but it's not got that same buzz. You know. You
see snippets of like practice starts, and when it's just
I was in and you're off, you hear that rocket
engine go off. It's like suddenly you feel your ribs vibrating.

(12:19):
When you're next to the track, You're like, oh, that's.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
What it's all. I would have liked to have been
at a track though, to see moto E. I think
seeing it might have been a more interesting experience than
watching on TV. But it is what it is. Now.
It's not getting to a race to ever see Moto e.
So that's stun and dusted. Yeah, I do disagree with
a little bit of what you said there at the
top there you were talking about electric most cycles being

(12:42):
an emerging market. Now that's sort of true in a way,
because there is no market for high end electric sports bikes,
and there wasn't when this series began. So the idea
that the changing most cycle market here is affected motor
e sort of seems like bullshit to me, because there
are there's a really strong market for small powered electric

(13:06):
mopeds scooters and you know, even up to the equivalent
of one two five's, which I guess would be before long.
The smaller capacity seems to work better quite and in
cities wonderful. If you live in a city, like in
a huge swathe of Asia, you'll just see electric vehicles
all over the place like they're now the most common.

(13:28):
And that's true with small capacity motorcycles as well, So
there is a booming market for it. It's just not
a superbike market right now. Maybe it will be in
the future, but it's absolutely not yet. But the fact
that Dawner are blaming the motorcycle market for this, I
kind of find a little bit insulting because nothing has

(13:50):
changed with the electric motorcycle market since they started, and
let's face it, there's not actually a real superbike market anymore.
So most most most most cycle sales either tourras or
small capacity machines. If Downer really wanted to target some
sort of road relevance with their racing series, then Moto
GP would be run on tours, Moto two would actually

(14:11):
be a one two five series one two five cc series,
and Moto three would be a moped World Championships that
would really match sales numbers around the world, and that
would be what the motorcycle market is demanding. So the
fact that Downer pretending that this is because of the
motorcycle market is just bullshit. Like what it is is
people aren't watching it partly because people aren't interested, and

(14:33):
maybe the market research was wrong, and uh, well I
thought I was going to be really interested in it,
and it turns out it wasn't all that interested, So
maybe we didn't actually know what we wanted. And realistically,
Donna actually need those slots to put the baggers in,
and I think people are going to be more interested
in the baggers, So that's the real reason this is happening.
Donna are just trying to butter it up for some reason.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
It does feel a little bit like the Blaver's been
able to land falsely. And I think you're right. The
baggers arrive in, it's going to be a big draw
and obviously they're going to need space for that, so
something's got to give way. If scheduling won't allow for both,
something fails. Right, let's try this, and well you're not

(15:17):
giving us the viewer numbers, so off you go. Yeah,
I am certainly going to be keeping a close eye
on eBay see if I can bag one of these
bad boys.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Can you actually buy a Doukati electric superbike yet?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I have absolutely no idea. I really do not know.
In many ways, the petrol head of me hopes not,
you know, because we associate Jukati or any high end
motorcycle manufacturer with all bore or raw motorcycles, and the

(15:54):
the petrol head of me loves burning, you know, liquid dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
So yeah, I'd be super keen to ride an electric bike. Man,
I don't know if you can buy them yet. It
just seems to be prototypes on their website. I'd be
super keen to ride one, to ride one of these
caddies or the Energy because you can buy an Energica bike. Actually,

(16:19):
so you can buy them.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
It would be fun to try. And I'm not particularly well.
Maybe I am and I didn't realize, but I don't
think i'm ad first to not burning dinosaurs. I'd be
super keen to get an electric car. I think i'd
be super keen to ride an electric most bike. I
don't think it would bother me that there's not an
engine rumbling away between my legs. I don't tend to
ride a bike for the vibrations, so I don't think

(16:44):
it would bother me. Yeah, that's why you ride such
an old bike, Steve. The whole thing is just really
rattling around.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I looked at it the other day. I've got it
on a piece of wood in the garage, Like obviously,
that soaks up the oil that's ripping out the bomb.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
That's why I always stand on bits of wood as well,
just to soak up anything that drips out me.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's had a life advice right there, people, if you're
telling for men's failing, standing on a piece.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Of wood, yeah, people, it was like, well, you got
a two by four, you know, I just like to
bance on it occasionally. Yeah, soaks up the liquid.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I started to think up and it was just sat
on this piece of rs B board and the whole
front like mud guard was just vibrating. I got hold
of it. I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Naughty girl. Wow, you sounded a bit like you grant there.
That was weird. That'd be the col so yes, yeah, yeah,
between the two of us, like which is very husky
with justusky sexy voices this evening.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, this is an alternative show.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
FT Moto GP after dark, after after hours, yeah, right,
next up on the news then Steve changes to Moto
two and Moto three. Now this is quite interesting. So
there are rumors circulating that the Moto two and Moto
three padducts are going to be further removed from the

(18:11):
main pit lane and Moto GP paddock in the future,
with temporary padducts set up for the smaller series at
each circuit. So this is essentially they're going to move
Motor two Mot three out of the pit lane and
put them in tense in the car park.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Is the long light way of it?

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, I mean there will be there'll be good tents.
They are going to be tense, yeah, until.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
The monsoon kicks off at Philip Parker and suddenly you
chase it your auning down the road.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
So yeah, quite so. This comes with while they're also
talking about moving the track action around to dedicate more
TV time to Moto GP and less to Moto two
and Moto three over the weekend. This seems to be
to try and promote Moto GP over the other two.
There's quite a lot of Moto two to three teams

(19:00):
right now a little bit upset by this because less
potentially less TV time, less access for people to get
to them, journalists, et cetera, sponsorship, sponsors, exactly, that's the
kind of talk right now. So yeah, this seems to
have come out of nowhere. I don't really know why
this has happened, and I'm certainly not convinced by it

(19:24):
at all. I know in Formula one like this is
how things are done. The Motor GP isn't f one.
There are millions of Formula one fans that never watch
the smaller series. They're just waiting to people get into
Formula one. I think it's probably the minority of Moto
GP fans that don't also watch Moto two and Motor three. Religiously.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, yeah, exactly that when you look at TV coverage
even this weekend of Bizano, there's always people there in
the grandstands holding up placards, banners, t shirts whatever. For
Motor Multi three riders, Yeah they have all right. They
may not have as much of a fan base following
as mo GP riders, but they certainly have a damn

(20:02):
good number of dedicated followers.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I can see what I think you only yeah, quite yeah,
I think you only have to look at how much
fans appreciate the coverage of Motor to and Moto three
by the fact that it's the main commentators that do
Moto GP also do Moto three in Moto two. That
doesn't happen in other motorsports series. The Formula one commentators
aren't commentating on Formula two and Formula three like the

(20:27):
commentators in those series are working their way up to
Formula one. It's the same way the drivers are doing it.
They're working their way out through the series depending on
how popular the series are. Moto GP, like, it's the
same team that does Moto two, Moto three, MOJORP, not
Moto E. To be fair, they did have another commentators there.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yes, yes they did there, but well.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, I think I don't know this just feels weird
to me, and even the idea that they want to
give more time to Motor GP outside of the racing
and less time to MOTI three and Motive two. I
don't think I'm stepping out of line here, but I
think the on track action is what most MOTORGP fans

(21:13):
are here for, not the pre and post race stuff.
I think most of us want to see as much
racing as we can into a condensed amount of time.
Do we really want to spend hours watching a MOTORGP
build up? Like I could understand if it's a season
finale and it's been a great championship, you might get
super stoked, you know, right, I'm gonna watch the two
hour build up show. I ain't doing that. I don't

(21:35):
know how many people are gonna be watching. I'm doing
that every weekend, and I don't know how many people
are gonna do that. Why are we bumping actual racing
out of the way to potentially give more time to
MOTORGP build ups? I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Do you think that this could be maybe part of
the Liberty media's shake up, where now we've got the
same people that obviously cover Formula one, the brains of
that is now covering motor GP, and they're thinking along
the same lines of we could take that idea and

(22:08):
that base and turn that into Motor GP.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Well, there has been talk about this online and speculation,
but from everything Liberty Media was saying is they didn't
really want to change anything to start with. If they
want to sit back for a year or two, they
want to watch what motor GP does and how MotoGP
is before they even start dabbling and making changes. I
think this is a drastic change to potentially be making
this early on. I don't think this is them. I

(22:34):
think this must be Dawner, it must be the FIM.
It must be having a role in it. Like I
don't see this being Liberty No, No, I could be wrong.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
I was along the same lines, you know. I thought
about it earlier when I saw the show notes. I
like part of me feels like it could be influenced
by Liberty Media, maybe people at Donner and like I said,
the FIM have looked at what they do and they're
going to try and suggest that things roll along the
same line. But I'm with you. I love Motor three

(23:08):
and I love Moto two, and I think the build
up is just about right for each series at the minute.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
It's I actually think the Motor GP build up is
a little bit longer.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Sometimes it can be. It can feel that way, and
even I've uttered it in the past where I said,
come on, let's get to the racing. Yeah, because that's
essentially what it's all about. When you're there, you don't
see any of this. You sit there and you wait
for the racing to go round. It's imagine just that
track side and suddenly you've got three.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Hours three hours.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, you've got three hour build up show and you've
got no big screen in front of you, and well,
this is a bit ship.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
And even if you have got a big screen, you've
not got sound, you've not got the international feed. Most
of the time. If there's commentary, it's going to be
in the local language. Like your phone isn't going to
work because there's one hundred thousand people trying to pull
off the same flowers. So all you've got to do
is well, actually, this is probably part of it. You're
gonna wander around and you're gonna spend money.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah, I think that's probably part of it as well.
I think they could make a big mistake if they
change the setup from how it is. I think, you know,
it's fine at the minute. I love the coverage as
it is at the minute. It's a little bit of
a soap opera Motor GP. We get the rivalries built up,

(24:25):
and they could build the tension themselves, but we don't
want too much more of it. I want to see
a day's worth of racing. You know, we got to
the track when we were at Valencia and it was perfect.
Got the really watch the sun rise, what's the warm up?
Watch the fan parid bitchit.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
O. The fam parade is ship mate. I really don't
like fam Paride.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
That should be ditched off. But yeah, in an ideal world,
warm ups racing done. That's a job done. And if
if it's scheduled right and the weather is right, there's
enough in there for the baggers racing, it will be perfect.
As it is is perfect. I really hope this is
just rumors and you know it doesn't happen. Yes, by

(25:12):
all means, Yeah, move the Moto two and Moto three
paddocks if you need to. If there's something we know
there isn't space that some tracks we often see them
sitting outside garages are little chairs. If that's what's influenced
these changes, let's just stick to the garage changes. That's
not take away any TV coverage from these young people

