A Practical Guide to Surviving the New World Order & Deprogram Self Sabatoge

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want to welcome back to the show, Jahan Stur. He
is a CTAA accredited cognitive behavioral therapist, hypnotherapist, nutrition coach,
mindfulness teacher, and specialist in the area of subconscious self sabotage. Jahann,
welcome back. How you doing.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I'm doing great. Thanks for having me back, so much.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
For coming back on. With so many independent content creators
now presenting the observations about the state of society, there's
a lot of fundamental problems being revealed about the systems
we operate under. And while there are amazing researchers presenting
this information, there's still seemingly very few tangible solutions being offered,

(02:35):
which is exactly what we'll be discussing today, as we
try to do with every episode, but your work focuses
on personal solutions to help people navigate the realm. Looking
forward to sharing your insights with the audience. Before we
get into this, it has been a while since you've
been on. Remind us a little bit about yourself and
let the audience know how they can find out more.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Well, I'm just a regular guy that went through some stuff,
and through experiencing that stuff, I had a rapid awakening
process and I became very interested in hypnotherapy. So that's
what I do. That's my main tool that I use,
and I guess some people consider me an expert on

(03:23):
subconscious self sabotage. It's not for everyone. It's for people
who are really just tired of repeating the same patterns
over and over. And you know, I used to be
a musician. I still dabble in it a little bit,
and you can find me on the Bonus Authenticity podcast.

(03:46):
I release episodes at least once a week.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
And yeah, right on, man, So let's start with your
observations of the state of society. With everything that's unfolded,
there seems to be a lot of chaos, a lot
of unsureness, a lot of people looking for spiritual answers
and solutions, and unfortunately a little bit of psychosis in

(04:10):
there as well. But I have to look at the
course that we've taken over the past couple of decades
and wonder if this is a natural course of evolution
at all, or if it's been completely steered by these
parasitic forces that we know of as a ruling class.
What are your thoughts on where we're at.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Well, you just said it. It's the parasitic ruling class.
It's the conglomerates, corporations. They're pulling the strings we often
hear about, you know, the Fritz spring Meyer theory, bloodlines
of the Illuminati and all that. It's more than thirteen

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it's it's more than just a few families doing this.
It's a consolidated, deliberate attempt to steer humanity in any
direction that is away from personal sovereignty, autonomy, any sense
of real internal freedom. Everything has been co opted. I'm

(05:17):
sure you might have listened to my podcast episode The
Cult of Psychotherapy, where I unpack how that too was
never intended to help anyone with their emotional or mental health.
Everything around us is by design, and the issue with that,

(05:41):
like you were saying, is that there's this spiritual component
that usually accompanies desire for more freedom. Right with that,
we have the New Age which has been co opted
and would I would offend a lot of people by
saying in this and I'm afraid to do so. Of

(06:04):
what you hear in the New Age is useless stuff.
People need to come to the point of awareness now
where religion is also useless. It has done some things,
like it's given us the Ten Commandments, et cetera. But
in reality, the majority of spiritual knowledge that can be

(06:24):
passed down lives within those ten commandments. It is how
you apply those things that makes the difference. If you
read all of the spiritual texts and you make comparisons,
they're all essentially giving you one critical insight, and it

(06:45):
is that all is within you. Everything is mind, and
it is all inside of you. How well you can
navigate depends on your internal relationship. And so the virtual
seekers are now being guided towards the Internet, which you

(07:06):
and I know is exactly what it sounds like, a net.
It catches your attention and it's hard to pull away
from them. So people who are well intentioned, like the
listeners of this podcast, or the listeners of Boundless Authenticity podcast,
or whoever else, will gravitate towards whoever appears to be

(07:27):
an expert, because we've been conditioned since nineteen forty seven
to accept this idea of expertise as a solution. There's
a leader that will basically have all of the information,
and that's coming from ancient archetypes. But it was perfected

(07:48):
at the birth of Tavistock in nineteen forty seven in London,
and it was just the Tavistock Clinic started in World
War One, and it really began by research shell shock
and soldiers, So that's what we now call PTSD, But
that was never really about helping anybody. All it boils

(08:10):
down to is we're going to run a series of
experiments to figure out what are the common threads between
humans and their relationship to trauma and how that changes behavior.
And out of that came mass persuasion, how to change
morale of the population, how to use propaganda techniques. Obviously,

(08:32):
coming out of the World War a lot of that
was focused around how do you keep populations obedient during
wartime and in increasing moments of stress. How do you
stop them from rebelling when they're under stress. So, when
you understand that that everything in this world is geared

(08:52):
around stopping you from rebelling, when you wake up to
I shouldn't even use the term wake up, when you
become aware that something in your environment is actually causing
you to feel like a victim. Right, you could say
that a lot of the you're not a victim of

(09:13):
circumstances programming that you see repetitively in the spiritual and
coaching arena is actually more tabs. Stop having their fingers
in that pie as well, trying to divert your attention
to radical self growth because it's a trick. It's a
mirror look at yourself, so that all you see is
yourself fundamentally. Then, because you're under stress, you're in survival

(09:38):
mode and you're only focusing on the development of your
quote unquote spiritual self, which fuels you towards narcissism. The
same thing, there was a really stupid clip going around
the internet viral about don't love your job, job your
love with that dude from mind Valley and some weird lady.

