MotoGP 2025 is Over – But We're Back! - For The Love Of MotoGP

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Steve, my good man, How the devil?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Are you very well? Buddy? How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
I'm very good, my friend. It is a bloody joy
to see your face on my screen once again.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
We're here man. We've been missing in action for some
weeks now.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
We have been We have let the side down somewhat.
We will come on to that, Steve. But how was
your weekend?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
It was good, mate, Yeah, I was a little bit
under the weather, so we had a full weekend of
just motorcycle racing. Fantastic ice.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yep, it was really good in fact, finishing finishing up
for the racing season.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yes, yeah, it's done and dusted, buddy.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Shame, Yeah, it is a shame. It's It's funny, isn't
it that this has been the longest Mejorgip season ever
and I kind of expected it coming in, but now
it's over, it doesn't feel like it's been the longest
mojip season ever.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, No, it's just we crammed so much into essentially
the same kind of time frame. We've had a few
in the middle, so it doesn't it's not to us
any longer or shorter, I'm sure. To the riders and
all the teams involved who have traveled xra amount of
miles around the world. They're absolutely shot to hell and
ready for bed.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
But you know it's finished a week earlier than when
we went out to Valgia two years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, that's true. I think as well. It's because it
kind of feels like it's almost a season of two parts.
It was the Mark Marquez dominance and then the last
you know, five rounds or four rounds without him, where
like other interesting shit has happened.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, it's been a busted up kind of season. It's
been a weird one. It's been very very good. Don't
get me wrong. It's been a really enjoyable season. But
it has felt very segmented. Yes, quite in places, but
it's still been a fantastic season. I'm sad it's over now.
Testing is over as well. We have the big break.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, now it's all over until February, is it all?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Februar or March.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I believe it's February when the next test is sad
sad times.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, exactly, but we'll get through it, Steve. We'll still
be podcast in so we'll still be talking motorcycles. So
it's all good.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yes, we will keep you all entertained. We'll do our best.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, yes, we will do our best. I don't know,
it's understand, we haven't reached Bake about this yet. I
don't know whether we're going to go back to doing
what we did last winter. And we'll just do you
kind of a show every two weeks rather than one
once a week. We'll see what happens and we'll play
it by year a bit.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, we'll see how we go, see what news is
coming out, and we'll find stuff to talk about whever
we decide to decide to play it. Look, we'll be back.
Whatever happens, we will be here.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
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(03:17):
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listening to free podcast Now I'm joking, but you know
you can stick with us. We will be doing regular shows.
We just don't know how regular yet, no, but we
will be here in some phase exactly exactly. So shall

(03:41):
we dive into this one, Steve, let's go for it, buddy,
good stuff. So I'm Tim, He's Steve, and this is
for the love of Moto GP. If you are new

(04:03):
to the show, welcome, and if you are returning, welcome back.
This is for the love of Moto GP, the show
where Steve and I sit down with a couple of
beers and talk about Moto GP like we would in
the pub. Steve is designated driver for this one. He's
on the Orange.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Waves Yes, Orange Squash Dear.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
And I'm on the brow Dog Lost today the planet
first lager. I assume that means they must do something
nice for the planet. So there we go. Ethical beer.
That's what we like in our lives, Steve.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
We do like ethical things.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, exactly. So before we do dive into this one,
apologies for being mia over the last few weeks. It's
been a bit of a roller coaster for the two
of us.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Here.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
First thing, I went away to Wales to go and
look at birds for a week. And as we all know,
Wales is the ar cender nowhere and there's no Internet
in deepest darkest.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Wales, No, no whereabouts. Did you go the Bottle of Wales?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah? Yeah, we were on angle Sea so well, actually
we were on Holy Island, which is an island off
Angle Sea. So we were on an island off an
island off an island.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
So yeah, so we had to cross a lot of
bridges to get there, but yeah, we were just a
nice PB site, so just we're looking at birds, talk
to people about birds, walking around. It was. It was
a pretty nice place to spend a week actually volunteering there.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I enjoyed it nice. Yeah, the pictures looked good, but
they had a good time.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, it was fun. And then after that, Steve, you
were disappearing off to Wales, not Whales. I was in Wales.
You went to France. You went to Disneyland and as
we all know, there's too much fun to be had
in Disneyland to record a podcast there is.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
There was too much fun to be fair. Tuesday I
was in a hotel, but the Tippy Fair. That's the
Internet war ship there as well.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I think you were actually on your way to France
when you were on that Tuesday, So.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
We were traveling down the note before, so we stayed
no hotel Note four and I got the tunnel over
the next morning. But the signal was shocking. We found
the one little patch in Kent which was like devoid
of signal. Really frustrated, but yeah, we did that, and
then yeah, I came back with the French flu.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, quite so. Then the third week that would have
been things just didn't a line. I'm actually working a
normal job for the next few months, which is a
I've just been ranting to Steve about shit. A normal
job is so just but you know, job's job. Steve
pays the bills, and actually it could be a job
where I have to actually use my mind and get
stressed about things and stuff, and is none of that.

(06:43):
So it's easy. It's just a weird time of day
to be working. I'm used to working, you know, seven
o'clock in the morning through till sometimes nine o'clock at night,
but having a lot of time in between to do
my own thing. While I'm at work. But this is
just like a normal job where you have to be
doing stuff all day, so it's kind.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Of on the dully weird.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah yeah, well eight till four so close yet so
mad hours, but is just slightly different. Eightel four doesn't have
the same ring to it though. No, and then you
had the dreaded Disney disease, so you took at least
a week to get over that as well. But yeah,
we've missed some stuff, Steve. We have two race review podcasts,

(07:23):
which was The Pang and Porter Now and this weekend
was Valencia, so we have fallen pretty far behind.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, we are well out of touch, so we do apologize,
but we do have lives.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
As well, so yes, exactly. Sometimes things just happen, don't they.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah. Yeah, we tried a couple of times. We would
have done last weeks, but I was dead. I was
absolutely dying. I did not feel good at all.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
You actually sort of saved me that night, to be fair,
because I was getting back I'd started work at like
five o'clock that morning and I was actually getting back
late that day and I was like, fuck, I've got
the right show notes. Yet I was like, oh, God,
I've just this, I can see it all. It's just
going to be just me. I've been on a page
and then now you were too it anyway, So so
really you saved me a job there, Steed, you're suffering
meant I could have a leisurely early night silver linings.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Funny let us saved you. Yeah, I was in no
fit condition to podcast. That was a mess. There was
tissues and snot rags everywhere. It was not a pleasant sight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I assume the tissues and it's not rags were the
same thing, or you're having some nice alone time there.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh no, they were definitely the same thing.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Else.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I love the energy for that stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
But was it worth it was Disney fun? Did you
enjoy yourself over there in the land of smart dass Thailand?
In the happiness the happiest place on earth? That's what
I was going for.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, we had a fantastic time. We're surprised kids didn't
tell them we're going. And then I basically spent three
days with then Zoe riding roller coasters, nice and that
was about it, eating very nice food and just generally
having a great time. Yeah, have a slightly embarrassing bad
dad moment when Enzo came off one roller coaster in tears,