(25:36):
that are trying to work their way up and do
a spectacular job to keep us entertained in the sport
that they love as well, and they deserve all the
recognition and tellytime they could get to keep their fan
bases growing. I just don't I think Dorner will be
making a huge mistake if they're changes.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I agree. And if you think they'll be making
a huge mistake with that, Steve, wait till you hear
the next thing that was tabled I would like to
caveat with This has been squashed for now, but it
is still something that is going to be considered moving
into the future, and that is that potentially Moto two
Moto three could become European only series, which would mean

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there'll be no Moto two or Moto three at any
race weekend outside of Europe.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Absolute bullshit.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
That would be the wankiest thing. It would be really
really shit if they did that.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's a world series, not European series.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
And these exactly because at that point you're like, oh,
it's Moto two, which actually is no different from the
European Moto two Championship that already exists.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Exactly exactly, don't do this, dwner, please, this is an
absolute fast if they do this. In my eyes, if I,
let's say, I don't know, I was a young rider
coming up through the talent cups and suddenly you hear
the news next year three is going to be European only,

(27:05):
and you think, well, you're going to relegate this to
like half the rounds of the series. I've worked my
way my ass off so far. Does partake in a
worldwide series at the the highest level shore in case
of my talent all over the world of building my
fan base, I'd fuck off somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Except where else is there?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Exactly? You're stuck and all of a sudden, all that.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Superbikes is a European only series anyway, like it's there
is nothing else that is still the only option.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, this is terrible. This is such a terrible idea.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, it's really shit. I really hope it doesn't come off.
They're saying it could be for cost reasons, but I
think you just fuck everyone if you do this. Yeah, okay,
maybe then the most Motor three teams, their travel bills
are a little bit lower, but their sponsorship money is
way way lower because they're not going to all the round.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
On effect.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah exactly, it's a really bad idea. If Donna are
truly concerned about the cost for Motoroto three teams, then
they need to pull me up a bit more cash
to help the motor Toomoto three teams get out there,
or they need to find a way to build the
brands of the Motor too Motor three teams and riders
as well, so that more sponsorship money can come into
those and turn them back into true world championships as
opposed to a stepping ladder to the motor gip class.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah exactly, this cannot happen, No way can this happen?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Quite quite And I mean Donna have got the money man,
Like that sale was was it four or five billion
or something like that shows that this is a very
profitable business. Luke is spending that many billions unless they
think they're going to make money back, like there is
a lot of money avaple with.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, Moto three, Motor two make them a lot of money.
And if they're just gonna but fuck it, then it's
a terrible idea.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Quite I mean to be thirsty as a fan, I
don't actually care if Moti two and Moti three. Did
Moti three actually lose money over the series, Like I
think they're so integral to the motor GP class and
to MOTIGIP fandom full stop that even if they are
losing you money, you've got to you can't get rid
of them, like it will just absolutely change the face

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of the sport that we all love.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yeah, exactly that sometimes you've got to suck up a
little bit of lost Moto GP alone will make you
enough money. Sometimes you have to take a bit of
a hit in places. You know, every businessman will know
you take on jobs, and some of them you do
because they are just just just there. Yeah, they may
lose you money, but they will keep your client.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Both exactly exactly. That's it. And you know, if they're
really struggling for money, maybe say, well, every time you
win a world championship, we'll take ten percent of your
earnings and just cycle that through all the money Dawn
could have made off Mark Marquez over the years, oh god.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Millions, But yeah, quite yeah, there's fig as cross people
that don't happen. It gives your thoughts as well. Actually
I'm interested. Drop us a line, let us know what
you will think. I'm interested about this one.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, and actually yeah, it would be nice.
Do get in touch and let us know whether you
whether I'm right about this and whether everyone does watch
Moto Moti two and Moto three religiously or whether actually
that's not a normal thing. And I'm just assuming everyone's
exactly like me.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I watched a lot. It may not always be in
the order, depending on what we're doing, you know, family men.
Sometimes we're out and doing stuff, and if we get
home and I haven't seen any racing, it's always MOGIP first.
But when there's time, it may be Monday, I will
watch Motor and Moti three.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
It will always interesting. So you will watch Moto GP first.
I always watched them in the order that they were shown,
So if you come didn't catch up, I will watch
whatever the first one was, then the second one, then
the third one. Because sometimes the commentators do get spoilers.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
They do, they do that, It's very true. But no,
I always watched the GP first. This became ingrained when
it was in this job I'm in now years ago
because I had to work Sunday after late at night
of course, so it's a case of like shit tired,
GP didn't have time for through so that was always

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fair enough. Getting to work on the Monday, go find
a quiet spot the hide and watched the.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Racing right then, yes, please do get in touch, let
us know about that, and then Steve, let's move it
on to this next one. Yes, I don't know, Steve,
if you've heard much about this. This is quite quite
a secret undercover thing that's been going on recently in

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the Motor GP world. So so Yamaha have actually been
testing a new bike. It's actually been a V four
so if you have missed that, it was finally unveiled
the new V four M one at this weekend's Motor
GP race. I had no idea off the bat. No, no,
I didn't think you would have done. It's been quite

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low key. I was mentioned a bit of a whisper.
Anyone talk about it. We've never spoken about it. The
comments haven't spoken about none of the media have spoken
about it at all. So it was quite a secretive
test that was going on this race weekendboard because Fernandez
was actually on the new V four M one.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Wow, that might explain why there were so many camera
crews outside the Yamaha garage.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Who I know to start with, I was like, well, fuck,
what Gasto Fernandez? Everyone loves him? What kind of scandal
has he been involved in recently?

Speaker 2 (32:30):
A very beautiful superstar model girlfriend and there everyone's like
scandalsly taking pictures off? Yeah, from around the world have
suddenly descended on Mazzano.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Scoop found out there Gusto Fernandez is actually having affair
with Millennia Trump and Trump's wife.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Just some scandal, yeah, exactly, yes, mate. Finally we have
seen and heard the Yamaha VE four.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
In the flesh, and yeah, what a banging looking machine. Mate.
I know the sponsorless which which helped sponsors the Yamaha
Blue Beautiful. But we discussed last week whether we thought
we'd actually tell a difference just looking at it, whether
it was very different to the current inline for one.
The answer is yes, yes, the arrow is very different.

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But even the bike looked skinny. How the bike did
look different, so that was quite cool.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, yeah, I saw a face on outline sort of
stuck over of the two and the old inline for
was much much bigger. Yeah, quite not dramatically, but obviously
a little bit to the V force, obviously skinnier. It's different.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
It looked good in the.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Sound, Oh my dear, Yeah, sounded nice, and it performed
like Considering this was only its first outing, its first
competitive outing, Costo Fernandez was looking good. He ended Friday
faster than both Rinz and olive Era and only a
tenth or a second or so off Miller, which is wild,

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isn't it? And I knew it was only Friday, and
that did change as the weekend went on. But even so,
man and weirdly, the bike was even slower in the
speed traps than the current inline form machine, three to
five kilometers an hour down. But Fernandez was talking about
having more rear grip, more control of the rear, and
considering it seems to be slower at the top end,

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but still within touching distance over the overall lap time
of the Yamaha Arts or the other Yamahas. This is
a really fascinating first test because they're all supposed to
be slow on the strakes but faster in the corners.
This bike in theory is supposed to be faster on
the strakes and slower in the corners, but it's even
slower on the straits and potentially faster through the corners.

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So this might not actually resolve any of the problems
Yamaha are trying to fix, but the potential is massive.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, the first kind of look at this and seeing
what it can do. All Right, it's slower, It's gonna
be slower. There's gonna be teasing problems things they're dialing in.
But it's a lot bloody closer than I thought it
was going to be. Yeah, and only one technical hiccup,
which is shocking as well. I was expecting pistons all

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over the track.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Mate, we were talking about that last week. We both
said we thought that they were going to blow at
least one, if not two engines. Over the race weekend.
They had one small technical issue and Augusto Fernandez crashed
one of the bikes, but that's because he was pushing
to go for a fast lap, so that happens. I
don't know, man, I'm very impressed with how this has
turned out.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Straight out the bat. This is a very very positive
showing and there's plenty of time to get this dulled
in for next year. Yeah, three or four kilometers slower,
all right, it's slower, but it's doable. That could be
made up and absolutely.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
And this is their first time they've built a fucking
V four in a long time, so you know, down
a few kph over the top end probably isn't much
of an ask, No, not this point. You know, whoever
went dumpster diving and stole some stuff out the Dicto
garage bins.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Did a good job.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, quite.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I would be surprised that didn't happen. You know, someone's
rummaging out the back at three am? What are you doing? Nothing?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Is it? Marmarini is the the guy's name, Luca Marmarini.
He was like an F one engineer that's been building
the Amahar engines for a while.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Yeah, I think that's him. Whoever they need to set
their health in him. This is a great first show
and this is really really positive. Everyone got the hands
on it yesterday to have a little testy.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yes. So the news coming out of that seems to
be a yeah, mixed, doesn't it. Coraterao has come out
and said that he thinks the bike is just worse
in every aspect, which I mean, he was cutting quite
a dejected figure about it, seeming to me very unimpressed.
But man, come on, they weren't going to build you
a fucking GP twenty five out a bat like, give
them a chance. They've just brought you an entirely brand

(37:03):
new motorcycle like this feels like, give them a chance here,
and this will be a very different bike come Valencia. Yeah,
and I think it's also going to wild Card. It's
a pang. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I think They've got two more out.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Into this year, so I'm sure we're going to see
some differences. Yeah, and then the Valencia Test, and I'm
sure everyone will be on it for the Valencia Test
because I'm convinced this will be Yamaha's bike next year.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
They have to. They have to jump on this. If
if suddenly they abandoned this project and go back to
the inline for well, fuck me.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, quite heads will roll. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Mixed reaction for the riders. I'm not surprised Couaratero came
out and didn't have too much positive to say. You know,
he's the one that's been there the longest, through all
the hell and high water and has just needed an
answer for so long. I think sometimes, you know, when
so many promises have been made, finally you get that

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result and you want to wrap your present and it's
a ship. Yeah, kind of like damn it. But it
will get better. It will get better.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Like Mamma asked for a Honda, not a Hondao.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, what's this you not an oh?

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah? Or in this case it's I asked for a Yamaha,
not a Yamaho.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yama who yes, where do you get this from?

