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I want to welcome back to the show John Kerwin.
He has served in full and part time ministry as
a worship leader and pastor for over thirty years. He
is the founder of Wake Up or Else, an online
Christian fellowship for the Truther community, which has been providing
insight into the Truther's journey since twenty seventeen. John, Welcome back.

(01:42):
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Great, great Chris, Good to be with you and your
subs and subscribers and looking forward to our conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Man, Yes, always an amazing conversation, but today I thought
we could really take a look at the positive things
unfolding as well. Is offering more solutions for those that
are in any stage of their awakening process, whether you
just woke up recently after the covid op or you've
been aware for a while. I think everyone has pieces

(02:13):
of the puzzle, and when we learn from each other,
we grow collectively, and with the enhanced awareness, we can
navigate these murky conspiratorial waters and try not to get
lost down the rabbit holes that lead to insanity. Really,
so we're gonna have fun with this. We got a
lot to talk about before we get into this. Remind

(02:35):
the audience just a little bit about yourself and what
you're working on.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Right. I'd love to pick up on the statement you
just made two rabbit holes that lead to insanity. And
it sounded like in our pre interview we were talking
about the hope message doesn't play well in the truth
or community. Anybody that tries to it like how but positive,

(03:01):
you know, any type of optimism is slammed as naive.
And you know, you're not really in the know unless
you believe that God's completely done with humanity. All we
got from here on in is smashing, you know, judgment, death, destruction.
Everybody that's anywhere in the public sector is completely a shill.

(03:22):
And I'm pulling the covers over my head because there's
nothing I can do right. So yet you're seeing incredible
victories happening, like the judge that overturned Trudeau's decision to
you know, use the banks to punish people. So is

(03:44):
that judge a shill? He did the right thing, And
so the shill idea is that that judge did that
as a part of an elaborate scheme to draw us
into complacency or something like that. Do you see the
truckers and the and the farmers in the EU. The
EU farmers said enough, you guys are gonna kill us,

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So we're gonna go for broke and they drove their
tractors into the bas Steele right and they won. The
government conciliated, reversed their position and gave them four hundred
million dollars in subsidies. So what's my point? My point
is that, yeah, if you look at the biblical timeline

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of what's what's in front of us, it doesn't get
better and better. I get it. I'm not saying piece
piece when there is no peace. I'm not naive. I'm
not like saying I know something. You don't know. What
I'm saying is that on the way down to the
pits of Hell, we can have all these incredible victories.
And isn't that what we're supposed to be doing, not

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just spectating or pulling the covers over our head. It's
to sum it up, I use war from Star Trek.
The Klingons had an incredible culture of being warriors, and
when they were faced with certain death, they would say
stuff like today is a good day to die?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Right?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Isn't that a better? Like? Had to come out all
this with because I'm sick of the you know, the
truthers that are naively and superficially analyzing what's happening in
the geopolitical realm. I'm sick of it, and I'm not
as scared of you, truther. I'm not like intimidated by
your condescending tone that because I believe that there are

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people that are still in positions of power that aren't
anti human and are working in favor of humanity not
being annihilated. That doesn't make me a stupid, deceived truther
or certainly not a shill. Right will is somebody that's

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knowingly lying. And so you know, this whole narrative that
everything is we're all doomed is not working for me.
And I don't know what you think about that.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
There is this not only infiltration in the conspiracy community,
but there are certain people who are propped up and
maybe not even knowingly. They might not even realize why
they're being propped up by the algorithms, why they're getting

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so many downloads, why they're being invited to speak at conferences.
But some people are aware that they are playing on
the wrong side of things. They're intentionally muddying the waters.
And we have different layers and levels of deception that
we're dealing with in this community right now. Part of

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it is orchestrated, and part of it is just people
that don't understand the bigger picture that are trying to
get in on this, that are trying to get their
cells out there, that are trying to gain notoriety in
some ways. So you have to be very cautious on
how you navigate some of the information coming out right now.

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But there is so much doom and gloom porn out
there when it comes to the information that we're trying
to decipher through. And it's been like that since the beginning,
since the beginning of my awakening, I've had to decipher

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through this apocalyptic information that most people gravitate towards. You
get those big numbers, you get those hits. If you
have like a mushroom cloud in your thumbnail and it
says biblical war occurring now, apocalypse or something like that,
you're gonna get plenty of downloads. And I started out

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doing what I'm doing in that space. I was in
a very negative space. It was all doom and gloom
for a while. I was reporting on the tragedies occurring
around the world and the lizard people abducting people, ciud
trafficking and horrible.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Things which are true Okay, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
They are true, Yes, but you get lost.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
That's right, right, exactly. So let's do an analysis as truthers,
because truthers go wherever the truth leads them. We're not
we don't do decrees. Oh he's a shill, Well, how
do you know, Well, I saw him do a secret handshake. Okay,
do you have any other evidence other than that that
the guy is a deceptive liar? No? Okay, well I

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have all this other infover here that says he's not
a liar. So I'm not going to accept the fact
that he's a shill because of your decree. I need evidence. Okay,
So let's look at this one example. Trudeau recently, in
an interview, made the statement that conspiracy theorists are successfully

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undermining mainstream media. Okay, now, you and I are both
censored are as social media content creators, which to me
indicates that are that what he's saying is actually true
because I know I'm not a shill and I know

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you're not a shill. All right, So we're journalists. We're
citizen journalists who are motivated by a love for the
truth and to make a difference. We want a legal legacy.
You know, whatever our motivations are, it's not because somebody
over here is paying us to say what we're saying.
These are our opinions, and they're genuine, you know, we're

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what you see is what you get. So this guy, however,
is not genuine. He's bought and paid for. He's Castro's offspring,
he's a he's a globalist operative under the thumb of evil, right,
and so he's admitting publicly and that the conspiracy theorist

(10:09):
people are having a huge impact on their agenda. Now,
my position is, whenever you see something like that in
the news, I call it the data sphere. There's always
like four or five levels of truth behind what he's saying,
and depending on where your head's at, you're going to

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analyze it. Based on that level of truth, you can
talk just politics, because there is a real political realm.
Even though it's populated by clones and body doubles, it's
still there, right, it's still operating. Like Biden is not
the Biden that served in the US corporation all these years.
It's a different guy, and he's wearing a mask, right, However,

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he's still there. He's there.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Now, you tell a normal that's really not into this,
that the president of the United States, what we perceived
this filler to be is actually a dude in a
mask or even sometimes cgi right exactly. Sometimes you can't
even tell if he's really where he's at. He's got

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his hand going through physical objects, he's his face is
melting off. Sometimes it's insanity. You try to tell a
normal person that and they're checking out. They're like, nah,
you're nuts.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Well, for those for those who might be leaning in
that direction, we saw the Pope come and address the
people at the Pope at the balcony and as he
turned around he disappeared bo. You can see that on you,
and then you could see there's been four or five
different Hillary Clinton's. The most glaring example is Jamie Fox
recently succumbed to the vax. He went away and when

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he came back, his skin was two or three shades lighter,
his head was shaped differently. He does. It's a really
bad clone. So they have clones, and there's there's hundreds
of examples of clones. They clone Dolly the sheep back
in the sixties or seventies. Remember that, you don't think

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if they can clone a sheep that they wouldn't clone
a human. Come on, all right, So going back to Trudeau,
so he says, we're actually making a difference. Now there's
the geopolitical discussion. Then above that there's the discussion of
the of the planners, the central planners who control this guy.

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So that's the Builderberg and Davos, and these things are
planned decades in advance, and then they get rolled out
when the time is right. So what he's talking about
now has already been anticipated. They're trying to co opt
the truth movement. Now they're desperate, you know, whatever their

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motivations are. But that's really what's happening. He's a puppet.
He's just being controlled by these groups, which are then
controlled by the think tanks, the Bank of International Settlements.
Above that is all these think tanks, and then above
that is these groups that are really shadowy, like you know,
the Group of the Group of three hundred, the Pinyard

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all these really really shadowy groups that are run by
the elites, which we know little about. So where do
you want to have the conversation? Because what's our goal? Right?
What is our objective? And being a truther, I think
the first objective is that we have an instinct for survival.

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We just don't want them to slow kill us. So
we then also have an objective to wake up other people.
So if you still aren't too high, if you're talking
to enormy and you're talking about you know, these people
that run the world are actually not even human. They
you know, they're like descendants from the Ananochi or the
the Uh, they're the nephelim offspring lines, the bloodlines. Well there,

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you're gonna lose them, right, So you're gonna come down
a few levels. So you want to you want to
wake up people because you know, the Karens of the
world are going to get us killed. If we don't
stop the normies from complying with all of the tyranny,
they are going to get us killed. So part of
our objective in being a truther is to wake up

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other people. Good luck with that, right, uh. But then
are also we we tend to want to get off
the pot and engage the enemy, go on to the
field of battle, like creating a podcast like you have
and I have. I wrote a book, right, the Conspiracy
Theorist Survival Guide. Now we have a podcast, The Conspiracy

(15:01):
Theorist Survival Guide podcast. Why because I'm not put here
for fun, fun seasons in the sun. I exist to
bring change and you know do things. Yeah, love people
have love, you know, have relationships. Really the only thing
that measures your value in this world is how many

(15:23):
people show up to your funeral. I get it. Well,
let's be honest. Come on, you know, you know God
works six days, so we're not really designed to sit
on the beach and drink my ties for our entire life.
Like Harris Hilton, you know, if you had five hundred million,
would you really just be a debutante? I wouldn't. I

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want to be.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
No, man, I can't survive unless I'm working, thank you.
It drives me nuts exactly.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
So it's glory. That's the paycheck of heaven. The paycheck
of the Truther is to get glory. Okay, Like I
get posts from PEP. I got an email yesterday and
the person told me in their email that as they're
writing the email to me, they're weeping because of the
live streams that I've done and the things I've done
have been their lifeline. Well that's glory, brother, That's the

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paycheck of the Truther is to bring change to a
dying world. Come on, man, what are you living for?
And not only that, another thing is you get a
little ticked off when you realize you're being led around
by the nose. I mean, if you're a red blooded
human being, you don't take kindly to being slow killed

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and enslaved. So there's a matter of principle to this
thing too. Like my wife divorced me. Up to twenty
four years of marriage, my kids barely talk to me now.
And what I found after that started happening to me
was that's actually common, which is why I wrote the book,

(16:58):
because I found people posting every day to my channel. Yeah,
John my kiss, don't talk to me. Yeah, I was
divorced by my spouse. I couldn't believe how universally the
same are experiences with finding out the moon landing as sake,
and then you just freaked out. So then you've come
to nine to eleven and it freaks you out even more,

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and then you find out what's next the underground basis,
and then chemtrails right, and then the whole political system
is sake, and it just keeps going on and on.
And I finally did a talk It's called It's called help.
I have more than ten rabbit holes in my portfolios.
The more rabbit holes you're nown, the less you could

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coexist with normies who don't want to know You're like,
you're a range of deck chairs on the Titanic. What's
about with you? They don't care? You know.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I think that we are in more control than we
believe that we are. I think that everyone, even the
most dangerous, disgusting lizard person, psychotic minded person that you
could ever imagine. I believe even that person has the

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ability to change and see the light and go to
the good side of things. I used to think that
it was always this top down pyramid structure of control
and power, but I'm not so sure anymore. I think
that everybody is playing a role, whether they even realize