(09:06):
but you know, shit happens. He did man up and
was back on it within like an hour, so I
was very proud of him for it. But yeah, it
was just good, just basically an enso just riding roller coasters.
Did it take Rody on a little one, but that
was Yeah, he's not going to be a roller coaster boy,
let's put it that way.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
What is you like that young?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, we found out early.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, the traumatic memories won't stick with him. He'll he'll
be bringing him up with this therapist. He'll have these
repressed Disneyland memories he has to deal with when he's
in his early twenties. But until then, you don't worry
about it.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
That's it. Yeah, he's never gonna be able to watch
a movie again, which is flashbacks cross coaster.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah unless no good day. No, it sounds like you
have a last day. So that's that's the important thing.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
We did have a blast, Yeah, blades the trail across France.
You know, I like when I go abroad, I was
building bridges.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh dear, I speak louder and slower and they will understand.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yes, just blast English and then everyone gets it.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, I did try.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I did learn a little bit of French and actually
got somewhere.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
So nice, there's an improvement on the last trip.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Then yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of blank stairs for
a few seconds, try to recall. It's like watching an
old computer try and reboot, coming up across the glasses
every five minutes. What do you say? Slow it down?
I felt like Joey had our friends a lot pen blah.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah. Nice, there's a there's a cutback to it for
any younger listeners. You just need to go check that out.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah yeah, then you'll understand. Then you understand what I'm
like in a foreign country and what Tim had to
put up with.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
It's okay, mate, My friend is limited by limited, I
mean non existent. My Spanish is limited to my French
is non existent.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, I am not first in foreign language.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
So see, we do have some motorcycle racing to talk about.
And I don't know about you, man, but I don't
really fancy digging back into the memory banks to do
full reviews of the last three races, so instead I
thought this week we could just talk about some general
motor gp vibes and some of the biggest talking points
over the last few weeks.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, yeah, that sounds like I'm planning to me, mate,
I don't think anyone wants to sit here and listen
to us do three full race reviews in one session.
I think we bore everyone today. So there's riff on
some bits.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Quite. We've tried in the past, haven't we to do
two full shows in one sitting, and they just come
out as a horrible mess. So I thought it'd be
easier this time to just not do that at all,
and we'll just we'll just chat, we'll flow, We'll see
where the conversation takes us.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, prov.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Improv with us. I have got some talking points here,
but we'll just go where it takes us.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, go with the flow, see where the river takes
us exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
So if you are ready, my friend.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I'm always ready.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's motor bikes, good stuff. So let's start off then
with I'm actually quite glad with this news item that
we haven't spoken about this the last few weeks because
I think this would have been one of the thoset
ones that's a bit horrible to talk about initially, but
as we've seen outcomes and we've seen things go. It's
a bit nicer to talk about now and we don't
have to tread too lightly around it and the trauma

(12:34):
that could have taken place that we got very lucky
to avoid in this one. Yes, yeah, So this is
the Noah Debt Wheeler incident, accident, crash, whatever you want
to call it, but it's this terrible crash that took
place in the warm up lap for the Sapang Moto
three race, which left both debt Weiler and Roida in

(12:57):
a really bad way this world, you know, on that
warm up lap, debt Wader's bike had an issue. He
stuck his hand up. Rueda, who was following pickeras I
think at the time, didn't see Pequerras, managed to dive
out of the way. Rueda did not, and Ruweda just

(13:18):
clattered into the back of the slow Debt wheeler here
and it was a huge crash. Both sent flying, it
was it was pretty terrifying. Reportedly both of them suffered
cardiac arrest from the crash just on the circuit, which
obviously is not a fucking good thing to be happening
to these kids at all.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
No, no, not at all.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Wissome Rueda was quickly stabilized and his longest term injury
is a broken wrist, so he will be We imagine
he will be absolutely fine come the start of the year.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, he was at the race this weekend. Just gone.
Looks to be healthy, Okay, healing up and on the
on the bed nice and quick, which is a really
nice thing to see.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yes quite dett Wheeler, on the other hand, he suffered
multiple cardiac arrests on the side of the track. He
had an open leg break and a shitload of blood loss,
so it was it was really touch and go for
a few days for Noah. He also had his spleen
removed in surgery to try and stop some of the
internal bleeding that was going on that must have ruptured
in the incident, which is unsurprising. And yeah, for almost

(14:28):
a week we really didn't know what the outcome was
going to be. But he is now stable and he
has made the journey back home to Switzerland to continue
his recovery. So that's all good there.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah. I think there was a report put out by
his family. I believe it was this week that he
is doing much much better.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Okay, that's very good news.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, just let me see if I can find it
was a fifth of them. Yeah, trans at Switzerland's. But
there have been pictures of him coming out, like out
of hospital on the fixed legging plaster is Yeah, on
the road to recovery. Thank god.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Okay, that's good news. It's good as well, like from
the kind of where a circuit where this could have happened.
Sepang is so close to Kuala Lumpa, and Kuala Lumpa
has got some of the best hospitals in the world,
so I imagine he was very, very well treated and
very well looked after, which I mean is evident by
the fact he's even alive. So yeah, that was really lucky.

(15:30):
I hope we see him racing again. I wouldn't be
surprised if we don't with such traumatic injuries, but these
guys are bost cycle races make they fucking bounce back.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a terrible thing to happen, but at
this stage they are durable, and like I said, they
had there was such close proximity to Kuala Lumpa that
they do have such great surgeons there. It's world looked
after everything or low. He's just been through a hell
of a traumatic situation, was in a good position to

(16:02):
be looked after, and you know everyone at attracted their
job perfectly. He was transferred to hospital, quickly, stabilized, quickly,
we looked after perfectly. So yeah, lucky, lucky people.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's also being reported Paolo Simonelli, who
the father of Marco Simonelli, who runs the six fifty
eight team that Noah rides for. He has confirmed although
no deal was signed for twenty twenty six, one was
close and that Paolo fully intends to honor that deal.
So if we see det Wheeler coming back, then he

(16:40):
will be riding for their team again.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah. I really really hope we do. After such a
horrific incident at such a young age and doing your
job and a sport that you'd love, it would be
fantastic see him back racing and just doing doing what
he loves. Yeah. Absolutely, I really do hope we see
him back, even if it's at the end of next

(17:04):
year towards the end, I'm sure it won't because he's
a young guy who be well looked after. I hope
he comes back.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Really, yeah, quite coming back? So yes, I mean Ruido
is going to be motor to next year, isn't he?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Is he riding for the Red Bull IO team next year?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yes, I believe there. Yeah, part of me what to
say Snipers to start with, but I don't think that's true.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
No, does Snipers have a Motor two squad?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Don't believe.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
So I'm pretty sure he's riding for the IO team.
I think he's replacing who's the Turkish kid on Dennis one.
I think he's replacing Dennis on Chew in that team
next year.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
So yeah, I think that could be right. But yeah,
either way, I really hope to see them back. And
the most important thing is these young guys recover and
come through this with memories and stories.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yes, yeah, quite quite. Let me just try and find
I'm trying to work out where he is riding next year.
Ruader is riding Red Bull KTM alongside Colin Byer. Yes,
so he is replacing Dennis on Tune next year. Yeah, yes, so, yes,
there's good news on that one. All things considered, Like