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Timu? Yeah, exactly, Sorry, don't apologize to team when you mate.
There's no need, no knock our central quite Miller. Though
Jack Miller seemed quite positive about the new machine. He
did say there's a long way to go, but they're

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in the ballpark and the potential is there. So I
don't know if Miller is also desperately trying to impress Yamaha.
So he maybe has a job moving into the future
after next year, so whereas Quadrara, you know, Yamaha are
desperately trying to keep him. So maybe they do have
to have quite different response to this. But I think,
considering this is only the second time most of the

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current Yamaha rider's had a chance to ride the bike.
I do think Miller's opinion is probably the one we
should be listening to here. Quao quite famously doesn't really
know what he wants from a bike. We've seen this
already through his Yamaha career. I think he's probably been
guilty of putting Yamaha down a weird path when every
other Yamaha rider was like, no, we don't need more power,

(39:26):
we need more rig rib, but they listened to Quaateraro
and it's just got worse from there. I know it
doesn't matter what you give him, he will get the
absolute maximum out of it. But I think his data
is more valuable than his feedback. I don't think you
should be listening too much to Quaateraro about this. And
this bike is so new, like we said, there's going
to be so much more development. It's going to be exciting.

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Just it's next couple of outings to see how it's progressed,
and then interesting after the Valencia test.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to be an interesting journey to watch.
Improvements will be made and I'm hoping that Yamahara and
to improve this quite quickly ahead next year. And I
think You're right. This will be Yamaha's bike for next year.
So if they're going to commit to four bikes for it,
there's going to have to be vast amounts of changes
made quite quickly to produce a competitive bike. But after

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the show this weekend from Augusto, the first steps are
really really positive. So I think overall Yamaha and their
boffins could be sort of proud of what they've achieved
so far. The test will be now to make it competitive.
They've got the package. Now it is time to fine
tune and you know, dial everything in. I think they'll

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be fine.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, exactly. And we did mention over the last couple
of weeks. You're like, well, why didn't they just give
all the riders, just chuck them all on a veple
now and job done. They can just test the fuck
out of it. It turns out that can't actually happen
due to the homologation rules. And now this isn't the
engine hamligation because all the Amahar riders are free swap
engines because they're rank the concession status. But bikes also

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have arrow herm alligation rules and gearbox ratio harm alligation rules.
So the gearbox needs to be molligated at the start
of the season, so that's already a nogo. This V four. Now,
I'm saying a lot of things that I don't actually understand,
but this is what everyone else is saying, so I'm
just going to repeat them. The V four requires a
very different series of gear ratios, both a primary gear

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and the other gears, so swapping over from what the
INLINE four needs is already a logo. And even if
Yamaha could make the V four work with the current
gear ratios, they're not allowed any Arrow updates. They've already
had their one arrow update for the year, and the
V four has got a different arrow set on it.
So yes, probably they could patch it together. They could,

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Like I say, I don't really understand ratios and gearboxes,
but they could probably force it to work, even if
it's not going to be.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Ideal, it's going to go badly.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Well, yes, you're gonna get some data right now. Sorry, sorry,
no you you. I was just gonna jabber on because
I ain't got fun clear on talking about all right.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
All basically comes down to how the v V four
and the Inline for deliver their power and how much
they can rev. So the difference is you can't strap
one gearbox on the from the inline to the V
four because it won't work in harmony. You need to
take how the power is delivered at a certain point
from the V for and make that gearbox work for

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that one engine. The two things are completely different. It
would be trying to put your automatic transmission in my
car because it's not designed for that engine and that car.
It just won't work.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
See this is where I struggle because I sort of
know that's the theory, but I also want to know why,
because nothing it's says to me. Surely, if I can
attach the energy coming out of the engine of your car,
for example, to your car and my automatic gearbox, if

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I can make the energy from your engine spin the
things in my gearbox, it's not going to be one
hundred percent efficient. It's not going to be as good
as it would have been if they'd been designed to
work together. But surely they should still just work together.
They're just gonna be They're gonna be a bit like
colleagues that don't really like each other, but they'll just
do the job.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah, essentially they will work together.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
But like let's say you're not gonna get the peak
out of it. I guess you're going to be.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
You're going to struggle. It's going to be you could
let's say you pull away on a V four with
an inline four gearbox. There's potential there for that V
four to rev higher or lower depending on how you
set it up.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
But you're I think that is it more that the
power is going to be delivered at a different red range. Yeah, yeah,
we're delivered in a slightly different way. So you're going
to need whatever what's the prime gear? See, this is
the first engines your so where when you're at number one,
that's your primary gear?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yes, okay, so let's saying.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Everything is based on that ratio if you've got the
fuck knows mate. I was gonna start talking about numbers
of teeth, but honestly, it just means nothing to me.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Right, more teeth you have on let's say you put
you change your engines sprocket, it goes around. You lower
the number of teeth, you're going to get more acceleration
because that's going to spin quicker. You make it bigger,
you put more teeth on it, You're going to get
more top end because it's going to take longer to turn.
Let you go, So, m.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Is it this brocket ye on the engine itself?

Speaker 2 (44:52):
See this is the you can change both.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
You can visualize in things that I don't have descriptions for.
So you've got the sprocket on the engine itself, and
then you've got to chain that comes to the gearbox.
So think, let's break it down to push bike. Steve.
I've got the gear on my pedals basically, and then
I've got the gears at the back. You're gonna draw
me a diagram, an't You're going to.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Draw you a weird diagram. So you've got a big
cog on the back. This looks like a weird skateboard.
Big cog on the back.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
This is fantastic podcasting. And you've got a little sp
I can describe this. Steve has got He's drawn two circles.
One's bigger than the other and there's a chain going
between them. Right now, you make that front sprocket smaller
for more acceleration, But are you're not also going to
get more top end out of that front'sprocket if it's smaller,

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because that's going to be turning faster more if you
make it bigger more. This is where you're going to
get more top end if you make it bigger.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, so this is where you have to work out
the ratios. You can also change the rearsprocket to coincide
with that, but generally you have more teeth on the
rear in the front, and your engine governs like the
peak revs. Let's say you all engine revs up to
fifteen thousand rpm, right, which is quite a lot, and
you take a standard gearbox and your primary gear can

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only go up to let's say twelve thousand, and you start.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
So your primary gear is gear one on the back
and not the size of the sprocket coming off the engine.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Now take the sprockets out of the equation when you're
talking about gears, because it's the gears in the.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Gearbox myte It's a good job you're here because I
feel sometimes, Steve, when I'm talking to you about engines
and things, as someone who consists themselves a massive motor
GP fan. I talk to you and we get even
past the paintwork, and we're not deep into motorcycle engineering here.
But I realize sometimes that when I'm watching motorbikes. I'm

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there like a small child. But that's really pretty, and
that's about all I understand. There is least some working
knowledge about how engines work, so it's all a bit
much for me.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
It's basically if you were if you're engine can red
to fifteen thousand. Let's just use that's the number, and
you take it gearbox which only has a first year
capacity to rev up to twelve thousand. You start pinning
your bike to fifteen thousand rpmkis goodbye to your gearbox
because you're over cycling it. You're asking that to turn
faster than it can handle.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
But why would you Why would you do that? Like
because you can't surely eat?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
That might be it's been far heart taken because I
can't it spin fast.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
If I just put more green, sure it's just gonna work.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
No, you're just melt the grease. You're just overheated more
more just dejected grease with them, Yeah, just with a
higher melting temperature. It then becomes down designs. So you
take your privary gear. It's you get the same thing
called angle grinders at work. The machine, the bare angle

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grinder will have a maximum disc rotation capacity of say
ten thousand rpm. The disc itself, the cutting disc which
you will go into screw fix or any kind of
hardware store and buy, will have a rotation rating on it,
and the two have to marry up. If you start
putting on a cutting disc that is only rated to
five thousand rpm on a ten thousand rpm machine, that

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fucker is just going to shatter into a million bits
the minute the machine which just falls apart.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, if anything, would it just break just there because
the speed.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
The centrifugal force is pushing it outwards and asking it
to turn faster than it can accept, and it will
just explode.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Well, but you could put on a cutting disc that
had a twenty thousand rpm limit and that would just
be fine. Yeah, you're not going to have any depth
to that except maybe it's heavier, so you're not going
to spit up to the speed. It's because the machine
is designed for.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, so your machine can only go to ten thousand
cutting disc is rated to say again, as you was fifteen,
your machine can't make that hit its top capacity, so
it's going to be safe. Same with a gearbox. If
you ask a gearbox to overhear of it's a series
of cogs, and if you start asking that to turn faster,
centrifugal force and all the tolerances within that will start

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pulling itself apart.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
But in a Moto GP instance, they can only rev
up to a certain point anyway. Yeah, they can't rev.
They've got a rev limit in there. They can't rev two.
Do they have revelev it? I feel like there's a.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Revelute the rules. Yeah, But this is the point their
gearboxes because their prototypes are made in Harbory with that engine.
So if you Yamahava to say, just Nick Quarero's gearbox
out of is in line.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Four for a gust though, won't work? Not made to
designed to work together. So I it would work though,
wouldn't it. You could move the motorcycle around the track.
You're just going to be missing out on the final
one or two percent of pure performance is what we're
talking here, right, We're probably the fact that the gearbox

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is just going to blow up.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
It will be. It depends on what rating that gearbox is.
It could be sluggish. You could find that suddenly your
you know it will work to a certain extent, but
you don't unless you know the full tolerances if you
just say, hey, yeah, we've got your gearbox, and the
guy goes out and pins it. You don't know what's
going to happen, but surely.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
That would Surely that would be fine as long as
the rev limits are matched, which they would be. Surely
Is this more to do with the fact that it's
not even the tolerances within the gearbox? It's going to
be that because a E four is going to deliver
power at a different rev range and in a different way.

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Maybe it's more linear, maybe it's less linear, Maybe it's experiential.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
I don't know a fact, but like you just.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Need to tune the gearbox to change gear at a
different rev level. For example, say that normally you're going
to be revving up to eleventh outd and rpm before
you change gear. Maybe now you're going to be only
going to ten thousand or ten thousand, five hundred and
in which case you need to make the gears a
different size so that when you change them when you
hit the certain revs. I don't fucking know that it's

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going to be quite a linear progression of speed to
power as opposed to maybe if you're using the wrong
gearbox that is expecting to have to change. I honestly
don't know if you've got a someone's gearbox that needs
to change.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
First gear needs to change are optimally at let's say
ten thousand revs. But you could push your your your
machindent's capable of pushing beyond there, and you suddenly start
taking it to twelve, you're going to overstress the engine.
And when the power comes in a different way, if
it starts hitting like the peak performance after your gearbox capacity,

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that's when disaster is going to happen. And also at
the bottom end as well. You know, if you're asking
it to pull away and things aren't working proper, you
can find it sluggish. You're not getting that sort of
perfect performance out of all the time.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Okay, in conclusion, we're not going to see Fabio competing
on a V four until next season. No, there we go,
job done. Maybe we should start a text show, Steve.
That was fun. I think we could do like some
kind of house made style YouTube series in which I'm
just walking around like a gormous bug and you're trying
to explain things to me.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I don't know if I've got any motorcycle parts here
that I could show you stuff with I've got a
push rod.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
There's just a bit of an engine in it. Is
that a thing that turns in the engine?

