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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Today, I want to welcome back to the show Howdie mccowsky.
He is a renegade historian, author, and deeply spiritual questioner
of reality. How do you welcome back? How you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I am actually doing fine. A little bit of the
Lovely Allergy season, but beyond that, Yeah, staying insane in
an insane world. How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, I'm doing great, and that's a feat in itself.
And thank you so much for coming back on. I've
been looking forward to this. Last time we had an
amazing discussion, and today we will have another. We're going
to be discussing some of the mysteries surrounding the world's fairs,
the strange time frame they're associated with, and the possibility

(00:50):
that they could have been remnants of a civilization that
was coexisting with ancient Rome and Greece, and lots to
get into today. But before we do, remind the audience
about yourself and what brought you to this particular research.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, quick story. I'd had sort of a semi normal
life but not exactly normal, made it through some trauma
in the midst of a depression, wound up moving into
the study of ancient Egypt. So I studied ancient Egypt
in the ancient world for about eight to ten years,
had a near death experience in two thousand and five,

(01:30):
had a major shift of things. From that experience changed
how I viewed just about everything, and didn't it brought in?
It brought in a lot of clarity and a lot
of confusion. And as the confusion period ended after about
ten years, I was in Florence studying cathedrals actually and

(01:51):
how the cathedrals were machine energy machines and nothing to
do with religion. And in the course of that, when
I got back from Florence was like, yeah, February twenty nineteen,
I bumped into the Chicago World's Fair just in the
course of looking at buildings and architecture, and I couldn't

(02:12):
believe what I was looking at. The How have I
never heard about this? Was the first thing. How have
I never heard about this? This exposis And then found
out there were hundreds of them all over the world
just like this, right, seven to seven hundred, one thousand
acres of buildings supposedly put up in record times, have
an exposition and then bring in dynamite and blow them up.
Everything about the story right away indicated to me this

(02:36):
need that this is a book that needs to be written,
and so yeah, like March to twenty nineteen, I started.
I got it out before at Christmas twenty nineteen. And
when I look back now at that work, because I
talked a lot about resets in that book, I talked
a lot about that these fairs were like because at
that time, the alternative history community was using this term

(02:58):
reset as sort of like an wiping out of civilization
and a restarting of it. And within four or five months,
as we got into our insanity, the word reset became
everywhere in our television and I'm like, I think I
jumped the gun with what's going on. So now I
think the book has even more importance as to where
we are currently.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Now you said that there were
hundreds of these world fairs across the planet going on
around the same time period, roughly.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah. The book itself focuses on the World's fairs from
eighteen fifty one, which is supposed to be the first
one at the Crystal Palace in London, and it ends
in nineteen fifteen with the last one that was going
on during World War One in San Francisco. World fairs
continued after the First World War. I mean they had one,
like a weird one a couple of years ago in Dubai,

(03:50):
So they've gone on since. But this period up to
nineteen fifteen was very specific in the way the buildings look,
the way the fares were structured, the type of things
that they showed. So it's like after that one nineteen
fifteen they changed completely. But in that say, seventy year
time period, there were, yeah, there would be two or
three hundred equivalent of what could be called world expositions

(04:10):
everywhere from South America to the Philippines, to Cambodia to
all through Europe, the United States, just everywhere in the world.
And in each case they looked the same, they presented
the same thing, and then they were all basically blown up.
So it's just it's the weirdest thing when you start
trying to understand why were they what were they doing,

(04:33):
and why were they doing this? And that's the research
got really wild because most people I didn't realize this.
I never I got a degree in history, right, I
went through actually went through a University of the history degree,
even took American history in the late eighteen hundred. So
I took a history third year history course in the

(04:53):
specific time period. These fairs were never mentioned, right, I've
never heard of them before. And when I actually started
researching it, I found out that each one of the fairs,
so for example, there was in just in the United States,
you had won in Philadelphia in seventy six. You had
one in Nashville, you had won in Omaha, you won
in Portland, you had one in Chicago, you had one

(05:14):
in Saint Louis, you had one in Seattle. Each one
would have a historian of the day write a book
about the fair. Now they're not just a book. These
books are five to eight thousand pages long. They're just
massive tones not just of trying to explain the history
of the city, the history of the world, the history

(05:35):
of this fair, but everything that was I mean literally
every single thing, every exhibit, every piece of artwork, every restaurant,
It's all listed in these So I had these once
I realized I have this massive amount of information that
you could also dig into. And I hope, I hope

(05:57):
that the book that came out is getting a little
what was what's actually at these fairs, How crazy they were,
how insane, they were, and the realization that if anybody's
really interested, you've got tens of thousands of pages of
research still just sitting on the internet that you can
go dig through yourself if you really want to go further.
Because it's like, I could have studied this for fifteen
years and still keep going.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Now, what particular faress did you focus on, if any,
and what were some of the similarities and features that
these particular fairs had.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I took sort of about four or five major ones,
and I took one from the United States for the book,
mostly because then the story of you know, if there's
a bunch of big buildings in Milan in eighteen forty,
someone could say, well, you know, Milan has a long history.

(06:55):
You know, they've built these cathedrals in one thousand AD,
so it makes sense there's big, big buildings there. But
like Omaha, Nebraska in eighteen ninety eight, is not supposed
to have giant towers and domes and structures that those
things are not supposed to be there. So the story
makes it made it more made it more clear to
dig into of there's supposed to be nothing in this location.

(07:18):
They decide to have this fair in six months to
a year they designed and build all this stuff. And
so that's why I chose.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It was the mainstream narrative behind the Worldfairs, the reason
they were put forward, and who was behind it? Was
it the government? Was it some sort of aristocratic groups?
Who was behind this? And what was the mainstream reason
for it?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, the mainstream reason, you would say, was a you
might call it like a combination of an Olympics of
showing off. That's a really good way of sort of
comparing it to holding an Olympics somewhere and just going overboard.
But what was there was and we will talk about
this later as I think what was really going on,
but it was displaying particularly technology, science history, what we

(08:11):
might call ethnological history, human zoos is basically what was
there to show the evolution of the human species to
the perfection that was now in the eighteen eighties, eighteen nineties,
you've got So that's kind of the reason they're saying
they're putting it on. Now, who's putting it on are
the very rich, So for example, all of the big

(08:31):
robber barons, like the steel barons, the bank owners, the
true millionaires of the period of time, which would be
like a billionaire today. They're the ones who are pumping
in all the money. The bizarre thing is every single
one of these fairs loses a lot of money. I
think the one in Philadelphia in eighteen seventy six, I
think it loses four million dollars. So I don't know,

(08:53):
that's like what four hundred million, eight hundred million today
or something crazy, you know. And one of the things
about rich people is the reason they stay rich is
because they don't lose money. If they get into something
and they lose money, they realize, we're gonna stop doing that,
We'll do something else. They kept doing this again and
again and again and again, even though every single one

(09:14):
was losing money, So we know that there had to
be some other ulterior motive then behind just what would normally,
because when we hear the word fair, world, fair, world, exposition,
we think of like I had one of those when
I was a kid, Right when I grew up in Ottawa.
There would be like, you know, you would have like
a concert, the carnival ruld be there and you'd have

(09:36):
some some carnival rise and you'd throw some balls at
something and you'd eat some cotton candy and yeah, that's
what you think of as a fair. But the shit,
like the Chicago Exposition is seven hundred acres. Now it
does have this period of this area what they called
the Midway, which we became known as our fair Exposition
of today, but that still had it's still nothing like
what we had. It's insane what was on that. But

(09:58):
you add, you add, I think it was fifteen to
seventeen giant buildings that are again supposedly just constructed. The
largest of them could house three hundred thousand people. So
you could put three hundred thousand people in one of
the buildings, and each of them have towers and domes.
And I mean, for those of you who don't know

(10:19):
what we're talking about, and you've got to obviously you're
on the internet right now while you're listening to this
or watching this, just google in, for example, Chicago Exposition
eighteen ninety three, Saint Louis Exposition nineteen oh four, and
pull up some photographs of what we're talking about, because
I think, like the photographs are really really important of
what we're Like, like the cover of my book, so
that's the cover of the book, and people would think

(10:42):
right away, well, you're showing a picture of Rome. No,
that's Chicago of eighteen ninety three, and this is like
one tiny, tiny piece of a massive area in Chicago.
So you have these thirteen or fifteen giant buildings. Every
state in the Union had its own building, like again, giant,
massive buildings. Then you have every country in the world

(11:03):
they built a building. You've got the Canal's lakes. They
had a moving train in an electric train. They had
an electric sidewalk. Again, yeah, eighteen ninety three. How do
you have an electric side? Mark?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
How did it take them to construct all of this?
With timeframe?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
The story this is again so the mainframe story, sorry allergy.
The mainstream story with this is the fair was awarded
in early eighteen ninety one. The fair was supposed to
happen in eighteen ninety two. Reason what was called in
this case the Columbian Exposition, was it was supposed to

(11:43):
it was supposed to mark the anniversary of Christopher Columbus
is landing in America. That's what was supposed to do.
So it's obviously a historical propaganda event, right. So unfortunately
it didn't. They weren't able to get it done just
in time for eighteen nine they did. They had an
opening ceremony, but it wasn't actually built and start until
eighteen ninety three. So the actual time frame was about

(12:05):
two years, four or five months too. At a time
of no machines, right, no digging equipment. You're talking about
less than just over two years to put up seven
hundred acres of buildings. Now, I'll go in two directions
with that. The answer is to okay, if you ask,
if you try to ask a mainstream historian, how did

(12:26):
they do it? The answer will be is that they
used They used a product known as staff, which is
a very simplistic cement, and they are a cement like
a very simplistic plaster, and they put the plaster up
with basically wooden buildings. So you have a bunch of
wooden in wooden halls at a bunch of plaster on top.

(12:47):
Very simplistic, quick to build structures. That's what they try
to tell you. But as an example, the Buffalo in
Buffalo in nineteen oh one, the electric tower, this gigantic
power there was to hundred and thirty five feet high.
Now I don't know and what was I'm just tying
a picture the electrical tower in Buffalo, two hundred and

(13:09):
thirty five feet high. It had an elevator inside of
it that would take people to the top so that
you could be on top and look out over the fair.
Are you going to build a structure like that on
a plaster and wood and potentially of thousands of people
crashing to their death at the middle of the fair.
That's not a really good idea, especially when all the
people who are coming to this are elites of your world.

(13:29):
So just logically that that didn't make sense. But that's
the story they'd try to claim. It's a really simple material. Now,
I don't dispute that there was a lot of simple,
crude building material at these sites. There's no question I
at I can look at photographs, I can look at
other things, and it's obvious this is simple. This was
done quickly. So I'm not saying they weren't built at all.

(13:50):
They certainly were. The question is was all of it
really built or was just parts of it built? I
building contractors said in a moment. But to me, it
left me to I'll say this now, shut up. It
left me with two main questions, and that was either
a this really was built in two years, but they

(14:12):
must have had a building technology that they were not
supposed to have and became in a sense lost to history.
Or Two, they didn't actually build the whole site. A
lot of it, particularly the big buildings, were already there.
They basically just needed to clean them up, repaint them,
and pretend they had built them. Those are the two
logical I mean, of course, you can go with illogical

(14:33):
stuff with you know, they built this stuff in another
dimension and they transported them here. Aliens built it, you know,
I mean, and trust me, everything is on the table.
These things are so weird. Even though I kind of
joke like that, I can't actually say for sure it's
a joke because literally, if you're honest about looking at
this stuff, you have no idea how this was done.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, yeah, And I want to get to the possibilities
of alternative historical timelines, false historical timelines, and all the
possibilities surrounding that. You were just about to say something
that your contractor said about the buildings.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Oh yeah, right, So when I studied the stuff for
about three or four weeks at the beginning, and we're
just getting an overview and just realizing the depth of this,
you know when I look into here's the stuff in America,
here's Milan, here's Paris, here, here's the stuff in Denmark.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Here's the ones that holy, holy crap, you know. So
I went to some building contractors that I know, guys
that actually build giant sites, like, they don't just build
houses like I mean, these are people that build. You know,
if you're building a bunch of apartment buildings, this is
the guy you bring in. So I went to show
them the pictures. First, I didn't tell him what they were.
I just showed a bunch of pictures and he said,
what is this. I said, that's the Chicago Exposition of

(15:46):
eighteen ninety three. What So I explained to him what
it was and I told him and I asked him,
I said, I showed him all the pictures. I told
him how big it was. And I said, first of all,
could you build this for me today? Like, is it
possible that you could build this today? And he said, like,
I've got I've got all the machines I want and
all the guys I want. Yeah, I mean literally, I'm
giving you like a billion dollar budget. Could you build this?