(10:04):
It is as stupid as it sounds okay. So the
intention behind that is to use the idea that you
shouldn't be working for someone else. You need to turn
the thing that you love into a form of income.
But that's not ideal for everyone. We need street sweepers,
we need maids, nurses, doctors, we need people who can

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do the hard jobs that often are thankless, often may
not lead to a life full of passion and purpose
and all of that. Sometimes the you know, you talk
to those people and they're burnt out all the time
and they want to do something else, but they know

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that what they're doing is necessary. It may not necessarily
check all their boxes. That's just an example. So that
is a way of diverting people's attention and focus and
who they are on the insight, and again they get
us because most people are actually good. Most people just

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want to be loved. They just want to create love
from whatever they experience, and they don't know that we
have just been turned into you know, the smashing Pumpkins line.
In spite of my rage, I'm just a rat in
a cage. Right, So that's where we're at. And then
you have the media, of course, which is more Tavistock

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and three letter agencies that they know that the most
effective way to shape society is not through force, but
actually through these moving pictures. It began with radio and newspapers.
Who wants that fear of what you can hear on
the radio war off and they realized they needed something stronger.

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Then they realized that the repetition of the images and
stories and slogans could be easier implanted without you realizing
it through the TV. Right, So, yeah, you know, and
they just use these three basic techniques, which would been
number one, the repetition principle, which is you say something

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often enough and people are gonna accept that as truth.
It only takes the subconscious mind two to three repetitions. Okay,
when I say subconscious, I'm still talking in those terms
as though there's a difference between conscious and subconscious. But realistically,
when a person is stressed out to the max, which

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is what we're seeing right now in this present global culture,
all is mind. There's very little critical thinking whatsoever. And
so in hypnosis we talk about the critical faculty, which
is the doorway to the unconscious processes that run everything.
But that doorway becomes wide open when you're under this
much stress, right. The other principle is the authority principle

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that I spoke about a little bit earlier. Put somebody
in a butcher coat or a lab coat or a
general's uniform, and the public is going to obey that.
That's why programming from Gray's Anatomy and medical shows and
stuff work and sell so well because of the authority principle.

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They can tell you anything. There's also the reason why
you watch certain TV shows, from The Walking Dead to
anything on the CW superhero shows, you notice that they
dress a very particular way and compare the way that
they're dressed to like Dean and Sam in Supernatural. It's

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a very particular color scheme, a particular dress code, usually
a well tailored T shirt and a long sleeve shirt
or a jacket or something over the top, using certain
colors and hues, and that all also engages the authority
principle causes you to follow that person as though there're

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somewhat I guess like you, but they know a lot
more about a particular topic or something within an emotional context.
So then nicking news emotional triggers like fear and sex
or outrage to just basically bypass any rational faculties that
you have, right, And that's actually just the formula of

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modern advertising and the twenty four hour news cycles. That's
why CNN changed their name from CNN to breaking News
on paper. Right. You hardly ever hear this is CNN anymore.
You'll always hear breaking news and they go right into something,
and a lot of the time, if you sit there,

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you realize, wait a minute, this actually isn't even urgent.
But just because they've said breaking news before, that limbic
system gets activated and you blindly accept information. Whether you
can try to accept or reject that depends on your
level of stress at the moment, depends on what you
put in your body. I like to use the example

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of Gosh his name escapes me because I haven't talked
about this in a while, but he was the producer
and creator of Gilligan's Island and people were reaching out
to him sending letters basically saying, why do you have
those people trapped on that island? We have the resources,
we can go and save them. And that was the
moment he realized that people were stupid. I think his

(15:34):
name is Sherwood Schwartz or something. Like that, and that
goes to show you the effect of television back in
a time period where the technology wasn't that advanced, you know,
when people were not.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
They can make anyone an expert, anyone that they handpick
that is willing to carry a certain narrative. They don't
even have to be educated in whatever they're trying to promote.
They just have to be the one that plays the
part of the expert. And you can have an entire

(16:08):
population swaying their opinion on one thing or another because
of this douchebag that they decided was an expert. It's crazy.
I want to go back to something you were saying
about the new age spirituality traps new age or otherwise.
Right now it's being promoted is the information and the

(16:29):
knowledge and the spiritual wisdom, but zero application, only the
rewarding of understanding certain spiritual concepts to a certain degree.
But those that are preaching these same concepts are addicted,
are sexual devians, or have other huge, major problems in

(16:53):
their life, but they know some heavy duty spiritual stuff.
So there are going to be the new face of
whatever spiritual movement is come about. So this is another
problem that I see we're facing right now.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Well, you and I share that common bond. We came
up in you know, the Age of Awakening. We were
both spurred very much by our interests in fringe topics,
paranormal conspiracy, and spirituality. Right we both are very, according

(17:30):
to the narrative, spiritually aware, but also aware on a
level outside of that due to our ability to critically think.
So I don't feel like you and I probably have
fallen into the traps that everyone else has. The issue
with the New Age programming is that if that information
was inherently empowering at all, we would not have any

(17:53):
access to it. Okay, it's that it's that simple and
sad in the reality of it, and a lot of
people will argue. Probably people are arguing and turning this
episode off right now because I've touched on something that
they don't want to accept. Ultimately, no one should be

(18:14):
able to tell you what your reality is, how to worship,
who to worship. Ultimately, if you get right down to
the deepest, darkest parts of you and you figure out
how to remove those things, there's a part of your
brain that needs to be connected to your spiritual self