(18:23):
you say, young guys, they're gonna bounce back, They're going
to heal, and just thank goodness we can talk about
it like this and not how I thought we were
going to have to talk about this news site.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
That's the main thing that we could just talk about
it on a positive note. Yeah, and not anything that
will otherwise, because yeah, that would not be less than ideal.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Less than ideal sums it up nicely, Steve.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yes, I trying to think of a a nicer way
to put it in the instance that we have.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, exactly exactly. Al right, Well let's move it on then,
Steve to someone that is also having a terrible end
to the season, although not quite this terrible.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
No, no, this chat at the minute is probably drunk somewhere.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
I fucking hope he's drunk on a beach somewhere. Mate.
He needs it. And that is one Peco Bagnaia. After
his dominant win in the well, let's take it back
to Mategi. He crushed the Mategi weekend, pulling off the double,
didn't he? Where is the way down there? Now? He's
all the way down in fifth tragic. He crushed it

(19:34):
in Mategi. He there, did nothing in Indonesia or philip Island,
and then came Malaysia where he managed to win the
sprint in Sapang and won in dominant fashion. It just
just disappeared mate and just looked like the Peco of
old again. And then it looked like he was going
to at least score a podium in the Grand Prix,

(19:55):
and I was starting to get this, Oh my god,
it is Peco back. Is he finally worked out all
it was Mark Marquez to not be there and Pecko
could finally start doing this thing again. And then he
got that puncture which forced him to retire from the
Sapate and Grand Prix, and any momentum he was gaining
seemed to be completely snuffed out at that point.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, this guy's season you just couldn't if ever there
was a horror story for someone's career where you're also
part of your workload is so out of your hands
to control. You know, there's such an element of the
unknown with what these guys do. If you could take

(20:36):
a bag and stuff it full of bad luck, I
just hand it to someone. At the start of the year,
Peco got it.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, Peco definitely got it.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know, this guy gets the wooden spoon this year. Though.
After the race this weekend, there's a really poignant shot
of him walking under a tunnel with exit above it.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Oh that's beautiful. I didn't see that. That's really good.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Even the commentators. I was watching the TNT Sports guys.
It was Gavin and Neil Hodgson just chatting away and
they were saying, like the trudge he had going down
the service road at the back of the you know,
Hudson was saying, Hey, you gotta see him at seven
o'clock at night. It's still in his leathers and helmet,
just walking down the road heading off home. The hell
out of it because that guy just cut a full

(21:22):
lawn figure mate.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
It was asking us obviously he got wiped out in
the Grand Prix, didn't him by Zarko? What the fuck
was Zarko doing? Who knows? Zach has just completely missed
his breaking marker and just used Peco to get around
the corner. And then there was a shot then of
just Peco after he got up, had his little strop
in the gravel trap and just leaning on the tire wall.
He just looked so depressed, even like it just a helmet, leathers, everything,

(21:49):
but you just the body language of it was a
guy that was just like it wasn't even relief to
be going home. It was just it just looked done.
He just looked done.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's just every possible thing that could have gone wrong
or seem to have gone wrong, has happened, and there's
been no rhyme or reason for it. The only positive
seem to be when he tested Morbidelli's bike and then
hopped on it allegedly at the test.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, and then said on the next weekend went and
did a double and mtaggy and won everything.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah. Just I don't know, it's so strange. There's figure
that we see, have seen riding that looks nothing like
the champion that we know, and it's it's scary, it's
really really scary. We know he's going to be at
Jacati next year. I just hope they could find something

(22:46):
whatever is wrong, be a problem with the bike, a
problem with you know, a mental block, if you will anything.
I just quite hope now the test is done, this
guy really takes time with his family, you know, take
the wife and turbo off to a beach holiday somewhere
and just relaxed, to spend some time looking inwardly.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, I think maybe you spend some time not looking
at anything, Just spend some time just fucking go get
on it, get mashed, don't drive, Peko. You know what
happens when you drink and drive, But do just have
some time away from everything. I mean, over the last
five rounds of the year, Peko has scored fourteen points
and the twelve of those came from the Sapang Sprint
that he won, and he got two for his eighth

(23:33):
place finish in the portu Mouth Sprint. He's scored DNFs
or finished outside the point in every other race. It's
been horrendous, horrendous. He's lost not only third in the
championship to Marco Bozeki, he's also fallen behind Pedro Acosta
and has finished fifth overall for his worst Motor GP
finished since twenty twenty. Like, it's just been just a
terrible thing. Like we were talking, you know, halfway through

(23:55):
the year, we're like, oh, Peco's have been such a
bad year. How can this be happening? Now you look
at it, You're like, I cannot believe how much worse
it got.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I didn't think half way through the season, after the
little summer break, it could have gotten any worse. And
if you could have told us then, if you know,
we had a sitting on our shoulders at the time,
it said, just weight, lads, it's going to get you.
Wait till the end of the season. See what's going
to happen. No way would I ever believed it could

(24:25):
have got any worse. You know that you've got so
much faith in JACTI to iron have the problems and individually,
you know, help each rider to find whatever is causing
them issues with the machine and to help them work
around it. It had so much faith that they would
do that, and it's just not happened. You know, we

(24:48):
had no real gauge because Marque has got injured and
was off. We had Alex Marquez though, who's had his
ups and downs as well, but leveled out in the
last few rounds. It just I don't know. I just
didn't believe it could have got this bad.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
No quite, It's all just it's falling off a cliff.
And like we say, he just needs a bloody break man.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, he needs to you know, he needs to go
all Rocky three.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
He needs to get you getta have to film me,
in mate, I'm not a Rocky officionado.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
You know, cold weather. They needs to go back to basic.
He needs to get Rossi out of retirement, train him
up again. Gets the real eye of the time. Just
watch Rocky three, You'll get it.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Do. I need to watch Rocky one and two though,
to understand the storyline. Here you're giving me like a
six hour commitment.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Here, man, I'll give you you more than there.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Oh God, are they long? Are they're that long?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
So I think the first Rocky movie is like two
hours twenty and oh okay, wow, Yeah, they're quite long
movies and they're hard watched. The first two are hard watching.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
They're a real builder, okay, and it all builds to
Rocky three.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah. Basically, Yeah, he just needs to come out reinvent himself,
is what the whole point is. You know, you know
you're good, but then there's room for improvement. Just needs
to find his apollo Creed.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Okay, there we go. Right, let's move it away from
Slice the Loane films that I've not watched, and let's
bring us back.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
You mentioned Alex Marquez, so let's bring on to him.
Because over the final three rounds of the year, Alex
has stepped up in place of his injured brother and
has stood on the podium five times from six times
of asking. He's taken two sprint wins, one Grand Prix
win and a second place in both a sprint and
a Grand Prix, properly signing off his best ever Moto
GP season in style. It's kind of a shame that