(16:08):
He said, yeah, I could build it for you. He said,
he here's what a roughly take. It's going to take
me two years to do the planning because we've got
a whole lot of stuff you've got to go through
with how you're going to landscape and how you're going
to build these lakes and canals and everything else. So
let's about two years. Then give me two years. I'll
bring in the digging equipment and we'll get the we'll
get the water system set up, we'll get what that done,

(16:30):
We'll get you any water treatment stuff that's going through.
And then give me anywhere from twelve to fifteen years
with he said, fifty thousand guys. And he said, I'll
get this built for you. So I said, fifteen years
today to build this, and you could do it. He
said yeah. So I asked him, so in eighteen ninety one,
how did they build this in two years? His only
answer was, well, it's not possible. So this is a

(16:51):
guy who's he does this for a living every day
of his life. And he says, you know, the story
as it's presented is actually and.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
He said, literally a few months they had this all constructed.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
The mainstream, the mainstream narrative gives it. I'm trying to
remember it all off the top of my head, so
I might be, you know, a month or two off
things because I remember it now. They took the planning
session of the two architects for this, who are also
it doesn't matter where you look in the story of
the art. The story of the architects are strange. The
story of the you know, everybody is strange. But the planning,

(17:27):
the planning for it is supposed to have taken three
or four weeks. So he's telling you you need two
years to plan it. They planned the whole thing in
three to four weeks, and they had they had thew Now,
remember we're also building this in Chicago, where it gets
really cold, really snowy, and you can't build during the

(17:49):
winter anything basically, so you also means, yeah, they're saying
a little over two years, but you're chopping off like
you're losing like six or say eight months because you
can't build anything in Chicago. Oh, let's make it even
more fun. The site they chose to build it on
is a swamp, so they actually had to drive tens
of thousands of wooden poles into the swamp to first

(18:13):
create a base in which they're gonna lay all the
buildings on top of would you be putting buildings Wait
a minute now again, I'll just for everybody because I
want you to would you put a building like that
on top of a swamp, on top of it, holding
it into swamp on wooden pilings. That's what they're trying
to tell you. The story is. And I think I

(18:35):
actually got a picture in here of the wooden pilings
if I find it correctly for you, just so that
you know I'm not making this up, that this is No,
I don't have a picture in here of the wooden piling,
but again you can look it up. So when you
just consider that that you only needed three weeks to
plan this out, when you've got one of the most

(18:56):
difficult sites imaginable to build. And I love some of
the responses, Yeah, old world craftsmanship, you don't understand. In
the eighteen hundreds, they knew how to build things. And
I could say, Okay, let's pretend that's true. Let's pretend
that there were way different qualities of craftsmen. Who but

(19:18):
if you're going to build craft like if I'm going
to build an intricate table, you know, like the kind
of thing rich people with the elites would have with
you know, beautiful carvings and images and animals. That's going
to take longer than building a regular table. It doesn't
take shorter. So if you're going to extravagance, the building process,

(19:39):
even with experts, should take longer, not like it is
here taking shorter. So everything just on that aspect becomes
really bizarre.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
With the fairs, so across the board, even all over
the planet, they had similar types of technology and construction displayed, right.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, the same again if you just pump in these things,
you know, worldfairs and throw in a throw in Paris,
throw in throw in Yeah, they were everywhere, Copenhag and Stockholm,
you know, like I say, the Philippines, there was some
really really strange ones in Rio de Janeiro in South
America and Panama in yeah, and like in East Asia

(20:25):
Australia that's another good one. They had these giant things.
There's no people in Australia basically, right, there's nobody there
and they're building these massive exposition halls. And again it's like, well,
first of all, where are they even getting the materials from?
Where are they getting the materials from? And you can say, well, okay,
they're moving them in by train. Okay, that's fine. Here's

(20:47):
another thing my building contractor had a ton of fun with.
I showed them the construction photos of nineteen oh four
in Saint Louis, because Saint Louis is the fair with
the most construction supposed construction photos. What's bizarre about Saint
Louis is you'll get the construction photo will be a
completed building in like a mud plain field. So the

(21:08):
building's done, except maybe there's something being done on the roof.
There's scaffolding all over the place, and that's all there is.
It's like there's nothing in the midst of being completed.
It's a building completed with scaffolding. He looked at the
photo and he said, I don't know what the hell's
going on here, But where is the bathrooms. You've got
like forty or fifty thousand guys. Where are the guys
going to the bathroom? I don't see any coffee cups

(21:30):
in the ground. I don't see any sandwich wrappers. I
don't see he said. He said, I don't see a
stack of wood next to the building where you're building
just to build this these scaffolds. You're gonna need like
piles of wood to be able to build the scaffolding.
He just looked at and said, I don't know what
this is, but nobody's been building here for like a year,
and this is supposedly right in the midst of the

(21:50):
construction period. So it was really I was confused by
what I was seeing. But it wasn't until I had
these conversations with the building contractors that then I felt
I'm on the right track because their expertise in this
field could fill in the gaps for me not having
true building knowledge to be able to say they themselves

(22:11):
can't explain what's going on. And that was when I
took the book seriously, and that's when I sort of
moved into this deeper research phase on it.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
They were also displaying technology that seemed to be way
further ahead than should have been available at the time.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Right, Yeah, you've got so if we go into what's
at the fair because actually generally it always mostly when
this topic comes up, because there've been a lot of
people who have talked about this topic over the last
six or seven years, the buildings tend to get the
most focused. Just like you know, because it's the thing

(22:50):
you see first. But yeah, what's actually going on at
the fair, what they're actually displaying, what they're actually doing
there is even more bizarre than the buildings, imagine imaginaly.
So we've got just to give it before we can
get to get into that, just to give you an
idea of how strange these fairs are. So Chicago, I'm

(23:13):
a obviously you're from the United States. You've said the
you've said the Pledge of Allegiance. I'm sure since when,
since you were a young child, When did the Pledge
of Allegiance first start? You know?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I am not aware.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
No, it started for the opening of the Columbian Exposition
in Chicago. It was written specifically for that and it
was said by like a hundred children at the opening ceremony. Interesting.
So again, as you dig into the fairs and what's
going on there, so many pieces of what became our

(23:48):
heritage literally come out of the fairs. So for me,
I began to see that why I started calling him
this was the end of the last reset these fair Like,
why are they all over the world, Why do they
look the same? Why are they joining the same stuff? Well,
if you in a sense have a wiped out population,
and you're repopulating the world, and you want to how

(24:08):
would I describe it? You want to get the world
population thinking the same way. In a time before television,
before movies, before the internet, before this is the kind
of thing you would do. You would set up almost
like a giant traveling circus that would go around the world,
that would be presenting what you want to present, particularly
to the elites of your community. Like guaranteed, all the

(24:29):
school teachers will be at this thing, all the university
professors will be at these things. And now they go
back and explain to their students what they saw, what
they what they did there, and lo and behold, it
would not take long for a few generations because once
I start sharing what's at these fairs, you can see
that how this could be used as a propaganda tool.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Now this time, this timeframe also ties into what people
know as the orphan trains, right.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Right, Yeah, so you've got so again these are all
things I really didn't know much about. So this period,
this eighteen sixties to you know, nineteen hundreds, we've got
three really strange events happening in the United States, one
of which are orphan trains, a second of which is

(25:21):
the building of mental asylums, and the third is city fires.
So orphan trains is for some reason in the eighteen eighties,
no one can explain. It just seems like there's just
children everywhere, right, You just get photos of children in
cities with no adults, nothing, and it's and no one

(25:42):
can explain why there's so many children, why there's so
many orders. They're literally pumping mines and stuff. Yeah, and
of course they try to present it like, oh, it's
it's because it's cheap labor and they're using the children. Well,
even if it was cheap labor, you would not want
a seven year old digging coal out of the ground
because it's just even still, it's not effective to be

(26:02):
wasting space when you could get like a twenty five
year old guy and do the digging for you. You know,
obviously they didn't have any adults. They had only children,
and the question is, well, why where were all the adults?
First of all, what happened to them all? And of
course that would make sense if you're thinking of resetting
your population, you want to reset mentally children because children

(26:26):
will have no deeper experience, they'll have no understanding of
anything prior, and particularly if they're coming out of trauma,
they will be unbelievably grateful for the few adults or
whatever who are caring for them and are looking after them,
and they'll believe whatever they're told. So they're the perfect
indoctrination tool to start with. So you've got that going on,
these bizarre orphan trains all over and not just in

(26:46):
the United States. There's just happening all over the world
that these orphans are You could actually get this. You
could at the time order an orphan through the US
Mail Service. I kid you not, the postman would actually
deliver an orphan to your door. Yeah, how screwed up

(27:06):
is that? So you've got that going on. Now we've
got the same time, we've got insane asylums being built.
And again, if watching this go type in insane asylums
like eighteen eighties, eighteen nineties, the buildings are massive. First
of all, like they're bigger than the Medici Palaces of Florence.
They are more opulent, they're more beautiful than them. First

(27:28):
of all, why do you need so many insane asylums
all the time? And second of all, why do you
need to make them look like Buckingham Palace. Where are
all these insane people coming from? Now, this would make
sense if you're dealing with a reset and you've got
a whole bunch of people who are just not wanting
to go along with the new narrative, who are not
wanting to forget. Hey, wait a minute, this is how

(27:49):
life is supposed to be in this world, in this place,
and I'm not buying this garbage. Well, you know what,
You're gonna go in this building and you're just gonna
stay there until you agree with what we're telling you
to agree with.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
That has very connections to some of the things we're
seeing right now in our reality, but that we'll get
to that later.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So this is so that's why to
me it was there's such a connection. So that's the
second thing. The third thing that's going on at this
time period is city fires, particularly in the United States.
Every single city goes through a fire that literally burns
the city to the ground and then magically rebuilds, just

(28:28):
like the fairs, magically rebuilds in a year or two,
Like literally in one year, the whole city is back,
and it's like the fire never happened now. To me,
they try to explain this that they're over like one
hundred year time period and it's just coincidental because of
wooden buildings and whatnot. But what if the timeframe of
the fires wasn't one hundred years, What if it was

(28:50):
really like two years, that would tell us right away
something else was going on other than just coincidental fires.
And maybe I had to make it over one hundred
year period otherwise people would ask questions that they're not
supposed to ask. So you've got those three things happening.
I guess the fourth thing that's happening is the western

(29:10):
part of the United States is going under rapid development supposedly.
And example, we can get into like the city of
San Francisco, which to me is like a historical smoking gun,
because there's supposed to be nothing in San Francisco in
eighteen forty seven, right, the US in a sense captures
it from the Spanish or the Mexicans or whatever, and

(29:32):
within twenty years, I can again show you some photographs
of a city that's just literally looking like downtown Prague,
and you're like, well, how is a bunch of miners
and cowboys able to do this in thirty years. And
this is happening in Salt Lake City. It's happening like
everywhere in the West. You're having these explosions of these

(29:54):
same thing with with state capitol buildings. This is another
great thing that particularly Americans in the western part of
the country can go do is like go to see
your state capitol building in Iowa or Oklahoma or Nebraska.
Like the thing is going to be giant. And just
think of the dome this is being built in like
eighteen forty, like when there's no people living here, Like,

(30:15):
why do you need First of all, why do you
need this in eighteen forty And secondly, how did they
even build it? How in the middle of like you know,
how in the middle of like Nebraska did they get
all this stuff to even build this? And where do
they get the people who know how to build it?
So you've got all this happening at the same time,
and then you've got these goofy world fairs happening all
over the place. Again, it's an indication something different is

(30:38):
going on than the historical narrative tried to tell us.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
When we're talking about the resets. There's also possible evidence
of a rapid cataclysm that could have wiped out a
large portion of the population and left remnants behind. And
some of the evidence that that some site is the

(31:02):
buildings that seem to have been buried by mud.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Right, Yeah, that's that's one of the theories that One
of the theories that comes from this is that we're
talking the possibility of that these buildings were not built
when they were said they were, That these buildings were
not built in the eighteen hundreds their age, and they're hundreds,
they're thousands of years old, even part of a civilization

(31:26):
similar to Greece and Roman extended all over the world,
that they weren't. There wasn't like a Roman period and
a Greek period. It's like one giant world period that
the same buildings were built everywhere. And then what happened
to the people or what happened to everything? You know?
One answer is a certain group or a certain area,
a certain group of beings or whatever decided to wipe

(31:46):
out humans and start again. And others that yes, this
happened by some sort of cataclysm. It's just certain we'll
call them elite controlled type people had the calendar, had
the knowledge of exactly when this was going to happen,
so they could in a sense put themselves in a
safe place during the period of a worldwide cataclysm. They
just wait a year come back out from because we