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it or not, and even trickling down to the lowest levels.
In our own community, we are enabling those at the top.
We are allowing them to do things. Why because we're
consuming their products, We're participating in the agendas that they're
putting forward. So we all have a part to play

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in where we're at right now, and ultimately we can
control where we're going to go next just by being
away that we messed up and we played a part
in our detriment and where we're at right now, but
it's never too late to change. And like I said,
I think everybody, even you're what you would consider you're

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in PC as the capability to come online and see
the light and make change. And I think that we're
seeing that right now. We're seeing more and more of
these people, even the ones that we think are part
of the global elite. They may not even be knowingly
a part of this. They may be just playing their role,

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and maybe one day they'll realize that the role they're
playing is causing more harm than good for humanity. And
it's all possible. And I think that's part of what
we're seeing unfolding now. And I think things are just
going to continue to get better and better.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Right Like I kind of go back and forth on
what I think is real, Like I see the trans apocalypse,
where if you've ever looked into the trans apocalypse, when
I realized that most of the people that I see
in the media, that's in the newscasters, that's CEOs of companies,

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military industrial complex people, politicians, governments, heads of states, the
majority of them are the opposite the man is the
woman and the woman is man. Right. Michael Obama. Obama's
gay and he's married to a guy. Right, So that's typical.
It's so pervasive that it has to be some sort

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of a breeding program. And you think, where the heck
am I? What kind of Petri dish am I in?
Or you see things that have been orchestrated over decades
to come out a certain way, where the central planners
have such a mastery of control over world events.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
That it just now. Don't get me wrong. I do
believe there are people definitely part of this system and
very aware of how detrimental and evil they are, and
some of these people that you just mentioned I believe
could be part of that. So I think it's a
mix of everything. I think there are people that are
fully aware that they're on this evil timeline and they

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embrace it and they perpetuate it, and then those that
are also on evil timelines but they're not aware that
they are on this evil path. They think they're doing
it for a greater good or for a good reason.
So there's everything in between, and it gets difficult to

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decipher and dangerous at times to just outright call someone
a lizard person or an NPC or an evil entity
when there are shades of gray in between everywhere, and
it's something that again we once we become aware of this,
it gets easier to navigate.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Oh, one hundred percent. Like I think we all agree
that the higher up you go, let's use the pullolitical
realm as our topic. Okay, the higher up you go
into political offices, the less chance you have of somebody
actually being in there who has a soul that's like
a public servant. Right, you can't get in unless you

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drink blood and sacrifice children. Basically, all right, we all
agree with that. However, there's wild cards. For instance, God
raised up Cyrus to deliver the children of Israel. God
raised up an evil king to do his work for
the good of humanity. So one of my objections is

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everybody's a shill narrative, is that it discounts God intervening
because God is in control and God still gives victories
to those who will step out in faith to do good.
Like there was a story in the Old Testament of
the ten Spies. They were sent in to spy out
the land, and they came back with the report said

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there's giants in the land, and we looked like grasshoppers
to them. That was eight of them, and their knees
were knocking together, and they were like, everybody's a shill oh.
And then but there was two spies that were like,
we are well able to take the land. And then
later on it says about the two spies that they

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had a more excellent spirit. I'm like, I want to
be those two guys. Another example was David when he
was just a teenager. He hadn't been crowned king yet,
but he was a shepherd boy and he watched over
the sheep and God delivered a lion. A lion attacked
the sheep and he killed it with his slingshot. And

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then a bear attacked the sheep, and he killed that
thing with a slingshot. And so now he comes down
where Goliath is challenging the armies of Israel, and they
were scared of this giant. And he saw the giant
and he was like, who is this uncircumcised philistine defies
the armies of God? And he of course went out

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and killed the giant. So that's the more excellent spirit.
The more you know, no matter what is happening in
the political realm or above, we the good, the paladins
of this world, can have the victory if we choose it.
We may get hauled off to a camp someday, but

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in the meantime, we're gonna kick some ass. Right, We're
gonna kick ass on the way to the camp. Who's
with me? Because in the power structure, you're right, there
is a lot of compartmentalization. So you've got people that
work at NASA that actually believe that they're doing stuff.
I know, Dave Beverley told me he worked with NASA

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and he didn't know the Earth was flat. He didn't
know that a lot of the stuff that he was
working on was not real, which seems impossible, but he
did it. He was there. And so you also have
factions within the deep state. Do you honestly believe that
all of the different factions of the deep States are

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singing kumbaya. You've got the Russian Mob, You've got the
Chinese Deep State, You've got the White Dragons of Asia,
the p Three Masons, you've got the Rockefeller dynasty, which
is Bush, Clinton, Obama. That's a whole and they're like
one of the most anti human We're going to kill

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off eighty ninety percent and rule over you what's left.
But the White Dragons were like, no, no, we don't
want to kill off everybody. We know where you live
and will come and kill you. So let's apply that
idea to Trump. Because what doesn't make sense to me
is that all of the attacks on Trump are fake attacks,

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because that's what the narrative is in the Truther community.
He's a shill, he's part of the deep state. Well,
you might be right and wrong. In other words, he
really doesn't want you dad. Now, before I go further,
I'm not pro Trump and I don't put any hope
in him, and I do believe he's a shill, but

(26:15):
not the way you think. Because just like we have
the Democrat Republican narrative, which you know is totally meaningless
because they control whichever president you vote for, they still
control the guy, I believe Trump is a part of
a similar higher level narrative, which is the white hat

(26:36):
black hat narrative. Okay, the majority of Truthers are putting
Trump in the category of a black hat shill, So
he's actually working against humanity to enslave and kill us
as a black hat posing as a white hat. But
what's more probable, more rational, is that he is a

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white hat hill where you have the nihilistic end of
the world black hat evil people, and then you have
the good, nihilistic end of the world people. Okay, So
in other words, they're all Freemasons that are going to

(27:20):
implement the no Hide laws and chop all the Christians
heads off anyway, but in the meantime, they're going to
release the med beds and zero point energy, and we
may have a renaissance under the white hats, but ultimately
there's still Freemasons controlled by Satan, and they're not going
to give Christians any slack. You will go to the
camps unless you take the mark or whatever. And so

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therefore Trump isn't what he appears to be. However, you
may have an alternative explanation is you have these factions
where they're not anti human. They want they want to
allow human to thrive, because that's what he seemed to
want to do. However he wants to rule over you. Well,

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I'll vote for that instead of the other. Would you
rather vote for Hillary or you don't believe your vote
counselor I get it. My thing is we have limited
options when we're looking at these world leaders as far
as how we can influence that, we can influence it
at the local level. That's for sure. Yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
I don't think it's ever going to be as bad
as they would like us to think it is, or
as it appears in the media on TV, everything that
we've experienced through COVID, everything that they're starting to project now,
disease X, world War three. All you have to do

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is go outside and walk around your neighborhood and talk
to your community, and all that stuff doesn't exist there.
It's only when you turn on the TV and the
radio and you plug into the matrix and pay attention
to the fear that they're pumping out there, because this
is the controlling factor they have to keep you terrified

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that these things are going to happen, that this is
the inevitable future that we're going to see death, destruction,
economic collapse, war, alien invasion, all these terrifying things that
they keep pumping into our consciousness to keep us in
this state of fear so that we don't break free
and just realize it's never going to be that bad. Yes,

(29:31):
we're in a paradise. We just have to become aware
of that.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Really, I'll tell you, it seems like the truth of
community is getting fed these narratives. So in other words,
when you found out the moonlanding was fake, that was
then entry point for a lot of people. Mine was
I found out the Federal Reserve wasn't federal. But then
what happens is you say, well, if that's not true,

(29:56):
what else isn't true? And you start going down on
the rabbit holes. And every time you realize another rabbit hole,
you think you've arrived. You're like, well, now I'm in
the know. Well, then you find out the next rabbit
hole they're spraying us with aluminum particular and barium salts
and nano particular from the skies. And you show your

(30:18):
friends and family, look, the skies are tic tac toe
like and they just go, oh, those are just contrails,
And you just like, what does the sky have to
be on fire for you to understand that they're spraying
us like bugs. You find out about floor right in
the water, You find out about underground bases and cloning

(30:38):
and reptilians. Look at every civilization going back to the Sumerians,
it starts in the Book of Genesis with a talking
snake standing upright. It's all through history that these reptoids,
these reptilians have somehow ruled the world from the shadows. Okay, well,

(30:58):
you know you think you've arrived. Well, then now we're
we find out the earth is flat. That was a bombshell.
Then you know, you're like, whoa, I'm really awake. Then
you find out the Mandela effect is morphing your reality,
and for me, that means the Bible is also changing.
That's my primary message over the last seven years is

(31:22):
a biblical analysis of the Mandel effect. How could the
Bible be changing, because well, well guess what. We're now
being exposed to a whole new raft of discoveries. The
most recent one that has knocked a lot of us
in the Christian community between the eyes like a two
by four is this idea that we living in the

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period of time that the Bible talks about after the
millennial ring, and we're I'm almost completely convinced that it's true,
which changes all of the way I analyze everything I'm
seeing in the news. So what the Bible tells us
is after the millennial rate, so that means you've already
had the mark of the Beast, You've already gone through

(32:07):
the tribulation, You've had Jesus rule on the earth for
a thousand years, and now we're in the period of
time after that when the Bible says this, and after
the millennium rare and the Satan will be loosed for
a little while to deceive the nations. That's all we get.
That's all you're told. Okay, well guess what. There is

(32:28):
incredible evidence that that has actually happened and we are
in this period of time. Well, now that means I
got to interpret everything that I'm seeing completely differently from
a ten thousand mile view that we're not going into
the tribulation. It's already happened. Now, this is not fretterism,

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which needs to spiritualize the new revelation and say well
it doesn't really mean that. No, this is way different.
We have the mud floods, we have the melted buildings,
we have the impossible architecture of these chure all over
the world that we're told we're built in a year

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or two with no power tools, with quarries for a
million pounds of marble required to build this one building,
and they supposedly built it in two years. Well, this
guy calculated the quarry that we're told it came from
is three hundred miles away. If they had fifty horse
and carriages working twenty four hours a day, it would
have taken them ten years to get all the marble there,

(33:33):
just to get it there. So we're being lied to
for sure about these buildings. It's like the Pyramids. I mean,
do you really believe the Pyramids were built with slaves
and ropes and pulleys. These buildings are the same thing.
There's no way we could build these buildings today. Somebody
had tons of time and resources. And so what we

(33:57):
see is that there's mountains of evidence to support the
idea that there's a thousand years missing from our history.
So it's not twenty twenty four, it's ten twenty four
or somewhere thereabouts.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
I believe that our reality is much more like the
pages of a book, where everything is accessible at any time.
It just depends on what page you turn to and
where your bookmark is, and at any time we can
choose to go to a different part of the story.
And I think that time works that way, and our

(34:36):
experiences in lifetimes are all unfolding at the same time,
and I think we have multiple incarnations and multiple dimensions
and multiple realities that are also occurring at the same time,
and it could be possible that being said, that sometimes
these realities merge and bleed into each other and change

(34:59):
certain outcomes. This could also explain a lot of what's
happening with the Mendela effect. But there are also infinite
ushes and infinite understandings and infinite dimensions that also have
an effect on each other. So that's something really deep
that I often consider and could be an explanation for
things like the mud flood and the time frames that

(35:22):
we can explain and seemingly that our history doesn't make
sense at times. What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Excellent, let's go down this road, because I get a
lot of pushback from Christians if you start talking about
you know, Mendela effect or consciousness, you know visualization. This
invokes a knee jerk reaction from Christians who cry foul, saying,

(35:50):
you know, you're teaching new age goo stuff. So the
problem with that is that I don't I'm an orthodox,
I have a believer. I don't stray from anything that
the Bible has clearly taught. And so the problem is,
like the faith prosperity people, for instance, were not wrong.