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fell apart a bit in the final Grand Prix in Valencia,
where he dropped back to sixth place, and even when
he was in fifth until a final corner when his
teammates Ferminale Degere mugged him and he did finish in sixth,
But even sixth, I don't know this, but I feel
like sick is probably above his pre twenty twenty five
average finishing positions in Motive GP anyway, So like even that,

(27:15):
like he's just capped off an amazing season, and these
final three rounds have really just summed up how good
Alex Marquez has been this year.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, it really has. I think in Valencia, you know,
he's came to the tire issues that many other riders
did have. You know, we saw a couple of guys
tucking the towel, everyone's tired to dropping off. I think
he was just in that mix of those. But all
in all, this guy's season if it wasn't for his
brother doing what he's done, the guy would be Rider

(27:43):
of the year.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Well, I mean, if it wasn't for Mark Marquez, Alex
Markes would be champion as well.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah he would actually, Yeah, very good point. The guy's
turn around this year, what has just happened has been
for normal. It's been a pleasure to watch, Yeah, because
you know, we've had a story along side a story.
You know, what can Mark do? And after the few
round first few rounds, it's like, what can Alex do? Yeah?

(28:10):
So hang on, We've got two storylines intertwined here. We've
got brothers battling for the championship, you know, also running
their own story, Like, wow, can you know, mister second
place carry it on? Can he challenge his brother and
just run away with everything? Oh my gosh. Both of
these guys have been a pleasure to watch. But I
think Alex this year has really shown his pedigree. And

(28:32):
come on, he's you know, stepped out of the live light.
It was just unfortunate that his brother was back and
stolen the limelight again. So here stand in my shadow
once more. Yeah, you think you're gonna have a good season.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
But that's kind of the joy of it, isn't it
is we kind of all thought Mark Marquez was going
to do this and was going to be incredible. None
of us thought Alex Marquez was going to do this,
and that makes it more, arguably more imports So I
think arguably he is Rid of the year because Mark
Marquez always was capable of doing this. We did not
know Alex Marquez was capable of doing this. Like I've
always been quite a big Alex Marque's proponent. I've always

(29:10):
thought he was better than he's given credit for, even
though I didn't think he was this good.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
No, no, what the mixture of Alex and the twenty
twenty four Jakati this.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Year the GP twenty four helps, But then I mean,
look at the other riders in GP twenty four. Where's
Frankie Morberdelli in the standings, Frankie marber Deelish seventh on
two hundred and thirty one points, But that's half the
points that Alex Marquez scored on the same bike exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
The transition between everyone else in him is just phenomenal. Yea,
It's a marriage made in heaven. Next year, you know,
he is already being tipped as alongside Berzeki, the main
contenders for the title. To challenge Mark.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
I'm going to put it out there, mate, Alex beating
Mark to a title. Bazeki might beat Mark to a
title on that prilier. If everything goes to plan, Alex
ain't doing it. Not on the same bike. Alex would
have to have a huge bike advantage over Mark to
beat him. Zeki probably needs a Bazeki also needs a
bike advantage, but it doesn't need to be as big
as the pike advantage Alex needs, I think.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
But with three of them in the mix at the front,
look at some of the early races. If we have
the Zeki from the last two or three rounds kicking
off twenty twenty six straight away in this form alongside
Mark Alex, both on their same form from the start
of the year, we've got a hell of a recipe
and we are going to be treated to some of

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the best racing we've seen for a long time those
three at the front.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's also worth asking the question, are those two going
to be at the front? If Mark is there and
fit and healthy.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
They will be at the front, Because there have been
times when we've seen guys close to Mark to hold him.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Up, and Betz has been one of them to be
fair and actually so is Alex the point this year.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
So we've got the two guys running up alongside him
who have held him up and challenged it suddenly put
three of them in the mix. We've got a recipe
for crashes, slowing down races.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
It's I think that we have going to happen when
you've got more than one rival.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, the third place can suddenly find themselves first place
because the two in front of tripped themselves up in
the last quarter. We've seen it all the time. There's
there's lots of little options that could go on next year,
and it's teasing already. The taste puns are tingling for
a bit of race actions. So we just need to
go for a little kip now and wake up next February.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. We need to get Green Day to
rewrite the wed September ends, and you just wake me
up when February ends.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yes, exactly, Yeah, twenty seventh of fab would be very good.
Is that the race weekends?

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I don't know. I hope you just do that'll top your.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Head nailed it. I'm not going to check.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
You're you're going to check.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Check seventh of February to the first much nice, good job, it's.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Already your memory might be shopped to bits, mate, but
you know where the MOTORB season starts next year. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah. I had a moment the other day with my
memory was truly bad, and I did get in a
little bit of trouble here.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
So did you forget a birthday and anniversary?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I went worse than that.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Oh oh go, do tell mother in law's funeral. Oh shit,
I really wondered that much worse he was going to get.
But that really is bad.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, I'm sorte typing away. I'm doing my work. I'm
like looking at a computer planning trips. So it was like,
if you've got your stuff ready for next Wednesday? I
was like, fuck, are we doing next Wednesday?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Whops?

Speaker 2 (32:49):
And I'm literally saying, now, love, I got nothing. I'm
up a free agent.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Oh no, Steve, Wow, I'm really crying with the cringe.
Oh God.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
And then it all of me. I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Stuff ready, Wow, Wow, Well, good job, that is the
forgiving type.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yes, you understand, I've just got the bruising has subsided.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
That's why you couldn't record last week.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
You still had a black eye. Yeah, I was thankful
for the sunnies you sent me.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, cover them up there, nice.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I felt so bad. There's evidence that stress will cause every.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Loss, and that's what we were just holding that up.
There's that bit of paper with that written and crayon
on it.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, literally everything goes and crayons so I can rewrite its.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, no, that's fair. Right, Well, let's let's try and
make you figure at that horrible moment. Let's talk a
little bit more about Bazeki then, because he has finished
this twenty twenty five season super strong, with wins in
both the portum Out and Valencia Grand PRIs, as well
as a podium in the Portumow Sprint. It's worth noting,

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like we say, the end of the season has been weird,
as it often is when the championship is wrapped up early,
but it's even weirder because of the absence of Mark Marquez.
But this bears a prettier combo man as this year
has gone on, like has just got better and better
and better, and they must be really looking forward to
twenty twenty six with at least some belief that they
can fight for the title hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Watching the commentators speak to people like Massimo over the
weekends and the end of the race for the test,
how confident they are in what they've done and managed
to pull together. Because it's not just Bears. Rao has
had amazing results and really PRIs the whole package at
the minutes is fantastic and it's really encouraging and they

