Engaging the Phenomenon, Bigelow Files Revealed, Architects of Evolution | Ryan Burns - Forbidden Knowledge News

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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you have a great Halloween.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder
and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird
that people are going to have to talk about how
weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what
the hell is going on. It's not enough to say
it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts.

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The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings,
book contact with extraterrest trials, the systems which are in
place to keep the world, SAYE are in utterly inadequate
to the forces that have been unleashed.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host, Chris Matthew.
Today my guest is Ryan Burns. First, it's almost Halloween.
Go check out my films. Doors of Perception is on
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to be a guest, email me Forbidden Knowledge Neews at
gmail dot com. Today, I want to welcome back to
the show, Ryan Burns. He began researching the Uenta Basin
and the mysterious skin walkers in the area many years ago.
He now owns property overlooking Skinwalker Ranch. He hosts the
popular podcast Hero Paranormal and has written about his experiences

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investigating shape shifters, UFOs, and precognitive intelligences. Ryan, welcome back.
How you doing done great?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Great to be here with you again.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Chris, it's great to have you.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Really looking forward to today. It is the official FKN
Halloween episode, and we're going to be sharing some of
the super high strangeness and otherworldly happenings around your neck
of the woods, the uents All Base and also world
famous skin walker and Uber high Strangeness area. You informed

(02:34):
me before we got on here that you've got some
very interesting files to look through the big a lo files.
Super excited about that. There's a lot to get into
here on this Halloween Eve. But before we do, for
those that may not be familiar, just remind them a
little bit about yourself and let them know how they
can find out more.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Sure, my name is Ryan, a little bit about myself.
I started to investigate the area known as the Bigelow
Ranch or the Sherman Ranch, the utah Ufo Ranch. It
has a ton of names, long before it was famous.
In fact, back when I started investigating it, there was

(03:15):
no gates. No, there was no fence there at the
beginning of entrance of it or the back.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
End of it. You could just drive right through it.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
But I was unaware that it was part of a
black budget Pentagon program at the time, and I had
an array of very strange things happened. Since then, I've
kind of that set the hook. I had some experiences
and I couldn't get unattached from the high strangeness. I

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just needed to know more, and I've been on that
weird train ever since. I have a little podcast known
as hero Paranormal dot com. You can find it on
YouTube at hero Paranormal. Also on social media Instagram, Facebook,
got to stay off of the TikTok, but yeah, that's

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a little bit about myself and actually ended up purchasing
a property that shares a fence line with that ranch
and it is known as Spacewolfresearch dot Com.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Right on, man, Well, to start out with, it's been
a little while since we last spoke, and you're always
looking at new experiments and information that's coming through. There,
Anything new besides the bigfiles that we'll get into, any
new experiments or happenings, anything profound that's happened since the

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last time we spoke.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Great question.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
And yeah, last time I saw you in person, you
were actually at the ranch out here, so that was
very epic.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
You know, the one thing we've been delving into is
believe it or not, some of the engineering that is
involved with some of these topics that people believe don't exist.
And to give you an idea, I'm talking about things
like well zero point energy, quantum physics, and you know things.

(05:12):
I had a great conversation with Ashton Forbes, and you know,
he was like, this stuff's real, man, And I said,
I know, but how do you dig into this and
go figure with with these topics, be careful what you
ask for.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
They just kind of fall in your lap.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
So yeah, we've been involved with some of the engineering
and revolutionary topics like multi wave oscillators and a variety
of other plasma generators. But yeah, we're kind of getting
into the I'm taking physics courses. You know, it's stuff

(05:49):
I would never expect and it's fascinating. It's definitely I'm
still still definitely a knuckle dragger. But you know, like
they say, even rocket science isn't rocket science.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Right on, man, Any otherworldly encounter strange creatures being spiritual encounters.
Since the last time we spoke.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yes, there's been some really weird stuff.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
In fact, this week, this is so crazy, Oh my gosh, man, Yeah, yeah,
this week we had some really crazy stuff happen, and uh,
I don't know, I don't know how to explain it.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
We had cameras that we should be the only ones
in charge of these cameras, and yet the cameras were
being manipulated or basically remotely controlled by somebody other than ourselves.
We noticed that the cameras were actually filming us turning, swiveling,