(18:38):
or you will die. It has been measured in atheists
that these parts of your brain, they will shut off
over time if you constantly deny the concept of God
to a degree that you just you know, you don't
even want to acknowledge anything in that way. And so

(19:00):
there's so many different ways that we get sucked into that.
There's tons of psychological manipulation between the New Age spirituality
and other sources of worship as well. It's all the same,
and it's the allure of belonging. Humans are literally wired
for connection. We want to have family, we want to

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have a tribe, we want to have a purpose. New
Age and religious organizations know that, and they use it
against us. The New Age is basically offering things like
we see a lot of the cosmic family type deal
and it's the best way I can describe it. For
this purpose, it's promising you that you're a part of

(19:43):
a chosen generation. We hear the chosen ones a lot
in so many different places. We're supposed to be here
to raise the planet's vibration. Right, logically, we live and
we die. Okay, if there is a group of us
that are supposed to raise the vibration, what happens when

(20:05):
we die? Who comes along after that. If you don't
ask those questions and actually just be honest about it,
then you're not gonna want to hear anything else. And
so it preys on our deep need to be accepted
and loved and put on a pedestal and seen as

(20:25):
something special above others. Right, it's like identity fusion. Really,
it's your sense of self is going to merge with
this group, and you can't leave or deny the information
or allow yourself, the patient's and the grace to think
critically about it, because you don't want to leave the community.

(20:47):
You don't want to upset the community because they've gotten
in your head and now you're convinced that somehow, if
you put that to the site, even just to think
about it, you would abandon your soul's mission. Way right,
anybody could listen to what I'm saying, then go back
and scroll through your Instagram feed and listen to what
they say, and you realize exactly what I'm talking about.

(21:10):
You know, if you don't resonate, your vibration is high enough.
You know, you also see that with the conspiracy trying
too where it's like you know, you have cognitive dissonance
if you don't blindly accept what I'm telling you about
the parasitic elites, you should be able to actually look
around and see it on your own, look at how

(21:31):
everything is just set up in a way that it's
a carrot on a string and it's taken from us.
If you can't see that basic thing, then you're gonna
have a hard time understanding anything about manipulation, because people
do that when they're interpersonal relationships too. They just get
puppeted by other people, and there's an unconscious component to that.

(21:55):
You know, I if I if I lose this person,
or if I get excluded from a group, then you know,
I don't know what I'm going to do. So many
people will stay in a toxic relationship with toxic dynamics
or in a toxic group when doubts arise, because losing
that it feels like losing yourself. You build your identity

(22:16):
around everything. But then you know, you exploit people's vulnerability
with that kind of stuff, Like nobody is waking up
one day and they're like, oh, I want to be
a part of a spiritual movement. Usually, and within the
context of psychology and hypnotherapy, we understand that a crisis

(22:39):
is a transition from one point in life to another,
and in between there's change, and that change is difficult
to accept and implement. So when people arrive at a
point of spirituality, they're usually at rock bottom. They're feeling broken,
they're feeling like that spiritual part of themselves that you
spoke about is now the catalyst for a search, right,

(23:04):
So that's exactly when they're the most vulnerable. So you're
talking about grief, trauma, divorce, illness. Those are the usual
gateways that the New Age space will get its teeth
in you, or religion will find you. You know, you
find religion. So instead of healing, that pain then gets monetized,
you're sucked into the cycle of endless courses. If you're

(23:26):
fucking up your chakras and you got to get them healed,
you got to go to a spiritual retreat, and you
got to do like DNA activations and that crazy stuff.
I just want people to be aware of pain point marketing,
that's what I call it. You're identifying somebody's wound and
then you're offering an expensive fix. So people in crisis

(23:49):
kind of accept extreme ideas more easily, and they're desperate
for relief. And I know there's gonna be assholes that
are going to be like, well, that's the same thing
that you do. You're a coach to those people, I
would say, I'm actually in the book as a hypnotherapist.
I charge one fifty per hour because that's the going
rate in that field. And oftentimes the people that want

(24:14):
to do the deep self sabotage coaching, they're willing to
pay you big bucks. But they're also they have the
money available and they want to change, so they'll pay you.
And imagine you're sitting with someone that is in such
a state of crisis. Let's say they're rich. They think
they've had it all, but they're empty on the inside.

(24:34):
They have all these traumas and fears on this surface,
and they're going to fight you to keep those traumas
in fears. Somebody comes to me for hypnotherapy in general counseling,
we're gonna mostly talk for an hour, and that person
moves on whether they do anything or not. It's none
of my damn business because I can't steal anyone's learning

(24:55):
from them. How they learn is by doing so. They
have to implement the revelations. The insights and the tips
that I give them in the hour and move on
and come back and tell me the next week here's
what I learned or whatever. But nobody wants to fight.
It's very low return on investment to fight with someone, right,

(25:16):
So people need to take that into to consideration too,
because there's a lot of well intentioned counselors and coaches
and people who have private practices, whether they're psychiatrists or
conventional license psychologists, etc. That are doing the same work.
And you're looking for who is knowledgeable, who has a

(25:38):
high emotional intelligence and cares about you, and maybe certain
services that they have might be steep, but it will
be worth it because you want somebody that's going to
be on your team and fight for you. A lot
of these guys just don't give a shit about you.
They know you're desperate for relief, and so they'll tell
you any old thing. They probably got a twenty five

(25:58):
dollars certificate from some where or woke up one day
and they were like, Hey, you know what if I
just spend a little bit of my money and I
make it look like I'm rich, I can sell you
something you know, and then convince you I have insight, and
like you were speaking about, I know you see it
because you interview a lot of people. There's a lot

(26:19):
of regurgitators out there, there's a lot of fakers and frauds,
and you're just doing the interview because you're trying to
get content out there and you're hoping that people can
exercise their own discernment. But what the fuck is discernment?
Discernment is common sense, and when you're in stress, you
don't have common sense. You're operating solely out of fear.