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Actually, no, it's just a long piece of meal.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Oh mate, This entire time I think I was getting
pushed rod confused with a cam. I'm not even going
to ask for this show? Is this? This show is
going to be too long.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
For Essentially, that's what changes gearing by boke.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
But that's not attached to anything obviously right now, it's not.
But that gets pushed across and disengages by clutch. That's it.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Well, I'm going to trim that down to the right
length so that that's perfect to slide across my bike
and that literally goes from one side of my bike
to the other.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
It's unbelievable, Steve, that you ride a motorcycle that when
you buy parts for it you need to make them fit.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, this is about thirty mil or too long. But
I need to trim it down to the right length,
and then I've got hardened the end that I I trim.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
I've got some films you could chay it that would
do that job.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
That's a different kind of thing, mate. Under an oxta
settling torch.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Oh, and then call it quickly.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Temperate, Yes, temperate, so it will take thee in the
very warm engine.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
I'd never considered again, it's madness that you ride a
motorcycle that not only can you not buy the right
size bits for, you can't even buy bits that are
going to work until you've done some magic to them.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Well, I could put it in as it stands. It
was just a lot quicker. How hard that lasts longer? Oh,
there's a pun.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
That's That's what I say to all the ladies, And
the response is always, it doesn't make a difference to him.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
No, don't worry about it, darling.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
That's not the problem. It's it's not the finishing myself
as the issue. No, it's finishing.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
It's like show hotel now I've.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Got it's this rubbish podcasting. But Steve's currently holding up
what looks like the kind of package you get, like
artwork sent in. It's like almost like a cardboard backed
envelope that looks pretty solid. Tea looks like a monkey
who's never seen a package before. So it's it's interesting
to watch. This is evolution in progress. This is when

(54:51):
it turns out it opened just like an envelope. So
that was embarrassing. So long back it. Oh, that is
a gasket.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
That is a gasket.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
That is that's a massive gasket. I could fit through
that gasket.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Give a head in. So that is a primary side
gasket for an old aten. Because I broke.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
So you're gonna turn your entire engine block in half
and you're going to pop that in between when you
bolt it all back together.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
No, I have an inspectionn cover. There's that whole thing.
That whole side of my bike comes.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Off to reveal the clutch and drive side before you
have to. That's the side of the bike.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Okay, Yeah, so I take that off, take the clutch off.
Then there's an inner case that comes away from the
actual engine. Then I could take the engine out. Then
I can put the engine in half.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Oh look at that. See show and tell here. At
least I knew it was a gasket though, So really
it could be a mechanic at this point, could be,
could be, And I'm pretty good at opening envelopes, so
I could definitely be a mechanics assistant. Yeah, you better
open the envelopes with me. I thought i'd opened up
or there we go.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Terrible point.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Well, that that was Show and Tell, so let's move
it on. They've got one more news item to cover
and then we will get into the top fives. This
has been that was very off piece for quite a
while there, so but all quite relevant.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
But everyone who's stuck with it, they're probably taking notes
because to keep up with this podcast you need a medal.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, interestingly, so this is a good tangent. Shari was
reading the book the other day and it makes that
sound like that's a surprising thing people read books who no.
Chari was reading the other day and I came to
the caravan as she was there with an a four
bit of paper that she was writing on while she
was reading, and I was like, that's a bit weird.
Maybe she's taking notes whatever. Didn't really think much of it.

(56:42):
And then I looked across and it looked like a
family tree, and I was like, sure, what are you.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Doing into it?

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Ah? This story is very complicated and there are a
lot of characters and I can't work out who's who.
So I've had to make a family tree that every
character in the story and to each other. Yeah, it
seemed like hard work. So I think people are probably
making a similar thing to try and get through this
podcast right now. And now we've just for some reason
got a Shari tangent at the bottom of their page

(57:07):
and they're like, hous is even fucking relevant?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
New listeners, Who the fuck is your.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yes a good point, new listeners, to be fair. If
you've and you're still here, then cracking job. Well done.
This is for the love of Motor GP, and this
is Steve and I having a couple of beers and
talking about MOGP like we would in the pub.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Literally, you get the tangents and everything. This is essentially
what we do. We don't edit the show, don't script it.
We have some notes and basically we just talked it
for a couple of hours.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
There we go exactly. It's such a weekly opportunity for
Steve and I just catch up.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
That's basically what it is. It's not in the pub anymore.
Well maybe in a couple of when you're black.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Yeah, will we see man see anyway, last news item
Steve here Morbidelli's warning this I like this one. This
has been fun. So going into the Bizaro weekend. Frankie Morbidelli,
who has, let's face it, been involved in all sorts
of bad behavior this year, was called into the steward's

(58:10):
office for a stern talking to, and he was essentially
told that any more on track incidents this season would
be punished much more severely than the long lap penalties
he has been receiving. Next time he reaches riding etiquette,
he will receive a race ruining ride through penalty, and
then if he does it again, he's looking at a
race ban. So a ride through penalty is somewhere between

(58:31):
eighteen and thirty seconds, depending on the length of the
pit lane at the circuit. That's enough to trashy race
and race ban obviously ruge your weekend. So yeah, Morbidelli
is really on his final warning at this point.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, Yeah, Craifar has put his foot down and mister
Morbidelly into the headmaster's office and given him a stern
tongue lashing. Rightfully so, because it seems like when we
talk about on track incident, Morbidelli is always there somewhere.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Like Morbidelli is always there.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yeah, he's striking me as the bad boy of the
paddock at the minute, and I love that we always
want a bad boy, I see. I just want to
see him turned up to the paduct one day like
some obnoxious car, ripped jeans, rock and roll, T shirt music,
blair and smok of the fag and just be the
bad boy.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
The funny thing is, though all of that sort of
suits his image, doesn't it Like he's he's listening to
classic rock. Like he's not pulling up listening to scream. Oh,
he's pulling up listening to some kind of anywhere from
the sixties to the eighties rock. Definitely a leather jacket, yeah,
hairti ripped jeans, Yeah, exactly. Hair. He would involve him

(59:44):
growing his hair again. But yeah, you could see him
smoking a joint on his way in, like you could
see him being the naughty boy of the paddock. Absolutely
except for the fact he seems so fucking chill until
he gets on a motorcycle and then he turns into
an absolute monster. It's the minute he puts that helmet.
We all do it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
We've become a different beast. Any motorcycle rider out there,
well know, you know there's certainly quitet as the voices
in my head when I flipped the visor down. He's
just start talking to him. Yeah, hit that one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
It's what it is, you know, essentially, this is his job.
We all have split personalities when it comes to work,
work mode and home mode, and it's just he does
an exceptional job of getting in the way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah quite so. Yes, Frankie is on his last warning
for the rest of the season now. And to be fair,
he behaved himself quite well in this race weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yeah, this was a good showing. So I think it's
probably stuck. He's probably shit. I need to tone this
down a bit. But you know, he's been involved in
what feels like every single incident this year, so at
some point, warnings are going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Yeah, exactly. On that note, then, Steve, let's you and
I take a quick break. When we come back, we
will dive into our top fives. Yes we shall. Let's
go for it, buddy, good stuff. So guys, bear with
us for just one moment and we will be right
back with you and we are back. Thank you for

(01:01:34):
bearing with us. But had is our empty beers are full.
Steve's got a cold glass of orange squash there ready
to guard. And there we go, and we are ready
to talk. Moto three. So Steve, this was a really
nice Moto three race. The field spread out really well.

(01:01:56):
There was a small leading group who had a great
battle for much of the race. And I think I
like Moto three much more on tracks like Mazzano without
the epic long straits that keep everyone together. Like seeing
a small group of the best riders in the class
duel it out is becoming much more interesting to me
than seeing them five wide down the straight. As the

(01:02:16):
slipstream allows everyone to really stick together.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
We say I like it, I like this, but I'm
also the other way. I think we've got the for
Moto three. We've got the perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Mixture of tracks because it gives us everything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yes, I completely agree. I love this Rose they you
know that we had little groups all battling out. We've
got to see different skill levels and different riders tussling away.
But I also like the mix we get so somewhere
we go like Magello where they are all kept together.
It's the nice balance of different styles of track which
gives us different types of racing. So I think for Moto.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Yeah, it's a good test for the best riders to
be fair because they have to be able to be
good enough to exact let out like this, but then
they need their racecraft and really hone their racecraft for
those battles where they've got like ten people around them.
So yeah, I suppose it's and it is a good mix.
You're right. I think it is. It's cracking that we

(01:03:13):
get both kind of variations of it, But yeah, I
think it's a good trial by fire for the riders
in the class to be able. If you can conquer
both types of racing, then you're pretty well set up
to move forward with motorcycle racing career. And I say
move forward because I still don't think that's the way
it should be. I'd be much happier, I think, to
see career Moto two and Motor three riders, But that's

(01:03:35):
not the reality we live in at the moment. Nope,
not at the moment. So yeah, we get what we're given.
But this race was good, Yes, yes, it was indeed,
and the top five in it. Steve looked like this
fifth place was and Helper care as he seemed to
find himself a little bit stuck again, back to that

(01:03:55):
not being able to overtake as easily as some of
his rivals can. Fifth place is still a good result,
but it feels like the championship is out of his
grasp now, like there's no it doesn't feel like there's
any true route for him to get a championship now,
whereas it did even a couple of races ago.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Yeah, for the last couple of rounds, he's been stuck
in this kind of like not able to overtake kind
of rhythm. What's changed.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
I mean, he did win the last race, to be fair,
we did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I think I think one or two before that he
was kind of sort of stuck. He's having these ups
and downs where some rounds have definitely seem definitely more
difficult for him to overtake than others. Yeah, whereas the
last time out he did seem to just destroy it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yeah, it was kind of that mid season thing, wasn't it.
It was from like Lemon to Austria really seemed to
just he was in the lead pack but didn't seem
like he could really make moves. And this felt a
bit like that again, as opposed to the picrosus we
saw at the start of the year and the we've
seen over the last couple of rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Yes, Yeah, all in all, fifth places fantastic, but you're right,
it does feel kind of like the championship is out
of grass now. But even sir, the guy's having a
great season and he should be proud of the things
that he's done so far.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Yeah. Absolutely. Fourth place then was Joel Kelso And it
feels like a while since Joel has been in the
top five at the end of the race. He seems
to be in the mix most weekends, but hasn't really
been getting it across the line in the top five.
So it was cool to see the Aussie back.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yeah. Yeah, he always seems like he's at the top,
one of those consistent top runners, but slips back just
enough to take him away from the top five. They
going fourth place, great to see signed with m LAV
Racing at the weekend, so he will be brazen will
lavaty next year, and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
As will the third place finisher Adrian Fernandez. Yeah, I
think they both signed with m LAV for next year.
So there's the end of the m laving in bringing
British riders into Moto III experiment. That is done and dusted.
Now that is over.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
That little experiment is done. But there we are.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Nothing else really, no quite and there's obviously not that
much right now British talent ready to jump onto the
world stage and most.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Through what he had to do is cool. I felt
quite offended by this. I was like, you know, I've
mentioned the hairline before, but damn I haven't mentioned it
that much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Michael and less face it, mate, You've still got more
hair than than them lab has.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
So yeah, that's true. Nice guy though, I'd love to
speak to him. But yeah, number of British riders mean that.
You know, it was probably going to draw up at
some point.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Yeah, here we are, yeah, exactly quite but yes, the
place was Adrian Fernandez returning to the podium once again.
It's hard to believe after his great run at the
end of last year and into this year that this
is his first podium sits round two in Argentina this season. Absolutely,
it's been again at the front, quite a lot, battling