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and when I called the only other person Yeah. Really creepy, man,
really creepy.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I called the only person that was in control of
the cameras. They said, no, I don't know what you're
talking about. And as I was talking to him, the
camera kind of turned and pretended like I was looking.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
But yeah, it's just weird, just weird.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, man, I saw one picture you put up which
looked like a shadow of a cross or something that
was floating in the air in front of your station there.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Absolutely insane. Yes, that is one of the strangest ones.
We tried everything we could to debunk it. It was
literally it looked like a hovering, thin cross and it
even had a shadow on the ground. Yeah, And as
you know, because of some of the high strangeness in
the area, we've blessed, a lot of the buildings, et cetera,

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put crosses all over the place. And I don't know
if this was some sort of revolutionary exhibit of that
energy or if it just was what it was, but
it shocked us.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
We don't know what to make of it right.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
On any developing theories about the nature of what you're
experiencing out there. If it is one grand intelligence that
can present as different things. Is it just some etheric
energy that has consciousness? Is it exotic alien technology, some

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sort of spiritual demonic phenomena? What do you think all.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Of the above.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
And it's weird because you know, people make these hard
and fast stances like it's a technology, No, it's an
alien artificial intelligence. No, it's a demonic No, they're angels.
And what the best way to explain it is in
some of some of the strange engineering that takes place

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with reverse engineering, exotic propulsion systems and a variety of
different technologies, what they're finding in some of the laboratories,
and I've heard this from a whistleblower at CERN, is that,
in fact, a whistleblower who claims that there are these
entities in all sorts of places. But when you're doing

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something fascinating that can manipulate space and time, it seems
as if certain entities, whether you want to call those
demons or not. Demons is a good word because the
word demon and the word angel actually can be used
as a noun and a verb. So most people think

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it's a thing, but it's actually.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
A task.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
An angel or a demon are just messengers, and so
it can be used as a verb, and I like
the word demon, but it it's overplayed. But you got
to call them something, right. And when you have some
of these exhaus technologies that you are investigating, researching, creating

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in certain spaces, what we have found is that time
and time again, entities will come in from the corners,
especially they like corners. And it kind of is fascinating
that I'm getting a lot of other people telling me
that they're finding the same thing. An amazing example of

(10:30):
that is there was a project by a gentleman called
Joe Fermige who's now in a heap of trouble, but
at the time he was trying to create this anti gravity,
zero point energy system known as the Bouncing Box with
the help of people like how put Off, Kick Green,
Ron Pandolfi, and a number of a number of the

(10:53):
typical characters.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, and what they.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Found is sure enough the same thing. So we find
that time and time again where insiders are telling us,
whether that's at CERN or at this place they call
the lake, this lab in Utah, back when Joe Firmage
was doing this, and Brandon Fugel actually has the actual
box in his office now. But what's interesting is that

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these technologies, regardless of what they are according to whistleblowers
and people that are there, this is I'm getting this
information in many cases third person. I've seen it myself
in our own tests. But yeah, entities will kind of
try to crawl out of corners or and it reminds
me of like why the original like Orthodox churches have

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all of those rounded tops and no corners because they're
trying to keep those things from showing up.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Wow, it makes me wonder if those entities that you're
just speaking of are a greater part of a system,
because I think of reports of people who are coming
out of anesthesia or even the Dycinian goggles, where it
shows a layer of reality that we cannot normally perceive.
People waking up from anesthesia claim to see angels and

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demons for a little while until they completely come out
of that. And I'm wondering if it's a layer of
reality that's blocked off normally, but we get a glimpse
of through certain substances or states of mind or altered states,
things like that, we get a glimpse of what's beyond

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our limited perception.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
That's huge, huge, And it's it's that spectrum that we
live in, whether we want to call this a reality
or not. Humans can only see a portion of the
visible light spectrum, in fact, a narrow band of the
electromagnetic spectrum, and we only see approximately from like three

(12:54):
eighty to seven hundred nanometers, which if this was a pie,
is just a super slow.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
And thin slice.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
And so it's alleged and I believe, and through a
lot of research and investigation, it seems that there's all
sorts of living things around us, most of which are
non corporeal.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
And a whistleblower that.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Was tied to CERN was telling me that they believe
that they are in communication with through portal technology with
entities on things like three I Atlas and other things,
and that many of these entities just don't have bodies,
they don't need them.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
From what I understand talking with different experiencers researchers, the
nature of whatever this phenomenon is can present as benevolent
or malevolent. But according to some some of the lower
level entities really don't want anything to do with humanity.
They're just existing. It's some at the higher levels of

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intelligence that do have an interest, but possibly for manipulation
of some kind. And it's not for our benefit. A
lot of the communication that comes from these higher intelligences.
If you look at some of the cases close enough,
as they develop, some of these people seem to be