(36:13):
They they just had a wrong emphasis. But Mark eleven
twenty three is in your Bible, sir. It says, whosoever
shall say to this mountain, be thou removed and casting
the sea, and shall not doubt in his heart, but
believes that the things that he says will come to pass.
He will have whatever he says. Now, the point there
is that that instruction is not to pray to God

(36:34):
to get something. This is the big, the big issue
where you are invested with creative power and you are
expected to use it. Not God, I ask you to
give me a car. Instead, you learn how to go
into an alpha state of relaxation, deep breathing, counting down three, three,

(36:55):
three two two two one one one. Okay, now you're
an alpha state. Now you visualize on the screen the
car you want. Now, that is not witchcraft. That is
Bible one oh one. You want an example, it's in
the book of whatever, I can't remember where it's. Jacob
is trying to get Leah. Oh he marries Leah by
Jacob Laban tricked them so he's working for Rachel for

(37:19):
another seven years. So he makes a deal with Laban
and he says, all right, all of the cattle that
are spotted will be mine. All the cattle that aren't
spotted will be yours. Laban says, okay. What the Bible
tells us is that Jacob took reeds and he stripped them,
made him spotted, and then he placed them where the
cattle watered. And the Bible tells us that from that

(37:42):
point on the cattle gave birth to spotted cattle. Now,
the only conclusion that you could draw from that is
that because the cattle were visualizing spots, it affected their DNA.
It's the only conclusion you could draw, And there's many
examples of that in the Bible. As a man thinketh,

(38:04):
so is he whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are holy,
what sever things are just? If there be any virtue,
if there be any praise, think on these things. The
Bible teaches you to think about what you're thinking about.
The Bible says Jesus said, don't worry about tomorrow, because
today has enough trouble of its own. So as you

(38:26):
go into this, then Mark eleven, twenty four even goes
this far. It says, when you pray, believe you've already
received it and you will have what you ask for.
So there you go. There's guided visualization. That term will
trigger ninety five percent of Christians into a frenzy.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Well, what they don't realize is that one hundred percent
of people are interacting with this force every day of
their lives, every second of their days.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
It's unavoidable.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
You are a creator being. You are this will trigger people.
You are magic. You have this ability to affect reality
and have certain outcomes. And it's all about intention. If
you have good intentions and you want to do better
for yourself and your family and your loved ones, and
you want your loved ones to do better, and that's

(39:22):
your intention, these good things are going to come out
of it. If you have the intention of destruction or
evil degeneracy, that's what you're going to get out of
your everyday magical practices that you don't even that you
aren't even aware that you're doing. We all have rituals
every day. We all project energies every second of every day,

(39:46):
and those energies go out into the cosmos and they
come back, and it depends on what intention we had,
what feeling, what emotion we have when we're putting that
out there. And it's really it's scientific if you get
down to some of the more intricate details of how
this stuff really occurs. But it's spiritual as well, and

(40:08):
that's the mysterious part about it, and that I believe
is what we could call the power of God, or
how God is connecting us all and bringing us all
together and allowing us to create our reo.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Thank you hello to slit experiment. I mean, we looked
into that and validated that that's not just made up,
it's a it's a peer of view studies. So they
for those that aren't aware of it too, Slit experiment
they were experimenting with, you know, the fabrics of reality,

(40:44):
how it works. And they shot these particles at a
photoelectric cell through two slits, and you would expect that
on the photo electric cell, you'd get it two slits
lighting up when the particles hit it, and that's what
they got until they turned a camera on to observe this,
and then the camera introduced human consciousness and the particles

(41:07):
stopped acting like particles. They started acting like waves. So
now there was six or seven lines on the photo
electric cell. The only thing that changed was the introduction
of human awareness. Well, then they turned the camera off
and it went back to two slits. They turned the
camera on, it went back to seven slits. So what
does that tell you? What that tells you is that

(41:30):
human consciousness is basically you're decoding this construct that you
live and move in, and it's like a video game
in a sense, where it's all just an energy construct.
There's nothing solid, there's no solidity. So they project that

(41:50):
the Higgs Boson field is the thing. It's a matrix
that gives us the experience of solidity. Like the desk
that I'm leaning on is made of energy. It's just
an energy construct. Well, the Mandela effect has certainly broadened
our willingness to accept the fact that our realm is

(42:12):
malleable because it's changing. Not only is the physical things
that we encode with our optics and all that changing,
but all of history is changing. So when we realize
that mir mirror on the wall never existed, it's not
like it was miror mirror on the wall ten years ago.
Before ten years ago, it was mirror, and then after

(42:35):
twenty fourteen it was magic miror No, it's always been
magic mirror all the way back to the beginning. And
that's true with thousands of logos, company names, movie lines,
book titles, events in history. So we we are being

(42:55):
presented with the fact that the timeline that we're in
has ever existed in our memory. So you can draw
all kinds of hypothesis for what is happening. You mentioned
infinite multiverse concept, you know. Then there's the implanted thought concept.

(43:16):
Then there's the consciousness shift concept, because where where does
consciousness actually reside? Is it between your ears? Although my
screen just went black? Okay, so consciousness probably doesn't exist
inside of the human body. It's probably more of your

(43:38):
brain as a receiver transmitter. And the reason I believe
that is because of the examples of savants like Daniel
Talmud is a is a very high functioning savant. He
actually took two weeks and he memorized pie out to
twenty four thousand digits, and then he recited it in

(44:01):
seven and a half hours without one mistake. How many
numbers in a row could you think you could remember
given any amount of time. I maybe could go thirty,
I don't know, twenty this guy did twenty four thousand. Okay.
So he was on David Letterman and David Letterman asked

(44:21):
him this really difficult math question was like two hundred
and thirty three thousand, five hundred and forty three point
seven times one hundred and fifty nine hundred and forty
three point six. And this is what he did. He
doodled on the armchair with his finger for like three seconds,
and then he recited this number four hundred and fifty
three million, five whatever the number was, and that was

(44:44):
exactly right. So there was no there was no cognitive
process like we go through to figure out a math problem.
And so David Letterman goes, how do you do that?
And this is what he said. He said, I just
see a land escape and then the answer appears. Oh baby,

(45:07):
what the heck is that? Man? The acoustic records right,
the access to the quantum realm, whatever it is. This
guy has the ability to cross over into a place
where all information resides, get the answer and bring it
back into this realm because of the way his brain
is structured. So what we are learning is that the

(45:32):
construct is way more exotic than we had ever imagined.
We really have a very naturalistic worldview. Most of us.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
We all have the ability to do with this gentleman
is doing. It's just that we don't believe we can.
We've been programmed to believe that we are in this
box and all these magical abilities, all these consciousness and
psychic abilities are only for the few and special that
are somehow blessed with this. But we all have the

(46:04):
same abilities. It's all about what we become aware that
we can do. And once the awareness kicks in, then
the belief kicks in. And I think that belief is
the fuel for some of these energetic practices that people
have honed into. People who are spiritual masters that have

(46:27):
these somewhat superhuman abilities that they've been able to tap
into because they were going down a certain path and
they had a certain belief that they could. And the
system that we're in right now is all about extinguishing
those beliefs. We've been going through this de evolution in

(46:48):
our modern age mainly because of the technology that we've
been introduced to and interacting with, and the more we
become part of that technological material realm, the more we
lose our connection to this force, to this magic, to
this energy that surrounds us at all time, and that's
been intentional. But it's starting to turn around the other way.

(47:11):
We have these rises and falls in our civilization. It's
all cyclical, and I believe now is the time when
we're starting to come back to that awareness of our
true consciousness abilities.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Right. So I remember this one testimony firsthand from missionaries,
and the way they would evangelize is they would go
into a village in Mongolia or wherever they were, and
they would say, do you have anybody that's really sick? Blind, crippled, leprosy,
like the good you know, the real stuff, and they'd
bring out, you know, the lady that was born blind.

(47:46):
She's been in the village for fifty years and she's blind.
Is about. Well, they bring out the lady and then
they're gonna pray for a healer and then they can
preach the gospel to them because once you do a miracle,
then people listen to So however, they just started doing
this and there's this group of teenagers over on the
right with a bunch of rocks, and they're like, if

(48:07):
what you're doing doesn't work, we're gonna kill you. So
then they go over in a corner and they're like, okay, God,
we need you to come through for us. We're out
here on a limb, right, And they said. God spoke
to them and said, I'm not going to heal him.
You heal them. Now, when you look at how Jesus operated,

(48:28):
he didn't very often. He didn't pray to the father. Father.
I asked you to heal him, he said, be healed. Okay.
So when Jesus was here, he gave us like he
deputized us. He said, all power and authority has been
given unto me and heaven and on earth. The next
thing he says is go ye therefore, and priests Gospel

(48:51):
raised the dead cast out demons. So he said, I
have all authority and heaven and on earth. That's a
pretty potent statement. I have all authority in heaven and
in earth. And guess what now you do now? But
go use it? Go, you know, use the power now.

(49:15):
This is probably the main argument against the faith prosperity movement.
Kenneth Hagen Copeland, all these guys, they basically became sort
of arrogant, man centered. You know. It became incantations where
they lost their humility and they began to just reduce
God to formulas, so it's always relational. You know, you

(49:40):
have nothing. For instance, there's an example in the Book
of Acts where these guys saw Paul doing miracles and
then they said, let's try this. So they tried to
cast the devil out of this guy, and the devil
in the guy says Paul, we know, and Jesus, we know,
but who are you you? And then they started to

(50:02):
kick the guy's ass and they if the Bible says,
they ran out naked because the devil and the guy
just stripped their clothes off and beat him up. So
the point is you have to be coming from a
place of a relationship. You have to be a blood
washed soul where Jesus tells you, okay, you're you're regenerated, Okay,

(50:25):
you are stand before God is sinless because of me.
Now now you can go. So once you have that
experience of being born again, you're empowered. But the church
has basically fallen off the apple cart where they're afraid
to use the power, so they don't really move in

(50:47):
power like in the authority and the nobility that's been
invested in us, like the missionaries, so they the missionaries
get this word, like you go do it. So they
go up to the lady to say, be healed in
the name of Jesus, and she just started couldtwarting, and
all of a sudden she starts screaming. She could see
for the first time in her entire life. So what

(51:10):
does that tell you?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I mean, I think that the true message of God
has been in all cultures, in all religions, and all
spiritual practices throughout time. It's shown up in different eras,
in different ways, depending on the location, depending on the culture,
depending on the type of people that were coming up

(51:33):
with this information that we're rediscovering. This it's all been rediscovered.
There's nothing new under the sun. Remember, it's all happened before,
it will all happen again. We just have to remember it.
And that I believe what is being put forward in
spiritual scripture, in every religious and every spiritual type of practice,

(51:58):
there is the basically same baseline story, same understandings, just
told in different ways so that the different cultures can
understand them based on their experiences and their own understandings.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Right. You know, I come from a biblical worldview, and
I make no apologies, and I do have withdraw from
other faiths like Buddhism. For instance, Buddhism has some props, okay,
because their whole thing is don't think now again, that's
a biblical teaching. Jesus said, don't worry about tomorrow, for

(52:36):
today has enough evil of its own. So that right
there is the essence of Buddhism. Buddhism is living in
the now. Like Eckhart Toley wrote the book The Power
of Now, all of your pain that you experience every
day is because you're either thinking about the regrets of
the past or you're fearful of the future. But if

(52:57):
you'll focus on your breathing and just realize that you
never have anything except now, it's incredible how the pain
just drops off. So the Buddhist teach chop wood, carry water.
Is there teaching where you know, if you're chopping the wood,
don't overlay this narrative, Oh, I got so much wood

(53:18):
that yob and it's so hot out and how long
is this going to take me? Just chop the wood, okay,
right now. Having said that, though the all path to
God narrative is not reconcilable with the Bible, because Jesus
basically said I'm the way of the truth in life,
and no man comes to the Father except through me.

