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We've been discussing this document so often recently with various
people that I had no choice revisited and we just
we covered this document. God, it had to have been
well over a year ago, possibly up to two years,

(00:23):
I don't remember, but we did cover this document way
back if you scroll back through the episodes of which
I've produced almost three hundred episodes in just about two years,
which I think is a pretty fucking killer accomplishment. But
we alreadycovered this, But we covered it a while back,
and I feel the urge to cover it again because

(00:44):
Kerry Thornley very important guy shot JD. Tippett, you know,
and so keep him in the in people's minds is
extremely important. And as I work my way through volume
two of Lee, Harvey Oswald and Black and White, Carrie,
Thornley is going to have a good fifteen to twenty

(01:05):
page section in it. Because he lied about his everything.
He lied about his marine career. He said he didn't
go in until September fifty eight and that he was
just in the reserves prior to that. But that's not true.
Going back to like June of fifty six, he was
in basic training, combat training, he did Triple A training,
which I'm discussing with Diana Thomas right now because I

(01:25):
am onunder the impression in Triple A training is amphibious assault,
because I have a slove evidence that he did amphibious
assault when he was in the Marines. He did a
deployment at Formosa, which is Taiwan, where he did amphibious
assault landings on the beach. And so, but Triple A
training seems to be something else. And so I'm gonna

(01:46):
get with Diana and we're going to get to the
bottom of that. And but other than that, he was
supposed to be in retraining in the latter half of
nineteen fifty seven. But when you look into when I
looked into retraining, I found nothing. And instilling through the
Internet on various things about Biloxi, Mississippi and the Keither
Air Force Space, I happen to stumble upon slam dunk evidence.

(02:12):
I would say just shy of proof because I don't
I'm not a proof guy. Really, the most you could
ever have as far as proof goes, is like ninety
nine point nine percent. Right. So even if someone pulls
a gun out and shoots somebody right in front of
you and you got it on videotape, I'd say that's
pretty goddamn strong evidence. Ninety nine point nine nine nine
nine nine, right. So that began the case. I have

(02:33):
clearly Kerry Thornley in Biloxi at Keiser Air Force Space
in the fall of nineteen fifty seven through December fifty seven,
when he's not supposed to be there. He's supposed to
be in what's called retraining, but actually he's not even
supposed to be an active training until September fifty eight, right,
So we fucking lied about everything. And so I feel
like it's absolutely essential to go through the Carrie Thornley

(02:55):
confession letter because that's ultimately what it is. It's not
an it's an affidavit to Jim Garrison that was written.
I thought it was much later in the seventies, but
I guess it was written in like sixty seven or
sixty eight, or I couldn't find an actual date on it.
Maybe one will be stuck in here somewhere, or we'll
be able to deduce when it was actually done. But
it was important to go over this because well, Kerrie

(03:20):
Thornley is he's just such an important person in the
story and everyone ignores him, and so let's go over
this document one more time. This is, in my opinion,
this is Kerry Thornley's confession letter to Jim Garrison. My
name is carry Wendall Thornley. I presently reside in Atlanta, Georgia.
My mailing addresses Box eight twenty seven, Atlanta, three h

(03:40):
three Oho one. I'm employed as a part time student
assistant at Georgia State University. In the spring of nineteen
fifty nine, while stationed in Marine Air Control Squadron nine
at an appost of El Toro Marine Bas Santa Anna, California,
I became acquainted with another young marine in the same outfit,
named Lee Harvey Oswald. My Warrant Commission testimony related to

(04:00):
this period can be found in volume eleven of the
twenty six volumes which supplement the warrant Report. In October
of nineteen fifty nine, while serving Green Air Control Squadron
Number one at Sugi Naval Air Station at Sugi, Japan,
I read in the newspaper that my former acquaintance, Lie
Oswald had walked into the American Embassy in Moscow, turned
in his passport, and announced his intention of taking up

(04:22):
residence in the Soviet Union. I thereupon decided to write
a novel about a young marine who becomes disillusioned with
the United States as a result of his overseas tour
of duty in the Marine Corps, and in the end
defects to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The title
I chose for the first novel attempt with The Idle Warriors.
So The Idle Warriors his story on. It's kind of

(04:42):
weird because I got a newspaper article from like Jesus
Christ one with nineteen sixty where it's talking about Kerry
Thorny just got out of the Marines and he's promoting
his new book, The Idle Warriors, And it was like,
right when he got out of the fucking Marines immediately,
So he wrote that thing up pretty quickly. Oh yeah,