(26:39):
So it's not that you're stupid or dumb, is that
you're so stressed your limpic system is turned on you
can't ask the relevant questions beyond a certain point to
save yourself from getting scammed. Right, So that's the way
it goes. I'll let you ask.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Un let's talk a little bit more about common programming
and permission giving beliefs as you have here in your
talking points. Tell us a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh, you know, the interesting thing about the common programming
is that there's kind of like the resistance around this
topic because of the cultural conditioning. So I always talk
about how anything you watch on a screen, the prefrontal

(27:31):
cortex deactivates, and that just allows information to become the
direct input into other areas of the brain. It's difficult
to reject information even when you disagree with it. I
talk about how the limbic system is a recording device,
and it wants you to stay the same. It wants
to keep you from having a painful experience that you
had before. And so that becomes problematic because if you

(27:57):
are also just trying to do your best and you
feel like you're doing something that is good for you
and it turns out to be bad, well, naturally you
don't want to hear that at all. Right, So you
have these I guess, these pathways that are activated in

(28:18):
the brain. The main one that I would talk about
is the stress fear memory pathway, and it's from your
prefrontal cortex to the nuclear cuccumbents through something called the
ventro tech mental area, which very simply deals with the
distribution of different neurotransmitters, and then it reaches your hippocampus.
So imagine you come across a new scenario in your

(28:39):
life and you don't have a reference from childhood, then
you can't just say that that's childhood trauma because I
couldn't tell you how many times I've sat with a
person poked around in their subconscious mind and there was
no trauma to link back to this thing. Right. So

(29:00):
you see a lot of that these days, where people
are coming up with responses to life based on what
they've recorded in their hippocampus, which would be like a
tape recording, right, records everything you've seen in your childhood,
your teenage years, in a movie on YouTube, a social
media clip. Right, your brain just believes that you're the

(29:22):
person on the screen. So adding that to the category
of regular childhood trauma, then you get the basic common programming, right.
And so the reason why you're self sabotaging is either
because you learn something in childhood as you went through
Jean Pj's Lovely stages of cognitive development from zero to seven.

(29:46):
You want to take in all this as much information
as you can so you can survive from seven to fourteen.
You're testing that in the environment to see whether it
gives you a reward or not. The reward is often
any motion or the behavior triggers certain neurotransmitter responses in
the brain, so you say, okay, that's good. Your LIMITX

(30:07):
system says, okay, that's good, even if it was bad
for me, And from fourteen to twenty one you're doing
the same thing. You're just testing and discarding programming. I
like to differentiate between programming and conditioning. We know BF.
Skinner's work on conditioning shows us how everything is behavior based,

(30:28):
reward based, so you execute behaviors because you get a reward.
Programming is usually linguistic, language based, the things that we
think of inside of our head. I'm laying the groundwork
for everything that's going to come next. So it's like
from twenty one then to about thirty, what's happening is

(30:52):
that your brain has learned a whole lot of stuff,
but it's not fully developed. So this is why teenagers
are so difficult to deal with. They don't have fully
developed brains. In your twenties, what do they teach you.
They condition you to live fast and die young. So
you make all of these choices that destroy your brain,
destroy your serotonin, destroy your dopamine. We are now surrounded

(31:15):
by a sea of screens which destroy the prefrontal cortex.
Rational thinking and willpower becomes incredibly weakened. And so those
are basically the ways that you get programmed after thirty five.
We've had all the different experts. I like to give
credit where it's where it's due. Joe Dispense it has

(31:37):
a body of work on this, even though I'm not
completely sold on him because of the whole new age
thing I just talked about. But the point is that
he can present scientific evidence on paper that shows brain scans, etc.
Which is what you need to look at. And you
know that it's very hard to make changes to your

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default conditioning and programming because you're so set in your
ways after thirty five because of the development of the
brain being finalized. Okay, but that doesn't mean that nothing
can change. We also have all of the research that
says that meditation can slowly rewire the brain. Changing repetitive

(32:20):
patterns of behavior can slowly rewire the brain. And all
of that goes together with understanding where your trauma comes from.
Is it implanted through culture or is it your childhood
traumas following and so you know, along with that then rejection, resentment,

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the grudges that you hold, the regret that you have
formed in your life from missing out on certain things
or realizing that you made the best choice that you
could have, but it wasn't necessarily good. In a lot
of ways, you lose relationships with people, etc. Onliness that
you feel in society. A lot of my clients are men.