(32:08):
have all these stories of people living underground and then
coming back up. Or you have the weird places like
Cappadocia in Turkey, which makes no sense of why are
there tens of thousands of people living in these massive
cities under the ground. And so this is one of
the one of the theories. And if you look into
the period around eighteen twelve to eighteen eighteen, which is
another period of history that's just bizarre. But you've got

(32:30):
all these comets and the Mississippi River flowed the other
way for a while, Like think about that, the Mississippi
River turned its flow around around eighteen sixteen or eighteen seventeen. Again,
no one has a proper explanation exactly, and no one
can actually truly explain how and why that happened. Now
and you're turning into yet cataclysmic events, a pole shift

(32:55):
on the Earth, some sort of comet range.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
If you don't be something intentional human cause possibly.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, you have something human, cause you have something you
have like. Another one to think about is the book
by H. G. Wells, War of the World, came out
in eighteen ninety five, right, the story of an alien
attack on Earth, And now some people who've gone into
this start to wonder is he writing a fictional book
or is he writing a documentary. So not that I'm

(33:27):
saying there are aliens and other planets and there, but
that that could mean there are beings that are There's
certainly beings from other dimensions, let's put it that way,
who have certainly been fighting for control over this realm
for a long time, and that just might have been
a period when one over the other decided to scorch
this place and impart their control a little differently. But

(33:50):
we can, yeah, talk about the various possibilities of recess.
But the problem is all of this is sort of
bunched into the same time period. Another one that's really
interesting to think about too for all of you is
if you look at the period eighteen fifty to about
nineteen hundred and you look at invents that are invented,
almost everything in our modern world, whether it's the way
the banking system works, the way government works, things you

(34:14):
use literally everything from cars to airplanes, it all has
its origin in this like forty or fifty year time frame.
There's almost nothing that really truly goes back further than that.
It's like everything was magically somehow started in this forty
or fifty year period around photography, Like it doesn't matter,
like what you every single thing you look at links

(34:34):
to this little time period. And again that something tells
you that's strange. That's again, So everything about this time
and history is that the way it's presented to us,
if you honestly examine it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Now, Skeptics would say that that's a lot of history
to rewrite and a lot of books and a lot
of content to put out in such a very short
amount of time. I'm just like the phenomena of putting
up the buildings in such a short short amount of time.
So which one is the actual truth that we can
look at?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Right? Yeah, I'm gonna give you a theory. But again,
like everything I'm sharing with you today, even if I'm
trying to say it could be this could be that
it's a theory, right, I mean that's probably, like you say,
nobody can actually know for sure, you know, I don't
have a time machine, and I can't go back there myself.
And look, all we can do is take the narrative
the way the world presents it to us and says,

(35:32):
this is what you're supposed to believe, and we can
examine the narrative in detail, especially this time period, because
we have photographs, thankfully before chat GPT starts making them
all for us, but we at least have some original
photographs and we can those are helpful to get us
to destroy them. Like I can tear down the narrative,
but I can't put a new narrative in its place.

(35:53):
But I'll give you an example. What if the reset
actually happened in yeah, eight let's say eighteen twelve. Let's
throw that as the real date, or does it mean
about eighteen twenty. Let's throw that date is a nice number,
So eighteen twenty, the whole earth gets scorched. But they
wait fifty to seventy to one hundred years to feel

(36:14):
that everything is in place that they need to do,
from getting things set up to get the getting the
population the way they want it to read, having the
history set up the way they want, removing books that
they don't want, adding books that they want getting the
technology used not use hid and then they say, okay,
now it's been fifty years, we're ready. So the reset

(36:35):
happened on like April first, nineteen twenty, they wait fifty
years the next day, then is now April second, nineteen twenty.
You've just lost the fifty year period where literally they
they made sure nothing happened, and you just repump out
newspapers on April second, just like nothing has happened, but
fifty years have just been lost, Which would make sense

(36:57):
of how all sorts of stuff could happen, All sorts
of things could be maneuvered, put around, put in place,
planned out without anybody ever knowing it happened, right. Famenko says,
one thing that this Russian guy he talks about, they
took out a thousand years in the calendar in the
in the in the you know, in the Middle Ages
to try to hide the when the Jesus story really happened.

(37:21):
And I think that could be true, but I think
they also did the opposite. They stopped years for a
while in order to hide what had really happened before.
Sort of sense restarting time for people.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Now based on everything you studied, and all the research
and the evidence that we do have, what do you
think our world might have been like before this reset?
Do you think it might have been a global type
of Roman empire?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Well, at least the buildings are there. And one of
the questions I get asked a lot of this is well,
what do the Native Indians have to say? Because if
like the equivalent of ancient Rome was existing in the
United States. First of all, they were they the Native Indians,
and after the reset, they all got, you know, blown

(38:17):
out of their cities, and that's why they're actually living
on the plains and hunting buffalo. It's not that was
not a choice of theirs. It was there. You know,
they were truly in a survival mode because their homes
were these really their homes. But why don't they have
If that's true, they should have. That should be in
their mythology, that should be in their stories. And unfortunately
I don't live in North America anymore. And the native

(38:38):
medicine men who were my teachers twenty five years ago
and the reserves are are dead now. I think maybe
or one is, you know, it's about eighty or eighty five,
and I don't have access to like I wish I
knew this like twenty five years ago when I was
in the sweat lodges with them, because I would have
asked them. I said, you know, I've got through this research.
I've got through this information. Is there anything like that
in your heritage? So if somebody does have close connections

(39:02):
to native reserves and to some native certainly native what
you would call wisdom keepers, this is something to bring up.
So what was it?

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Like?

Speaker 2 (39:13):
This is so hard because some people then try to
romanticize the past too much. I got caught in that
when I was writing my Egypt books that I kind
of put ancient Egypt on a pedestal without truly have. Now,
obviously they had more wisdom than we ever could believe.
They had more knowledge than they could believe, more scientific ability,
more understanding of mathematics and geometry and frequency and sound

(39:35):
and connection with the earth. But that doesn't necessarily mean
everything they were doing was good and dandy too. You know,
it still might have been a type of control mechanism,
just a different kind of control then. But certainly one
thing that stands out is the type of architecture that

(39:56):
these kind of buildings, you know, represent, like a like
sort of flipping through my book, like the old Courthouse
of Chicago, right, that used to be the Courthouse of Chicago. Now,
of course you wouldn't want something like that today. That's
just too nice. But something like that is, as I've
come to understand, it is generating energy. It literally is

(40:19):
producing a type of and I don't even want to
say energy like we know it. It's like different layers
of energy. These buildings are bringing an energy from the
sky and the earth. They're circulating it and projecting it
out to the city. So I get a sense that
one of the things these buildings were doing was naturally
harmonizing the area, because like there's certain there's some cathedrals

(40:41):
in Europe that are just eerie, like I go in
them and my skin crawls, But generally most of them,
it's like they're still working properly, and I'm there are
buildings there where I don't. It doesn't matter how sick
I thought it I think I might be, or if
I'm exhausted or I'm tired of I just go into
this one cathedral. I sit there for like twenty minutes,
and I'm absolutely refreshed, healthy, ready to go and I

(41:04):
realized that when these things were operating on full full
board because the way. I'll give you an example. There
was one in Nantes, France, and when I went and
I was able to notice the energy was coming straight.
There's a giant tower in the middle of it, and
that the energy would come in the tower, and I
could feel the energy would circulate. You know, there's like
a central area of a church, right that has like

(41:25):
the cross part of it, but there's always like a
I guess that's the nave. There's like an outside area
that's kind of outside, a bunch of columns and pillars.
I can't remember the name for the sides of a church,
but I could feel the energy that comes down would
circulate and the outside there wasn't going up and down,
it was circulating around that outside. At the back of
course of every church is an organ. Then these organs

(41:47):
are massive, and why are they called organs while they're
playing music that resonates with the human organ, right with
the human organs of the body. So once you would
play the organ music, the organ would then impact it
sound on the circulating energy and that would be projected
to the rose windows. And if you look at every
rose window in a church. And you understand simatics, which

(42:10):
is the patterns that sound makes when you projected onto
sand or onto water, right, certain sounds and certain vibrations
will make particular patterns. So what they're doing is they're
taking that energy and they're projecting it through these specific
cymatic patterns. No roses, but they're not roses, they're literally
energy creating frequencies, and that would be projected to the

(42:32):
entire city and all you and of course these big
cities would have ten, fifteen, twenty of these things that
are constantly projecting this energy out of the city. So
I wouldn't be surprised if at the very least living
in one of these areas would be much different today
because the city, the buildings in the city themselves would
be creating a much more harmonious, balanced life force as

(42:55):
opposed to today, where the cities tend to literally drain
us and suck the energy out of us by the
way they're built and how they're structured and what they do.
So what everybody was doing with the energy, how how
nice or wonderful or not, I don't know, but certainly
the potential of a much more healthy, balanced population was
there with these old buildings.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's so interesting. I remember I grew up Catholic, and
most of the churches I would go to growing up
would give me a very creeped out bye. But they
had this one beautiful cathedral that was a few miles
from my hometown that we'd go to occasionally with my
family for you know, Christmas gatherings and things like that.
But this place was so different, had such a different

(43:39):
type of energy, and they did have one of those
big organs there and the huge stained glass windows, and
I couldn't wait to go there every time. I normally
hated going to church, but for this particular place, I
was always excited to go to.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
And it would have been interesting to remember, like if
you could, if if you had diaries or something like,
did you ever go there feeling like, you know, you
had a pain in your back or you're hurt your
knee playing football the day before and then you walk
out and I mean, k he's fine. Yeah, it'll be
interesting if you had those I don't doubt that that
would be I don't think they needed hospitals five hundred

(44:15):
years ago. I think if people were sick or had problems,
they could just send them to these cathedrals and the
cathedral would heal them.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, I want to get back to the types of
technology that we could be looking at. It's not the
type of technology that we are used to today. It'd be
a much more frequency based type or an energetic based
type of technology, right right, right.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
So we've got the two things to talk about when
we get back to the fairs. So one is the
technology and one is the exhibits. So technology, the best
place to look for the weirdness of the technology is electricity.
So the exposition in Chicago had more elect light bulbs
at it then the entire city of New York at
the time. And they had one building supposedly supplying all

(45:09):
of the electricity for the Chicago Exposition, which makes no
sense because a huge pars portion of that building was
just technological exhibits showing the newest light bulb, this, the
newest train car, that, the newest whatever. Right, So how
are they generating all this power? And remember, they've got
a moving walkway, they've got an electric train, they've got

(45:31):
where is the electricity coming from? In Buffalo, the story
was that Nick Nicholas Nicola Tesla whether he's a real
person or not, I don't know, but he was always
He's claimed anyway to be the one always win the
electricity contracts over Thomas Edison, which supposedly pissed Edison off
come always. But Tesla supposedly got the one in Buffalo

(45:52):
and was claimed to have put water turbines into Niagara
Falls because Buffalo again, same thing, it had more electric
lights than any city in the US for this for
the Buffalo Exposition of nineteen oh one. So we've got this.
We've got this first problem. Where's all the electricity coming from? Really?
How are they generating it? So weird about buffal because

(46:14):
that's where McKinley gets Actually Buffalo is the stupidest, weirdest
worldfare ever. But President McKinley gets assassinated at the at
the Buffalo World Fair and they took him to the
operating room. It was when the operating room they took
him to was a bit dark. It didn't have any
windows in it, and they had no electric lights. So
they had to like go outside with mirrors and shine

(46:36):
and take bubu used the sun, you know, reflect the
sun and off a mirror so they could get some
light in so that they could try to save McKinley's life. Meanwhile,
there's like one hundred thousand light bulbs all over the
rest of the fair, but they didn't think of putting
one in like the operating room, where you might actually
need one. It's just everything about these stories is just

(46:58):
not so. The technology itself is like it's overboard for
the time frame, and it doesn't make any sense as
to why they would have so much of it when
you can't really explain even where they're getting the electricity from.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
When you look at the technology that we have today,
the developments that we have are nothing that benefits humanity
in any way as far as getting us free energy
as far as helping enriching our lives and our healthcare.
And this technology that you're speaking of seemed to do

(47:35):
this very thing.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, I don't doubt this was the last round of
them using I don't doubt the buildings that these fairs
generated the energy themselves, the towers, the domes or whatever,
they were the ones generating the energy, and it was
still functioning like it used to, like a true free
energy place. But they were presenting and again, this is

(47:58):
what these worldfairs are doing. Talk all the different things
why they're so important. They're presenting a story to the
populations of the world that they're going to believe going forward.
One of them is energy is difficult to produce. It
costs a lot of money, and therefore you have to
pay us for us to give you this energy that

(48:20):
you're going to need to grow. But it's important because
it's going to revolutionize the industrial age. Is electricity is important,
but they don't want to let you know. But you
know what, It's been free forever basically, and if you
know how to do it, you just make it yourself.
It's there, it's in the atmosphere. But now we want
to we want you to start believing, but you need

