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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is a clip from Bloody History. You can access
the entire episode now on our website and all podcast platforms.
So let's just get into the naty gritty of this.
I will, first of all go ahead and recommends that
if you haven't listened to the previous Corey Hues appearances
(00:22):
on the show, that would not hurt your understanding of
what we're about to start talking about, because we do
give you sort of like a big picture explanation of
but basically this tome Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and
White Volume one and the other two.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I assume sort of the central.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Axis under which everything sort of spins is the idea
of the multiple Oswald theory, which I when it's funny
the way you fur couch this in the in a
warning from History. You couch it in such a perfect
way because you just expressed that you had walked into
(01:03):
it with skepticism. I admit I did as well, because
you know, multiple Oswald theory on its face, especially given
all the like lore around the JFK assassination and how
much attention is stupid shit like the trajectory of the
bullets and stuff. It's just like it doesn't it presents
an option that is, like previously not really considered in
(01:25):
the average normy mind. Even myself being a fairly extensive
parapolitical reader, it was still a little bit out there
for me. But then throughout the course of the book
you presented a really good case. And then with this
book it really seals it, because like, this is just
nothing but facts, folks, nothing but documents, and of course
(01:48):
Core strings the narrative together in between. But the it's
all it's unrefutable, clear as crystal. They stole physy lifting
drinks and uh you lose, sir.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Good day to day.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, no, it's it's a remarkable the uh, the the
uh trail of evidence that you've amounted and and by
the way, you've broken it up in this first volume
it only deals with the early life of Lee Harvey Oswall,
which I thought was a very funny allusion as well.
By the way, yeah, so what so, I assume it
(02:32):
was when you were researching the the a warning from
history book that you just got into the John Armstrong material.
But I'm assuming that this sort of like this book
really cut you dedicated it to him at the beginning
of the book. Is the this is like really, Uh,
the wealth of this is a sort of plumbed by
(02:55):
John Armstrong.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
What got you into that like sort.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Of paradigm because there's just too much contradiction for him
to not have been correct about some things, and so
I needed to know exactly what the hell was going
on and his book. Here's the thing, here's the problem
with Armstrong. You have to differentiate his data that he
amassed from the conclusions that he drew. Because the data
(03:20):
he amassed is the most priceless data in all of
Kennedy research period. His one hundred thousand page document collection
at Baylor University is like it's stunning and the best travel. No,
it's online, it's all digitally available, and so he's got
like handwritten notes in there, and so he's got interviews
(03:44):
with people, and then he got like handwritten notes on
his thoughts on the interviews. You know, he's got that's
the level of depth. And he went as far as
like when he figured out an address for the Harvey Oswald,
he would pull the entire background in genealogy on every
single person on that block. You know what I mean
to see if nobody else did that, no one else
has done that. Most of the Kennedy researchers out there
(04:04):
are frauds, and so he's.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Like an early life pioneer. Really, he's the.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Guy who basically figured out that there were two Oswald's.
There have been speculation, but no one had really put
the pieces together. The problem with Armstrong is that he
didn't know and enough was enough, and his research he
continued the Harvey and Lee thing all the way through
the assassination. He completely ORed the involvement of William Seymour
(04:31):
and Kerry Thornley in the impersonations of Oswald, and so
he tried, he always tried to fit a scarpagan a
round hole.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No matter what.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
From what I can tell at the moment, there's no
involvement from the really Harvey Oswald post September eleventh, nineteen
fifty nine in a state I know. He disappears off
the face of the earth unless he has some involvement
in the Soviet Union, which I never you would believe
and I never thought, and I even said in the book,
I believe that the his inclusions in when he gets
(05:01):
out of the Marines and then Harvey goes to the
Soviet Union and that's it for late. We don't see
him again, although I unfortunately have come across the information
that indicates he might have actually been involved in some
of the Soviet Union stuff, which to me is I
can't even quantify it at this point, so I'm just yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
A research obviously. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So just to remind everyone, and from the last time
we talked with you, the a major component, maybe not
the entirety of it, but a major component is this
idea that Harvey Lee Oswald perhaps was a member or
not a member, but a was involved in Operation ab Balcony.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think it's the name of it, a balcony, right, yeah, sorry, Yeah, here's.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The thing with a balcony. Eighty Balcony was a plot
to get spies into the Soviet Union that ran from
basically the exact date to Oswald was in the Soviet
Union fifty nine to six, or it was like the
exact same time period. So logically speaking, if Oswald was
not part of that program, the people running that program
(06:09):
essentially had to know of him, right, Yes, so at
a minimum, the eight Balcony program was aware of him.
There are some things that I've updated my perspective on,
like the idea with a balcony was that they were
using naturalized American citizens who spoke fluent Russian. That would
fit perfectly if the other Oswald came from an Eastern
(06:31):
blockery spoke Russian. Right. You know all the theories on that,
so and I thought for a long time that theory
could hold true. I don't know if I believe that.