(53:41):
Another pastor says, there's no other name given under heaven
by which men must be saved, the name Jesus Christ.
So Christianity is extremely dogmatic and it is a take
it or leave it offer. It is a no apologies.
Most of your questions will go unanswered this side of eternity,
take it or leave it, And that's pretty much why

(54:05):
a lot of people jump off. They're offended by that.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Now, this this is just a question.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Could it be that what you just said is true
because it's been manipulated by man, because it's been it's
been this dogma has been instilled because yep, there have
been certain powers that don't want the remaining population to

(54:31):
really be enlightened and reach full spiritual awareness. I think
it could be that it is a blocker put in
there and it's up to us to decipher through that.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yes, absolutely, I've considered this idea that the Garden of
Eden narrative is actually Inky and his brother who are
you know, Ananochi, and they came here and they did
a genetic experiment where they had this paddock of humans.
We get the Genesis story, but it's actually not God,
it's aliens. Okay, However, you or whoever embraces that narrative

(55:13):
doesn't have any proof that that's true, just like I
don't have any proof that the Biblical worldview is true.
So it is a choice to go down that road.
I choose not to go down that road, even with
all my unanswered questions and the ambiguities of scripture. And

(55:34):
I've heard all the arguments after forty years, trust me,
forty one years. But it is a choice. And when
I sit back and analyze the empirical, rational, measurable evidence
that the Biblical worldview is true, it's a mountain of
evidence compared to the narrative which is being shoved down

(55:55):
our throats, which is that we were seated by aliens.
You are the offspring of ets and they've come here
or coming back to raise our consciousness to the next level. Okay, Okay,
The simulation theory is just an attempt to abandon God,

(56:17):
you know, lording over you. Because I flew to Massachusetts
and I spoke at the International Mendelift Conference, and at
the conference, I got to interact with basically the Guru
Tom Campbell my big toe, right, that's his thing, and
he's like an astrophysicist guy. He's at the forefront of

(56:39):
the intelligentsia. He's the thought leader of the whole. You know,
we live in a simulation. And I said, Tom, let
me ask you in your narrative. Does the the simulation
you know, is it like some sort of machine. That's

(56:59):
my impression. We're in a video game. Yes, that's correct. Okay,
So this machine does it have a creator? Yes? So
then I said, well, do you know who the creator is? Answer? No, okay,
so you have no idea who this you know? Is it?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
He said?

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Our theory is that it's an advanced race of aliens,
or it's a consciousness cloud that evolved over eods. Okay,
but you have no proof. Okay, Well that's a religion.
It's just like the atheists that tell you the Big
Bang theory. Well, where did the primortal egg come from?
You've got this giant blob that just appears and then

(57:42):
blows up, and that's where the universe comes from. So
nothing created everything? Is that what you believe? Yes, but
you have no proof? No, okay, Well that's a religion.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yeah, I think the alien narrative is another one of
those things to give us further away from what's really happening,
looking to the stars, looking to different planets, when we
really just need to look inside ourselves for these answers.
It's a distraction, it's multilayered. It's so that military can
roll out some new toys, another fear campaign, keep us

(58:15):
wrapped up in this new conspiracy of alien invasions and
all the narratives that have been coming out for the
past few years to keep us in that bubble. So
it's just another one of those things that we have
to be aware of. They're leading us in this direction.
This is not us, this is not something natural that

(58:36):
we have this understanding of. We have no idea what's happening.
We have our own theories, we have our thoughts, we
have our own experiences that we can go after. But
what's happening is they're telling us that this is the
way it is. This is what's happening, this is how
our universe works. These beings are coming here to take

(58:57):
over humanity and stick things in our buddy. And that's
just the way it's always been the Oh and by
the way they created us too, So it's just another
one of those bs things that we got to be
cautious of.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
I think, well, I look at like people in Africa,
like they live in the tundra and they're like totally happy,
and I wonder, what is the really the purpose of
this existence? Like I think one of the the goals
should be that we smile a lot, uh, you know,

(59:30):
because what what good is anything if you're just miserable
all the time. And so a lot of the truth
or stuff is of drag, you know. It's why the
normies don't want anything to do with us, Yeah, because
we're just a buzzkill. So how do you how do
you live in the truth? How do you have your
wife divorce you and your kids not talk to you

(59:53):
and be happy? You know, because if you don't stand
in the truth, you know, you sacrifice your conscience to
stay in rapport with those important to you, then you're
also miserable because you're a compromising you know, bag of
dog biscuits. You can't live with yourself. So how do

(01:00:15):
you do this? Well, the only thing that I believe
gives you the juice to do life is to be
in the battle. Because one thing you can't deny is
this This world is host I mean it's not Shangrila
or the Garden of Enning or anything like it. It's

(01:00:35):
a hellhole. There's valleys and streams, and there's the beach,
and there's ice cream, and there's fun, fun seasons in
the sun. But let's be honest. I mean, this world
is just a nightmare to live in. There's so much
pain and suffering, so much evil dominating the power structures
and wars. And you know, your tax slave, you work

(01:00:58):
for four or five months out of every year just
to give your tax dollars to a corrupt treasury and
irs that will put you in a cage if you
don't comply with their craft. So you know what kind
of life is this? Well, it's almost like unless you
accept the fact that it is a test, then you'll

(01:01:21):
never be happy. So you have to live in the
reality of where you are, which is job chapter one. Okay, job,
God is sitting on the throne, and if angels come
before God, it's really weird. It's like this little vignette says,
and there was a day when the sons of God
came before God, and Satan also came before God. So

(01:01:45):
Apparently Satan still had like access to the throne at
that point. So he comes up and God strikes up
this conversation with Job or with Satan. He goes, have
you seen my servant Job? So, out of all the
things that he could have struck up a conversation about,
he starts bragging on Joe. So apparently there is this

(01:02:08):
eternal intergalactic argument going on between God and Satan. And
what comes out of Satan's mouth next is what the
argument is. Satan says, ah, he only serves you because
you bless him. You're just a sugar daddy. They don't
really love you because you're good and you're worthy of
being obayed. He only serves you because you make him rich.

(01:02:33):
So you know he's saying. Satan is saying, I'm just
as worthy to be God as you are. And so
God says, okay, okay, all that is in his all
that he has is in your power. That's what God
told him. God gave permission to Satan to bring hell
down on Job to prove a point. That's when my

(01:02:55):
Bible teaches me, I'm sorry, and so why is that
it's a test?

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Well, I think you're right. I think It also goes
back to taking accountability and realizing that we have more
control than we believe we do. If you look back,
we created the mess we're in. I think that we're
given this illusion that there's this adversarial satanic character that

(01:03:24):
has so much control over humanity that we can't escape
its clutches, and it is all encompassing and surrounds our
reality and we can't get out of it. When the
perspective that I've come to realize is that even the
most darkest, demonic, scariest creatures and entities that surround the
astra realms and affect us and possess us and do

(01:03:48):
all these horrible things to whisper in our ear and
get us to do these things, that they're there for
a reason that we cannot grow, we cannot learn, we
can't not become better unless we interact with these opposing forces.
I think that these forces are put here for us,

(01:04:09):
even the worst demonic forces, so that we can learn
from them, and that if we embrace those darknesses, that
if we embrace the demonic and we go down the
dark path, and that's what our lives become about. We're
missing the point. We just got trapped into the darkness,
when in reality, the darkness is there to sling us

(01:04:31):
back in the other direction, like some sort of the
pinball games, like you hit the opposing force and it
shoots you back in the right direction. I think we
need to take more accountability for what we've done to
ourselves throughout our own history. We've embraced the darkness too much.
We got sucked in the material too much because we

(01:04:52):
made the choice to do it. We've always had the choice,
We've always had the choice to go lighter dark, to
embrace the better ass bis of life. But overall through
our history it seems we chose the dark, and it's
going to be up to us to choose a different direction.
Once we realize that we have the power to make
that choice, that we were given the free will to

(01:05:13):
make that choice by God because he wants us to succeed,
then things can start to change a bit, I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Oh one hundred percent. Like what I'm saying is, you've
got the two spies who had a more excellent spirit.
Then you had David, who had a totally different view
than the entire Israeli army of optimism, and then you
have Job who was tested where his wife was haranguing him, saying,
just curse God and die. God's no good. Look at

(01:05:43):
how he's treated you. You've done nothing wrong. And they listen,
and Job refused. He said, you know, the Lord giveth
and the Lord taketh away. You know, shall we not
receive good and evil from the hands of the Lord.
So in all that Job did he didn't since. So
that's my point is that unless you accept reality, because

(01:06:08):
what we always do, most of us, is we resist
what is. What is is what is okay? You're going bald.
You could either go bald and be depressed, or you
can go bald and be happy. But either way you're
going bald. So accepting what is okay? And what is
is that this world you're born into a battle. It's

(01:06:30):
not fair, you know, it's not happy clappy all the time.
You could be struck with the terminal illness when you're fourteen.
You know, you could be born with no legs. This
one lady was born in the fifties and she had
whatever Parkinson's. She spent her entire life in an ironlung,
lying on her back, sixty seventy years. Whatever. What kind

(01:06:52):
of life? What kind of cards is that to be dealt.
So you're gonna get Dell cards that suck royally. You're
gonna have to decide how you're gonna respond. But if
you don't embrace the rules of the realm, which is
you're here to be tested, then you will tend to

(01:07:13):
resist the test instead of rising to it, like David
the Two Spies and job did. You will be offended
by it and you'll shake your fist to God or
the realm, whatever your world view is. You'll be ticked
off instead of going, oh, yeah, that's all you got.
I'm here. I'm here to be an epistol read by