(14:23):
steered in certain directions. Their entire lives change, but they
spread a certain narrative, whether it's about extraterrestrials or the
nature of our reality. These beings seem to be seeding
information and for some I guess time will tell if
it's benevolent, if it benefits them in any way, But
in many cases it just leads to madness. So I'm

(14:46):
wondering what the true nature of some of these higher
intelligences really are, if they do have our best interests
in mind, or are they just trying to manipulate us
to try and bring about something else.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Such a great question, and Chris, you don't mess around.
You slice to the bone man. Yes, the best way
again back to that narrow spectrum that we can see
when we are trying to disseminate the intentions of entities

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that are not only far more advanced, but just higher
in the pay scale, if you want to call it
on a spiritual basis, whether whether they're way below us
or way above us. We are running that through a
human filter. So for example, and this is this is
kind of a bad example because as I said, I'm
trying to run this through a human filter. If you

(15:45):
run into two people on the street and one is
a multi billionaire and the other one is, you know, hungry,
dying for their next meal, and armed, which one poses
more of a threat, and arguably they pose the same threat.

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One needs nothing but will most likely manipulate you. The
other one needs everything but most likely will manipulate you.
And it's basically our perception of what transpires on whether
or not it's a good thing or a bad thing.

(16:28):
And you take, like, I mean, there's so many different examples,
but yeah, one thing they have in common is they're
not us, So that one is extremely jealous of us.
The lower entities despise us, and the higher entities view us.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
As something else as well.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
So I don't know if it but yeah, it's very
difficult for us to explain or perceive whether it's a
good thing or a bad thing. And it could seem
like a good thing in the moment, but long term
be catastrophic.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Let's get into some of the deeper possibilities surrounding the
nature of our reality. You were telling me that you
have access to some of Bigelow's files, which may give
us clues to some of this information. I know he
was deep in this and he didn't share any of
their research. Now you have your hands on it, so

(17:27):
I'd love to hear about some of the things if
you can tell.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Us, Yes, there's a lot of interesting things out there,
not only interesting inasmuch as what the public knows and believes,
but interesting in when you compare it to what actually happened,
they're very different. What I can tell you is that

(17:51):
there was a number of occult means and methods that
were used to connect with some of these entities. Strangeness, precognitive,
sentient intelligence, or whatever it is that ROMs this landscape.
It seems like it has an easier way to bounce
in and bounce out. And it also seems as if

(18:15):
there's a number of different entities, and some of them
are very much appearing as a technology. But the best
explanation I can give you is it's like going out
in the ocean on a moonlit night and it's very still,

(18:35):
and you just start smacking the water. Things some things
are going to go away that live in the ocean,
and other things are going to come in. And typically
the things that are going to come in you don't
want to be messing with.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
So is there any other information that you've got from
the files that you would be able to show about
the nature of the experience and the experiments that he
was doing that wasn't widely known.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, there's a number of experiments, and some of them
I don't know exactly how much I can discuss. What
I can tell you is these confidential files have well
I'll get into some of the more exciting stuff, yeah,
which is some of the prototypes and designs that they

(19:30):
were using for unmanned autonomous surveillance platforms and really really
cool stuff. Also there there were there were task forces
involved that kind of blew my mind. In other words,

(19:50):
it went deeper than most people think. And also some
of the investigations into the anomalies involved human physiologic effects,
which I thought was really strange, and the reports show that.
But yeah, they there's so much data. I was absolutely

(20:11):
shocked to receive, you know, so much information anything and
everything all that transpired while he was there and basically
serving as the owner of that area, and there's a
lot of private information that's protected, but very much it

(20:33):
was a part of a black budget, Pentagon funded project,
and they were very much involved with things that are
out of this world, to say the least.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well, speaking of out of this world, we have been
presented an extraterrestrial narrative for a very long time that
these beings are coming from different planets across the galaxy
to experiment on us or warn us about cataclysms or
whatever these fictional aliens do. But I think we're dealing
with something much more ancient, something that is local here

(21:10):
in this realm, in this reality, or at least has
access at any time. It seems to be able to
pull strings in this reality. It seems to take over
our perception at times. It seems to have extreme power
in this reality. I was talking to a guest I
had on He's going to be coming on again next month, Ramex.

(21:33):
Are you familiar with him. He's the host of forty
and Wins and Researcher. He has almost completely flipped his
perspective about the extraterrestrial hypothesis, that it is indeed something
more metaphysical. A lot of the high level people involved.