I mean, I bring the possibility of that down to
like ten percent at this point. I mean, it's still
a possibility, but very slim because of things indications that
were indications in the record that pretty much show me
(06:55):
that there where they were dealing with two of them
going back as far as nineteen forty one, when old
with two right, So, the idea that this person would
be plucked from a concentration camp and speak fluent Russian
at the age of two doesn't make any sense to
me because the first indication of the split between the
two of them is in forty one. And where do
we find this indication? This is the best part on
(07:16):
the application for Oswald to the Marines. When he fills
out his brief biographical data, he puts that he lived
in Fort Worth from nineteen forty one all the way
to nineteen fifty two. That is blatantly incorrect.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
This is verified false by real American patriots.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Right. So Oswald was born October eighteen thirty nine, and
he lived in New Orleans continuously until April of nineteen
forty four when they move into the Victory Suet Press. No,
they move into Victor Street and yes, okay, so we
have that discreptant. That's the first discrepancy, and it's on
(07:55):
the marine application. Also on that marine application have the
name HERT V. Lee Oswald and then rewritten.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah right, it was.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It was a raised and then type over Harvey Lee
Harvey Oswald. So that's that's some extremely unusual stuff there, right.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Especially because it was supposed to be him that filled
it out.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Right, Yes, So okay, are you going to screw up.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Your own name?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I got don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So that's an odd bit of selective. Uh what's a
word when you mix things up?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Dyslexia?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Right, So there is the one thing that really has
brought me to what I believe the logical conclusion is,
and is that these these two are brothers, and that
that leaves two possibilities. And the reason I believe that
is because Harvey Oswald, who identified himself as Harvey Oswald,
to Milton Currion in New York when he's seeing him
(08:50):
allegedly at the youth house. But there's a whole Yeah,
that's all. That whole era is messed up. Like you
read the book, that's all. The whole thing is jacked up.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I wanted to have a bunch of questions about that.
We'll go to that. Let's figure the basics out.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, So Harvey Oswald tells Milton Currion that sometimes when
they got to a new community, knowing that he would
ditch school, that his brother would go in his stead
and further increased his inability to attend school. And so,
(09:23):
what brother are you talking about? Your only brother? You
have two brothers. John Picken has already gone into the
Air Force or Coast Guard at this point, and then Robert,
who's six years older, five and a half to six
years older. And so no sixteen year old is going
to pass for like a ten year old in school. Ever,
So it's not Robert he's talking about. So what brother
(09:44):
is he talking about that would go to school in
his place?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, it's double He is the only I could think of.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, right, So that to me, leads me to the
conclusion they're brothers, and that, to me makes the most
sense
This is a clip from Bloody History. You can access
the entire episode now on our website and all podcast platforms.
So let's just get into the naty gritty of this.
I will, first of all go ahead and recommends that
if you haven't listened to the previous Corey Hues appearances
(00:22):
on the show, that would not hurt your understanding of
what we're about to start talking about, because we do
give you sort of like a big picture explanation of
but basically this tome Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and
White Volume one and the other two.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I assume sort of the central.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Axis under which everything sort of spins is the idea
of the multiple Oswald theory, which I when it's funny
the way you fur couch this in the in a
warning from History. You couch it in such a perfect
way because you just expressed that you had walked into
(01:03):
it with skepticism. I admit I did as well, because
you know, multiple Oswald theory on its face, especially given
all the like lore around the JFK assassination and how
much attention is stupid shit like the trajectory of the
bullets and stuff. It's just like it doesn't it presents
an option that is, like previously not really considered in
(01:25):
the average normy mind. Even myself being a fairly extensive
parapolitical reader, it was still a little bit out there
for me. But then throughout the course of the book
you presented a really good case. And then with this
book it really seals it, because like, this is just
nothing but facts, folks, nothing but documents, and of course
(01:48):
Core strings the narrative together in between. But the it's
all it's unrefutable, clear as crystal. They stole physy lifting
drinks and uh you lose, sir.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Good day to day.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, no, it's it's a remarkable the uh, the the
uh trail of evidence that you've amounted and and by
the way, you've broken it up in this first volume
it only deals with the early life of Lee Harvey Oswall,
which I thought was a very funny allusion as well.
By the way, yeah, so what so, I assume it
(02:32):
was when you were researching the the a warning from
history book that you just got into the John Armstrong material.
But I'm assuming that this sort of like this book
really cut you dedicated it to him at the beginning
of the book. Is the this is like really, Uh,
the wealth of this is a sort of plumbed by
(02:55):
John Armstrong.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
What got you into that like sort.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Of paradigm because there's just too much contradiction for him
to not have been correct about some things, and so
I needed to know exactly what the hell was going
on and his book. Here's the thing, here's the problem
with Armstrong. You have to differentiate his data that he
amassed from the conclusions that he drew. Because the data
(03:20):
he amassed is the most priceless data in all of
Kennedy research period. His one hundred thousand page document collection
at Baylor University is like it's stunning and the best travel. No,
it's online, it's all digitally available, and so he's got
like handwritten notes in there, and so he's got interviews
(03:44):
with people, and then he got like handwritten notes on
his thoughts on the interviews. You know, he's got that's
the level of depth. And he went as far as
like when he figured out an address for the Harvey Oswald,
he would pull the entire background in genealogy on every
single person on that block. You know what I mean
to see if nobody else did that, no one else
has done that. Most of the Kennedy researchers out there
(04:04):
are frauds, and so he's.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Like an early life pioneer. Really, he's the.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Guy who basically figured out that there were two Oswald's.