(05:04):
we'll get into the idol. We might just read The
Idle Warriors on this fucking some point. Fuck him and
whoever owns a copyright? All right, where did I leave off?
During the brief period of time I had known Oswald,
he seemed genuinely disillusioned with the United States and claimed
to believe that the Russians had a better system. He'd
just been overseas in Marine Air Control squad on, and

(05:27):
that was overseas and serving in the same outfit in
which he had served previous to meeting me. I was
also becoming disillusioned with the United States and coming more
and more to feel that I could understand his apparent
affection to the Soviet Union. As Oswald had been, I
became an outspoken critic of a foreign policy and of
the Marine Corps in particular, As Ozald had done. I
began to disobey orders and ridicule my military superiors, and

(05:50):
as had Oswald, I began espousing Marxist doctrines. Moreover, I
boasted that I was writing a plan's ugly American which
would blow the lid off the situation resulting from peacetime
stationing of troops in the Far East. So you can't
tell already desletely full of shit by my suspicions, he was.
He was recruited by the CIA from the Voice of

(06:11):
Democracy contests that he won in high school. Again, I'll
say it anytime. Is anything that has to do with
like freedom or democracy or whatever. It's CIA. No one
else feels the need to use those fucking words. Looking back,
I feel that both Oswald and I must have been
put under surveillance by the Office of Naval Intelligence during
our periods of active duty in the Marine Corps. See,

(06:32):
that's a confession. That is a confession. That is not
why would he have that suspicion? It's it's complete nonsense.
This is a confession. This is a he's talking to
garrison around him. Okay, do you understand what I'm saying.
He's going to say things like this all throughout this
when he says, oh, I have a high suspicion that
Naval Intelligence was keeping an eye on Well, of course
they were, because they were both fucking naval and intelligence, right,

(06:55):
Or maybe Kerry Thorntling was CIA working with Naval Intelligence,
or maybe Naval Intelligence and see I have a relationship.
At this point, none of us understand which is likely
the case. The Cold War was raging. Uh, he was
widely rited a communist A year or so before the
U two incident. I began to acquire a similar reputation

(07:16):
with the brass in May six one from about the
time of the U two incident May sixty. I believe
until my discharge in October of sixty seems odd to
me that the Office of Naval Intelligence could find no
references to Oswalden in files in nineteen sixty three, nor
any to me in nineteen seventy five, when I recently
made a freedom of information in Crey. So this is
in nineteen seventy five or later. I think it possible

(07:39):
that someone in the Naval Intelligence bureaucracy may have seen
to it such files if he ever existed. Well see,
you got to understand how to interpret his tone here.
When he says things like this, like if they ever existed,
he's telling them that they existed, were misplaced, or stolen
or simply destroyed. I continued to work on the Idle
Warriors after I got out of the Marine Corps. I
also continued a close relationship with one other from or

(08:02):
m ACS nine m ACS one. This man struck up
a friendship with me at a time I knew oswald
He's probably talking about Bud Simco. He and I were
then signed Oversea two together in MACS one, where our
friendship continued in Marine Air Control squadron one of that
sug This individual had the highest security job of any
enlisted man in the outfit. If I had some kind

(08:22):
of intelligence babysitter when I was in the service, it
was almost certainly this man. His name is Bud Simcoe
and his immediate supervisor was Lieutenant Ballantine. Both of these
names accurate and correct. I've verified them. I don't have
much information on Lieutenant Valentine other than his name in
a list of people who knew Oswald. And Lieutenant Ballentine

(08:47):
is the guy who pulled Buddy Simcoe into his job,
and I covered that. If you go back back and
look for my Bud sympos of Buddy history, you'll you'll
find them talk us all about that together, whether they
maintained the top secret security and classified files for the squadron.
I wish to stress that I do not at all
believe mister Simcoe was involved in any illegal activity or

(09:10):
any activities relating directly to John kennedy assassination approach by
a legally constituted authority. I think mister Simcoe would say
truthfully whether or not he was ever assigned to submit
reports on me. We spend most of our free time together.
The latest phone number I have for Bud is apparently misplaced,
but I obtained it by calling his old place of work,

(09:30):
Vorpal Galleries in San Francisco. If there is difficulty locating him,
I can probably get his number or address from one
of our mutual friends. The hypothesis that I was spied
on by naval intelligence is not central to my major hypothesis,
to be introduced later, but I think it is something
which can be investigated easily, and if established, would answer

(09:51):
some questions which must otherwise remain up in the air.