(33:04):
They feel alone as a man, because, let's face it,
women and men are two different entities altogether. They're wired differently,
their brains are different, and communication between people is so
difficult now because of all of the things that I've
mentioned before that are dividing us. So you have people

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that have fear of success and fear of failure that
are all coming from different places, and they're all working
together in the same group of programming, and these things
can become apparent at any point in your life. People
will tend to any kind of belief. Sorry, they will

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tend to hold on as hard as they can to
any kind of belief just because they feel comfortable with that,
even when those beliefs are detrimental to growth and being.
So you have people with the most common linguistic programming,
which is I'm a victim, I've been molested, i am broken,

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I'm abused, I'm traumatized, and they don't have any emotional
reference for what it's like to be safe, and therefore
they have no programming for that either, so it's hard
to condition them or program them or deprogram them out
of that in any way. Permission giving beliefs comes in

(34:29):
where a lot of the self sabotage stuff is based
around that. Because it's the exact same as addictive thinking.
This model has been used by the Beck Institute to
basically determine the ways that people will justify beliefs and behaviors.

(34:50):
It's insidious because it's it's behind that attraction to have
that second or third cup of coffee when you're already
woken up. You know, after one cup of coffee you're
into very dangerous territory in terms of the dose of caffeine,
probably moving into an unhealthy dose of caffeine, which while

(35:12):
on a cognitive level you don't notice anything, your body's
screaming for help. Right, I'll just have that cookie that
I want. You know, I'm craving a cookie. Then you
eat the whole fucking package, and you know, you say, oh, well,
I didn't gain it in any way yesterday, So I'll
just eat another pack of Oreos today, and so on

(35:33):
and so forth. You're way above your calorie intake for
the day. And then two or three weeks later you
realize how the hell did I gain fifteen pounds, right,
and you begin to spiral out because you don't know
how to correct that, because you have people that literally
sit around in labs and make everything more addictive, from
the alcohol to the energy drinks, to the coffee, to

(35:56):
the tea, to the the popcorn and the cookies and
the chips and everything. People get addicted through the breaking
down of the neurotransmitter pathways to YouTube or Netflix, so
they're like, I'll just watch another episode. Whatever I get
emotionally from that feels great, and it's hard to override

(36:19):
the addictive properties of the chemicals themselves. So couple that
with beliefs about it. Imagine if you're thinking like core ideas,
like if I feel or think something unpleasant, I can
get rid of that by avoiding it with food or drink,
core drugs or television. And really what a person's saying is,
I just don't understand how to process unpleasant feelings, right,

(36:40):
And that's the Actually, the emotional language has a lot
to do with understanding. I can't tolerate those unpleasant feelings,
so I'm just gonna avoid that. A lot of people
like to narrow that down to avoidant personality, but in essence,
human beings are the same as rats. In science, they
call it risk version, so both humans and rats are

(37:02):
risk conversive. That's why rats work so well. In every experiment, right,
you get a lot of beliefs, permission giving beliefs like
I can't cope as others can. I'm needy and weak.
It's usually what becomes before putting something in your mouth

(37:24):
or smoking weed. Other hard drugs also follow that line.
Those beliefs get activated to by anxiety or some kind
of fear. Everyone's pretty much a victim of these. Will
tell ourselves it's not hurting anyone, so what's the problem.
You use that to give yourself permission to numb yourself

(37:46):
or indulge in something bad. People with that belief running
tend to think of themselves as rebels or nonconformists as well.
That's how they will look at a person that you know,
they've got blue or green hair and they're dressed like
a goth or something. They see themselves as a nonconformist.

(38:06):
And a lot of those guys are really sweet, really nice,
and very intelligent. But then there's the other side of
that too, where they feel like going along with that
means they have to be an addict. I fell victim
to that myself in the music industry. I felt like
being an addict meant I was a tortured artist, and
I could operate from that. But a lot of it

(38:26):
is just about seeking to neglect the obligations and responsibilities
of being a functional human. It's difficult to be a
functional sober human. People will use permission giving beliefs like
my way is the best way. I need to be

(38:47):
in complete control. People will self sabotage because of those,
because they believe that they're always right and so they're
in control. They believe that sex, drugs, and sugar and
alcohol aren't a problem. People tell themselves in addiction a
lot of the time, this isn't a problem for me.
I can stop whenever I want. Because behind that, they're

(39:08):
protecting the sense of omnipotence that they get when they're
running on caffeine or sniffing coke or whatever the case is.
You just see it a lot. That's why people can
do heroine and function at an office job and you
would not know that your buddy across the hall from
you John is a heroin addict, or he's on fentanyl

(39:30):
or anything like that. You know, people find ways of
using just enough permission giving beliefs are I can't tolerate boredom.
Everyone can do whatever they want. If I feel like
doing something, I am free to go ahead and do it.
I mean, that's the the way that people weaponize free

(39:50):
will against themselves, and our.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Systems just perpetuate this, especially our medical system and our
healthcare system, the mental health care system provide band aid
solutions which actually add to the problems and contribute to
the addictions that people have as well. So it's a
vicious cycle that's almost impossible to get out of if

(40:14):
you're looking for solutions from the system itself.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Absolutely, absolutely, any idea that's based around entitlement that you
can do whatever you want, or anybody can do whatever
they want, regardless of anybody else's needs, or regardless of
what is morally, ethically and spiritually righting. That's an attack
on you as a spiritual being. That's a part of
the spiritual warfare. Permission giving beliefs can be any idea

(40:41):
or automatic thought that sound like just one ice cream,
just one coffee, one beer, one slice of chocolate cake.
As long as I'm careful, drugs won't hurt me. A
lot of people with caffeine addiction or alcoholism are like,
without it, life be boring. You know, I need something