(01:07:02):
in the group, quite a lot. But just yeah, not
the podium count that I thought he was going to
rock up this year.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
No, I don't think it is for anyone. I think
everyone had his podium count a lot higher. But still
it's nice to see him back on the box, back
up there. So let's hope he can finish the last
six round strong.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Quite Second place then was a maximum key les after
the disappointment of last weekend. This was exactly the bounce
back he needed. He was still pretty exuberant with the
edges of the track, running wide a lot, and he
definitely gave up more than a tenth of a second
with all his excursions, and that was the race winning

(01:07:39):
margin exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Yeah, he did like the green this weekend, well, the blue.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
He touched the blue a lot, so it didn't really
get penalties for it, because you don't get penalties to
running onto the blue. I think he probably touched the
green a few times, but not enough to get a
penalty or anything. But yeah, he was off and his
lines were weird and a bit all over the place,
as we have seen from him previously in his rookie year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, this looks like he was pushing hard and definitely
over riding it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Sometimes it was, But then it was interesting because during
the race it seemed like he didn't quite have the
same punch out of the corners or the same top
end as some of the bikes around him, and he
was making up most of his time on the brakes
and through the corners, which I guess explains why he
was running wide so much. But it seemed quite obvious,
at least to me, that he didn't really have the
same punch. And I don't know whether that was just

(01:08:33):
a set up choice or whether that's something that maybe
has been happening with him all year and I've just
not noticed whether that was this track specifically, but it
just seemed like he didn't have the same punch out
of the corners as some of his rivals did. Yeah,
but he's still was fucking second. So what did it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Yeah, exactly like said, there's little loft track excursion. Bit's
definitely cost him, but second place perfect waiting bounds back
after the last weekend and still.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
In his rookie year. Mate, the guy's a phenom is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Oh, he's gonna have a fantastic future.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
This kid really is quite And then winning this one
steve as has been the way of things this year.
Jose Antonio Ruaida. The epic run continues and he now
has a seventy eight point gap in the championship. We're
just six rounds to go. He could sit out the
next three rounds and still be leaving the championship, so
it's hard to think anyone is going to get near

(01:09:23):
him now. But we have seen massive points swings in
Moto three in the past, so it's not definitely he's
got a hand on the trophy. It's not over yet,
but I'm not holding my breath for there to be
a championship BATTLEMO three going down to Valencia. It will
be a hell of a storyline.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
If this all goes wrong at this point, there's going
to be some disasters and in it would be unfortunate
for him. It would make fantastic viewing for all of
us at home and what a storyline. But for him,
it just looks like it's almost wrapped up already. So

(01:10:03):
I don't know his round consistently score points, that's all
he's got to do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Literally all he's got to do. Mate. Yeah, happy days.
I think he will be crowned champion. I'm going to
put my money on Philip Island champion. I was going
to say Philip Island as well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
I must have been three rounds or two rounds to
go after that, so round three round after that, Yeah,
I had to stop and think then yeah, yeah, I
think philipon.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Moving on to Moto to then Steve. You know this
was it was a fun race. There was a couple
of characters that made it very exciting. There's a bit
of battling, but it wasn't super exciting right at the
very front.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
No, the front was kind of a date but still interesting.
Nice to watch a very yeah races.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Ride, I think, kind of a way to put it.
But it still kept me entertained. Yeah, yeah, there was
enough to keep your gripped, which was the important thing. Yes,
so the top five then in this one looked like
this fifth place was senter aegis and nice to see
the Aussie back in the top five for the first
time in a while. Must have been on the Fosters

(01:11:21):
this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Had to be.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Had to be Rocket juice, Yeah, had to be exactly.
It's like I'm considering that Foster's is a bit like
Spinach to Popeye, Foster's to Australians. That's that's how that works.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah, I think they probably pull it out every now
and again. You know the secret move, the band move.
If you really need a boost, break out the Fosters.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
And you do it in the same way that Popeye did.
You just crush the can the Fosters, jumps into the
air and just open.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Your gob and ye all the one handed open, crushed in,
little moved in done Aussie boosts.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Excellent. Yeah quite so, Yes, good result for Sena this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Fourth place then was Diogo Morera. I thought Morea was
going to have more pace than this, but he just
didn't have anything for the top three in the end.
He did have a fantastic scrap with Manuel Gonzale during
the first half of the race that was really enjoying.
Un Still, it was a great battle. It was great
battle because Gonzales was clearly faster and Marera is just

(01:12:30):
such a beast. He just doesn't fucking give us, like
a little Jack Russell, Like he's if he's on your ankle,
you ain't getting him off, Like he's just unrelenting. If
you pass him, he's passing you straight back. It's so
fun to watch. But Manuel did get past pull a gap,
but then eventually his pace dropped off towards the end,
allowing Morera as well as a couple of others to

(01:12:52):
get past. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Yeah, that scrap was so good to watch because, like
you say, Marera wasn't gonna get it up. Manuel obviously
was faster at that point, which was great. It was
a proper tussle, proper races tussle. But eventually, you know,
man will cook his tires, so it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Yeah, exactly, And with this result, Marrera managed to claw
back a couple of extra points on Gonzales in the championship,
who did finish down in sixth in this race, but
it's still a thirty nine point gap. Marrera has now
leveled can It one hundred and eighty eight points and
sits in second officially courtesy of his two wins versus
Cane's one. Yep, but thirty nine points to Gonzales there

(01:13:39):
is looking like it's going to be hard work. I
think over the next few rounds to try and overhaul that.
And do you know what, when you look at their
seasons in general, like I said, Marrera is just one
of those two races. Gonzales is on four race wins
and a further two, three, four five podiums. He's clearly

(01:13:59):
been the best ride of this year, so it's gonna
be hard to begrudge him a title, even if I
am still rooting for Marera to pull something out of
the bag at the end here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
It's the underdog story, isn't it. It's so close. Yeah,
it's almost the perfect points gap. Thirty nine points for
six rounds to go. It's completely doable to overturn that,
and we're all aware of that. He's aware of that,
so he's going to push hard. Gonzalez is going to
do all he can to finish high or close to him.

(01:14:28):
So he's got to do is finish like right next
to him, and he's got secured.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
And that's the thing now because actually, even if Marrera
went and won everything, Gonzalez just has to finished second,
and he still wins this title with these.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Yeah, exactly, there's a mind games to play. But Gonzalez,
he is he has a crash in his pocket. Every
now and again, he has a breakdown.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
It's and that's a sad thing as well though, because
he's given up points to breakdowns this year. He should
be further ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Yeah, he should be a lot further ahead. But it
still do And these are the kind of storylines we
love because it keeps us on the edge of us seats.
We can watch this Christ's given the weekend. You know,
Marrera wins and Manuel crashes out and then all of
a sudden twenty five points gap. Twenty five points really
changed that in and that's a big game changer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Yeah, yes, quite so. It is all still to play for.
Gonzales is becoming more and more of the He's always
been the favorite, but really clear favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Yes, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Third place in this one, then steve A future favorite,
if you will, was one Danny Olgardo, backing up his
win last time out. Olgado was amazing once again, and
he looked for much of the race that second place
was his, But in those closing laps he dropped off
a bit, just as Barry balt Us really picked up

(01:15:55):
the pace. So Orgado had nothing for Barry as he
came past him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
No, no, he'd's hardest. Second place looked like it should
have been his, But this is racing. There's always somebody
out there who has tires when you don't. So third
place is still good enough?

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Absolutely good enough? Yeah, absolutely, second place then was Barry Baltus.
In the closing lapse, Barry was by five. Still can't
get over his name is fucking Barry was My problem
with Barry here is that I just think Barry from EastEnders,

(01:16:33):
That's that's the only Barrier I ever think of. I
don't know who that is. You don't know who Barry
from Easter Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
No, I don't watch that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Well neither do I, man, But like it's Barry's almost
as iconic as well. He's not as iconic as film
Mitchell obviously, but he's pretty iconic. In the lexicon of
of EastEnders characters, Barry is pretty high up there. I
only know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
The only one that ever springs to mind is the
woman who used to scream Ricky. That's the only one
I got that. That's the anchor, I mate, that's it,
my that's my knowledge of British soap opera drama.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Wow, fair enough, that is weird. You're ten years older
than me. Man, you have about three TV channels when
you were growing up. How did you ever avoid all
the time? I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I just don't remember it. My family loved that. I
was just walked in the room, went fuck this and
walked down.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
I couldn't stand it. Never been out stick. I would
literally enough disappear upstairs and play Lego, do something else.
I couldn't stand it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Play Lego as a child, do something else as a
teenager who won't talk about that. Yeah, yeah, drink beer. Yeah,
so yes. Anyway, barrying this one, he was so fast
at the end of the race. Man, he was the
fastest rider on track by far and away, carving past