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all men. I'm here to leave a legacy. Like William Wallace.
The girl was trying to tell him stop talking girls,
they're gonna kill you, and he's like, all men die,
but not all men live. Yeah, today's a good day
to die. Some men are born to greatness, others have
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(01:08:01):
Throw in your eyes every five minutes. This went wrong?
That went wrong. No, we don't see things as they are.
We see things as we are. We are here not
to love to be loved, but to love. You are
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(01:08:23):
change it, take your hits right, and live for the
moment of death. Basically, living for the moment of death
gives you a perspective of of overcoming no matter what
comes you keep going. Yes, you just keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
I think that is a perfect note to close out
on this week's Amazing John as usual before we go,
let the audience know speaking of good things and positive occurrences,
some of the things that you're working on that they
can go look for awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Yeah, you can find at wakeuporlse dot com. We're on
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(01:09:44):
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Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Excellent John, Thank you so much. We will definitely be
there again anytime. Brother yees, sir, we will be in touch.
And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We
will t talk again. Tomara'll see then. Today I want
to welcome back to the show Matt Reid. He started

(01:10:11):
as a scientific and spiritual skeptic, but when learning of
the mysterious unknowns at the edge of modern physics, he
decided to dig deeper. He began to use shamanic plant
tools to discover the answers to his questions and encountered
a wide range of astral landscapes and inter dimensional beings

(01:10:32):
who offered their insights. Matt, welcome back, how you doing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Hey, what's up Chris? Great to be here, man.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
It's great to have you back. Very excited for this discussion.
We're actually going to be using parts of this in
my upcoming film Doorways of Perception. The film's going to
cover the nature of reality as it relates to life
after death. Near death experiences, altered states, and psychedelics, as

(01:11:02):
well as the nature of spiritual and even extraterrestrial contact experiences,
and how all of these things have profound connections. Now
Matt here he keeps his identity hidden, so we're going
to be doing something fun with that for the film.
Lots to get into here. First, for the audience that

(01:11:23):
may not be familiar with yourself, introduce yourself and tell
us a little bit about your background and what led
you down your path.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
All right, thanks, Chris.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Yeah, we're beaming in from the third and a half
dimension over here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
It's been a wild.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Twisted journey like it has been for most of us,
and yet it's also been pretty much a normal life,
you know, give or take. The way that it all
happened for me is, you know, growing up, starting out life,
I was very scientifically minded, very rational, trusting mainstream news sources,

(01:12:09):
trusting what the history books taught me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Just a normal guy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
I also was raised Catholic, and I found it strange
that we were all symbolically consuming the flesh and blood
of our savior.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
I thought that's a little weird. You know. I love
the guy. I don't want to eat him. You know,
I want to follow in his footsteps.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
So, you know, I try to live the Golden rule.
I try to just be the best person I could be.
Being scientifically minded, I got really into quantum physics and
I thought, wow, there's some actually really trippy time bending
type stuff here in science. So I took what I
could from science. I took what I could from religion.

(01:12:57):
I've continued to be a spiritual person. One thing led
to another, and on my twenty first birthday, a friend
of mine said, Hey, if you're really looking for a
firsthand spiritual experience, and even a sort of scientific experience
when you really look at it that way, how about
you try out some DMT. And I thought, well, okay, yeah,

(01:13:20):
I don't want to go out and you know, get
trashed tonight, so yeah, let's go for it. And so
I tried the DMT and popped out of my body.
My very first experience, I could see through the skin
of all my friends, where I could see their skeletons,
their muscle tissues, their organs working a rainbow energy flowing

(01:13:44):
through them, flowing through me and flowing through the room,
this energy that seemed to light up the world around us.
I opened and closed my eyes and watched as the
room would construct itself and deconstruct it self. And to
my sort of scientific, spiritual analytic mind, this was incredible.

(01:14:08):
So from there, I've had a few dozen experiences with
DMT and with other plant medicines, and I've approached it
very academically and spiritually. You know, this wasn't a party
experience for me. This was I wanted to get to
the depths of my essence and the depths of the

(01:14:30):
reality around me, and here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
We are, excellent man. Now tell us a little bit
about what was it about the experience that really made
you want to dive deeper into this. Psychedelics and plant
medicines are not for everyone, for sure. There's a lot
of people who have these difficult or even terrifying experiences

(01:14:56):
and there never go back to them. And even though
the benefits have personally been amazing and incredible, a lot
of people will never get to that second step. So
I imagine your experience was pleasant enough to allow you
to go further, right.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
Yeah, you know, overall the experiences have been very positive
and very fun. Even a relief is a word I
could use the first time I popped out of my body.
I felt so relaxed and felt so myself. It's a
feeling that's almost realer than real. It's like you're returning home,

(01:15:39):
You're returning to a larger portion of yourself. So if yeah,
it really feels like a homecoming, kind of like oh,
it's you again, and oh it's this place again. Yes,
I remembered this this place outside of the body before
I went into a physical body, and I remember feeling, oh,

(01:16:02):
I'm so relieved. It's not just like endless targets and
walmarts as far as the eye can see into the universe,
and that's what leads into black holes is endless corporate consumerism. No,
no more, none of that out there in the grand beyond.

(01:16:23):
There was no money to speak of, there were no
concerns of the physical body.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
There's still concerns.

Speaker 4 (01:16:29):
You got to watch out for some astral parasites and
predators out there, just like our reality here. If you
go into the jungle, you gotta be prepared, you know,
it can be dangerous. Something for our viewers that became
an insight after many of these journeys is that many

(01:16:50):
of the things I was learning outside of the body
are the same type of life lessons that we learn
here in the body. It's just a different, different version
of learning those same lessons. When you say you go
to the park and you meet a friendly stranger, you know,
maybe they look a little questionable to the eye, but

(01:17:13):
then you talk to them for a minute, you find out, oh,
this person's really cool, and you make a friend. It's
the same over there looks. You don't want to judge
an entity by their external expression, just like you don't
want to judge a book by its cover. Some entities
over there appeared to me in flowing robes, in rainbow

(01:17:34):
crystal light, and they turned out to be manipulating me
and trying to pull on some of the strings of
the religious ideologies here on this world. And I had
to stand up for myself and tell these entities, reveal
your true foreign to me. I can tell there's something
going on in the background you're not being upfront about.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Just the same as in this life.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
You know, you can start to pick up on some
weird vibes from people, and you either got to stand
up for yourself or something bad can happen to you.
So I really embraced the journey. It's also gorgeous the
way that it appears. I've never seen purple that vividly.
I'd never seen Some of these spaces seem to warp

(01:18:22):
what you imagine the ways that space and time can operate,
But there they are operating in that manner, perfectly normal,
unto itself.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
So essentially, yes, it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
Teaches a lot of the same things that life teaches
to us, and for the right types of people, it
will then teach you even more.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Right on, you said, you quote unquote popped out of
your body. I have done DMT a few times. I've
never reached this level with DMT, but I know plenty
of people who have, and the experience changes dramatically from
when you just have this surface level before any type

(01:19:11):
of breakthrough. The difference is very profound. Once you leave
your body, what was it that allowed you to continue?
Do you think you were just more prone to be
able to pop out of your body? What do you
think happened there?

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Well, the first thing I'll say is that as we
move into the future as a human species, we will
find that the main way to travel the stars is
not through nuts and bolt spacecraft, but through our consciousness.
Consciousness is not bound to the same limitations that our

(01:19:50):
bodies are. You know, the bodies are actually very fragile
and sensitive and can exist in this sort of narrow
spectrum of of what we can see, the heat we
can withstand, the cold that we can withstand.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Our consciousness is.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
Not bound by any of those rules. The consciousness can
travel freely, not bound by any sort of physical limitations.
So this is what's happening with the DMT. Specifically for me,
I had a great deal of it. That sort of

(01:20:26):
life ended up in a way where I had a
ton of the stuff, so I was able to practice
with it. I looked up online like aerowid as a resource,
there's other resources online on different techniques and tricks. Just
like with anything, the same could be said for transcendental meditation.
At first, when you do it, you don't really get

(01:20:48):
any results. But after a few weeks, a few months,
and especially after a few years of honing your craft,
honing your technique, then you can really start to get
out there, or more specifically, get in there, get deeper
and deeper in there. So it ended up being a
path of trial and error.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
What do you think is happening in our brains when
we're having these experiences, Even modern scientific studies don't completely
show us, and modern scientists don't completely understand what's happening
in our brains. What do you think, based on your

(01:21:33):
experiences and your own perception, is happening. It seems like
a doorway is opening through our perception, that we're able
to perceive things that we weren't able to before because
it's opening a part of our mind that may not
have been as receptive before.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
But what do you think, Yes, well, well, said Chris,
what is happening? I think a really useful analogy in
this is if we think of our brain as an antenna,
as a transmitter and a receiver of consciousness and of

(01:22:14):
energy signals, the senses, so to speak. So we can
think of our regular day to day life as a
radio dial or as the visual spectrum from here to here,
the sites, the sounds, the tastes. This is reality as
our waking, day to day life goes on and on

(01:22:35):
as it goes. What happens is when you introduce the
chemical DMT, and we spoke briefly about this before, that
this can happen at it's been shown at the time
of death, the time of birth, and then in small
amounts when we're dreaming. So this is kind of a

(01:22:57):
clue as to what's actually occurring here. What's happening is
we're going from our day to day radio dial of
signals that we process. Then the DMT starts to blend
our perception into another radio dial. You could think of
them as rows of radio dials that go up and

(01:23:19):
rows of radio dials that go down, and you could
think of these as the dimensions of existence.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
We're used to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Our three D material visual spectrum radio dial. When this
chemical gets introduced the antenna, the brain receives a signal saying, oh,
we're jumping off that radio dial and we're jumping on to.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
A new radio dial.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
And that's why I think in our dreams. Sometimes dreams
will be so vivid, and you'll be talking to someone
in a dream. It seems like you're truly in another reality.
And I believe because in fact we are. It's not
quite as full on as an awakened DMT experience. That's
like you just cranked up like three radio dials.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Sometimes in our dream we're sort of blending in halfway
to that next radio dial, or just putting our toes
into it just enough to get maybe a certain notion
or our higher self is trying to get a message
through to us, so that radio.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Dial blends a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
It's just a little bit that's needed when it's naturally occurring.
It's all about efficiency and less is more. You know,
it doesn't want to throw you into a full on
Kundalini awakening.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Just you know, on the regular day to day.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
So I sort of hacked my biology a little bit
and said, all right, let's push this thing as far
as we can go, and let's see what's on the
other side.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Excellent. Let's talk about the nature of contact during these experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
What these entities are.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Do you believe that they are part of our own consciousness?
Are they external intelligences that exist beyond our perception? Are
they extraterrestrials? Are they angels, demons? All of the above?
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
Yeah, I really do believe it's an all of the
above type of situation. When you get out there, you
start to realize very quickly that the human labels and
the earthly perception of things does not apply. I've come
across presences that you could call angelic, that you could

(01:25:43):
call demonic, but they're not really the religious. They're not
exactly what religion sells them to be. Religion sort of
sells angels and demons as angels are the good guys
for this group of spiritual ideology followers, and the demons
are against the lovers of God.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
It's it's this very sort of like one dimensional marketable
sort of explanation of these spirit energies out there. These
things are just like you and me. These are complex entities.
I've run across a reptilian over there one time, and

(01:26:26):
you know, they look like a humanoid lizard person and
you know we're we're trained to be Oh no, a reptilian.
This is a demon, demonic, demonic. And actually they showed
me an X ray of my lungs and they told me,
if you keep smoking DMT, you're going to harm yourself
and this is going to be counter to what you're