(41:02):
to perk me up or calm me down. Nobody will
find out it's going to help me to relax. Like
I could go on and on and on, but I
know that people are listening to this right now, like,
oh fuck, that's me or that has been me. Right
as you were saying, there's a lot of people in
the spiritual community that are fakers, and they think that
they can get away with it. So they think that
they can drink or use drugs or do whatever because

(41:24):
their fucking vibration is going to alchemize it. Right, Spiritual
people don't get fat, sick or cancer or heart disease.
Right Because you're saying that because you're grateful, you're selling
other people the idea that just because you're grateful and
you meditate and you do ayahuasca, that you're better than
everyone else and you're hardware now doesn't work the same
as everyone else. It's very egotistical, very immature, dangerous ideas

(41:49):
to share with people, because most people are already looking
for excuses to self destruct or to numb some pain,
or whatever the case is, to justify unhealthy lifestyle choices,
et cetera. You know, so permission giving beliefs to some
that up are just these linguistic statements that we used

(42:09):
to self justify any pattern of behavior, and they're all
linked and to the documented beliefs about addictive behavior. So
you can literally check. You can literally read a textbook
called Cognitive Therapy of Substance Abuse is by the Back Institute.
And you know, that's how we we justify porn and

(42:33):
shopping and destroying our relationships and everything else. That's how
we tear the whole chance at a good life down.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
You know, this is the kind of information that should
be taught to children before anything else. The awareness of
the programming, the awareness of the things that could lead
us into all the traps that you just mentioned. Being
aware of this from a very young age could save
people from going through a lot of the problems that

(43:02):
most of society is facing right now. So super important information.
If we could only translate that to some kind of
education for younger people, that be absolutely amazing. I want
to talk a little bit about the serial box hypothesis.
What is this?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
The serial box hypothesis is just a name that I've
given to all of that that I mentioned before. It's
that every program, every linguistic challenge in your mind is
like a serial box. Every belief is like a serial box.
Imagine emptying a box of fruity pebbles, and each pebble

(43:44):
is an idea or a thought or an emotional response
that is linked to a program called fruity Pebbles. So
that's the same as I'm not enough. When you are
faced with stress and it triggers that program Fruity Pebbles,
you're basically going to have a thought that is linked

(44:05):
to that program. So, like I said, you replace that
with I'm not enough, then you're going to have every
thought possible that's linked to that knocking around in your head.
And until you become aware of it and question it,
it's not going to empty out. So it's like pouring
a bowl of fruity pebbles, right, You empty that box
by eating the cereal and you get rid of it.

(44:25):
Then eventually you throw away the box. And so there
needs to be more emphasis within the entire mental and
emotional health industry around unpacking using correct questioning frameworks, so
that through the process of self realization and self insight,
remember that internal wisdom that is the driving force between

(44:48):
all deep spiritual breakthroughs and just being normal that we
were referencing at the beginning. That's how you grow. The
information out there is not inherently empowering at all. So
you must delete those linguistic, programmed thought patterns that are
linked to those blanket headings I'm not enough, I'm not

(45:12):
safe enough, et cetera, et cetera. Those permission giving beliefs
all fall into that category. Okay, so the work isn't
done just because you get hypnotized. The real work begins
when you come out of it and you talk about
what you experience. Then you ask questions about that. The
work is in journaling and realizing, oh shit, this repetitive thing,

(45:34):
this self justification, or this way that I see this
other person, whatever it is, that's all coming from inside
of me, and Okay, I'm gonna get really curious about
what that is. In meditation, it's not just glorified breathing.
It's saying, okay, what do I see? What do I smell?
What do I hear? What am I thinking in relationship

(45:56):
to that? What impulses seemed to come from different direct
in my mind? And within that landscape, people experience those
things differently through their visual faculty. People have smells, people
have auditory responses. Question all of those things, for what

(46:19):
purpose do I have that thought? What does that mean
to me? Because what and why are actually two different
categories inside of the landscape of the mind. Why usually
tells you the meaning that you assign to things, and
what tells you the reward that you get for the
behavior or the emotional response. So when people are asking

(46:42):
themselves questions like that, you will grow at a much
faster rate than taking some fuck cards course online. Okay,
and I'm not necessarily crying down my colleagues, but this
is why I've been banned on the internet since twenty fifteen,
because I very simply became aware of what I wasn't

(47:04):
aware of by asking questions through reading these cognitive psychology books,
Cognitive Therapy for Substance abuse, Cognitive Therapy for Anxiety and depression,
Dialectical behavior therapy textbooks, CBT THAT textbooks asking questions about
the discrepancies that I noticed in the protocols that were

(47:24):
assigned to certain things. Okay, and a lot of people
don't do that because they don't want to lose their license,
or if they do that and they ask questions, they
get hauled into somebody else's office and they're told don't
do that.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So, self responsibility is how we break free and we
learn to speak to ourselves with more respect and more curiosity.
Curiosity is a form of love. I say that all
the time. Okay, there's nothing wrong with asking questions.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Let's talk a little bit about how people can exist
in the realm and feel comfortable. We're discussing about how
so many people are running away from their feelings depression,
turning to drugs, because once you start becoming aware of
the nature of our systems, it can get a bit depressing.

(48:19):
I went through some depression whenever I started becoming aware
of things. A lot of people are looking at gnostic
spiritual concepts, wondering if we're recycled, if we're reincarnated to
come back to this shithole of a realm that's controlled
by lizard people, why would I want to do that?