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everyone that got in his way. Another lap and he'd
have won this race. And he's hamstrung by a poor start,
which I'm sure must be very frustrating now looking back,
because yeah, he was a second lap faster than everyone
else at the end there, Like it was one of
those margins that you're like, how how is he doing this? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Just good racecraft, just tell us. Incredible to watch. I
love it when you see someone like that such a
pace at the end because you're willing them on. I
was on the edge of my seat, like Colon Berry,
take that mullet to the wind.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Yeah, because what was he was less than a second
away by the end, and like three laps to go,
he was like four seconds off or something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
It was something like three tenths, four tenths in the end.
It was so close.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
Was it that close? I think it was that closely,
I want.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
To say it was that close.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Remember the look it was seven tenths too far away,
But that's so close considering the gap that he closed down.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yeah, right, Like there's really do showcase riders talents. So
a fantastic weekend for Burry in the bullet.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Absolutely well played, Barry. Let's hope you don't get pushed
down a cliff and murdered by Eric's wife. Eh, that's
sparrow for me. Standers somewhere about it. Oh, I'll see
these things, these kind of things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
These no, no, no, no, I know the storyline because
obviously people talk about it. I'm like, fucking, move, there's
fourteen murders, twenty three rapes, one hundred and fifty break is,
the house has blown up, A fucking airline has dropped
into the park.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Move, you're actually mixing your British soaps up now, Steve.
An airline I don't think has ever forward fallen on
Albert Square. I think, Oh, was that Mideale or Cory Fuck?
I don't know it was one of the others.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Either way, fucking I'd be out of there, mate, I
wouldn't be living anywhere near it. I'd be gone. But
these people anger because you know, they talk like this,
and it's like, mate, something.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Might stay swearing on them. Man, it's pre watershed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Oh it's pre watershed.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yes, obviously at ten pm EastEnders after Dark, saucy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Yeah, I still wouldn't watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
What would you call it. I'm not going to try
and come up with a pawn title for EastEnders. I'm
just gonna move on and we're just not going to
worry about it. So Moto Chip and Steve has a
lot of engines in this show. Yeah, I'm gonna blame
your coffee, Mike cold, and that's that's all I've got.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Really, Yeah, there's no excuse, it's just us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
We chat it exactly, exactly. This is the promise. We've
not actually been together for like six months now, so
it's getting The shows are getting more and more all
over the place because we're just having weekly catch ups
and we obviously don't communicate enough during the week because
it is to cover all of these ridiculous topics. We
take it out of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
If you listen, if you like, scroll back and listen
to the old shows and like Tim has been away
from week, it's probably like half the length of these
shows because you know, we will fill the times. How
are you doing in Scotland? Yea traveled up this week just
got its great. That's it. Now, it's like we've got
much talk about We've got to fill it in on here.
We'll have to quite better during the week two.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I think that's maybe the moral of this story, Steve.
But it's maybe it's more fun this way, man. Like
you know, it's like those TV shows anything with Clarks
and Hammond and May let's face it, all pricks, however,
very good chemistry. They make great TV. It's like watching
what was that other one, Gino, Gordon and Fred to

(01:21:48):
like that one anymore because of Geno being a bit
of a bad man, but that was a great show,
great chemistry. It's fun just watching people that are clearly
friends just do things. So maybe a lot of the
drawers of this podcast, Steve, isn't even the fact that
we like mo GP. It's just the great pals. Maybe
that's a nice thing here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah, I'm still not bringing in the trio though.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
It just us So then, Steve, the Moto GP races, yes, okay,
the sprint had one moment of pure whoa, and then
after that it was not great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
I'm going to mentioned mister first place Vietti in the
Moto two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Did I skip him entirely. Wow, look at me, this
is the problem, Steve. Yes, ignore everything I said, because
we'll just consider that it was a dream. Put the
dream noise in and winning the Moto to race. Steve
was Cellestino viety. Let's face it, all of the VR

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forty six riders were amazing in Mazzano. They have run
so many laps around this circuit, and Vietti looked imperious
all weekend. As we said with bout Us, it was
just the closing laps of the race that Vietti didn't
look like the strongest rider. But by then it was
too late. He had enough of a gap to deal
with the threat coming from behind.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Yeah, this race was his from the start. It's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Took off the position as well, didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
He, Yeah, yes it did. So let's say, run so
many laps around here, home advantage, home advantage. Put it
down to that know in this tract, perfect knowledge, and
just ran a sublind race. It was really nice to watch.
We didn't get to see that much of him in
the latter stages because we were concentrated on everyone else.
But you know, you get that little boy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Yeah, I didn't see that much of him full stop,
but that's because he was just so far ahead of
everyone else that there was just showing him a lot
of the time he's on the straight, and then as
he's leaving the straight. For much of the race, Orgado
is just coming on to it like he had a gap.
And it was only when Balter started closing him down
that it got interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, fantastic weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Yeah exactly right, Steve, right on that note. Yes, let's
take a quick break, Let's have a reset, and then
we'll come back and talk about mo GP.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Let's do it, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Excellent. So guys, been with us for just one moment
and we will be right back with you. Thank you

(01:24:43):
for bearing with us. We are back, bladders are empt
beer is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
There's a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Less half a can there. I'm not going to crack
open another one, Steve. We've already gone off pieced enough today,
so we let's take it for attempt to at hitting
the Moto GP top fives.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Let's give it a whirl.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Excellent. So, as we were saying, not the most exciting sprint, no,
but stuff happened, there was some talking points. So let's
hit the top five. Ah, yes, let's go for it, buddy. Excellent.
So fifth place in this one was Pedro Acosta top
KTM as per usual and just squeaking into the top

(01:25:32):
five there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Yeah, he had a good race, good weekend all round
again top KTM like you say so the guys holding
it firm over there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Yeah. Fourth place then was mister bad boy, mister morbid Deli.
As with Vietti and Moto two, Frankie was able to
use his superior track knowledge to perform well in this one,
which is good considering the warning from the start of
the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Yeah, yes, he had a good race, so this he
raced could be wrong, but this felt like he had
a point to prove, a good point, but a solid
fourth place, so nothing gonna be groped out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Though, no exactly. And actually something I forgot to mention
earlier apparently Dan David. This is hard work with the
Danny's and the David's. David Munnof from Moto III was
taken to the stewards and given a very similar telling
off as Frankie got earlier in the year, which would

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explain why he has kind.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Of down Mignoi. Yeah, well it was needed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Yes, quite Third place in this one. Back to Moto GP,
then Steve was Fabio digian Antonio, now Fabio, not of
the R forty six Academy rider. But I'm still I'm
still sure he benefits from being in the VR forty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Oh there'll be knowledge, Jared.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yeah, there's a lot of data available from his fellow
Italians around this circuit. And he looked really solid throughout
the sprint, beating his teammate by a second and just
looked comfortably the third fastest guy, arguably the fourth fastest,
but the third fastest to finish.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Yes, exactly, So no good weekend for the VR forty
six boys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Solid points. Yeah, quite second place then Steve obviously of
with Alex Marquez.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Yeah, where else would he finish?

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
It doesn't fucking matter what else happens. Alex Marquez has
just like got his name glued to that second. How
many fucking second places has he had this year?

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
But two isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
No? Three? So I'm going to count second places in
sprints and Grand Prix here, which means he's on two
four to six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

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sixteen second place finishes across Sprince and Grand Prix this year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
That's a tally, isn't it. Just and the boy has
some silverware, but yeah, what a consistent run that is
the most important thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Insane, What a fussing season for him, man, I know, the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Guy is just incredible this year. The term not even
to rab but just how he's turned it on this
year is incredible, as.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Much of a.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Inform story as his brother in its own rights.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
It's amazing, isn't it what happens. We've said this, like
with Barrybalts in Moto two before, It's just amazing what
happens with any of these riders when they get on
a really good machine and really click with that machine.
Like is that they just can do things that you
just didn't think they were capable of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
No. No, Alex Marquez and that Chicati have just gelled
perfectly this year, arguably the most well. He is, I
think the possibly the most consistent rider this year, alongside
his brother.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
I think arguably he might be the most impressive rider
or having the most impressive performance this year compared to
what we expected. Like definitely, I kind of think we
expected Mark Marquez to be winning this title. And I
think we at the start of the season put it
at like a fifty percent chance that he was just
going to absolutely dominate everyone. Yeah, no one had Alex

(01:29:34):
Marquez done this this year, Like this is the most
impressive performance of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Yeah yeah, They both in their own rights, can walk
away from this season with their headteld high.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Absolutely, absolutely, although maybe not in this race for Mark
Marquez because the winner in this one was Mark k Bazeki.
That's right, Marco Berzeki pole position lead the early lapse
of the sprint, have a short battle with Mark Marquez,

(01:30:08):
wait for him to crash out a few corners after betaking,
and after that, don't look back. Marco Berzeki just kept
plugging away and took an excellent sprint win, much to
the joy of the home fans, while Mark Marquez sat
in his garage forlornly. I don't know if it was forlornly,
but I am imagining forlornly looking at the screens as

(01:30:30):
he watched everyone else finish a race. And for the
first time, Mark Marquez not only doesn't finish a sprint
in twenty twenty five, but doesn't finish first or second
in a sprint in twenty twenty five. I it's one
or the other, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Win it or bin it? And he been it and
opened the door for mister Bozeki, the guy in this
race qualifying.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Just look fantastic. Yeah, Marco looked great again the R
forty six mate, Yeah, all of that track knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Yes, absolutely, z a great, great sprint race for.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Marco, Yeah, quite great. It was fantastic. It was a
really really good result from him. Yes, do you have
any strong thoughts or feelings about the Marquez crash and
the moment he's headfirst into the barrier dawner cutting to
a bunch of clearly Italian Valentino Rossi fans, all cheering
and gesticulating towards him.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Clearly scripted.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
That felt like, oh, what's the best way to put it?
The perfect way to show the feelings of some of
the fans, but probably the minority of the fans, because
the world is opening up to Marquez in ways that
many years ago we didn't think was possible. And yeah,

(01:31:51):
that is director's commentary, if you will, shown in the
perfect way that we knew what was going to happen.
We knew there'd be people out there quite openly showing
their feelings. It didn't need to be shown, but they did.
And it's just someone behind the scenes, those fans.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
It's just a.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Choice made by someone in race direction. It didn't need
to be shown, It really didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Yes, I'm with you. I think a lot has been
made of this among different media outlets about this kind
of quote unquote shameful behavior of these fans cheering that
mar Marquez had just crashed out. But I'm with you.
I think it's probably the minority. We're in Mizano. Like,
if it's gonna be anywhere, this is where it's going

(01:32:40):
to happen. There's going to be more Marquees haters here
than anywhere else. Now, maybe here and Migello after that. Like,
I think Marquees haters are certainly in the huge minority,
But I think the minority of even big vaniteer Rossie
fans aren't there cheering Marquees crashing, Like, I don't think.

(01:33:00):
I think that's just a few fucking idiots. Ye are
just getting overly excited. They're probably a bit pissed already.
They're probably just having a great time. Just leave them
to it. You're right, they don't need to show them
on TV. That seemed like an unnecessary thing to have done.
I don't know why they bothered to do that, but
they did. It's done. Decision made I kind of think,

(01:33:21):
find whatever, if that's the storyline we want to go with.
I just think it's a bit pathetic at this point, like,
let's all just move on and go over it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
The passionate people Italian to Spanish, and when they love something,
they wear the heart on the sleeve and you can't
blame them for that. And we all have things in
life we feel passionately about. I don't know, let them
feel and think what they want. We don't need to
see it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Yeah, we don't need to give them the TV time.
It's kind of how I feel about it. But otherwise,
you know, I'm not I'm not that fussed about it.
And the end of the day, I know him a
bit of a Mark Marquez fan boy. These days. If
anything fuels Mark Marquez, it's not love and adoration, it's hate.
Like Vantine Rossi was fueled by love and adoration, Mark

(01:34:13):
Marquez is fueled by the haters like you boo and
jeer Mark Marquez and he'll he'll just keep his helmet on,
He'll keep chill that he's not going to stress about it.
Inside he's fuming, and he will just go and be
better than ever. If you you are encouraging him to
be better than ever every time you booh yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Then if he'd have won the title this weekend, oh mate.