There have been speculation, but no one had really put
the pieces together. The problem with Armstrong is that he
didn't know and enough was enough, and his research he
continued the Harvey and Lee thing all the way through
the assassination. He completely ORed the involvement of William Seymour
(04:31):
and Kerry Thornley in the impersonations of Oswald, and so
he tried, he always tried to fit a scarpagan a
round hole.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No matter what.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
From what I can tell at the moment, there's no
involvement from the really Harvey Oswald post September eleventh, nineteen
fifty nine in a state I know. He disappears off
the face of the earth unless he has some involvement
in the Soviet Union, which I never you would believe
and I never thought, and I even said in the book,
I believe that the his inclusions in when he gets
(05:01):
out of the Marines and then Harvey goes to the
Soviet Union and that's it for late. We don't see
him again, although I unfortunately have come across the information
that indicates he might have actually been involved in some
of the Soviet Union stuff, which to me is I
can't even quantify it at this point, so I'm just yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
A research obviously. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So just to remind everyone, and from the last time
we talked with you, the a major component, maybe not
the entirety of it, but a major component is this
idea that Harvey Lee Oswald perhaps was a member or
not a member, but a was involved in Operation ab Balcony.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think it's the name of it, a balcony, right, yeah, sorry, Yeah, here's.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
The thing with a balcony. Eighty Balcony was a plot
to get spies into the Soviet Union that ran from
basically the exact date to Oswald was in the Soviet
Union fifty nine to six, or it was like the
exact same time period. So logically speaking, if Oswald was
not part of that program, the people running that program
(06:09):
essentially had to know of him, right, Yes, so at
a minimum, the eight Balcony program was aware of him.
There are some things that I've updated my perspective on,
like the idea with a balcony was that they were
using naturalized American citizens who spoke fluent Russian. That would
fit perfectly if the other Oswald came from an Eastern
(06:31):
blockery spoke Russian. Right. You know all the theories on that,
so and I thought for a long time that theory
could hold true. I don't know if I believe that.
I mean, I bring the possibility of that down to
like ten percent at this point. I mean, it's still
a possibility, but very slim because of things indications that
were indications in the record that pretty much show me
(06:55):
that there where they were dealing with two of them
going back as far as nineteen forty one, when old
with two right, So, the idea that this person would
be plucked from a concentration camp and speak fluent Russian
at the age of two doesn't make any sense to
me because the first indication of the split between the
two of them is in forty one. And where do
we find this indication? This is the best part on
(07:16):
the application for Oswald to the Marines. When he fills
out his brief biographical data, he puts that he lived
in Fort Worth from nineteen forty one all the way
to nineteen fifty two. That is blatantly incorrect.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
This is verified false by real American patriots.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Right. So Oswald was born October eighteen thirty nine, and
he lived in New Orleans continuously until April of nineteen
forty four when they move into the Victory Suet Press. No,
they move into Victor Street and yes, okay, so we
have that discreptant. That's the first discrepancy, and it's on
(07:55):
the marine application. Also on that marine application have the
name HERT V. Lee Oswald and then rewritten.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah right, it was.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It was a raised and then type over Harvey Lee
Harvey Oswald. So that's that's some extremely unusual stuff there, right.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Especially because it was supposed to be him that filled
it out.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Right, Yes, So okay, are you going to screw up.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Your own name?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I got don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So that's an odd bit of selective. Uh what's a
word when you mix things up?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Dyslexia?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Right, So there is the one thing that really has
brought me to what I believe the logical conclusion is,
and is that these these two are brothers, and that
that leaves two possibilities. And the reason I believe that
is because Harvey Oswald, who identified himself as Harvey Oswald,
to Milton Currion in New York when he's seeing him
(08:50):
allegedly at the youth house. But there's a whole Yeah,
that's all. That whole era is messed up. Like you
read the book, that's all. The whole thing is jacked up.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I wanted to have a bunch of questions about that.
We'll go to that. Let's figure the basics out.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, So Harvey Oswald tells Milton Currion that sometimes when
they got to a new community, knowing that he would
ditch school, that his brother would go in his stead
and further increased his inability to attend school. And so,
(09:23):
what brother are you talking about? Your only brother? You
have two brothers. John Picken has already gone into the
Air Force or Coast Guard at this point, and then Robert,
who's six years older, five and a half to six
years older. And so no sixteen year old is going
to pass for like a ten year old in school. Ever,
So it's not Robert he's talking about. So what brother
(09:44):
is he talking about that would go to school in
his place?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, it's double He is the only I could think of.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, right, So that to me, leads me to the
conclusion they're brothers, and that, to me makes the most
sense
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