(21:55):
When you really start digging in it with them, they're
doing rituals, they have numerology involved. Some sort of magic
essentially is at play with some of the communication going
on at higher levels. Are you familiar with Alan Greenfield

(22:18):
secret cipher of the Euphonauts. He was using these ciphers
with certain numerical principles. He was combining it with numerology
and feeding it through a AI database, but also using
certain high level people's names. The numbers would correspond to

(22:39):
letters in the name in very profound ways, and they
would always match some esoteric number that, for example, Crowley
would be highly involved with. And he came to the
conclusion that a lot of these high level abductees and
even presidents and people that at high levels of power,

(23:02):
the information that came out of these ciphers displayed possibilities
that they could be lifetime actors, that their entire identities
could have been manufactured to match these numerical ciphers, so
that whatever we're in would work according to the program,

(23:24):
meaning that whatever this reality is is somewhat like a simulation,
you could say, and there are certain parameters that dictate
what our reality would be and it is highly associated
with numerology and people's names and astrology, and people at
high levels know this. I want to get your thoughts

(23:47):
on that because I know that you've experienced some of
this information as well.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Yeah, it's so great. This is one of the fascinating questions.
And you have to remember that we see things so simply,
so linearly. When we think of extraterrestrial we're just talking
about entities that are able to come from or leave

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this terrestrial location we're at. It's such a simplified version.
And that being said, I have to jump a few
spots on the chessboard because in reality, anything that can
do that, anything that can travel in that way, shape

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or form, that is more advanced than ourselves, is manipulating
space and time. And what we have to remember is
who we are as human beings, and we are something
that is inside of this meat suit, right, this corporeal
can container. And while that can be seen as an

(25:04):
extreme detriment and you know, literally kind of uh, kind
of nasty, at the same time, some of these non
corporeal entities, whether they're holographic or dimensional in nature, whether
they're extraterrestrial or not, see this as a big plus
because what we are is essentially craft. What I mean

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is we have a container.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
We have a craft.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Our consciousness is encased in a container, in a craft.
And kind of leading back to what we were talking
about before, some of these entities are extremely jealous of that, and.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
A lot of.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Philosophers and theologists and people much more intelligent than myself
who have studied a variety of these different entities, whether
they be Gin, angels, and whatever the case might be,
and this.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Is cross cultural.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Some of these, like the Gin, for example, is extremely
jealous of the fact that we have this temple as
a body, or this body as a temple. We it
might be for a limited period of time, but still
that's like, you know, that's like walking on the sidewalk
and seeing a guy pull up in a vehicle a car. Essentially,

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that car is something we want because it's an added
layer of protection, and it's something that can be seen
as an extreme plus. Back to the manipulating of space
and time. The extraterrestrial hypothesis, I think automatically almost always
gets thrown out, and I'll tell you why, because if

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you can manipulate space and time at all, the extraterrestrial hypothesis.
Hypothesis really has no place in the conversation because everywhere
is all of the sudden accessible, So it is who
cares where they came from, where they're going, or where
they're headed. If they're able to do this, this immediately

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goes into a hyperdimensional hypothesis, or a non corporeal hypothesis,
or a holographic hypothesis, or even more provocative, the fact
that they're not even here, but they can interject themselves
and move in and out of our timeline as they wish.

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And to understand that if you look at the human
body and you see this in many of the really
interesting I find ancient mystery schools, religions, occult orders, things
like the Knights, Templar, et cetera. You see that the
temple is a body that it has like an altar

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right here at the shoulders. A porch would be down
near the waistline. The altar of sacrifice would be the
feat and the head, of course would be the most
important where the brain is.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
That's why many of these it's kind of the holy
of holies.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Why they wear turbans in the Middle East and it's protected,
but we have craft, and it reminds me of Bob
Lazar when he was asked, what is the most top
secret thing you found when you were working at Area
fifty one at S four, and he said that the
most top secret thing he found were that these entities

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viewed us as containers.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Some of the information we're discussing right now leads many
to wonder if humans even have free will because of
the amount of manipulation, because of how much they can
control our reality, alter our perception, show us what they
want us to see, feed us profound information makes me

(28:58):
wonder if free will is even really something that we
understand as it is.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
This is a great question, and theologists have had this
argument for a long time, specifically people that are non
believers in let's say a creator God, and they argue
the fact, you know, if God is omniscient, if he
is able to perfectly completely have universal knowledge of all

(29:28):
things past, present, and future, he's doing what we're talking
about right He's able to pop in, pop out. And
the reason I'm using the God understanding is because many
people that are atheists, for example, say, well, we don't
have free will if God knows all things, the past,