(48:39):
What is the point of this realm? What would you
tell people that may snap them out of that negative
thought pattern.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Well, Chris, I'm gonna gas let you right now. You
chose to come here and have that experience. Listen, listen,
these people are very clever and they have explanations for
everything because they understand, and if they don't have an
explanation for it, the power power grid slips. Okay, that

(49:16):
I call spiritual gaslighting. How dare you tell a woman
that was raped by three men in a gang rape
in an alley that she chose that and came to
this reality to experience that. How disgusting of you? You
understand that that just doesn't cut it. I love Dolora Scannon.

(49:39):
I like her work, but I fundamentally do not agree
that something happened and you were floating around in the
spiritual realm and you said, hey, I want to get
fucking rape today. You know that's not that. Nobody does that.
Nobody does that. That is incredibly unloving to put that

(50:00):
on people. Now, self responsibility is important, and that is
how you break the power grid. Like I said before,
because nobody's in charge of your healing and your level
of intelligence except for you. You realize that they put
us in front of cartoons when we're young, because that's

(50:21):
the earliest mass media conditioning technique that they can come
across besides conventional schooling. So you're being shaped by this
power grade through various means to basically teach you when
to laugh, what to laugh at, who to trust, what's normal.

(50:44):
I like to call it like the Tom and Jerry
programming thing, because in Tom and Jerry, if Tom ever
caught Jerry, the show would be over in the first episode, right,
And so that's how the system works. The system is
Tom and we're all running around knowing that we have

(51:04):
this deep discomfort with the way that things are set up.
And so that's how you end up with people who
are operating within let's say environmental institutions, environmental protection institutions.
They're in stress, they're in fear. There's protocols, but you

(51:25):
can't follow those protocols because if you actually did anything
to save the environment, conglomerates and rich businessmen would suffer
and lose a lot of money. Yeah, what do they
need the money for if they print the money in
the first place, You ask, well, without the illusion of money,

(51:46):
without the illusion of an energy exchange, you can't be
controlled because if we all lived in common unity in
spite of our differences, which differences can make us stronger.
If we agree to disagree, and we agree that whatever
we do agree on, we can use that as a
strength to build something new from. Then we can survive

(52:09):
and thrive without having the experts and the businessmen and
the government and all that. Traditionally we have all this
information coming through the pipeline about government actually meaning mind control,
and whether that's true or not true is neither here
nor there. The point is is that you have people
that want to run your life for you. They want

(52:30):
to now put us in digital enslavement using the illusion
of the energy exchange. You need money, but that is
just so that they can continue to harvest your attempts
at being a good person and then you get nothing
out of it. If you look at like if you

(52:53):
look at how threat is always leveraged in every arena
and understand that that's not normal. That's not normal. If
you look at the relationship between a lion and a gazelle,
you know that gazelle knows that it has to play
the game and it will be eaten. It is food. Okay,

(53:15):
So there's at a certain level. There's that level of
consent between the lion and the gazelle. The gazelle knows
one day I'll get caught and get eaten, and if
I get to live my life, then okay, so be it.
So they have positioned themselves at the top of the
food chain as the lions, so that they can use

(53:36):
that against us and trick us into thinking, oh, you
know what, I'm just doing a job, for example, So
I have to feed my family, so I have to
go along with this. The doctor knows what's best for me,
so I have to go along with this, because who
am I. I don't know anything about medicine. Right. You
could easily just turn that on its head and say, okay,

(53:57):
when I eat fried chicken, is my stomach get upset? Yeah?
If the answer is yes, for you, that's damaging you.
That's common sense. Don't fucking eat the fried chicken. Okay.
If you know that when you wake up in the
morning and you need ten cups of coffee to get

(54:20):
through the day and you're wired but tired at night
and you can't sleep and you're on that path, why
are you doing that? That's common sense? I should just
stick to the one cup. What are the reasons why
I can't stick to the one cup? Why do I
go to the pub every evening and drink a pint
with my buddies and then I stumble home? What is

(54:43):
damaging you yourself doing? What is the reward for that?
That's common sense. If you know you're working a job
and you don't like doing it, and you feel like
you would be better off doing something else, don't quit
your job. Think about what that something else is. Is
that something you can make into a hobby and maybe

(55:04):
making a few extra dollars to feed your family and
have a great Christmas, or the perks that go along
with having extra money to throw around? You know what
is that? But don't quit your job because the New
Age said so, or some coach on the internet said so,
or because a conspiracy theorist said the government sucking us. Try. Yes,
they are right, but use your common sense. Common sense

(55:28):
is not so common. I used to hear that when
I was growing up, and I wondered what it meant,
and I realized as I got older, that's what it means.
It's where we steal from ourselves. So to defeat that system,
we have to take responsibility for ourselves, because at the
end of the day, if digital id gets implemented and
we don't speak out and strike back against it, start

(55:51):
petitions in our neighborhood, push against the government. Don't vote
for them, okay, don't vote for them. Nobody votes, because
then that would force the system to say, okay, well,
you know, is it rigged or not. You see a
certain number of votes showing up, you realize did you vote?

(56:12):
Did you vote, Chris John?