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have to believe now, you know, as the first a
brilliant rider to win three races in the season.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Wow is that true?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Wow, isn't that amazing? You think all those races even
that season of lace was that twenty three when he
was fighting for the title for most of the season.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
No, I think it was Toy three y Toy two
to three. But this combo at the minute is just
getting stronger and stronger. The bike is getting better, their
confidence in the team is getting better. You know, Martine
is back and hopefully uninjured at the start of next
year and he can build as well.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I don't know. I'm not convinced Martin can go without
an injury. You know, I think Martin's had his injury
free season. He managed to win a title on it
in that year, and that's all of his luck used up.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I'm kind of with you on that one. It feels like,
unless he's injured, there's something not right.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
But exactly is the old Danny Petroza thing in it,
Like he'll get close a few more times and then
he'll get hurt.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah. Yeah, he's gonna claw himself back to the second
of the championship next year, just some incredible things and
surprise us all by like surpassing Bez's results. And then
as soon as he gets to the point where it's
like he can he can tell the leading the championship
this weekend, he's just gonna be airlifted out of there
because he's bust his leg. It just feels not meant

(36:28):
to be. But if we'll have to wait to see
on that.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
One, quite, I mean to be fair, we joke about
this man did with a title on a satellite bike,
like he is clearly doing amazing things. Yeah, yeah, exactly
this year and think it's a funny thing, isn't it?
Because I think I've forgot I think a lot of
her have forgotten just how good Martin can be. It's
only taken one year and we've all just been like, ah, nah,
Martin's done, Like Martin ain't done. He could come back.

(36:55):
He is as good, if not better than Bazeki. If
he can wrap his head around the in the same
way but Zeki has managed to, then Martin could do
something super special on that machine.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, if he can even get close to being up
to speed in the first five races, you know, just
pull in some good results and just build like Beds has.
By the end of the season, this guy's going to
be truly phenomenal on this bike, and plus into that,
like everything else, the development that they'll be putting in,

(37:27):
it's dream team really for a brilliant So those guys
over there should be absolutely doing Backflips're so happy that
they've got these guys that they've got, and if realistic terms,
it can only get better for them. So I just yeah,
I keep looking forward to next year and thinking of

(37:47):
all the scenarios that we could have and there's a lot.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeh, yeah, exactly. And I mean Martin was back this weekend.
He made his final appearance of the year. He competed
in the Grand Prix, didn't score points in the sprint,
nor did he finish the Grand Prix, but it was
nice to see the twenty twenty four champion back in action,
and yeah, a Prillier could be on for something really
quite special next year if both their riders come in

(38:14):
fit and healthy. And the thing is for Martine, isn't it.
How many fucking race Weekend did even complete this year?
I've got the list here? Is that many? Oh so,
he missed the first three, got injured in the fourth round,
missed the next lot. He's finished four Grand Prix this year. Damn,

(38:36):
that's all he's finished. And I mean he retired from
this one. I quite liked his retirement from the Valencia
race though, to be fair, on that lap that he
kind of pulled in, He's just wave into the crowd
and like he knew he weren't going to finish that race.
He knew it wasn't into it. He bought thirteen or fourteen.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Laps or something and then he was just a handful labs.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, kind of called it quit. So I think it
was kind of a surmise at the time, and I
haven't seen anything to the contrary, but it was just
like he just wasn't up to it, Like he's just
not in a place of fitness at the moment to
do it, and it was just saving himself for the
testimon than anything.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, yeah, I think that is right. There was a
really I don't know how, just a really nice it
was nice, a nice shot of him in the garage,
just putt in the eighty nine back on his bike.
I think, oh nice.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, it just has all you say, is like a
little clip of him just measuring it up, just popping
it off, popping the decal on. And I think these
guys go friend his partner with him, and it's just
the two of them in the bike, and it just
it looked better. I don't know why. I think we're
so used to seeing people like rider's numbers as opposed
to the one now yeah, that you sort of look
at it and you get used to that brand, that

(39:41):
person is that number, that brand, And I looked at
I thought, that just looks right, and it looked good
on the bike.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
I quite like just the mentality of owning that as well,
though he's been like him in the Champion anymore, and
we're just gonna put it out there and I'm just
going to own the fact that next year I'm back
to ride the eighty nine and it just is what
it is. I think that's pretty co.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, yeah, I haven't said that I liked it. I
liked it. I liked it, you know, and I like
the way it goes on the bike. So yeah, he's back.
Eighty nine is back, so it's number seven as well.
For that matter, he was top rac number seven.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Oh, top Rac number seven. Yes, we did see top
Rack running the number seven in the test. I know.
I actually wanted to mention quickly while we were on
a prettier and the test there. I liked the Camo
livery bes was running in the test. That looked cool.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, yeah, I did like that. That was really nice.
I saw some shots of that one that looked very
very good. I like a testing livery I like it
when these guys do testing specials, helmets, leathers. Top Brack
had a really nice red and sort of dark bloodbred
kind of.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Turkey slag on his shoulder as well.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, looked very very good. I like that. A lot.
Some of the bikes were usual colors that he had liked.
The old black panel very easy to tell where they
were testing something different.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, I find that's pretty boring, Like, I like, what
did the red bull always do this in the Formula
one where they just have these amazing kind of camo
liveries and that's what the Allia one was. Yeah today
actually as Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
As we're recording, Yeah, earlier and watched most of it.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
So yeah, nice.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, I do like that. There have been over the years,
very very nice testing liveries, testing helmets that people have.
I think they should. I think it should be mandatory
every year.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah. I always liked Johnny Ray's testing liveries where he
just had like the snowflake on there and stuff. I
always thought it was pretty cool for the winter test.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't have to be much. It just
needs to be something different. Yeah, not much emphasis gets
put into it anymore, and I think that's a little
bit sad.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, it's not fully televised or anything.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Now, that's it. That's no real point. You know, gold
of the days when you could sit and watch the
entire thing, you could watch most of it. Today there
was four hour coverage in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I was there.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, on tnt Sport. It was loads there. They had
a bit this morning, but obviously that was cut short
by a red flag and so they did cut away
for a bit of that because it was just shots
of the pit lane. But we've said it before. I
watched one test where it's when Zarko first joined and
there's just guys out the back of trucks hanging around,
some dude with the cameras just like, well here I

(42:22):
am for the dough.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah. And then that was fun though. When BT Sport
used to put it on and sometimes you get the
full two day tests and it would just be nothing
but testing on bet Sport, that was great.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I don't know why, because
not a lot happened most of the time, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, and that's why no one watched it, mate, Literally
that was it.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Everyone just be sitting there just like just like watching
the Truman Show at three in the morning. Yeah, exactly,
kind of loading up incognito. Yeah, seventeenth today. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
But Prettier in general have had this really good run
of form at the end of the year because it's
not just bez Ralph Fernandez, who after that astonishing winning
Philip Island has shown that maybe that wasn't a one off.
Like he did crash in Malaysia, he did withdrawal from
port him out, but he's been fast and in Valencia,
he mat score a fourth place in the sprint and

(43:17):
a second in the Grand Prix, and right now the
future of a Prillier is looking good because Ralphernandes is
looking like the rider we all hoped he would be
after that amazing motto two year. Obviously, Agora is he
was a rookie. He had his ups and downs. I
think next year is a really important year for Agora.
But the Prillier in general just looks like a really