Speaker 1 (01:34:41):
For that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
As much as we say we don't want to see it,
these are passionate people. You can't blame them for being
a passion passionate about something that they feel so strongly about.
But my god, the eruptions that would have happened if
he'd have won the title. And equally, in many ways,
I'd love to see Mark win this title at Valencia.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Yeah, I kind of feel like that would be nice.
I think at Japan though, if he wins in Japan,
he's going to get a really really good reception there anyway,
Like Japan is going to be the second best place
that he could win this title outside of Spain.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that one. But there
would be something very romantic and harmonious about him winning
his first title after all this torrid time that he's
had over the last few years at home on home
soil and the fans would go crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Yeah, except you know, if that does happen this year,
then something's gone really fuck absolutely mad.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
He's like, how can we make this really dramatic, it's
just been it a couple of times and take the
action down to Valencia.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
But He'll be like, ideally I'd like to come into
valencia'll with a thirty six point gap O my brother. Yeah,
and then they'll just go nuts and I'll let him
win the spring.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Yeah, I'll let him win this sor in and then
I'll just run away. We'll give give the fans a
hell of a race, but I'll still win it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
Script the hell out of this quite let's move it
on to the Grand Prix, then, Steve Yes, So the
top five in the Grand.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
Prix looked like this. Fifth place was Fabio digian Antonio,
another solid result to round off his weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Yeah, a really really good race again from Fabio. I'd
like you say, just rounds off a perfect weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Fourth place then was Frankie Morbidelli, getting one over his teammate,
this time completing once again a really good weekend for
the VR forty six riders. And these were the kind
of performances I expected from this team week in week
out this year, but they have not been as common
as I think many of us thought they were going
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
No, no, when you look at the machinery they're on. Realistically,
these are the positions that these guys should occupy more often.
It hasn't happened much this year. But if this is
a step in the right direction for these guys, hopefully
this is more of what we're going to see. But

(01:37:20):
you know, we always say we want to see the
Yamaha competitive, the Honder competitive, the a Prellier competitive, the
KTM competitive. So they can't all be in the top five.
So this is just a very good weekend for VR
forty six.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Yeah exactly. And you all said there are enough manufacturers
that they could all have one bike in the top five.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Exactly. They can share the love and just swap it
round every weekend. All right, this is your turn, This
is your turn. Go take that fifth place. Okay, thank
you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Yeah quite imagine imagine trying to script that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Yeah, yeah, right, you come over here, You're going to
have fourth Okay, you're going.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
To win you Yeah, exact kind of is my weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Yes, it's your weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
This would be like boxing in the really rough more
Boss days.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
Yeah, yeah, you're gonna go down in the fifth mate,
Yeah exactly you will.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Third place in this one, then, Steve Alex Marquez again
a really good result and considering how fast the two
guys ahead of him were all weekend, third place feels
like exactly the position Alex Marquez deserved. He got the
absolute maximum he could out of his package this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Yes, yeah, exactly that worded it any better? Third place,
like say, considering the place of the two guys in
front of him, best next best result for Alex. Yeah,
and a different colored trophy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Different color trophy while he's on a different colored bike.
So it adds up, Yes, exactly that. And it was
a beautiful live very man. I love the white Fasto
Grassini livery that appears frequently as a special livery for
the Grassini team, you know, two or three times a year.
We're going to see that, and I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Yeah, it is a very very nice livery and I'm
glad they keep breaking it out. It's a nice touch,
this one that I hope they never.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Get rid of. Wherever Rossini go, If they're ever.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
To move manufacturers, they've got to take that white livery
with them.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
They have to. Oh they will do. Man, it's a
Fasco Grissini livery.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Who did Fasto Rice for Oh, now you're asking, I
will have absolutely no idea before my time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Yeah, faster Grassini team. That's it's going to bring me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
I want to say m V, but I don't think
that's right at all. I'm trying to think back to
interviews that have heard and like the what we've seen
of him on TV.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Yeah, let's find out. So all one, two fives, he
raced for NBA. That's rolling back in the eighties. NBA.
Who are Juan Carlo morbid Deli racing? Essentially? He then

(01:40:29):
raced for Grelly, which is another Italian moped and motorcycle manufacturer,
and then a Prillia. So he really kept it with
the Italians for a while. He true to be heritage
quite and then he finished his career with Honda. He
did five seasons with So he did two seasons with NBA,

(01:40:54):
although one of those only half the season was NBA,
the other half was on a Garelli and he finished
third year. He then won two titles for Gerrelli in
the last three years, then had a few bad years,
got a couple of second places in a championship with Honda,
and then ended his racing career in nineteen ninety four

(01:41:14):
after finishing sixteenth hander.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Okay, enough.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
A little bit of history and I think that was it, Yeah,
exactly so that Yeah, who knows when that white Livery
was big and famous because the picture from the nineteen
ninety two Japanese Grand Prix, he'd have been on a Honda.
He's on a bright red machine.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Fair enough. Well, whenever it came out, it's definitely one
that they felt strongly enough to keep it as a
tribute Livery. Maybe it was one maybe the color of
its first title winning year.

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Who knows, Yeah, who knows indeed, And I didn't actually
realized how many different teams he'd run. There's quite arong
classes in GP, Motor two, Moti three, and Motor E.
He's run teams in every series. Yeah, yeah, there's quite
a few to his name.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Bless him, the great thing for the.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Sport and his legacy continues. So yeah, second place in
this one, then Steve was Marco Berzeki. Another amazing result
for bez He was super fast leading the opening stage

(01:42:28):
of the race and pressuring Mark Marquez throughout the rest
of the race. Honestly, if Bzeki hadn't made that mistake
that let Mark Marquez get passed, I'm not convinced Mark
would have got passed. I think this, like Mark clearly
wasn't that much faster. Well, wasn't really any faster.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
They so close, ye, I think honestly, I'm with you
on that one. I think it was just the mistake
that handed Mark this win. You know, ran wide and
that was it. Up until those stages there was they
were so close. It was hard to between them.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
It was they were trading lap times, but like it
was a tenth lap in either direction, Like there wasn't
a huge amount of difference between them.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
No, and is hard to get past it. So it
was tough for Mark and you know, but this is racing.
One little mistake and aware you go that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Yeah, And that's a strategy to be fair. If you
think the guy in front of you is too fast
to get past, then you just stay as close as
you can and you pile the pressure on. And you
know full well if you are anyone in GP. Right now,
you look at your pit board and you see every
lap point two ninety three point two, ninety three point
two ninety three, You're.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Like, well, fuck, I just can't shake the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
He's gonna make a move at some point, and that
pressure gets to you. And that pressure got to Bozeki
just once. He only had to get it wrong once.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Yeah, and Marcus pounced. Yeah. But all in all, Marco
Berzeki this weekend absolutely fantastic. Couldn't follow.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
He was just an incredible race weekend from him. I'm
winning this one then, was obviously Mark Marqueze. He didn't
think he was going to crash out both the sprint
and the Grand Prix, did you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Well, I did cross my mind, but evidently no.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
To be honest though, like the pace that both Mark
and Marco were running here, I was actually surprised both
of them finished the race. Half the lapse that just
those two did were faster than everyone else's fastest laps
in the race. Yeah, so they pretty much did. Like
between them, well, each they kind of did ten eleven

(01:44:34):
laps that were faster than everyone else's fastest laps. Like
the real the level that these two guys were over
the rest of the field was just incredible, and they
were so so close. It wasn't really any battling, but
it was so intense to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Yeah, that's the kind of thing, right, if there's not
a lot of battling, you want that closeness, the pressure
that keeps you in thrall because you don't know what's
going to happen in the next corner. And that's perfect.
There can't be a lot of overtaking elbows.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
You want the drama exactly. And when either one of
them was behind or leading like the other one would
close in two or three tenths, they'd be right on
the back wheel, and then they dropped back two or
three tenths, then they'd close in again, and it didn't
matter who was leading. That was just the pattern of
the race. It was just amazing, it really was. Yeah,
just a fantastic like, the performance from these two guys

(01:45:26):
was incredible this weekend. Just over the rest of the field,
it's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Yeah, Yeah, it was just pleasure to watch this.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
I right, So I understand Marco Berzeki's celebration was for
holding that wooden leg around with him for his post
race celebrations was some nod to some weird Italian film. Yeah,
that was fine. Wherever It's not a celebration that was
aimed at your average fan. It was aimed Italian fans.

(01:45:57):
That's fine. I hope it went down well in Italy. Yeah.
Mark Marques's podium celebration was maybe one of my favorite
of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
Yes, yeah, coming out hold it stripped, holding up his leathers.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
I was like, what, turning his Ducati leathers round so
everyone could just read Mark Marquez as he's wandering towards
the top of the podium. There was just fantastic. And
I know this again was in homage to Lionel Messi. Yeah,
he did this when he was playing for Barcelona.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Yeah, held up his shirt or something, you know, sort.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
Of symbolic after scoring the winning goal. And I think
he held his shirt up towards the opposing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:44):
Side, was it, Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
So Mark marquees with this was a very similar but
this was quite a nice thing to do in Italy.
For Mark there is enemy territory, but he's on a
Ducati right now and he's taking Ducati to the top
and it's just this really nice look. It's me that's
fucking doing this. Let's enjoy it, yeah, which I was
quite a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
Yes, yeah, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
To start with.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
There was a little bit confused. I was like, what
the fuck's you doing? Is he script?

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Is he that war? And then all I could focus
on Steve was his tight, tight leggings, and I was like, wow, man,
is packing?

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
I was gonna skip over that. I was more like,
I know, it's under leathers. Yeah, I didn't realize they
wore a full suit, but yes, there was something that
was definitely defined.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
Yeah, he yes, defined is a word for it. And
I bet they don't all wear a full suit. There
is no way Habit Cooso is wearing anything except why
fronts under that bad boy?

