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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is a clip from the After Dark Show with
Don Rogers. You can access the entire episode now on
our website at all podcast platforms.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Being that we're coming into the Halleen season, I have
a question, and I'm trying to put it delicately, what
could be offensive?

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm sucking a fall Halloween.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
So how closely related are alchemy and witchcraft?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Didn't want to put you a witch, right, because some
people might take that the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Which is a funny term, because on one hand, a
person could perceive me as a witch the same way
that the Native Americans perceived the colonizers as like sorcery
for being able to, you know, have steal bullets and
all of that. So I'm not offended by the term,

(01:04):
which I'm only offended by it when a person is
using it in a way to like defame or somehow
tie and affiliate, which it proper like which in general
with with Satanism or with the dark arts. So I

(01:25):
have to protect myself from witches literally, So this is
the irony. On one hand, I'm over here going which wound,
which is I have totally fine witches. But then at
the then on the other side, I'm like, shit, man,
these witches are targeting me. So which proper I mean?

(01:47):
It's like, be more specific. Have you ever seen that
meme where it's like, I do not think we're talking
about the same thing when you say that, it's like,
which itself is like, I don't know an ex for
some people to just be narcissists in the metaphysical and
then for others it's just like once again that the

(02:12):
higher manipulation of energy, that will look like sorcery, and
it can be seen as that that's fine, but to
those that don't understand how to manipulate, and so manipulation
and I'm not saying that in a negative way. Manipulation

(02:33):
is what which proper meaning in all directions, just like
the term which, not designating it positive, neutral or negative.
Just all of them and alchemy have in common because
they are transforming something or manipulating something, or shifting something
or directing something. So alchemy is far larger than I

(02:58):
would even be able to put in side the realm
of witchcraft. I consider alchemy to be in that realm,
and then the realm above it, and then the realm
above it, and then all the way up into the
highest realms. Alchemy truly goes. Alchemy is the core creation.

(03:18):
It is how to create through light. So whereas witchcraft
can mean many different things, it could be somebody doing
what I would consider kitchen magic. Kitchen magic is when
they have some sort of book of spells and they

(03:40):
are learning how to do things, whether that's mirror magic
or whether that's spells with candles or I don't even
know what they do because I work with frequencies. I'm
in the quantum. To me, it's a higher it's a
much more sophisticated form of witchcraft, if we could even

(04:06):
call it that. At that point, it's like a quantum
witch would rail a kitchen magic witch.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
I I agree.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
And it is a very broad subject, especially with the
two fields. And like as you were talking, I was
sitting here thinking going, you know, in actuality, like even
conscious creation could be considered a form of witchcraft because
you're worthin the energies and that's still tabbing you to
a lot of people, Like if you're I'm figuring out
a lot about intention and conscious creation and all of

(04:40):
these things, and like basically, if you're doing what I
am currently doing and trying to assist in bringing in
a higher reality that could even be a type of
witchcraft just by you know, trying to adjust the emotional
frequency of others. Oh, you've put a spell on me,
You've made me happier than I want to be, or
some damn thing.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Right, But there's a there's a catch to it, like
it could call almost anything witchcraft.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah, and I don't want to be too nebulous about it.
There is like a category that one could say is
genuinely defined as witchcraft. But then when we take this
concept and we just apply it larger, many things that
don't technically and concisely fall into that category can still

(05:28):
be perceived as that simply because now a person is
aware of what it is and then can start making
their own creative connections to things that are doing that
by other names witchcraft itself, just because I feel like
that was too nebulous, so I want to be a
little bit more concise witchcraft itself. I would not call

(05:52):
alchemy at all. I see the resemblance because in alchemy
there's you know, laboratory kind, there's this kind, and so
they have an overlap in a way that I would

(06:13):
have never known as I had met specific I guess
you could call them dark magicians where I saw that
oh alchemy, yeah, you know, oh, and then it was
being used in a way where, whether unintentionally or intentionally,
there was such shadow, such schizophrenia. Okay, So for me

(06:39):
to make sense of what I just said and to
even continue, you go into everything, You go into everything.
You cannot help it. A person channeling, they think they're
a clear channel. You can be as you can be
a clear channel. But as long as you know that,
if you truly are a clear channel, that does not

(07:00):
mean that you don't have any form of essence imbued
inside that channeling. And so in alchemy, everything goes into it.
So when alchemists would make or when alchemists make elixirs,
they're not just making them because they think that they

(07:25):
they're doing something very witchy. They're doing something like i'd say,
more sophisticated than witches, but or i would say simimilar
to witches. But they're looking at the constellations and they're
making things that they won't make things out of a season.
The energies aren't correct if it's out of a season.
So when they're doing earth alchemy or even you know,

(07:48):
sky alchemy, but whatever. When they're doing they're traditional let's
say al chemical remedies, they're doing them based off of
all these different facts, but beyond that, they go into it.
So if the thing works, it's because they work. And

(08:13):
so perhaps the greatest thing that perhaps the greatest overlap
between witchcraft and alchemy is that you will know there,
You will know the artistry or the effects of their

(08:33):
works by them. They're the thing animating it.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
That makes sense. So even in that it's the intention
of the person doing it that's going to be what
it comes out as.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, like I say this actually in my upcoming
season two. Magic doesn't work really, I mean it can
through force and force and force, you know, like if
you get enough graveyard, or if you do enough, if
you do enough things of a lower vibration, you'll get something,

(09:12):
but it will be a Frankenstein that turns on you.
Magic doesn't work if you're not doing the work. Magic
doesn't just like obey somebody if they're a petulant, little
wounded or like sociopath child inside, but they know how
to encount because it says so in this kitchen book.

(09:34):
So it really just depends also on a person's frequency.
I'll give you an example. Me and Stephen were talking
last time about the Anointed Ones, or if we weren't,
then we were off camera at least.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, I think it was on camera.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Okay. Yeah, and I'm doing an upcoming episode on that too,
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