(43:37):
solid machine at the end of this year. And if
they can carry that form forwards, and the riders can
carry the form forwards, then, as we've said, Man twenty
six could be really cool.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, twenty six could be very very cool. Speaking of Row,
it's worth mentioned in the last weekend out he was
banged up after that crash, desicated a shit.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
He did he pull out of the race? Yeah, he
pulled out of the race or out of the weekend.
We didn't even know who was gonna ride this weekend.
And then he managed to go get fourth and a
second exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
So, considering that you know the guy's banged up and
does this, the whole form a Brillier is just increasing
all the time. You know, yeah, quite realistically, they just
need Eye to pick it up a little bit, Martin
to come in fit, healthy and just be twenty twenty
four Martin again, get the grips of that bike and

(44:26):
they've got a real solid lineup over there, a real
pungent threat. It's just like watching Jucatti. You go through
there stages of rise to the Glory again, just in
colors of black and red and slight flashes of gold,
which looks fantastic. Yeah, I don't know if you're going

(44:51):
to come into this grid at the minute. If you
can't be on a Catsi, you'd be on a.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Brilliant Well it certainly looks that way, doesn't it, And
maybe on a Honda to be fair, If you can't
get on to Decarti and Prier, then Honda is probably
the next best bet. And actually Honda, they've had an
amazing final flourish as well.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
The end of Honda's season has been something really interesting
to watch because they have really shown the last sort
of five six races what they can do. You know,
Zarko's dive bombing sort of let them down a bit.
This weekend, Well, Zarko.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Has kind of not been on a great run of
form has he since almost since he's like like that
win in the morning, then that podium in Silverston kind
of since then he's he's not. He's made a lot
of mistakes and he's not really been the rider we
saw in the first half of the year.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I think with the sort of progression of mir and Marini,
sometimes I wouldn't in my head, it looks to me
like Zarko has got used to being the top Honda,
you know, for ages now we've seen seen him at
the top of the standings, not the top of the standings,
but the top of the Honda standings, if you will,
being their kind of number one rider. And suddenly he's

(46:02):
got Meir who's kind of consistently not beating it, but
challenging him for that top spot. And I think he's
just got used to being top dog and is now
over riding the hell out of this thing because we
know the factory boys are going to get all the
improvements before him. Suddenly, you know, he's got to try
a lot harder. It's not as easy to beat these
factory guys anymore. I just honestly think he's, you know,

(46:25):
trying over riding this thing. It's finding himself now in
the position that mir and Mariney have been in for
a couple of years, and he's like, well, shit, you know,
I'm not the glory boy. Now suddenly I'm being challenged here.
I'm gonna have to push a bit harder, and this
is where we find ourself.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
It did seem to be as well. I didn't and
I don't know whether this was more of a mental
thing or not, but like as the others got upgrades
that he didn't get, there seemed to be some that's
when his form seemed to drop off a little bit.
And then we saw him you know, he's got those upgrades,
was taking him a really long time to get to
grips with them. So I don't know whether that had

(47:03):
a part to play, whether that was actually him struggling,
or whether that was just meant to strug it or
not both.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Because you go to remember that me and Marine are
going to have had those upgrades for x amount of
time longer than Zarko. They've had time to test them,
get them dialed into themselves. And suddenly Zarko gets it
and he's got to go for that process as well.
And because he's been top honder. Everyone's been singing his praises.
You know, look at the glorious stuff that Zarko is doing.

(47:31):
Suddenly he gets the upgrades. He can't do those things anymore.
He's got to dial into himself. And you know, the
emphasis isn't so much on him anymore. It's on Marini
and everyone else. But because he's been at the front,
the camera's panning on him and suddenly you see the
doldrums being played out right in front of you. And
it's just a weird scenario where you can hang at

(47:52):
the back and dial in your upgrades or if you're
running close to the front like he was, and you're
going to get that bit more k TV time and
it's going to be televised.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah that's fair. Yeah, who knows? But Honda overall, though,
in the absence of Mark Marquez and with Peco's inability
to score points, the door wasn't It left open a
little bit for manufacturers to climb up the concession ranks,
and Honda managed it. Luke Marini's seventh place fish at
Valencia was just enough to tip them into a ranked
seat manufacturer for next year, So they've moved themselves out

(48:24):
of that ranked D concessions, they're now ranked CEE, meaning
only Yamahar are left as ranked D manufacturers coming into
the twenty twenty sixth season.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Is that I don't know. If I was a Yamaha person,
I'd be looking at that going I'm not happy about this.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
No exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, bosses are going to be set around this table
going just explain to us why we only ranked D
concession people left in it?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Quite, yeah. I would not want to be the person,
you know, charged with that team bars like, you know, mate,
your boy, coffee boy, come here. Yeah, I got a
job for you. You know you wanted to earn that
promotion just to step in there and answer a couple
of questions she's led. Yeah, quite, there's a nice payday

(49:16):
in it.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
I'll go down, exactly, I'll get the first round.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
In Yeah, I could have made myself scarce.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yeah quite. Yeah, it's pretty mad. Like it was actually
quite a fun thing to watch this weekend to see
like how many points do Honder need? Like with the
championships all wrapped after everything was done, obviously there was
the battle there between fifth, fourth, and third who was
gonna end up where? Well more fourth and fifth, actually

(49:44):
got the Bears, looked like he'd sealed third. No problem,
he just had to score a couple of points over
the weekend and that was job done. But it was
fun to see what Honda needed to do to climb
out of rank D and that was quite a fun
storyline to watch over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Yeah, I was mentioned quite a bit and Neil again
for talking about this, because obviously Mia was hanging around seventh, eighth,
and then he got seventh, so there was a lot
of Marini got but really sorry, Yeah, yeah, finally finished seventh.
So I don't know. A part of me is like,
is it a good thing? With only one year left
to go before the big rule change in twenty twenty seven,

(50:20):
would it be easier to have concessions or do you
not want concessions because it's not worth developing this thing
so far until the big changed.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I'm just kind of I actually think that's the answer.
I don't think it's worth developing this engine. No, it's
if I was next year, yeah exactly, it's really worth
putting all the testing in. It's better to just have
a good machine, try and have a good year next year,
and then you can focus everything on the twenty seven machine.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah, if I was there, I just if you can
pip seventh don't really matter, but yes, if you can.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
There was a lot of celebration for it, though.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
There was yeah happy, they look really happy. As soon
as you pulled in the pits, everyone looked really elated.
You know, he've done it. It's a big step. I'm
sure along somewhere along the way they've been told, you know,
if you can get yourself in the ranks, see by
the end of this year, there'll be a nice little
backhanded bonus for you. Objectives. I'm sure that was probably

(51:15):
one of the team's objectives at the start of the year.
Let's get rank and get some decent points under our belt.
So yeah, quite And in terms of Hondra, it shows
the progression that they've made. Suddenly, if you're traveling up
the rank order, it means you're improving. So it can
only look good on the PowerPoint graph when you're in