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the present, the future, both actual and possible. Then we
have no free will. He already knows, But the argument
is made he just knows.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Because he is able to go.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
To the past, the future, and the present. What we
actually do is still up to us to be after
the fact, after we do it. Yeah, we can say, oh,
that's not fair, because he knows that's true. But still

(30:24):
we have the ability to choose and decide, and that's
pretty fascinating.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
In fact, it's kind of like Costanza World.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Is the argument I prefer the best, which if you've
ever seen Jerry Seinfeld George Costanza, who does everything wrong,
decides to just do the opposite of what his initial
intention is, and you know, his life goes fantastic, and
you know that's the way you have to look at it.
But yeah, it's a foundational attribute of God. But it's

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not to say that there are other There aren't other
entities or godlike demigods or eloem that can't do the same.
This is you know, it's magic. It really is magic.
The simultaneous nature of space and time all occurring once
at the same time. It's like that movie everything everywhere,

(31:17):
all at once. That's how they see it. But because
we see so little of the spectrum, we have to
literally make sense of it. And the way our minds
make sense of it is we create this illusion of time. Well,
I did this yesterday, so I'm going to do it today,
and I'm going to do it tomorrow. As an example,
when we emerge, let's say, from our caves as ancient man,

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and it was nighttime, we noticed that not as many
people came back to the cave, like things were taking
us out, and we didn't see what those things were.
So the next day we were like, you know what,
let's go out when it's light, and maybe we carry
a stick, and so we start to do these things
and they work.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
So it's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
It is is just we're habitual creatures.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
We're very low level.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Some of the phenomena throughout history seems to be an
evolutionary trigger to steer humanity in certain directions, for us
to develop in certain ways. Some consider that at some
point there may have been some sort of parasitic etheric

(32:27):
invasion into our consciousness or into this realm somehow that
acts as the same evolutionary trigger, but for something different
to bring about a different outcome for humanity. What are
your thoughts on that.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
I love this and this is this is so great
because it if energy is working the way we think
it is, which i've beyond a shadow of a doubt, proven.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
To myself that energy is not what we believe it is.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
We are essentially little batteries, you know, with the sun,
what we intake with carbohydrates, with H two O water,
we are able to function as these little batteries. And
if we are batteries, that means we have real ingredients,
real energy within us. Are conically speaking, there are entities

(33:26):
that don't have that, and that is delicious to them
and they can feed upon it, so they're very parasitic
in nature. In fact, what's strange is if you go
back to the Greeks. The Greeks man that people kind
of like don't realize how on point they were about
a lot of this stuff. You know, they they spoke

(33:46):
about Mount Olympus, and they had Zeus as the head
god and all these other gods that had certain, you know, tricks,
they could do, parlor tricks, let's say, and that typically
they were manipulating us, and they had vested interests in
how things went, and sometimes they had grudges, and they
were using humanity to just kind of engineer their grudges.

(34:09):
But in Greek, ARCon is a term for ruler, which
is super freaky from a gnostic. You know, that's like
creepy from a gnostic perspective. So I one hundred percent
believe we have parasites in the small spectrum we can
see we all have them, and so when you go

(34:34):
into the cosmic there's even more parasites and they can
both suck you of all your energy or be careful
because some can give you too much energy and that
could also be detrimental. But I think there's both malevolent
and benevolent spiritual rulers.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
One of the most concerning parts about that is it
seems that are playing on our beliefs, our theological beliefs,
and again it goes back to whatever they want us
to see them as they can appears as a form
of manipulation. For me, The question is, ultimately, where can

(35:17):
this lead humanity? If we're getting contradicting messages from these
spiritual beings that are attempting to evolve us in different directions.
Do you think the reason we're in a chaotic period
is maybe because unseen forces are trying to guide humanity
in different directions.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
These and there there's a reason these are unseen forces.
And I love that you said that, because when they
are seen, we don't know how to take them. And
there's a reason. I've seen this in real time myself
with other researchers, and I believe maybe they were lower

(36:02):
level I mean, who am I to judge, but maybe
lower level entities, but entities that can shape shift, they
can go from they can coalesce basically out of nothing
or dust into physical beings, and then they can change,
de manifest and turn into another physical being. And it's
sort of like, well, you know, what do you want

(36:23):
to see? And that's such a creepy thing, you know,
because it's like here we're begging to see something from
the unseen realm, and when we see it, if it
scares us, it almost appears as if these.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Entities are like, well, what do you expect? What do
you want?