(01:26:48):
trying to achieve. So I actually got I got health
advice from a reptilian and maybe he was a little
slithery his energy and he was sort of like between
teeth like you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Know, you're destroying yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
You know, still had that sort of like snakelike attitude,
but he didn't feel like a one dimensional evil entity.
And ultimately, this individual is coming from a place for
my better good. And like I mentioned earlier, in another circumstance,
I was met by monks in flowing white robes and

(01:27:26):
they floated down to me in that vision of an
angelic tunnel with golden gates in the whole nine And
I'll tell you, those golden gates glittered so beautifully. There
was little holographic rainbows between the shining of the gates
in these three dimensional clouds. It was like visual grandeur

(01:27:47):
turned up beyond what we could normally comprehend. And these
monks are floating down to me into the light. There's
a row of four of them, and they're telling they're
beaming into my mind telepathically and by the way, to
tele telepathy when you're out there, it just works. It's
like that's the method of communication for consciousness. You do

(01:28:10):
not need to overthink it, just as you think in
your own mind, is how you communicate out there. It's
it's it's more intuitive and easier, honestly than spoken languages.
So these four monks are floating down to me and
they're beaming into my mind with this force, you aw

(01:28:31):
the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, and I was immediately red
flags went off, like who are these external beings I
just met trying to tell me who I am? I
immediately responded, Oh no, you don't. You're not going to
put me on that spiritual ego trip I've got. I've

(01:28:54):
got a friend on the planet where I come from.
Their dad thinks that he's Jesus Christ, and he's the
worst father I've ever heard of. Aren't we all Christ's.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
In the making? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
And wait a minute, who were you beings out here
in this reality trying to overwhelm my visual senses using
this religious ideology that I know comes from corrupt sources.
You need to reveal your true form to me, because
I know you're not being upfront with me. Three of
those monks flew away. The vision of that tunnel faded

(01:29:31):
to a dark, murky astral cavern. They were doing a
psychic a psychic hypnotism onto me to see what I
was seeing and to feel what I was feeling, And
it was not all love and light. It was a trick.
The one guy that was left, he now appeared like

(01:29:52):
just you know, he appeared like a Middle Eastern man
in like a sort of brown robe and sta of
this flowing white robe. It was just like a normal robe.
And he comes in close to me and says, okay, okay,
you caught us fair, fair, fair, but hey, take me
on as your spiritual advisor and I'll make sure you

(01:30:14):
get a lot of money. And I thought, oh, this
is a classic gin exchange where they make a deal
with you to make a spiritual exchange. And I thought,
no way, no way, man, I've seen enough episodes of
the Twilight Zone to know that this has got strings
attached to it. And also, who are you out here

(01:30:34):
in the spirit realm pulling on religious ideology motifs to
try to psychically like hypnotize a person with you and
your posse, and you're connected to the corrupt financial system
on my planet. No way, talk about red flags on
top of red flags. And I said, no, be gone,

(01:30:56):
you have no permission to exchange with me or my
sphere of energy whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
His jaw dropped.

Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
You know, I could tell that the humans usually take
the money.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
And then he.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
Flew right out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
So that was a very very eye.

Speaker 4 (01:31:12):
Opening experience on the importance of spiritual discernment. Don't judge
a book by its cover. Another experience like that, a
sort of in the flip side of it. There's also
a lot of gatekeepers out there. A lot of times,
just like in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, you'll

(01:31:32):
transition over into the beyond and you'll be met with
a gatekeeper that is basically keeping an eye on the
boundary zone between those radio dials we were talking about earlier.

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So I went over there and then I'm immediately rushed
by a skeleton warrior. This was like a full on
Dungeons and Dragons exchange. This guy's coming at me with
his spear, you know, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Like, whoa, look at you, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
This is like Iron Maiden Metallica. Like you're like alive,
but you're a skeleton. You're like looking super hardcore.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
This is like badass, and I just found it to
be cool and like crazy and like whoa, I can't
believe this is happening. And the skeleton could pick up
on my energy telepathically and then just started to crack
up laughing like oh this is like not some sort

(01:35:15):
of spiritual intruder. I gotta worry about this is just
some guy who like thinks that this is like an
experience similar to like a heavy metal music experience, and he.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Just found it so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
He started cracking up his shrill texture. He looked very
like a sort of like sharpened predator. Pose just softened
and he softened up to the point of his bone
started glowing colors, and he became like a cartoon Day

(01:35:49):
of the Dead type of dancing skeleton, and a whole
party started in the space. All of a sudden, this
dark space lit up with our joy, literally with our
joy lit up. And there's little fuzzy goblins and when
I say they're fuzzy, they're actually like staticky light that

(01:36:09):
looks like fur. And they're holding hands and they're dancing,
and I could hear them chanting, he's not judging us.
He's not judging us, you know, And it was like
it ended up being a great time. So again, it's
the energy in the moment, and you can pick up
on the vibe and you need to listen to your heart,

(01:36:31):
listen to how you're feeling, and stand up for yourself.
Like I said earlier, these are the types of lessons
that we learn in life. It's the same stuff going
on out there. In a fractal holographic sense, it's the
same idea. We are the observer, this is the external world.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
We have our.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
Energetic exchanges at its basis. It's the same exchange going on.
But now now it's your consciousness is an open book.
Everything is happening in real time. You're manifesting in real time,
and you just have to have your wits about you.
And it's three sixty all around you, and you can

(01:37:16):
fly now, and you have telepathy and these manifestation powers.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
So yes, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
For some people it's going to be too much. Some people,
especially who grow up in religious ideologies, they can get
swept up by beings who will appear in white robes
and appear as Sonanda or Jesus or the deity of
their choosing. So spiritual discernment is crucial, much more than

(01:37:47):
we're led to believe by modern day society.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
That is for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
I want to get a little deeper into those dangers,
possible parasites that resign in these realms. I was fortunate
that before I started my consciousness exploration, I was able
to meet my guides through meditation experience, and they were
there for me through every consciousness exploration, through every plant

(01:38:17):
medicine experience, to help me to say, hey, this whatever
you're interacting with here does not have your best interests.
And I would start to learn, and then they'd start
to set me off on my own. They'd be testing
me to see if I was ready to go out
on my own with them, but they would always be
there in case I got into too much trouble or

(01:38:38):
got into too deep of a conversation with something I
shouldn't be conversing with. Did you have spirit guides with
you for your experiences?

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Yes, I definitely had what you would call your higher self,
which I believe here in the body, we have consciousness
that flows through the body. It's who's speaking right now,
it's who's thinking about the speaking. I think that the
portion in the body is like a tiny pinky toe

(01:39:14):
of a larger consciousness that presides beyond this universe altogether.
I think that we all come from these sort of
root consciousness individuals. They're also called avatars in some belief systems,

(01:39:34):
And basically what's going on is that the core root
consciousness is out there in the multiverse, and you could
think of the multiverse like a arcade with many different
arcade machines being like the different universes, and they can
take a little sliver of themselves and put them into

(01:39:57):
that universe to have like an experience, And so you
can put a bigger portion of themselves in there to
have all sorts of experiences, and the way that the
flow of the universe goes. We have all these conscious
experiences and then we return back eventually to our poor
root consciousness self and we bring all that wisdom with us.

(01:40:22):
So between who we are here and our higher self
out there, we also have lots of friends between here,
we are here, our ancestors, the ancestors of our ancestors,
the elemental nature spirits. There's good watchers out there. They're

(01:40:46):
not all posing, you know, to try to pull one
over on you. You can tell the difference. You can
tell there's a co respecting, loving family type of bond
going on, or like the parents I told you before,
you'll red flags will go up and you're super sensitive
out there. So that's not something that the listeners should

(01:41:07):
be overly concerned about.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
As long as you're on.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
Your toes, Just as if you'd gone to a party
and you don't know everybody who's there. You're there to
have a good time, but you're still on your toes. Anyway,
getting back to the higher self exchange, we do have
all these friends along the way. I would have experiences
where something was being shown to me and then a

(01:41:31):
presence would be there explaining telepathically.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Like what was being shown to me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Other times I did have a full on experience where
I got to speak with my higher self or at
least a greater portion of my consciousness, and people in
the normal, everyday waking life have experienced it themselves. I
believe that the higher self comes through to us in

(01:41:59):
this physical body when it needs to. This is when
you're in like a very highly emotional conversation with somebody
and you need to just say what needs to be said,
and suddenly the wisdom to just and the strength to
just say what you need to say just comes through
and you can't explain it. Or we can think of
like that experience where the mother is trying to save

(01:42:22):
the baby and somehow has the strength to like move.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
A car all of a sudden and then saves the baby.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
There's these instances when it needs to, the higher self
will come through us, do what it needs to do,
and then it'll get back out there and go back
to business. The exchange I had with my higher self
out there. They met me on what appeared like a
temple balcony I'm thinking of like an Indonesian Tibetan style monastery.

(01:42:52):
Everything was oranges and yellows. The energy was very high.
I went, It's like I just like drifted onto a
balcony weightlessly, and then a curtain sort of parted and
this tall being in an orange robe came from behind
the curtain out to the balcony like they're leaving a

(01:43:13):
party for a moment to come see me, and they
the first thing they beamed to me was like, oh
funny bumping into you here. And what was funny about
it was I knew they were me, so I was
making like the kind of like silly joke I make
to myself. So it was a very meta type of

(01:43:35):
humor going on there. And he was kind of like,
what kind of trouble you're getting yourself into? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
You know, we really shouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
Meeting like this, but I want to make a special
exception since you've gone through all this trouble to reach
me here. You're doing great down there in the physic world.
Thank you for doing what you're doing in the physical reality,
because if you weren't doing it, then I'd have to

(01:44:08):
be doing it. And this was another sort of like
joke because they were doing it through me. But that
was a concept that was being shown to me, is
that we have these layers of our self. So here's Matt,
the interdimensional traveler in the three D realm, taking care
of all the three D realm evolution as a conscious being.