(48:42):
us to give it to you or you don't have
any So to me, the fairs were still operating in
the old style, but they were telling everybody, oh, no,
this is the we're doing it this new way or
the only way of producing energy through turbines, through machines,
through coal, through yeah, wind and whatever, but not letting

(49:04):
people know that, yeah, all these buildings were going to
blow up and tear down after this. Yeah, they were
the ones actually doing it. So I think that that's
one of the things we're seeing is you're presenting they
were innocentse showing in the face, here's the way things
used to be technologically wise. Now we're going to destroy
it all and we're going to tell you what the
technology is going forward, and there'll be no memory of

(49:26):
the past of how things used to be. So that's
one part. I think what the fairs are doing in
the technology side.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Now what about the exhibits. What other type of exhibits
where we're looking at.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
So you've got exhibits on everything from art to clothing
to you know, I mean, you name it, there's an
exhibit for it. If you wanted, if you were curious
on what kind of beers were Germany making this year,
I guarantee you there would be like one thousand beers
at the somewhere at the Worldfair. You could go and
look at them. But the two areas we should talk
about here that are the most important are the human

(50:01):
zoos and the historical exhibits. So the human zoos, these
are what they did is they would bring actually bring
what they call primitive tribes from all over the world,
So you would get the Zulus from Africa, they would
get pigmies, they would get eskimos, they would bring Cheyenne,

(50:22):
they would bring a appahole, and they would set up
gigantic enclosures and show them off and make them as
primitive as possible in order to show people, look at
what you evolved from, look at the look at what
look at the low level of human it used to be.
And they would do things to make to play that off.
In Buffalo, they made the Indians that were there go

(50:46):
to the coliseum. There was five thousand people to watch this.
They brought in eight hundred dogs. The Indians were forced
to kill them and then eat them in the colosseum.
Oh my god, this is the kind of stuff that's
going on. Another amazing that was going on the Smithsonian Institute.
I think they started up the first exhibit in Nashville.
I think they would have an exhibit of skulls and

(51:08):
they would show these small deformed skulls and they would say,
pig me from Africa. They would say, you know, Aboriginal
from Australia. They'd have criminal here, and then they would
have this giant, one giant skull. They would say British
Victorian eighteen eighty five. And then they would have these
things that they would measure your skull, and then they
would take your measurement and put them towards all the

(51:30):
other skulls to show how far you were along in
the process of the evolutionary development. Were you like the
criminal and the primitive, or were you like the British
elite victorian. This is what's going on at these worldfairs
in the Human Zoo department, and I'm simplifying it. They
also would have exhibit this is also incredible, called the
Old Plantation. I'm going to read you exactly what the newspaper.

(51:53):
So this Old Plantation, if we had to simplify what
they're doing at it. They were trying to show that
things in the slave period for the slaves were actually
pretty great and wonderful. So here is the exhibit that
the way the Buffalo Evening News suggested people should go
to the Old Plantation. Genuine Southern darkies, two hundred of them,

(52:16):
raging in years from we toddling picaninnies to negroes gray
and bent with age, can be seen each day at
the exposition and their different occupations and pastimes. Lovers of
negro melodies will have a feast. Many of the darkies
will be selected because of their special talents as singers
and banjo players, and they will dance and sing to
the seductive tinklings of instruments exactly as the Negroes of

(52:37):
the South used to do a long long time.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Oh my god, that is one of the most horrible
things I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, and I literally I could in this area. I
could go on for like two or three hours going
through exactly what these each one of these fairs were
doing and how they were doing it in this field.
So it's all about the idea of evolution was being
pushed very very hard at these fairs, that this is

(53:09):
something that must be believed, that everything is moving forward
and you, at this moment in time, must be the
most advanced thing. Ever. Therefore, we must show that everything
that came before you is primitive, useless, and in fact,
because you're still at the point of these fares of
they're killing off the Indians on the plains right there's
still a war going on to decimate the Native Americans,

(53:32):
and they need to make sure that the innocence are presenting.
Primitive savage need to be destroyed. They want this in
the so the fairs are also producing this idea of like,
not only do we need the land, we need to
kill these people off in order to make it right
for us evolved of course in this case British victorians. Right,

(53:53):
So this is one part of what's going on at
the fairs, A gigantic propaganda machine of false humanity. Basically
the best way of describing it, that is absolutely So
that's one side of it.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, that's absolutely incredible, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
And I think, to me, these are so many things
that need to be presented about the fairs. This is why.
This is why when somebody just does a fifteen minute
little YouTube video on showing some buildings and stuff that
look at this building, look at this building, and I'm like,
the buildings are nothing. You need to do the research
to know what's going on at these things. That's what's
important to me. Even bigger than the zoos is what

(54:39):
I call the historical exhibits. The reason I say that
is if my thesis is true and there was a
reset and the world in a sense was decimated, the
population killed off, and the history needs to be eliminated,
you have to build a new history. Now. You have
to get something that people are going to believe this

(55:00):
is the Saint Louis Worldfare nineteen oh four that I'm reading.
This is not the complete area of the historical midway,
but I want you to just read this is what
you could have seen if you went to the Saint
Louis exposition. Do you think Disneyland has something to show you?
Here we go. Ancient Rome was a colossal exhibit with

(55:20):
over four hundred actors employed to give the visitor the
illusion of going back in time to the life of
the gladiators. A large arena called the Hippodrome showcase character
chariot races, jousting, boxing and gladiatorial classes, clashes with including
two hundred animals, including tigers, lions, and leopards. The finale
was a reproduction of Nero's Rome Burning. The Tyrolean Alps

(55:41):
was a nine acre reproduction of the Alpine region in Bavaria, Germany.
It had twenty one village cottages, a cathedral, and gigantic
mountains of staff. Visitors could ride a simulated train car
through the Alps, where the real cattle and real goats
would be in pasture. Jerusalem covered eleven acres eleven acres
and included twenty two in three hundred buildings replicated with

(56:03):
the stable in which Jesus Christ was said to be born,
the Golden Gate the Mosque of Omar. Over one thousand
people from Jerusalem traveled to the United States to participate
and work in the exhibit. Like Chicago, one could walk
down the streets of Cairo and smoke a water pup,
ride a camel hangel for carpets, or walk through a
replica of Luxor Temple. At the streets of Sebil one
saw a replica of the Plaza da Torres in Madrid.

(56:24):
The Great Siberian was a train ride that utilized the
lusion to make one believe they were on a cross
country Russian railway. The Irish village was entering entered by
a replica of Saint Lawrence's Gate. Paris replicated France during
medieval times. There was Constantinople, the Chinese village in the
streets of Old Saint Louis. They're presenting history on such

(56:46):
a massive scale with tens of thousands of actors. It's
one thing to go and read a book on something.
It's another thing to see a lecture. It's very, very
manipulative to present history with as interacting with you and
talking to you. Stricking you is the thinking you're actually there.

(57:06):
And I mean the average person if they want to
watch the gladiator clashes at the Saint Louis Exposition and
then talk to the gladiators afterwards, they would think I
know everything about ancient Rome. No, I know all about
the gladiators. I know all about the Roman Coliseum. I was,
I was there. This the scale of this is mine.
Just the Jerusalem exhibit, twenty two streets, three hundred buildings

(57:31):
was built for one exhibit.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
And at the end, they just they blew everything up, right,
they just destroyed it all at the end.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Everything at the Saint Louis fair is a good example.
They brought in dynamite experts from Chicago and blew it
all up, and they claim threw it into a bunch
of landfills. Now, I would like to know where those
landfills are, and I'd like to go dig them up,
because if it's true that it was all built out
of staff and would then there's going to be nothing
in those landfills. It's all going to have been, you know,

(58:03):
just just decayed. If it's what I think it is.
In a large amount of marble and fine stone and granite.
Then it's still going to be in those landfills. So
I would love But yeah, they they blew all of
them up. Now they would always keep one building. This
is the bizarre thing. They would always, Oh, we had
to make one building real. We had to build one
building out of marble and granite. That's because it was

(58:26):
there's special artworks from around the world that needed to
be fire protected. So we need all the other stuff
now that doesn't need to be fire protected, but just
just these few pieces of artwork. And so well, we
keep this one building. It'll always be an art gallery now,
a history museum whatever. So Saint Louis has one, right,
Chicago has one, Buffalo has one, San Francisco has one.

(58:48):
They all have this the pets of the Palace of Fine
Arts in San Francisco in case you're cures. But there's
always this one building that they had to build for
real in order to you know, as opposed to But
if anybody looks into how the how the Church of
Rome took over Europe, which was destroyer of the old

(59:09):
pagan sites, specifically the stone circles and the standing stones
and everything else, and they would build their cathedral, their
new church on top of wherever they had just taken over.
But they would always leave one stone. There will always
be one like I can. That's how I can track
where there, because I tracked stone circles now through Norway
and Sweden where I live, and I found hundreds of
them a lot of times just by going to an
old old cathedral, old church they called stobkirkis here, and

(59:33):
then you'll find one old stone of the original, and
then I can just start tracking and I bump into
stone circles nobody knows about. So it's kind of a
similar thing. They're destroying a whole thing, but you keep
one kind of like a weird souvenir, kind of like
a weird uh ceremonial marker for what went on there.

(59:53):
So I don't for a minute believe they only made
one real building and the whole rest of the thing
was some sort of quick giant you know. No, that's
that's definitely not the case.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
For for the last few minutes we have, let's get
into the possibility of a cyclical type of event or
cataclysm that we may be headed towards again, Like we
were talking about earlier, there is it's possible that the
elites of the time knew that these cyclical type of

(01:00:28):
cataclysms occur, and that we were headed towards a new one.
And not only did were they prepared, but they facilitated
a brand new reality after this cataclysm occurred. Fast forward
to today, we're already seeing the rewriting of our history
before anything happens. So could it be that we are

(01:00:51):
indeed headed towards another massive cataclysm and the elites of
today are trying to get ahead of it all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
I think it's even bigger than that. I think what
we recall what we call resets in the past, which
no question there were, And of course we can get
in the whole simulation theory. And how old is the
simulation actually, you know, I might even I could even
say the simulation started with the World's Fairs in eighteen
fifty one. That literally, nothing is truly real until they

(01:01:23):
turn the switch on. It began the simulation. But a
lot of my new book, Exit the Cave, which is
all about Plato's cave and the dealing with, in a sense,
getting out of the matrix. When I look at where
we're at now, I actually think we're at a different place.
I think the simulation that we are in is ending,
and those that have been put in the control positions

(01:01:45):
know that it's ending. And what's what they're doing is
they're they're not as so much shaping a new narrative
for here, they're building the new simulation that they're going
to put that they're going to move humans you might say,
into one that is, you know, very transhumanist, very robotic,
very it'll be very different from this this world we're

(01:02:05):
in now. And actually we're in that, we're we're in
a really good period good in that the one simulation
is ending, the new one hasn't started yet. We're in
this bridge point between them. That means we have the
opportunity to gather our own inner power, our own knowledge,
our own sotality, and if we're ready for it, leave
the simulations completely. We can choose to, you know, because

(01:02:29):
we're not as we're not as tethered to one, because
we're a little bit out of that. When we're not
in the new one yet, we have a great opportunity
to see through everything, to see the actual falseness of
all we've been around, of all the things we've been
told of all the systems that we're dealing with, and
have the opportunity to actually go you might say, return home.