(51:37):
your office going.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
To look up good bonus exactly. That's not how I
do it.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'm just like, look up not yet. That's it.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
To be fair though, it's not all Marine's doing, is it.
MEA had a pretty solid end of the season which,
although ended by DNFs as is his style, it did
climb aax with a podium in to a pang. He's
got two podiums this year, which is by far his
best Yes since joining Conda.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Oh god, yea yes, if you're looking at it's stats
compared to old this is a very good year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Quite And Steve Yamaha we did touch on that briefly
there with the still rank D. They have now fully
confirmed that the V four will be the engine in
their bike for ten twenty six. We were all expecting
this to happen, but it has now been officially confirmed.
The the Inline four is no more and the V

(52:32):
four will be taking over and that's what they will
be running a whole m one built around the V
four for next year.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
It's history, man, the in line is gone. I'm really
sad about this, only because I've seen it. I've literally
watched this whole generation of Yamaha come and go. It
is mad. It makes me feel very very old.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Ye you've seen it, mate, You've seen the entire in
the first race.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I've watched the last race.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Wow. That's pretty cool man, That's that's nice.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Though.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
You've managed to witness the V four's entire time in
Motor GP whatever that's been three hundred and fifty podiums
and one hundred and fifty race wins or whatever that is.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
It's mental, absolutely mental. I know it will happen again.
We're still only young ish. Oh I don't know. I
sit looking at it. I'm like, I can't remember it's
first race. Yeah, I can remember, it's the last race.
I'm gonna write a poem about it.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
That would be nice, mate, If you can write a
poem about that, we could read it out for next
week's show mate.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I could never write. I'm not a I'm no poet.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
You can choreograph a great livery reveal, championship celebration poetry
your forte. But that's okay. We've got to have weaknesses.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, yeah, words are not my weakness.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I'm point proven there we are.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Just give me a camera. I'll sort out the cinematics.
Just don't ask right, write the script.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
For that's okay. Between I can do the words, you
do everything else. We'll get there.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Okay, I'll present you with a really nice video to
celebrate the life of the in Line four.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
You can write the words nice. We can do it
between us, Mate, We'll do it between us effort. I
just have one last thing I want to touch on, mate,
before we call wits on this show, and that is
Digo Morrera. I want to bring it to Moto too,
because Diego Morera's season went from him looking like he

(54:50):
was kind of up for the title fight after Philip
Island to almost walking the title by Valencia. In the
last three rounds of the year. Diego took a single win,
one fifth place, and one tenth place finish, which doesn't
sound like that should be what swings the championship in
your favor. But his title rival Mammuel Gonzalez crashed in Malaysia,

(55:11):
finished twenty fifth in the and finished twenty fifth. He
finished sixth Inmporter Maw and twenty second in Valencia after
pulling into the pits and going back out. The difference
between the two is massive. Like Diogo Diogomera, sorry, Mamore,
Gonzalez scored what sixth place scored him ten points in

(55:31):
the last three rounds of the year, while the Ogo
scored I should have done this mass beforehand twenty five
plus eleven, so thirty six of plus the tenth he
got here, so was that forty two? So he scored
like a chunker points in comparison, and that dragged him
over the line and comfortably won the title in the end.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah, he turned round a sixty one point deficit, the
biggest in Moto two history. Yeah, it's it's nuts it
man well man who's end to his season has just
been ship luck, ship luck. You couldn't be you couldn't

(56:16):
write it, you couldn't script it from the season start,
the fight backs, the intelligent rise to how it's ended,
whether it be pressure get into him, just unfortunate run
of events because you know, the weekend we saw his
tire was basically shot and he pulled at the pits.
You knew it was over when Diego flew past him

(56:37):
on the track.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Yeah, I mean we kind of knew it was over
before the weekend he started like.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
This. But there's always a chance. Look at the man
who's luck. If it had been dogs he crashed, or
his tired blown or something, it would have been completely correct.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Software on the bike or take the stone through his radiator, Like,
there's plenty of things that could have gone wrong.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Yeah, it's just unfortunate for man who they don't all
happen to him. Yeah, and this is just racing. You've
got to finish the race to win it. And that's
just what Dioga did. Look at this weekend, didn't push
it across the line, champion.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah quite. And it was one of those rides, wasn't it.
We've seen these before where it was very much like
it was. He was riding for the championship. The result
in this race did not matter. As long as he
scored two points. Everything else was irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, exactly. He could have rode around in what thirteenth
It would not have mattered. Yeah, quite, it really wouldn't.
And that's the mentality of a champion. Don't risk it,
win it.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Exactly. What a great job.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Yeah, look what happened. Celebrated the championship on a Sunday
hops to a Moto g pebike on the Tuesday's the
hell of a week.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
There was a really nice quote from him read out
by Lucio Checkelo. Have to see if I can find
it really quick on social media about his test today
and how he described the bike, which I really enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
I always love it when you hear the Moto two
riders like describing their first experience on a Moijiqi bike.
It's always a really fun thing because these are guys
that are like proper professional racers. These are guys who
have been racing motorcycles their entire lives and then they
get on this rocket ship of a bike like there's
nothing they've ever experienced, and just hearing what they say
about it is always amazing the first time.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, here it is, we got it right here. This
is what Checkello in an interview quoting.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
So, this is a quote from Cecianello who's quoting Diogo
at the time.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Yes, so I shit in my pants. The bike is
so so powerful, not fast, not a bit fast, really
really really fast. Leg it now and then what more
do you need?

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Man? Like that's like we say, he's a professional motorcycle
racer and now he's describing this machine like it's just amazing.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
I love it. It's a big step up and it
always surprises me. You know how much faster these guys
find these butter GP bikes and what they came of.
I'd love to get top Brax thoughts on it. I
don't think anything's come out about yet. In an interview
about what he thinks, how fast the by kids, or
how it handles or anything.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I bet he's not allowed to talk about it until
January first or whatever. Contract and all that.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I bet exactly that will who will be a closed book?
Yeah quite until then. But when we do find out,
it's going to be really interesting to hear.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Yeah, it really will be. I like that. We've already
seen him doing his stopies as well.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Yes, he's making himself. Yeah, he's certainly setting then there's
some lovely clips of him giving out the lovely Turkish
treats in the garage and settling in talking to Jack
and a everyone else. Yeah, I think the guy's finding
himself well at home already.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah, he's going to be. I think he's going to
be a really good personality to have on the grid
next year, even if I'm not expecting him to do
very much performance twice and that's no slight on him.
I think that's a slight on Yamaha.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I've been a critic of not his, but the reason
to come across the motor GP when you're crushing superbikes,
you know, in the past. I really hope he proves
me wrong. He's talented enough to do it. I just
we've seen guys come across before and it all fall apart,

(01:00:40):
and my fear is someone's got to break that mold.
But my fear is he's going to fall into that trap.
These are such talented guys on this grid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
And he's not even that. It's not that I don't
think he's even as talented as they are. I think
he is. I just don't think he's in the right
place on a satellite Yamaha to do it. And maybe
you know what we've said it twenty six, this isn't
the year that he's going to go out and fight
for a title. Twenty seven potentially could be, So the
twenty six is all about a building year for him.
And then you've just got a hope, like fuck that