(01:44:32):
I went up a couple of radio dials. Here's you know,
we could say fifth dimension Matt, who was in a
robe at the party in the fifth dimension, who came
and met me like in the fourth and a half dimension,
so to speak. The numbers are honestly arbitrary, but just
to explain the point. He met me for a moment

(01:44:55):
to catch up with me. He told me, I worry
too much. You know, it's all going to work itself.
If out, we'll all be at one big, happy family
again at the end of linear time. It's just a
matter of time when those waves reach that shore of eventuality.
Keep trying to awaken people. You're doing a great job

(01:45:16):
keep doing what you're doing, was another message I would
receive from those friendly type of family spirits. And yeah,
a lot of love, a lot of inner strength. Yeah,
not worrying too much. These these things happen, These things
work themselves out. I remember being there asking them, like,

(01:45:38):
you know, I can tell that you have such a
level of psychic powers in this place, even though I'm
just like out here on the outskirts on this balcony,
I can tell it's so fabulous. The energy is so good.
You guys could probably show up and fix the earth
in like.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
A matter of minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
And he said, well, that's what we're doing through you,
through our humans. You know, that's what all of us
are trying to do. And there's forces that get in
the way of that, and there's forces that let it
come through. That's why good people are so valuable. That's
the organic way that that high level of energy comes

(01:46:19):
through to the world to try to help make it
a better place. The other thing he mentioned to me
is that you're on a world that's dealing with some
very complex energies. There's no way to have a world
that is trying to heal and embrace the predator and
parasite energies, and the whole mix of like tycoons, corrupt leadership,

(01:46:46):
those spirit individuals that have been all collected upon the earth,
all of the biological beings, all the different kingdoms of
different spirit types that come through as the animals and
the plant life. At this dense of a density, there's
no way you could have that mix of essences and
have it be just a clean, perfect ride.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
It's gonna get messy.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
It's gonna be a bit of a horror show, because
the input energies are part horror show. Our part complexity
that has unresolved. Everything that we're experiencing here is a
mix of the energies that have met here. The other
thing he mentioned to me was if we just came

(01:47:31):
down and did it for you, then that's part of
ourselves that you are. Wouldn't learn anything. And this is
the whole idea is you start to build up strength
in consciousness so that when you return back to us,
we get we have more consciousness mass than what we
started with. If we just come in and we spoon

(01:47:53):
feed you, we're that's disrupting what the whole idea is
in the first place. The whole idea is that you're
feeling challenged and you have to push and you have
to grow to develop to be stronger. If we just
spoon feed this to you, you're going to adapt to
the spoon feeding and having it be done for you,

(01:48:15):
and then you're just you know, you're not going to
grow and develop the way that the universe intends for
you to.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
Right on, man, I want to go back to the
dangers for those that are not initiated and have not
had the benefit of guidance and experience that may come
into contact with some of the lower vibrational negative entities.
What do you think is the extent of some of

(01:48:45):
the dangers that people could experience. You said you came
across a gin.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
If you would have.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Had agreed to take its offer about money or whatever
else it was offering you, what could have possibly had weapened.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
In that instance?

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
If I had made that agreement, I would have been
making an energetic agreement that extends beyond.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
My physical life.

Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
Here we make agreements and signed contracts and agree to
terms and conditions all the time, but it's all this
physical body, this physical world, this dimension, this reality. You
start making deals with gins out there, you've now made
a deal that's going to extend beyond your physical life.

(01:49:37):
I've experienced it where I've left the body and it
feels like a banana appealing, and the body is the
peel and you are the banana, and you go and
you're like, oh, man, it's great to just be a banana.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
I forgot what it felt like to be just a banana,
and all of the stuff of the body stayed with
the body. I remember exclaiming like, it's an incredible feeling
to be blinded with my eyes closed right now. And
this little curious presence who is just in the neighborhood

(01:50:12):
was like, oh, what do you mean by eyes closed?
I've never heard of such a thing. I had been
out of the body for maybe fifteen twenty seconds, and
that was long enough to completely forget what eyes even were.
I could not explain what eyes were, I could not

(01:50:33):
remember what a body was. That all stayed with the body.
I was in spirit form now, getting back to getting
used to being in spirit form. So everything with the
body stayed with the body. All the deals that we
make here in this world, they stay here. If you

(01:50:54):
start making interdimensional deals out there, there's strings attached that
are going to get like when the Mafia don calls.
You know, we did a favor for you, Now you
got to do a favor for us. That's gonna happen
now on a level that extends beyond this physical lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
A little aside.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
That's why some of the corrupt rulers, and I'm talking
about way way up there, who are involved in black
magic sacrifice rituals, that level of a corrupt black magic
occultist leadership, you know, the names of families that the
public doesn't have access to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
This is one of the.

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
Reasons that those individuals are so interested in life extension,
because they do not want to be called in to
collect the debts which they have accrued outside of the body,
the deals made with these what we could call demonic forces,
these black magic entity forces who are fine with dealing

(01:51:56):
in blood and death, you know, that's their wheelhouse. Those
are the type of entities that those individuals they've got
to pay the piper. They've got to energetically pay back
the deals that they've made here in the physical. So
that's why we have these sort of faustian stories of
like the alchemists trying to find the philosopher's stone to

(01:52:19):
extend their life because they do not want to pay
those energetic debts with those spirits that they've made deals
with here in.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
The walking life.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
So talking about the negative side of my experiences. Early on,
you know, I was just getting into this stuff, and
I was just a little bit reckless, honestly. And so
I had an experience where I just took a big
old handful of mushrooms and I just ate the whole
thing And never had done that amount, did not prepare

(01:52:52):
myself at all. This was pretty early in my college years.
So I just was not you know, did not have
the experience I have today. I would not do that
kind of a thing. So I went in and man,
I was going, Man, I could see, you know, in
religious paintings, there's that little animated flame that's on top

(01:53:17):
of everybody's heads. I could see those little animated flames.
I could see the border of little animated flames that
separated the body from like the reality, as it was
like exchanging with itself. I watched the bees.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
The bees had like.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
A little crystal orb around them, and I watched as
the bees would like interlock the edges of their crystal
orbs to stay out of the way of one another,
and then they would, like their crystal orb would interlock
with the crystal orb surrounding a flower. Like there was
this whole energetic, like puzzle piece interlocking mechanism that occurred

(01:53:58):
with the bees and the flowers that we do not
see to the naked eye.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
And I was loving every minute of it. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
I could see the bird the path of birds flying
just before they would fly, so I could trace out
where the birds would go before the bird would actually fly.
There I was there, man, I was on one. So
I thought, this is my chance to talk to an alien.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
I'm going to go up.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
Over onto this little grassy hill and meditate, and I
want to talk to an alien. Well, here's the thing
I should have specified. You need to be very specific
in the psychic realms. I should have specified I'd like
to talk to a nice alien, because the alien that
showed up was a real jerk.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
And I don't mean just like a funny jerk, I
mean like a mean jerk. First thing he beams to
me is why do.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
You want to be good? The earth isn't for being good?
Like having this added towards towards good.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
That's like, ugh, you want to be good a little
goodie two shoes, you know. And I'll sort of give
some depth here to uh what happened because I found
out what was going on with this entity, this negative entity,
uh later on. So this this dark entity had attached

(01:55:28):
itself to my genetic line a long, long time ago.
And this is also something I wanted to bring up
to your question, Chris. Whether people know it or not,
we have positive and negative attachments right now. We have
negative spirit attachments who come in through the alcohol. It's

(01:55:51):
when people get super super wasted and they start doing
horrible things that they can't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
I hate to break it to you, but that is
a negative attachment that is using the alcohol as a
way to come through and take over a person. When
we have those sort of internal back and forths like
oh am I going to be nice to this person.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
Or do I want to be a real jerk?

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
When you get that notion like hey, I'm going to
be a real jerk, being a real jerk for the
sake of being a real jerk, many times, that is
a negative attachment that is working through us, that is
getting a feedback and energetic feedback from those negative decisions
that we are making, so we can become a host
to non physical parasitic energies through the way that we

(01:56:41):
conduct our energetic life and through the way that we live.
And if only people knew, we have a whole litany
of ancestor spirits who are looking out for us, who
are watching our back. And then on the other side,
we have spirits who are whispering in our hoping we
make bad decisions, hoping that we feed bad energetic cycles

(01:57:04):
because they get a little cut of that off of
the top. That is the sort of stereotypical angel and
demon on our shoulder. This is the real version of
that angel and demon on our shoulder. That's another part
of these experiences is that you start to pick up on, oh,
this is the real version of that spiritual concept that

(01:57:28):
has been watered down and passed through many hands here
in the physical world, such as that example of the
angel and the demon on our shoulder. So anyway, talking
about this negative force that I exchanged with, I later
on found out it hit attached to my genetic line

(01:57:50):
a long long time ago, and this force was posing
as an alien to come in because I had said
I want to talk to an alien. So this force
took that as an opportunity of like, oh, I just
got permission, I'm coming in. And what happened is this

(01:58:14):
force started to try to take over my body. This
force told me things like, you know, when it started
saying that whole thing like Earth isn't for being good.
I responded, I thought, well, you telling me Earth is hell?

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
Is this like hell?

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:58:38):
No, this isn't hell. My job is hell. What I
have to do as hell? This is this entity told me.
The entity said, I have to keep the vibration low
on this planet.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
That's hell. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (01:58:54):
Us aliens, we've been dealing with humans a long time.
We show up in a spacecraft and it showed me
a vi of like the saucers showing up and the
beam coming down, and in that vision it was our
hominid ancestors, like we're very hairy, and it did not
look like our modern day Homo sapiens. And I suddenly

(01:59:18):
got freaked. You know, I was like this, this thing
is not nice. So I tried to physically run away,
but this thing had already attached itself to me. I
could not physically run away. It was in my energy sphere.
It started asking me who is your master? Who is
your master? And I was like, I don't have a master.

(01:59:38):
You're not my master. Do you have a master? And
this really pissed this thing off, because this thing did
have a master that ordered it around and told it
what to do. And so it was like, who is
your master? Who is your master? And it kept repeating
who is your master? As it then proceeded to psychically
torture me, put me through the ring. And fortunately, if

(02:00:01):
you find yourself in a situation where you're being psychically tortured,
from my experience, it did not hurt. You feel the
uncomfortable physical experiences of your limbs being torn and your
guts pouring out and all that horrible, grizzly stuff. It's
like you have an energy body out there that feels

(02:00:23):
just like your body here, and it's the same shape.
But fortunately you don't feel any of the pain of it.
And after long enough of going through all that different
horrible stuff, I could tell what this thing was doing
is it would put me through this series of horribleness
and get the energy it could get from me that way.

(02:00:45):
Then it would switch gears, and then it would try
this route of getting energy for me. People could equate
this to a traumatic experience where first you feel grief
and then you feel angry, and then you go through
self destruction and then you want to do this set
of horrible things. Then you want to rationalize while you

(02:01:06):
do this set of horrible things.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
This was happening.

Speaker 4 (02:01:10):
That intangible energetic process was now very tangible and very
out in the open and up front here in the
physical world. As I was going through this, I started
yelling and screaming in a foreign language that the people
in the room with me did not understand. This was

(02:01:31):
an ancient spirit of some sort. This was an actual
possession attempt like you see happen in the movies. I
had opened myself up. I did not know what I
was doing, and this thing was trying to take the wheel.
So it the way that this resolved itself is it

(02:01:53):
got to the point where it had turned into conscious pilot.
This thing shape shift into a Roman soldier. It turned
me into an archetype of like the Christ and was
doing some ancient like screwed up ritual of like a
way that it was like an ancient way of torturing

(02:02:15):
humans to like get a special type of energy. This
being was recreating that horrible ritual to me to get
yet another bit of energy from me. And you know,
after a while, you just get sick of it, and
it doesn't You're not giving them the energy that they
want anymore, you know, they want that big rush of

(02:02:39):
the excitement and the fear and everything. After a while,
you're like, are you done yet? You know, can we
get this over with? I'm sick of all this crap,
you know. And that's what started happening, and I was like,
you know, this is this is a sad state of
existence for you. I'm sorry that this is like your
job and that you have to live in this hell
and this is how you have to sustain your by

(02:03:00):
like taking advantage of ignorant beings and then sucking up
all of their spiritual essences through all of these like
negative tactics that you employ. I feel bad for you.
I hope that somehow, like you see through all this
and that you grow and evolve into an existence where

(02:03:24):
you don't have to live this way and you don't
have to do this anymore, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:28):
So it went from.