(01:02:51):
So this is so to me, This is why this
is such an amazing period that when I begin to
see that the fares or the period of these old
resets are like a minor version of what's that, we're
actually in the big one. Now we're in like the
true reset. I see three things that that are gonna happen. One,
we've got the reset, the simulation ends and the new
one starts, and everyone who goes into the new simulation

(01:03:14):
ain't kind of like that in the in the least
it's gonna be. You're gonna be one. You're gonna be
another level deeper in the matrix. Some will be able
to escape, Some will a large number I think of
human souls will understand what they have to do and
navigate their way out of this place completely. A third
thing that is highly to happen, that I forget to

(01:03:35):
mention sometimes is that this this entire simulation will not
just no, it doesn't end exactly. It'll reloop itself and
we'll go back like in a giant like a groundhog Day,
and go back and have a giant time loop experience
of whether it's one hundred years, five hundred years, three
thousand years, whatever, but that there will be a massive
time loop and we'll be living through all of this

(01:03:56):
shit again. So two of the three cents are not
really good ones. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
I know we got into this last time you were on,
but to give the audience an idea, do you think
that this simulation is something that is created for us
or is it something that's been hijacked by nefarious intelligences
or entities and we have the opportunity now to either

(01:04:26):
exit this false overlay or reclaim our type of simulation.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I know some see it that way, but I've come
to see it as the simulation has only been made
to harvest our energy. It's only been made to be
an insane realm. It's had different It's been always insane,
but just different levels, different view different ways presented differently.
It's been one giant trick and deception from the from

(01:04:55):
the beginning. And there's multiple layers, multiple simulations. Plato's cave
is vast right. It's this realm, the ethric realm, the
astral realm, the heavily realm. I mean, everything that is
potentially experienceable is within Plato's cave, it's within the matrix.
So to me, the truly great deep visioning is I've

(01:05:21):
become more like a gnostic or a cath aar. And again,
this whole thesis again is you know it just it's
a thesis. It's my way of seeing reality now after
thirty years. But I see that the greatest thing one
can do in a sense, it's just like in that
War Games movie. The best move you can make is
not to play, to not be a part of this,
to not be a part of the very thing that's

(01:05:42):
really tricking and trapping and deceiving us and stealing our energy,
and just decide I'm not interested in this anymore, and
I'm leaving. I'm going I'm going to go back home.
Not by meaning I'm going to try to kill myself
and get out of here, because that's not going to
work either. So many people think, well, if I just
if I just commit suicide, I won't be in this,

(01:06:03):
I won't be here anymore and I'll be free. No,
you'll be in the astro realm. And now you're going
to deal with the beings that are there who are
going to trick you and get you back into the
simulation again and maybe something way worse than you have now.
So even if this is difficult, even if it's traumatic,
even if it because I've gone through a lot of
trauma in my life, but the key point is I'm
using the time I have here to learn, to experience,

(01:06:24):
to test reality, to learn more about myself, to learn
more of my own inner power, to learn more about
how reality is structured, so that I can navigate all
the tricks and deceptions. And you might say, make the
only journey we ever have to make. So for me,
it's it's disengage from this place as much as possible,

(01:06:45):
while still obviously drinking water and eating food and being
good to your friends and treating animals and nature as
well as you can. But at the same time, the
main focus is seeing what this place really is and saying, Okay,
I don't want to be a part of another reset.
I don't want to be a part of another simulation.
I don't want to be a part of another bunch

(01:07:06):
of tricks and lies and whatever. Just like but I'm
greater than all of that. I have more power than
all of that. I'm actually I'm like, you know, I'm
the totality, So why not choose just to go back
to that totality, to ultimate freedom and this place can
then do what at once?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Do you think that there's ultimately some sort of force
that is causing this advancement in awareness in people on
a large scale? Do you think that there is some
kind of force that is causing this large awakening in people?

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
No, and I wouldn't say there's that large of an awakening.
Actually there's been there's been a lot of people who
have been personally personally seen more insanity it's been more
obvious now, or have been personally highly inconven enience. Their
comfort level has no longer been able to stay as
comfortable they've they've been pushed, and so because of that,

(01:08:07):
a lot of people have seen things are not right here,
things are there's something wrong with everything. You know, they're
not saying just the last few years, they're realizing health.
For the last five hundred years, it's been wrong here.
So people have come to that point. But I think
to actually start to step back and see, wait a minute,
the whole thing is a constructed prison because the belief

(01:08:29):
has always been right, that a loving God made this
place to care about me, and it's a school, and
I'm here to learn and I'm here to grow. And
we take that. I took that for granted when I
got that kind of information as a four or five
year old, But how do you test it? How do
you test that to prove that it's true or not?

(01:08:50):
Because I say, the Gnostics and the Catholarts have a
completely different story, right. They believe that there is a
truly total force out there, but that creature or being
or whatever had nothing to do with this reality. This
was made by an evil God who tricked us in
here to in a sense of using our energy. So
that's not to say one is definitely true one is
not true. The question becomes for each of us is

(01:09:12):
how can we look into these possibilities and find out
what we think is true from our own experience and
our own research. We just get fed something at four
years old and are told this is what you're supposed
to believe, and we never really figure out a proof
for it. And I guess I've gone now to the
far edge of that and just said I'm looking for

(01:09:33):
the proofs of every one of these possible creation stories,
and unfortunately the ones that the ones that are the
place is not built to make us happy and wonderful,
tend to win out in the logic category.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Right on, I love this really gets my wheels turning. Howdy,
thank you so much. This was fantastic. Yet again, before
you head out, let the audience know where they can
find all your work.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
I've still got a website going called Egyptian Dash Wisdom
Dash Revealed dot com. I'm moving to a new site
with I think with it will be howdiemccosky dot com,
so you'll be redirected at some point if you go
to the old one to the new site. I still
got a lot of stuff up on YouTube. I'm not
really posting there anymore, but there's three years worth of
stuff that you can find there. I'm posting my new

(01:10:22):
stuff now on a locals channel if if you can
find me through my name on locals, I'm putting up
a lot lot of it's for free. Some of it
is you know, you have to pick a couple of
dollars a month, but a large large amount of it's
still for free over there. And of course you can
find all my books from the exposition to the exit
the cave. You can start on a place like my
website or Amazon. Don't have to buy the books on Amazon,

(01:10:43):
but you can at least get an overview of them there,
and then you can go buy them wherever the heck
you might want. And yeah, that's where I can be found.
And that again, it's just a reminder that I'm I'm
just sharing the thirty years or so of my work
in the subject and the research and importantly the experiences
that I've had, not so much because I want you
to believe them, but I want you to take the

(01:11:04):
possibility of other things you've never thought about, and just
to give it some time and say, well, could something
like that be true? Could a different viewpoint than I've
always had in my life be correct? Could history and
other things not be telling me a true narrative? And
allow yourself to do some research for yourself, And again,
the only thing that matters is the truth that you're
going to find within yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
So excellent, very well said. How do you thank you? Today?
I want to welcome Ryan Paul Tromblay. He has been
a hardcore cryptozoology enthusiast and researcher for over twenty years,
exploring the legends and encounters from dog men and Bigfoot
to the Jersey Devil and extraterrestrials, including his own personal

(01:11:45):
encounter that fueled his fascination. Ryan, welcome, How are you doing.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
I'm doing pretty good man. How you doing today?

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I can't complain. I am busy in the best of
ways as usual, and today we're going to have a
great conversation. We're going to get into your research into
the mysterious world of cryptid creatures. As we collectively moved
through the ages of movies and television depictions of monsters,
where wolves, sasquatch and other mysterious creatures became fantasy and

(01:12:16):
a source of entertainment, eventually becoming accepted by most as
just that a form of entertainment created by our human imagination.
I've always held on to my childlike wonder when it
came to the unexplained and paranormal. This is why I
started doing the show, and the more I became involved,
the more I went seeking the unknown, and the more

(01:12:39):
the unknown came to me and gave me my own
validation that there's much more to this reality than we
have been led to believe today we're going to get
into your research and experience with these realms and collect
more puzzle pieces, as we do with every guest appearance,
but this is your first time on. Tell us more
about yourself and what led you to this research and work.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Okay, well, I mean I always grew up as a
monster kid. You know, when I was a little boy,
we always had the Universal Monsters movies playing on TV.
You know, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Dracula, Frankenstein. So
I grew up with a natural love for all the monsters.
But when I was about seven years old, my dad
showed me the Patterson Gimlin Field and just you know,
thinking about Bigfoot really hooked a young Ryan's mind. So

(01:13:25):
I started checking out all the books that I could
from the school libraries, the local libraries, and it slowly
started becoming an obsession. You know, unsolved mysteries and sightings
and shows like that just really spread it on more
and more. And you know, I started looking to were wolves, chupacabra,
all those kind of things. And well here I am
today studying skinwalkers, Windigo and all the good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Right on, Now, I understand you even had your own sighting.
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
Yeah, I had a dog man sighting, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
It was he about it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Well, it's funny because I was actually kind of a doubter.
I was a skeptic of the dog man thing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
I knew Bigfoot was real, but I just didn't want
to believe that something like a werewolf could exist in
our world. It just seemed too fantastical. And so what
happened is, you know, one day, when I was living
in a different town. It was about three years ago,
a friend of mine and his wife were going away
on vacation and they wind me to house sit so I,
you know, except the job, and you know, I would
do morning, afternoon, and midnight checkup just to make sure

(01:14:23):
the property was safe. On this particular night, it was
about midnight, maybe twelve thirty, I was walking up his
driveway and going into the backyard, and I noticed the
coyotes were unusually anxious. They were really yipping loud, and
they sounded like they were just panicked. And I didn't
really think anything of it at first. I just thought,
you know, weird night. And as I'm walking back there,

(01:14:44):
I caught with this terrible, terrible stench. It smelled like
rotted meat, feces urine, and just body odor in general.
And I heard this deep, deep growl, you know, and
living in Arizona, I thought maybe you know mountain lion,
you know. That crossed my mind originally, and I thought
maybe bear from the sound of the growl, but we
don't have bears in that town where I lived it,

(01:15:06):
and so I just kept proceeding, you know, going back,
going back, and the growl sounded again, and so I
tried to be logical about it this time, and I
was like, oh, it's somebody playing a hoax song. It's
a prank. And I thought maybe it was a homeless guy.
So I tried to puff up because I'm a small guy.
I'm five nine and a half, you know, and so
I just I puffed up them all hey, And there

(01:15:27):
was no response at first, but then another growl came out.
In this growl, I could feel in my chest like
it was vibrating my innerds, and I'm going, okay, what
is this? What am I facing here? So I just
kept walking forward. I got to the backyard and it
was silent for a moment, and then there was another gral,
but this gral seemed really close. And just as I

(01:15:48):
was rounding the corner to my friend's house, the security
lights kicked in and I saw this hyena like thing.
Now I knew we did not have hyenas and arizona,
I was that logical. But I was looking at something
that looked un doubtedly hyena in the face, even the
fur like it had the spots on the fur. But
this hyena has arms, human arms, and it was standing
on two legs. Yeah, So I could see it was

(01:16:11):
staring at me because I could see the eye shine
from the lights and it was looking right at me.
I'm looking at it. It's looking at me. So I'm
just like, oh my god. And i didn't want to move,
you know, because I've been hunting before. I know when
you see something that could be a predator, you don't run.
That's gonna trigger the predator prey response. So I was
rooted in place and I'm like, what is this, you know,
and it's it kept staring at me, and I see

(01:16:31):
its ears going up, going down, and all of a sudden,
this thing charges forward about three feet. Now why I
didn't move, I don't know. I think I was just
beating stupid or whatever. But I just stood in place
and it just suddenly stopped and it rears up on
its hind legs and I hear this loud, loud top.
I think it was its bones and its tips as
I was adjusting its stands, and it reaches up onto

(01:16:54):
a branch and it's just holding onto the branch, staring
at me, and it's heads going side to side, and
I'm just going, what is this? What is this? My
brain's saying, run, My body's going yet, No, We're not
going anywhere. We just stare at each other for what
felt like hours, but it was really minutes, yeah, you know.
And eventually it started as slowly back away and back
away and back away, and I'm just transfixed on this thing.

(01:17:17):
I'm watching it, not making a move, and once I
see it go closer to the hill line, man, I
grew rockets to my butt. I was running up my
friends stairs into his house. I'm locking the doors, bolting
the windows. I'm going through his kitchen drawers, trying to
find any kind of knife that I might be able
to use on this thing. And so I call up
my friend and I'm like, brother, is there something you
didn't tell me? There was a hyaena in your backyard,

(01:17:39):
and he thought I was crazy. He's like, Ryan, there's
no hyenas in Arizona. And you know, having seen this,
I'm going, no, you're lying to me, dude, because there
was a hyena out in your backyard. This thing looked
like a hyena. So he and his wife came home
and the next day we went out into the backyard
and sure enough he could see the scratch marks in
the ground where the thing had been standing. And so
my friend was like, WHOA, you did see something. So

(01:18:01):
I started looking up whinto Godfrey's work, and I saw
that some people were seeing like a hyeno variance of
the dog Man. So right there, all my skepticism went
right out the window. I knew, okay, dog Man is
like Bigfoot. There is something out there. People are seeing
these things, so I can no longer doubt this. I
have to start looking into that. And that really set
my course on dog Man.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I have been looking into dog Man myself. I'm currently
in almost finished producing a documentary that focuses on a
gentleman's experience not only with a dog Man, but bigfoots
as well, and it focuses on the area of South Louisiana.
The witness that I that I'm speaking of, his name
is Scott Pace and he had an Yeah, he had

(01:18:43):
an experience with an encounter with a dog man and
a bigfoot and psychic communication and everything. The dog man
was very aggressive, and this really peaked my interest into
even more into these creatures. I was interested before, but
knowing the credibility of this gentleman and his experiences and

(01:19:04):
how he just didn't want anything to do with anything
paranormal before this, it kind of fell upon him. It's
very interesting to hear those stories and to hear the
similarities amongst stories, especially like yours. I've heard people talk
about the hyena looking dog man and the different variants.
I think this is a good place to start with this.