Speaker 4 (36:38):
This is your brain that's seeing this, not me, And
we run into this, but biblically we run into it.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
In theology.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
I love the example of Ezekiel seeing angels that at
first horrified him, and same thing, they're like, well, what
the heck do you want? Tell us what you want
and we'll appear as that. And that's the fascinating thing.
These things can manifest and the word man in the
word manifest is the key keyword there, because these are

(37:08):
spiritual beings who built the physical universe. And it seems
that the more tangible they are, the more malevolent they are,
and that could be seen as a positive. In fact,
ask any Satanist and they're going to say, well, I'm
getting what I want. But then again you have to
ask yourself. These are things that can give you whatever
you want, So is that a good thing? And then

(37:29):
you see people like Job who has an absolutely horrible life,
but you know he's he's staying true to what he believes. So,
in my opinion, if these entities that have created the
material world also trap souls, how would they go about
using that lower power to trap those souls? And it's

(37:50):
very gnostic, but I think the Gnostics had a lot
going for them.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I want to shift gears a bit. Last time you
were on, we briefly discs us the possibility of manufactured
beings like chimeras that may be being put together in
some sort of lab or facility. You mentioned that there
may be a facility like that close to where you are,

(38:18):
and there have been sightings of what seemed to be
very physical, cryptid like beings, chimeras, dog men, other types
of creatures, and their speculation that maybe these are lab
created beings.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Right, yeah, this is great because it depends on what
your definition of a lab is. You know, maybe this
physical existence in this material world that we understand is
also a lab. And if you follow the Ananochy at all,
that group of deities from ancient Samaria, it's very likely

(38:56):
the earliest Sumerian writings we're talking about how you were
created beings. And even if you fast forward to Egypt,
a lot of their deities seem to be creative beings,
jackal headed gods, you know like this, I mean things
things that things that look like modern day dog man.

(39:17):
And and yes, in in Utah there are I can't
say the name of the company, but there are genetic
corporations involved in research and these these things are running
through a lot of animals. And we've talked to people
who are whistleblowers who've kind of pulled us aside and
told us some of the stories. So we know it's happening,

(39:41):
and you know, just take take a company. I'm not no,
I'm not even gonna go there.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yes, it's happening.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
It's let's talk about some of the low key rituals
that may be occurring, especially from our own military industrial complex.
I've heard different researchers discussing how at rocket launches there

(40:09):
are essentially sigils on the rockets and it is a
signal to whatever is out there, and there's much more
going on with rocket launches. There seems to be a
cult value to it that they're utilizing. I've heard a
belief from you that even high level military individuals will

(40:35):
go out there to do different types of rituals.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (40:40):
There is what I like to called.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
It's not my it's not my word, but sanctioned dark
rituals that are military and not officially.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
That's that's the.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
We're talking about the unacknowledged I mean, that's why they
call it that, the unacknowledged files. And these are these
are illicit and often dangerous practices utilizing technologies and individuals
for ceremonies that you know, would otherwise be forbidden by

(41:23):
regulations in many places, and like you said, rocket launches
are a great example. You know, here here we are
shooting off rockets with Greek and Roman gods names written
on the sides of them, and we're talking about literally
a burnt offering. We're lighting this obelisk, shooting it into

(41:45):
space to the heavens, and this is done under the
guise of science. However, depending on who you talk to,
there's different reasons for these rockets to be getting shot
up up there, and it's ultra it's an ultra rare
corner of intelligence. But you run into the same people

(42:08):
over and over again, so it's like really easy once
you start pulling the the layers of obfuscation away, you
realize that it's the same people doing the same things
in the same situations. And we're talking about people like
who I like to call nothing against Travis Taylor, but

(42:29):
I like to call the real doctor Taylor, which is
Timothy Taylor, the gentleman who was in Diana Pasoka's book
American Cosmic. Yeah that she called him Tyler Dirden because
you know from fight Club, the first about fight Club,
and he's got a great book out called Launch Fever,

(42:49):
and he is actually quite similar to Travis Taylor just
a lot more secretive and involved in a lot more things.
So both out of the same area of the United States,
both heavily dealing with NASA, and NASA is very much
a lot of people argue. There's a great book out
there called The Secret Religion of the Elites, and many

(43:10):
people argue that NASA is sort of this modern scientific
pointing in the direction of Project Bluebeam. And what I
mean is where they try to strip us away. Eventually,
according to the Canadian monost who first came up with
the idea of Project Bluebeam, that they eventually try to