(01:01:12):
Yamaha get the twenty seven riggs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Right, Yeah. I just I don't want this to be
the first chink in the arbor and that kind of
downward curve. Yeah, because there was so much more to
come from him in superbikes that I just don't want
this to be that block in the copy book and
start down that slippery slope.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Don't do a Spees did day List win in super
bikes after his Marjory piece. Didnt he did? Didn't he
he did?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, he went back in one race, one race in
Valencia or on that smash it. He could always go back,
and he's telling enough to make that transition back again.
But we don't know how the bikes are going to be.
It's all and unknown, so I don't want it to
then a long time to build up because you know,

(01:02:02):
we're aging all the time. Things are changing. So I
really hope he does well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah, yeah, me too, me too. That then, Steve, I think,
does bring us to the end of this kind of
mish mash show where we've just kind of riffed for
a little while. But I've quite enjoyed it. It's been
quite a fun riff actually.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I like this style of show. We just kind of
picked the points and go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Yeah, it's been a bit different. I've enjoyed it. Yeah,
it's nice that we had three race weekends to talk
about and but yeah, it's been been a fun one.
Maybe we'll consider some more of these for next season.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yeah, definitely, I've liked it, the free flowing kind of
just start of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Yeah, quite quite. I think we'll say, fantasy league for
next week. I'd quite like to save my humble brag
for finishing the top ten for then I can devote
maybe a whole podcast or something to it. I could
probably talk fantasy strategy or something. You know, I'm basically
an expert.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Now, you don't want to mention your person non league.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
The sad reality with that, Steve, is that you and
I haven't actually made predictions for the last two or
three rounds, have we? So that feels like that's all
fallen apart, and that feels like it would be a
hollow victory for me to brag about the fact I've
won that. Okay, Okay, Although did we make predictions for Malaysia?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I believe we did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Oh in that case, I should probably go back and
try and find that file and we can at least check.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I believe we did. We signed off that show with
our predictions, and they never did that show, so we
could work it out on that and you could well
brag away my men. Right, So I need to deep
dive into Tom's computer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, so philip Island was the one before that year,
So did we make predictions? Then? We did? We made
predictions for Pang hang on, this could be the decider, Steve.
Let me just copy those predictions into this show notes here,
and now I'm gonna have to very quickly check the

(01:04:10):
results from Sapang. So with me here. I should have
thought of this earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
I'm getting there. Where are we? Where's Valencia? There we go?
Where's the pang Malaisia? There we are?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I've got it right here, I have Okay, if you
can give me the top three in the sprint and
the Grand Prix, where's the sprint? You've got.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Sprint? Here we are? Are you ready? Yeah? So first place,
I actually just go to third, mister Acosta third place,
Alex Marquez in second place, and then very I don't
know who this guy is. He must be a rookie,
mister pecobagnia. Race.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Well, neither one of us had predictions.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
No, absolutely not. That's blown it wide open. And for
the main race, yeah, obviously, mister John Mea in third, Yeah,
predicted him, no exactly, so that's fucked up. Pedro Acosta second,
and actually it goes first.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Okay, right, so now I have those right, So I
predicted for the Grand Prix for the sprint, sorry, I
predicted and Alex Marquez win, a Fabio dian Antonio second,
and a Pedro Acosta third. I score six points for that.
You predicted a Pedro Acosta win and Alex Marquez second

(01:05:50):
and a Fabio digian Antonio third. I'm sorry, I did
not score six points. I scored four points. You also
scored four points.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Nos.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
For the Grand Prix, is still predict Yeah? For the
Grand Prix, I predicted Alex Marquez win, a Zeki second
and a Diggi Antonio third. I just get three points there.
You predicted a Zeki win, a peder Acosta second, and
Frankie morbid Deli third. So you scored three point seven

(01:06:24):
a piece. Both scored seven apiece. I don't know what
our scores were.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
You were winning that I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Was winning, so I must still be winning muscle, So
you've won, So yes, I have one. It does feel
hollow though, because there we go, there's the totals. It
does feel hollow because we didn't do the last two rounds. Unfortunate.
We should have just done a text, shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I did think that the other day. I was like,
why do we not just text each other or message
each other? We messaged enough about ship that's going on exactly.
The probably we just weren't doing show notes, just didn't bother.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
So in the end I finished on one hundred and
forty five points. You finished on one hundred and forty three.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Oh close, but no to god.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yeah it was close, man, it was two points in it.
It's a shame we hadn't done the last two rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Yeah, yeah, but you won. Congratulations by then, Thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
I'll take that. I do feel mean making you buy
the beers, though, so we'll just split the round, mate.
We'll call it quits on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
We'll see whenever you're back, we'll go down the pub
and have a beer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
All right, deal, that's it. We're both winners.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
That way, everyone wins. I'll buy the first round.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Okay, sounds like a deal. Yes, right then, Steve. That
does bring us then to the end of this one.
We'll do the fantasy league next week. Give us some
time then exactly, and we'll all next time I record.
Whenever that will be, we'll work out and yeah. So
until then, guys, thank you all very much for listening.
Let us know whether you enjoyed this kind of riffy

(01:08:03):
conversation type of show. Yeah, whether this is better, whether
the more regimented shows are better. Let us know your
thoughts and feelings on that. And if you do want
to let us know, you can find us on We
Are for the Love of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Murder EP and you can find us on Instagram and Twitter,
or come and join the Facebook community. We're still having
people join that and we have done nothing for a
couple of weeks, so that's really good. Thank you all
for joining the chats.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Died, hasn't it? We need to do something about that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Oh crap, Yeah that's over now. I forgot all about that.
All right. I'll look into like Discord or something this week.
I use Discord anyway. So well, we'll find a way
if you al to chat. Await it has gone now,
hasn't it, Messenger? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
B Yeah, that's why it's been quiet. That's a real shame.
I've forgotten all about that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Actually, they couldn't wait until the season was over. Goold.
They they had to just get rid of it. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Yep, let's have a look see community. Yeah this really chats.
I'll read only Oh yeah, all right, I'll have a gander.
Maybe Discord because we can add all sorts of ship
over there. Okay, Yeah, we can have multiple lines of chat.

(01:09:17):
I have looked my designs up there this week and
see what we can come up with.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
All good, We've gone entire winter to work it out
until the season starts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Exactly well, well, we will come up with something.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Nice stuff right. Well, until then, guys, thank you all
very much for listening. Did you finish, Steve? I don't
know if you finished there or whether I cut in
front of you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Actually I don't think I did, but we'll finish it.
If there's anything else you wants to talk about, if you,
like Tim said, let us know, I do believe my
mind cut out for a sec.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yeah, something weird happen there, but we're fine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Still, we're in the room. That's all good. Yeah, anything
else you want to talk about, like the style of show,
anything at all drops the well. We are for the
Lovemotor GP at gmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Excellent and as mentioned the top of the show, we're
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Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Yes, yeah, we do appreciate you all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
We do, indeed, so until next time, guys, thank you
all very much for listening. Stay safe and look after
each other, and we'll speak to you soon.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Goodbye, Take care guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Music is by Andrew Greenwood. Thanks for listening. Goodbye,

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