(01:19:25):
What is your understanding of what this creature is. I've
had plenty different researchers with different understandings. The last gentleman
I had on believes that there are different types. That
there is a more metaphysical spiritual type, but there's also
this physical, flesh and blood manifestation of whatever this creature is,

(01:19:47):
as well as a shamanic version that it's an occult
ritual where very high level either shamans or dark magicians
know how to pre reject themselves as these creatures, and
I'd love to get your insights into all that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:04):
You know, I go back and forth a lot. I
used to be in the flesh and Blood camp, but
the more I look into it, the more I realize
there's something very unnatural about these things.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
I mean, we don't really find footprints like we do
with Bigfoot. We don't find his scat or anything like that,
but then we do see them eating prey. So I'm
kind of the mind that they're interdimensional in a way,
you know, that somehow they cross over from wherever they
originate from and come into our world. And I did
it with the whole Tulpa theory as well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
You know, if.

Speaker 4 (01:20:34):
Anybody's familiar with Toulpa is you know, it's almost like
Freddy Krueger, you know, when in the movies, the more
they fear him, the stronger he gets, and the more
dreams he's showing up in. And I was wondering if maybe,
like with dog Man, the more that people start fearing it,
start thinking about it, the more it manifests and more
people are seeing them. I mean, really, the only thing
I can say for a certain is that nobody really knows.

(01:20:54):
Will we ever know? I sure hope so, but until
then we only have theory. But I don't think that
they're an animal that started here on our planet. I
think there's some kind of interdimensional slip and that's where
these things are coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Have you heard of any encounters that have been aggressive
to a point where there may have even been physical contact,
or the individual experiencing was terrified or scared that there
would be a violent altercation.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
I have heard of them, but like as a researcher,
you have to be very careful and really look into
these things. Now, I do believe that they can be
incredibly violent, but I've not heard of anybody that's been
readily attacked save for the LBL case, and I'm a
little skeptical on that one. I need more proof about
LBL before I can buy into That'll.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Tell us a little bit about that case for those
that may not be familiar.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Okay, LBL is a land between the lakes, and during
the eighties, allegedly a family was massacred by a dog
man there. Now, supposedly there was a witness, and I
don't want to mention his name because I'm not sure
if he'd take offense or not, but he came forward
said he was a witness to that. Now, there's really
not been any solid evidence. As a researcher, I can go, Okay,

(01:22:05):
it definitely happens, but it does make an interesting story
to look into, and it gives us something to investigate.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Now, what are some of the most profound encounters that
you've researched? Are even spoken with people that have experienced these?

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Well, I mean I've spoken to a lot of various people, okay,
and some people will tell me they had really pleasant encounters,
and you know, they actually like speak to these dog
men creatures every day, and you know, if that's true,
that kind of shows that they're not always hostile or aggressive, okay,
and it kind of makes me wonder, is there some
way to get peaceful encounters?

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
And one of them that always kind of sticks out
was the siege of Locket Ranch. You know, that's a
story where dog men basically terrorized people for a whole night,
you know, and you got to look into that one too,
because I think that's a very fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
So could you tell us a little bit more about
a little bit more of a synopsis about that one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
I mean, you know, these people who are on a ranch,
you know the term locket ranch, and dog men were there,
and these people were trying to fight back against a
reading dog man party, and the dog men just kept
coming and coming and coming, and it's almost like they
were planning tactics, like they had a military mind of sorts,
which suggests a human like mind. Yeah, you know, and

(01:23:25):
to me that doesn't say cryptid okay, because cryptids are animals.
So if they're using human like intelligence, I do have
to wonder are they alien of some sort, you know,
and diremensional aliens that know how to think, how to
plot strategies.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Have you heard of any encounters that are associated with
Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
I don't really hear too much of the psychic connection.
I think people that you know, believe in the WU
kind of shy away from me a bit, thinking that
I don't believe in that stuff. But I mean, as
a skinwalker and when to go researcher, I have to
believe in the WU, you know. I mean, if I
don't believe in the Woo, failing at my.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Job based on your research, What is the difference between
skin Walker and Windigo? What's what are these creatures?

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
Okay, well, when to Go, we'll start with that one.
The Wind to Go in my research, is more a
demonic entity. I don't like to use the term demon
too often, but since everybody's familiar with that, I'll go
ahead and use it. It's an entity that will come forth,
a demon that will possess somebody when they break certain
cultural taboos. Now the most popular one is cannibalism, Like

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if somebody enacts cannibalism upon another human being, they're opening
themselves up to the Wind to Go. But greed is
also another way for the one to Go to possess somebody,
and it can also be brought on by a curse.
So say you wrong a shaman in the Algonquin tribe,
he or she can go ahead and curse you with
the Wind to Go, and the Wind to Go, we'll
find you and start possessing you. Okay, So that's an entity,

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whereas the skin Walker is also called the ye Naradushi.
Those are shaman that I'm a Star Wars geeks, You're
gonna have to forgive the analogy. They're shaman that joined
the dark side. Okay, you know, they realize they can
do certain things with the magics that they learn, and
as is a very human trait, you know, they learn, hey,
we have these powers that other people don't have. We

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can do these things that nobody else can do. So
why not use it for our own self game. Let's
cause some chaos, some fear. So these skin walkers, these
shaman become the Yi na Ayushi, and through wearing animal
pelts and doing some very dark deeds, you know, they
learn the ability to shape shift into certain animals, namely coyote,

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any predatory animal, because using a predatory animal's pelp it's
actually an insult to the Navajo religious belief because the
predators are very much, you know, highly regarded, So when
somebody wears that pelt, it's slindorous in a way. And
what the skinwalkers do is they try to cause chaos
and discord in their own people's religion.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Do you think that there is some misunderstanding and confusion
and crossover between what people are seeing as dog Man
and possibly the Windy.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
There could be, you know, there could be, because it's
no coincidence that the first dog Man encounter in eighteen
eighty seven, you know, was along the lines of the
swift Runner case, when a creed fur trader believed he
was a wind to Go and slaughtered his family. He
was executed at the gallows, and that story actually spread
really fast. So I got to wonder if maybe when

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the news went over to Europe, the Europeans were kind
of influenced by the Wind to Go, and you know,
they kind of bred it into their own beliefs of
monstrosities and demons and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Could you tell us some of the most profound stories
that you've heard, even more recent stories about windigo encounters.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
Yeah, there's a man whose name I can't mention on air,
but he was hunting and he felt like he was
being watched the whole time he was out there. And
this was down near Minnesota, which does have a lot
of windego reports. Instantly, and he claims he saw it
being had you know, glowing red eyes, and it looked
exactly like they depict when to go, And he shot
at this thing and there was no effect. He saw

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the bullet hit, it just didn't bring the thing down.
And he said the scream just like seemed to haunt him.
He had nightmares about this scream. So to me, that
does scream whend to Go.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Now, I've seen different depictions of this creature. Some have antlers,
some look like it's a skeletal animal being. What is
your best description of this?

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Well, I've really dove really deep into this. I've spoken
to different people from the various tribes, and I've gotten
their information. The most accurate version. I'm not sure if
you played the video game Until Dawn, No, no, okay, well,
if anybody in the viewers have seen that game, Until
don is actually the best rendition of the wind to Go.
The whole stag headed thing came from a hybridization of

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Norse mythology with Algonquin and Creem mythology. In their own
oral tradition, they never described the wendigo as having a
stag head. It was always a very skeletal being whose
lips were drawn back. Are very you know, skinny, very
very very skinny, very lanky. They were pretty much bald
and their skin would grow really pale. And I think
where the biggest misinterpretation comes from is also Aldernon Blackwood's book,

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because he depicted it as having antlers, But what he
really meant they were the branches. The Algonquin actually said
that the Wind to Go will gather branches and leaves
and shrubbery to act as a form of camouflage. So
there were really antlers, it's branches.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Interesting Now, going back to the dog Man or where Wolf.
Have you looked into the possibility that this is some
sort of black magic ritual where it allows an individual
to shape shift into these creatures?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
Absolutely, I mean sitting skinwalkers. You know, it was kind
of like a par for the course. But from my understanding,
and I could be wrong, I'll be the first one
to who I admit if I am the skinwalker, doesn't
turn into a bipedal form of the animal. He or
she turns into the actual animal. So like say he
wants to into a coyote, He's going to turn into
an actual coyote. But that coyote's gonna have human like eyes. Okay,

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so it's not gonna be bipedal, it's not gonna have
human arms. But I mean there could be something to that.
Maybe there's some form of skin walkerism that just kind of,
you know, got new powers or whatever. It became more
advanced and shape shifting so I can't really deny it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Now, what are some of the other types of cryptid
creatures that you've looked into? I see that you you
have the Dover Demon.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
What is this?

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
The Dover Demon was a pale humanoid creature that was
seen in Dover, mass It was actually seen walking along
a stone wall. And what's really interesting about that one
is it sounds a lot like the pale crawlers, the
pale humanoids that a lot of people are seeing, also
known as the Rake.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
Think that one ties into the you know, the Rake
in a way. Even though the Rake is a creepypasta,
there is precedence for it because there's a thing called
Ashman and some tribes referred to them as people before
the people. Now, big of that what you will. I
don't know if they mean like it was a tribe
that was there before them, or if it's some kind
of ancient civilization that just took the underground living. But

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they speak of them a lot in their mythologies.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
I've seen the videos supposedly of these ray creatures, but
I've also heard encounters and they seem very similar to
what people are calling the gray extra terrestrials too. The
way they appear.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
Yes, they do, and you know, it does make you
wonder if maybe there's an alien connection to these pale crawlers.
My buddy Nat Brislin, he studies these pale crawlers. He
wrote a book on that, you guys, I'll check that out,
you know. And I don't think he believes they're aliens,
but I like him, I kind of like to believe
they have an earthly origin, you know, that maybe they're
a subterranean civilization of sorts.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
Let's talk a little bit about your understanding of Bigfoot
and Sasquatch. Have you had any encounters with this being.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
I actually did have an encounter that I believe was
a Sasquatch, I do. I was out with a friend
and he wanted to go on a dog man investigation, ironically,
and so we went to a hill a series of
hills where I used to live, and it's you know,
there's nobody around, there's no houses nearby, and it was
probably about ten thirty eleven o'clock, so it was a
really dark night and it was just me and him

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and his two pit bulls. We had our bright lights
and everything. We're walking around I got this idea to
try call blasting, which is never really a good idea.
So I tried coyotes at first, and there was no
results from the coyotes. Coyotes an't answer back. Nothing else
answered back. And then I got the brilliant idea to
try the ohio howell okay? And I played that for
about five minutes and turables. I would start it, let

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it play for a five minutes, stop it, let it
play for another five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Now the ohio how? Is this supposedly a sasquatch call?

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
Yes, and it's a very chilling one too. Don't listen
to it at night, especially if you're by yourself. So
I let this thing play, and at first, maybe ten
fifteen minutes, there was no response, But then we started
hearing distant footsteps, and these footsteps sounded very heavy, not
just like a human being like you hear the thumb thump.
And it was dark, so we're looking around. We didn't

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see anything, and it went silent again, and we started
hearing like a rhythmic clapping, like something was clapping its hands,
you know, And we're looking around, very nervous here because
we're like, are we alone out here or somebody messing
with us, and we shined our lights in the direction
and we saw this figure that seemed like it was
maybe six and a half seven feet tall, but the

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eyes were glowing white, and when the lights hit it,
it ducked down.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
We started hearing like this kind of like whoop, whoop,
and that's when we said it. You know, we got
to get out of here. And even his pit bulls
were really big sized pit bulls, they started whining and
their tails were peeing on their legs. So these dogs
were scared of something, and you know that tells you
it's not a human, because pit bulls aren't gonna be
scared like a humili bad you know. So we decided
let's get out of here. So we started walking away slowly.

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We could hear whatever this was falling behind us, and
you know, it just it kept following us and following
us until we got out of there. Even when we
got out of that area, we could hear the whoop
who We could hear the clapping again. So I think
that was a big I mean, I don't have any
photographs to prove it, but I do believe that was
a big thing.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Now most of the encounters that come across this show,
not all of them. Some of them have been terrifying
for people, some of them have shown signs of aggression,
But most of the experiences with sasquatch from the individuals
that I'm aware of, have been mainly benevolent and have

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gone as far as to head some sort of interaction
with these beings, whether it's gifting or even telepathic communication.
This is something that's becoming more prevalent, it seems.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
I mean, when you hear bigfoot, you hear mind speak,
you hear cloaking, and that's becoming more of a common
thing these days, whereas back in the ninety it wasn't
all that common to hear of cloaking or mind speak,
you know. Back in those days, we always thought was
just some kind of eape roaming the woods. And nowadays
you get a wonder, what the heck are these things?