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
Oh absolutely not that we've seen it. You know that
those leathers have been open. We've fully seen what's under there.
They don't all wear full suit.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
No quite. I didn't realize though, that any of them
wore kind of leggings under there, like Mark was wearing.
Like I kind of assumed that, you know this, riders
like Mark always wear T shirts. You would see like
the Alpine Stars for me coming out. But yeah, I
didn't realize they wore leggings as well, but I mean
it makes sense, like leathers aren't comfortable, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
And the leathers are tight, we're sitting the truck to
get on and sort of squirm in. That's going to
check after a while, so it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Quite but yeah, just considering that there wasn't really any
overtakes at the front, like, this was a really good race.
It was fun, it was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
To watch, Yes, it was, Yeah, it really was.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
So Steve, I just got a couple more points I
want to touch on before we recap our predictions and
round this show out because this is running long once
again mainly thanks to my inability to understand gear ratios.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Well, that doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
So let's quite quickly touch on the title here. Essentially, Mattegie,
it comes down to this. If Mark can outscore Alex
by three points over the weekend, he wins the title
with five rounds to spare Alex by three points, isn't
he Yeah, yeah, exactly. Fascinatingly, Mark already has the most

(01:49:18):
points scored ever in a Motor Tip season. And we
did say this at the start of the year, like
we felt like this was going to happen this year.
Mark has already scored five hundred and twelve points. I
think last year Martin won the title on five oh nine.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Or something like that was close to this year.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Marks still got fucking six rounds to go. I know, well,
six times thirty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Absolutely, I have no idea. There's one hundred and fifty
points even if you just go for GP wins.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
Yeah, quite, there's two hundred and twenty two points for grabs.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Right the bar very very high mate.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
You could see Mark Mark might not score one hundred
percent of those points. If Mark scores less than one
hundred and fifty of those points, I will be very
very surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. This boy is about to raise the level.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Big time as he did to be Fair in twenty
nineteen before sprint races were involved, and he got that
four hundred and something point season which was easily the
highest scoring season of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Exactly exactly. This one's going to be very very hard
to be Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
Quite Next up here then, Steve Ktms and their chains.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Oh dear, yeah, somebody needs to get a supplier.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
So interesting. It appears this is not the fault of
the chains, but we saw this Across the weekend, the
ktms were in this weird habit of spitting off not
only their riders because that happened quite a lot as well,
but also their chains around Mazzano. Now, my instant thought
was the same as yours their Steve. I went, well, fuck,
they've got a dodgy bactually chained here, as if this

(01:50:55):
keeps happening, But reportedly that was not the case. And
this is actually due to the way the rear ride
height device is used around this circuit, and it puts
more strain on the chain than usual. There's more movement
between the chain it's most tense point, the point with
the most tension, and the point with the least tension.

(01:51:18):
There is a wider variety here because they're flying around
some of those corners actually with the ride height devices down,
so they're putting like a weird amount of pressure through
the chains. So what's happening is the chain is just
stretching a little bit more than usual, yes, and it
means it's able to bounce off. So on a couple
of occasions the chain didn't snap, It just came off.

(01:51:39):
On other occasions it did snap. Pedrocossa snapped his chain,
but one of brad binders was the change just popping off.
So it's just the way this circuit works with the
ride height devices putting extra strain on the chains, and
that was causing more damage. Now, there were manufacturers this
weekend that had chain guards in place to stop the
chains slipping off. KATM did not have one of those,

(01:52:01):
and they lost three of them over the weekend as
a result, much to the chagrin of pederro a Costa,
who was caught giving his bike the bird after he
had gone down. It's gone down very badly, it has.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's been not well received, shall we.

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Say, which amazes me because we saw Mark Marquees give
his Honda the bird at Saxon Ring and everyone, all
the media are like, yeah, go Mark, well that's great,
and everyone was quite amused by it. Pedro Acosta does
it to his KTM and everyone's lost their minds. Everyone
is very upset with Pedro a Costa about this, And

(01:52:41):
now I'm a bit confused as to why. Yeah, I
kind of understand. It's it's a bit of a different
situation here, but Pedro Costa is a fucking kid man.
Like at the end of the day, Like Pedro Costa
is a kid, and he two years ago watched the
world congratulate Mark Marquees for swearing at his bike. Pedro

(01:53:02):
has just done a similar thing to that. The media
and all of us as fans are kind of to
blame for his behavior. If we've got a problem with that,
we need to stop celebrating other people doing what we've
got a problem with Pedro doing, because this is what's happened.
Everyone celebrated mar Marquez for what he did. Pedro Costa
looked at that and went, well, I can go over that.
That's fine. People like me exactly, and it's just completely backfired.

(01:53:23):
But that's not the fight of Pedro. Like I said,
Pedro is a fucking kid man like he's he might
be one of the most accomlished kids in the world,
but he's still a fucking kid.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Yeah, exactly. And there's a lot of passion flowing through
mid race. You know, the guys had a cracking sprint
Rose and suddenly you know he was.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Fucking on it. In the Grand Prix, he was in
fourth at the time, he was probably closing down third.
I imagine he would have been challenging Alex Marquez yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Yeah, these guys wear their heart on the sleeve. There's
a lot of passion involved, there's a lot of adrenaline involved.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
So to have such a good sprint and then this happened,
I'm not surprised. I'm really not surprised, but the way
it has been received has really surprised me. You know,
a bit of all right, you could have got back
to the pits, Katim. You know, maybe maybe not the
best thing to do in the world. Let's tone it
down a little bit, Pedro, that's you know, just get

(01:54:16):
the emotions out now and we won't say anymore. But
just the coverage of it has been I don't know,
just absolutely incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
You baffled me, it really has. But there we are.
This is the world we live in. Sometimes things aren't
received as well as what we think. So no quite, Yeah,
I don't know, Yeah is what it is. I hope
that I don't know. I don't know what they'll do.
Hopefully they won't come down on me too hard.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
I know I'll do anything. They'll just move on and
it will just be a bit of a storm a teacup, Yeah, exactly.
The only other thing I want to touch on here, Steve,
is this really what was quite the race of attrition?
Bunny was this weekend? How many riders actually finished? Sixteen
riders finished, which does mean that Augusto Fernandez, it's on

(01:55:11):
the V four, scored two points.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
You did not bad showing for your first time out
on a well, essentially it's an experimental bike.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
They all experimental bikes to be fair.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Well they are, but then this one's a little bit
extra spcion because it's preparing spanking new.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Yeah that's fair. Yeah, So twenty five percent of Augusto
Fernandez's points this year have come from the VFUR No. Interesting,
that means he's the only rider this year to have
scored points on both in nine four and a vifor.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Wow, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
Yeah, that's fun, isn't it? But yeah, it was a
big race of attrition. Mira and Zarko crashed out together
on lap one, although we don't really know what happened
because that's never been broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
No, that's been kept very hush hush. I just assume
it was just coming together in a racing incident.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
So otherwise, apparently Dawner were having a few issues with
replays and different cameras and couldn't actually find the replay,
so he couldn't be played live, which is why we
haven't seen it. Okay, fair enough, Pedro Acossa's chained snaps
when he was running forth and looking really fast, packerbag
Nya crashed out by himself while running near the bottom

(01:56:24):
of the points spattally neatly crashed out from the bottom
of the top ten Aga went down, hurt his wrist
and missed the test due to it. Mir also missed
the test actually because he hurt his neck and Vineyards
and Rins also scored DNFs, so a lot of DNFs
flying about. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Yeah, it was a bit of a crashy, weird weekend,
lots of stuff happening. It's a bit of a race
of attrition. But then we get these every now and again.
They threw in the mix where there's mechanical stuff people
slide off that coming togethers and crashes and all sorts
going on. Just drama filled.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Yeah exactly, right, then, Steve, we are running super long,
so let's just very quickly recap our predictions and then
we will wind this one up. Yeah, okay, buddy, So
for anyone listening who's not listened before and has got
this car. Steven. Yeah, welcome. Steve and I make predictions

(01:57:18):
before every race weekend, and then we predict the podiums,
both the sprints and the Grand Prix, and we give
ourselves points. We give ourselves three points for a rider
in the correct position and one point if a rider
is on the podium in the incorrect position. We've a
bit of a championship battle going on between Steve and
I coming into this race weekend. I had one hundred
and fifteen points to Steve's one hundred and twenty. So

(01:57:41):
is this a weekend where I managed to get a
little bit closer or is Steve going to pull a gap?
Let's find out. I already know the answer. So the
sprint race. The actual result in this one was a
Mark Oberzeki win and Alex Marquez second and a Fabio
Digi Antonio third. I predicted Mark Marquez win, Alex Marquez second,

(01:58:06):
and a Pedro Acosta third, giving me three points for
Alex in the correct position. Steve predicted a Mark Marquez
win and Alex Marquez second, and then the Naya Bassienini third,
which is a very good point. Steve actually just to
bring that one back quickly. This is the first time
and a Bascinini has ridden at Mazzano on a motor

(01:58:29):
GP machine and not scored a podium. It is Yeah,
the guy's got a good form around here. Yeah, so
he was a solid but yeah, Unfortunately the bet did
not come off. So Steve also scored just three points
for Alex Marquez in the correct position. There. As for

(01:58:50):
the Grand Prix, it was a Mark Marquez win, a
Marco Bozeki second, and Alex Marquez third. I predicted a
Mark Marquez win and Alex Marquez second and a Fabio
digian Antonio third. I score three points for Mark in
the correct position, one for Alex in the incorrect position.
I scored four points. Steve predicted and Mark Marquez win,

(01:59:16):
Alex Marquez second, and a fucking marcover Zeki third. So
five points there, three points for Mark in the correct
positions and a point for Alex and a point for
Bez because they are in the incorrect position. That puts
me on seven points total, bringing me up from one
hundred and fifteen to one hundred and twenty two. And

(01:59:36):
that gives Steve eight points total, bringing him back from
one twenty to one twenty eight. He's pulling the gap
out on me once again. There's still six rounds to go, Steve.
If I can get back to out scoring you by
a single point around, then we're on a tie break
and I don't know what that is forfeit, we'll left
a drinking competition. Oh god, there's a legit chance, Steve.

(01:59:57):
We could end the season on equal points. There is,
and then we'll have to know. We'll shotgun a can
in the garden and so you can do it first
for the win. I've got a shotgun upstairs.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
We can do that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
Yeah, that's not what shotgun and a can is, but
that's fine. We'll deal with that, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
Different where I grew up on a farm.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
Yes, yes it does. You grew up on a farm.
I grew up at music festival. So that's the difference.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
There.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
Can't take a shotgun there. No, No, they don't really
even like you taking like temp pegs there. You have
to really convince them they're not for shotgunning cans and
they're just for pinning your tent down. Yeah. Anyway, that
does bring us to the end of the show. It's
been another long one. Didn't expect it to be. But
there we are. We've just broken two hours, so let's

(02:00:42):
end it there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
That's yeah, that's cool at a night on that one.

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(02:02:21):
Japanese Grand Prix. We've got a weekend off now, so
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Speaker 2 (02:02:43):
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