(43:30):
try to through a holographic or a grand scheme, an
amazing deception, the powers that be technically a new World
order or a one world government will eventually realize that, hey,
these Abrahamic religions are no longer working for us. These
people are entrenched in their beliefs and they're not going
to give up some of their freedoms.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
They rather die and.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
This is too difficult to.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Manage this herd.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
So because of those cosmic entities that are basically the
puppet masters and in control of these individuals at the
heads of power, they are going to utilize a specific
plan of attack, which would be this holographic or blue
beam representation of a new higher power nasatology, and this nasatology,

(44:23):
in other words, this new higher power is going to basically.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Prove itself to us visually. Oh hey, we're seeing what
it's doing.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
That's good enough for us. It's better than these Abrahamic
religions that just claim to be there, and so we
will hope that they hope we will hopefully let go
of our old religions and enter into this new reality
where we take their new gods, even though they're not real,

(44:54):
and make this a family thing and and follow their
direction and will be easier to control.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
We can see this progression for a very long time
that they are trying to alter our spiritual systems of
belief and most likely combine it with technology in some way,
which we're already seeing. I want to get your thoughts

(45:21):
on the nature of paranormal phenomena. It seems that we
are constantly redefining it, especially with the research done it
places like Skinwalker Ranch. There are so many crossovers and
occurrences that could be seen as hauntings or it could

(45:44):
be seen as extraterrestrial activity. When you look at say
a haunted house, for example, poltergeist activity, disembodied voices, people
used to say, oh, that's the spirit of Grandma or
someone who used to live in this house.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Else.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Well, now I question that with all this new information,
could it just be this grand intelligence that has access
to that and present as that. What do you think?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
So great?

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Oh man, this is huge, This is so deep. Okay,
I believe Well, okay, let's let's get into what I
what I know, and that is there's a group of deities.
And I think you and I agree with the fact
that there is a group of deities who seem to
have the ability to manipulate space and time. And we

(46:37):
technically as human beings sort of live in a haunted house.
We have memory that we retain and we can't get
rid of. I live in a haunted house, you know,
my my consciousness is a haunted house. And so yeah,
there seems to be this residual nature about our reality

(46:58):
where and that the area that you're talking about in
the U, in a basin of Utah, in and around
space wolf research is the same where you will see
things like like dire wolves, like dino beavers. You'll see
creatures that essentially should not exist or used to exist.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
In the area.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
And I'm just going to pull out a tooth. This
is a dire wolf tooth as an example why. And
they will sometimes leave physical apports, is what they.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yes, I wanted to get into that, but continue.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Yeah, like we'll have things like like just appear. Like
a great example, I had a fish literally fall out
of the sky mirth day, and you know, and it's
right there.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
I've got a picture of it.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
There's and and and we will the same thing with
other body parts of animals. And so is the creature
actually there or are we just getting these little breadcrumbs
from the the demigods or the precognitive sentient intelligence or
this group of deities. What strange is this is not unique.
If you look historically, there's many examples of this happening

(48:11):
in many places. And if you go back to the
origins of humanity, and I always go back to as
far as we can go, Thank goodness, the Sumerians wrote
everything in Rock, so it's there They spoke of these
specific powerful gods and you know how you could draw

(48:32):
their favor or be cursed by them. And in this
pantheon of different demigods and non human intelligences, which is
the new catchphrase. But you A really good example is
there was a prisoner who was a serial killer, by
the way, and he got caught. He was worshiping a god,

(48:56):
a deity, a familiar known as Pazuzu, which went all
the way back to ancient Mesopotamia the time of the
the Sumerians. This is a Sumerian god known as Pezusu.
And this guy actually changed his name to Pezusu. And
he was in prison and he would always offer him something,
whether it was a bag of chips, some cigarettes, a
pack of gum. But one night it was like that

(49:19):
time of the moonth the moon cycle. He had to
give the god something and he had nothing, and he
begged the prison guards give me anything. Man, I don't
care what it is. This thing is gonna have me
for dinner or lunch if you don't give me something.
And they thought he was crazy, obviously, and but sure

(49:40):
enough they found him dead the next morning with catastrophic
wounds like it appeared to be like claws and teeth. Whoa,
and and this this deity apparently consumed him. And when
you look at the deities of Mesopotamian pantheons, even the Anunaki.

(50:01):
When you look at the word annw it means princely offspring,
those of royal blood. I mean we're talking nephelon, We're
talking demons.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
All right, you mentioned apports. Let's close on this.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I had Nathaniel Gillison recently. He was discussing this a
little bit, as it relates to the possession phenomena, how
apports would come out of people's bodies, objects that they
didn't ingest. He also cited this one haunting case where
the owners of the house had a set of teacups

(50:36):
all came from the same set. They lost a cup,
but it showed up magically one day, and it kept
disappearing and reappearing. It was an anomalous phenomena, so they
decided to bring that cup to the lab because they
were already having their house investigated by paranormal investigators. They
brought it to a lab and it turned out the
object had different isotopes from every other piece in that set.