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
What is your understand what are your thoughts on what
these are?

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeap?

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
Similar to the dog man thing, I have to wonder
if maybe people are seeing like a tulpa like creature,
you know, And that's where the whole cloaking and the
mind speak and the imperviousness to bullets and what not
comes from. And it would only make sense if it
was a supernatural kind of thing they were seeing and
not the actual bagfoot itself.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Do you think it's possible this could be across the board.
What's happening with a lot of paranormal and unexplained events.
Is these this thought form or tulpa creation that we
collectively can manifest is based on the energy we put
into our thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
Yeah, if you asked me that about ten years ago,
out of like, Nah, come on, man, that's laughable. These
days though, I don't doubt anything. I really don't. I mean,
with the number of sightings people are having, the number
of ghost counters that are, you know, being told, the
way that spirits are manifesting all over the place, I
do have to wonder, you know, is it just our energies,
our thought energies just binding together and everybody seeing stuff

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because we think about it so much. Again, it's one
of those things I can't say for sure, but I
do believe in it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Yes, Going back to some of the unexplained creatures that
you are looking into the Beast of Bray Road, this
is one of the more famous cases, but even for
those that may not be familiar, tell us a little
bit about this and what have you come to an
understanding about this?

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
The Beast of Bray Road is where every dog Man
fan starts. Okay, and Linda Godfrey rests in peace to her.
You know, she really made this thing popular and she
gave it teeth so to speak, no point intended, you know,
And a lot of people have seen this Beast of
Brain Road, and it's kind of interesting because nowadays, you know,
you don't hear a lot of sightings on Bray Road,

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and not a lot of investigators go down here because
it's private property, you know. But I think a lot
of us, any of us that really believe in the
dog Man phenomena, would really love to go down to
bra Road and spend the night down there and see
if that vice of Bray Road comes out so we
can get a clear picture, because that's what we need.
We need a clear picture or clear video so we
can say, hey, everybody, the dog Man's real.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
What do you think about the areas the concentrated areas
of high strangeness and paranormal activity that are being investigated
by aerospace companies through letter agencies and government projects like
skin Walker Ranch, And there's a few other places here
in the United States that have some heavy interest in

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these areas that seem to have a concentration of these
creatures like skin walkers that manifest in these places. What
do you think is going on there?

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
So my take on that is, I find it very
interesting that all these areas of high strangeness were native
lands at one time, you know. And I think it's
because they were so in tuned with the earth and
its energies that you know, a lot of energy resided
there and it just it never went away, and that's
what we're seeing nowadays. To us, it seems unnatural. I

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think to the tribes, it belonged there, you know. And
I think a lot of these agencies are going, Okay,
how do we tap into this, you know? And I
don't think it's something we should ever learn how to
tap into. I think it's forbidden knowledge in a way,
and I think by tampering with it, we might bring
out some very very dangerous stuff like skin walkers and
possibly even when to go you never know. But I

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wouldn't mess with the energy there.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
I investigate it absolutely well. I love every moment of it.
Oh sure, And will I be worried about it? Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
I find it interesting that I've noticed there is two
different approaches being taken when it comes to the paranormal research.
You have your scientific and technological approach that seems to
just bring more questions and answers, and the phenomena whatever
it is, seems to be five to ten steps ahead

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of any technological exploration that's going on. And then they
have the other side, which is a more spiritual or
magical approach that seems to have results to where it
seems to interact more and you have more of a
display of the phenomena, but it's still something that seems

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like it's not supposed to be understood to the extent
that we're attempting to there. It's supposed to have some
sort of mystery to it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
It seems right right right, And I think that's kind
of the universe playing ats hand. Like you know, science isn'tcomplete, okay,
we don't have all the answers yet, so I think
as far as these spiritual phenomena go, science just hasn't
caught up yet, you know, and it's going to take
us a long time to actually catch up to this
to be able to answer things scientifically. But in the meantime,
we have to do it through the spiritual means, you know,

(01:38:59):
like that you see the people doing with the Ouiji
boards and the you know, the ghost boxes and whatnot,
the spirit boxes. You know, we have to accept that
kind of thing that one day that will be scientific
in a sense, you know, And will we ever fully
understand it? Probably not, you know, I don't think we're
meant to. I think we're meant to get some answers,
but I think the universe wants to remain a mystery
to us.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Well, while we're talking about answers and revelations that are
occurring right now, what are your thoughts on all the
extraterrestrial madness that's been occurring. First of all, there's there's
been obvious deceptions and here obvious misinformation, disinformation. I've never
trusted anything coming from our government or media. It is

(01:39:42):
interesting the timing and that it is it is coming
out at all in the way it is, especially with
you know, congressional hearings. We haven't we haven't had this
level of information about extraterrestrials come out from our government
in a very long time, and never in this way

(01:40:04):
with this much information. Now, of course, we had the
Mexican government come out the other day with what I
believe are just hoaxed bodies. I think that that is
a complete hoax. But it is interesting everything else that
is occurring, and the admission supposedly that we have non

(01:40:26):
human biologics and recovered crash from our government, which we
still have not been provided any evidence at all of
So I'm skeptical over it over all of it, but
I am completely fascinated at that it is unfolding the
way it is, and I'm very interested to see where
everything's going to go. What are your thoughts on all this?

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
For starters, I mean, I've always believed in aliens since
I was a kid, so I think they've been here
all and I think it's just getting to the point
where so many people know, they don't just believe, they
know that they exist, where the government's kind of going,
oh man, we can aftuate at this now, huh. But
they're going to do it in their own way. You know,
they're going to be like, well, here you go, here's
a spacecraft with its occupants. Here you go. They're not

(01:41:10):
going to do it that way. They're going to trickle
it out and hope we don't pay attention. I think
that's what their whole thing is is They're hoping we
won't pay attention, that will be too wrapped up in
politics or whatever, and they'll just trickle information out a
little bit by little bit, and that these hoaxes will
throw us off a little bit because they just don't
want to come out and say, hey, we're not alone
in the universe because they think people will panic, which

(01:41:30):
might be true, but I mean they have to stop
and think how many people already believe and already know,
So just go ahead and admit it. But as far
as the invasion goes, I've always had the opinion that
if they were going to it invaders, they would have
done it by now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent. I mean they they've had
a chance to invade us in destroy our planet a
million times over and it hasn't happened. I am more
concerned about what our own military and government is capable
of and savior. They have the capability and technology of
what we understand as extraterrestrial technology. If they have indep

(01:42:07):
reversed the craft what are they using it for? Why
are they approving the information to come out? Now? To me,
it can't be anything good. It's got to be something
having to do with rolling out war weapons of some sort.

Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
Oh yeah, definitely. I mean I think they're kind of
trying to distract us in a way. You know, they're
using the technology to create weapons of war, but they
don't want us to know that, you know, And I
think that's a really sad thing, because that technology could
be used to advance humankind rather than destroy it. You know,
if that's what they're doing for, shame on them.

Speaker 2 (01:42:39):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
You know, the military needs a smarter up and you know,
instead of using it for bad, use it for good.
This world needs some good.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
So you think there is a connection between extraterrestrials or
interdimensional beings and some of the paranormal phenomena we're seeing,
like the skin walkers and dogmen.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
Absolutely. I mean I've heard of, you know, encounters where
they've seen a bigfoot and then they've seen UFOs at
the same time. You know, when you hear stories like that,
you can't just dismiss it. You can't just cherry pike
it and take the Bigfoot encounter and then leave the
rest at the table. You have to take the whole
story and you have to consume that, and you have
to look at that. So if somebody saw a bigfoot
and then a UFO at the same time, was that

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bigfoot brought by that ufo or was that ufo accompanying
the bigfoot? Fort reason? There has to be a reason
to it, right, you know. So maybe some of these
bigfoot are extraterrestrial creatures. Who knows, you know, I mean,
it's a possibility. And so we have a big body
on a slab, or a bigfoot telling us where he
or she came from. Anything's a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
Tell us a little bit more about some of the
research that you've done into the Wind to Go. What
are some aspects that we have not covered yet?

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
Well, I mean I'm very much involved in the skin
Walker and Wind to Go research. I don't just go
online and google stuff. I actually take the time to
get to know the native people's I actually talk to
them and you know, earn their trust and hear their
traditional stories. And my whole mission with that is to
actually present stories of the One to Go into Skinwalker

(01:44:09):
in the ways that the tribes would do. That means
nothing added by me. You know, there's no horror elements
that I throw in there just to give you kicks.
This is going to be straight from the horse's mouth.
So people can learn how the Navajo and the Algonquin
and the Cree view these entities. They can get the
real true stories and can sink their teeth into that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
Amongst the Navajo and other Native traditions, there has been
intertwined stories of what they call star people and some
of the other supernatural beings that were speaking of.

Speaker 4 (01:44:43):
Right right, oh yeah, and you know, some of the
tribal tell me that these skinwalkers they eat not adushi
that I'm studying, have alien origins, that they weren't always
here on Earth, that they started as a star people,
you know. And that's a possibility to look into too.
I mean, I don't know how to prove that one
yet can't disprove it either, So you know, that's a
fascinating aspect to look at.

Speaker 1 (01:45:05):
What are some of the other stories and traditions that
you've learned about some of the creatures or even some
other creatures.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
Well, I've also looked into the native aspect of Bigfoot,
so I've been studying the Genosqua a lot, you know,
and that's kind of a vicious type of bigfoot that
I don't think anybody wants to run into. The name
Genosqua means Stonish giant, and according to their lore, their
bigfoot like creatures. They describe them as very large, very hairy,

(01:45:32):
heap like beings. Okay, but what's different from like, say
the Patty type you know in the Patterson Gimlin film.
This type of bigfoot makes it a point to actually
hunt human beings. It will purposely raid villages to steal men,
women and children to cannibalize. And where they get the
name Stonish giant from is they would roll into sap

(01:45:52):
and then roll in river rocks, so it created like
a pleak armor around them that would you know, damage
the arrowheads of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
You now, where does this legend come from?

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
From Canada? It's a Canadian big okay.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
And these things were so smart that you know, they
knew how to make traps, snare traps to capture braves,
and they would taunt the villages of the high pitched
whistle before they raided them. And you know, to me,
it shows a really aggressive kind of intelligence that's not
really commonly heard of with today's bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Are there any more modern accounts of these aggressive ones?

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
Yeah, there was actually a Genoskua seen in Ohio of
all places, you know, and that kind of got my
mind to thinking that maybe the genosqua, if they were
still alive, they're following the prey animals from Canada to Ohio.
You know, they're taking the game trails, which would make
sense if you're a hunter of any sort, human or animal,
You're gonna go where the prey goes, right, you know,

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So if a bigfoot has seemed like intelligence, wouldn't it
follow the prey? And maybe it just followed the prey,
the deer or whatever, you know, down to Ohio.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
Some of the researchers that have gone out and even
experienced that have witnessed these creatures have also reported many
different types of unexplained beings, nature spirits, little forest people,
little hairy people, even reptilian beings. Tell us a little
bit about some of these creatures that you've learned about.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
Well, the little people, it's funny, those are called puck
wedgies in some states. And I actually believe I had
an encounter with a little Person some years ago. So yeah, yeah,
you know, so I do believe that the puck Wedgies
exist and shadow people. Again, I think that's going back
to that whole interdimensional thing. You know, maybe we're just
seeing the residual of whatever kind of being that is,
and that's why it presents itself as a shadow. Same

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with the glimmer Man. You know how people say they
see like the predator like thing running around. I think
that's also an interdimensional being.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
Reptilians, I don't know. I'm a big fan of the
Wizardman of Skateboard Swamp, you know, so I always associate
reptilians with a Wizardman, but I think it's two different things.
If it remind me, oh, well, there's an alien that's
reptilian too, and I'm like, oh that's right. Yeah, okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
Ah well, I like to go back to the thought
of the thought form where the tulpa creation or collective aggrigors,
because it seems that the more that we collectively talk
about these things, the more we make movies and films
and create these through our imagination, the more people are

(01:48:27):
actually seeing this. And I think it's highly possible that
the power of our imagination can manifest these things into
our reality, and it's a lot of what we understand
as paranormal. I was talking with a paranormal investigator and
demonologist the other day that believes that a lot of

(01:48:47):
poltergeist activity is coming from the power of our own
thoughts and mind, that we create such energy that we
could possibly be moving objects with our mind and not
even realizing it, and then we go and blame a
ghost and it makes the entire experience even worse. So
that's an interesting thing to consider.

Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
Yeah, I consider that a lot. I mean, I don't
know if you're a Bruce Lee fan, but Bruce Lee
once said that you should never say negative words about
yourself because words have power. I'm a firm believer in that.
You know, usually if a man is in a you know,
convinced self he's gonna die tomorrow, he goes out and
finds a way to make it happen. So we do
manifest things. We manifest our destiny, We manifest things that
we want to bring into our lives. So why couldn't

(01:49:29):
we do that with the paranormal, you know, I mean,
speaking about it, thinking about it, acting upon it. I
do believe that could bring energies into our world, where
certain events happen that we transpire as you know, and go, oh,
that's a polter geist, but really it's our own energy
reflecting back at us.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
Do you think that we are accepting these experiences and
people are reporting them more because it's becoming more of
a widespread phenomena and acceptable because of social media and
ease of access to the inner or do you think
it's it is manifesting more. Are people are having more genuine,

(01:50:07):
unexplained experiences because of the time period we're in.

Speaker 4 (01:50:11):
I think it's a little bit of both. I really do.
I think that, you know, a lot more people are
experiencing these things, and I do think it's you know,
it's more common these days, and it's more relatable where
people aren't embarrassed to say, hey, I had this happen
at this house, or hey I saw this like Harry
eight running through my yard. We're no longer at that
time where people laugh at you and point at you
and make fun of you, you know. So I think

(01:50:31):
it's a little bit of both. I really do think that,
you know, social media has brought us all together, and
I think that was meant to happen. You know, I
think it's great. I think that people are finally opening
up and that we can talk to each other and
we can start working on these things together.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
Now, what are your thoughts on the possibility that these
are all consciousness evolutions spiritual experiences that in the in
a sense of a thought form creation in along this
lindes that we create these experiences for ourselves to spiritually
grow and have these new understandings and awarenesses that we

(01:51:10):
wouldn't normally have. That if indeed we this this reality
is some sort of experiential plane that we're outside of.
Maybe we are in control of our experiences to a
certain aspect spiritually, and we create these because we need
to have this experience to have a certain understanding.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
I think it's a possibility. I'm just hoping that it's
something more, you know. I mean as far as like
things like Bigfoot and Dogman Go. You know, I'm hoping
that those are something that we will discover someday that
will actually have proof of That way, the rest of
the world, the naysayers will see that we weren't crazy, Okay,
that it wasn't our mind playing tricks on us that
we weren't going through some kind of weird phase, that

(01:51:55):
there really are these things in our world. You know
that they're out there, and I think that would do
a world of wonder for everybody. You might actually bring
more people together.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
It seems like we're not supposed to have that complete
understanding yet. There are theories that these beings are in
a way trying to prepare us for their existence. But
until we're collectively ready enough, we will never have that proof.
We'll never have that definitive answer about any of this

(01:52:27):
until we're collectively ready, and these are indeed spiritual beings
that are trying to prepare us. I've heard of plenty
spiritual experiences with Bigfoot, shamanic experiences, that people have bigfoots
as their spirit guides and have had astral experiences with them.
So and I have had my own experiences not with Bigfoot.

(01:52:50):
But the understandings that I've come to is a lot
of these beings, if you want to consider inner dimensional,
if you even think that they're just thought forms, that
they are trying to evolve us spiritually in some way.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
I think they have a long way to go. I mean,
we as humans, we're a very panicky lot, okay, and
to know that we're not the apex predator. A lot
of humans are not going to like that, you know,
And I think that they have a lot of work
to go. They have a lot of work ahead of
them that we just have to learn to open our
minds a lot more, you know. I mean, we've come
a long way. We have definitely come a long way,

(01:53:25):
I won't deny that, but we still have much further
to go. So if these people, these things are spiritual beings,
then yeah, they got to work a little bit harder
here because I don't think the world's just ready just yet.

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
Now, going back to extraterrestrials, there are of course many
different schools of thoughts when it comes to the reality
and possibilities, and people have had their own experiences which
I cannot discount. But many of the experiences, when you
step back and look at them, seem to have a

(01:53:58):
nefarious nature about them, but also a human element. There's
many other abductions that people report having the military, some
sort of military individual. There a human there during these experiences,
which if that's the case, that tells me we are
involved in some level. And when there is human involvement.

(01:54:22):
It seems that's where the nefarious aspects come into play,
usually because the other experiences from people who are contactees
that have more etheric and astral experiences where they're being
taught things and they're learning and they're healing trauma and
all these wonderful things are happened to them, are much
different than the other experiences of abduction where people are

(01:54:45):
reporting hybridization, DNA experiments, military involvement along with these unknown
creatures that have been taking them. That also could point
to that we are manufacturing a lot of this on
a black ops level, that it could be a psychological
operation when it comes to it, just the dark aspects

(01:55:08):
of it. I don't think it's all manufactured. I think
that the positive experiences do have much more to them,
But we are being deceived in a large on a
large scale by the human element of this.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
What do you think, right?

Speaker 4 (01:55:22):
You know, I've always thought that, like with those really
terrible abductions, that the military is at play, that the
government's you know, doing some nasty things that they shouldn't
be doing. And I know a lot of people will
say extraterrestrials are demons, right, And when I hear that,
I'll entertain it, But I like to quote Captain Kirk,
what does God need with the starship? You know, so

(01:55:42):
they were demons, why would they need spaceships to travel,
you know? And why would they just abduct us? Wouldn't
a demon want to ruin us completely and you know,
take our lives away? So I do think that there
is some human involvement there that you know, it's the
various stuff, it's insidious stuff, and I don't think it's
always the aliens responsible. And I think we got a
kind of learn to differentiate the sol you know, that

(01:56:03):
we have to start looking for certain clues as to
you know, which side did this? The aliens are the humans,
you know, because humans, by nature we're pretty evil, sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
One hundred percent. And when we're looking at this from
the negative side, there are those that believe in claim
to have even met their hybrid children that have that
have come from these experiments, whether it's extraterrestrials or humans
that are doing them, that we are creating some sort

(01:56:35):
of altered human that has been slowly been integrated into
society somehow. What do you think about that possibility?

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
You know, I've always wonder if maybe like extraterrestrials know
what kind of future is ahead of us, you know,
I mean, with all the wars that we have going
on and just the way we mess things up as humans,
maybe they know that our future isn't so bright and
that these hybrids are kind of what we need, know
that this is how we're going to survive, you know.
I mean, I could be really far off base with this,

(01:57:05):
but that's my belief that I think there's some kind
of really bad ending for our humankind and these hybrids
are the ones that are going to show people this
is how you survive this sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Yeah, we're definitely in interesting times now when it comes
to exploration of these creatures and people's experiences. Have they
had any areas primarily that are more active when it
comes to dog Man or windi Go that you've heard
of than any other areas. Are There are some areas

(01:57:36):
that have more concentration of these creatures.

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
It used to be that Bigfoot was a big thing,
you know, that was the one that everybody was researching.
But nowadays it seems like dog Man is all the craze.
There's not a lot of people out there that study
the Wind to Go or the skin Walker, which I
think is a shame. I think these people are really
missing out, you know, because if they like the scary
stories and the horror element, I don't see why you'd
skip over the Skinwalker or the Wind to Go Man.
That stuff's pretty dark. There's stuff that I've read that

(01:58:02):
you know, I'll read it at night and I'll be like, yep,
I'm not going to sleep now. But I can see
why the Bigfoot in dog Man arenas have more activity
because it's something that you can actually prove. I think
there's hope of proving Bigfoot is out there. There's hope
of provem that Dogman is out there. Whereas proving the
Wind to Go. Yeah, I might have beitten off more
than I can chew with that one, but we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
All right on, Well, for the last few minutes, who
you have, maybe we could get into some Wind to
Go encounter stories that you've heard about.

Speaker 4 (01:58:31):
Okay, Well, the most infamous one is the story of
swift Runner. He was a Cree fur trader and he's
actually pretty much shroud and mystery. There's different stories about
his early life out there. Some people say that he
was a chief of a tribe, and that he liked
to tip his elbow a bit too much, and he
would get drunk and just turn a little villages into

(01:58:52):
small hells. But there's another story too where he was reliable.
He was a really nice person and swift werner, I
should tell you. He was six foot three. He was
a very big person. And in the winter of eighteen
seventy nine, he took his family, his wife, his mother
in law, and his three children along the fur trading

(01:59:14):
route that he normally goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
Well, a couple of.

Speaker 4 (01:59:17):
Weeks after he left, he came back. He returned to
Fort Saskatchewan, and he was telling the people in the
tavern how he had to eat his family, how food
was scarce, there was nothing to eat, and he murdered
his family because he was the Wind to Go. And
they thought, maybe, oh, he's drunk, you know, he's inebriated,
the firewater is getting to his brain. But once he

(01:59:38):
sobered up, he was still saying the same thing, you know,
And he confided in a priest named Father Laeduke that
for months he was having nightmares of the Wind to Go.
You know, in the Algonquin tribe, it's common practice to
have these quagonaut, these dream spirits in your dreams, it's
something that they practice. But to have the wind to

(02:00:00):
go in your dreams, it's forbidden because they believe that
if you dream of the wind to go, you're thus
becoming the wind to go. So back to the story,
he led a group of people to the cabin which
he stayed with his family, and sure enough, the only
thing that remained were bones, and ever so casually he
walked over to a skeleton and he picked it up

(02:00:22):
and showed the magistrates and he's like, this was my wife,
and he just tossed it aside, and he showed how
he cracked open the bones and sucked out the marrow.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
Jeez. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:00:33):
So you know what happened eventually is he was hung
at the gallows. It was actually the first natural hanging
in that territory of Canada, so it was very historical.
But when he died, now there's another couple of stories here.
When he died, some people say that his tribe took
him and hit his body away. Other stories say that
his body was actually butchered, that they cut up into

(02:00:56):
various pieces, and they took different parts of his body
and buried in different and territories in Canada so that
the Windigo could not come back. So that story right
there is it's bone chilling, man. I mean to think
that somebody would actually do that. You know, you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (02:01:12):
That is creepy. Now have you heard of any more
modern stories of Windigo or even skinwalker? One more to
close out on?

Speaker 4 (02:01:20):
Okay, So a skinwalker there is a very modern one.
It's actually something that happened here in the town that
I'm staying in. It's a young Native man, right, he
was camping in one of the mountain ranges here and
he started hearing mimicry. It was his mom's voice calling
his name. But here's the rubb of that part. His
mom died five years ago. So as he was, you know,

(02:01:43):
searching for this voice, he realized it's not my mother.
This is the voice of an olushi and he was terrified.
I mean, as a Navajo, Yeah, he's definitely terrified of this.
But he found a necklace made of bone, and he
did show this me physically, and he's actually promised to
take me to the spot where he's seen this thing.

(02:02:05):
So I'm going to go on an actual skinwalker investigation
and see if it really is a skinwalker that was
hunting this boy.

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
I've heard him here. Yeah, I've heard of these stories before,
where these different cryptid beings, and I've heard of one
that was particularly creepy that a guest told me years
ago about he heard whoever the witness was that he's
talking about, heard a baby crying and it was out

(02:02:32):
in the middle of the woods, and he kept following
the crying for some stupid reason. And when he actually
pulled open this area of shrubs and heard that the
it sounded like the baby was crying right behind it.
It was like a seven foot tall bigfoot creature mimicking

(02:02:52):
a baby crying, and then it growled or yelled at him,
made his chest vibrate, and the dude just took off run.
So that's one of the more creepy stories. But I've
heard this with other different types of beings, not just
dog men, skim walker or bigfoot, that they're mimicking these
sounds of humans to I guess attract them to them,

(02:03:14):
or something that's creepy as hell.

Speaker 4 (02:03:16):
We as humans, we're easy to beat in. You know,
we're curious by nature. So if we hear a baby
cry or a child calling to us, you know we're
gonna go look, you know. So I think these cryptids know, hey,
we can glurre them in. If we talk like a child,
you know, they'll come right over and check us out.
I think we got a smart up a little bit.
I mean personally, if I heard a baby cry out
in the middle of nowhere, I'm gone, Man, I'm out

(02:03:38):
of there. I'm not even gonna bother checking it out.
I'm justnna be.

Speaker 1 (02:03:40):
Like bye, yeah, one hundred percent. Or Ryan, this was great, man,
thank you so much. Yeah, before you head out, let
the audience know if they want to find out more
about you, check out all your content. What's the best
way for them to do so?

Speaker 4 (02:03:54):
Well, you can find me on Facebook under Ryan Paul Trembley.
You can find me on Instagram under that cryptid Rhino.
You can find me on Twitter under Ryan Trembley. So
give me a follow, and if you get me on Facebook,
you know, hey, talk to me. I encourage interaction. I
love the interaction. If you want to have conversation, I
am all there for it. So you know, hit me up,

(02:04:15):
find me on Facebook and request me and I'll accept you.

Speaker 1 (02:04:17):
Guys, wonderful Ryan, thank you so much. We'll do this
again in the future, and until next time, everywhere

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