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Did you vote? No?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Okay, well, something's wrong. Get angry at these people because,
as David Ike says, as much as I don't like
to reference him so much, it's the many versus the few. Right,
Why don't we want to be in charge of our
lives completely? All of that is stuff that we need
to consider because it's not leading to progress. It's not

(56:40):
going to be a good environment for our children. We
complain about how the generations do this, that and the other,
and we're always dividing ourselves between the generations, and we
see that generations get dumber and more passive. Why is
that because we complicit? We are complicit and complacent with
our own mental and emotional slavery. It's because we say

(57:05):
that we're just going to go along to get along.
But it's not working for us. It never has, right
of course, there you get these people that come along
and they're like, oh, but we need someone to lead
us and guide us and do that. Okay, So why
can't we all just communicate and share the burden? Okay?
Because ultimately with leadership there's a lot of pressure on

(57:28):
one person or a few people. And we have you know,
too many podcasts, too many influencers, too many new stations,
too many musicians on a stage yelling their beliefs at you,
too many actors on a screen leveraging they're perceived expertise

(57:55):
and importance, and we don't and we love it. We
don't want to think about all of that and what
it's actually pushing us towards. So I'll stop there, you know,
think about Tom and Jerry and realizes that the cat
chases the mouse, chaos ensues. There's no words needed, but

(58:15):
the simplicity of that is where the conditioning is, and
that's exactly what we're doing. Stop chasing the mouse, right.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
There's some wonderful insights. I want to get your thoughts
on one more thing before we close out there seems
to be this rise of people that are attempting to
use magic and ritual to solve all their problems without
doing any inner work or healing or of any kind,

(58:45):
just relying on the esoteric knowledge that they heard on
TikTok to do spells and get ahead in life.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Well, that's coming from the people that are trying to
kill us. That's that's what they use. And I know
that for some people this is difficult to wrap your
mind around, but there are energies that exist beyond the veil,
if you will. There are these energies that are more

(59:16):
than willing to help us. But the reason they're willing
to help us is because we give them life by
using them. One of the worst things that experiences that
I ever had in my life was reading the Grand
Keys of Solow just not even reading it out loud,
but reading the incantations and stuff in that and trying

(59:37):
to understand what was going on for the purpose of understanding,
not for my own personal use. Called in these energies
because they love when you pay them attention. Okay, that's
why manifesting is dangerous. You know, I jokingly say, you're
not going to squeeze your asshole together and manifest a
million dollars. Yeah, Okay. How it actually works is you

(01:00:01):
do things and you are thinking differently, so you act differently.
You come across people in circumstances because you did something
slightly different, and then all of a sudden, you make
connections with other people. We need each other, we need
that community. That's why I say we would survive and
thrive on TikTok, the witchcraft thing. They're teaching all of

(01:00:26):
the elements that they use in their secret meetings to
bring in these energies that enhance their ability to do
things quickly. That's why even when they do get negative
repercussions to what they do, they never stop. They just
continue and go again. Will just sacrifice another baby, We'll
just kill another person. Will just get people to think

(01:00:50):
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beings that live beyond the spiritual and metaphysical planes that
we can perceive only through personal insight are just willing
to come across and give you something in a exchange.
And that's why oftentimes when people manifest, you will if

(01:01:12):
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a certain amount of money, like a thousand dollars in
a week or two hundred thousand dollars or something like that.
It comes at a cost. The person that's offering it
wants something morally or spiritually valuable to you, and they
want to take that from you, okay, And it's usually

(01:01:36):
along the lines of sexual depravity and perversion, usually along
the lines of getting stuck in a contractual cycle where
they own you your imagery or likeness. I know that
sounds about like the music and Hollywood industry, but it
goes beyond. It goes right up the chain in businesses

(01:01:57):
and things like that too. We'll give you what you
need in exchange for all of you, all the best
parts of you. So there's a lot that you can
say about that, but people need to be acutely aware
that slow and steady wins the race. Integrity wins the race.
But people are allergic to integrity because we love quick fixes.

(01:02:18):
We want it all now, and that's not wise because
when those things come into your life, they will violate
your mind and your body through spiritual warfare. They will
co opt your thinking. That's why we have so many
undiagnosed and diagnosed schizophrenics and bipolars and all that stuff,

(01:02:39):
and they make this stuff up about brain chemistry when
in reality, the very smallest percentage of it is brain
chemistry and a large part of it is spiritual warfare.
So the ones who can be helped with some small
doses of medication can manage it, and the others are

(01:02:59):
completely lost to the dark forces because they're difficult to
deal with. You know, they're difficult. Nobody acknowledges except what
Jerry Marzinski and his buddies. You know, there's a very
small group of people combined that readily acknowledge this stuff,

(01:03:21):
and they have the appropriate tools to solve these challenges.
But essentially it's just another form of conditioning that takes
away from us and who we are. You have to
give of your best self to have those things using
those methods, and it's just not wise.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
To go that route. Right on, this was fantastic information.
Before we close out, remind the audience about what you
do and if they're interested, how they can find out more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Well. I am a hypnoti therapists. I offer coaching. I
use various tools cognitive behavioral therapy to get to the
bottom of things. You can find me on Boundless Authenticity
podcast that's available on Spreaker, Rumble, YouTube, Spotify, Apple, and

(01:04:21):
all you gotta do is just send me an email
at self Sabotage info at proton dot me. I also
have a secondary podcast called Shadows of Curiosity where I
strictly look at fringe topics and stories documented incidents of
UFO contact and other things. If you have a story

(01:04:44):
you want to share, you could email me at Shadows
of Curiosity at ProtonMail dot com and I'm on Instagram
at Boundless Authenticity.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Awesome, Jay, and thank you so much. We'll definitely be
doing this again. So much more we can discuss and
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