(51:00):
So what that essentially says is this phenomenon is creating
objects out of nothing and manifesting them, but they're physical.
You can't tell the difference. So how far does this
go to? What extent can they manifest objects into our reality?
That is crazy? And you look at the gifting fields

(51:22):
where these high level intelligence people go to just pick
up the gifts that the gods are dropping for them,
and they look like everyday objects or pieces of nature,
but they're different somehow. That's absolutely nuts, man.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
It is it.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
When you realize that this whole creation is absolutely nuts.
Anybody that watches you know, that cheesy series The Secret
realizes like, is that's literally what they did was open
source a nuclear way in with that series. And you know,

(52:02):
just if you want it, just there it is, and
as hopey and cheesy as it is, you.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
Know it's something. There's something to it.

Speaker 5 (52:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
And if if these entities.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
And these precognitive sentient intelligence or non human intelligences are
literally in part which I believe they are, I believe
the eloam, they have a variety of names, and and
if they are it truly the creators of this material world,
then a material object that arrives suddenly and mysteriously through

(52:40):
unobserved powers is not that far fetched. And I love
the example of King Solomon when he got his uh
fancy ring from an angel and he could all of
a sudden call down these these non human intelligences and
have them build.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Things like his temple.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
This is absolutely fascinating and I'm sure if you and
I were alive back then witnessing this, we would say
this is witchcraft, this is this is Whatever we're watching
is either highly technological or something else. And we're still
at the same impasse these days, with things like AI

(53:21):
and exotic propulsion systems and zero point energy and quantum physics,
and you know, going after they build this, we're expected
to believe they spend hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars,
if not billions at this point. I think it's hundreds anyway,
cern we're expected to believe, Hey, don't mind what we're
doing here, but we're just after this one particle. We

(53:43):
just need to get this one particle. Yeah, and you
know there's something going on.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Oh yeah, man, Well this was awesome.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
Man.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Before I let you go, you got any plans for Halloween?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (53:57):
I plan on just watching the kids dress up, having fun.
I think I might be a banana or something small,
but having a good.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Time with it.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Because historically Halloween was a spooky time. And we have
to remember that people used to go when the kids
would say trick or treat and you give them the
candy and everybody has a good laugh. Now, you used
to get unexpected visitors at your door and they would
say trick or treat and what that mean? What that
meant at the time was give me something or I'm
about to show you something absolutely horrifying. Yeah, and so

(54:30):
we live in good times.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Well, this was great. We will definitely be doing it again.
Before I let you go, remind the audience how they
can find out more about you.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Thanks so much, Chris, You're a blessing to the community. Yeah,
you can find me at hero Paranormal dot com or
our little science project Spacewolfresearch dot com. And uh yeah,
keep following Forbidden Knowledge News. It's one of the most organic,
raw and real podcasts out there.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Right on, man, I love it. We'll be doing this
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Speaker 4 (58:25):
There's layers upon layers upon layers. Does add such an
element of mystery to this place?

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Why are we here? We're getting closer to the truth now.
Too many people experiencing profound interactions with conscious entities.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
I'm focused on the non human intelligence contact phenomenon in dreams.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Dreams involve interactions with real entities.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
People are waking up, paralyzed their sensing, or seeing something
very evil in the room. I have experienced sleep paralysis,
shadow people start to appear.

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I was taken from my earliest memories by non human
alien entities. More and more people are wanting to talk
about these things.

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A upologist would say, well, that's obviously an extraterrestrial in
our paranormal research would.

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Say, we'll have the ghost.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Well what if it's all of those things and none
of those things, the entities, the intelligence that were just
beyond our understanding.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
There seems to be something a little extra that can
take forms of anything. I can't believe what I've seen,
but it continues on a daily basis. We're definitely not alone. UFOs,
UAPs portals opening up.

Speaker 7 (59:44):
I really ought this supernatural stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
You kind of grow up with that.

Speaker 7 (59:48):
Around here, you see a lot of strange things. I
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I had an experience with a skinwalker entity.

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People they would say they were transform into bears, into wolves.
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Our beliefs, our emotions, and our fears all seem to
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There's so much more out there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
We really are picking up such a small, small percentage
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Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
The world is an amazing place.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
It feels like we're God's in training.

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