Speaker 4 (02:03:29):
Me feeding the fear to me being like, you know
what I feel bad for you. This is like, this
is a sorry state of affairs. And then the thing
was done with me. It didn't have anything to do
with me any longer because I was not feeding it.
It's desired resource of the fear and anxiety and oh,

(02:03:50):
you're so horrible, and this is Oh my god, they
love that, you know. That's like a pack of wolves
who've got their prey and blood has been spilt and
now they are feasting. It's an energy feast. And then
when you start to not feed that energy anymore and
actually you go to a place of empathy and love
and a bigger perspective, then these things they don't want

(02:04:15):
to have anything to.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
Do with you.

Speaker 4 (02:04:17):
So he was like ah, he was like grossed out
by Like my response was like okay, I'm not this
is this isn't doing it for me anymore, and threw
me away and through me. In this vision, I was
thrown down stairs on a pyramid. This is how like

(02:04:37):
exotic the psychic realms can get to recreate this special
form of psychic torture. This being had even recreated like
an old school pyramid setting, because that's where these rituals
used to take place. Is at the top of these pyramids.
He throws me down the steps of the pyramid. I'm

(02:04:58):
in several body parts by this time, and I feel
my head rolling over here, my arm's going that way,
my guts are all over the place and everything, and
then it all comes together. I'll never forget just seeing
all of that gruesomeness like swirl and twist and rebuild itself.

(02:05:19):
I'm talking about, like, you know, eight K graphics can't
even come close to what I'm talking about right now.
It was ridiculous seeing the muscle fibers reform, seeing the
skin come back, the whole body rebuilds itself, and I
came back as a horse, you know, And it was surprising.
But this is actual a spiritual archetype for shamanic tribes

(02:05:46):
and tribes who deal with these realms. You can even
see it in some Alex Gray paintings of the body
coming apart and then coming back together again. I did
not know this at the time, but that is a
sort of spiritual gateway that a shaman in training or

(02:06:07):
a practitioner, a spiritual person in training goes through that
gate as part of our growth and development. Down at
the bottom of the pyramid was a solid, gold energetic
being who was a very friendly, nice type of being.
I could pick up on that that golden being was

(02:06:27):
sort of like at the boundary zone of this experience
and trying to see if I could take care of
this situation myself or not.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
So I had the training wheels on.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
I did have a presence there who was ready to
jump in and help me, but was letting me go
through this to see if I could discover the wherewithal
within to take care of the situation myself.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
So when I met.

Speaker 4 (02:06:56):
Him at the bottom of the stairs, he beamed back
and forth. We beamed real quick. You just faced your
greatest fear. You faced a very strong, energetic adversary who
was trying to take a advantage of you. You got
to a place of empathy and love. That is what

(02:07:17):
this is all about. That is what you're supposed to learn. Now,
those forces they can't play around with you anymore because
you know the game, you know what they're trying to do,
and you were able to take your self control.

Speaker 2 (02:07:31):
You are now free.

Speaker 4 (02:07:33):
He spanked my horse but and told me you are free,
you know, told me. Gave me that exchange of what
I just had been through what I had just achieved
and gave me essentially the intention of like and do
it again when you need to. This is something that
you need to have up your sleeve in case you

(02:07:54):
face one of these bad you know, these darker spirits
that just wants to use you for line. So that
was an incredible experience and I learned so much from it.

Speaker 2 (02:08:11):
But it can go bad.

Speaker 4 (02:08:13):
It can't get to the point where that entity does
take over a person and now the actual consciousness of
that body is like locked in limbo.

Speaker 2 (02:08:24):
We've seen that kind.

Speaker 4 (02:08:25):
Of idea in movies and TV shows I'm thinking of
like Twin Peaks or Get Out, and I actually experienced
that firsthand. So yes, possession can happen, and psychic entanglements

(02:08:45):
can happen, and you've got to energetically stand up for
yourself and defend yourself at times.

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
And the best part for me in I believe the
entire purpose of experiencing what these psychic elks and plant
medicines and substances have to offer us is we carry
the lessons into the material realm, into our lives. They
make our lives better and rich our relationships, help us

(02:09:12):
heal childhood trauma help us integrate things and really move
into the best of what we can possibly be in
our lives.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
Would you agree.

Speaker 4 (02:09:26):
Absolutely everything that you said. And I also feel that
it's it's preparation for the afterlife. You are getting your
toes in the energetic waters so that you know what's
from what.

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
When you get out there, you have a you.

Speaker 4 (02:09:46):
Have somewhat of a baseline of experience as opposed to
nothing at all, or opposed to like an empire dogma
that's telling you, Okay, this is who you pray, this
is who you worship, this is who this is the
vacuum cleaner. You essentially go into it death and do

(02:10:08):
everything you can to make sure that you sell your
soul to this group or to that group or to
that group. So all of the above, man, it enriches
our life here, It enriches our life out there. It
brings greater connection to the wholeness of our self and

(02:10:28):
our reality. And you know, a lot of people will
hear that whole negative experience and say, oh, no, no, no.
Sometimes you know, and we experience this through life too.
Sometimes you learn the most through negative experiences. You learn
things that you don't learn when it's sugarcoated. You got

(02:10:49):
to dig deep and you got to turn things around
to make it work. Sometimes those are the necessary lessons
in life.

Speaker 1 (02:10:57):
One hundred percent. Last few minutes, let talk about this
connection to the spirit realm, to the afterlife. Every time
I have these experiences, I feel like I'm home and
I'd never want to leave. And towards the end of
the experience, I start to get a little sad because
I know I'm going to be leaving this place that

(02:11:17):
feels so much like home to me, and I have
all my ancestors there, I can feel my past loved ones.
It feels like this is a direct connection to what's
to come, Like you were saying, it's a preparation for that.

Speaker 4 (02:11:35):
Yes, I completely agree. Once again, I've experienced the exact
same thing that you're talking about. What we are experiencing
is the interconnected nature of consciousness. When you zoom out
far enough out there to the multiverse of universes, all
of existence is one unified consciousness. It doesn't work any

(02:12:01):
other way. You're either existing existence or you're not. And
if you're existing in existence, then you are in that
unified consciousness field. It's sort of the way that it works.
We're just a you could think of I call you know, source.
I like the word source better than God. God has

(02:12:23):
a lot of religious ideology baggage to it, and that
the word actually means to invoke, and the true presence
of the creator of universes does not need to be invoked,
is ever present all the time, is everything, is you,
is me, is the atoms, the whole universe, all of it.

(02:12:44):
So we have source. Then we have like the first
copies of Source, which you could think of as sources children,
the first generation of the copies of Source. They're out
there in the multiverse. That's us. We're out there. The
bigger portion of us is out there, our consciousness, and

(02:13:07):
they're creating new universes for us. They're creating new experiences.
They're trying this mix of these star systems and this
star systems. Other universes. They don't use star systems. They
use a completely different type of fractal structure and arrangement.
I'm sure if we could just freely go through all
the universes, we would see that there's similarities to the structure,

(02:13:30):
and then there's also fundamental differences to them, which makes
each one unique unto themselves. So there's that layer out there.
Then you get into the universe, and then there's our
highest representation of consciousness here in this universe. Some people
say it's the twelfth or the thirteenth or the twenty

(02:13:52):
fifth dimension, you know, whatever number you want to call it.
I would refer to it as the first step down.
So there's that layer of us at the top of
or at the highest frequency energetically speaking of this universe,
and they're in direct communication with our highest Self, who's

(02:14:13):
outside of the universe, who is in direct connection with Source.
So we all have that sort of like chain that
goes from here who we are, to these ancestors, to
these spiritual friends and family from long before, to the
whole lineage of all of our reincarnations that we've had

(02:14:36):
here and elsewhere. That all starts to come back to you,
because that is just as we have our memory of
the body, the spirit has the memory of the spirit body,
and then that reaches a point of sort of like
maximum consciousness mass, and then that goes up. We could

(02:14:59):
think of it as like moving through like levels of oils,
and each oil has a different viscosity, and as like
the consciousness mass, like lightens or becomes more. This consciousness
mass goes through the different layers of oil and then

(02:15:19):
returns to Oh, there's that part of myself returning back
to me now and out there, time is not operating linearly.
I've experienced most of the times I've been expected. They
knew I was coming, and I thought, well, how the
heck would you know that? And it's like, well, we don't.

(02:15:41):
We know what's coming. We know where the passes, and
we know where the future is. You know, time is
not linear out here, So yeah, of course you were coming.
You were You've been on your way to show up.

Speaker 2 (02:15:50):
Here this whole time. How could we not be expecting you.

Speaker 4 (02:15:55):
It's a funny feeling, but that's that's like how it
is out there. So when the time is right, this
portion of our consciousness will return to a higher portion
of consciousness, will live through what we're supposed to live
through at that level, and then we'll reach another layer
of evolution. This thing existence has been designed, so this

(02:16:17):
is never ending. We're going to reach another evolutionary plateau,
and then we're going to go through another like universe,
and all of the experiences of that universe reach another
spiritual plateau, go through another universe, reach another spiritual plateau,
and the whole time that we're doing that, there's our
higher selves out there creating new universes.

Speaker 2 (02:16:42):
So yes, this is the way that.

Speaker 4 (02:16:45):
Source consciousness is staying content, stays entertained, you know, keeps
things interesting, keeps things new, constant development. If you just
were always source, you were always just eternal wholeness of
you know, being able to do everything and anything.

Speaker 2 (02:17:06):
What fun isn't is that?

Speaker 4 (02:17:08):
So you want to go and experience limitations for a
while so that when you return back to being source again,
it's brand new. Every moment of existence it's like, oh wow,
I achieved it again.

Speaker 2 (02:17:24):
And then it dips.

Speaker 4 (02:17:25):
That persona dips away, and then the next persona comes
back and it's like, oh, I'm back again, I'm at
the top of the mountain.

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
I'm Source. I was sourced the whole time.

Speaker 4 (02:17:34):
That's gonna happen to literally everybody. And that way Source
is always like oh wow, this is so great, like
all the time, and it's always new and it's always
just been discovered, right, So it's that constant, eternal bliss
that's like this is like these are the inner workings
of the rest of reality that makes that constant bliss

(02:17:56):
possible and always new and always interesting and always fulfilling feeling.
And so the wheels just keep a turning baby in
the around and around they go.

Speaker 1 (02:18:10):
I love it, man, this was great, fantastic information. Thank
you so much, Matt for being a part of this
coming on today. Before you take off, let the audience
know where to find everything you got going on.

Speaker 4 (02:18:25):
Yeah man, I have a YouTube channel, Sophia Zozo. I
do a podcast with my good friend John. We call
it Babylon Burning, So go ahead and check out the
Babylon Burning Podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:18:42):
I've also got a couple of books.

Speaker 4 (02:18:44):
God Is a Hologram is my sci fi thriller, and
then I've got my nonfiction book Unseen Dimensions, Journals of
an Interdimensional Traveler. That's where I tell I think I've
got all of my pertinent out of body experiences written
in that book, as well as just some sort of

(02:19:06):
like philosophical musings on the state of our reality and
the future to come. People can also email me at
Sophia Zozo at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (02:19:19):
I'm happy to just like.

Speaker 4 (02:19:20):
Talk to people about this cool stuff and yeah, man,
thanks again Chris for having me on.

Speaker 1 (02:19:26):
Thank you so much man. We'll do it again and
until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll talk
again tomorrow. We'll see yell then

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